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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:39,213 --> 00:00:40,823 They told me that we were flying 2 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:44,305 to Jeffrey's island in the Caribbean. 3 00:00:44,348 --> 00:00:46,959 I definitely had to do some self-talk that... 4 00:00:47,003 --> 00:00:49,484 what if he tries to hurt me? 5 00:00:49,527 --> 00:00:51,747 I thought, "Well, this time, I'll be better prepared, 6 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:53,923 and I'll be able to say no." 7 00:00:53,966 --> 00:00:55,881 You know, I had this blind hope 8 00:00:55,925 --> 00:00:57,231 that he just wouldn't do it again, 9 00:00:57,274 --> 00:00:59,450 that he wouldn't hurt me. 10 00:00:59,494 --> 00:01:01,757 Individuals who've been sexually abused 11 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,542 as a child, of course you'd expect them to go back. 12 00:01:04,586 --> 00:01:07,197 They were called over for a massage. 13 00:01:07,241 --> 00:01:10,200 It became a sexual assault. 14 00:01:10,244 --> 00:01:12,637 You know, what else is new? This is what men do. 15 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:33,093 It was gorgeous. 16 00:01:33,136 --> 00:01:34,920 I mean, it was stunning, you know, 17 00:01:34,964 --> 00:01:36,922 overlooking the Caribbean sea. 18 00:01:38,968 --> 00:01:42,493 I felt like I was in a dream. 19 00:01:42,537 --> 00:01:46,628 That night, myself, Ghislaine, Jeffrey, Sarah Kellen, 20 00:01:46,671 --> 00:01:51,154 we all sat around this beautiful table outside, 21 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:54,766 and the chef made this delicious dinner for us. 22 00:01:58,248 --> 00:02:01,469 After dinner, I went back into my villa 23 00:02:01,512 --> 00:02:03,471 reveling in the fact that 24 00:02:03,514 --> 00:02:04,994 my bed had been turned down for me, 25 00:02:05,037 --> 00:02:06,561 and the candles were lit, and, like, 26 00:02:06,604 --> 00:02:09,825 there was a book on my nightstand, 27 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:12,654 mosquito net drawn around my bed. 28 00:02:12,697 --> 00:02:14,960 I had never been taken care of as a kid. 29 00:02:15,004 --> 00:02:16,788 Like, I never had, you know, 30 00:02:16,832 --> 00:02:18,703 a mom that did any of those things for me, 31 00:02:18,747 --> 00:02:24,056 so what was exciting me was the care involved. 32 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:27,321 I just remember feeling like a princess. 33 00:02:27,364 --> 00:02:29,801 It was like a fantasy land, almost. 34 00:02:32,282 --> 00:02:35,546 In 1998, Jeffrey Epstein bought his own private island 35 00:02:35,590 --> 00:02:38,114 in the Caribbean in the U.S. Virgin Islands. 36 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:40,551 It was known as Little St. James, 37 00:02:40,595 --> 00:02:43,511 but he liked to call it Little St. Jeff's. 38 00:02:43,554 --> 00:02:45,339 There was a swimming pool. 39 00:02:45,382 --> 00:02:46,427 There was sort of an area for his private chef 40 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:48,037 to prepare meals. 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,953 There was a screening room, a library. 42 00:02:50,996 --> 00:02:52,694 He also had this kind of weird 43 00:02:52,737 --> 00:02:56,654 temple building with a gold roof. 44 00:02:56,698 --> 00:02:59,179 He used to patrol around in an ATV, 45 00:02:59,222 --> 00:03:03,270 and girls were asked to either wear no clothes or go topless. 46 00:03:03,313 --> 00:03:06,011 I mean, he literally shaped the island to his whims. 47 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:10,407 He could sort of indulge himself 48 00:03:10,451 --> 00:03:12,017 in his own universe, 49 00:03:12,061 --> 00:03:15,325 away from the watchful eyes of anyone. 50 00:03:15,369 --> 00:03:17,458 It's also where some of the most disturbing allegations 51 00:03:17,501 --> 00:03:20,461 of abuse have surfaced. 52 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:23,855 I think the darker part of what he liked 53 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:25,901 and his friends liked was 54 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:29,034 taking shape at that point. 55 00:03:29,078 --> 00:03:30,732 It was a place for him to get away 56 00:03:30,775 --> 00:03:32,821 with whatever he wanted to get away with. 57 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:36,259 Anything and everything did happen on the island. 58 00:03:41,177 --> 00:03:42,961 That night in my villa, 59 00:03:43,005 --> 00:03:45,964 I laid down on the bed and started reading. 60 00:03:46,008 --> 00:03:49,098 Before long, a little knock came at my door. 61 00:03:49,141 --> 00:03:51,970 Sarah Kellen popped her head in 62 00:03:52,014 --> 00:03:55,235 and said that Jeffrey's ready for his massage now. 63 00:03:55,278 --> 00:03:58,673 Immediately, I was sick to my stomach. 64 00:03:58,716 --> 00:04:00,936 This just did not feel right. It was the middle of the night. 65 00:04:00,979 --> 00:04:02,633 I thought we were all going to bed, 66 00:04:02,677 --> 00:04:03,982 but, again, like, you know, what was I gonna say? 67 00:04:04,026 --> 00:04:05,723 No? 68 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:08,073 I was there to be hired, I thought, as their masseuse, 69 00:04:08,117 --> 00:04:09,945 so I couldn't say, "No, I'm not gonna go massage him." 70 00:04:12,426 --> 00:04:15,124 So she led me to Jeffrey and Ghislaine's villa. 71 00:04:16,821 --> 00:04:20,303 The massage table was set up already. 72 00:04:20,347 --> 00:04:21,522 You could hear the waves crashing 73 00:04:21,565 --> 00:04:23,437 against the rocks outside. 74 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:26,962 I kept thinking, like, you know, 75 00:04:27,005 --> 00:04:28,485 because this is a room that he's sharing 76 00:04:28,529 --> 00:04:30,182 with Ghislaine, maybe she's close by. 77 00:04:30,226 --> 00:04:31,880 Maybe she'll come in. Maybe she... you know. 78 00:04:31,923 --> 00:04:33,403 Maybe he won't do anything 79 00:04:33,447 --> 00:04:36,145 because, you know, she's right there. 80 00:04:36,188 --> 00:04:37,842 You know, I genuinely thought 81 00:04:37,886 --> 00:04:39,801 that she really did care about me. 82 00:04:42,194 --> 00:04:45,502 And so he comes in, throws off his robe, 83 00:04:45,546 --> 00:04:48,244 gets on the table, and, you know, 84 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:51,334 looked very smug and happy. 85 00:04:51,378 --> 00:04:53,380 I didn't get very far into the massage 86 00:04:53,423 --> 00:04:57,906 before he grabbed my wrists and tugged me towards the bed 87 00:04:57,949 --> 00:05:00,822 and pulled me on top of him. 88 00:05:00,865 --> 00:05:04,913 I wanted to scream out for someone to, 89 00:05:04,956 --> 00:05:06,610 you know, come help me. 90 00:05:06,654 --> 00:05:08,743 There was people just on the other side of the door... 91 00:05:08,786 --> 00:05:10,658 like, women just on the other side of the door. 92 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:14,183 I couldn't find my words. 93 00:05:14,226 --> 00:05:15,706 I just remember saying, "Please, no." 94 00:05:17,795 --> 00:05:19,623 And I realized very quickly 95 00:05:19,667 --> 00:05:22,147 that the more I kept trying to resist, 96 00:05:22,191 --> 00:05:24,759 the more fun he was having. 97 00:05:24,802 --> 00:05:29,851 You know, he proceeded to force himself on me, 98 00:05:29,894 --> 00:05:32,157 and I just waited for it to be over. 99 00:05:36,205 --> 00:05:38,512 You know, it was over very quickly, 100 00:05:38,555 --> 00:05:42,254 and he jumped up and got to the shower, 101 00:05:42,298 --> 00:05:46,302 and I threw my shorts back on and ran out of the room 102 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,826 without my shoes and ran all the way back on the rocks 103 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:50,741 towards my villa. 104 00:05:50,785 --> 00:05:52,352 My feet were bleeding by the time I got back 105 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:54,789 to that villa, and I was crying, 106 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:57,400 and I just basically, like, just got into bed 107 00:05:57,444 --> 00:05:58,706 and cried myself to sleep. 108 00:06:00,751 --> 00:06:04,146 And I genuinely felt very isolated. 109 00:06:04,189 --> 00:06:08,324 I really felt like this was all only happening to me, 110 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:13,024 and, for whatever reason, this was my problem. 111 00:06:16,854 --> 00:06:18,552 There wasn't even a thought going through my head 112 00:06:18,595 --> 00:06:20,075 that I was going to say something. 113 00:06:20,118 --> 00:06:21,555 There was no way. 114 00:06:24,122 --> 00:06:26,037 Sorry. 115 00:06:43,838 --> 00:06:45,274 Yeah, no, there was no way 116 00:06:45,317 --> 00:06:47,319 I was gonna say anything, you know? 117 00:06:47,363 --> 00:06:49,409 Just, like, what was I gonna say? 118 00:07:10,386 --> 00:07:12,693 Being on Jeffrey's island 119 00:07:12,736 --> 00:07:17,132 was like being on a deserted island. 120 00:07:17,175 --> 00:07:19,787 Jeffrey knew that he wasn't gonna get caught, 121 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:23,443 and so a lot more abuse happened at the Virgin Islands 122 00:07:23,486 --> 00:07:26,184 because of the isolation. 123 00:07:26,228 --> 00:07:29,492 Jeffrey had the ability to bring in young girls 124 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:31,973 to that private island under the radar 125 00:07:32,016 --> 00:07:34,018 and abuse them there without many people 126 00:07:34,062 --> 00:07:35,455 knowing about it. 127 00:07:35,498 --> 00:07:37,195 That was where a lot of the abuse 128 00:07:37,239 --> 00:07:41,983 of young, foreign girls transpired, unfortunately. 129 00:07:42,026 --> 00:07:45,203 This was really where some of the most shocking 130 00:07:45,247 --> 00:07:47,162 and disturbing parts 131 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:49,120 of his sex trafficking operation took place. 132 00:07:49,164 --> 00:07:52,080 It was really global in scale. 133 00:07:52,123 --> 00:07:55,387 Epstein's aircraft, known as "The Lolita Express" 134 00:07:55,431 --> 00:07:59,217 allowed him to carry on his sex trafficking operation 135 00:07:59,261 --> 00:08:01,785 outside of the view of the authorities. 136 00:08:01,829 --> 00:08:04,832 - Do you know a man named - Jean-Luc Brunel? 137 00:08:07,008 --> 00:08:08,705 Can you spell it? 138 00:08:08,749 --> 00:08:10,838 He was at your house last week. 139 00:08:10,881 --> 00:08:12,796 What's the purpose for you asking me to spell his name? 140 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Are you acting like you don't know him? 141 00:08:15,364 --> 00:08:19,281 Form, move to strike... argumentative. 142 00:08:19,324 --> 00:08:21,849 Jean-Luc Brunel was a very prominent figure 143 00:08:21,892 --> 00:08:24,155 in the modeling scene. 144 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,072 He traveled the world looking for young women to recruit. 145 00:08:28,116 --> 00:08:30,205 Jeffrey had the type of relationship with him 146 00:08:30,248 --> 00:08:34,035 that Jean-Luc was feeding him women. 147 00:08:34,078 --> 00:08:36,080 It's this match made in heaven. 148 00:08:36,124 --> 00:08:38,213 It's Jeffrey Epstein constantly looking 149 00:08:38,256 --> 00:08:40,781 for young, beautiful women, 150 00:08:40,824 --> 00:08:43,218 and Jean-Luc Brunel having young, beautiful women 151 00:08:43,261 --> 00:08:45,873 at his fingertips. 152 00:08:45,916 --> 00:08:47,527 I'm sure it was pretty hush, hush 153 00:08:47,570 --> 00:08:49,398 that he brought in loads 154 00:08:49,441 --> 00:08:52,793 of Eastern European fashion models. 155 00:08:52,836 --> 00:08:56,884 They wanted a visa to live in the country and work. 156 00:08:56,927 --> 00:09:01,236 Jean-Luc Brunel's girls are very vulnerable girls. 157 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:02,890 They can't speak a word of English. 158 00:09:02,933 --> 00:09:04,761 They think they're getting a modeling job, 159 00:09:04,805 --> 00:09:08,635 and instead, they're getting abused. 160 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:10,811 And you can see the fear in some of these girls' eyes. 161 00:09:10,854 --> 00:09:14,162 You can feel it. 162 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:16,033 Some of Epstein's victims have talked about 163 00:09:16,077 --> 00:09:17,731 having their passports confiscated 164 00:09:17,774 --> 00:09:19,646 when they've been to the island, 165 00:09:19,689 --> 00:09:22,257 and orgies taking place there with Eastern European women, 166 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:25,129 which Epstein directs. 167 00:09:25,173 --> 00:09:28,655 I asked him how am I supposed to participate, 168 00:09:28,698 --> 00:09:31,135 you know, in sexual acts if they don't speak English? 169 00:09:31,179 --> 00:09:33,137 And he said, "Use hand gestures," 170 00:09:33,181 --> 00:09:35,357 and, you know, like, he goes, "And it's much easier. 171 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,489 "It's better that they don't speak English. 172 00:09:37,533 --> 00:09:38,752 Then we don't have to listen to them talk." 173 00:09:41,972 --> 00:09:45,933 The island was my jail. 174 00:09:45,976 --> 00:09:49,414 You literally are stuck with adults 175 00:09:49,458 --> 00:09:50,981 who don't care about you, 176 00:09:51,025 --> 00:09:53,593 adults that are there to purely use you 177 00:09:53,636 --> 00:09:55,856 for their sexual advantages. 178 00:09:55,899 --> 00:09:59,337 I never got to say no. 179 00:09:59,381 --> 00:10:02,689 And I had these two people making my life choices for me 180 00:10:02,732 --> 00:10:06,431 every minute of every day that I was with them. 181 00:10:06,475 --> 00:10:08,259 It's like this really effed up family 182 00:10:08,303 --> 00:10:10,435 where one minute we're watching "Sex and the City," 183 00:10:10,479 --> 00:10:12,916 and the next minute, Ghislaine tells us 184 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,483 to strip down and start, you know, 185 00:10:14,526 --> 00:10:16,180 performing sexual acts on Jeffrey Epstein 186 00:10:16,224 --> 00:10:18,748 or her or both. 187 00:10:18,792 --> 00:10:22,273 She was just as exhausting as he was. 188 00:10:25,581 --> 00:10:27,801 Eventually, Epstein and Maxwell 189 00:10:27,844 --> 00:10:29,759 started sending me to people, 190 00:10:29,803 --> 00:10:32,501 started literally trafficking me. 191 00:10:32,544 --> 00:10:34,546 And there was times that he'd send me on, like, 192 00:10:34,590 --> 00:10:37,114 a commercial flight to go meet the people 193 00:10:37,158 --> 00:10:38,594 I'm being trafficked to, saying, 194 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:39,943 "I want you to take care of them 195 00:10:39,987 --> 00:10:42,816 "and report back to me what they liked, 196 00:10:42,859 --> 00:10:44,600 what you did for them." 197 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,210 The person I was trafficked to 198 00:10:46,254 --> 00:10:47,647 would either, you know, say that, you know, 199 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:49,257 they were happy with the experience, 200 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:50,954 and then I would get, like, a pat on the back 201 00:10:50,998 --> 00:10:54,001 from Ghislaine or from Epstein. 202 00:10:54,044 --> 00:10:56,003 You know, like, with Prince Andrew. 203 00:10:56,046 --> 00:10:59,920 I'm happy to talk about him because he abused me. 204 00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:03,358 He participated in a sex trafficking operation 205 00:11:03,401 --> 00:11:06,448 with one of the most prolific sex trafficking operators 206 00:11:06,491 --> 00:11:08,145 in the world of modern time. 207 00:11:59,936 --> 00:12:01,285 Prince Andrew's not the prince 208 00:12:01,329 --> 00:12:03,200 from the fairy tale stories you read. 209 00:12:05,594 --> 00:12:08,075 Andrew deserves to be outed. 210 00:12:08,118 --> 00:12:11,034 He deserves to be held accountable. 211 00:12:11,078 --> 00:12:14,472 He's an abuser. 212 00:12:14,516 --> 00:12:16,344 The connection between Prince Andrew 213 00:12:16,387 --> 00:12:18,259 and Jeffrey Epstein is Ghislaine Maxwell. 214 00:12:18,302 --> 00:12:20,435 Ghislaine and Prince Andrew had known each other 215 00:12:20,478 --> 00:12:23,220 for many years. 216 00:12:23,264 --> 00:12:24,569 I remember one day, 217 00:12:24,613 --> 00:12:25,832 I was walking up Madison Avenue, 218 00:12:25,875 --> 00:12:28,008 and I ran into Ghislaine Maxwell 219 00:12:28,051 --> 00:12:29,923 who was with Prince Andrew, 220 00:12:29,966 --> 00:12:32,403 and she introduced me to him. 221 00:12:32,447 --> 00:12:36,538 He told me that he was staying at Jeffrey's townhouse. 222 00:12:36,581 --> 00:12:38,496 That kind of fascinated me. 223 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:42,152 I mean, it just seemed like a kind of perfect instance 224 00:12:42,196 --> 00:12:45,634 of the kind of people that Jeffrey 225 00:12:45,677 --> 00:12:47,854 was hanging out with. 226 00:12:47,897 --> 00:12:51,248 Jeffrey definitely enjoyed 227 00:12:51,292 --> 00:12:54,077 the idea of being friends 228 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:56,645 with the queen's son, 229 00:12:56,688 --> 00:13:00,867 and Prince Andrew just gone through a divorce, 230 00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:03,391 has this American, you know, billionaire 231 00:13:03,434 --> 00:13:05,567 that wants to, like, fly him around the world 232 00:13:05,610 --> 00:13:08,352 and introduce him to people, 233 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:11,268 and it was probably an escapism really for him. 234 00:13:15,055 --> 00:13:17,753 The most explosive claims about Prince Andrew 235 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:20,016 were made by Virginia Roberts Giuffre... 236 00:13:20,060 --> 00:13:21,496 that she was, you know, 237 00:13:21,539 --> 00:13:24,499 loaned out to Andrew for sex three times. 238 00:13:24,542 --> 00:13:27,197 The first time, Epstein flew her to London 239 00:13:27,241 --> 00:13:29,591 where they went out dancing at a nightclub called Tramp 240 00:13:29,634 --> 00:13:31,245 with Prince Andrew. 241 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:33,334 They went back to Ghislaine Maxwell's house 242 00:13:33,377 --> 00:13:35,858 in London, and there she was essentially 243 00:13:35,902 --> 00:13:38,382 given to Andrew, and they had sex. 244 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:41,821 Before he abused me, when we just met, you know, 245 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,344 Ghislaine does this guessing game. 246 00:13:43,387 --> 00:13:45,041 He guessed right. 247 00:13:45,085 --> 00:13:48,001 I was 17, and he compared me to his daughter, saying, 248 00:13:48,044 --> 00:13:49,698 "Oh, my daughters are a few years younger than you." 249 00:13:51,482 --> 00:13:53,006 The next encounter 250 00:13:53,049 --> 00:13:54,529 supposedly happened a few months later 251 00:13:54,572 --> 00:13:56,357 at Epstein's mansion in New York, 252 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,924 and then there was a third time, 253 00:13:57,967 --> 00:13:59,751 Virginia said, on Epstein's island 254 00:13:59,795 --> 00:14:03,581 in the Caribbean where, again, she and Andrew had sex. 255 00:14:03,625 --> 00:14:08,064 The duke has strongly and repeatedly denied this. 256 00:14:08,108 --> 00:14:11,459 I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady. 257 00:14:11,502 --> 00:14:13,113 It didn't happen. 258 00:14:13,156 --> 00:14:15,767 She said she had sex with you three times. 259 00:14:18,161 --> 00:14:19,510 No. 260 00:14:21,121 --> 00:14:23,471 - No to all of it? - All of it. 261 00:14:23,514 --> 00:14:26,039 Absolutely no to all of it. 262 00:14:27,736 --> 00:14:29,564 What makes it difficult for Andrew 263 00:14:29,607 --> 00:14:32,262 is that there's a photograph of him and Virginia. 264 00:14:32,306 --> 00:14:34,351 She was 17 years old at the time, 265 00:14:34,395 --> 00:14:36,527 and they're in Ghislaine's house. 266 00:14:36,571 --> 00:14:39,443 Andrew's standing there grinning like a Cheshire Cat 267 00:14:39,487 --> 00:14:41,489 with his arm around Virginia Roberts, 268 00:14:41,532 --> 00:14:43,273 and Ghislaine stands in the background 269 00:14:43,317 --> 00:14:44,971 like this kind of puppet master figure 270 00:14:45,014 --> 00:14:46,711 sort of grinning broadly. 271 00:14:49,062 --> 00:14:51,194 I never met Prince Andrew through Jeffrey, 272 00:14:51,238 --> 00:14:54,719 but I had a few friends that did. 273 00:14:54,763 --> 00:14:56,983 Most of the girls didn't speak about 274 00:14:57,026 --> 00:14:58,898 what happened with Prince Andrew, 275 00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:00,812 but I had one very good friend that confided in me 276 00:15:00,856 --> 00:15:04,164 about her experience with him. 277 00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:08,255 She told me that Jeffrey 278 00:15:08,298 --> 00:15:11,432 kind of instructed her to go into a room 279 00:15:11,475 --> 00:15:15,523 and to have sex with Prince Andrew. 280 00:15:15,566 --> 00:15:19,614 She told me Jeffrey's not really who he says he is. 281 00:15:19,657 --> 00:15:21,616 I asked him about it. 282 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:23,139 He didn't wanna talk about it a lot 283 00:15:23,183 --> 00:15:25,881 because it was a very important person 284 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:28,579 that it happened with, but he just mentioned 285 00:15:28,623 --> 00:15:32,409 that he needs to have something on people. 286 00:15:34,542 --> 00:15:37,675 Once he gets somebody to accept having sex 287 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:40,548 with an underage kid, it gives him some power 288 00:15:40,591 --> 00:15:44,334 over the individual when the individual accepts. 289 00:15:44,378 --> 00:15:46,293 - The stories - I kept on hearing 290 00:15:46,336 --> 00:15:49,122 were that in every guest bedroom 291 00:15:49,165 --> 00:15:52,864 in Jeffrey Epstein's house, there were hidden cameras, 292 00:15:52,908 --> 00:15:56,738 and that part of Jeffrey's ability 293 00:15:56,781 --> 00:16:00,655 to manipulate people was that he had this video 294 00:16:00,698 --> 00:16:05,486 of powerful men having sex with underage girls 295 00:16:05,529 --> 00:16:09,707 and that these recordings were held in a safe 296 00:16:09,751 --> 00:16:12,623 that Jeffrey was using as a power tool 297 00:16:12,667 --> 00:16:15,061 to manipulate wealthy guys 298 00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:17,324 to make them do whatever he wanted. 299 00:16:20,762 --> 00:16:24,200 He thought of these girls as commodities. 300 00:16:24,244 --> 00:16:27,290 He gave them out the same way he'd give out 301 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:29,684 a good bottle of wine or a trip on his boat 302 00:16:29,727 --> 00:16:32,165 or a flight to somewhere. 303 00:16:32,208 --> 00:16:36,386 They were nothing more than objects to him. 304 00:16:36,430 --> 00:16:38,954 When you start sending a victim to get abused 305 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:40,912 by more and more and more people, 306 00:16:40,956 --> 00:16:42,653 it makes it so much more detrimental 307 00:16:42,697 --> 00:16:45,308 on your health, on your psyche. 308 00:16:45,352 --> 00:16:47,093 Cages come in many forms, 309 00:16:47,136 --> 00:16:50,705 and I can tell you my cage might've been a golden cage, 310 00:16:50,748 --> 00:16:52,533 but it was a cage nonetheless. 311 00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:55,057 I was very alone, you know? 312 00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:58,321 Like, there was just no way out. 313 00:16:58,365 --> 00:17:00,323 Virginia was in a circumstance where 314 00:17:00,367 --> 00:17:03,413 she really wanted to be able to build a different life. 315 00:17:03,457 --> 00:17:05,676 She knew what was happening to her was very wrong, 316 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,504 and she wanted out, but again, 317 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:09,245 these people are incredibly powerful, 318 00:17:09,289 --> 00:17:11,682 incredibly intimidating, and you don't cross them. 319 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:20,082 Two to three months before my 19th birthday, 320 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,737 I was on the island with Jeffrey Epstein 321 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:24,217 and Ghislaine Maxwell. 322 00:17:26,262 --> 00:17:27,959 You know, I said, "I still haven't gotten 323 00:17:28,003 --> 00:17:30,179 "my massage certificate that you guys promised me, 324 00:17:30,223 --> 00:17:33,530 "and, you know, I really wanna have that massage certificate 325 00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:35,750 "to be a real masseuse one day, you know, 326 00:17:35,793 --> 00:17:37,186 so I can take care of myself." 327 00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:39,797 And for my birthday, 328 00:17:39,841 --> 00:17:41,625 they got me tickets to Thailand. 329 00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:45,412 They booked me into a Thai massage course. 330 00:17:47,283 --> 00:17:50,199 But they asked me to get another girl 331 00:17:50,243 --> 00:17:52,767 to bring over from Thailand, right? 332 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:54,856 So it's never just doing something nice for you. 333 00:17:54,899 --> 00:17:56,466 That's not how they worked. 334 00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:58,729 It's always an exchange for something. 335 00:18:00,557 --> 00:18:02,690 So I was like, "This is an opportunity. 336 00:18:02,733 --> 00:18:04,605 This is a chance." 337 00:18:04,648 --> 00:18:06,998 If I find that chance, I'm taking it. 338 00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:08,652 I put it out there in the universe, 339 00:18:08,696 --> 00:18:10,089 and the universe answered. 340 00:18:12,265 --> 00:18:14,789 I met my husband Robert Giuffre. 341 00:18:14,832 --> 00:18:17,966 He was the first person I told everything 342 00:18:18,009 --> 00:18:20,316 about what I had gone through. 343 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,189 He said to me, "You don't have to go back. 344 00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,669 You can come to Australia with me." 345 00:18:25,713 --> 00:18:30,065 He literally got on his knees and said, "Let's get married." 346 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:32,981 I'm like, "I'm starting a new life. 347 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,026 Like, I don't have to go back." 348 00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:40,075 So the day I got married to Robert, 349 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,772 I said, "I gotta do this now. 350 00:18:41,816 --> 00:18:43,034 "I've gotta call Jeffrey Epstein. 351 00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:46,299 This is my final step." 352 00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:50,041 So I called him, and I said, "I'm not coming back." 353 00:18:50,085 --> 00:18:51,347 You could tell he was pissed off 354 00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:53,088 by the tone of his voice, and he said, 355 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:56,091 "Have a good life," and he clicked the phone up. 356 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,833 That was the last time I had heard from Epstein 357 00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:01,879 until 2007. 358 00:19:04,186 --> 00:19:07,058 Epstein calls me, and he goes, 359 00:19:07,102 --> 00:19:08,625 "There's this stupid investigation 360 00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:10,366 "going on about me, you know, 361 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:12,281 "and are you gonna talk to people about it? 362 00:19:12,325 --> 00:19:14,370 Have you talked to people about it?" 363 00:19:14,414 --> 00:19:17,243 I was... oh, my God. 364 00:19:17,286 --> 00:19:21,203 Like, I couldn't sleep for days. 365 00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:23,597 It was... I was just living in constant fear. 366 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,512 I was just so scared. 367 00:19:34,695 --> 00:19:36,871 The federal authorities in Florida 368 00:19:36,914 --> 00:19:39,352 began an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein. 369 00:19:41,528 --> 00:19:43,269 Epstein's dream team of lawyers 370 00:19:43,312 --> 00:19:46,315 realize this is bad news because once you start 371 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,839 getting the FBI involved, the potential penalties 372 00:19:48,883 --> 00:19:50,624 for their client are much more serious. 373 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:54,541 They start negotiating a plea deal in secret 374 00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:57,283 with Alex Acosta, who is the man in charge 375 00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,372 of the federal prosecution. 376 00:19:59,415 --> 00:20:02,331 This goes on without the victims knowing. 377 00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,725 All the victims know is that the FBI's 378 00:20:04,768 --> 00:20:06,030 looking into the case. 379 00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:10,644 I fear that there's a secret deal being constructed 380 00:20:10,687 --> 00:20:13,124 between the federal government and Jeffrey Epstein, 381 00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:14,909 and that they're working with him 382 00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:16,867 behind my clients' backs. 383 00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,224 Jeffrey Epstein went to jail 384 00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:26,616 just before 10:00 this morning. 385 00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:28,052 He pleaded guilty in open court. 386 00:20:28,096 --> 00:20:29,663 After 18 months 387 00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:31,534 in the Palm Beach detention facility, 388 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:32,840 Epstein will serve another 12 months house arrest 389 00:20:32,883 --> 00:20:34,842 at his Palm Beach home. 390 00:20:34,885 --> 00:20:39,020 - In summer, 2008, - Epstein signed a plea deal 391 00:20:39,063 --> 00:20:42,153 under which he would plead guilty to two charges... 392 00:20:42,197 --> 00:20:44,155 solicitation of prostitution 393 00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:46,462 and soliciting of minor for prostitution. 394 00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:49,378 A guy who had dozens and dozens 395 00:20:49,422 --> 00:20:51,032 of potential victims 396 00:20:51,075 --> 00:20:53,164 and had been operating this pyramid scheme 397 00:20:53,208 --> 00:20:55,515 was only gonna serve 18 months in state prison 398 00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:57,299 and, not only that, 399 00:20:57,343 --> 00:20:59,823 the federal investigation was gonna go away. 400 00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:03,697 That's the most extraordinary part of this. 401 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,133 I didn't even understand 402 00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:06,439 what happened in the courtroom, 403 00:21:06,482 --> 00:21:08,092 and Brad's like, "Courtney, 404 00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:10,094 you wouldn't believe what they're doing." 405 00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:13,533 Like, they are literally doing a secret plea agreement. 406 00:21:13,576 --> 00:21:15,448 Like, this is done. He already pleaded out. 407 00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:21,018 The women's voices were not heard 408 00:21:21,062 --> 00:21:23,673 even though they all gave this very powerful testimony 409 00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:27,024 in the police report over and over and over again 410 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:29,592 telling the same story. 411 00:21:29,636 --> 00:21:33,727 Jeffrey Epstein got off with basically a slap on the wrist. 412 00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:36,120 I just couldn't wrap my head around this whole thing. 413 00:21:36,164 --> 00:21:38,514 It was just very mind-blowing. 414 00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:40,211 I had dealt with my mom going to jail, 415 00:21:40,255 --> 00:21:43,345 so, you know, they were a lot tougher on her 416 00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:45,739 than they were, you know, Epstein. 417 00:21:45,782 --> 00:21:47,523 Me and Brad, we all just find 418 00:21:47,567 --> 00:21:49,264 all this information out together, 419 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:50,439 and we're like, "What?" 420 00:21:50,483 --> 00:21:52,180 This is impossible. 421 00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,921 I mean, this has to be "The Twilight Zone." 422 00:21:53,964 --> 00:21:55,444 This doesn't make any sense. 423 00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,359 Nobody gets this type of treatment. 424 00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:58,795 Who is this person? 425 00:22:01,058 --> 00:22:02,843 I was so angry. 426 00:22:02,886 --> 00:22:04,932 I'm thinking that Jeffrey Epstein 427 00:22:04,975 --> 00:22:06,325 is gonna get away with this. 428 00:22:06,368 --> 00:22:07,935 He is gonna get away with molesting me 429 00:22:07,978 --> 00:22:09,937 and all my friends, 430 00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:12,026 and I'm a victim, and I wanna take this guy down. 431 00:22:12,069 --> 00:22:14,898 I want him to be accountable for what he did to me. 432 00:22:14,942 --> 00:22:17,118 So me and Brad kind of make a pact. 433 00:22:17,161 --> 00:22:20,077 We're like, "Okay, so we're in this to the end." 434 00:22:20,121 --> 00:22:23,646 I said, "I promise you we are going to fight this, 435 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,170 "and, one way or the other, we are going to fix 436 00:22:26,214 --> 00:22:28,390 "the injustice that was caused and that Jeffrey Epstein 437 00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:31,437 was not going to get away with this." 438 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,961 The government did not want to let the victims know 439 00:22:34,004 --> 00:22:36,746 the substance of the non-prosecution agreement, 440 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,140 so we sued the United States Government 441 00:22:39,183 --> 00:22:41,838 so that we could learn what exactly the deal was. 442 00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:47,627 Months later, we finally learn the federal government 443 00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:52,109 had identified approximately 40 minor victims 444 00:22:52,153 --> 00:22:55,156 and instead of prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein, 445 00:22:55,199 --> 00:22:58,377 gave him immunity for all federal sex crimes 446 00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:00,422 that he had committed, 447 00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:03,120 and additionally provided immunity 448 00:23:03,164 --> 00:23:05,862 for all of Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators, 449 00:23:05,906 --> 00:23:07,690 and all of this was done in secrecy 450 00:23:07,734 --> 00:23:09,213 behind the victims' backs. 451 00:23:11,302 --> 00:23:14,175 The extent of the cooperation between 452 00:23:14,218 --> 00:23:17,396 the federal prosecution and Epstein's lawyers 453 00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:20,007 would only become apparent when e-mails between them 454 00:23:20,050 --> 00:23:21,748 were made public. 455 00:23:21,791 --> 00:23:23,750 The emails are artily damning. 456 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,799 It feels like the prosecutors are asking Epstein's defense, 457 00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,845 "What would your client like, sir? 458 00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:34,151 What would be okay for him to plead to?" 459 00:23:36,589 --> 00:23:40,201 It shows that they worked basically hand in glove 460 00:23:40,244 --> 00:23:42,203 to fashion this deal with Alex Acosta, 461 00:23:42,246 --> 00:23:44,248 the top federal prosecutor 462 00:23:44,292 --> 00:23:46,990 for the Southern District of Florida. 463 00:23:47,034 --> 00:23:49,253 He got away with the sweetheart deal. 464 00:23:49,297 --> 00:23:52,256 If that doesn't prove he had friends in high places, 465 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,042 then I don't know what else does. 466 00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:57,218 A few steps, a smile, 467 00:23:57,261 --> 00:23:59,655 and a wave to the deputy at the door. 468 00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:01,918 We watch Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail, 469 00:24:01,962 --> 00:24:04,051 but only his attorneys heard from him. 470 00:24:04,094 --> 00:24:06,140 He's very happy that his jail sentence is over 471 00:24:06,183 --> 00:24:09,709 and he can begin a new chapter in his life. 472 00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:11,972 Epstein was supposed to serve 18 months, 473 00:24:12,015 --> 00:24:14,322 but he only served 13 months. 474 00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:17,064 When he comes out of prison in 2009, 475 00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:21,764 Jeffrey Epstein is a registered sex offender. 476 00:24:21,808 --> 00:24:24,680 So Epstein embarks on this extraordinary attempt 477 00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,683 to rehabilitate his image. 478 00:24:27,727 --> 00:24:32,253 He realizes that a way to sanitize your name 479 00:24:32,296 --> 00:24:35,169 and manage your reputation is to become a philanthropist, 480 00:24:35,212 --> 00:24:38,215 someone who's donating money to worthy causes, 481 00:24:38,259 --> 00:24:40,870 a thinker. 482 00:24:40,914 --> 00:24:44,178 Epstein was rubbing shoulders with Jeff Bezos from Amazon, 483 00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:47,137 Sergey Brin from Google, and Elon Musk. 484 00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:50,097 Because Epstein was rich, because he was able to donate, 485 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:52,055 people looked the other way, 486 00:24:52,099 --> 00:24:54,014 and in the case of MIT, 487 00:24:54,057 --> 00:24:56,973 he wanted to mix with the world's intellectual elite. 488 00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:04,807 When I started working at MIT, 489 00:25:04,851 --> 00:25:08,463 my job was to take a look at our top-rated donors. 490 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,421 I did come across Jeffrey Epstein 491 00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:13,903 amongst the disqualified donors. 492 00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:16,863 I came to learn that they had found a workaround, 493 00:25:16,906 --> 00:25:21,955 that Epstein's associates would give to MIT instead 494 00:25:21,998 --> 00:25:25,436 in their name anonymously. 495 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,351 This is a $2 million gift from Bill Gates 496 00:25:27,395 --> 00:25:29,702 directed by Jeffrey Epstein. 497 00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:31,530 "For gift recording purposes, 498 00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:33,314 "we will not be mentioning Jeffrey's name 499 00:25:33,357 --> 00:25:34,924 as the impetus for the gift." 500 00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:38,885 The relationship with Jeffrey Epstein 501 00:25:38,928 --> 00:25:43,106 had become an open secret amongst people at the lab. 502 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:44,978 Female employees raised issues, 503 00:25:45,021 --> 00:25:48,547 but our complaints fell on deaf ears. 504 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:53,813 I was told we needed to keep all of this information quiet. 505 00:25:53,856 --> 00:25:56,337 We began arranging for Jeffrey Epstein 506 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:58,078 to visit the lab. 507 00:25:58,121 --> 00:26:00,471 I was told that Jeffrey doesn't go anywhere 508 00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:03,126 without two female assistants at his side. 509 00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:07,000 That was another red flag in my eyes. 510 00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:09,437 Jeffrey came in very confident, 511 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,396 and the two women appeared young. 512 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,224 They were Eastern European. 513 00:26:14,268 --> 00:26:17,227 Very beautiful... they looked like models. 514 00:26:17,271 --> 00:26:20,491 No part of me fully believed that they were his assistants. 515 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:27,368 We were concerned that maybe they were being trafficked. 516 00:26:27,411 --> 00:26:29,457 My male colleagues 517 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,112 just saw what they wanted to see with Jeffrey Epstein. 518 00:26:32,155 --> 00:26:35,158 I think if you're relying on money from him, 519 00:26:35,202 --> 00:26:38,684 it was very easy to turn the other way. 520 00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:40,555 Being affiliated with MIT 521 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,863 helped Jeffrey Epstein rebuild his reputation, 522 00:26:43,906 --> 00:26:46,779 to just slip back into his life 523 00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:49,433 that he had before being convicted. 524 00:26:51,566 --> 00:26:52,959 There were multiple victims 525 00:26:53,002 --> 00:26:55,222 that were still being victimized. 526 00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:58,094 He was such a significant perpetrator of these crimes 527 00:26:58,138 --> 00:26:59,966 that he would never stop until stopped. 528 00:27:01,837 --> 00:27:03,534 Girls that I have talked to 529 00:27:03,578 --> 00:27:05,928 who have been trafficked as teens, 530 00:27:05,972 --> 00:27:10,716 there's always an environment that normalizes it. 531 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,720 The normalcy explains why 532 00:27:14,763 --> 00:27:18,419 people who otherwise would have been shocked 533 00:27:18,462 --> 00:27:22,249 and horrified didn't act. 534 00:27:22,292 --> 00:27:25,382 All these high, official people allowed him 535 00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:28,603 to continue doing what he was doing. 536 00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:31,214 To this day, it just makes... it gives me, like, anxiety. 537 00:27:31,258 --> 00:27:32,302 It makes my heart race. 538 00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:40,354 Courtney was very damaged by what Jeffrey Epstein did. 539 00:27:40,397 --> 00:27:42,269 You know, she would have these up and down periods 540 00:27:42,312 --> 00:27:44,706 where she was constantly trying to deal with 541 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:47,535 all of the emotional trauma from her life, 542 00:27:47,578 --> 00:27:49,842 and there were very low moments. 543 00:27:52,322 --> 00:27:53,933 It's such a dark story, 544 00:27:53,976 --> 00:27:57,327 but I just know other people can relate to it. 545 00:27:57,371 --> 00:27:59,982 My life goes just, like, downhill. 546 00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:04,073 I basically turn into a drug addict. 547 00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:09,252 I end up going to prison for three years for drugs. 548 00:28:09,296 --> 00:28:12,255 So, this is... makes me emotional. 549 00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:14,605 You know, Brad sticks by my side 550 00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:16,825 and he writes me letters and says, 551 00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:18,348 "Hey, Courtney, you're one of 552 00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:20,655 the most powerful people I've ever met." 553 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:25,181 And something just clicked when I was in prison 554 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:27,444 that, you know, I didn't want to live like that anymore. 555 00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:32,319 And then it brought me to... 556 00:28:32,362 --> 00:28:35,757 I'm gonna fight until somebody brings Jeffrey down, 557 00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:37,716 and I'm just gonna keep on speaking the truth 558 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,892 because I'm done with you, you know? 559 00:29:11,967 --> 00:29:15,057 I had my daughter in 2010, 560 00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,799 and it just hit me all at once. 561 00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:19,714 Now I've got this little girl in my arms. 562 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,542 We gotta protect her. 563 00:29:21,585 --> 00:29:23,370 It was like looking at her, and it clicked, 564 00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:25,328 and it was like, you know, it is time to speak out. 565 00:29:29,376 --> 00:29:31,247 Naming someone like Prince Andrew, 566 00:29:31,291 --> 00:29:33,815 all of a sudden the world cared, right? 567 00:29:33,859 --> 00:29:36,165 People wanna hear those kind of stories. 568 00:29:38,211 --> 00:29:40,039 But the first story that came out 569 00:29:40,082 --> 00:29:43,085 was almost like a salacious sex story. 570 00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:45,609 It took away from the fact that 571 00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:47,786 this is a sex trafficking operation. 572 00:29:49,918 --> 00:29:51,615 She has now gone public 573 00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:53,617 with some of the key allegations 574 00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:55,837 about the abuse that she suffered 575 00:29:55,881 --> 00:29:58,231 and the people who were involved in that abuse. 576 00:29:58,274 --> 00:29:59,841 Her allegations had included 577 00:29:59,885 --> 00:30:02,452 people like Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz. 578 00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:09,329 The last day of 2014, false story was told 579 00:30:09,372 --> 00:30:12,549 by Virginia Roberts about having had sex with me 580 00:30:12,593 --> 00:30:16,466 on six different occasions on Jeffrey Epstein's island 581 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:20,601 and his ranch and on the airplane. 582 00:30:20,644 --> 00:30:23,909 Totally made-up stories. 583 00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:25,998 What followed her allegations was 584 00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:30,045 an absolute tirade by Dershowitz in the media. 585 00:30:30,089 --> 00:30:33,092 The story is totally, completely fabricated 586 00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:34,397 from top to bottom. 587 00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:36,399 It was a time when the media, 588 00:30:36,443 --> 00:30:38,445 unfortunately, was very victim-blaming. 589 00:30:38,488 --> 00:30:41,056 Everybody, from a media perspective, 590 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,928 was really attacking the victim, Virginia, 591 00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:44,712 at that point. 592 00:30:44,755 --> 00:30:47,628 - She's an admitted prostitute. - She's a serial liar. 593 00:30:47,671 --> 00:30:49,499 I can tell you she is still a prostitute. 594 00:30:49,543 --> 00:30:54,069 She is selling false stories now for money about me. 595 00:30:54,113 --> 00:30:56,245 I mean, I was called a bad mother, 596 00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:58,595 a serial liar, a serial prostitute. 597 00:30:58,639 --> 00:31:00,946 Like, the names were horrible, you know? 598 00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:03,252 And I've got three kids, and they, you know, 599 00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:05,472 they see the news channels, and, you know, 600 00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:07,474 "Mommy, why are they calling you a prostitute? 601 00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:09,128 What is a prostitute?" 602 00:31:09,171 --> 00:31:10,477 But I just kept telling 'em, 603 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,695 "Mommy's fighting the bad guys." 604 00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:17,092 She was being attacked in a very significant way, 605 00:31:17,136 --> 00:31:19,268 and that's when I was brought into the case 606 00:31:19,312 --> 00:31:21,880 to help her in that circumstance. 607 00:31:21,923 --> 00:31:24,970 She wanted to have established on the record 608 00:31:25,013 --> 00:31:27,015 what had happened to her and try to stop 609 00:31:27,059 --> 00:31:29,670 the individuals who were involved. 610 00:31:29,713 --> 00:31:31,280 She didn't have a lot of options 611 00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:33,543 because the statute of limitations, 612 00:31:33,587 --> 00:31:35,894 which is the time period within which 613 00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:40,942 a victim can bring a civil suit had already run. 614 00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:43,945 So we, very creatively, came up with a strategy 615 00:31:43,989 --> 00:31:45,991 where she can sue on the basis of things 616 00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:49,124 that were being said about her in a defamation claim 617 00:31:49,168 --> 00:31:50,647 saying, "I'm not a liar 618 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:53,607 because this abuse actually happened to me." 619 00:31:53,650 --> 00:31:57,176 We ended up filing a single count defamation suit 620 00:31:57,219 --> 00:31:59,047 against Ghislaine Maxwell. 621 00:31:59,091 --> 00:32:00,701 Ghislaine had been one of the people 622 00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:02,485 who had come out and called Virginia a liar 623 00:32:02,529 --> 00:32:04,009 and had said, "No, she's lying 624 00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:06,141 about these sexual abuse claims." 625 00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:08,187 Since Ghislaine Maxwell recruited her 626 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:10,450 and also participated in the abuse of her, 627 00:32:10,493 --> 00:32:12,191 working hand in hand with Epstein 628 00:32:12,234 --> 00:32:13,627 to perpetrate those crimes, 629 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:15,498 it was a perfect way to be able 630 00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:17,196 to get at both of them at the same time. 631 00:32:18,893 --> 00:32:20,808 I was vilified for a very long time, 632 00:32:20,851 --> 00:32:22,941 and I still am being vilified. 633 00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,638 You know, I'm still being called a liar, 634 00:32:24,681 --> 00:32:27,467 and the truth has a funny way of showing its head, 635 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:30,426 and I'm not stopping till it does. 636 00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:35,605 One of the things that allows predators 637 00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:39,566 to continue to prey upon vulnerable individuals 638 00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:41,133 for a long period of time 639 00:32:41,176 --> 00:32:44,745 is a culture in which they are working. 640 00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:48,444 I think that sexual predators 641 00:32:48,488 --> 00:32:50,316 find an environment 642 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,449 that is tolerant of sexual offending, 643 00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:55,799 and that tolerance can be a fraternity. 644 00:32:55,843 --> 00:32:57,410 It can be a neighborhood. 645 00:32:57,453 --> 00:32:59,368 It can be a crowd of people. 646 00:33:01,153 --> 00:33:03,372 Hundreds and hundreds of young females 647 00:33:03,416 --> 00:33:05,592 were victimized, and what we've seen 648 00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:07,986 is just a fraction of them coming forward. 649 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:11,728 Even though they were manipulated in a masterful way, 650 00:33:11,772 --> 00:33:15,471 they still struggle with making public what happened to them 651 00:33:15,515 --> 00:33:18,561 because there is so much shame involved. 652 00:33:18,605 --> 00:33:21,042 It's really difficult as a victim to come forward 653 00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:24,611 and say, "I was one of them. It happened to me too." 654 00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:27,396 - It happened to me too. - Me too. 655 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,571 It happened to me too. 656 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:31,966 No justice! 657 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,402 I'm in prison, and I'm watching 658 00:33:33,446 --> 00:33:35,448 all this stuff happen on the TV, 659 00:33:35,491 --> 00:33:37,450 watching the Me Too Movement. 660 00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:40,192 I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, these girls are coming out, 661 00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:41,889 and people are believing them." 662 00:33:41,932 --> 00:33:43,673 Survivors are sharing their personal stories 663 00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:45,849 of harassment and assault online. 664 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:48,417 In terms of believing the victims 665 00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:49,940 and believing survivors, 666 00:33:49,984 --> 00:33:51,159 I think the pendulum swung. 667 00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:53,770 Bound up in that was Me Too. 668 00:33:53,814 --> 00:33:55,729 We believe Christine Ford! 669 00:33:55,772 --> 00:33:58,079 Kavanaugh is not welcome here! 670 00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,689 I was watching the Supreme Court hearings 671 00:33:59,733 --> 00:34:01,082 with Brett Kavanaugh, 672 00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:04,085 and I remember just looking at the TV 673 00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:07,088 and thinking, "God, I cannot wait 674 00:34:07,132 --> 00:34:10,526 for my day to expose Jeffrey Epstein." 675 00:34:12,615 --> 00:34:16,271 I receive a letter from "The Miami Herald." 676 00:34:16,315 --> 00:34:18,273 It's a reporter. Her name is Julie Brown. 677 00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:21,320 And she's been investigating my case, 678 00:34:21,363 --> 00:34:23,278 and she knows all about it, and she's so sorry 679 00:34:23,322 --> 00:34:25,280 for what happened. 680 00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:27,674 So I write her back, and I tell her 681 00:34:27,717 --> 00:34:29,067 that I want everybody to know who I am, 682 00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:30,677 and I want everybody to know 683 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,244 that I'm a victim of Jeffrey Epstein 684 00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:35,943 I was so filled with, like, 685 00:34:35,986 --> 00:34:41,514 rage and madness and hurt. 686 00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:44,299 I was like, "I want to tell her my story." 687 00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:45,996 "The Miami Herald" was able to identify 688 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,695 nearly 80 girls who were molested by Epstein. 689 00:34:48,738 --> 00:34:51,089 This case has been around for many years. 690 00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:52,568 A lot of reporters have followed it 691 00:34:52,612 --> 00:34:54,614 and done some very good work on this, 692 00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:57,660 but it is now a decade later, and at some point, 693 00:34:57,704 --> 00:35:00,185 I thought the real story is the criminal justice system 694 00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:03,449 and how it failed these girls. 695 00:35:03,492 --> 00:35:06,060 I think Alex Acosta being nominated 696 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:08,497 to be Trump's labor secretary spurred Julie Brown 697 00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:10,717 to do her investigation. 698 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,327 Acosta, as labor secretary, 699 00:35:12,371 --> 00:35:14,851 was overseeing human trafficking. 700 00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:17,115 A guy who'd given a sweetheart plea deal 701 00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:20,161 to arguably the worst human trafficker 702 00:35:20,205 --> 00:35:23,251 in American history really set Julie Brown off. 703 00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:25,123 Julie Brown also shed new light 704 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,342 on the plea deal that Jeffrey Epstein agreed to. 705 00:35:27,386 --> 00:35:29,214 It was signed by Alexander Acosta... 706 00:35:29,257 --> 00:35:30,693 then a federal prosecutor, 707 00:35:30,737 --> 00:35:33,305 now the U.S. Secretary of Labor. 708 00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:36,699 - You have - Alex Acosta's involvement 709 00:35:36,743 --> 00:35:41,139 in the Florida non-prosecution agreement being exposed. 710 00:35:41,182 --> 00:35:43,097 "The Miami Herald" was the first publication 711 00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,317 to say, "We're not gonna back down to the bad guys. 712 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,884 We're gonna actually report what happened." 713 00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:51,627 I hoped that my story was going to make some waves. 714 00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:53,847 I really was hoping. 715 00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:54,891 Did I think it was gonna happen? 716 00:35:54,935 --> 00:35:56,763 Not at all. 717 00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:59,069 I thought Epstein was gonna get away with this. 718 00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:12,779 - During the summer, - I'm at a friend's house. 719 00:36:12,822 --> 00:36:15,477 I get a phone call from Brad. 720 00:36:15,521 --> 00:36:17,000 You know, he's like, 721 00:36:17,044 --> 00:36:18,350 "Courtney, are you sitting down?" 722 00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:21,222 I'm like, "Uh, yes, why?" 723 00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:23,703 "'Cause Jeffrey Epstein was just arrested. 724 00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:26,271 We got him. They definitely got him." 725 00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:29,274 I don't believe it, you know? 726 00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:30,666 I don't believe it. 727 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:35,454 - I'll never forget - July 2019. 728 00:36:35,497 --> 00:36:37,325 I get a call, 729 00:36:37,369 --> 00:36:40,763 and it's from one of my best friends, 730 00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:42,678 and she's like, "He's been arrested!" 731 00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:44,463 And I'm like, "What?" 732 00:36:44,506 --> 00:36:46,595 So I'm in the middle of the street screaming. 733 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,555 It was, like, one of the best days of my life. 734 00:36:49,598 --> 00:36:53,298 I had been at work at church by myself, 735 00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:56,692 and I got a text message saying that he was arrested, 736 00:36:56,736 --> 00:36:59,826 and I literally just started crying, 737 00:36:59,869 --> 00:37:02,785 and I was like, "They're listening to us." 738 00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:07,834 On July the sixth, 2019, 739 00:37:07,877 --> 00:37:10,184 he had boarded a flight on his private jet 740 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,795 from Paris to a private airport in New Jersey. 741 00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:14,884 As soon as Epstein got off the jet, 742 00:37:14,928 --> 00:37:16,799 he's surrounded by a joint task force 743 00:37:16,843 --> 00:37:18,932 of the NYPD and the FBI. 744 00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:22,675 He's put in handcuffs, and he's led away. 745 00:37:22,718 --> 00:37:25,243 All the signs are that he had no idea this was coming. 746 00:37:27,419 --> 00:37:29,072 I was amazed that Epstein didn't know 747 00:37:29,116 --> 00:37:31,553 that an arrest was imminent. 748 00:37:31,597 --> 00:37:34,295 If he had, he might've stayed in France. 749 00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:35,818 Maybe he would've been extradited. 750 00:37:35,862 --> 00:37:37,472 Maybe he wouldn't have been extradited, 751 00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:40,475 but I think the arrest caught him by surprise. 752 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:42,912 Of course, it caught all of us by surprise. 753 00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:44,784 We thought the case was over. 754 00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:47,787 Federal agents storming 755 00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,919 into Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan mansion. 756 00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:52,574 The FBI raid Epstein's mansion 757 00:37:52,618 --> 00:37:55,403 and take material from his home 758 00:37:55,447 --> 00:37:57,971 that evidences the sexual trafficking 759 00:37:58,014 --> 00:38:00,887 that had been taking place including photographs 760 00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:02,932 that they found of young girls, 761 00:38:02,976 --> 00:38:06,022 a false passport that he could presumably use 762 00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:07,807 to escape or get out of the country 763 00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:09,374 if there was a problem. 764 00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:12,115 Our office began cooperating 765 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:13,595 with the Southern District of New York 766 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,423 because we've got, you know, a decade worth 767 00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:17,120 of investigated materials. 768 00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:19,340 Today we announce the unsealing 769 00:38:19,384 --> 00:38:23,518 of sex trafficking charges against Jeffrey Epstein. 770 00:38:23,562 --> 00:38:26,304 Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment... 771 00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:29,307 first, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking, 772 00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:31,526 and second, the substantive crime 773 00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:35,487 of sex trafficking of underage girls. 774 00:38:35,530 --> 00:38:37,489 Jeffrey Epstein's first appearance in court 775 00:38:37,532 --> 00:38:39,317 on the following Monday, 776 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,015 there were dozens and dozens of TV crews outside. 777 00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:43,451 It was a complete zoo. 778 00:38:43,495 --> 00:38:45,235 You okay, Courtney? 779 00:38:45,279 --> 00:38:47,455 I managed to get into the court, and I got a seat. 780 00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:49,239 I was actually sitting in the row 781 00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:50,937 in front of Courtney Wild and Brad Edwards. 782 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:53,331 I wanted to go to New York. 783 00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:56,029 I'm not this troubled, young girl anymore, 784 00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:57,726 and I want to face him, 785 00:38:57,770 --> 00:39:00,381 and I talk to the federal prosecutors, 786 00:39:00,425 --> 00:39:01,861 and they're like, 787 00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:03,732 "He's not gonna get away this time." 788 00:39:03,776 --> 00:39:05,343 Epstein walks in. 789 00:39:05,386 --> 00:39:07,083 He looked a little disheveled, 790 00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:11,218 but he still had a little bit of a swagger to him. 791 00:39:11,261 --> 00:39:12,872 It was very much a feeling of 792 00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:15,570 this is Jeffrey Epstein in court in handcuffs... 793 00:39:15,614 --> 00:39:16,832 I mean, is this real? 794 00:39:20,053 --> 00:39:23,926 To see him finally in that seat 795 00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:27,930 kind of brought me back to, like, that 14-year-old girl. 796 00:39:27,974 --> 00:39:30,411 It's emotionally, mentally stressful 797 00:39:30,455 --> 00:39:33,153 because it brings you back to that point in time 798 00:39:33,196 --> 00:39:37,766 when, you know, everything wasn't so happy. 799 00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:40,029 He was asked how he wanted to plead. 800 00:39:40,073 --> 00:39:41,770 He said, "Not guilty, your honor." 801 00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:49,865 The bail hearing happened shortly afterwards. 802 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:53,782 Epstein's lawyers argued that he'd been "disciplined," 803 00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:57,307 you know, since his 2008 plea deal, 804 00:39:57,351 --> 00:39:59,309 and they offered a bail package 805 00:39:59,353 --> 00:40:01,355 of his mansion in New York... 806 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,965 you know, nearly $100 million worth 807 00:40:03,009 --> 00:40:04,750 of property, and they essentially said 808 00:40:04,793 --> 00:40:06,969 he'd be willing to go under house arrest in New York 809 00:40:07,013 --> 00:40:08,101 and, basically, whatever it takes, 810 00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:09,755 you know, he'll do it. 811 00:40:09,798 --> 00:40:11,626 He's a billionaire, so he clearly has 812 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:14,760 the ability to get away if he needs to, 813 00:40:14,803 --> 00:40:17,458 and that was the concern that the government brought up 814 00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:20,069 during those hearings. 815 00:40:20,113 --> 00:40:22,681 Judge Richard Berman who is presiding over the hearing 816 00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:24,726 took the unusual step of asking if there were 817 00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:26,424 any victims in court who wanted to speak. 818 00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:31,037 I was able to get up and say, 819 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,431 "Please do not give this man a bond." 820 00:40:33,474 --> 00:40:35,084 With me, like, standing up to him, 821 00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:36,346 I just wanted him to know, like... 822 00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:38,174 I don't care. 823 00:40:38,218 --> 00:40:40,089 I don't care how much money you have. 824 00:40:40,133 --> 00:40:42,135 You know, I'm not a young girl anymore. 825 00:40:42,178 --> 00:40:45,530 I'm 31, and I'm gonna fight back, 826 00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:49,838 and it's not okay to sexually abuse anybody. 827 00:40:49,882 --> 00:40:53,059 The entire time that Courtney 828 00:40:53,102 --> 00:40:54,930 was addressing Jeffrey Epstein, 829 00:40:54,974 --> 00:40:56,584 he stared straight ahead. 830 00:40:56,628 --> 00:40:58,891 I don't think that he could face her. 831 00:40:58,934 --> 00:41:02,068 Watching Courtney speak... 832 00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:05,506 she had the power over him. 833 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:07,769 You know, she took back from him 834 00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:11,817 what he had taken from her all of those years ago. 835 00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:14,472 It was the most incredible thing 836 00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:16,909 I have ever seen anybody do. 837 00:41:16,952 --> 00:41:19,738 My name is Courtney Wild, and I was sexually abused 838 00:41:19,781 --> 00:41:22,305 by Jeffrey Epstein as a child. 839 00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:24,482 As long as the victims speak up, 840 00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:26,614 he isn't going to get away this time. 841 00:41:26,658 --> 00:41:28,529 Calling him a threat to the public, 842 00:41:28,573 --> 00:41:30,923 Judge Richard Berman ordered Jeffrey Epstein, 843 00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:32,925 accused of sex trafficking young girls, 844 00:41:32,968 --> 00:41:35,057 held in jail until trial. 845 00:41:35,101 --> 00:41:37,277 Berman said part of the reason he denied bail 846 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,759 was the testimony of two women who said Epstein abused them. 847 00:41:40,802 --> 00:41:43,849 Such powerful testimony from the victims 848 00:41:43,892 --> 00:41:46,547 I think really influenced the judge's decision 849 00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:49,724 to deny bail and to ensure that Jeffrey Epstein 850 00:41:49,768 --> 00:41:53,032 was not free to get away and escape. 851 00:41:53,075 --> 00:41:56,862 Brad looked at me the day that Jeffrey Epstein's bond 852 00:41:56,905 --> 00:42:00,039 was denied and said, "We got him. 853 00:42:00,082 --> 00:42:03,390 He is going to jail, and it's real this time." 854 00:42:03,433 --> 00:42:05,827 I started thinking 855 00:42:05,871 --> 00:42:07,873 that this might actually fricking happen 856 00:42:07,916 --> 00:42:09,657 and we might actually have our day in court, 857 00:42:09,701 --> 00:42:11,616 and he's gonna fricking fry. 858 00:42:11,659 --> 00:42:13,226 Epstein is being held here 859 00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:14,880 at the federal jail in Manhattan. 860 00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:17,578 Now, while a court date has not yet been set, 861 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:21,626 if convicted, he faces up to 45 years in prison. 862 00:42:25,804 --> 00:42:27,370 On August the ninth, 863 00:42:27,414 --> 00:42:29,982 we got a massive dump of documents... 864 00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:33,246 new flight logs, new depositions, you know, 865 00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:36,379 new records, and there was a slew of famous people 866 00:42:36,423 --> 00:42:39,687 who were implicated in this. 867 00:42:39,731 --> 00:42:42,168 Interest in this case was already enormous. 868 00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:43,299 This kicked it up another notch. 869 00:42:47,086 --> 00:42:48,783 The next day, August the tenth, 870 00:42:48,827 --> 00:42:51,394 at 6:30 in the morning, Epstein's guards 871 00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:54,006 went to his cell to check on him, 872 00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:56,574 and what they saw was shocking. 873 00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:01,579 They saw Epstein with what seemed to be 874 00:43:01,622 --> 00:43:03,406 a noose around his neck. 875 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:05,104 Guards attempted to revive him 876 00:43:05,147 --> 00:43:07,933 while saying, "Breathe, Epstein, breathe." 877 00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:11,153 It appeared that he had hung himself in his cell. 878 00:43:15,331 --> 00:43:19,771 I had no emotion tied to him killing himself. 879 00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:25,559 I guess if anything, it was, like, good. 880 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,561 Good. 881 00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:30,999 I was just really, really angry. 882 00:43:33,001 --> 00:43:35,351 Really angry at how this could have happened... 883 00:43:35,395 --> 00:43:39,094 and who was responsible for letting this happen? 884 00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:40,618 When I found out, 885 00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:44,273 I collapsed on the ground. 886 00:43:44,317 --> 00:43:46,493 I was hysterically crying, 887 00:43:46,536 --> 00:43:49,017 hyperventilating. 888 00:43:49,061 --> 00:43:52,978 I had worked myself up into such a frenzy 889 00:43:53,021 --> 00:43:57,417 with my stomach and reacting to the news the way that I had, 890 00:43:57,460 --> 00:43:59,854 I started vomiting blood, 891 00:43:59,898 --> 00:44:02,465 and I spent two days in a hospital 892 00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:04,859 just trying to stop the vomiting, 893 00:44:04,903 --> 00:44:08,558 and it's been a little over two months now... 894 00:44:11,257 --> 00:44:14,739 And I've been to the hospital five times since. 895 00:44:14,782 --> 00:44:17,785 His death has retraumatized me all over again 896 00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:20,396 and maybe more so than it ever had before. 897 00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:24,749 Honestly, when I first heard about it, 898 00:44:24,792 --> 00:44:27,490 and I know this sounds crazy to so many people, you know, 899 00:44:27,534 --> 00:44:30,015 I was sad. I was upset. 900 00:44:30,058 --> 00:44:32,147 And then it changed from, like, 901 00:44:32,191 --> 00:44:34,497 empathy to just anger 'cause I'm like, 902 00:44:34,541 --> 00:44:37,326 "This guy has never been held accountable 903 00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:38,850 for anything he's done." 904 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,424 I don't know. 905 00:44:48,468 --> 00:44:49,599 I just don't see him committing suicide. 906 00:44:49,643 --> 00:44:51,427 I just don't. 907 00:44:51,471 --> 00:44:53,908 I think he was too important to too many people. 908 00:44:53,952 --> 00:44:55,649 He held all of the secrets of so many people, 909 00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,173 and he always said that. 910 00:44:58,217 --> 00:44:59,609 He was like... would joke about it, 911 00:44:59,653 --> 00:45:02,264 and, like, kind of... 912 00:45:02,308 --> 00:45:04,440 like, they think that they're getting something out of him, 913 00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:08,357 but he is the one that had everything on them. 914 00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:16,670 It's Jeffrey Epstein's private island 915 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,759 in the Caribbean. 916 00:45:18,803 --> 00:45:23,198 New York Police and FBI agents raiding the place yesterday. 917 00:45:23,242 --> 00:45:25,374 Seen clearly through the window, 918 00:45:25,418 --> 00:45:28,073 computers packed in red bubble wrap 919 00:45:28,116 --> 00:45:32,338 ready to go... evidence freshly gathered. 920 00:45:32,381 --> 00:45:34,166 - The FBI raided - Epstein's island 921 00:45:34,209 --> 00:45:36,124 in the Caribbean two days after his death. 922 00:45:38,431 --> 00:45:40,476 Killing himself allowed Jeffrey Epstein 923 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,870 to, in a final way, say, "Screw you, 924 00:45:42,914 --> 00:45:44,829 I get the last laugh." 925 00:45:44,872 --> 00:45:47,440 It just fits with everything we know about him 926 00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:50,443 to maintain control right till the end. 927 00:45:50,486 --> 00:45:52,706 You know, that final twist of the knife, you know? 928 00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:55,448 "I'm not gonna let you get what you want, 929 00:45:55,491 --> 00:45:57,015 which is seeing me in court." 930 00:46:00,322 --> 00:46:02,585 Jeffrey Epstein was a master manipulator. 931 00:46:04,674 --> 00:46:06,459 He was making adjustments to his will 932 00:46:06,502 --> 00:46:10,463 just days before he was found dead in prison. 933 00:46:10,506 --> 00:46:16,077 That impacted how his assets were handled. 934 00:46:16,121 --> 00:46:18,688 He changed it so that all of his 935 00:46:18,732 --> 00:46:21,126 500 odd million dollar fortune 936 00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:23,606 would go to a trust in the U.S. Virgin Islands, 937 00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:26,000 which made it far more secretive, 938 00:46:26,044 --> 00:46:28,046 and it meant that we didn't know 939 00:46:28,089 --> 00:46:29,699 who the benefactors were. 940 00:46:29,743 --> 00:46:31,266 For all we know, he could still be paying 941 00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:32,833 his co-conspirators. 942 00:46:32,877 --> 00:46:36,010 He could be giving Ghislaine an allowance. 943 00:46:36,054 --> 00:46:39,187 But Epstein's intention with doing what he did 944 00:46:39,231 --> 00:46:41,842 was to screw the victims 945 00:46:41,886 --> 00:46:43,801 and make it harder for them to get any money. 946 00:46:47,674 --> 00:46:50,503 Now he's dead, 947 00:46:50,546 --> 00:46:53,811 but because I remained silent for so long, 948 00:46:53,854 --> 00:46:56,857 the statute of limitations ran out, 949 00:46:56,901 --> 00:46:59,555 so I'm still, like, 950 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,949 you know, stuck in a position where this person's, like, 951 00:47:01,993 --> 00:47:04,865 completely ruined my life. 952 00:47:04,909 --> 00:47:06,606 And, like, I can't even do anything to fix it. 953 00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:14,483 Every single day that I struggle with something 954 00:47:14,527 --> 00:47:17,138 in regards to this, whether it's financially 955 00:47:17,182 --> 00:47:19,097 or physically or emotionally, 956 00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:22,491 you know, he wins every time. 957 00:47:28,541 --> 00:47:31,544 It took so long for me to speak up 958 00:47:31,587 --> 00:47:34,416 and find my voice and to talk about this, 959 00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:36,592 and to become so public with it... 960 00:47:36,636 --> 00:47:39,595 it was something I didn't wanna share with anybody ever. 961 00:47:51,259 --> 00:47:54,567 I'm starting to feel sick. 962 00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:56,961 But... 963 00:47:57,004 --> 00:47:59,789 it doesn't matter how powerful somebody appears to be. 964 00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:02,096 If they are hurting you in any way, 965 00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:03,619 they are not powerful. 966 00:48:06,057 --> 00:48:07,580 No matter where you come from 967 00:48:07,623 --> 00:48:09,625 and no matter what background you have 968 00:48:09,669 --> 00:48:11,627 or what idea you have in your head 969 00:48:11,671 --> 00:48:13,281 about who you are, 970 00:48:13,325 --> 00:48:15,805 you always have a voice. 971 00:48:15,849 --> 00:48:19,287 It makes me sick to my stomach that there's perpetrators 972 00:48:19,331 --> 00:48:22,421 out there that obviously helped him in many ways 973 00:48:22,464 --> 00:48:24,205 for a very long time, and they're still out there 974 00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:27,165 - with no punishment. - Right. 975 00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:33,258 Ghislaine Maxwell is a defendant 976 00:48:33,301 --> 00:48:35,260 in a number of cases that have been filed 977 00:48:35,303 --> 00:48:40,265 by victims who were abused by her. 978 00:48:40,308 --> 00:48:42,571 She is very actively using her team of lawyers 979 00:48:42,615 --> 00:48:45,052 to fight against that information 980 00:48:45,096 --> 00:48:47,620 being revealed to the public. 981 00:48:47,663 --> 00:48:50,231 She was a key conspirator. 982 00:48:50,275 --> 00:48:52,407 It took many people to make sure 983 00:48:52,451 --> 00:48:54,801 that this sexual trafficking operation 984 00:48:54,844 --> 00:48:58,761 ran smoothly and in such a sophisticated nature. 985 00:48:58,805 --> 00:49:01,329 The hope is, amongst all the victims, 986 00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:03,984 that the government will continue to pursue 987 00:49:04,028 --> 00:49:07,945 their investigation and hold her accountable. 988 00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:10,730 - Even after - I left the situation, 989 00:49:10,773 --> 00:49:12,732 even after I'd cut off communication, 990 00:49:12,775 --> 00:49:17,476 I still really believed that Ghislaine cared about me. 991 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,087 This was Ghislaine in the hotel room 992 00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:23,961 in Africa unpacking her stuff. 993 00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:26,441 I was in desperate search for that motherly love 994 00:49:26,485 --> 00:49:29,096 or that female figure in my life 995 00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:31,969 to be there for me and to have feelings 996 00:49:32,012 --> 00:49:34,623 invested in how my life turned out. 997 00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:36,930 Kind of a silly moment for everybody. 998 00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:40,020 Everyone was just kind of laughing and joking. 999 00:49:40,064 --> 00:49:42,544 I genuinely thought that she really did care about me, 1000 00:49:42,588 --> 00:49:45,025 and so it was another just giant blow 1001 00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:48,420 to learn that she was in on all of it. 1002 00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:52,728 That's it. 1003 00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:00,432 In Epstein's absence, 1004 00:50:00,475 --> 00:50:02,825 I think Ghislaine is the number one target. 1005 00:50:02,869 --> 00:50:04,479 If Epstein was still alive, 1006 00:50:04,523 --> 00:50:05,872 they may well have just not bothered 1007 00:50:05,915 --> 00:50:07,395 with Ghislaine because Epstein, 1008 00:50:07,439 --> 00:50:09,789 he would've been the head on the stick. 1009 00:50:09,832 --> 00:50:13,314 Now Ghislaine may well be the head on a stick. 1010 00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:14,837 Not that she wouldn't deserve it, 1011 00:50:14,881 --> 00:50:16,970 but it would be kind of ironic, you know, 1012 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,841 that by killing himself, 1013 00:50:18,885 --> 00:50:23,455 Epstein may have sealed Ghislaine's fate. 1014 00:50:23,498 --> 00:50:26,066 We'd all love to hear from Ghislaine 1015 00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:27,981 her side of the story, 1016 00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:30,984 but what could it be except spin 1017 00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:35,728 given the incredibly shocking sort of details 1018 00:50:35,771 --> 00:50:38,992 that these girls have reported? 1019 00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:41,951 I mean, Jeffrey Epstein, he is where he belongs. 1020 00:50:41,995 --> 00:50:44,171 He would have never stopped. 1021 00:50:44,215 --> 00:50:46,913 And Ghislaine Maxwell, 1022 00:50:46,956 --> 00:50:49,089 I hope your freedom's taken away. 1023 00:50:49,133 --> 00:50:51,831 I hope you fall very, very, very far down 1024 00:50:51,874 --> 00:50:53,833 from that pedestal that you've put yourself on. 1025 00:50:53,876 --> 00:50:55,661 The world knows who you are. 1026 00:50:55,704 --> 00:50:57,141 I know who you are, 1027 00:50:57,184 --> 00:51:00,187 and you're going down, mate. 1028 00:51:00,231 --> 00:51:02,320 You're on a sinking ship. 86673

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