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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:42,999 --> 00:00:45,871 When I found out that it wasn't just me 2 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:48,918 and that he got away with this, your blood boils. 3 00:00:49,005 --> 00:00:50,702 Jeffrey Epstein is gonna get away 4 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:53,270 with molesting me and all my friends, 5 00:00:53,357 --> 00:00:55,359 and the government's cosigning it. 6 00:00:55,446 --> 00:00:57,013 It's scary. 7 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:58,623 When you look at the evidence, 8 00:00:58,710 --> 00:01:01,104 it's utterly damning. 9 00:01:03,802 --> 00:01:07,110 And then, in 2006, the federal authorities 10 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:08,633 in Florida begin an investigation 11 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,679 into Jeffrey Epstein. 12 00:01:10,766 --> 00:01:12,942 They were expanding it beyond Florida. 13 00:01:13,029 --> 00:01:14,161 They were looking at his properties 14 00:01:14,248 --> 00:01:16,163 in New York and elsewhere. 15 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:19,470 They were starting to really get into who this guy was, 16 00:01:19,557 --> 00:01:22,169 where his investments were, what he was doing. 17 00:01:22,256 --> 00:01:23,953 Who really was Jeffrey Epstein? 18 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:38,707 Truth is stranger than fiction in this case. 19 00:01:38,794 --> 00:01:40,926 I mean, we're talking about hundreds of girls 20 00:01:41,013 --> 00:01:42,580 being victimized, which was really 21 00:01:42,667 --> 00:01:44,365 just astonishing to me... 22 00:01:44,452 --> 00:01:46,410 that this had gone on for so long 23 00:01:46,497 --> 00:01:49,761 and that there had been so many people involved. 24 00:01:49,848 --> 00:01:52,199 As attorneys who represent the victims, 25 00:01:52,286 --> 00:01:55,506 we were really trying to expose the scheme, 26 00:01:55,593 --> 00:01:58,944 and we were using Virginia's voice to be able to do that. 27 00:02:01,512 --> 00:02:04,341 The recruitment process was never-ending, 28 00:02:04,428 --> 00:02:06,517 so it wasn't like he was finally set up. 29 00:02:06,604 --> 00:02:07,910 He's got his five girls here, 30 00:02:07,997 --> 00:02:09,912 there, there, and there and there. 31 00:02:09,999 --> 00:02:13,133 And so you were forced to try to bring other girls in. 32 00:02:15,047 --> 00:02:17,789 I call it a pyramid scheme. 33 00:02:17,876 --> 00:02:20,314 "A" would talk to B, B would talk to C 34 00:02:20,401 --> 00:02:22,359 so on and so forth. 35 00:02:22,446 --> 00:02:24,144 And these girls, that's how it worked down the line. 36 00:02:26,276 --> 00:02:29,758 Jeffrey had a particularly elaborate seduction system. 37 00:02:29,845 --> 00:02:34,545 He had women around him that he trained 38 00:02:34,632 --> 00:02:37,374 to understand what he was looking for. 39 00:02:37,461 --> 00:02:41,204 They would find young potential victims 40 00:02:41,291 --> 00:02:44,860 who were malleable, who had some level of need 41 00:02:44,947 --> 00:02:47,036 or some level of naiveté about them. 42 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:55,697 I grew up in Dayton, Ohio, 43 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:58,047 surrounded by cornfields and woods 44 00:02:58,134 --> 00:03:00,484 that I often played in. 45 00:03:02,791 --> 00:03:06,447 Growing up, I always was into healing, 46 00:03:06,534 --> 00:03:09,537 and my dad was a dentist. 47 00:03:09,624 --> 00:03:12,235 My mom was a teacher, and I've always had 48 00:03:12,322 --> 00:03:15,891 a mission to help others, 49 00:03:15,978 --> 00:03:19,634 and since I was a kid, I've also had this dream 50 00:03:19,721 --> 00:03:21,897 about going to California. 51 00:03:21,984 --> 00:03:24,639 So when I was 22 years old, 52 00:03:24,726 --> 00:03:26,815 I chose a massage therapy school 53 00:03:26,902 --> 00:03:29,426 in California and went. 54 00:03:36,172 --> 00:03:38,130 I was very excited and just ready 55 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,045 to take on the world. 56 00:03:42,526 --> 00:03:45,094 One day, I was approached by a student 57 00:03:45,181 --> 00:03:48,228 further along in the program, and she asked me 58 00:03:48,315 --> 00:03:50,708 if I would be interested in learning about 59 00:03:50,795 --> 00:03:52,623 a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity 60 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,886 to be a traveling massage therapist. 61 00:03:56,671 --> 00:03:59,630 I was excited, and I told her yes. 62 00:03:59,717 --> 00:04:02,111 The next person that I was in contact with 63 00:04:02,198 --> 00:04:04,418 was Sarah Kellen. 64 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,424 Sarah Kellen was one of the main recruiters 65 00:04:10,511 --> 00:04:13,035 for Epstein. 66 00:04:13,122 --> 00:04:16,430 Someone who approached girls, rounded up girls, 67 00:04:16,517 --> 00:04:17,953 and also did logistics. 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,389 The pyramid scheme started 69 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:23,393 with Ghislaine Maxwell and Sarah Kellen. 70 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:27,832 Sarah was so successful in bringing girls in. 71 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:29,530 She's telling you, 72 00:04:29,617 --> 00:04:31,183 "You're gonna get a really amazing job. 73 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:32,620 "This is gonna be life-changing for you. 74 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:34,491 This is gonna be amazing." 75 00:04:37,799 --> 00:04:42,020 Sarah and I met at the Santa Monica Beach. 76 00:04:42,107 --> 00:04:44,980 I felt comfortable with her instantly. 77 00:04:45,067 --> 00:04:48,505 We resembled one another as far as age and hair color 78 00:04:48,592 --> 00:04:51,378 and even just body type. 79 00:04:51,465 --> 00:04:54,990 I kind of felt like, wow, she's kind of just like me. 80 00:04:56,905 --> 00:04:59,951 Sarah's telling me about the position. 81 00:05:00,038 --> 00:05:03,172 She had been this personal massage therapist 82 00:05:03,259 --> 00:05:06,697 traveling the world for the last several years. 83 00:05:06,784 --> 00:05:09,439 She said, "You'll be filling my place." 84 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:18,666 She said, "Imagine the most grand, 85 00:05:18,753 --> 00:05:23,410 most amazing, incredible life you could want," 86 00:05:23,497 --> 00:05:27,196 and she stopped speaking, 87 00:05:27,283 --> 00:05:30,460 and I took a couple moments thinking about that 88 00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:32,680 and creating that image in my mind. 89 00:05:35,596 --> 00:05:38,642 She's like, "Teresa, it is so much more 90 00:05:38,729 --> 00:05:40,731 than you could ever, ever imagine." 91 00:05:44,082 --> 00:05:48,086 Sarah referred to Ms. Maxwell who would be hiring me 92 00:05:48,173 --> 00:05:50,350 for the position, 93 00:05:50,437 --> 00:05:53,222 and the next steps are for me to fly 94 00:05:53,309 --> 00:05:55,659 to New York City to meet Ms. Maxwell. 95 00:05:57,661 --> 00:06:02,057 I thought that this was the opportunity of a lifetime. 96 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:06,931 This was going to allow me to see my dreams. 97 00:06:17,681 --> 00:06:22,164 I arrive in New York City, and I go meet with Ms. Maxwell 98 00:06:22,251 --> 00:06:25,385 to give a massage. 99 00:06:25,472 --> 00:06:27,778 I felt quite comfortable with her. 100 00:06:27,865 --> 00:06:29,606 There was a point where she fell asleep 101 00:06:29,693 --> 00:06:31,347 during the massage, so I felt, like, wow, 102 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:32,696 this is really going well. 103 00:06:34,742 --> 00:06:38,310 After the massage, she told me that I was going to go 104 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:41,226 meet her partner, Jeffrey, 105 00:06:41,313 --> 00:06:44,055 to continue with the interview, 106 00:06:44,142 --> 00:06:45,317 and that was the very first time 107 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:48,059 I had heard his name. 108 00:06:48,146 --> 00:06:49,974 She said to me, 109 00:06:50,061 --> 00:06:52,063 "Make sure you give Jeffrey what he wants. 110 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:53,891 Jeffrey always gets what he wants." 111 00:06:56,546 --> 00:06:59,201 The entire operation, from start to finish, 112 00:06:59,288 --> 00:07:01,029 was very calculated. 113 00:07:01,116 --> 00:07:04,467 Before any individual ever even met Jeffrey Epstein, 114 00:07:04,554 --> 00:07:07,731 she had already met three or four other people 115 00:07:07,818 --> 00:07:10,168 who she felt like she trusted. 116 00:07:10,255 --> 00:07:12,127 They were totally out of their element. 117 00:07:12,214 --> 00:07:14,346 They didn't know what the rules were for this world, 118 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:16,131 so to have someone saying, 119 00:07:16,218 --> 00:07:18,263 "These are the rules," effectively, 120 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:21,179 "This is normal. This is how things are." 121 00:07:21,266 --> 00:07:23,443 That's incredible powerful as a tool of manipulation, 122 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:25,880 and I think Ghislaine was essential 123 00:07:25,967 --> 00:07:27,925 in fulfilling that role. 124 00:07:34,366 --> 00:07:36,804 I went to Jeffrey's townhouse that night 125 00:07:36,891 --> 00:07:39,459 and met Jeffrey. 126 00:07:39,546 --> 00:07:42,287 You walk in, and it's pretty breathtaking. 127 00:07:45,508 --> 00:07:48,424 One of the first things I noticed when I walked in... 128 00:07:48,511 --> 00:07:50,295 there was a butler standing there. 129 00:07:50,382 --> 00:07:54,299 The coat, the tux, a silver tray in his hand. 130 00:07:54,386 --> 00:07:56,954 You don't see that anywhere. You see that in a movie. 131 00:07:59,174 --> 00:08:02,133 He said, "Follow me this way," and then I met Jeffrey. 132 00:08:04,614 --> 00:08:07,835 He led me over to a couch, and he sat next to me. 133 00:08:10,751 --> 00:08:13,971 He was asking me questions about myself and my family. 134 00:08:15,712 --> 00:08:17,061 Just in the middle of conversation, 135 00:08:17,148 --> 00:08:19,281 he put his foot on my lap 136 00:08:19,368 --> 00:08:21,675 and asked me for a foot massage. 137 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:27,071 And as I'm doing so, he's pushing his foot 138 00:08:27,158 --> 00:08:28,638 closer to my body. 139 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,339 He starts pushing his heel between my legs. 140 00:08:36,298 --> 00:08:40,215 Then he's pressing the top of his foot... 141 00:08:40,302 --> 00:08:43,305 like, literally his toes... like, into my breast. 142 00:08:45,742 --> 00:08:47,831 I was so confused. 143 00:08:47,918 --> 00:08:49,833 Like, what is going on right now? 144 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:55,143 None of it made sense from the massage school 145 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:57,232 to meeting Sarah to meeting Ghislaine 146 00:08:57,319 --> 00:08:59,408 to now I'm here. 147 00:08:59,495 --> 00:09:02,367 None of it added up. 148 00:09:02,454 --> 00:09:04,195 I stood up to leave the room... 149 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:09,984 And he's following behind me, and he grabbed me 150 00:09:10,071 --> 00:09:12,856 from behind, and I just completely froze. 151 00:09:15,163 --> 00:09:18,601 He was just behind me, and he assaulted me 152 00:09:18,688 --> 00:09:20,211 there in that hallway. 153 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,130 I don't know how long I was even standing there. 154 00:09:32,354 --> 00:09:34,399 I ran straight to the front door, 155 00:09:34,486 --> 00:09:38,012 and he's following right behind me, 156 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:41,798 and as I leave, he patted me on my butt, 157 00:09:41,885 --> 00:09:43,278 and he says to me, 158 00:09:43,365 --> 00:09:45,149 "Don't do anything I wouldn't do." 159 00:09:47,848 --> 00:09:50,546 I felt very, you know, afraid of him. 160 00:09:56,770 --> 00:10:00,948 I felt an overwhelm of shame and confusion. 161 00:10:02,863 --> 00:10:06,301 For some reason, I felt like I should have known, 162 00:10:06,388 --> 00:10:09,260 like, it was too good to be true. 163 00:10:09,347 --> 00:10:10,914 I felt so fooled. 164 00:10:12,655 --> 00:10:15,658 That individual who has been groomed 165 00:10:15,745 --> 00:10:19,619 feels that they had agency 166 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:23,579 and therefore had some responsibility. 167 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:28,889 They do not understand that by the time of the big reveal, 168 00:10:28,976 --> 00:10:31,761 which is the sexual assault, they were tricked. 169 00:10:33,807 --> 00:10:35,983 I was targeted by the student 170 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:38,072 at the massage school. 171 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:42,511 She spotted me knowing what they wanted. 172 00:10:44,339 --> 00:10:46,384 I was a human baton passed along 173 00:10:46,471 --> 00:10:48,169 from one person to the next, 174 00:10:48,256 --> 00:10:51,215 and it began with her at the school that day. 175 00:10:53,348 --> 00:10:55,959 They knew exactly how to pull you in 176 00:10:56,046 --> 00:10:57,874 to trust them. 177 00:11:00,442 --> 00:11:01,878 It's a game. 178 00:11:01,965 --> 00:11:04,402 It's a sick and twisted game to them, 179 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:07,884 and they felt like they were the kings and queens 180 00:11:07,971 --> 00:11:10,713 of their sick domain. 181 00:11:25,032 --> 00:11:27,251 The recruiting focus was constant. 182 00:11:27,338 --> 00:11:29,558 Any of the individuals that you talk to 183 00:11:29,645 --> 00:11:31,516 who were subjected to Ghislaine and Jeffrey 184 00:11:31,603 --> 00:11:34,563 will tell you that every day they were asking 185 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:36,826 these young girls to bring in other girls. 186 00:11:36,913 --> 00:11:38,567 Ghislaine was the master at that. 187 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:42,049 Jeffrey liked diversity. 188 00:11:42,136 --> 00:11:44,355 He didn't want the same person over and over again, 189 00:11:44,442 --> 00:11:46,749 and when you do the math, and he's requiring 190 00:11:46,836 --> 00:11:48,882 a different person three times a day, 191 00:11:48,969 --> 00:11:51,145 those numbers add up. 192 00:11:51,232 --> 00:11:54,975 He literally ate, slept, thought... 193 00:11:55,062 --> 00:11:58,761 that was all he did was abuse. 194 00:11:58,848 --> 00:12:01,764 It was a revolving door of girls coming through. 195 00:13:00,083 --> 00:13:03,565 - I first met Jeffrey - January of 2000. 196 00:13:03,652 --> 00:13:05,828 I was working as a model. 197 00:13:05,915 --> 00:13:07,612 All my friends were models and actresses. 198 00:13:07,699 --> 00:13:09,832 I loved the lifestyle. 199 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:12,356 Going out, art gallery openings, 200 00:13:12,443 --> 00:13:14,358 charity events. 201 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:16,926 Ghislaine I saw a lot at events. 202 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:19,363 We all kind of knew that she had 203 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:21,191 a very special relationship with Jeffrey, 204 00:13:21,278 --> 00:13:23,367 and I was so fascinated with his whole world 205 00:13:23,454 --> 00:13:24,847 that he lived in. 206 00:13:24,934 --> 00:13:27,241 He was mysterious, he was wealthy, 207 00:13:27,328 --> 00:13:29,721 and he knew all the right people. 208 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,680 When I would be there, he would always be talking 209 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:34,465 to the richest man in the world. 210 00:13:34,552 --> 00:13:36,424 He would tell me, like, little secrets about people. 211 00:13:36,511 --> 00:13:37,729 He always knew the secrets. 212 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,166 That was really important to him. 213 00:13:46,521 --> 00:13:48,175 Jeffrey Epstein became 214 00:13:48,262 --> 00:13:50,568 a spectacularly rich financial advisor. 215 00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:53,833 He said at the time that he only wanted clients 216 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,966 who had assets worth a billion dollars or more. 217 00:13:57,053 --> 00:13:59,099 Through a mutual acquaintance, Epstein meets 218 00:13:59,186 --> 00:14:01,101 a genuine billionaire and arguably 219 00:14:01,188 --> 00:14:04,321 the most important man in his life. 220 00:14:04,408 --> 00:14:07,063 At some point in time you met and managed the money 221 00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:09,283 for a fella named Leslie Wexner, correct? 222 00:14:11,807 --> 00:14:13,896 Again, I would like to answer all questions... 223 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:17,291 Les Wexner was the owner of the Limited Brand, 224 00:14:17,378 --> 00:14:19,032 which is Victoria's Secret, 225 00:14:19,119 --> 00:14:22,949 and a very, very wealthy individual. 226 00:14:23,036 --> 00:14:25,603 By 1991, Epstein had not only become 227 00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:27,736 Wexner's financial advisor. 228 00:14:27,823 --> 00:14:29,956 He was his only client. 229 00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:32,959 What was even more bizarre was that Wexner 230 00:14:33,046 --> 00:14:35,700 signed over power of attorney to Epstein. 231 00:14:35,787 --> 00:14:37,528 This was essentially allowing Epstein 232 00:14:37,615 --> 00:14:40,575 to do absolutely anything in relation 233 00:14:40,662 --> 00:14:42,664 to his financial affairs. 234 00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:48,061 And if you're thinking this is a weird arrangement, 235 00:14:48,148 --> 00:14:50,237 that's because it's a very weird arrangement. 236 00:14:52,848 --> 00:14:55,242 Les Wexner had bought and renovated 237 00:14:55,329 --> 00:14:57,984 a house on East 71st Street, 238 00:14:58,071 --> 00:14:59,855 and then the next thing we knew about this house 239 00:14:59,942 --> 00:15:03,467 was that Jeffrey Epstein had moved in, 240 00:15:03,554 --> 00:15:05,252 and the story going around 241 00:15:05,339 --> 00:15:07,558 was that he had just given it to Jeffrey. 242 00:15:09,212 --> 00:15:10,735 What is it about the relationship 243 00:15:10,822 --> 00:15:12,694 between Les Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein 244 00:15:12,781 --> 00:15:17,351 that would inspire him to make such an extraordinary gift? 245 00:15:17,438 --> 00:15:20,093 The way Les Wexner looked at Epstein was 246 00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:21,616 with, like, puppy dog eyes. 247 00:15:21,703 --> 00:15:24,793 It was... I think if Epstein could love, 248 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,144 the only person he loved was himself and Les Wexner. 249 00:15:28,231 --> 00:15:30,755 This relationship is so important 250 00:15:30,842 --> 00:15:34,455 because it allows Epstein to create a fortune for himself 251 00:15:34,542 --> 00:15:36,674 and it also allows him a kind of entry 252 00:15:36,761 --> 00:15:39,025 into the world of modeling. 253 00:15:39,112 --> 00:15:41,244 Les Wexner and Victoria's Secret 254 00:15:41,331 --> 00:15:44,508 is a huge modeling connection... 255 00:15:44,595 --> 00:15:46,641 something that I'm sure Jeffrey Epstein identified 256 00:15:46,728 --> 00:15:48,556 from the very beginning. 257 00:15:48,643 --> 00:15:50,819 One model knows a whole bunch of models. 258 00:15:50,906 --> 00:15:54,605 One person gave him access to hundreds of people. 259 00:15:57,521 --> 00:16:00,394 He had you introduce friends 260 00:16:00,481 --> 00:16:03,484 and the friends introduce more friends. 261 00:16:03,571 --> 00:16:07,792 Jeffrey would pay you if you introduced him to people. 262 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:09,229 He would say it was transactional. 263 00:16:09,316 --> 00:16:10,273 That was his thing. 264 00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:15,235 He really liked me, but I wasn't his type. 265 00:16:15,322 --> 00:16:19,500 What he liked me for was to meet more women. 266 00:16:19,587 --> 00:16:21,502 He was very specific... 267 00:16:21,589 --> 00:16:25,636 young, pretty, tall, thin blondes. 268 00:16:25,723 --> 00:16:26,942 He liked blondes. 269 00:16:29,771 --> 00:16:33,035 I was a model in New York City, 270 00:16:33,122 --> 00:16:35,168 and it was a job that I didn't think 271 00:16:35,255 --> 00:16:37,953 I could ever have, and it was a job that I wanted. 272 00:16:39,955 --> 00:16:42,523 And it's everything you think New York and fashion is. 273 00:16:42,610 --> 00:16:43,959 It was very exciting. 274 00:16:48,616 --> 00:16:51,010 I lived in a model's apartment in Midtown. 275 00:16:51,097 --> 00:16:52,881 I think it was on 42nd street. 276 00:16:52,968 --> 00:16:55,231 And it was a huge apartment. 277 00:16:55,318 --> 00:16:56,928 Any given time, there could be three girls 278 00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:58,800 or there could be 20 girls. 279 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:02,021 We were all about the same age, 280 00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:03,283 and we were in the city by ourselves, you know, 281 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:05,546 some of us for the first time. 282 00:17:09,811 --> 00:17:13,815 The modeling industry was a clear, easy target 283 00:17:13,902 --> 00:17:15,164 for Jeffrey Epstein. 284 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:20,735 You had young, ambitious, beautiful women 285 00:17:20,822 --> 00:17:22,911 coming to New York from all over the world, 286 00:17:22,998 --> 00:17:24,565 dying to make it. 287 00:17:24,652 --> 00:17:27,046 They want to be the next big model 288 00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:28,960 more than anything they've ever wanted, 289 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:30,745 and Jeffrey Epstein 290 00:17:30,832 --> 00:17:32,355 promised to make their dreams come true. 291 00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:35,837 Jeffrey was very powerful. 292 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:39,188 As a model, I was doing really well, 293 00:17:39,275 --> 00:17:41,277 but I wanted to be a Ford model, 294 00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:43,323 so I had told Jeffrey, and he said, 295 00:17:43,410 --> 00:17:45,412 "Oh, I know the owner," and he called up, 296 00:17:45,499 --> 00:17:48,502 and, like, within a few days, I went and met with them, 297 00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:50,895 and they said, "Oh, we love Jeffrey," 298 00:17:50,982 --> 00:17:54,595 of course, and they signed me right up. 299 00:17:54,682 --> 00:17:58,164 He would manipulate you in any way that he could 300 00:17:58,251 --> 00:18:00,905 for whatever you wanted to get more women. 301 00:18:00,992 --> 00:18:03,386 I'll make this happen for you if you do what I want. 302 00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:06,911 He used people for what they were good at, 303 00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:08,739 and that's it. 304 00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:10,393 I'm sure he had the same kind of relationship with men. 305 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,440 He took whatever somebody had to offer 306 00:18:13,527 --> 00:18:15,442 whether it was money, whether it was an idea, 307 00:18:15,529 --> 00:18:17,270 whether it was an opportunity. 308 00:18:17,357 --> 00:18:20,316 Whatever that person had to offer, 309 00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:21,883 Jeffrey Epstein took it. 310 00:18:24,407 --> 00:18:27,628 Jean-Luc Brunel is a French model scout. 311 00:18:27,715 --> 00:18:29,673 He's someone who rose to the top 312 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,720 of the modeling profession and had a terrible reputation 313 00:18:32,807 --> 00:18:35,505 for harassing and trying to sleep with his models. 314 00:18:35,592 --> 00:18:39,422 He met Ghislaine in the '80s, and she introduced him 315 00:18:39,509 --> 00:18:42,077 to Jeffrey Epstein in the '90s. 316 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:44,645 Brunel was another central figure 317 00:18:44,732 --> 00:18:46,168 in this operation. 318 00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:50,346 They ultimately decide to go into business 319 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:52,000 with one another. 320 00:18:52,087 --> 00:18:53,436 Jeffrey Epstein is here 321 00:18:53,523 --> 00:18:56,657 with an unlimited amount of money, 322 00:18:56,744 --> 00:18:58,267 and Jean-Luc Brunel is over here 323 00:18:58,354 --> 00:19:00,791 with unlimited access to young women 324 00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:02,837 that are in the modeling industry. 325 00:19:02,924 --> 00:19:05,796 It was really the perfect storm. 326 00:19:05,883 --> 00:19:07,537 Jean-Luc Brunel was the owner 327 00:19:07,624 --> 00:19:09,278 of the agency I modeled with. 328 00:19:09,365 --> 00:19:11,933 I had the impression that he was kind of... 329 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:14,240 he could make or break a girl's career. 330 00:19:14,327 --> 00:19:18,069 I was warned by a few models... stay away from him. 331 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:21,551 It's easy to capitalize on the inherent exploitation 332 00:19:21,638 --> 00:19:23,640 that comes with being a model. 333 00:19:26,861 --> 00:19:29,994 It is very common practice, if you're doing a runway show, 334 00:19:30,081 --> 00:19:32,910 to get undressed very quickly in front of other people, 335 00:19:32,997 --> 00:19:35,174 and you're desensitized to it because that's what you do, 336 00:19:35,261 --> 00:19:37,393 you know, to get the job done. 337 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,439 It puts very vulnerable women 338 00:19:39,526 --> 00:19:42,442 that are very young in a position 339 00:19:42,529 --> 00:19:44,052 where they can't say no. 340 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:48,535 You have no choice but to submit, to say yes, 341 00:19:48,665 --> 00:19:50,841 in order to further your career. 342 00:20:02,897 --> 00:20:04,725 As a kid, what I would daydream about 343 00:20:04,812 --> 00:20:06,901 was being a model. 344 00:20:06,988 --> 00:20:08,381 I remember my room. 345 00:20:08,468 --> 00:20:10,774 My walls were covered with ad campaigns 346 00:20:10,861 --> 00:20:12,646 and pictures of models. 347 00:20:12,733 --> 00:20:13,864 It just seemed so glamorous. 348 00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:18,304 My parents took photos in the backyard 349 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:21,176 and sent them to several agencies. 350 00:20:21,263 --> 00:20:23,613 Summer after I signed, I went by myself to New York. 351 00:20:26,964 --> 00:20:29,097 I grew up in rural Alaska. 352 00:20:29,184 --> 00:20:30,881 It was a very unusual place to grow up. 353 00:20:30,968 --> 00:20:33,188 There's not many people there. 354 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:34,494 It's mostly surrounded by nature, 355 00:20:34,581 --> 00:20:36,278 and comforts don't come easy. 356 00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:37,758 Like, running water. 357 00:20:37,845 --> 00:20:39,194 We had an outhouse for a little while. 358 00:20:40,891 --> 00:20:43,894 So when I left, I was definitely very naive. 359 00:20:45,896 --> 00:20:48,551 My cousin was living in San Francisco, 360 00:20:48,638 --> 00:20:50,466 and so I just thought it was an opportunity 361 00:20:50,553 --> 00:20:52,642 to go down there and just dip my toe 362 00:20:52,729 --> 00:20:54,818 into what life was like in the city. 363 00:20:54,905 --> 00:20:57,560 I must have been shy of my 19th birthday. 364 00:20:57,647 --> 00:20:59,519 I had lived with her just for a couple months 365 00:20:59,606 --> 00:21:01,347 before I was scouted to be a model 366 00:21:01,434 --> 00:21:03,218 and moved to New York City. 367 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:09,746 Jeffrey Epstein particularly targeted models. 368 00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:12,401 If you come to New York City and you want to be a model, 369 00:21:12,488 --> 00:21:15,361 being given an opportunity to meet a very powerful, 370 00:21:15,448 --> 00:21:18,102 very wealthy man who has connections... 371 00:21:18,189 --> 00:21:19,800 that's an opportunity that you wanna take. 372 00:21:21,541 --> 00:21:23,325 I was 19. 373 00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:26,633 I was in New York on my own, which was a scary place, 374 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,504 but I knew that I could do it. 375 00:21:28,591 --> 00:21:30,027 They had me cut my hair 376 00:21:30,114 --> 00:21:31,812 really short like "Rosemary's Baby," 377 00:21:31,899 --> 00:21:33,640 and it looked horrible. 378 00:21:33,727 --> 00:21:36,469 After that, they let me go. 379 00:21:36,556 --> 00:21:38,906 I had no money, and so I started working 380 00:21:38,993 --> 00:21:41,561 at The Coffee Shop as a hostess. 381 00:21:41,648 --> 00:21:45,086 The Coffee Shop was kind of a legendary establishment. 382 00:21:45,173 --> 00:21:47,741 They hired models and actresses, 383 00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:49,482 and that's when I met the recruiter. 384 00:21:51,092 --> 00:21:53,964 She was a young, beautiful blonde, 385 00:21:54,051 --> 00:21:55,444 and she was like, "Wow, you're really beautiful." 386 00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:58,752 And she said, "I actually wanted to talk to you 387 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:00,580 about an opportunity." 388 00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:03,104 She told me about this man that she worked for. 389 00:22:03,191 --> 00:22:05,149 She called him her client, 390 00:22:05,236 --> 00:22:08,370 and he likes to receive massages 391 00:22:08,457 --> 00:22:09,850 and he'll pay you several hundred dollars 392 00:22:09,937 --> 00:22:11,808 for 30 minutes. 393 00:22:11,895 --> 00:22:13,332 She just kept making it seem 394 00:22:13,419 --> 00:22:15,246 like a really great opportunity, 395 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:16,726 and it just kept sounding better and better. 396 00:22:16,813 --> 00:22:18,424 He has ties to the fashion industry. 397 00:22:18,511 --> 00:22:20,730 He's friends with a bunch of supermodels. 398 00:22:20,817 --> 00:22:22,906 I said, "Well, I don't have any massage experience." 399 00:22:22,993 --> 00:22:24,734 And she said, "It doesn't matter. 400 00:22:24,821 --> 00:22:26,475 You know, he just likes young, pretty girls." 401 00:22:28,259 --> 00:22:30,349 I was broke, and it sounded like an opportunity 402 00:22:30,436 --> 00:22:32,002 where he could help me if he liked me. 403 00:22:34,178 --> 00:22:37,094 I had an accident, and I had to get stitches on my chin. 404 00:22:37,181 --> 00:22:39,183 They didn't think I was a viable model, 405 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:41,621 and so they kicked me out of the modeling apartment. 406 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:44,667 It was kind of, like, in survival mode. 407 00:22:44,754 --> 00:22:46,582 A friend of mine at the time 408 00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:48,236 said that she wanted to introduce me 409 00:22:48,323 --> 00:22:50,369 to a friend of hers, that he was helping her 410 00:22:50,456 --> 00:22:53,328 pursuing her passion of being an artist. 411 00:22:53,415 --> 00:22:55,809 That happens every single day in New York. 412 00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:58,507 It's all about meeting people and hanging out. 413 00:22:58,594 --> 00:23:00,335 I really didn't think anything of it. 414 00:23:02,293 --> 00:23:05,209 We took the subway to the Upper East Side. 415 00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:07,386 I remember my friend saying that this guy 416 00:23:07,473 --> 00:23:10,214 lived in the largest townhouse in New York. 417 00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:12,739 The mansion on East 71st Street 418 00:23:12,826 --> 00:23:14,349 is one of the largest private residence 419 00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:15,872 in Manhattan. 420 00:23:17,874 --> 00:23:21,791 Very imperial, very kind of palace-like inside. 421 00:23:21,878 --> 00:23:23,532 It's like a museum, 422 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:25,447 but it was very dark and very dreary 423 00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:27,797 and just had this, like, really eerie feeling. 424 00:23:27,884 --> 00:23:29,756 I never got a good feeling there at all. 425 00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,975 And apparently there was a room by the front door 426 00:23:32,062 --> 00:23:33,977 with a surveillance system throughout the whole house 427 00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:36,110 so that things could be monitored and recorded. 428 00:23:36,197 --> 00:23:38,417 And it was monitoring everything... 429 00:23:38,504 --> 00:23:41,724 bathrooms, massage rooms, everyone's room. 430 00:23:41,811 --> 00:23:43,900 The entire mansion was being watched. 431 00:23:43,987 --> 00:23:46,076 This mansion had dozens of rooms. 432 00:23:46,163 --> 00:23:49,079 It was intended to intimidate people. 433 00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:51,734 "Alice in Wonderland" is, like, how I describe it. 434 00:23:51,821 --> 00:23:53,867 How do I know how to get out of that house? 435 00:23:53,954 --> 00:23:57,174 That house is huge, and it's a maze. 436 00:23:57,261 --> 00:23:59,916 Beneath the kind of glamour and the wealth, 437 00:24:00,003 --> 00:24:02,528 there was a very dark side to this property. 438 00:24:02,615 --> 00:24:04,573 Jeffrey was really particular about 439 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:08,142 who he was seen with, but he was not a very social person. 440 00:24:08,229 --> 00:24:11,319 He wasn't out in front of everybody with everything. 441 00:24:11,406 --> 00:24:13,930 He was very private. 442 00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:16,672 Jeffrey always wanted to meet women at his house. 443 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:20,589 They always came to his house, like, behind closed doors. 444 00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:27,161 The appointment was around 445 00:24:27,248 --> 00:24:29,250 11:00 or 12:00 in the afternoon. 446 00:24:31,861 --> 00:24:33,907 A maid answered the door. 447 00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:36,126 She could barely look me in the eye. 448 00:24:36,213 --> 00:24:38,302 She led me to an elevator 449 00:24:38,389 --> 00:24:40,391 where we went to the second floor. 450 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:43,873 I had never seen anything like that before in my life, 451 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,180 so I just went and sat down and I was super nervous. 452 00:24:46,267 --> 00:24:48,008 Finally, he walks in 453 00:24:48,095 --> 00:24:50,967 with a towel wrapped around his body. 454 00:24:51,054 --> 00:24:52,621 I didn't know where I was. 455 00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:53,927 I wasn't really paying attention 456 00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:55,276 walking into the house. 457 00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:56,320 After the maid had shut the door, 458 00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:57,844 I felt trapped. 459 00:24:59,628 --> 00:25:00,847 When Jeffrey Epstein entered the room, 460 00:25:00,934 --> 00:25:03,414 she knew she was trapped already. 461 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:06,679 She was terrified already. 462 00:25:06,766 --> 00:25:09,333 The conversation that he started with her 463 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:13,294 was to calm her down so he could get what he wanted. 464 00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:16,253 He asked me what my name was. 465 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:18,255 He asked me where I was from. 466 00:25:18,342 --> 00:25:20,170 I told him I was from Texas, and he was kind of tickled 467 00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:21,998 by it, but it seemed like business as usual for him. 468 00:25:23,783 --> 00:25:25,393 So he laid facedown on the massage table 469 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,092 where I very awkwardly began to massage him. 470 00:25:29,179 --> 00:25:30,790 I didn't know what I was doing, 471 00:25:30,877 --> 00:25:32,487 and I was like, "This guy is gonna hate this." 472 00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:36,883 He asked me to take my clothes off. 473 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:39,102 I was trembling. 474 00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:41,844 I was so scared, and I took my clothes off. 475 00:25:43,716 --> 00:25:47,502 He began to touch me... 476 00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:49,243 aggressively. 477 00:25:51,071 --> 00:25:54,727 And it quickly turned into an assault. 478 00:25:58,165 --> 00:26:00,994 I distinctly remember him smiling 479 00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:03,474 and enjoying the fact that he was doing 480 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:07,740 this horrible thing to me that obviously terrified me 481 00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:10,699 and was violating me, 482 00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:12,875 but he was somehow getting off on that. 483 00:26:16,749 --> 00:26:19,186 She knew that she had 484 00:26:19,273 --> 00:26:24,234 to either fight, run, or freeze. 485 00:26:24,321 --> 00:26:26,802 Those are the three human responses 486 00:26:26,889 --> 00:26:28,412 to that perceived sense of danger. 487 00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:32,112 She froze. 488 00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:37,596 Jeffrey came in, and he, like, interviews me. 489 00:26:37,683 --> 00:26:40,076 "What are your interests? Where do you live? 490 00:26:40,163 --> 00:26:42,426 I like to help young people. I'm helping your friend here." 491 00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:44,559 And she's looking at me and looking all coy 492 00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:45,734 'cause she's sitting next to me. 493 00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:50,217 My friend initiated the assault, 494 00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:54,134 and that continued with him participating in it as well. 495 00:26:55,831 --> 00:26:58,355 It's like all of reality just kind of fell away. 496 00:26:58,442 --> 00:27:02,142 I just kind of froze, 497 00:27:02,229 --> 00:27:04,405 and I just complied. 498 00:27:07,147 --> 00:27:11,020 They have to do literally what they have to do 499 00:27:11,107 --> 00:27:14,067 to get out of the moment and keep their life intact 500 00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:17,505 because the fear is at a mortal level, 501 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:21,422 and the damage of that trauma continues into their lives 502 00:27:21,509 --> 00:27:22,945 from that point forward. 503 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:26,993 I had never had a sexual experience before. 504 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,258 I was 19, and that was my introduction 505 00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:34,304 to any intimate experience. 506 00:27:35,697 --> 00:27:38,482 He handed me the money, $200, 507 00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:40,833 and that was it. 508 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,399 He left. 509 00:27:42,486 --> 00:27:44,314 The maid came back a couple minutes later, 510 00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:46,621 and she led me out. 511 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:48,057 I couldn't figure out what had just hap... 512 00:27:48,144 --> 00:27:50,625 I was so confused. 513 00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:52,801 What just happened? 514 00:27:55,369 --> 00:27:57,588 I called my mom just bawling in tears. 515 00:27:57,676 --> 00:27:59,808 I said, "You have to come get me now. 516 00:27:59,895 --> 00:28:02,376 You have to get me. I can't be here anymore." 517 00:28:02,463 --> 00:28:05,466 And I was home. 518 00:28:06,946 --> 00:28:08,469 But it didn't feel like home 519 00:28:08,556 --> 00:28:10,340 because I wasn't the same person anymore. 520 00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:16,651 When you traditionally think of rape, 521 00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:19,045 you think of someone coming in with, like, you know, 522 00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:21,569 a ski mask on holding a knife to you, 523 00:28:21,656 --> 00:28:23,789 tying you up, and raping you. 524 00:28:23,876 --> 00:28:25,704 You don't think of manipulation. 525 00:28:27,531 --> 00:28:29,882 And I remember my friend clearly saying to me, 526 00:28:29,969 --> 00:28:32,406 "Oh, that was so much fun. We should do that again." 527 00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:36,018 And she went on, and he really liked me... 528 00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:38,238 she could tell... like she was grooming me 529 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,109 to go back. 530 00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:48,988 After a young woman was abused by Jeffrey Epstein, 531 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:50,816 she would leave the house, and she would be called 532 00:28:50,903 --> 00:28:52,774 by one of Jeffrey's assistants 533 00:28:52,861 --> 00:28:54,645 and asked, "Hey, do you wanna come back again? 534 00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,648 Mr. Epstein really liked you. He wants to see you again." 535 00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:00,434 And he was able to use this process 536 00:29:00,521 --> 00:29:02,697 to feel out their comfort level. 537 00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:10,618 Sexual predators cast their net widely. 538 00:29:10,705 --> 00:29:12,838 They have a pattern of behavior, 539 00:29:12,925 --> 00:29:15,492 and a type that they're looking for. 540 00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:18,539 Some of them will have enough ego strength 541 00:29:18,626 --> 00:29:23,109 or something in their lives that allows them to escape, 542 00:29:23,196 --> 00:29:26,242 not be swept in, and the ones that do get swept in 543 00:29:26,329 --> 00:29:29,332 are the ones that have psychological, 544 00:29:29,419 --> 00:29:32,596 environmental vulnerabilities. 545 00:29:32,683 --> 00:29:34,337 If you're abused, if you're neglected, 546 00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:40,474 and those are the individuals that he exploited. 547 00:29:49,265 --> 00:29:51,093 Epstein's property portfolio 548 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:53,269 wasn't just about showing off his wealth 549 00:29:53,356 --> 00:29:55,576 and being ostentatious. 550 00:29:55,663 --> 00:29:58,753 It allowed him to have private bases in areas 551 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,234 where he could conduct his sex trafficking operation. 552 00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:03,976 So having a place in Florida, 553 00:30:04,063 --> 00:30:07,370 New York, Paris, in New Mexico, 554 00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:09,677 gave him another layer of privacy, 555 00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:11,070 another layer of secrecy 556 00:30:11,157 --> 00:30:12,723 so that he could carry on what he's doing. 557 00:30:18,251 --> 00:30:22,733 Jeffrey had bought this ranch in New Mexico... 558 00:30:24,387 --> 00:30:26,085 And he'd named El Zorro. 559 00:30:30,654 --> 00:30:34,267 Ghislaine's nickname for him at the time was Silverado. 560 00:30:37,487 --> 00:30:41,274 "Silverado, Silverado, urban cowboy, desperado." 561 00:30:47,236 --> 00:30:50,500 Zorro Ranch is this vast holding... 562 00:30:50,587 --> 00:30:54,026 10,000 acres in southern Santa Fe County. 563 00:30:54,113 --> 00:30:58,813 Part of that 10,000 acres were 1,200 state-owned land. 564 00:31:01,816 --> 00:31:05,515 I'm the commissioner of public lands in New Mexico. 565 00:31:05,602 --> 00:31:07,648 So if you look back in the history 566 00:31:07,735 --> 00:31:10,477 of how this land was acquired by Jeffrey Epstein, 567 00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:14,263 you'll see these big, political names pop up. 568 00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:18,180 Jeffrey Epstein was giving contributions 569 00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:21,140 not only to the top decision makers, 570 00:31:21,227 --> 00:31:26,406 but at all levels of government even in the sheriff's race. 571 00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:31,367 What was striking about going back 572 00:31:31,454 --> 00:31:33,935 through the documents is that even after 573 00:31:34,022 --> 00:31:37,896 Jeffrey Epstein was arrested, these leases were renewed 574 00:31:37,983 --> 00:31:39,332 by previous commissioners. 575 00:31:43,466 --> 00:31:46,556 I'm the first woman that's ever held this position, 576 00:31:46,643 --> 00:31:49,646 and, to me, that's significant because I look 577 00:31:49,733 --> 00:31:52,519 through a different lens than my predecessors did. 578 00:31:52,606 --> 00:31:54,216 To know that people look the other way 579 00:31:54,303 --> 00:31:57,567 and allowed it to continue is devastating to me. 580 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:03,965 Jeffrey Epstein essentially had an island 581 00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:06,446 within the state of New Mexico. 582 00:32:06,533 --> 00:32:09,014 If you talk with some of the folks who did work 583 00:32:09,101 --> 00:32:11,320 during the construction, they talk about 584 00:32:11,407 --> 00:32:13,975 how secretive everything was, how they had to be escorted 585 00:32:14,062 --> 00:32:15,890 everywhere they went. 586 00:32:15,977 --> 00:32:17,457 There are many stories about that veil of secrecy. 587 00:32:19,633 --> 00:32:21,461 - Somebody like - Jeffrey Epstein... 588 00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:25,030 the whole process was designed to evade detection. 589 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:31,123 Every single successful sexual predator 590 00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:33,952 is successful because the way 591 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,171 that they manipulate, 592 00:32:36,258 --> 00:32:38,478 the way that they pull the strings. 593 00:32:40,871 --> 00:32:42,961 Jeffrey always wanted to meet more women. 594 00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:44,571 It was always about meeting more women. 595 00:32:44,658 --> 00:32:46,399 Some of them were on the level that I was on. 596 00:32:46,486 --> 00:32:48,140 Some of them were on the massage level, 597 00:32:48,227 --> 00:32:49,837 and I think he was testing some of them 598 00:32:49,924 --> 00:32:53,101 for the deeper level that we've now come to know. 599 00:32:57,714 --> 00:33:00,587 I was born in Santa Fe, New Mexico. 600 00:33:02,502 --> 00:33:05,505 My parents were divorced when I was four years old. 601 00:33:07,594 --> 00:33:11,641 It was a tumultuous childhood, and I was rebellious, 602 00:33:11,728 --> 00:33:13,252 acting out. 603 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:15,515 Lost my virginity when I was young. 604 00:33:15,602 --> 00:33:18,257 I started running away when I was 13 years old 605 00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:22,391 probably seeking some attention. 606 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,179 As an adult, didn't really know what I wanted. 607 00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:31,531 And I went to massage school. 608 00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:39,147 He targeted industries in which he could use 609 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:42,759 the nature of the job to get what he wanted. 610 00:33:44,979 --> 00:33:48,113 He knew that to manipulate the situation 611 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,854 into a sexual relationship 612 00:33:50,941 --> 00:33:52,856 that he didn't have to start from square one. 613 00:33:52,943 --> 00:33:55,685 He could start with a massage with touching. 614 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,820 You're recruited by somebody who's a real masseuse, 615 00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,866 and it looks like there's a massage table, 616 00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:05,695 and it slowly evolves. 617 00:34:08,524 --> 00:34:10,918 Massage school, it was a really great 618 00:34:11,005 --> 00:34:12,180 turning point in my life. 619 00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:14,269 I did a lot of growing up. 620 00:34:14,356 --> 00:34:16,228 I wasn't running away and on the streets 621 00:34:16,315 --> 00:34:18,665 and trying to survive. 622 00:34:18,752 --> 00:34:21,711 As a massage therapist, it put me 623 00:34:21,798 --> 00:34:25,237 in a very positive place in my life. 624 00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:29,502 During massage school, I met a massage therapist. 625 00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:32,374 She had a practice, and she was contracting 626 00:34:32,461 --> 00:34:36,074 other therapists to do the work for her. 627 00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:39,338 She has a clientele that was a little more discerning 628 00:34:39,425 --> 00:34:41,818 and that she thought that I was a good fit for it. 629 00:34:43,516 --> 00:34:46,214 So she contracted me to go to Zorro Ranch. 630 00:34:51,611 --> 00:34:54,788 When I first went out there, I massaged Ghislaine. 631 00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:57,530 She made sure that I knew her name 632 00:34:57,617 --> 00:34:59,532 and how to pronounce it correctly. 633 00:35:00,968 --> 00:35:03,449 She had this teacup Yorkie. 634 00:35:03,536 --> 00:35:06,408 She says, "This is Max, short for Maxwell." 635 00:35:06,495 --> 00:35:07,801 And she picks him up 636 00:35:07,888 --> 00:35:10,804 and smothers his face with kisses. 637 00:35:10,891 --> 00:35:13,589 Ghislaine was very intimidating to me 638 00:35:13,676 --> 00:35:16,026 'cause I knew we'd come from complete different worlds. 639 00:35:17,854 --> 00:35:20,901 She disrobed and plopped on my table. 640 00:35:22,642 --> 00:35:24,948 I was trying to cover her with the towel, you know, 641 00:35:25,035 --> 00:35:27,647 and do all the proper draping techniques. 642 00:35:27,734 --> 00:35:30,128 She had no modesty, 643 00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:32,956 but she liked my massage. 644 00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:36,482 She wanted me to come back. 645 00:35:36,569 --> 00:35:38,048 Then I massaged Jeffrey. 646 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,188 Zorro Ranch, it's about a 40 minute drive 647 00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:49,886 from Santa Fe, and it's a beautiful drive. 648 00:35:49,973 --> 00:35:51,279 I was really excited. 649 00:35:52,889 --> 00:35:55,153 It's very private, very secluded. 650 00:35:57,198 --> 00:35:59,679 And then you drive a quarter of a mile. 651 00:35:59,766 --> 00:36:02,769 You can see stables. 652 00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:05,206 Then you drive two or three miles 653 00:36:05,293 --> 00:36:06,990 to the main house. 654 00:36:07,077 --> 00:36:09,079 It was enormous. 655 00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:15,085 The massage room was in a downstairs area 656 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,262 with a gym and then a massage table 657 00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:20,003 off to the side, and then double doors 658 00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:21,831 that opened into a indoor pool. 659 00:36:23,398 --> 00:36:27,446 Very luxurious. That impressed me. 660 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:29,839 These people were big, big-time. 661 00:36:31,319 --> 00:36:33,103 And then he came in. 662 00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:38,979 He was very intimidating to me, 663 00:36:39,066 --> 00:36:42,243 but, you know, I tried to be as professional as I could. 664 00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:44,289 I asked him if he had any outstanding areas 665 00:36:44,376 --> 00:36:46,334 that he wanted me to work on and he said, 666 00:36:46,421 --> 00:36:48,467 "We'll massage my feet," 667 00:36:48,554 --> 00:36:49,990 and then he just started asking me, 668 00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:52,949 "Oh, can you do my psoas muscle?" 669 00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:54,864 Which is more closer to the groin. 670 00:36:56,518 --> 00:36:58,346 Before I really even had a chance 671 00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:00,130 to, like, think about it, 672 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:03,395 he proceeded to... 673 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,182 Pleasure himself... 674 00:37:08,269 --> 00:37:11,316 and before I knew it, he had already released himself. 675 00:37:19,802 --> 00:37:22,762 I felt like he just disrespected my art. 676 00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,593 I was just kind of like, "Ugh, God." 677 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,855 I was just like... 678 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,381 "He's just a rich, eccentric weirdo 679 00:37:33,468 --> 00:37:35,905 and wants to do whatever he wants to do." 680 00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:43,173 And... 681 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:45,219 yeah, there was... he wiped himself off, 682 00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:46,873 and he said, "Okay, see you next time." 683 00:37:58,014 --> 00:37:59,799 There was some events that happened 684 00:37:59,886 --> 00:38:01,540 when I was, like, six years old... 685 00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:05,065 childhood sexual abuse at the hands 686 00:38:05,152 --> 00:38:07,589 of a teenage boy, 18 years old. 687 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:11,071 I did not speak out. 688 00:38:11,158 --> 00:38:13,682 I didn't have the vocabulary for that... 689 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:18,818 But it happened again, and then the second time 690 00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:20,646 it happened, it hit me harder. 691 00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:22,778 It was like, "I'm not making this up. 692 00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:25,085 I promise, this happened to me." 693 00:38:25,172 --> 00:38:26,913 I was like, "Who's here to protect me?" 694 00:38:29,263 --> 00:38:31,221 So it just was never dealt with, you know? 695 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:34,703 It was just secret upon secret upon secret. 696 00:38:37,663 --> 00:38:40,883 A person who comes from a place where you were abused 697 00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:43,190 by your uncle, by your stepfather, 698 00:38:43,277 --> 00:38:44,713 by your mother's boyfriend, 699 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,236 then that's your view of the world... 700 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:49,283 that you are essentially 701 00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:52,025 a body that an adult male 702 00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:54,723 can use for his own pleasure. 703 00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:57,335 They were called over for a massage. 704 00:38:57,422 --> 00:39:00,903 It became a sexual assault. You know, what else is new? 705 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,996 The next time that I massaged Jeffrey, 706 00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:09,738 it got a little more intense. 707 00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:13,307 He started asking me to take my shirt off. 708 00:39:15,004 --> 00:39:17,964 You know, he wanted me to rub oil on myself. 709 00:39:19,139 --> 00:39:20,749 And I really didn't want to. 710 00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:26,102 I felt pressured. 711 00:39:26,189 --> 00:39:28,714 I felt, "Oh, if I don't do it, 712 00:39:28,801 --> 00:39:30,411 then he's not gonna want me back." 713 00:39:31,978 --> 00:39:34,589 I just allowed it to happen. 714 00:39:39,855 --> 00:39:42,945 I felt shame, so much shame about it, 715 00:39:43,032 --> 00:39:45,600 but there was that switch that I was able 716 00:39:45,687 --> 00:39:47,472 to turn on and off. 717 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,952 I think that was engrained in me. 718 00:39:57,264 --> 00:39:58,918 There are many different reasons 719 00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:01,616 why people go back. 720 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,707 The one thing that they all have in common 721 00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:09,319 is a really broken ego structure. 722 00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:15,413 They don't have the ability to read themselves 723 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,110 or the situation correctly 724 00:40:17,197 --> 00:40:18,459 because they've never been taught. 725 00:40:21,984 --> 00:40:23,551 It was almost like I was, 726 00:40:23,638 --> 00:40:25,423 like, that 6-year-old girl again. 727 00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:29,339 Nobody believed me then, 728 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,298 but are they gonna believe me now? 729 00:40:39,654 --> 00:40:41,221 So I kept it a secret. 730 00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:49,011 It's like a weight that you wear your whole life 731 00:40:49,098 --> 00:40:53,842 that allows you to be subjected 732 00:40:53,929 --> 00:40:56,497 to more abuse. 733 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,294 I blamed myself for making the wrong choices, 734 00:41:11,381 --> 00:41:15,255 but it's easy to be lured 735 00:41:15,342 --> 00:41:18,954 by money, promises, 736 00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:22,218 and to have your sense of what's right and wrong 737 00:41:22,305 --> 00:41:25,570 dulled when you've got all these sparkly things 738 00:41:25,657 --> 00:41:27,354 in front of you. 739 00:41:28,529 --> 00:41:32,315 It's easy to be manipulated 740 00:41:32,402 --> 00:41:37,364 by a very powerful man. 741 00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:42,978 A number of the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein 742 00:41:43,065 --> 00:41:45,590 had endured some type of sexual trauma 743 00:41:45,677 --> 00:41:48,375 as children prior to ever having met him, 744 00:41:48,462 --> 00:41:50,812 and that's a particular vulnerability 745 00:41:50,899 --> 00:41:53,859 that can be detected by somebody 746 00:41:53,946 --> 00:41:55,774 who's as masterful of a manipulator 747 00:41:55,861 --> 00:41:57,297 as Jeffrey Epstein. 748 00:41:59,691 --> 00:42:01,344 Jeffrey wasn't my first trafficker. 749 00:42:01,431 --> 00:42:03,259 He wasn't my first abuser. 750 00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:06,611 My childhood was stolen from me. 751 00:42:09,918 --> 00:42:12,573 Beginning three days after my eighth birthday, 752 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:16,664 I was first sexually assaulted, 753 00:42:16,751 --> 00:42:20,276 and that happened repeatedly for a long time. 754 00:42:22,148 --> 00:42:25,760 I learned back then that you just kind of 755 00:42:25,847 --> 00:42:27,240 suffer through it. 756 00:42:27,327 --> 00:42:29,242 You suffer in silence. 757 00:42:31,897 --> 00:42:34,508 Growing up with that experience, 758 00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:37,555 it definitely set me up for being there 759 00:42:37,642 --> 00:42:39,165 in Jeffrey's office 760 00:42:39,252 --> 00:42:40,949 pretending like it's not happening. 761 00:42:43,386 --> 00:42:46,433 I got to a point in life where I felt like... 762 00:42:47,695 --> 00:42:49,262 This is what happens to you. 763 00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:53,527 This is what you're here for. 764 00:42:55,921 --> 00:42:59,446 Like, I'm that object to be used. 765 00:43:13,982 --> 00:43:17,812 I came from a very unprivileged life. 766 00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,425 Even when we were in a home, 767 00:43:22,512 --> 00:43:24,166 men in and out of the house... 768 00:43:26,212 --> 00:43:29,432 You know, various levels of abuse... 769 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,652 physically, sexually. 770 00:43:33,523 --> 00:43:36,831 I was in survival mode from a very young age. 771 00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:39,486 I just wanted to be away from it all. 772 00:43:46,841 --> 00:43:49,757 I moved in with my cousin in Hollywood. 773 00:43:49,844 --> 00:43:53,195 The transition to L.A. was complete life switch. 774 00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:58,636 I was surrounded by celebrities, 775 00:43:58,723 --> 00:44:00,942 models, and directors. 776 00:44:01,029 --> 00:44:02,944 One of the parties I was at one night, 777 00:44:03,031 --> 00:44:06,252 this man, Gypsy, comes walking up to me. 778 00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:09,734 He told me that he was this massage guru to the stars. 779 00:44:09,821 --> 00:44:12,562 He's drawn to my energy, but I was holding back. 780 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,434 You know, I had blocks. 781 00:44:14,521 --> 00:44:17,263 Gypsy felt like someone who was gonna help heal me. 782 00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:19,395 And I really needed it. 783 00:44:21,093 --> 00:44:22,485 Through that, it became a conversation 784 00:44:22,572 --> 00:44:23,878 of, well, why don't you learn the trade? 785 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,403 And so, one day, Gypsy had said 786 00:44:27,490 --> 00:44:29,536 that he had this regular client, 787 00:44:29,623 --> 00:44:31,930 a socialite from New York 788 00:44:32,017 --> 00:44:33,714 and that he wanted me to meet her 789 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,717 and come along for the appointment. 790 00:44:36,804 --> 00:44:38,893 We met her one day at the Four Seasons Hotel 791 00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:39,894 in Beverly Hills. 792 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:43,898 Ghislaine was very charming. 793 00:44:43,985 --> 00:44:45,639 She was talking to me so much, 794 00:44:45,726 --> 00:44:48,163 asked me a gazillion questions about myself. 795 00:44:50,296 --> 00:44:52,428 Sexual predators bring women into their life, 796 00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:55,127 and they make them feel cared about 797 00:44:55,214 --> 00:44:58,739 or beautiful or accomplished or interesting. 798 00:44:58,826 --> 00:45:03,788 That positive regard is the most intoxicating thing. 799 00:45:07,879 --> 00:45:11,578 She called Gypsy to ask if I would want to be hired 800 00:45:11,665 --> 00:45:13,667 as a masseuse at her Palm Beach residence 801 00:45:13,754 --> 00:45:15,060 for the weekend. 802 00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:16,714 I wasn't even certified yet. 803 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:22,284 Gypsy was just very adamant that I should go. 804 00:45:22,371 --> 00:45:24,765 He ended up convincing me that it would be okay. 805 00:45:30,902 --> 00:45:32,512 I met Ghislaine 806 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,296 at a little private airport in Santa Monica. 807 00:45:34,383 --> 00:45:36,298 Got in a jet and flew to Palm Beach. 808 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:41,521 Because I was kind of submerged 809 00:45:41,608 --> 00:45:44,263 in the Hollywood scene already, 810 00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:47,179 it wasn't that abnormal for people with money 811 00:45:47,266 --> 00:45:50,138 to do outlandish things like that... 812 00:45:50,225 --> 00:45:52,401 to hire someone and fly them somewhere. 813 00:45:52,488 --> 00:45:55,927 None of it seemed out of the ordinary at first. 814 00:45:56,014 --> 00:45:58,146 I felt like they thought that I was something special. 815 00:46:00,322 --> 00:46:03,021 We drive to their mansion. 816 00:46:03,108 --> 00:46:04,544 On the way there, she points out 817 00:46:04,631 --> 00:46:05,632 that Donald Trump's a neighbor. 818 00:46:07,329 --> 00:46:09,244 She says, "With my partner Jeffrey, 819 00:46:09,331 --> 00:46:11,246 just do whatever he wants, and you'll be fine." 820 00:46:13,205 --> 00:46:15,033 One of their assistants met me at the door... 821 00:46:17,949 --> 00:46:19,907 And she led me down the hallway 822 00:46:19,994 --> 00:46:22,910 to this giant bathroom 823 00:46:22,997 --> 00:46:24,825 where a massage table was laid out. 824 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,090 I got it all set up, 825 00:46:29,177 --> 00:46:31,092 and as soon as I had the sheets on the table, 826 00:46:33,051 --> 00:46:35,401 This man comes waltzing into the room 827 00:46:35,488 --> 00:46:39,579 and drops his robe and says, "Hi, I'm Jeffrey," and... 828 00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,234 ...gets on the table. 829 00:46:44,671 --> 00:46:47,500 And sort of, like, halfway through the massage, 830 00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:51,243 he flipped over onto his back and asked if I minded 831 00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:52,287 if he touched himself. 832 00:46:58,163 --> 00:47:01,253 You know, because I had come from a background of abuse, 833 00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:03,821 when he asked me if he could touch himself, 834 00:47:03,908 --> 00:47:07,346 you know, I basically just said sure, 835 00:47:07,433 --> 00:47:10,697 because I didn't know what else to say or do. 836 00:47:10,784 --> 00:47:13,482 I didn't know how to say no. 837 00:47:13,569 --> 00:47:15,745 I didn't know how to say that I'm not okay with that. 838 00:47:20,315 --> 00:47:21,751 Your brain is trying to say, 839 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:22,883 "I don't understand what happened." 840 00:47:24,189 --> 00:47:25,843 You find yourself in circumstances 841 00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:27,409 over and over again where the same dynamics are there, 842 00:47:27,496 --> 00:47:28,976 the same circumstances there. 843 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:32,850 Reenactment is an attempt to understand 844 00:47:32,937 --> 00:47:34,373 the sexual abuse, 845 00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:36,505 and the reenactments tend to be 846 00:47:36,592 --> 00:47:39,073 specific reproductions of that earlier event 847 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,727 that the mind is trying to comprehend. 848 00:47:47,952 --> 00:47:49,562 Jeffrey told me to come over here, 849 00:47:49,649 --> 00:47:51,390 and he pushed me down, 850 00:47:51,477 --> 00:47:54,741 forced oral sex on me right there, and, um... 851 00:47:56,569 --> 00:48:00,007 Part of the sexual abuse that I experienced as a kid, 852 00:48:00,094 --> 00:48:03,010 a man I knew used to force oral sex on me 853 00:48:03,097 --> 00:48:05,012 kind of in the same demeanor. 854 00:48:07,710 --> 00:48:09,234 I would pretend like I was asleep 855 00:48:09,321 --> 00:48:11,671 to make it go away in my head, 856 00:48:11,758 --> 00:48:14,239 and, you know, even in that moment, 857 00:48:14,326 --> 00:48:17,024 I remember the same thing. 858 00:48:17,111 --> 00:48:21,115 Like, just almost pretending like I wasn't there 859 00:48:25,685 --> 00:48:28,818 I was in this state of wanting to befriend the bad guy 860 00:48:28,906 --> 00:48:31,560 because that's what I always did with him. 861 00:48:31,647 --> 00:48:34,128 If I was on his good side, he wouldn't hurt me. 862 00:48:38,306 --> 00:48:40,439 It's almost like something takes over you 863 00:48:40,526 --> 00:48:43,007 inside your body... not knowing what to do 864 00:48:43,094 --> 00:48:44,573 and just following through the motions. 865 00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:48,490 There was no love or compassion or empathy 866 00:48:48,577 --> 00:48:49,839 in that man's heart whatsoever. 867 00:48:55,323 --> 00:48:58,022 My mind was just going crazy with what just happened. 868 00:48:59,762 --> 00:49:01,677 There were so many questions I had in my head, 869 00:49:01,764 --> 00:49:05,116 but I certainly wasn't gonna go, you know, 870 00:49:05,203 --> 00:49:06,682 tell Ghislaine or the assistant. 871 00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:10,599 I had that mentality of, like, you know, 872 00:49:10,686 --> 00:49:12,079 if you don't talk about it, it didn't happen. 873 00:49:13,472 --> 00:49:15,343 And after that encounter, 874 00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:17,824 Ghislaine actually flew back to L.A. 875 00:49:17,911 --> 00:49:21,262 and proceeded to book appointments with me. 876 00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:23,003 I had no reason to think 877 00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:25,527 that she had anything to do with anything. 878 00:49:25,614 --> 00:49:28,791 I already had this feeling of not wanting to disappoint her 879 00:49:28,878 --> 00:49:30,793 for whatever reason. 880 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,057 She invited me back out to Palm Beach again. 881 00:49:35,363 --> 00:49:37,061 I thought we were staying there the weekend 882 00:49:37,148 --> 00:49:39,411 like I had the first time, but they told me 883 00:49:39,498 --> 00:49:41,891 that we were actually flying to his island 884 00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:45,460 in the Caribbean and taking his big plane. 885 00:49:48,202 --> 00:49:50,074 That was certainly shocking. 886 00:49:50,161 --> 00:49:51,771 Like, I had never seen an airplane like that before. 887 00:49:51,858 --> 00:49:53,207 I mean, it was like Air Force One. 888 00:49:55,905 --> 00:50:00,432 Bedroom, kitchen, screen room, living, sitting area, 889 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:03,870 and I was like, "Okay, wow, this is a plane. 890 00:50:06,264 --> 00:50:09,267 They got distracted by the persona 891 00:50:09,354 --> 00:50:12,531 of wealth and privilege and luxuries and niceties 892 00:50:12,618 --> 00:50:14,402 and look where you are 893 00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:16,143 and look who you're hobnobbing with. 894 00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:20,017 And that inner voice has to get loud enough 895 00:50:20,104 --> 00:50:21,540 for that to be uncomfortable enough 896 00:50:21,627 --> 00:50:23,237 for them to say, "Wait a minute. 897 00:50:23,324 --> 00:50:25,326 "I don't think this is right. 898 00:50:25,413 --> 00:50:26,936 "I gotta get the hell out of here. 899 00:50:28,155 --> 00:50:29,591 I can't." 900 00:50:29,678 --> 00:50:32,420 I definitely had to do some self talk... 901 00:50:32,507 --> 00:50:35,858 that, "What if he tries to hurt me?" 902 00:50:35,945 --> 00:50:38,078 I thought, "Well, this time I'll be better prepared, 903 00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:40,080 and I'll be able to say no." 904 00:50:40,167 --> 00:50:42,343 Or even, you know, I had this blind hope 905 00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:44,171 that maybe he just wouldn't do it again. 76326

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