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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,345 --> 00:00:44,653 It's still something that I'm getting used to... 2 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:47,047 the term "survivor." 3 00:00:47,134 --> 00:00:51,529 This is a way to face my fears. 4 00:00:51,616 --> 00:00:54,619 I felt like 5 00:00:54,706 --> 00:00:56,447 I could keep it a secret, and it was. 6 00:00:56,534 --> 00:00:58,232 It was my dirty little secret. 7 00:00:58,319 --> 00:01:00,277 I didn't want to share this with anybody. 8 00:01:00,364 --> 00:01:02,192 I would have taken this to my grave. 9 00:01:02,279 --> 00:01:04,499 Being abused by Jeffrey Epstein 10 00:01:04,586 --> 00:01:07,893 had a toll on the rest of my life. 11 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:11,810 The trauma that I endured from him is a life sentence. 12 00:01:11,897 --> 00:01:14,117 Mark. 13 00:01:14,204 --> 00:01:15,336 - Tape two. - Marker. 14 00:01:15,423 --> 00:01:17,947 Every day is unpredictable. 15 00:01:18,034 --> 00:01:19,731 One day it can be okay, and the next day, 16 00:01:19,818 --> 00:01:21,733 it's just brutal. 17 00:01:21,820 --> 00:01:24,345 Today, we announced the unsealing 18 00:01:24,432 --> 00:01:27,609 of sex trafficking charges against Jeffrey Epstein. 19 00:01:27,696 --> 00:01:30,655 Epstein allegedly abused dozens of minors 20 00:01:30,742 --> 00:01:33,223 at his homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach, Florida. 21 00:01:33,310 --> 00:01:36,008 He was completely obsessed with young girls 22 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:38,098 and sex with them. 23 00:01:38,185 --> 00:01:40,056 Prosecutors are now looking to properties 24 00:01:40,143 --> 00:01:41,536 in New Mexico and the Caribbean. 25 00:01:41,623 --> 00:01:43,103 - The charges detail - Epstein's scheme 26 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:45,540 to systematically create the vast network 27 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:47,803 of underage girls to abuse. 28 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:51,285 Jeffrey had a particularly elaborate seduction system. 29 00:01:51,372 --> 00:01:53,591 He had women around him 30 00:01:53,678 --> 00:01:58,466 that he trained to understand what he was looking for. 31 00:01:58,553 --> 00:02:01,338 He always had you introduce friends 32 00:02:01,425 --> 00:02:03,123 and the friends introduce more friends. 33 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:04,733 There was times where I brought 34 00:02:04,820 --> 00:02:06,952 two and three girls in a day. 35 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:09,216 The recruiters put themselves in places 36 00:02:09,303 --> 00:02:12,132 where they would find young, 37 00:02:12,219 --> 00:02:14,699 innocent potential victims 38 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:16,223 who were malleable. 39 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:18,747 I call it a pyramid scheme, 40 00:02:18,834 --> 00:02:20,444 and the pyramid scheme started with 41 00:02:20,531 --> 00:02:23,360 Jeffrey and Ghislaine Maxwell. 42 00:02:23,447 --> 00:02:26,146 Ghislaine was fantastically charming. 43 00:02:26,233 --> 00:02:29,497 Her British accent and her connections 44 00:02:29,584 --> 00:02:33,022 served her well in recruiting young girls. 45 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:35,677 I genuinely thought that she really did care about me, 46 00:02:35,764 --> 00:02:37,896 and so it was a giant blow to learn 47 00:02:37,983 --> 00:02:40,247 that she was in on all of it. 48 00:02:40,334 --> 00:02:44,425 They knew exactly how to pull you in to trust them. 49 00:02:44,512 --> 00:02:46,775 I went from one person to the next 50 00:02:46,862 --> 00:02:49,560 just like a human baton being passed along. 51 00:02:49,647 --> 00:02:53,434 He groomed me to be a personal sex slave 52 00:02:53,521 --> 00:02:56,654 that brought him underage girls. 53 00:02:56,741 --> 00:02:58,178 What is it that you were told you would have to do? 54 00:03:00,441 --> 00:03:02,573 By the time of the sexual assault, 55 00:03:02,660 --> 00:03:04,053 they were tricked. 56 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:05,968 I really didn't want to. 57 00:03:06,055 --> 00:03:08,188 I don't know. 58 00:03:08,275 --> 00:03:10,973 The more I kept trying to resist, 59 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:12,931 the more fun he was having. 60 00:03:13,018 --> 00:03:15,673 As soon as he reached for me, I was already frozen. 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,371 I was 14. 62 00:03:17,458 --> 00:03:19,634 I was never the same after that. 63 00:03:19,721 --> 00:03:21,157 Some breaking news right now. 64 00:03:21,244 --> 00:03:23,072 Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein 65 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:25,988 has taken his own life while he was behind bars. 66 00:03:26,075 --> 00:03:29,383 I was just really angry at how this could have happened. 67 00:03:29,470 --> 00:03:32,081 This guy has never been held accountable 68 00:03:32,168 --> 00:03:33,604 for anything he's done. 69 00:03:33,691 --> 00:03:36,694 He wins every time. 70 00:03:36,781 --> 00:03:39,828 Any co-conspirators should not rest easy. 71 00:03:39,915 --> 00:03:42,134 The victims deserve justice, 72 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:44,572 and they will get it. 73 00:03:44,659 --> 00:03:46,356 You kinda want to ask Ghislaine, 74 00:03:46,443 --> 00:03:48,750 "What the hell were you thinking?" 75 00:03:48,837 --> 00:03:50,665 These young women need to be believed. 76 00:03:50,752 --> 00:03:52,971 When they told their story to the police, 77 00:03:53,058 --> 00:03:54,495 nobody did anything about it. 78 00:03:54,582 --> 00:03:55,496 Their voices didn't have value. 79 00:03:55,583 --> 00:03:57,324 That has to change. 80 00:03:57,411 --> 00:04:01,023 I just gotta dig deep and take back my power 81 00:04:01,110 --> 00:04:03,243 'cause that's the only way I'm gonna heal. 82 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:04,853 I'm not a young girl anymore. 83 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:06,550 I'm gonna fight back. 84 00:04:06,637 --> 00:04:08,073 I'm just gonna keep on speaking the truth. 85 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,771 We need to get to the bottom 86 00:04:09,858 --> 00:04:11,860 of everybody who was involved with that. 87 00:04:11,947 --> 00:04:14,732 The truth has a funny way of showing its head 88 00:04:14,819 --> 00:04:17,213 and I'm not stopping till it does. 89 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:19,694 - The FBI arrested - Ghislaine Maxwell 90 00:04:19,781 --> 00:04:22,697 around 8:30 this morning in Bedford, New Hampshire. 91 00:04:22,784 --> 00:04:25,613 They say she helped the now-dead millionaire 92 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:27,745 sex traffic young girls, abuse them, 93 00:04:27,832 --> 00:04:30,574 some as young as 14 years old. 94 00:04:30,661 --> 00:04:33,229 - I mean, it's so dark. - He's dead. 95 00:04:33,316 --> 00:04:35,449 He's mysterious. 96 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:39,540 People like myths. People don't like truth. 97 00:04:39,627 --> 00:04:42,847 But the survivors have a story to tell. 98 00:04:59,211 --> 00:05:00,474 It was, like, the summer of going 99 00:05:00,561 --> 00:05:02,519 from eighth to ninth grade. 100 00:05:02,606 --> 00:05:05,130 I had braces on half of my teeth. 101 00:05:05,217 --> 00:05:08,220 I was, uh, young, 14, 102 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,135 awkward little girl. 103 00:05:12,181 --> 00:05:14,401 My friend told us about 104 00:05:14,488 --> 00:05:16,751 this really cool guy on Palm Beach Island 105 00:05:16,838 --> 00:05:18,753 who we could make $200 from. 106 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:20,624 He just wanted a massage. 107 00:05:20,711 --> 00:05:22,757 $200 was huge to me, 108 00:05:22,844 --> 00:05:24,324 and she kind of played it off like, 109 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:26,413 "Oh, you know, it's really no big deal. 110 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,198 This guy's super nice. He has a super nice house," 111 00:05:29,285 --> 00:05:31,287 and then she ended up taking me. 112 00:05:34,203 --> 00:05:38,555 When you drive over the bridge to go on Palm Beach Island, 113 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:40,905 you could just feel, like, the money and power. 114 00:05:42,167 --> 00:05:44,735 I was brought to his house. 115 00:05:44,822 --> 00:05:46,171 It's, like, the end of the street, 116 00:05:46,258 --> 00:05:48,565 the last house. 117 00:05:48,652 --> 00:05:50,219 Everything's, like, super secluded 118 00:05:50,306 --> 00:05:51,394 and super private. 119 00:05:53,265 --> 00:05:55,224 And it's a beautiful mansion, 120 00:05:55,311 --> 00:05:57,792 and we walk in, and there's the chef, 121 00:05:57,879 --> 00:05:59,533 and, you know, his secretary, 122 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:02,187 and these gorgeous women, barefoot models, 123 00:06:02,274 --> 00:06:04,625 and here I am 14, and I remember thinking, 124 00:06:04,712 --> 00:06:07,018 "Why do they want me?" 125 00:06:11,588 --> 00:06:13,285 Please raise your right hand. 126 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,113 Do you swear from the testimony you're about to give 127 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,637 will be the truth, the whole truth, 128 00:06:16,724 --> 00:06:17,507 - and nothing but the truth? - Yes, ma'am. 129 00:06:17,594 --> 00:06:18,900 Thank you. 130 00:06:20,597 --> 00:06:22,556 - Can you give us your name? - Jeffrey Epstein. 131 00:06:23,774 --> 00:06:25,385 Mr. Epstein, 132 00:06:25,472 --> 00:06:28,300 how long have you been sexually attracted 133 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:30,346 to underage minor females? 134 00:06:33,523 --> 00:06:35,743 Are you kidding? 135 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:37,919 On the multiple times that I saw him, 136 00:06:38,006 --> 00:06:40,530 he always appeared as though he felt 137 00:06:40,617 --> 00:06:42,402 he was the smartest one in the room. 138 00:06:42,489 --> 00:06:44,099 I assert my fifth, sixth, 139 00:06:44,186 --> 00:06:45,970 and 14th amendment rights 140 00:06:46,057 --> 00:06:47,929 to the United States constitution. 141 00:06:48,016 --> 00:06:51,715 He had this smirk on him and carried himself like, 142 00:06:51,802 --> 00:06:53,891 "I am powerful. I am wealthy. 143 00:06:53,978 --> 00:06:56,764 Who are you to be questioning me?" 144 00:06:56,851 --> 00:06:58,200 That was the air about him. 145 00:07:01,769 --> 00:07:03,684 To really understand the psychology 146 00:07:03,771 --> 00:07:06,295 of what happened here, you have to understand 147 00:07:06,382 --> 00:07:09,254 Jeffrey Epstein was a master manipulator. 148 00:07:09,341 --> 00:07:12,170 He used whatever it was that that young person needed 149 00:07:12,257 --> 00:07:13,607 in order to force them to do the things 150 00:07:13,694 --> 00:07:14,999 he wanted them to do. 151 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:22,006 Palm Beach is a very interesting place. 152 00:07:22,093 --> 00:07:26,533 You have a very wealthy segment of the population, 153 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:29,013 one of the wealthiest in the United States, 154 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:30,928 and by Palm Beach, 155 00:07:31,015 --> 00:07:32,800 what I'm talking about is the island, 156 00:07:32,887 --> 00:07:34,932 and the island is very different than the mainland. 157 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,155 So you go from millionaire and billionaire row 158 00:07:40,242 --> 00:07:43,114 on the island to then a little further west, 159 00:07:43,201 --> 00:07:47,075 which is more middle class, to then even further west, 160 00:07:47,162 --> 00:07:49,512 which is a much lower socioeconomic group 161 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:51,471 living out in the western communities. 162 00:07:51,558 --> 00:07:54,212 This was the pool of young girls 163 00:07:54,299 --> 00:07:56,737 that he preyed upon the most. 164 00:07:56,824 --> 00:07:59,087 If you approach a 14, 165 00:07:59,174 --> 00:08:01,219 15-year-old private school girl 166 00:08:01,306 --> 00:08:04,005 that has a Gucci handbag, 167 00:08:04,092 --> 00:08:06,094 and she hears about some old guy 168 00:08:06,181 --> 00:08:08,618 that wants a massage for a couple hundred dollars, 169 00:08:08,705 --> 00:08:10,272 they're not gonna respond to that. 170 00:08:10,359 --> 00:08:12,666 Take that same proposition 171 00:08:12,753 --> 00:08:14,972 to a young girl that's barely getting by. 172 00:08:15,059 --> 00:08:17,540 That's a different proposition. 173 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:20,238 The easiest prey is the weakest in the group, 174 00:08:20,325 --> 00:08:22,719 and that was his method. 175 00:08:22,806 --> 00:08:24,286 That was his modus operandi. 176 00:08:29,291 --> 00:08:32,424 - I grew up in - West Palm Beach, Florida. 177 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:35,036 My mom was a single parent. She was also my hero. 178 00:08:35,123 --> 00:08:36,559 You know, she was my mom, my father. 179 00:08:36,646 --> 00:08:37,952 She was everything. 180 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:40,171 She was a superhero in my eyes, 181 00:08:40,258 --> 00:08:42,739 but pretty much every time she got a new boyfriend 182 00:08:42,826 --> 00:08:45,916 or a new job, we would move, 183 00:08:46,003 --> 00:08:47,875 and every time we moved, 184 00:08:47,962 --> 00:08:50,051 it meant that I was moving a different school, 185 00:08:50,138 --> 00:08:53,750 so I was constantly having to try to make friends. 186 00:08:53,837 --> 00:08:56,318 It was really, really hard a lot of the time. 187 00:09:00,627 --> 00:09:04,979 My mom had been doing drugs and drinking for a while, 188 00:09:05,066 --> 00:09:07,808 and she kind of fell off the deep end. 189 00:09:07,895 --> 00:09:09,940 I started rebelling more. 190 00:09:10,027 --> 00:09:12,203 I started acting out against her, 191 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:14,858 and I knew she wasn't paying attention. 192 00:09:14,945 --> 00:09:16,686 Our whole lives changed then. 193 00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:22,213 When I was in middle school, 194 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:23,606 in sixth, seventh, and eighth grade, 195 00:09:23,693 --> 00:09:25,434 I was a straight A student. 196 00:09:25,521 --> 00:09:27,305 I was captain of the cheerleading squad. 197 00:09:27,392 --> 00:09:29,438 I played first chair trumpet. 198 00:09:29,525 --> 00:09:30,874 Once I hit teenager years 199 00:09:30,961 --> 00:09:33,964 is when my life kinda got rocky. 200 00:09:34,051 --> 00:09:36,401 My mother dealt with addiction, 201 00:09:36,488 --> 00:09:39,013 and we went from having a house, an apartment, 202 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:42,625 to basically living in hotels and stuff like that. 203 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:46,107 This is when 204 00:09:46,194 --> 00:09:48,544 I went to Jeffrey's for the first time. 205 00:09:52,026 --> 00:09:53,941 Me and my friend walk in, 206 00:09:54,028 --> 00:09:58,554 and you just feel elite walking into the room. 207 00:09:58,641 --> 00:10:01,122 My friend brings me upstairs, 208 00:10:01,209 --> 00:10:03,167 and she's setting up the massage table 209 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:05,169 and putting the towels, 210 00:10:05,256 --> 00:10:07,519 and then we sit and wait for him to come in. 211 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:09,957 When Jeffrey comes in, 212 00:10:10,044 --> 00:10:13,003 he just kinda acted like, "Oh," you know, 213 00:10:13,090 --> 00:10:14,526 "Hey, hi. How are you?" 214 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,354 And laid on the table 215 00:10:16,441 --> 00:10:19,749 like he just knew what we were gonna do, you know? 216 00:10:19,836 --> 00:10:22,143 We gave him a massage for, like, 30 minutes, 217 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:25,407 and then he asked my friend to go downstairs. 218 00:10:27,235 --> 00:10:30,020 It's like going over the railroad tracks. 219 00:10:30,107 --> 00:10:32,849 Like, your stomach... you know, that feeling, 220 00:10:32,936 --> 00:10:35,809 and you just know it's not right. 221 00:10:35,896 --> 00:10:38,246 He called me over, asked me to, um, 222 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:40,814 take my bra and panties off, 223 00:10:40,901 --> 00:10:43,686 to get completely naked. 224 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:45,688 All I could think of is I was just looking at the clock, 225 00:10:45,775 --> 00:10:47,429 like, "Okay, when is this gonna end? 226 00:10:47,516 --> 00:10:49,779 How long is this gonna take, and what is happening?" 227 00:10:52,086 --> 00:10:55,524 It quickly transitions to him molesting me. 228 00:10:55,611 --> 00:10:57,439 I just went along with it because it's like, 229 00:10:57,526 --> 00:10:59,833 I'm just, uh, you know, a child. 230 00:11:04,315 --> 00:11:08,537 I remember walking down the staircase after. 231 00:11:08,624 --> 00:11:10,974 I'm given the $200, and I'm like, 232 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:14,456 so upset and disgusted and just feeling like, 233 00:11:14,543 --> 00:11:16,806 "I'll never come back here ever again." 234 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:23,595 And then, you know, after a week went by, 235 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:26,294 I just, like, downplayed the situation myself. 236 00:11:26,381 --> 00:11:29,079 It was like, you know, "Maybe it wasn't so bad, 237 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:32,039 and I could go back because I do need more money," 238 00:11:32,126 --> 00:11:34,781 and it was just, uh... it was just this sick cycle, 239 00:11:34,868 --> 00:11:36,739 and that's what happened, you know? 240 00:12:23,481 --> 00:12:26,136 I was working in the North Palm Beach area. 241 00:12:26,223 --> 00:12:28,486 The case came to my firm originally 242 00:12:28,573 --> 00:12:31,620 from the first young girl that actually went to police. 243 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:34,579 The reason why I wanted to talk to you 244 00:12:34,666 --> 00:12:36,581 is I am conducting an ongoing investigation. 245 00:12:36,668 --> 00:12:40,585 You're a witness, possibly a victim. 246 00:12:40,672 --> 00:12:42,370 She had been enticed over there 247 00:12:42,457 --> 00:12:44,807 because it was quick, easy money 248 00:12:44,894 --> 00:12:48,071 to give this older man a massage. 249 00:12:51,727 --> 00:12:54,425 We start hearing these unbelievable stories 250 00:12:54,512 --> 00:12:57,689 of numbers and numbers of young girls 251 00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:59,953 from her high school that had gone over there. 252 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,389 You solemnly swear to tell the truth, 253 00:13:01,476 --> 00:13:02,390 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, 254 00:13:02,477 --> 00:13:03,608 so help you God? 255 00:13:07,395 --> 00:13:09,266 And initially we said, 256 00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:12,443 "This is too gruesome and too awful 257 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:14,663 to be even true... or close to the truth." 258 00:13:16,491 --> 00:13:17,231 Tell me from the beginning how you met this gentleman. 259 00:13:20,234 --> 00:13:22,192 What is it that you were told you would have to do? 260 00:13:25,717 --> 00:13:28,024 At any point did he ask you to remove your clothes? 261 00:13:29,939 --> 00:13:31,158 Did he touch your breasts? 262 00:13:33,638 --> 00:13:35,292 Did he touch your vaginal area? 263 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:39,427 And did you have intercourse with him? 264 00:13:41,603 --> 00:13:43,997 Almost every single one of the young girls 265 00:13:44,084 --> 00:13:46,216 were in high school, and most of them 266 00:13:46,303 --> 00:13:49,480 were under the age of 18, some as young as 14. 267 00:13:55,356 --> 00:13:57,749 All of these young girls were children, 268 00:13:57,837 --> 00:13:59,055 and a lot of them were afraid. 269 00:13:59,142 --> 00:14:00,796 Just take a deep breath. 270 00:14:02,537 --> 00:14:04,844 You're not the only person that he's done this to. 271 00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:06,323 Okay? 272 00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:08,586 - I've talked to a lot of girls. - Uh-huh. 273 00:14:08,673 --> 00:14:10,458 Almost 40 girls. 274 00:14:10,545 --> 00:14:12,416 As we learn more and more about the case 275 00:14:12,503 --> 00:14:13,896 and the breadth of it, 276 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:16,290 it goes from, "I can't believe this," 277 00:14:16,377 --> 00:14:18,640 as an attorney, to, "Oh, my God. 278 00:14:18,727 --> 00:14:20,642 I can't believe this is actually happening." 279 00:15:31,147 --> 00:15:35,195 People ask why victims of Jeffrey Epstein 280 00:15:35,282 --> 00:15:38,328 went back to his house after the first assault. 281 00:15:38,415 --> 00:15:40,113 Jeffrey Epstein knew exactly what he was doing. 282 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,204 He took the time to groom them and to figure out 283 00:15:44,291 --> 00:15:47,033 what about that particular individual 284 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,079 he could exploit to fill a void 285 00:15:50,166 --> 00:15:52,734 maybe that wasn't being filled elsewhere. 286 00:15:52,821 --> 00:15:55,389 I think I had a job at, like, Miami Subs, 287 00:15:55,476 --> 00:15:57,478 but, you know, I definitely didn't have any money. 288 00:15:59,219 --> 00:16:01,743 I thought Jeffrey was my saving grace. 289 00:16:01,830 --> 00:16:05,442 He's just, you know, trying to help me out, really, 290 00:16:05,529 --> 00:16:07,705 and he's gonna pay me $200 for this massage, like, 291 00:16:07,792 --> 00:16:10,273 so when he, you know, came in, 292 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,319 I acted like I was comfortable 293 00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:14,321 and that I was okay with everything, 294 00:16:14,408 --> 00:16:17,672 and I'm not really sure why... how or why that happened. 295 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:22,938 A perpetrator who has a propensity for children 296 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:26,159 tends to understand that they won't get what they want 297 00:16:26,246 --> 00:16:27,943 from fear, 298 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:30,119 so they tend to use seduction. 299 00:16:30,206 --> 00:16:33,383 The hook was money in exchange for a simple task... 300 00:16:33,470 --> 00:16:36,125 to do a massage. 301 00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:38,693 Preying on Courtney's financial vulnerability, 302 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:42,044 Jeffrey Epstein made another offer, which was, 303 00:16:42,131 --> 00:16:44,307 "Any person that you bring to me 304 00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:46,918 "that's of the same age as you, 305 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,921 I'll pay you a $200 finder's fee." 306 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:52,924 And Courtney then began, when she was at school, 307 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,404 when she was at social gatherings 308 00:16:54,491 --> 00:16:56,493 with other 14, 15, 16 year olds, 309 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:58,452 when she was at the mall, 310 00:16:58,539 --> 00:17:00,367 making the same offer that had been offered to her, 311 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:03,109 which led to Courtney probably bringing 312 00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:05,633 30 other minors to Jeffrey Epstein's house. 313 00:17:07,678 --> 00:17:10,290 His type was basically very young, 314 00:17:10,377 --> 00:17:12,988 white teenagers. 315 00:17:13,075 --> 00:17:15,643 Once I got comfortable with, like, approaching girls 316 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:19,255 and kind of finessing them in a way to, like, say, 317 00:17:19,342 --> 00:17:21,736 "Oh, it's just a massage and you just have to do this," 318 00:17:21,823 --> 00:17:24,217 and making it sound oh-so-good for them to go, 319 00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:26,871 there was times where I brought two and three girls 320 00:17:26,958 --> 00:17:29,135 in a day. 321 00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:34,662 He groomed me to be exactly 322 00:17:34,749 --> 00:17:37,404 a personal sex slave that 323 00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:41,495 brought him underage girls. 324 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:43,975 You know, these are my friends that I brought. 325 00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:51,200 It wasn't just the way that the girl looked. 326 00:17:51,287 --> 00:17:54,682 It was the whole set up. It was the whole manipulation. 327 00:17:54,769 --> 00:17:57,859 It was the whole trickery, 328 00:17:57,946 --> 00:18:00,122 and he was manipulating 329 00:18:00,209 --> 00:18:03,169 vulnerable and alone individuals, 330 00:18:03,256 --> 00:18:07,303 girls that he knew wouldn't have any adult in their life 331 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,436 who would stand up for them, either, 332 00:18:09,523 --> 00:18:12,047 and I think that is part of the deviance 333 00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:13,788 for Jeffrey Epstein. 334 00:18:16,007 --> 00:18:17,661 When this was all happening 335 00:18:17,748 --> 00:18:19,794 and I went to Jeffrey Epstein's house, 336 00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:24,103 my mom was in jail or had just gotten out of jail. 337 00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:26,496 One of my friends had asked me if I wanted to come stay 338 00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:28,150 the weekend with her, and she's like, 339 00:18:28,237 --> 00:18:29,717 "I have this one girlfriend 340 00:18:29,804 --> 00:18:31,762 and we can go over there and hang out." 341 00:18:31,849 --> 00:18:35,375 It was in a trailer park in Palm Beach County. 342 00:18:35,462 --> 00:18:38,204 There was about four or five other girls 343 00:18:38,291 --> 00:18:42,991 just talking about stuff like teenage girls do, 344 00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:47,387 and then someone started making jokes about Jeffrey. 345 00:18:47,474 --> 00:18:50,172 "He just likes young girls to give him a massage." 346 00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:51,782 They're, like, giggling, 347 00:18:51,869 --> 00:18:54,176 and making fun pretty much of him 348 00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:56,526 and just how easy it was to make $200. 349 00:18:58,441 --> 00:19:01,705 The main girl dressed me and did my makeup 350 00:19:01,792 --> 00:19:04,447 and did my hair. 351 00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:07,885 I felt kind of pretty because I was getting to wear her clothes 352 00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:10,758 and she was pretty, and she was... 353 00:19:10,845 --> 00:19:13,239 what seemed to be popular. 354 00:19:13,326 --> 00:19:14,979 She was giving me attention, 355 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,808 which I really needed at that time. 356 00:19:17,895 --> 00:19:22,422 She seemed so comfortable with going like it's no big deal. 357 00:19:22,509 --> 00:19:23,901 I just thought, you know, 358 00:19:23,988 --> 00:19:25,512 it couldn't be too bad 359 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:26,817 if these other people have done it. 360 00:19:29,211 --> 00:19:32,693 It was the first time that I had been on the island. 361 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:35,913 I'd never really been in that type of money. 362 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,960 We shopped at Walmart or Target. 363 00:19:39,047 --> 00:19:42,442 Just the boats alone as you're going over the bridge, 364 00:19:42,529 --> 00:19:44,400 it's straight out of the movies. 365 00:19:44,487 --> 00:19:46,185 You're like, 366 00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:49,231 "Who the heck can ever afford something like this?" 367 00:19:53,627 --> 00:19:58,284 Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953? 368 00:19:58,371 --> 00:20:01,025 - Yes. - Where? 369 00:20:01,112 --> 00:20:03,027 - New York. - Where in New York? 370 00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:04,551 Brooklyn. 371 00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:11,035 Jeffrey Epstein was a kid from a working class family. 372 00:20:11,122 --> 00:20:13,255 He grew up in Coney Island. 373 00:20:13,342 --> 00:20:16,606 His dad worked for the New York City Parks Department, 374 00:20:16,693 --> 00:20:19,218 and his parents instilled in him and his brother 375 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,524 that education was the key to get on. 376 00:20:21,611 --> 00:20:23,396 Epstein is very gifted. 377 00:20:23,483 --> 00:20:25,354 Skips two grades, 378 00:20:25,441 --> 00:20:28,357 graduates at the age of 16, and he gets accepted 379 00:20:28,444 --> 00:20:30,185 into a very difficult to get into college 380 00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:31,621 called Cooper Union. 381 00:20:31,708 --> 00:20:33,406 What'd you study? 382 00:20:33,493 --> 00:20:35,277 Physics. 383 00:20:35,364 --> 00:20:37,584 And, uh, why did you leave college early? 384 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:42,458 I intend to respond to all relevant questions 385 00:20:42,545 --> 00:20:44,112 regarding this lawsuit. 386 00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:45,592 He didn't actually finish his degree. 387 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:48,638 He dropped out, and then in 1974, 388 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:52,120 he somehow gets a job teaching at Dalton, 389 00:20:52,207 --> 00:20:54,209 which is an exclusive school 390 00:20:54,296 --> 00:20:55,863 on the upper east side of Manhattan, 391 00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:58,474 where very wealthy, very powerful people 392 00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:01,564 send their children. 393 00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:04,959 Jeffrey was part of the math department. 394 00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:06,656 He was young. 395 00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:09,180 About 20 years old. 396 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:13,272 This is not your typical Dalton teacher. 397 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,624 Usually, they did not sport wide lapels, 398 00:21:17,711 --> 00:21:20,409 gold chains, and open shirts, 399 00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:23,325 exposing a certain amount of chest. 400 00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:27,329 Straight out of "Saturday Night Fever." 401 00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:30,158 He came from a different social class 402 00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:32,682 to a school that attracted 403 00:21:32,769 --> 00:21:35,903 a number of very, very affluent families. 404 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:37,557 For Epstein, 405 00:21:37,644 --> 00:21:39,602 this was a really important first step 406 00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:43,171 on his ascendancy to the world in which he wanted to live. 407 00:21:43,258 --> 00:21:44,520 If he didn't have the money 408 00:21:44,607 --> 00:21:47,131 to be those kind of people just yet, 409 00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:48,481 he was gonna rub shoulders with them. 410 00:21:48,568 --> 00:21:49,873 He was gonna make connections, 411 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,006 and that's exactly what happened. 412 00:21:52,093 --> 00:21:55,662 It's very possible that he encountered a student 413 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:58,882 who was related to the management 414 00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:03,365 at Bear Stearns that provided him with a stepping stone 415 00:22:03,452 --> 00:22:07,369 to his Wall Street career. 416 00:22:07,456 --> 00:22:10,067 - After two years on the job, - Epstein left. 417 00:22:10,154 --> 00:22:12,026 He claims that he wanted to go on to Wall Street, 418 00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:13,810 but there was also the suggestion that 419 00:22:13,897 --> 00:22:16,770 he was fired because his performance wasn't improving. 420 00:22:16,857 --> 00:22:20,426 You're seeing the first of many myth-making moments 421 00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:24,081 where there's some dispute about how he exits somewhere. 422 00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:27,389 Jeffrey went to work for Ace Greenberg 423 00:22:27,476 --> 00:22:29,652 at Bear Stearns after Dalton. 424 00:22:29,739 --> 00:22:31,698 Greenberg had this term 425 00:22:31,785 --> 00:22:34,265 for people he was looking for to work at Bear Stearns. 426 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:35,832 PSDs... 427 00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:38,226 poor, smart, and desperate to succeed. 428 00:22:38,313 --> 00:22:40,794 Epstein very much fit that mold. 429 00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:43,362 Epstein skyrockets there. 430 00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:45,625 He starts at 23. 431 00:22:45,712 --> 00:22:49,019 In four years, he's a limited partner. 432 00:22:49,106 --> 00:22:50,717 1980, he's actually 433 00:22:50,804 --> 00:22:53,589 a "Cosmopolitan" Bachelor of the Month. 434 00:22:53,676 --> 00:22:55,417 He says that he only talks to people 435 00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:56,766 if they make a million or more per year. 436 00:22:58,464 --> 00:23:01,510 1981, there's a suspicious trade, 437 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,339 which later became an insider trading case, 438 00:23:04,426 --> 00:23:08,082 and Epstein resigns not long after the trade. 439 00:23:10,345 --> 00:23:12,739 Again, there's some dispute over what actually happened. 440 00:23:12,826 --> 00:23:14,436 Epstein says he wanted to leave 441 00:23:14,523 --> 00:23:16,003 and start his own company. 442 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:17,918 As with Dalton, 443 00:23:18,005 --> 00:23:19,789 there's sort of two pictures that emerge... 444 00:23:19,876 --> 00:23:22,313 Epstein's story and then the official story, 445 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,446 which perhaps paints a different picture. 446 00:23:24,533 --> 00:23:27,144 When Jeffrey Epstein met me, 447 00:23:27,231 --> 00:23:29,886 it was 1987. 448 00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:33,237 I was the CEO of a company that did 449 00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:36,371 a billion and a half dollars a year on collections. 450 00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:40,984 It was Epstein that had the vision 451 00:23:41,071 --> 00:23:45,119 to make it a major Ponzi company. 452 00:23:45,206 --> 00:23:48,296 He was open and transparent in telling me 453 00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:51,386 that he had no moral compass. 454 00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:53,301 Steven Hoffenberg ran a company 455 00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:54,998 called Towers Financial. 456 00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:56,870 Legitimate business, 457 00:23:56,957 --> 00:23:59,612 but you can get rich a lot quicker doing a Ponzi scheme, 458 00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:02,005 assuming you don't get caught. 459 00:24:02,092 --> 00:24:04,443 But it got caught. 460 00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:08,272 Only one person takes the fall for the Towers scheme. 461 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,756 I spent 18 years in federal prison. 462 00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:15,715 Even though according to Hoffenberg, 463 00:24:15,802 --> 00:24:18,544 Epstein was at the absolute center of this operation, 464 00:24:18,631 --> 00:24:21,155 he wasn't prosecuted. 465 00:24:21,242 --> 00:24:24,941 Jeffrey Epstein created an entire method 466 00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:28,684 of how he would seduce people. 467 00:24:28,771 --> 00:24:31,644 A true seductive person 468 00:24:31,731 --> 00:24:34,821 has the ability to understand what you're thinking, 469 00:24:34,908 --> 00:24:37,737 and Jeffrey Epstein was a king... 470 00:24:37,824 --> 00:24:41,654 a master of seduction. 471 00:24:41,741 --> 00:24:47,224 He felt he had protection from the rule of law. 472 00:24:47,311 --> 00:24:50,880 He was not concerned. 473 00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:14,730 His behavior really was sociopathic... 474 00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:17,603 manipulativeness, superficial charm, 475 00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:20,170 uh, lack of anxiety, 476 00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:23,391 and predominantly, lack of empathy. 477 00:25:23,478 --> 00:25:26,437 He made a choice to act on these sexual impulses 478 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,091 in the way he did, 479 00:25:28,178 --> 00:25:30,050 and he made a choice 480 00:25:30,137 --> 00:25:33,532 to exploit vulnerable individuals. 481 00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:35,403 I definitely looked the youngest 482 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:37,318 out of a lot of my friends. 483 00:25:37,405 --> 00:25:40,756 They would joke around and say that I was Virgin Mary. 484 00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:42,889 I was scared to do any of that stuff, like, 485 00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:45,674 to have sex or anything, so, um... 486 00:25:45,761 --> 00:25:48,590 and embarrassed of my body, too. 487 00:25:48,677 --> 00:25:53,029 The fact that he viewed them as untouched, 488 00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:56,729 unsullied virginal was a big part of it for him. 489 00:25:56,816 --> 00:25:58,731 That's why he's going to a middle school 490 00:25:58,818 --> 00:26:00,950 or a high school. 491 00:26:04,475 --> 00:26:05,912 I was nervous. 492 00:26:05,999 --> 00:26:07,478 Once I entered the house, 493 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,785 the nerves were there. 494 00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:11,265 The girl that had brought us there 495 00:26:11,352 --> 00:26:13,223 took me right upstairs. 496 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,225 She said that he was gonna come in in a few minutes, 497 00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:19,403 uh, and kinda left me. 498 00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:20,840 The biggest thing that I remember 499 00:26:20,927 --> 00:26:24,104 is his, like, smirk smile. 500 00:26:24,191 --> 00:26:27,455 The way that his mouth cuts into the sides 501 00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:31,415 reminded me very much so of, like, a clown smile. 502 00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:34,549 He laid belly down on the table. 503 00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:38,988 He asked me to get undressed and just stand in my underwear. 504 00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:41,687 He was just very adamant, almost like a parent. 505 00:26:41,774 --> 00:26:43,079 Like, "Pick up your shoes." 506 00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:44,167 Like, you know they mean business. 507 00:26:44,254 --> 00:26:45,473 They're not gonna get loud. 508 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,517 They're not gonna tell you again. 509 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,128 You're just gonna do it. 510 00:26:48,215 --> 00:26:49,782 It made me feel very uncomfortable, 511 00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:51,566 but I did as I was told. 512 00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:55,788 He was... he was the adult, and I was a child. 513 00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,573 As soon as he reached for me, I was already frozen. 514 00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:03,491 Almost numb to what was going on. 515 00:27:03,578 --> 00:27:07,974 Like, a frozen state of shock. 516 00:27:08,061 --> 00:27:09,845 And he kept touching around my underwear 517 00:27:09,932 --> 00:27:12,456 and under my underwear 518 00:27:12,543 --> 00:27:15,677 and I finally told him to stop. 519 00:27:15,764 --> 00:27:18,158 He told me, "I'll stop if you just take your underwear off 520 00:27:18,245 --> 00:27:20,160 so I can look." 521 00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:23,250 He started with asking for a massage 522 00:27:23,337 --> 00:27:25,295 and then he asked for a massage 523 00:27:25,382 --> 00:27:27,994 with a girl in her bra and panties, 524 00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:29,909 and then he progressed from there. 525 00:27:29,996 --> 00:27:33,303 Inoculating a victim 526 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:36,002 is part of the process of grooming them. 527 00:27:36,089 --> 00:27:39,875 Once somebody has participated, 528 00:27:39,962 --> 00:27:44,314 they almost universally feel like used goods. 529 00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:46,708 They feel damaged. They feel dirty. 530 00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:50,538 They feel worthless. 531 00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:52,105 He had told me that I looked so pure 532 00:27:52,192 --> 00:27:54,107 while he was touching me. 533 00:27:54,194 --> 00:27:55,848 It felt weird for him to call me that 534 00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:58,241 as he was touching me. 535 00:27:58,328 --> 00:28:00,287 I was afraid. 536 00:28:00,374 --> 00:28:03,899 I was very afraid of what was gonna happen. 537 00:28:03,986 --> 00:28:05,684 He definitely had the control. 538 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:07,163 I was in his house. 539 00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:12,081 He took his towel, 540 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,170 wiped himself off, got up off the table, 541 00:28:14,257 --> 00:28:16,738 and walked out of the room. 542 00:28:16,825 --> 00:28:20,002 Once we walked out of the door to go get into the cab, 543 00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:23,614 I was instantly in tears. 544 00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,616 My friends didn't say anything to me, 545 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,923 and the other girl told me to shut the up 546 00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:30,012 and threw $200 at me. 547 00:28:32,362 --> 00:28:36,932 He took girls who already had problems with self-esteem. 548 00:28:37,019 --> 00:28:39,065 They go along with it. 549 00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:41,894 They feel even worse about themselves, 550 00:28:41,981 --> 00:28:43,678 and that perpetuates it. 551 00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:46,942 "I am worthless. I am dirty. 552 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:48,988 "Why should I bother to treat myself 553 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:51,120 "any better than he's treating me? 554 00:28:51,207 --> 00:28:54,428 Because, yeah, this confirms what I feel about myself." 555 00:28:54,515 --> 00:28:57,474 One sexual assault can completely change 556 00:28:57,561 --> 00:29:02,871 the quality of life for the victim for years. 557 00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:05,004 They push that reality as far away 558 00:29:05,091 --> 00:29:06,962 from their conscious mind as they can. 559 00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:08,964 They use drugs. They use alcohol. 560 00:29:09,051 --> 00:29:11,837 They may use sex so that they don't think about it, 561 00:29:11,924 --> 00:29:13,403 so that they don't feel it. 562 00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:17,277 When high school started, 563 00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:19,453 I was going to school and skipping 564 00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:22,673 and getting picked up by truancy. 565 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,198 I'm probably about 16 years old about this time. 566 00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:28,897 This is when I start, like, dabbling with drugs. 567 00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:30,725 Any time before I go to Jeffrey's house, 568 00:29:30,812 --> 00:29:34,424 I take Xanax to, you know, calm down 569 00:29:34,511 --> 00:29:37,253 and not have to feel anything. 570 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,603 I end up dropping out of school 571 00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:42,563 and it just, like... my life just spirals downhill. 572 00:29:45,087 --> 00:29:47,437 Before I got to him, 573 00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:50,353 I was starting to go through a rebellious stage. 574 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,051 Typical teen stuff, 575 00:29:52,138 --> 00:29:55,358 but after the whole situation with him, 576 00:29:55,445 --> 00:29:58,144 with how the girl that brought us there treated me, 577 00:29:58,231 --> 00:29:59,710 I was different. 578 00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:02,191 I was angry at myself about this... 579 00:30:02,278 --> 00:30:03,758 putting myself in that position. 580 00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,674 How stupid could I have been? 581 00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:09,633 I started spiraling a little bit more 582 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,158 and definitely being more promiscuous. 583 00:30:12,245 --> 00:30:13,812 It felt like, you know, 584 00:30:13,899 --> 00:30:15,770 someone had already tooken something from me 585 00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:17,990 that maybe I could have more control over 586 00:30:18,077 --> 00:30:20,906 if I was making the calls, 587 00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:25,519 and when you think that way, you really don't have control. 588 00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:30,045 You're making hasty decisions because you're hurting so bad. 589 00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:31,699 I was never the same after that. 590 00:30:42,623 --> 00:30:44,494 The '90s and the 2000s 591 00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:47,280 are the glory days for Jeffrey Epstein. 592 00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:50,674 It's when he becomes what he really wanted to be, 593 00:30:50,761 --> 00:30:53,895 which is a member of the billionaire class. 594 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:55,592 He was still rough around the edges. 595 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,116 You know, he was still this kid from Brooklyn. 596 00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:59,422 He still had his Brooklyn accent. 597 00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:01,120 He was ascending, 598 00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:04,863 but there was still society in New York. 599 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,387 You had to know how to behave, 600 00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:09,128 and you had to know how to know people, 601 00:31:09,215 --> 00:31:10,869 and, you know, there was a club, 602 00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,480 and Jeffrey was interested in being in that club. 603 00:31:13,567 --> 00:31:15,743 It's sort of like "The Talented Mr. Ripley." 604 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:18,006 He was appropriating an identity, 605 00:31:18,093 --> 00:31:19,747 trying it out. 606 00:31:19,834 --> 00:31:21,967 I was surprised to find myself 607 00:31:22,054 --> 00:31:24,273 in Jeffrey Epstein's little black book, 608 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,494 but nearly everyone in that book it seems 609 00:31:27,581 --> 00:31:30,105 was a great friend of Ghislaine. 610 00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:32,499 Ghislaine Maxwell is a British socialite, 611 00:31:32,586 --> 00:31:34,066 and she was basically born 612 00:31:34,153 --> 00:31:36,459 with a silver spoon in her mouth. 613 00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:39,375 - The first time - I met Ghislaine was in 1999. 614 00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:41,290 We met through a bunch of mutual friends 615 00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:42,944 who'd been at Oxford with her. 616 00:31:43,031 --> 00:31:44,903 I wrote afterwards, 617 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,948 "She's full of wicked good fun." 618 00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:48,297 I'd like to know how many of you 619 00:31:48,384 --> 00:31:51,126 would like to fly on a plane 620 00:31:51,213 --> 00:31:55,435 if only 15% of planes were talking to air traffic control. 621 00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,524 Anyone? 622 00:31:57,611 --> 00:32:00,831 She was highly intelligent, and spending time with her, 623 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,269 you're so completely aware of how well-connected she is. 624 00:32:03,356 --> 00:32:06,576 She is the youngest daughter of Robert Maxwell, 625 00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:09,405 who was a British newspaper tycoon. 626 00:32:09,492 --> 00:32:11,973 Ghislaine was doted on by her father 627 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:14,236 and he named his yacht Lady Ghislaine after her, 628 00:32:14,323 --> 00:32:17,370 but in 1991, 629 00:32:17,457 --> 00:32:20,112 Robert Maxwell, sailing around the Canary Islands, 630 00:32:20,199 --> 00:32:22,070 died in mysterious circumstances. 631 00:32:22,157 --> 00:32:23,898 When he died, 632 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,421 we learned that he'd been stealing 633 00:32:25,508 --> 00:32:28,250 from the pension funds of his workers. 634 00:32:28,337 --> 00:32:30,209 Hundreds of working class people 635 00:32:30,296 --> 00:32:31,819 lose their retirement income 636 00:32:31,906 --> 00:32:34,953 because of Maxwell's financial fraud. 637 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,216 Suddenly, all the money had vanished. 638 00:32:37,303 --> 00:32:39,653 Her family were plagued by scandal. 639 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:42,438 They were hated in the UK, 640 00:32:42,525 --> 00:32:45,441 so under this huge cloud, Ghislaine moves to America. 641 00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:50,533 Lots of people are still trying to figure out 642 00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:52,274 how Ghislaine and Jeffrey met. 643 00:32:52,361 --> 00:32:55,974 I wish I knew, but it just seemed like 644 00:32:56,061 --> 00:32:58,715 Jeffrey had very quickly taken the place of her father. 645 00:32:58,802 --> 00:33:02,197 - At the time, - Epstein was on the rise. 646 00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:04,373 Ghislaine's kind of on the way down 647 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:05,896 and they meet in the middle. 648 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:07,681 Both of them had something 649 00:33:07,768 --> 00:33:09,204 that the other one desperately needed. 650 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,033 He was her boyfriend, 651 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,688 but she was also his gal Friday. 652 00:33:14,775 --> 00:33:17,299 She leapt to the occasion when there was anything 653 00:33:17,386 --> 00:33:20,259 that he needed that she could provide, 654 00:33:20,346 --> 00:33:24,393 and she hugely expanded Jeffrey's social universe. 655 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,875 She opened doors for him to people like the Clintons, 656 00:33:27,962 --> 00:33:29,572 to Prince Andrew. 657 00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:31,183 You know, she introduced him to high society. 658 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:32,619 He was starting to get the money, 659 00:33:32,706 --> 00:33:33,533 but he didn't have the finesse, 660 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:34,795 the class, 661 00:33:34,882 --> 00:33:37,406 and that's what Ghislaine gave him. 662 00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:39,278 You would agree, would you not, 663 00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:42,977 that Ghislaine Maxwell shares your sexual obsession 664 00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:44,935 for underage minor females? 665 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,068 - Argumentative. - Speculation. 666 00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:49,940 Ghislaine Maxwell was intricately 667 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,681 involved with Jeffrey Epstein. 668 00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:55,250 The two of them created this world that allowed 669 00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:58,732 Jeffrey Epstein to abuse so many young women. 670 00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:05,260 Mar-a-Lago spa is Donald Trump's place 671 00:34:05,347 --> 00:34:06,479 in Palm Beach. 672 00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:08,916 It's just gorgeous. 673 00:34:09,003 --> 00:34:11,179 I'd only been at my job with Mar-a-Lago 674 00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:13,399 for a couple weeks, but it didn't take me that long 675 00:34:13,486 --> 00:34:15,618 to realize, like, this is where I wanna be. 676 00:34:15,705 --> 00:34:16,880 This is what I wanna do. 677 00:34:19,535 --> 00:34:21,363 My duties there were in the spa area, 678 00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:23,409 so I would hand out fresh towels. 679 00:34:23,496 --> 00:34:26,803 I loved working, just, with these, you know, 680 00:34:26,890 --> 00:34:28,805 beautiful massage therapists and they'd come 681 00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:30,938 and talk to me all the time and I was really interested. 682 00:34:31,025 --> 00:34:32,461 So I went to a library. 683 00:34:32,548 --> 00:34:34,594 I rented a book on massage therapy. 684 00:34:36,944 --> 00:34:40,252 Ghislaine Maxwell approached me at the spa area. 685 00:34:40,339 --> 00:34:43,516 She was, like, this really bright, 686 00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,823 Mary Poppins kind of a... a figure and she said, 687 00:34:46,910 --> 00:34:49,913 "Oh, you're reading a book on massage therapy," 688 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,481 and, you know, we started talking. 689 00:34:52,568 --> 00:34:54,135 And she goes, "Oh, you know what? 690 00:34:54,222 --> 00:34:55,397 "I know this guy. 691 00:34:55,484 --> 00:34:57,138 "There's an opportunity, actually. 692 00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:59,445 "If you wanna become a real massage therapist, 693 00:34:59,532 --> 00:35:01,621 "we can get you trained. 694 00:35:01,708 --> 00:35:03,884 "You can come for the interview tonight, 695 00:35:03,971 --> 00:35:07,322 "and if he likes you, then you'll be a real masseuse. 696 00:35:07,409 --> 00:35:09,107 "And you'll get to see the world. 697 00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:11,457 And you'll get paid $200 per massage," 698 00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:13,589 and it... like, no alarm bells went off 699 00:35:13,676 --> 00:35:16,114 because it was this proper English lady 700 00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:18,028 who just looked so nice. 701 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,900 And when I asked her why, and she said, 702 00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:21,423 "Oh, we're like philanthropists. 703 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:23,077 "We like to go out and help people 704 00:35:23,164 --> 00:35:25,862 and make people's lives better." 705 00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:27,560 Epstein's victims have talked about 706 00:35:27,647 --> 00:35:29,997 how they weren't sure who this guy was, 707 00:35:30,084 --> 00:35:32,739 but because Ghislaine seemed so proper, 708 00:35:32,826 --> 00:35:34,828 surely it's gotta be legit. 709 00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,439 Her posh upbringing and her accent 710 00:35:37,526 --> 00:35:39,702 gave this veneer of respectability. 711 00:35:39,789 --> 00:35:41,051 Coming from a woman, 712 00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,967 I think that was incredibly manipulative, 713 00:35:44,054 --> 00:35:46,318 and I think it was absolutely critical 714 00:35:46,405 --> 00:35:47,710 in Epstein's operation. 715 00:35:53,803 --> 00:35:56,371 Jeffrey wasn't my first abuser. 716 00:35:56,458 --> 00:35:58,504 At seven, when I started getting abused 717 00:35:58,591 --> 00:36:00,723 by a family member, 718 00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:03,987 my childhood was quickly stolen from me. 719 00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:06,033 I just started kind of imploding. 720 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,340 I would, you know, run away. 721 00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:11,169 I would be on the streets for days at a time. 722 00:36:11,256 --> 00:36:14,781 So I was pretty vulnerable by the time I get to Mar-a-Lago. 723 00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:17,262 When you are sexually assaulted as a child, 724 00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:20,090 you are not learning about yourself 725 00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,310 and your own agency 726 00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:24,007 and what you do when you find yourself 727 00:36:24,094 --> 00:36:26,227 in uncomfortable circumstances. 728 00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:29,143 And you don't know the appropriate roles 729 00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:32,233 between different individuals because everything is twisted. 730 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,630 Jeffrey Epstein knew how to manipulate those 731 00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:40,502 who were especially vulnerable. 732 00:36:42,939 --> 00:36:44,811 It was probably a five-minute drive 733 00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:47,466 from Mar-a-Lago to El Brillo Way. 734 00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:49,424 My dad brought me over. 735 00:36:49,511 --> 00:36:51,209 When he shakes hands with Ghislaine, 736 00:36:51,296 --> 00:36:52,993 she promises that she'll take good care of me 737 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,343 and she will have someone drive me home. 738 00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:01,654 She led me up the staircase 739 00:37:01,741 --> 00:37:07,442 and we made a right into Jeffrey's room. 740 00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:09,879 And then you go curve around, see his bathroom... 741 00:37:12,404 --> 00:37:16,495 And Jeffrey laying naked on the massage table. 742 00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:19,149 Jeffrey lifts his head up, looks at Ghislaine, 743 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:20,673 Ghislaine looks at him, 744 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,023 and I call it the Cheshire Cat grin 745 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:25,199 because his face just went like this, 746 00:37:25,286 --> 00:37:27,854 and it was like a nod of approval. 747 00:37:27,941 --> 00:37:29,595 Ghislaine got me quickly into, like, 748 00:37:29,682 --> 00:37:31,292 "Here's the lotions. Here's the oils. 749 00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:33,425 "We're gonna each take half of his body 750 00:37:33,512 --> 00:37:35,514 so you can follow my instructions." 751 00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,560 It just looked like a legitimate massage. 752 00:37:38,647 --> 00:37:42,303 Then they also started asking me questions about my life. 753 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,436 I really, really wanted this job, 754 00:37:44,523 --> 00:37:47,134 so I opened up to them. 755 00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:48,875 I said, "Look, 756 00:37:48,962 --> 00:37:51,007 "this is an opportunity of a lifetime for me. 757 00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:54,750 I've been on the streets. I've been abused." 758 00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:56,665 And, um, 759 00:37:56,752 --> 00:37:58,841 that's the worst thing that I could've done 760 00:37:58,928 --> 00:38:01,540 'cause I just let them know that I'm vulnerable, 761 00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:04,978 and, um, I'm their perfect type. 762 00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:30,525 Whenever Ghislaine spoke about Jeffrey, 763 00:38:30,612 --> 00:38:33,572 there was a kind of flash of excitement in her eyes. 764 00:38:33,659 --> 00:38:36,879 She seemed utterly fascinated and thrilled 765 00:38:36,966 --> 00:38:39,882 with the life that he offered her, 766 00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:44,104 and it seemed like she would go to any kind of length 767 00:38:44,191 --> 00:38:47,150 to satisfy his whims. 768 00:38:47,237 --> 00:38:48,848 She'd been dating him for a little while 769 00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:52,373 when she asked me to write a song for his birthday. 770 00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:53,940 I barely knew him, 771 00:38:54,027 --> 00:38:55,724 but Ghislaine was very specific 772 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:57,639 about certain phrases and information 773 00:38:57,726 --> 00:38:59,511 that had to be in the song. 774 00:38:59,598 --> 00:39:01,513 Jeffrey was turning 40, 775 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,559 so I figured it would be a big party. 776 00:39:04,646 --> 00:39:08,607 Turned out there were only six guys wearing black tie. 777 00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:12,611 Les Wexner was the dean of the Harvard Business School 778 00:39:12,698 --> 00:39:16,092 and Itzhak Perlman the violinist was there, 779 00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:20,314 smoking cigars and drinking brandy after dinner. 780 00:39:20,401 --> 00:39:21,968 It felt like kind of a convention 781 00:39:22,055 --> 00:39:24,666 of masters of the universe. 782 00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:26,886 She asked me to knock on the door 783 00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:29,584 at the appointed hour, walk in, 784 00:39:29,671 --> 00:39:33,806 sit on the floor, and perform the song. 785 00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:36,896 "Poor Jeffrey Epstein is 40. Oy vey. 786 00:39:36,983 --> 00:39:40,029 "Life must be tough. His hair is already so gray. 787 00:39:40,116 --> 00:39:42,031 "He sure looks older, but it's clear from his smile 788 00:39:42,118 --> 00:39:44,556 "the older he gets, the more juvenile. 789 00:39:44,643 --> 00:39:47,559 "Ghislaine is lavishing him with her affections. 790 00:39:47,646 --> 00:39:50,257 "She claims he has 24-hour erections. 791 00:39:50,344 --> 00:39:52,520 "Sounds like he's busy. Now, ain't that berserk? 792 00:39:52,607 --> 00:39:55,044 How does he find the time to get off to work?" 793 00:39:55,131 --> 00:39:56,916 God, I feel so... 794 00:39:57,003 --> 00:39:59,309 it seems so creepy reading it now, I'm afraid. 795 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,137 Um... 796 00:40:01,224 --> 00:40:03,836 "He wakes when the cock crows while everyone slumbers. 797 00:40:03,923 --> 00:40:06,273 "He rivals Einstein when crunching those numbers. 798 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,796 "Taught math at Dalton. 799 00:40:07,883 --> 00:40:09,972 "The naughty boy blushes to think of school girls 800 00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:12,584 and all of their crushes." 801 00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:14,542 You know, kind of snickers in the room, 802 00:40:14,629 --> 00:40:16,196 and it seemed like that was something 803 00:40:16,283 --> 00:40:18,372 that was known about him at the time, 804 00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:21,114 that he liked younger girls. 805 00:40:23,072 --> 00:40:25,640 It's that odd thing of something that seems 806 00:40:25,727 --> 00:40:28,251 tongue in cheek, but that you have no real sense 807 00:40:28,338 --> 00:40:33,953 of how utterly depraved his intentions were. 808 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:43,005 I was told by Jeffrey and Ghislaine 809 00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:46,618 during my very first so-called interview with them 810 00:40:46,705 --> 00:40:48,707 that they had homes all over the world. 811 00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:50,883 New Mexico, New York, 812 00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:52,798 they were getting one in France, 813 00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:54,626 and the Virgin Islands. 814 00:40:54,713 --> 00:40:57,672 So you're instantly aware that these were 815 00:40:57,759 --> 00:41:00,414 rich and powerfully persuasive people, 816 00:41:00,501 --> 00:41:03,199 and so, the fear of that's like, 817 00:41:03,286 --> 00:41:04,940 "What happens if I do say no?" 818 00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:09,858 The massage seemed legitimate at first. 819 00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:12,382 Ghislaine grabbed one foot, I grabbed the other, 820 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,689 and she says, "You always wanna keep one hand 821 00:41:14,776 --> 00:41:17,344 on the body when you're massaging somebody," 822 00:41:17,431 --> 00:41:20,956 and then he turns over and the entire thing changed. 823 00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:24,482 They said, "Take off your clothes." 824 00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:27,354 I had these little girl undies on, 825 00:41:27,441 --> 00:41:29,399 like, little hearts on them, I remember, 826 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,185 and they were laughing at that because they liked that. 827 00:41:32,272 --> 00:41:34,317 The younger you look, the better it is. 828 00:41:34,404 --> 00:41:37,016 So I... I stripped down. Ghislaine stripped down. 829 00:41:37,103 --> 00:41:39,714 It turned in... it turned very sexual. 830 00:41:39,801 --> 00:41:44,458 Um, it was abuse right away from both of them. 831 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,073 Stuff that I knew had... that I had already known, um, 832 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,728 because I'd been abused before, and it felt just like that. 833 00:41:56,035 --> 00:41:58,385 My new happy brain just shut off, 834 00:41:58,472 --> 00:42:01,954 and this old survival brain came back in. 835 00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:03,825 It's a completely different person, 836 00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:05,523 the person that takes over. 837 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:07,829 You know, very scared of saying the wrong thing, 838 00:42:07,916 --> 00:42:09,352 doing the wrong thing, 839 00:42:09,439 --> 00:42:11,703 and you do disassociate yourself 840 00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:15,315 from who you know you are, 841 00:42:15,402 --> 00:42:17,317 but who you have to be. 842 00:42:21,408 --> 00:42:23,105 Afterwards, Ghislaine left the room 843 00:42:23,192 --> 00:42:25,673 and Jeffrey was telling me I did a good job, 844 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,676 and I'm gonna go really far, and he's gonna get me educated, 845 00:42:28,763 --> 00:42:30,852 and he was, like, really, really happy. 846 00:42:30,939 --> 00:42:32,375 I mean, the cat that got the milk. 847 00:42:34,247 --> 00:42:38,947 I got paid $200, and the butler drove me home. 848 00:42:39,034 --> 00:42:41,123 They acted very normal about the situation. 849 00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:43,038 They tried to validate what had happened. 850 00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:44,953 From the outside perspective, 851 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,476 you understand the grooming involved 852 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:48,043 and what transpired in that room... 853 00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,784 paying her heftily 854 00:42:49,871 --> 00:42:51,612 for the work that had been done, 855 00:42:51,699 --> 00:42:53,266 making it seem like it was appropriate, 856 00:42:53,353 --> 00:42:54,963 what had transpired, 857 00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:57,966 and then inviting her back again. 858 00:42:58,053 --> 00:42:59,968 The shame was immediate. 859 00:43:00,055 --> 00:43:01,927 I remember sitting at the bottom of my shower 860 00:43:02,014 --> 00:43:04,756 and crying my eyes out. 861 00:43:04,843 --> 00:43:06,975 I'd been on the streets and I thought, you know, 862 00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:10,588 "Well, maybe this is the lesser of two evils." 863 00:43:10,675 --> 00:43:13,025 I had the promise of an education, 864 00:43:13,112 --> 00:43:15,897 and maybe this is just how the world works. 865 00:43:15,984 --> 00:43:18,073 If abuse is so prevalent in my life, 866 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,553 maybe that's just what it is. 867 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,208 That's just life. 868 00:43:22,295 --> 00:43:26,038 For individuals who've been sexually abused as a child, 869 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:29,650 this confirms that they don't have any meaning 870 00:43:29,737 --> 00:43:32,000 beyond giving pleasure to somebody else. 871 00:43:32,087 --> 00:43:34,916 Of course, you'd expect them to go back, 872 00:43:35,003 --> 00:43:38,790 especially if there is even a glimmer of hope that 873 00:43:38,877 --> 00:43:41,357 maybe something good will come out of this, 874 00:43:41,444 --> 00:43:43,795 because it's a really devastating feeling 875 00:43:43,882 --> 00:43:46,711 to be nothing. 876 00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:48,756 Within the next few weeks, 877 00:43:48,843 --> 00:43:51,933 Jeffrey and Ghislaine told me that I need to quit my job 878 00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:54,327 with Mar-a-Lago because I'll be traveling with them 879 00:43:54,414 --> 00:43:56,285 as their traveling masseuse. 880 00:43:56,372 --> 00:43:57,983 You know, you ask yourself, like, 881 00:43:58,070 --> 00:44:00,638 if I could talk to that 16-year-old girl again, 882 00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,988 what would you tell her? 883 00:44:03,075 --> 00:44:05,555 Bloody hell, I'd tell her, "Run for your life," 884 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,862 but at 16, you just... I don't know, yeah, I was... 885 00:44:07,949 --> 00:44:09,516 I was very intimidated by these people. 886 00:44:11,736 --> 00:44:13,738 What I call it is invisible chains. 887 00:44:13,825 --> 00:44:15,783 I mean, no, these girls were not tied up, 888 00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:17,611 and people will say, "Well, they kept coming back. 889 00:44:17,698 --> 00:44:19,091 Why did they keep coming back?" 890 00:44:19,178 --> 00:44:21,833 These were not people to be crossed. 891 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,009 These were very significant people 892 00:44:24,096 --> 00:44:25,924 with the ability, the power, the wealth 893 00:44:26,011 --> 00:44:28,317 to destroy a life if they wanted to. 894 00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:51,297 The first official complaint was in 2005. 895 00:44:56,563 --> 00:44:58,565 Once the police started uncovering the number 896 00:44:58,652 --> 00:45:01,002 of young girls that were involved in this network, 897 00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:03,396 the investigation snowballed. 898 00:45:03,483 --> 00:45:05,311 They put him under surveillance, 899 00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:08,357 watching his house, seeing girls going in and out. 900 00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:10,446 They execute a search warrant on the home, 901 00:45:10,533 --> 00:45:12,057 even did a trash pull to investigate 902 00:45:12,144 --> 00:45:14,102 what was being thrown out. 903 00:45:14,189 --> 00:45:16,539 The shocking thing was the amount of evidence... 904 00:45:16,626 --> 00:45:20,674 things like Amazon receipts for books about sex slavery, 905 00:45:20,761 --> 00:45:22,676 flight logs, 906 00:45:22,763 --> 00:45:24,722 message pads that had message after message. 907 00:45:24,809 --> 00:45:26,419 A little girl calling in. 908 00:45:26,506 --> 00:45:28,769 "I can bring this friend tonight for a massage." 909 00:45:28,856 --> 00:45:31,119 "I can't go because my grandpa has a birthday." 910 00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:32,730 Things that shock the conscience. 911 00:45:32,817 --> 00:45:35,123 What you had in this investigation 912 00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:38,300 was a rock solid prosecutable case 913 00:45:38,387 --> 00:45:41,608 against a serial sexual predator. 914 00:45:47,614 --> 00:45:49,311 I come home, it's super late at night, 915 00:45:49,398 --> 00:45:51,749 and I turn on the TV, and I hear, 916 00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:54,621 "Local Palm Beach billionaire arrested." 917 00:45:54,708 --> 00:45:57,232 I don't, you know, think anything of it. 918 00:45:57,319 --> 00:46:00,409 Well, then, that's Jeffrey Epstein's face on the TV. 919 00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:02,890 So I instantly just call Jeffrey Epstein's assistant, 920 00:46:02,977 --> 00:46:04,413 and she tells me, 921 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:05,763 "Everything's okay. Don't worry. 922 00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:07,286 "Jeffrey only spent, like, 923 00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,636 "a couple hours in jail and he's out. 924 00:46:09,723 --> 00:46:12,247 "We have you an attorney, and basically, 925 00:46:12,334 --> 00:46:14,989 if you don't say anything, you'll be taken care of." 926 00:46:15,076 --> 00:46:16,730 There are numerous victims, 927 00:46:16,817 --> 00:46:18,863 they've got compelling evidence, 928 00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:21,387 but Epstein lawyers up. 929 00:46:21,474 --> 00:46:23,041 He gets a dream team of lawyers. 930 00:46:23,128 --> 00:46:24,912 His first call was to Alan Dershowitz, 931 00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:26,914 tenacious attorney who fights cases 932 00:46:27,001 --> 00:46:28,568 in the media all the time. 933 00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:30,613 The job of a criminal defense lawyer 934 00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:33,007 is always to get the best result 935 00:46:33,094 --> 00:46:36,402 you can get ethically and legally. 936 00:46:36,489 --> 00:46:38,404 And what they do according to lawsuits 937 00:46:38,491 --> 00:46:40,710 filed by the victims and court papers 938 00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,625 is essentially begin a campaign of harassment 939 00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:44,889 and intimidation of the victims. 940 00:46:44,976 --> 00:46:46,586 I mean, you don't put this attorney 941 00:46:46,673 --> 00:46:48,675 at a local sports bar. 942 00:46:48,762 --> 00:46:52,070 The things he's saying are, like, belittling towards me, 943 00:46:52,157 --> 00:46:55,290 making it sound like I'm this prostitute. 944 00:46:55,377 --> 00:46:57,771 I'm just 18 years old at this point. 945 00:46:57,858 --> 00:46:58,903 I remember telling him, "Oh, I have to use the bathroom," 946 00:46:58,990 --> 00:47:00,643 and I just left. 947 00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:02,776 They certainly had private investigators 948 00:47:02,863 --> 00:47:05,344 following the young girls and pulling information. 949 00:47:05,431 --> 00:47:06,736 There's a letter from Alan Dershowitz 950 00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:08,260 to the prosecutors about 951 00:47:08,347 --> 00:47:10,044 the little girls' Myspace pages, 952 00:47:10,131 --> 00:47:11,611 saying he should pay attention 953 00:47:11,698 --> 00:47:13,352 'cause this person's on drugs and alcohol. 954 00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:15,484 It was really a takedown of the victims. 955 00:47:15,571 --> 00:47:17,965 How do we make them seem not credible? 956 00:47:18,052 --> 00:47:20,141 It's completely appropriate 957 00:47:20,228 --> 00:47:22,187 to investigate complaining witnesses. 958 00:47:22,274 --> 00:47:24,232 The complaining witnesses are fair game. 959 00:47:26,017 --> 00:47:28,062 When I found out that they were calling 960 00:47:28,149 --> 00:47:29,977 the young girls prostitutes, 961 00:47:30,064 --> 00:47:32,240 I was worried that other people were gonna think that. 962 00:47:32,327 --> 00:47:33,981 Were they gonna consider me a victim, 963 00:47:34,068 --> 00:47:35,940 or were they gonna consider me a prostitute? 964 00:47:36,027 --> 00:47:38,290 Well, it's kind of a hard thing to swallow. 965 00:47:38,377 --> 00:47:39,639 What went wrong with this case 966 00:47:39,726 --> 00:47:41,336 is that Barry Krischer, 967 00:47:41,423 --> 00:47:43,599 the state attorney for Palm Beach County, 968 00:47:43,686 --> 00:47:45,601 essentially just didn't believe the victims. 969 00:47:45,688 --> 00:47:47,821 Barry Krischer seems to have said to himself, 970 00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:51,216 "I believe the rich guy who lives in Palm Beach instead." 971 00:47:51,303 --> 00:47:53,827 The Palm Beach police chief protested vigorously 972 00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:55,307 when the State Attorney's office... 973 00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:56,786 citing racy, suggestive web sites 974 00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:58,266 created by some of the girls... 975 00:47:58,353 --> 00:48:00,399 charged Epstein with a misdemeanor, 976 00:48:00,486 --> 00:48:02,444 a solicitation of prostitution. 977 00:48:02,531 --> 00:48:03,881 The case, however, did not go away. 978 00:48:03,968 --> 00:48:05,752 It was referred to the FBI. 979 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,188 So it, then, at that point, 980 00:48:07,275 --> 00:48:09,408 becomes a federal investigation. 981 00:48:09,495 --> 00:48:12,106 I was so confused on what was happening. 982 00:48:12,193 --> 00:48:14,152 The feds are coming to my house. 983 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,981 They're knocking on my door. They're showing up at my job. 984 00:48:17,068 --> 00:48:18,721 They're, like, being super aggressive. 985 00:48:18,808 --> 00:48:20,245 I don't really know what to think 986 00:48:20,332 --> 00:48:21,986 'cause by this time, I'm 18. 987 00:48:22,073 --> 00:48:23,683 I'm like, "Am I gonna go to prison for this?" 988 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:25,337 I was just trying to duck and dodge them. 989 00:48:25,424 --> 00:48:26,599 I don't even wanna talk to them. 990 00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:31,038 So they end up dropping, like, 991 00:48:31,125 --> 00:48:33,519 papers off on my front doorstep, 992 00:48:33,606 --> 00:48:36,652 and it turns out it's all the victims' reports 993 00:48:36,739 --> 00:48:39,525 of the first time they went to Jeffrey's house, 994 00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:42,571 and what happened and how they felt. 995 00:48:42,658 --> 00:48:45,444 It immediately brings me back to the first time 996 00:48:45,531 --> 00:48:47,185 I went to Jeffrey's, and it was like... 997 00:48:47,272 --> 00:48:49,274 A flashback. 998 00:48:49,361 --> 00:48:51,929 If I could describe how I felt and everything that happened 999 00:48:52,016 --> 00:48:53,582 the first time I went, 1000 00:48:53,669 --> 00:48:55,367 it was this paper that I didn't write, 1001 00:48:55,454 --> 00:48:57,456 somebody else did. 1002 00:48:57,543 --> 00:48:58,848 And then I start looking through the box 1003 00:48:58,936 --> 00:49:00,546 and I see all these names of, like, 1004 00:49:00,633 --> 00:49:04,115 girls that I personally brought to him, 1005 00:49:04,202 --> 00:49:06,291 and it was just devastating. 1006 00:49:06,378 --> 00:49:07,901 For two days, I think I just stayed in my house 1007 00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:10,512 and cried about it. 1008 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:14,603 For anybody that I recruited, like, I'm so sorry. 1009 00:49:16,779 --> 00:49:20,044 The guilt and shame in how I feel about 1010 00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:22,872 basically I lied to them and lured them in 1011 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,223 to go see this guy... 1012 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:27,138 I don't know if it's something that I'll ever, 1013 00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:29,053 really fully get over. 1014 00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:37,409 And at this point in summer 2007, 1015 00:49:37,496 --> 00:49:40,281 Epstein's lawyers realize this is bad news 1016 00:49:40,368 --> 00:49:42,675 because once you start getting the FBI involved, 1017 00:49:42,762 --> 00:49:43,981 the potential penalties for that client 1018 00:49:44,068 --> 00:49:45,591 are much more serious. 1019 00:49:45,678 --> 00:49:48,420 They start negotiating a plea deal in secret. 1020 00:49:50,335 --> 00:49:52,902 So I comply with the feds, 1021 00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:54,730 but when I called and I asked, 1022 00:49:54,817 --> 00:49:56,341 "What's happening with this case?" 1023 00:49:56,428 --> 00:49:57,864 Nobody can give me an answer. 1024 00:49:57,951 --> 00:49:59,257 They're transferring me, transferring me, 1025 00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:00,823 hanging up on me. 1026 00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:02,912 Nobody ever calls me back. 1027 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,959 Shortly after, I find Brad Edwards. 1028 00:50:06,046 --> 00:50:09,093 Courtney walked in and she was very direct 1029 00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:10,877 and said, you know, "I'm Courtney Wild. 1030 00:50:10,964 --> 00:50:13,053 "I've been cooperating 1031 00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:15,229 "in a major federal investigation 1032 00:50:15,316 --> 00:50:18,276 "against Jeffrey Epstein, but I'm calling now 1033 00:50:18,363 --> 00:50:19,668 "and nobody's answering my questions. 1034 00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:21,801 So can you help?" 1035 00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:24,238 So I really thought I'm gonna call the US Attorney's office, 1036 00:50:24,325 --> 00:50:26,849 they're gonna tell me, "Look, it's a massive investigation. 1037 00:50:26,936 --> 00:50:28,938 He's probably going to plead to a life sentence," 1038 00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:31,593 and instead, the lead prosecutor 1039 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,422 gave me the impression something weird was happening. 1040 00:50:36,424 --> 00:50:39,297 There was a very significant cover-up going on, 1041 00:50:39,384 --> 00:50:41,168 unbeknownst to the victims. 1042 00:50:41,255 --> 00:50:43,692 And that would turn out to be one of the most 1043 00:50:43,779 --> 00:50:45,346 outrageous aspects of the case. 1044 00:50:45,433 --> 00:50:47,653 It made absolutely no sense. 1045 00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:49,655 When things like that don't make sense, 1046 00:50:49,742 --> 00:50:51,918 the first thing you look at is money, 1047 00:50:52,005 --> 00:50:54,312 power, and influence. 1048 00:50:54,399 --> 00:50:57,924 The reality was this was a well-oiled 1049 00:50:58,011 --> 00:51:00,013 sex trafficking operation, 1050 00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:03,538 which had been going on across much of America, 1051 00:51:03,625 --> 00:51:05,018 across different countries for years, 1052 00:51:05,105 --> 00:51:07,760 and he'd basically gotten away with it. 88061

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