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REPORTER 1: Sarah Pender
was doing 110 years for a pair
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of Indianapolis murders
in October of 2000
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before escaping from
a maximum security prison.
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Investigators
say Pender had help
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and is being passed around
from friend to friend.
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The Department of Corrections,
Indiana State Police,
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and a US Marshals task force
have worked nonstop
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in trying to apprehend Pender.
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REPORTER 2: Also tonight,
a convicted killer
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is on the loose and a prison
guard is now under arrest.
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Suddenly there was
a knock on the door.
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REPORTER:
Sarah Pender was serving
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a 110-year sentence
at Rockville.
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Prison officials
say that Spitler
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drove a prison van inside
the gates and then hit...
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[person panting]
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My heart dropped.
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I did not know what to do.
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[knock at door]
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REPORTER: It was a shock
to Steve Stolz...
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SARAH:
I was absolutely scared.
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And I was afraid to look
out the little peephole
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because I thought, I'm gonna
get shot in the face.
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PERSON:
Side, facing that way.
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And I thought, this is it.
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[latches clicking]
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[door creaking]
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[tense music]
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And when I opened up the door,
it was my friend Thea.
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[chuckles]
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[somber music]
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Thea and I spent time
in prison together.
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And Peggy had told Thea
where to find me.
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And so Thea showed up,
and she said,
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bitch, what are you doing?
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I said, well, I did it.
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She said, yes, you did.
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Oh, my God, yes, you did.
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She said, we gotta get
the fuck out of here.
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So I said, well, let's go.
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♪♪
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[engine rumbling]
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[dramatic music]
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Thea and I drive to her house.
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[laughter]
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That night, Thea fixed me
pork chops,
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potatoes, green beans.
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It was delicious.
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It was the best thing
I'd had in eight years.
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I remember just poking
at my food with this real fork
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and feeling, you know, the...
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the metal on my teeth
and thinking,
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oh, my gosh, this is real.
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REPORTER: Sarah Pender
is still on the run.
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SARAH: These were
the most normal things,
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like I was at home.
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REPORTER:
Pender was serving time
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for a double murder
in Marion County back in 2000.
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SARAH: I remember,
I was sitting in a...
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like, a La-Z-Boy chair
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and feeling the cushion
and just knowing that
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the harshness of prison
was behind me.
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[tense music]
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[sirens wailing]
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RYAN: In a fugitive
investigation such as Pender,
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you can't sit.
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Every lead,
I went and checked out.
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My visit to her friend Peggy
maybe didn't bear fruit,
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but, um, I left
my business card.
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And she said she would call me
if she heard from Sarah.
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I said, if I find out
that you're helping her,
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it's gonna be
a bad situation for you.
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That's how I rolled.
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Show a presence and then
get them to work with you.
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Like setting a bird trap,
I was setting...
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I was setting areas
out there for me
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that would hopefully spring
and would generate a capture.
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[siren wailing]
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I was chasing down these lines
and meeting these offenders,
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but I'm also profiling her.
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She got someone
to give her a phone
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and help her on the run.
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She's good at getting people
to do things
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that are outside
the normal human behavior.
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Does she get people to do
things up and to including
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putting two bodies
in a trash dumpster?
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REPORTER:
Pender was convicted in 2002
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for the murder
of her two roommates.
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Police say she helped
her codefendant
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dispose of the bodies
in a south-side dumpster.
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I thought, would Rick Hull
play ball with me?
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Richard Hull
was the codefendant.
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That was her boyfriend at the
time these murders happened.
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He was in Pendleton Prison
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doing his own 100-plus years
for the murders.
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GUARD 1 [over radio]:
Unit 1, industrial bridge.
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GUARD 2 [over radio]:
1.
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GUARD 3 [over radio]:
Checkpoint 6, copy.
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RYAN: I thought Richard
would know her
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better than anybody else.
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I also thought he may know
where she would probably go.
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So I introduced myself.
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I told him I was
with the US Marshals
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and I was looking for Sarah.
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He got a smile on his face.
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He goes, oh, yeah?
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I had mixed emotions
about her escape.
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I was happy for her.
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Yeah, good, go, enjoy it
while you can, you know?
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But I was really hurting
and... and...
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and frustrated because I looked
at my life as being over.
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I mean, I'm at a maximum
prison because of Sarah.
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And, um, they tell me
that I will probably
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end up dying in this place.
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Ryan asked me to help,
but it was just like,
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how can I help him
when I don't know anything?
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I don't know where she is.
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RYAN: I mean,
Rick knows her so well.
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So I said, where could she go?
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Do you have any theories
about where she may run to?
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He thought about it.
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Rick told me the name Thea
and that she did time with her
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and that'd be someone
she would turn to on the run.
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It was a hell of a lead.
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SARAH: At this point,
my money's cut off.
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I don't know how I'm going
to support myself.
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And Thea gives me a suggestion.
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Thea was a stripper,
and she had been
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spending time
with one of the clients,
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uh, outside the strip club.
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And she knew that he wanted
to have a threesome.
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She suggested
that we have sex with him
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and that he would
probably give us money.
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At the time, I was willing
to give up my body,
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absolutely...
my body, my attention,
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my affection... for freedom.
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[knocking]
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[door creaks]
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That night, Thea arranged
for us to meet
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at this motel room
and introduced me to Tom.
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He was a businessman.
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He was clearly in his late 50s,
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but he was well built.
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He was dressed nice,
smelled wonderful,
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so I didn't have
any worries about him
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being this dirty old man.
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[door creaks]
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Thea told him
that my name was Brandy
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and that I had just been
released from prison
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and that I needed
to make some money.
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[heavy exhale]
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[faint laughter]
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After the threesome,
Tom asked me
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what I was gonna do
for the rest of the evening.
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And I told him
that I didn't know.
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I didn't really
have anywhere to go.
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And so he said that I
could stay in the room
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because it was already paid for.
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RYAN: I feel like
I'm on the scent.
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Thea was working
in the strip club industry.
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And Rick had told me
that if she really
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needed to get means or help,
she would go to Thea
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or go to there
and start hustling.
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I didn't know specifically
where Thea was working,
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but there was various strip
clubs here in Indianapolis.
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And I went out there and spent
some time in these places
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to see if Sarah was there.
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At this point,
you don't want them to think
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you're law enforcement at all.
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So you go in there like
a baller and a shot caller,
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you know, and what I mean
by that is,
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you better have
your money with you.
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The more money you spread,
the more they're gonna see
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you're just a normal guy.
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One of the distinguishing
marks on Sarah was, um,
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she had a tattoo of a bull's-eye
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on her... on her butt cheek.
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And I went out there
looking for tattoos,
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looking for anybody
that looked like Sarah.
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I stayed out until
I couldn't stay up anymore.
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I saw a lot of ass,
but I didn't see bull's-eyes.
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[bills fluttering]
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I was frustrated, but I didn't
feel defeated, by any means,
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because I will find out
who's helping her.
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SARAH: The next morning,
Tom came again,
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brought me McDonald's
for breakfast.
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And he offered to pay
for another night
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at the motel room
so I had somewhere to go
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and that he would
keep me company.
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So I said yes.
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Tom and I were laying in bed,
and he turned on the TV
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and was flipping
through the channels.
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REPORTER:
Investigators say Sarah Pender
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is on the loose and dangerous.
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A Marion County jury
convicted her in the year 2000
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in a double murder.
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Pender escaped
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from the Rockville
Correctional Facility,
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allegedly with the help
of a correctional officer.
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[indistinct
police radio chatter]
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I was like, damn.
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[sighs]
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[tense music]
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REPORTER:
Pender was convicted in 2002
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for the murder
of her two roommates.
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SARAH: I didn't want
to tell Tom the truth,
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but I didn't know what to say.
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And I'm a terrible liar.
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So I told him the story.
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The evening that Drew
and Trish were murdered,
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Rick and I were out
with my dad and stepmom.
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When Rick and I came home,
Drew and Rick immediately
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started arguing about money that.
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Rick's sister
owed to Drew for drugs.
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Rick's talking about, you know,
fuck this motherfucker.
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And, you know, he said,
you probably want to leave.
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And I told him,
I have nowhere to go.
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Where am I supposed to go?
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[crickets chirping]
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And so I walked
around the neighborhood.
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When I came home,
everything seemed really quiet,
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like, extra quiet.
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And the house was dark.
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And it felt wrong.
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I heard a noise.
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I didn't understand
what the noise was.
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And I called out for Rick.
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And there was no response.
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And I looked.
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I didn't see Drew
or Trish or Rick.
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There was blood on the floor.
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♪♪
258
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And when I got
to the living room,
259
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I saw Rick.
260
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♪♪
261
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Rick was bent over.
262
00:14:11,601 --> 00:14:16,331
He was...
263
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putting Trish's body
into a blanket.
264
00:14:21,611 --> 00:14:27,718
I do remember being very afraid
265
00:14:27,742 --> 00:14:31,346
and thinking that,
what do I do now?
266
00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:33,223
What do I do?
What do I do?
267
00:14:33,247 --> 00:14:35,851
Because I didn't know.
268
00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:37,603
I said, Ricky.
269
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♪♪
270
00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,859
And when he stood up,
he turned around,
271
00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:47,446
and he just looked at me.
272
00:14:47,470 --> 00:14:52,076
♪♪
273
00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:55,245
For a moment,
we just stared at each other.
274
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:59,500
And I clearly thought
to myself, I'm about to die.
275
00:14:59,524 --> 00:15:02,461
♪♪
276
00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:04,171
And so I just froze.
277
00:15:04,195 --> 00:15:07,466
I just froze there,
and I waited.
278
00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:12,930
♪♪
279
00:15:12,954 --> 00:15:14,890
And then I put my hands up,
and I just said,
280
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what do you want me to do?
281
00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:19,520
♪♪
282
00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:22,022
Rick told me
to get another blanket.
283
00:15:22,046 --> 00:15:23,899
And so I did.
284
00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:30,429
♪♪
285
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:36,245
I remember Rick dragging
Trish's body across the floor
286
00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:38,372
to take her out.
287
00:15:38,396 --> 00:15:44,503
And when he put her body
in the back of the truck...
288
00:15:44,527 --> 00:15:47,381
♪♪
289
00:15:47,405 --> 00:15:51,760
I saw that Drew
was already in there.
290
00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:58,058
♪♪
291
00:15:58,082 --> 00:16:02,187
But I didn't know what to do,
292
00:16:02,211 --> 00:16:04,148
except stand there.
293
00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:08,861
♪♪
294
00:16:08,885 --> 00:16:11,113
I just felt so helpless.
295
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:16,118
♪♪
296
00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:19,913
Rick told me to get
into the truck,
297
00:16:19,937 --> 00:16:23,584
and I did.
298
00:16:23,608 --> 00:16:26,712
[engine humming]
299
00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:30,549
I remember very clearly
thinking, this is not real,
300
00:16:30,573 --> 00:16:33,719
and making up
that everything was fine.
301
00:16:33,743 --> 00:16:36,054
♪♪
302
00:16:36,078 --> 00:16:39,933
Rick drove only
a handful of blocks away
303
00:16:39,957 --> 00:16:42,269
to a dumpster behind a building.
304
00:16:42,293 --> 00:16:45,814
♪♪
305
00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:48,817
[car door clicks open,
dull thudding]
306
00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:50,652
♪♪
307
00:16:50,676 --> 00:16:54,907
I only saw when I looked
in the rearview mirror.
308
00:16:54,931 --> 00:16:58,493
♪♪
309
00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:00,329
And then I didn't want
to see anything else.
310
00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:06,168
And so I just looked forward,
and I pretended not to see.
311
00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:13,199
♪♪
312
00:17:15,701 --> 00:17:18,680
[siren wailing]
313
00:17:18,704 --> 00:17:23,727
♪♪
314
00:17:23,751 --> 00:17:26,521
RICHARD: Sarah says she had
nothing to do with this,
315
00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:29,274
that I was the one
that did it all.
316
00:17:29,298 --> 00:17:31,735
And that's not the truth.
317
00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:34,988
That's not what happened
whatsoever.
318
00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:38,200
♪♪
319
00:17:38,224 --> 00:17:41,286
Drew was my friend.
320
00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:42,704
He was my brother.
321
00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:44,623
♪♪
322
00:17:44,647 --> 00:17:49,753
As far as the night
that this all took place, um,
323
00:17:49,777 --> 00:17:52,589
I'm still in the middle
of some of my appeals,
324
00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:56,593
so I can't get into
the full details
325
00:17:56,617 --> 00:18:00,305
of everything that...
that took place.
326
00:18:00,329 --> 00:18:03,600
But I did not...
I did not, uh...
327
00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:06,311
I did not murder Drew and Trish.
328
00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:12,967
♪♪
329
00:18:13,968 --> 00:18:16,113
RYAN: When I was
talking to Rick,
330
00:18:16,137 --> 00:18:21,743
he openly said he walked in
and returned home
331
00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:23,412
and Sarah was rocking
back and forth
332
00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:25,622
holding a shotgun while
two dead bodies were there.
333
00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:28,875
That's what...
that's what he claims.
334
00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:31,878
♪♪
335
00:18:31,902 --> 00:18:34,798
RICHARD: Who are you
gonna believe:
336
00:18:34,822 --> 00:18:37,092
me with my background,
knowing that, uh...
337
00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:38,969
he already knows I'm a drug dude
338
00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:41,096
and have been in the business,
339
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:45,517
6'3 1/2 ", 6'4",
325 pounds, bald head,
340
00:18:45,541 --> 00:18:47,686
goatee, looking like this,
341
00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:50,230
or some girl that's kind of
innocent-looking,
342
00:18:50,254 --> 00:18:54,318
just working her way
through being a young adult.
343
00:18:54,342 --> 00:18:56,194
Who you gonna believe?
344
00:18:56,218 --> 00:18:59,323
♪♪
345
00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:00,616
'Cause females won't lie.
346
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,701
They're not gonna be deceiving.
347
00:19:02,725 --> 00:19:06,747
[laughs]
348
00:19:06,771 --> 00:19:09,690
♪♪
349
00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:15,154
[tense music]
350
00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:50,898
♪♪
351
00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:54,503
Rick just asked me to buy a gun.
352
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:57,464
And I said yes.
353
00:19:57,488 --> 00:20:04,304
I didn't... I didn't question
why he would want it.
354
00:20:04,328 --> 00:20:08,725
Um, there wasn't a lot
of discussion about it, um.
355
00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:10,352
Rick couldn't buy a gun
356
00:20:10,376 --> 00:20:13,105
because he had
a previous felony.
357
00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:18,485
So at 7:30 in the morning,
he drove us to Walmart.
358
00:20:18,509 --> 00:20:19,820
And we walked in.
359
00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:22,989
He picked out the gun
and ammunition that he wanted.
360
00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:27,953
And I bought it,
paid with a check and my ID,
361
00:20:27,977 --> 00:20:33,083
thinking that this was what
I was supposed to be doing.
362
00:20:33,107 --> 00:20:37,129
♪♪
363
00:20:37,153 --> 00:20:40,632
[water sloshing]
364
00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:43,927
[gunshots]
365
00:20:43,951 --> 00:20:47,180
[camera shutter snapping]
366
00:20:47,204 --> 00:20:50,016
[gunshot]
367
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,394
RICHARD:
Did I know if Drew or Trish
368
00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:55,105
was gonna get killed
with that shotgun?
369
00:20:55,129 --> 00:20:57,816
♪♪
370
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,609
No.
371
00:20:59,633 --> 00:21:03,113
Sarah was playing her game,
was... was pointing everything
372
00:21:03,137 --> 00:21:05,657
at me at the very beginning.
373
00:21:05,681 --> 00:21:09,411
I just don't know
what really happened.
374
00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:16,042
What I can say is that Sarah
wanted the... that shotgun.
375
00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:17,752
It was Sarah's idea
to get the...
376
00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:19,463
to go for the protection.
377
00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:22,382
I mean, uh, I was
in the drug business.
378
00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:24,634
If I wanted a gun,
I could have one, OK?
379
00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:27,387
I mean, getting a gun
was not a problem,
380
00:21:27,411 --> 00:21:31,725
would not have been
a problem, um.
381
00:21:31,749 --> 00:21:38,440
♪♪
382
00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:39,983
[indistinct
police radio chatter]
383
00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:41,818
REPORTER: The victims,
a white man and a woman,
384
00:21:41,842 --> 00:21:43,862
were discovered
last night in a dumpster
385
00:21:43,886 --> 00:21:45,405
behind the Teamsters Hall
386
00:21:45,429 --> 00:21:47,491
in the 800 block
of South Meridian.
387
00:21:47,515 --> 00:21:49,576
The two had been shot to death.
388
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,912
♪♪
389
00:21:51,936 --> 00:21:53,663
Well, it's not
an everyday occurrence
390
00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:58,919
to have, uh, bodies
in a dumpster in Indianapolis,
391
00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:02,506
let alone two bodies
in a dumpster.
392
00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:04,883
♪♪
393
00:22:04,907 --> 00:22:08,762
Once we identified our victims,
394
00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:12,682
Andrew Cataldi
and Tricia Nordman,
395
00:22:12,706 --> 00:22:15,143
we were able to connect
the location
396
00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:17,229
of where they had lived.
397
00:22:17,253 --> 00:22:21,733
And we knew that the home
was being rented
398
00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:24,319
by Rick Hall and Sarah Pender.
399
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,655
♪♪
400
00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:29,616
Rick clearly was a suspect.
401
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,285
We knew Rick
had been dealing drugs.
402
00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:34,496
REPORTER: Police came
to believe that this man,
403
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,540
22-year-old Richard Hull,
404
00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,291
who lived with Cataldi
and Nordman,
405
00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:40,627
was the likely murderer.
406
00:22:40,651 --> 00:22:44,089
He was placed under arrest
and charged with, uh,
407
00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:47,384
Andrew and Tricia's murders.
408
00:22:47,408 --> 00:22:52,138
We just didn't know
if Sarah was involved.
409
00:22:52,162 --> 00:22:57,227
♪♪
410
00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:59,771
[tape recorder clicks]
411
00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:03,799
♪♪
412
00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:54,284
ANTHONY:
She was flipping her hair
413
00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:57,871
and fixing her blouse,
fixing her shirt.
414
00:23:57,895 --> 00:24:01,082
I thought she was
the type of woman
415
00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:06,504
that maybe thought she could
talk her way out of this.
416
00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:09,799
But we knew that Sarah
had purchased a weapon.
417
00:24:09,823 --> 00:24:13,219
She helped conceal the evidence.
418
00:24:13,243 --> 00:24:15,913
I felt like she was
more involved than she let on.
419
00:24:51,407 --> 00:24:52,842
I stand firm in my convictions
420
00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:56,805
that she is a very,
very dangerous person.
421
00:24:56,829 --> 00:25:01,518
Uh, she's capable
of doing about anything.
422
00:25:01,542 --> 00:25:05,563
After Sarah escaped
from prison in 2008,
423
00:25:05,587 --> 00:25:09,484
my daughter said, well, Dad,
aren't you a little
424
00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:13,321
worried about what she might do?
425
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,324
I mean, you're the one
that convicted her.
426
00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,660
Don't you think
we ought to be concerned
427
00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:21,454
about her coming here?
428
00:25:21,478 --> 00:25:24,332
I said that I think Sarah
429
00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:28,920
had a dark, evil demon within.
430
00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:31,881
And I think it's a good thing
for Indianapolis
431
00:25:31,905 --> 00:25:36,678
and everybody else that she's
found as soon as possible
432
00:25:36,702 --> 00:25:38,888
because I don't know
what she's capable of doing.
433
00:25:38,912 --> 00:25:42,726
[dramatic music]
434
00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:47,147
When I was a youngster,
I was an actor.
435
00:25:47,171 --> 00:25:49,941
And then I realized
a little later on,
436
00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:52,902
you need to be
gainfully employed.
437
00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:55,572
So I fooled around
and I practiced the law
438
00:25:55,596 --> 00:25:59,200
and eventually ended up
working as a deputy prosecutor
439
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:02,495
in Marion County
Prosecutor's Office.
440
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,957
Sarah Pender had been charged
with two murders.
441
00:26:05,981 --> 00:26:08,376
I was getting to prosecute.
442
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,044
And I loved that.
443
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,296
You know, I felt pretty good
444
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,590
about the evidence in the case.
445
00:26:13,614 --> 00:26:20,621
♪♪
446
00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:27,520
BONNIE: I tried to feel
optimistic about the trial
447
00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:32,942
the best I could, because I had
no idea what the evidence was.
448
00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:37,864
And I just didn't know
what to expect.
449
00:26:37,888 --> 00:26:41,659
SARAH: Before the trial,
I thought that they just
450
00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:44,579
made a mistake
and everything would be OK,
451
00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:47,082
that it would be fixed.
452
00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:50,210
I remember sitting there
thinking,
453
00:26:50,234 --> 00:26:55,924
I couldn't wait to get home,
lay in my bed,
454
00:26:55,948 --> 00:27:01,054
eat lasagne, and figure out
455
00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:03,431
how I was gonna
move forward with my life.
456
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:09,920
♪♪
457
00:27:10,921 --> 00:27:13,191
LARRY:
When the trial started,
458
00:27:13,215 --> 00:27:15,944
Sarah was trying
to convince a jury
459
00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:19,197
that although Rick
did all these horrible things
460
00:27:19,221 --> 00:27:20,824
and committed these murders
461
00:27:20,848 --> 00:27:22,534
and that she was with him
462
00:27:22,558 --> 00:27:26,454
that she didn't
actually participate.
463
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:29,707
She said she was scared.
464
00:27:29,731 --> 00:27:32,001
She thought Rick Hull
might shoot her
465
00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:35,338
if she didn't help him.
466
00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:39,133
And I argued to the jury,
she had that opportunity
467
00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:42,428
to leave the day
after the shootings
468
00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:44,389
to go to law enforcement.
469
00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:46,975
Just why in the hell
didn't you get out of there,
470
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,893
leave, go?
471
00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:50,603
[gunshot]
472
00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:51,980
But she didn't.
473
00:27:52,004 --> 00:27:58,444
♪♪
474
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,864
I've covered
lots of murder cases.
475
00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:02,115
I'm a journalist.
476
00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:04,117
I look for evidence.
I look for facts.
477
00:28:04,141 --> 00:28:07,120
And in Sarah's case,
the facts Larry put forward
478
00:28:07,144 --> 00:28:10,123
were really compelling.
479
00:28:10,147 --> 00:28:13,126
Larry introduced a witness
named Floyd Pennington.
480
00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:15,295
♪♪
481
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:20,466
Floyd had been, uh, locked up
in jail on a robbery charge.
482
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:25,263
She had some sort of steamy
pen-pal relationship with him
483
00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:29,100
while they were both
locked up in jail.
484
00:28:29,124 --> 00:28:30,643
SARAH: When Floyd
entered the courtroom
485
00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:32,645
from the opposite side,
486
00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:35,690
I wanted to yell out, like,
why are you doing this?
487
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:38,067
♪♪
488
00:28:38,091 --> 00:28:39,736
Floyd was charming, and he used
489
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,363
proper spelling and grammar,
490
00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:47,243
and that's unusual
for a lot of people in jail.
491
00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:51,998
After seven months of writing,
Floyd and I decided to organize
492
00:28:52,022 --> 00:28:54,375
a trip to the hospital.
493
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:57,712
♪♪
494
00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:00,298
LARRY: They, uh, feign
some sort of illnesses
495
00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:02,050
so they could talk in person.
496
00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:08,264
♪♪
497
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:10,642
He told her
that he wanted to have
498
00:29:10,666 --> 00:29:14,479
a better... stronger
relationship,
499
00:29:14,503 --> 00:29:16,731
and she did too.
500
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:19,567
But he needed her
to confide in him,
501
00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:22,487
tell him the truth
about the murders
502
00:29:22,511 --> 00:29:25,657
of Andrew Cataldi
and Trish Nordman.
503
00:29:25,681 --> 00:29:27,367
♪♪
504
00:29:27,391 --> 00:29:31,663
VIC: So Floyd said that Sarah
had told him that she wanted
505
00:29:31,687 --> 00:29:36,167
to get rid of the roommates
to... you know, for money
506
00:29:36,191 --> 00:29:38,169
or drug dealing
or whatever it is
507
00:29:38,193 --> 00:29:39,712
they were into at the time...
508
00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:41,923
[water sloshing]
509
00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:43,925
And that she bought the shotgun.
510
00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:47,261
She got Rick angry enough
511
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:49,639
and convinced him
to commit these murders.
512
00:29:49,663 --> 00:29:51,683
♪♪
513
00:29:51,707 --> 00:29:55,103
I wanted to scream out,
like, this is not happening.
514
00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:56,270
He is lying.
515
00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:59,607
How could anyone
believe this man?
516
00:29:59,631 --> 00:30:00,984
How could anybody believe him?
517
00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:03,778
♪♪
518
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:06,239
LARRY: And I said she had
a Charles Manson-like ability
519
00:30:06,263 --> 00:30:10,868
to convince people
to do bad things.
520
00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:14,789
VIC: During the trial, Larry
came out and told the jury
521
00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:17,834
how there's also
this one letter.
522
00:30:17,858 --> 00:30:19,085
[paper rustling]
523
00:30:19,109 --> 00:30:21,629
♪♪
524
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:24,090
It painted a picture of Sarah,
525
00:30:24,114 --> 00:30:29,387
uh, and... and not as a,
you know, innocent victim.
526
00:30:29,411 --> 00:30:30,722
♪♪
527
00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:33,766
It was something
that was certainly shocking.
528
00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:37,520
LARRY: "My dearest Richard,
I just snapped.
529
00:30:37,544 --> 00:30:42,942
I didn't mean to kill them,
it must have been the acid."
530
00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:46,237
SARAH: There was nothing
I could do to defend myself.
531
00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:48,239
And all I could think about
was, I didn't write this.
532
00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:50,575
I didn't write this.
I didn't do this.
533
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,160
LARRY:
"I'll never forget you.
534
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:55,413
"I love you
and I miss you so much.
535
00:30:55,437 --> 00:30:56,831
Love always."
536
00:30:56,855 --> 00:31:00,835
♪♪
537
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:02,420
VIC: Larry,
in his closing argument,
538
00:31:02,444 --> 00:31:05,256
sort of gave two possibilities
539
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,717
of ways of proving
Sarah's guilt.
540
00:31:07,741 --> 00:31:12,764
In one, it was that,
like that letter said,
541
00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:15,975
Sarah was the one who had
actually pulled the trigger
542
00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:18,144
and shot the victims.
543
00:31:18,168 --> 00:31:21,147
And the other scenario
Larry put forward
544
00:31:21,171 --> 00:31:23,191
was Floyd Pennington's
statement,
545
00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:28,988
that Sarah had manipulated Rick
into doing these crimes.
546
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:30,281
It doesn't matter.
547
00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:32,867
If the jury believes
one or the other,
548
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:35,119
um, she's still guilty
of murder.
549
00:31:35,143 --> 00:31:37,413
♪♪
550
00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:40,333
LARRY: And I said,
you have a responsibility
551
00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:42,418
to convict her.
552
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:43,920
And they did.
553
00:31:43,944 --> 00:31:47,048
The jury came back in,
and the judge ruled
554
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,718
that she was guilty
of both murders.
555
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,136
[gavel bangs]
556
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,057
[water sloshing]
557
00:31:56,081 --> 00:32:00,645
Sarah Pender was sentenced
to 110 years.
558
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:07,026
♪♪
559
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:09,695
All I remember is crying.
560
00:32:09,719 --> 00:32:13,866
♪♪
561
00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:19,997
Oh, I cried, you know,
because what do you do?
562
00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,291
I felt like my heart
was ripped out.
563
00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:26,546
♪♪
564
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:30,299
I was lost,
because there was no way
565
00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:33,636
that I could sit in prison
for 110 years
566
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,245
for something I didn't do.
567
00:32:37,581 --> 00:32:39,350
[siren wailing]
568
00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,310
REPORTER: Investigators
say Sarah Pender
569
00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:43,604
is on the loose and dangerous.
570
00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,941
A Marion County jury
convicted her in the year 2000
571
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:49,569
in a double murder.
572
00:32:49,593 --> 00:32:52,905
SARAH: Tom stayed with me
for a few days.
573
00:32:52,929 --> 00:32:56,868
Our relationship deepened,
and I just trusted
574
00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,787
that Tom was not gonna go home
and call the police.
575
00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:01,539
[dramatic music]
576
00:33:01,563 --> 00:33:04,876
He was all these things that,
from the outside looking in,
577
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,503
was a very normal,
upstanding citizen.
578
00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:10,756
But in his private life,
Tom was a sex addict,
579
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:13,759
and he saw an opportunity
for me to be his sex pet.
580
00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:16,971
♪♪
581
00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:21,517
Clear as day, I remember
he asked me if...
582
00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:22,852
it was the oddest thing.
583
00:33:22,876 --> 00:33:26,856
He asked me, do you love me?
584
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,441
I said, no.
585
00:33:28,465 --> 00:33:31,652
He said, do you think
you could love me?
586
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:36,032
I said, yeah,
I think I could love you.
587
00:33:36,056 --> 00:33:38,451
He said, OK.
588
00:33:38,475 --> 00:33:40,828
He said, do you want me
to take care of you?
589
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:42,371
Said, yeah.
590
00:33:42,395 --> 00:33:45,041
And so I began to look
at the relationship as,
591
00:33:45,065 --> 00:33:46,775
I need to play a role.
592
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,848
SARAH: You know,
he was my sugar daddy.
593
00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:03,935
And I never got greedy.
594
00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:08,898
I never wanted him to think
that I was using him.
595
00:34:08,922 --> 00:34:11,734
I always wanted him to know
that he was using me.
596
00:34:11,758 --> 00:34:13,927
♪♪
597
00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:24,038
♪♪
598
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,415
SARAH: Tom wanted
to go to a casino.
599
00:34:26,439 --> 00:34:30,878
He enjoyed gambling
and wanted to show me off
600
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:34,840
as something like a prize.
601
00:34:34,864 --> 00:34:38,177
I was worried that someone
would recognize me,
602
00:34:38,201 --> 00:34:39,971
but I had cut my hair, dyed it.
603
00:34:39,995 --> 00:34:44,267
I was made up in this little
black dress and a necklace.
604
00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:46,185
♪♪
605
00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:49,063
It was a very reckless thing
to go to the casino,
606
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,606
but it made him happy.
607
00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:52,358
It made him want to keep me.
608
00:34:52,382 --> 00:34:54,694
♪♪
609
00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:56,946
One of the things
that made me valuable to Tom
610
00:34:56,970 --> 00:35:00,074
is that I would do
whatever he wanted me to do.
611
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,952
And so when Tom
wanted to go out,
612
00:35:02,976 --> 00:35:05,830
I said yes, because I would
have said yes if he asked me
613
00:35:05,854 --> 00:35:09,333
to turn the sky purple.
614
00:35:09,357 --> 00:35:11,586
[indistinct chatter]
615
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:17,842
But every moment
was tainted with knowing
616
00:35:17,866 --> 00:35:21,846
that someone that had seen me
on the news could spot me.
617
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:23,347
REPORTER:
Others have talked to police,
618
00:35:23,371 --> 00:35:25,433
saying they think
they've spotted Pender.
619
00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:26,976
I became more paranoid.
620
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,352
REPORTER 1: Sarah Pender.
REPORTER 2: Sarah Pender.
621
00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:29,437
REPORTER 3: Sarah Pender.
REPORTER 4: Pender.
622
00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:30,771
REPORTER 5: Sarah Pender.
623
00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:34,066
♪♪
624
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:37,320
I realized it was important
for me to keep moving
625
00:35:37,344 --> 00:35:39,530
and get out of Indianapolis.
626
00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:40,906
♪♪
627
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:43,200
So I asked Tom to help me.
628
00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:45,477
[siren wailing]
629
00:35:46,895 --> 00:35:49,915
[tense music]
630
00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:52,501
♪♪
631
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:53,878
Tom fixed me up with a job
632
00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:57,089
down in Cincinnati working
with a friend of his, uh,
633
00:35:57,113 --> 00:35:59,300
that was a general contractor.
634
00:35:59,324 --> 00:36:02,803
It was really hard
to be away from my friends
635
00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,514
because they had become
such a support system.
636
00:36:05,538 --> 00:36:11,395
And so that sort of solitude
637
00:36:11,419 --> 00:36:12,897
was difficult.
638
00:36:12,921 --> 00:36:17,818
♪♪
639
00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:19,487
PEGGY:
One day at home...
640
00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:21,614
[doorbell rings]
The FedEx guy came,
641
00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:23,532
and I thought Mom
might have ordered something.
642
00:36:23,556 --> 00:36:26,035
She said she didn't
order anything.
643
00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:28,871
And then I got to looking at
it, and it had my name on it.
644
00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:31,666
[paper rustling]
645
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:35,211
Then I opened it up and I seen
it was a little Tracfone,
646
00:36:35,235 --> 00:36:37,088
one that can't be traced.
647
00:36:37,112 --> 00:36:39,131
And then I looked in there again
648
00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:41,467
and seen there was a little
note in there from Sarah.
649
00:36:41,491 --> 00:36:46,222
♪♪
650
00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:49,975
RYAN: It was roadblock after
roadblock after roadblock,
651
00:36:49,999 --> 00:36:53,020
but you can't give up.
652
00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:56,440
I've got certain things
in place, and then, boom.
653
00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:58,067
[phone buzzing]
654
00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:01,529
I get notified by Peggy.
655
00:37:01,553 --> 00:37:03,572
She was nervous, and she goes,
Sarah mailed me a phone,
656
00:37:03,596 --> 00:37:04,990
and she's gonna call me
this Thursday.
657
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:06,367
What do I do?
658
00:37:06,391 --> 00:37:09,286
I was like, don't do anything.
I'll be there Thursday.
659
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,539
So when Peggy reported that
to me,
660
00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:13,207
that took me from cloud one
to cloud nine.
661
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,668
I was excited.
662
00:37:15,692 --> 00:37:17,586
It gives you that other
shot of adrenaline
663
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:19,004
to keep on going
'cause I'm getting closer.
664
00:37:19,028 --> 00:37:22,407
♪♪
665
00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:29,056
[tense music]
666
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,186
♪♪
667
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:36,063
RYAN: When Peggy
got her phone mailed to her,
668
00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:41,235
I called down our tactical
operations truck from Detroit.
669
00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:44,363
He came down for this because
once the phone came up live,
670
00:37:44,387 --> 00:37:47,074
we needed to track
where she's bedded down at.
671
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:49,076
♪♪
672
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,911
When we got to Peggy,
673
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:54,039
you could see Peggy was nervous.
674
00:37:54,063 --> 00:37:57,501
And God love her, you know,
here we are, federal agents,
675
00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,211
and... and... and... and this
is a big deal.
676
00:37:59,235 --> 00:38:01,589
♪♪
677
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:03,549
We're all waiting for this
thing to start ringing.
678
00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:08,304
And all I told Peggy was,
when she calls, be normal.
679
00:38:08,328 --> 00:38:11,682
[phone ringing]
680
00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:13,476
When the phone rang,
it scared me.
681
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:14,518
I jumped.
682
00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:15,811
I didn't know what to expect.
683
00:38:15,835 --> 00:38:19,648
[ringing continues]
684
00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:22,860
SARAH:
Eventually Peggy answered,
685
00:38:22,884 --> 00:38:26,989
and I immediately felt relief,
686
00:38:27,013 --> 00:38:29,950
uh, from this tension
that I had.
687
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:31,911
♪♪
688
00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:33,829
I mean, she was
talking really, kind of,
689
00:38:33,853 --> 00:38:35,998
like, quiet, you know?
690
00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:38,709
So I don't know
where she was at.
691
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:41,337
SARAH: Peggy was crying,
and she's like,
692
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:42,755
they know that I helped you.
693
00:38:42,779 --> 00:38:44,215
I don't want
to go back to prison.
694
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,466
Please, just turn yourself in.
695
00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:50,387
That was so hard
to hear her be scared.
696
00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:51,931
[device beeps]
697
00:38:51,955 --> 00:38:53,724
RYAN: My colleague
was out in the truck,
698
00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:55,976
and he was trying
to locate which tower
699
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,395
and which antenna,
where she was at.
700
00:38:58,419 --> 00:38:59,814
[device beeping]
701
00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:01,607
I'm trying to keep Peggy
on the phone,
702
00:39:01,631 --> 00:39:03,943
'cause the longer I have
the conversation going,
703
00:39:03,967 --> 00:39:05,736
the better it was for us
to get where she was at.
704
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,200
♪♪
705
00:39:11,224 --> 00:39:12,952
I begged her to turn herself in
706
00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:15,996
because they had orders
to shoot to kill.
707
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,583
♪♪
708
00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:21,544
SARAH: I told her,
I can't turn myself in.
709
00:39:21,568 --> 00:39:24,129
This is what I chose to do.
710
00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:26,966
And if I go back,
I'm just going to kill myself.
711
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:29,969
And I told her, if they
find me and they shoot me,
712
00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:32,263
they're only gonna
do me a favor.
713
00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:35,224
♪♪
714
00:39:35,248 --> 00:39:37,434
RYAN: Those are words I'm sure
Peggy didn't want to hear.
715
00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:40,896
And it was the first
indicator that Sarah
716
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,941
didn't want to go back alive.
717
00:39:43,965 --> 00:39:46,026
That goes beyond me speculating.
718
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,237
I heard it
from the horse's mouth
719
00:39:48,261 --> 00:39:50,864
that she's... she's accepted
violence as opposed
720
00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:54,201
to sort of a peaceful surrender.
721
00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:56,495
I remember apologizing
to her and saying,
722
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,831
Peggy, I'm so sorry,
I'm so sorry.
723
00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:00,583
♪♪
724
00:40:00,607 --> 00:40:03,210
And then she hung up.
725
00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:07,006
And I believe that was
the last time I talked to her.
726
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:08,674
RYAN: After the phone call,
I literally took
727
00:40:08,698 --> 00:40:10,634
a beeline out to the truck.
728
00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:12,303
The, uh, technical guy finds out
729
00:40:12,327 --> 00:40:16,557
it's on a tower
outside of Cincinnati, Ohio,
730
00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:19,351
near several motels.
731
00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:21,437
So we'd have to only conclude
732
00:40:21,461 --> 00:40:23,272
she's bedded down somewhere
in one of these rooms.
733
00:40:23,296 --> 00:40:25,316
I mean, God,
that made perfect sense.
734
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:27,318
♪♪
735
00:40:27,342 --> 00:40:28,902
We had the nest.
736
00:40:28,926 --> 00:40:30,863
[tires squealing]
737
00:40:30,887 --> 00:40:33,282
[guns cocking]
738
00:40:33,306 --> 00:40:35,743
I felt that urge,
that excitement.
739
00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:37,369
It's like the dog
on the scent of a trail.
740
00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:39,997
[indistinct
police radio chatter]
741
00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:41,790
So US Marshals
from Cincinnati went out
742
00:40:41,814 --> 00:40:43,000
and canvassed
the area where Sarah
743
00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:45,252
was making this phone call.
744
00:40:45,276 --> 00:40:47,546
I was confident I'd get her.
745
00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:52,343
♪♪
746
00:40:52,367 --> 00:40:55,930
[phone buzzing]
747
00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:57,848
But the marshals
called back from Cincinnati
748
00:40:57,872 --> 00:40:59,350
and basically said, hey,
we've canvassed
749
00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:00,809
all these places... nothing.
750
00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:03,646
No one's seen her at all.
751
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:05,672
[phone snaps]
752
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:08,692
[phone clatters]
753
00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,153
♪♪
754
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:13,322
Looking back, I was
goddamn close to her.
755
00:41:13,346 --> 00:41:15,908
♪♪
756
00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:17,409
[grunts]
757
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:20,496
But a good hunter
will never give up.
758
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,582
I've never had to shoot
anybody, never have.
759
00:41:23,606 --> 00:41:25,751
But I can assure you,
as I'm sitting here,
760
00:41:25,775 --> 00:41:28,420
the magazine
that I carried in my gun,
761
00:41:28,444 --> 00:41:30,714
that first bullet
had her name on it.
762
00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:35,469
♪♪
763
00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:38,472
[dramatic music]
764
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:45,461
♪♪
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