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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,828 --> 00:00:05,135 - McCord named John Dean as having had advanced knowledge 2 00:00:05,179 --> 00:00:07,050 of the Watergate operation. 3 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:09,052 - Right away you could see the beginnings of an effort 4 00:00:09,096 --> 00:00:11,098 to smear John Dean. 5 00:00:11,141 --> 00:00:13,448 - I'm the low guy on the totem pole, and they thought they 6 00:00:13,491 --> 00:00:15,189 could dump things on me. 7 00:00:15,232 --> 00:00:17,669 - This was a Dean plot. - I know it. 8 00:00:17,713 --> 00:00:19,802 - I didn't do it. 9 00:00:19,845 --> 00:00:22,065 - Pressure was building today on President Nixon to appoint 10 00:00:22,109 --> 00:00:23,849 an independent investigator. 11 00:00:23,893 --> 00:00:26,069 - It kept looking worse and worse. 12 00:00:26,113 --> 00:00:29,333 - John Dean has reported today ready to testify. 13 00:00:29,377 --> 00:00:31,814 - They want war? I'll give 'em war. 14 00:00:34,295 --> 00:00:36,906 I began by telling the President that there was 15 00:00:36,949 --> 00:00:39,082 a cancer growing on the presidency, 16 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:41,171 and if the cancer was not removed, 17 00:00:41,215 --> 00:00:43,391 the President himself would be killed by it. 18 00:00:43,434 --> 00:00:47,264 I had let them very clearly know that I was not going 19 00:00:47,308 --> 00:00:49,092 to participate in the matter any further 20 00:00:49,136 --> 00:00:51,094 and I thought it was time that everybody 21 00:00:51,138 --> 00:00:52,835 start thinking about telling the truth. 22 00:00:52,878 --> 00:00:55,751 I, for the first time, said in front of the President 23 00:00:55,794 --> 00:00:58,362 that I thought that Haldeman, Ehrlichman, and Dean 24 00:00:58,406 --> 00:01:00,190 were all indictable for instruction of-- 25 00:01:00,234 --> 00:01:02,323 obstruction of justice. 26 00:01:02,366 --> 00:01:04,238 I could tell that both Haldeman and particularly Ehrlichman 27 00:01:04,281 --> 00:01:07,154 were very unhappy with my comment. 28 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:10,853 - John Dean starts out as a very flawed human being. 29 00:01:10,896 --> 00:01:16,250 He was the typical suck-up and apparatchik. 30 00:01:16,293 --> 00:01:18,643 He was blinded by the power 31 00:01:18,687 --> 00:01:23,474 and the access to all that power can bring 32 00:01:23,518 --> 00:01:26,390 and did not have the experience 33 00:01:26,434 --> 00:01:31,134 or the ethical fortitude to resist the things 34 00:01:31,178 --> 00:01:33,180 that he got involved in. 35 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:38,185 - John Dean has got to the bottom of page 90 36 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:41,971 in a statement that is expected to be about 245 pages. 37 00:01:42,014 --> 00:01:44,147 So he's, uh, by no means halfway through. 38 00:01:44,191 --> 00:01:47,150 He's been talking steadily for about two and one-half hours. 39 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:48,673 Almost every paragraph 40 00:01:48,717 --> 00:01:50,806 contains some sort of a bombshell. 41 00:01:50,849 --> 00:01:53,025 male narrator: The special prosecutors hadn't known 42 00:01:53,069 --> 00:01:55,593 what Dean would say because Dean had refused to talk 43 00:01:55,637 --> 00:01:57,726 to them without immunity, so they had watched 44 00:01:57,769 --> 00:02:00,337 Dean on television along with everyone else. 45 00:02:00,381 --> 00:02:06,038 - The statements that Dean was making seemed farfetched. 46 00:02:06,082 --> 00:02:10,391 It was hard for me to believe that, um, President Nixon 47 00:02:10,434 --> 00:02:14,134 who--say what you will about him--had this reputation 48 00:02:14,177 --> 00:02:17,180 for surrounding himself with efficient 49 00:02:17,224 --> 00:02:20,052 and no-nonsense people-- 50 00:02:20,096 --> 00:02:22,707 would be dependent on someone 51 00:02:22,751 --> 00:02:27,669 as young as John Dean to be in a central role providing 52 00:02:27,712 --> 00:02:31,629 advice about obstructing the investigation. 53 00:02:31,673 --> 00:02:36,808 Clearly his assertions needed to be tested, um, 54 00:02:36,852 --> 00:02:40,595 to the Nth degree in order to be proved credible. 55 00:02:40,638 --> 00:02:42,423 But there was a powerful reason to think 56 00:02:42,466 --> 00:02:44,381 that Dean might be telling the truth. 57 00:02:44,425 --> 00:02:47,210 - He had a huge incentive to testify about everything 58 00:02:47,254 --> 00:02:51,214 that he possibly could because he was testifying under 59 00:02:51,258 --> 00:02:54,957 a grant of use immunity which meant that anything 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,439 he talked about or anything we found out about as a result 61 00:02:58,482 --> 00:03:01,746 of what he testified to we could never use against him 62 00:03:01,790 --> 00:03:03,618 in a trial. 63 00:03:03,661 --> 00:03:06,273 - Meeting with the President on April 15th. 64 00:03:06,316 --> 00:03:08,188 As I was driving into the White House, 65 00:03:08,231 --> 00:03:11,539 I wondered to myself if the meeting was a set-up. 66 00:03:11,582 --> 00:03:14,585 The President, almost from the outset, began asking me 67 00:03:14,629 --> 00:03:17,980 a number of leading questions, which was somewhat unlike 68 00:03:18,023 --> 00:03:22,114 his normal conversational relationships I'd had with him. 69 00:03:22,158 --> 00:03:25,292 Which made me think that the conversation was being taped 70 00:03:25,335 --> 00:03:28,251 and a record was being made to protect himself. 71 00:03:28,295 --> 00:03:29,687 - After more than six hours 72 00:03:29,731 --> 00:03:31,994 of unchallenged testimony yesterday, 73 00:03:32,037 --> 00:03:34,431 John Dean returns to the Senate Watergate Committee 74 00:03:34,475 --> 00:03:36,651 this morning to answer questions. 75 00:03:36,694 --> 00:03:39,262 - These senators on both sides of the aisle know that 76 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:41,482 in front of the nation they have got to ask 77 00:03:41,525 --> 00:03:43,266 the tough questions. 78 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:45,137 As you know, Frank, the senators are armed 79 00:03:45,181 --> 00:03:48,315 with the White House material, logs supplied 80 00:03:48,358 --> 00:03:50,752 by the White House, and they will use those logs 81 00:03:50,795 --> 00:03:52,841 to try to, ah, jar Dean's story. 82 00:03:52,884 --> 00:03:56,975 - You're fully aware, Mr. Dean, of the gravity of the charges 83 00:03:57,019 --> 00:04:00,675 you have made under oath against the highest official 84 00:04:00,718 --> 00:04:03,243 of our land, the President of the United States? 85 00:04:03,286 --> 00:04:05,288 - Yes, I am. 86 00:04:05,332 --> 00:04:08,683 - And being so aware, do you still stand on your statement? 87 00:04:08,726 --> 00:04:10,380 - Yes, I do. 88 00:04:10,424 --> 00:04:13,557 - Why didn't you, as Counsel to the President, 89 00:04:13,601 --> 00:04:16,604 go to him at that time and tell him what was happening? 90 00:04:16,647 --> 00:04:19,824 - Senator, I was participating in the cover-up at that time. 91 00:04:19,868 --> 00:04:23,524 - Now you're testifying I believe under use immunity 92 00:04:23,567 --> 00:04:25,308 that this committee has granted to you. 93 00:04:25,352 --> 00:04:27,223 - That is correct. 94 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:30,095 - You would not be here testifying today had we not 95 00:04:30,139 --> 00:04:32,359 granted that use immunity, would you? 96 00:04:32,402 --> 00:04:35,884 - Probably be before the prosecutors, downtown. 97 00:04:35,927 --> 00:04:39,104 - Now, you refused to testify before the Grand Jury, 98 00:04:39,148 --> 00:04:41,237 I believe, did you not? - That is correct. 99 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:42,412 - You pled the Fifth Amendment there? 100 00:04:42,456 --> 00:04:44,327 - That is correct. 101 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:46,938 - You have been bargaining with them for immunity, which has 102 00:04:46,982 --> 00:04:49,463 not yet been granted. Is that an accurate statement? 103 00:04:49,506 --> 00:04:51,552 - That is correct, Senator. 104 00:04:51,595 --> 00:04:56,121 - The net sum of your testimony is fairly mind-boggling. 105 00:04:58,689 --> 00:05:03,433 It occurs to me that at this point the central question 106 00:05:03,477 --> 00:05:04,956 is simply put. 107 00:05:06,915 --> 00:05:09,787 What did the President know, 108 00:05:09,831 --> 00:05:11,223 and when did he know it? 109 00:05:13,487 --> 00:05:15,619 Howard Baker became famous for that question, 110 00:05:15,663 --> 00:05:17,882 but it was less sincere than it seemed. 111 00:05:17,926 --> 00:05:20,363 - His famous question of 112 00:05:20,407 --> 00:05:24,454 what did he know and when did he know it was really-- 113 00:05:24,498 --> 00:05:27,327 I spotted it as did Charlie immediately. 114 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:29,894 It was an effort to get me to perjure myself 115 00:05:29,938 --> 00:05:32,157 by narrowing me down. 116 00:05:32,201 --> 00:05:35,030 'Cause Baker had been told by then that, 117 00:05:35,073 --> 00:05:38,381 "We think we can have a way to discredit Dean." 118 00:05:38,425 --> 00:05:41,341 So that's why they tried to pull me through tape-- 119 00:05:41,384 --> 00:05:43,778 by conversation by conversation by conversation, 120 00:05:43,821 --> 00:05:46,084 to which I under-testified. 121 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:48,348 Nixon and Haldeman had hoped to catch Dean 122 00:05:48,391 --> 00:05:50,915 in mistakes about names, places, and dates, 123 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:52,569 which is why they wanted Baker to ask 124 00:05:52,613 --> 00:05:54,615 extremely detailed questions. 125 00:05:54,658 --> 00:05:56,747 But as Howard Baker listened to Dean, 126 00:05:56,791 --> 00:05:59,576 he began to realize that Nixon probably couldn't survive, 127 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:02,449 and so the White House started losing its mole. 128 00:06:02,492 --> 00:06:06,714 - He never really even tried to lay a glove on me, 129 00:06:06,757 --> 00:06:08,629 because he didn't know what would come out. 130 00:06:08,672 --> 00:06:10,848 Next, the White House argued that Dean 131 00:06:10,892 --> 00:06:13,634 had masterminded the cover-up without Nixon's knowledge. 132 00:06:13,677 --> 00:06:16,376 Nixon's Watergate attorney, J. Fred Buzhardt, 133 00:06:16,419 --> 00:06:19,422 sent the Watergate Committee a long list of accusations. 134 00:06:19,466 --> 00:06:21,032 - And as you know, Mr. Chairman, 135 00:06:21,076 --> 00:06:23,600 the White House has prepared a memorandum 136 00:06:23,644 --> 00:06:27,735 and a set of questions for use by this committee, 137 00:06:27,778 --> 00:06:30,694 and so with that in mind, I wish to proceed, sir. 138 00:06:30,738 --> 00:06:33,218 Dean's activity in the cover-up 139 00:06:33,262 --> 00:06:35,830 also made him, perhaps unwittingly, 140 00:06:35,873 --> 00:06:37,919 the principal author 141 00:06:37,962 --> 00:06:40,269 of the political and constitutional crisis 142 00:06:40,312 --> 00:06:43,228 that Watergate now epitomizes. 143 00:06:45,187 --> 00:06:47,711 It would have been embarrassing for the President 144 00:06:47,755 --> 00:06:49,670 if the true facts had become known 145 00:06:49,713 --> 00:06:52,150 shortly after June 17, 146 00:06:52,194 --> 00:06:54,109 but it is the kind of embarrassment 147 00:06:54,152 --> 00:06:55,937 that an immensely popular President 148 00:06:55,980 --> 00:06:57,852 could easily have weathered. 149 00:06:57,895 --> 00:06:59,375 The political-- 150 00:07:00,985 --> 00:07:03,423 The political problem has been magnified 151 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:07,557 1,000 fold because the truth is coming out-- 152 00:07:07,601 --> 00:07:11,169 coming to light so belatedly because of insinuations 153 00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:13,650 that the White House was a party to the cover-up 154 00:07:13,694 --> 00:07:16,784 and above all because the White House was led 155 00:07:16,827 --> 00:07:19,526 to say things about Watergate that have since been found 156 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:21,353 to have been untrue. 157 00:07:21,397 --> 00:07:26,141 These added consequences were John Dean's doing. 158 00:07:26,184 --> 00:07:28,839 - Well, Senator, I think that, uh, 159 00:07:28,883 --> 00:07:33,496 my testimony answers, in great detail, 160 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:36,543 my dealings wi Mr. Haldeman, Mr. Ehrlichman, 161 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:38,283 and the President, 162 00:07:38,327 --> 00:07:42,462 and based on what I know and knowing the-- 163 00:07:42,505 --> 00:07:47,771 the, uh, position I held on the White House staff, 164 00:07:47,815 --> 00:07:51,383 there is no way conceivable that I could have done 165 00:07:51,427 --> 00:07:54,082 and conceived and implemented the plan 166 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:57,520 that they're trying to suggest that I did. 167 00:07:57,564 --> 00:08:00,828 - Relieved of his Watergate duties by the President 168 00:08:00,871 --> 00:08:04,179 and aware that his own complicity had become obvious, 169 00:08:04,222 --> 00:08:08,183 Dean decided to strike out on his own to hunt for immunity 170 00:08:08,226 --> 00:08:10,968 for the long list of wrongs he had committed. 171 00:08:11,012 --> 00:08:13,449 His increasingly shrill efforts 172 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:15,538 since that date to save himself 173 00:08:15,582 --> 00:08:18,019 by striking out recklessly at others 174 00:08:18,062 --> 00:08:23,633 are too familiar and too painful to require mention. 175 00:08:23,677 --> 00:08:25,679 This ends the memorandum, Mr. Chairman. 176 00:08:25,722 --> 00:08:29,204 - I would only add to that, uh, Senator, 177 00:08:29,247 --> 00:08:33,338 I think that if anyone who has been on the receiving end 178 00:08:33,382 --> 00:08:36,907 of adverse publicity, it's been this witness 179 00:08:36,951 --> 00:08:39,040 and not any of the other witnesses, 180 00:08:39,083 --> 00:08:41,259 and I have not dealt in personalities, 181 00:08:41,303 --> 00:08:43,000 nor will I deal in personalities 182 00:08:43,044 --> 00:08:45,263 at any time during these hearings. 183 00:08:45,307 --> 00:08:47,570 - John Dean lived right across the street from me, 184 00:08:47,614 --> 00:08:49,833 and I had the opportunity on several occasions 185 00:08:49,877 --> 00:08:52,488 to talk to him informally. 186 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:55,317 I happened to be over at John's house 187 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,624 and I asked him at that time, 188 00:08:57,667 --> 00:09:01,584 was there anything else, aside from what he had testified to, 189 00:09:01,628 --> 00:09:04,021 that might be of interest? 190 00:09:04,065 --> 00:09:07,982 And it was then that he showed me the, uh, the enemies list. 191 00:09:08,025 --> 00:09:14,336 - These are from a file, uh, 192 00:09:14,379 --> 00:09:18,688 that's entitled "Opponents List and Political Enemies Project." 193 00:09:18,732 --> 00:09:20,298 - And, Sam, I understand you have a copy 194 00:09:20,342 --> 00:09:22,300 of the enemies list that's been referred to. 195 00:09:22,344 --> 00:09:24,476 - I do. I do, Frank. It's not complete. 196 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,609 Remember, Dean said there were several updatings. 197 00:09:26,653 --> 00:09:28,655 - I'll first read their names first, 198 00:09:28,698 --> 00:09:31,135 but then I will tell you more about them as inscribed here. 199 00:09:31,179 --> 00:09:33,094 One, Arnold Picker of United Artists, 200 00:09:33,137 --> 00:09:35,662 described as a top Muskie fundraiser. 201 00:09:35,705 --> 00:09:37,838 - Ed Guthman, Managing Editor of "The L.A. Times," 202 00:09:37,881 --> 00:09:39,840 a former Kennedy aide. 203 00:09:39,883 --> 00:09:43,147 "A highly sophisticated hatchet man against us in '68." 204 00:09:43,191 --> 00:09:46,324 - Morton Halperin, leading executive at Common Cause, 205 00:09:46,368 --> 00:09:49,153 and it says, "A scandal would be most helpful here," 206 00:09:49,197 --> 00:09:50,677 as a designation under him. 207 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,070 - Black Panthers, Brookings Institution, 208 00:09:53,114 --> 00:09:55,638 Common Cause, Council for a Livable World, 209 00:09:55,682 --> 00:09:58,119 Farmers Union NFO, 210 00:09:58,162 --> 00:10:00,034 National Student Association, 211 00:10:00,077 --> 00:10:02,123 Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 212 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:03,994 and I'm just skimming now, Frank. 213 00:10:04,038 --> 00:10:05,126 - Don't skim, Sam. Go ahead. 214 00:10:05,169 --> 00:10:06,562 It's all interesting. 215 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:08,825 - And National Student Association. 216 00:10:08,869 --> 00:10:11,611 - Daniel Schorr of the Columbia Broadcasting System 217 00:10:11,654 --> 00:10:13,525 in Washington. 218 00:10:13,569 --> 00:10:16,616 The note here is, "A real media enemy." 219 00:10:16,659 --> 00:10:18,356 - Apparently you're not on the list, Frank. 220 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,010 - Well, that's all right. That's all right. 221 00:10:20,054 --> 00:10:21,621 Neither are you, are you, Sam? 222 00:10:21,664 --> 00:10:23,144 - I haven't found my name either. 223 00:10:23,187 --> 00:10:24,493 Let me just do one more-- 224 00:10:24,536 --> 00:10:25,929 I know you want to take it back, 225 00:10:25,973 --> 00:10:27,365 but here's a celebrities list. - No, no. 226 00:10:27,409 --> 00:10:29,324 - Carol Channing, Bill Cosby, 227 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:31,239 Jane Fonda, Steve McQueen, 228 00:10:31,282 --> 00:10:33,110 Joe Namath, Paul Newman, Gregory Peck, 229 00:10:33,154 --> 00:10:35,504 Tony Randall, Barbra Streisand, and Dick Gregory. 230 00:10:35,547 --> 00:10:37,680 The White House apparently didn't like any of them, Frank. 231 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:40,857 - Didn't like Joe Namath, the football player? 232 00:10:40,901 --> 00:10:42,772 - Well, his name's on the list. 233 00:10:42,816 --> 00:10:44,687 It says, "Joe Namath, New York Giants, businessman..." 234 00:10:44,731 --> 00:10:47,472 - New York Giants? - "And actor." 235 00:10:47,516 --> 00:10:50,345 - Who made up that list? - Well, I don't know! 236 00:10:50,388 --> 00:10:52,521 Is this the list? Is this the portion of the list 237 00:10:52,564 --> 00:10:55,350 that's been turned over to you by John Dean 238 00:10:55,393 --> 00:10:58,353 as being so-called enemies of the White House? 239 00:10:58,396 --> 00:11:01,225 It is an addition to a list we got earlier. 240 00:11:01,269 --> 00:11:03,227 - That would appear to be, Sam. 241 00:11:03,271 --> 00:11:05,447 - I don't think, I don't think, Sam, it's all of it. 242 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:07,405 - That's not all of it? 243 00:11:07,449 --> 00:11:10,104 Well, there must be 200 names on this list. 244 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:12,976 - There are more. - There are more. 245 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:14,543 - What is your understanding of what the White House 246 00:11:14,586 --> 00:11:17,502 was gonna do to these people or try to do to them? 247 00:11:17,546 --> 00:11:19,243 - Well, as you know, in some of the papers 248 00:11:19,287 --> 00:11:22,638 that you've already seen, you've seen very derogatory 249 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:25,032 personal type of comments. 250 00:11:25,075 --> 00:11:26,990 In other instances, you've seen the suggestive use 251 00:11:27,034 --> 00:11:29,079 of the Internal Revenue Service. 252 00:11:29,123 --> 00:11:32,430 - So your testimony produces quite a stir. 253 00:11:32,474 --> 00:11:36,173 - 80 million Americans, that's what I was told. 254 00:11:36,217 --> 00:11:38,828 The ones that blew me away is-- 255 00:11:38,872 --> 00:11:42,266 were when Sam Dash, who was apparently surprised also, 256 00:11:42,310 --> 00:11:45,530 said I was--part of my fan club included people like 257 00:11:45,574 --> 00:11:47,750 Elizabeth Taylor. 258 00:11:47,794 --> 00:11:50,492 They were getting telegrams from people like that. 259 00:11:50,535 --> 00:11:53,016 - He had done something that was stunningly brave, 260 00:11:53,060 --> 00:11:54,714 to come out and take on 261 00:11:54,757 --> 00:11:56,585 the President of the United States. 262 00:11:56,628 --> 00:11:59,196 Think what it takes to stick a knife 263 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,765 in the heart of a president, 264 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:05,507 and there was no guarantee 265 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:08,858 that Nixon wasn't going to stay in power at that point. 266 00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:12,514 - I'm quite aware of the fact that in some circumstances 267 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:15,560 it's gonna be my word against one man's word, 268 00:12:15,604 --> 00:12:18,085 it's gonna be my word against two men, 269 00:12:18,128 --> 00:12:19,956 it's gonna be my word against three men, 270 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,610 and probably in some cases 271 00:12:21,653 --> 00:12:23,830 it's gonna be my word against four men, 272 00:12:23,873 --> 00:12:28,095 but I am prepared to stand on my word and the truth 273 00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:30,401 and the knowledge and the facts I have, 274 00:12:30,445 --> 00:12:35,145 and, uh, I know the truth is my ally in this, 275 00:12:35,189 --> 00:12:37,495 and I think ultimately the truth is going to come out. 276 00:12:37,539 --> 00:12:40,020 - So he has given very damaging testimony. 277 00:12:40,063 --> 00:12:43,371 As always, the question is, is he to be believed? 278 00:12:43,414 --> 00:12:46,330 - The credibility of this man as the country perceives it 279 00:12:46,374 --> 00:12:47,941 is so important. 280 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:50,117 The presidency itself could hang on it. 281 00:12:54,425 --> 00:12:55,992 The committee forced Ehrlichman 282 00:12:56,036 --> 00:12:57,124 and Haldeman to testify after Dean. 283 00:12:57,167 --> 00:12:59,039 - Let's be clear. 284 00:12:59,082 --> 00:13:01,693 I did not cover up anything to do with Watergate. 285 00:13:01,737 --> 00:13:03,434 They denied everything, 286 00:13:03,478 --> 00:13:05,132 and there was not yet any definitive evidence 287 00:13:05,175 --> 00:13:07,612 against them, but they got nailed anyway. 288 00:13:07,656 --> 00:13:10,006 - So there came a time when you were administering 289 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:12,139 an investigative unit? 290 00:13:12,182 --> 00:13:15,882 - Yes, in a--in a literal sense, that's true. 291 00:13:15,925 --> 00:13:17,492 - A literal sense? - Yes, sir. 292 00:13:17,535 --> 00:13:20,364 - But not in an actual sense? 293 00:13:20,408 --> 00:13:22,279 - Well, I didn't-- 294 00:13:22,323 --> 00:13:24,586 Here I am, dueling with a professor on the words. 295 00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:25,979 - No, I'm not dueling with you. 296 00:13:26,022 --> 00:13:27,676 I'm just trying to get a-- 297 00:13:27,719 --> 00:13:30,418 - Professor, if you say actual, it's actual. 298 00:13:30,461 --> 00:13:33,247 - As soon as Howard Baker realized 299 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:37,251 that much of what was being said about Nixon was true 300 00:13:37,294 --> 00:13:41,733 and based in fact, he immediately backed off 301 00:13:41,777 --> 00:13:44,562 and became probably the most prominent questioner 302 00:13:44,606 --> 00:13:47,174 of witnesses. 303 00:13:47,217 --> 00:13:49,698 - When did you first learn of the break-in? 304 00:13:49,741 --> 00:13:52,527 - On the day following the break-in 305 00:13:52,570 --> 00:13:55,051 when I received this telephone call toward dusk, 306 00:13:55,095 --> 00:13:56,792 late in the afternoon. 307 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:58,794 - Did you talk to the President on the 17th? 308 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:00,361 - No, I didn't. Not that I can recall. 309 00:14:00,404 --> 00:14:02,232 - Did you talk to Mr. Haldeman on the 17th? 310 00:14:02,276 --> 00:14:04,756 - I think I talked to him the following day. 311 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,236 - Were you concerned about it? 312 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,196 - Not--not particularly. 313 00:14:09,239 --> 00:14:12,677 - If someone on my staff, even remotely on my staff 314 00:14:12,721 --> 00:14:14,679 were charged with breaking and entering 315 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,377 to the Democratic National Committee headquarters 316 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:17,987 or someone I was even 317 00:14:18,031 --> 00:14:20,033 associated with in a newspaper column, 318 00:14:20,076 --> 00:14:24,037 that I would be determined to find out if that happened. 319 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,214 Now, was there this air of urgency in the White House 320 00:14:27,257 --> 00:14:29,607 on your part or Haldeman's part or Dean's part? 321 00:14:29,651 --> 00:14:31,218 It's not coming through that way. 322 00:14:31,261 --> 00:14:34,003 It sounds like a routine staff operation, 323 00:14:34,047 --> 00:14:36,310 but this wasn't a routine staff operation. 324 00:14:36,353 --> 00:14:38,355 - Uh... 325 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,444 Point one, he wasn't on my staff, 326 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:44,231 but that's-- that's beside the point. 327 00:14:44,274 --> 00:14:45,972 - Some believe that your questioning 328 00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:48,496 was really for the first time a very strong, 329 00:14:48,539 --> 00:14:50,977 hostile questioning of an administration witness. 330 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:52,500 Now is that a fair statement? 331 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:54,937 - No, I don't think it is, really. 332 00:14:54,981 --> 00:14:57,461 If it is, it's an unconscious situation, 333 00:14:57,505 --> 00:14:59,420 because I'm trying today 334 00:14:59,463 --> 00:15:01,204 as I was trying when these hearings began 335 00:15:01,248 --> 00:15:03,293 to treat everyone the same 336 00:15:03,337 --> 00:15:06,470 and to pursue the matter as dispassionately 337 00:15:06,514 --> 00:15:08,995 as very passionate circumstances will permit. 338 00:15:09,038 --> 00:15:12,824 - Do you believe that spending political campaign funds 339 00:15:12,868 --> 00:15:17,960 to pay for the defense of the criminal defendants 340 00:15:18,004 --> 00:15:19,962 could embarrass the President? 341 00:15:20,006 --> 00:15:22,443 - I don't know. I don't know what-- 342 00:15:22,486 --> 00:15:26,229 It depends on the circumstances and the situation, I think. 343 00:15:26,273 --> 00:15:28,188 - What about these circumstances 344 00:15:28,231 --> 00:15:32,322 and this situation involving the Watergate? 345 00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:34,716 - I don't know that I can make a judgment on that. 346 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:37,762 - I'd like to submit to you a document, 347 00:15:37,806 --> 00:15:40,940 "Re: Charlotte, North Carolina, demonstration. 348 00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:43,812 "One, the most recent intelligence 349 00:15:43,855 --> 00:15:46,597 "that has been received from the advanceman, Bill Henkel, 350 00:15:46,641 --> 00:15:50,036 and the U.S.S.--" United States Secret Service, I gather, 351 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:51,341 "is that we will have demonstrators 352 00:15:51,385 --> 00:15:53,300 "in Charlotte tomorrow. 353 00:15:53,343 --> 00:15:55,171 "The number is running between 100 and 200. 354 00:15:55,215 --> 00:15:58,870 "The advanceman's gut reaction is between 150 and 200. 355 00:15:58,914 --> 00:16:00,742 They will be violent," 356 00:16:00,785 --> 00:16:03,223 with a penciled underlining of "violent." 357 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:05,790 "They will have extremely obscene signs," 358 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:08,750 underlining "obscene." 359 00:16:08,793 --> 00:16:11,100 And next to the word "obscene," 360 00:16:11,144 --> 00:16:13,102 penciled in writing which to me, 361 00:16:13,146 --> 00:16:14,756 and you'll have to confirm this-- 362 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:16,323 it seems to be the same as the writing 363 00:16:16,366 --> 00:16:18,368 below your initialing. 364 00:16:18,412 --> 00:16:20,283 It appears to be yours. If not, I want you to say so-- 365 00:16:20,327 --> 00:16:22,198 saying, "Good." 366 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:28,465 Is that your writing there where it says, "Good"? 367 00:16:28,509 --> 00:16:30,206 - I believe it is, yes, sir. - Mm-hmm. 368 00:16:32,078 --> 00:16:34,036 - "As has been indicated by their handbills. 369 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,778 "It will not only be directed toward the President, 370 00:16:36,821 --> 00:16:39,607 but also toward Billy Graham," 371 00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:43,480 underlining--underlining, "also toward Billy Graham," 372 00:16:43,524 --> 00:16:45,700 where you penciled in "Great." 373 00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:49,399 My question specifically relates 374 00:16:49,443 --> 00:16:53,055 to exactly what mentality it is in the White House 375 00:16:53,099 --> 00:16:56,624 that goes ahead and indicates good 376 00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:58,626 when the word violence is mentioned, 377 00:16:58,669 --> 00:17:00,280 when obscenity is mentioned, 378 00:17:00,323 --> 00:17:02,369 which violence and which obscenity 379 00:17:02,412 --> 00:17:04,980 is to be directed against the President of the United States. 380 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:07,809 How in any way can that be good? 381 00:17:07,852 --> 00:17:11,769 - Slowly but surely as the facts came out, 382 00:17:11,813 --> 00:17:15,991 the American people were scratching their heads 383 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:17,993 as to their own President. 384 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:21,388 - I think it reflects poor judgment on Nixon's part, 385 00:17:21,431 --> 00:17:24,869 his, um, choice of people surrounding him. 386 00:17:24,913 --> 00:17:26,958 - I follow it a lot, and I know that Nixon, 387 00:17:27,002 --> 00:17:28,917 he's the head of it. 388 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,702 He knows everything that goes on in the White House, 389 00:17:31,746 --> 00:17:34,357 and they say he didn't, but you know he knows all about it. 390 00:17:34,401 --> 00:17:36,577 - Even if he isn't, you know, it bothers me 391 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:39,754 in the sense that he would surround himself 392 00:17:39,797 --> 00:17:41,451 with the people that he surrounded himself with 393 00:17:41,495 --> 00:17:43,105 who were involved in it. 394 00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:45,151 Though increasingly isolated, 395 00:17:45,194 --> 00:17:47,892 Nixon continued to fight, including blocking requests 396 00:17:47,936 --> 00:17:49,807 from Ervin's Watergate Committee. 397 00:17:49,851 --> 00:17:52,158 - I'll sit on those papers 398 00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:57,032 if I have to burn every Goddamn paper in this house. 399 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:59,774 I spoke to Ervin today. 400 00:17:59,817 --> 00:18:02,994 I said, "What's your goal, Senator?" 401 00:18:03,038 --> 00:18:05,127 He'd written a letter demanding documents. 402 00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:06,737 He said, "We want any activities 403 00:18:06,781 --> 00:18:08,522 to do with Watergate." 404 00:18:08,565 --> 00:18:11,612 And I said, "No, Senator. That's not happening. 405 00:18:11,655 --> 00:18:14,571 Everything from your committee leaks." 406 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,402 I was decent, 407 00:18:19,446 --> 00:18:21,926 but I was very tough. 408 00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:23,928 - I think the press has had it, and they know it. 409 00:18:23,972 --> 00:18:25,800 - As far as I'm concerned, 410 00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:29,760 so we'll have a constitutional crisis. 411 00:18:29,804 --> 00:18:32,372 If we lose, I'll burn the papers. 412 00:18:32,415 --> 00:18:36,941 "Your council isn't gonna paw through my papers." 413 00:18:36,985 --> 00:18:38,813 He got the message. 414 00:18:41,207 --> 00:18:43,557 Baker was too soft. 415 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,517 He threw softballs to Dean, he mishandled Mitchell. 416 00:18:47,561 --> 00:18:51,521 - That's bad, but actually it's working out pretty well. 417 00:18:51,565 --> 00:18:54,350 Mitchell came across as a mature, tough guy. 418 00:18:54,394 --> 00:18:55,960 - Really? - Yeah, and compared 419 00:18:56,004 --> 00:18:58,615 to the selfish little bastards Magruder and Dean, 420 00:18:58,659 --> 00:19:01,662 at least you could see why Mitchell was in a top job. 421 00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:05,187 I of course believe what you say, but it's irrelevant. 422 00:19:05,231 --> 00:19:07,146 90% of the stuff they're talking about 423 00:19:07,189 --> 00:19:08,495 goes on all the time. 424 00:19:08,538 --> 00:19:10,105 - That's right. 425 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:11,846 - Then you consider the massive things 426 00:19:11,889 --> 00:19:13,978 you've done for the country. 427 00:19:14,022 --> 00:19:16,894 The treasonable actions that these people condoned. 428 00:19:16,938 --> 00:19:18,635 - They are treason. 429 00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:20,898 - Taking 10,000 documents in the middle of the war, 430 00:19:20,942 --> 00:19:22,248 attacking the military. 431 00:19:22,291 --> 00:19:24,075 Mansfield cut off the funds for the war. 432 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,860 That is immoral. 433 00:19:25,903 --> 00:19:28,167 - Well, don't you worry. 434 00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:29,559 - I don't worry. 435 00:19:29,603 --> 00:19:33,998 - Keep--keep fighting. 436 00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:35,652 A few days later, 437 00:19:35,696 --> 00:19:37,393 a Watergate Committee investigator 438 00:19:37,437 --> 00:19:39,221 questioned an obscure White House official, 439 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:41,180 Alexander Butterfield. 440 00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:43,834 Butterfield's answers were a huge surprise, 441 00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:46,707 and they suddenly revealed Nixon's biggest secret, 442 00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:49,753 something nobody had known, not Nixon's own staff, 443 00:19:49,797 --> 00:19:51,320 not Woodward and Bernstein, 444 00:19:51,364 --> 00:19:52,626 not the FBI, 445 00:19:52,669 --> 00:19:54,454 not the special prosecutor. 446 00:19:58,458 --> 00:20:00,024 - Subcommittee will come to order. 447 00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:03,724 - My name is Alexander Porter Butterfield. 448 00:20:03,767 --> 00:20:05,813 - Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation 449 00:20:05,856 --> 00:20:08,511 of any listening devices of the Oval Office of the President? 450 00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:17,520 - I was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. 451 00:20:17,564 --> 00:20:18,956 - As far as you know, did Mr. Ehrlichman 452 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,394 or Mr. Dean know about the existence 453 00:20:21,437 --> 00:20:23,047 or the presence of those devices? 454 00:20:23,091 --> 00:20:24,745 - That would be very unlikely. 455 00:20:24,788 --> 00:20:28,575 My guess is that they definitely did not know. 456 00:20:28,618 --> 00:20:30,316 - One last question, if one were therefore 457 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,144 to reconstruct the conversations 458 00:20:33,188 --> 00:20:35,625 at any particular date, what would be the best way 459 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:38,062 to reconstruct those conversations, Mr. Butterfield? 460 00:20:41,065 --> 00:20:44,155 - Well, in the obvious manner, Mr. Dash. 461 00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:49,030 To obtain the tape and play it. 462 00:20:49,073 --> 00:20:50,684 - I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman. 463 00:20:52,816 --> 00:20:54,992 - We have just heard startling testimony 464 00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:56,951 that the President's office, 465 00:20:56,994 --> 00:20:59,562 the President's phone are all bugged. 466 00:20:59,606 --> 00:21:02,609 - We heard about it as the nation heard about it. 467 00:21:02,652 --> 00:21:04,219 That was a game-changer. 468 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:06,830 - John Dean didn't know about it. 469 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:10,312 He had been relying solely on his notes and memory 470 00:21:10,356 --> 00:21:13,533 to testify to specific conversations, 471 00:21:13,576 --> 00:21:17,798 and now there's a chance that every one of those is recorded, 472 00:21:17,841 --> 00:21:20,104 every single word he spoke, 473 00:21:20,148 --> 00:21:22,324 and he knows, as we did, 474 00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:25,545 that if they didn't confirm exactly what he said, 475 00:21:25,588 --> 00:21:28,243 he'd have no credibility and our case was over. 476 00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:30,463 Nixon's lawyer, J. Fred Buzhardt, 477 00:21:30,506 --> 00:21:33,944 was blindsided by the tapes because Nixon had lied to him. 478 00:21:33,988 --> 00:21:35,772 A month earlier, Buzhardt had heard 479 00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:37,600 that Nixon had offered to play a tape 480 00:21:37,644 --> 00:21:39,950 for Henry Petersen of the Justice Department. 481 00:21:39,994 --> 00:21:42,083 So Buzhardt asked Nixon about tapes, 482 00:21:42,126 --> 00:21:44,999 and Nixon lied about them on tape. 483 00:21:45,042 --> 00:21:48,655 - He said Henry had told him that you had offered 484 00:21:48,698 --> 00:21:52,267 to permit him to hear a tape of a conversation with Dean 485 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:58,142 that you had on--had on Sunday, April 15th. 486 00:21:58,186 --> 00:22:00,188 We did not comment on that. 487 00:22:00,231 --> 00:22:02,495 - I haven't got a tape. 488 00:22:02,538 --> 00:22:05,062 I don't have any tape. 489 00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:08,762 - So that was a misunderstanding on his part? 490 00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:10,938 - In fact, I haven't any notes on that. 491 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:14,420 - Had you known there was a taping system? 492 00:22:14,463 --> 00:22:16,726 - No. - Did it surprise you? 493 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:20,426 - Yes, I--yes, it did. 494 00:22:20,469 --> 00:22:24,038 It jolted me, it surprised me. 495 00:22:24,081 --> 00:22:26,780 And a week after it became known, after I thought on it, 496 00:22:26,823 --> 00:22:28,782 I sent Nixon a memo, I said, 497 00:22:28,825 --> 00:22:30,261 "You're gonna have to keep the Dean tapes, 498 00:22:30,305 --> 00:22:32,002 those conversations--" 499 00:22:32,046 --> 00:22:34,440 Again, I didn't think they'd impeach Nixon. 500 00:22:34,483 --> 00:22:36,920 I wasn't sure that-- did I believe Nixon. 501 00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:38,966 "Keep the Dean tapes, 502 00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:41,447 "keep the Brezhnev and all the other foreign policy tapes. 503 00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:44,014 "Take the rest of them out and burn them. 504 00:22:44,058 --> 00:22:46,060 "Take all the tapes out and burn them, 505 00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:49,237 "and get rid of the Archie Cox and the-- 506 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,413 "and the special prosecutor's office 507 00:22:51,457 --> 00:22:53,241 "of the independent counsel. 508 00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:55,374 "Shut the thing down because this is gonna grow 509 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:57,245 into a monster, and it will kill us." 510 00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:59,290 - The White House today confirmed 511 00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:02,250 that the President no longer secretly records conversations. 512 00:23:02,293 --> 00:23:04,861 Deputy News Secretary Gerald Warren said, quote, 513 00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:06,907 "The system has been deactivated." 514 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:08,735 - The Senate Watergate Committee 515 00:23:08,778 --> 00:23:11,868 has just voted unanimously to issue a subpoena 516 00:23:11,912 --> 00:23:13,653 to President Nixon for the tapes 517 00:23:13,696 --> 00:23:16,133 that he's refused to release to the committee. 518 00:23:16,177 --> 00:23:17,483 The special prosecutors 519 00:23:17,526 --> 00:23:19,441 wanted those tapes too. 520 00:23:19,485 --> 00:23:23,271 - There was discussion about whether this was a set-up, 521 00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:27,536 whether the tapes would have been fabricated 522 00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:33,586 or otherwise designed to lead us down the garden path, 523 00:23:33,629 --> 00:23:36,632 but irrespective of that, we needed to get them. 524 00:23:36,676 --> 00:23:39,069 First, Cox asked politely. 525 00:23:39,113 --> 00:23:41,332 - I would urge that the tapes be furnished for use 526 00:23:41,376 --> 00:23:44,292 in my investigation without restriction. 527 00:23:44,335 --> 00:23:46,555 This procedure strikes me as the method 528 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,818 of establishing the truth, which is most fair 529 00:23:48,862 --> 00:23:51,473 to everyone concerned, including the President. 530 00:23:51,517 --> 00:23:52,909 The White House refused, 531 00:23:52,953 --> 00:23:55,042 so Cox issued subpoenas. 532 00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:57,784 - Special prosecutor Archibald Cox arrived 533 00:23:57,827 --> 00:23:59,655 to tell the grand jury that the President 534 00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:02,005 had declined to turn over the tapes, 535 00:24:02,049 --> 00:24:04,225 but the grand jurors rose one by one 536 00:24:04,268 --> 00:24:06,009 and confirmed it was their wish 537 00:24:06,053 --> 00:24:08,316 to command the President to produce the tapes. 538 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,970 - We felt any conversations 539 00:24:10,013 --> 00:24:12,146 that were in furtherance of a crime 540 00:24:12,189 --> 00:24:14,844 were not protected by executive privilege, 541 00:24:14,888 --> 00:24:17,107 and so we were very careful to pick conversations 542 00:24:17,151 --> 00:24:20,023 that we felt we could make a very valid argument 543 00:24:20,067 --> 00:24:22,678 were likely to contain conversations 544 00:24:22,722 --> 00:24:24,506 about committing a crime. 545 00:24:24,550 --> 00:24:27,335 - Traditionally, executive privilege has been enough 546 00:24:27,378 --> 00:24:30,251 to deny to the House or the Senate 547 00:24:30,294 --> 00:24:32,688 of presidential-- 548 00:24:32,732 --> 00:24:35,038 personal presidential communications. 549 00:24:35,082 --> 00:24:37,563 - Since Cox is in the Executive Branch, 550 00:24:37,606 --> 00:24:39,913 there is no separation of powers obstacle, 551 00:24:39,956 --> 00:24:41,958 which the President could raise. 552 00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:44,134 So while the Congress may not get the tapes, 553 00:24:44,178 --> 00:24:46,093 Mr. Cox may get them. 554 00:24:46,136 --> 00:24:47,703 The subpoenas to obtain the tapes 555 00:24:47,747 --> 00:24:49,792 constituted Nixon's next crisis. 556 00:24:49,836 --> 00:24:51,533 Once again, he responded 557 00:24:51,577 --> 00:24:53,448 with a nationally televised speech. 558 00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:56,320 - Many have urged that in order to help prove the truth 559 00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:58,322 of what I have said, I should turn over 560 00:24:58,366 --> 00:25:01,151 to the special prosecutor and the Senate Committee 561 00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:04,198 recordings of conversation that I held in my office 562 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:07,375 or on my telephone. 563 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:10,552 However, a much more important principle is involved 564 00:25:10,596 --> 00:25:13,816 in this question than what the tapes might prove 565 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:16,776 about Watergate. 566 00:25:16,819 --> 00:25:19,561 Each day, a President of the United States 567 00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:23,478 is required to make difficult decisions on grave issues. 568 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,133 It is absolutely necessary, 569 00:25:26,176 --> 00:25:28,744 if the President is to be able to do his job 570 00:25:28,788 --> 00:25:31,312 as the country expects, 571 00:25:31,355 --> 00:25:34,576 that he be able to talk openly and candidly 572 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:38,275 with his advisors about issues and individuals. 573 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,061 This kind of frank discussion is only possible 574 00:25:41,104 --> 00:25:42,889 when those who take part in it 575 00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:46,632 know that what they say is in strictest confidence. 576 00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:48,851 This principle of confidentiality 577 00:25:48,895 --> 00:25:51,985 of presidential conversations is at stake 578 00:25:52,028 --> 00:25:54,727 in the question of these tapes. 579 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:57,643 - The tapes argument occurred before 580 00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:00,950 Judge Sirica first at the district court level. 581 00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:03,518 The President took the position, through his attorney, 582 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:05,389 that he, as President, 583 00:26:05,433 --> 00:26:08,262 could not be compelled to do anything. 584 00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:11,134 - I'm sure that the President's legal position 585 00:26:11,178 --> 00:26:13,354 is presented in good faith. 586 00:26:13,397 --> 00:26:15,051 I think it's quite wrong. 587 00:26:15,095 --> 00:26:16,792 - Judge Sirica ruled 588 00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:19,490 a week after the argument in our favor, 589 00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,058 but the White House appeals. 590 00:26:22,102 --> 00:26:23,930 As the pressure on him mounted, 591 00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:26,193 Nixon's public façade started to crack. 592 00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:28,325 - Something seemed to anger the President. 593 00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:30,414 As he arrived, he accentuated a command 594 00:26:30,458 --> 00:26:34,114 to his aide, Ron Ziegler, with a hefty shove. 595 00:26:34,157 --> 00:26:36,029 Meanwhile, William Ruckelshaus 596 00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:38,292 left the FBI to become Elliot Richardson's deputy 597 00:26:38,335 --> 00:26:40,511 at the Justice Department. 598 00:26:40,555 --> 00:26:43,602 By then, they both realized that Nixon might not survive. 599 00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:46,300 - And when I left the FBI, 600 00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:49,956 which was in July of 1973, 601 00:26:49,999 --> 00:26:53,307 I told Elliot Richardson that after being there 602 00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:55,962 for three months, I had concluded 603 00:26:56,005 --> 00:27:00,009 that the President was heavily involved in Watergate, 604 00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:02,446 uh, pretty much up to his neck. 605 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:04,666 But as serious as Watergate already was, 606 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,842 Ruckelshaus and Richardson had also been 607 00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:08,975 secretly managing another crisis, 608 00:27:09,018 --> 00:27:11,151 one that made Watergate even more dangerous. 609 00:27:15,416 --> 00:27:18,680 - We spent most of the summer of 1973 610 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:21,683 engaged in the investigation of Agnew. 611 00:27:21,727 --> 00:27:24,251 Some prosecutors from Baltimore 612 00:27:24,294 --> 00:27:26,253 came to Elliot, who was then Attorney General, 613 00:27:26,296 --> 00:27:28,603 Elliot Richardson, and had told him 614 00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:33,477 that they were receiving a number of witnesses 615 00:27:33,521 --> 00:27:36,567 in a grand jury who claimed that Agnew 616 00:27:36,611 --> 00:27:40,354 had received bribes when he was the Governor of Maryland 617 00:27:40,397 --> 00:27:42,704 and then subsequently Vice President. 618 00:27:42,748 --> 00:27:45,576 - Washington was stunned today by the disclosure 619 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:48,754 that Vice President Agnew is under criminal investigation 620 00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:52,496 by federal authorities in his home state of Maryland. 621 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:55,761 - I am denying them outright, and I am labeling them, 622 00:27:55,804 --> 00:27:58,459 and I think a person in my position at a time like this 623 00:27:58,502 --> 00:28:03,682 might be permitted this departure from normal language 624 00:28:03,725 --> 00:28:05,727 as damned lies. 625 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:07,686 - Have you ever considered stepping down 626 00:28:07,729 --> 00:28:09,862 even temporarily until the matter is cleared up? 627 00:28:09,905 --> 00:28:11,733 - I have not. 628 00:28:11,777 --> 00:28:14,301 - A White House spokesman would only say "no comment." 629 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,825 - Ziegler sort of cut the legs out from under him, 630 00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:18,566 saying in effect, "Agnew's on his own," 631 00:28:18,609 --> 00:28:20,611 so I called Haig and I said, "What are we doing? 632 00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:22,178 "This guy's standing up defending himself. 633 00:28:22,222 --> 00:28:24,180 Why aren't we standing with him?" 634 00:28:24,224 --> 00:28:26,269 And Al said, "We got him taking envelopes in the basement." 635 00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:29,751 I had no idea. 636 00:28:29,795 --> 00:28:32,536 - The case against Agnew was so strong 637 00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:34,538 that it was just impossible to ignore. 638 00:28:34,582 --> 00:28:36,453 We were really worried about it, 639 00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:39,239 because the President was obviously in trouble, 640 00:28:39,282 --> 00:28:41,676 well, we had this fear that here would be 641 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,157 the Vice President raising his hand as a witness 642 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,899 in his own trial and the doors bursting open 643 00:28:46,942 --> 00:28:48,596 and saying, "Leave your right hand up. 644 00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:50,380 You're the next President of the United States." 645 00:28:50,424 --> 00:28:52,426 - I will not resign if indicted. 646 00:28:52,469 --> 00:28:54,776 I will not resign if indicted. 647 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,652 - Mr. President? - Mr. Tice. 648 00:29:01,696 --> 00:29:03,785 - Should Vice President Agnew be indicted, 649 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:06,135 would you expect him to resign or somehow otherwise 650 00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:08,311 stand down temporarily until cleared? 651 00:29:08,355 --> 00:29:10,923 - Uh, the Vice President has not been indicted. 652 00:29:10,966 --> 00:29:15,188 Charges have been thrown out by innuendo and otherwise, 653 00:29:15,231 --> 00:29:17,320 which he has denied to me personally 654 00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:19,583 and which he has denied publicly, 655 00:29:19,627 --> 00:29:22,804 and to talk about indictment and to talk about resignation 656 00:29:22,848 --> 00:29:24,806 even now--I'm not--I'm not questioning your right 657 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,852 to ask the question, understand, 658 00:29:26,895 --> 00:29:30,159 but for me to talk about it would be totally inappropriate, 659 00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:32,074 and I make no comment in answer to that question. 660 00:29:32,118 --> 00:29:33,815 - Mr. President? - Mr. President? 661 00:29:33,859 --> 00:29:35,774 Then with both President Nixon 662 00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:38,254 and Vice President Agnew under investigation, 663 00:29:38,298 --> 00:29:40,256 a Mideast war plunged the United States 664 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:42,171 into a global crisis. 665 00:29:42,215 --> 00:29:44,565 Egypt and Syria, supported by the Soviet Union, 666 00:29:44,608 --> 00:29:46,785 mounted a surprise attack against Israel. 667 00:29:46,828 --> 00:29:48,569 - It is an all-out war. 668 00:29:48,612 --> 00:29:50,789 That's how Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan 669 00:29:50,832 --> 00:29:52,965 describes an invasion of the Golan Heights 670 00:29:53,008 --> 00:29:56,403 and the east bank of the Suez by Syria and Egypt. 671 00:29:56,446 --> 00:29:58,405 The Yom Kippur War triggered multiple 672 00:29:58,448 --> 00:30:01,625 geopolitical crises and a superpower confrontation. 673 00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:03,410 Nixon ordered a massive airlift 674 00:30:03,453 --> 00:30:06,065 of emergency military supplies for Israel, 675 00:30:06,108 --> 00:30:08,763 angering Arab nations and the Soviet Union. 676 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,983 - The Soviet Union, according to Washington sources, 677 00:30:11,026 --> 00:30:14,421 has started an airlift to resupply Egypt and Syria. 678 00:30:14,464 --> 00:30:16,336 The State Department issued a public warning 679 00:30:16,379 --> 00:30:17,859 to the Russians, saying their actions 680 00:30:17,903 --> 00:30:19,643 could hurt U.S.-Soviet relations. 681 00:30:19,687 --> 00:30:22,255 - Saudi Arabia announced today a cutoff 682 00:30:22,298 --> 00:30:24,605 of all oil shipments to the United States 683 00:30:24,648 --> 00:30:27,521 because of U.S. arms supplies to Israel. 684 00:30:27,564 --> 00:30:30,350 Israel says its tanks have pushed deeper into Egypt 685 00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:32,482 on the western side of the Suez Canal 686 00:30:32,526 --> 00:30:35,224 and are now only 45 miles from Cairo. 687 00:30:35,268 --> 00:30:37,139 - U.S. Intelligence now reports 688 00:30:37,183 --> 00:30:38,837 that the Soviets have also given Egypt 689 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,143 35 new Russian fighter planes. 690 00:30:41,187 --> 00:30:42,579 - Secretary of State Henry Kissinger 691 00:30:42,623 --> 00:30:44,625 has flown to Moscow. 692 00:30:44,668 --> 00:30:46,714 - The White House story is that the Kissinger mission 693 00:30:46,757 --> 00:30:48,672 should not be seen as a distraction 694 00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:51,893 from Cox or Watergate, but rather that it's the result 695 00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:54,287 of a serious invitation from the Russians 696 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:56,593 for urgent talks to end the war. 697 00:30:56,637 --> 00:30:58,378 In the middle of the Mideast war 698 00:30:58,421 --> 00:31:00,684 and with Nixon's fate still unresolved, 699 00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:03,296 the Vice Presidency suddenly became vacant. 700 00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:04,819 - Vice President Agnew, 701 00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:06,995 bearing himself as a tax cheat, 702 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,910 resigned today under an agreement 703 00:31:08,954 --> 00:31:10,694 which protects him from prosecution 704 00:31:10,738 --> 00:31:12,653 on charges of grafting. 705 00:31:12,696 --> 00:31:14,481 - As he left the court, the former Vice President 706 00:31:14,524 --> 00:31:16,657 was publicly still maintaining innocence 707 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:18,224 of any criminal activities. 708 00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:22,141 - The reason that I have changed my decision 709 00:31:22,184 --> 00:31:25,361 to fight this matter is because that I believe 710 00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:29,235 it would be against the national interest, 711 00:31:29,278 --> 00:31:31,933 have a brutalizing effect on my family 712 00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:34,893 to go through a long, two-year struggle 713 00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:37,634 concerning this matter. 714 00:31:37,678 --> 00:31:39,941 - What did you think when you learned 715 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:43,031 that Mr. Agnew had in fact been taking bribes in? 716 00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:45,860 - Well, you know, I was-- I wrote him a note, 717 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:47,949 and I said, you know, "I think you set a standard 718 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:51,953 "for courage in politics by a Vice President 719 00:31:51,997 --> 00:31:54,564 that will stand for a long time," 720 00:31:54,608 --> 00:31:57,437 and I just told him how much I admired him 721 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,439 and regret what was happening to him. 722 00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:01,049 - It was a long, long time 723 00:32:01,093 --> 00:32:03,660 before they put his statue in the Capitol. 724 00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:10,058 I mean, it was only a few years ago that they finally-- 725 00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:12,191 and it's still controversial, 726 00:32:12,234 --> 00:32:15,194 but every Vice President has a bust in the Capitol, 727 00:32:15,237 --> 00:32:17,022 as you know. 728 00:32:17,065 --> 00:32:19,285 - Today we had the Arab-Israeli War 729 00:32:19,328 --> 00:32:21,809 in full and ominous swing, 730 00:32:21,852 --> 00:32:23,985 and the astounding and unprecedented resignation 731 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,639 of the Vice President. 732 00:32:25,682 --> 00:32:27,554 We also face the unresolved question 733 00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:30,165 of the President's secret White House tapes. 734 00:32:30,209 --> 00:32:31,950 Judge John J. Sirica ruled 735 00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:33,516 that the Senate Watergate Committee 736 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,475 couldn't subpoena Nixon's tapes, 737 00:32:35,518 --> 00:32:37,607 but Sirica also ruled that the special prosecutor 738 00:32:37,651 --> 00:32:40,784 could subpoena them, so Nixon continued to resist, 739 00:32:40,828 --> 00:32:42,699 and Chief of Staff Al Haig 740 00:32:42,743 --> 00:32:44,658 became Nixon's chief explainer. 741 00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:48,096 - At issue at this moment, General Haig, are those tapes. 742 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:50,011 If there is nothing to hide, 743 00:32:50,055 --> 00:32:54,102 what in the world could better serve all of us 744 00:32:54,146 --> 00:32:56,539 than for the President to say, "Here are the tapes. 745 00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:58,367 "They prove that I was right. 746 00:32:58,411 --> 00:33:00,674 "They prove that I was not involved. 747 00:33:00,717 --> 00:33:02,893 "The American people have the right to hear those tapes. 748 00:33:02,937 --> 00:33:05,026 Let's settle this business." 749 00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:07,289 - Any President-- any President 750 00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:10,336 may have said things which, 751 00:33:10,379 --> 00:33:13,295 if brought to public consciousness 752 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:15,994 and brought to public light, 753 00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:19,258 could do severe damage, not only to the individual, 754 00:33:19,301 --> 00:33:21,782 but even more importantly to the institution 755 00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:24,132 of the presidency itself. 756 00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:27,048 - As Nixon continued to resist, 757 00:33:27,092 --> 00:33:30,747 it was totally unclear how this was gonna play out. 758 00:33:30,791 --> 00:33:32,488 We knew that a big storm was coming. 759 00:33:32,532 --> 00:33:34,229 We just didn't know from what direction 760 00:33:34,273 --> 00:33:36,188 or how bad it was gonna be. 761 00:33:40,453 --> 00:33:42,063 - When we were planning what's gonna happen, 762 00:33:42,107 --> 00:33:44,109 who's gonna serve a subpoena on the White House? 763 00:33:44,152 --> 00:33:45,719 How are we going to enforce it? 764 00:33:45,762 --> 00:33:47,938 You know, who's gonna go in to get the tapes? 765 00:33:47,982 --> 00:33:50,202 What if the President refuses? 766 00:33:50,245 --> 00:33:52,552 And we thought, well, maybe we should take 767 00:33:52,595 --> 00:33:57,383 some of the key documents and bring them to our homes. 768 00:33:57,426 --> 00:33:59,776 - I had done a prosecution memo 769 00:33:59,820 --> 00:34:02,170 about all the evidence that we had 770 00:34:02,214 --> 00:34:04,868 about President Nixon. 771 00:34:04,912 --> 00:34:08,133 I took a copy of that and put in my grandmother's basement. 772 00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:10,091 Meanwhile, the special prosecutors 773 00:34:10,135 --> 00:34:12,920 had been playing another chess game with John Dean. 774 00:34:12,963 --> 00:34:14,878 They needed Dean's testimony, 775 00:34:14,922 --> 00:34:17,446 but Dean was demanding total immunity in return. 776 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:19,709 Archibald Cox didn't like that idea, 777 00:34:19,753 --> 00:34:22,843 but he needed Dean, so the bargaining went on for months. 778 00:34:22,886 --> 00:34:25,280 - Without Dean, it wasn't absolutely clear 779 00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:27,021 that we would have a case. 780 00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:28,805 Besides the tapes, 781 00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:31,634 that was the next-to-last peg in a hole. 782 00:34:31,678 --> 00:34:35,986 - John Dean was set on getting immunity. 783 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:39,860 Archie Cox, however, held fast to the proposition 784 00:34:39,903 --> 00:34:42,993 that Dean, because of his central role 785 00:34:43,037 --> 00:34:45,213 in the obstruction of justice, 786 00:34:45,257 --> 00:34:48,216 should not be granted immunity 787 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:52,133 by any prosecution authorities. 788 00:34:52,177 --> 00:34:55,571 So he said, "I don't care how long it takes. 789 00:34:55,615 --> 00:34:59,619 Dean does not get immunity, does not walk free." 790 00:34:59,662 --> 00:35:03,188 And we set about to find something 791 00:35:03,231 --> 00:35:06,887 that was prosecutable but which Dean 792 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:10,412 had not testified about before the Senate, 793 00:35:10,456 --> 00:35:13,459 and finally Dean gave up. 794 00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:17,202 - For six months, Dean held out for total immunity. 795 00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:20,596 Today, Dean settled for just one count of conspiracy. 796 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,163 - Not going to have any comment. 797 00:35:22,207 --> 00:35:23,730 I'm sorry, we issued a statement in court, 798 00:35:23,773 --> 00:35:26,080 and that's available to the press. 799 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:29,170 - He agreed on his part, that he would give us 800 00:35:29,214 --> 00:35:32,217 what information he could, freely, 801 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:35,133 that would be in help in our investigation. 802 00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:39,920 - For Dean, there were risks and pain either way. 803 00:35:39,963 --> 00:35:43,010 I think he had to make kind of a global life choice, 804 00:35:43,053 --> 00:35:44,577 and he made it. 805 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,231 Dean's guilty plea signaled 806 00:35:46,274 --> 00:35:48,407 that he would now be testifying 807 00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:51,018 against Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Mitchell and Nixon. 808 00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:53,455 So now, control of the tapes was essential 809 00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:56,937 to Nixon's survival, and his back was against the wall. 810 00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:59,983 Not coincidentally, Dean's plea deal was announced 811 00:36:00,027 --> 00:36:03,030 on Friday, October 19, the day before Nixon 812 00:36:03,073 --> 00:36:06,120 faced a midnight deadline over surrendering the tapes. 813 00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:08,514 - All day today, Washington waited 814 00:36:08,557 --> 00:36:10,733 for the President's lawyers to take the next step 815 00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:12,518 in the great and historic case 816 00:36:12,561 --> 00:36:15,216 of the nine disputed secret White House tapes. 817 00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:17,175 - Midnight tonight is the deadline 818 00:36:17,218 --> 00:36:19,394 for President Nixon to appeal to the Supreme Court 819 00:36:19,438 --> 00:36:21,004 the order for him to surrender 820 00:36:21,048 --> 00:36:23,224 the White House Watergate tapes. 821 00:36:23,268 --> 00:36:25,357 So Nixon tried a last-minute gambit. 822 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,228 In our interview, Patrick Buchanan 823 00:36:27,272 --> 00:36:29,361 portrayed it as a reasonable compromise. 824 00:36:29,404 --> 00:36:31,232 - We didn't want to give up the tapes, 825 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:33,974 but we were willing to give up everything on Watergate 826 00:36:34,017 --> 00:36:37,804 on the tapes, to transcribe that 827 00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:41,242 and to make summaries of that 828 00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:46,160 and have that verified by Senator John Stennis. 829 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,380 Bur Mr. Buchanan, ever the loyalist, 830 00:36:48,423 --> 00:36:50,120 left a few little things out. 831 00:36:50,164 --> 00:36:53,385 - It's called the Stennis Compromise. 832 00:36:53,428 --> 00:36:56,083 Very devious. 833 00:36:56,126 --> 00:36:58,085 Very Nixonian. 834 00:36:58,128 --> 00:37:00,566 - We couldn't really do a compromise 835 00:37:00,609 --> 00:37:02,524 that didn't enable us to have the tapes 836 00:37:02,568 --> 00:37:04,222 as evidence at trial. 837 00:37:04,265 --> 00:37:06,224 That was sort of the red line. 838 00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:08,835 So it had to fit the rules of evidence. 839 00:37:08,878 --> 00:37:12,882 - The only relevant and admissible evidence 840 00:37:12,926 --> 00:37:14,928 would be the tapes themselves. 841 00:37:14,971 --> 00:37:16,408 And there was another problem: 842 00:37:16,451 --> 00:37:17,974 Senator Stennis. 843 00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:20,455 - Senator Stennis, who was Chairman 844 00:37:20,499 --> 00:37:23,328 of the Senate Armed Services Committee, 845 00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:26,809 had the nickname "The Undertaker." 846 00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:34,817 By reason of things that those in authority 847 00:37:34,861 --> 00:37:37,429 thought should never see the light of day 848 00:37:37,472 --> 00:37:39,561 being buried in his committee. 849 00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:41,955 - I've never seen the tapes. I don't know... 850 00:37:41,998 --> 00:37:43,652 - But don't-- - How they gonna look 851 00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:47,700 and how difficult it'd be to hear and rehear. 852 00:37:47,743 --> 00:37:50,616 Frankly, I've been told that there's some there 853 00:37:50,659 --> 00:37:53,053 that's almost unintelligible. 854 00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:55,360 I mean, you can't hear it. 855 00:37:55,403 --> 00:37:57,057 - The President was obviously desperate 856 00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:00,365 to get these tapes back under his control 857 00:38:00,408 --> 00:38:02,541 and not have them released, 858 00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:04,673 and he was trying to think of every way to do it. 859 00:38:04,717 --> 00:38:07,502 We were spending practically the entire day 860 00:38:07,546 --> 00:38:09,025 trying to figure out what to do next. 861 00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:11,071 - Sources close to the negotiations 862 00:38:11,114 --> 00:38:14,248 indicated late today that so far all efforts 863 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:16,946 to reach a compromise on the tapes case had failed, 864 00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:18,905 but Attorney General Elliot Richardson 865 00:38:18,948 --> 00:38:20,907 was described as "still trying." 866 00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:23,388 - I think Elliot was trying very hard 867 00:38:23,431 --> 00:38:25,477 to work out a compromise 'cause he thought 868 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,088 that was his responsibility as Attorney General. 869 00:38:29,785 --> 00:38:32,266 - Al Haig called me and said, 870 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,877 "We're gonna give these summaries, 871 00:38:34,921 --> 00:38:37,967 and we're gonna tell Cox," who was balking, 872 00:38:38,011 --> 00:38:40,709 "that he's gonna have to accept these, 873 00:38:40,753 --> 00:38:45,105 "and if he doesn't, well, he can do what he wants to do. 874 00:38:45,148 --> 00:38:49,936 But if he persists, Richardson will fire him." 875 00:38:49,979 --> 00:38:54,201 I said three words, "Is Elliot aboard?" 876 00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:56,421 And Al said, "Yes." 877 00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:58,161 I said, "In that case, let's go ahead." 878 00:39:02,688 --> 00:39:04,124 On the evening of Friday, October 19, 879 00:39:04,167 --> 00:39:05,386 the White House publicly ordered Cox 880 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:07,388 to stop pursuing the tapes. 881 00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:09,738 Cox refused, issued a public statement himself 882 00:39:09,782 --> 00:39:10,870 and announced a press conference 883 00:39:10,913 --> 00:39:12,088 for the next morning. 884 00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:13,916 - Anybody know UPI's number? 885 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,962 - Uh... 886 00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:17,616 - Jim Doyle from Archibald Cox's office. 887 00:39:17,659 --> 00:39:20,619 I have a long statement. Are you ready? 888 00:39:20,662 --> 00:39:23,535 "In my judgment the President 889 00:39:23,578 --> 00:39:27,147 "is refusing to comply 890 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:29,410 with the court decrees." 891 00:39:29,454 --> 00:39:31,760 - Friday night, the President had sent 892 00:39:31,804 --> 00:39:35,460 a letter to Richardson telling him to fire Cox. 893 00:39:35,503 --> 00:39:39,420 Richardson called Cox and read the letter to him 894 00:39:39,464 --> 00:39:41,335 over the phone 895 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:43,598 but said he was not going to issue the order 896 00:39:43,642 --> 00:39:45,861 because he didn't think it was appropriate, 897 00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:47,820 and finally on Saturday morning, 898 00:39:47,863 --> 00:39:50,562 Cox held his press conference. 899 00:39:50,605 --> 00:39:54,304 - Archie Cox lays out why it is 900 00:39:54,348 --> 00:39:59,832 that he cannot accept the so-called Stennis Compromise. 901 00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:05,490 - Some things I feel very deeply about are at stake, 902 00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:11,104 and I hope that I can explain and defend them steadfastly. 903 00:40:11,147 --> 00:40:15,543 I'm not looking for a confrontation, 904 00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:17,589 and I'm certainly not out to get 905 00:40:17,632 --> 00:40:19,286 the President of the United States. 906 00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:20,983 - Mr. Cox? - Mr. Cox? 907 00:40:21,027 --> 00:40:22,855 - Mr. Cox, so much has been made of the tapes 908 00:40:22,898 --> 00:40:26,075 that I'd like to ask you whether you consider the tapes 909 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:30,515 absolutely vital to the case you're developing. 910 00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:34,432 - I think it is vital to know whether they're vital. 911 00:40:34,475 --> 00:40:36,695 - Sir, you're rather unique in our history 912 00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:38,131 because you've personally rebuffed 913 00:40:38,174 --> 00:40:39,828 the President of the United States. 914 00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:41,917 I'm sure it took a lot of moral courage. 915 00:40:41,961 --> 00:40:43,789 How could you expect to succeed? 916 00:40:43,832 --> 00:40:45,921 - Well, I thought it was worth a try. 917 00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:48,054 I thought it was important. 918 00:40:48,097 --> 00:40:49,664 If it could be done, 919 00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:52,145 I thought it would help the country. 920 00:40:52,188 --> 00:40:54,277 And if I lost, what the hell? 921 00:40:57,324 --> 00:40:59,152 - Nixon called me to the Oval Office, 922 00:40:59,195 --> 00:41:01,110 and I was in there about 45 minutes, 923 00:41:01,154 --> 00:41:04,070 and he said, "We have to fire Cox," 924 00:41:04,113 --> 00:41:06,333 and Nixon gave me the reasoning. 925 00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:10,946 He said, "I can't be seen by Brezhnev right now 926 00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:14,428 as caving in to my own Attorney General." 927 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,561 Nixon did care about looking strong 928 00:41:16,604 --> 00:41:18,563 to Brezhnev because the Soviets were still 929 00:41:18,606 --> 00:41:21,609 supporting Egypt and Syria in the Yom Kippur War. 930 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:24,438 But Brezhnev was also an excuse to fire Cox 931 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,745 and keep control of the White House tapes. 932 00:41:26,788 --> 00:41:28,573 - Richardson got a call from the White House 933 00:41:28,616 --> 00:41:30,531 saying that the President wanted to see him. 934 00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:32,359 He went over to the White House, 935 00:41:32,402 --> 00:41:34,056 and the President insisted that he fire Cox, 936 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,971 and he wouldn't do it. 937 00:41:36,015 --> 00:41:37,799 My assistant came up and said, 938 00:41:37,843 --> 00:41:39,540 "The President wants you on the phone." 939 00:41:39,584 --> 00:41:42,064 Well, it was pretty clear what he wanted, 940 00:41:42,108 --> 00:41:43,762 and when I got there, it was actually Haig 941 00:41:43,805 --> 00:41:45,720 that was on the phone, it wasn't the President. 942 00:41:45,764 --> 00:41:48,854 And he said, 943 00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:51,726 "The President wants you to fire Archibald Cox." 944 00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:54,250 And I said, "Well, I've thought about it and I can't do it. 945 00:41:54,294 --> 00:41:56,992 "I think it's fundamentally wrong what he's done. 946 00:41:57,036 --> 00:41:58,646 "Cox has done nothing wrong, 947 00:41:58,690 --> 00:42:01,257 "except carry out his responsibilities, 948 00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:04,565 "and I just can't bring myself to fire a man 949 00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:09,178 who's done what he's hired to do by the President." 950 00:42:09,222 --> 00:42:12,530 And Haig said, "Well, your commander in chief 951 00:42:12,573 --> 00:42:14,967 is ordering you to fire Cox." 952 00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:16,577 I said, "Oh, come on, Al, 953 00:42:16,621 --> 00:42:18,318 "I know he's the commander in chief. 954 00:42:18,361 --> 00:42:22,844 "I don't have to listen to you to determine that. 955 00:42:22,888 --> 00:42:24,716 "What is he gonna do, blow me out of my office 956 00:42:24,759 --> 00:42:26,195 if I don't do the right thing?" 957 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,371 - We all go home, 958 00:42:28,415 --> 00:42:30,765 awaiting further developments. 959 00:42:30,809 --> 00:42:33,681 Because it's Saturday afternoon, 960 00:42:33,725 --> 00:42:36,249 I'm taking the evening off. 961 00:42:36,292 --> 00:42:38,991 Nothing happens in official Washington 962 00:42:39,034 --> 00:42:41,123 on a Saturday night. 963 00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:42,864 - What's your general reaction to the developments of the day? 964 00:42:42,908 --> 00:42:44,736 - Well, there'll be an announcement 965 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:46,172 out of the White House later on. 966 00:42:46,215 --> 00:42:47,565 I can't say a thing. - There will be? 967 00:42:47,608 --> 00:42:49,088 - Does it have to do with the resignation 968 00:42:49,131 --> 00:42:50,916 of the Attorney General? - Well, it might, 969 00:42:50,959 --> 00:42:52,700 but you'll have to get it from them. 970 00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:55,224 Excuse me. - Thank you, Bill. 971 00:42:55,268 --> 00:42:57,183 - Although the Deputy Attorney General 972 00:42:57,226 --> 00:42:59,315 didn't have much to say to reporters at that moment, 973 00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,404 it was evident from his appearance that 974 00:43:01,448 --> 00:43:04,538 something big was about to happen in Washington tonight. 975 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:08,020 - But, look, I was 30 years old. 976 00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:11,806 I was--you know, thought I was so sophisticated, 977 00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:14,330 coming from New York and having been 978 00:43:14,374 --> 00:43:16,942 a federal prosecutor for five years. 979 00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:21,642 I didn't know squat about real power 980 00:43:21,686 --> 00:43:24,340 and how it might be exercised. 981 00:43:24,384 --> 00:43:26,647 At 8:20 p.m. Saturday evening, 982 00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:28,693 all normal television broadcasts 983 00:43:28,736 --> 00:43:30,433 were suddenly interrupted. 984 00:43:30,477 --> 00:43:32,392 - This is Nelson Benton at the White House. 985 00:43:32,435 --> 00:43:36,309 President Nixon has discharged Archibald Cox 986 00:43:36,352 --> 00:43:38,833 as Watergate special prosecutor. 987 00:43:38,877 --> 00:43:42,141 Attorney General Elliot Richardson has resigned 988 00:43:42,184 --> 00:43:44,317 his post as Attorney General, 989 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,450 and when Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus 990 00:43:47,494 --> 00:43:51,716 refused to carry out orders from the President, 991 00:43:51,759 --> 00:43:55,328 he was discharged as Deputy Attorney General. 992 00:43:55,371 --> 00:43:58,026 Uh, the acting Attorney General now 993 00:43:58,070 --> 00:44:00,681 will be Solicitor General Bork, 994 00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:03,031 who informed special prosecutor Cox 995 00:44:03,075 --> 00:44:04,729 that he had been discharged. 79130

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