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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,090 --> 00:00:04,265 - Five people have been arrested and charged 2 00:00:04,308 --> 00:00:05,570 with breaking into the headquarters 3 00:00:05,614 --> 00:00:07,616 of the Democratic National Committee. 4 00:00:07,659 --> 00:00:11,098 - Part of a vast campaign to undermine the election. 5 00:00:11,141 --> 00:00:13,013 - Well on the way toward the predicted 6 00:00:13,056 --> 00:00:14,579 landslide re-election. 7 00:00:14,623 --> 00:00:16,320 - The Senate voted to establish a committee 8 00:00:16,364 --> 00:00:18,801 to investigate alleged political espionage. 9 00:00:18,844 --> 00:00:22,413 - Federal judge believes the whole truth did not emerge. 10 00:00:22,457 --> 00:00:24,372 - If we don't end this cover-up, 11 00:00:24,415 --> 00:00:26,374 it's only gonna get more complex. 12 00:00:29,246 --> 00:00:31,161 - the Presidency. 13 00:00:31,205 --> 00:00:34,077 And there is no assurance-- - That it won't bust. 14 00:00:38,908 --> 00:00:41,215 - The continued success of the Watergate cover-up 15 00:00:41,258 --> 00:00:42,912 depended on the burglars remaining silent, 16 00:00:42,955 --> 00:00:45,436 which in turn depended on the burglars receiving 17 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,526 light sentences as non-violent first offenders. 18 00:00:48,570 --> 00:00:51,660 But instead, federal judge John J. Sirica 19 00:00:51,703 --> 00:00:54,663 threatened them with decades in prison unless they talked. 20 00:00:54,706 --> 00:00:57,187 It worked, and the first one to crack was the lead burglar, 21 00:00:57,231 --> 00:00:59,189 James McCord. 22 00:00:59,233 --> 00:01:01,061 - This was supposed to be the day of sentencing 23 00:01:01,104 --> 00:01:02,714 for the seven Watergate defendants, 24 00:01:02,758 --> 00:01:05,543 but instead the case broke wide open again. 25 00:01:05,587 --> 00:01:08,372 Judge John Sirica opened by saying he had received 26 00:01:08,416 --> 00:01:11,506 a letter from McCord. Then came the bombshells. 27 00:01:11,549 --> 00:01:14,074 There was political pressure on the defendants 28 00:01:14,117 --> 00:01:15,684 to plead guilty and to remain silent. 29 00:01:15,727 --> 00:01:17,729 Perjury occurred during the trial. 30 00:01:17,773 --> 00:01:20,123 Others involved in the Watergate operation 31 00:01:20,167 --> 00:01:22,082 were not identified during the trial. 32 00:01:22,125 --> 00:01:24,954 - "Los Angeles Times" said McCord named Deputy Campaign 33 00:01:24,997 --> 00:01:28,305 Director Jeb Magruder and White House lawyer John Dean 34 00:01:28,349 --> 00:01:29,393 as having had advanced knowledge 35 00:01:29,437 --> 00:01:31,265 of the Watergate operation. 36 00:01:31,308 --> 00:01:33,093 - Why do you think McCord is coming forth like this? 37 00:01:33,136 --> 00:01:35,921 - I have no idea. I have no idea. 38 00:01:35,965 --> 00:01:37,488 - No comment at all right now. 39 00:01:37,532 --> 00:01:39,621 - Any report that Mr. Dean had prior knowledge 40 00:01:39,664 --> 00:01:42,189 of the Watergate matter is totally false. 41 00:01:46,845 --> 00:01:49,370 - I don't know a damn thing about Watergate, 42 00:01:49,413 --> 00:01:50,762 and I don't want to. 43 00:01:50,806 --> 00:01:53,678 But where are the civil libertarians? 44 00:01:53,722 --> 00:01:56,812 A judge gives somebody a 55-year sentence 45 00:01:56,855 --> 00:01:58,770 in order to make him talk. 46 00:01:58,814 --> 00:02:01,164 Where's the protection of the Fifth Amendment? 47 00:02:01,208 --> 00:02:03,297 - The poor bastard didn't even have a gun. 48 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:05,951 - It was a simple case of burglary. 49 00:02:05,995 --> 00:02:07,605 First offenders. 50 00:02:07,649 --> 00:02:09,433 People who would never do it again. 51 00:02:09,477 --> 00:02:12,480 - Trying to make them talk, it's unbelievable. 52 00:02:12,523 --> 00:02:16,223 Well, anyway, don't you worry about Watergate. 53 00:02:18,268 --> 00:02:20,270 - What do you think the political repercussions 54 00:02:20,314 --> 00:02:22,316 will be if things have been concealed? 55 00:02:22,359 --> 00:02:24,666 - I think the political repercussions, Bob, 56 00:02:24,709 --> 00:02:28,148 are gonna be a lot worse if we don't get all the facts 57 00:02:28,191 --> 00:02:29,932 than if we do get all the facts. 58 00:02:29,975 --> 00:02:32,152 Now, there's where a difference of opinion obviously exists 59 00:02:32,195 --> 00:02:34,937 between myself, uh, and other persons. 60 00:02:34,980 --> 00:02:37,940 Uh, I think the nation, the Republican Party, 61 00:02:37,983 --> 00:02:42,074 the entire political system is hurt far more 62 00:02:42,118 --> 00:02:46,905 by facts being concealed, by witnesses being shielded 63 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:50,170 than by, uh, fellows like McCord and others coming forth 64 00:02:50,213 --> 00:02:51,997 and laying it all on the line. 65 00:02:52,041 --> 00:02:54,565 - The Senate Committee, of which Weicker is a member, 66 00:02:54,609 --> 00:02:57,481 met briefly today and decided that public hearings 67 00:02:57,525 --> 00:02:59,744 would begin in a few weeks with Watergate defendant 68 00:02:59,788 --> 00:03:02,573 James McCord, the likely lead-off witness. 69 00:03:02,617 --> 00:03:05,750 Ranking committee members Sam Ervin and Howard Baker 70 00:03:05,794 --> 00:03:08,666 still want White House aides implicated by McCord 71 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:10,799 to follow him on the witness stand despite 72 00:03:10,842 --> 00:03:12,670 the President's objections. 73 00:03:12,714 --> 00:03:15,456 - Mr. Nixon has said that he won't let his White House 74 00:03:15,499 --> 00:03:18,633 aides--present or former-- give formal testimony 75 00:03:18,676 --> 00:03:21,288 to the Senate since it's his view that this would breach 76 00:03:21,331 --> 00:03:23,072 the doctrine of executive privilege. 77 00:03:23,115 --> 00:03:25,814 - Executive privilege is a doctrine that several 78 00:03:25,857 --> 00:03:28,164 Presidents have invoked to prevent the disclosure 79 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:31,385 of sensitive or embarrassing communications between 80 00:03:31,428 --> 00:03:33,125 Presidents and their advisors. 81 00:03:33,169 --> 00:03:35,519 But the Senate Watergate Committee was not impressed. 82 00:03:35,563 --> 00:03:37,695 - That is not executive privilege. 83 00:03:37,739 --> 00:03:39,871 It's executive poppycock. 84 00:03:39,915 --> 00:03:42,352 - If they are--If they are totally unwilling to come up 85 00:03:42,396 --> 00:03:44,528 and say--and tell what they know, 86 00:03:44,572 --> 00:03:46,356 I think they should resign. 87 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,228 I think this to be a far more preferable tactic than to go 88 00:03:48,271 --> 00:03:50,142 down there and arrest them. 89 00:03:50,186 --> 00:03:52,797 - The best thing I could do from the Republican Party's 90 00:03:52,841 --> 00:03:56,714 point of view, was to try to protect the Republican Party 91 00:03:56,758 --> 00:04:01,676 as being distinct and separate from Richard Nixon. 92 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:04,113 - I want you to get the goods on Weicker. 93 00:04:04,156 --> 00:04:07,072 I think we've got to play a damn tough game on him. 94 00:04:07,116 --> 00:04:09,379 Have they done the checking on his financial statements? 95 00:04:09,423 --> 00:04:10,772 - Uh, as best we can, yeah. 96 00:04:10,815 --> 00:04:13,905 - Is his income tax being checked yet? 97 00:04:13,949 --> 00:04:16,256 - Co-conspirator E. Howard Hunt reappeared 98 00:04:16,299 --> 00:04:18,083 before the Grand Jury. 99 00:04:18,127 --> 00:04:20,172 When prosecutor Earl Silbert said that Hunt intended 100 00:04:20,216 --> 00:04:22,610 to take the Fifth Amendment to all questions 101 00:04:22,653 --> 00:04:25,221 about the Watergate, Sirica granted Hunt immunity 102 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:28,268 from prosecution and ordered him under threat of contempt 103 00:04:28,311 --> 00:04:29,921 charges to testify. 104 00:04:49,811 --> 00:04:52,379 - How do we handle the presidential pardon thing? 105 00:04:52,422 --> 00:04:54,206 Just deny it? 106 00:04:56,470 --> 00:04:59,777 - By now, White House counsel John Dean realized that Hunt 107 00:04:59,821 --> 00:05:01,953 and McCord would implicate him directly. 108 00:05:01,997 --> 00:05:05,305 Dean also realized that he was the only one who had dealt 109 00:05:05,348 --> 00:05:08,220 extensively with the senior officials behind the cover-up, 110 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:10,179 all of whom were continuing to stonewall. 111 00:05:10,222 --> 00:05:12,355 This made Dean uniquely vulnerable, 112 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,618 but also uniquely valuable as a witness. 113 00:05:14,662 --> 00:05:17,404 The first one to implicate senior White House officials-- 114 00:05:17,447 --> 00:05:20,363 not to mention Nixon himself-- would get the best deal. 115 00:05:20,407 --> 00:05:23,584 So John Dean's next step was painful, dangerous, 116 00:05:23,627 --> 00:05:25,063 but obvious. 117 00:05:25,107 --> 00:05:27,109 - I decide I have to break rank. 118 00:05:27,152 --> 00:05:30,330 I very quickly decided to hire a criminal lawyer, 119 00:05:30,373 --> 00:05:34,246 Charles Shaffer, who was a--an experienced former prosecutor, 120 00:05:34,290 --> 00:05:37,598 whip-smart, and we've got a lot of leverage. 121 00:05:37,641 --> 00:05:42,254 So it was a very interesting chess match. 122 00:05:42,298 --> 00:05:44,779 - Dean wanted to trade his information for immunity 123 00:05:44,822 --> 00:05:46,998 from prosecution. 124 00:05:47,042 --> 00:05:49,174 But at first he didn't mention Nixon because he feared that 125 00:05:49,218 --> 00:05:51,394 Nixon would learn about it. And he was right. 126 00:05:51,438 --> 00:05:53,744 As soon as Dean went to the prosecutors, 127 00:05:53,788 --> 00:05:55,180 they told Henry Petersen-- 128 00:05:55,224 --> 00:05:56,834 head of the Justice Department's 129 00:05:56,878 --> 00:05:59,097 criminal division--who then told Nixon. 130 00:05:59,141 --> 00:06:00,795 - Anything further you wanna report 131 00:06:00,838 --> 00:06:02,362 before our meeting tomorrow? 132 00:06:06,888 --> 00:06:09,020 - He's gonna plead not guilty, huh? 133 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:19,683 - Why don't I get him in now 134 00:06:19,727 --> 00:06:20,902 and have a talk with him? 135 00:06:20,945 --> 00:06:22,077 Is that alright with you? 136 00:06:23,165 --> 00:06:25,820 - I wanna be sure you understand. 137 00:06:25,863 --> 00:06:28,344 We're gonna get to the bottom of this thing. 138 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:31,782 - What Nixon really wanted was to stop Dean from talking 139 00:06:31,826 --> 00:06:33,480 by preventing him from getting immunity. 140 00:06:33,523 --> 00:06:36,134 But as more and more people became involved, 141 00:06:36,178 --> 00:06:40,182 Nixon started to lose control. And he also started to panic. 142 00:06:40,225 --> 00:06:43,751 - The key is that Dean should not get immunity. 143 00:06:43,794 --> 00:06:45,448 - Well, I couldn't agree more. 144 00:06:45,492 --> 00:06:49,931 - You have total control over whether Dean gets immunity 145 00:06:49,974 --> 00:06:51,149 through Petersen. 146 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:54,936 - I don't think so. 147 00:06:54,979 --> 00:07:00,507 - Well, the quid pro quo for immunity is to reach 148 00:07:00,550 --> 00:07:01,769 one of the three of us. 149 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:04,293 Or all of us. 150 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:09,037 If he is not given immunity, 151 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,996 he will have to clam up and defend himself. 152 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,955 - Well, what will your action plan be? 153 00:07:13,998 --> 00:07:16,610 - Either suspension... 154 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:18,960 or firing of Dean, 155 00:07:19,003 --> 00:07:22,746 an explanation of your reliance on the Dean report... 156 00:07:24,922 --> 00:07:26,837 Its apparent unreliability. 157 00:07:26,881 --> 00:07:29,449 - Dean, what the hell does he have with regard 158 00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:30,972 to the President? 159 00:07:31,015 --> 00:07:35,846 He talked to me about the need for $120,000, 160 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:38,153 clemencies, the rest... 161 00:07:38,196 --> 00:07:44,507 I said, "What's it cost if you do it for four years?" 162 00:07:44,551 --> 00:07:47,075 He said, "A million." 163 00:07:47,118 --> 00:07:49,817 I sort of laughed and said, 164 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:51,862 "Well, I guess you could get that." 165 00:07:53,908 --> 00:07:56,476 - Now, is he holding that over your head? 166 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:00,131 - No, no, no, I--I don't think Dean would get into any 167 00:08:00,175 --> 00:08:02,830 conversation he had with the President. 168 00:08:02,873 --> 00:08:05,702 - He can't. Executive privilege. 169 00:08:05,746 --> 00:08:08,488 - Executive privilege, period. 170 00:08:08,531 --> 00:08:14,537 But Dean could put out something... 171 00:08:16,321 --> 00:08:17,540 With somebody else. 172 00:08:19,237 --> 00:08:23,067 Can Haldeman and Ehrlichman survive it? 173 00:08:24,634 --> 00:08:26,549 But what does Dean know? 174 00:08:26,593 --> 00:08:29,683 What kind of blackmail does he have? 175 00:08:29,726 --> 00:08:32,033 - Haldeman and Ehrlichman were now afraid that Nixon would 176 00:08:32,076 --> 00:08:34,078 sacrifice them, and so they started 177 00:08:34,122 --> 00:08:35,863 to threaten each other. 178 00:08:35,906 --> 00:08:39,562 - Petersen has said to me that... 179 00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:41,825 Haldeman and Ehrlichman should take a leave. 180 00:08:41,869 --> 00:08:44,045 - Petersen is up to his ass with Dean 181 00:08:44,088 --> 00:08:46,090 in violation of the law. 182 00:08:46,134 --> 00:08:48,179 And you have knowledge of that, too. 183 00:08:48,223 --> 00:08:51,705 - If I take a leave, I am gonna very vigorously 184 00:08:51,748 --> 00:08:53,663 defend myself. 185 00:08:53,707 --> 00:08:55,578 One of the first things I am gonna do... 186 00:08:57,188 --> 00:09:00,278 Is sink Petersen. - No, the first thing is Dean. 187 00:09:00,322 --> 00:09:02,498 And if you suspend him or tell him to leave, 188 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:04,195 you've also gotta take care of his files. 189 00:09:04,239 --> 00:09:08,156 - I am gonna have to say that... 190 00:09:08,199 --> 00:09:10,550 Dean was the sole proprietor of this project, 191 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:12,203 and he reported to the President. 192 00:09:12,247 --> 00:09:13,901 Now, I would have to say that because-- 193 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:16,120 - Dean didn't see me. 194 00:09:18,383 --> 00:09:22,518 Till you said, "I think you ought to talk to John Dean." 195 00:09:25,042 --> 00:09:31,571 - But, see, uh, I get into a very funny defensive position 196 00:09:31,614 --> 00:09:35,575 vis-à-vis you and vis-à-vis him. 197 00:09:38,186 --> 00:09:39,622 - Good evening. 198 00:09:39,666 --> 00:09:41,929 President Nixon in a hastily arranged meeting 199 00:09:41,972 --> 00:09:45,454 with reporters today conceded indirectly that administration 200 00:09:45,497 --> 00:09:48,588 aides might be involved in the Watergate scandal. 201 00:09:48,631 --> 00:09:51,112 - Nixon's real goal was to warn John Dean 202 00:09:51,155 --> 00:09:54,419 to keep quiet because he wouldn't be getting immunity. 203 00:09:54,463 --> 00:09:56,378 - I have expressed to the appropriate authorities 204 00:09:56,421 --> 00:09:59,642 my view that no individual holding in the past 205 00:09:59,686 --> 00:10:03,472 or at present a position of major importance 206 00:10:03,515 --> 00:10:05,474 in the administration should be given 207 00:10:05,517 --> 00:10:07,258 immunity from prosecution. 208 00:10:07,302 --> 00:10:11,959 I condemn any attempts to cover-up in this case, 209 00:10:12,002 --> 00:10:14,657 no matter who is involved. 210 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:17,617 - As a backup plan, in case Dean talked, 211 00:10:17,660 --> 00:10:20,881 the White House also started to set Dean up as a liar 212 00:10:20,924 --> 00:10:23,274 who was making up stories to get immunity 213 00:10:23,318 --> 00:10:25,015 and escape punishment. 214 00:10:25,059 --> 00:10:28,453 - Right away you could see the beginnings and then 215 00:10:28,497 --> 00:10:32,414 the development of an effort to smear John Dean, 216 00:10:32,457 --> 00:10:35,678 saying, "Well, you know, this guy 217 00:10:35,722 --> 00:10:37,941 "is a very questionable character. 218 00:10:37,985 --> 00:10:39,769 Look at his record." 219 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:41,684 - The President is personally conducting the latest 220 00:10:41,728 --> 00:10:44,295 investigation and he now believes that his previous 221 00:10:44,339 --> 00:10:46,950 Watergate investigation conducted by John Dean 222 00:10:46,994 --> 00:10:48,343 was full of holes. 223 00:10:48,386 --> 00:10:51,259 - They go round and round and round. 224 00:10:51,302 --> 00:10:55,480 Where they keep coming out is, "Let's make him a scapegoat." 225 00:10:55,524 --> 00:10:58,005 They don't say it that bluntly, but it's the essence 226 00:10:58,048 --> 00:10:59,920 of these conversations. 227 00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:02,792 I'm the low guy on the totem pole in their estimation, 228 00:11:02,836 --> 00:11:06,056 and they thought they could dump things on me that-- 229 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,754 whatever they wanted to dump. 230 00:11:07,797 --> 00:11:10,800 - John Dean was the wrong guy to play that game with, 231 00:11:10,844 --> 00:11:14,456 because his loyalty was not to Richard Nixon. 232 00:11:14,499 --> 00:11:17,024 Uh, his loyalty was to John Dean. 233 00:11:17,067 --> 00:11:19,504 - I had no hesitation going against them. 234 00:11:19,548 --> 00:11:22,682 You know, they want war? I'll give them war. 235 00:11:22,725 --> 00:11:24,771 - This morning without the President's approval, 236 00:11:24,814 --> 00:11:27,730 Dean issued a statement in which among other things 237 00:11:27,774 --> 00:11:30,820 he declared, "Some may hope or think that I will become 238 00:11:30,864 --> 00:11:33,301 "a scapegoat in the Watergate case. 239 00:11:33,344 --> 00:11:35,303 Anyone who believes this," Dean added, 240 00:11:35,346 --> 00:11:37,740 "Does not know me, know the true facts, 241 00:11:37,784 --> 00:11:40,090 nor understand our system of justice." 242 00:11:44,007 --> 00:11:45,356 - How concerned are you about Watergate? 243 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,097 Your own situation regarding Watergate? 244 00:11:47,141 --> 00:11:49,317 - Well, I--I think I shouldn't comment on that. 245 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,622 - Uh-huh. - The whole case, 246 00:11:50,666 --> 00:11:53,321 and that I wouldn't want to do that. 247 00:11:53,364 --> 00:11:55,497 - But were you at all involved in any-- 248 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:57,194 - No, I've said that time and time again. 249 00:11:57,238 --> 00:12:00,545 - I have a completely clear conscience and--and, uh, 250 00:12:00,589 --> 00:12:02,373 I think when the--when the truth is known, 251 00:12:02,417 --> 00:12:04,071 the facts come out, we get away from all this 252 00:12:04,114 --> 00:12:07,509 newspaper rumor and all the television speculation 253 00:12:07,552 --> 00:12:09,554 and all the commentators and so and get right down 254 00:12:09,598 --> 00:12:11,034 to the facts that I have nothing to worry about. 255 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:14,211 - I do. 256 00:12:14,255 --> 00:12:15,909 - People like whom? Would you care to name any? 257 00:12:15,952 --> 00:12:18,825 - People like Mr. Dean precisely. 258 00:12:18,868 --> 00:12:22,045 Any others over whom the cloud of suspicion hangs so heavily. 259 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:25,048 - It applies to anyone over whom the cloud 260 00:12:25,092 --> 00:12:26,963 of suspicion hangs. 261 00:12:27,007 --> 00:12:28,748 The President certainly knows who they are by now, I'm sure. 262 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:31,620 - The White House is at a near standstill today because 263 00:12:31,663 --> 00:12:34,797 staff members are in their offices silent, frightened, 264 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:36,320 waiting to see what is going to happen next. 265 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:40,150 - By this point, Kissinger had secretly taped 266 00:12:40,194 --> 00:12:43,458 15,000 phone calls. He later destroyed the tapes. 267 00:12:43,501 --> 00:12:45,590 Others were secretly taping each other, 268 00:12:45,634 --> 00:12:47,810 planting rumors, hiring criminal lawyers, 269 00:12:47,854 --> 00:12:49,856 and looking for new jobs. 270 00:12:49,899 --> 00:12:52,728 - I sent Nixon a memo saying we're gonna have to address it. 271 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:54,469 These stories are breaking in the press 272 00:12:54,512 --> 00:12:56,079 and we're saying nothing. 273 00:12:56,123 --> 00:12:57,602 Dean is saying this. 274 00:12:57,646 --> 00:12:59,126 If Dean's not telling the truth, 275 00:12:59,169 --> 00:13:01,781 we should be standing by Haldeman and Ehrlichman. 276 00:13:01,824 --> 00:13:05,132 And if he is telling the truth, um, you know, 277 00:13:05,175 --> 00:13:06,786 something's gotta be done. 278 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:11,878 And, um, on the 30th, um, Nixon dropped the hammer. 279 00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:16,839 - Today, in one of the most difficult decisions 280 00:13:16,883 --> 00:13:20,364 of my Presidency, I accepted the resignations 281 00:13:20,408 --> 00:13:23,933 of two of my closest associates in the White House. 282 00:13:23,977 --> 00:13:26,806 Bob Haldeman. John Ehrlichman. 283 00:13:26,849 --> 00:13:30,418 Two of the finest public servants it has been 284 00:13:30,461 --> 00:13:31,680 my privilege to know. 285 00:13:33,508 --> 00:13:37,512 I want to stress that in accepting these resignations 286 00:13:37,555 --> 00:13:42,430 I mean to leave no implication whatever of personal wrongdoing 287 00:13:42,473 --> 00:13:44,127 on their part. 288 00:13:44,171 --> 00:13:49,176 I want the American people-- I want you--to know beyond 289 00:13:49,219 --> 00:13:53,528 the shadow of a doubt that during my term as President 290 00:13:53,571 --> 00:13:57,749 justice will be pursued fairly, 291 00:13:57,793 --> 00:14:01,492 fully, and impartially. 292 00:14:01,536 --> 00:14:03,146 No matter who's involved. 293 00:14:05,192 --> 00:14:08,282 - That same day Nixon also fired John Dean, 294 00:14:08,325 --> 00:14:10,197 Attorney General Richard Kleindienst, 295 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,764 and FBI Director L. Patrick Gray, 296 00:14:12,808 --> 00:14:14,288 replacing all of them 297 00:14:14,331 --> 00:14:15,855 with people untainted by Watergate. 298 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:17,857 - At that moment, I thought, 299 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:19,075 "He's personally involved." 300 00:14:19,119 --> 00:14:22,470 It's a last desperate effort. 301 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:33,698 Hello? 302 00:14:35,962 --> 00:14:37,354 Hope I didn't let you down. 303 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:40,531 - No, sir. You, uh, got your points over 304 00:14:40,575 --> 00:14:42,533 and you--you... 305 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:45,232 Well, now you gotta move on. 306 00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:47,190 You're right where you oughtta be. 307 00:14:47,234 --> 00:14:49,801 - Well, it's a tough thing, Bob, with--with you, John, 308 00:14:49,845 --> 00:14:51,891 the rest... 309 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:55,155 Goddammit, I'm never gonna discuss this son of a bitch 310 00:14:55,198 --> 00:14:58,375 Watergate thing again. Never, never, never, never. 311 00:14:59,811 --> 00:15:02,205 Wouldn't you agree? 312 00:15:02,249 --> 00:15:04,207 - Yes, sir. 313 00:15:04,251 --> 00:15:06,166 Well, you've done it now. You laid out your position. 314 00:15:06,209 --> 00:15:08,298 You've taken your steps. - Mm-hmm. 315 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,563 - You're a strong man. 316 00:15:14,174 --> 00:15:16,916 And Goddammit, I love you. 317 00:15:20,093 --> 00:15:23,139 I love John. - Sure. 318 00:15:23,183 --> 00:15:26,403 - All the rest, and by God, keep faith. 319 00:15:26,447 --> 00:15:27,970 Keep the faith. 320 00:15:28,014 --> 00:15:31,495 Uh, we're gonna win this son of a bitch. 321 00:15:31,539 --> 00:15:32,540 - Absolutely. 322 00:15:34,977 --> 00:15:36,283 - Well, God bless you, boy. 323 00:15:38,111 --> 00:15:39,416 God bless you. 324 00:15:41,984 --> 00:15:44,465 I love you as, you know... - Okay. 325 00:15:44,508 --> 00:15:46,728 - Like my brother. 326 00:15:46,771 --> 00:15:50,558 - Well, we go on and up from here. 327 00:15:50,601 --> 00:15:52,386 - Keep the faith. 328 00:15:52,429 --> 00:15:53,691 - Right. 329 00:15:57,347 --> 00:16:00,263 - Shortly afterwards, Nixon secretly rehired 330 00:16:00,307 --> 00:16:02,526 Haldeman and Ehrlichman as White House consultants 331 00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:04,876 and appointed General Alexander Haig-- 332 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,487 previously Kissinger's deputy-- 333 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:08,532 as the new White House Chief of Staff. 334 00:16:08,576 --> 00:16:10,534 Haig was happy to join the cover-up, 335 00:16:10,578 --> 00:16:12,580 but life for Richard Nixon would never be the same. 336 00:16:12,623 --> 00:16:15,583 And his next crisis came only ten days later. 337 00:16:15,626 --> 00:16:18,499 Vernon Walters, the Deputy Director of the CIA, 338 00:16:18,542 --> 00:16:21,545 had written memos called memcoms documenting 339 00:16:21,589 --> 00:16:24,026 the White House's attempts to use the CIA 340 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:25,549 to suppress the investigation. 341 00:16:25,593 --> 00:16:27,856 Haig was able to confiscate the memos, 342 00:16:27,899 --> 00:16:30,380 but Nixon was starting to crack. 343 00:16:30,424 --> 00:16:33,557 - Some very fast actions here this morning. 344 00:16:33,601 --> 00:16:36,299 Walters came in. He gave me eight memcoms 345 00:16:36,343 --> 00:16:38,171 with a meeting here with Haldeman and Ehrlichman 346 00:16:38,214 --> 00:16:41,522 and subsequent meetings with Gray and Dean. 347 00:16:41,565 --> 00:16:44,786 When I read them, I thought they were quite damaging to us. 348 00:16:46,309 --> 00:16:48,964 These papers can't go anywhere. 349 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:50,313 We sent them back to the agency, 350 00:16:50,357 --> 00:16:52,054 told them not to take any phone calls. 351 00:16:52,098 --> 00:16:55,057 Return here immediately with every copy. 352 00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:57,668 - Oh, what do these deal with, Al? 353 00:16:57,712 --> 00:17:00,410 - With Dean's efforts to get a CIA cover 354 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:03,196 for the Watergate defendants. 355 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:05,502 Haldeman and Ehrlichman's discussion was having 356 00:17:05,546 --> 00:17:07,635 Walters go to the Director of the FBI 357 00:17:07,678 --> 00:17:10,246 and telling him this involved national security 358 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:13,249 and he should quiet down the investigation. 359 00:17:13,293 --> 00:17:15,556 They told him to go to Gray, but... 360 00:17:17,253 --> 00:17:19,690 He also quoted a discussion with you. 361 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:23,520 Which isn't helpful for our purposes. 362 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:27,481 I've got all the memcoms. 363 00:17:27,524 --> 00:17:29,352 These cannot get out. - Yeah. 364 00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:31,354 - Under any circumstances. - Right. 365 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:37,969 As I told you, I was a babe in the woods when they told me 366 00:17:38,013 --> 00:17:40,233 about this thing. 367 00:17:40,276 --> 00:17:45,760 I frankly thought it was a CIA thing. 368 00:17:45,803 --> 00:17:48,110 - I know it. 369 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:51,722 - This was a Dean plot, period. 370 00:17:58,599 --> 00:18:01,602 I didn't do it. - No, of course not. 371 00:18:03,125 --> 00:18:05,301 - Suppose I had. Called him in and said, 372 00:18:05,345 --> 00:18:09,697 "Look, concoct a story to the CIA 373 00:18:09,740 --> 00:18:10,915 and get Walters..." 374 00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:15,442 Well, Goddammit, he can't say that. It's... 375 00:18:15,485 --> 00:18:18,227 It's totally privileged. - Totally privileged. 376 00:18:18,271 --> 00:18:21,012 - And beyond that, it's not true. It's... 377 00:18:22,579 --> 00:18:24,929 It's terribly detrimental and... 378 00:18:29,282 --> 00:18:30,631 Let me see if we can have Bob over, 379 00:18:30,674 --> 00:18:34,287 have him slip into the EOB office. 380 00:18:34,330 --> 00:18:37,507 - You don't want people to see him talking to you. 381 00:18:37,551 --> 00:18:39,074 He could come in here easier. 382 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:43,731 - You're all right, aren't you? 383 00:18:51,826 --> 00:18:53,306 - Nixon had hired a new lawyer, J. Fred Buzhardt, 384 00:18:53,349 --> 00:18:55,090 to handle Watergate at the same time 385 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,613 that he had hired Haig. 386 00:18:56,657 --> 00:18:59,050 Nixon lied to both of them repeatedly. 387 00:18:59,094 --> 00:19:00,617 They pretended to believe him, 388 00:19:00,661 --> 00:19:02,793 which made for some bizarre conversations. 389 00:19:07,885 --> 00:19:09,583 - How are you, boy? 390 00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:12,716 Now, what have you got the fill on this latest flack? 391 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,372 - Yeah, I just, uh, just talked to Buzhardt. 392 00:19:20,550 --> 00:19:21,986 - The story is... 393 00:19:24,685 --> 00:19:26,208 You didn't know the situation. 394 00:19:28,471 --> 00:19:34,173 And you at no time ever suggested 395 00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:38,525 to Walters that Walters should put out a cover story 396 00:19:38,568 --> 00:19:40,222 that it was CIA business. 397 00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:45,358 - I wonder if we ought to look at Walters' memcom. 398 00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:49,362 Because it will be accurate. 399 00:19:49,405 --> 00:19:51,625 - It will be accurate. Well... 400 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:55,411 Al believes it will be damaging. 401 00:19:58,109 --> 00:20:01,939 I want to be sure that John does not indicate 402 00:20:01,983 --> 00:20:05,595 that the President directed him to get Walters to get Gray 403 00:20:05,639 --> 00:20:06,814 to turn this off. 404 00:20:06,857 --> 00:20:08,119 - John would never indicate that. 405 00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:10,339 - First, it wasn't true. 406 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:12,515 - What the President tells us to do is not-- 407 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:14,125 it's not for public consumption. 408 00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:19,087 - Dean proves to be the guy concocting the whole 409 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:21,045 Goddamn story. 410 00:20:25,963 --> 00:20:29,750 It could be terribly jeopardizing. 411 00:20:29,793 --> 00:20:33,319 Whatever is in this memcom, we were... 412 00:20:33,362 --> 00:20:35,451 Well, the memcom's not gonna get out. 413 00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:38,498 It'll be burned first. - Don't worry. 414 00:20:38,541 --> 00:20:43,372 - But John must not indicate that the President 415 00:20:43,416 --> 00:20:46,810 said, "Set up a fake cover with the CIA." 416 00:20:46,854 --> 00:20:49,726 Bob, we never talked about a fake cover. 417 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:52,860 You know that. - Well, that's right. 418 00:20:52,903 --> 00:20:58,257 - Well, I just wonder whether there are copies 419 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,607 bouncing around. - He said no. 420 00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:01,956 We've got them. 421 00:21:01,999 --> 00:21:03,174 They're under executive privilege, 422 00:21:03,218 --> 00:21:04,915 and they'll stay that way. 423 00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:08,528 - I don't want Buzhardt to have any implication that this 424 00:21:08,571 --> 00:21:10,573 was basically a cover-up. 425 00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:18,799 - I'm not worried about Buzhardt. 426 00:21:18,842 --> 00:21:22,846 - I want him to believe. - He believes. 427 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,936 - I think the President means really believe. 428 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:28,025 Not just believe him because he wants to. 429 00:21:30,071 --> 00:21:33,204 - No, I'm not covering anything up, Al. 430 00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:37,992 This shows you how naive we were. 431 00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:44,477 - Nixon and Haig temporarily succeeded in suppressing 432 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,131 the CIA memos, but federal officials 433 00:21:47,175 --> 00:21:50,091 were now terrified of being identified with the cover-up. 434 00:21:50,134 --> 00:21:52,572 The result was an avalanche of new revelations, 435 00:21:52,615 --> 00:21:54,356 starting with the White House's attacks 436 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,141 on Daniel Ellsberg, who was on trial in Los Angeles 437 00:21:57,185 --> 00:21:59,361 for leaking the Pentagon Papers. 438 00:21:59,405 --> 00:22:02,582 - The Watergate scandal took a bizarre turn in being linked 439 00:22:02,625 --> 00:22:04,758 to the Pentagon Papers case. 440 00:22:04,801 --> 00:22:07,195 - The judge calls us up to the bench. 441 00:22:07,238 --> 00:22:12,287 He says, "We have here a report that Ellsberg's 442 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,595 psychiatrist's office-- Lewis Fielding's office-- 443 00:22:15,638 --> 00:22:22,732 was broken into by White House officials two years earlier. 444 00:22:22,776 --> 00:22:24,778 For the first time in two years, 445 00:22:24,821 --> 00:22:28,216 the judge looks at me in the eye and says, 446 00:22:28,259 --> 00:22:30,740 "Um, we don't have to put this out." 447 00:22:32,699 --> 00:22:35,658 Meaning, that you had a psychoanalyst. 448 00:22:35,702 --> 00:22:38,705 We don't have to tell the world. 449 00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:41,316 And I said to him, "Are you kidding? 450 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,274 Put it out." 451 00:22:43,318 --> 00:22:45,015 He reads the statement to the court, 452 00:22:45,059 --> 00:22:46,974 and it's pandemonium. 453 00:22:47,017 --> 00:22:50,020 Everybody jumps to go to the few pay phones out there 454 00:22:50,064 --> 00:22:54,024 because Watergate meets the Pentagon Papers trial. 455 00:22:54,068 --> 00:23:01,118 - That to me was so astonishing. 456 00:23:01,162 --> 00:23:03,773 Even with all we knew by then, 457 00:23:03,817 --> 00:23:06,080 that these people would do that. 458 00:23:06,123 --> 00:23:08,691 - How can I be surprised, just because it breaks the law? 459 00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:11,477 Just because it's against all constitutional rights of, uh, 460 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,392 defendants and private citizens? 461 00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:16,873 The message of Watergate-- as I read it-- 462 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,528 is the same as the message of the Pentagon Papers-- 463 00:23:19,572 --> 00:23:22,923 that from the eyes of people who work for the President, 464 00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:25,752 all law stops at the White House fence. 465 00:23:25,795 --> 00:23:28,015 And they are beyond all law. 466 00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:31,845 - Every day after that, I could relive forever 467 00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:34,282 because there was a new revelation every day. 468 00:23:34,325 --> 00:23:36,719 - The man presiding over the Ellsberg case, 469 00:23:36,763 --> 00:23:39,200 Judge Matthew Byrne, today confirmed that 470 00:23:39,243 --> 00:23:41,420 Ehrlichman had offered him the job of FBI Director 471 00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:43,378 one month ago. 472 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:47,643 - Our judge, Matthew Byrne, had been offered to be head 473 00:23:47,687 --> 00:23:49,166 of the FBI. 474 00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:53,083 But his chance of becoming head of the FBI, 475 00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:56,565 if I was acquitted on all 12 counts, 476 00:23:56,609 --> 00:23:58,219 was zero. 477 00:23:58,262 --> 00:23:59,916 - So I think it's highly improper that the, uh, 478 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:02,310 judge met and did not inform us. 479 00:24:02,353 --> 00:24:04,399 Uh, what's even worse, though, is what was in the mind 480 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,227 of Mr. Ehrlichman. 481 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:08,621 - Judge Byrne did not become Director of the FBI. 482 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:11,493 Instead, Nixon appointed William Ruckelshaus, 483 00:24:11,537 --> 00:24:13,800 who had been running the Environmental Protection 484 00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:16,585 Agency since Nixon created it in 1970. 485 00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:19,675 - I got the honest statement from the President 486 00:24:19,719 --> 00:24:24,288 that no matter who was involved in this matter that there would 487 00:24:24,332 --> 00:24:27,030 be no sparing of anybody regardless of their position 488 00:24:27,074 --> 00:24:28,467 here or anyplace else. 489 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:33,123 - I got a call from Air Force One, uh, 490 00:24:33,167 --> 00:24:35,474 saying the President wanted to talk to me. 491 00:24:35,517 --> 00:24:38,607 He asked me almost immediately to become director of the FBI. 492 00:24:38,651 --> 00:24:41,436 And I became Acting Director. 493 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,657 - Ruckelshaus had a crisis on his very first day, 494 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,007 one caused by Mark Felt. 495 00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:49,488 But Felt underestimated Ruckelshaus, 496 00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:53,013 which is why Woodward and Bernstein lost Deep Throat. 497 00:24:53,056 --> 00:24:54,667 - When I arrived there Monday morning, 498 00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:58,235 there was a letter on my desk signed by all the special 499 00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,108 agents in charge protesting my appointment as director 500 00:25:01,151 --> 00:25:02,936 of the FBI. 501 00:25:02,979 --> 00:25:05,982 And I subsequently found out it was prepared by Mark Felt, 502 00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:07,593 was his letter. 503 00:25:07,636 --> 00:25:09,769 He wanted to be the Director of the FBI. 504 00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:12,989 I was frustrating his desire. 505 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:16,036 Felt was a liar. I knew that. 506 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:17,907 And a leaker. 507 00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:20,910 I confronted him with the fact that I had been told 508 00:25:20,954 --> 00:25:22,521 he was the source of those leaks. 509 00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:24,000 He denied it. 510 00:25:24,044 --> 00:25:26,525 He came in and--and, uh, the next day and laid 511 00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:29,310 his letter of resignation on my desk. 512 00:25:29,353 --> 00:25:31,225 - But Deep Throat no longer mattered. 513 00:25:31,268 --> 00:25:33,575 Pressure from the Senate and public opinion 514 00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:36,535 guaranteed the investigation would now continue. 515 00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:38,885 Nixon had appointed a highly reputable official, 516 00:25:38,928 --> 00:25:41,583 Elliot Richardson, as his new Attorney General. 517 00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:43,716 But even that wasn't good enough anymore. 518 00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:49,852 - Pressure was building today on President Nixon to appoint 519 00:25:49,896 --> 00:25:51,767 an independent investigator into the Watergate case. 520 00:25:51,811 --> 00:25:54,117 - The Senate refused to confirm Richardson 521 00:25:54,161 --> 00:25:56,380 as Attorney General unless he agreed to hire 522 00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:58,861 a special prosecutor, and so he did. 523 00:25:58,905 --> 00:26:03,649 - In nominating me as Attorney General of the United States, 524 00:26:03,692 --> 00:26:08,479 President Nixon charged me with responsibility for uncovering 525 00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:13,354 the whole truth about the Watergate case 526 00:26:13,397 --> 00:26:16,270 and related matters. 527 00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:21,231 I will, if confirmed, appoint a special prosecutor. 528 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:23,886 Although he will be in the Department of Justice 529 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:27,063 and report to me and only to me, 530 00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:31,285 his ultimate accountability is to the American people. 531 00:26:31,328 --> 00:26:33,113 - Richardson chose Archibald Cox 532 00:26:33,156 --> 00:26:34,854 as special prosecutor. 533 00:26:34,897 --> 00:26:37,465 Cox was a former senior Justice Department official 534 00:26:37,508 --> 00:26:38,988 and Harvard law professor. 535 00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:40,773 Cox seemed mild-mannered, 536 00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:42,949 but he would prove to be very tough. 537 00:26:42,992 --> 00:26:46,256 And from now on, FBI investigators would report 538 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,998 to Cox and to FBI director William Ruckelshaus, 539 00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:51,784 not to the Justice Department or the White House. 540 00:26:51,827 --> 00:26:54,351 - Mr. Cox, do you feel that you've been given enough 541 00:26:54,395 --> 00:26:56,397 authority to be totally independent 542 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,877 in pursuing this investigation? 543 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,574 - I certainly do. 544 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:02,272 - What if President Nixon asked, uh, about the findings 545 00:27:02,316 --> 00:27:04,100 in the process of your investigation? 546 00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:05,014 What would you tell him? 547 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,801 - Well, I would have to know exactly what he asked, 548 00:27:08,844 --> 00:27:10,803 but I--I can't imagine his doing it. 549 00:27:10,846 --> 00:27:13,327 If I thought it would prejudice the investigation 550 00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:15,938 in any conceivable way, I would tell him no. 551 00:27:18,158 --> 00:27:22,641 - Soon after Archie had been named Special Prosecutor, 552 00:27:22,684 --> 00:27:26,470 he was assembling a staff, and I was asked 553 00:27:26,514 --> 00:27:30,213 to come down and talk about, uh, a position 554 00:27:30,257 --> 00:27:31,693 at the office. 555 00:27:31,737 --> 00:27:33,652 I was 30 years old at the time, 556 00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:35,828 and had been in the U.S. Attorney's Office 557 00:27:35,871 --> 00:27:37,481 for five years. 558 00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:39,135 - I joined the Department of Justice 559 00:27:39,179 --> 00:27:41,877 in the Organized Crime Section as a trial lawyer. 560 00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:45,359 I was there for several years when Watergate happened. 561 00:27:45,402 --> 00:27:48,492 And I was offered a position as one of the three trial lawyers 562 00:27:48,536 --> 00:27:51,974 on the Watergate prosecution team, on the main case. 563 00:27:52,018 --> 00:27:54,498 I wasn't quite 30. 564 00:27:54,542 --> 00:27:58,546 I was raised pretty much to respect the President 565 00:27:58,589 --> 00:28:03,203 and to revere the presidency, but I had followed 566 00:28:03,246 --> 00:28:06,902 "The Washington Post" coverage, and as a trial lawyer, 567 00:28:06,946 --> 00:28:09,252 it seemed to me the evidence was pretty clear that 568 00:28:09,296 --> 00:28:12,516 this was not an ordinary break-in. 569 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,910 - This is a fascinating chapter in American history. 570 00:28:14,954 --> 00:28:18,087 If I can actually get to spend a lot of time on this 571 00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:20,829 and get paid for it, that's sort of a no-brainer. 572 00:28:20,873 --> 00:28:24,441 - Archibald Cox was a genius at setting up the office 573 00:28:24,485 --> 00:28:26,226 and at setting a moral tone 574 00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:29,098 that no one else could have set. 575 00:28:29,142 --> 00:28:33,276 - We basically socialized in very limited ways, 576 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,628 uh, not beyond our own group. We didn't talk outside. 577 00:28:37,672 --> 00:28:40,022 And when we mentioned the President, 578 00:28:40,066 --> 00:28:42,721 we didn't use his name. 579 00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:46,986 We began referring to him as Le Grand Fromage. 580 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:50,380 - One mistake and we could all be--in effect-- 581 00:28:50,424 --> 00:28:52,208 politically decapitated. 582 00:28:52,252 --> 00:28:56,212 And so the need to approach this on a professional 583 00:28:56,256 --> 00:28:59,215 non-partisan way was essential. 584 00:28:59,259 --> 00:29:03,785 - We just had to live life, uh, as though we were 585 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:08,224 under 24/7 surveillance, which we may well have been. 586 00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:11,706 - I came home one night, and the back door was ajar. 587 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,274 I called the police. 588 00:29:14,317 --> 00:29:17,451 And they came, and they actually thought that my phone 589 00:29:17,494 --> 00:29:19,235 had been tapped. 590 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,803 I immediately called the FBI who sent out a team, 591 00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:24,719 and they actually concluded that there might have been 592 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:28,941 a tap put on there that had been removed at that burglary. 593 00:29:31,987 --> 00:29:35,425 - I spent, uh--well, I was there about three weeks 594 00:29:35,469 --> 00:29:38,733 virtually every day working with Cox, 595 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:45,609 making assignments of the, uh, FBI, uh, officials 596 00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:49,657 to the investigation itself and then report back 597 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,921 to Cox on what we'd found. 598 00:29:52,965 --> 00:29:56,272 So I developed a very close relationship with him, 599 00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:58,753 and saw what he was doing and thought that he was 600 00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:01,451 being as careful as he possibly could be. 601 00:30:01,495 --> 00:30:03,192 As the evidence began to unfold, 602 00:30:03,236 --> 00:30:07,457 as I was reading on a daily basis interviews that were 603 00:30:07,501 --> 00:30:10,286 being held with-- between the FBI agents 604 00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:14,856 and White House officials, uh, 605 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:17,816 it kept looking worse and worse 606 00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:20,166 for the--at least for the immediate staff 607 00:30:20,209 --> 00:30:21,950 of the President. 608 00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:24,083 - For the moment, the results of the FBI's work 609 00:30:24,126 --> 00:30:26,259 for the special prosecutor remained secret. 610 00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:28,739 But the Senate Watergate hearings were another matter. 611 00:30:28,783 --> 00:30:31,264 The Watergate Committee took its job seriously. 612 00:30:31,307 --> 00:30:35,137 And starting in May of 1973, its hearings produced a series 613 00:30:35,181 --> 00:30:37,705 of stunning shocks, every one of them broadcast 614 00:30:37,748 --> 00:30:39,185 live on national television. 615 00:30:39,228 --> 00:30:41,143 - Good morning. 616 00:30:41,187 --> 00:30:43,102 At this hour a select committee of the United States Senate 617 00:30:43,145 --> 00:30:44,886 is about to begin public hearings on something 618 00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:46,801 called Watergate. 619 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:48,672 We interrupt our regularly scheduled program 620 00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:50,109 to bring you a special report 621 00:30:50,152 --> 00:30:52,241 on the Senate Watergate hearings. 622 00:30:52,285 --> 00:30:54,374 - Senate opens what is likely to become the most 623 00:30:54,417 --> 00:30:56,811 serious investigation it has ever made, 624 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,379 investigation of the American political system 625 00:30:59,422 --> 00:31:01,163 and the presidency itself. 626 00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:05,124 - Those hearings were run on every network. 627 00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:07,517 In the news room, you would walk through 628 00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:10,999 and there'd be little TV sets running the hearings. 629 00:31:11,043 --> 00:31:13,175 You'd go down, get in the cab, and the cab driver 630 00:31:13,219 --> 00:31:16,135 would have the hearings on in the radio. 631 00:31:16,178 --> 00:31:20,008 You go up to the hill in some Senate office and the little 632 00:31:20,052 --> 00:31:23,403 TV would have the hearings on. 633 00:31:23,446 --> 00:31:26,449 - People were planning their days around it. 634 00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:29,975 Uh, they weren't going to work to watch some of this stuff. 635 00:31:30,018 --> 00:31:33,456 It just captured the country. 636 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,502 - The questions that have been raised in the wake 637 00:31:35,545 --> 00:31:38,679 of the June 17 break-in strike at the very under guarding 638 00:31:38,722 --> 00:31:40,376 of our democracy. 639 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:42,552 And if these allegations prove to be true, 640 00:31:42,596 --> 00:31:45,381 what they were seeking to steal was not the jewels, money, 641 00:31:45,425 --> 00:31:47,949 or the property of American citizens, 642 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:50,038 but something much more valuable: 643 00:31:50,082 --> 00:31:51,866 their most precious heritage, 644 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,390 the right to vote in the free election. 645 00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:57,698 - So the story to come has its significance... 646 00:31:59,352 --> 00:32:03,878 Not in the acts of men breaking and entering 647 00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:05,227 and bugging the Watergate. 648 00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,928 But in the acts of men 649 00:32:09,971 --> 00:32:15,455 who almost--who almost--stole America. 650 00:32:15,498 --> 00:32:18,153 - Mr. Robert Odle is to be the first, uh, witness. 651 00:32:18,197 --> 00:32:20,286 He is the former office manager of the Committee 652 00:32:20,329 --> 00:32:22,375 for the Re-election of the President. 653 00:32:22,418 --> 00:32:24,943 - I saw Mr. Liddy, as I testified at the trial. 654 00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:26,335 - Did he call you or did you call him? 655 00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,729 - No, sir. I did-- nobody called anybody. 656 00:32:28,772 --> 00:32:30,644 I saw him in the hall. - I see. 657 00:32:30,687 --> 00:32:33,429 - And, uh, he asked me where the paper shredder was. 658 00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:34,474 - What--What? 659 00:32:34,517 --> 00:32:35,388 The paper shredder. 660 00:32:35,431 --> 00:32:37,085 - All right. 661 00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:39,783 - He later came out and said, "How do you work it?" 662 00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:41,307 And I said, "You press the button." 663 00:32:44,092 --> 00:32:46,921 And then later on I saw him with a pile of papers, 664 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,792 perhaps a foot high. 665 00:32:48,836 --> 00:32:50,185 - And what was he doing with it? 666 00:32:50,229 --> 00:32:52,405 - He was on his way into the shredding room. 667 00:32:58,193 --> 00:33:00,108 - The first bombshell came on just the second day 668 00:33:00,152 --> 00:33:01,631 of the hearings with the testimony of Watergate burglar 669 00:33:01,675 --> 00:33:04,069 James McCord, whose letter to Judge Sirica 670 00:33:04,112 --> 00:33:05,679 had first exposed the cover-up. 671 00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:09,509 - I would like to state that, uh, my participation 672 00:33:09,552 --> 00:33:12,860 in the Watergate operation was a mistake 673 00:33:12,903 --> 00:33:15,428 and a very grave mistake, which I regret. 674 00:33:15,471 --> 00:33:17,125 I'm ready to proceed with the questions. 675 00:33:17,169 --> 00:33:19,084 - All right, uh, now, will you tell the committee, 676 00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:22,826 Mr. McCord, why after a lifetime of work 677 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:26,134 as a law enforcement officer without, as you testified, 678 00:33:26,178 --> 00:33:30,138 any blemish on your career, did you agree with Mr. Liddy 679 00:33:30,182 --> 00:33:32,532 to engage in his program of burglaries 680 00:33:32,575 --> 00:33:34,229 and illegal wiretapping? 681 00:33:34,273 --> 00:33:39,626 - The Attorney General himself, Mr. John Mitchell, 682 00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:46,111 at his offices--had considered and approved the operation... 683 00:33:47,242 --> 00:33:49,027 According to Mr. Liddy. 684 00:33:50,593 --> 00:33:53,379 Secondly, that the counsel for the President, 685 00:33:53,422 --> 00:33:56,295 Mr. John Dean, had participated. 686 00:33:56,338 --> 00:34:00,821 - After your arrest that you have testified to, 687 00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,692 did you receive any money? 688 00:34:02,736 --> 00:34:04,433 - Yes, I did. 689 00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:06,261 - Did you have any knowledge, information, or belief 690 00:34:06,305 --> 00:34:09,090 as to from where this money came from? 691 00:34:09,134 --> 00:34:11,049 - I was told that it came from the Committee 692 00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:13,399 to Re-elect the President by Mrs. Hunt. 693 00:34:14,791 --> 00:34:15,749 - Uh... 694 00:34:17,403 --> 00:34:22,712 Did you receive any pressures, suggestions from any person 695 00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:27,021 concerning what you should do about that trial with regard 696 00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:29,806 to your plea, behavior, or conduct? 697 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:31,678 - Yes, I did. 698 00:34:31,721 --> 00:34:34,507 - Up to this point, McCord had testified as expected. 699 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:37,162 But now, on just the second day of the Watergate hearings, 700 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:40,600 McCord had a surprise-- a big surprise. 701 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:43,951 - Political pressure from the White House was conveyed to me 702 00:34:43,994 --> 00:34:46,214 in January 1973... 703 00:34:48,216 --> 00:34:51,132 By John Caulfield to remain silent... 704 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,660 Take executive clemency by going off to prison quietly... 705 00:34:59,488 --> 00:35:01,708 And I was told that while there, 706 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:05,842 I would receive financial aid and later rehabilitation 707 00:35:05,886 --> 00:35:08,758 and a job. 708 00:35:08,802 --> 00:35:15,635 I was further told in a January meeting in 1973 with Caulfield 709 00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:18,333 that the President of the United States 710 00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:19,856 was aware of our meeting... 711 00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:24,948 That the results of the meeting would be 712 00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:28,343 conveyed to the President, and that a future-- 713 00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:31,651 at a future meeting, there would likely be 714 00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:35,263 a personal message from the President himself. 715 00:35:35,307 --> 00:35:36,612 - You appeared, of course, 716 00:35:36,656 --> 00:35:38,136 before the Senate Select Committee 717 00:35:38,179 --> 00:35:40,355 some weeks ago for a whole afternoon. 718 00:35:41,704 --> 00:35:45,491 And yet this very important testimony here 719 00:35:45,534 --> 00:35:48,581 which involves executive clemency, 720 00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:50,670 including the President of the United States, 721 00:35:50,713 --> 00:35:53,847 we just learned about two days ago. 722 00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:55,849 Why the lateness of this? 723 00:35:55,892 --> 00:35:58,591 Why didn't you inform us before this? 724 00:35:58,634 --> 00:36:00,419 - I believe I stated the reason: 725 00:36:00,462 --> 00:36:02,899 because it involved directly, 726 00:36:02,943 --> 00:36:06,729 in my opinion, the President of the United States. 727 00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:16,217 - What made you think Mr. Caulfield had a part 728 00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:19,177 in offering executive clemency to you? 729 00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:21,918 - Because he told me... 730 00:36:23,877 --> 00:36:27,533 That he was conveying a message from the very top level 731 00:36:27,576 --> 00:36:28,838 of the White House. 732 00:36:28,882 --> 00:36:30,666 - You assumed when he said "top level" 733 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:32,015 that meant the President of the United States. 734 00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:33,495 Is that what you thought? 735 00:36:33,539 --> 00:36:36,019 - I assumed it meant one of three people, sir. 736 00:36:36,063 --> 00:36:37,673 - All right, name 'em. 737 00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:41,895 - Mr. Haldeman, Mr. Ehrlichman, or the President. 738 00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:45,333 - This is, I believe, the first time there has been 739 00:36:45,377 --> 00:36:49,642 publicly sworn testimony attributing knowledge 740 00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:51,948 of this whole mess--or at least of the cover-up-- 741 00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:53,733 to the President. 742 00:36:53,776 --> 00:36:55,387 - The Caulfield testimony will be 743 00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:57,127 particularly interesting this afternoon. 744 00:36:57,171 --> 00:36:58,999 It will be the first, uh, opportunity of course 745 00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:02,829 to question anybody about what McCord has said. 746 00:37:02,872 --> 00:37:05,397 - Jack Caulfield had performed some of the White House's 747 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,225 early dirty tricks. 748 00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:09,792 Later, he helped John Dean manage the cover-up 749 00:37:09,836 --> 00:37:11,968 and the payoffs to the Watergate burglars. 750 00:37:12,012 --> 00:37:15,581 - You do know, do you not, that the President is the only 751 00:37:15,624 --> 00:37:18,497 person in this country who can grant executive clemency 752 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:19,672 in a federal criminal matter? 753 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,717 - Yes, sir, I do. 754 00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:26,113 - Did you understand when you were speaking with Mr. Dean 755 00:37:26,156 --> 00:37:29,986 that Mr. Dean wanted you to transmit the message 756 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:32,728 to Mr. McCord that the offer of executive clemency 757 00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:35,035 was made with proper authority? 758 00:37:35,078 --> 00:37:36,863 - Yes, sir. 759 00:37:36,906 --> 00:37:39,735 But of course I have no and did not at that time have any 760 00:37:39,779 --> 00:37:43,783 direct knowledge that the President, uh, had made 761 00:37:43,826 --> 00:37:45,698 such an offer, endorsed such an offer, 762 00:37:45,741 --> 00:37:47,265 or in any way was involved in that offer. 763 00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:48,918 - Oh, I understand that. - Right. 764 00:37:48,962 --> 00:37:52,400 - And you were being asked to do this because of your 765 00:37:52,444 --> 00:37:53,488 friendly relationship with Mr. McCord? 766 00:37:53,532 --> 00:37:55,055 - That's correct. 767 00:37:55,098 --> 00:37:57,579 - I've no further questions, Mr. Chairman. 768 00:37:57,623 --> 00:38:01,409 - Mr. Caulfield, explain to me why it is... 769 00:38:01,453 --> 00:38:05,065 why it is that you thought you were doing a great service. 770 00:38:08,155 --> 00:38:11,158 - I place a high value upon loyalty. 771 00:38:14,683 --> 00:38:16,032 Now, out of the blue... 772 00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:21,603 I'm injected into this scandal; 773 00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:24,127 I'm being asked by one of my former superiors... 774 00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:30,438 To deliver a message that I know to be executive clemency. 775 00:38:33,354 --> 00:38:34,486 I tried to avoid it. 776 00:38:36,357 --> 00:38:37,532 I was not successful. 777 00:38:39,099 --> 00:38:41,144 I was brought back in again to it, 778 00:38:41,188 --> 00:38:44,670 now being asked to see Mr. McCord directly. 779 00:38:44,713 --> 00:38:46,367 I did go to see him. 780 00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:49,979 Now I'm becoming further implicated into this matter. 781 00:38:50,023 --> 00:38:54,157 I had this conversation with John Dean, who's the counsel 782 00:38:54,201 --> 00:38:57,378 to the President. I've been there three years. 783 00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:01,339 I know what the relations are and how they exist. 784 00:39:01,382 --> 00:39:05,386 I make certain judgments based upon those relationships. 785 00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:10,043 In my mind, I felt that the President 786 00:39:10,086 --> 00:39:12,480 probably did know about it. 787 00:39:12,524 --> 00:39:13,481 I had to think about that. 788 00:39:15,091 --> 00:39:17,180 And based upon all of tho-- that background, 789 00:39:17,224 --> 00:39:19,226 I believed I was doing something for the President 790 00:39:19,269 --> 00:39:22,011 of the United States, and I did it, sir. 791 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:27,147 - It was--It was shattering testimony today 792 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:30,106 from Caulfield. He knew it was wrong. 793 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:31,891 And yet he went ahead and did it. 794 00:39:31,934 --> 00:39:35,068 And he assumed that, uh, he was being given these 795 00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:37,679 instructions on behalf of the President. 796 00:39:37,723 --> 00:39:39,202 - Do you think this is an appropriate moment 797 00:39:39,246 --> 00:39:41,030 for the President to, uh, start, uh, giving some 798 00:39:41,074 --> 00:39:42,858 statements to the committee? 799 00:39:42,902 --> 00:39:44,469 - I wouldn't touch that one with a ten-foot pole. 800 00:39:51,432 --> 00:39:53,303 - As you know, the President, uh, issued a lengthy statement 801 00:39:53,347 --> 00:39:55,958 yesterday in which he said that at no time did he authorize 802 00:39:56,002 --> 00:39:58,047 any offer of executive clemency to any 803 00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,049 of the Watergate defendants, nor did he know 804 00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:01,834 of any such offer. 805 00:40:01,877 --> 00:40:03,749 - Buzhardt came back one time and said, 806 00:40:03,792 --> 00:40:05,533 "Okay, now, here's the rationale." 807 00:40:05,577 --> 00:40:08,057 All these things were done out of a concern 808 00:40:08,101 --> 00:40:09,929 for national security. 809 00:40:09,972 --> 00:40:14,934 - And I said, "Fred, I've gone over all these incidents 810 00:40:14,977 --> 00:40:16,457 "that happened, you know, with regard 811 00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:18,894 "to the money raising and the rest of it. 812 00:40:18,938 --> 00:40:22,028 "And I can't find a damn one that was motivated 813 00:40:22,071 --> 00:40:24,422 by national security." 814 00:40:24,465 --> 00:40:28,251 And he looked at me and said, "You got a better idea?" 815 00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:30,863 - Well, I think the, uh, President in his statement, 816 00:40:30,906 --> 00:40:34,432 uh, brought in a new shelter for secrecy and, uh, 817 00:40:34,475 --> 00:40:37,260 trying to say that he was, uh, doing a lot of these things 818 00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:39,262 in the name of internal security. 819 00:40:39,306 --> 00:40:40,829 - And you're not satisfied with the President's statement? 820 00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:42,918 - I am not. 821 00:40:42,962 --> 00:40:44,267 - Then came Jeb Magruder, who had worked 822 00:40:44,311 --> 00:40:46,095 for John Mitchell at CREEP. 823 00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:48,489 - Did there come a time when you had a third and final 824 00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:51,579 meeting with Mr. Mitchell on the Liddy plan on or about 825 00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:53,799 March 30, 1972? - Yes. 826 00:40:53,842 --> 00:40:56,628 Mr. Mitchell was on vacation at Key Biscayne. 827 00:40:56,671 --> 00:40:58,760 Uh, I went down to Key Biscayne. 828 00:40:58,804 --> 00:41:00,675 Uh, Mr. LaRue was there. 829 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,811 Um, and we met, um, and went over approximately 30 to some-- 830 00:41:05,854 --> 00:41:09,597 30-some decision papers mainly relating to, uh, direct mail 831 00:41:09,641 --> 00:41:13,427 and advertising, uh, the other parts of the campaign. 832 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:16,517 The last topic we discussed was the, um, 833 00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:19,128 final, uh, proposal of Mr. Liddy's 834 00:41:19,172 --> 00:41:21,391 which was for approximately $250,000. 835 00:41:21,435 --> 00:41:24,046 We discussed it and, uh, Mr. Mitchell agreed 836 00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:26,571 to, um, approve the project. 837 00:41:26,614 --> 00:41:30,444 - When did you first begin planning the cover-up? 838 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,577 - Oh, I think there was no question that the cover-up 839 00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:35,623 began that Saturday when we realized there was a break-in. 840 00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:37,538 I don't think there was ever any discussion that there 841 00:41:37,582 --> 00:41:39,148 wouldn't be a cover-up. 842 00:41:39,192 --> 00:41:41,237 - John Mitchell tried denying everything. 843 00:41:41,281 --> 00:41:43,152 But it didn't work very well. 844 00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:46,155 - Could Mr. Magruder have been in any way mistaken 845 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:47,461 as to what your position was? 846 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,116 - I would hope not. 847 00:41:51,465 --> 00:41:54,729 - Then how do you explain, Mr. Mitchell, 848 00:41:54,773 --> 00:41:59,386 Mr. Magruder's sworn testimony that you, however reluctantly, 849 00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:01,475 approved the quarter million dollar Liddy plan 850 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,216 in Key Biscayne? 851 00:42:03,259 --> 00:42:06,567 - Mr. Dash, I can't explain anybody's testimony up here, 852 00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:08,613 except my own. 853 00:42:08,656 --> 00:42:11,311 - Why didn't you throw Mr. Liddy out of your office? 854 00:42:11,354 --> 00:42:13,487 - Well, I think, Mr. Dash, in hindsight, 855 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:15,968 I not only should have thrown him out of the office, 856 00:42:16,011 --> 00:42:18,057 I should have thrown him out of the window. 857 00:42:21,016 --> 00:42:22,975 - Well, since you did neither... 858 00:42:26,282 --> 00:42:31,853 Why--Why didn't you at least recommend that Mr. Liddy 859 00:42:31,897 --> 00:42:35,378 be fired from his responsible position at the committee 860 00:42:35,422 --> 00:42:38,033 since obviously he was presenting to you 861 00:42:38,077 --> 00:42:40,122 an irresponsible program? 862 00:42:40,166 --> 00:42:42,603 - Well, I, in hindsight, probably should have done 863 00:42:42,647 --> 00:42:44,300 that, too. 864 00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:46,564 - But the most important witness was John Dean. 865 00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:49,044 Over the objections of the special prosecutor, 866 00:42:49,088 --> 00:42:52,178 the Senate Watergate Committee gave Dean full immunity 867 00:42:52,221 --> 00:42:54,223 for everything he covered in his testimony. 868 00:42:54,267 --> 00:42:56,443 But Dean still faced one problem. 869 00:42:56,486 --> 00:42:59,141 Senator Howard Baker was a White House mole, 870 00:42:59,185 --> 00:43:00,578 and the White House wanted Baker 871 00:43:00,621 --> 00:43:02,623 to attack Dean's credibility. 872 00:43:02,667 --> 00:43:06,758 - Howard Baker was working with the White House at the outset, 873 00:43:06,801 --> 00:43:09,891 reporting to the White House on what was going on 874 00:43:09,935 --> 00:43:12,154 internally in the committee. 875 00:43:12,198 --> 00:43:15,244 - They knew that Baker and Fred Thompson 876 00:43:15,288 --> 00:43:17,333 were working with the White House. 877 00:43:17,377 --> 00:43:20,423 I fairly early gave him that information. 878 00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:22,512 - How did you know? 879 00:43:22,556 --> 00:43:24,427 - Because I'd prepared the talking paper for the President 880 00:43:24,471 --> 00:43:26,038 to meet with Howard Baker. 881 00:43:33,828 --> 00:43:36,439 - John Dean, the former White House Counsel, 882 00:43:36,483 --> 00:43:38,964 has reported today ready to testify. 883 00:43:39,007 --> 00:43:41,444 - And in just a moment, John Dean will move 884 00:43:41,488 --> 00:43:43,359 to center stage. 885 00:43:43,403 --> 00:43:45,666 You see him here with his wife, uh, at his right. 886 00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:48,103 He was fired by the President on April 30th. 887 00:43:48,147 --> 00:43:50,628 Since then the country has been battered by a series 888 00:43:50,671 --> 00:43:52,717 of revelations-- some from Dean, 889 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,502 some from his enemies--with the intent to either establish 890 00:43:55,545 --> 00:43:58,636 or destroy his credibility. 891 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,159 - It is my honest belief... 892 00:44:02,204 --> 00:44:04,990 That while the President was involved, 893 00:44:05,033 --> 00:44:09,516 that he did not realize or appreciate at any time 894 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,779 the implications of his involvement. 895 00:44:11,823 --> 00:44:14,390 And I think that when the facts come out, 896 00:44:14,434 --> 00:44:16,218 I hope the President is forgiven. 71741

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