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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,760 I love drumming. 2 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,000 When my eyes are closed and I'm playing the beat, 3 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,240 it's the same if there's, you know, 40,000 people 4 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:09,560 or if there's 40 people or four. 5 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,360 It's really just moving the air with these vibrations 6 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,120 and getting people to feel the power of the drum. 7 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,960 It's punctuating life with rhythm. 8 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,000 When I play drums at the drum circle 9 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,320 or big concerts, you feel like you're connecting with people. 10 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Once you start playing, 11 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,120 nothing else really matters, you're in the moment. 12 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,760 It's a great instrument to play. 13 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,640 When I was young, I saw a show about Benny Goodman, 14 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,760 and they had the real Gene Krupa in the movie. 15 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,040 And every time they went to Gene, he was slamming. 16 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,360 And they go to the audience, 17 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,480 they were snapping, and I just thought that it seems like 18 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:59,200 the coolest thing in the world to play and drive a song and turn people on. 19 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:27,280 I believe it was a Monday. 20 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,240 We used to have bath nights in the house. 21 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,560 Me dad was there ironing. Me dad loved to iron. 22 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:34,120 Which was great, my mum loved it. 23 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,480 I think that's why she married him, you know. 24 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,720 Anyway, set up near the ironing board. 25 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,560 And we had a little, like, black and white TV set. 26 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,640 So the TV show was on. 27 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,120 Off they go, and I've gone… 28 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,520 "Whoa, who's that, Dad?" 29 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,080 "That's, er, Dave Brubeck Quartet, son." 30 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,080 "No, no. Who's that on the drum set?" 31 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,960 "Oh, that's Joe Morello, son." 32 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,200 "Wow! He's good, isn't he?" 33 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,600 I said, "I just want to be like him." 34 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,680 "You'll never be as good as Joe Morello," goes my dad's report. 35 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,400 And I'm like, "That's me done." 36 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,320 The video that changed my life was Mötley Crüe's "Wild Side", 37 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,280 {\an8}where I saw Tommy Lee rolling around in a drum cage 38 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,800 {\an8}and I thought, "Oh, my God, that's the job for me." 39 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,920 I'm done, I need to play drums. 40 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,360 I was, like, super shy, like the shyest girl that you could ever have met, huh, 41 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,240 and I just… I went to this drum club and… 42 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,640 You know, in The Matrix, when Neo suddenly sees all the code? 43 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,680 It felt like that. 44 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,520 Like, I couldn't do it yet, but I understood it. 45 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,280 I understood the principles of it. 46 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,200 It was the sort of drum break on "Wipeout" by The Surfaris, 47 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,280 which is one of the first things I learned, I think. 48 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,920 And I… "Oh, I can do that, you know, is it…" 49 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,000 And that's great. 50 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,920 You know, when you suddenly think, "Oh, I can do that." 51 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,760 As an 11-year-old, I was into Sandy Nelson. 52 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,360 {\an8}The records focused on the sound of the drums and the sound of what he was doing. 53 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,840 {\an8}I remember dragging my mother, "Mom, listen… 54 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,360 what he's doing there, see, Mom, see. Hear that 'shh' sound?" 55 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,600 "That's because he's playing the drums so fast that it sounds like…" 56 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,640 "Hey, Mom. No, Mom. No, listen, listen." 57 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 And here, you know, I sort of have a vague memory 58 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,160 of harassing my poor old mom to listen to Sandy Nelson. 59 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,440 They just looked so cool. 60 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,680 You know, when you're young and impressionable, 61 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,400 {\an8}everything about it was mysterious and magical and dangerous. 62 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,840 You gotta remember, this time, rarely were people on television. 63 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,800 And you looked at the records, the actual albums, and you opened them up, 64 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,280 so it really left a lot to your imagination. 65 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,280 I had this incredible drum set. 66 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,960 I mean, it was growing exponentially. 67 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Every day there'd be something else in it. 68 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,080 I went out in the kitchen and I picked up a pair of knives 69 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,440 and I beat the living daylights out my mum's cooker. 70 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,320 There's all these pieces of enamel flying off my mum's cooker. 71 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,760 Dad comes in… 72 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,160 "What's going on in here? 73 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,960 What's this confounded racket you're making?" 74 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,960 I'm beating it… I ain't stopping. 75 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,160 I'm Joe, I'm that dark sunglass guy. 76 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,680 I'm giving it the big one on the top of the cooker. 77 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,960 {\an8}I played on pans and pots and random drums. 78 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,240 {\an8}And my dad had goalie pads, he was a hockey player. 79 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,040 I did that for, like, a year, 80 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,680 until finally, they were like, "Okay, I think she's serious, 81 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:29,960 we'll buy her a drum set." 82 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:37,240 When my first toy drum kit arrived, I had to be the happiest kid in the universe. 83 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,560 {\an8}And I'll never forget that little kit because it was one of those drum kits 84 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,000 {\an8}that you get from Sears and Roebucks, you know? 85 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,120 {\an8}And it was… I call it a Beatles kit 86 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,280 because it had a picture of the Beatles on the front, 87 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:54,160 you know, and it was made of cardboard and paper. 88 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,160 {\an8}And it took about a day for me to tear that up. 89 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,720 {\an8}Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles! 90 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,520 -♪ Well, shake it up, baby, now ♪ -♪ Shake it up, baby ♪ 91 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,160 The TV is on. 92 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,880 {\an8}I'm in the other room and I'm hearing Cynthia say, 93 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,240 {\an8}"Come on. You got to watch this. 94 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,560 {\an8}You got to watch this." 95 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,440 ♪ Come on and work it on out ♪ 96 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,400 For people of my generation, the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in the States 97 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,240 was a pivotal point, an epiphany for a lot of people. 98 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,960 ♪ Come on and work it on out ♪ 99 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,120 It was like these guys from who knows where, from outer space somewhere, 100 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,960 you know, came down playing this amazing, you know, 101 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,000 rock 'n' roll music. 102 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,160 One, two, three, four. 103 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,360 And there's Ringo, sitting up there. 104 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,760 He's, like, 25 yards off the ground, with a Ludwig Super Classic drum set. 105 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,360 ♪ …way beyond compare ♪ 106 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,920 That hi-hat open. 107 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 And he could dance while he played, which was great. 108 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,160 I loved him. 109 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,640 Looking back at that early footage again, there's this fire, 110 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,080 this intensity to the way Ringo played and would splash the cymbals. 111 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,840 And he was, you know, up high and on the edge of his seat. 112 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,960 He had a punk energy, the fire with which he's playing and driving that band. 113 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,840 And when you remember that they had a hard time hearing each other, 114 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,760 but he was laying down the beat and driving that band. 115 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,520 To me, there's nobody like him. 116 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,200 His main influence was American, solidly American. 117 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,280 I mean, from early on… 118 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,720 They were in Liverpool, so they had the advantage 119 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,000 of getting the newest records coming from the sailors. 120 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,680 {\an8}They were able to hear the American rock stuff 121 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,880 {\an8}that was happening at the time, and they were hugely influenced by that. 122 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,080 The Mersey Sound. Yes, Liverpool's selling pop music. 123 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,920 {\an8}Liverpool kids are proud of the fact that their city is providing 124 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,000 {\an8}the world with beat music and an offbeat cult of fashion. 125 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,360 Tune in for a bit. 126 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,320 Everyone wanted the same thing. 127 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,520 They wanted to be an R&B band because that was cool, 128 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,400 even though we were playing all sorts of other nonsense, 129 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,400 but the ambition was R&B. 130 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,880 And everyone was listening to, you know, the old blues records, 131 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,160 Muddy Waters, Lightnin' Hopkins, Howlin' Wolf and so on. 132 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,280 We listened to the music. 133 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:41,880 We made it our own. 134 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,720 We messed around with it and we sent it back to America and America loved it. 135 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,840 And they loved it because it was being made by funny guys with funny haircuts. 136 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,040 So it didn't matter whether we were playing it right or playing it wrong, 137 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,160 they loved it. 138 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,160 Here's these young guys from England playing it 'cause they dig it. 139 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,240 Like Charlie Watts would say, 140 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,160 "The Stones, we just wanted to be a good, you know, R&B cover band." 141 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,400 That's what they were for a while, you know, 142 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,200 until they started writing their own songs. 143 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,920 And that's kind of naturally the way it goes. 144 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,920 They packaged it in a way that us Americans just ate it up. 145 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Charlie. 146 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,760 {\an8}It's about the groove, dude, Don't… You know, all that other shit? 147 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,320 {\an8}Doesn't matter. Just hit that magic sweet spot, 148 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,040 {\an8}the good foot, the whatever it is. Of course, they got excellent lyrics 149 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,520 and wonderful musicianship on the guitar. 150 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:43,000 Great, you know, all kinds of other qualities. 151 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,600 But it's that ramshackle groove that's unique that many look for, 152 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:52,680 but few can achieve that sophisticated dishevelment. 153 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,960 And that's why the Stones are the Stones. 154 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:06,080 Yeah, Charlie Watts is an English drummer who plays like no other English drummer. 155 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,480 He… He just doesn't. 156 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,160 He didn't… Never smiled. 157 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,680 You got a couple of them… out of him, 158 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,160 you know, in the early days. 159 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,800 He was a jazz drummer. He was a big band player, 160 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,360 playing in a pop band. 161 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,560 He… That was his thing. 162 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,160 But he… And he just had this thing 163 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,520 where… Ringo was this… 164 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,880 And Charlie… 165 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:31,840 It's like he'd… 166 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,760 He'd leave a beat out. 167 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:34,840 On his hi-hat. 168 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,200 And I thought, "God, that's fucking brilliant." 169 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,680 That's what I'm gonna do. I wanna be him. 170 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,040 If you listen to the beginning of "Honky Tonk Woman" 171 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,240 by the Rolling Stones, it starts out at a certain tempo. 172 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,200 ♪ She tried to take me upstairs for a ride ♪ 173 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,920 This is the great Charlie Watts, one of the best all-time drummers ever. 174 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,680 And by the end, he's probably like… 175 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,360 If it starts at 103, he's probably at 109 or something. 176 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,960 ♪ It's a honkey tonk woman ♪ 177 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,640 But you don't sit there and go, 178 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,520 "Oh, God, that song is really speeding up." 179 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,960 It's just naturally… That's how they play. 180 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,800 Whoo! 181 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,920 "Merry Christmas, Mommy plus Dad." 182 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,720 Well, usually drumsticks come in pairs. 183 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,560 So that's probably what the other part is. 184 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,640 Yeah. 185 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,680 {\an8}Eventually, after ruining enough cooking ware, my parents acquiesced 186 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,240 {\an8}and got me an actual drum set when I was four years old. 187 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:53,160 - Yes! - No! 188 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,080 Yeah! 189 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,400 - No! - Yeah! 190 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,520 And here's the drumstick. Yeah! 191 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,360 I remember getting a drum kit at the age of six. 192 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:06,040 I lived in a tiny little house in a village. 193 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:12,200 So making noise wasn't a very popular thing to do down my road. 194 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,200 Okay, open them. 195 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,200 My favourite! 196 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,400 Oh, my God, this is a drum set! 197 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,960 It's a drum set! 198 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,360 It's a drum set! 199 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,360 It's a drum set! 200 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,600 Yay! 201 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:39,720 You okay? 202 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,440 Mmm-hmm. 203 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,960 For Christmas, I got an acoustic kit, and I remember, like, 204 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,480 falling against the wall because I was so overwhelmed 205 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,720 and excited, and just… Like, this was it. 206 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,840 I mean, it was like giving me a lifetime supply of gold 207 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,840 or… I don't know, it was just like, 208 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,280 this is the most incredible moment of my life. 209 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,120 It was a sign, that my parents were going, 210 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,280 "We believe you can do this, too." 211 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,320 But what that meant was I could go and do live gigs. 212 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,040 That was the big thing about having my own drum kit. 213 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,720 I was like, "I can actually…" 214 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,400 "I could be a professional now." 215 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,080 So my father would sit down and show me a beat. 216 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,560 I'd play it and then he would pick up the bass and we'd jam. 217 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,440 That's what playing the drums has always been for me, 218 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,400 is an opportunity to play with other musicians. 219 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,560 And, uh, to listen to what they're doing. 220 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Yeah! 221 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,440 Yeah! 222 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,440 I was introduced to drums, 223 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,600 so I started playing the drums when I was 13. 224 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,000 I'd seen Keith Moon on Top of the Pops. 225 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,360 -♪ People try to put us down ♪ -♪ Talkin' 'bout my generation ♪ 226 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,440 All of a sudden, this band came and they were louder 227 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,720 than anything you'd ever heard, and they were violent, 228 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,240 and had great songs and charisma. 229 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,400 -♪ Why don't you all fade away ♪ -♪ Talkin' 'bout my generation ♪ 230 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,160 The Who were phenomenal. 231 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,760 And Keith Moon, a drummer like nobody had ever seen. 232 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,920 From this sort of seeming chaos, beautiful to watch, huh, 233 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,920 came this great… came these great drum parts. 234 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,400 And I got it all wrong. 235 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,400 I thought, he's the best looking in the group. 236 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:25,960 He's right at the front. 237 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:27,120 It's all about him. 238 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,200 All the cameras were shots of him. 239 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,600 I want to be Keith Moon. I want to play the drums. 240 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,600 {\an8}Of course, I started playing the drums, 241 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,360 {\an8}and by the time I realised that drummers sat at the back 242 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,560 {\an8}and just kept the beat, it was a bit too late. 243 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,280 But he was why I started wanting to play the drums, Keith Moon. 244 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,480 There, to me, was a guy who has a natural sense of time. 245 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,160 He's not just keeping a straight beat, although he could do that. 246 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,200 But the way that he expressed himself on his instrument was very unique. 247 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,960 ♪ Yeah, my generation ♪ 248 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,200 I think that the really great drummers have that. 249 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,920 My brother was the coolest kid on campus, 250 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:23,680 and there was a band in the school as well, The Black Knights. 251 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,320 So Ian, obviously, as the coolest guy in Beirut, 252 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,680 should be the drummer in the band. So Ian had the drums in his bedroom 253 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,600 and he was trying to figure them out. 254 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,440 But he couldn't really, and when he would leave, 255 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,680 I would sneak into his room on pain of death. 256 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,680 I would sneak into his room and get on there 257 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,960 and try and do what he was doing, and actually… 258 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,440 But I can do it. 259 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,080 This can't be right. 260 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,920 I must be doing it wrong. 261 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,000 I picked up my dad's sticks and I got my sister in, 262 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,880 and I told her to bring a spoon in, a tablespoon. 263 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,440 So she brought the spoon in. 264 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,720 So I said, "Do this, just hit it. One…" 265 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,640 "And count to yourself, 'one, two, three, four.'" 266 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:13,520 And so I played against that. And that was the thrill of my lifetime. 267 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,520 That's when I knew… 268 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,480 what syncopation was all about, what it was like to groove. 269 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,800 I had a neighbour named Kent Kleeder 270 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:30,760 who had a drum set, a really bad drum set. 271 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,800 So he said, "Sit on this drum set, Taylor." 272 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,560 "And you do this. You go, 273 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,040 'One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four.'" 274 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,360 "And on one, you put your foot, and that's called a kick drum." 275 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,080 "So you go, 'One, two, three, four. One, two…'" 276 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,120 And I was like, "Okay." 277 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,680 And then he goes, "On three…" 278 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,240 "This is a snare drum." 279 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,280 "You cross your hands and you hit the snare drum on three." 280 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,560 I went… 281 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,520 And he goes, "Stop." 282 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,960 I'm like, "What?" He's like, 283 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,320 "You're a fucking drummer, dude." 284 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,800 And it was, like, literally like a lightning bolt. 285 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,600 And I'll remember… 286 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,240 everything about that moment 287 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,840 for the rest of my life 'cause everything changed. 288 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,240 Well, my dad was a drummer and I didn't want to play drums 289 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,320 {\an8}'cause I was like, "I want to be different and unique." 290 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,000 {\an8}"I don't wanna be the drummer as well." 291 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,520 {\an8}So, uh, my dad was like, "I'll buy you a guitar 292 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,680 if you play drums for just a year in the school band." 293 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,560 So I joined the school band. 294 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,240 I did a whole year. 295 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,880 And then, even till now, he never bought me a guitar, 296 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,120 so it felt like a little bit of a bribe, but it worked. 297 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:24,560 I am going to go pick out a drum kit from Ross, the Drum Doctor. 298 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,600 So I'm going drum shopping today, 299 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,880 which is my favourite kind of shopping to do. 300 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,040 I'm picking out a kit to do a little jam with 301 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,080 some drummer idols of mine, actually. 302 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,840 These are people that I totally look up to. 303 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,840 I can't believe I'm going to be in the same room as them 304 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,800 and then also playing drums with them. 305 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,480 Um, I feel like that's such an honour, but I'm very excited to do it. 306 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,840 Wow. 307 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,040 Whoa. 308 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,320 - How's it going? - Pretty good. 309 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,480 -How are you doing? -I'm good. 310 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,400 This is awesome. 311 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,720 I love this. I want everything. 312 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,560 Welcome to my temple of drums. 313 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,640 Yeah, this is amazing. 314 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,520 -Thank you for having me. -Yeah, it's my pleasure. 315 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,440 -Glad you could make it. -Yeah. Thank you. 316 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,640 Feel free to tap on them and, uh, figure out what works for you. 317 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,600 Yeah. 318 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,960 You got a lot of choices. 319 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,400 Looks like you have plenty of choices, so it might take me a while to pick one. 320 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,640 When I started Drum Doctors, I had, uh… 321 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,360 I think I had five drum sets and twelve snares. 322 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,680 I had good taste back then because that stuff is still renting today. 323 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,760 And this is, you know, this was 1981 that I started it. 324 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,040 Do you know how many kits you have total in here? 325 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,400 Honestly, I don't. 326 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,040 Yeah, it's never-ending. 327 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,040 I felt that because I had been the drummer 328 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:19,920 and I saw what a drummer needed, 329 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,120 that I could be better at taking care of them 330 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,280 than a roadie who was just basically a guy who is moving stuff, 331 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,840 who really didn't understand how to tune a drum or 332 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,520 really how to set up a drum or, 333 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,680 you know, all the little intricacies. 334 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,680 I like big sounding drums. 335 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,400 - Mmm-hmm. - Like the deep tones. 336 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,360 I feel like I look like I'm a delicate, fragile person, 337 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,640 but when I get behind the kit I want it to sound big. 338 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,560 -Yeah, with the right combinations… -Yeah. 339 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,960 …and the tunings and stuff we could make you sound as big as you want, 340 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,800 without giving away too many of my secrets. 341 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,280 Yeah. 342 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,320 ♪ Little monster ♪ 343 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,640 ♪ I got my eye on you ♪ 344 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Music doesn't have to be that serious. 345 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,320 Let's just go and have fun. 346 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,360 ♪ Tell me what's on your mind ♪ 347 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,400 And, well, I'm in the best job in the world. 348 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,640 I'm having the best time of my life. 349 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,000 My mentality is you have come here 350 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,520 for an hour and a half to forget about everything else going on in the world. 351 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,680 Those moments are so precious in life. 352 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,600 And it's a privilege 353 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,920 to be able to walk on stage and put on that show for people. 354 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,600 Ben from Royal Blood. 355 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,800 He's got great time, great feel. 356 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,320 And he gets it, you know? 357 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,800 And they get it, as far as being a live band. 358 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,840 It's a thing. 359 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,560 When I go see players, I want to see guys 360 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,160 with intent, 361 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,480 that are doing it with conviction 362 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,960 and doing it because… 'Cause you fucking mean it. 363 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,640 If not, go flip hamburgers. 364 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,920 All my favourite drummers are American 365 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,880 who have learnt from English drummers, 366 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,200 who have probably learnt from American drummers. 367 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,080 But it all comes back to England, doesn't it? 368 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,920 Obviously, 'cause we started it. 369 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,640 My dad, when I first started playing, here's a tip. 370 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,920 He said to me, "Son, this is your feet. 371 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,720 So this is your left foot on the hi-hat. 372 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,080 So that left foot will go backwards and forwards and rock. 373 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,680 If you look at a lot of the old jazz drummers from the '60s, '50s, 374 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,120 that's how they play. 375 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600 And that left foot is their timekeeper." 376 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,480 Right? 377 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,280 And that's all it's doing, backwards and forwards. 378 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,080 My old man says, "Son… 379 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,480 I want you to sit there and do the same on the right foot, but the other way." 380 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,800 So… 381 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,120 So, huh… 382 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,400 What was the question? 383 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,360 There's a theme here, and there's a theme for a reason 384 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,600 as to why these drummers liked jazz drummers and liked jazz. 385 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Well, at the beginning, it was all about jazz drummers 386 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,880 'cause of the conversation. Elvin Jones. 387 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,560 Art Blakey. 388 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,960 Buddy "The God" Rich, because it doesn't get better. 389 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,960 There's a big difference 390 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,920 between playing rock and playing jazz. 391 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,120 You're able to make the music move and change and grow. 392 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,360 {\an8}You're able to interject your ideas and your opinions. 393 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,040 {\an8}You're able to play around the form, 394 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,720 you're able to play across the bar line, 395 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,360 able to change directions real quick. 396 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,800 Playing in most rock situations or in pop rock situations, 397 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:38,240 um, the goal is to play a groove. 398 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,760 There's a beauty in that, to being able to lay down something 399 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,240 that just feels great, you know, and allows the music to float. 400 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,200 ♪ I want to get away ♪ 401 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,840 ♪ I want to fly away Yeah ♪ 402 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,760 And it makes people want to dance. 403 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,840 You know, you play a nice… 404 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,280 It's going to make somebody feel a certain way. 405 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,360 You know, when somebody starts tapping their foot, 406 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,960 you know you're in there. 407 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,360 The difference between playing that and playing jazz… 408 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,320 You know, you want that to feel good. 409 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,800 Until rock 'n' roll came along 410 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,080 in the '50s, very, very few pieces of popular music 411 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,400 had a straight eight… 412 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,480 It was all… 413 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,680 So everything I heard had that in it. 414 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,120 And when I started to play, 415 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,880 even if the basis of the song was , 416 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,160 in my head I'd still be feeling, where does the swing come in it? 417 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,640 And even if I wasn't playing the note, I'd be thinking it. 418 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,640 The sort of grace note. 419 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,760 Grace note is a tiny little touch on the drum, 420 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,800 which influences the next note. 421 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,360 And without that, the feel you're trying to achieve 422 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,760 is impossible because all you end up hearing is "do, da, do, da." 423 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,760 But you get… That little… changes everything. 424 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,120 And sometimes you don't have to play them, but you got to think them. 425 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,840 One of the remarkable things about your playing 426 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,480 is the way you manage to get a kind of dialogue 427 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,960 going between your feet and your hands. 428 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Not only are your feet each playing different rhythms, 429 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,760 but so are your hands. 430 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,640 And that, of course, doesn't account for cymbals, it's like a one-man orchestra. 431 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,160 {\an8}Yeah, you can get good tings on a cymbal. 432 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,600 {\an8}Can you give us an example of this kind of instrumental conversation? 433 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:27,280 The great Ginger Baker, who is a jazz drummer 434 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,040 trapped in a rock man's body. 435 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,600 When I saw Ginger Baker with his double bass drums 436 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,000 and right in the middle and playing, I think, "N.S.U." 437 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,880 and just thinking, "Now that is what I'd like to be." 438 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,880 He wasn't at the back. 439 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,920 He was actually part of the band 440 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,800 and actually interacting with Jack or Eric, or whatever. 441 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:04,960 It was a very different dynamic to Ringo being 15 feet behind on a riser. 442 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,480 He was an amazing Jazz bebop fusion-type drummer. 443 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,280 When Cream came along, he just changed it all round. 444 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,360 It's like they said, "Okay, that's enough of that. 445 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,440 I'm going to do this now." 446 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,360 And when you hear Ginger playing with Cream… 447 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,400 …all of a sudden, it's not that jazzy thing any more. 448 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,280 He's made a new statement in rock 'n' roll. 449 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,560 Ginger Baker on drums! 450 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,680 I don't care about Ringo. 451 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,120 I don't care about Charlie. 452 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,280 I'm sorry. 453 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,720 It's all about John Bonham. 454 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Led Zeppelin. 455 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,840 Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, that's it. 456 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,480 What is that? 457 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,040 Check this shit out, motherfucker! 458 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,280 Every drummer in America in 1975 459 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,360 wanted to sound like John Bonham, because he was the best. 460 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,520 He got the best drum sound. 461 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640 His drums were tuned the best. 462 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,440 He was in the biggest band, he was the best. 463 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,960 You got to remember, Robert Plant and Bonham were, like, 464 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920 19 or 20 when they joined the band. Something like that. 465 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,480 Like, that's young, man. 466 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,560 And here's a guy who comes out 467 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,600 a fully realised musician, like the first Zeppelin album, 468 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,800 he's doing his doubles. 469 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,840 The first song, "Good Times, Bad Times." 470 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,240 He's doing his John Bonham thing from the very get-go. 471 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,880 I think Freddie saw them at the Marquee before I did, 472 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,600 and then he said, "Well, come on, you've got to see this band, they're great." 473 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,400 We went to the Lyceum in the Strand. 474 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,640 They sort of shuffled on, 475 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,680 and Bonzo just sort of did a little warm-up. 476 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,320 And we both sort of… Wow! 477 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,880 You know, most drummers didn't sound like that. 478 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,760 Tremendous power and speed. 479 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,680 And he was technically brilliant. 480 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,880 I didn't know what Led Zeppelin was. 481 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,000 We were kind of tripping backstage and I tapped on the bass drum, 482 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,160 Bonham's bass drum, and it just went "boing!" 483 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,480 {\an8}Like, what? Like, there was no… 484 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,400 {\an8}Like, my bass drum was, you know, Hollywood recording ready 485 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,760 with the blanket in it and the front head off, 486 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,360 and his was just exactly the opposite. 487 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,120 Both heads on, nothing inside. 488 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,160 You could tell, it just went "boing!" 489 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,000 And I said, "Maybe it's kind of like a Salvation Army kind of thing." 490 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,200 You know, I was thinking, like, maybe some big marching bass drum kind of sound. 491 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,200 That night, to watch them was incredible. 492 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,720 I had a rough childhood, 493 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,400 and I think that as a girl, like, you're supposed 494 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,320 to keep your feelings in or whatever. 495 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,320 {\an8}But for me, I got behind the drum set 496 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000 {\an8}and I beat the shit out of it, and it was my release. 497 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,760 I wanted to take the beater of the kick drum 498 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,160 and just smash it through and just crack my snare as hard as I could. 499 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,760 And that's what I could learn along to Bonham's playing. 500 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,520 Everything you need to know as a drummer, 501 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,920 just listen to Led Zeppelin and you'll learn it. 502 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,400 When you're that age, fifth grade, 503 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,400 you need something to kind of hang your hat on. 504 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,760 If you're not a great athlete or you're not, like… 505 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,680 the best-looking kid in the world or whatever, 506 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,880 you need something. 507 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,960 And once I found drums, it kind of became my coat of Armour. 508 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,800 We started playing these clubs in Detroit, 509 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,040 and we would play three sets a night, six nights a week, 510 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,520 and it was like, 511 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,080 {\an8}"This is it, I've made it. This is the greatest thing ever." 512 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,160 I'm walking around in my bare feet in these, you know, 513 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:10,520 beer-soaked clubs in Detroit and playing music, and girls, 514 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960 and everything that went with that, 515 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,880 and it was like, "Wow, this is really something." 516 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,000 "I'm a professional musician, making $165 a week." 517 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,240 But I was doing what I wanted to do, what I loved. 518 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,440 I got paid 20 quid to be in the house band 519 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,680 when I was like 14, and I was like, "I'm a professional!" 520 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,280 That was the overriding feeling. 521 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,640 It was like, "I'm doing it. And I'm…" It just felt right. 522 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:39,920 I was… I was… 523 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,760 I was on my path and I was heading exactly where I wanted to go. 524 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,280 Telling your parents you want to drop out of college 525 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,720 {\an8}to be in a rock band and tour with a bunch of boys, 526 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,880 {\an8}my parents were a little bit iffy about that. 527 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,720 It was funny. They gave me a year. 528 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,680 They said, "We'll give you a year to do that, and then, you know, 529 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,040 go back to school and go back to your plan." 530 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,800 The first tour we did, our parents closing that van door. It was a 15-passenger van, 531 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,400 they closed it for us and they're all in their driveway waving at us. 532 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,560 And I remember we all looked around, we were like, "Are we really doing this?" 533 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,120 We were so excited, no parents with us, you know what I mean? 534 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,160 It was just a bunch of 18-year-olds in a van travelling around the US. 535 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,720 You know, I was playing music every night. 536 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,280 We weren't making any money. 537 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,040 We were sleeping on people's floors. 538 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,400 If we couldn't sleep on people's floors, we would just sleep in the van. 539 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,560 You know, I think I was just so happy to be doing what other people, 540 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,520 I think, had always, like, dreamed of doing. 541 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,160 The dream was, you know, to achieve success in America. 542 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,720 So you go there, all very wide-eyed 543 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,400 and everything's very big and the distances are huge. 544 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,320 The touring really was hard work. 545 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,320 I mean, there was the lightning bolt at Kent Kleeder's house. 546 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,640 The second thing, a couple months later, was the Queen concert. 547 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,440 My first concert ever was Queen, 548 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,760 and Roger Taylor was like a garage punk rock drummer 549 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,920 in this glorious orchestral band. 550 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,720 And his parts were orchestral, but his attitude was just… 551 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:03,320 That was my first experience of seeing a band, and I still feel it, 552 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,880 smell it, taste it, hear it. 553 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,640 And Roger Taylor, 554 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:16,160 he played the whole drum set, like, it was kind of like an orchestra. 555 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,440 He played such perfect parts for songs, 556 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,960 but yet would let you know he's there, too. 557 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,560 It wasn't just timekeeping. 558 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,240 Every once in a while, some flashy, perfectly placed fill would happen. 559 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,240 That to me was like, that's how you… 560 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,600 That's an arena band, that's what you want to be. 561 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,760 In the first half, we saw how rock stars have become more and more distant 562 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,920 from their audiences. Some are tax exiles and live abroad in California or Europe. 563 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,640 Others only appear on stage in vast stadiums where tickets cost plenty 564 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,240 and they appear as small dots on the horizon. 565 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,800 All the people in punk bands, we didn't really have a choice. 566 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,840 We weren't ever going to be in a prog rock band. 567 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,880 We weren't ever going to be able to play 568 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,880 sophisticated time signatures and have flute solos, 569 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,120 that just wasn't what we wanted. 570 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,320 ♪ I got a feeling inside of me ♪ 571 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,840 ♪ It's kind of strange Like a stormy sea ♪ 572 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,960 ♪ I don't know why… ♪ 573 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,640 High energy, fast tunes, 574 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,200 that's where I was comfortable. That's what felt good. 575 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,320 It was something with adrenaline, you know, rush. 576 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,000 And that was exactly what the rest of the band wanted. 577 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,040 ♪ I got a new rose, I got her good ♪ 578 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,800 ♪ I guess I knew that I always would ♪ 579 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400 If they are singing, don't bash too many drums. 580 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,040 When the singing stops, do whatever you like 581 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,560 to bring in the next bit. 582 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,560 ♪ I never thought This could happen to me ♪ 583 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,840 You watch a guitar player play a solo, and they go, 584 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,640 "Oh, I'm tearing every note from my soul. 585 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,240 Oh, I'm in tears." And I'm gonna go… 586 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,000 The drummer's like, 587 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,840 "Yeah, get a load of this. 588 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,440 I'm here, I can do." 589 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,840 I'll never work again. 590 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,560 {\an8}If I came off stage with half an ounce of energy, 591 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,520 {\an8}it was a poor gig. 592 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,200 {\an8}It was play as fast as you could, I'd be gasping for breath. 593 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,360 It's just like sprinting. 594 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,640 You just sprint and you give it everything you can. 595 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,480 The punk rock discipline, it's real discipline. 596 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,120 It's not jamming. 597 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:25,160 You don't jam, you know, you play your part and you work hard to write that part. 598 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,520 And you work hard to have the endurance so you can play it. 599 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,240 The four of us would come off and just collapse on the floor. 600 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,120 It was 100% we put in, 100% to everything. 601 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,800 ♪ Tommy gun ♪ 602 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,960 ♪ You ain't happy unless you got one ♪ 603 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,480 ♪ Tommy gun ♪ 604 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,160 ♪ Ain't gonna shoot the place up Just for fun ♪ 605 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,840 My role on stage really was just to anchor it. 606 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,800 And they'd all run around, like three Eddie Cochrans, 607 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,520 making brilliant noise and stuff and looking amazing. 608 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,640 And then if they got lost, they'd turn to me. 609 00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,880 And I'd go… 610 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,640 ♪ Tommy gun ♪ 611 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,800 And that became my role in The Clash. 612 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,880 ♪ Tommy gun… ♪ 613 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,840 A rule of rock 'n' roll, it says, 614 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,040 {\an8}you're only as good as your drummer, and that is really true, 615 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,640 {\an8}because if you try and imagine a group and the drummer is falling apart, 616 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,120 then no matter what you're putting on top, it's going to fall apart. 617 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,120 ♪ Okay, so let's agree ♪ 618 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,120 ♪ About the price ♪ 619 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,920 ♪ And make it one jet airliner… ♪ 620 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,040 I basically just taught myself. 621 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,000 I used to watch Top of the Pops, and I'd watch how drummers play. 622 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,640 I realised they sat like this and they played the hi-hat. 623 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,240 You know, if you've got a brain, it's quite easy to figure it all out. 624 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,120 Then I'd buy an album, and I'd know they sat like that, 625 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,000 and I'd listen to it and I'd copy it. 626 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:55,240 Finding someone who not only had the chops but the strength and the stamina to do it, 627 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,280 was just the breakthrough for us. If we hadn't have found Topper Headon, 628 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,120 we'd have never, ever got anywhere. 629 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,280 Every now and then, even punks on amyl nitrate got to chill. 630 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,640 {\an8}There's only… Sniffing glue will only get you so far 631 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,440 {\an8}into the evening. And, so they gotta chill. 632 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,600 But there's no chill punk music, 'cause it ain't punk if it's chill. 633 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,760 But Don Letts, the DJ of the time, 634 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,800 figured out that dub reggae would fit the bill perfectly. 635 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,080 It's hostile, it's dark. 636 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,560 It's really pissed off, but chill. 637 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,480 And it was The Clash, credit must be given, 638 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,280 who first had the inkling of an idea. 639 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,680 "Hey, why don't us white boys try to play some of that?" 640 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,320 And as the things progressed and the music started to get 641 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:56,120 a little more dynamic, you really heard the drummer become more aware 642 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:02,120 of this Jamaican, African drumbeats that he was throwing in. 643 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,840 It was organic. Nothing was… 644 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,080 Nothing was contrived or planned. 645 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,720 As I played with the group and we started rehearsing 646 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,480 some more numbers, a few funk influences crept in. 647 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,840 Er… " In Hammersmith Palais." Came in as a fill. 648 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,240 A few other bits and pieces. We went and saw Taj Mahal at the… 649 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,520 I think it was at the Venue in Victoria. 650 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,960 And I nicked a few bits off Taj Mahal. It just became like a melting pot. 651 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,440 Like, my philosophy of drumming became the philosophy, 652 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,400 or was the philosophy of The Clash. 653 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,440 I'm not saying I made it, it just became the philosophy of The Clash. 654 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,080 We'd try and play everything. 655 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,240 I had been listening to a lot of reggae anyway, 656 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,880 and was already trying to figure out 657 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,560 that it's totally wrong, the way that that guy… drummer is doing on the drums. 658 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,440 Wrong, wrong, wrong! 659 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,360 No, no! But it's kinda right. 660 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,280 And so figuring out that you play the backbeat 661 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,960 and the downbeat at the same time… 662 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,160 Well, what are the other beats for? You listen again and check it out. 663 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:02,960 Geez, really? Really? 664 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,520 And it's hard to do on your own because it doesn't work, 665 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,760 unless the uptick is there on the guitar. 666 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:21,560 You know, it's very much his personality, and then there's a great unconventionality 667 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,600 to how, where he places the beats. You can hear the world, the global influence. 668 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,200 You can hear the areas that he grew up in 669 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,080 in the way he plays, the way he offsets the beat, 670 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,360 the way he accents things, the way he doesn't always have 671 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,360 to rely on playing two and four again. 672 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,600 And I think, again, it's inspired by the melody 673 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,640 and the bass and guitar lines. 674 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:48,080 And he's… You can tell he's equal with the variations 675 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,520 that the other guys in the band play. 676 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,960 And he was always just turning the beat around, 677 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,360 and putting stuff on upbeats and doing… 678 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,560 And constantly surprising you throughout a pop song. 679 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,400 Throwing fireworks. 680 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,680 That's really what he was doing, you know? 681 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,520 You hear 'em 682 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,080 and you see 'em go out, but they don't blow exactly 683 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,160 when you think they're gonna, you know? 684 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,880 And then they blow. And then another one blows 685 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,600 a little later and then a third one. 686 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,760 He's very…unpredictable. 687 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,240 And that's really hard 688 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,720 as a drummer, because people feel comfortable when they can predict 689 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,360 what's happening with the drum part, and it's repetitive. 690 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,280 And I guess that's the magic of him, is Stewart Copeland 691 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,080 would make you feel comfortable in the most uncomfortable drum part. 692 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,320 ♪ Roxanne! ♪ 693 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,200 ♪ Yeah, Roxanne! Roxanne! ♪ 694 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,880 Let's talk about events. 695 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,440 Keith Moon has many events in his playing, 696 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,040 and he takes cues from the music, from the lyrics, from the topic. 697 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,080 The subject matter. 698 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,000 And so he is this orchestral drummer with great chops, 699 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,840 and he picks and chooses these events to happen. 700 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,640 And people, when they hear Moon, 701 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,320 they think maybe it's just chaos and he's all over the place. 702 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,400 And if you'd listen to this track, he's got different themes, different ideas. 703 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,640 And he uses them and takes the song to another level. 704 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,640 Dynamics, peaks and valleys, the beginning. 705 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:47,600 ♪ Who are you? Who, who, who, who? ♪ 706 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,320 ♪ Who are you? ♪ 707 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,160 The hi-hat intro, where he's working with the vocals. 708 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,400 He's having a good time and disco was big back then. 709 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,760 I think he was nodding his hat to disco. 710 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,360 And then to see that he took this hi-hat part and made it special. 711 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,040 As the song grows into the first verse, he reacts off the lyrics. 712 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,920 ♪ I woke up in a Soho doorway ♪ 713 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,760 ♪ A policeman knew my name ♪ 714 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,760 ♪ He said, "You can go Sleep at home tonight ♪ 715 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,560 ♪ If you can get up and walk away" ♪ 716 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,320 Say, "Yes, I'm with you." 717 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,200 "I'm exactly connected to the lyrics 718 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,040 and the music, and the subtleties of the story." 719 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,120 And I think that's the brilliance of Keith Moon is his storytelling. 720 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,520 ♪ Who are you? ♪ 721 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,320 ♪ Who, who, who, who? ♪ 722 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,960 ♪ Who are you? ♪ 723 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,320 ♪ Who, who, who, who? ♪ 724 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,600 Always unpredictable. 725 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,080 Even when I play to the song, I remember, 726 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,560 "Oh, he starts the fill on the one, not one and." And it always reminds me 727 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,080 of how different he is and how he thinks. 728 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,080 So I love the challenge of the song 729 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,800 because of these great themes, we have the hi-hat intro, 730 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,800 the pocket verse with the big fills, 731 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,520 the choruses, which go from hat to ride, but very reactive. 732 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000 Then, of course, the big… 733 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,720 I call it the timpani part, but it's mallets on toms, 734 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,280 which he brings that orchestral event like I was talking about. 735 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,400 I love going to see a symphony. And I think Keith 736 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,760 would watch and listen to that and bring it all into his playing. 737 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,160 And he would take these moments and bring them to life. 738 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,960 ♪ Who are you? Who, who, who, who? ♪ 739 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,960 ♪ Who are you? Who, who, who, who? ♪ 740 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,280 ♪ Who are you? ♪ 741 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,960 And I think the energy that Keith brings to it 742 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,680 and the sense of humour… that's so English. 743 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,040 ♪ I really want to know ♪ 744 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,720 ♪ Who are you? Who, who, who, who? ♪ 745 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,640 ♪ I really want to know ♪ 746 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,600 ♪ Who are you? Who, who, who, who? ♪ 747 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,280 ♪ Who are you? Who, who… ♪ 748 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,800 I have such respect for Keith Moon, 749 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,400 but it was just… It was so crazy and, like, out of control. 750 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,040 Go right ahead, Keith, make a scene again. 751 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,200 You know, a lot of you young rock 'n' roll musicians 752 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,760 are going to be big stars someday. 753 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,000 Just like Keith here. 754 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,720 We know what it's like to be on tour, 755 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,920 going from town to town, ending up in some crummy hotel like this one. 756 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,560 Let's face it. When you get to your room, the first thing you want to do 757 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,520 is destroy it. 758 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,640 ♪ Who are you? ♪ 759 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,920 Moonie was often very dangerous. 760 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,840 He wouldn't just send the television out of the window, 761 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,120 he would make sure it was working all the way down. 762 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,920 So he would get coax for the aerial, and he'd get an extension lead 763 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,160 so it was working, and he'd chuck it out. 764 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,520 Right out the window, Keith. 765 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,280 If you didn't laugh immediately, he wouldn't stop. 766 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,160 He'd just keep going until you laughed. 767 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:04,760 It could take hours. 768 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,440 He was a fantastic drummer. 769 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,720 No other drummers played like Keith Moon. 770 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,480 It was all about him. 771 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,600 I loved his personality. It was just wild and he just stood out. 772 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,640 I got to meet him a couple times and he was a sweetheart. 773 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,480 But you could look into his eyes and say, 774 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,800 "This man will never get to be 40 years old." 775 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,520 Somebody should have taken Moonie aside and said, 776 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,840 "You know, you're gonna kill yourself." 777 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,280 And he would have said, "Yeah." And that would have been probably 778 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,960 the end of that particular conversation. 779 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,480 You can't party 30 hours a day, 28 days a week. 780 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,280 ♪ Sweet dreams are made of this ♪ 781 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,280 ♪ Who am I do disagree? ♪ 782 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,120 ♪ I travel the world and the seven seas ♪ 783 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,320 ♪ Everybody is looking for something ♪ 784 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,960 When you're playing with synthesizers, 785 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,720 they are basically electronic signals. 786 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,960 So now instead of having a really organic thing, 787 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,600 which would be a drum and a snare and a skin moving, 788 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,440 instead of having that, you've now got something 789 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,320 {\an8}that's as punchy as a synth, and that is the other 790 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,680 {\an8}big thing about a drum machine, it's a really punchy sound. 791 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,640 The LinnDrum was a drum machine that became a classic, first of all, 792 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,600 because it sounded a bit like a drummer. 793 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:56,760 It was a computer 794 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,880 with the ideal drum sound stored, and it was ready to go. 795 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:01,800 You just hit play and record, and boom, you were off. 796 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,960 And it always come back as you put it in. 797 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,240 So it's a big change. 798 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,360 Well, this is the LinnDrum known as the Linn 2. 799 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,600 You can put it in record. 800 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,520 See this clip going round, when it gets to the beginning hi-hat… 801 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,960 Then you can put the kick and snare. 802 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:27,840 Turn the click down. 803 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,800 So, great stories of the Human League replacing all their drums on Dare 804 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,000 once the LinnDrum came along. It suddenly gave this album this sound 805 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,360 like no one else. 806 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,960 ♪ You were working as a waitress In a cocktail bar ♪ 807 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,760 ♪ When I met you ♪ 808 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,880 In the '80s, when the electric drum sound 809 00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,240 became so important in the music, there was a sense that the drummer 810 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:05,480 and the opinion of the drummer and all the backstory of the drummer 811 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,400 wasn't needed any more, and was like putting on a drum machine on an organ. 812 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,360 {\an8}And you can write a song to that, but there's no reaction. 813 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,920 {\an8}♪ Don't, don't you want me? ♪ 814 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,600 {\an8}♪ You know I can't believe it When I hear that you won't see me ♪ 815 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,760 {\an8}There was a sense of what's next for a drum set player? 816 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,400 And as a young man, I loved hearing those sounds, 817 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,320 but I wanted a real drummer in my life and still have those sounds. 818 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,360 ♪ You'd better change it back Or we will both be sorry ♪ 819 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,560 ♪ Don't you want me, baby? ♪ 820 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,400 The impact of the drum machine has affected music in a lot of ways. 821 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,200 It became very regimented, you know. 822 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,640 And the human element of the feel was taken out, you know, 823 00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:02,160 and I like the human element, because I'm a human being. 824 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,720 {\an8}I look back at the '80s and think about MTV. 825 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,080 And what you saw on TV was what you wanted to replicate. 826 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,880 "Oh, this looks cool." 827 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,800 And the drummer's got a big drum set, and there was a spectacle, 828 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,360 the camera and the playfulness the drummer gets with the camera and the attitude. 829 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,680 And nothing's better than watching a drummer move. 830 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,120 And so people get a chance to kinda tune in to what drummers can do, 831 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,160 what's possible. 832 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,800 I remember seeing it on MTV, huh, and I remember throwing all the cushions 833 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:09,200 off my sofa, and jumping around and doing roly polys on them, 834 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:14,280 and just had… It was fun again, it was just crazy. 835 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,920 You know, even that video and watching all the kids 836 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,640 moshing and crowd surfing, and that's what I wanted to do. 837 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,280 ♪ With the lights out It's less dangerous ♪ 838 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,000 ♪ Here we are now, entertain us ♪ 839 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,560 ♪ I feel stupid and contagious ♪ 840 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,320 ♪ Here we are now, entertain us ♪ 841 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,920 Dave Grohl, the way you never saw his face. 842 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,080 And he was just so in the music. 843 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:51,680 And so just going for it that he had no idea what was going on around him. 844 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,320 He was in his own world. 845 00:59:53,440 --> 01:00:00,160 ♪ A denial, a denial, a denial, a denial ♪ 846 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,240 And it's such a force of music coming at you. 847 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,800 You just enjoy it. 848 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,680 And as a kid growing up, listening to that just made me excited. 849 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,640 I think I'm leaning towards… 850 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,800 -probably this kit. -The gold sparkle? 851 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,200 -The gold sparkle. -Okay, 22 or 24? 852 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,440 I think 24 would be cool, 853 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,360 'cause I like the way it looks and I definitely know you could make it sound… 854 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,360 really good. 855 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,680 -Pretty classy looking set. -Yeah. 856 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,840 First of all, I want to make sure 857 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,000 that they're happy with the kick drum sound. 858 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,640 I want to make sure they're happy with the snare drum that we have. 859 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,040 And we'll change snare drums as many times as we need to 860 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,960 to get it right. 861 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,520 The snare drum is the main voice of the drum set. 862 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,400 And everybody has different ways of describing it. 863 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,600 I want it to be more of a thump, or a thud or, you know, more crack. 864 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,160 So that's always a lot of fun for me. 865 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,800 Get these drums sounding big for her. 866 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,280 But then the toms need to have the character 867 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,080 that's complimentary to the kick and the snare. 868 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,760 A lot of times I get someone asking for a retro sound, they want a '60s sound. 869 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:03,080 And I'll bring 'em a '60s drum set as well as '60s cymbals to go with it. 870 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,120 It gives me a chance to really kind of, 871 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,800 you know, do my art, and that's a big part of it for me. 872 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,920 She ought to like that. Good place to start. 873 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,440 I'll put the final tuning on 'em once we get into the studio. 874 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,560 I auditioned for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. 875 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,880 I knew who they were, you know, "Oh, the guys with socks on their dicks," 876 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,680 but I wasn't that familiar with their music. 877 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,120 ♪ If you're sick-a-sick and tired Of being sick and tired ♪ 878 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,960 So at the time, the guys were, like, very much 879 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,240 what kind of funny haircut did you have, 880 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,000 and what kind of tattoos do you have, the aesthetic, and what you look like. 881 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:00,680 And I'd come from Detroit. 882 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,480 I had long hair, bandanna, cutoff shirt, and they looked at me, 883 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,440 "Oh, God, get this guy out of here." 884 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:12,560 So for me, it was really like, "I'm gonna kick these guys' asses. 885 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,000 I'm gonna, like… And then go to, like, double time 886 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,760 and see if they can, like, go there to the next level." 887 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,760 And later they talked about it, like, 888 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,480 "You were the first guy that really took over on the audition. 889 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:23,680 Everyone kind of just played along." 890 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,240 It's an intangible thing, that chemistry. 891 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,200 And I've been fortunate to be in groups 892 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,680 that have had it, and certainly Red Hot Chili Peppers do. 893 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,440 So you get together, and you jam. 894 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,440 Key of A, key of G, whatever. 895 01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,400 Somebody starts it. You all just jam. 896 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,560 Right? When I sat in that room and played and jammed with the band, 897 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,520 there was a magic. There… 898 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,560 I knew that I was where I should be. 899 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,840 And it took me almost ten years of my professional career 900 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,520 to find the same like-minded four other guys that were there 901 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,840 for the same reasons, to make that great music that we all made in that room. 902 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,240 ♪ Run to the hills ♪ 903 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,200 ♪ Run for your lives ♪ 904 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,120 ♪ Run to the hills ♪ 905 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,360 ♪ Run for your lives ♪ 906 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,280 {\an8}When I was 22, I auditioned for the band Hole, 907 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:59,640 {\an8}and I was one of 22, 23 drummers, and I got the gig that day. 908 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,720 I always say, you know, you say it and it happens, 909 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,000 like, you just put it out there. 910 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,080 So a couple of months later, Hole is on hiatus, 911 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,480 and I get a phone call one morning at 7:00 a.m. 912 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,160 "Nikki Sixx is looking for your phone number," 913 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,040 and I seriously thought I was sleeping. 914 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,880 I thought I was dreaming and I was like, "What?" 915 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,200 She's like, "Their drummer's ill." 916 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,680 And so Nikki called me and asked if I would be 917 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,440 interested in playing Mötley Crüe. 918 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,760 And I was like, "Are you serious? 919 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,240 If you're serious, I'll fly out right now." 920 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,040 So I was on a plane that day. 921 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:41,200 I had notation paper and I was listening to all the songs notating them. 922 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,560 And I was like, "I don't even need this. I know every song by heart." 923 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,280 Now, I don't know if you've noticed tonight, 924 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,920 but we got a girl playing drums tonight. 925 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,520 I thought it was going to be a few days, 926 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,720 and it wound up being six months 927 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:05,320 that I was working with the band and, you know, it was the dream of my life. 928 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,880 My, you know, 12-year-old self 929 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,960 was watching them on MTV, and now I'm playing in the band. 930 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,080 Unfortunately, I didn't have the drum cage. 931 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,640 No, but I did have some rock 'n' roll stories from that time. 932 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,000 There are people, like, "Are you kidding me?" 933 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,880 "I'm not going to this concert." 934 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,960 "Hell, no. A girl drummer, Mötley Crüe, what?" 935 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,880 And then by the end of the concert, they would see the same people, 936 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,760 and they would be like, "She blew my mind!" 937 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,360 "Oh, my God." 938 01:06:54,440 --> 01:07:00,280 So, watching the fans' reaction, of them just wanting to hate me so bad, 939 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,760 and by the end of the night, I won the entire crowd over. 940 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,880 - Hell, yeah, Sam, you rock. - Thank you so much. 941 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,600 -Thank you. -Thank you. 942 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,640 This is what it's about. 943 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,960 Future drummers of America, right here. 944 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,120 ♪ I got another confession to make ♪ 945 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,160 You get a bunch of drunken idiots, 946 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,760 there's going to be someone making a stupid comment. 947 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,160 "You're a girl, what are you doing playing drums? You're a little girl." 948 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,080 I would be kicked out of my own dressing room 949 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,680 because, you know, the security guard thought that I was just a random fan 950 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,520 that was backstage trying to hang out with the band, 951 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,400 or, you know, I wasn't allowed into the venue. 952 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,760 In sound check, always was the feeling of the other bands, 953 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,160 who were generally sort of like, older blokes, 954 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,520 looking at me like, "What is this joke?" 955 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:56,120 Until I got on stage and then I would literally see their mouths drop. 956 01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,200 {\an8}And I was like… "I love that feeling 'cause I don't need to say anything." 957 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,280 {\an8}You know, all I need to do is let my playing do the talking. 958 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,680 {\an8}♪ I needed somewhere to hang my head ♪ 959 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,480 {\an8}♪ Without your noose ♪ 960 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,360 {\an8}♪ You gave me something that I didn't have ♪ 961 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,320 {\an8}It was, and it is great to have a sense of who you are, 962 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,600 {\an8}because when you know who you are and you're solid in that, 963 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,760 {\an8}nobody can tip you, you know, they can't push you over. 964 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,160 ♪ …under arrest again But I'll break loose ♪ 965 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,360 The sound engineer at the venue 966 01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:36,200 came up on stage while I was setting up my drums, 967 01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,840 and he said, "Give me your sticks, I'll sound check for you." 968 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,240 "But don't worry, I'll hit them like a girl." 969 01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,560 {\an8}And, again, was laughing and stuff. 970 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,040 {\an8}So I was like, "I'm just going to laugh with you. That's fine." 971 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,800 {\an8}And when I got on stage later that night and played, 972 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,800 I broke, I think, three or four drumsticks 'cause I was so mad. 973 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,280 I was like, "Oh, you want to see me hit like a girl? 974 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,040 I'll show you. I'll show you how." 975 01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:01,520 ♪ Is someone getting the best The best, the best, the best of you? ♪ 976 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:08,560 ♪ Is someone getting the best The best, the best, the best of you? ♪ 977 01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:14,000 Like, guys pick up a guitar to get laid, 978 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,880 but girls play drums because they want to. 979 01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,320 You don't pick up the drums because, like, you think 980 01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,320 you're going to be a star, you pick it up because you fucking love it. 981 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:58,200 You know what? I think that drummers are more down-to-earth. 982 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:03,120 I think that they're more primitive, just where they come from. 983 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,520 They come from rhythm, they're all about rhythm. 984 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:14,840 And I find that the drumming community is a very warm and inclusive group. 985 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,320 They really are a good bunch. 986 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,920 - This is Jess. - Hi. How are you? 987 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,360 -Nice to meet you. How are you? -Nice to meet you as well. 988 01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:27,600 -I'm okay, I'm a little nervous, but… -Nervous? 989 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,800 And I look forward to just trying to continue to be better 990 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,640 and a better bandmate, a better musician, 991 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,880 a better songwriter, uh, and just play as well as I can all the time. 992 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,400 And I fucking love it and it's fun. 993 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,920 Playing the drums is fun. 994 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,160 And I can play my drums all day, all night and I love it. 995 01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:20,920 You know, I don't know if that's a fault… I'm not really sure. 996 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,920 I've gotten into a little bit of trouble with that, 997 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,240 you know, over the years. 998 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,760 I'm from North London. 999 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,000 I didn't grow up with anything, really, 1000 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,840 apart from just this mad sort of, like, obsession and love. 1001 01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,120 The best thing about being a drummer 1002 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,000 is I saw the world doing the job I love. 1003 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,280 You can't get better than that. 1004 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:43,560 It's the best feeling in the world. 1005 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,440 I'm controlling the way this crowd is moving, it's just me 1006 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,600 and 80,000 people in the stadium. 1007 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,880 And this is the coolest fucking time of my life. 1008 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,200 If the guitar plug goes out during a Rage show, 1009 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:01,240 it would be a bummer, but if the kick drum pedal breaks, 1010 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:02,240 that's a problem. 1011 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,520 You have 100,000 people, like, "Now what?" You know? 1012 01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,400 I don't know what my life would be without drums. 1013 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,600 Everything that has come along with me playing drums 1014 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,880 has been so rewarding, I would never trade any of it. 1015 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,800 You feel like you're connecting with people, you don't know them, 1016 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:37,120 and you feel like you can raise the level of happiness. 1017 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,840 That's my thrill, is to inspire more people to be creative. 1018 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,560 Just play music because you love it. And dream big. 1019 01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,000 And if it happens, fucking A, man. 1020 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,480 Dreams do come true. 1021 01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,000 ♪ Ah, the irresistible force ♪ 1022 01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,280 ♪ Met the immovable object ♪ 1023 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,680 ♪ Oh ♪ 1024 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,360 ♪ Ah, the irresistible force ♪ 1025 01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:31,120 ♪ Met the immovable object ♪ 1026 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,320 ♪ Banging and banging And banging and banging ♪ 1027 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,160 {\an8}♪ And banging together ♪ 1028 01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,800 ♪ Ah, the irresistible force ♪ 1029 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,880 ♪ Met the immovable object ♪ 1030 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,560 ♪ Oh ♪ 1031 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,080 ♪ Ah, some may call me a lucky shot ♪ 1032 01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,440 ♪ No, no, no, but it was not ♪ 1033 01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,960 ♪ Banging and banging And banging and banging ♪ 1034 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,000 ♪ And banging Banging and banging ♪ 1035 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,840 ♪ And banging and banging And banging together ♪ 1036 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,600 I hope that that's how I go out, man, just, you know… 1037 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,440 Wait, I'm not dead yet! Wait! I'm coming back to life! 90563

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