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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:42,877 --> 00:00:46,464 Lifeguard: Okay, um... one thing that we need to keep in mind, 2 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:48,383 let's say we get a ping on the shark buoy. 3 00:00:48,466 --> 00:00:50,885 If you use the phone to let somebody know, 4 00:00:50,927 --> 00:00:53,888 you still need to, like, let the other beaches know. 5 00:00:53,971 --> 00:00:56,557 The other thing is, is that 6 00:00:56,641 --> 00:01:01,187 if you close your beach because you visually see a shark, 7 00:01:01,229 --> 00:01:04,106 you need to let your parking lot person know. 8 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:05,858 If it's not a confirmed sighting, 9 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,402 you're closing the beach, 10 00:01:07,443 --> 00:01:11,572 you know, it's... it's-it, it's on you. 11 00:01:13,241 --> 00:01:14,575 Any questions? 12 00:01:15,410 --> 00:01:16,451 Okay. 13 00:01:16,536 --> 00:01:17,870 Person: Have a great day. 14 00:01:23,668 --> 00:01:29,340 Definitely now it's a lot more stressful and less carefree. 15 00:01:29,424 --> 00:01:32,176 We still have all the hazards that we dealt with before, 16 00:01:32,260 --> 00:01:34,469 like rip currents and all of those things. 17 00:01:34,554 --> 00:01:36,931 And then on top of that, we have this 18 00:01:37,014 --> 00:01:40,143 additional hazard called white sharks. 19 00:01:42,270 --> 00:01:44,564 - How are you? - Person: It's very hot. 20 00:01:44,605 --> 00:01:46,441 Suzy Blake: It's good to see you. I know. 21 00:01:46,482 --> 00:01:48,151 I'm glad you're back this summer. 22 00:01:48,234 --> 00:01:49,777 Person: Me too. 23 00:01:53,573 --> 00:01:54,967 Police Officer: Thanks for coming out to 24 00:01:54,991 --> 00:01:56,051 Cape Cod National Seashore. 25 00:01:56,075 --> 00:01:58,578 It's a wild marine environment, 26 00:01:58,619 --> 00:02:02,582 with sharks returning as the top predators. 27 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:08,004 Sharks are here. They're a dangerous animal. 28 00:02:08,754 --> 00:02:12,633 Recreation has been established in their absence. 29 00:02:15,136 --> 00:02:17,638 That is what is so unique about Cape Cod 30 00:02:17,722 --> 00:02:18,765 relative to other areas 31 00:02:18,806 --> 00:02:20,725 where sharks are present around the world. 32 00:02:23,269 --> 00:02:27,231 Blake: So this is our boat. This was new last year. 33 00:02:27,315 --> 00:02:30,693 We got a lot of new tools and equipment 34 00:02:30,777 --> 00:02:33,362 after the fatality. 35 00:02:37,074 --> 00:02:40,453 If we see people swimming far out, it makes us nervous, 36 00:02:40,495 --> 00:02:42,163 so we will tell them to come in. 37 00:02:42,622 --> 00:02:45,750 That's another new thing that has come about 38 00:02:45,833 --> 00:02:47,502 because of the sharks. 39 00:02:53,341 --> 00:02:55,634 How big do you think they are? 40 00:02:55,676 --> 00:02:57,553 Blake: Well, we get a lot of different ones, 41 00:02:57,637 --> 00:02:59,639 and they'll be anywhere from like eight feet 42 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,683 all the way up to like 14, 15 feet. 43 00:03:07,814 --> 00:03:12,068 It's such an incredible thing that's, um, happening here. 44 00:03:12,151 --> 00:03:14,445 But, you know, I realize that 45 00:03:14,529 --> 00:03:18,783 not everybody... not everybody sees it that way. 46 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:21,327 When you're at a place like Cape Cod where, 47 00:03:21,369 --> 00:03:24,872 let's face it, multiple species love this area for different reasons, 48 00:03:24,956 --> 00:03:29,210 um, and there's overlap here of white sharks and humans. 49 00:03:29,252 --> 00:03:33,214 And it's hard because a lot of people who have lived here for decades, 50 00:03:33,256 --> 00:03:35,925 they didn't have to think about this 51 00:03:36,008 --> 00:03:37,884 until the past 10 years or so. 52 00:03:37,969 --> 00:03:41,305 And so it's been a big... A big shift for them. 53 00:03:42,014 --> 00:03:44,434 - GoPros? - GoPros. 54 00:03:44,517 --> 00:03:47,437 - All the accoutrements. - Check. Yes. 55 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,156 - Hi, folks. - Beachgoer: How are ya? 56 00:03:58,239 --> 00:03:59,824 Good. Good. Have a good time out there? 57 00:03:59,907 --> 00:04:01,385 Beachgoer: Yeah, so let them people know, 58 00:04:01,409 --> 00:04:02,886 as they're coming in there was a shark sighting, 59 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:05,413 so they can't get in the water for at least another 45 minutes. 60 00:04:05,455 --> 00:04:08,207 Oh, yeah. You... I told... I forgot to tell them, yeah. 61 00:04:08,249 --> 00:04:09,751 Hi. Good. How are you? 62 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:11,085 - I'm good. - Good. 63 00:04:11,169 --> 00:04:13,004 How you been? Staying out of trouble? 64 00:04:13,087 --> 00:04:15,048 Oh, come on. That's no fun. 65 00:04:15,089 --> 00:04:16,591 Yeah. 66 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:18,425 Bye-bye. 67 00:04:21,763 --> 00:04:24,766 Guide : And the spring line is clear. 68 00:04:24,849 --> 00:04:26,517 No turning back now. 69 00:04:26,601 --> 00:04:28,394 You're on for the whale watch. 70 00:04:31,314 --> 00:04:32,940 Guide: Now, what are we gonna see? 71 00:04:33,024 --> 00:04:36,194 Uh, fin whale, humpback whale, minke whale. 72 00:04:36,277 --> 00:04:40,364 Uh, we do occasionally see great white sharks out here. 73 00:04:40,448 --> 00:04:43,451 But you won't see a shark unless it's feeding. 74 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:46,204 And if it is, it's very colorful. 75 00:05:35,712 --> 00:05:38,798 Paul Tasha: Remember that year when you were seeing an average of like... 76 00:05:39,173 --> 00:05:41,300 four or five sharks every day? 77 00:05:41,342 --> 00:05:44,804 Tom Smith: Oh, yeah. I didn't even wanna tell you how many I saw that day. 78 00:05:44,846 --> 00:05:46,931 One came up next to the boat in shallow water. 79 00:05:47,014 --> 00:05:47,783 We were hauling back. 80 00:05:47,807 --> 00:05:49,517 It literally took my breath away. 81 00:05:49,559 --> 00:05:51,601 It was... honest to God, I'm not exaggerating. 82 00:05:51,686 --> 00:05:52,687 It was like "Jaws." 83 00:05:52,770 --> 00:05:54,081 Tasha: I'll tell you why I believe you. 84 00:05:54,105 --> 00:05:57,525 The only one I got a really good look at underwater 85 00:05:57,608 --> 00:05:59,235 was that kind of big. 86 00:05:59,569 --> 00:06:02,321 And I'm looking at it, and, you know, it just had 87 00:06:02,363 --> 00:06:06,117 that slow, massive look to it, 88 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,120 like, I mean, do fucking great whites even get that big? 89 00:06:09,203 --> 00:06:11,914 It, it had to be like, this big a... I'm not shitting you. 90 00:06:11,998 --> 00:06:13,750 It was like this fucking big around. 91 00:06:13,833 --> 00:06:16,544 The only two I've seen was when it was really good visibility, 92 00:06:16,627 --> 00:06:20,506 which leads me to wonder how many I didn't see when it was shitty and murky. 93 00:06:25,970 --> 00:06:28,181 Alec Wilkinson: There was a time some years ago 94 00:06:28,264 --> 00:06:29,891 that I was writing about scientists 95 00:06:29,932 --> 00:06:32,643 who were working with the sharks in Cape Cod. 96 00:06:34,145 --> 00:06:36,564 They arrived with all the fanfare of saying, 97 00:06:36,647 --> 00:06:38,125 oh, they'll be tagging all these sharks, 98 00:06:38,149 --> 00:06:39,484 catching all these sharks. 99 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:41,903 Well, they caught two the entire expedition. 100 00:06:41,986 --> 00:06:45,615 And I went out there, you know, on my first day, 101 00:06:45,698 --> 00:06:47,578 went thinking I'd see a shark, and that'd be it, 102 00:06:47,617 --> 00:06:48,977 and I'd go home and write my piece. 103 00:06:49,035 --> 00:06:51,120 Well, I had to keep going back for 11 days. 104 00:06:52,580 --> 00:06:56,042 The sharks weren't abundant then. 105 00:06:56,084 --> 00:06:59,087 They would be quite some distance from shore. 106 00:06:59,128 --> 00:07:00,546 Every once in a while, 107 00:07:00,588 --> 00:07:03,049 they'd be found near shore, maybe near Chatham, 108 00:07:03,091 --> 00:07:05,009 but they were, were not near the beaches. 109 00:07:07,845 --> 00:07:10,556 Beachgoer: Okay. We're in Truro at Ballston Beach, 110 00:07:10,598 --> 00:07:13,976 where someone's been... I don't know what. 111 00:07:14,060 --> 00:07:16,437 Do we know what happened here, anyone? 112 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:19,607 Bitten by something or...? 113 00:07:19,690 --> 00:07:22,485 Reporter: Chris Myers was in the water with his son 114 00:07:22,568 --> 00:07:25,071 when a great white sunk his teeth into his leg. 115 00:07:25,113 --> 00:07:27,615 He managed to get free and was taken to the hospital 116 00:07:27,657 --> 00:07:31,119 with eight deep gouges and some torn tendons. 117 00:07:38,209 --> 00:07:40,670 Wilkinson: It seemed like more and more sharks 118 00:07:40,753 --> 00:07:42,964 were arriving each year, and suddenly, 119 00:07:43,005 --> 00:07:45,133 you're really getting them near the beaches. 120 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,470 In August of 2018, 121 00:07:49,512 --> 00:07:52,640 we were on the beach one afternoon about to go in the water 122 00:07:52,724 --> 00:07:55,435 when we heard what sounded like shouting, 123 00:07:55,476 --> 00:07:57,437 maybe a hundred yards down the beach. 124 00:07:57,478 --> 00:08:00,148 Dispatcher : Call at Longnook Beach for a subject 125 00:08:00,189 --> 00:08:03,609 possibly bitten by a shark in the thigh. 126 00:08:03,693 --> 00:08:07,196 Jeff Souza: We got a call for a possible shark bite 127 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,322 at Longnook Beach. 128 00:08:08,364 --> 00:08:10,742 I said, "Oh, there's no way this is a shark bite, 129 00:08:10,825 --> 00:08:13,286 because it's very rare around here." 130 00:08:13,327 --> 00:08:15,580 But once I saw it, 131 00:08:15,663 --> 00:08:19,667 I knew that it was not just something small. 132 00:08:19,709 --> 00:08:23,171 This was like something completely different. 133 00:08:23,212 --> 00:08:26,632 He was bleeding considerably. He had been bitten on the leg. 134 00:08:26,674 --> 00:08:28,676 Reporter: Sixty-two-year-old William Lytton 135 00:08:28,718 --> 00:08:31,095 attacked in waist-deep water off Truro Beach. 136 00:08:31,179 --> 00:08:32,804 Reporter 2: He escaped by punching 137 00:08:32,847 --> 00:08:34,015 the shark in the gills, 138 00:08:34,097 --> 00:08:37,268 something he had seen on a nature show. 139 00:08:39,604 --> 00:08:40,980 Wilkinson: But not until 140 00:08:41,022 --> 00:08:43,858 the poor boy was killed in Wellfleet, 141 00:08:43,941 --> 00:08:47,111 did it really seem like, "Okay, now they're here." 142 00:08:55,119 --> 00:08:59,082 Dana Franchitto: It was such a joyous summer day. 143 00:08:59,165 --> 00:09:00,208 Late summer day. 144 00:09:00,249 --> 00:09:01,584 Everybody's having fun, 145 00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:03,586 whether you're surfing, boogie boarding, 146 00:09:03,669 --> 00:09:05,880 swimming, beachcombing. 147 00:09:07,382 --> 00:09:09,735 Drew Taylor: As good as a day you could ask for on the Cape. 148 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,888 And, like, families were on the beach and there were surf breaks all over. 149 00:09:13,930 --> 00:09:16,391 And then Arthur was down here with his, 150 00:09:16,432 --> 00:09:18,726 you know, good friend, uh, Isaac. 151 00:09:19,394 --> 00:09:22,063 Reporter: Twenty-six-year-old Arthur Medici, 152 00:09:22,146 --> 00:09:25,400 on his boogie board with his friend, Isaac Rocha... 153 00:09:33,282 --> 00:09:36,661 Mitzi Riley: About 9:30, I was by myself. 154 00:09:36,744 --> 00:09:39,747 I walked way down the beach, same as always. 155 00:09:39,789 --> 00:09:44,669 And there was two people in the water already with their boogie boards, 156 00:09:44,752 --> 00:09:47,422 putting on an incredible show, 157 00:09:47,463 --> 00:09:50,925 and I was their little personal cheerleader up on the hill. 158 00:09:56,139 --> 00:09:58,933 I heard a tone. 159 00:09:58,975 --> 00:10:03,229 And as I stood, I saw the blood. 160 00:10:03,980 --> 00:10:06,023 Isaac was screaming at the top of his lungs 161 00:10:06,107 --> 00:10:08,901 to help him, help him, help him. 162 00:10:08,943 --> 00:10:10,945 Now, I'm looking down that hill and I says, 163 00:10:10,987 --> 00:10:14,407 "Just what the fuck are you going to do?" 164 00:10:18,536 --> 00:10:19,954 I went in. 165 00:10:20,037 --> 00:10:22,331 A wave came up over Arthur's face 166 00:10:22,415 --> 00:10:26,002 and I got underneath and pulled him up on top of me, 167 00:10:26,085 --> 00:10:28,379 because we couldn't move him any further. 168 00:10:30,798 --> 00:10:32,300 I did look down at one point, 169 00:10:32,341 --> 00:10:36,304 and saw that his legs were kind of laced open, 170 00:10:36,345 --> 00:10:37,346 but no blood. 171 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:39,974 There was no blood around us. 172 00:10:40,058 --> 00:10:42,977 All the blood was... long gone. 173 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:50,318 I, uh... told both boys how much I loved them 174 00:10:50,401 --> 00:10:53,654 and I kissed them both and hollered for God, 175 00:10:53,738 --> 00:10:57,158 and cried and waited for help to come. 176 00:10:59,452 --> 00:11:02,371 I had no clue what the hell had just happened. 177 00:11:07,668 --> 00:11:09,730 Beachgoer : I'm at, uh, Newcomb Hollow Beach 178 00:11:09,754 --> 00:11:11,005 in Wellfleet, Massachusetts. 179 00:11:11,089 --> 00:11:12,769 I've just seen a surfer get bit by a shark. 180 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:14,300 It's about 300 yards down the beach. 181 00:11:14,342 --> 00:11:16,028 - I saw the whole thing happen. - Dispatcher: Okay. Okay, sir... 182 00:11:16,052 --> 00:11:17,529 Beachgoer: But It was a hell of a hit, man. 183 00:11:17,553 --> 00:11:18,655 I saw the whole thing happen. 184 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:19,948 It looks like they're carrying him 185 00:11:19,972 --> 00:11:21,474 off the beach right now. 186 00:11:21,557 --> 00:11:22,892 Reporter: At this time, 187 00:11:22,975 --> 00:11:25,978 I have a report of an unknown shark bite. 188 00:11:26,020 --> 00:11:28,356 Riley: The lifeguards were trying to work on him. 189 00:11:28,398 --> 00:11:32,276 We have an unconscious male. Severe leg injuries. 190 00:11:33,694 --> 00:11:36,489 Riley: There was no helping this poor boy. 191 00:11:43,663 --> 00:11:45,206 That morning I got the call. 192 00:11:45,289 --> 00:11:47,667 We're inbound from a closed area way to the east, 193 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:50,044 70 miles to the east of P-Town. 194 00:11:50,086 --> 00:11:52,088 And as soon as I got service, my daughter called. 195 00:11:52,171 --> 00:11:54,757 She's like, "I think my friend got killed by a shark." 196 00:11:56,884 --> 00:11:58,970 Franchitto: After he was taken away, 197 00:11:59,053 --> 00:12:00,888 it was such a stunned silence. 198 00:12:00,930 --> 00:12:02,181 We just didn't know. 199 00:12:02,223 --> 00:12:05,727 We're kind of looking at each other like, "Wow. 200 00:12:05,810 --> 00:12:07,687 Did we just get punched in the face?" 201 00:12:07,729 --> 00:12:10,398 That's what it kind of felt like, you know? 202 00:12:30,752 --> 00:12:34,005 That is just... It's such a haunting story. 203 00:12:34,088 --> 00:12:37,216 I feel so for his family and... 204 00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:41,846 Violence can intersect any moment practically, 205 00:12:41,929 --> 00:12:43,514 it seems like, 206 00:12:43,598 --> 00:12:45,391 but one wouldn't have thought 207 00:12:45,433 --> 00:12:48,811 of a sunny afternoon off the coast of New England 208 00:12:48,895 --> 00:12:51,939 that a shadow was waiting. 209 00:12:55,902 --> 00:13:00,239 Reporter: It's the first fatal shark attack Cape Cod has seen in more than 80 years. 210 00:13:00,281 --> 00:13:03,618 Reporter 2: Officials ordered Newcomb Hollow Beach closed until further notice. 211 00:13:03,701 --> 00:13:06,662 After a summer full of shark sightings on Cape Cod 212 00:13:06,746 --> 00:13:08,664 and one previous nonfatal attack, 213 00:13:08,748 --> 00:13:12,460 it's getting harder and harder to downplay the danger. 214 00:13:13,503 --> 00:13:16,297 That was a turning point. 215 00:13:16,339 --> 00:13:18,758 Town Official:: Okay. So thank you. 216 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,304 It's now 6 p.m., September 27th, 2018, 217 00:13:23,346 --> 00:13:26,474 and this is a meeting on sharks. 218 00:13:26,557 --> 00:13:31,771 I wanna first start off saying that our town is very distraught 219 00:13:31,813 --> 00:13:35,358 and sad about the loss of Arthur Medici. 220 00:13:35,441 --> 00:13:37,902 It has affected all of us deeply. 221 00:13:37,985 --> 00:13:40,822 Tonight, we are here to discuss what happened. 222 00:13:40,863 --> 00:13:42,740 We have representatives, 223 00:13:42,824 --> 00:13:45,284 experts that will answer questions 224 00:13:45,326 --> 00:13:48,746 and give a brief description of what may be done 225 00:13:48,788 --> 00:13:51,874 to improve safety on Cape Cod beaches. 226 00:13:51,958 --> 00:13:54,502 Um, so we are getting a pretty good idea 227 00:13:54,544 --> 00:13:56,337 of when sharks are here, 228 00:13:56,379 --> 00:13:58,089 where they are when they're here. 229 00:13:58,172 --> 00:14:00,174 We haven't seen any major changes 230 00:14:00,216 --> 00:14:01,676 in their predatory behavior. 231 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:03,469 We have had a lot of reports 232 00:14:03,511 --> 00:14:05,179 of sightings that people have sent in 233 00:14:05,263 --> 00:14:07,515 that have gotten a lot of attention. 234 00:14:07,557 --> 00:14:09,225 I wanna remind our elected officials 235 00:14:09,308 --> 00:14:12,854 that the death of 26-year-old Arthur Medici 236 00:14:12,895 --> 00:14:15,231 was not his fault, it was ours. 237 00:14:15,314 --> 00:14:18,234 Government officials are sitting behind these tables 238 00:14:18,317 --> 00:14:20,194 telling us, we the people, 239 00:14:20,236 --> 00:14:23,072 we can't do anything in our own environment. 240 00:14:23,156 --> 00:14:25,032 If you were standing there that day, 241 00:14:25,116 --> 00:14:26,659 you'd be fighting for it. 242 00:14:26,701 --> 00:14:28,202 This was a beautiful young man 243 00:14:28,286 --> 00:14:31,539 who lost his life because we've been sitting doing nothing. 244 00:14:34,458 --> 00:14:37,211 On the day that it happened, I think you were working. 245 00:14:37,295 --> 00:14:40,048 - Right. - And it was just me and Mom down the Cape. 246 00:14:40,089 --> 00:14:41,632 And I went to go grab my board, 247 00:14:41,716 --> 00:14:43,569 and she's like, "You're absolutely not going out today." 248 00:14:43,593 --> 00:14:46,888 I was like, "Why not? I just, like, worked a really hard shift. 249 00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:47,990 "Like, I really wanna just go out surfing. 250 00:14:48,014 --> 00:14:49,348 The waves are beautiful." 251 00:14:49,390 --> 00:14:50,951 - And the waves are good, right? - Like, it's a no suit day. 252 00:14:50,975 --> 00:14:52,560 It was a no suit day. 253 00:14:52,643 --> 00:14:54,663 And I was like, "I'm gonna go," and she, like, stalled me 254 00:14:54,687 --> 00:14:57,148 for like 30 minutes and so I was late going to the beach. 255 00:14:57,231 --> 00:15:00,234 Because I told her, "Absolutely under no circumstances 256 00:15:00,276 --> 00:15:02,070 "will you let the girls go out and surf 257 00:15:02,153 --> 00:15:03,255 - without me being there." - Yeah. 258 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,073 That's where your mother put her foot down. 259 00:15:05,156 --> 00:15:07,742 - Yeah. - And I'm glad she did because, you know... 260 00:15:07,784 --> 00:15:10,244 She's the reason I wasn't in the water at the time. 261 00:15:10,286 --> 00:15:12,622 John Kartsounis: Exactly. 262 00:15:12,705 --> 00:15:14,516 Kartsounis: Good evening, uh, everyone. 263 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:17,710 My name is John Kartsounis, Wellfleet resident. 264 00:15:17,794 --> 00:15:19,754 I'm the father of three children, 265 00:15:19,837 --> 00:15:23,091 two of which, uh, have been lifeguards in the past, 266 00:15:23,174 --> 00:15:24,926 one is senior lifeguard. 267 00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:27,929 My daughter was present during 268 00:15:28,012 --> 00:15:32,433 Arthur Medici's, uh, fatal attack. 269 00:15:32,475 --> 00:15:33,518 It was horrific. 270 00:15:33,601 --> 00:15:35,770 She tried to help as best she could. 271 00:15:35,812 --> 00:15:37,939 I've been surfing and swimming 272 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:41,275 in the outer beaches for 35 years. 273 00:15:41,359 --> 00:15:45,279 Um, I won't allow my kids to go in anymore. 274 00:15:45,363 --> 00:15:47,281 We have a problem here, ladies and gentlemen, 275 00:15:47,323 --> 00:15:49,575 and the problem is manmade. 276 00:15:49,617 --> 00:15:52,578 So... excuse me. So thank you. I appreciate it. 277 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:55,998 I mean, there's lots of people here who feel that way about sharks... 278 00:15:56,082 --> 00:15:57,184 Kartsounis: I think public safety 279 00:15:57,208 --> 00:15:58,793 is an important issue. 280 00:15:58,876 --> 00:16:00,229 - Yes. - That's the role of government. 281 00:16:00,253 --> 00:16:02,422 Number-one role of government is public safety. 282 00:16:02,463 --> 00:16:05,299 Not shark safety. Not shark conservation. 283 00:16:05,341 --> 00:16:09,637 And I understand where some of the advocates on that side are coming from, 284 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:12,890 but not to be at the expense of humans. 285 00:16:12,974 --> 00:16:15,935 And that's the issue here, and we have to address it. 286 00:16:15,977 --> 00:16:19,021 And I hope you all take it very seriously. 287 00:16:19,105 --> 00:16:20,481 Thank you. 288 00:16:32,076 --> 00:16:33,369 What you doing? 289 00:16:33,453 --> 00:16:35,431 Meg Winton: Getting rubber bands to put around my wrist. 290 00:16:35,455 --> 00:16:38,666 - This is how I work. - Oh. You want more? 291 00:16:38,708 --> 00:16:42,545 Winton: I'm gonna get more. Just have them ready to go. 292 00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:54,515 Winton: With the emergence of Cape Cod 293 00:16:54,557 --> 00:16:57,810 as a new seasonal aggregation site for white sharks, 294 00:16:57,852 --> 00:17:01,189 there's a lot of science going on off the coast here. 295 00:17:01,230 --> 00:17:04,901 You hand me that... Meg, Megan? 296 00:17:04,984 --> 00:17:06,819 Thanks. 297 00:17:07,236 --> 00:17:08,713 Winton: All the research we're doing here 298 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:11,324 is really to learn more about these animals, 299 00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:13,284 so that we can prevent the risk 300 00:17:13,367 --> 00:17:16,996 of somebody having a bad interaction with a white shark. 301 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:20,248 You got any more, Wayne? This one's staying deep. 302 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:22,334 Wayne : Yep, uh... 303 00:17:22,377 --> 00:17:25,129 There's one just on the other side of that guy. 304 00:17:25,213 --> 00:17:26,881 It's on his port bow, it's a small one. 305 00:17:26,923 --> 00:17:28,382 Yeah. That sounds good. 306 00:17:28,424 --> 00:17:30,760 Well, we like action. 307 00:17:34,055 --> 00:17:36,849 Winton: The number one question I think we get asked is, 308 00:17:36,933 --> 00:17:38,226 "How many of them are out there?" 309 00:17:38,267 --> 00:17:39,977 And we haven't had an answer. 310 00:17:40,061 --> 00:17:42,605 There's never been an actual number. 311 00:17:42,688 --> 00:17:47,568 So part of our mission is to catalog the white sharks of Cape Cod. 312 00:17:50,405 --> 00:17:52,299 Greg Skomal: We're gonna put out some acoustic tags, 313 00:17:52,323 --> 00:17:54,575 which will be those long-term tags 314 00:17:54,659 --> 00:17:56,702 that will be picked up by a, a receiver array. 315 00:17:56,744 --> 00:17:59,330 Wayne : All right. Slow down. Slow down. 316 00:17:59,414 --> 00:18:00,581 I'm in the glare here. 317 00:18:00,623 --> 00:18:02,417 I should be right there pretty close now. 318 00:18:02,458 --> 00:18:06,129 Just, just stop there, John. Just let them come to you. 319 00:18:06,212 --> 00:18:08,005 Skomal: Yeah, he's down. 320 00:18:10,842 --> 00:18:13,094 Skomal: Are we ready to go? 321 00:18:13,177 --> 00:18:15,096 - Captain: Yes, sir. - Skomal: Okay. 322 00:18:15,138 --> 00:18:18,433 As long as he doesn't spook, we're... 323 00:18:18,474 --> 00:18:19,726 I like the way it's acting. 324 00:18:19,767 --> 00:18:21,811 A little zigzag action. He's down a little bit. 325 00:18:21,894 --> 00:18:24,414 - Winton: Bobbing and weaving. - Skomal: I need him to slow down 326 00:18:24,439 --> 00:18:27,442 'cause I don't wanna knock the tag off the pole. 327 00:18:27,525 --> 00:18:29,944 Captain: The degree of difficulty is high on this one. 328 00:18:29,986 --> 00:18:32,613 Skomal: Yeah. Look at this. It's a... it's a wormy one. 329 00:18:32,697 --> 00:18:35,450 Wayne : Down back if you need help. 330 00:18:35,491 --> 00:18:39,579 Skomal: Down a little. Ah, don't turn. 331 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:41,664 Don't turn. 332 00:18:46,085 --> 00:18:48,212 - Oh! Damn. - Winton: Piece of work. 333 00:18:48,296 --> 00:18:49,213 Skomal: Slow down. 334 00:18:49,297 --> 00:18:50,548 Captain: Out of gear. 335 00:18:50,631 --> 00:18:53,134 Winton: Nine feet of water. 336 00:18:53,176 --> 00:18:55,261 Captain: Down pretty good. 337 00:18:55,303 --> 00:18:57,183 Captain: Hold on, Greg. 338 00:18:57,221 --> 00:18:58,431 Skomal: It's just enough. 339 00:18:58,473 --> 00:19:01,309 We don't need that to pop off, you know? 340 00:19:06,439 --> 00:19:08,983 - Winton: You got him. - Captain: Good job! Nice job. 341 00:19:09,025 --> 00:19:10,151 Skomal: Yeah! 342 00:19:10,193 --> 00:19:12,195 Winton: All right, keep an eye! Keep an eye. 343 00:19:19,994 --> 00:19:21,829 Oh, that's great. 344 00:19:21,913 --> 00:19:23,915 Nice work. Victory, Captain. 345 00:19:25,583 --> 00:19:28,503 There's an acoustic transmitter on that, 346 00:19:28,586 --> 00:19:29,962 and that's gonna stay on. 347 00:19:30,004 --> 00:19:32,924 That's why we use the dart. The dart's gonna hold that in. 348 00:19:33,007 --> 00:19:34,675 That'll ping for 10 years. 349 00:19:39,097 --> 00:19:42,767 - Winton: There she goes. - Skomal: All right, you can... 350 00:19:44,811 --> 00:19:46,938 Winton: Every time a tagged shark swims by 351 00:19:47,021 --> 00:19:49,023 one of our real-time receivers, 352 00:19:49,065 --> 00:19:52,360 people will immediately see that information on their phone. 353 00:19:53,361 --> 00:19:56,906 It's now integrated with our app, Sharktivity. 354 00:20:00,660 --> 00:20:02,578 There's also information on which shark it was. 355 00:20:02,662 --> 00:20:04,831 There's a photo of the shark. 356 00:20:08,501 --> 00:20:11,379 It's really changed the way people think about sharks 357 00:20:11,462 --> 00:20:12,714 off of our coastline, 358 00:20:12,797 --> 00:20:15,717 and how frequently they occur near shore waters. 359 00:20:27,854 --> 00:20:30,815 Blake: Let's see if we're getting them. 360 00:20:31,065 --> 00:20:34,527 Oh, so Joanie came by at 2:30 last night and left at 3:00. 361 00:20:34,569 --> 00:20:36,404 - Who is that? Jodi? - Blake: Joanie. 362 00:20:36,446 --> 00:20:38,215 - Lifeguard: Joanie? - Blake: Yeah. 363 00:20:38,239 --> 00:20:41,242 I-I don't know how big Joanie is, but... 364 00:20:41,284 --> 00:20:43,911 All right. Hopefully, this will work today. 365 00:20:48,166 --> 00:20:51,461 Lifeguard: We fly that all the time just so people know 366 00:20:51,544 --> 00:20:53,046 that there are sharks in the water. 367 00:20:53,087 --> 00:20:55,590 It's basically like you should go in at your own discretion. 368 00:20:55,631 --> 00:20:56,817 - Blake: I... - Lifeguard: However, 369 00:20:56,841 --> 00:20:58,676 if we detect one on our buoy or see one, 370 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,429 then we get everyone out of the water and change it to a black flag. 371 00:21:01,471 --> 00:21:02,740 - Beachgoer: Oh. To black? - Lifeguard: Yep. 372 00:21:02,764 --> 00:21:04,891 - Beachgoer: Okay. Just wondered. - Lifeguard: Yep. 373 00:21:04,932 --> 00:21:06,476 Blake: Have a great day. 374 00:21:22,116 --> 00:21:24,452 I just saw a seal on the sandbar. 375 00:21:26,454 --> 00:21:30,124 When we see a seal, it makes us nervous. 376 00:21:32,627 --> 00:21:34,128 Child: That is a shark! 377 00:21:34,170 --> 00:21:35,505 Blake: Sharks are so stealth. 378 00:21:35,588 --> 00:21:39,133 They just sneak up on their prey. 379 00:21:39,217 --> 00:21:42,762 The seals are really agile so they can swim away really fast, 380 00:21:42,804 --> 00:21:45,973 but obviously humans are not as agile. 381 00:21:58,861 --> 00:22:01,697 You can see that fish a mile away, huh? 382 00:22:04,659 --> 00:22:06,452 Captain: Sucker's in shallow water, man. 383 00:22:06,494 --> 00:22:08,162 - Sure is, huh? - Like, uh, motivated. 384 00:22:08,246 --> 00:22:09,288 Captain: Eight feet here, 385 00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:11,707 and it's seven feet and it's going in. 386 00:22:11,791 --> 00:22:15,002 Skomal: It's got a pile of seals right there. 387 00:22:15,044 --> 00:22:17,130 This sucker's hunting. 388 00:22:19,757 --> 00:22:21,008 Wilkinson: Greg Skomal, 389 00:22:21,050 --> 00:22:23,428 who is the one person on the east coast 390 00:22:23,511 --> 00:22:25,763 who really knows what the circumstances are, 391 00:22:25,847 --> 00:22:29,350 had always told me that sharks, so far as he could tell, 392 00:22:29,851 --> 00:22:32,812 would not enter into the surf zone 393 00:22:32,854 --> 00:22:36,399 because they had an instinctive fear of being breached. 394 00:22:38,025 --> 00:22:42,155 Unhappily for me, he amended that last year to say, "Well... 395 00:22:42,196 --> 00:22:44,532 "not sure anymore. 396 00:22:44,574 --> 00:22:48,870 "We now have seen occasions where they go right into the surf after a seal. 397 00:22:48,953 --> 00:22:52,165 If they're chasing something, they'll certainly go into the surf," he said. 398 00:23:08,181 --> 00:23:10,659 -Lisa Sette: You see that? -Liz Bradfield: Oh, yeah. That's a seal coming. 399 00:23:10,683 --> 00:23:12,083 - Sette: Is it? - Bradfield: Mm-hmm. 400 00:23:12,143 --> 00:23:13,686 That one has a scar on its back. 401 00:23:13,728 --> 00:23:16,564 It was... I just saw a divot, you know? 402 00:23:18,399 --> 00:23:19,776 D, can you photograph this? 403 00:23:19,859 --> 00:23:21,319 - Bradfield: I will, yeah. - Yep. 404 00:23:21,402 --> 00:23:22,671 Bradfield: Oh, yeah. Look at that. 405 00:23:26,824 --> 00:23:29,619 I can't see a wound. I see... 406 00:23:29,702 --> 00:23:31,680 Bradfield: I mean, it's not like bloody or anything. 407 00:23:31,704 --> 00:23:33,956 Sette: It's not... It's like a healed divot. 408 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,375 Bradfield: No, that's not, that's too old, Lis. 409 00:23:36,417 --> 00:23:38,127 - Do you see it? - Sette: I see it. 410 00:23:38,211 --> 00:23:39,253 There's a white... 411 00:23:39,337 --> 00:23:41,714 It looks white below the surface. 412 00:23:45,718 --> 00:23:48,304 I don't live very far from here, and, um, 413 00:23:48,388 --> 00:23:50,932 two years ago, I rode out here in August 414 00:23:51,015 --> 00:23:53,643 and it was, uh, later in the afternoon, 415 00:23:53,726 --> 00:23:55,686 and I got off my bike and I just looked out, 416 00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:57,522 and there was a white shark. 417 00:23:57,605 --> 00:23:58,940 And I was like, "Oh, wow." 418 00:23:58,981 --> 00:24:01,609 I spent about an hour watching it. 419 00:24:01,692 --> 00:24:04,779 And then seals started passing through 420 00:24:04,862 --> 00:24:08,616 really close to shore, just traveling north or south. 421 00:24:08,658 --> 00:24:11,536 And rafts of birds came in, boats were going by, 422 00:24:11,619 --> 00:24:12,870 and I was just like, 423 00:24:12,954 --> 00:24:16,290 we could do, like, a, a little behavioral study here, 424 00:24:16,332 --> 00:24:19,627 and look at seal behavior and white shark behavior. 425 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:22,463 So, when we stand out here, what we're looking at is 426 00:24:22,547 --> 00:24:27,427 basically how seals and white sharks transit, 427 00:24:27,468 --> 00:24:29,971 or spend time right off the bluff here. 428 00:24:30,054 --> 00:24:32,807 Oh, wait. We got a seal. Sorry. I have to get a... 429 00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,935 Okay, Marjorie, you ready? 430 00:24:36,018 --> 00:24:38,354 Ninety-four bearing. 431 00:24:38,438 --> 00:24:41,607 I'm gonna get you distance. 432 00:24:41,649 --> 00:24:44,152 142 heading north. 433 00:24:44,193 --> 00:24:45,069 Bradfield: Circling. 434 00:24:45,153 --> 00:24:45,987 Oh, interaction. 435 00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:47,822 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 436 00:24:47,905 --> 00:24:52,368 There was a interaction between the first and third animal. 437 00:24:52,452 --> 00:24:54,805 Uh, for some reason, the third animal got a little too close 438 00:24:54,829 --> 00:24:55,788 and the first animal... 439 00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:56,932 - Flipped around. - Flipped around 440 00:24:56,956 --> 00:24:59,500 and gave a body check. 441 00:24:59,584 --> 00:25:00,793 That was interesting. 442 00:25:00,835 --> 00:25:03,254 Bradfield: That was interesting. 443 00:25:03,337 --> 00:25:07,759 Sette: Seals can tell us a lot about th-the ocean environment. 444 00:25:07,842 --> 00:25:10,344 They're a species that reflects back to us, 445 00:25:10,386 --> 00:25:12,013 um, ecosystem health. 446 00:25:12,055 --> 00:25:14,849 Bradfield: That makes them a great messenger for us, 447 00:25:14,891 --> 00:25:17,727 and to be witnessing the recovery of a species. 448 00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:18,996 You know, there's this whole idea 449 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,354 of shifting baselines, right? 450 00:25:20,396 --> 00:25:22,899 That what you grew up with is what's "normal." 451 00:25:22,982 --> 00:25:25,526 And oftentimes the story of shifting baselines, 452 00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:27,361 is of decrease. 453 00:25:27,403 --> 00:25:30,049 But here, we're having a shifting of baselines upward with the seals, 454 00:25:30,073 --> 00:25:33,284 and, and that's pretty, pretty amazing, too. 455 00:25:33,367 --> 00:25:37,246 People saying, "You know, I didn't used to see all these seals," and they're right. 456 00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:38,581 They didn't. 457 00:26:14,075 --> 00:26:16,577 Crocker Snow: I've spent a lot of time all over the world. 458 00:26:16,619 --> 00:26:19,080 All kinds of places that I like. 459 00:26:19,163 --> 00:26:22,667 But when I set foot on Muskeget, 460 00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:26,087 the moment my foot hits the sand, 461 00:26:26,129 --> 00:26:29,424 I'm in the Muskeget thing instantly. 462 00:26:29,507 --> 00:26:31,759 Nothing else. 463 00:26:31,843 --> 00:26:33,052 My first exposure was, 464 00:26:33,094 --> 00:26:35,596 I was nine years old right after Dad got it. 465 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,515 And he came down on a Piper Cub, 466 00:26:37,557 --> 00:26:39,767 the yellow planes with single engine, 467 00:26:39,809 --> 00:26:43,104 and I had my best friend in the back. 468 00:26:43,146 --> 00:26:45,940 And he landed out on that beach. 469 00:26:46,023 --> 00:26:48,609 He dropped us off, got back on the plane, 470 00:26:48,651 --> 00:26:50,278 said, "I'll be back" and took off. 471 00:26:50,361 --> 00:26:54,615 And I distinctly remember sitting there with my friend 472 00:26:54,657 --> 00:26:57,535 and watching the yellow plane disappear. 473 00:26:57,618 --> 00:26:59,954 - I bet. - And everywhere we walked, 474 00:26:59,996 --> 00:27:02,081 there were seagulls attacking us, 475 00:27:02,123 --> 00:27:03,976 'cause we were going through a nest without knowing it. 476 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,126 Kimberly Murray: Uh-huh. 477 00:27:05,293 --> 00:27:09,130 Snow: It was like Alfred Hitchcock's "Birds." 478 00:27:09,213 --> 00:27:11,257 We found an old 2x4 or something, 479 00:27:11,299 --> 00:27:12,550 and we were sort of... 480 00:27:12,633 --> 00:27:13,593 see if the plane... 481 00:27:14,469 --> 00:27:17,263 My memory and what I wrote was just about two hours. 482 00:27:17,305 --> 00:27:20,767 And eventually we saw this little yellow plane coming in. 483 00:27:27,482 --> 00:27:30,651 Snow: We think of ourselves as the stewards of the island, 484 00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:32,445 you know, to keep it the way it is, 485 00:27:32,487 --> 00:27:33,738 except for the gray seals. 486 00:27:33,821 --> 00:27:35,740 Um... 487 00:27:37,617 --> 00:27:40,161 You-You know what I mean. You know exactly what I mean. 488 00:27:41,496 --> 00:27:43,164 I don't want them to overtake 489 00:27:43,206 --> 00:27:46,167 all the other species on the island. 490 00:27:48,878 --> 00:27:53,341 You didn't see any pups born here in 1960, did you? 491 00:27:53,424 --> 00:27:56,928 Snow: The first one was found, I think, in '64, 492 00:27:57,011 --> 00:27:59,097 and then there were 20 or 40. 493 00:27:59,180 --> 00:28:01,015 And they had... They were by name. 494 00:28:01,099 --> 00:28:02,725 The scientist said, "There's Mariel." 495 00:28:02,809 --> 00:28:04,102 I-I've told you that. 496 00:28:04,185 --> 00:28:05,746 - There's so few of them, they could name them. - Yes. 497 00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:08,564 They named them. And it was cute. 498 00:28:12,318 --> 00:28:14,695 Wilkinson: You know, 15, 20 years ago, 499 00:28:14,737 --> 00:28:16,531 if you saw a seal, it was sort of an event. 500 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,618 When I was a little kid and we spent our summers in Cape Cod, 501 00:28:20,701 --> 00:28:22,662 we might see two a summer. 502 00:28:22,745 --> 00:28:24,455 And you kind of go, "Wow. It's really cool. 503 00:28:24,539 --> 00:28:27,500 I was down at Ballston today and there was a seal!" 504 00:28:34,507 --> 00:28:37,343 Sette: People are very surprised, even locals, 505 00:28:37,385 --> 00:28:38,469 when they see seals here 506 00:28:38,511 --> 00:28:40,012 because they were gone for so long 507 00:28:40,054 --> 00:28:41,347 because of the bounties. 508 00:28:46,561 --> 00:28:50,022 Sette: It was perceived that the seals were responsible 509 00:28:50,064 --> 00:28:53,526 for eating down the commercially important fishes. 510 00:28:53,568 --> 00:28:55,278 So the seals were bountied. 511 00:28:55,361 --> 00:28:59,449 People were paid for noses or pelts or flippers. 512 00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:07,540 Tim Reinemo: My grandfather used to hunt for them, sure. 513 00:29:07,582 --> 00:29:09,625 Muskeget was a great hunting ground. 514 00:29:09,709 --> 00:29:11,061 Used to be able to go out there and get 'em 515 00:29:11,085 --> 00:29:12,962 and bring back the noses. 516 00:29:14,881 --> 00:29:16,841 You could also cut the ear off. 517 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,012 Sette: Over 20,000 seals are believed to have been bountied 518 00:29:21,095 --> 00:29:23,556 in, um, Massachusetts waters. 519 00:29:25,141 --> 00:29:27,977 And then, in 1972, the Marine Mammal Protection Act 520 00:29:28,061 --> 00:29:31,522 was put in place to protect seals. 521 00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:42,950 By the time they hit about 200, I asked her, Valerie... 522 00:29:43,034 --> 00:29:44,660 - Rue. - Yeah. 523 00:29:44,744 --> 00:29:48,331 - Valerie Rue. - And she said they'll never get to more than a thousand. 524 00:29:48,414 --> 00:29:51,959 There, there won't be enough feed, or there'll be disease. 525 00:29:52,001 --> 00:29:55,630 And she was obviously dead wrong. 526 00:30:11,145 --> 00:30:13,731 Snow: We have all the problems with the sharks. 527 00:30:13,815 --> 00:30:15,400 It's obvious. 528 00:30:15,483 --> 00:30:17,777 I mean, nobody has to think about that too much. 529 00:30:17,819 --> 00:30:22,031 They're attracted by the seals and there are a lot of seals. 530 00:30:23,533 --> 00:30:25,159 It's clear that the population 531 00:30:25,243 --> 00:30:29,705 has reached beyond what it needs to be to be stable. 532 00:30:29,789 --> 00:30:31,541 But with the Marine Mammal Protection Act, 533 00:30:31,624 --> 00:30:37,171 you can't delist gray seals or any other marine mammals, 534 00:30:37,213 --> 00:30:38,965 if I'm not... if I'm correct. 535 00:30:39,006 --> 00:30:41,008 That should be changed. 536 00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:43,219 So if they get beyond the point 537 00:30:43,302 --> 00:30:45,805 that they have to be to be self-sufficient, 538 00:30:45,847 --> 00:30:48,933 it should be doable to make changes. 539 00:30:49,016 --> 00:30:50,160 I mean, they haven't gotten to a point 540 00:30:50,184 --> 00:30:52,395 where they're beyond the point of becoming... 541 00:30:52,478 --> 00:30:55,314 Of "self-sufficient," is I think what you just said. 542 00:30:55,356 --> 00:30:59,026 - I did. - It's not beyond that point from a ecological point of view. 543 00:30:59,068 --> 00:31:01,362 Well, what is the right point? 544 00:31:01,446 --> 00:31:03,948 Well, the goal of the Marine Mammal Protection Act 545 00:31:04,031 --> 00:31:08,202 is to allow them to recover to a certain range. 546 00:31:08,244 --> 00:31:10,580 What is that figure? It's not in the act. 547 00:31:10,663 --> 00:31:13,040 - No, it's not. - You can't, you can't reach it, 548 00:31:13,124 --> 00:31:14,876 because it could go forever. 549 00:31:14,917 --> 00:31:16,919 Our population is going like this, 550 00:31:17,003 --> 00:31:19,839 and we're not controlling ourselves, 551 00:31:19,881 --> 00:31:22,008 and you're controlling the seals. 552 00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:24,010 I'm just giving her a hard time. 553 00:31:24,052 --> 00:31:26,637 Murray: The seals are recovering, they're doing well. 554 00:31:26,721 --> 00:31:29,390 Marine Mammal Protection Act has been a success. 555 00:31:29,432 --> 00:31:31,893 But because we're so populated now, 556 00:31:31,976 --> 00:31:34,020 the number has come in conflict 557 00:31:34,062 --> 00:31:36,773 with a lot of our uses of the ocean, 558 00:31:36,856 --> 00:31:39,108 and that's what we're trying to balance. 559 00:31:39,192 --> 00:31:42,111 Snow: Right. But, number one, if you let nature be nature, 560 00:31:42,195 --> 00:31:43,613 they wouldn't be protected. 561 00:31:43,696 --> 00:31:47,825 Point two, why would the seals have it over people? 562 00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:50,745 To me, that's a big argument. 563 00:31:50,828 --> 00:31:55,249 Murray: It strikes at how you feel about your relationship with wildlife 564 00:31:55,291 --> 00:31:56,769 - and if you feel like... - Yeah. I agree. 565 00:31:56,793 --> 00:31:58,753 You can dominate it and control it, 566 00:31:58,836 --> 00:32:02,757 or if you can co-exist with it as a, as a part of it. 567 00:32:22,402 --> 00:32:24,654 Person: The Endangered Species Act is a huge success. 568 00:32:24,737 --> 00:32:27,448 - It's inarguably, inarguably a huge success. - Kartsounis: Yes. 569 00:32:27,532 --> 00:32:29,534 Person: We just wanna pick up a piece of that 570 00:32:29,617 --> 00:32:31,720 - that's a critical omission in this legislation. - Ron Beaty: Right. 571 00:32:31,744 --> 00:32:34,914 It's, it's simple. It's a delisting provision. 572 00:32:34,956 --> 00:32:37,750 When a species has demonstrably recovered, 573 00:32:37,792 --> 00:32:39,210 take 'em off the protection list. 574 00:32:39,293 --> 00:32:40,169 - Right. - That's it. 575 00:32:40,253 --> 00:32:41,373 That's what we're going for. 576 00:32:41,462 --> 00:32:44,006 - Right. - Kartsounis: According to Crocker Snow, 577 00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:46,968 on his island, Muskeget, there's... what did he say, 578 00:32:47,009 --> 00:32:48,636 about 12 to 15,000? 579 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,433 And then on Monomoy, there's 20 to 25,000. 580 00:32:53,474 --> 00:32:55,226 So you put those numbers together. 581 00:32:55,309 --> 00:32:58,604 When we talk to people, we need to actually stress 582 00:32:58,646 --> 00:33:01,357 that the marine balance equation also means 583 00:33:01,441 --> 00:33:03,735 that humans are part of the equation. 584 00:33:03,818 --> 00:33:08,072 The other side, our opposition, basically is telling the media 585 00:33:08,156 --> 00:33:10,241 that humans are the problem, 586 00:33:10,324 --> 00:33:12,952 that we shouldn't even be part of the ecosystem. 587 00:33:12,994 --> 00:33:14,579 Which is ridiculous, it's just stupid. 588 00:33:14,662 --> 00:33:17,382 Group Member: Well, people said to me, "Oh, you wanna kill the seals," 589 00:33:17,457 --> 00:33:20,168 and I'm like, "No. No. I don't wanna kill the seals. 590 00:33:20,251 --> 00:33:21,669 "I want a balanced ecosystem, 591 00:33:21,753 --> 00:33:24,797 in which people are considered to be part of the ecosystem." 592 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:26,900 -That's it. It's not that complicated. -Yeah. And, and... 593 00:33:26,924 --> 00:33:28,593 I wanna reiterate... 594 00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:32,305 - Never ever. - Group Member: Yeah. 595 00:33:32,346 --> 00:33:33,931 Kartsounis: Now, Ron, are you aware 596 00:33:34,015 --> 00:33:35,767 that the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy 597 00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:37,018 has a booth every Saturday 598 00:33:37,101 --> 00:33:38,978 at Newcomb Hollow Beach in Wellfleet? 599 00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:40,940 I knew they did at some beaches. I didn't know... 600 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:43,483 Kartsounis: Well, this is an actual propaganda booth... 601 00:33:43,524 --> 00:33:45,377 - Beaty: Yeah. - Kartsounis: where it's in a parking lot. 602 00:33:45,401 --> 00:33:47,361 They've got three or four interns. 603 00:33:47,403 --> 00:33:49,489 And as beachgoers go by, 604 00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:53,659 they're right there pushing their leaflets and propaganda. 605 00:33:53,701 --> 00:33:54,661 AWSC Intern: How are you? 606 00:33:56,579 --> 00:33:58,932 Intern: We're with the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy. 607 00:33:58,956 --> 00:34:02,043 We got some shark smart tips here, so if you go in the water, 608 00:34:02,085 --> 00:34:03,461 this is all of our detection data. 609 00:34:03,544 --> 00:34:06,714 So that's where we know they have been detected. 610 00:34:06,798 --> 00:34:08,048 How many off of Cape Cod? 611 00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:11,260 Uh, there... At any given time, we don't really know, you know? 612 00:34:11,344 --> 00:34:14,262 They, they like it... we know they like it here in the summer 613 00:34:14,347 --> 00:34:15,765 and up until about October, 614 00:34:15,847 --> 00:34:19,352 but the exact number that's here is kind of hard to tell, yeah. 615 00:34:19,394 --> 00:34:24,231 But there is not a lot that are on this beach, right, because of the sandbars and stuff? 616 00:34:24,315 --> 00:34:26,233 So you can see we're right about here. 617 00:34:26,317 --> 00:34:29,278 This is like a highway for shark activity. 618 00:34:29,362 --> 00:34:31,362 So there's... at any given time, a potential for... 619 00:34:31,405 --> 00:34:33,258 - Yeah, they're going. Yeah. - Oh, yeah, for sure. 620 00:34:33,282 --> 00:34:35,242 Beachgoer: So cool. 621 00:34:35,284 --> 00:34:37,286 - I saw a shark yesterday. - Beachgoer: Yeah. 622 00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:39,247 -Intern: Oh, really? That's super cool. -Yeah. 623 00:34:39,329 --> 00:34:41,332 - With a fin up in the water. - Intern: Oh, yeah. 624 00:34:41,416 --> 00:34:43,519 - Beachgoer: Couldn't believe it. - I don't know what kind it was. 625 00:34:43,543 --> 00:34:44,937 Intern: Yeah. Probably a great white. 626 00:34:44,961 --> 00:34:47,106 - They're usually inshore. Yeah. - Beachgoer: Yeah, that's... 627 00:34:47,130 --> 00:34:49,173 - Whoa! - Intern: We'll be here until 12:00, 628 00:34:49,257 --> 00:34:50,818 so when you guys are back from your surf... 629 00:34:50,842 --> 00:34:53,760 - Are, are those teeth? - Intern: Yeah, those are real shark teeth. 630 00:34:53,845 --> 00:34:58,307 This is a 3D print of how big a white shark tooth can get. 631 00:35:56,407 --> 00:35:59,994 I think it's bait fish 'cause there's more behind it. 632 00:36:00,036 --> 00:36:03,122 - Oh, yeah. - Like there are a couple more of those blobs, 633 00:36:03,164 --> 00:36:04,916 but I see what you're looking at. 634 00:36:05,708 --> 00:36:08,753 Lifeguard: Really has a shape though, you know? 635 00:36:08,795 --> 00:36:10,254 - Oh. - Blake: Bait fish. 636 00:36:10,338 --> 00:36:12,590 Lifeguard: Did you see that? 637 00:36:12,673 --> 00:36:15,468 Lifeguard 2: No. What? What are we looking at? 638 00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:17,178 Blake: What did you see? 639 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:18,805 Lifeguard: A fin come out of the water. 640 00:36:18,846 --> 00:36:20,139 A little triangle fin. 641 00:36:20,181 --> 00:36:21,599 Blake: Not a mola? 642 00:36:21,682 --> 00:36:24,185 Lifeguard: Like a shark dorsal fin. 643 00:36:24,268 --> 00:36:26,145 Barely broke the surface. 644 00:36:26,938 --> 00:36:28,981 - Blake: How far out? - Lifeguard: Right there! 645 00:36:29,023 --> 00:36:30,274 It's that thing right there. 646 00:36:30,358 --> 00:36:33,778 - Blake: I see the blob. - Lifeguard: It's the blob. 647 00:36:33,861 --> 00:36:36,239 Blake: Well, do you wanna just call it to be safe? 648 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:39,718 - Lifeguard: It's right in there. - Blake: Oh, that's close. 649 00:36:39,742 --> 00:36:42,954 Lifeguard: Look at that... Like it's got definition. 650 00:36:43,037 --> 00:36:44,080 Blake: Where's the flag? 651 00:36:44,163 --> 00:36:45,432 - Lifeguard: I'm blowing. - Blake: All right. 652 00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:59,679 - Lifeguard: You can see it clearly when one of the waves... - Blake: I trust you, Mike. 653 00:37:01,973 --> 00:37:04,851 It was just like a smudge and it was headed that way. 654 00:37:04,892 --> 00:37:07,729 - Beachgoer: Oh, headed that way? - It was headed that way, yeah. 655 00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:11,149 But just to be safe, we keep you out of the water for an hour. 656 00:37:11,232 --> 00:37:12,900 Beachgoer: Thank you. 657 00:37:16,904 --> 00:37:19,907 How many cellphones you suppose are pointed at us right now? 658 00:37:19,991 --> 00:37:23,244 Person : There's two others about, uh, 659 00:37:23,327 --> 00:37:25,872 200 feet away, if that. 660 00:37:25,913 --> 00:37:28,082 We're right in the damn swimming area. 661 00:37:35,256 --> 00:37:36,924 Blake: Any questions? Any... 662 00:37:39,177 --> 00:37:41,155 Beachgoer: It's weird, though, It was just so close. 663 00:37:41,179 --> 00:37:43,181 Blake: Oh, yeah, they get really close. 664 00:37:43,264 --> 00:37:44,557 Beachgoer: Yeah. And then, 665 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,285 and then, we all just went swimming half an hour later. 666 00:37:46,309 --> 00:37:47,703 - It's so weird. - Blake: Yeah, it is. 667 00:37:47,727 --> 00:37:49,228 It's just something we live with now. 668 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:50,438 Beachgoer: I know. 669 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,122 Blake: I had a dream that there were people 670 00:38:08,206 --> 00:38:09,874 swimming on the sandbar there, 671 00:38:09,957 --> 00:38:15,505 and I saw a fin and I had my whistle and it didn't work, 672 00:38:15,588 --> 00:38:17,548 so I couldn't get people out of the water. 673 00:38:17,632 --> 00:38:21,886 And then the shark caught a wave onto the shore 674 00:38:21,928 --> 00:38:24,555 and bit everybody's feet. 675 00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:26,557 And then I had a mass casualty incident, 676 00:38:26,641 --> 00:38:28,351 and I was the only lifeguard there, 677 00:38:28,434 --> 00:38:29,852 and I didn't have a phone. 678 00:38:29,936 --> 00:38:34,273 And then, um, one of the fire department guys 679 00:38:34,315 --> 00:38:35,817 showed up with one roll of gauze, 680 00:38:35,858 --> 00:38:38,069 and that's all we had to manage it. 681 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,743 It's on our minds a lot and I'm even dreaming about them, 682 00:38:45,827 --> 00:38:48,079 so I guess that says something. 683 00:39:14,689 --> 00:39:17,358 Beau Gribbin: We had to harpoon it today out of Scituate Harbor. 684 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,985 Harpoon this fish. 685 00:39:19,026 --> 00:39:21,529 And when they were getting ready to pull the fish aboard, 686 00:39:21,612 --> 00:39:23,698 they had a great white shark attack it. 687 00:39:23,781 --> 00:39:26,242 And you can see it took a pretty good-sized bite out of it. 688 00:39:26,325 --> 00:39:27,493 You got a... You got a moon. 689 00:39:27,535 --> 00:39:28,846 Seems like a lot of this happens around the moon. 690 00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:31,998 This would be in the money of the fish. 691 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,542 This would be the fattest point of the loin 692 00:39:34,584 --> 00:39:36,669 with the highest yield in the shoulders of the fish. 693 00:39:36,711 --> 00:39:41,215 And just from the bite radius of that, that's a big shark. 694 00:39:41,299 --> 00:39:42,717 If you saw what we just saw, 695 00:39:42,759 --> 00:39:44,761 you'd never go back in the water. 696 00:40:22,423 --> 00:40:26,260 Stormy Mayo: So yesterday, I-I got a, a scrape on my arm, 697 00:40:26,344 --> 00:40:28,262 and I jumped in the water, 698 00:40:28,304 --> 00:40:30,473 and it opened up. 699 00:40:30,556 --> 00:40:32,600 And I was bleeding a little bit. 700 00:40:32,683 --> 00:40:34,268 And I immediately thought, 701 00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:38,231 it's a sign of being, being a good marine biologist, 702 00:40:38,314 --> 00:40:40,858 I thought, "Man, I wonder how far this... 703 00:40:40,942 --> 00:40:43,778 "the, the smell of this blood is going? 704 00:40:43,861 --> 00:40:48,282 "I bet you it's going, you know, at-at the molecular levels 705 00:40:48,366 --> 00:40:50,743 "that these animals can sense it, 706 00:40:50,785 --> 00:40:53,996 "it's probably already gone all the way to Wellfleet 707 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,624 and they're all rushing in my direction." 708 00:40:56,707 --> 00:40:59,001 So I got out of the water. 709 00:40:59,085 --> 00:41:03,840 You know, in shallow water in Provincetown, worried about... 710 00:41:05,299 --> 00:41:10,471 It's a sign that terror spreads through academia as well, 711 00:41:10,555 --> 00:41:13,141 as well as through the general public. 712 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,857 This is an interesting place, 713 00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:24,569 because Cape Cod is very rich in terms of fish life, 714 00:41:24,652 --> 00:41:27,280 like sharks and, increasingly, of course, 715 00:41:27,321 --> 00:41:32,118 in marine mammals, particularly seals and whales. 716 00:41:37,999 --> 00:41:40,168 These sharks are great animals. 717 00:41:40,209 --> 00:41:44,380 Anything that's living at the apex of the food web 718 00:41:44,464 --> 00:41:46,049 is a pretty special creature. 719 00:41:47,175 --> 00:41:49,552 And we're still learning so much about them 720 00:41:49,635 --> 00:41:52,013 that we never used to. 721 00:41:52,096 --> 00:41:55,475 What has been found out with all the different tagging things, 722 00:41:55,516 --> 00:41:58,728 those long-distance, distance tags, 723 00:41:58,811 --> 00:42:02,106 they weren't what I learned in, in graduate school. 724 00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:06,194 These are... these animals range over huge distances. 725 00:42:08,154 --> 00:42:09,363 It's exciting. 726 00:42:09,447 --> 00:42:12,241 But we're in a time of huge change. 727 00:42:12,325 --> 00:42:15,203 With the radical change in the number of seals 728 00:42:15,286 --> 00:42:16,370 and white sharks, 729 00:42:16,412 --> 00:42:19,707 there is no doubt that this system is in a state 730 00:42:19,749 --> 00:42:21,876 of remarkable flux. 731 00:42:23,211 --> 00:42:28,049 And it's understandable that people are concerned. 732 00:42:34,347 --> 00:42:36,283 Commissioner: Next on our agenda is public comment. 733 00:42:36,307 --> 00:42:39,143 Anyone who wishes to address the, uh, the board can. 734 00:42:39,227 --> 00:42:41,229 Beaty: I, I know the names of two of the people 735 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:43,106 -from Well... the Wellfleet Group. -Okay. 736 00:42:43,189 --> 00:42:45,942 John Kartsounis and, uh, Drew Taylor and your group. 737 00:42:46,025 --> 00:42:48,111 Uh, you... You're still here, right? 738 00:42:48,194 --> 00:42:51,239 Uh, my name's John Kartsounis, Wellfleet resident. 739 00:42:51,322 --> 00:42:56,786 Uh, been, uh, occasionally on the Cape for 35 years, 740 00:42:56,869 --> 00:42:59,997 and I've been a resident of Wellfleet now for seven years. 741 00:43:00,081 --> 00:43:04,168 Now, uh, the reason, uh, why we're here is to... 742 00:43:04,252 --> 00:43:08,089 present the public's perception 743 00:43:08,172 --> 00:43:10,883 of what's going on at our hometown. 744 00:43:10,925 --> 00:43:14,011 Uh, I've been recreating in the waters off Wellfleet 745 00:43:14,095 --> 00:43:16,723 since 1983. 746 00:43:16,764 --> 00:43:18,015 I'm not a scientist, 747 00:43:18,099 --> 00:43:20,643 but I think I know a lot about what's been happening 748 00:43:20,727 --> 00:43:22,103 in our town's beaches. 749 00:43:22,186 --> 00:43:25,148 Uh, we've gone from seeing zero seals, 750 00:43:25,231 --> 00:43:29,819 to now we see an abundance and an overpopulation of seals. 751 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:34,949 The question here is, we have a law that's almost 50 years old 752 00:43:34,991 --> 00:43:38,286 and we have special interest groups that are telling us 753 00:43:38,327 --> 00:43:41,914 that it is written in stone and it cannot be changed, 754 00:43:41,956 --> 00:43:43,791 but I think we have to start somewhere. 755 00:43:43,833 --> 00:43:46,335 I'm not, I'm not a scientist but I am a politician. 756 00:43:46,419 --> 00:43:49,547 And I have my ear to the ground and what I'm saying is that, 757 00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:51,883 as we look for solutions, 758 00:43:51,966 --> 00:43:54,552 exemptions from the Marine Mammal Protection Act 759 00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:57,680 is a very, very heavy climb. Very heavy. 760 00:43:57,764 --> 00:44:00,975 It can, it can... it, it involves the entire country. 761 00:44:01,017 --> 00:44:02,977 And not only local NGO groups 762 00:44:03,019 --> 00:44:04,645 but you have national NGO groups. 763 00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:07,231 So, whether or not I think it's a good idea or not 764 00:44:07,315 --> 00:44:08,274 is really irrelevant. 765 00:44:08,316 --> 00:44:10,318 I'm looking for something about this summer 766 00:44:10,359 --> 00:44:11,402 and next summer. 767 00:44:11,486 --> 00:44:14,697 My personal opinion is that that is not realistic, 768 00:44:14,781 --> 00:44:16,240 at least in the short term. 769 00:44:16,324 --> 00:44:18,093 - That's, you know... - Kartsounis: Well, you know what's heavy? 770 00:44:18,117 --> 00:44:20,828 What's really a heavy load to bear 771 00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:23,539 is "out of business" signs, foreclosure signs, 772 00:44:23,623 --> 00:44:27,001 and basically a depression. 773 00:44:32,048 --> 00:44:35,176 Kartsounis: Unless our public officials start to think 774 00:44:35,218 --> 00:44:38,805 in terms of public health and safety, and that people 775 00:44:38,846 --> 00:44:41,307 do have a right to be at the beaches and to swim 776 00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:42,934 and to recreate on Cape Cod, 777 00:44:43,017 --> 00:44:45,561 as they have done for a hundred years, 778 00:44:45,645 --> 00:44:48,648 uh, without having to fear being killed. 779 00:44:48,689 --> 00:44:51,234 Taylor: To me, it all goes back to the health of the ecosystem. 780 00:44:51,317 --> 00:44:53,986 Somewhere between the mid '80s and mid '90s, 781 00:44:54,028 --> 00:44:58,282 whatever number it was then, our ecosystem was flourishing. 782 00:44:58,366 --> 00:45:02,036 There were seals, you could surf-cast off the beach 783 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,164 and catch fish: stripers, blues, flounder, whatever. 784 00:45:05,206 --> 00:45:08,710 And then since then, you know, the explosion of the seals 785 00:45:08,751 --> 00:45:10,920 just kind of led us to where we're at today. 786 00:45:11,003 --> 00:45:12,189 I don't blame the seals and the sharks. 787 00:45:12,213 --> 00:45:14,507 - Right. - It's just no management planning 788 00:45:14,549 --> 00:45:17,385 and poorly written laws. 789 00:45:41,951 --> 00:45:43,745 Jeff Souza: I still tuna-fish with my father. 790 00:45:43,828 --> 00:45:46,289 Him and I have fished together, before I used to work for him. 791 00:45:46,372 --> 00:45:50,918 So now the tables are turned, now he gets to work with me. 792 00:45:51,002 --> 00:45:53,046 I mean, it is neat being able to come out here 793 00:45:53,087 --> 00:45:55,381 and do the same thing with my father, 794 00:45:55,465 --> 00:45:56,966 being the fourth generation. 795 00:45:57,842 --> 00:46:03,806 But most fishermen know what's going on and see the changes. 796 00:46:05,475 --> 00:46:07,018 Crew: Up. 797 00:46:08,478 --> 00:46:10,372 Jeff Souza: Things that we used to fish for here now 798 00:46:10,396 --> 00:46:14,233 like codfish, or we used to have good fluke fishing here, 799 00:46:14,275 --> 00:46:16,611 there's no more fluke around here. 800 00:46:18,279 --> 00:46:20,865 Jeff Souza: We blame the seals. 801 00:46:20,907 --> 00:46:23,951 The bait fish don't wanna come in because of them. 802 00:46:23,993 --> 00:46:27,121 We see them come up with striped bass, big striped bass. 803 00:46:27,163 --> 00:46:29,457 So, you know, they're probably eating the smaller fish. 804 00:46:29,499 --> 00:46:30,958 Crew: All set. 805 00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:35,922 Billy Souza: For years, I caught lobster 806 00:46:35,963 --> 00:46:38,925 and my wife sold them out of our garage. 807 00:46:38,966 --> 00:46:40,134 In the springtime, 808 00:46:40,176 --> 00:46:42,095 all the fishermen would come from New York 809 00:46:42,136 --> 00:46:44,722 and they come up here for a week and go fishing. 810 00:46:44,806 --> 00:46:46,307 And then when they went home, 811 00:46:46,391 --> 00:46:49,310 they would come by my house and load up with lobsters. 812 00:46:49,394 --> 00:46:51,854 Well, then all the seals start showing up. 813 00:46:51,938 --> 00:46:53,606 They can't catch a fish from the beach. 814 00:46:54,107 --> 00:46:58,694 The whole springtime fisheries died, our business died. 815 00:46:58,778 --> 00:47:01,823 The motels lost the whole springtime. 816 00:47:01,906 --> 00:47:03,706 - The bait and tackle shops went under. - Yeah. 817 00:47:03,783 --> 00:47:05,326 Everything, everything just collapsed 818 00:47:05,368 --> 00:47:07,370 because... 'cause the seals came in. 819 00:47:08,162 --> 00:47:11,374 And because of the Marine Mammal Protection Act, 820 00:47:11,457 --> 00:47:14,001 you can't touch 'em, you can't look at 'em, 821 00:47:14,043 --> 00:47:16,504 you can't even yell at 'em as you go past 'em. 822 00:47:23,261 --> 00:47:26,597 Jeff Souza: To me, it's like the ecosystem is out of line. 823 00:47:26,681 --> 00:47:30,184 Don't get me wrong, I like seeing whales, seals, 824 00:47:30,268 --> 00:47:31,894 stuff like that, to a degree, 825 00:47:31,978 --> 00:47:35,857 but when it's too much, it's too much. 826 00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:38,609 It's just been getting worse and worse. 827 00:47:38,693 --> 00:47:39,986 For the rest of my life, 828 00:47:40,027 --> 00:47:41,904 we will still have this problem. 829 00:48:12,685 --> 00:48:15,688 Emcee : P-Town, if you are feeling drop-dead gorgeous, 830 00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:17,148 can I get a "Yes, God"? 831 00:48:17,231 --> 00:48:19,400 Audience: Yes, God! 832 00:48:19,442 --> 00:48:21,486 Emcee: Now, I did just find out 833 00:48:21,569 --> 00:48:24,155 that it's Shark Week up in here. 834 00:48:24,238 --> 00:48:26,949 I hear y'all got some man-eaters in the house... 835 00:48:33,164 --> 00:48:35,583 ♪ So don't be the swimmer that I ♪ 836 00:48:35,666 --> 00:48:38,252 ♪ Am looking to bite ♪ 837 00:48:38,336 --> 00:48:41,881 Oh, my God. Oh! 838 00:48:41,923 --> 00:48:44,967 No! Oh! 839 00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:51,265 ♪ Now don't go hatin' the sharks ♪ 840 00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:55,144 ♪ I couldn't if I tried ♪ 841 00:48:55,228 --> 00:48:58,356 ♪ Their cartilage helps cure cancer ♪ 842 00:48:58,439 --> 00:49:00,942 ♪ But if they bite you you die ♪ 843 00:49:17,667 --> 00:49:21,337 ♪ I've been to the desert on a horse with no name ♪ 844 00:49:21,421 --> 00:49:26,134 ♪ It felt good to be out of the rain ♪ 845 00:49:26,175 --> 00:49:28,970 The other night, I was surfing there, 846 00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:31,806 and a big wave, they were all small, 847 00:49:31,848 --> 00:49:33,474 except for one big wave. 848 00:49:33,516 --> 00:49:35,810 And so I paddled out to see if I can get another one. 849 00:49:35,852 --> 00:49:38,646 I went off the... I went off the bar. 850 00:49:38,688 --> 00:49:42,692 And I think I saw a shark. I'm almost positive it was now. 851 00:49:42,775 --> 00:49:44,110 The way it swam, 852 00:49:44,193 --> 00:49:47,196 all I saw was the very tip of what I believe was the fin. 853 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,157 Maybe it was the nose. I don't know. 854 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:51,868 It was brown like a seal, but Mark told me, 855 00:49:51,951 --> 00:49:54,662 Mark Johnson says, "Sharks are brown." 856 00:49:59,917 --> 00:50:03,838 It's never quite been the same since the fatal attack. 857 00:50:03,921 --> 00:50:05,089 Hey! 858 00:50:05,173 --> 00:50:07,925 It did cause a rift in the community. 859 00:50:08,009 --> 00:50:09,403 Some of these people, not all of them, 860 00:50:09,427 --> 00:50:11,220 but some of these people are acting like 861 00:50:11,304 --> 00:50:13,097 the ocean's their little playground, 862 00:50:13,181 --> 00:50:14,891 their swimming pool. 863 00:50:14,974 --> 00:50:16,392 And they have no right to have... 864 00:50:16,476 --> 00:50:18,853 And, you know, sharks have no right to be in there 865 00:50:18,895 --> 00:50:21,105 or something, or seals. 866 00:50:21,189 --> 00:50:23,191 Nah, it doesn't work that way. 867 00:50:41,334 --> 00:50:43,419 Franchitto: And at first, I was very afraid. 868 00:50:45,004 --> 00:50:48,424 But then I got, kind of, accustomed to being out there. 869 00:50:51,344 --> 00:50:54,889 I'm very careful. I don't go out too deep. 870 00:50:55,723 --> 00:51:00,895 Surfers put stripes on the bottom of their boards now. 871 00:51:00,937 --> 00:51:05,691 I guess it confuses the sharks' sensory apparatus. 872 00:51:05,733 --> 00:51:08,486 It seems to be effective. 873 00:51:10,655 --> 00:51:15,535 We've got technology out here now, buoys out there. 874 00:51:18,621 --> 00:51:20,498 If untagged sharks go out there, 875 00:51:20,581 --> 00:51:22,250 we don't know they're there. 876 00:51:22,291 --> 00:51:24,711 But that's the way it is. 877 00:51:28,464 --> 00:51:30,466 If you're in the water frequently, 878 00:51:30,550 --> 00:51:33,928 chances are lots of animals have seen you 879 00:51:34,011 --> 00:51:36,222 that you didn't know were there. 880 00:52:06,169 --> 00:52:07,962 Skomal: I see it right on the bottom. 881 00:52:08,004 --> 00:52:09,797 Winton: How big is this fish? 882 00:52:10,798 --> 00:52:12,091 Got some girth. 883 00:52:12,133 --> 00:52:14,010 She may be a transient, though. 884 00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:16,137 That's a big old Gulf of Maine shark. 885 00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:19,348 - She's going to... - It's a big old "anywhere she wants to" shark. 886 00:52:19,432 --> 00:52:21,434 Skomal: Yeah. Okay. 887 00:52:23,478 --> 00:52:25,646 Winton: Do we... Are we giving up on this one? 888 00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:29,484 - Skomal: It's just going in circles down on the bottom. - I gave up on it. 889 00:52:30,026 --> 00:52:32,695 Skomal: That looks like it's gonna work. 890 00:52:32,779 --> 00:52:35,990 I-I'm not so much interested what these animals do every week. 891 00:52:36,949 --> 00:52:38,117 Not even every day. 892 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,995 I wanna know what they're doing every minute, every second. 893 00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:42,455 And this is the tool to do that. 894 00:52:42,497 --> 00:52:45,416 I can look if this shark's accelerating toward a seal, 895 00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:47,460 and I'll see if it is because there's a camera. 896 00:52:47,502 --> 00:52:50,546 So we can start to look at its behavior in shallow water 897 00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:53,716 as it relates to its natural prey, the seals, 898 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,802 'cause we really, you know, believe that 899 00:52:55,843 --> 00:52:58,346 the better we understand that predator-prey relationship 900 00:52:58,429 --> 00:53:00,139 between sharks and seals, 901 00:53:00,181 --> 00:53:03,768 when, where, and how these sharks are attacking and killing seals, 902 00:53:03,851 --> 00:53:06,979 the better equipped we're gonna be to advise beach managers 903 00:53:07,021 --> 00:53:10,608 and the general public as to how to modify their behavior. 904 00:53:12,443 --> 00:53:13,712 Captain: This one's out pretty good, 905 00:53:13,736 --> 00:53:15,571 so go ahead and get, and get in position. 906 00:53:15,655 --> 00:53:17,198 Skomal: What's our depth here? 907 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,342 Captain: Seven feet, he's up. 908 00:53:18,366 --> 00:53:21,035 Skomal: Look at you doing a circle. 909 00:53:22,453 --> 00:53:25,289 Maybe he'll come to me. Come on, baby! 910 00:53:26,624 --> 00:53:29,210 It's definitely curious about us. 911 00:53:29,252 --> 00:53:31,170 Like, "What are you guys doing?" 912 00:53:31,212 --> 00:53:33,506 I wish he would go downwind. 913 00:53:37,552 --> 00:53:39,637 It's, it's got a lot of speed. 914 00:53:39,721 --> 00:53:42,640 - Winton: I really like this one. - Skomal: I do, too. 915 00:53:42,724 --> 00:53:45,643 It's got some really interesting evasive maneuvers. 916 00:53:45,727 --> 00:53:48,813 Captain: Maybe we can try the right side, I don't know. 917 00:53:48,896 --> 00:53:52,734 Skomal: Come up a little bit, turn in, go down sea. 918 00:53:52,817 --> 00:53:54,110 Go down. 919 00:53:54,193 --> 00:53:55,820 Oh, yeah. 920 00:53:57,238 --> 00:53:59,741 - Go for it! - Winton: Do it? 921 00:53:59,782 --> 00:54:03,703 Skomal: We got it! Oh, mother-fa-la-la-la. 922 00:54:03,745 --> 00:54:06,164 - Winton: Beautiful! - Captain: You got him, man. 923 00:54:20,636 --> 00:54:22,722 Winton: Isn't that amazing? 924 00:54:22,764 --> 00:54:25,808 And she's right back in working this area... 925 00:54:27,268 --> 00:54:29,103 right off the seals. 926 00:54:46,287 --> 00:54:47,538 After every trip, 927 00:54:47,622 --> 00:54:49,624 I wanna go through and see, like, who got a tag? 928 00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:52,502 Was it... is it a shark that we've identified in the past? 929 00:54:52,585 --> 00:54:55,588 Is it a shark that's, that's new that we've never seen before? 930 00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:59,425 So I always kind of scan through and look. 931 00:55:01,761 --> 00:55:03,805 This is a beautiful profile shot. 932 00:55:03,846 --> 00:55:05,890 So in this one, you can really appreciate she's got 933 00:55:05,973 --> 00:55:09,477 kind of like a rounded tip there, no big notches, 934 00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:12,021 but she's got a couple little more distinct notches. 935 00:55:12,105 --> 00:55:15,024 And there's different dorsal kind of shapes. 936 00:55:15,108 --> 00:55:18,653 Some of them have like a hooked edge of the dorsal. 937 00:55:18,736 --> 00:55:20,988 Um, ooh, this is a good one. 938 00:55:22,532 --> 00:55:24,575 When I'm first describing this process to people, 939 00:55:24,659 --> 00:55:27,328 a lot of times, they think I'm crazy 940 00:55:27,412 --> 00:55:28,538 when I tell them, like, 941 00:55:28,621 --> 00:55:30,790 "I can watch videos and tell sharks apart." 942 00:55:30,832 --> 00:55:32,834 They're like, "No, it's just a shark." 943 00:55:32,875 --> 00:55:36,379 But, um, they're really remarkably different. 944 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,471 When they've got great coloration on their tail, 945 00:55:45,513 --> 00:55:47,724 it's probably the most imaginative feature. 946 00:55:47,807 --> 00:55:50,017 It's kind of like looking for shapes in the clouds. 947 00:55:50,101 --> 00:55:53,521 All those little things that just kind of jog our memory, 948 00:55:53,604 --> 00:55:55,857 that's where a lot of them get their nicknames. 949 00:56:04,991 --> 00:56:07,952 A lot of people think they're kind of silly nicknames 950 00:56:08,035 --> 00:56:11,956 or that we're trying to make these animals seem more human, 951 00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:15,334 but it really is just a mental trick to help us 952 00:56:15,376 --> 00:56:18,046 keep these sharks straight. 953 00:56:25,887 --> 00:56:29,390 But to be able to actually have an actual view 954 00:56:29,474 --> 00:56:30,850 of what the shark is doing 955 00:56:30,892 --> 00:56:33,478 is really a game-changer in terms of understanding 956 00:56:33,561 --> 00:56:34,896 their movement, patterns, 957 00:56:34,937 --> 00:56:38,566 and to get a better feel for the species. 958 00:56:40,943 --> 00:56:45,073 I never, like, stop being amazed by that fact 959 00:56:45,114 --> 00:56:49,410 that we can go out and see sharks we've seen, you know, 960 00:56:49,452 --> 00:56:52,580 20 times before over the past five years. 961 00:56:54,749 --> 00:56:58,378 There's still so much to learn about these animals. 962 00:56:58,419 --> 00:57:00,171 A lot of people kind of take it for granted 963 00:57:00,254 --> 00:57:03,132 that this is the most famous shark species there is, 964 00:57:03,216 --> 00:57:04,592 but for a long time, 965 00:57:04,634 --> 00:57:06,719 the northwest Atlantic white shark population 966 00:57:06,761 --> 00:57:09,430 was the most mysterious white shark population 967 00:57:09,472 --> 00:57:10,848 on the face of the planet. 968 00:57:21,651 --> 00:57:24,487 Wilkinson: Part of the, the, the importance of nature 969 00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:26,781 and the life of a culture is 970 00:57:26,864 --> 00:57:29,117 that it intersects the life of the imagination. 971 00:57:30,243 --> 00:57:33,663 It expands the territory 972 00:57:33,746 --> 00:57:37,041 for what human thought can encompass. 973 00:57:37,125 --> 00:57:38,167 If I stand on the, 974 00:57:38,251 --> 00:57:39,877 on the shore at Longnook, 975 00:57:39,961 --> 00:57:41,713 and I say, "There are sharks out there, 976 00:57:41,796 --> 00:57:44,048 there are white sharks out there," 977 00:57:44,132 --> 00:57:48,177 I have expanded the range and the reach of my imagination. 978 00:57:48,261 --> 00:57:53,474 I am sharing that environment with a great creature, 979 00:57:53,558 --> 00:57:55,518 one of nature's creations. 980 00:58:00,857 --> 00:58:03,025 They are a force that throws us 981 00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:07,613 up against very mysterious aspects of life. 982 00:58:07,655 --> 00:58:11,159 Life, death, power, violence. 983 00:58:11,701 --> 00:58:16,789 The truly unsympathetic quality of life. 984 00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:22,962 We like to think that our lives are orderly 985 00:58:23,004 --> 00:58:25,506 and can be easily maintained, 986 00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:28,009 but sharks are one of the places where 987 00:58:28,051 --> 00:58:31,846 we don't find cooperation from the natural world, 988 00:58:31,888 --> 00:58:36,100 um, in terms of our sense of ownership and use. 989 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,977 Child: Oh, it's so cute! 990 01:00:11,988 --> 01:00:14,949 Yeah. 991 01:00:14,991 --> 01:00:16,701 Person: Have you seen anything? 992 01:00:17,618 --> 01:00:18,828 Doug Feeney: Nothing yet. 993 01:00:18,911 --> 01:00:21,080 Not moving, though. 994 01:00:21,122 --> 01:00:23,624 Person : No, no drift whatsoever. 995 01:00:23,708 --> 01:00:25,376 I, uh, I haven't seen shit out here. 996 01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:28,546 The only thing I got out here was some bait. 997 01:00:28,629 --> 01:00:31,090 Feeney: Yeah, right on. I'll let you know. 998 01:00:34,469 --> 01:00:37,680 Feeney: This collapse that we've had with the fish, 999 01:00:37,764 --> 01:00:39,307 it's not the seals. 1000 01:00:41,476 --> 01:00:43,644 I think they're just a scapegoat. 1001 01:00:43,728 --> 01:00:46,314 They privatized fishing, 1002 01:00:46,397 --> 01:00:49,150 and it became a huge success to some people, 1003 01:00:49,192 --> 01:00:52,487 to some organizations, and they made tons of money off of it. 1004 01:00:52,570 --> 01:00:55,323 And then, that's the new norm. 1005 01:00:58,910 --> 01:01:01,329 Cod fish, haddock. 1006 01:01:01,412 --> 01:01:04,040 We've fished the shit out of those fish. 1007 01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:09,462 Now we're stuck with underutilized species. 1008 01:01:09,504 --> 01:01:13,132 Skate wings and dogfish. 1009 01:01:13,174 --> 01:01:16,094 For us to get a basic day's wage 1010 01:01:16,177 --> 01:01:18,429 out of that underutilized species, 1011 01:01:18,513 --> 01:01:20,390 we gotta catch the limit. 1012 01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:24,685 A limit is 6,000 pounds of dogfish, 1013 01:01:24,769 --> 01:01:28,022 or 5,000 pounds of skate wing. 1014 01:01:29,232 --> 01:01:31,943 And this is such a multibillion-dollar industry, 1015 01:01:32,026 --> 01:01:36,030 it's never gonna change until we wipe it all the fuck out. 1016 01:01:45,373 --> 01:01:48,543 Like, there's something else going on down there. 1017 01:01:48,626 --> 01:01:50,044 The water's warm. 1018 01:01:50,086 --> 01:01:52,797 I think this might be the new norm. 1019 01:01:54,757 --> 01:01:56,843 We're warming up pretty quick here. 1020 01:01:56,884 --> 01:01:59,554 Things start moving and they move to colder waters, 1021 01:01:59,595 --> 01:02:01,556 so everything's marching north. 1022 01:02:08,813 --> 01:02:12,859 - Hey, Dre, a smooth-hound. - Dre: No way. Really? 1023 01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:14,902 - He's alive. - Wow! Cool! 1024 01:02:14,944 --> 01:02:17,447 Feeney: They only catch these down south, 1025 01:02:17,530 --> 01:02:19,073 but with global warming, 1026 01:02:19,157 --> 01:02:21,325 they're startin' to come up here. 1027 01:02:21,409 --> 01:02:24,495 All right, I gotta get him back in the water so he lives. 1028 01:02:26,038 --> 01:02:29,083 There he is. All right. 1029 01:02:29,125 --> 01:02:32,545 And we're gonna let him go swim. There he goes. 1030 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,774 David "Spider" Gibson: I've been here a long time, 1031 01:02:52,815 --> 01:02:54,984 and I've never seen a bonito in like that. 1032 01:02:55,068 --> 01:02:59,113 I've seen them come, but not that small ones. 1033 01:02:59,781 --> 01:03:02,033 They're a warm-water fish, you know, 1034 01:03:02,116 --> 01:03:03,576 they're from down south. 1035 01:03:05,203 --> 01:03:07,413 I've been on the pier for 25 years right here 1036 01:03:07,455 --> 01:03:11,501 and I've never seen anybody catch 'em like that. Never. 1037 01:03:11,584 --> 01:03:13,669 So that tells me something. 1038 01:03:21,052 --> 01:03:22,095 Wilkinson: Human beings, 1039 01:03:22,136 --> 01:03:23,596 since the Industrial Revolution, 1040 01:03:23,638 --> 01:03:24,931 have grown up amidst 1041 01:03:24,972 --> 01:03:27,141 extraordinary technological changes, 1042 01:03:27,183 --> 01:03:30,645 but not among extraordinary natural changes, 1043 01:03:30,686 --> 01:03:35,066 and that's what's happening to our generations. 1044 01:03:35,149 --> 01:03:36,776 And that's a totally different thing 1045 01:03:36,818 --> 01:03:39,153 'cause we're not in control of them. 1046 01:03:41,155 --> 01:03:43,574 Wendy Puryear: There's this pretty significant shift 1047 01:03:43,658 --> 01:03:47,453 that is happening in species on, on a global level. 1048 01:03:47,495 --> 01:03:48,371 You have animals 1049 01:03:48,454 --> 01:03:50,790 from the lower latitudes that are coming up 1050 01:03:50,832 --> 01:03:52,708 because the waters are getting warm 1051 01:03:52,792 --> 01:03:54,168 and food sources are moving up 1052 01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:58,172 so the predators are following them. 1053 01:03:58,256 --> 01:04:01,467 And then, at the same time, the polar ice caps are melting 1054 01:04:01,509 --> 01:04:04,387 so there are a lot of animals from those higher latitudes 1055 01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:06,848 that are coming down looking for prey, 1056 01:04:06,931 --> 01:04:09,183 they're looking for suitable habitat. 1057 01:04:11,060 --> 01:04:13,855 Here we are right at that, that middle crux 1058 01:04:13,938 --> 01:04:16,691 of everything kind of all coming together. 1059 01:04:18,234 --> 01:04:20,611 Even if we want to be completely selfish 1060 01:04:20,695 --> 01:04:23,698 and focused on our own personal human well-being, 1061 01:04:23,781 --> 01:04:27,827 it's important that we understand what's happening in the ecosystem. 1062 01:04:32,248 --> 01:04:33,708 Puryear: Since my graduate work, 1063 01:04:33,791 --> 01:04:38,004 I've been trying to understand how viruses evolve, 1064 01:04:39,547 --> 01:04:44,594 looking at influenza, primarily in wild birds. 1065 01:04:44,677 --> 01:04:47,388 Water fowl is where you find a lot of influenza, 1066 01:04:47,472 --> 01:04:49,766 naturally circulating in the wild. 1067 01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:53,519 We're talking about gulls, and shorebirds, and ducks. 1068 01:04:53,561 --> 01:04:56,230 They share habitat with marine mammals, 1069 01:04:56,272 --> 01:04:58,524 and particularly with seals. 1070 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,112 We know that you can get spillover, 1071 01:05:03,196 --> 01:05:06,699 a transmission that happens from one species to another. 1072 01:05:07,617 --> 01:05:10,328 Perhaps people have heard about so-called bird flu 1073 01:05:10,369 --> 01:05:11,537 and swine flu. 1074 01:05:13,748 --> 01:05:17,585 Even though we have not been seeing signs of virus in seals, 1075 01:05:17,627 --> 01:05:20,838 we wonder, did that necessarily mean there was no virus 1076 01:05:20,922 --> 01:05:23,925 or was it possible that virus was circulating out there 1077 01:05:24,008 --> 01:05:25,593 without seeing disease? 1078 01:05:27,845 --> 01:05:29,597 So we went out to Muskeget Island 1079 01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:33,393 to see whether or not we could detect virus. 1080 01:05:48,116 --> 01:05:50,201 Oh, nice. 1081 01:05:54,163 --> 01:05:55,265 Person 1: We're gonna roll, ready? 1082 01:05:55,289 --> 01:05:56,266 Person 2: You wanna roll him this way? 1083 01:05:56,290 --> 01:05:57,834 Puryear: Yeah. 1084 01:05:57,917 --> 01:05:59,627 Person 1: Watch that back end, there. 1085 01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:06,676 Nice. Okay. 1086 01:06:20,648 --> 01:06:22,191 He's very feisty. 1087 01:06:27,822 --> 01:06:29,323 Puryear: Good boy. 1088 01:06:31,617 --> 01:06:33,536 - Oh. - Oh. 1089 01:06:38,249 --> 01:06:39,768 Person 1: Are you ready? Everybody's out? 1090 01:06:39,792 --> 01:06:41,895 -Puryear: We're good. -Person 2: Yeah, you're good. Hop off. 1091 01:06:41,919 --> 01:06:45,089 Nice job. Whoo! 1092 01:06:45,173 --> 01:06:48,342 Good job. That was not an easy one. 1093 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,781 Puryear: So we went out and did these health assessments. 1094 01:06:52,805 --> 01:06:54,515 We were thinking that there could be virus, 1095 01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:56,100 that's why we went out and looked, 1096 01:06:56,142 --> 01:06:59,062 but weren't really expecting to find a whole lot. 1097 01:06:59,145 --> 01:07:01,522 We were actually pretty surprised to find that 1098 01:07:01,606 --> 01:07:05,526 about 10% of them, we were able to detect influenza virus. 1099 01:07:05,568 --> 01:07:08,196 And that's actually a pretty high level, 1100 01:07:08,279 --> 01:07:10,698 even for wild bird reservoirs. 1101 01:07:11,824 --> 01:07:13,367 It's a very real concern, 1102 01:07:13,409 --> 01:07:14,702 because if you have a scenario 1103 01:07:14,744 --> 01:07:16,464 where a virus is circulating in the animals, 1104 01:07:16,537 --> 01:07:18,915 otherwise they seem like they're healthy and just fine, 1105 01:07:18,998 --> 01:07:23,378 that gives the virus the opportunity to continue to circulate in that population. 1106 01:07:26,714 --> 01:07:28,007 There, finally. 1107 01:07:28,049 --> 01:07:29,592 Ready? One, two, three. 1108 01:07:29,675 --> 01:07:30,718 Puryear: Nice work. 1109 01:07:30,802 --> 01:07:32,428 Person: Nice job. 1110 01:07:32,512 --> 01:07:34,972 Puryear: Even if you're just thinking about a virus 1111 01:07:35,056 --> 01:07:36,974 that's circulating in a gray seal, 1112 01:07:37,016 --> 01:07:39,519 the gray seal doesn't live in a bubble. 1113 01:07:42,271 --> 01:07:47,110 It's not easy for a virus to be able to move from one species to another, 1114 01:07:47,193 --> 01:07:48,986 but if you have an animal 1115 01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:51,280 like manatees coming up from Florida, 1116 01:07:51,364 --> 01:07:54,909 maybe they have never had exposure to influenza 1117 01:07:54,992 --> 01:07:56,244 ever as a species, 1118 01:07:56,285 --> 01:07:59,247 so if they come into contact with gray seals 1119 01:07:59,330 --> 01:08:01,165 that are, are shedding out influenza, 1120 01:08:01,249 --> 01:08:03,418 that introduces a higher likelihood 1121 01:08:03,459 --> 01:08:06,587 of having that cross-species interaction. 1122 01:08:06,629 --> 01:08:09,215 All of those different reassortments 1123 01:08:09,257 --> 01:08:11,092 that can happen in wild animals, 1124 01:08:11,175 --> 01:08:13,761 the training ground on another mammalian host, 1125 01:08:13,845 --> 01:08:16,013 and then the opportunity for those new variants 1126 01:08:16,097 --> 01:08:17,306 to come into humans 1127 01:08:17,389 --> 01:08:20,560 that we don't have a pre-existing immunity to, 1128 01:08:20,601 --> 01:08:23,688 is a sort of scenario that leaves us incredibly susceptible 1129 01:08:23,771 --> 01:08:26,524 to that becoming a pandemic situation. 1130 01:08:29,777 --> 01:08:31,904 It's easy to get caught up 1131 01:08:31,946 --> 01:08:36,784 in the kind of "Jaws" -esque angle to things, 1132 01:08:36,826 --> 01:08:38,536 and take our eye off the bigger picture 1133 01:08:38,619 --> 01:08:40,288 that really we should be thinking about, 1134 01:08:40,371 --> 01:08:42,456 which is that the health of one species 1135 01:08:42,540 --> 01:08:45,043 really does impact all of us. 1136 01:09:02,810 --> 01:09:05,396 Franchitto: The, uh, black flag is up. 1137 01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:07,647 Uh, apparently, they sighted a shark at this beach. 1138 01:09:07,732 --> 01:09:09,984 So the water's clear for an hour. 1139 01:09:10,067 --> 01:09:12,361 - Beachgoer: For an hour? - Yeah. 1140 01:09:12,445 --> 01:09:14,155 - So... - Beachgoer: Okay. 1141 01:09:14,197 --> 01:09:15,966 I just thought... Yeah, I just found out myself. 1142 01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:17,658 - Beachgoer: Oh. - Yeah. 1143 01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:20,179 - Beachgoer: They know how to deal with that, I guess. - Yeah. I guess. 1144 01:09:20,203 --> 01:09:21,536 You know, just be careful. Yeah. 1145 01:09:21,621 --> 01:09:24,331 - Beachgoer: Thanks for telling us. - Yep, you got it. 1146 01:09:44,268 --> 01:09:47,146 I think I'll just have a small dish of twist, 1147 01:09:47,188 --> 01:09:48,313 chocolate vanilla twist. 1148 01:09:48,356 --> 01:09:51,984 - Server: Okay. - That's all I'll have, yeah. 1149 01:09:52,026 --> 01:09:53,777 Hello. 1150 01:09:59,450 --> 01:10:01,536 Franchitto: I think we'd be better off if we realize 1151 01:10:01,577 --> 01:10:05,248 that we're one strand in the web of life... 1152 01:10:07,125 --> 01:10:08,668 instead of thinking ourselves as 1153 01:10:08,710 --> 01:10:13,756 the dominant species that can control everything. 1154 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,595 Humankind must learn humility in the face of nature. 1155 01:10:23,057 --> 01:10:24,350 If you go out in the water, 1156 01:10:24,392 --> 01:10:27,729 you gotta take that chance, however slim it is. 1157 01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,491 Here you go. 1158 01:10:40,575 --> 01:10:43,411 This is... this is the oldie but goodie right here. 1159 01:10:43,453 --> 01:10:44,579 I used to be, like, 1160 01:10:44,662 --> 01:10:47,039 four feet tall riding this thing, 1161 01:10:47,081 --> 01:10:48,583 getting pushed into the wave. 1162 01:10:55,339 --> 01:10:57,219 Kartsounis: Do you think you might go out today? 1163 01:10:57,550 --> 01:11:00,720 I would like to just because of what the event is. 1164 01:11:01,220 --> 01:11:02,805 Been a big part of my childhood, so... 1165 01:11:02,889 --> 01:11:06,809 But I haven't surfed on Cape since the day it happened, so... 1166 01:11:06,893 --> 01:11:08,293 Kartsounis: It's one of those things 1167 01:11:08,352 --> 01:11:10,271 where you have to kind of weigh everything, 1168 01:11:10,354 --> 01:11:12,940 and, uh, I understand, so just let me know. 1169 01:11:13,024 --> 01:11:15,443 I mean, you-you don't have to paddle out. 1170 01:11:15,526 --> 01:11:17,278 - You don't have to do anything. - Right. 1171 01:11:17,361 --> 01:11:19,614 - You just sit there and watch. - Yeah. 1172 01:11:22,450 --> 01:11:24,118 Announcer: You are all welcome 1173 01:11:24,202 --> 01:11:27,955 to the 373rd version 1174 01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:31,459 of the Oldtimers Classic. 1175 01:11:31,501 --> 01:11:36,255 It is time for us all to ride the wild surf. 1176 01:11:36,297 --> 01:11:38,257 Social Security, you're up next. 1177 01:11:38,299 --> 01:11:40,635 Social Security, 4:00, up front. 1178 01:11:40,676 --> 01:11:42,178 Bring your board down. 1179 01:11:42,261 --> 01:11:44,680 The real Cape Cod Oldtimers here. 1180 01:11:44,764 --> 01:11:46,367 Whoo-hoo! Here we go! 1181 01:11:46,391 --> 01:11:48,768 Announcer: Give 'em a hero's welcome. 1182 01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:50,353 John, oh, my God. 1183 01:11:50,436 --> 01:11:51,996 Yeah, I thought this was a single thing. 1184 01:11:52,063 --> 01:11:53,731 I know. Sweet, guys. 1185 01:11:53,815 --> 01:11:55,149 Announcer: And off you go! 1186 01:11:55,191 --> 01:11:57,527 Announcer: Ride the wild surf! 1187 01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:59,320 Surfer 1: All right. Here we go. 1188 01:11:59,404 --> 01:12:02,240 - Surfer 2: Whoo! - Surfer 1: Here we go! 1189 01:12:22,176 --> 01:12:26,055 - John's coming in. - He's gonna get up in a little... 1190 01:12:26,139 --> 01:12:27,265 Oh! 1191 01:12:27,348 --> 01:12:29,016 He gave up... 1192 01:12:41,028 --> 01:12:44,657 Clementin, come on down! Clementin, please come over! 1193 01:12:44,699 --> 01:12:47,201 Grab your board. Come on. I see you hiding. 1194 01:12:47,285 --> 01:12:49,537 I see you hiding. 1195 01:12:49,620 --> 01:12:52,206 - Surfer: Katie! - Katie! 1196 01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:54,208 Katie! 1197 01:12:55,877 --> 01:12:57,003 And Alexandra! 1198 01:12:57,045 --> 01:12:59,630 Announcer: Okay, let's hear it 1199 01:12:59,714 --> 01:13:02,258 for the women surfers of Cape Cod! 1200 01:13:16,981 --> 01:13:17,899 Dana, what'd you do? 1201 01:13:17,982 --> 01:13:19,662 I heard you had the first wave of the heat. 1202 01:13:19,692 --> 01:13:21,587 - Franchitto: That's why I took it. - You did. 1203 01:13:21,611 --> 01:13:22,904 - Taylor: Yes. - I did? Okay. 1204 01:13:22,987 --> 01:13:24,787 It's the longest wave I've ever seen you ride. 1205 01:13:24,822 --> 01:13:26,258 Taylor: Yeah. You were rocking out there. 1206 01:13:26,282 --> 01:13:28,093 - I was, like, screaming for you. - Franchitto: Oh, yeah. 1207 01:13:28,117 --> 01:13:30,244 I heard the screaming and I'm like, "Wow." 1208 01:13:30,286 --> 01:13:34,499 Announcer: Third place, we have Dana Ducktape. Dana! 1209 01:13:34,582 --> 01:13:38,878 Announcer: Second place, Alexandria K... 1210 01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,714 because I can't pronounce her last name. 1211 01:13:41,756 --> 01:13:43,549 There she is. Thank you. 1212 01:14:04,654 --> 01:14:06,322 Sette: Holy moly. Look at that. 1213 01:14:06,406 --> 01:14:11,077 Two of their... one, one of their engines is the value of this. 1214 01:14:12,745 --> 01:14:14,705 We're heading to the outer harbor. 1215 01:14:14,789 --> 01:14:17,583 There's several hundred gray seals that, 1216 01:14:17,625 --> 01:14:19,961 they don't literally haul out, 1217 01:14:20,044 --> 01:14:23,923 but they sit on the bottom where it's really shallow. 1218 01:14:25,425 --> 01:14:29,095 All these animals, it's always just the balance between, like, 1219 01:14:29,137 --> 01:14:34,142 food, rest, growth, sex, 1220 01:14:34,183 --> 01:14:36,936 and escaping predators, so, 1221 01:14:36,978 --> 01:14:39,480 like, "Let's find that niche of the beach 1222 01:14:39,522 --> 01:14:42,692 where I can take a nap and not get eaten." 1223 01:15:13,347 --> 01:15:15,641 Sette: Oh, wow. 1224 01:15:15,683 --> 01:15:18,227 There's a dead humpback. 1225 01:15:18,311 --> 01:15:19,479 Bryan Legare: Where? 1226 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,273 Sette: West of the southwest corner, 1227 01:15:22,356 --> 01:15:24,567 right out here. 1228 01:15:24,650 --> 01:15:25,985 Legare: Do we go? 1229 01:15:26,027 --> 01:15:27,320 Um... 1230 01:15:33,534 --> 01:15:35,578 Legare: I said, uh, "Scott, Bryan here. 1231 01:15:35,661 --> 01:15:37,497 "Uh, we heard there's a dead whale. 1232 01:15:37,538 --> 01:15:38,831 "Skomal is on the water. 1233 01:15:38,873 --> 01:15:41,167 And if he had a better location, that would help us." 1234 01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:43,669 It's a... you know, it's the needle in the haystack. 1235 01:15:43,711 --> 01:15:46,255 Like, in your mind a dead whale is gonna be huge. 1236 01:15:46,339 --> 01:15:49,133 It's actually really... They're really hard to find. 1237 01:16:21,124 --> 01:16:22,667 Sette: Wow. 1238 01:16:24,085 --> 01:16:26,546 - Look at all the petrels. - Legare: Yeah. 1239 01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:29,048 Sette: So, you can see all the little bits 1240 01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:31,509 that's kind of broke down on the whale. 1241 01:16:31,592 --> 01:16:34,345 That's wonderful fat for a small seabird 1242 01:16:34,429 --> 01:16:36,389 like a Wilson's storm petrel. 1243 01:16:40,935 --> 01:16:44,272 A whale floating at the surface like this, as it breaks down, 1244 01:16:44,355 --> 01:16:48,025 it's gonna provide lots of feeding opportunities for these birds. 1245 01:16:48,109 --> 01:16:50,111 And these birds will migrate south. 1246 01:16:50,153 --> 01:16:52,572 And they're so small, so fat stores for them. 1247 01:16:52,613 --> 01:16:53,948 It's really important. 1248 01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:56,367 So a boost like this will probably be good for this... 1249 01:16:56,451 --> 01:17:00,037 Look at how many there are just trailing behind us here. 1250 01:17:00,121 --> 01:17:01,664 It's beautiful. 1251 01:17:06,169 --> 01:17:08,254 Legare: You can see how quickly, you know, 1252 01:17:08,296 --> 01:17:11,716 this animal's being reclaimed into the ecosystem. 1253 01:17:14,802 --> 01:17:16,679 Sette: It's powerful, right? 1254 01:17:16,763 --> 01:17:19,766 Most people don't think about whales when they die. 1255 01:17:22,268 --> 01:17:25,646 Right now, it's gassed up, but if, if they create a cavity 1256 01:17:25,688 --> 01:17:28,649 and the gas is released, it'll sink. 1257 01:17:28,733 --> 01:17:30,818 That's when it becomes whale fall 1258 01:17:30,902 --> 01:17:32,070 and sinks to the bottom. 1259 01:17:32,153 --> 01:17:35,323 And then everything on the bottom has a meal. 1260 01:17:41,913 --> 01:17:43,331 There have been sharks here. 1261 01:17:43,623 --> 01:17:47,001 Legare: Yeah. Those definitely look like some shark bites. 1262 01:17:47,043 --> 01:17:50,505 Sette: That big open area on the top of the whale, 1263 01:17:50,588 --> 01:17:53,466 those are all, all bites. 1264 01:17:53,508 --> 01:17:56,094 - Legare: Tow boat's here. - Sette: Yeah, tow boat's here. 1265 01:17:56,177 --> 01:17:59,138 That's Noah. That's Noah Santos. 1266 01:17:59,180 --> 01:18:01,349 He's got a shark cage right there. 1267 01:18:03,601 --> 01:18:05,353 Oh, my God. He is going in that water. 1268 01:18:05,436 --> 01:18:06,562 - What? - Legare: Yeah. 1269 01:18:06,646 --> 01:18:08,689 Sette: That is amazing. 1270 01:18:09,107 --> 01:18:11,526 Legare: Part of the culture of Cape Cod. 1271 01:18:16,364 --> 01:18:18,825 Sette: Oh, Lord. 1272 01:18:28,710 --> 01:18:31,188 - Legare: That's not a whale watch though. - Sette: That's the "Ock." 1273 01:18:31,212 --> 01:18:32,648 Legare: Oh, that's Greg that's on that. 1274 01:18:32,672 --> 01:18:33,857 - Sette: Greg Skomal? - Legare: Yeah. 1275 01:18:33,881 --> 01:18:36,175 - Sette: Oh, cool. So he's here. - Legare: Yeah. 1276 01:18:37,385 --> 01:18:39,178 Sette: Oh, yeah. No worries. How's it going? 1277 01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:44,767 - Oh, yeah. - Legare: Mm-hmm. 1278 01:18:48,604 --> 01:18:49,689 Legare: Yeah. 1279 01:18:50,898 --> 01:18:52,191 Legare: Yeah. 1280 01:18:58,156 --> 01:19:02,910 Sette: So, Bryan, you see the elliptical marks on the side here? 1281 01:19:02,994 --> 01:19:04,722 - Legare: Yeah. - Sette: There's a shark fin right there. 1282 01:19:04,746 --> 01:19:06,890 - I just saw a shark fin. - Legare: You just saw a shark fin? 1283 01:19:06,914 --> 01:19:08,916 Dorsal fin, yup. You guys look this way. 1284 01:19:08,958 --> 01:19:11,061 - There was just a shark tip. - Yeah, right in the back. 1285 01:19:11,085 --> 01:19:14,714 Sette: Yep. Oh, oh! Was that a... Oh. Was that a white or a blue? 1286 01:19:14,756 --> 01:19:17,300 - Legare: Uh, that's not a white. - Sette: Okay. 1287 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,870 - Sette: Oh! Right behind, that's a shark! - Legare: Oh, look at that. 1288 01:19:27,894 --> 01:19:29,694 - Sette: Yeah. - Legare: That's a white shark. 1289 01:19:29,729 --> 01:19:31,773 Sette: White shark! 1290 01:19:31,856 --> 01:19:33,691 - Legare: Big one. - Sette: Yeah. 1291 01:19:33,775 --> 01:19:35,359 - RV "Ock," RV "Ock." - Legare: Yeah! 1292 01:19:35,443 --> 01:19:38,488 Sette: This is "Volta" on 82. 1293 01:19:38,571 --> 01:19:39,530 Legare: Holy! 1294 01:19:39,572 --> 01:19:40,812 Sette: Oh, why you coming to me? 1295 01:19:40,865 --> 01:19:42,342 - Legare: That's a... - Sette: He is looking at us. 1296 01:19:42,366 --> 01:19:43,910 - Don't come on my... - Legare: Tagged. 1297 01:19:43,951 --> 01:19:46,537 Sette: Yeah. Get the dorsal fin, Bryan. 1298 01:20:00,802 --> 01:20:04,013 Legare: It's big. It's really big. 1299 01:20:08,393 --> 01:20:12,397 Person: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 1300 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,315 Holy fucking shit. 1301 01:20:14,357 --> 01:20:16,275 Oh, my God. 1302 01:20:29,872 --> 01:20:33,334 Noah Santos: Fucking shit. Get me out of this! 1303 01:20:33,418 --> 01:20:36,963 Person: Oh, my God. 1304 01:20:37,004 --> 01:20:39,048 Santos: It's like watching Jaws go by. 1305 01:20:39,132 --> 01:20:40,883 Person: Oh, my God, babe, you did it! 1306 01:20:40,967 --> 01:20:43,010 - Santos: Whoo! - Person: Whoo! 1307 01:20:43,094 --> 01:20:46,431 Santos: Check that off the bucket list. Holy shit! 1308 01:21:48,242 --> 01:21:52,413 Mayo: The ecosystem provides balance and stability 1309 01:21:52,497 --> 01:21:55,625 if we'll just give it balance and stability. 1310 01:21:58,252 --> 01:22:03,257 Those of us who live here see little snapshots. 1311 01:22:03,299 --> 01:22:06,427 As this ecosystem changes, 1312 01:22:06,511 --> 01:22:10,515 the snapshots become more telling. 1313 01:22:10,598 --> 01:22:13,851 One can imagine that Native Americans, 1314 01:22:13,935 --> 01:22:15,269 who lived on these shores, 1315 01:22:15,311 --> 01:22:17,105 probably saw little difference 1316 01:22:17,188 --> 01:22:20,858 in, in the coming and going of fish and birds, 1317 01:22:20,942 --> 01:22:22,860 and, and whales, 1318 01:22:22,944 --> 01:22:27,073 probably for millennia. 1319 01:22:27,115 --> 01:22:30,535 Now in a lifetime we're seeing those differences. 1320 01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:36,916 My grandfather said that when my ancestors came here, 1321 01:22:36,958 --> 01:22:39,460 there was an abundance of fish such that 1322 01:22:39,544 --> 01:22:42,296 in this very location, right in the harbor, 1323 01:22:42,380 --> 01:22:46,843 they fished with big wicker baskets. 1324 01:22:46,926 --> 01:22:48,761 It was a time of balance. 1325 01:22:48,803 --> 01:22:55,435 And this ecosystem right now one feels, I certainly feel, 1326 01:22:55,476 --> 01:22:58,396 is in a state where it's trying to find the balance. 1327 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:04,026 But human activities have imbalanced the system. 1328 01:23:04,110 --> 01:23:05,528 Finding that balance, 1329 01:23:05,611 --> 01:23:10,158 and finding how humans can live with that balance is not easy. 1330 01:23:24,213 --> 01:23:26,674 - Really looks pretty today. - Person: Yeah. 1331 01:23:28,259 --> 01:23:30,362 - Did you see the whale? - Blake: No, I didn't. Did you? 1332 01:23:30,386 --> 01:23:32,239 Person: I... Yeah. Your mother, when she went down 1333 01:23:32,263 --> 01:23:33,931 and said there's a whale coming, 1334 01:23:34,015 --> 01:23:36,476 - I saw the spout. - Blake: Oh, nice. 1335 01:23:37,477 --> 01:23:40,021 We're going up because we're gonna pull the chair up. 1336 01:23:40,104 --> 01:23:41,498 Oh, you're pulling the chair up too? 1337 01:23:41,522 --> 01:23:42,875 - All right. - Blake: Yep. - Person: Thanks, Dana. 1338 01:23:42,899 --> 01:23:44,168 I don't know if there's any space. 1339 01:23:44,192 --> 01:23:46,277 Blake: That's all right. We'll figure it out. Thanks. 1340 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,404 The lifeguards are taking up their chairs, 1341 01:23:48,488 --> 01:23:50,215 - so there's no more lifeguards. - Beachgoer: Oh. 1342 01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:52,033 Yeah, if there's a shark out there, 1343 01:23:52,116 --> 01:23:54,535 you won't know unless you happen to see the fin. 1344 01:24:03,211 --> 01:24:05,380 Person: Up, up, up, up, up! 1345 01:24:16,849 --> 01:24:19,727 Wilkinson: When my parents bought a piece of land in Wellfleet, 1346 01:24:19,769 --> 01:24:21,813 there were no houses, it was all woods. 1347 01:24:24,732 --> 01:24:28,736 In those days, you felt you'd reached an outpost. 1348 01:24:29,612 --> 01:24:33,408 The land was wild and uncontaminated. 1349 01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:39,330 Only by a, a thumbnail is the Cape still a wild place. 1350 01:24:39,414 --> 01:24:42,917 You know, it's this tiny little vest pocket park. 1351 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,627 Too many people use it. 1352 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,297 It's just holding on, 1353 01:24:48,381 --> 01:24:51,217 just holding on for its ecological life. 1354 01:25:07,483 --> 01:25:08,877 Blake: I mean, I'm a little worried, 1355 01:25:08,901 --> 01:25:11,320 because, like, we're still in peak shark season 1356 01:25:11,404 --> 01:25:13,465 and people are still going to be coming to the beach. 1357 01:25:13,489 --> 01:25:14,800 I mean, some of us will be around. 1358 01:25:14,824 --> 01:25:17,577 So, we'll keep an eye out, like, unofficially. 1359 01:25:21,122 --> 01:25:22,623 We'll definitely be looking for sharks 1360 01:25:22,665 --> 01:25:24,083 'cause we can never turn it off, 1361 01:25:24,125 --> 01:25:25,543 and we can never stop lifeguarding. 1362 01:25:25,626 --> 01:25:28,838 Hopefully people will pay attention.103177

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