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Lifeguard: Okay, um... one thing
that we need to keep in mind,
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let's say we get a
ping on the shark buoy.
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If you use the phone
to let somebody know,
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you still need to, like,
let the other beaches know.
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The other thing is, is that
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if you close your beach because
you visually see a shark,
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you need to let your
parking lot person know.
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If it's not a
confirmed sighting,
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you're closing the beach,
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you know, it's...
it's-it, it's on you.
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Any questions?
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Okay.
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Person: Have a great day.
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Definitely now it's a lot more
stressful and less carefree.
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We still have all the hazards
that we dealt with before,
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like rip currents and
all of those things.
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And then on top of
that, we have this
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additional hazard
called white sharks.
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- How are you?
- Person: It's very hot.
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Suzy Blake: It's good
to see you. I know.
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I'm glad you're
back this summer.
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Person: Me too.
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Police Officer: Thanks
for coming out to
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Cape Cod National Seashore.
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It's a wild marine environment,
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with sharks returning
as the top predators.
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Sharks are here. They're
a dangerous animal.
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Recreation has been
established in their absence.
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That is what is so
unique about Cape Cod
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relative to other areas
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where sharks are present
around the world.
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Blake: So this is our boat.
This was new last year.
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We got a lot of new
tools and equipment
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after the fatality.
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If we see people swimming
far out, it makes us nervous,
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so we will tell them to come in.
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That's another new thing
that has come about
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because of the sharks.
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How big do you think they are?
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Blake: Well, we get a
lot of different ones,
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and they'll be anywhere
from like eight feet
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all the way up to
like 14, 15 feet.
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It's such an incredible thing
that's, um, happening here.
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But, you know, I realize that
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not everybody... not
everybody sees it that way.
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When you're at a place
like Cape Cod where,
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let's face it, multiple species love
this area for different reasons,
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um, and there's overlap here
of white sharks and humans.
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And it's hard because a lot of people
who have lived here for decades,
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they didn't have
to think about this
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until the past 10 years or so.
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And so it's been a big...
A big shift for them.
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- GoPros?
- GoPros.
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- All the accoutrements.
- Check. Yes.
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- Hi, folks.
- Beachgoer: How are ya?
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Good. Good. Have a
good time out there?
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Beachgoer: Yeah, so
let them people know,
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as they're coming in there
was a shark sighting,
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so they can't get in the water
for at least another 45 minutes.
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Oh, yeah. You... I told...
I forgot to tell them, yeah.
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Hi. Good. How are you?
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- I'm good.
- Good.
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How you been? Staying
out of trouble?
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Oh, come on. That's no fun.
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Yeah.
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Bye-bye.
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Guide : And
the spring line is clear.
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No turning back now.
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You're on for the whale watch.
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Guide: Now, what
are we gonna see?
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Uh, fin whale, humpback
whale, minke whale.
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Uh, we do occasionally see
great white sharks out here.
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But you won't see a shark
unless it's feeding.
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And if it is, it's
very colorful.
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Paul Tasha: Remember that year when
you were seeing an average of like...
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four or five sharks every day?
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Tom Smith: Oh, yeah. I didn't even
wanna tell you how many I saw that day.
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One came up next to the
boat in shallow water.
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We were hauling back.
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It literally took
my breath away.
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It was... honest to God,
I'm not exaggerating.
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It was like "Jaws."
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Tasha: I'll tell you
why I believe you.
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The only one I got a really
good look at underwater
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was that kind of big.
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And I'm looking at it,
and, you know, it just had
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that slow, massive look to it,
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like, I mean, do fucking great
whites even get that big?
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It, it had to be like, this
big a... I'm not shitting you.
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It was like this
fucking big around.
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The only two I've seen was when
it was really good visibility,
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which leads me to wonder how many I
didn't see when it was shitty and murky.
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Alec Wilkinson: There
was a time some years ago
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that I was writing
about scientists
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who were working with
the sharks in Cape Cod.
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They arrived with all
the fanfare of saying,
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oh, they'll be tagging
all these sharks,
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catching all these sharks.
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Well, they caught two
the entire expedition.
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And I went out there, you
know, on my first day,
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went thinking I'd see a
shark, and that'd be it,
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and I'd go home
and write my piece.
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Well, I had to keep
going back for 11 days.
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The sharks weren't
abundant then.
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They would be quite some
distance from shore.
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Every once in a while,
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they'd be found near
shore, maybe near Chatham,
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but they were, were
not near the beaches.
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Beachgoer: Okay. We're in
Truro at Ballston Beach,
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where someone's been...
I don't know what.
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Do we know what
happened here, anyone?
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Bitten by something or...?
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Reporter: Chris Myers was
in the water with his son
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when a great white sunk
his teeth into his leg.
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He managed to get free and
was taken to the hospital
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with eight deep gouges
and some torn tendons.
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Wilkinson: It seemed
like more and more sharks
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were arriving each
year, and suddenly,
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you're really getting
them near the beaches.
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In August of 2018,
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we were on the beach one
afternoon about to go in the water
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when we heard what
sounded like shouting,
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maybe a hundred
yards down the beach.
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Dispatcher : Call at
Longnook Beach for a subject
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possibly bitten by a
shark in the thigh.
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Jeff Souza: We got a call
for a possible shark bite
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at Longnook Beach.
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I said, "Oh, there's no
way this is a shark bite,
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because it's very
rare around here."
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But once I saw it,
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I knew that it was not
just something small.
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This was like something
completely different.
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He was bleeding considerably.
He had been bitten on the leg.
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Reporter: Sixty-two-year-old
William Lytton
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attacked in waist-deep
water off Truro Beach.
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Reporter 2: He
escaped by punching
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the shark in the gills,
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something he had seen
on a nature show.
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Wilkinson: But not until
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the poor boy was
killed in Wellfleet,
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did it really seem like,
"Okay, now they're here."
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Dana Franchitto: It was
such a joyous summer day.
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Late summer day.
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Everybody's having fun,
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whether you're surfing,
boogie boarding,
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swimming, beachcombing.
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Drew Taylor: As good as a day
you could ask for on the Cape.
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And, like, families were on the beach
and there were surf breaks all over.
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And then Arthur was
down here with his,
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you know, good
friend, uh, Isaac.
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Reporter: Twenty-six-year-old
Arthur Medici,
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on his boogie board with
his friend, Isaac Rocha...
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Mitzi Riley: About
9:30, I was by myself.
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I walked way down the
beach, same as always.
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And there was two people in the water
already with their boogie boards,
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putting on an incredible show,
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and I was their little personal
cheerleader up on the hill.
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I heard a tone.
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And as I stood, I saw the blood.
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Isaac was screaming at
the top of his lungs
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to help him, help him, help him.
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Now, I'm looking down
that hill and I says,
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"Just what the
fuck are you going to do?"
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I went in.
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A wave came up
over Arthur's face
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and I got underneath and
pulled him up on top of me,
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because we couldn't
move him any further.
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I did look down at one point,
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and saw that his legs
were kind of laced open,
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but no blood.
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There was no blood around us.
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All the blood was... long gone.
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I, uh... told both boys
how much I loved them
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and I kissed them both
and hollered for God,
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and cried and waited
for help to come.
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I had no clue what the
hell had just happened.
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Beachgoer : I'm
at, uh, Newcomb Hollow Beach
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in Wellfleet, Massachusetts.
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I've just seen a surfer
get bit by a shark.
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It's about 300 yards
down the beach.
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- I saw the whole thing happen.
- Dispatcher: Okay. Okay, sir...
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Beachgoer: But It was
a hell of a hit, man.
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I saw the whole thing happen.
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It looks like
they're carrying him
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off the beach right now.
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Reporter:
At this time,
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I have a report of an
unknown shark bite.
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Riley: The lifeguards were
trying to work on him.
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We have an
unconscious male. Severe leg injuries.
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Riley: There was no
helping this poor boy.
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That morning I got the call.
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We're inbound from a closed
area way to the east,
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70 miles to the east of P-Town.
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And as soon as I got
service, my daughter called.
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She's like, "I think my
friend got killed by a shark."
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Franchitto: After
he was taken away,
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it was such a stunned silence.
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We just didn't know.
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We're kind of looking at
each other like, "Wow.
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Did we just get
punched in the face?"
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That's what it kind of
felt like, you know?
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That is just... It's
such a haunting story.
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I feel so for his family and...
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Violence can intersect
any moment practically,
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it seems like,
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but one wouldn't have thought
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of a sunny afternoon off
the coast of New England
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that a shadow was waiting.
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Reporter: It's the first fatal shark attack
Cape Cod has seen in more than 80 years.
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Reporter 2: Officials ordered Newcomb
Hollow Beach closed until further notice.
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After a summer full of
shark sightings on Cape Cod
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and one previous
nonfatal attack,
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it's getting harder and
harder to downplay the danger.
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That was a turning point.
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Town Official::
Okay. So thank you.
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It's now 6 p.m.,
September 27th, 2018,
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and this is a meeting on sharks.
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I wanna first start off saying
that our town is very distraught
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and sad about the
loss of Arthur Medici.
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It has affected
all of us deeply.
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Tonight, we are here to
discuss what happened.
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We have representatives,
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experts that will
answer questions
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and give a brief description
of what may be done
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to improve safety
on Cape Cod beaches.
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Um, so we are getting
a pretty good idea
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of when sharks are here,
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where they are
when they're here.
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We haven't seen
any major changes
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in their predatory behavior.
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We have had a lot of reports
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of sightings that
people have sent in
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that have gotten a
lot of attention.
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I wanna remind our
elected officials
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that the death of
26-year-old Arthur Medici
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was not his fault, it was ours.
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Government officials are
sitting behind these tables
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telling us, we the people,
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we can't do anything
in our own environment.
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If you were standing
there that day,
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you'd be fighting for it.
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This was a beautiful young man
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who lost his life because we've
been sitting doing nothing.
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On the day that it happened,
I think you were working.
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- Right.
- And it was just me and Mom down the Cape.
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And I went to go grab my board,
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and she's like, "You're
absolutely not going out today."
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I was like, "Why not? I just,
like, worked a really hard shift.
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"Like, I really wanna
just go out surfing.
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The waves are beautiful."
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- And the waves are good, right?
- Like, it's a no suit day.
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It was a no suit day.
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And I was like, "I'm gonna
go," and she, like, stalled me
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for like 30 minutes and so I
was late going to the beach.
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Because I told her, "Absolutely
under no circumstances
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"will you let the
girls go out and surf
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- without me being there."
- Yeah.
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That's where your mother
put her foot down.
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- Yeah.
- And I'm glad she did because, you know...
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She's the reason I wasn't
in the water at the time.
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John Kartsounis: Exactly.
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Kartsounis:
Good evening, uh, everyone.
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My name is John Kartsounis,
Wellfleet resident.
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I'm the father of
three children,
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two of which, uh, have been
lifeguards in the past,
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one is senior lifeguard.
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My daughter was present during
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Arthur Medici's,
uh, fatal attack.
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It was horrific.
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She tried to help
as best she could.
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I've been surfing and swimming
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in the outer beaches
for 35 years.
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Um, I won't allow my
kids to go in anymore.
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We have a problem here,
ladies and gentlemen,
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and the problem is manmade.
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So... excuse me. So thank
you. I appreciate it.
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I mean, there's lots of people here
who feel that way about sharks...
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Kartsounis: I
think public safety
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is an important issue.
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- Yes.
- That's the role of government.
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Number-one role of
government is public safety.
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Not shark safety. Not
shark conservation.
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And I understand where some of the
advocates on that side are coming from,
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but not to be at the
expense of humans.
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And that's the issue here,
and we have to address it.
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And I hope you all
take it very seriously.
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Thank you.
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What you doing?
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Meg Winton: Getting rubber
bands to put around my wrist.
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- This is how I work.
- Oh. You want more?
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Winton: I'm gonna get more.
Just have them ready to go.
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Winton: With the
emergence of Cape Cod
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as a new seasonal aggregation
site for white sharks,
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there's a lot of science
going on off the coast here.
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You hand me that... Meg, Megan?
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Thanks.
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Winton: All the research
we're doing here
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is really to learn more
about these animals,
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so that we can prevent the risk
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of somebody having a bad
interaction with a white shark.
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You got any more, Wayne?
This one's staying deep.
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Wayne : Yep, uh...
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There's one just on the
other side of that guy.
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It's on his port bow,
it's a small one.
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Yeah. That sounds good.
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Well,
we like action.
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Winton: The number one question
I think we get asked is,
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"How many of them
are out there?"
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And we haven't had an answer.
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There's never been
an actual number.
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So part of our mission is to catalog
the white sharks of Cape Cod.
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Greg Skomal: We're gonna
put out some acoustic tags,
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which will be those
long-term tags
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that will be picked up
by a, a receiver array.
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Wayne : All
right. Slow down. Slow down.
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I'm in the glare here.
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I should be right
there pretty close now.
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Just, just stop there, John.
Just let them come to you.
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Skomal: Yeah, he's down.
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Skomal: Are we ready to go?
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- Captain: Yes, sir.
- Skomal: Okay.
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As long as he doesn't
spook, we're...
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I like the way it's acting.
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A little zigzag action.
He's down a little bit.
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- Winton: Bobbing and weaving.
- Skomal: I need him to slow down
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'cause I don't wanna knock
the tag off the pole.
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Captain: The degree of
difficulty is high on this one.
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Skomal: Yeah. Look at this.
It's a... it's a wormy one.
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Wayne : Down
back if you need help.
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Skomal: Down a little.
Ah, don't turn.
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Don't turn.
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- Oh! Damn.
- Winton: Piece of work.
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Skomal: Slow down.
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Captain: Out of gear.
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Winton: Nine feet of water.
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Captain: Down pretty good.
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Captain: Hold on, Greg.
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Skomal: It's just enough.
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We don't need that
to pop off, you know?
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- Winton: You got him.
- Captain: Good job! Nice job.
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Skomal: Yeah!
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Winton: All right, keep
an eye! Keep an eye.
343
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Oh, that's great.
344
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Nice work. Victory, Captain.
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There's an acoustic
transmitter on that,
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and that's gonna stay on.
347
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That's why we use the dart.
The dart's gonna hold that in.
348
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That'll ping for 10 years.
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- Winton: There she goes.
- Skomal: All right, you can...
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Winton: Every time a
tagged shark swims by
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one of our real-time receivers,
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people will immediately see
that information on their phone.
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It's now integrated with
our app, Sharktivity.
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There's also information
on which shark it was.
355
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There's a photo of the shark.
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It's really changed the way
people think about sharks
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off of our coastline,
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and how frequently they
occur near shore waters.
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Blake: Let's see if
we're getting them.
360
00:20:31,065 --> 00:20:34,527
Oh, so Joanie came by at 2:30
last night and left at 3:00.
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- Who is that? Jodi?
- Blake: Joanie.
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- Lifeguard: Joanie?
- Blake: Yeah.
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I-I don't know how
big Joanie is, but...
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All right. Hopefully,
this will work today.
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Lifeguard: We fly that all
the time just so people know
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that there are
sharks in the water.
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It's basically like you should
go in at your own discretion.
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- Blake: I...
- Lifeguard: However,
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if we detect one on
our buoy or see one,
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then we get everyone out of the
water and change it to a black flag.
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- Beachgoer: Oh. To black?
- Lifeguard: Yep.
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- Beachgoer: Okay. Just wondered.
- Lifeguard: Yep.
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Blake: Have a great day.
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I just saw a seal
on the sandbar.
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When we see a seal,
it makes us nervous.
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Child: That is a shark!
377
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Blake: Sharks are so stealth.
378
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They just sneak
up on their prey.
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The seals are really agile so
they can swim away really fast,
380
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but obviously humans
are not as agile.
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You can see that fish
a mile away, huh?
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Captain: Sucker's in
shallow water, man.
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- Sure is, huh?
- Like, uh, motivated.
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Captain: Eight feet here,
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and it's seven feet
and it's going in.
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Skomal: It's got a pile
of seals right there.
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This sucker's hunting.
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Wilkinson: Greg Skomal,
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who is the one person
on the east coast
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who really knows what
the circumstances are,
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had always told me that sharks,
so far as he could tell,
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would not enter
into the surf zone
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because they had an instinctive
fear of being breached.
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Unhappily for me, he amended
that last year to say, "Well...
395
00:22:42,196 --> 00:22:44,532
"not sure anymore.
396
00:22:44,574 --> 00:22:48,870
"We now have seen occasions where they
go right into the surf after a seal.
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If they're chasing something, they'll
certainly go into the surf," he said.
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-Lisa Sette: You see that?
-Liz Bradfield: Oh, yeah. That's a seal coming.
399
00:23:10,683 --> 00:23:12,083
- Sette: Is it?
- Bradfield: Mm-hmm.
400
00:23:12,143 --> 00:23:13,686
That one has a scar on its back.
401
00:23:13,728 --> 00:23:16,564
It was... I just saw
a divot, you know?
402
00:23:18,399 --> 00:23:19,776
D, can you photograph this?
403
00:23:19,859 --> 00:23:21,319
- Bradfield: I will, yeah.
- Yep.
404
00:23:21,402 --> 00:23:22,671
Bradfield: Oh,
yeah. Look at that.
405
00:23:26,824 --> 00:23:29,619
I can't see a wound. I see...
406
00:23:29,702 --> 00:23:31,680
Bradfield: I mean, it's not
like bloody or anything.
407
00:23:31,704 --> 00:23:33,956
Sette: It's not... It's
like a healed divot.
408
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,375
Bradfield: No, that's
not, that's too old, Lis.
409
00:23:36,417 --> 00:23:38,127
- Do you see it?
- Sette: I see it.
410
00:23:38,211 --> 00:23:39,253
There's a white...
411
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It looks white
below the surface.
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I don't live very far
from here, and, um,
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two years ago, I rode
out here in August
414
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and it was, uh, later
in the afternoon,
415
00:23:53,726 --> 00:23:55,686
and I got off my bike
and I just looked out,
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and there was a white shark.
417
00:23:57,605 --> 00:23:58,940
And I was like, "Oh, wow."
418
00:23:58,981 --> 00:24:01,609
I spent about an
hour watching it.
419
00:24:01,692 --> 00:24:04,779
And then seals started
passing through
420
00:24:04,862 --> 00:24:08,616
really close to shore, just
traveling north or south.
421
00:24:08,658 --> 00:24:11,536
And rafts of birds came
in, boats were going by,
422
00:24:11,619 --> 00:24:12,870
and I was just like,
423
00:24:12,954 --> 00:24:16,290
we could do, like, a, a
little behavioral study here,
424
00:24:16,332 --> 00:24:19,627
and look at seal behavior
and white shark behavior.
425
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:22,463
So, when we stand out here,
what we're looking at is
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basically how seals and
white sharks transit,
427
00:24:27,468 --> 00:24:29,971
or spend time right
off the bluff here.
428
00:24:30,054 --> 00:24:32,807
Oh, wait. We got a seal.
Sorry. I have to get a...
429
00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,935
Okay, Marjorie, you ready?
430
00:24:36,018 --> 00:24:38,354
Ninety-four bearing.
431
00:24:38,438 --> 00:24:41,607
I'm gonna get you distance.
432
00:24:41,649 --> 00:24:44,152
142 heading north.
433
00:24:44,193 --> 00:24:45,069
Bradfield: Circling.
434
00:24:45,153 --> 00:24:45,987
Oh, interaction.
435
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:47,822
Whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
436
00:24:47,905 --> 00:24:52,368
There was a interaction between
the first and third animal.
437
00:24:52,452 --> 00:24:54,805
Uh, for some reason, the third
animal got a little too close
438
00:24:54,829 --> 00:24:55,788
and the first animal...
439
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:56,932
- Flipped around.
- Flipped around
440
00:24:56,956 --> 00:24:59,500
and gave a body check.
441
00:24:59,584 --> 00:25:00,793
That was interesting.
442
00:25:00,835 --> 00:25:03,254
Bradfield: That
was interesting.
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00:25:03,337 --> 00:25:07,759
Sette: Seals can tell us a lot
about th-the ocean environment.
444
00:25:07,842 --> 00:25:10,344
They're a species that
reflects back to us,
445
00:25:10,386 --> 00:25:12,013
um, ecosystem health.
446
00:25:12,055 --> 00:25:14,849
Bradfield: That makes them
a great messenger for us,
447
00:25:14,891 --> 00:25:17,727
and to be witnessing the
recovery of a species.
448
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:18,996
You know, there's
this whole idea
449
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,354
of shifting baselines, right?
450
00:25:20,396 --> 00:25:22,899
That what you grew up with
is what's "normal."
451
00:25:22,982 --> 00:25:25,526
And oftentimes the story
of shifting baselines,
452
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:27,361
is of decrease.
453
00:25:27,403 --> 00:25:30,049
But here, we're having a shifting
of baselines upward with the seals,
454
00:25:30,073 --> 00:25:33,284
and, and that's pretty,
pretty amazing, too.
455
00:25:33,367 --> 00:25:37,246
People saying, "You know, I didn't used to
see all these seals," and they're right.
456
00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:38,581
They didn't.
457
00:26:14,075 --> 00:26:16,577
Crocker Snow: I've spent a lot
of time all over the world.
458
00:26:16,619 --> 00:26:19,080
All kinds of places that I like.
459
00:26:19,163 --> 00:26:22,667
But when I set foot on Muskeget,
460
00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:26,087
the moment my foot
hits the sand,
461
00:26:26,129 --> 00:26:29,424
I'm in the Muskeget
thing instantly.
462
00:26:29,507 --> 00:26:31,759
Nothing else.
463
00:26:31,843 --> 00:26:33,052
My first exposure was,
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I was nine years old
right after Dad got it.
465
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,515
And he came down on a Piper Cub,
466
00:26:37,557 --> 00:26:39,767
the yellow planes
with single engine,
467
00:26:39,809 --> 00:26:43,104
and I had my best
friend in the back.
468
00:26:43,146 --> 00:26:45,940
And he landed out on that beach.
469
00:26:46,023 --> 00:26:48,609
He dropped us off,
got back on the plane,
470
00:26:48,651 --> 00:26:50,278
said, "I'll be
back" and took off.
471
00:26:50,361 --> 00:26:54,615
And I distinctly remember
sitting there with my friend
472
00:26:54,657 --> 00:26:57,535
and watching the
yellow plane disappear.
473
00:26:57,618 --> 00:26:59,954
- I bet.
- And everywhere we walked,
474
00:26:59,996 --> 00:27:02,081
there were seagulls
attacking us,
475
00:27:02,123 --> 00:27:03,976
'cause we were going through
a nest without knowing it.
476
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,126
Kimberly Murray: Uh-huh.
477
00:27:05,293 --> 00:27:09,130
Snow: It was like Alfred
Hitchcock's "Birds."
478
00:27:09,213 --> 00:27:11,257
We found an old
2x4 or something,
479
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and we were sort of...
480
00:27:12,633 --> 00:27:13,593
see if the plane...
481
00:27:14,469 --> 00:27:17,263
My memory and what I wrote
was just about two hours.
482
00:27:17,305 --> 00:27:20,767
And eventually we saw this
little yellow plane coming in.
483
00:27:27,482 --> 00:27:30,651
Snow: We think of ourselves
as the stewards of the island,
484
00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:32,445
you know, to keep
it the way it is,
485
00:27:32,487 --> 00:27:33,738
except for the gray seals.
486
00:27:33,821 --> 00:27:35,740
Um...
487
00:27:37,617 --> 00:27:40,161
You-You know what I mean.
You know exactly what I mean.
488
00:27:41,496 --> 00:27:43,164
I don't want them to overtake
489
00:27:43,206 --> 00:27:46,167
all the other species
on the island.
490
00:27:48,878 --> 00:27:53,341
You didn't see any pups
born here in 1960, did you?
491
00:27:53,424 --> 00:27:56,928
Snow: The first one was
found, I think, in '64,
492
00:27:57,011 --> 00:27:59,097
and then there were 20 or 40.
493
00:27:59,180 --> 00:28:01,015
And they had...
They were by name.
494
00:28:01,099 --> 00:28:02,725
The scientist said,
"There's Mariel."
495
00:28:02,809 --> 00:28:04,102
I-I've told you that.
496
00:28:04,185 --> 00:28:05,746
- There's so few of them, they could name them.
- Yes.
497
00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:08,564
They named them.
And it was cute.
498
00:28:12,318 --> 00:28:14,695
Wilkinson: You know,
15, 20 years ago,
499
00:28:14,737 --> 00:28:16,531
if you saw a seal, it
was sort of an event.
500
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,618
When I was a little kid and we
spent our summers in Cape Cod,
501
00:28:20,701 --> 00:28:22,662
we might see two a summer.
502
00:28:22,745 --> 00:28:24,455
And you kind of go,
"Wow. It's really cool.
503
00:28:24,539 --> 00:28:27,500
I was down at Ballston
today and there was a seal!"
504
00:28:34,507 --> 00:28:37,343
Sette: People are very
surprised, even locals,
505
00:28:37,385 --> 00:28:38,469
when they see seals here
506
00:28:38,511 --> 00:28:40,012
because they were
gone for so long
507
00:28:40,054 --> 00:28:41,347
because of the bounties.
508
00:28:46,561 --> 00:28:50,022
Sette: It was perceived that
the seals were responsible
509
00:28:50,064 --> 00:28:53,526
for eating down the
commercially important fishes.
510
00:28:53,568 --> 00:28:55,278
So the seals were bountied.
511
00:28:55,361 --> 00:28:59,449
People were paid for noses
or pelts or flippers.
512
00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:07,540
Tim Reinemo: My grandfather
used to hunt for them, sure.
513
00:29:07,582 --> 00:29:09,625
Muskeget was a great
hunting ground.
514
00:29:09,709 --> 00:29:11,061
Used to be able to go
out there and get 'em
515
00:29:11,085 --> 00:29:12,962
and bring back the noses.
516
00:29:14,881 --> 00:29:16,841
You could also cut the ear off.
517
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,012
Sette: Over 20,000 seals are
believed to have been bountied
518
00:29:21,095 --> 00:29:23,556
in, um, Massachusetts waters.
519
00:29:25,141 --> 00:29:27,977
And then, in 1972, the
Marine Mammal Protection Act
520
00:29:28,061 --> 00:29:31,522
was put in place
to protect seals.
521
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:42,950
By the time they hit about
200, I asked her, Valerie...
522
00:29:43,034 --> 00:29:44,660
- Rue.
- Yeah.
523
00:29:44,744 --> 00:29:48,331
- Valerie Rue.
- And she said they'll never get to more than a thousand.
524
00:29:48,414 --> 00:29:51,959
There, there won't be enough
feed, or there'll be disease.
525
00:29:52,001 --> 00:29:55,630
And she was
obviously dead wrong.
526
00:30:11,145 --> 00:30:13,731
Snow: We have all the
problems with the sharks.
527
00:30:13,815 --> 00:30:15,400
It's obvious.
528
00:30:15,483 --> 00:30:17,777
I mean, nobody has to
think about that too much.
529
00:30:17,819 --> 00:30:22,031
They're attracted by the seals
and there are a lot of seals.
530
00:30:23,533 --> 00:30:25,159
It's clear that the population
531
00:30:25,243 --> 00:30:29,705
has reached beyond what it
needs to be to be stable.
532
00:30:29,789 --> 00:30:31,541
But with the Marine
Mammal Protection Act,
533
00:30:31,624 --> 00:30:37,171
you can't delist gray seals
or any other marine mammals,
534
00:30:37,213 --> 00:30:38,965
if I'm not... if I'm correct.
535
00:30:39,006 --> 00:30:41,008
That should be changed.
536
00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:43,219
So if they get beyond the point
537
00:30:43,302 --> 00:30:45,805
that they have to be
to be self-sufficient,
538
00:30:45,847 --> 00:30:48,933
it should be doable
to make changes.
539
00:30:49,016 --> 00:30:50,160
I mean, they haven't
gotten to a point
540
00:30:50,184 --> 00:30:52,395
where they're beyond
the point of becoming...
541
00:30:52,478 --> 00:30:55,314
Of "self-sufficient," is I
think what you just said.
542
00:30:55,356 --> 00:30:59,026
- I did.
- It's not beyond that point from a ecological point of view.
543
00:30:59,068 --> 00:31:01,362
Well, what is the right point?
544
00:31:01,446 --> 00:31:03,948
Well, the goal of the
Marine Mammal Protection Act
545
00:31:04,031 --> 00:31:08,202
is to allow them to
recover to a certain range.
546
00:31:08,244 --> 00:31:10,580
What is that figure?
It's not in the act.
547
00:31:10,663 --> 00:31:13,040
- No, it's not.
- You can't, you can't reach it,
548
00:31:13,124 --> 00:31:14,876
because it could go forever.
549
00:31:14,917 --> 00:31:16,919
Our population is
going like this,
550
00:31:17,003 --> 00:31:19,839
and we're not
controlling ourselves,
551
00:31:19,881 --> 00:31:22,008
and you're
controlling the seals.
552
00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:24,010
I'm just
giving her a hard time.
553
00:31:24,052 --> 00:31:26,637
Murray: The seals are
recovering, they're doing well.
554
00:31:26,721 --> 00:31:29,390
Marine Mammal Protection
Act has been a success.
555
00:31:29,432 --> 00:31:31,893
But because we're
so populated now,
556
00:31:31,976 --> 00:31:34,020
the number has come in conflict
557
00:31:34,062 --> 00:31:36,773
with a lot of our
uses of the ocean,
558
00:31:36,856 --> 00:31:39,108
and that's what we're
trying to balance.
559
00:31:39,192 --> 00:31:42,111
Snow: Right. But, number one,
if you let nature be nature,
560
00:31:42,195 --> 00:31:43,613
they wouldn't be protected.
561
00:31:43,696 --> 00:31:47,825
Point two, why would the
seals have it over people?
562
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:50,745
To me, that's a big argument.
563
00:31:50,828 --> 00:31:55,249
Murray: It strikes at how you feel
about your relationship with wildlife
564
00:31:55,291 --> 00:31:56,769
- and if you feel like...
- Yeah. I agree.
565
00:31:56,793 --> 00:31:58,753
You can dominate
it and control it,
566
00:31:58,836 --> 00:32:02,757
or if you can co-exist with
it as a, as a part of it.
567
00:32:22,402 --> 00:32:24,654
Person: The Endangered
Species Act is a huge success.
568
00:32:24,737 --> 00:32:27,448
- It's inarguably, inarguably a huge success.
- Kartsounis: Yes.
569
00:32:27,532 --> 00:32:29,534
Person: We just wanna
pick up a piece of that
570
00:32:29,617 --> 00:32:31,720
- that's a critical omission in this legislation.
- Ron Beaty: Right.
571
00:32:31,744 --> 00:32:34,914
It's, it's simple. It's
a delisting provision.
572
00:32:34,956 --> 00:32:37,750
When a species has
demonstrably recovered,
573
00:32:37,792 --> 00:32:39,210
take 'em off the
protection list.
574
00:32:39,293 --> 00:32:40,169
- Right.
- That's it.
575
00:32:40,253 --> 00:32:41,373
That's what we're going for.
576
00:32:41,462 --> 00:32:44,006
- Right.
- Kartsounis: According to Crocker Snow,
577
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:46,968
on his island, Muskeget,
there's... what did he say,
578
00:32:47,009 --> 00:32:48,636
about 12 to 15,000?
579
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,433
And then on Monomoy,
there's 20 to 25,000.
580
00:32:53,474 --> 00:32:55,226
So you put those
numbers together.
581
00:32:55,309 --> 00:32:58,604
When we talk to people,
we need to actually stress
582
00:32:58,646 --> 00:33:01,357
that the marine balance
equation also means
583
00:33:01,441 --> 00:33:03,735
that humans are part
of the equation.
584
00:33:03,818 --> 00:33:08,072
The other side, our opposition,
basically is telling the media
585
00:33:08,156 --> 00:33:10,241
that humans are the problem,
586
00:33:10,324 --> 00:33:12,952
that we shouldn't even
be part of the ecosystem.
587
00:33:12,994 --> 00:33:14,579
Which is ridiculous,
it's just stupid.
588
00:33:14,662 --> 00:33:17,382
Group Member: Well, people said to
me, "Oh, you wanna kill the seals,"
589
00:33:17,457 --> 00:33:20,168
and I'm like, "No. No. I
don't wanna kill the seals.
590
00:33:20,251 --> 00:33:21,669
"I want a balanced ecosystem,
591
00:33:21,753 --> 00:33:24,797
in which people are considered
to be part of the ecosystem."
592
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:26,900
-That's it. It's not that complicated.
-Yeah. And, and...
593
00:33:26,924 --> 00:33:28,593
I wanna reiterate...
594
00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:32,305
- Never ever.
- Group Member: Yeah.
595
00:33:32,346 --> 00:33:33,931
Kartsounis: Now,
Ron, are you aware
596
00:33:34,015 --> 00:33:35,767
that the Atlantic
White Shark Conservancy
597
00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:37,018
has a booth every Saturday
598
00:33:37,101 --> 00:33:38,978
at Newcomb Hollow
Beach in Wellfleet?
599
00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:40,940
I knew they did at some
beaches. I didn't know...
600
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:43,483
Kartsounis: Well, this is an
actual propaganda booth...
601
00:33:43,524 --> 00:33:45,377
- Beaty: Yeah.
- Kartsounis: where it's in a parking lot.
602
00:33:45,401 --> 00:33:47,361
They've got three
or four interns.
603
00:33:47,403 --> 00:33:49,489
And as beachgoers go by,
604
00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:53,659
they're right there pushing
their leaflets and propaganda.
605
00:33:53,701 --> 00:33:54,661
AWSC Intern: How are you?
606
00:33:56,579 --> 00:33:58,932
Intern: We're with the
Atlantic White Shark Conservancy.
607
00:33:58,956 --> 00:34:02,043
We got some shark smart tips
here, so if you go in the water,
608
00:34:02,085 --> 00:34:03,461
this is all of our
detection data.
609
00:34:03,544 --> 00:34:06,714
So that's where we know
they have been detected.
610
00:34:06,798 --> 00:34:08,048
How many off of Cape Cod?
611
00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:11,260
Uh, there... At any given time,
we don't really know, you know?
612
00:34:11,344 --> 00:34:14,262
They, they like it... we know
they like it here in the summer
613
00:34:14,347 --> 00:34:15,765
and up until about October,
614
00:34:15,847 --> 00:34:19,352
but the exact number that's here
is kind of hard to tell, yeah.
615
00:34:19,394 --> 00:34:24,231
But there is not a lot that are on this beach,
right, because of the sandbars and stuff?
616
00:34:24,315 --> 00:34:26,233
So you can see we're
right about here.
617
00:34:26,317 --> 00:34:29,278
This is like a highway
for shark activity.
618
00:34:29,362 --> 00:34:31,362
So there's... at any given
time, a potential for...
619
00:34:31,405 --> 00:34:33,258
- Yeah, they're going. Yeah.
- Oh, yeah, for sure.
620
00:34:33,282 --> 00:34:35,242
Beachgoer: So cool.
621
00:34:35,284 --> 00:34:37,286
- I saw a shark yesterday.
- Beachgoer: Yeah.
622
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:39,247
-Intern: Oh, really? That's super cool.
-Yeah.
623
00:34:39,329 --> 00:34:41,332
- With a fin up in the water.
- Intern: Oh, yeah.
624
00:34:41,416 --> 00:34:43,519
- Beachgoer: Couldn't believe it.
- I don't know what kind it was.
625
00:34:43,543 --> 00:34:44,937
Intern: Yeah. Probably
a great white.
626
00:34:44,961 --> 00:34:47,106
- They're usually inshore. Yeah.
- Beachgoer: Yeah, that's...
627
00:34:47,130 --> 00:34:49,173
- Whoa!
- Intern: We'll be here until 12:00,
628
00:34:49,257 --> 00:34:50,818
so when you guys are
back from your surf...
629
00:34:50,842 --> 00:34:53,760
- Are, are those teeth?
- Intern: Yeah, those are real shark teeth.
630
00:34:53,845 --> 00:34:58,307
This is a 3D print of how big
a white shark tooth can get.
631
00:35:56,407 --> 00:35:59,994
I think it's bait fish 'cause
there's more behind it.
632
00:36:00,036 --> 00:36:03,122
- Oh, yeah.
- Like there are a couple more of those blobs,
633
00:36:03,164 --> 00:36:04,916
but I see what
you're looking at.
634
00:36:05,708 --> 00:36:08,753
Lifeguard: Really has a
shape though, you know?
635
00:36:08,795 --> 00:36:10,254
- Oh.
- Blake: Bait fish.
636
00:36:10,338 --> 00:36:12,590
Lifeguard: Did you see that?
637
00:36:12,673 --> 00:36:15,468
Lifeguard 2: No. What?
What are we looking at?
638
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:17,178
Blake: What did you see?
639
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:18,805
Lifeguard: A fin come
out of the water.
640
00:36:18,846 --> 00:36:20,139
A little triangle fin.
641
00:36:20,181 --> 00:36:21,599
Blake: Not a mola?
642
00:36:21,682 --> 00:36:24,185
Lifeguard: Like a
shark dorsal fin.
643
00:36:24,268 --> 00:36:26,145
Barely broke the surface.
644
00:36:26,938 --> 00:36:28,981
- Blake: How far out?
- Lifeguard: Right there!
645
00:36:29,023 --> 00:36:30,274
It's that thing right there.
646
00:36:30,358 --> 00:36:33,778
- Blake: I see the blob.
- Lifeguard: It's the blob.
647
00:36:33,861 --> 00:36:36,239
Blake: Well, do you wanna
just call it to be safe?
648
00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:39,718
- Lifeguard: It's right in there.
- Blake: Oh, that's close.
649
00:36:39,742 --> 00:36:42,954
Lifeguard: Look at that...
Like it's got definition.
650
00:36:43,037 --> 00:36:44,080
Blake: Where's the flag?
651
00:36:44,163 --> 00:36:45,432
- Lifeguard: I'm blowing.
- Blake: All right.
652
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:59,679
- Lifeguard: You can see it clearly when one of the waves...
- Blake: I trust you, Mike.
653
00:37:01,973 --> 00:37:04,851
It was just like a smudge
and it was headed that way.
654
00:37:04,892 --> 00:37:07,729
- Beachgoer: Oh, headed that way?
- It was headed that way, yeah.
655
00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:11,149
But just to be safe, we keep you
out of the water for an hour.
656
00:37:11,232 --> 00:37:12,900
Beachgoer: Thank you.
657
00:37:16,904 --> 00:37:19,907
How many cellphones you suppose
are pointed at us right now?
658
00:37:19,991 --> 00:37:23,244
Person : There's
two others about, uh,
659
00:37:23,327 --> 00:37:25,872
200 feet away, if that.
660
00:37:25,913 --> 00:37:28,082
We're right in the
damn swimming area.
661
00:37:35,256 --> 00:37:36,924
Blake: Any questions? Any...
662
00:37:39,177 --> 00:37:41,155
Beachgoer: It's weird,
though, It was just so close.
663
00:37:41,179 --> 00:37:43,181
Blake: Oh, yeah, they
get really close.
664
00:37:43,264 --> 00:37:44,557
Beachgoer: Yeah. And then,
665
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,285
and then, we all just went
swimming half an hour later.
666
00:37:46,309 --> 00:37:47,703
- It's so weird.
- Blake: Yeah, it is.
667
00:37:47,727 --> 00:37:49,228
It's just something
we live with now.
668
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:50,438
Beachgoer: I know.
669
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,122
Blake: I had a dream
that there were people
670
00:38:08,206 --> 00:38:09,874
swimming on the sandbar there,
671
00:38:09,957 --> 00:38:15,505
and I saw a fin and I had my
whistle and it didn't work,
672
00:38:15,588 --> 00:38:17,548
so I couldn't get
people out of the water.
673
00:38:17,632 --> 00:38:21,886
And then the shark caught
a wave onto the shore
674
00:38:21,928 --> 00:38:24,555
and bit everybody's feet.
675
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:26,557
And then I had a mass
casualty incident,
676
00:38:26,641 --> 00:38:28,351
and I was the only
lifeguard there,
677
00:38:28,434 --> 00:38:29,852
and I didn't have a phone.
678
00:38:29,936 --> 00:38:34,273
And then, um, one of
the fire department guys
679
00:38:34,315 --> 00:38:35,817
showed up with
one roll of gauze,
680
00:38:35,858 --> 00:38:38,069
and that's all we
had to manage it.
681
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,743
It's on our minds a lot and
I'm even dreaming about them,
682
00:38:45,827 --> 00:38:48,079
so I guess that says something.
683
00:39:14,689 --> 00:39:17,358
Beau Gribbin: We had to harpoon
it today out of Scituate Harbor.
684
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,985
Harpoon this fish.
685
00:39:19,026 --> 00:39:21,529
And when they were getting
ready to pull the fish aboard,
686
00:39:21,612 --> 00:39:23,698
they had a great
white shark attack it.
687
00:39:23,781 --> 00:39:26,242
And you can see it took a pretty
good-sized bite out of it.
688
00:39:26,325 --> 00:39:27,493
You got a... You got a moon.
689
00:39:27,535 --> 00:39:28,846
Seems like a lot of this
happens around the moon.
690
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:31,998
This would be in the
money of the fish.
691
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,542
This would be the
fattest point of the loin
692
00:39:34,584 --> 00:39:36,669
with the highest yield in
the shoulders of the fish.
693
00:39:36,711 --> 00:39:41,215
And just from the bite radius
of that, that's a big shark.
694
00:39:41,299 --> 00:39:42,717
If you saw what we just saw,
695
00:39:42,759 --> 00:39:44,761
you'd never go
back in the water.
696
00:40:22,423 --> 00:40:26,260
Stormy Mayo: So yesterday,
I-I got a, a scrape on my arm,
697
00:40:26,344 --> 00:40:28,262
and I jumped in the water,
698
00:40:28,304 --> 00:40:30,473
and it opened up.
699
00:40:30,556 --> 00:40:32,600
And I was bleeding a little bit.
700
00:40:32,683 --> 00:40:34,268
And I immediately thought,
701
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:38,231
it's a sign of being, being
a good marine biologist,
702
00:40:38,314 --> 00:40:40,858
I thought, "Man, I
wonder how far this...
703
00:40:40,942 --> 00:40:43,778
"the, the smell of
this blood is going?
704
00:40:43,861 --> 00:40:48,282
"I bet you it's going, you
know, at-at the molecular levels
705
00:40:48,366 --> 00:40:50,743
"that these animals
can sense it,
706
00:40:50,785 --> 00:40:53,996
"it's probably already gone
all the way to Wellfleet
707
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,624
and they're all rushing
in my direction."
708
00:40:56,707 --> 00:40:59,001
So I got out of the water.
709
00:40:59,085 --> 00:41:03,840
You know, in shallow water in
Provincetown, worried about...
710
00:41:05,299 --> 00:41:10,471
It's a sign that terror spreads
through academia as well,
711
00:41:10,555 --> 00:41:13,141
as well as through
the general public.
712
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,857
This is an interesting place,
713
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:24,569
because Cape Cod is very
rich in terms of fish life,
714
00:41:24,652 --> 00:41:27,280
like sharks and,
increasingly, of course,
715
00:41:27,321 --> 00:41:32,118
in marine mammals,
particularly seals and whales.
716
00:41:37,999 --> 00:41:40,168
These sharks are great animals.
717
00:41:40,209 --> 00:41:44,380
Anything that's living at
the apex of the food web
718
00:41:44,464 --> 00:41:46,049
is a pretty special creature.
719
00:41:47,175 --> 00:41:49,552
And we're still learning
so much about them
720
00:41:49,635 --> 00:41:52,013
that we never used to.
721
00:41:52,096 --> 00:41:55,475
What has been found out with all
the different tagging things,
722
00:41:55,516 --> 00:41:58,728
those long-distance,
distance tags,
723
00:41:58,811 --> 00:42:02,106
they weren't what I learned
in, in graduate school.
724
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:06,194
These are... these animals
range over huge distances.
725
00:42:08,154 --> 00:42:09,363
It's exciting.
726
00:42:09,447 --> 00:42:12,241
But we're in a time
of huge change.
727
00:42:12,325 --> 00:42:15,203
With the radical change
in the number of seals
728
00:42:15,286 --> 00:42:16,370
and white sharks,
729
00:42:16,412 --> 00:42:19,707
there is no doubt that
this system is in a state
730
00:42:19,749 --> 00:42:21,876
of remarkable flux.
731
00:42:23,211 --> 00:42:28,049
And it's understandable
that people are concerned.
732
00:42:34,347 --> 00:42:36,283
Commissioner: Next on our
agenda is public comment.
733
00:42:36,307 --> 00:42:39,143
Anyone who wishes to address
the, uh, the board can.
734
00:42:39,227 --> 00:42:41,229
Beaty: I, I know the
names of two of the people
735
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:43,106
-from Well... the Wellfleet Group.
-Okay.
736
00:42:43,189 --> 00:42:45,942
John Kartsounis and, uh,
Drew Taylor and your group.
737
00:42:46,025 --> 00:42:48,111
Uh, you... You're
still here, right?
738
00:42:48,194 --> 00:42:51,239
Uh, my name's John Kartsounis,
Wellfleet resident.
739
00:42:51,322 --> 00:42:56,786
Uh, been, uh, occasionally
on the Cape for 35 years,
740
00:42:56,869 --> 00:42:59,997
and I've been a resident of
Wellfleet now for seven years.
741
00:43:00,081 --> 00:43:04,168
Now, uh, the reason, uh,
why we're here is to...
742
00:43:04,252 --> 00:43:08,089
present the
public's perception
743
00:43:08,172 --> 00:43:10,883
of what's going on
at our hometown.
744
00:43:10,925 --> 00:43:14,011
Uh, I've been recreating
in the waters off Wellfleet
745
00:43:14,095 --> 00:43:16,723
since 1983.
746
00:43:16,764 --> 00:43:18,015
I'm not a scientist,
747
00:43:18,099 --> 00:43:20,643
but I think I know a lot
about what's been happening
748
00:43:20,727 --> 00:43:22,103
in our town's beaches.
749
00:43:22,186 --> 00:43:25,148
Uh, we've gone from
seeing zero seals,
750
00:43:25,231 --> 00:43:29,819
to now we see an abundance and
an overpopulation of seals.
751
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:34,949
The question here is, we have a
law that's almost 50 years old
752
00:43:34,991 --> 00:43:38,286
and we have special interest
groups that are telling us
753
00:43:38,327 --> 00:43:41,914
that it is written in stone
and it cannot be changed,
754
00:43:41,956 --> 00:43:43,791
but I think we have
to start somewhere.
755
00:43:43,833 --> 00:43:46,335
I'm not, I'm not a scientist
but I am a politician.
756
00:43:46,419 --> 00:43:49,547
And I have my ear to the ground
and what I'm saying is that,
757
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:51,883
as we look for solutions,
758
00:43:51,966 --> 00:43:54,552
exemptions from the Marine
Mammal Protection Act
759
00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:57,680
is a very, very heavy
climb. Very heavy.
760
00:43:57,764 --> 00:44:00,975
It can, it can... it, it
involves the entire country.
761
00:44:01,017 --> 00:44:02,977
And not only local NGO groups
762
00:44:03,019 --> 00:44:04,645
but you have
national NGO groups.
763
00:44:04,729 --> 00:44:07,231
So, whether or not I think
it's a good idea or not
764
00:44:07,315 --> 00:44:08,274
is really irrelevant.
765
00:44:08,316 --> 00:44:10,318
I'm looking for something
about this summer
766
00:44:10,359 --> 00:44:11,402
and next summer.
767
00:44:11,486 --> 00:44:14,697
My personal opinion is
that that is not realistic,
768
00:44:14,781 --> 00:44:16,240
at least in the short term.
769
00:44:16,324 --> 00:44:18,093
- That's, you know...
- Kartsounis: Well, you know what's heavy?
770
00:44:18,117 --> 00:44:20,828
What's really a
heavy load to bear
771
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:23,539
is "out of business"
signs, foreclosure signs,
772
00:44:23,623 --> 00:44:27,001
and basically a depression.
773
00:44:32,048 --> 00:44:35,176
Kartsounis: Unless our public
officials start to think
774
00:44:35,218 --> 00:44:38,805
in terms of public health
and safety, and that people
775
00:44:38,846 --> 00:44:41,307
do have a right to be at
the beaches and to swim
776
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:42,934
and to recreate on Cape Cod,
777
00:44:43,017 --> 00:44:45,561
as they have done
for a hundred years,
778
00:44:45,645 --> 00:44:48,648
uh, without having
to fear being killed.
779
00:44:48,689 --> 00:44:51,234
Taylor: To me, it all goes back
to the health of the ecosystem.
780
00:44:51,317 --> 00:44:53,986
Somewhere between the
mid '80s and mid '90s,
781
00:44:54,028 --> 00:44:58,282
whatever number it was then,
our ecosystem was flourishing.
782
00:44:58,366 --> 00:45:02,036
There were seals, you could
surf-cast off the beach
783
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,164
and catch fish: stripers,
blues, flounder, whatever.
784
00:45:05,206 --> 00:45:08,710
And then since then, you know,
the explosion of the seals
785
00:45:08,751 --> 00:45:10,920
just kind of led us to
where we're at today.
786
00:45:11,003 --> 00:45:12,189
I don't blame the
seals and the sharks.
787
00:45:12,213 --> 00:45:14,507
- Right.
- It's just no management planning
788
00:45:14,549 --> 00:45:17,385
and poorly written laws.
789
00:45:41,951 --> 00:45:43,745
Jeff Souza: I still
tuna-fish with my father.
790
00:45:43,828 --> 00:45:46,289
Him and I have fished together,
before I used to work for him.
791
00:45:46,372 --> 00:45:50,918
So now the tables are turned,
now he gets to work with me.
792
00:45:51,002 --> 00:45:53,046
I mean, it is neat being
able to come out here
793
00:45:53,087 --> 00:45:55,381
and do the same
thing with my father,
794
00:45:55,465 --> 00:45:56,966
being the fourth generation.
795
00:45:57,842 --> 00:46:03,806
But most fishermen know what's
going on and see the changes.
796
00:46:05,475 --> 00:46:07,018
Crew: Up.
797
00:46:08,478 --> 00:46:10,372
Jeff Souza: Things that we
used to fish for here now
798
00:46:10,396 --> 00:46:14,233
like codfish, or we used to
have good fluke fishing here,
799
00:46:14,275 --> 00:46:16,611
there's no more
fluke around here.
800
00:46:18,279 --> 00:46:20,865
Jeff Souza: We
blame the seals.
801
00:46:20,907 --> 00:46:23,951
The bait fish don't wanna
come in because of them.
802
00:46:23,993 --> 00:46:27,121
We see them come up with
striped bass, big striped bass.
803
00:46:27,163 --> 00:46:29,457
So, you know, they're probably
eating the smaller fish.
804
00:46:29,499 --> 00:46:30,958
Crew: All set.
805
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:35,922
Billy Souza: For
years, I caught lobster
806
00:46:35,963 --> 00:46:38,925
and my wife sold them
out of our garage.
807
00:46:38,966 --> 00:46:40,134
In the springtime,
808
00:46:40,176 --> 00:46:42,095
all the fishermen would
come from New York
809
00:46:42,136 --> 00:46:44,722
and they come up here for
a week and go fishing.
810
00:46:44,806 --> 00:46:46,307
And then when they went home,
811
00:46:46,391 --> 00:46:49,310
they would come by my house
and load up with lobsters.
812
00:46:49,394 --> 00:46:51,854
Well, then all the
seals start showing up.
813
00:46:51,938 --> 00:46:53,606
They can't catch a
fish from the beach.
814
00:46:54,107 --> 00:46:58,694
The whole springtime fisheries
died, our business died.
815
00:46:58,778 --> 00:47:01,823
The motels lost the
whole springtime.
816
00:47:01,906 --> 00:47:03,706
- The bait and tackle shops went under.
- Yeah.
817
00:47:03,783 --> 00:47:05,326
Everything, everything
just collapsed
818
00:47:05,368 --> 00:47:07,370
because... 'cause
the seals came in.
819
00:47:08,162 --> 00:47:11,374
And because of the Marine
Mammal Protection Act,
820
00:47:11,457 --> 00:47:14,001
you can't touch 'em,
you can't look at 'em,
821
00:47:14,043 --> 00:47:16,504
you can't even yell at
'em as you go past 'em.
822
00:47:23,261 --> 00:47:26,597
Jeff Souza: To me, it's like
the ecosystem is out of line.
823
00:47:26,681 --> 00:47:30,184
Don't get me wrong, I
like seeing whales, seals,
824
00:47:30,268 --> 00:47:31,894
stuff like that, to a degree,
825
00:47:31,978 --> 00:47:35,857
but when it's too
much, it's too much.
826
00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:38,609
It's just been getting
worse and worse.
827
00:47:38,693 --> 00:47:39,986
For the rest of my life,
828
00:47:40,027 --> 00:47:41,904
we will still have this problem.
829
00:48:12,685 --> 00:48:15,688
Emcee : P-Town, if
you are feeling drop-dead gorgeous,
830
00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:17,148
can I get a "Yes, God"?
831
00:48:17,231 --> 00:48:19,400
Audience: Yes, God!
832
00:48:19,442 --> 00:48:21,486
Emcee: Now, I
did just find out
833
00:48:21,569 --> 00:48:24,155
that it's Shark Week up in here.
834
00:48:24,238 --> 00:48:26,949
I hear y'all got some
man-eaters in the house...
835
00:48:33,164 --> 00:48:35,583
♪ So don't be the
swimmer that I ♪
836
00:48:35,666 --> 00:48:38,252
♪ Am looking to bite ♪
837
00:48:38,336 --> 00:48:41,881
Oh, my God. Oh!
838
00:48:41,923 --> 00:48:44,967
No! Oh!
839
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:51,265
♪ Now don't
go hatin' the sharks ♪
840
00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:55,144
♪ I couldn't if I tried ♪
841
00:48:55,228 --> 00:48:58,356
♪ Their cartilage
helps cure cancer ♪
842
00:48:58,439 --> 00:49:00,942
♪ But if they
bite you you die ♪
843
00:49:17,667 --> 00:49:21,337
♪ I've been to
the desert on a horse with no name ♪
844
00:49:21,421 --> 00:49:26,134
♪ It felt good to
be out of the rain ♪
845
00:49:26,175 --> 00:49:28,970
The other night, I
was surfing there,
846
00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:31,806
and a big wave,
they were all small,
847
00:49:31,848 --> 00:49:33,474
except for one big wave.
848
00:49:33,516 --> 00:49:35,810
And so I paddled out to see
if I can get another one.
849
00:49:35,852 --> 00:49:38,646
I went off the...
I went off the bar.
850
00:49:38,688 --> 00:49:42,692
And I think I saw a shark. I'm
almost positive it was now.
851
00:49:42,775 --> 00:49:44,110
The way it swam,
852
00:49:44,193 --> 00:49:47,196
all I saw was the very tip of
what I believe was the fin.
853
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,157
Maybe it was the
nose. I don't know.
854
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:51,868
It was brown like a
seal, but Mark told me,
855
00:49:51,951 --> 00:49:54,662
Mark Johnson says,
"Sharks are brown."
856
00:49:59,917 --> 00:50:03,838
It's never quite been the
same since the fatal attack.
857
00:50:03,921 --> 00:50:05,089
Hey!
858
00:50:05,173 --> 00:50:07,925
It did cause a rift
in the community.
859
00:50:08,009 --> 00:50:09,403
Some of these people,
not all of them,
860
00:50:09,427 --> 00:50:11,220
but some of these
people are acting like
861
00:50:11,304 --> 00:50:13,097
the ocean's their
little playground,
862
00:50:13,181 --> 00:50:14,891
their swimming pool.
863
00:50:14,974 --> 00:50:16,392
And they have no
right to have...
864
00:50:16,476 --> 00:50:18,853
And, you know, sharks have
no right to be in there
865
00:50:18,895 --> 00:50:21,105
or something, or seals.
866
00:50:21,189 --> 00:50:23,191
Nah, it doesn't work that way.
867
00:50:41,334 --> 00:50:43,419
Franchitto: And at
first, I was very afraid.
868
00:50:45,004 --> 00:50:48,424
But then I got, kind of,
accustomed to being out there.
869
00:50:51,344 --> 00:50:54,889
I'm very careful. I
don't go out too deep.
870
00:50:55,723 --> 00:51:00,895
Surfers put stripes on the
bottom of their boards now.
871
00:51:00,937 --> 00:51:05,691
I guess it confuses the
sharks' sensory apparatus.
872
00:51:05,733 --> 00:51:08,486
It seems to be effective.
873
00:51:10,655 --> 00:51:15,535
We've got technology out
here now, buoys out there.
874
00:51:18,621 --> 00:51:20,498
If untagged sharks go out there,
875
00:51:20,581 --> 00:51:22,250
we don't know they're there.
876
00:51:22,291 --> 00:51:24,711
But that's the way it is.
877
00:51:28,464 --> 00:51:30,466
If you're in the
water frequently,
878
00:51:30,550 --> 00:51:33,928
chances are lots of
animals have seen you
879
00:51:34,011 --> 00:51:36,222
that you didn't know were there.
880
00:52:06,169 --> 00:52:07,962
Skomal: I see it
right on the bottom.
881
00:52:08,004 --> 00:52:09,797
Winton: How big is this fish?
882
00:52:10,798 --> 00:52:12,091
Got some girth.
883
00:52:12,133 --> 00:52:14,010
She may be a transient, though.
884
00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:16,137
That's a big old
Gulf of Maine shark.
885
00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:19,348
- She's going to...
- It's a big old "anywhere she wants to" shark.
886
00:52:19,432 --> 00:52:21,434
Skomal: Yeah. Okay.
887
00:52:23,478 --> 00:52:25,646
Winton: Do we... Are we
giving up on this one?
888
00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:29,484
- Skomal: It's just going in circles down on the bottom.
- I gave up on it.
889
00:52:30,026 --> 00:52:32,695
Skomal: That looks
like it's gonna work.
890
00:52:32,779 --> 00:52:35,990
I-I'm not so much interested
what these animals do every week.
891
00:52:36,949 --> 00:52:38,117
Not even every day.
892
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,995
I wanna know what they're doing
every minute, every second.
893
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:42,455
And this is the tool to do that.
894
00:52:42,497 --> 00:52:45,416
I can look if this shark's
accelerating toward a seal,
895
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:47,460
and I'll see if it is
because there's a camera.
896
00:52:47,502 --> 00:52:50,546
So we can start to look at
its behavior in shallow water
897
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:53,716
as it relates to its
natural prey, the seals,
898
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,802
'cause we really, you
know, believe that
899
00:52:55,843 --> 00:52:58,346
the better we understand that
predator-prey relationship
900
00:52:58,429 --> 00:53:00,139
between sharks and seals,
901
00:53:00,181 --> 00:53:03,768
when, where, and how these sharks
are attacking and killing seals,
902
00:53:03,851 --> 00:53:06,979
the better equipped we're gonna
be to advise beach managers
903
00:53:07,021 --> 00:53:10,608
and the general public as to
how to modify their behavior.
904
00:53:12,443 --> 00:53:13,712
Captain: This one's
out pretty good,
905
00:53:13,736 --> 00:53:15,571
so go ahead and get,
and get in position.
906
00:53:15,655 --> 00:53:17,198
Skomal: What's our depth here?
907
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,342
Captain: Seven feet, he's up.
908
00:53:18,366 --> 00:53:21,035
Skomal: Look at
you doing a circle.
909
00:53:22,453 --> 00:53:25,289
Maybe he'll come to
me. Come on, baby!
910
00:53:26,624 --> 00:53:29,210
It's definitely
curious about us.
911
00:53:29,252 --> 00:53:31,170
Like, "What are
you guys doing?"
912
00:53:31,212 --> 00:53:33,506
I wish he would go downwind.
913
00:53:37,552 --> 00:53:39,637
It's, it's got a lot of speed.
914
00:53:39,721 --> 00:53:42,640
- Winton: I really like this one.
- Skomal: I do, too.
915
00:53:42,724 --> 00:53:45,643
It's got some really
interesting evasive maneuvers.
916
00:53:45,727 --> 00:53:48,813
Captain: Maybe we can try
the right side, I don't know.
917
00:53:48,896 --> 00:53:52,734
Skomal: Come up a little
bit, turn in, go down sea.
918
00:53:52,817 --> 00:53:54,110
Go down.
919
00:53:54,193 --> 00:53:55,820
Oh, yeah.
920
00:53:57,238 --> 00:53:59,741
- Go for it!
- Winton: Do it?
921
00:53:59,782 --> 00:54:03,703
Skomal: We got it! Oh,
mother-fa-la-la-la.
922
00:54:03,745 --> 00:54:06,164
- Winton: Beautiful!
- Captain: You got him, man.
923
00:54:20,636 --> 00:54:22,722
Winton: Isn't that amazing?
924
00:54:22,764 --> 00:54:25,808
And she's right back
in working this area...
925
00:54:27,268 --> 00:54:29,103
right off the seals.
926
00:54:46,287 --> 00:54:47,538
After every trip,
927
00:54:47,622 --> 00:54:49,624
I wanna go through and
see, like, who got a tag?
928
00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:52,502
Was it... is it a shark that
we've identified in the past?
929
00:54:52,585 --> 00:54:55,588
Is it a shark that's, that's new
that we've never seen before?
930
00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:59,425
So I always kind of
scan through and look.
931
00:55:01,761 --> 00:55:03,805
This is a beautiful
profile shot.
932
00:55:03,846 --> 00:55:05,890
So in this one, you can
really appreciate she's got
933
00:55:05,973 --> 00:55:09,477
kind of like a rounded
tip there, no big notches,
934
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:12,021
but she's got a couple
little more distinct notches.
935
00:55:12,105 --> 00:55:15,024
And there's different
dorsal kind of shapes.
936
00:55:15,108 --> 00:55:18,653
Some of them have like a
hooked edge of the dorsal.
937
00:55:18,736 --> 00:55:20,988
Um, ooh, this is a good one.
938
00:55:22,532 --> 00:55:24,575
When I'm first describing
this process to people,
939
00:55:24,659 --> 00:55:27,328
a lot of times,
they think I'm crazy
940
00:55:27,412 --> 00:55:28,538
when I tell them, like,
941
00:55:28,621 --> 00:55:30,790
"I can watch videos
and tell sharks apart."
942
00:55:30,832 --> 00:55:32,834
They're like, "No,
it's just a shark."
943
00:55:32,875 --> 00:55:36,379
But, um, they're really
remarkably different.
944
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,471
When they've got great
coloration on their tail,
945
00:55:45,513 --> 00:55:47,724
it's probably the most
imaginative feature.
946
00:55:47,807 --> 00:55:50,017
It's kind of like looking
for shapes in the clouds.
947
00:55:50,101 --> 00:55:53,521
All those little things that
just kind of jog our memory,
948
00:55:53,604 --> 00:55:55,857
that's where a lot of
them get their nicknames.
949
00:56:04,991 --> 00:56:07,952
A lot of people think they're
kind of silly nicknames
950
00:56:08,035 --> 00:56:11,956
or that we're trying to make
these animals seem more human,
951
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:15,334
but it really is just a
mental trick to help us
952
00:56:15,376 --> 00:56:18,046
keep these sharks straight.
953
00:56:25,887 --> 00:56:29,390
But to be able to actually
have an actual view
954
00:56:29,474 --> 00:56:30,850
of what the shark is doing
955
00:56:30,892 --> 00:56:33,478
is really a game-changer
in terms of understanding
956
00:56:33,561 --> 00:56:34,896
their movement, patterns,
957
00:56:34,937 --> 00:56:38,566
and to get a better
feel for the species.
958
00:56:40,943 --> 00:56:45,073
I never, like, stop
being amazed by that fact
959
00:56:45,114 --> 00:56:49,410
that we can go out and see
sharks we've seen, you know,
960
00:56:49,452 --> 00:56:52,580
20 times before over
the past five years.
961
00:56:54,749 --> 00:56:58,378
There's still so much to
learn about these animals.
962
00:56:58,419 --> 00:57:00,171
A lot of people kind
of take it for granted
963
00:57:00,254 --> 00:57:03,132
that this is the most famous
shark species there is,
964
00:57:03,216 --> 00:57:04,592
but for a long time,
965
00:57:04,634 --> 00:57:06,719
the northwest Atlantic
white shark population
966
00:57:06,761 --> 00:57:09,430
was the most mysterious
white shark population
967
00:57:09,472 --> 00:57:10,848
on the face of the planet.
968
00:57:21,651 --> 00:57:24,487
Wilkinson: Part of the, the,
the importance of nature
969
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:26,781
and the life of a culture is
970
00:57:26,864 --> 00:57:29,117
that it intersects the
life of the imagination.
971
00:57:30,243 --> 00:57:33,663
It expands the territory
972
00:57:33,746 --> 00:57:37,041
for what human
thought can encompass.
973
00:57:37,125 --> 00:57:38,167
If I stand on the,
974
00:57:38,251 --> 00:57:39,877
on the shore at Longnook,
975
00:57:39,961 --> 00:57:41,713
and I say, "There
are sharks out there,
976
00:57:41,796 --> 00:57:44,048
there are white
sharks out there,"
977
00:57:44,132 --> 00:57:48,177
I have expanded the range and
the reach of my imagination.
978
00:57:48,261 --> 00:57:53,474
I am sharing that environment
with a great creature,
979
00:57:53,558 --> 00:57:55,518
one of nature's creations.
980
00:58:00,857 --> 00:58:03,025
They are a force that throws us
981
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:07,613
up against very mysterious
aspects of life.
982
00:58:07,655 --> 00:58:11,159
Life, death, power, violence.
983
00:58:11,701 --> 00:58:16,789
The truly unsympathetic
quality of life.
984
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:22,962
We like to think that
our lives are orderly
985
00:58:23,004 --> 00:58:25,506
and can be easily maintained,
986
00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:28,009
but sharks are one
of the places where
987
00:58:28,051 --> 00:58:31,846
we don't find cooperation
from the natural world,
988
00:58:31,888 --> 00:58:36,100
um, in terms of our sense
of ownership and use.
989
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,977
Child: Oh, it's so cute!
990
01:00:11,988 --> 01:00:14,949
Yeah.
991
01:00:14,991 --> 01:00:16,701
Person:
Have you seen anything?
992
01:00:17,618 --> 01:00:18,828
Doug Feeney: Nothing yet.
993
01:00:18,911 --> 01:00:21,080
Not moving, though.
994
01:00:21,122 --> 01:00:23,624
Person : No,
no drift whatsoever.
995
01:00:23,708 --> 01:00:25,376
I, uh, I haven't
seen shit out here.
996
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:28,546
The only thing I got
out here was some bait.
997
01:00:28,629 --> 01:00:31,090
Feeney: Yeah, right
on. I'll let you know.
998
01:00:34,469 --> 01:00:37,680
Feeney: This collapse that
we've had with the fish,
999
01:00:37,764 --> 01:00:39,307
it's not the seals.
1000
01:00:41,476 --> 01:00:43,644
I think they're
just a scapegoat.
1001
01:00:43,728 --> 01:00:46,314
They privatized fishing,
1002
01:00:46,397 --> 01:00:49,150
and it became a huge
success to some people,
1003
01:00:49,192 --> 01:00:52,487
to some organizations, and they
made tons of money off of it.
1004
01:00:52,570 --> 01:00:55,323
And then, that's the new norm.
1005
01:00:58,910 --> 01:01:01,329
Cod fish, haddock.
1006
01:01:01,412 --> 01:01:04,040
We've fished the shit
out of those fish.
1007
01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:09,462
Now we're stuck with
underutilized species.
1008
01:01:09,504 --> 01:01:13,132
Skate wings and dogfish.
1009
01:01:13,174 --> 01:01:16,094
For us to get a basic day's wage
1010
01:01:16,177 --> 01:01:18,429
out of that
underutilized species,
1011
01:01:18,513 --> 01:01:20,390
we gotta catch the limit.
1012
01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:24,685
A limit is 6,000
pounds of dogfish,
1013
01:01:24,769 --> 01:01:28,022
or 5,000 pounds of skate wing.
1014
01:01:29,232 --> 01:01:31,943
And this is such a
multibillion-dollar industry,
1015
01:01:32,026 --> 01:01:36,030
it's never gonna change until
we wipe it all the fuck out.
1016
01:01:45,373 --> 01:01:48,543
Like, there's something
else going on down there.
1017
01:01:48,626 --> 01:01:50,044
The water's warm.
1018
01:01:50,086 --> 01:01:52,797
I think this might
be the new norm.
1019
01:01:54,757 --> 01:01:56,843
We're warming up
pretty quick here.
1020
01:01:56,884 --> 01:01:59,554
Things start moving and
they move to colder waters,
1021
01:01:59,595 --> 01:02:01,556
so everything's marching north.
1022
01:02:08,813 --> 01:02:12,859
- Hey, Dre, a smooth-hound.
- Dre: No way. Really?
1023
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:14,902
- He's alive.
- Wow! Cool!
1024
01:02:14,944 --> 01:02:17,447
Feeney: They only
catch these down south,
1025
01:02:17,530 --> 01:02:19,073
but with global warming,
1026
01:02:19,157 --> 01:02:21,325
they're startin'
to come up here.
1027
01:02:21,409 --> 01:02:24,495
All right, I gotta get him
back in the water so he lives.
1028
01:02:26,038 --> 01:02:29,083
There he is. All right.
1029
01:02:29,125 --> 01:02:32,545
And we're gonna let him
go swim. There he goes.
1030
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,774
David "Spider" Gibson:
I've been here a long time,
1031
01:02:52,815 --> 01:02:54,984
and I've never seen a
bonito in like that.
1032
01:02:55,068 --> 01:02:59,113
I've seen them come,
but not that small ones.
1033
01:02:59,781 --> 01:03:02,033
They're a warm-water
fish, you know,
1034
01:03:02,116 --> 01:03:03,576
they're from down south.
1035
01:03:05,203 --> 01:03:07,413
I've been on the pier
for 25 years right here
1036
01:03:07,455 --> 01:03:11,501
and I've never seen anybody
catch 'em like that. Never.
1037
01:03:11,584 --> 01:03:13,669
So that tells me something.
1038
01:03:21,052 --> 01:03:22,095
Wilkinson: Human beings,
1039
01:03:22,136 --> 01:03:23,596
since the Industrial Revolution,
1040
01:03:23,638 --> 01:03:24,931
have grown up amidst
1041
01:03:24,972 --> 01:03:27,141
extraordinary
technological changes,
1042
01:03:27,183 --> 01:03:30,645
but not among extraordinary
natural changes,
1043
01:03:30,686 --> 01:03:35,066
and that's what's happening
to our generations.
1044
01:03:35,149 --> 01:03:36,776
And that's a totally
different thing
1045
01:03:36,818 --> 01:03:39,153
'cause we're not
in control of them.
1046
01:03:41,155 --> 01:03:43,574
Wendy Puryear: There's this
pretty significant shift
1047
01:03:43,658 --> 01:03:47,453
that is happening in species
on, on a global level.
1048
01:03:47,495 --> 01:03:48,371
You have animals
1049
01:03:48,454 --> 01:03:50,790
from the lower latitudes
that are coming up
1050
01:03:50,832 --> 01:03:52,708
because the waters
are getting warm
1051
01:03:52,792 --> 01:03:54,168
and food sources are moving up
1052
01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:58,172
so the predators
are following them.
1053
01:03:58,256 --> 01:04:01,467
And then, at the same time,
the polar ice caps are melting
1054
01:04:01,509 --> 01:04:04,387
so there are a lot of animals
from those higher latitudes
1055
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:06,848
that are coming down
looking for prey,
1056
01:04:06,931 --> 01:04:09,183
they're looking for
suitable habitat.
1057
01:04:11,060 --> 01:04:13,855
Here we are right at
that, that middle crux
1058
01:04:13,938 --> 01:04:16,691
of everything kind of
all coming together.
1059
01:04:18,234 --> 01:04:20,611
Even if we want to
be completely selfish
1060
01:04:20,695 --> 01:04:23,698
and focused on our own
personal human well-being,
1061
01:04:23,781 --> 01:04:27,827
it's important that we understand
what's happening in the ecosystem.
1062
01:04:32,248 --> 01:04:33,708
Puryear: Since
my graduate work,
1063
01:04:33,791 --> 01:04:38,004
I've been trying to
understand how viruses evolve,
1064
01:04:39,547 --> 01:04:44,594
looking at influenza,
primarily in wild birds.
1065
01:04:44,677 --> 01:04:47,388
Water fowl is where you
find a lot of influenza,
1066
01:04:47,472 --> 01:04:49,766
naturally circulating
in the wild.
1067
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:53,519
We're talking about gulls,
and shorebirds, and ducks.
1068
01:04:53,561 --> 01:04:56,230
They share habitat
with marine mammals,
1069
01:04:56,272 --> 01:04:58,524
and particularly with seals.
1070
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,112
We know that you
can get spillover,
1071
01:05:03,196 --> 01:05:06,699
a transmission that happens
from one species to another.
1072
01:05:07,617 --> 01:05:10,328
Perhaps people have heard
about so-called bird flu
1073
01:05:10,369 --> 01:05:11,537
and swine flu.
1074
01:05:13,748 --> 01:05:17,585
Even though we have not been
seeing signs of virus in seals,
1075
01:05:17,627 --> 01:05:20,838
we wonder, did that necessarily
mean there was no virus
1076
01:05:20,922 --> 01:05:23,925
or was it possible that virus
was circulating out there
1077
01:05:24,008 --> 01:05:25,593
without seeing disease?
1078
01:05:27,845 --> 01:05:29,597
So we went out to
Muskeget Island
1079
01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:33,393
to see whether or not
we could detect virus.
1080
01:05:48,116 --> 01:05:50,201
Oh, nice.
1081
01:05:54,163 --> 01:05:55,265
Person 1: We're
gonna roll, ready?
1082
01:05:55,289 --> 01:05:56,266
Person 2: You wanna
roll him this way?
1083
01:05:56,290 --> 01:05:57,834
Puryear: Yeah.
1084
01:05:57,917 --> 01:05:59,627
Person 1: Watch that
back end, there.
1085
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:06,676
Nice. Okay.
1086
01:06:20,648 --> 01:06:22,191
He's very feisty.
1087
01:06:27,822 --> 01:06:29,323
Puryear: Good boy.
1088
01:06:31,617 --> 01:06:33,536
- Oh.
- Oh.
1089
01:06:38,249 --> 01:06:39,768
Person 1: Are you
ready? Everybody's out?
1090
01:06:39,792 --> 01:06:41,895
-Puryear: We're good.
-Person 2: Yeah, you're good. Hop off.
1091
01:06:41,919 --> 01:06:45,089
Nice job. Whoo!
1092
01:06:45,173 --> 01:06:48,342
Good job. That was
not an easy one.
1093
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,781
Puryear: So we went out and
did these health assessments.
1094
01:06:52,805 --> 01:06:54,515
We were thinking that
there could be virus,
1095
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:56,100
that's why we went
out and looked,
1096
01:06:56,142 --> 01:06:59,062
but weren't really expecting
to find a whole lot.
1097
01:06:59,145 --> 01:07:01,522
We were actually pretty
surprised to find that
1098
01:07:01,606 --> 01:07:05,526
about 10% of them, we were
able to detect influenza virus.
1099
01:07:05,568 --> 01:07:08,196
And that's actually
a pretty high level,
1100
01:07:08,279 --> 01:07:10,698
even for wild bird reservoirs.
1101
01:07:11,824 --> 01:07:13,367
It's a very real concern,
1102
01:07:13,409 --> 01:07:14,702
because if you have a scenario
1103
01:07:14,744 --> 01:07:16,464
where a virus is
circulating in the animals,
1104
01:07:16,537 --> 01:07:18,915
otherwise they seem like
they're healthy and just fine,
1105
01:07:18,998 --> 01:07:23,378
that gives the virus the opportunity to
continue to circulate in that population.
1106
01:07:26,714 --> 01:07:28,007
There, finally.
1107
01:07:28,049 --> 01:07:29,592
Ready? One, two, three.
1108
01:07:29,675 --> 01:07:30,718
Puryear: Nice work.
1109
01:07:30,802 --> 01:07:32,428
Person: Nice job.
1110
01:07:32,512 --> 01:07:34,972
Puryear: Even if you're
just thinking about a virus
1111
01:07:35,056 --> 01:07:36,974
that's circulating
in a gray seal,
1112
01:07:37,016 --> 01:07:39,519
the gray seal doesn't
live in a bubble.
1113
01:07:42,271 --> 01:07:47,110
It's not easy for a virus to be able
to move from one species to another,
1114
01:07:47,193 --> 01:07:48,986
but if you have an animal
1115
01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:51,280
like manatees coming
up from Florida,
1116
01:07:51,364 --> 01:07:54,909
maybe they have never
had exposure to influenza
1117
01:07:54,992 --> 01:07:56,244
ever as a species,
1118
01:07:56,285 --> 01:07:59,247
so if they come into
contact with gray seals
1119
01:07:59,330 --> 01:08:01,165
that are, are shedding
out influenza,
1120
01:08:01,249 --> 01:08:03,418
that introduces a
higher likelihood
1121
01:08:03,459 --> 01:08:06,587
of having that
cross-species interaction.
1122
01:08:06,629 --> 01:08:09,215
All of those different
reassortments
1123
01:08:09,257 --> 01:08:11,092
that can happen in wild animals,
1124
01:08:11,175 --> 01:08:13,761
the training ground on
another mammalian host,
1125
01:08:13,845 --> 01:08:16,013
and then the opportunity
for those new variants
1126
01:08:16,097 --> 01:08:17,306
to come into humans
1127
01:08:17,389 --> 01:08:20,560
that we don't have a
pre-existing immunity to,
1128
01:08:20,601 --> 01:08:23,688
is a sort of scenario that
leaves us incredibly susceptible
1129
01:08:23,771 --> 01:08:26,524
to that becoming a
pandemic situation.
1130
01:08:29,777 --> 01:08:31,904
It's easy to get caught up
1131
01:08:31,946 --> 01:08:36,784
in the kind of "Jaws"
-esque angle to things,
1132
01:08:36,826 --> 01:08:38,536
and take our eye off
the bigger picture
1133
01:08:38,619 --> 01:08:40,288
that really we should
be thinking about,
1134
01:08:40,371 --> 01:08:42,456
which is that the
health of one species
1135
01:08:42,540 --> 01:08:45,043
really does impact all of us.
1136
01:09:02,810 --> 01:09:05,396
Franchitto: The, uh,
black flag is up.
1137
01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:07,647
Uh, apparently, they sighted
a shark at this beach.
1138
01:09:07,732 --> 01:09:09,984
So the water's
clear for an hour.
1139
01:09:10,067 --> 01:09:12,361
- Beachgoer: For an hour?
- Yeah.
1140
01:09:12,445 --> 01:09:14,155
- So...
- Beachgoer: Okay.
1141
01:09:14,197 --> 01:09:15,966
I just thought... Yeah,
I just found out myself.
1142
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:17,658
- Beachgoer: Oh.
- Yeah.
1143
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:20,179
- Beachgoer: They know how to deal with that, I guess.
- Yeah. I guess.
1144
01:09:20,203 --> 01:09:21,536
You know, just
be careful. Yeah.
1145
01:09:21,621 --> 01:09:24,331
- Beachgoer: Thanks for telling us.
- Yep, you got it.
1146
01:09:44,268 --> 01:09:47,146
I think I'll just have
a small dish of twist,
1147
01:09:47,188 --> 01:09:48,313
chocolate vanilla twist.
1148
01:09:48,356 --> 01:09:51,984
- Server: Okay.
- That's all I'll have, yeah.
1149
01:09:52,026 --> 01:09:53,777
Hello.
1150
01:09:59,450 --> 01:10:01,536
Franchitto: I think we'd
be better off if we realize
1151
01:10:01,577 --> 01:10:05,248
that we're one strand
in the web of life...
1152
01:10:07,125 --> 01:10:08,668
instead of thinking ourselves as
1153
01:10:08,710 --> 01:10:13,756
the dominant species that
can control everything.
1154
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,595
Humankind must learn humility
in the face of nature.
1155
01:10:23,057 --> 01:10:24,350
If you go out in the water,
1156
01:10:24,392 --> 01:10:27,729
you gotta take that
chance, however slim it is.
1157
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,491
Here you go.
1158
01:10:40,575 --> 01:10:43,411
This is... this is the
oldie but goodie right here.
1159
01:10:43,453 --> 01:10:44,579
I used to be, like,
1160
01:10:44,662 --> 01:10:47,039
four feet tall
riding this thing,
1161
01:10:47,081 --> 01:10:48,583
getting pushed into the wave.
1162
01:10:55,339 --> 01:10:57,219
Kartsounis: Do you think
you might go out today?
1163
01:10:57,550 --> 01:11:00,720
I would like to just because
of what the event is.
1164
01:11:01,220 --> 01:11:02,805
Been a big part of
my childhood, so...
1165
01:11:02,889 --> 01:11:06,809
But I haven't surfed on Cape
since the day it happened, so...
1166
01:11:06,893 --> 01:11:08,293
Kartsounis: It's
one of those things
1167
01:11:08,352 --> 01:11:10,271
where you have to kind
of weigh everything,
1168
01:11:10,354 --> 01:11:12,940
and, uh, I understand,
so just let me know.
1169
01:11:13,024 --> 01:11:15,443
I mean, you-you don't
have to paddle out.
1170
01:11:15,526 --> 01:11:17,278
- You don't have to do anything.
- Right.
1171
01:11:17,361 --> 01:11:19,614
- You just sit there and watch.
- Yeah.
1172
01:11:22,450 --> 01:11:24,118
Announcer:
You are all welcome
1173
01:11:24,202 --> 01:11:27,955
to the 373rd version
1174
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:31,459
of the Oldtimers Classic.
1175
01:11:31,501 --> 01:11:36,255
It is time for us all
to ride the wild surf.
1176
01:11:36,297 --> 01:11:38,257
Social Security, you're up next.
1177
01:11:38,299 --> 01:11:40,635
Social Security,
4:00, up front.
1178
01:11:40,676 --> 01:11:42,178
Bring your board down.
1179
01:11:42,261 --> 01:11:44,680
The real Cape Cod
Oldtimers here.
1180
01:11:44,764 --> 01:11:46,367
Whoo-hoo! Here we go!
1181
01:11:46,391 --> 01:11:48,768
Announcer: Give 'em
a hero's welcome.
1182
01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:50,353
John, oh, my God.
1183
01:11:50,436 --> 01:11:51,996
Yeah, I thought this
was a single thing.
1184
01:11:52,063 --> 01:11:53,731
I know. Sweet, guys.
1185
01:11:53,815 --> 01:11:55,149
Announcer: And off you go!
1186
01:11:55,191 --> 01:11:57,527
Announcer: Ride the wild surf!
1187
01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:59,320
Surfer 1: All
right. Here we go.
1188
01:11:59,404 --> 01:12:02,240
- Surfer 2: Whoo!
- Surfer 1: Here we go!
1189
01:12:22,176 --> 01:12:26,055
- John's coming in.
- He's gonna get up in a little...
1190
01:12:26,139 --> 01:12:27,265
Oh!
1191
01:12:27,348 --> 01:12:29,016
He gave up...
1192
01:12:41,028 --> 01:12:44,657
Clementin, come on down!
Clementin, please come over!
1193
01:12:44,699 --> 01:12:47,201
Grab your board. Come
on. I see you hiding.
1194
01:12:47,285 --> 01:12:49,537
I see you hiding.
1195
01:12:49,620 --> 01:12:52,206
- Surfer: Katie!
- Katie!
1196
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:54,208
Katie!
1197
01:12:55,877 --> 01:12:57,003
And Alexandra!
1198
01:12:57,045 --> 01:12:59,630
Announcer: Okay, let's hear it
1199
01:12:59,714 --> 01:13:02,258
for the women
surfers of Cape Cod!
1200
01:13:16,981 --> 01:13:17,899
Dana, what'd you do?
1201
01:13:17,982 --> 01:13:19,662
I heard you had the
first wave of the heat.
1202
01:13:19,692 --> 01:13:21,587
- Franchitto: That's why I took it.
- You did.
1203
01:13:21,611 --> 01:13:22,904
- Taylor: Yes.
- I did? Okay.
1204
01:13:22,987 --> 01:13:24,787
It's the longest wave
I've ever seen you ride.
1205
01:13:24,822 --> 01:13:26,258
Taylor: Yeah. You were
rocking out there.
1206
01:13:26,282 --> 01:13:28,093
- I was, like, screaming for you.
- Franchitto: Oh, yeah.
1207
01:13:28,117 --> 01:13:30,244
I heard the screaming and
I'm like, "Wow."
1208
01:13:30,286 --> 01:13:34,499
Announcer: Third place, we have Dana Ducktape. Dana!
1209
01:13:34,582 --> 01:13:38,878
Announcer: Second
place, Alexandria K...
1210
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,714
because I can't
pronounce her last name.
1211
01:13:41,756 --> 01:13:43,549
There she is. Thank you.
1212
01:14:04,654 --> 01:14:06,322
Sette: Holy moly.
Look at that.
1213
01:14:06,406 --> 01:14:11,077
Two of their... one, one of their
engines is the value of this.
1214
01:14:12,745 --> 01:14:14,705
We're heading to
the outer harbor.
1215
01:14:14,789 --> 01:14:17,583
There's several hundred
gray seals that,
1216
01:14:17,625 --> 01:14:19,961
they don't literally haul out,
1217
01:14:20,044 --> 01:14:23,923
but they sit on the bottom
where it's really shallow.
1218
01:14:25,425 --> 01:14:29,095
All these animals, it's always
just the balance between, like,
1219
01:14:29,137 --> 01:14:34,142
food, rest, growth, sex,
1220
01:14:34,183 --> 01:14:36,936
and escaping predators, so,
1221
01:14:36,978 --> 01:14:39,480
like, "Let's find that
niche of the beach
1222
01:14:39,522 --> 01:14:42,692
where I can take a nap
and not get eaten."
1223
01:15:13,347 --> 01:15:15,641
Sette: Oh, wow.
1224
01:15:15,683 --> 01:15:18,227
There's a dead humpback.
1225
01:15:18,311 --> 01:15:19,479
Bryan Legare: Where?
1226
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,273
Sette: West of the
southwest corner,
1227
01:15:22,356 --> 01:15:24,567
right out here.
1228
01:15:24,650 --> 01:15:25,985
Legare: Do we go?
1229
01:15:26,027 --> 01:15:27,320
Um...
1230
01:15:33,534 --> 01:15:35,578
Legare: I said, uh,
"Scott, Bryan here.
1231
01:15:35,661 --> 01:15:37,497
"Uh, we heard
there's a dead whale.
1232
01:15:37,538 --> 01:15:38,831
"Skomal is on the water.
1233
01:15:38,873 --> 01:15:41,167
And if he had a better
location, that would help us."
1234
01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:43,669
It's a... you know, it's
the needle in the haystack.
1235
01:15:43,711 --> 01:15:46,255
Like, in your mind a dead
whale is gonna be huge.
1236
01:15:46,339 --> 01:15:49,133
It's actually really...
They're really hard to find.
1237
01:16:21,124 --> 01:16:22,667
Sette: Wow.
1238
01:16:24,085 --> 01:16:26,546
- Look at all the petrels.
- Legare: Yeah.
1239
01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:29,048
Sette: So, you can see
all the little bits
1240
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:31,509
that's kind of broke
down on the whale.
1241
01:16:31,592 --> 01:16:34,345
That's wonderful fat
for a small seabird
1242
01:16:34,429 --> 01:16:36,389
like a Wilson's storm petrel.
1243
01:16:40,935 --> 01:16:44,272
A whale floating at the surface
like this, as it breaks down,
1244
01:16:44,355 --> 01:16:48,025
it's gonna provide lots of feeding
opportunities for these birds.
1245
01:16:48,109 --> 01:16:50,111
And these birds
will migrate south.
1246
01:16:50,153 --> 01:16:52,572
And they're so small,
so fat stores for them.
1247
01:16:52,613 --> 01:16:53,948
It's really important.
1248
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:56,367
So a boost like this will
probably be good for this...
1249
01:16:56,451 --> 01:17:00,037
Look at how many there are
just trailing behind us here.
1250
01:17:00,121 --> 01:17:01,664
It's beautiful.
1251
01:17:06,169 --> 01:17:08,254
Legare: You can see
how quickly, you know,
1252
01:17:08,296 --> 01:17:11,716
this animal's being
reclaimed into the ecosystem.
1253
01:17:14,802 --> 01:17:16,679
Sette: It's powerful, right?
1254
01:17:16,763 --> 01:17:19,766
Most people don't think
about whales when they die.
1255
01:17:22,268 --> 01:17:25,646
Right now, it's gassed up, but
if, if they create a cavity
1256
01:17:25,688 --> 01:17:28,649
and the gas is
released, it'll sink.
1257
01:17:28,733 --> 01:17:30,818
That's when it
becomes whale fall
1258
01:17:30,902 --> 01:17:32,070
and sinks to the bottom.
1259
01:17:32,153 --> 01:17:35,323
And then everything on
the bottom has a meal.
1260
01:17:41,913 --> 01:17:43,331
There have been sharks here.
1261
01:17:43,623 --> 01:17:47,001
Legare: Yeah. Those definitely
look like some shark bites.
1262
01:17:47,043 --> 01:17:50,505
Sette: That big open area
on the top of the whale,
1263
01:17:50,588 --> 01:17:53,466
those are all, all bites.
1264
01:17:53,508 --> 01:17:56,094
- Legare: Tow boat's here.
- Sette: Yeah, tow boat's here.
1265
01:17:56,177 --> 01:17:59,138
That's Noah. That's Noah Santos.
1266
01:17:59,180 --> 01:18:01,349
He's got a shark
cage right there.
1267
01:18:03,601 --> 01:18:05,353
Oh, my God. He is
going in that water.
1268
01:18:05,436 --> 01:18:06,562
- What?
- Legare: Yeah.
1269
01:18:06,646 --> 01:18:08,689
Sette: That is amazing.
1270
01:18:09,107 --> 01:18:11,526
Legare: Part of the
culture of Cape Cod.
1271
01:18:16,364 --> 01:18:18,825
Sette: Oh, Lord.
1272
01:18:28,710 --> 01:18:31,188
- Legare: That's not a whale watch though.
- Sette: That's the "Ock."
1273
01:18:31,212 --> 01:18:32,648
Legare: Oh, that's
Greg that's on that.
1274
01:18:32,672 --> 01:18:33,857
- Sette: Greg Skomal?
- Legare: Yeah.
1275
01:18:33,881 --> 01:18:36,175
- Sette: Oh, cool. So he's here.
- Legare: Yeah.
1276
01:18:37,385 --> 01:18:39,178
Sette: Oh, yeah. No
worries. How's it going?
1277
01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:44,767
- Oh, yeah.
- Legare: Mm-hmm.
1278
01:18:48,604 --> 01:18:49,689
Legare: Yeah.
1279
01:18:50,898 --> 01:18:52,191
Legare: Yeah.
1280
01:18:58,156 --> 01:19:02,910
Sette: So, Bryan, you see the
elliptical marks on the side here?
1281
01:19:02,994 --> 01:19:04,722
- Legare: Yeah.
- Sette: There's a shark fin right there.
1282
01:19:04,746 --> 01:19:06,890
- I just saw a shark fin.
- Legare: You just saw a shark fin?
1283
01:19:06,914 --> 01:19:08,916
Dorsal fin, yup. You
guys look this way.
1284
01:19:08,958 --> 01:19:11,061
- There was just a shark tip.
- Yeah, right in the back.
1285
01:19:11,085 --> 01:19:14,714
Sette: Yep. Oh, oh! Was that a...
Oh. Was that a white or a blue?
1286
01:19:14,756 --> 01:19:17,300
- Legare: Uh, that's not a white.
- Sette: Okay.
1287
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,870
- Sette: Oh! Right behind, that's a shark!
- Legare: Oh, look at that.
1288
01:19:27,894 --> 01:19:29,694
- Sette: Yeah.
- Legare: That's a white shark.
1289
01:19:29,729 --> 01:19:31,773
Sette: White shark!
1290
01:19:31,856 --> 01:19:33,691
- Legare: Big one.
- Sette: Yeah.
1291
01:19:33,775 --> 01:19:35,359
- RV "Ock," RV "Ock."
- Legare: Yeah!
1292
01:19:35,443 --> 01:19:38,488
Sette: This is "Volta" on 82.
1293
01:19:38,571 --> 01:19:39,530
Legare: Holy!
1294
01:19:39,572 --> 01:19:40,812
Sette: Oh, why
you coming to me?
1295
01:19:40,865 --> 01:19:42,342
- Legare: That's a...
- Sette: He is looking at us.
1296
01:19:42,366 --> 01:19:43,910
- Don't come on my...
- Legare: Tagged.
1297
01:19:43,951 --> 01:19:46,537
Sette: Yeah. Get the
dorsal fin, Bryan.
1298
01:20:00,802 --> 01:20:04,013
Legare: It's big.
It's really big.
1299
01:20:08,393 --> 01:20:12,397
Person: Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
1300
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,315
Holy fucking shit.
1301
01:20:14,357 --> 01:20:16,275
Oh, my God.
1302
01:20:29,872 --> 01:20:33,334
Noah Santos: Fucking
shit. Get me out of this!
1303
01:20:33,418 --> 01:20:36,963
Person: Oh, my God.
1304
01:20:37,004 --> 01:20:39,048
Santos: It's like
watching Jaws go by.
1305
01:20:39,132 --> 01:20:40,883
Person: Oh, my God,
babe, you did it!
1306
01:20:40,967 --> 01:20:43,010
- Santos: Whoo!
- Person: Whoo!
1307
01:20:43,094 --> 01:20:46,431
Santos: Check that off the
bucket list. Holy shit!
1308
01:21:48,242 --> 01:21:52,413
Mayo: The ecosystem provides
balance and stability
1309
01:21:52,497 --> 01:21:55,625
if we'll just give it
balance and stability.
1310
01:21:58,252 --> 01:22:03,257
Those of us who live here
see little snapshots.
1311
01:22:03,299 --> 01:22:06,427
As this ecosystem changes,
1312
01:22:06,511 --> 01:22:10,515
the snapshots
become more telling.
1313
01:22:10,598 --> 01:22:13,851
One can imagine that
Native Americans,
1314
01:22:13,935 --> 01:22:15,269
who lived on these shores,
1315
01:22:15,311 --> 01:22:17,105
probably saw little difference
1316
01:22:17,188 --> 01:22:20,858
in, in the coming and
going of fish and birds,
1317
01:22:20,942 --> 01:22:22,860
and, and whales,
1318
01:22:22,944 --> 01:22:27,073
probably for millennia.
1319
01:22:27,115 --> 01:22:30,535
Now in a lifetime we're
seeing those differences.
1320
01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:36,916
My grandfather said that
when my ancestors came here,
1321
01:22:36,958 --> 01:22:39,460
there was an abundance
of fish such that
1322
01:22:39,544 --> 01:22:42,296
in this very location,
right in the harbor,
1323
01:22:42,380 --> 01:22:46,843
they fished with
big wicker baskets.
1324
01:22:46,926 --> 01:22:48,761
It was a time of balance.
1325
01:22:48,803 --> 01:22:55,435
And this ecosystem right now
one feels, I certainly feel,
1326
01:22:55,476 --> 01:22:58,396
is in a state where it's
trying to find the balance.
1327
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:04,026
But human activities have
imbalanced the system.
1328
01:23:04,110 --> 01:23:05,528
Finding that balance,
1329
01:23:05,611 --> 01:23:10,158
and finding how humans can live
with that balance is not easy.
1330
01:23:24,213 --> 01:23:26,674
- Really looks pretty today.
- Person: Yeah.
1331
01:23:28,259 --> 01:23:30,362
- Did you see the whale?
- Blake: No, I didn't. Did you?
1332
01:23:30,386 --> 01:23:32,239
Person: I... Yeah. Your
mother, when she went down
1333
01:23:32,263 --> 01:23:33,931
and said there's a whale coming,
1334
01:23:34,015 --> 01:23:36,476
- I saw the spout.
- Blake: Oh, nice.
1335
01:23:37,477 --> 01:23:40,021
We're going up because we're
gonna pull the chair up.
1336
01:23:40,104 --> 01:23:41,498
Oh, you're pulling
the chair up too?
1337
01:23:41,522 --> 01:23:42,875
- All right. - Blake: Yep.
- Person: Thanks, Dana.
1338
01:23:42,899 --> 01:23:44,168
I don't know if
there's any space.
1339
01:23:44,192 --> 01:23:46,277
Blake: That's all right.
We'll figure it out. Thanks.
1340
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,404
The lifeguards are
taking up their chairs,
1341
01:23:48,488 --> 01:23:50,215
- so there's no more lifeguards.
- Beachgoer: Oh.
1342
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:52,033
Yeah, if there's
a shark out there,
1343
01:23:52,116 --> 01:23:54,535
you won't know unless you
happen to see the fin.
1344
01:24:03,211 --> 01:24:05,380
Person: Up, up, up, up, up!
1345
01:24:16,849 --> 01:24:19,727
Wilkinson: When my parents bought
a piece of land in Wellfleet,
1346
01:24:19,769 --> 01:24:21,813
there were no houses,
it was all woods.
1347
01:24:24,732 --> 01:24:28,736
In those days, you felt
you'd reached an outpost.
1348
01:24:29,612 --> 01:24:33,408
The land was wild
and uncontaminated.
1349
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:39,330
Only by a, a thumbnail is
the Cape still a wild place.
1350
01:24:39,414 --> 01:24:42,917
You know, it's this tiny
little vest pocket park.
1351
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,627
Too many people use it.
1352
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,297
It's just holding on,
1353
01:24:48,381 --> 01:24:51,217
just holding on for
its ecological life.
1354
01:25:07,483 --> 01:25:08,877
Blake: I mean, I'm
a little worried,
1355
01:25:08,901 --> 01:25:11,320
because, like, we're
still in peak shark season
1356
01:25:11,404 --> 01:25:13,465
and people are still going
to be coming to the beach.
1357
01:25:13,489 --> 01:25:14,800
I mean, some of
us will be around.
1358
01:25:14,824 --> 01:25:17,577
So, we'll keep an eye
out, like, unofficially.
1359
01:25:21,122 --> 01:25:22,623
We'll definitely be
looking for sharks
1360
01:25:22,665 --> 01:25:24,083
'cause we can never turn it off,
1361
01:25:24,125 --> 01:25:25,543
and we can never
stop lifeguarding.
1362
01:25:25,626 --> 01:25:28,838
Hopefully people
will pay attention.103177
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