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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,572 --> 00:00:09,183 OK, there's lots of good Canadian music out there. 2 00:00:09,183 --> 00:00:11,141 We're gonna do a couple of songs. 3 00:00:11,141 --> 00:00:15,319 Uh, for anybody from Alberta, this is Four Strong Winds. 4 00:00:15,319 --> 00:00:20,237 ♪ Four strong winds that blow lonely ♪ 5 00:00:20,237 --> 00:00:23,197 ♪ Seven seas that run high ♪ 6 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:27,375 My name is Tamara Lee Reynolds. 7 00:00:27,375 --> 00:00:30,465 ♪ Change come what may ♪ 8 00:00:30,465 --> 00:00:33,729 We've been playing about ten years. 9 00:00:33,729 --> 00:00:36,340 One of the ladies in my book club 10 00:00:36,340 --> 00:00:38,386 offered to teach us in her home. 11 00:00:38,386 --> 00:00:41,041 So about seven of us signed up. 12 00:00:41,041 --> 00:00:42,738 And then the class kept getting bigger. 13 00:00:45,001 --> 00:00:47,438 Bars and nightclubs and, you know, whatever. 14 00:00:47,438 --> 00:00:50,006 Yeah, Jimmy Fallon might get word of us. 15 00:00:54,489 --> 00:00:56,012 That was fun. 16 00:01:00,843 --> 00:01:03,498 I'm the proud mother of four boys. 17 00:01:03,498 --> 00:01:04,803 This is Ryan. 18 00:01:04,803 --> 00:01:09,721 This is Jeffrey, Terry, and Patrick. 19 00:01:09,721 --> 00:01:13,290 Ryan kind of was an old soul, and I 20 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:15,727 always say that I think he brought himself up. 21 00:01:15,727 --> 00:01:18,426 You know, he had the example of the older boys, 22 00:01:18,426 --> 00:01:20,167 who kind of looked out for him. 23 00:01:20,167 --> 00:01:26,477 And, um, he just had, um, some wisdom about him. 24 00:01:26,477 --> 00:01:30,829 But it was not easy growing up as Jim Reynolds' sons. 25 00:01:30,829 --> 00:01:33,528 Sometimes Jim was not-- like, a lot of times-- 26 00:01:33,528 --> 00:01:35,617 not emotionally available. 27 00:01:35,617 --> 00:01:39,186 So I--my role, as far as I can see it, 28 00:01:39,186 --> 00:01:41,666 was to be emotionally available for the kids. 29 00:01:41,666 --> 00:01:43,451 Um, that was a tough time, 30 00:01:43,451 --> 00:01:46,062 and it was very hard for me 31 00:01:46,062 --> 00:01:50,980 because I could see he was overdisciplining the kids. 32 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:52,764 But he didn't know any differently. 33 00:01:52,764 --> 00:01:54,679 He would just explode, 34 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:56,507 occasionally, you know, throw something 35 00:01:56,507 --> 00:01:58,901 against the wall that had to be fixed after, 36 00:01:58,901 --> 00:02:01,643 and then he went, damn, I got to fix all this now. 37 00:02:01,643 --> 00:02:05,168 And I went, yep. 38 00:02:05,168 --> 00:02:07,127 You know, I think he kind of forgot to have fun 39 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,129 with them too. 40 00:02:11,305 --> 00:02:13,655 When he was diagnosed with Parkinson's, 41 00:02:13,655 --> 00:02:15,047 it was a--a downward journey. 42 00:02:15,047 --> 00:02:17,093 It was a tough situation. 43 00:02:20,444 --> 00:02:24,492 Ryan would love to have Jim here 44 00:02:24,492 --> 00:02:27,364 to see how well he's doing, 45 00:02:27,364 --> 00:02:29,279 as would the other boys. 46 00:02:29,279 --> 00:02:32,978 Jim did the best he could with what he knew at the time. 47 00:02:32,978 --> 00:02:36,895 His emotional kit was a little lacking, not quite adequate. 48 00:02:36,895 --> 00:02:40,769 I'm pleased as a mom to see all four boys 49 00:02:40,769 --> 00:02:44,120 reconciling the past in a way that works for them. 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,342 They know that Jim would have been so proud of them. 51 00:02:51,954 --> 00:02:55,175 ♪ Don't forget where you came from ♪ 52 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:57,916 ♪ Don't forget what you're made of ♪ 53 00:02:57,916 --> 00:03:00,789 ♪ The ones who were there ♪ 54 00:03:00,789 --> 00:03:04,053 ♪ When no one else would care ♪ 55 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:07,230 ♪ Don't be afraid to cry now ♪ 56 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:11,365 ♪ Even when the world comes crashing in ♪ 57 00:03:13,497 --> 00:03:17,936 ♪ Don't forget to sing when you win ♪ 58 00:03:22,593 --> 00:03:26,902 ♪ Don't forget to sing when you win ♪ 59 00:03:31,602 --> 00:03:32,908 My relationship with my father 60 00:03:32,908 --> 00:03:37,217 was almost exclusively tethered and held together 61 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:40,872 by our mutual love of sports. 62 00:03:40,872 --> 00:03:42,396 It was kind of everything, you know, 63 00:03:42,396 --> 00:03:44,441 the only thing we talked about, so it was just so much. 64 00:03:44,441 --> 00:03:46,617 It was such a harbor in the tempest 65 00:03:46,617 --> 00:03:47,923 there for so many people. 66 00:03:47,923 --> 00:03:49,098 It's a safe place to always return to. 67 00:03:49,098 --> 00:03:50,926 - Yeah. - So no matter what happens, 68 00:03:50,926 --> 00:03:52,928 no matter how frayed or fractured 69 00:03:52,928 --> 00:03:54,408 your relationship might be, 70 00:03:54,408 --> 00:03:56,236 it's a common ground that you can always... 71 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:57,411 Yeah. 72 00:03:57,411 --> 00:03:59,413 Come back to and reset and restart. 73 00:03:59,413 --> 00:04:01,806 This is a generational experience. 74 00:04:01,806 --> 00:04:04,766 Um, and there are so many things that we pass on-- 75 00:04:04,766 --> 00:04:07,377 that we inherit and that we pass on. 76 00:04:07,377 --> 00:04:09,597 When I think about this experience with Wrexham, 77 00:04:09,597 --> 00:04:11,425 I try to think of all the wonderful things 78 00:04:11,425 --> 00:04:13,035 that were passed down to me. 79 00:04:13,035 --> 00:04:16,647 And I try to take the best parts of those things 80 00:04:16,647 --> 00:04:19,433 and give those to my children. 81 00:04:19,433 --> 00:04:20,608 My kids are obsessed with Wrexham. 82 00:04:20,608 --> 00:04:22,044 They're obsessed with Wrexham. 83 00:04:25,961 --> 00:04:27,832 Wrexham! Wrexham! 84 00:04:27,832 --> 00:04:32,141 Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham! 85 00:04:32,141 --> 00:04:33,621 Come on, Ollie. 86 00:04:33,621 --> 00:04:35,710 Very fortunate to have a father 87 00:04:35,710 --> 00:04:38,321 who's very much in my life and my kids' lives. 88 00:04:38,321 --> 00:04:41,106 And, you know, to have a great relationship with him is-- 89 00:04:41,106 --> 00:04:42,804 is fantastic for me and--and my kids 90 00:04:42,804 --> 00:04:45,023 because, you know, I--I say to people, 91 00:04:45,023 --> 00:04:46,590 he's like one of my best mates, you know. 92 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:47,896 Oh! 93 00:04:47,896 --> 00:04:52,204 Oh, for--come on. What? Tozer. 94 00:04:52,204 --> 00:04:55,033 Oh, no, I was just-- 95 00:04:55,033 --> 00:04:58,298 When you become a parent, my first thought was, 96 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,212 what a wanker I used to be. 97 00:05:00,212 --> 00:05:02,084 - Wow. - What do you mean, used to be? 98 00:05:02,084 --> 00:05:06,828 Yeah, so I just felt like I had so many thank-yous 99 00:05:06,828 --> 00:05:08,046 to give to my parents. 100 00:05:08,046 --> 00:05:10,832 And I--I was kind of in awe 101 00:05:10,832 --> 00:05:13,008 of what they'd done for me growing up. 102 00:05:13,008 --> 00:05:15,010 I think, with me, though, I'm not really 103 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:16,968 spending much quality time with my children, 104 00:05:16,968 --> 00:05:18,448 apart from on a Sunday. 105 00:05:20,276 --> 00:05:21,799 Daddy. What? 106 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:25,542 Ollie, do you want coffee or tea? 107 00:05:25,542 --> 00:05:27,457 No, I won't have any caffeine till the game. 108 00:05:27,457 --> 00:05:29,329 I'll have tea-- actually, do you know what? 109 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:31,505 I think there's more caffeine in tea than there is coffee. 110 00:05:31,505 --> 00:05:32,854 So do you want a coffee or a tea? 111 00:05:32,854 --> 00:05:34,464 Yeah, fuck it. 112 00:05:34,464 --> 00:05:35,683 So a coffee or a tea? 113 00:05:35,683 --> 00:05:37,293 Yeah, I'll have a coffee, please. 114 00:05:37,293 --> 00:05:39,469 It's been hard for me because I've been away from my family. 115 00:05:39,469 --> 00:05:41,602 40 number 6. 116 00:05:41,602 --> 00:05:43,821 If we could move Wrexham down to London, 117 00:05:43,821 --> 00:05:45,649 that would be ideal scenario. 118 00:05:45,649 --> 00:05:49,566 But that's unfortunately impossible, so yeah, 119 00:05:49,566 --> 00:05:51,612 we've just got to keep-- keep going, 120 00:05:51,612 --> 00:05:53,048 making it work how we are. 121 00:05:53,048 --> 00:05:54,615 And we've kind of found a bit of a middle ground now 122 00:05:54,615 --> 00:05:57,357 with how I travel up and staying up here 123 00:05:57,357 --> 00:06:00,229 and getting home and being at home at the right times and... 124 00:06:00,229 --> 00:06:02,057 It's been over a year now since-- 125 00:06:02,057 --> 00:06:03,450 Yeah, it's been over a year 126 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:05,060 since I've actually been at home on a match day. 127 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:07,715 Yeah, this is as normal as-- and as homely 128 00:06:07,715 --> 00:06:09,586 as it would get, I guess. 129 00:06:09,586 --> 00:06:10,892 Isn't it? 130 00:06:10,892 --> 00:06:12,589 Sometimes my wife says, you know, this isn't-- 131 00:06:12,589 --> 00:06:14,417 this isn't what married life's meant to be like. 132 00:06:14,417 --> 00:06:16,767 But what is it meant to be like? 133 00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:18,943 I don't know. I don't know. 134 00:06:18,943 --> 00:06:20,510 You've got to make do, and you've got to work things 135 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:23,078 out and, uh, make sacrifices. 136 00:06:23,078 --> 00:06:24,906 And she understands that, 137 00:06:24,906 --> 00:06:26,951 and my kids are learning to understand that. 138 00:06:26,951 --> 00:06:28,475 Or was it Mummy? 139 00:06:28,475 --> 00:06:30,781 I am actually missing that-- his football, 140 00:06:30,781 --> 00:06:32,740 which is our biggest passion together. 141 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:35,395 You know, he gets upset about me not being there. 142 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:37,092 My dad was away a lot. 143 00:06:37,092 --> 00:06:38,833 And, um, for me, that was always exciting 144 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:40,312 to have my dad at football games. 145 00:06:40,312 --> 00:06:42,924 I remember I used to be like, yes, Dad's here, 146 00:06:42,924 --> 00:06:44,708 because it wasn't an everyday occurrence 147 00:06:44,708 --> 00:06:46,449 because you had work. 148 00:06:48,712 --> 00:06:50,105 Oh! 149 00:06:50,105 --> 00:06:52,455 I've always wanted to be a policeman. 150 00:06:52,455 --> 00:06:57,155 And that's what I aimed to do and actually got in at 18. 151 00:06:57,155 --> 00:07:00,332 As time went on, I went into Royalty Protection. 152 00:07:00,332 --> 00:07:02,944 I worked with various members of the royal family, 153 00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:05,381 queen being one of them. 154 00:07:05,381 --> 00:07:07,949 And then my last six years of my, uh, service, 155 00:07:07,949 --> 00:07:09,994 I was personal protection officer 156 00:07:09,994 --> 00:07:13,520 to the Prince of Wales, who is now Majesty the King. 157 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,869 I mean, there are huge moments. 158 00:07:14,869 --> 00:07:16,784 You know, there's going down the Thames 159 00:07:16,784 --> 00:07:19,221 on the royal barge for the Jubilee 160 00:07:19,221 --> 00:07:21,571 or Remembrance Sunday 161 00:07:21,571 --> 00:07:24,226 or even the Royal Albert Hall, 162 00:07:24,226 --> 00:07:26,489 uh, Royal Variety Performance 163 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:28,622 with Dame Edna Everage in the royal box, 164 00:07:28,622 --> 00:07:30,101 which is a good clip. 165 00:07:40,242 --> 00:07:43,027 To be part of all those big events, 166 00:07:43,027 --> 00:07:45,247 you know, it's such a privilege. 167 00:07:45,247 --> 00:07:50,121 But it entailed going away for two or three days a week 168 00:07:50,121 --> 00:07:52,733 or even two weeks at times. 169 00:07:52,733 --> 00:07:54,082 Come on, Ollie. That's it. 170 00:07:54,082 --> 00:07:55,736 Control it. 171 00:07:55,736 --> 00:07:59,043 There were times when they were younger when Ollie's got a-- 172 00:07:59,043 --> 00:08:01,742 you know, he's in the semifinal of a cup match 173 00:08:01,742 --> 00:08:04,135 or a school play. 174 00:08:04,135 --> 00:08:06,529 Or you've organized to go out and do something, 175 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:09,489 and all of a sudden, the day before or two days before, 176 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,360 it's totally rearranged, 177 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,841 and--and you disappoint the family, 178 00:08:13,841 --> 00:08:15,756 um, that you're not gonna be there. 179 00:08:15,756 --> 00:08:18,672 I mean, you have to ask Ollie how many times I've-- 180 00:08:18,672 --> 00:08:20,674 I've disappointed him over the years, 181 00:08:20,674 --> 00:08:22,850 together with his brother and sister. 182 00:08:24,939 --> 00:08:27,028 My mum and dad, obviously, divorced 183 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:29,987 when I was about 11 or 12. 184 00:08:29,987 --> 00:08:32,773 I was very happily married to Ollie's dad. 185 00:08:32,773 --> 00:08:34,992 Um... 186 00:08:34,992 --> 00:08:37,429 we had a--I thought we had a great marriage. 187 00:08:37,429 --> 00:08:40,520 And we had three wonderful children. 188 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,480 I was very confident about the future 189 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,615 and, um, loved our family life. 190 00:08:48,615 --> 00:08:50,530 But then Andy left. 191 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:54,055 I was devastated because I always thought 192 00:08:54,055 --> 00:08:56,231 that I would always be married to Andy. 193 00:08:56,231 --> 00:08:59,190 I, you know, loved him a lot, um, 194 00:08:59,190 --> 00:09:02,585 so I suppose it--it... 195 00:09:02,585 --> 00:09:04,979 blew my world apart. 196 00:09:04,979 --> 00:09:08,460 Any marital split-up with--with children involved 197 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:12,160 is a huge upset. 198 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,469 That was a very difficult time for me personally. 199 00:09:17,469 --> 00:09:21,299 How do I go about telling my three children, 200 00:09:21,299 --> 00:09:24,346 who I love to bits, that-- 201 00:09:24,346 --> 00:09:26,957 that Daddy is not gonna be around anymore 202 00:09:26,957 --> 00:09:30,831 and Daddy's gonna move out of the house? 203 00:09:30,831 --> 00:09:34,574 That was, like, a really fucking hard day. Um... 204 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:39,404 It's more--it's more the arguing of my mum and my dad. 205 00:09:39,404 --> 00:09:41,624 That's what I really remember, just sitting in-- 206 00:09:41,624 --> 00:09:43,191 in the study... Yeah. 207 00:09:43,191 --> 00:09:46,281 And hearing you two arguing in the dining room. 208 00:09:46,281 --> 00:09:47,674 And then we was all crying. 209 00:09:47,674 --> 00:09:49,676 Yeah. 210 00:09:49,676 --> 00:09:52,809 It wasn't an easy divorce. 211 00:09:52,809 --> 00:09:54,681 I'll put it that way. 212 00:09:54,681 --> 00:09:58,510 At that point in time when-- when he left, we didn't know. 213 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,338 I didn't know the reason. 214 00:10:00,338 --> 00:10:02,471 Um, kept thinking it was another woman. 215 00:10:04,081 --> 00:10:08,956 I didn't find out the truth until months later. 216 00:10:08,956 --> 00:10:10,784 Well, it took a long time. 217 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:13,395 It didn't--it wasn't an overnight decision. 218 00:10:13,395 --> 00:10:17,878 It was months and months of deciding 219 00:10:17,878 --> 00:10:20,184 of what route do I take, 220 00:10:20,184 --> 00:10:23,274 and how do I go about telling my children 221 00:10:23,274 --> 00:10:25,799 their dad is also gay? 222 00:10:30,847 --> 00:10:32,109 On my agenda: 223 00:10:32,109 --> 00:10:34,895 uh, players' house, match-day travel, 224 00:10:34,895 --> 00:10:37,724 program, safeguarding, 225 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:40,988 match confirmations to other clubs, 226 00:10:40,988 --> 00:10:44,905 match officials, scouts, um, a bit on medical. 227 00:10:44,905 --> 00:10:46,646 Mitch, can you speak to Lee 228 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:48,822 about, um, menus for next season? 229 00:10:48,822 --> 00:10:50,258 Yeah. 230 00:10:50,258 --> 00:10:51,694 Uh, and then just some practical bits 231 00:10:51,694 --> 00:10:53,000 around training schedules, really, 232 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,566 so everybody's aligned. 233 00:10:54,566 --> 00:10:57,352 So yeah, a bit varied, in no particular order. 234 00:10:59,310 --> 00:11:03,184 Every day is different within a football club. 235 00:11:03,184 --> 00:11:04,446 Particularly here, over the last two years, 236 00:11:04,446 --> 00:11:06,840 it's--we've seen such a growth. 237 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,190 It's definitely a daily challenge. 238 00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:10,670 It's like you've got a castle of gin. 239 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:13,063 I know. I haven't got tempted yet. 240 00:11:14,412 --> 00:11:16,240 I'm sure I will at some point, but not yet. 241 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,330 For the family, it's, you know, the people who don't see you, 242 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:20,549 you know, for six days a week 243 00:11:20,549 --> 00:11:22,507 and phone calls on Christmas Day 244 00:11:22,507 --> 00:11:24,379 or in the night and all sorts of things, 245 00:11:24,379 --> 00:11:26,033 but, you know, that--that's what you take on 246 00:11:26,033 --> 00:11:28,644 and that's what you love, really. 247 00:11:28,644 --> 00:11:31,342 Yeah, I think, to get me here, there's not been any sort of, 248 00:11:31,342 --> 00:11:33,040 you know, one defining moment. 249 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,999 I think it's many years of, um, probably working 250 00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:38,045 in a family business and working for my father, 251 00:11:38,045 --> 00:11:40,308 where there is no favoritism or anything like that. 252 00:11:40,308 --> 00:11:41,657 You have to work harder than everybody else 253 00:11:41,657 --> 00:11:42,876 to prove yourself. 254 00:11:42,876 --> 00:11:44,791 And, uh, that put me in good stead 255 00:11:44,791 --> 00:11:47,881 for, you know, what I'm doing now. 256 00:11:47,881 --> 00:11:49,883 So my father originally was at Burton Albion. 257 00:11:49,883 --> 00:11:52,189 I think he started as a commercial manager 258 00:11:52,189 --> 00:11:54,235 and then was a chairman first time round. 259 00:11:54,235 --> 00:11:55,715 So when I was a child, I can remember 260 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:58,108 sitting with the tea ladies in the tearoom 261 00:11:58,108 --> 00:12:01,068 and then, after the matches, sitting in the changing rooms 262 00:12:01,068 --> 00:12:02,678 while my dad spoke to the manager 263 00:12:02,678 --> 00:12:05,246 after the game, which I have very vivid memories 264 00:12:05,246 --> 00:12:07,074 of the-- the old-style baths there 265 00:12:07,074 --> 00:12:08,858 with all the dirty water in it 266 00:12:08,858 --> 00:12:10,468 and the smell of liniment everywhere. 267 00:12:10,468 --> 00:12:12,557 But, uh... 268 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:14,168 Well, when you're a child, 269 00:12:14,168 --> 00:12:15,952 you don't think about it, do you, particularly? 270 00:12:15,952 --> 00:12:18,085 You just, you know, go with your dad to watch football. 271 00:12:18,085 --> 00:12:20,000 And--but now I look back, you know, 272 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,915 we've had some very special times together 273 00:12:21,915 --> 00:12:24,091 and, uh, you know, moments that, 274 00:12:24,091 --> 00:12:25,266 you know, last forever, really, 275 00:12:25,266 --> 00:12:26,354 creating those moments. 276 00:12:26,354 --> 00:12:28,312 So it's been great. 277 00:12:28,312 --> 00:12:29,792 And that's--that's the only day I've seen you 278 00:12:29,792 --> 00:12:32,360 with tears in your eyes, on the day, uh, I left. 279 00:12:33,491 --> 00:12:34,841 I've learned everything, you know, 280 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:36,799 from working with my dad, you know, 281 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:39,889 from the values that he brings, you know, 282 00:12:39,889 --> 00:12:41,369 that community engagement, 283 00:12:41,369 --> 00:12:43,284 which has always been the--the main priority. 284 00:12:43,284 --> 00:12:44,589 You--you create the right culture 285 00:12:44,589 --> 00:12:46,591 within your environment. 286 00:12:46,591 --> 00:12:48,637 He's the oldest kitman in the country. 287 00:12:48,637 --> 00:12:50,117 - 80... - 3. 288 00:12:50,117 --> 00:12:52,336 83, yeah. How long you been here, Rocky? 289 00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:53,947 - 29 years... - 29. 290 00:12:53,947 --> 00:12:56,471 14 days, 16 hours through now. 291 00:12:56,471 --> 00:12:58,865 My dad's starting life was--was challenging, 292 00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:01,171 you know, with his circumstances with his-- 293 00:13:01,171 --> 00:13:04,044 you know, his mom bringing him up as a single parent. 294 00:13:04,044 --> 00:13:06,524 And, you know, that's created my dad 295 00:13:06,524 --> 00:13:07,874 to be the person that he is today, 296 00:13:07,874 --> 00:13:10,137 and that--that's filtered to myself. 297 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:13,314 Fleur's made a massive contribution to where-- 298 00:13:13,314 --> 00:13:15,098 to this club's success and journey 299 00:13:15,098 --> 00:13:16,534 over all those years, you know. 300 00:13:16,534 --> 00:13:18,145 My problem now is getting ahold of her. 301 00:13:18,145 --> 00:13:20,147 She's so committed and focused on Wrexham 302 00:13:20,147 --> 00:13:22,062 that it probably takes her two days to ring me back, 303 00:13:22,062 --> 00:13:24,542 you know, so that's the downside. 304 00:13:24,542 --> 00:13:26,544 Thank you. 305 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:38,469 My life was Andy Palmer, 306 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:41,211 the heterosexual married man, 307 00:13:41,211 --> 00:13:44,127 three children, um, 308 00:13:44,127 --> 00:13:45,999 being a police officer. 309 00:13:45,999 --> 00:13:47,609 Um, and now all of a sudden, 310 00:13:47,609 --> 00:13:50,133 the people that thought they knew me, 311 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:52,962 suddenly they know a different person. 312 00:13:52,962 --> 00:13:56,183 Yeah, it was a shock, shock to my system. 313 00:13:56,183 --> 00:14:00,187 And I wished I'd found out when it happened 314 00:14:00,187 --> 00:14:02,537 and that he was honest and truthful with me. 315 00:14:02,537 --> 00:14:06,497 And we sort of kept it from the children. 316 00:14:06,497 --> 00:14:09,065 Uh, and that wasn't my choice. 317 00:14:09,065 --> 00:14:12,373 We ended up telling them about 18 months later. 318 00:14:12,373 --> 00:14:14,897 They don't write books about how to go about it. 319 00:14:14,897 --> 00:14:18,727 And you never know how your children are gonna react. 320 00:14:20,337 --> 00:14:23,732 I think my oldest child found it the hardest, 321 00:14:23,732 --> 00:14:26,735 but Ollie took it in his stride, really. 322 00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:29,216 He seemed to accept it, 323 00:14:29,216 --> 00:14:32,959 accept the situation that we were in. 324 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:36,963 My dad didn't really ever express himself as a--as a-- 325 00:14:36,963 --> 00:14:38,965 as a person, as a dad. 326 00:14:38,965 --> 00:14:42,229 He didn't let us know how he was feeling. 327 00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:44,579 And we spoke about that when I got older. 328 00:14:44,579 --> 00:14:47,538 We spoke about why he kept things back. 329 00:14:47,538 --> 00:14:52,761 We spoke about why he made some decisions that he made. 330 00:14:52,761 --> 00:14:56,460 You know, he mentioned that he wanted to keep 331 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:58,723 his feelings to himself 332 00:14:58,723 --> 00:15:01,770 because I was not old enough to understand them. 333 00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:05,034 I was--that's OK. That was his choice, you know? 334 00:15:05,034 --> 00:15:07,515 Do you know what I found really comforting 335 00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:09,952 is that we did have a good marriage, 336 00:15:09,952 --> 00:15:13,086 and actually, he didn't leave me for another woman. 337 00:15:13,086 --> 00:15:15,349 Um, he actually left me for another guy. 338 00:15:15,349 --> 00:15:17,612 And I can't compete with that. 339 00:15:17,612 --> 00:15:21,877 And he did say to me, you're the only woman I'll ever love. 340 00:15:21,877 --> 00:15:25,533 And I always get a lot of comfort from that. 341 00:15:27,883 --> 00:15:29,798 I'm getting emotional now because I've never 342 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:31,452 spoken about it. 343 00:15:31,452 --> 00:15:33,323 But, you know, you're the strongest person I know. 344 00:15:33,323 --> 00:15:35,325 And I love you very much. 345 00:15:35,325 --> 00:15:37,327 And thank you for always being there for me. 346 00:15:37,327 --> 00:15:39,460 - Oh, thank you. - And you're the best. 347 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:40,635 You're the best mum I could have asked for. 348 00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:42,332 I love you too. Gosh. 349 00:15:42,332 --> 00:15:44,073 Here he comes. 350 00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:45,466 Holding up the traffic? 351 00:15:45,466 --> 00:15:47,033 Just a typical... 352 00:15:51,167 --> 00:15:52,255 Yeah. 353 00:15:52,255 --> 00:15:53,300 This is all he's done for work, 354 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:54,388 really, last 20 years. 355 00:15:54,388 --> 00:15:56,042 I appreciate that, actually. 356 00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:58,783 Must have been an extremely tough time for you, you know? 357 00:15:58,783 --> 00:16:01,308 You had a... 358 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:02,613 Certain job. 359 00:16:02,613 --> 00:16:05,355 Certain job which come with a lot of coverage. 360 00:16:05,355 --> 00:16:06,661 Yeah. 361 00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:11,144 And also, you had parents who were-- 362 00:16:11,144 --> 00:16:12,493 what's the word? 363 00:16:12,493 --> 00:16:16,149 You know what my dad said to me when I told him? 364 00:16:16,149 --> 00:16:17,324 No. 365 00:16:17,324 --> 00:16:19,456 He said, can you go-- go to the doctor 366 00:16:19,456 --> 00:16:21,937 and get any tablets for it? 367 00:16:21,937 --> 00:16:27,769 So--but that's--that's what the people of my dad's era 368 00:16:27,769 --> 00:16:30,990 would think, that you could just go to your local doctor 369 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:32,252 and get a cure for it. 370 00:16:32,252 --> 00:16:33,601 But this is the thing, right. 371 00:16:33,601 --> 00:16:36,430 As I speak to people openly about you being gay, 372 00:16:36,430 --> 00:16:38,998 by telling them, they go, my brother's gay. 373 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:40,651 Well, they feel more comfortable in your-- 374 00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:41,913 This is what happened with-- 375 00:16:41,913 --> 00:16:43,480 this is what happened with Rob McElhenney. 376 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:44,699 Yeah. 377 00:16:44,699 --> 00:16:46,483 You came to the-- to the Racecourse. 378 00:16:46,483 --> 00:16:48,094 To Wrexham, yeah. 379 00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:49,660 I said to Rob, this is my dad. 380 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:51,445 This is his partner, Mark. 381 00:16:51,445 --> 00:16:54,317 And then we traveled down to the game, 382 00:16:54,317 --> 00:16:56,363 and he traveled with us. Oh, OK. 383 00:16:56,363 --> 00:16:59,453 And I said, that wasn't his business partner, by the way. 384 00:16:59,453 --> 00:17:01,759 He said, I did have an idea. I was like, why? 385 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,502 Hi, my name is Helena McElhenney. 386 00:17:05,502 --> 00:17:07,287 My son is Rob McElhenney. 387 00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:08,940 And this is his other mom, 388 00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:11,117 my wife, Mary Taylor. 389 00:17:11,117 --> 00:17:12,770 I'm in the same position as Ollie. 390 00:17:12,770 --> 00:17:16,383 My parents got divorced when I was eight or nine. 391 00:17:16,383 --> 00:17:20,561 And as an adult, we can both look back at our parents 392 00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:23,433 and recognize the amount of courage 393 00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:26,132 that it took for them to do exactly what they did. 394 00:17:26,132 --> 00:17:29,744 I was afraid not only for my children 395 00:17:29,744 --> 00:17:31,137 but for myself. 396 00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:32,747 I have so much empathy for her 397 00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:36,229 in that situation because it was a different time. 398 00:17:36,229 --> 00:17:39,754 And anybody who's over the age of 35 399 00:17:39,754 --> 00:17:41,973 who's watching this can understand. 400 00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:43,584 And I think one of the beautiful things 401 00:17:43,584 --> 00:17:45,803 about our culture right now is, anybody under the age of 35 402 00:17:45,803 --> 00:17:47,457 might not even know what the fuck I'm talking about. 403 00:17:47,457 --> 00:17:49,938 I get asked, uh, a lot 404 00:17:49,938 --> 00:17:51,592 about what it was like to have two moms. 405 00:17:51,592 --> 00:17:53,898 And the truth is, I don't know anything different. 406 00:17:53,898 --> 00:17:56,336 Um, it was pretty great. 407 00:17:56,336 --> 00:17:59,513 It definitely shaped my view of--of the world, 408 00:17:59,513 --> 00:18:00,992 my perspective. 409 00:18:00,992 --> 00:18:03,082 We had to recognize that not every family 410 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,474 looked exactly the same. 411 00:18:04,474 --> 00:18:06,998 Uh, and yet we had nothing but love and support 412 00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:08,609 and compassion and empathy. 413 00:18:08,609 --> 00:18:11,264 I felt like, growing up, I was the only kid 414 00:18:11,264 --> 00:18:13,570 in the world with a-- with a gay dad. 415 00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:14,789 - I'm open about it now. - Yeah. 416 00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:16,051 I--I tell people. 417 00:18:16,051 --> 00:18:18,314 Uh, I mean, I don't talk about it 418 00:18:18,314 --> 00:18:20,055 like it's a--a big event. 419 00:18:20,055 --> 00:18:23,624 But, you know, if someone says, oh, um, 420 00:18:23,624 --> 00:18:25,104 is your dad married? 421 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:27,541 And they say, oh, is she coming to the game? 422 00:18:27,541 --> 00:18:28,803 I'm like, yeah, he is. 423 00:18:31,153 --> 00:18:32,546 If I could go back, 424 00:18:32,546 --> 00:18:35,070 I would tell me to not be afraid, 425 00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:39,509 to be strong and know that because you are who you are 426 00:18:39,509 --> 00:18:42,382 and you have a loving family that they'll support you. 427 00:18:47,561 --> 00:18:49,693 It's been great, really, and I wish 428 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:51,391 we probably did do it more. 429 00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:54,785 But again, we're both really laid-back. 430 00:18:54,785 --> 00:18:57,701 We probably don't speak about our emotions 431 00:18:57,701 --> 00:18:59,094 as much as what we should. 432 00:18:59,094 --> 00:19:01,444 And that's just who we are. 433 00:19:01,444 --> 00:19:03,316 But as long as my dad knows that I love him 434 00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:06,493 and I know that he loves me, then I'm happy. 435 00:19:06,493 --> 00:19:09,496 Mm. Love you too. 436 00:19:09,496 --> 00:19:10,975 Don't cry. 437 00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:15,154 No, we're fine. 438 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:16,807 - All good. - Yeah, we're good. 439 00:19:16,807 --> 00:19:19,549 - Love you. - Yeah. 440 00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:28,689 All right, simple. Good. 441 00:19:29,994 --> 00:19:32,345 So every football team is a--is a tapestry 442 00:19:32,345 --> 00:19:34,042 made up of all the different players, 443 00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:35,348 but they're united by the same goal, 444 00:19:35,348 --> 00:19:36,914 which is that they want to win. 445 00:19:36,914 --> 00:19:38,177 They want to do well for this town, this team, 446 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:41,049 and get out of this league. 447 00:19:41,049 --> 00:19:42,877 Elliot was a--was a player we'd looked at 448 00:19:42,877 --> 00:19:46,533 and we chased the hardest because he had a lot of clubs 449 00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:47,751 wanting to sign him. 450 00:19:47,751 --> 00:19:49,144 ♪ Here we go again ♪ 451 00:19:49,144 --> 00:19:52,365 ♪ Here we go again, yeah, yeah ♪ 452 00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:54,367 He's another great character 453 00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:57,457 and a very gifted footballer. 454 00:19:57,457 --> 00:19:59,589 Said to my agent-- when my contract ran out 455 00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:01,591 at my last club, I said, I want to be part of something. 456 00:20:01,591 --> 00:20:04,072 I want to be part of a project, something that--that-- 457 00:20:04,072 --> 00:20:06,161 that's bigger than myself and something 458 00:20:06,161 --> 00:20:07,902 that actually I'm passionate about. 459 00:20:07,902 --> 00:20:11,166 Um, and that's when the phone call from Wrexham came. 460 00:20:11,166 --> 00:20:13,255 And I was like, that's--that's sort of fate. 461 00:20:13,255 --> 00:20:16,215 Like, this is probably one of the best projects in football. 462 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:17,694 Good boy! 463 00:20:21,045 --> 00:20:22,264 There you go. 464 00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:25,572 - Yeah. - Is it straight? 465 00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:26,747 - Yeah, that's all right, that. - There you go. 466 00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:29,402 I was originally born in Newcastle 467 00:20:29,402 --> 00:20:31,447 'cause obviously, my dad played football. 468 00:20:31,447 --> 00:20:33,754 So, um, he was playing for Newcastle then. 469 00:20:33,754 --> 00:20:35,234 My one and only game against Wrexham 470 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:36,844 must have been 30 years ago. 471 00:20:36,844 --> 00:20:38,324 And that's the only time I've ever played at the Racecourse. 472 00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:41,109 But again, had huge support. 473 00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:43,111 My dad's had a really successful career. 474 00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:46,723 He's got 21 caps for the national team for England. 475 00:20:46,723 --> 00:20:49,248 What a cap signifies is the number of times 476 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:51,554 a player appeared for his or her 477 00:20:51,554 --> 00:20:53,034 national football team. 478 00:20:53,034 --> 00:20:55,123 So if you played a match for England, 479 00:20:55,123 --> 00:20:57,430 for example, you receive an honorary cap. 480 00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:59,301 So in the case of Rob Lee, 481 00:20:59,301 --> 00:21:01,347 he's played for England 21 times, 482 00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:04,350 and he has 21 caps. 483 00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:05,742 Don't drop that. It's all right. 484 00:21:05,742 --> 00:21:06,961 You got 20 more, don't you? Yeah, I have. 485 00:21:06,961 --> 00:21:08,658 Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. 486 00:21:08,658 --> 00:21:10,225 So obviously, when you're growing up 487 00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:11,618 and you're seeing your dad do stuff like that, 488 00:21:11,618 --> 00:21:13,794 it's--it's only natural to think, wow, one day, I-- 489 00:21:13,794 --> 00:21:15,099 I want to be doing this 490 00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:16,797 and I want to be playing in front of these crowds. 491 00:21:16,797 --> 00:21:17,885 To become a footballer, 492 00:21:17,885 --> 00:21:19,147 but I think seeing your dad do it 493 00:21:19,147 --> 00:21:21,410 and play at the level he has is, uh-- 494 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:23,543 was sort of a driving force in me and my brother. 495 00:21:23,543 --> 00:21:25,196 And we'd get home from school, straight out in the garden, 496 00:21:25,196 --> 00:21:27,503 me and my brother just playing football all the time. 497 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:30,332 I think I'm sometimes known as the son of Rob Lee. 498 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:32,247 Yeah, I get a good reception every time I go back. 499 00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:33,640 Mind you, if you start playing badly, 500 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,555 I--I probably won't, but... 501 00:21:35,555 --> 00:21:37,383 Neither will I. 502 00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:45,565 Uh, maybe taking Wrexham to the Premier League. 503 00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:49,786 Me and Ollie Palmer went for a--for a drink 504 00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:51,092 a few weekends ago. 505 00:21:51,092 --> 00:21:54,095 And I don't think we paid for one drink, so... 506 00:21:54,095 --> 00:21:55,662 I haven't paid for one for 20 years. 507 00:21:59,927 --> 00:22:01,494 Everything I do is for my kids. 508 00:22:01,494 --> 00:22:03,147 They're--they're my absolute world. 509 00:22:03,147 --> 00:22:07,021 And I--I feel so lucky every day to--to have them. 510 00:22:07,021 --> 00:22:08,239 He is always-- 511 00:22:08,239 --> 00:22:09,980 he's just always with the kids, 512 00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,417 just always playing with the kids. 513 00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:14,289 - Whoop! - Good boy. 514 00:22:14,289 --> 00:22:16,683 Doing everything he can to get out of laundry 515 00:22:16,683 --> 00:22:18,685 or cooking a meal. 516 00:22:18,685 --> 00:22:20,861 Whoa-ho-ho! 517 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:26,649 Um--oh, I don't know why I'm crying. 518 00:22:26,649 --> 00:22:29,565 He's just really, really caring, um, 519 00:22:29,565 --> 00:22:32,481 does everything for the kids 520 00:22:32,481 --> 00:22:34,178 and for me and just for us. 521 00:22:34,178 --> 00:22:37,051 Everything he does is for us. 522 00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:39,967 Snuggies! Mm! 523 00:22:50,891 --> 00:22:52,022 And now I've been dragged into it. 524 00:22:57,071 --> 00:22:58,899 Just want to be a fun dad that my kids 525 00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:00,204 can look back on memories 526 00:23:00,204 --> 00:23:02,903 and just be there and be present and-- 527 00:23:02,903 --> 00:23:05,732 and them just know that I was always around. 528 00:23:05,732 --> 00:23:07,560 Bye, Daddy. 529 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,735 Bye, mate. 530 00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:09,823 Love ya. 531 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:21,965 Ooh, a shark's come to say hello. 532 00:23:21,965 --> 00:23:23,271 Mummy's waving. 533 00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:25,621 Here, Vinny, come see Mummy and Daddy. 534 00:23:25,621 --> 00:23:29,712 I have a policy with my children, and it's honesty. 535 00:23:29,712 --> 00:23:31,453 I think, growing up, I was a little bit scared 536 00:23:31,453 --> 00:23:33,063 to go to my parents to say 537 00:23:33,063 --> 00:23:34,413 if I'd done something wrong. 538 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:35,849 That's probably because I'd done a lot wrong. 539 00:23:35,849 --> 00:23:38,155 So I wouldn't tell them the truth, 540 00:23:38,155 --> 00:23:40,288 and--and problems wouldn't get resolved. 541 00:23:40,288 --> 00:23:43,117 That is a queen triggerfish in the wild. 542 00:23:43,117 --> 00:23:44,597 They don't really like divers, 543 00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:47,904 but Freddie's quite used to us now. 544 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:49,558 Probably very similar to my dad 545 00:23:49,558 --> 00:23:51,386 in ways that I probably don't want 546 00:23:51,386 --> 00:23:53,606 to be because I want to be able to come out 547 00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:55,782 and talk about things. 548 00:23:55,782 --> 00:23:59,089 Filming with you lot has been like therapy at times. 549 00:24:00,961 --> 00:24:03,616 Chatting with my dad, never done that, 550 00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:05,661 never spoke about things growing up. 551 00:24:05,661 --> 00:24:08,838 Same with my mum. 552 00:24:08,838 --> 00:24:10,187 It's been great. 553 00:24:10,187 --> 00:24:13,060 It's been great to open up. 554 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,366 It's been great to hear them say that 555 00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:18,761 they might have done things differently. 556 00:24:18,761 --> 00:24:23,679 But for me, what's done is done. 557 00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,768 You know, you can't rewind. 558 00:24:25,768 --> 00:24:27,727 That's what I say about life. 559 00:24:27,727 --> 00:24:29,903 The most precious, expensive thing that we all have 560 00:24:29,903 --> 00:24:32,949 is time, and... 561 00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:34,560 it's how you spend it. 562 00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,221 My date tonight. This is my mom. 563 00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:45,875 Aw, that's perfect. 564 00:24:57,757 --> 00:25:01,021 ♪ Time's washed away ♪ 565 00:25:01,021 --> 00:25:07,941 ♪ Memories left behind ♪ 566 00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:11,161 ♪ Stars can be revealed ♪ 567 00:25:11,161 --> 00:25:17,211 ♪ When the skies clear ♪ 568 00:25:17,211 --> 00:25:24,087 ♪ Voices raising up generations ♪ 41454

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