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OK, there's lots of
good Canadian music out there.
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We're gonna do
a couple of songs.
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Uh, for anybody from Alberta,
this is Four Strong Winds.
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♪ Four strong winds
that blow lonely ♪
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♪ Seven seas that run high ♪
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My name is Tamara Lee Reynolds.
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♪ Change come what may ♪
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We've been playing
about ten years.
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One of the ladies
in my book club
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offered to teach us
in her home.
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So about seven of us
signed up.
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And then the class
kept getting bigger.
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Bars and nightclubs
and, you know, whatever.
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Yeah, Jimmy Fallon
might get word of us.
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That was fun.
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I'm the proud mother
of four boys.
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This is Ryan.
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This is Jeffrey,
Terry, and Patrick.
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Ryan kind of was an old soul,
and I
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always say that I think
he brought himself up.
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You know, he had the example
of the older boys,
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who kind of looked out
for him.
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And, um, he just had, um,
some wisdom about him.
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But it was not easy growing up
as Jim Reynolds' sons.
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Sometimes Jim was not--
like, a lot of times--
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not emotionally available.
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So I--my role,
as far as I can see it,
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was to be emotionally
available for the kids.
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Um, that was a tough time,
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and it was very hard for me
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because I could see he was
overdisciplining the kids.
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But he didn't know
any differently.
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He would just explode,
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occasionally, you know,
throw something
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against the wall
that had to be fixed after,
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and then he went, damn,
I got to fix all this now.
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And I went, yep.
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You know, I think he kind of
forgot to have fun
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with them too.
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When he was diagnosed
with Parkinson's,
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it was a--a downward journey.
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It was a tough situation.
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Ryan would love
to have Jim here
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to see how well he's doing,
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as would the other boys.
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Jim did the best he could
with what he knew at the time.
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His emotional kit was a little
lacking, not quite adequate.
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I'm pleased as a mom
to see all four boys
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reconciling the past
in a way that works for them.
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They know that Jim would
have been so proud of them.
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♪ Don't forget
where you came from ♪
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♪ Don't forget
what you're made of ♪
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♪ The ones who were there ♪
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♪ When no one else
would care ♪
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♪ Don't be afraid to cry now ♪
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♪ Even when the world
comes crashing in ♪
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♪ Don't forget to sing
when you win ♪
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♪ Don't forget to sing
when you win ♪
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My relationship
with my father
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was almost exclusively
tethered and held together
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by our mutual love of sports.
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It was kind of everything,
you know,
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the only thing we talked about,
so it was just so much.
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It was such a harbor
in the tempest
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there for so many people.
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It's a safe place
to always return to.
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- Yeah.
- So no matter what happens,
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no matter how frayed
or fractured
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your relationship might be,
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it's a common ground
that you can always...
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Yeah.
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Come back to
and reset and restart.
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This is a generational experience.
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Um, and there are so many
things that we pass on--
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that we inherit
and that we pass on.
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When I think about this
experience with Wrexham,
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I try to think of all
the wonderful things
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that were passed down to me.
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And I try to take the best
parts of those things
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and give those to my children.
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My kids are obsessed
with Wrexham.
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They're obsessed with Wrexham.
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Wrexham! Wrexham!
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Wrexham! Wrexham!
Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham!
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Come on, Ollie.
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Very fortunate
to have a father
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who's very much in my life
and my kids' lives.
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And, you know, to have a great
relationship with him is--
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is fantastic
for me and--and my kids
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because, you know,
I--I say to people,
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he's like one of my
best mates, you know.
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Oh!
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Oh, for--come on.
What? Tozer.
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Oh, no, I was just--
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When you become a parent,
my first thought was,
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what a wanker I used to be.
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- Wow.
- What do you mean, used to be?
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Yeah, so I just felt like
I had so many thank-yous
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to give to my parents.
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And I--I was kind of in awe
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of what they'd done for me
growing up.
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I think, with me, though,
I'm not really
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spending much quality time
with my children,
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apart from on a Sunday.
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Daddy.
What?
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Ollie,
do you want coffee or tea?
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No, I won't have
any caffeine till the game.
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I'll have tea--
actually, do you know what?
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I think there's more caffeine
in tea than there is coffee.
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So do you want
a coffee or a tea?
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Yeah, fuck it.
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So a coffee or a tea?
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Yeah, I'll have
a coffee, please.
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It's been hard for me because
I've been away from my family.
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40 number 6.
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If we could move
Wrexham down to London,
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that would be
ideal scenario.
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But that's unfortunately
impossible, so yeah,
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we've just got to keep--
keep going,
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making it work how we are.
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And we've kind of found
a bit of a middle ground now
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with how I travel up
and staying up here
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and getting home and being at
home at the right times and...
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It's been
over a year now since--
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Yeah, it's been over a year
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since I've actually been
at home on a match day.
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Yeah, this is as normal as--
and as homely
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as it would get, I guess.
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Isn't it?
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Sometimes my wife says,
you know, this isn't--
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this isn't what married life's
meant to be like.
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But what is it meant
to be like?
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I don't know.
I don't know.
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You've got to make do,
and you've got to work things
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out and, uh, make sacrifices.
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And she understands that,
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and my kids are learning
to understand that.
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Or was it Mummy?
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I am actually missing that--
his football,
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which is
our biggest passion together.
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You know, he gets upset
about me not being there.
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My dad was away a lot.
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And, um, for me,
that was always exciting
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to have my dad
at football games.
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I remember I used to be like,
yes, Dad's here,
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because it wasn't
an everyday occurrence
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because you had work.
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Oh!
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I've always wanted
to be a policeman.
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And that's what I aimed to do
and actually got in at 18.
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As time went on, I went
into Royalty Protection.
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I worked with various members
of the royal family,
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queen being one of them.
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And then my last six years
of my, uh, service,
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I was personal
protection officer
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to the Prince of Wales,
who is now Majesty the King.
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I mean, there are
huge moments.
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You know, there's
going down the Thames
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on the royal barge
for the Jubilee
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or Remembrance Sunday
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or even the Royal Albert Hall,
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uh, Royal Variety Performance
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with Dame Edna Everage
in the royal box,
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which is a good clip.
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To be part of all
those big events,
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you know,
it's such a privilege.
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But it entailed going away
for two or three days a week
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or even two weeks at times.
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Come on, Ollie.
That's it.
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Control it.
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There were times when they were
younger when Ollie's got a--
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you know, he's in the semifinal
of a cup match
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or a school play.
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Or you've organized to go out
and do something,
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and all of a sudden, the day
before or two days before,
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it's totally rearranged,
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and--and you disappoint
the family,
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um, that you're not
gonna be there.
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I mean, you have to ask Ollie
how many times I've--
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I've disappointed him
over the years,
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together with his brother
and sister.
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My mum and dad,
obviously, divorced
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when I was about 11 or 12.
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I was very happily
married to Ollie's dad.
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Um...
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we had a--I thought we had
a great marriage.
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And we had three
wonderful children.
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I was very confident
about the future
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and, um, loved our family life.
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But then Andy left.
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I was devastated
because I always thought
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that I would always
be married to Andy.
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I, you know, loved him a lot, um,
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so I suppose it--it...
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blew my world apart.
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Any marital split-up
with--with children involved
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is a huge upset.
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That was a very difficult time
for me personally.
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How do I go about telling
my three children,
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who I love to bits, that--
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that Daddy is not
gonna be around anymore
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and Daddy's gonna
move out of the house?
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That was, like, a really
fucking hard day. Um...
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It's more--it's more the
arguing of my mum and my dad.
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That's what I really remember,
just sitting in--
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in the study... Yeah.
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And hearing you two
arguing in the dining room.
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And then we was all crying.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't an easy divorce.
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I'll put it that way.
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At that point in time when--
when he left, we didn't know.
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I didn't know the reason.
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Um, kept thinking
it was another woman.
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I didn't find out the truth
until months later.
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Well, it took a long time.
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It didn't--it wasn't
an overnight decision.
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It was months and months
of deciding
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of what route do I take,
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and how do I go about
telling my children
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their dad is also gay?
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On my agenda:
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uh, players' house,
match-day travel,
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program, safeguarding,
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match confirmations
to other clubs,
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match officials, scouts,
um, a bit on medical.
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Mitch, can you speak to Lee
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about, um, menus
for next season?
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Yeah.
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Uh, and then just
some practical bits
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around training schedules, really,
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so everybody's aligned.
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So yeah, a bit varied,
in no particular order.
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Every day is different
within a football club.
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Particularly here,
over the last two years,
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it's--we've seen
such a growth.
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It's definitely
a daily challenge.
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It's like you've got
a castle of gin.
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I know.
I haven't got tempted yet.
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I'm sure I will
at some point, but not yet.
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For the family, it's, you know,
the people who don't see you,
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you know, for six days a week
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and phone calls
on Christmas Day
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or in the night
and all sorts of things,
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but, you know, that--that's
what you take on
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and that's what
you love, really.
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Yeah, I think, to get me here,
there's not been any sort of,
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you know, one defining moment.
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I think it's many years of, um,
probably working
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in a family business
and working for my father,
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where there is no favoritism
or anything like that.
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You have to work harder
than everybody else
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to prove yourself.
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And, uh, that put me
in good stead
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for, you know,
what I'm doing now.
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So my father originally
was at Burton Albion.
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I think he started
as a commercial manager
258
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and then was a chairman
first time round.
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So when I was a child,
I can remember
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sitting with the tea ladies
in the tearoom
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and then, after the matches,
sitting in the changing rooms
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while my dad spoke
to the manager
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after the game, which I have
very vivid memories
264
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of the--
the old-style baths there
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with all the dirty water
in it
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and the smell
of liniment everywhere.
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But, uh...
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Well, when you're a child,
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you don't think about it,
do you, particularly?
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You just, you know, go with
your dad to watch football.
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And--but now I look back,
you know,
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we've had some very special
times together
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and, uh, you know,
moments that,
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you know, last forever, really,
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creating those moments.
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So it's been great.
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And that's--that's the only day
I've seen you
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with tears in your eyes,
on the day, uh, I left.
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I've learned everything,
you know,
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from working with my dad,
you know,
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from the values
that he brings, you know,
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that community engagement,
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which has always been
the--the main priority.
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You--you create
the right culture
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within your environment.
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He's the oldest kitman
in the country.
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- 80...
- 3.
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83, yeah.
How long you been here, Rocky?
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- 29 years...
- 29.
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14 days, 16 hours
through now.
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My dad's starting life
was--was challenging,
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you know, with his
circumstances with his--
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you know, his mom bringing
him up as a single parent.
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And, you know,
that's created my dad
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to be the person
that he is today,
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and that--that's filtered
to myself.
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Fleur's made a massive
contribution to where--
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to this club's success
and journey
299
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over all those years,
you know.
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My problem now
is getting ahold of her.
301
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She's so committed
and focused on Wrexham
302
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that it probably takes her
two days to ring me back,
303
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you know,
so that's the downside.
304
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Thank you.
305
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My life was Andy Palmer,
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the heterosexual married man,
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three children, um,
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being a police officer.
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Um, and now all of a sudden,
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the people
that thought they knew me,
311
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suddenly they know
a different person.
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Yeah, it was a shock,
shock to my system.
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And I wished I'd found out
when it happened
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and that he was honest
and truthful with me.
315
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And we sort of kept it
from the children.
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Uh, and that wasn't my choice.
317
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We ended up telling them
about 18 months later.
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They don't write books
about how to go about it.
319
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And you never know how your
children are gonna react.
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I think my oldest child
found it the hardest,
321
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but Ollie took it
in his stride, really.
322
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He seemed to accept it,
323
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accept the situation
that we were in.
324
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My dad didn't really ever
express himself as a--as a--
325
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as a person, as a dad.
326
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He didn't let us know
how he was feeling.
327
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And we spoke about that
when I got older.
328
00:14:44,579 --> 00:14:47,538
We spoke about why
he kept things back.
329
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We spoke about why he made
some decisions that he made.
330
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You know, he mentioned
that he wanted to keep
331
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his feelings to himself
332
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because I was not old enough
to understand them.
333
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I was--that's OK.
That was his choice, you know?
334
00:15:05,034 --> 00:15:07,515
Do you know what I found
really comforting
335
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is that we did have
a good marriage,
336
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and actually, he didn't
leave me for another woman.
337
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Um, he actually left me
for another guy.
338
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And I can't compete with that.
339
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And he did say to me, you're
the only woman I'll ever love.
340
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And I always get
a lot of comfort from that.
341
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I'm getting emotional now
because I've never
342
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spoken about it.
343
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But, you know, you're
the strongest person I know.
344
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And I love you very much.
345
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And thank you for always
being there for me.
346
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- Oh, thank you.
- And you're the best.
347
00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:40,635
You're the best mum
I could have asked for.
348
00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:42,332
I love you too. Gosh.
349
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Here he comes.
350
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Holding up the traffic?
351
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Just a typical...
352
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Yeah.
353
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This is all
he's done for work,
354
00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:54,388
really, last 20 years.
355
00:15:54,388 --> 00:15:56,042
I appreciate that, actually.
356
00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:58,783
Must have been an extremely
tough time for you, you know?
357
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You had a...
358
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Certain job.
359
00:16:02,613 --> 00:16:05,355
Certain job which come
with a lot of coverage.
360
00:16:05,355 --> 00:16:06,661
Yeah.
361
00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:11,144
And also,
you had parents who were--
362
00:16:11,144 --> 00:16:12,493
what's the word?
363
00:16:12,493 --> 00:16:16,149
You know what my dad
said to me when I told him?
364
00:16:16,149 --> 00:16:17,324
No.
365
00:16:17,324 --> 00:16:19,456
He said, can you go--
go to the doctor
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and get any tablets for it?
367
00:16:21,937 --> 00:16:27,769
So--but that's--that's what
the people of my dad's era
368
00:16:27,769 --> 00:16:30,990
would think, that you could
just go to your local doctor
369
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and get a cure for it.
370
00:16:32,252 --> 00:16:33,601
But this is the thing, right.
371
00:16:33,601 --> 00:16:36,430
As I speak to people openly
about you being gay,
372
00:16:36,430 --> 00:16:38,998
by telling them,
they go, my brother's gay.
373
00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:40,651
Well, they feel
more comfortable in your--
374
00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:41,913
This is what happened with--
375
00:16:41,913 --> 00:16:43,480
this is what happened
with Rob McElhenney.
376
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:44,699
Yeah.
377
00:16:44,699 --> 00:16:46,483
You came to the--
to the Racecourse.
378
00:16:46,483 --> 00:16:48,094
To Wrexham, yeah.
379
00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:49,660
I said to Rob,
this is my dad.
380
00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:51,445
This is his partner, Mark.
381
00:16:51,445 --> 00:16:54,317
And then we traveled
down to the game,
382
00:16:54,317 --> 00:16:56,363
and he traveled with us.
Oh, OK.
383
00:16:56,363 --> 00:16:59,453
And I said, that wasn't his
business partner, by the way.
384
00:16:59,453 --> 00:17:01,759
He said, I did have an idea.
I was like, why?
385
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,502
Hi, my name
is Helena McElhenney.
386
00:17:05,502 --> 00:17:07,287
My son is Rob McElhenney.
387
00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:08,940
And this is his other mom,
388
00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:11,117
my wife, Mary Taylor.
389
00:17:11,117 --> 00:17:12,770
I'm in the same position
as Ollie.
390
00:17:12,770 --> 00:17:16,383
My parents got divorced
when I was eight or nine.
391
00:17:16,383 --> 00:17:20,561
And as an adult, we can both
look back at our parents
392
00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:23,433
and recognize
the amount of courage
393
00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:26,132
that it took for them
to do exactly what they did.
394
00:17:26,132 --> 00:17:29,744
I was afraid
not only for my children
395
00:17:29,744 --> 00:17:31,137
but for myself.
396
00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:32,747
I have so much
empathy for her
397
00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:36,229
in that situation because
it was a different time.
398
00:17:36,229 --> 00:17:39,754
And anybody
who's over the age of 35
399
00:17:39,754 --> 00:17:41,973
who's watching this
can understand.
400
00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:43,584
And I think one
of the beautiful things
401
00:17:43,584 --> 00:17:45,803
about our culture right now is,
anybody under the age of 35
402
00:17:45,803 --> 00:17:47,457
might not even know what
the fuck I'm talking about.
403
00:17:47,457 --> 00:17:49,938
I get asked, uh, a lot
404
00:17:49,938 --> 00:17:51,592
about what it was like
to have two moms.
405
00:17:51,592 --> 00:17:53,898
And the truth is, I don't know
anything different.
406
00:17:53,898 --> 00:17:56,336
Um, it was pretty great.
407
00:17:56,336 --> 00:17:59,513
It definitely shaped my view
of--of the world,
408
00:17:59,513 --> 00:18:00,992
my perspective.
409
00:18:00,992 --> 00:18:03,082
We had to recognize
that not every family
410
00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,474
looked exactly the same.
411
00:18:04,474 --> 00:18:06,998
Uh, and yet we had nothing
but love and support
412
00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:08,609
and compassion and empathy.
413
00:18:08,609 --> 00:18:11,264
I felt like, growing up,
I was the only kid
414
00:18:11,264 --> 00:18:13,570
in the world with a--
with a gay dad.
415
00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:14,789
- I'm open about it now.
- Yeah.
416
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:16,051
I--I tell people.
417
00:18:16,051 --> 00:18:18,314
Uh, I mean,
I don't talk about it
418
00:18:18,314 --> 00:18:20,055
like it's a--a big event.
419
00:18:20,055 --> 00:18:23,624
But, you know, if someone says,
oh, um,
420
00:18:23,624 --> 00:18:25,104
is your dad married?
421
00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:27,541
And they say, oh,
is she coming to the game?
422
00:18:27,541 --> 00:18:28,803
I'm like, yeah, he is.
423
00:18:31,153 --> 00:18:32,546
If I could go back,
424
00:18:32,546 --> 00:18:35,070
I would tell me
to not be afraid,
425
00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:39,509
to be strong and know that
because you are who you are
426
00:18:39,509 --> 00:18:42,382
and you have a loving family
that they'll support you.
427
00:18:47,561 --> 00:18:49,693
It's been great,
really, and I wish
428
00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:51,391
we probably did do it more.
429
00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:54,785
But again, we're both
really laid-back.
430
00:18:54,785 --> 00:18:57,701
We probably don't speak
about our emotions
431
00:18:57,701 --> 00:18:59,094
as much as what we should.
432
00:18:59,094 --> 00:19:01,444
And that's just who we are.
433
00:19:01,444 --> 00:19:03,316
But as long as my dad
knows that I love him
434
00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:06,493
and I know that he loves me,
then I'm happy.
435
00:19:06,493 --> 00:19:09,496
Mm. Love you too.
436
00:19:09,496 --> 00:19:10,975
Don't cry.
437
00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:15,154
No, we're fine.
438
00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:16,807
- All good.
- Yeah, we're good.
439
00:19:16,807 --> 00:19:19,549
- Love you.
- Yeah.
440
00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:28,689
All right, simple. Good.
441
00:19:29,994 --> 00:19:32,345
So every football team
is a--is a tapestry
442
00:19:32,345 --> 00:19:34,042
made up of all
the different players,
443
00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:35,348
but they're united
by the same goal,
444
00:19:35,348 --> 00:19:36,914
which is that they want
to win.
445
00:19:36,914 --> 00:19:38,177
They want to do well
for this town, this team,
446
00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:41,049
and get out of this league.
447
00:19:41,049 --> 00:19:42,877
Elliot was a--was a player
we'd looked at
448
00:19:42,877 --> 00:19:46,533
and we chased the hardest
because he had a lot of clubs
449
00:19:46,533 --> 00:19:47,751
wanting to sign him.
450
00:19:47,751 --> 00:19:49,144
♪ Here we go again ♪
451
00:19:49,144 --> 00:19:52,365
♪ Here we go again,
yeah, yeah ♪
452
00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:54,367
He's another great character
453
00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:57,457
and a very gifted footballer.
454
00:19:57,457 --> 00:19:59,589
Said to my agent--
when my contract ran out
455
00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:01,591
at my last club, I said,
I want to be part of something.
456
00:20:01,591 --> 00:20:04,072
I want to be part of a project,
something that--that--
457
00:20:04,072 --> 00:20:06,161
that's bigger than myself
and something
458
00:20:06,161 --> 00:20:07,902
that actually
I'm passionate about.
459
00:20:07,902 --> 00:20:11,166
Um, and that's when the phone
call from Wrexham came.
460
00:20:11,166 --> 00:20:13,255
And I was like,
that's--that's sort of fate.
461
00:20:13,255 --> 00:20:16,215
Like, this is probably one of
the best projects in football.
462
00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:17,694
Good boy!
463
00:20:21,045 --> 00:20:22,264
There you go.
464
00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:25,572
- Yeah.
- Is it straight?
465
00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:26,747
- Yeah, that's all right, that.
- There you go.
466
00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:29,402
I was originally born
in Newcastle
467
00:20:29,402 --> 00:20:31,447
'cause obviously,
my dad played football.
468
00:20:31,447 --> 00:20:33,754
So, um, he was playing
for Newcastle then.
469
00:20:33,754 --> 00:20:35,234
My one and only
game against Wrexham
470
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:36,844
must have been 30 years ago.
471
00:20:36,844 --> 00:20:38,324
And that's the only time I've
ever played at the Racecourse.
472
00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:41,109
But again,
had huge support.
473
00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:43,111
My dad's had
a really successful career.
474
00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:46,723
He's got 21 caps for
the national team for England.
475
00:20:46,723 --> 00:20:49,248
What a cap signifies
is the number of times
476
00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:51,554
a player appeared
for his or her
477
00:20:51,554 --> 00:20:53,034
national football team.
478
00:20:53,034 --> 00:20:55,123
So if you played a match
for England,
479
00:20:55,123 --> 00:20:57,430
for example,
you receive an honorary cap.
480
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:59,301
So in the case of Rob Lee,
481
00:20:59,301 --> 00:21:01,347
he's played for England
21 times,
482
00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:04,350
and he has 21 caps.
483
00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:05,742
Don't drop that.
It's all right.
484
00:21:05,742 --> 00:21:06,961
You got 20 more, don't you?
Yeah, I have.
485
00:21:06,961 --> 00:21:08,658
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, you're right.
486
00:21:08,658 --> 00:21:10,225
So obviously,
when you're growing up
487
00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:11,618
and you're seeing your dad
do stuff like that,
488
00:21:11,618 --> 00:21:13,794
it's--it's only natural
to think, wow, one day, I--
489
00:21:13,794 --> 00:21:15,099
I want to be doing this
490
00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:16,797
and I want to be playing
in front of these crowds.
491
00:21:16,797 --> 00:21:17,885
To become a footballer,
492
00:21:17,885 --> 00:21:19,147
but I think seeing
your dad do it
493
00:21:19,147 --> 00:21:21,410
and play at the level he has
is, uh--
494
00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:23,543
was sort of a driving force
in me and my brother.
495
00:21:23,543 --> 00:21:25,196
And we'd get home from school,
straight out in the garden,
496
00:21:25,196 --> 00:21:27,503
me and my brother just
playing football all the time.
497
00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:30,332
I think I'm sometimes known
as the son of Rob Lee.
498
00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:32,247
Yeah, I get a good reception
every time I go back.
499
00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:33,640
Mind you, if you start
playing badly,
500
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,555
I--I probably won't, but...
501
00:21:35,555 --> 00:21:37,383
Neither will I.
502
00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:45,565
Uh, maybe taking Wrexham
to the Premier League.
503
00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:49,786
Me and Ollie Palmer
went for a--for a drink
504
00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:51,092
a few weekends ago.
505
00:21:51,092 --> 00:21:54,095
And I don't think
we paid for one drink, so...
506
00:21:54,095 --> 00:21:55,662
I haven't paid for one
for 20 years.
507
00:21:59,927 --> 00:22:01,494
Everything I do
is for my kids.
508
00:22:01,494 --> 00:22:03,147
They're--they're
my absolute world.
509
00:22:03,147 --> 00:22:07,021
And I--I feel so lucky
every day to--to have them.
510
00:22:07,021 --> 00:22:08,239
He is always--
511
00:22:08,239 --> 00:22:09,980
he's just always with the kids,
512
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,417
just always
playing with the kids.
513
00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:14,289
- Whoop!
- Good boy.
514
00:22:14,289 --> 00:22:16,683
Doing everything he can
to get out of laundry
515
00:22:16,683 --> 00:22:18,685
or cooking a meal.
516
00:22:18,685 --> 00:22:20,861
Whoa-ho-ho!
517
00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:26,649
Um--oh, I don't know
why I'm crying.
518
00:22:26,649 --> 00:22:29,565
He's just really,
really caring, um,
519
00:22:29,565 --> 00:22:32,481
does everything for the kids
520
00:22:32,481 --> 00:22:34,178
and for me and just for us.
521
00:22:34,178 --> 00:22:37,051
Everything he does is for us.
522
00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:39,967
Snuggies! Mm!
523
00:22:50,891 --> 00:22:52,022
And now I've been
dragged into it.
524
00:22:57,071 --> 00:22:58,899
Just want to be
a fun dad that my kids
525
00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:00,204
can look back on memories
526
00:23:00,204 --> 00:23:02,903
and just be there
and be present and--
527
00:23:02,903 --> 00:23:05,732
and them just know
that I was always around.
528
00:23:05,732 --> 00:23:07,560
Bye, Daddy.
529
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,735
Bye, mate.
530
00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:09,823
Love ya.
531
00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:21,965
Ooh, a shark's come
to say hello.
532
00:23:21,965 --> 00:23:23,271
Mummy's waving.
533
00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:25,621
Here, Vinny,
come see Mummy and Daddy.
534
00:23:25,621 --> 00:23:29,712
I have a policy with
my children, and it's honesty.
535
00:23:29,712 --> 00:23:31,453
I think, growing up,
I was a little bit scared
536
00:23:31,453 --> 00:23:33,063
to go to my parents to say
537
00:23:33,063 --> 00:23:34,413
if I'd done something wrong.
538
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:35,849
That's probably because
I'd done a lot wrong.
539
00:23:35,849 --> 00:23:38,155
So I wouldn't tell them
the truth,
540
00:23:38,155 --> 00:23:40,288
and--and problems
wouldn't get resolved.
541
00:23:40,288 --> 00:23:43,117
That is a queen
triggerfish in the wild.
542
00:23:43,117 --> 00:23:44,597
They don't really like divers,
543
00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:47,904
but Freddie's quite used
to us now.
544
00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:49,558
Probably very similar to my dad
545
00:23:49,558 --> 00:23:51,386
in ways that I probably
don't want
546
00:23:51,386 --> 00:23:53,606
to be because I want
to be able to come out
547
00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:55,782
and talk about things.
548
00:23:55,782 --> 00:23:59,089
Filming with you lot has been
like therapy at times.
549
00:24:00,961 --> 00:24:03,616
Chatting with my dad,
never done that,
550
00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:05,661
never spoke about things
growing up.
551
00:24:05,661 --> 00:24:08,838
Same with my mum.
552
00:24:08,838 --> 00:24:10,187
It's been great.
553
00:24:10,187 --> 00:24:13,060
It's been great to open up.
554
00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,366
It's been great
to hear them say that
555
00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:18,761
they might have
done things differently.
556
00:24:18,761 --> 00:24:23,679
But for me,
what's done is done.
557
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,768
You know, you can't rewind.
558
00:24:25,768 --> 00:24:27,727
That's what I say about life.
559
00:24:27,727 --> 00:24:29,903
The most precious, expensive
thing that we all have
560
00:24:29,903 --> 00:24:32,949
is time, and...
561
00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:34,560
it's how you spend it.
562
00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,221
My date tonight.
This is my mom.
563
00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:45,875
Aw, that's perfect.
564
00:24:57,757 --> 00:25:01,021
♪ Time's washed away ♪
565
00:25:01,021 --> 00:25:07,941
♪ Memories left behind ♪
566
00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:11,161
♪ Stars can be revealed ♪
567
00:25:11,161 --> 00:25:17,211
♪ When the skies clear ♪
568
00:25:17,211 --> 00:25:24,087
♪ Voices raising up
generations ♪
41454
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