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[Woman] I think that
the story of the women
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and Jeffrey Epstein
is now known.
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I think the world knows
what a monster he was,
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and that story is out there.
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I think that the
story of the men
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is not known really at all.
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I'm trying to put
the dots together
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through my reporting
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to show that whatever
happens to ghislaine Maxwell
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in her trial...
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That the network of guys
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who lifted up Jeffrey Epstein
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and enabled these
alleged sex crimes,
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that endures.
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[Vicky] In the three years
after my vanity fair article
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about Jeffrey Epstein ran,
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no one publicly talked
about the sexual assault
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allegations against him.
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I stayed away from him,
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and as it turned out,
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so did ghislaine,
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who began to move
in her own circles.
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And then, in the summer of 2006,
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everything changed for Jeffrey.
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[Reporter] Jeffrey
Epstein was investigated
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by the palm beach
police for months.
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The police conclusion,
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Epstein's palm beach mansion
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was a revolving door for women,
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and in some cases,
girls as young as 16.
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Jeffrey Epstein was arrested
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in palm beach,
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but on state charges.
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Solicitation of a prostitute
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but also solicitation
of a minor.
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What the world at large
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had no idea of
was that there was
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a federal investigation
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involving dozens
of underage girls,
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and that the FBI
was investigating
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what was a massive
sex trafficking operation.
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The FBI would speak to
between 30 and 40 victims,
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and federal
prosecutors assembled
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a 53-page indictment.
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Jeffrey hired me
along with a group
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of other very prominent lawyers
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to help negotiate a deal
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with the us attorney's office.
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[Vicky] In addition
to Alan Dershowitz,
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the team of "super lawyers"
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included former
ambassador Jay lefkowitz,
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and Kenneth
starr, the prosecutor
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in Bill Clinton's impeachment.
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They ended up making a deal
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with Alexander acosta,
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who is in the us
attorney down in Florida.
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We took the position
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that they did not have
a strong federal case,
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because for a federal case,
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you need to transport young
women into state commerce.
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They just didn't really have
that case and therefore,
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the best resolution
would be to have him plea
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to what they had a strong
case on, a state case.
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[Reporter] He pleaded
guilty in open court.
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He agreed to serve
a total of 18 months
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in the palm beach
detentions facility.
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The guilty plea and deal
and a years' long process
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that could have sent
Epstein to jail for 15 years.
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[Vicky] It was shocking.
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Epstein didn't just
get a short sentence...
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His lawyers negotiated
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a non-prosecution
agreement for him,
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and for four women who worked
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at his palm beach compound.
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This meant that none
of them could be charged
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of these crimes involving
Epstein in the future.
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One Epstein associate
was not on the list,
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ghislaine Maxwell.
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But why do you
think Jeffrey Epstein
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didn't have her name
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in the non-prosecution
agreement?
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She was not directly involved,
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insofar as we are aware
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in the sex trafficking at
the time he was arrested.
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[Christopher] I
was reading about it
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in the New York post.
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And I just thought,
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"wow. That creep."
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You know, that's the
guy I met through...
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Ghislaine.
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But it was so
clear by that point
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that she had moved on.
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Even after Epstein,
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you know, spectacularly
fell from grace
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and went to jail
in the beginning,
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I still didn't think...
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Ghislaine was a terrible person.
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I think she was clearly
tarnished and implicated
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by her relationship
with Epstein.
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But I just remember thinking,
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"well, I would give ghislaine
the benefit of the doubt."
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[Vicky] In palm beach,
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Jeffrey would end
up serving only
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13 months in a local jail.
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And he was released
six days a week
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to go to his office.
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Was it just his
high-priced lawyers
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who made all of this possible?
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Or did he use other
types of influence?
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I spoke with a new
source about this,
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Felix sater,
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a real estate developer
who's perhaps
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best-known for his ties
to the trump organization,
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and his attempt to broker a deal
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for a trump tower in Moscow.
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Sater cooperated
with the government
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for more than a decade
after he was caught
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in the late 1990s on
a racketeering charge.
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He is somebody
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who I thought might
be able to make sense
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of this sort of underworld.
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Recording started.
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From everything that I see,
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it is my belief that
he was probably
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a very long-term cooperator
of the us government.
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[Vicky] In Felix's opinion,
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this arrangement
could go back as far as
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the tower's financial
case in the early 1990s.
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You would say that
his work as a cooperator
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was so important
to the government
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that they gave him
a lenient sentence?
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He could have
maintained that relationship
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with the government for decades.
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And, yes, if things...
Push comes to shove
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and he was involved in
something, they may...
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They may go easier on him
because of the greater good.
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Well, it's hard to argue
that's a greater good, Felix,
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when you've got underage women
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in astonishingly large numbers
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being sexually assaulted.
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We don't know what
information he was providing.
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That doesn't take
away from the fact
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that he was just a
complete piece of scum.
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- Well, obviously...
- That said,
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the government does not
get their best information
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from honest dentists
in Manhattan.
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They get their information
about bad guys from bad guys.
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[Vicky] While Jeffrey navigated
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the lows of plea
deals and jail time,
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ghislaine was riding high.
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I remember being
at a cocktail party
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and running into ghislaine,
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and her hugging me,
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I haven't seen her
for a while, and...
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Trailing behind her, she said,
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"I want you to meet Ted."
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[Vicky] Ted waitt is...
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A self-made billionaire.
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He was the ceo and founder
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of a technology
company, gateway.
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They met on a trip with
Bill Clinton to Beijing.
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[Christopher] She managed
to slip into the conversation
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that he had the
most incredible yacht.
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Which is the kind
of detail that...
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- [Vicky] Yes.
- Ghislaine never failed
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to telegraph just so you know
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that she wasn't
wasting her time.
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It was the first
inkling I got that,
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"god, ghislaine has
clearly moved on.
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She's found some
guy she's crazy about,
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and that she's having
a very exciting life
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with this guy, and Epstein
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seemed to be totally
out of the picture."
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[Vicky] I ran into ghislaine,
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which was not
something I had been
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wanting to do or seeking
out, but I did bump into her.
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Ted waitt's presence
actually made
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this meeting between
ghislaine and I
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probably far less awkward
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than it otherwise
would have been.
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It was almost like, Jeffrey who?
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I mean, just...
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It just seemed
different worlds away.
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That period of her life,
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both she and Ted waitt,
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were very involved with...
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Bill Clinton, the
Clinton foundation,
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cgi, Clinton global initiative.
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I mean, do you
remember her talking
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a lot about Bill Clinton?
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[Christopher] Yes.
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Cleverly, she managed to...
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Slip the name Bill Clinton
into most conversations.
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So it was a kind of
reminder as ever...
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- [Vicky] Yes.
- Of ghislaine,
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that she's hanging out with
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world leaders, the
[indistinct] of industry,
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and this was kind of...
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For her, this was
kind of normal.
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[Vicky] I had not appreciated
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just how important
sort of Clinton world
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was in raising ghislaine up,
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but it was... It was
hugely important.
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Because ghislaine
originally had been known
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as the access to
Jeffrey's money,
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she was courted
in her own right.
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Ghislaine even snagged
a prime aisle seat
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at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.
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You can see her in
one of the official photos.
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This did put ghislaine into...
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The sort of world
that, you know,
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if you go way, way back,
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she aspired to be
in her 20s, you know,
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she was sought
after in her own right
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as a person of substance,
and of a person of importance.
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So she invited me
over to her house, and...
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Whoa.
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Wow, this is a gigantic
house, and it was clearly hers,
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didn't seem to be anything
to do with her boyfriend,
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it was ghislaine's house.
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And ghislaine was
talking with great passion
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about the thing that
really motivated her,
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and it was saving
the world's oceans.
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[Ghislaine] One
of my first dives,
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when I went down,
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I switched on the lights
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at the bottom of the ocean
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and saw a plastic hanger.
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It was in that moment
actually that I decided
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that I really wanted to focus
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my attention on the ocean.
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So you thought it was authentic?
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I did.
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And it just... I mean,
at the time, I did.
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She was so passionate about it.
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And I remember thinking,
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"well, this is a whole
lot more interesting
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than being the gal
Friday of a creepy guy."
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[Vicky] But
ghislaine would never
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be able to fully
shake the stigma
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of her connection
to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Well, a palm beach
billionaire is getting
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his first taste of
freedom in over a year.
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[Reporter] The black
sedan sped away
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from the county jail,
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its occupant,
registered sex offender
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and billionaire,
Jeffrey Epstein.
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He's been really happy
that his jail sentence is over,
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and he can begin a
new chapter in his life.
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[Woman] You'd think that
when he emerged from jail,
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Jeffrey would have
been a social pariah,
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but it seems that money talks.
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While ghislaine
traveled the world
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on high-profile missions,
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Jeffrey found a different
way to pedal his influence.
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Once Jeffrey got out of jail,
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he turned his homes into salons
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for the rich and
powerful and famous,
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all in the guise
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of Jeffrey the
great philanthropist,
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this was his new image.
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And it worked.
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He really did have
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the crown prince of Saudi Arabia
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and Bill Gates.
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And according to Kira dikhtyar,
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the Russian model who
was friendly with him,
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he went out with Elon Musk
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and Jeff bezos.
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Did these powerful men
seem to really like him?
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[Kira speaking]
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[Vicky] Kira was a
friend of Jeffrey's,
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but she also says
that he paid her
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and other women $1,000 each
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to sit around his house
to impress clients.
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[Kira speaking]
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[Vicky] Journalist ed Epstein
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hadn't seen Jeffrey
since the late 1980s,
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but he was curious
when Jeffrey invited
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him over in 2013.
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[Ed] We had tea.
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Someone knocked
on the door and said,
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"Leon's here."
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And he said he can wait,
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and when I left,
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Jeffrey walked me
to the door and said,
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"you know Leon, don't you?"
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Well, I didn't know Leon black.
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I heard of him.
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I mean, Leon black
was one of the most
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famous and wealthiest,
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powerful financiers
with his Apollo group.
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Well, I thought,
well, if he's there,
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well maybe, Jeffrey
has redeemed himself
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in some way.
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Or changed this behavior
or something like that.
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I mean, you know...
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[Vicky] It's really
quite remarkable.
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I spoke to one source, he said,
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"do you know, this was all
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a very brazen effort
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to erase his track record,
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the fact that he was now
a convicted sex offender."
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A large part of his
efforts was spent
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to trying to create
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a new reputation for himself,
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not by rehabilitating himself
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like doing charity
work or anything,
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but he wanted people
to somehow think
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that his conviction...
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Was false.
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[Vicky] To be clear,
none of the people
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who spent time with Jeffrey
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have been accused
of any wrongdoing.
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It seems he used
these high-powered
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individuals to attract others.
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Someone described
him pretty well,
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that he came to Jeffrey's house,
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and he saw all these famous
people there like Bill Clinton
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or Larry summers who
was the secretary of treasury.
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And then he
thinks, well, my god,
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all these people at his
salon, they all hang out here.
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Somehow they must have
all vetted Jeffrey Epstein
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and if they all found
that Jeffrey Epstein
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was respectable, who is he to...
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To quibble.
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Jeffrey understood
how power really works.
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He understood
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that power is...
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10 people, men,
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in a room making decisions
that nobody else can see.
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He understood how to use
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money to influence people,
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but he also understood
how to read people,
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so that he could
manipulate his way
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into their orbit.
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And he could use them
to his own advantage.
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Bill Gates began attending
these salons in 2011.
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A spokesperson for
the gates foundation
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says that many people told gates
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Jeffrey was somebody who
could help the foundation.
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But there are questions
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about the death
of their friendship.
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Sources say that gates
flew on Jeffrey's plane
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at least once and visited
his home many times.
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And there are rumors
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that gates' divorced
from his wife, Melinda,
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is in some part
connected to these visits.
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[Reporter] According
to documents obtained
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by the journal, Melinda
and her advisors
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held the number of
calls with divorce lawyers
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in October 2019,
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the same month the New
York times first reported
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that bill met with Epstein
on numerous occasions.
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[Vicky] In 2019, gates
was quoted as saying,
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"I thought those discussions
would lead literally
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to billions of dollars
going to global health.
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Turned out that
was a bad judgment."
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He also admits,
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[Vicky speaking]
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While Jeffrey was
attracting new associates,
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some of his longer
relationships had ended.
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His patron Leslie wexner
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severed ties while
Jeffrey was in jail.
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Being taken advantage of
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by someone who was so sick,
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so cunning,
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so depraved...
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Is something that
I'm embarrassed
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that I was even close to.
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[Vicky] The most public
break came in 2011.
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Prince Andrew went out
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to stay with Jeffrey
Epstein in New York City.
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They went on for
a walk together.
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They went to central park
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and pictures taken
of the two of them
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where then published
in February 2011.
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And that was the first
point that prince Andrew
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was already drawn heavily
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into the Jeffrey Epstein story.
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He was obviously
criticized for maintaining
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this friendship with
the man who was a...
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At that point, a
convicted pedophile.
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[Vicky] It then came out
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that Epstein has recently paid
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a $24,000 debt
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for Andrew's ex-wife,
Sarah Ferguson.
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The public uproar
about that meant
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that the Duke of
York and his ex-wife
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absolutely distanced
themselves from Jeffrey.
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But other friends
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like former Israeli
prime minister
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ehud barak was still around.
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In 2015,
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barak and Epstein formed
an investment group together,
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registered in the
Virgin Islands.
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That's where Jeffrey established
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his holding company
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and his foundations after 2012.
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National security analyst,
Vanessa neumann,
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tells me that perhaps
it should have set off
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alarm bells with the
clients he was courting.
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What they're selling
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is banking secrecy.
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Shell companies...
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You know, trusts that can't
be... that can't be tracked
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and that would make perfect
sense for someone like him.
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[Vicky] In other words,
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it's a good place to engineer
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the invisible deals that
Jeffrey specialized in.
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And according to my sources,
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he was offering his
services to new networks.
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Jeffrey told ed Epstein
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that he was investing for
certain African dictators
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and that he was also working
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with Mohammed bin salman,
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the Saudi crowned prince,
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and Mohamed bin zayed,
the controller of Abu Dhabi.
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And he said that he
had a lot of influence
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with the person who controlled
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the port of Djibouti,
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a very important strategic port.
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What's interesting...
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Is this puts you right
back into the world
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that Jeffrey was
immersed in in the 1980s,
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it's the work of bounty hunting,
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of moving money
into offshore accounts.
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It's the world of doing
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international transactions
in the shadows,
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that's what Jeffrey
knew had to do.
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In national security circles,
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there's a name for
somebody like Jeffrey.
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He is what we would call
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a "hyper connector."
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- Right?
- Yes.
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Because he is not only
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very deeply connected
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in one network, right?
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He connects different networks.
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It's not just like he was
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the American Jewish
business network,
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he also had the middle east
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00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:41,472
and he could link
banking to royalty,
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00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:43,241
et cetera and he could
move back and forth
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through those groups.
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[Vicky] Neumann says
that those connections
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could have benefited Jeffrey.
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When you have that kind of
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reach and that
kind of connectivity,
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you have a lot of people
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who have a vested
interest in protecting you.
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[Intense music playing]
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[Vicky] According
to Kira dikhtyar,
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Jeffrey also took
action to protect himself.
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It is your distinct impression
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that after Jeffrey
got out of jail,
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he made very sure that no...
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None of the women
around him were underage,
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is that...
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And how do you know that?
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[Kira speaking]
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- [Vicky] Really?
- [Kira speaking]
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Given that he did seem to spend
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the 10 years after
he got out of jail,
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intent on
rehabilitating his image,
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it seems highly likely
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that he did have somebody
checking ID's at the door.
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Now, whether or not
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this was yet another
great Jeffrey Epstein facade
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that completely belige reality,
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your guess is as good as mine.
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[Vicky] Despite Jeffrey's
attempt to escape his past,
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in 2011,
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a lurid tail of his
sex trafficking
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hit the news when a
never-before-seen photograph
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was published.
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It would be the
beginning of the end
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for both him and ghislaine.
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The photograph
of Virginia Roberts
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with prince Andrew,
prince Andrew's arm
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around her midriff,
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ghislaine Maxwell smiling,
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sort of smugly in
the background,
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put the story of their past
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right, front, and center
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in the public's consciousness
around the world.
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[Reporter] It's a sordid
business and no small
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embarrassment for
the British royal family.
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[Reporter] Prince
Andrew is responding
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to claim made Virginia Roberts.
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[Vicky] As the media
uproar played out,
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I decided to write
a blog about Jeffrey
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and ghislaine for vanity fair.
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I included the fact
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that I knew about the farmers'
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sexual assault
allegations in 2002,
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but we haven't published them.
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Somebody changed
it quite dramatically
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so that it ended up
reading like a puff piece.
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My lines about the
farmers were taken out
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and the language got changed.
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[Ominous music playing]
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It read that I
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hadn't believed the farmers,
which was absolutely not true
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and it got posted without
me seeing the changes,
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which was incredibly upsetting.
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I thought I'm never
going to be able to get
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the farmers and
their allegations
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into vanity fair magazine and...
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I just gave up.
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The Virginia Roberts photograph
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put a swift end
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to ghislaine's new
life away from Jeffrey.
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The team around Bill Clinton
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and the Clinton
global initiative
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decided that
ghislaine was no longer
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to be invited to Clinton events.
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She and Ted waitt
broke up that same year.
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Several months later,
I ran into ghislaine
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and she invited me to lunch,
526
00:24:36,843 --> 00:24:39,009
I think she wanted
to sell me on a story
527
00:24:39,011 --> 00:24:40,444
about saving the oceans.
528
00:24:41,414 --> 00:24:43,881
I also think she was lonely.
529
00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:48,452
She talked about how sad she was
530
00:24:48,454 --> 00:24:50,488
that she had broken
up with Ted waitt.
531
00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,656
It was almost like
she'd been left behind.
532
00:24:54,227 --> 00:24:55,493
Good afternoon.
533
00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,461
[Vicky] After that
loss, she once again
534
00:24:57,463 --> 00:25:00,264
tried to separate
herself from Jeffrey,
535
00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:02,500
starting her own
non-profit called,
536
00:25:02,502 --> 00:25:03,734
"terramar".
537
00:25:03,736 --> 00:25:05,102
I'd bump into her occasion
538
00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:06,403
and she'd always
be talking about
539
00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:08,105
a new charitable endeavor.
540
00:25:08,107 --> 00:25:09,707
It was like she was on a PR,
541
00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:12,343
- personal PR.
- The ocean, the terramar?
542
00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:15,379
And you felt that
that wasn't authentic?
543
00:25:15,381 --> 00:25:18,516
I thought it was odd
and felt a bit forced.
544
00:25:18,518 --> 00:25:20,484
I didn't think
she was faking it,
545
00:25:20,486 --> 00:25:22,353
but I thought it
was PR campaign.
546
00:25:22,355 --> 00:25:24,355
Tell everybody how
much you love the ocean.
547
00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:27,491
Love your planet for
generations to come.
548
00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:30,961
[Vicky] For a while, the
diversion seemed to work.
549
00:25:30,963 --> 00:25:32,696
She developed a Ted talk
550
00:25:32,698 --> 00:25:34,198
and spoken at the UN
551
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,766
about the plates of the oceans.
552
00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:38,702
I'm here representing
civil society.
553
00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:40,971
[Vicky] And then the
other shoe dropped
554
00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:43,507
at the end of 2014.
555
00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:47,211
Virginia Roberts
giuffre joined a group
556
00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:50,481
of women suing
Jeffrey in Florida.
557
00:25:50,483 --> 00:25:51,849
We need to get to the bottom
558
00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:54,051
on everybody who
was involved with that,
559
00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:55,819
starting with ghislaine
Maxwell and...
560
00:25:55,821 --> 00:25:57,421
And that's when
she's talking about
561
00:25:57,423 --> 00:25:59,323
being forced to have
sex with prince Andrew
562
00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:02,993
in the bathroom of ghislaine
Maxwell's London townhouse.
563
00:26:02,995 --> 00:26:04,962
Anything that might
have been implicit before
564
00:26:04,964 --> 00:26:07,298
was now written
large in huge typeface
565
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,234
on the front pages of
national newspapers.
566
00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:12,002
[Reporter] In the filing,
Roberts now claiming
567
00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:14,705
Epstein made her
available for sex
568
00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:18,042
to politically connected and
financially powerful people,
569
00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:19,376
one of them, the prince,
570
00:26:19,378 --> 00:26:21,111
the other, the prof,
571
00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:23,447
Harvard law professor,
Alan Dershowitz.
572
00:26:23,449 --> 00:26:26,450
The story is completely
and totally made up
573
00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:28,886
and believe me I
remember everybody
574
00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:30,788
I've ever had sex with.
575
00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:32,289
[Vicky] Alan Dershowitz tells me
576
00:26:32,291 --> 00:26:35,192
that Jeffrey pressured
him to settle with giuffre
577
00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:36,927
instead of fighting publicly.
578
00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:38,562
Well, Jeffrey
called me and said,
579
00:26:38,564 --> 00:26:39,930
"don't litigate this thing.
580
00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,498
Just deny it. Be quiet.
581
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:42,900
We don't want lawsuits.
582
00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:44,201
We don't want testimony."
583
00:26:44,203 --> 00:26:46,270
He put enormous pressure on me
584
00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:48,038
to settle my cases
585
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,808
going so far as to
offer to contribute
586
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:52,009
to the settlements.
587
00:26:52,011 --> 00:26:54,111
How much is the
potential settlement
588
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,880
did Jeffrey say he
would pay for you?
589
00:26:56,882 --> 00:26:59,450
We never got into
numbers because I refuse to
590
00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:01,085
even talk about it.
591
00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:04,288
If what Alan says is true,
592
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,824
are there other
men walking around
593
00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:09,426
who have made these
kind of settlements
594
00:27:09,428 --> 00:27:10,995
who were in Jeffrey's network
595
00:27:10,997 --> 00:27:13,464
that we do not yet know about?
596
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,101
Dershowitz sued
not only giuffre,
597
00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:18,535
but her lawyers,
598
00:27:18,537 --> 00:27:21,972
including the well-known
litigator David boies.
599
00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,407
It's become a major battle
600
00:27:23,409 --> 00:27:26,043
between two high
profile attorneys,
601
00:27:26,045 --> 00:27:28,979
a fight for their
professional futures.
602
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:32,282
I want Virginia giuffre
to go to jail for perjury.
603
00:27:32,284 --> 00:27:35,886
She has victimized many,
many people by her perjury.
604
00:27:35,888 --> 00:27:38,255
I want her lawyers
to be investigated
605
00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,158
and disbarred if
the evidence shows
606
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,961
that they suborned her perjury.
607
00:27:43,963 --> 00:27:46,430
Alan Dershowitz's wild claims
608
00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:48,332
are designed to serve on purpose
609
00:27:48,334 --> 00:27:50,534
and one purpose only
610
00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:53,871
and that is to try
to distract attention
611
00:27:53,873 --> 00:27:56,073
from his own misconduct.
612
00:27:56,075 --> 00:27:57,975
The attacks he is made
613
00:27:57,977 --> 00:28:01,011
on the integrity, the character,
614
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,814
the honesty of
the young survivors
615
00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:06,817
of the Epstein-Maxwell
sex-trafficking enterprise
616
00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,453
would be pathetic if they
weren't so outrageous.
617
00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:12,923
That has been the way
he defended Epstein.
618
00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:16,060
That is the way he's
attempting to defend himself.
619
00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:21,932
[Vicky] David boies and
other accusers' attorneys
620
00:28:21,934 --> 00:28:24,835
have played a key role
in not only the civil suits,
621
00:28:24,837 --> 00:28:27,071
but the criminal cases.
622
00:28:27,073 --> 00:28:30,340
In 2015, after Virginia giuffre
623
00:28:30,342 --> 00:28:32,342
filed her allegations,
624
00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:35,813
ghislaine issued a
statement calling her a liar.
625
00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:38,682
And boies then file
a defamation suit
626
00:28:38,684 --> 00:28:41,719
against ghislaine
on Virginia's behalf.
627
00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:46,023
That defamation suit
where David boies
628
00:28:46,025 --> 00:28:50,227
ended up taking two of
ghislaine's depositions
629
00:28:50,229 --> 00:28:54,098
is hugely important
630
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,700
in what happens
subsequently both to Jeffrey
631
00:28:56,702 --> 00:28:59,002
and then to ghislaine.
632
00:28:59,004 --> 00:29:02,272
The depositions
were very extensive
633
00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:03,974
when she refused
to answer questions
634
00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:05,409
in the first deposition.
635
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,845
They went to the
judge and got an order,
636
00:29:07,847 --> 00:29:10,347
required her to
answer questions again
637
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:11,715
in the second disposition.
638
00:29:11,717 --> 00:29:14,251
So we have a very
extensive record.
639
00:29:15,721 --> 00:29:17,688
[Vicky] Ghislaine is now
charged with perjuring
640
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:20,023
herself in those depositions.
641
00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:21,525
According to the indictment,
642
00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:23,560
ghislaine claimed
that she hadn't known
643
00:29:23,562 --> 00:29:25,095
that there were underage girls
644
00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:27,564
in Epstein's house at any time,
645
00:29:27,566 --> 00:29:29,700
that to her knowledge,
he didn't have sex
646
00:29:29,702 --> 00:29:31,969
with anybody other than her.
647
00:29:31,971 --> 00:29:33,137
And that she had never
648
00:29:33,139 --> 00:29:35,606
given anyone a massage.
649
00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:38,542
The defamation case
had another side effect,
650
00:29:38,544 --> 00:29:41,879
it drove ghislaine
back into Jeffrey's orbit.
651
00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:43,580
[David] Remember her defensive,
652
00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:46,083
Epstein was a defensive herself.
653
00:29:46,085 --> 00:29:48,719
And she and Epstein
were cooperating
654
00:29:48,721 --> 00:29:51,688
in defending them...
Themselves, plural.
655
00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:53,857
- [Vicky] Right.
- And Epstein and she
656
00:29:53,859 --> 00:29:55,959
were working very
closely together
657
00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:59,863
in terms of, for example,
defending against the claims,
658
00:29:59,865 --> 00:30:02,332
bringing matters to the press,
659
00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:04,635
all of the kind of PR stuff.
660
00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:07,437
Did you get the impression
that he and ghislaine
661
00:30:07,439 --> 00:30:09,072
were back in touch?
662
00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:11,942
Yes, definitely.
663
00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:15,779
The lawsuit against
her by Virginia Roberts
664
00:30:15,781 --> 00:30:17,447
threatened Jeffrey.
665
00:30:17,449 --> 00:30:20,551
They wound up in
the same boat, uh,
666
00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:22,019
metaphorically speaking.
667
00:30:23,756 --> 00:30:27,257
[Vicky] In 2016 the
defamation case was settled
668
00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:31,161
when ghislaine paid
Virginia an undisclosed sum.
669
00:30:31,163 --> 00:30:33,397
At that point, ghislaine
sold her townhouse
670
00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:35,933
and left New York.
671
00:30:35,935 --> 00:30:39,236
The Jeffrey Epstein story
died down once again.
672
00:30:39,238 --> 00:30:41,705
Even the publication
of the bestseller
673
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:43,307
filthy rich, exposing many
674
00:30:43,309 --> 00:30:45,876
of his crimes down
in palm beach,
675
00:30:45,878 --> 00:30:48,412
didn't keep it in the headlines.
676
00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:51,348
David boies kept trying
to get a criminal case
677
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,017
reopened against Jeffrey.
678
00:30:54,019 --> 00:30:58,021
In 2016 and 2017, we
were going to prosecutors,
679
00:30:58,023 --> 00:31:00,924
we were going to the media,
we were going to anybody
680
00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:04,394
who would listen and
trying to talk to them...
681
00:31:04,396 --> 00:31:06,129
- Right.
- About the evidence.
682
00:31:06,131 --> 00:31:08,031
He thinks ghislaine
should have taken
683
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:11,034
that opportunity to
turn against Jeffrey.
684
00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:12,736
If I had been representing her,
685
00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:15,606
I would have told
her to run, not walk,
686
00:31:15,608 --> 00:31:17,474
run to the us attorney's office
687
00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:19,543
and come clean.
688
00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:22,479
She could have
given the prosecutors
689
00:31:22,481 --> 00:31:24,214
Epstein on a platter.
690
00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:25,949
And that would
have been valuable.
691
00:31:25,951 --> 00:31:27,517
It's even conceivable to me
692
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,953
that if she had acted promptly,
693
00:31:29,955 --> 00:31:31,088
she could have done a deal
694
00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:32,610
that would not have
involved jail time.
695
00:31:34,293 --> 00:31:36,093
[Vicky] David boies
has his own theory
696
00:31:36,095 --> 00:31:38,328
as to why that didn't happen.
697
00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:41,531
If you're gonna
cooperate, the prosecution
698
00:31:41,533 --> 00:31:43,767
is going to require you
699
00:31:43,769 --> 00:31:45,435
to tell the complete truth.
700
00:31:45,437 --> 00:31:48,705
And if you leave anything
out, it will avoid the...
701
00:31:48,707 --> 00:31:50,540
- Right.
- Plea deal.
702
00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:53,977
So she would have
had to really come clean
703
00:31:53,979 --> 00:31:55,679
about everything
that she'd done.
704
00:31:55,681 --> 00:31:58,148
She still had
social pretensions,
705
00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:00,117
she still, as they
say, portrayed herself
706
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,320
as an environmentalist,
she still spoke at programs,
707
00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,889
that all would have
come to a screeching halt
708
00:32:05,891 --> 00:32:08,558
if she had admitted her
role in the sex trafficking.
709
00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:16,266
[Vicky] There's no way
to know why ghislaine
710
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:20,003
didn't turn on Jeffrey
Epstein, of course.
711
00:32:20,005 --> 00:32:22,205
The one possibility
is that she simply
712
00:32:22,207 --> 00:32:24,308
didn't know what
Epstein was doing
713
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:27,277
and therefore could
not have turned him in.
714
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,881
What we do know is that
four years after David boies
715
00:32:30,883 --> 00:32:33,717
began representing
Virginia giuffre,
716
00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,852
he still hadn't
convinced the FBI
717
00:32:35,854 --> 00:32:38,422
to take up Jeffrey's case again.
718
00:32:38,424 --> 00:32:41,391
Instead, one of the
other plaintiffs' attorneys
719
00:32:41,393 --> 00:32:43,894
found somebody who would listen.
720
00:32:43,896 --> 00:32:47,364
In November 2018, the
Miami herald published
721
00:32:47,366 --> 00:32:50,534
an expose by
reporter Julie brown.
722
00:32:50,536 --> 00:32:53,704
She had spoken to more
than 60 women whose stories
723
00:32:53,706 --> 00:32:55,939
had never been told publicly,
724
00:32:55,941 --> 00:32:57,374
even though many had told them
725
00:32:57,376 --> 00:33:01,111
to federal investigators
more than a decade before.
726
00:33:01,113 --> 00:33:02,612
[Reporter] The case has
gained renewed interest
727
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:04,214
after the Miami herald reported
728
00:33:04,216 --> 00:33:06,183
that federal prosecutors entered
729
00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:08,185
into a secret deal with Epstein.
730
00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:11,855
The stories exposed the fact
731
00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,157
that the federal investigation
732
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,193
was effectively shut down
733
00:33:16,195 --> 00:33:17,394
by the justice department,
734
00:33:17,396 --> 00:33:20,297
shut down by Alexander acosta,
735
00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:22,899
who was in the us attorney.
736
00:33:22,901 --> 00:33:24,801
I think there was a
feeling at that point
737
00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:27,137
for a lot of people that acosta
738
00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:28,705
had basically let
Jeffrey Epstein
739
00:33:28,707 --> 00:33:31,074
off the hook with
a very light charge
740
00:33:31,076 --> 00:33:32,943
when in reality what
he was accused of
741
00:33:32,945 --> 00:33:36,413
was basically industrial
scale child abuse.
742
00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:40,117
[Vicky] Alexander acosta had
become the secretary of labor
743
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,219
in President Trump's cabinet,
744
00:33:42,221 --> 00:33:45,355
and the backlash eventually
forced him out of office.
745
00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:47,391
[Reporter] Acosta's
sudden departure comes
746
00:33:47,393 --> 00:33:50,027
less than 48 hours
after the labor secretary
747
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:52,396
defended his role
as a us attorney.
748
00:33:52,398 --> 00:33:54,197
[Vicky] The stories
also put a target
749
00:33:54,199 --> 00:33:56,433
on Jeffrey Epstein's back.
750
00:33:56,435 --> 00:33:58,869
The FBI of New York
says it opened up
751
00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:01,438
the Epstein case in response
752
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,208
to the Miami herald's
reporting on Jeffrey Epstein.
753
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:08,378
You said he had a
sort of kitchen cabinet
754
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:11,548
who met at least three
times that you were aware of
755
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:14,418
in the last six months
before he was arrested.
756
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:16,553
They brainstormed what he can do
757
00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:19,523
about his deteriorating
758
00:34:19,525 --> 00:34:21,792
and impossible situation.
759
00:34:21,794 --> 00:34:23,393
It included bannon.
760
00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,462
- So it included Steve bannon.
- [Edward] And...
761
00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:27,264
Yes, he had
become a close friend
762
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,167
and then become
an adviser to him
763
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,069
in terms of public relations.
764
00:34:33,906 --> 00:34:35,872
[Vicky] Ed Epstein says
the planning sessions
765
00:34:35,874 --> 00:34:40,177
also included Jeffrey's
business partner, ehud barak.
766
00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,512
Barak denies that
saying that he was never
767
00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:46,049
a legal or informal
advisor to Epstein.
768
00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:49,886
The meetings
continued into 2019.
769
00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:51,855
But Jeffrey doesn't seem to have
770
00:34:51,857 --> 00:34:53,423
believed he was in danger.
771
00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:08,438
[Vicky] But on July 6th, 2019,
772
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,141
it all came crashing down.
773
00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:13,477
Billionaire financier Jeffrey
Epstein has been arrested.
774
00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:15,312
He was taken into
custody overnight
775
00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:17,013
at a New Jersey airport.
776
00:35:18,016 --> 00:35:19,883
Today, we announce the unsealing
777
00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:23,854
of sex trafficking charges
against Jeffrey Epstein.
778
00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:25,422
[Reporter] His mansion
on east 71st street
779
00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:27,457
was raided early Sunday morning
780
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:30,460
as agents hauled out
multiple bags of evidence.
781
00:35:32,164 --> 00:35:33,296
[Vicky] It looked as if Jeffrey
782
00:35:33,298 --> 00:35:35,799
would finally face justice.
783
00:35:35,801 --> 00:35:38,468
And Epstein watchers,
wondered if authorities
784
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:40,270
would find the
blackmail material
785
00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:43,340
he was rumored to have
taped over the years.
786
00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:46,309
There are Epstein
victims who say
787
00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:49,112
that they saw a room
788
00:35:49,114 --> 00:35:51,214
in his upper east side mansion.
789
00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:55,118
And it was filled with screens,
790
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,687
screens with live feeds
791
00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:00,056
from the bathrooms
in his mansion,
792
00:36:00,058 --> 00:36:03,193
from the bedrooms
in his mansion.
793
00:36:03,195 --> 00:36:07,063
What happened to
that video footage,
794
00:36:07,065 --> 00:36:09,199
if it ever existed,
795
00:36:09,201 --> 00:36:12,435
is one of the great
mysteries of this whole thing.
796
00:36:12,437 --> 00:36:14,938
We heard that
there were passports,
797
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:17,307
there were diamonds,
you know, all sorts of things
798
00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:20,377
found in that
house but no tapes.
799
00:36:20,379 --> 00:36:24,447
And that remains
the big question,
800
00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:26,650
who has them and where are they?
801
00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,486
[Vicky] At the
time of the arrest,
802
00:36:29,488 --> 00:36:32,155
Jennifer araoz who
says she was raped
803
00:36:32,157 --> 00:36:35,025
by Jeffrey Epstein
when she was 15
804
00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:38,161
was getting ready to
sue him for damages.
805
00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:41,031
She quickly filed the
suit and went public
806
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:43,466
with an interview
on the today show.
807
00:36:43,468 --> 00:36:46,469
He hurt me badly.
808
00:36:48,473 --> 00:36:50,974
I prefer not to go through that,
809
00:36:50,976 --> 00:36:54,244
so, you know, this is one way
810
00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:57,514
for me to get justice.
811
00:36:59,017 --> 00:37:01,885
[Vicky] Then in August, five
weeks after Jeffrey Epstein
812
00:37:01,887 --> 00:37:05,322
was arrested, came
more shocking news.
813
00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,290
Disgraced financier
Jeffrey Epstein
814
00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:10,393
has taken his own life
while he was behind bars
815
00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:12,295
here in New York City.
816
00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:17,167
The idea that he
had killed himself
817
00:37:17,169 --> 00:37:19,102
was shocking to me
818
00:37:19,104 --> 00:37:21,938
because this was
not a guy who thought
819
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:24,975
that anyone or anything
could defeat him.
820
00:37:24,977 --> 00:37:27,844
Somebody who knew
Jeffrey very well said to me,
821
00:37:27,846 --> 00:37:30,180
well, this is his
way of winning.
822
00:37:30,182 --> 00:37:35,051
This is his way of
having the last laugh.
823
00:37:36,321 --> 00:37:39,356
That was before we knew
824
00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:42,826
about all the very
strange circumstances.
825
00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:44,261
It's an almost incomprehensible
826
00:37:44,263 --> 00:37:46,296
series of
coincidences if you will.
827
00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:48,465
Take him off suicide watch,
828
00:37:48,467 --> 00:37:51,368
remove his cellmate,
829
00:37:52,337 --> 00:37:56,039
not have the guards
look in on him, um,
830
00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:58,875
somehow the
cameras are turned off.
831
00:37:58,877 --> 00:38:01,344
These things can happen, right?
832
00:38:01,346 --> 00:38:04,214
These things can happen
but they all shouldn't
833
00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:05,949
happen in one place.
834
00:38:05,951 --> 00:38:08,852
All these peculiar
things that I know
835
00:38:08,854 --> 00:38:11,621
have caused even members
of his own defense team
836
00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:14,124
to question if he
really killed himself
837
00:38:14,126 --> 00:38:16,426
despite that being
the coroner's finding.
838
00:38:17,296 --> 00:38:20,297
[Vicky] Former arms
dealer Ari Ben-menashe,
839
00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:22,132
whose controversial theories
840
00:38:22,134 --> 00:38:24,234
often tend towards conspiracy,
841
00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:26,002
was held at the same jail
842
00:38:26,004 --> 00:38:29,072
when he was
awaiting trial in 1989.
843
00:38:29,074 --> 00:38:32,375
And he also thinks the
official account is unlikely.
844
00:38:32,377 --> 00:38:36,880
In the cell itself,
almost impossible
845
00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:39,215
to commit suicide in the cell.
846
00:38:39,217 --> 00:38:41,017
Almost impossible.
847
00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:43,053
Well, I'm sure
848
00:38:44,256 --> 00:38:46,389
if you had the gun smuggled,
849
00:38:46,391 --> 00:38:49,259
- then you'd commit suicide.
- Right.
850
00:38:49,261 --> 00:38:53,563
[Ari] But how they
described it, it's impossible.
851
00:38:53,565 --> 00:38:55,165
[Vicky] So you're
suggesting that he was...
852
00:38:55,167 --> 00:38:57,067
He was murdered?
853
00:38:57,069 --> 00:39:00,704
I'm suggesting
that Epstein needed
854
00:39:00,706 --> 00:39:04,140
to be gotten rid of somehow,
855
00:39:04,142 --> 00:39:05,975
one way or another.
856
00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:07,744
[Vicky] In your narrative,
857
00:39:07,746 --> 00:39:09,346
the stories of Jeffrey Epstein
858
00:39:09,348 --> 00:39:12,382
and Robert Maxwell are
actually very, very similar.
859
00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:14,317
[Ari] That's
right, very similar.
860
00:39:14,319 --> 00:39:16,553
Very, very similar.
861
00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:18,455
[Vicky] Both men whose fortunes
862
00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:20,924
were based on mirages.
863
00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:22,459
[Ari] Correct.
864
00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:25,295
And both men who,
according to you,
865
00:39:25,297 --> 00:39:28,598
died because it was
too dangerous for them
866
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,000
to reveal the
secrets that they had.
867
00:39:31,002 --> 00:39:33,703
Correct.
868
00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:36,039
These guys thought
they're protected
869
00:39:36,041 --> 00:39:38,375
with the knowledge they had.
870
00:39:38,377 --> 00:39:40,710
Actually the knowledge they had
871
00:39:40,712 --> 00:39:42,979
was what had them killed.
872
00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:46,049
[Vicky] Of course, neither death
873
00:39:46,051 --> 00:39:47,984
was officially ruled murder,
874
00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:50,153
but questions have lingered.
875
00:39:50,155 --> 00:39:53,123
And justice Robert
Maxwell's victims felt cheated
876
00:39:53,125 --> 00:39:55,859
when he died in 1991,
877
00:39:55,861 --> 00:40:00,430
so, too, did Epstein's
30 years later.
878
00:40:00,432 --> 00:40:01,498
I wanted my day in court,
879
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:02,999
I wanted to tell him, you know,
880
00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:05,034
exactly what I felt about him.
881
00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:09,172
I just felt just really,
I don't know, alone.
882
00:40:09,174 --> 00:40:12,542
[Vicky] Jennifer araoz and
her attorney, Eric lerner,
883
00:40:12,544 --> 00:40:14,844
wanted to get
answers from ghislaine
884
00:40:14,846 --> 00:40:17,013
and sue her for damages.
885
00:40:17,015 --> 00:40:18,148
Jennifer was a child,
886
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:20,984
she was 14 years old
and she was exploited
887
00:40:20,986 --> 00:40:22,786
and recruited from high school.
888
00:40:22,788 --> 00:40:26,189
And based on the
allegations in the indictment,
889
00:40:26,191 --> 00:40:29,292
this couldn't have happened
without ghislaine Maxwell.
890
00:40:29,294 --> 00:40:32,896
We hired an investigative
team to, you know,
891
00:40:32,898 --> 00:40:36,032
look for her and they
had some sightings of her
892
00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:40,336
in California in in-n-out
and we had people out there.
893
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:43,106
We pretty much searched
the country for her.
894
00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:44,541
Physically going to locations
895
00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:46,443
and trying to find her
896
00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:48,278
and looking for leads.
897
00:40:49,181 --> 00:40:51,147
[Vicky] But ghislaine
had gone underground.
898
00:40:52,217 --> 00:40:54,317
Rumors eventually
start to surface
899
00:40:54,319 --> 00:40:57,687
that she was hiding out
in a chateau in France,
900
00:40:57,689 --> 00:41:00,390
that she was staying on
a yacht in New Zealand,
901
00:41:00,392 --> 00:41:02,926
they led nowhere.
902
00:41:02,928 --> 00:41:05,228
[Vicky] As it would turn
out, ghislaine hadn't left
903
00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:06,963
the United States at all.
904
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:10,266
She was in new england
living with her new husband,
905
00:41:10,268 --> 00:41:13,503
a tech entrepreneur
named Scott borgerson.
906
00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,472
The marriage was a secret.
907
00:41:15,474 --> 00:41:17,006
Last time I saw her,
908
00:41:17,008 --> 00:41:18,875
she came to my
terrace very briefly
909
00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:20,577
and that was about
the terramar thing
910
00:41:20,579 --> 00:41:22,445
and that she was
living in New Hampshire
911
00:41:22,447 --> 00:41:23,813
or Boston or somewhere.
912
00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:25,515
[Vicky] She didn't
mentioned she was married?
913
00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:29,118
No. I... no, that
was a total surprise.
914
00:41:30,155 --> 00:41:31,187
She's a citizen of the world.
915
00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:33,122
She's got a French passport.
916
00:41:33,124 --> 00:41:37,327
Why would she
have stayed in the us?
917
00:41:37,329 --> 00:41:39,195
It's one of the great mysteries.
918
00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:42,332
There are two reasons
I can only imagine.
919
00:41:42,334 --> 00:41:45,368
Either she was deeply in
love with somebody who'd...
920
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:47,270
And she wanted
to live in america
921
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:49,939
or she was promised by the FBI
922
00:41:49,941 --> 00:41:52,041
that they weren't
coming after her.
923
00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:55,545
[Vicky] In December 2019,
924
00:41:55,547 --> 00:41:58,715
ghislaine bought a house
in Bradford, New Hampshire
925
00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:01,217
for $1,000,000 in cash.
926
00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:03,353
It was even called tucked away
927
00:42:03,355 --> 00:42:05,288
that was how secluded it was.
928
00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:06,489
And the neighbors had no idea
929
00:42:06,491 --> 00:42:07,924
she was living there, you know.
930
00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:09,526
There are people...
Journalists went to try
931
00:42:09,528 --> 00:42:11,694
to speak to them and they
didn't have the faintest idea
932
00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:13,496
ghislaine Maxwell
was living next to them.
933
00:42:13,498 --> 00:42:15,031
She kept her head down.
934
00:42:15,033 --> 00:42:16,266
She had a...
935
00:42:16,268 --> 00:42:17,834
She had large
financial resources
936
00:42:17,836 --> 00:42:19,569
with which to do that.
937
00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:21,871
[Vicky] But the hideout
only stayed secret
938
00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:23,273
for a few months.
939
00:42:23,275 --> 00:42:26,242
They knew she was in a
small town in New Hampshire
940
00:42:26,244 --> 00:42:28,077
but they didn't
know exactly where.
941
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,246
So they had to get a warrant.
942
00:42:30,248 --> 00:42:32,815
They used a sophisticated
piece of technology,
943
00:42:32,817 --> 00:42:35,018
a stingray is what it's called.
944
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:38,187
They can essentially
ping a cell phone
945
00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:39,956
and then zero in on it,
946
00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:44,394
and determine a precise
location of that cell phone.
947
00:42:44,396 --> 00:42:48,431
The FBI moves in,
ghislaine Maxwell disobey,
948
00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:49,966
in order for her
to open the door
949
00:42:49,968 --> 00:42:52,769
instead she moved
further into her mansion.
950
00:42:52,771 --> 00:42:55,772
They get inside
and they arrest her.
951
00:42:55,774 --> 00:42:57,874
[Reporter] Federal
agents found her cell phone
952
00:42:57,876 --> 00:43:00,710
wrapped in tinfoil in what
prosecutors described
953
00:43:00,712 --> 00:43:02,879
as a seemingly misguided effort
954
00:43:02,881 --> 00:43:05,281
to evade detection
by law enforcement.
955
00:43:05,283 --> 00:43:07,951
Maxwell is scheduled to
go before a judge today
956
00:43:07,953 --> 00:43:11,120
to find out if she will be
granted release on bond.
957
00:43:11,122 --> 00:43:12,422
[Man] Bail denied.
958
00:43:12,424 --> 00:43:14,490
Jeffrey Epstein's
former girlfriend
959
00:43:14,492 --> 00:43:18,061
will remain behind bars on
charges that she recruited
960
00:43:18,063 --> 00:43:20,597
young girls for Epstein
to sexually abuse.
961
00:43:23,868 --> 00:43:27,437
[Jack] She asked for
more than $28 million bail.
962
00:43:27,439 --> 00:43:30,940
She's gonna pay for
former special forces soldiers
963
00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,375
to keep her under armed guard.
964
00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:34,177
She offered to give
up her passports.
965
00:43:34,179 --> 00:43:35,945
And come the
third bail application,
966
00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:37,146
she offered to
give up her British
967
00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,715
and French citizenship.
968
00:43:38,717 --> 00:43:41,584
So we've heard from Ian Maxwell
969
00:43:41,586 --> 00:43:43,987
who's given TV interviews
970
00:43:43,989 --> 00:43:47,090
and he's firmly of the view
971
00:43:47,092 --> 00:43:48,391
that the only reason she's there
972
00:43:48,393 --> 00:43:50,426
is because Jeffrey
Epstein is dead.
973
00:43:50,428 --> 00:43:51,694
[Man] Why is ghislaine Maxwell
974
00:43:51,696 --> 00:43:53,229
being treated differently?
975
00:43:53,231 --> 00:43:55,064
She's a patsy for Epstein
976
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:59,135
is the answer whom
they lost on their watch
977
00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:01,237
and they're taking
it out on my sister.
978
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,039
Damn it. That's wrong.
979
00:44:06,111 --> 00:44:08,044
[Vicky] David Boise
says that ghislaine
980
00:44:08,046 --> 00:44:09,846
is just one of the people
981
00:44:09,848 --> 00:44:11,514
who should be held responsible.
982
00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:13,383
Do you think we are likely
983
00:44:13,385 --> 00:44:15,952
to see any more
arrests or indictment?
984
00:44:15,954 --> 00:44:17,120
[Jack] I hope we do.
985
00:44:17,122 --> 00:44:20,056
I think that Epstein and Maxwell
986
00:44:20,058 --> 00:44:21,858
were the two central players,
987
00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:23,826
but there a number
of other people
988
00:44:23,828 --> 00:44:25,928
who contributed and import
989
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:28,765
the ways for the continuation
990
00:44:28,767 --> 00:44:31,067
of the sex-trafficking
enterprise.
991
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:35,505
And I think those people
need to be held to account.
992
00:44:37,008 --> 00:44:39,475
[Vicky] One of the four
minor victims who are part
993
00:44:39,477 --> 00:44:43,246
of the indictment against
ghislaine is Annie farmer,
994
00:44:43,248 --> 00:44:47,050
who first spoke to
me back in 2002.
995
00:44:47,052 --> 00:44:49,986
I finally had the chance
to meet her in person
996
00:44:49,988 --> 00:44:53,289
when she spoke in court in 2019.
997
00:44:53,291 --> 00:44:56,359
Annie farmer did
stand out even then
998
00:44:56,361 --> 00:45:01,731
as somebody of
remarkable composure
999
00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:06,436
and calm to meet
her in the courthouse,
1000
00:45:06,438 --> 00:45:09,706
you know, she was
exactly what I'd pictured.
1001
00:45:09,708 --> 00:45:12,075
She strikes to me
as a very dignified,
1002
00:45:12,077 --> 00:45:14,410
extraordinarily brave person.
1003
00:45:14,412 --> 00:45:17,380
My dealings with
Annie's sister, Maria,
1004
00:45:17,382 --> 00:45:19,348
have been much more difficult.
1005
00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:22,919
I heard from Maria
around this time,
1006
00:45:22,921 --> 00:45:24,253
I can't tell you what she said
1007
00:45:24,255 --> 00:45:26,923
because it was off the record.
1008
00:45:26,925 --> 00:45:28,991
She claimed to have had
1009
00:45:28,993 --> 00:45:32,462
a very harrowing life
1010
00:45:32,464 --> 00:45:35,431
in the aftermath of
the non-publication
1011
00:45:35,433 --> 00:45:39,569
of her allegations
against Jeffrey.
1012
00:45:39,571 --> 00:45:44,507
We did manage to get
the allegations out in 2015.
1013
00:45:44,509 --> 00:45:47,410
But I know that Maria,
1014
00:45:47,412 --> 00:45:49,078
in the last two years
1015
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,483
is very angry at me.
1016
00:45:53,485 --> 00:45:56,986
And, um, I get it,
1017
00:45:56,988 --> 00:45:59,322
you know what, I failed her
1018
00:45:59,324 --> 00:46:01,357
and, um...
1019
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:03,926
I feel, uh,
1020
00:46:03,928 --> 00:46:05,995
awful about it.
1021
00:46:05,997 --> 00:46:08,564
And you know, if I
had the opportunity,
1022
00:46:08,566 --> 00:46:11,434
I would say to her
that I am so, so sorry.
1023
00:46:16,507 --> 00:46:18,941
[Dramatic music playing]
1024
00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:20,810
[Vicky] You've talked about
the sort of web of power
1025
00:46:20,812 --> 00:46:22,111
that propped Jeffrey up.
1026
00:46:22,113 --> 00:46:24,847
It doesn't seem like
that's going to disappear
1027
00:46:24,849 --> 00:46:28,251
even if ghislaine Maxwell is
found guilty and go to prison.
1028
00:46:28,253 --> 00:46:29,519
Yeah, it doesn't end with her.
1029
00:46:29,521 --> 00:46:31,921
There are a lot of
people to blame in this.
1030
00:46:31,923 --> 00:46:33,823
I think one of the reasons,
1031
00:46:33,825 --> 00:46:35,892
it focuses on ghislaine
1032
00:46:35,894 --> 00:46:38,761
is because she has
knowledge of that web
1033
00:46:38,763 --> 00:46:41,030
- or at least that we've originally thought.
- Mmm-hmm.
1034
00:46:41,032 --> 00:46:42,765
[Eric] But it seems
like there's a lot
1035
00:46:42,767 --> 00:46:45,468
of powerful men
around Jeffrey Epstein
1036
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:47,937
who are part of this
web and don't appear
1037
00:46:47,939 --> 00:46:50,439
to be part of any
investigation right now.
1038
00:46:50,441 --> 00:46:53,376
[Vicky] Whilst
ghislaine stand accused
1039
00:46:53,378 --> 00:46:55,978
of terrible, terrible,
terrible crimes,
1040
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:57,380
there are other people
1041
00:46:57,382 --> 00:46:59,248
who might be
culpable in all of this
1042
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,150
who just off scot free
1043
00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:04,453
and those are what I
call the invisible men
1044
00:47:04,455 --> 00:47:06,455
and they are men
1045
00:47:06,457 --> 00:47:09,859
who surrounded Jeffrey
1046
00:47:09,861 --> 00:47:11,527
all this time,
1047
00:47:11,529 --> 00:47:15,531
enabled his awful crimes
1048
00:47:15,533 --> 00:47:18,401
looked the other way
1049
00:47:18,403 --> 00:47:19,969
whether out of self-protection,
1050
00:47:19,971 --> 00:47:22,271
self-interest, greed.
1051
00:47:22,273 --> 00:47:25,374
There have been repercussions
for some of the men
1052
00:47:25,376 --> 00:47:27,476
who are friendly with Jeffrey.
1053
00:47:27,478 --> 00:47:29,512
Prince Andrew, for example,
1054
00:47:29,514 --> 00:47:31,147
amidst public pressure,
1055
00:47:31,149 --> 00:47:34,417
he agreed to speak to
the BBC after Jeffrey died.
1056
00:47:34,419 --> 00:47:38,120
It would be a
considerable stretch
1057
00:47:38,122 --> 00:47:39,956
to say that he was a
very, very, close friend.
1058
00:47:39,958 --> 00:47:44,694
Do I regret of the fact
that he has quite obviously
1059
00:47:44,696 --> 00:47:47,430
conducted himself in
a manner unbecoming?
1060
00:47:47,432 --> 00:47:48,464
Yes.
1061
00:47:48,466 --> 00:47:49,732
Unbecoming?
1062
00:47:49,734 --> 00:47:50,833
He was a sex offender?
1063
00:47:50,835 --> 00:47:52,802
Yeah. I'm sorry.
I'm being polite.
1064
00:47:52,804 --> 00:47:55,771
I think what the British
public were probably expecting
1065
00:47:55,773 --> 00:47:58,908
from prince Andrew
was an apology.
1066
00:47:58,910 --> 00:48:00,376
They were probably
expecting him to show
1067
00:48:00,378 --> 00:48:02,111
empathy and sympathy.
1068
00:48:02,113 --> 00:48:04,213
I don't remember that
photo of ever being taken.
1069
00:48:04,215 --> 00:48:06,415
But it's possible
that it was you
1070
00:48:06,417 --> 00:48:08,885
- with your arm around her waist...
- That's me but whether
1071
00:48:08,887 --> 00:48:13,256
that's my hand or whether
that's, um, the position, I...
1072
00:48:13,258 --> 00:48:15,458
[Vicky] Do you regret the
whole friendship with Epstein?
1073
00:48:16,895 --> 00:48:18,394
I'm... I...
1074
00:48:18,396 --> 00:48:20,763
Now, I still not.
1075
00:48:20,765 --> 00:48:24,767
He said that he valued the
connections that he made
1076
00:48:24,769 --> 00:48:27,403
which is fascinating
that even after everything
1077
00:48:27,405 --> 00:48:29,338
that had happened,
obviously the power
1078
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:33,009
of Epstein's political
connections was still having
1079
00:48:33,011 --> 00:48:35,611
swayed over prince
Andrew even in that moment.
1080
00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:38,047
[Reporter] The Monday
morning headlines say it all.
1081
00:48:38,049 --> 00:48:40,416
Prince Andrew's attempt
to explain his friendship
1082
00:48:40,418 --> 00:48:43,986
with accused sex trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein backfiring.
1083
00:48:43,988 --> 00:48:45,988
The furor over it does not seem
1084
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:47,490
to be settling down today.
1085
00:48:47,492 --> 00:48:49,258
[Jack] Prince Andrew
was forced to step back
1086
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:50,793
from public life.
1087
00:48:50,795 --> 00:48:52,395
What's important for
Americans to understand
1088
00:48:52,397 --> 00:48:54,697
is that royals don't get
cancelled, you know,
1089
00:48:54,699 --> 00:48:56,299
that's not a thing that happens.
1090
00:48:56,301 --> 00:48:57,867
You don't lose your
job as a member
1091
00:48:57,869 --> 00:48:59,969
of the royal family.
1092
00:48:59,971 --> 00:49:03,139
[Vicky] Another man who's
being affected is Leon black,
1093
00:49:03,141 --> 00:49:06,575
the former ceo of Apollo
global management
1094
00:49:06,577 --> 00:49:10,713
who admitted paying
Jeffrey $158 million
1095
00:49:10,715 --> 00:49:12,448
over five years.
1096
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:14,483
My friend, William d. Cohan,
1097
00:49:14,485 --> 00:49:17,853
who covers wall street
for vanity fair and others
1098
00:49:17,855 --> 00:49:19,221
broke that one down for me.
1099
00:49:19,223 --> 00:49:22,191
This idea that Leon black,
1100
00:49:22,193 --> 00:49:25,861
truly one of the smartest
guys on wall street,
1101
00:49:25,863 --> 00:49:31,100
would turn to Jeffrey Epstein
1102
00:49:31,102 --> 00:49:34,737
for bespoke financial...
1103
00:49:34,739 --> 00:49:37,173
Tax advice
1104
00:49:37,175 --> 00:49:41,077
absolutely makes
no sense whatsoever.
1105
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,047
[Vicky] Bill says that the men
who have the most connection
1106
00:49:45,049 --> 00:49:48,351
to Epstein are known on
wall street as the big three.
1107
00:49:48,353 --> 00:49:49,986
Black, Leslie wexner,
1108
00:49:49,988 --> 00:49:53,022
and former hedge fund
manager Glenn dubin
1109
00:49:53,024 --> 00:49:57,226
who married Jeffrey's former
girlfriend, Eva Andersson.
1110
00:49:57,228 --> 00:50:00,196
Dubin left his fund
after Jeffrey died
1111
00:50:00,198 --> 00:50:02,398
and has been subpoenaed
by an investigator
1112
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,567
in the us Virgin Islands.
1113
00:50:04,569 --> 00:50:06,702
Black was forced out of his role
1114
00:50:06,704 --> 00:50:08,738
as board chair of Apollo.
1115
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:10,873
And wexner and
his wife have also
1116
00:50:10,875 --> 00:50:13,075
left the board of l brands.
1117
00:50:13,077 --> 00:50:16,345
The big three, the ones
that I think everybody knew
1118
00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:19,448
Jeffrey had a relationship with,
1119
00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:22,952
as well as Bill Gates
and prince Andrew,
1120
00:50:22,954 --> 00:50:25,721
have paid a reputational price.
1121
00:50:25,723 --> 00:50:27,123
But who are the others?
1122
00:50:28,226 --> 00:50:30,760
Ghislaine really
could be the gateway,
1123
00:50:30,762 --> 00:50:35,264
the key to this shadowy
web of invisible men.
1124
00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:40,102
The big question is what
information does she have?
1125
00:50:40,104 --> 00:50:42,605
I mean ghislaine holds
the key to the cabinet, right?
1126
00:50:42,607 --> 00:50:44,840
And in that cabinet,
there's a lot information.
1127
00:50:44,842 --> 00:50:46,609
She was around
Jeffrey Epstein's life,
1128
00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:48,244
she was around his
life, meets a lot of very,
1129
00:50:48,246 --> 00:50:49,712
very powerful people
1130
00:50:49,714 --> 00:50:52,114
talking to them,
entertaining them,
1131
00:50:52,116 --> 00:50:54,083
dining with them.
1132
00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:55,518
She holds a lot.
1133
00:50:56,788 --> 00:50:59,688
[Dramatic music playing]
1134
00:50:59,690 --> 00:51:02,091
[Vicky] What about the
tapes Epstein allegedly made
1135
00:51:02,093 --> 00:51:04,226
to blackmail people?
1136
00:51:04,228 --> 00:51:06,128
Does she know about those?
1137
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:08,998
[David] I think there is no
doubt that there were tapes.
1138
00:51:10,134 --> 00:51:12,735
Now, where are those tapes are?
1139
00:51:12,737 --> 00:51:15,204
Indeed, even whether those tapes
1140
00:51:15,206 --> 00:51:17,506
continue to exist is something
1141
00:51:17,508 --> 00:51:20,142
that we've not
been able to prove
1142
00:51:20,144 --> 00:51:21,610
one way or the other.
1143
00:51:21,612 --> 00:51:25,381
Ghislaine Maxwell is
being pressured now
1144
00:51:25,383 --> 00:51:27,149
about the tapes.
1145
00:51:27,151 --> 00:51:29,118
Does she know where they
are? Does she have them?
1146
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,120
She might have bits of them
1147
00:51:31,122 --> 00:51:33,556
but the Israelis
definitely has them.
1148
00:51:33,558 --> 00:51:35,925
- Yes.
- You know that?
1149
00:51:35,927 --> 00:51:37,126
[Ari] Yes.
1150
00:51:38,996 --> 00:51:42,331
I think this whole extraordinary
1151
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:45,968
tale of influence, campaigns,
1152
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:48,337
of arms dealing,
1153
00:51:48,339 --> 00:51:51,073
of compromising people
1154
00:51:51,075 --> 00:51:53,809
shows that he may well
have been propped up
1155
00:51:53,811 --> 00:51:56,712
by an international network,
1156
00:51:56,714 --> 00:51:59,849
that he could have had much
more leverage over people,
1157
00:51:59,851 --> 00:52:03,385
over countries than
perhaps any of us knew.
1158
00:52:05,056 --> 00:52:08,257
It is absolutely remarkable
1159
00:52:08,259 --> 00:52:10,459
the reach that he had.
1160
00:52:10,461 --> 00:52:12,328
[David] Uh, that's
absolutely right.
1161
00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,931
There's still an enormous
amount that even those of us
1162
00:52:15,933 --> 00:52:18,767
who have been working
on this for six or seven years
1163
00:52:18,769 --> 00:52:22,705
don't yet know that
the contacts he had,
1164
00:52:22,707 --> 00:52:25,474
the powerful people
who had one connection
1165
00:52:25,476 --> 00:52:26,842
with him or another.
1166
00:52:26,844 --> 00:52:28,277
His legion.
1167
00:52:31,249 --> 00:52:34,049
[Vicky] Even two
years after his death,
1168
00:52:34,051 --> 00:52:37,353
Jeffrey Epstein
still has the power
1169
00:52:37,355 --> 00:52:39,522
to pull down the
rich and famous.
1170
00:52:40,825 --> 00:52:44,126
The question is whether
ghislaine could do the same.
1171
00:52:45,129 --> 00:52:48,197
[David] I think there are
powerful people out there
1172
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,133
who want to keep
1173
00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:53,969
concealed facts
1174
00:52:53,971 --> 00:52:56,405
that Ms. Maxwell knows
1175
00:52:56,407 --> 00:52:58,707
just as I think there
were powerful people
1176
00:52:58,709 --> 00:53:01,977
who wanted to keep concealed
facts with Jeffrey Epstein.
1177
00:53:01,979 --> 00:53:05,481
He was a dangerous
person for a lot of people
1178
00:53:05,483 --> 00:53:08,250
because if he went down,
then he was the type that would
1179
00:53:08,252 --> 00:53:10,186
take everybody down with him.
1180
00:53:10,188 --> 00:53:12,821
Well, how dangerous is
ghislaine Maxwell, then?
1181
00:53:12,823 --> 00:53:14,924
Question is, what does she know?
1182
00:53:14,926 --> 00:53:18,093
And who doesn't
want that coming out?
1183
00:53:18,095 --> 00:53:20,696
And how long is that valuable?
1184
00:53:20,698 --> 00:53:24,700
Because information
loses its strength after time.
1185
00:53:26,437 --> 00:53:28,571
Ghislaine Maxwell may be
1186
00:53:28,573 --> 00:53:31,307
the last person on earth
1187
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:34,476
who can be squeezed to say
1188
00:53:34,478 --> 00:53:36,445
what actually happened here
1189
00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:39,081
because I'm afraid that people
1190
00:53:39,083 --> 00:53:41,183
will never spill their guts.
1191
00:53:41,185 --> 00:53:43,986
It's very, very hard
1192
00:53:43,988 --> 00:53:46,922
to get people to
spill the beans.
1193
00:53:46,924 --> 00:53:48,757
[William] Especially
when they've been paid
1194
00:53:48,759 --> 00:53:52,328
a lot of money probably and
they've signed agreements
1195
00:53:52,330 --> 00:53:55,197
that they won't and I
really think that that's
1196
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,334
what's going on here and
not just like back in the day.
1197
00:53:58,336 --> 00:54:01,737
I think these people have
been paid and are continuing
1198
00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:04,506
to be paid and may
even be being paid more.
1199
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:08,477
Really this is a
story about guys,
1200
00:54:08,479 --> 00:54:12,081
very, very rich guys
covering for each other.
1201
00:54:12,083 --> 00:54:14,350
Couldn't agree more.
1202
00:54:14,352 --> 00:54:16,885
And who knows what
they're covering for?
1203
00:54:16,887 --> 00:54:20,222
Their lives, their
reputations depend
1204
00:54:20,224 --> 00:54:22,091
on the truth never getting out.
1205
00:54:22,093 --> 00:54:25,027
And so I suspect that the truth
1206
00:54:25,029 --> 00:54:27,162
will never come out.
1207
00:54:28,099 --> 00:54:29,798
[Vicky] As she faces trial,
1208
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,268
ghislaine has
maintained her innocence
1209
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:35,271
and it's possible
that that is true.
1210
00:54:35,273 --> 00:54:37,573
Her father's
biographer, Tom bower,
1211
00:54:37,575 --> 00:54:40,075
who remains in
contact with the family,
1212
00:54:40,077 --> 00:54:41,710
says it's also possible
1213
00:54:41,712 --> 00:54:44,246
that she's following
the Maxwell tradition.
1214
00:54:44,248 --> 00:54:48,217
The Maxwell psyche is
always to fight for survival
1215
00:54:48,219 --> 00:54:51,053
and to win and that's I'm
sure she's aiming for now.
1216
00:54:51,055 --> 00:54:54,356
She imagines that she can,
1217
00:54:54,358 --> 00:54:56,759
in her day in court, be...
1218
00:54:56,761 --> 00:54:59,061
Persuade the jury
that she's innocent.
1219
00:54:59,063 --> 00:55:01,930
Uh, and that's what
she'll be fighting for.
1220
00:55:01,932 --> 00:55:03,499
Her legal team,
according to sources,
1221
00:55:03,501 --> 00:55:05,367
believes that
she's going to win.
1222
00:55:05,369 --> 00:55:07,436
If they are really
telling her that,
1223
00:55:08,506 --> 00:55:12,608
I think that is a grave
disservice to their client.
1224
00:55:13,711 --> 00:55:17,346
I think that she is not
going to win this trial.
1225
00:55:17,348 --> 00:55:20,049
[Vicky] Ghislaine may
be taking her example
1226
00:55:20,051 --> 00:55:23,018
from her brothers who
were found not guilty
1227
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:25,888
in their fraud
trial 25 years ago.
1228
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:28,157
Kevin now is helping ghislaine
1229
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,759
daily with her defense.
1230
00:55:30,761 --> 00:55:32,194
Do you know that for sure?
1231
00:55:32,196 --> 00:55:33,896
I mean the rest of us
don't know Kevin Maxwell
1232
00:55:33,898 --> 00:55:35,331
in the way that you do.
1233
00:55:35,333 --> 00:55:38,067
[Tom] Yes, for sure,
he's helping them.
1234
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:41,870
Do not underestimate
Kevin's determination
1235
00:55:41,872 --> 00:55:44,807
to ensure that his
sister's acquitted.
1236
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:46,875
I think you can anticipate
1237
00:55:46,877 --> 00:55:50,279
that Kevin's defense strategy
1238
00:55:50,281 --> 00:55:54,149
will be to destroy the
credibility of the women.
1239
00:55:55,486 --> 00:55:57,186
[Vicky] And there
is one more defense
1240
00:55:57,188 --> 00:55:58,987
that ghislaine could attempt.
1241
00:55:58,989 --> 00:56:01,156
She could claim that she, too,
1242
00:56:01,158 --> 00:56:03,425
was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein.
1243
00:56:03,427 --> 00:56:06,095
Ghislaine can easily
plea that she is a victim
1244
00:56:06,097 --> 00:56:09,498
of a tyrannous
boyfriend, Epstein.
1245
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,800
And there'll be
women in that jury
1246
00:56:11,802 --> 00:56:15,204
who will sympathize
with the idea that ghislaine
1247
00:56:15,206 --> 00:56:17,606
has been the
victim of a monster.
1248
00:56:19,977 --> 00:56:22,678
[Vicky] For those of us
who knew her over the years,
1249
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,114
it's almost impossible
to comprehend
1250
00:56:25,116 --> 00:56:27,316
where ghislaine's
road has taken her.
1251
00:56:27,318 --> 00:56:30,819
It's very sobering the idea
that someone you knew
1252
00:56:30,821 --> 00:56:33,255
could have been
doing this kind of stuff.
1253
00:56:33,257 --> 00:56:35,624
What are your
feelings about it all?
1254
00:56:37,862 --> 00:56:41,497
Total disgust, horror,
1255
00:56:41,499 --> 00:56:45,367
and a kind of
feeling of some guilt.
1256
00:56:45,369 --> 00:56:48,203
And it just turns my stomach.
1257
00:56:48,205 --> 00:56:50,672
It's one thing when you're...
1258
00:56:52,042 --> 00:56:54,176
You must rush
out and get some...
1259
00:56:54,178 --> 00:56:57,880
Get Epstein the best
chicken soup in New York City,
1260
00:56:57,882 --> 00:56:59,515
it's a hella different story
1261
00:56:59,517 --> 00:57:03,585
if it's feeding his
depraved appetite
1262
00:57:03,587 --> 00:57:07,523
for defenseless young girls.
1263
00:57:07,525 --> 00:57:10,559
It's just awfully disgusting
1264
00:57:10,561 --> 00:57:12,961
and you kind of
don't want to believe
1265
00:57:12,963 --> 00:57:14,363
that a friend of yours
1266
00:57:14,365 --> 00:57:17,232
is capable of
anything that is just...
1267
00:57:18,903 --> 00:57:21,537
-[Vicky] A monstrous.
-[Christopher] No. It's monstrous.
1268
00:57:23,073 --> 00:57:25,541
[Vicky] In the end,
ghislaine Maxwell's story
1269
00:57:25,543 --> 00:57:29,678
returns to her father
and his own sordid past.
1270
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,413
One of the great
takeaways from doing
1271
00:57:31,415 --> 00:57:33,182
all this reporting
1272
00:57:33,184 --> 00:57:35,250
is in the
extraordinary parallels
1273
00:57:35,252 --> 00:57:37,886
between Jeffrey Epstein
and Robert Maxwell.
1274
00:57:37,888 --> 00:57:41,023
In some ways, it's
where ghislaine is now
1275
00:57:41,025 --> 00:57:43,459
has something to do with the way
1276
00:57:43,461 --> 00:57:46,094
she was raised by her father.
1277
00:57:46,096 --> 00:57:50,999
And then the way she
was controlled willingly
1278
00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:54,837
by Jeffrey Epstein,
two very similar men.
1279
00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:58,106
The ordinary expectation
for somebody like ghislaine
1280
00:57:58,108 --> 00:58:00,943
would be what she told friends
1281
00:58:00,945 --> 00:58:03,178
she wanted to be,
to become somebody,
1282
00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,315
somebody of great
importance in the world.
1283
00:58:06,317 --> 00:58:09,485
I think the whole question
of chasing ghislaine
1284
00:58:09,487 --> 00:58:12,521
is how and where did she
1285
00:58:12,523 --> 00:58:15,157
allegedly make a wrong turn
1286
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:19,361
so that instead of
becoming this glorious,
1287
00:58:19,363 --> 00:58:22,030
relevant influencer
in the world,
1288
00:58:22,032 --> 00:58:24,700
she's now sitting in jail,
1289
00:58:24,702 --> 00:58:28,203
facing unspeakable charges
of helping Jeffrey Epstein
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with his sexual crimes.
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To be honest, it's still
something of a mystery.
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[Somber music playing]
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