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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,406 --> 00:00:07,106 [Dramatic music playing] 2 00:00:07,108 --> 00:00:09,742 [Woman] I think that the story of the women 3 00:00:09,744 --> 00:00:12,811 and Jeffrey Epstein is now known. 4 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:15,214 I think the world knows what a monster he was, 5 00:00:15,216 --> 00:00:17,716 and that story is out there. 6 00:00:17,718 --> 00:00:20,452 I think that the story of the men 7 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:22,988 is not known really at all. 8 00:00:22,990 --> 00:00:26,258 I'm trying to put the dots together 9 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:28,127 through my reporting 10 00:00:28,129 --> 00:00:31,196 to show that whatever happens to ghislaine Maxwell 11 00:00:31,198 --> 00:00:33,032 in her trial... 12 00:00:33,034 --> 00:00:35,200 That the network of guys 13 00:00:35,202 --> 00:00:38,270 who lifted up Jeffrey Epstein 14 00:00:38,272 --> 00:00:40,939 and enabled these alleged sex crimes, 15 00:00:40,941 --> 00:00:42,174 that endures. 16 00:00:44,345 --> 00:00:48,447 [Dramatic music playing] 17 00:00:51,419 --> 00:00:54,553 [Intense music playing] 18 00:01:19,914 --> 00:01:22,681 [Vicky] In the three years after my vanity fair article 19 00:01:22,683 --> 00:01:25,084 about Jeffrey Epstein ran, 20 00:01:25,086 --> 00:01:28,220 no one publicly talked about the sexual assault 21 00:01:28,222 --> 00:01:30,422 allegations against him. 22 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:32,191 I stayed away from him, 23 00:01:32,193 --> 00:01:33,459 and as it turned out, 24 00:01:33,461 --> 00:01:34,927 so did ghislaine, 25 00:01:34,929 --> 00:01:37,629 who began to move in her own circles. 26 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:42,901 And then, in the summer of 2006, 27 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:44,903 everything changed for Jeffrey. 28 00:01:44,905 --> 00:01:47,005 [Reporter] Jeffrey Epstein was investigated 29 00:01:47,007 --> 00:01:49,074 by the palm beach police for months. 30 00:01:49,076 --> 00:01:50,809 The police conclusion, 31 00:01:50,811 --> 00:01:52,211 Epstein's palm beach mansion 32 00:01:52,213 --> 00:01:54,079 was a revolving door for women, 33 00:01:54,081 --> 00:01:56,682 and in some cases, girls as young as 16. 34 00:01:56,684 --> 00:01:58,851 Jeffrey Epstein was arrested 35 00:01:58,853 --> 00:02:00,385 in palm beach, 36 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:02,187 but on state charges. 37 00:02:03,057 --> 00:02:05,057 Solicitation of a prostitute 38 00:02:05,059 --> 00:02:07,126 but also solicitation of a minor. 39 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:12,264 What the world at large 40 00:02:12,266 --> 00:02:15,134 had no idea of was that there was 41 00:02:15,136 --> 00:02:17,402 a federal investigation 42 00:02:17,404 --> 00:02:22,341 involving dozens of underage girls, 43 00:02:22,343 --> 00:02:26,245 and that the FBI was investigating 44 00:02:26,247 --> 00:02:31,950 what was a massive sex trafficking operation. 45 00:02:31,952 --> 00:02:36,155 The FBI would speak to between 30 and 40 victims, 46 00:02:36,157 --> 00:02:38,323 and federal prosecutors assembled 47 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:41,059 a 53-page indictment. 48 00:02:41,061 --> 00:02:43,629 Jeffrey hired me along with a group 49 00:02:43,631 --> 00:02:45,564 of other very prominent lawyers 50 00:02:45,566 --> 00:02:47,933 to help negotiate a deal 51 00:02:47,935 --> 00:02:49,501 with the us attorney's office. 52 00:02:50,538 --> 00:02:52,337 [Vicky] In addition to Alan Dershowitz, 53 00:02:52,339 --> 00:02:54,373 the team of "super lawyers" 54 00:02:54,375 --> 00:02:57,809 included former ambassador Jay lefkowitz, 55 00:02:57,811 --> 00:03:00,045 and Kenneth starr, the prosecutor 56 00:03:00,047 --> 00:03:02,681 in Bill Clinton's impeachment. 57 00:03:02,683 --> 00:03:05,317 They ended up making a deal 58 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:07,319 with Alexander acosta, 59 00:03:07,321 --> 00:03:10,889 who is in the us attorney down in Florida. 60 00:03:10,891 --> 00:03:12,324 We took the position 61 00:03:12,326 --> 00:03:14,693 that they did not have a strong federal case, 62 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:16,595 because for a federal case, 63 00:03:16,597 --> 00:03:20,165 you need to transport young women into state commerce. 64 00:03:20,167 --> 00:03:23,335 They just didn't really have that case and therefore, 65 00:03:23,337 --> 00:03:25,470 the best resolution would be to have him plea 66 00:03:25,472 --> 00:03:28,106 to what they had a strong case on, a state case. 67 00:03:28,108 --> 00:03:30,275 [Reporter] He pleaded guilty in open court. 68 00:03:30,277 --> 00:03:32,044 He agreed to serve a total of 18 months 69 00:03:32,046 --> 00:03:34,146 in the palm beach detentions facility. 70 00:03:34,148 --> 00:03:37,082 The guilty plea and deal and a years' long process 71 00:03:37,084 --> 00:03:40,552 that could have sent Epstein to jail for 15 years. 72 00:03:40,554 --> 00:03:41,887 [Intense music playing] 73 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:43,422 [Vicky] It was shocking. 74 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:46,992 Epstein didn't just get a short sentence... 75 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:48,694 His lawyers negotiated 76 00:03:48,696 --> 00:03:50,929 a non-prosecution agreement for him, 77 00:03:50,931 --> 00:03:52,931 and for four women who worked 78 00:03:52,933 --> 00:03:54,800 at his palm beach compound. 79 00:03:54,802 --> 00:03:57,135 This meant that none of them could be charged 80 00:03:57,137 --> 00:04:00,272 of these crimes involving Epstein in the future. 81 00:04:01,642 --> 00:04:05,077 One Epstein associate was not on the list, 82 00:04:05,079 --> 00:04:07,079 ghislaine Maxwell. 83 00:04:07,081 --> 00:04:08,480 But why do you think Jeffrey Epstein 84 00:04:08,482 --> 00:04:09,948 didn't have her name 85 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:12,050 in the non-prosecution agreement? 86 00:04:12,052 --> 00:04:14,720 She was not directly involved, 87 00:04:14,722 --> 00:04:16,188 insofar as we are aware 88 00:04:16,190 --> 00:04:18,490 in the sex trafficking at the time he was arrested. 89 00:04:18,492 --> 00:04:20,525 [Dramatic music playing] 90 00:04:22,396 --> 00:04:23,595 [Christopher] I was reading about it 91 00:04:23,597 --> 00:04:25,230 in the New York post. 92 00:04:26,233 --> 00:04:28,433 And I just thought, 93 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:30,936 "wow. That creep." 94 00:04:31,905 --> 00:04:34,039 You know, that's the guy I met through... 95 00:04:34,975 --> 00:04:35,975 Ghislaine. 96 00:04:37,845 --> 00:04:39,478 But it was so clear by that point 97 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,046 that she had moved on. 98 00:04:43,317 --> 00:04:46,885 Even after Epstein, 99 00:04:46,887 --> 00:04:48,954 you know, spectacularly fell from grace 100 00:04:48,956 --> 00:04:52,024 and went to jail in the beginning, 101 00:04:52,026 --> 00:04:55,794 I still didn't think... 102 00:04:55,796 --> 00:04:57,696 Ghislaine was a terrible person. 103 00:04:57,698 --> 00:05:01,166 I think she was clearly tarnished and implicated 104 00:05:01,168 --> 00:05:04,369 by her relationship with Epstein. 105 00:05:06,073 --> 00:05:07,973 But I just remember thinking, 106 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:11,076 "well, I would give ghislaine the benefit of the doubt." 107 00:05:14,081 --> 00:05:15,380 [Vicky] In palm beach, 108 00:05:15,382 --> 00:05:17,316 Jeffrey would end up serving only 109 00:05:17,318 --> 00:05:20,452 13 months in a local jail. 110 00:05:20,454 --> 00:05:22,421 And he was released six days a week 111 00:05:22,423 --> 00:05:24,523 to go to his office. 112 00:05:24,525 --> 00:05:26,758 Was it just his high-priced lawyers 113 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,994 who made all of this possible? 114 00:05:28,996 --> 00:05:31,897 Or did he use other types of influence? 115 00:05:31,899 --> 00:05:34,132 I spoke with a new source about this, 116 00:05:34,134 --> 00:05:35,634 Felix sater, 117 00:05:35,636 --> 00:05:37,469 a real estate developer who's perhaps 118 00:05:37,471 --> 00:05:40,906 best-known for his ties to the trump organization, 119 00:05:40,908 --> 00:05:42,974 and his attempt to broker a deal 120 00:05:42,976 --> 00:05:44,676 for a trump tower in Moscow. 121 00:05:45,913 --> 00:05:48,146 Sater cooperated with the government 122 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:50,349 for more than a decade after he was caught 123 00:05:50,351 --> 00:05:54,086 in the late 1990s on a racketeering charge. 124 00:05:55,255 --> 00:05:56,722 He is somebody 125 00:05:56,724 --> 00:06:00,425 who I thought might be able to make sense 126 00:06:00,427 --> 00:06:03,261 of this sort of underworld. 127 00:06:03,263 --> 00:06:05,130 Recording started. 128 00:06:05,132 --> 00:06:06,431 From everything that I see, 129 00:06:06,433 --> 00:06:08,433 it is my belief that he was probably 130 00:06:08,435 --> 00:06:12,104 a very long-term cooperator of the us government. 131 00:06:12,106 --> 00:06:13,739 [Vicky] In Felix's opinion, 132 00:06:13,741 --> 00:06:15,941 this arrangement could go back as far as 133 00:06:15,943 --> 00:06:19,845 the tower's financial case in the early 1990s. 134 00:06:19,847 --> 00:06:23,281 You would say that his work as a cooperator 135 00:06:23,283 --> 00:06:25,484 was so important to the government 136 00:06:25,486 --> 00:06:27,719 that they gave him a lenient sentence? 137 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:29,388 He could have maintained that relationship 138 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:31,490 with the government for decades. 139 00:06:31,492 --> 00:06:34,025 And, yes, if things... Push comes to shove 140 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:37,729 and he was involved in something, they may... 141 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:41,700 They may go easier on him because of the greater good. 142 00:06:41,702 --> 00:06:45,070 Well, it's hard to argue that's a greater good, Felix, 143 00:06:45,072 --> 00:06:47,973 when you've got underage women 144 00:06:47,975 --> 00:06:50,709 in astonishingly large numbers 145 00:06:50,711 --> 00:06:53,545 being sexually assaulted. 146 00:06:53,547 --> 00:06:56,415 We don't know what information he was providing. 147 00:06:56,417 --> 00:06:58,116 That doesn't take away from the fact 148 00:06:58,118 --> 00:07:01,319 that he was just a complete piece of scum. 149 00:07:01,321 --> 00:07:02,821 - Well, obviously... - That said, 150 00:07:02,823 --> 00:07:06,124 the government does not get their best information 151 00:07:06,126 --> 00:07:09,194 from honest dentists in Manhattan. 152 00:07:09,196 --> 00:07:12,464 They get their information about bad guys from bad guys. 153 00:07:14,168 --> 00:07:15,500 [Vicky] While Jeffrey navigated 154 00:07:15,502 --> 00:07:18,503 the lows of plea deals and jail time, 155 00:07:18,505 --> 00:07:21,039 ghislaine was riding high. 156 00:07:21,041 --> 00:07:23,542 I remember being at a cocktail party 157 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:25,710 and running into ghislaine, 158 00:07:25,712 --> 00:07:27,179 and her hugging me, 159 00:07:27,181 --> 00:07:29,948 I haven't seen her for a while, and... 160 00:07:31,185 --> 00:07:32,551 Trailing behind her, she said, 161 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:34,019 "I want you to meet Ted." 162 00:07:35,355 --> 00:07:37,556 [Vicky] Ted waitt is... 163 00:07:37,558 --> 00:07:39,491 A self-made billionaire. 164 00:07:39,493 --> 00:07:41,760 He was the ceo and founder 165 00:07:41,762 --> 00:07:45,397 of a technology company, gateway. 166 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:50,068 They met on a trip with Bill Clinton to Beijing. 167 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:52,037 [Christopher] She managed to slip into the conversation 168 00:07:52,039 --> 00:07:54,206 that he had the most incredible yacht. 169 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:56,808 Which is the kind of detail that... 170 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:58,410 - [Vicky] Yes. - Ghislaine never failed 171 00:07:58,412 --> 00:08:00,712 to telegraph just so you know 172 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:02,948 that she wasn't wasting her time. 173 00:08:02,950 --> 00:08:05,350 It was the first inkling I got that, 174 00:08:05,352 --> 00:08:08,353 "god, ghislaine has clearly moved on. 175 00:08:08,355 --> 00:08:10,288 She's found some guy she's crazy about, 176 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:12,090 and that she's having a very exciting life 177 00:08:12,092 --> 00:08:14,226 with this guy, and Epstein 178 00:08:14,228 --> 00:08:16,294 seemed to be totally out of the picture." 179 00:08:17,798 --> 00:08:19,998 [Vicky] I ran into ghislaine, 180 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,200 which was not something I had been 181 00:08:22,202 --> 00:08:26,938 wanting to do or seeking out, but I did bump into her. 182 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:30,442 Ted waitt's presence actually made 183 00:08:30,444 --> 00:08:33,044 this meeting between ghislaine and I 184 00:08:33,046 --> 00:08:36,081 probably far less awkward 185 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:38,416 than it otherwise would have been. 186 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,420 It was almost like, Jeffrey who? 187 00:08:42,422 --> 00:08:44,256 I mean, just... 188 00:08:44,258 --> 00:08:47,259 It just seemed different worlds away. 189 00:08:47,261 --> 00:08:48,927 That period of her life, 190 00:08:48,929 --> 00:08:50,929 both she and Ted waitt, 191 00:08:50,931 --> 00:08:52,464 were very involved with... 192 00:08:52,466 --> 00:08:54,933 Bill Clinton, the Clinton foundation, 193 00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:56,968 cgi, Clinton global initiative. 194 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:59,571 I mean, do you remember her talking 195 00:08:59,573 --> 00:09:01,373 a lot about Bill Clinton? 196 00:09:02,276 --> 00:09:03,276 [Christopher] Yes. 197 00:09:04,344 --> 00:09:05,744 Cleverly, she managed to... 198 00:09:07,281 --> 00:09:10,882 Slip the name Bill Clinton into most conversations. 199 00:09:10,884 --> 00:09:14,019 So it was a kind of reminder as ever... 200 00:09:14,021 --> 00:09:15,387 - [Vicky] Yes. - Of ghislaine, 201 00:09:15,389 --> 00:09:18,023 that she's hanging out with 202 00:09:18,025 --> 00:09:20,158 world leaders, the [indistinct] of industry, 203 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,459 and this was kind of... 204 00:09:21,461 --> 00:09:23,562 For her, this was kind of normal. 205 00:09:24,998 --> 00:09:26,831 [Vicky] I had not appreciated 206 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:29,434 just how important sort of Clinton world 207 00:09:29,436 --> 00:09:31,803 was in raising ghislaine up, 208 00:09:31,805 --> 00:09:34,072 but it was... It was hugely important. 209 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:38,910 Because ghislaine originally had been known 210 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:41,780 as the access to Jeffrey's money, 211 00:09:41,782 --> 00:09:45,016 she was courted in her own right. 212 00:09:45,953 --> 00:09:48,820 Ghislaine even snagged a prime aisle seat 213 00:09:48,822 --> 00:09:51,156 at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. 214 00:09:51,158 --> 00:09:54,459 You can see her in one of the official photos. 215 00:09:54,461 --> 00:09:58,229 This did put ghislaine into... 216 00:09:58,231 --> 00:10:00,098 The sort of world that, you know, 217 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,100 if you go way, way back, 218 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:05,904 she aspired to be in her 20s, you know, 219 00:10:05,906 --> 00:10:08,340 she was sought after in her own right 220 00:10:08,342 --> 00:10:12,043 as a person of substance, and of a person of importance. 221 00:10:16,216 --> 00:10:19,351 So she invited me over to her house, and... 222 00:10:19,353 --> 00:10:20,485 Whoa. 223 00:10:21,355 --> 00:10:26,992 Wow, this is a gigantic house, and it was clearly hers, 224 00:10:26,994 --> 00:10:30,762 didn't seem to be anything to do with her boyfriend, 225 00:10:30,764 --> 00:10:32,998 it was ghislaine's house. 226 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,235 And ghislaine was talking with great passion 227 00:10:37,237 --> 00:10:39,504 about the thing that really motivated her, 228 00:10:39,506 --> 00:10:42,374 and it was saving the world's oceans. 229 00:10:42,376 --> 00:10:43,942 [Ghislaine] One of my first dives, 230 00:10:43,944 --> 00:10:44,943 when I went down, 231 00:10:44,945 --> 00:10:45,944 I switched on the lights 232 00:10:45,946 --> 00:10:47,045 at the bottom of the ocean 233 00:10:47,047 --> 00:10:48,813 and saw a plastic hanger. 234 00:10:48,815 --> 00:10:51,483 It was in that moment actually that I decided 235 00:10:51,485 --> 00:10:53,985 that I really wanted to focus 236 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:56,421 my attention on the ocean. 237 00:10:56,423 --> 00:10:58,023 So you thought it was authentic? 238 00:10:59,059 --> 00:11:00,358 I did. 239 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,427 And it just... I mean, at the time, I did. 240 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:04,396 She was so passionate about it. 241 00:11:04,398 --> 00:11:06,097 And I remember thinking, 242 00:11:06,099 --> 00:11:08,099 "well, this is a whole lot more interesting 243 00:11:08,101 --> 00:11:13,104 than being the gal Friday of a creepy guy." 244 00:11:13,106 --> 00:11:14,272 [Vicky] But ghislaine would never 245 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:16,274 be able to fully shake the stigma 246 00:11:16,276 --> 00:11:18,977 of her connection to Jeffrey Epstein. 247 00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:24,315 Well, a palm beach billionaire is getting 248 00:11:24,317 --> 00:11:27,318 his first taste of freedom in over a year. 249 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,920 [Reporter] The black sedan sped away 250 00:11:28,922 --> 00:11:30,288 from the county jail, 251 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:31,923 its occupant, registered sex offender 252 00:11:31,925 --> 00:11:34,392 and billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein. 253 00:11:34,394 --> 00:11:36,294 He's been really happy that his jail sentence is over, 254 00:11:36,296 --> 00:11:39,330 and he can begin a new chapter in his life. 255 00:11:39,332 --> 00:11:42,233 [Woman] You'd think that when he emerged from jail, 256 00:11:42,235 --> 00:11:44,502 Jeffrey would have been a social pariah, 257 00:11:44,504 --> 00:11:47,372 but it seems that money talks. 258 00:11:47,374 --> 00:11:49,340 While ghislaine traveled the world 259 00:11:49,342 --> 00:11:51,710 on high-profile missions, 260 00:11:51,712 --> 00:11:55,680 Jeffrey found a different way to pedal his influence. 261 00:11:55,682 --> 00:11:58,950 Once Jeffrey got out of jail, 262 00:11:58,952 --> 00:12:02,187 he turned his homes into salons 263 00:12:02,189 --> 00:12:06,357 for the rich and powerful and famous, 264 00:12:06,359 --> 00:12:07,559 all in the guise 265 00:12:07,561 --> 00:12:10,962 of Jeffrey the great philanthropist, 266 00:12:10,964 --> 00:12:13,264 this was his new image. 267 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:14,332 And it worked. 268 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:15,533 He really did have 269 00:12:15,535 --> 00:12:17,502 the crown prince of Saudi Arabia 270 00:12:17,504 --> 00:12:19,437 and Bill Gates. 271 00:12:19,439 --> 00:12:21,306 And according to Kira dikhtyar, 272 00:12:21,308 --> 00:12:24,175 the Russian model who was friendly with him, 273 00:12:24,177 --> 00:12:26,111 he went out with Elon Musk 274 00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:27,645 and Jeff bezos. 275 00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:31,549 Did these powerful men seem to really like him? 276 00:12:39,726 --> 00:12:44,195 [Kira speaking] 277 00:12:57,210 --> 00:12:59,444 [Vicky] Kira was a friend of Jeffrey's, 278 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,679 but she also says that he paid her 279 00:13:01,681 --> 00:13:04,949 and other women $1,000 each 280 00:13:04,951 --> 00:13:08,419 to sit around his house to impress clients. 281 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:17,428 [Kira speaking] 282 00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:32,343 [Vicky] Journalist ed Epstein 283 00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:36,214 hadn't seen Jeffrey since the late 1980s, 284 00:13:36,216 --> 00:13:38,316 but he was curious when Jeffrey invited 285 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:41,352 him over in 2013. 286 00:13:41,354 --> 00:13:42,453 [Ed] We had tea. 287 00:13:42,455 --> 00:13:44,022 Someone knocked on the door and said, 288 00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:45,890 "Leon's here." 289 00:13:45,892 --> 00:13:47,959 And he said he can wait, 290 00:13:47,961 --> 00:13:49,694 and when I left, 291 00:13:49,696 --> 00:13:51,429 Jeffrey walked me to the door and said, 292 00:13:51,431 --> 00:13:53,097 "you know Leon, don't you?" 293 00:13:53,099 --> 00:13:54,899 Well, I didn't know Leon black. 294 00:13:54,968 --> 00:13:56,267 I heard of him. 295 00:13:56,269 --> 00:13:58,770 I mean, Leon black was one of the most 296 00:13:58,772 --> 00:14:00,972 famous and wealthiest, 297 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:04,409 powerful financiers with his Apollo group. 298 00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:06,377 Well, I thought, well, if he's there, 299 00:14:06,379 --> 00:14:08,379 well maybe, Jeffrey has redeemed himself 300 00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:10,215 in some way. 301 00:14:10,217 --> 00:14:12,884 Or changed this behavior or something like that. 302 00:14:12,886 --> 00:14:14,152 I mean, you know... 303 00:14:14,154 --> 00:14:17,922 [Vicky] It's really quite remarkable. 304 00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:19,224 I spoke to one source, he said, 305 00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:20,525 "do you know, this was all 306 00:14:20,527 --> 00:14:22,961 a very brazen effort 307 00:14:22,963 --> 00:14:27,899 to erase his track record, 308 00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:32,237 the fact that he was now a convicted sex offender." 309 00:14:32,239 --> 00:14:35,974 A large part of his efforts was spent 310 00:14:35,976 --> 00:14:37,809 to trying to create 311 00:14:37,811 --> 00:14:40,345 a new reputation for himself, 312 00:14:40,347 --> 00:14:42,614 not by rehabilitating himself 313 00:14:42,616 --> 00:14:44,415 like doing charity work or anything, 314 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:46,384 but he wanted people to somehow think 315 00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:48,086 that his conviction... 316 00:14:48,989 --> 00:14:50,555 Was false. 317 00:14:52,425 --> 00:14:54,259 [Vicky] To be clear, none of the people 318 00:14:54,261 --> 00:14:55,994 who spent time with Jeffrey 319 00:14:55,996 --> 00:14:58,730 have been accused of any wrongdoing. 320 00:14:58,732 --> 00:15:00,865 It seems he used these high-powered 321 00:15:00,867 --> 00:15:03,301 individuals to attract others. 322 00:15:03,303 --> 00:15:06,237 Someone described him pretty well, 323 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:08,273 that he came to Jeffrey's house, 324 00:15:08,275 --> 00:15:12,277 and he saw all these famous people there like Bill Clinton 325 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:17,015 or Larry summers who was the secretary of treasury. 326 00:15:17,017 --> 00:15:18,917 And then he thinks, well, my god, 327 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:22,854 all these people at his salon, they all hang out here. 328 00:15:22,856 --> 00:15:26,224 Somehow they must have all vetted Jeffrey Epstein 329 00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:29,127 and if they all found that Jeffrey Epstein 330 00:15:29,129 --> 00:15:32,397 was respectable, who is he to... 331 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:33,399 To quibble. 332 00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:39,103 Jeffrey understood how power really works. 333 00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:41,372 He understood 334 00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:43,708 that power is... 335 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:47,078 10 people, men, 336 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,049 in a room making decisions that nobody else can see. 337 00:15:51,051 --> 00:15:53,718 He understood how to use 338 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,688 money to influence people, 339 00:15:56,690 --> 00:15:59,991 but he also understood how to read people, 340 00:15:59,993 --> 00:16:04,729 so that he could manipulate his way 341 00:16:04,731 --> 00:16:06,664 into their orbit. 342 00:16:06,666 --> 00:16:11,269 And he could use them to his own advantage. 343 00:16:13,073 --> 00:16:17,475 Bill Gates began attending these salons in 2011. 344 00:16:18,878 --> 00:16:21,112 A spokesperson for the gates foundation 345 00:16:21,114 --> 00:16:23,314 says that many people told gates 346 00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:26,317 Jeffrey was somebody who could help the foundation. 347 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:28,920 But there are questions 348 00:16:28,922 --> 00:16:31,122 about the death of their friendship. 349 00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:34,092 Sources say that gates flew on Jeffrey's plane 350 00:16:34,094 --> 00:16:37,595 at least once and visited his home many times. 351 00:16:38,465 --> 00:16:39,964 And there are rumors 352 00:16:39,966 --> 00:16:42,934 that gates' divorced from his wife, Melinda, 353 00:16:42,936 --> 00:16:46,270 is in some part connected to these visits. 354 00:16:46,272 --> 00:16:47,839 [Reporter] According to documents obtained 355 00:16:47,841 --> 00:16:49,974 by the journal, Melinda and her advisors 356 00:16:49,976 --> 00:16:51,809 held the number of calls with divorce lawyers 357 00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:53,878 in October 2019, 358 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,381 the same month the New York times first reported 359 00:16:56,383 --> 00:16:59,884 that bill met with Epstein on numerous occasions. 360 00:16:59,886 --> 00:17:03,788 [Vicky] In 2019, gates was quoted as saying, 361 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,491 "I thought those discussions would lead literally 362 00:17:06,493 --> 00:17:09,927 to billions of dollars going to global health. 363 00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:12,897 Turned out that was a bad judgment." 364 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:14,699 He also admits, 365 00:17:14,701 --> 00:17:18,136 [Vicky speaking] 366 00:17:21,007 --> 00:17:24,042 While Jeffrey was attracting new associates, 367 00:17:24,044 --> 00:17:27,412 some of his longer relationships had ended. 368 00:17:27,414 --> 00:17:29,514 His patron Leslie wexner 369 00:17:29,516 --> 00:17:32,683 severed ties while Jeffrey was in jail. 370 00:17:32,685 --> 00:17:34,352 Being taken advantage of 371 00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:38,523 by someone who was so sick, 372 00:17:38,525 --> 00:17:40,124 so cunning, 373 00:17:40,126 --> 00:17:41,659 so depraved... 374 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,329 Is something that I'm embarrassed 375 00:17:45,331 --> 00:17:47,131 that I was even close to. 376 00:17:47,133 --> 00:17:51,702 [Vicky] The most public break came in 2011. 377 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:53,004 Prince Andrew went out 378 00:17:53,006 --> 00:17:55,506 to stay with Jeffrey Epstein in New York City. 379 00:17:55,508 --> 00:17:56,507 They went on for a walk together. 380 00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:57,842 They went to central park 381 00:17:57,844 --> 00:18:00,011 and pictures taken of the two of them 382 00:18:00,013 --> 00:18:02,547 where then published in February 2011. 383 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:05,083 And that was the first point that prince Andrew 384 00:18:05,085 --> 00:18:06,250 was already drawn heavily 385 00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:07,985 into the Jeffrey Epstein story. 386 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:09,520 He was obviously criticized for maintaining 387 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:11,422 this friendship with the man who was a... 388 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,791 At that point, a convicted pedophile. 389 00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:15,259 [Vicky] It then came out 390 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:17,095 that Epstein has recently paid 391 00:18:17,097 --> 00:18:19,630 a $24,000 debt 392 00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:23,267 for Andrew's ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson. 393 00:18:23,269 --> 00:18:25,870 The public uproar about that meant 394 00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:29,140 that the Duke of York and his ex-wife 395 00:18:29,142 --> 00:18:32,743 absolutely distanced themselves from Jeffrey. 396 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,113 But other friends 397 00:18:35,115 --> 00:18:37,281 like former Israeli prime minister 398 00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:39,817 ehud barak was still around. 399 00:18:39,819 --> 00:18:41,986 In 2015, 400 00:18:41,988 --> 00:18:45,790 barak and Epstein formed an investment group together, 401 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,493 registered in the Virgin Islands. 402 00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:50,128 That's where Jeffrey established 403 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:51,395 his holding company 404 00:18:51,397 --> 00:18:55,266 and his foundations after 2012. 405 00:18:55,268 --> 00:18:58,302 National security analyst, Vanessa neumann, 406 00:18:58,304 --> 00:19:00,872 tells me that perhaps it should have set off 407 00:19:00,874 --> 00:19:04,041 alarm bells with the clients he was courting. 408 00:19:04,043 --> 00:19:05,710 What they're selling 409 00:19:05,712 --> 00:19:08,079 is banking secrecy. 410 00:19:08,081 --> 00:19:09,447 Shell companies... 411 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:14,485 You know, trusts that can't be... that can't be tracked 412 00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:17,855 and that would make perfect sense for someone like him. 413 00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:18,956 [Vicky] In other words, 414 00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:20,725 it's a good place to engineer 415 00:19:20,727 --> 00:19:24,028 the invisible deals that Jeffrey specialized in. 416 00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:26,998 And according to my sources, 417 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,468 he was offering his services to new networks. 418 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:32,370 Jeffrey told ed Epstein 419 00:19:32,372 --> 00:19:36,007 that he was investing for certain African dictators 420 00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:37,375 and that he was also working 421 00:19:37,377 --> 00:19:38,876 with Mohammed bin salman, 422 00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:40,811 the Saudi crowned prince, 423 00:19:40,813 --> 00:19:44,448 and Mohamed bin zayed, the controller of Abu Dhabi. 424 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,984 And he said that he had a lot of influence 425 00:19:46,986 --> 00:19:48,352 with the person who controlled 426 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:50,154 the port of Djibouti, 427 00:19:50,156 --> 00:19:53,357 a very important strategic port. 428 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,259 What's interesting... 429 00:19:55,261 --> 00:19:59,030 Is this puts you right back into the world 430 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:02,300 that Jeffrey was immersed in in the 1980s, 431 00:20:02,302 --> 00:20:05,236 it's the work of bounty hunting, 432 00:20:05,238 --> 00:20:08,105 of moving money into offshore accounts. 433 00:20:08,107 --> 00:20:10,174 It's the world of doing 434 00:20:10,176 --> 00:20:12,543 international transactions in the shadows, 435 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:15,880 that's what Jeffrey knew had to do. 436 00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:18,115 In national security circles, 437 00:20:18,117 --> 00:20:21,185 there's a name for somebody like Jeffrey. 438 00:20:21,187 --> 00:20:22,853 He is what we would call 439 00:20:22,855 --> 00:20:24,121 a "hyper connector." 440 00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:24,989 - Right? - Yes. 441 00:20:24,991 --> 00:20:26,157 Because he is not only 442 00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:27,258 very deeply connected 443 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:29,894 in one network, right? 444 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,896 He connects different networks. 445 00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:33,831 It's not just like he was 446 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:36,834 the American Jewish business network, 447 00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:38,269 he also had the middle east 448 00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:41,472 and he could link banking to royalty, 449 00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:43,241 et cetera and he could move back and forth 450 00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:44,809 through those groups. 451 00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:47,111 [Vicky] Neumann says that those connections 452 00:20:47,113 --> 00:20:48,946 could have benefited Jeffrey. 453 00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:50,481 When you have that kind of 454 00:20:50,483 --> 00:20:53,884 reach and that kind of connectivity, 455 00:20:53,886 --> 00:20:55,686 you have a lot of people 456 00:20:55,688 --> 00:20:57,855 who have a vested interest in protecting you. 457 00:20:57,857 --> 00:21:00,658 [Intense music playing] 458 00:21:02,095 --> 00:21:03,861 [Vicky] According to Kira dikhtyar, 459 00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:07,131 Jeffrey also took action to protect himself. 460 00:21:09,102 --> 00:21:11,569 It is your distinct impression 461 00:21:11,571 --> 00:21:14,572 that after Jeffrey got out of jail, 462 00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:18,576 he made very sure that no... 463 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:21,979 None of the women around him were underage, 464 00:21:21,981 --> 00:21:23,281 is that... 465 00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:24,882 And how do you know that? 466 00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:27,285 [Kira speaking] 467 00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:33,958 - [Vicky] Really? - [Kira speaking] 468 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,901 Given that he did seem to spend 469 00:21:43,903 --> 00:21:46,570 the 10 years after he got out of jail, 470 00:21:46,572 --> 00:21:50,007 intent on rehabilitating his image, 471 00:21:50,009 --> 00:21:52,943 it seems highly likely 472 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:57,748 that he did have somebody checking ID's at the door. 473 00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:59,517 Now, whether or not 474 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:05,356 this was yet another great Jeffrey Epstein facade 475 00:22:05,358 --> 00:22:07,591 that completely belige reality, 476 00:22:08,528 --> 00:22:10,561 your guess is as good as mine. 477 00:22:15,301 --> 00:22:18,302 [Vicky] Despite Jeffrey's attempt to escape his past, 478 00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:20,037 in 2011, 479 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:22,540 a lurid tail of his sex trafficking 480 00:22:22,542 --> 00:22:25,843 hit the news when a never-before-seen photograph 481 00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:27,511 was published. 482 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:29,880 It would be the beginning of the end 483 00:22:29,882 --> 00:22:31,682 for both him and ghislaine. 484 00:22:32,785 --> 00:22:35,953 The photograph of Virginia Roberts 485 00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:38,522 with prince Andrew, prince Andrew's arm 486 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,458 around her midriff, 487 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:42,993 ghislaine Maxwell smiling, 488 00:22:42,995 --> 00:22:45,363 sort of smugly in the background, 489 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:47,798 put the story of their past 490 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,068 right, front, and center 491 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:54,338 in the public's consciousness around the world. 492 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:56,140 [Reporter] It's a sordid business and no small 493 00:22:56,142 --> 00:22:58,075 embarrassment for the British royal family. 494 00:22:58,077 --> 00:22:59,377 [Reporter] Prince Andrew is responding 495 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:01,212 to claim made Virginia Roberts. 496 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:04,148 [Vicky] As the media uproar played out, 497 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:06,584 I decided to write a blog about Jeffrey 498 00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:08,519 and ghislaine for vanity fair. 499 00:23:08,521 --> 00:23:09,854 I included the fact 500 00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:11,355 that I knew about the farmers' 501 00:23:11,357 --> 00:23:15,059 sexual assault allegations in 2002, 502 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:17,228 but we haven't published them. 503 00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:20,331 Somebody changed it quite dramatically 504 00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:25,136 so that it ended up reading like a puff piece. 505 00:23:25,138 --> 00:23:28,506 My lines about the farmers were taken out 506 00:23:28,508 --> 00:23:30,374 and the language got changed. 507 00:23:30,376 --> 00:23:32,610 [Ominous music playing] 508 00:23:44,323 --> 00:23:46,690 It read that I 509 00:23:46,692 --> 00:23:49,960 hadn't believed the farmers, which was absolutely not true 510 00:23:49,962 --> 00:23:54,231 and it got posted without me seeing the changes, 511 00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,001 which was incredibly upsetting. 512 00:23:57,003 --> 00:24:01,105 I thought I'm never going to be able to get 513 00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:04,108 the farmers and their allegations 514 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:06,944 into vanity fair magazine and... 515 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:08,446 I just gave up. 516 00:24:10,349 --> 00:24:12,283 The Virginia Roberts photograph 517 00:24:12,285 --> 00:24:13,851 put a swift end 518 00:24:13,853 --> 00:24:17,521 to ghislaine's new life away from Jeffrey. 519 00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:19,290 The team around Bill Clinton 520 00:24:19,292 --> 00:24:21,325 and the Clinton global initiative 521 00:24:21,327 --> 00:24:24,762 decided that ghislaine was no longer 522 00:24:24,764 --> 00:24:27,431 to be invited to Clinton events. 523 00:24:28,534 --> 00:24:31,502 She and Ted waitt broke up that same year. 524 00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:34,271 Several months later, I ran into ghislaine 525 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,841 and she invited me to lunch, 526 00:24:36,843 --> 00:24:39,009 I think she wanted to sell me on a story 527 00:24:39,011 --> 00:24:40,444 about saving the oceans. 528 00:24:41,414 --> 00:24:43,881 I also think she was lonely. 529 00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:48,452 She talked about how sad she was 530 00:24:48,454 --> 00:24:50,488 that she had broken up with Ted waitt. 531 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,656 It was almost like she'd been left behind. 532 00:24:54,227 --> 00:24:55,493 Good afternoon. 533 00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,461 [Vicky] After that loss, she once again 534 00:24:57,463 --> 00:25:00,264 tried to separate herself from Jeffrey, 535 00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:02,500 starting her own non-profit called, 536 00:25:02,502 --> 00:25:03,734 "terramar". 537 00:25:03,736 --> 00:25:05,102 I'd bump into her occasion 538 00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:06,403 and she'd always be talking about 539 00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:08,105 a new charitable endeavor. 540 00:25:08,107 --> 00:25:09,707 It was like she was on a PR, 541 00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:12,343 - personal PR. - The ocean, the terramar? 542 00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:15,379 And you felt that that wasn't authentic? 543 00:25:15,381 --> 00:25:18,516 I thought it was odd and felt a bit forced. 544 00:25:18,518 --> 00:25:20,484 I didn't think she was faking it, 545 00:25:20,486 --> 00:25:22,353 but I thought it was PR campaign. 546 00:25:22,355 --> 00:25:24,355 Tell everybody how much you love the ocean. 547 00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:27,491 Love your planet for generations to come. 548 00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:30,961 [Vicky] For a while, the diversion seemed to work. 549 00:25:30,963 --> 00:25:32,696 She developed a Ted talk 550 00:25:32,698 --> 00:25:34,198 and spoken at the UN 551 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,766 about the plates of the oceans. 552 00:25:35,768 --> 00:25:38,702 I'm here representing civil society. 553 00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:40,971 [Vicky] And then the other shoe dropped 554 00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:43,507 at the end of 2014. 555 00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:47,211 Virginia Roberts giuffre joined a group 556 00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:50,481 of women suing Jeffrey in Florida. 557 00:25:50,483 --> 00:25:51,849 We need to get to the bottom 558 00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:54,051 on everybody who was involved with that, 559 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:55,819 starting with ghislaine Maxwell and... 560 00:25:55,821 --> 00:25:57,421 And that's when she's talking about 561 00:25:57,423 --> 00:25:59,323 being forced to have sex with prince Andrew 562 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:02,993 in the bathroom of ghislaine Maxwell's London townhouse. 563 00:26:02,995 --> 00:26:04,962 Anything that might have been implicit before 564 00:26:04,964 --> 00:26:07,298 was now written large in huge typeface 565 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,234 on the front pages of national newspapers. 566 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:12,002 [Reporter] In the filing, Roberts now claiming 567 00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:14,705 Epstein made her available for sex 568 00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:18,042 to politically connected and financially powerful people, 569 00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:19,376 one of them, the prince, 570 00:26:19,378 --> 00:26:21,111 the other, the prof, 571 00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:23,447 Harvard law professor, Alan Dershowitz. 572 00:26:23,449 --> 00:26:26,450 The story is completely and totally made up 573 00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:28,886 and believe me I remember everybody 574 00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:30,788 I've ever had sex with. 575 00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:32,289 [Vicky] Alan Dershowitz tells me 576 00:26:32,291 --> 00:26:35,192 that Jeffrey pressured him to settle with giuffre 577 00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:36,927 instead of fighting publicly. 578 00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:38,562 Well, Jeffrey called me and said, 579 00:26:38,564 --> 00:26:39,930 "don't litigate this thing. 580 00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,498 Just deny it. Be quiet. 581 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:42,900 We don't want lawsuits. 582 00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:44,201 We don't want testimony." 583 00:26:44,203 --> 00:26:46,270 He put enormous pressure on me 584 00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:48,038 to settle my cases 585 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,808 going so far as to offer to contribute 586 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:52,009 to the settlements. 587 00:26:52,011 --> 00:26:54,111 How much is the potential settlement 588 00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,880 did Jeffrey say he would pay for you? 589 00:26:56,882 --> 00:26:59,450 We never got into numbers because I refuse to 590 00:26:59,452 --> 00:27:01,085 even talk about it. 591 00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:04,288 If what Alan says is true, 592 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,824 are there other men walking around 593 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:09,426 who have made these kind of settlements 594 00:27:09,428 --> 00:27:10,995 who were in Jeffrey's network 595 00:27:10,997 --> 00:27:13,464 that we do not yet know about? 596 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,101 Dershowitz sued not only giuffre, 597 00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:18,535 but her lawyers, 598 00:27:18,537 --> 00:27:21,972 including the well-known litigator David boies. 599 00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,407 It's become a major battle 600 00:27:23,409 --> 00:27:26,043 between two high profile attorneys, 601 00:27:26,045 --> 00:27:28,979 a fight for their professional futures. 602 00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:32,282 I want Virginia giuffre to go to jail for perjury. 603 00:27:32,284 --> 00:27:35,886 She has victimized many, many people by her perjury. 604 00:27:35,888 --> 00:27:38,255 I want her lawyers to be investigated 605 00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,158 and disbarred if the evidence shows 606 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,961 that they suborned her perjury. 607 00:27:43,963 --> 00:27:46,430 Alan Dershowitz's wild claims 608 00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:48,332 are designed to serve on purpose 609 00:27:48,334 --> 00:27:50,534 and one purpose only 610 00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:53,871 and that is to try to distract attention 611 00:27:53,873 --> 00:27:56,073 from his own misconduct. 612 00:27:56,075 --> 00:27:57,975 The attacks he is made 613 00:27:57,977 --> 00:28:01,011 on the integrity, the character, 614 00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,814 the honesty of the young survivors 615 00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:06,817 of the Epstein-Maxwell sex-trafficking enterprise 616 00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,453 would be pathetic if they weren't so outrageous. 617 00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:12,923 That has been the way he defended Epstein. 618 00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:16,060 That is the way he's attempting to defend himself. 619 00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:21,932 [Vicky] David boies and other accusers' attorneys 620 00:28:21,934 --> 00:28:24,835 have played a key role in not only the civil suits, 621 00:28:24,837 --> 00:28:27,071 but the criminal cases. 622 00:28:27,073 --> 00:28:30,340 In 2015, after Virginia giuffre 623 00:28:30,342 --> 00:28:32,342 filed her allegations, 624 00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:35,813 ghislaine issued a statement calling her a liar. 625 00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:38,682 And boies then file a defamation suit 626 00:28:38,684 --> 00:28:41,719 against ghislaine on Virginia's behalf. 627 00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:46,023 That defamation suit where David boies 628 00:28:46,025 --> 00:28:50,227 ended up taking two of ghislaine's depositions 629 00:28:50,229 --> 00:28:54,098 is hugely important 630 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,700 in what happens subsequently both to Jeffrey 631 00:28:56,702 --> 00:28:59,002 and then to ghislaine. 632 00:28:59,004 --> 00:29:02,272 The depositions were very extensive 633 00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:03,974 when she refused to answer questions 634 00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:05,409 in the first deposition. 635 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,845 They went to the judge and got an order, 636 00:29:07,847 --> 00:29:10,347 required her to answer questions again 637 00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:11,715 in the second disposition. 638 00:29:11,717 --> 00:29:14,251 So we have a very extensive record. 639 00:29:15,721 --> 00:29:17,688 [Vicky] Ghislaine is now charged with perjuring 640 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:20,023 herself in those depositions. 641 00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:21,525 According to the indictment, 642 00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:23,560 ghislaine claimed that she hadn't known 643 00:29:23,562 --> 00:29:25,095 that there were underage girls 644 00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:27,564 in Epstein's house at any time, 645 00:29:27,566 --> 00:29:29,700 that to her knowledge, he didn't have sex 646 00:29:29,702 --> 00:29:31,969 with anybody other than her. 647 00:29:31,971 --> 00:29:33,137 And that she had never 648 00:29:33,139 --> 00:29:35,606 given anyone a massage. 649 00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:38,542 The defamation case had another side effect, 650 00:29:38,544 --> 00:29:41,879 it drove ghislaine back into Jeffrey's orbit. 651 00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:43,580 [David] Remember her defensive, 652 00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:46,083 Epstein was a defensive herself. 653 00:29:46,085 --> 00:29:48,719 And she and Epstein were cooperating 654 00:29:48,721 --> 00:29:51,688 in defending them... Themselves, plural. 655 00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:53,857 - [Vicky] Right. - And Epstein and she 656 00:29:53,859 --> 00:29:55,959 were working very closely together 657 00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:59,863 in terms of, for example, defending against the claims, 658 00:29:59,865 --> 00:30:02,332 bringing matters to the press, 659 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:04,635 all of the kind of PR stuff. 660 00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:07,437 Did you get the impression that he and ghislaine 661 00:30:07,439 --> 00:30:09,072 were back in touch? 662 00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:11,942 Yes, definitely. 663 00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:15,779 The lawsuit against her by Virginia Roberts 664 00:30:15,781 --> 00:30:17,447 threatened Jeffrey. 665 00:30:17,449 --> 00:30:20,551 They wound up in the same boat, uh, 666 00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:22,019 metaphorically speaking. 667 00:30:23,756 --> 00:30:27,257 [Vicky] In 2016 the defamation case was settled 668 00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:31,161 when ghislaine paid Virginia an undisclosed sum. 669 00:30:31,163 --> 00:30:33,397 At that point, ghislaine sold her townhouse 670 00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:35,933 and left New York. 671 00:30:35,935 --> 00:30:39,236 The Jeffrey Epstein story died down once again. 672 00:30:39,238 --> 00:30:41,705 Even the publication of the bestseller 673 00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:43,307 filthy rich, exposing many 674 00:30:43,309 --> 00:30:45,876 of his crimes down in palm beach, 675 00:30:45,878 --> 00:30:48,412 didn't keep it in the headlines. 676 00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:51,348 David boies kept trying to get a criminal case 677 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,017 reopened against Jeffrey. 678 00:30:54,019 --> 00:30:58,021 In 2016 and 2017, we were going to prosecutors, 679 00:30:58,023 --> 00:31:00,924 we were going to the media, we were going to anybody 680 00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:04,394 who would listen and trying to talk to them... 681 00:31:04,396 --> 00:31:06,129 - Right. - About the evidence. 682 00:31:06,131 --> 00:31:08,031 He thinks ghislaine should have taken 683 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:11,034 that opportunity to turn against Jeffrey. 684 00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:12,736 If I had been representing her, 685 00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:15,606 I would have told her to run, not walk, 686 00:31:15,608 --> 00:31:17,474 run to the us attorney's office 687 00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:19,543 and come clean. 688 00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:22,479 She could have given the prosecutors 689 00:31:22,481 --> 00:31:24,214 Epstein on a platter. 690 00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:25,949 And that would have been valuable. 691 00:31:25,951 --> 00:31:27,517 It's even conceivable to me 692 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,953 that if she had acted promptly, 693 00:31:29,955 --> 00:31:31,088 she could have done a deal 694 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:32,610 that would not have involved jail time. 695 00:31:34,293 --> 00:31:36,093 [Vicky] David boies has his own theory 696 00:31:36,095 --> 00:31:38,328 as to why that didn't happen. 697 00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:41,531 If you're gonna cooperate, the prosecution 698 00:31:41,533 --> 00:31:43,767 is going to require you 699 00:31:43,769 --> 00:31:45,435 to tell the complete truth. 700 00:31:45,437 --> 00:31:48,705 And if you leave anything out, it will avoid the... 701 00:31:48,707 --> 00:31:50,540 - Right. - Plea deal. 702 00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:53,977 So she would have had to really come clean 703 00:31:53,979 --> 00:31:55,679 about everything that she'd done. 704 00:31:55,681 --> 00:31:58,148 She still had social pretensions, 705 00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:00,117 she still, as they say, portrayed herself 706 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,320 as an environmentalist, she still spoke at programs, 707 00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,889 that all would have come to a screeching halt 708 00:32:05,891 --> 00:32:08,558 if she had admitted her role in the sex trafficking. 709 00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:16,266 [Vicky] There's no way to know why ghislaine 710 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:20,003 didn't turn on Jeffrey Epstein, of course. 711 00:32:20,005 --> 00:32:22,205 The one possibility is that she simply 712 00:32:22,207 --> 00:32:24,308 didn't know what Epstein was doing 713 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:27,277 and therefore could not have turned him in. 714 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,881 What we do know is that four years after David boies 715 00:32:30,883 --> 00:32:33,717 began representing Virginia giuffre, 716 00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,852 he still hadn't convinced the FBI 717 00:32:35,854 --> 00:32:38,422 to take up Jeffrey's case again. 718 00:32:38,424 --> 00:32:41,391 Instead, one of the other plaintiffs' attorneys 719 00:32:41,393 --> 00:32:43,894 found somebody who would listen. 720 00:32:43,896 --> 00:32:47,364 In November 2018, the Miami herald published 721 00:32:47,366 --> 00:32:50,534 an expose by reporter Julie brown. 722 00:32:50,536 --> 00:32:53,704 She had spoken to more than 60 women whose stories 723 00:32:53,706 --> 00:32:55,939 had never been told publicly, 724 00:32:55,941 --> 00:32:57,374 even though many had told them 725 00:32:57,376 --> 00:33:01,111 to federal investigators more than a decade before. 726 00:33:01,113 --> 00:33:02,612 [Reporter] The case has gained renewed interest 727 00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:04,214 after the Miami herald reported 728 00:33:04,216 --> 00:33:06,183 that federal prosecutors entered 729 00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:08,185 into a secret deal with Epstein. 730 00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:11,855 The stories exposed the fact 731 00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,157 that the federal investigation 732 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,193 was effectively shut down 733 00:33:16,195 --> 00:33:17,394 by the justice department, 734 00:33:17,396 --> 00:33:20,297 shut down by Alexander acosta, 735 00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:22,899 who was in the us attorney. 736 00:33:22,901 --> 00:33:24,801 I think there was a feeling at that point 737 00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:27,137 for a lot of people that acosta 738 00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:28,705 had basically let Jeffrey Epstein 739 00:33:28,707 --> 00:33:31,074 off the hook with a very light charge 740 00:33:31,076 --> 00:33:32,943 when in reality what he was accused of 741 00:33:32,945 --> 00:33:36,413 was basically industrial scale child abuse. 742 00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:40,117 [Vicky] Alexander acosta had become the secretary of labor 743 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,219 in President Trump's cabinet, 744 00:33:42,221 --> 00:33:45,355 and the backlash eventually forced him out of office. 745 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:47,391 [Reporter] Acosta's sudden departure comes 746 00:33:47,393 --> 00:33:50,027 less than 48 hours after the labor secretary 747 00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:52,396 defended his role as a us attorney. 748 00:33:52,398 --> 00:33:54,197 [Vicky] The stories also put a target 749 00:33:54,199 --> 00:33:56,433 on Jeffrey Epstein's back. 750 00:33:56,435 --> 00:33:58,869 The FBI of New York says it opened up 751 00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:01,438 the Epstein case in response 752 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,208 to the Miami herald's reporting on Jeffrey Epstein. 753 00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:08,378 You said he had a sort of kitchen cabinet 754 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:11,548 who met at least three times that you were aware of 755 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:14,418 in the last six months before he was arrested. 756 00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:16,553 They brainstormed what he can do 757 00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:19,523 about his deteriorating 758 00:34:19,525 --> 00:34:21,792 and impossible situation. 759 00:34:21,794 --> 00:34:23,393 It included bannon. 760 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,462 - So it included Steve bannon. - [Edward] And... 761 00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:27,264 Yes, he had become a close friend 762 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,167 and then become an adviser to him 763 00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,069 in terms of public relations. 764 00:34:33,906 --> 00:34:35,872 [Vicky] Ed Epstein says the planning sessions 765 00:34:35,874 --> 00:34:40,177 also included Jeffrey's business partner, ehud barak. 766 00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,512 Barak denies that saying that he was never 767 00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:46,049 a legal or informal advisor to Epstein. 768 00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:49,886 The meetings continued into 2019. 769 00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:51,855 But Jeffrey doesn't seem to have 770 00:34:51,857 --> 00:34:53,423 believed he was in danger. 771 00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:08,438 [Vicky] But on July 6th, 2019, 772 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,141 it all came crashing down. 773 00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:13,477 Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested. 774 00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:15,312 He was taken into custody overnight 775 00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:17,013 at a New Jersey airport. 776 00:35:18,016 --> 00:35:19,883 Today, we announce the unsealing 777 00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:23,854 of sex trafficking charges against Jeffrey Epstein. 778 00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:25,422 [Reporter] His mansion on east 71st street 779 00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:27,457 was raided early Sunday morning 780 00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:30,460 as agents hauled out multiple bags of evidence. 781 00:35:32,164 --> 00:35:33,296 [Vicky] It looked as if Jeffrey 782 00:35:33,298 --> 00:35:35,799 would finally face justice. 783 00:35:35,801 --> 00:35:38,468 And Epstein watchers, wondered if authorities 784 00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:40,270 would find the blackmail material 785 00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:43,340 he was rumored to have taped over the years. 786 00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:46,309 There are Epstein victims who say 787 00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:49,112 that they saw a room 788 00:35:49,114 --> 00:35:51,214 in his upper east side mansion. 789 00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:55,118 And it was filled with screens, 790 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,687 screens with live feeds 791 00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:00,056 from the bathrooms in his mansion, 792 00:36:00,058 --> 00:36:03,193 from the bedrooms in his mansion. 793 00:36:03,195 --> 00:36:07,063 What happened to that video footage, 794 00:36:07,065 --> 00:36:09,199 if it ever existed, 795 00:36:09,201 --> 00:36:12,435 is one of the great mysteries of this whole thing. 796 00:36:12,437 --> 00:36:14,938 We heard that there were passports, 797 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:17,307 there were diamonds, you know, all sorts of things 798 00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:20,377 found in that house but no tapes. 799 00:36:20,379 --> 00:36:24,447 And that remains the big question, 800 00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:26,650 who has them and where are they? 801 00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,486 [Vicky] At the time of the arrest, 802 00:36:29,488 --> 00:36:32,155 Jennifer araoz who says she was raped 803 00:36:32,157 --> 00:36:35,025 by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 15 804 00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:38,161 was getting ready to sue him for damages. 805 00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:41,031 She quickly filed the suit and went public 806 00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:43,466 with an interview on the today show. 807 00:36:43,468 --> 00:36:46,469 He hurt me badly. 808 00:36:48,473 --> 00:36:50,974 I prefer not to go through that, 809 00:36:50,976 --> 00:36:54,244 so, you know, this is one way 810 00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:57,514 for me to get justice. 811 00:36:59,017 --> 00:37:01,885 [Vicky] Then in August, five weeks after Jeffrey Epstein 812 00:37:01,887 --> 00:37:05,322 was arrested, came more shocking news. 813 00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,290 Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein 814 00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:10,393 has taken his own life while he was behind bars 815 00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:12,295 here in New York City. 816 00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:17,167 The idea that he had killed himself 817 00:37:17,169 --> 00:37:19,102 was shocking to me 818 00:37:19,104 --> 00:37:21,938 because this was not a guy who thought 819 00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:24,975 that anyone or anything could defeat him. 820 00:37:24,977 --> 00:37:27,844 Somebody who knew Jeffrey very well said to me, 821 00:37:27,846 --> 00:37:30,180 well, this is his way of winning. 822 00:37:30,182 --> 00:37:35,051 This is his way of having the last laugh. 823 00:37:36,321 --> 00:37:39,356 That was before we knew 824 00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:42,826 about all the very strange circumstances. 825 00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:44,261 It's an almost incomprehensible 826 00:37:44,263 --> 00:37:46,296 series of coincidences if you will. 827 00:37:46,298 --> 00:37:48,465 Take him off suicide watch, 828 00:37:48,467 --> 00:37:51,368 remove his cellmate, 829 00:37:52,337 --> 00:37:56,039 not have the guards look in on him, um, 830 00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:58,875 somehow the cameras are turned off. 831 00:37:58,877 --> 00:38:01,344 These things can happen, right? 832 00:38:01,346 --> 00:38:04,214 These things can happen but they all shouldn't 833 00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:05,949 happen in one place. 834 00:38:05,951 --> 00:38:08,852 All these peculiar things that I know 835 00:38:08,854 --> 00:38:11,621 have caused even members of his own defense team 836 00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:14,124 to question if he really killed himself 837 00:38:14,126 --> 00:38:16,426 despite that being the coroner's finding. 838 00:38:17,296 --> 00:38:20,297 [Vicky] Former arms dealer Ari Ben-menashe, 839 00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:22,132 whose controversial theories 840 00:38:22,134 --> 00:38:24,234 often tend towards conspiracy, 841 00:38:24,236 --> 00:38:26,002 was held at the same jail 842 00:38:26,004 --> 00:38:29,072 when he was awaiting trial in 1989. 843 00:38:29,074 --> 00:38:32,375 And he also thinks the official account is unlikely. 844 00:38:32,377 --> 00:38:36,880 In the cell itself, almost impossible 845 00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:39,215 to commit suicide in the cell. 846 00:38:39,217 --> 00:38:41,017 Almost impossible. 847 00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:43,053 Well, I'm sure 848 00:38:44,256 --> 00:38:46,389 if you had the gun smuggled, 849 00:38:46,391 --> 00:38:49,259 - then you'd commit suicide. - Right. 850 00:38:49,261 --> 00:38:53,563 [Ari] But how they described it, it's impossible. 851 00:38:53,565 --> 00:38:55,165 [Vicky] So you're suggesting that he was... 852 00:38:55,167 --> 00:38:57,067 He was murdered? 853 00:38:57,069 --> 00:39:00,704 I'm suggesting that Epstein needed 854 00:39:00,706 --> 00:39:04,140 to be gotten rid of somehow, 855 00:39:04,142 --> 00:39:05,975 one way or another. 856 00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:07,744 [Vicky] In your narrative, 857 00:39:07,746 --> 00:39:09,346 the stories of Jeffrey Epstein 858 00:39:09,348 --> 00:39:12,382 and Robert Maxwell are actually very, very similar. 859 00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:14,317 [Ari] That's right, very similar. 860 00:39:14,319 --> 00:39:16,553 Very, very similar. 861 00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:18,455 [Vicky] Both men whose fortunes 862 00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:20,924 were based on mirages. 863 00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:22,459 [Ari] Correct. 864 00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:25,295 And both men who, according to you, 865 00:39:25,297 --> 00:39:28,598 died because it was too dangerous for them 866 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,000 to reveal the secrets that they had. 867 00:39:31,002 --> 00:39:33,703 Correct. 868 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:36,039 These guys thought they're protected 869 00:39:36,041 --> 00:39:38,375 with the knowledge they had. 870 00:39:38,377 --> 00:39:40,710 Actually the knowledge they had 871 00:39:40,712 --> 00:39:42,979 was what had them killed. 872 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:46,049 [Vicky] Of course, neither death 873 00:39:46,051 --> 00:39:47,984 was officially ruled murder, 874 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:50,153 but questions have lingered. 875 00:39:50,155 --> 00:39:53,123 And justice Robert Maxwell's victims felt cheated 876 00:39:53,125 --> 00:39:55,859 when he died in 1991, 877 00:39:55,861 --> 00:40:00,430 so, too, did Epstein's 30 years later. 878 00:40:00,432 --> 00:40:01,498 I wanted my day in court, 879 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:02,999 I wanted to tell him, you know, 880 00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:05,034 exactly what I felt about him. 881 00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:09,172 I just felt just really, I don't know, alone. 882 00:40:09,174 --> 00:40:12,542 [Vicky] Jennifer araoz and her attorney, Eric lerner, 883 00:40:12,544 --> 00:40:14,844 wanted to get answers from ghislaine 884 00:40:14,846 --> 00:40:17,013 and sue her for damages. 885 00:40:17,015 --> 00:40:18,148 Jennifer was a child, 886 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:20,984 she was 14 years old and she was exploited 887 00:40:20,986 --> 00:40:22,786 and recruited from high school. 888 00:40:22,788 --> 00:40:26,189 And based on the allegations in the indictment, 889 00:40:26,191 --> 00:40:29,292 this couldn't have happened without ghislaine Maxwell. 890 00:40:29,294 --> 00:40:32,896 We hired an investigative team to, you know, 891 00:40:32,898 --> 00:40:36,032 look for her and they had some sightings of her 892 00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:40,336 in California in in-n-out and we had people out there. 893 00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:43,106 We pretty much searched the country for her. 894 00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:44,541 Physically going to locations 895 00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:46,443 and trying to find her 896 00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:48,278 and looking for leads. 897 00:40:49,181 --> 00:40:51,147 [Vicky] But ghislaine had gone underground. 898 00:40:52,217 --> 00:40:54,317 Rumors eventually start to surface 899 00:40:54,319 --> 00:40:57,687 that she was hiding out in a chateau in France, 900 00:40:57,689 --> 00:41:00,390 that she was staying on a yacht in New Zealand, 901 00:41:00,392 --> 00:41:02,926 they led nowhere. 902 00:41:02,928 --> 00:41:05,228 [Vicky] As it would turn out, ghislaine hadn't left 903 00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:06,963 the United States at all. 904 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:10,266 She was in new england living with her new husband, 905 00:41:10,268 --> 00:41:13,503 a tech entrepreneur named Scott borgerson. 906 00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:15,472 The marriage was a secret. 907 00:41:15,474 --> 00:41:17,006 Last time I saw her, 908 00:41:17,008 --> 00:41:18,875 she came to my terrace very briefly 909 00:41:18,877 --> 00:41:20,577 and that was about the terramar thing 910 00:41:20,579 --> 00:41:22,445 and that she was living in New Hampshire 911 00:41:22,447 --> 00:41:23,813 or Boston or somewhere. 912 00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:25,515 [Vicky] She didn't mentioned she was married? 913 00:41:25,517 --> 00:41:29,118 No. I... no, that was a total surprise. 914 00:41:30,155 --> 00:41:31,187 She's a citizen of the world. 915 00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:33,122 She's got a French passport. 916 00:41:33,124 --> 00:41:37,327 Why would she have stayed in the us? 917 00:41:37,329 --> 00:41:39,195 It's one of the great mysteries. 918 00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:42,332 There are two reasons I can only imagine. 919 00:41:42,334 --> 00:41:45,368 Either she was deeply in love with somebody who'd... 920 00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:47,270 And she wanted to live in america 921 00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:49,939 or she was promised by the FBI 922 00:41:49,941 --> 00:41:52,041 that they weren't coming after her. 923 00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:55,545 [Vicky] In December 2019, 924 00:41:55,547 --> 00:41:58,715 ghislaine bought a house in Bradford, New Hampshire 925 00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:01,217 for $1,000,000 in cash. 926 00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:03,353 It was even called tucked away 927 00:42:03,355 --> 00:42:05,288 that was how secluded it was. 928 00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:06,489 And the neighbors had no idea 929 00:42:06,491 --> 00:42:07,924 she was living there, you know. 930 00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:09,526 There are people... Journalists went to try 931 00:42:09,528 --> 00:42:11,694 to speak to them and they didn't have the faintest idea 932 00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:13,496 ghislaine Maxwell was living next to them. 933 00:42:13,498 --> 00:42:15,031 She kept her head down. 934 00:42:15,033 --> 00:42:16,266 She had a... 935 00:42:16,268 --> 00:42:17,834 She had large financial resources 936 00:42:17,836 --> 00:42:19,569 with which to do that. 937 00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:21,871 [Vicky] But the hideout only stayed secret 938 00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:23,273 for a few months. 939 00:42:23,275 --> 00:42:26,242 They knew she was in a small town in New Hampshire 940 00:42:26,244 --> 00:42:28,077 but they didn't know exactly where. 941 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,246 So they had to get a warrant. 942 00:42:30,248 --> 00:42:32,815 They used a sophisticated piece of technology, 943 00:42:32,817 --> 00:42:35,018 a stingray is what it's called. 944 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:38,187 They can essentially ping a cell phone 945 00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:39,956 and then zero in on it, 946 00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:44,394 and determine a precise location of that cell phone. 947 00:42:44,396 --> 00:42:48,431 The FBI moves in, ghislaine Maxwell disobey, 948 00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:49,966 in order for her to open the door 949 00:42:49,968 --> 00:42:52,769 instead she moved further into her mansion. 950 00:42:52,771 --> 00:42:55,772 They get inside and they arrest her. 951 00:42:55,774 --> 00:42:57,874 [Reporter] Federal agents found her cell phone 952 00:42:57,876 --> 00:43:00,710 wrapped in tinfoil in what prosecutors described 953 00:43:00,712 --> 00:43:02,879 as a seemingly misguided effort 954 00:43:02,881 --> 00:43:05,281 to evade detection by law enforcement. 955 00:43:05,283 --> 00:43:07,951 Maxwell is scheduled to go before a judge today 956 00:43:07,953 --> 00:43:11,120 to find out if she will be granted release on bond. 957 00:43:11,122 --> 00:43:12,422 [Man] Bail denied. 958 00:43:12,424 --> 00:43:14,490 Jeffrey Epstein's former girlfriend 959 00:43:14,492 --> 00:43:18,061 will remain behind bars on charges that she recruited 960 00:43:18,063 --> 00:43:20,597 young girls for Epstein to sexually abuse. 961 00:43:23,868 --> 00:43:27,437 [Jack] She asked for more than $28 million bail. 962 00:43:27,439 --> 00:43:30,940 She's gonna pay for former special forces soldiers 963 00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,375 to keep her under armed guard. 964 00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:34,177 She offered to give up her passports. 965 00:43:34,179 --> 00:43:35,945 And come the third bail application, 966 00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:37,146 she offered to give up her British 967 00:43:37,148 --> 00:43:38,715 and French citizenship. 968 00:43:38,717 --> 00:43:41,584 So we've heard from Ian Maxwell 969 00:43:41,586 --> 00:43:43,987 who's given TV interviews 970 00:43:43,989 --> 00:43:47,090 and he's firmly of the view 971 00:43:47,092 --> 00:43:48,391 that the only reason she's there 972 00:43:48,393 --> 00:43:50,426 is because Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 973 00:43:50,428 --> 00:43:51,694 [Man] Why is ghislaine Maxwell 974 00:43:51,696 --> 00:43:53,229 being treated differently? 975 00:43:53,231 --> 00:43:55,064 She's a patsy for Epstein 976 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:59,135 is the answer whom they lost on their watch 977 00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:01,237 and they're taking it out on my sister. 978 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,039 Damn it. That's wrong. 979 00:44:06,111 --> 00:44:08,044 [Vicky] David Boise says that ghislaine 980 00:44:08,046 --> 00:44:09,846 is just one of the people 981 00:44:09,848 --> 00:44:11,514 who should be held responsible. 982 00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:13,383 Do you think we are likely 983 00:44:13,385 --> 00:44:15,952 to see any more arrests or indictment? 984 00:44:15,954 --> 00:44:17,120 [Jack] I hope we do. 985 00:44:17,122 --> 00:44:20,056 I think that Epstein and Maxwell 986 00:44:20,058 --> 00:44:21,858 were the two central players, 987 00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:23,826 but there a number of other people 988 00:44:23,828 --> 00:44:25,928 who contributed and import 989 00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:28,765 the ways for the continuation 990 00:44:28,767 --> 00:44:31,067 of the sex-trafficking enterprise. 991 00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:35,505 And I think those people need to be held to account. 992 00:44:37,008 --> 00:44:39,475 [Vicky] One of the four minor victims who are part 993 00:44:39,477 --> 00:44:43,246 of the indictment against ghislaine is Annie farmer, 994 00:44:43,248 --> 00:44:47,050 who first spoke to me back in 2002. 995 00:44:47,052 --> 00:44:49,986 I finally had the chance to meet her in person 996 00:44:49,988 --> 00:44:53,289 when she spoke in court in 2019. 997 00:44:53,291 --> 00:44:56,359 Annie farmer did stand out even then 998 00:44:56,361 --> 00:45:01,731 as somebody of remarkable composure 999 00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:06,436 and calm to meet her in the courthouse, 1000 00:45:06,438 --> 00:45:09,706 you know, she was exactly what I'd pictured. 1001 00:45:09,708 --> 00:45:12,075 She strikes to me as a very dignified, 1002 00:45:12,077 --> 00:45:14,410 extraordinarily brave person. 1003 00:45:14,412 --> 00:45:17,380 My dealings with Annie's sister, Maria, 1004 00:45:17,382 --> 00:45:19,348 have been much more difficult. 1005 00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:22,919 I heard from Maria around this time, 1006 00:45:22,921 --> 00:45:24,253 I can't tell you what she said 1007 00:45:24,255 --> 00:45:26,923 because it was off the record. 1008 00:45:26,925 --> 00:45:28,991 She claimed to have had 1009 00:45:28,993 --> 00:45:32,462 a very harrowing life 1010 00:45:32,464 --> 00:45:35,431 in the aftermath of the non-publication 1011 00:45:35,433 --> 00:45:39,569 of her allegations against Jeffrey. 1012 00:45:39,571 --> 00:45:44,507 We did manage to get the allegations out in 2015. 1013 00:45:44,509 --> 00:45:47,410 But I know that Maria, 1014 00:45:47,412 --> 00:45:49,078 in the last two years 1015 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,483 is very angry at me. 1016 00:45:53,485 --> 00:45:56,986 And, um, I get it, 1017 00:45:56,988 --> 00:45:59,322 you know what, I failed her 1018 00:45:59,324 --> 00:46:01,357 and, um... 1019 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:03,926 I feel, uh, 1020 00:46:03,928 --> 00:46:05,995 awful about it. 1021 00:46:05,997 --> 00:46:08,564 And you know, if I had the opportunity, 1022 00:46:08,566 --> 00:46:11,434 I would say to her that I am so, so sorry. 1023 00:46:16,507 --> 00:46:18,941 [Dramatic music playing] 1024 00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:20,810 [Vicky] You've talked about the sort of web of power 1025 00:46:20,812 --> 00:46:22,111 that propped Jeffrey up. 1026 00:46:22,113 --> 00:46:24,847 It doesn't seem like that's going to disappear 1027 00:46:24,849 --> 00:46:28,251 even if ghislaine Maxwell is found guilty and go to prison. 1028 00:46:28,253 --> 00:46:29,519 Yeah, it doesn't end with her. 1029 00:46:29,521 --> 00:46:31,921 There are a lot of people to blame in this. 1030 00:46:31,923 --> 00:46:33,823 I think one of the reasons, 1031 00:46:33,825 --> 00:46:35,892 it focuses on ghislaine 1032 00:46:35,894 --> 00:46:38,761 is because she has knowledge of that web 1033 00:46:38,763 --> 00:46:41,030 - or at least that we've originally thought. - Mmm-hmm. 1034 00:46:41,032 --> 00:46:42,765 [Eric] But it seems like there's a lot 1035 00:46:42,767 --> 00:46:45,468 of powerful men around Jeffrey Epstein 1036 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:47,937 who are part of this web and don't appear 1037 00:46:47,939 --> 00:46:50,439 to be part of any investigation right now. 1038 00:46:50,441 --> 00:46:53,376 [Vicky] Whilst ghislaine stand accused 1039 00:46:53,378 --> 00:46:55,978 of terrible, terrible, terrible crimes, 1040 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:57,380 there are other people 1041 00:46:57,382 --> 00:46:59,248 who might be culpable in all of this 1042 00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,150 who just off scot free 1043 00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:04,453 and those are what I call the invisible men 1044 00:47:04,455 --> 00:47:06,455 and they are men 1045 00:47:06,457 --> 00:47:09,859 who surrounded Jeffrey 1046 00:47:09,861 --> 00:47:11,527 all this time, 1047 00:47:11,529 --> 00:47:15,531 enabled his awful crimes 1048 00:47:15,533 --> 00:47:18,401 looked the other way 1049 00:47:18,403 --> 00:47:19,969 whether out of self-protection, 1050 00:47:19,971 --> 00:47:22,271 self-interest, greed. 1051 00:47:22,273 --> 00:47:25,374 There have been repercussions for some of the men 1052 00:47:25,376 --> 00:47:27,476 who are friendly with Jeffrey. 1053 00:47:27,478 --> 00:47:29,512 Prince Andrew, for example, 1054 00:47:29,514 --> 00:47:31,147 amidst public pressure, 1055 00:47:31,149 --> 00:47:34,417 he agreed to speak to the BBC after Jeffrey died. 1056 00:47:34,419 --> 00:47:38,120 It would be a considerable stretch 1057 00:47:38,122 --> 00:47:39,956 to say that he was a very, very, close friend. 1058 00:47:39,958 --> 00:47:44,694 Do I regret of the fact that he has quite obviously 1059 00:47:44,696 --> 00:47:47,430 conducted himself in a manner unbecoming? 1060 00:47:47,432 --> 00:47:48,464 Yes. 1061 00:47:48,466 --> 00:47:49,732 Unbecoming? 1062 00:47:49,734 --> 00:47:50,833 He was a sex offender? 1063 00:47:50,835 --> 00:47:52,802 Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm being polite. 1064 00:47:52,804 --> 00:47:55,771 I think what the British public were probably expecting 1065 00:47:55,773 --> 00:47:58,908 from prince Andrew was an apology. 1066 00:47:58,910 --> 00:48:00,376 They were probably expecting him to show 1067 00:48:00,378 --> 00:48:02,111 empathy and sympathy. 1068 00:48:02,113 --> 00:48:04,213 I don't remember that photo of ever being taken. 1069 00:48:04,215 --> 00:48:06,415 But it's possible that it was you 1070 00:48:06,417 --> 00:48:08,885 - with your arm around her waist... - That's me but whether 1071 00:48:08,887 --> 00:48:13,256 that's my hand or whether that's, um, the position, I... 1072 00:48:13,258 --> 00:48:15,458 [Vicky] Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein? 1073 00:48:16,895 --> 00:48:18,394 I'm... I... 1074 00:48:18,396 --> 00:48:20,763 Now, I still not. 1075 00:48:20,765 --> 00:48:24,767 He said that he valued the connections that he made 1076 00:48:24,769 --> 00:48:27,403 which is fascinating that even after everything 1077 00:48:27,405 --> 00:48:29,338 that had happened, obviously the power 1078 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:33,009 of Epstein's political connections was still having 1079 00:48:33,011 --> 00:48:35,611 swayed over prince Andrew even in that moment. 1080 00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:38,047 [Reporter] The Monday morning headlines say it all. 1081 00:48:38,049 --> 00:48:40,416 Prince Andrew's attempt to explain his friendship 1082 00:48:40,418 --> 00:48:43,986 with accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein backfiring. 1083 00:48:43,988 --> 00:48:45,988 The furor over it does not seem 1084 00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:47,490 to be settling down today. 1085 00:48:47,492 --> 00:48:49,258 [Jack] Prince Andrew was forced to step back 1086 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:50,793 from public life. 1087 00:48:50,795 --> 00:48:52,395 What's important for Americans to understand 1088 00:48:52,397 --> 00:48:54,697 is that royals don't get cancelled, you know, 1089 00:48:54,699 --> 00:48:56,299 that's not a thing that happens. 1090 00:48:56,301 --> 00:48:57,867 You don't lose your job as a member 1091 00:48:57,869 --> 00:48:59,969 of the royal family. 1092 00:48:59,971 --> 00:49:03,139 [Vicky] Another man who's being affected is Leon black, 1093 00:49:03,141 --> 00:49:06,575 the former ceo of Apollo global management 1094 00:49:06,577 --> 00:49:10,713 who admitted paying Jeffrey $158 million 1095 00:49:10,715 --> 00:49:12,448 over five years. 1096 00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:14,483 My friend, William d. Cohan, 1097 00:49:14,485 --> 00:49:17,853 who covers wall street for vanity fair and others 1098 00:49:17,855 --> 00:49:19,221 broke that one down for me. 1099 00:49:19,223 --> 00:49:22,191 This idea that Leon black, 1100 00:49:22,193 --> 00:49:25,861 truly one of the smartest guys on wall street, 1101 00:49:25,863 --> 00:49:31,100 would turn to Jeffrey Epstein 1102 00:49:31,102 --> 00:49:34,737 for bespoke financial... 1103 00:49:34,739 --> 00:49:37,173 Tax advice 1104 00:49:37,175 --> 00:49:41,077 absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. 1105 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,047 [Vicky] Bill says that the men who have the most connection 1106 00:49:45,049 --> 00:49:48,351 to Epstein are known on wall street as the big three. 1107 00:49:48,353 --> 00:49:49,986 Black, Leslie wexner, 1108 00:49:49,988 --> 00:49:53,022 and former hedge fund manager Glenn dubin 1109 00:49:53,024 --> 00:49:57,226 who married Jeffrey's former girlfriend, Eva Andersson. 1110 00:49:57,228 --> 00:50:00,196 Dubin left his fund after Jeffrey died 1111 00:50:00,198 --> 00:50:02,398 and has been subpoenaed by an investigator 1112 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,567 in the us Virgin Islands. 1113 00:50:04,569 --> 00:50:06,702 Black was forced out of his role 1114 00:50:06,704 --> 00:50:08,738 as board chair of Apollo. 1115 00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:10,873 And wexner and his wife have also 1116 00:50:10,875 --> 00:50:13,075 left the board of l brands. 1117 00:50:13,077 --> 00:50:16,345 The big three, the ones that I think everybody knew 1118 00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:19,448 Jeffrey had a relationship with, 1119 00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:22,952 as well as Bill Gates and prince Andrew, 1120 00:50:22,954 --> 00:50:25,721 have paid a reputational price. 1121 00:50:25,723 --> 00:50:27,123 But who are the others? 1122 00:50:28,226 --> 00:50:30,760 Ghislaine really could be the gateway, 1123 00:50:30,762 --> 00:50:35,264 the key to this shadowy web of invisible men. 1124 00:50:36,267 --> 00:50:40,102 The big question is what information does she have? 1125 00:50:40,104 --> 00:50:42,605 I mean ghislaine holds the key to the cabinet, right? 1126 00:50:42,607 --> 00:50:44,840 And in that cabinet, there's a lot information. 1127 00:50:44,842 --> 00:50:46,609 She was around Jeffrey Epstein's life, 1128 00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:48,244 she was around his life, meets a lot of very, 1129 00:50:48,246 --> 00:50:49,712 very powerful people 1130 00:50:49,714 --> 00:50:52,114 talking to them, entertaining them, 1131 00:50:52,116 --> 00:50:54,083 dining with them. 1132 00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:55,518 She holds a lot. 1133 00:50:56,788 --> 00:50:59,688 [Dramatic music playing] 1134 00:50:59,690 --> 00:51:02,091 [Vicky] What about the tapes Epstein allegedly made 1135 00:51:02,093 --> 00:51:04,226 to blackmail people? 1136 00:51:04,228 --> 00:51:06,128 Does she know about those? 1137 00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:08,998 [David] I think there is no doubt that there were tapes. 1138 00:51:10,134 --> 00:51:12,735 Now, where are those tapes are? 1139 00:51:12,737 --> 00:51:15,204 Indeed, even whether those tapes 1140 00:51:15,206 --> 00:51:17,506 continue to exist is something 1141 00:51:17,508 --> 00:51:20,142 that we've not been able to prove 1142 00:51:20,144 --> 00:51:21,610 one way or the other. 1143 00:51:21,612 --> 00:51:25,381 Ghislaine Maxwell is being pressured now 1144 00:51:25,383 --> 00:51:27,149 about the tapes. 1145 00:51:27,151 --> 00:51:29,118 Does she know where they are? Does she have them? 1146 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,120 She might have bits of them 1147 00:51:31,122 --> 00:51:33,556 but the Israelis definitely has them. 1148 00:51:33,558 --> 00:51:35,925 - Yes. - You know that? 1149 00:51:35,927 --> 00:51:37,126 [Ari] Yes. 1150 00:51:38,996 --> 00:51:42,331 I think this whole extraordinary 1151 00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:45,968 tale of influence, campaigns, 1152 00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:48,337 of arms dealing, 1153 00:51:48,339 --> 00:51:51,073 of compromising people 1154 00:51:51,075 --> 00:51:53,809 shows that he may well have been propped up 1155 00:51:53,811 --> 00:51:56,712 by an international network, 1156 00:51:56,714 --> 00:51:59,849 that he could have had much more leverage over people, 1157 00:51:59,851 --> 00:52:03,385 over countries than perhaps any of us knew. 1158 00:52:05,056 --> 00:52:08,257 It is absolutely remarkable 1159 00:52:08,259 --> 00:52:10,459 the reach that he had. 1160 00:52:10,461 --> 00:52:12,328 [David] Uh, that's absolutely right. 1161 00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,931 There's still an enormous amount that even those of us 1162 00:52:15,933 --> 00:52:18,767 who have been working on this for six or seven years 1163 00:52:18,769 --> 00:52:22,705 don't yet know that the contacts he had, 1164 00:52:22,707 --> 00:52:25,474 the powerful people who had one connection 1165 00:52:25,476 --> 00:52:26,842 with him or another. 1166 00:52:26,844 --> 00:52:28,277 His legion. 1167 00:52:31,249 --> 00:52:34,049 [Vicky] Even two years after his death, 1168 00:52:34,051 --> 00:52:37,353 Jeffrey Epstein still has the power 1169 00:52:37,355 --> 00:52:39,522 to pull down the rich and famous. 1170 00:52:40,825 --> 00:52:44,126 The question is whether ghislaine could do the same. 1171 00:52:45,129 --> 00:52:48,197 [David] I think there are powerful people out there 1172 00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,133 who want to keep 1173 00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:53,969 concealed facts 1174 00:52:53,971 --> 00:52:56,405 that Ms. Maxwell knows 1175 00:52:56,407 --> 00:52:58,707 just as I think there were powerful people 1176 00:52:58,709 --> 00:53:01,977 who wanted to keep concealed facts with Jeffrey Epstein. 1177 00:53:01,979 --> 00:53:05,481 He was a dangerous person for a lot of people 1178 00:53:05,483 --> 00:53:08,250 because if he went down, then he was the type that would 1179 00:53:08,252 --> 00:53:10,186 take everybody down with him. 1180 00:53:10,188 --> 00:53:12,821 Well, how dangerous is ghislaine Maxwell, then? 1181 00:53:12,823 --> 00:53:14,924 Question is, what does she know? 1182 00:53:14,926 --> 00:53:18,093 And who doesn't want that coming out? 1183 00:53:18,095 --> 00:53:20,696 And how long is that valuable? 1184 00:53:20,698 --> 00:53:24,700 Because information loses its strength after time. 1185 00:53:26,437 --> 00:53:28,571 Ghislaine Maxwell may be 1186 00:53:28,573 --> 00:53:31,307 the last person on earth 1187 00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:34,476 who can be squeezed to say 1188 00:53:34,478 --> 00:53:36,445 what actually happened here 1189 00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:39,081 because I'm afraid that people 1190 00:53:39,083 --> 00:53:41,183 will never spill their guts. 1191 00:53:41,185 --> 00:53:43,986 It's very, very hard 1192 00:53:43,988 --> 00:53:46,922 to get people to spill the beans. 1193 00:53:46,924 --> 00:53:48,757 [William] Especially when they've been paid 1194 00:53:48,759 --> 00:53:52,328 a lot of money probably and they've signed agreements 1195 00:53:52,330 --> 00:53:55,197 that they won't and I really think that that's 1196 00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,334 what's going on here and not just like back in the day. 1197 00:53:58,336 --> 00:54:01,737 I think these people have been paid and are continuing 1198 00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:04,506 to be paid and may even be being paid more. 1199 00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:08,477 Really this is a story about guys, 1200 00:54:08,479 --> 00:54:12,081 very, very rich guys covering for each other. 1201 00:54:12,083 --> 00:54:14,350 Couldn't agree more. 1202 00:54:14,352 --> 00:54:16,885 And who knows what they're covering for? 1203 00:54:16,887 --> 00:54:20,222 Their lives, their reputations depend 1204 00:54:20,224 --> 00:54:22,091 on the truth never getting out. 1205 00:54:22,093 --> 00:54:25,027 And so I suspect that the truth 1206 00:54:25,029 --> 00:54:27,162 will never come out. 1207 00:54:28,099 --> 00:54:29,798 [Vicky] As she faces trial, 1208 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,268 ghislaine has maintained her innocence 1209 00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:35,271 and it's possible that that is true. 1210 00:54:35,273 --> 00:54:37,573 Her father's biographer, Tom bower, 1211 00:54:37,575 --> 00:54:40,075 who remains in contact with the family, 1212 00:54:40,077 --> 00:54:41,710 says it's also possible 1213 00:54:41,712 --> 00:54:44,246 that she's following the Maxwell tradition. 1214 00:54:44,248 --> 00:54:48,217 The Maxwell psyche is always to fight for survival 1215 00:54:48,219 --> 00:54:51,053 and to win and that's I'm sure she's aiming for now. 1216 00:54:51,055 --> 00:54:54,356 She imagines that she can, 1217 00:54:54,358 --> 00:54:56,759 in her day in court, be... 1218 00:54:56,761 --> 00:54:59,061 Persuade the jury that she's innocent. 1219 00:54:59,063 --> 00:55:01,930 Uh, and that's what she'll be fighting for. 1220 00:55:01,932 --> 00:55:03,499 Her legal team, according to sources, 1221 00:55:03,501 --> 00:55:05,367 believes that she's going to win. 1222 00:55:05,369 --> 00:55:07,436 If they are really telling her that, 1223 00:55:08,506 --> 00:55:12,608 I think that is a grave disservice to their client. 1224 00:55:13,711 --> 00:55:17,346 I think that she is not going to win this trial. 1225 00:55:17,348 --> 00:55:20,049 [Vicky] Ghislaine may be taking her example 1226 00:55:20,051 --> 00:55:23,018 from her brothers who were found not guilty 1227 00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:25,888 in their fraud trial 25 years ago. 1228 00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:28,157 Kevin now is helping ghislaine 1229 00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,759 daily with her defense. 1230 00:55:30,761 --> 00:55:32,194 Do you know that for sure? 1231 00:55:32,196 --> 00:55:33,896 I mean the rest of us don't know Kevin Maxwell 1232 00:55:33,898 --> 00:55:35,331 in the way that you do. 1233 00:55:35,333 --> 00:55:38,067 [Tom] Yes, for sure, he's helping them. 1234 00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:41,870 Do not underestimate Kevin's determination 1235 00:55:41,872 --> 00:55:44,807 to ensure that his sister's acquitted. 1236 00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:46,875 I think you can anticipate 1237 00:55:46,877 --> 00:55:50,279 that Kevin's defense strategy 1238 00:55:50,281 --> 00:55:54,149 will be to destroy the credibility of the women. 1239 00:55:55,486 --> 00:55:57,186 [Vicky] And there is one more defense 1240 00:55:57,188 --> 00:55:58,987 that ghislaine could attempt. 1241 00:55:58,989 --> 00:56:01,156 She could claim that she, too, 1242 00:56:01,158 --> 00:56:03,425 was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. 1243 00:56:03,427 --> 00:56:06,095 Ghislaine can easily plea that she is a victim 1244 00:56:06,097 --> 00:56:09,498 of a tyrannous boyfriend, Epstein. 1245 00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,800 And there'll be women in that jury 1246 00:56:11,802 --> 00:56:15,204 who will sympathize with the idea that ghislaine 1247 00:56:15,206 --> 00:56:17,606 has been the victim of a monster. 1248 00:56:19,977 --> 00:56:22,678 [Vicky] For those of us who knew her over the years, 1249 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,114 it's almost impossible to comprehend 1250 00:56:25,116 --> 00:56:27,316 where ghislaine's road has taken her. 1251 00:56:27,318 --> 00:56:30,819 It's very sobering the idea that someone you knew 1252 00:56:30,821 --> 00:56:33,255 could have been doing this kind of stuff. 1253 00:56:33,257 --> 00:56:35,624 What are your feelings about it all? 1254 00:56:37,862 --> 00:56:41,497 Total disgust, horror, 1255 00:56:41,499 --> 00:56:45,367 and a kind of feeling of some guilt. 1256 00:56:45,369 --> 00:56:48,203 And it just turns my stomach. 1257 00:56:48,205 --> 00:56:50,672 It's one thing when you're... 1258 00:56:52,042 --> 00:56:54,176 You must rush out and get some... 1259 00:56:54,178 --> 00:56:57,880 Get Epstein the best chicken soup in New York City, 1260 00:56:57,882 --> 00:56:59,515 it's a hella different story 1261 00:56:59,517 --> 00:57:03,585 if it's feeding his depraved appetite 1262 00:57:03,587 --> 00:57:07,523 for defenseless young girls. 1263 00:57:07,525 --> 00:57:10,559 It's just awfully disgusting 1264 00:57:10,561 --> 00:57:12,961 and you kind of don't want to believe 1265 00:57:12,963 --> 00:57:14,363 that a friend of yours 1266 00:57:14,365 --> 00:57:17,232 is capable of anything that is just... 1267 00:57:18,903 --> 00:57:21,537 -[Vicky] A monstrous. -[Christopher] No. It's monstrous. 1268 00:57:23,073 --> 00:57:25,541 [Vicky] In the end, ghislaine Maxwell's story 1269 00:57:25,543 --> 00:57:29,678 returns to her father and his own sordid past. 1270 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,413 One of the great takeaways from doing 1271 00:57:31,415 --> 00:57:33,182 all this reporting 1272 00:57:33,184 --> 00:57:35,250 is in the extraordinary parallels 1273 00:57:35,252 --> 00:57:37,886 between Jeffrey Epstein and Robert Maxwell. 1274 00:57:37,888 --> 00:57:41,023 In some ways, it's where ghislaine is now 1275 00:57:41,025 --> 00:57:43,459 has something to do with the way 1276 00:57:43,461 --> 00:57:46,094 she was raised by her father. 1277 00:57:46,096 --> 00:57:50,999 And then the way she was controlled willingly 1278 00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:54,837 by Jeffrey Epstein, two very similar men. 1279 00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:58,106 The ordinary expectation for somebody like ghislaine 1280 00:57:58,108 --> 00:58:00,943 would be what she told friends 1281 00:58:00,945 --> 00:58:03,178 she wanted to be, to become somebody, 1282 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,315 somebody of great importance in the world. 1283 00:58:06,317 --> 00:58:09,485 I think the whole question of chasing ghislaine 1284 00:58:09,487 --> 00:58:12,521 is how and where did she 1285 00:58:12,523 --> 00:58:15,157 allegedly make a wrong turn 1286 00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:19,361 so that instead of becoming this glorious, 1287 00:58:19,363 --> 00:58:22,030 relevant influencer in the world, 1288 00:58:22,032 --> 00:58:24,700 she's now sitting in jail, 1289 00:58:24,702 --> 00:58:28,203 facing unspeakable charges of helping Jeffrey Epstein 1290 00:58:28,205 --> 00:58:31,473 with his sexual crimes. 1291 00:58:32,843 --> 00:58:36,445 To be honest, it's still something of a mystery. 1292 00:58:40,551 --> 00:58:43,552 [Somber music playing] 90781

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