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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,253 Dispatcher: Orange County Fire Rescue. 2 00:00:20,419 --> 00:00:23,214 Woman: 6600 Sea Harbor Drive. 3 00:00:23,381 --> 00:00:25,466 SeaWorld Stadium. 4 00:00:25,633 --> 00:00:27,260 Dispatcher: Okay. 5 00:00:28,552 --> 00:00:30,429 Woman: We actually have a trainer in the water 6 00:00:30,596 --> 00:00:32,431 with one of our whales-- 7 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:34,433 the whale that they're not supposed to be in the water with. 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,435 Dispatcher: Okay. We'll get somebody en route. 9 00:00:36,602 --> 00:00:38,980 Woman: Okay, through gate #3 to Shamu Stadium. 10 00:00:39,146 --> 00:00:40,147 Dispatcher: Gate 3. 11 00:00:47,655 --> 00:00:49,573 Dispatcher #2: Orange County Sheriff's Office. 12 00:00:49,740 --> 00:00:51,492 Man: We need SO to respond 13 00:00:51,659 --> 00:00:53,828 for a dead person at SeaWorld. 14 00:00:55,371 --> 00:00:57,748 Uh, a whale has eaten one of the trainers. 15 00:01:00,418 --> 00:01:02,753 Dispatcher #2: A whale ate one of the trainers? 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,297 Man: That's correct. 17 00:01:06,632 --> 00:01:09,468 ( Applause ) 18 00:01:21,647 --> 00:01:24,275 ( instrumental music playing ) 19 00:01:29,530 --> 00:01:32,074 Narrator: Do you believe? 20 00:01:32,241 --> 00:01:34,410 My parents first brought me to a SeaWorld park 21 00:01:34,577 --> 00:01:35,619 when I was very young. 22 00:01:37,538 --> 00:01:40,750 From that point forward, I was hooked. 23 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,211 It meant everything to me because 24 00:01:44,378 --> 00:01:46,339 I'd never wanted anything more. 25 00:01:46,505 --> 00:01:48,799 I remember being probably in first or second grade 26 00:01:48,966 --> 00:01:50,926 watching National Geographic specials 27 00:01:51,093 --> 00:01:52,261 or Mutual of Omaha specials 28 00:01:52,428 --> 00:01:54,680 and seeing whales and seeing dolphins and as a little kid 29 00:01:54,847 --> 00:01:56,599 just being really incredibly inspired by it. 30 00:01:56,766 --> 00:01:58,309 I never went to SeaWorld. 31 00:01:58,476 --> 00:02:00,061 I grew up in New York, so I went to the Bronx Zoo. 32 00:02:00,227 --> 00:02:02,480 Grew up on a lake with horses. We'd swim the horses. 33 00:02:02,646 --> 00:02:03,647 I grew up around the ocean. 34 00:02:03,814 --> 00:02:06,525 I came from the middle of the country in flatland Kansas. 35 00:02:06,692 --> 00:02:07,693 I'm from Virginia. 36 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:10,071 Traveled down, did the theme park thing 37 00:02:10,237 --> 00:02:12,948 in Orlando when I was 17 38 00:02:13,115 --> 00:02:17,578 and saw the night show at Shamu Stadium. 39 00:02:17,745 --> 00:02:20,581 Very emotional, you know, popular music. 40 00:02:20,748 --> 00:02:24,502 And I was just-- I was very driven to want to do that. 41 00:02:27,171 --> 00:02:29,173 Kim Ashdown: Then I saw what the trainers did... 42 00:02:30,508 --> 00:02:32,009 and I said, "That's what I want to do." 43 00:02:35,554 --> 00:02:36,806 Dean Gomersall: One of the trainers there, he goes, 44 00:02:36,972 --> 00:02:38,682 "What are you doing out there? You should be a trainer." 45 00:02:38,849 --> 00:02:40,059 I go, "I don't know how to train animals. 46 00:02:40,226 --> 00:02:41,435 I've never trained animals in my life." 47 00:02:41,602 --> 00:02:43,687 How do you prepare yourself for an encounter 48 00:02:43,854 --> 00:02:46,607 with an 8,000-pound Orcinus orca? 49 00:02:46,774 --> 00:02:49,318 Ashdown: I always thought you needed, like, a master's degree 50 00:02:49,485 --> 00:02:51,028 in marine biology to be a trainer. 51 00:02:51,195 --> 00:02:54,448 James Earl Jones: It takes years of study and experience 52 00:02:54,615 --> 00:02:56,867 to meet the strict requirements necessary 53 00:02:57,034 --> 00:02:59,912 to interact in the water with Shamu. 54 00:03:00,079 --> 00:03:02,081 Ashdown: Come to find out, it really is more about 55 00:03:02,248 --> 00:03:04,500 your personality and how good you can swim. 56 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:06,585 I went and tried out, got the job right away. 57 00:03:06,752 --> 00:03:08,337 I'm like, "Yeah!" So excited, you know. 58 00:03:08,504 --> 00:03:10,464 I was so, so excited. 59 00:03:10,631 --> 00:03:12,925 Berg: I really wanted to be there. I really wanted to do the job. 60 00:03:13,092 --> 00:03:15,553 I couldn't wait to get in the water with the animals. 61 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:17,930 I really was proud of being a SeaWorld trainer. 62 00:03:18,097 --> 00:03:20,975 You know, I thought this was the most amazing job. 63 00:03:22,351 --> 00:03:25,438 I showed up there on my first day, not really knowing what to expect. 64 00:03:25,604 --> 00:03:28,315 I was told to put on a wetsuit and get in the water. 65 00:03:28,482 --> 00:03:29,650 Hi, Mom! 66 00:03:29,817 --> 00:03:32,903 Oh, I was scared out of my wits. 67 00:03:33,070 --> 00:03:34,822 First of all, I put my wetsuit on backwards 68 00:03:34,989 --> 00:03:37,867 because I was raised on a farm in Virginia. 69 00:03:38,033 --> 00:03:39,952 - Hi, Dad! - My first thought 70 00:03:40,119 --> 00:03:43,205 and memory of that time was that dolphins are a lot bigger... 71 00:03:43,372 --> 00:03:45,374 - ( clicking ) - ...heh, than they look 72 00:03:45,541 --> 00:03:46,959 when you get in the water next to them. 73 00:03:47,126 --> 00:03:49,628 Well, I watched the Sea Lion & Otter Show, 74 00:03:49,795 --> 00:03:51,130 and this guy, Mike Morocco, 75 00:03:51,297 --> 00:03:56,135 he comes out during the show with a dress on as Dorky, 76 00:03:56,302 --> 00:03:58,053 the alter ego of Dorothy-- 77 00:03:58,220 --> 00:04:01,390 in a dress with a sea lion, the Coward Sea Lion, right? 78 00:04:01,557 --> 00:04:02,975 And he's walking along with this little basket, 79 00:04:03,142 --> 00:04:05,853 and I go, "I will never, ever do that." 80 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:07,938 You know? Two months later... 81 00:04:08,105 --> 00:04:09,273 ( high voice ) Hi, I'm Dorky! 82 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,233 ( laughing ) 83 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,444 Walking out onstage with a sea lion. 84 00:04:20,743 --> 00:04:23,412 Ashdown: I was overwhelmed and I was so excited. 85 00:04:25,122 --> 00:04:27,333 I mean, just seeing a killer whale... 86 00:04:28,542 --> 00:04:29,919 is breathtaking. 87 00:04:32,963 --> 00:04:34,965 John Jett: I was just in awe. 88 00:04:35,132 --> 00:04:37,551 It's shocking to see how large they are 89 00:04:37,718 --> 00:04:38,886 and how beautiful they are. 90 00:04:40,179 --> 00:04:42,139 Berg: Being in the presence of the killer whales 91 00:04:42,306 --> 00:04:44,308 was just inspiring and amazing, 92 00:04:44,475 --> 00:04:45,809 and I remember seeing them for the first time, 93 00:04:45,976 --> 00:04:48,729 just not being able to believe how huge they were. 94 00:04:51,315 --> 00:04:54,026 You're there because you want to train killer whales and that's your goal. 95 00:04:54,193 --> 00:04:56,904 Trainers: Yay! 96 00:04:57,071 --> 00:04:58,572 Berg: I didn't know it was going to happen, 97 00:04:58,739 --> 00:04:59,782 so I wasn't expecting it. 98 00:04:59,949 --> 00:05:02,201 And one day they say, "Okay, Sam, you're ready to go." 99 00:05:02,368 --> 00:05:03,702 Woman: Come on, you got it. 100 00:05:03,869 --> 00:05:06,205 Berg: "You're going to stand on the whale. 101 00:05:06,372 --> 00:05:08,666 You're going to dive off the whale. 102 00:05:08,832 --> 00:05:11,085 The whale's going to swim under you and pick you up again. 103 00:05:11,252 --> 00:05:13,879 And then you're going to do a perimeter ride around the pool." 104 00:05:14,046 --> 00:05:15,464 Man: Good! 105 00:05:15,631 --> 00:05:17,841 Keep moving. Ride him to the slide-out. 106 00:05:18,008 --> 00:05:19,802 ( Cheering ) 107 00:05:19,969 --> 00:05:22,346 Berg: They just told me to go do it and I did it. 108 00:05:22,513 --> 00:05:24,682 Wow, I did-- I just rode a killer whale. 109 00:05:24,848 --> 00:05:26,850 ( Cheering and applause ) 110 00:05:27,017 --> 00:05:29,019 Woman: Yay, girly! 111 00:05:32,481 --> 00:05:35,192 When you look into their eyes, you know somebody is home. 112 00:05:35,359 --> 00:05:36,527 Somebody's looking back. 113 00:05:36,694 --> 00:05:40,573 You form a very personal relationship with your animal. 114 00:05:40,739 --> 00:05:43,701 There's something absolutely amazing 115 00:05:43,867 --> 00:05:47,663 about working with an animal. 116 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:49,540 You are a team. 117 00:05:49,707 --> 00:05:51,542 You build a relationship together. 118 00:05:51,709 --> 00:05:55,796 You both understand the goal and you help each other. 119 00:05:55,963 --> 00:05:58,632 I've been with this whale since I was 18 years old 120 00:05:58,799 --> 00:06:01,594 and I've seen her have all four of her babies. 121 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,263 - ( Squeaking ) - We've grown up together. Huh? 122 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:06,015 That's the joy I got out of it. 123 00:06:06,181 --> 00:06:09,018 It's a relationship like I've never had. 124 00:06:26,035 --> 00:06:27,703 Dawn Brancheau: Bro, I have to know-- are you nervous? 125 00:06:27,870 --> 00:06:29,288 - I'm scared. -( laughter) 126 00:06:29,455 --> 00:06:30,914 - Ventre: Oh, no. - Gomersall: Nice hair, Jeff. 127 00:06:31,081 --> 00:06:32,374 ( laughter) 128 00:06:32,541 --> 00:06:34,460 ( cackling ) 129 00:06:35,502 --> 00:06:36,837 Did you see anything? 130 00:06:37,004 --> 00:06:39,798 Ventre: Projection for the future of Jeff Ventre. 131 00:06:39,965 --> 00:06:42,718 Jeff Ventre is going to go over there, he's going to shine. 132 00:06:42,885 --> 00:06:44,345 - You're going to notice... - Berg: Dawn. 133 00:06:44,511 --> 00:06:46,513 - Oh, that's Dawn. - Ventre: Wow. 134 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,682 He's going to be my supervisor one day. 135 00:06:48,849 --> 00:06:50,351 There you go. 136 00:06:53,103 --> 00:06:55,814 Ventre: I knew Dawn when she was new. 137 00:06:55,981 --> 00:06:57,066 She was a great person to work with 138 00:06:57,232 --> 00:07:00,903 and she obviously blossomed into one of SeaWorld's best trainers. 139 00:07:01,070 --> 00:07:02,404 This is Dawn Brancheau. 140 00:07:02,571 --> 00:07:05,824 Dawn is the senior trainer here at Shamu Stadium. 141 00:07:05,991 --> 00:07:08,827 I guess you could say I kind of knew Dawn in a past life. 142 00:07:08,994 --> 00:07:09,995 Reporter: It's a tough job, isn't it? 143 00:07:10,162 --> 00:07:12,373 Yeah, we really do go through a lot of physical exertion. 144 00:07:12,539 --> 00:07:14,875 You can see in the show we do a lot of deepwater work, 145 00:07:15,042 --> 00:07:17,920 breath holds, very high-energy behaviors with animals. 146 00:07:18,087 --> 00:07:19,713 Obviously they're giving out a lot of energy too, 147 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,091 but we're working together and having a lot of fun as well. 148 00:07:22,257 --> 00:07:25,135 She's beautiful, she's blonde, she's athletic, she's friendly. 149 00:07:25,302 --> 00:07:26,595 You know, everybody loves Dawn. 150 00:07:26,762 --> 00:07:28,138 And I mean this so sincerely, 151 00:07:28,305 --> 00:07:30,641 watching you perform yesterday-- you're amazing. 152 00:07:30,808 --> 00:07:32,226 - Thank you. - You really are. 153 00:07:32,393 --> 00:07:36,188 Berg: She captured what it means to be a SeaWorld trainer. 154 00:07:36,355 --> 00:07:38,399 She had so much experience that it made me realize 155 00:07:38,565 --> 00:07:41,652 what happened to her really could have happened to anyone. 156 00:07:48,450 --> 00:07:49,493 Revere: This is Detective Revere 157 00:07:49,660 --> 00:07:50,744 with the Orange County Sheriff's Office. 158 00:07:50,911 --> 00:07:53,372 Today's date is February 24, 2010. 159 00:07:53,539 --> 00:07:54,665 The time is 4:16. 160 00:07:54,832 --> 00:07:57,543 In the room with me right now is a Thomas George Tobin. 161 00:07:57,710 --> 00:07:59,169 - Is that correct? - Tobin: Correct. 162 00:08:18,897 --> 00:08:21,108 - Revere: So the arm is nowhere... - Tobin: Right. 163 00:08:30,075 --> 00:08:32,453 Jett: OSHA, on behalf of the federal government, 164 00:08:32,619 --> 00:08:34,872 is basically suggesting that swimming with orcas 165 00:08:35,038 --> 00:08:37,624 is inherently dangerous and that you can't completely predict 166 00:08:37,791 --> 00:08:41,295 the outcome when you enter the water or enter their environment. 167 00:08:41,462 --> 00:08:43,672 Dave Duff us: That's the crux of the OSHA case. 168 00:08:44,965 --> 00:08:48,844 Stay out of proximity with the animals and you won't get killed. 169 00:08:49,011 --> 00:08:51,972 It will have a ripple effect through the whole industry. 170 00:08:52,139 --> 00:08:54,266 This was national headline news. 171 00:08:54,433 --> 00:08:55,934 Martha Sugalski: SeaWorld's whale performances 172 00:08:56,101 --> 00:08:57,144 may never be the same. 173 00:08:57,311 --> 00:08:59,438 Right now the theme park is arguing in court 174 00:08:59,605 --> 00:09:01,106 to keep whale trainers in the water, 175 00:09:01,273 --> 00:09:03,609 something OSHA says is extremely dangerous. 176 00:09:03,776 --> 00:09:06,320 These are wild animals, and they are unpredictable 177 00:09:06,487 --> 00:09:07,738 because we don't speak whale. 178 00:09:07,905 --> 00:09:09,490 We don't speak whale, we don't speak tiger, 179 00:09:09,656 --> 00:09:11,283 we don't speak monkey. 180 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:13,243 Sugalski: And tempers flared between the two sides today 181 00:09:13,410 --> 00:09:16,246 when OSHA's attorney suggested that SeaWorld only made changes 182 00:09:16,413 --> 00:09:19,583 after trainer Dawn Brancheau's death outraged the public. 183 00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:22,127 Reporter: OSHA doesn't want the trainers going back in the water 184 00:09:22,294 --> 00:09:25,422 without a physical barrier between them and the whales. 185 00:09:25,589 --> 00:09:29,635 Being in close proximity to these top predators is too dangerous. 186 00:09:29,802 --> 00:09:31,220 Anderson Cooper: They won't then be getting in the water 187 00:09:31,386 --> 00:09:33,388 riding on the whales, things like that. 188 00:09:33,555 --> 00:09:36,809 If you were in a bathtub for 25 years, don't you think you'd get 189 00:09:36,975 --> 00:09:40,604 a little irritated, aggravated, maybe a little psychotic? 190 00:09:43,732 --> 00:09:47,069 The situation with Dawn Brancheau-- it didn't just happen. 191 00:09:47,236 --> 00:09:48,320 It's not a singular event. 192 00:09:48,487 --> 00:09:53,367 You have to go back over 20 years to understand this. 193 00:10:04,753 --> 00:10:06,839 It was a really exciting thing to do 194 00:10:07,005 --> 00:10:09,424 and so everybody wanted to do it. 195 00:10:09,591 --> 00:10:11,885 Interviewer: What were they telling you you were going to do? 196 00:10:12,052 --> 00:10:16,431 Mm, capture orcas. 197 00:10:16,598 --> 00:10:18,892 - Man: Whoo-hoo! -( plane buzzing ) 198 00:10:19,059 --> 00:10:20,310 Howard Garrett: They had aircraft, 199 00:10:20,477 --> 00:10:22,396 they had spotters, they had speedboats, 200 00:10:22,563 --> 00:10:25,148 they had bombs they were throwing in the water. 201 00:10:25,315 --> 00:10:26,316 ( Explosion ) 202 00:10:26,483 --> 00:10:30,028 They were lighting their bombs with acetylene torches in their boats 203 00:10:30,195 --> 00:10:31,989 and throwing them as fast as they could 204 00:10:32,155 --> 00:10:34,908 - to herd the whales into coves. - ( explosion ) 205 00:10:35,075 --> 00:10:36,535 Whoo! 206 00:10:36,702 --> 00:10:38,370 But the orcas had been caught before 207 00:10:38,537 --> 00:10:40,205 and they knew what was going on 208 00:10:40,372 --> 00:10:42,916 and they knew their young ones would be taken from them. 209 00:10:43,083 --> 00:10:48,171 So the adults without young went east into a cul-de-sac 210 00:10:48,338 --> 00:10:52,050 and the boats followed them, thinking they were all going that way, 211 00:10:52,217 --> 00:10:55,220 while the mothers with babies went north. 212 00:10:55,387 --> 00:10:57,389 But the capture teams had aircraft. 213 00:10:57,556 --> 00:11:00,100 And they have to come up for air eventually. 214 00:11:00,267 --> 00:11:03,145 And when they did, the capture teams alerted the boats 215 00:11:03,312 --> 00:11:06,398 and said, "Oh, no, they're going north-- the ones with babies." 216 00:11:06,565 --> 00:11:09,276 So the boats-- the speedboats caught them there 217 00:11:09,443 --> 00:11:10,944 and herded them in. 218 00:11:11,945 --> 00:11:14,364 And then they had fishing boats with seine nets 219 00:11:14,531 --> 00:11:17,534 that they would stretch across so none could leave 220 00:11:17,701 --> 00:11:20,078 and then they could just pick out the young ones. 221 00:11:30,255 --> 00:11:32,424 We were only after the little ones. 222 00:11:32,591 --> 00:11:36,553 And a little one is, you know, a big animal still. 223 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,014 But I was told because of shipping costs 224 00:11:39,181 --> 00:11:41,642 that's why they only take the little ones. 225 00:11:43,644 --> 00:11:47,439 Garrett: They had the young ones that they wanted in the corrals, 226 00:11:47,606 --> 00:11:48,899 so they dropped the seine nets. 227 00:11:49,066 --> 00:11:51,818 And all the others could have left, but they stayed. 228 00:11:55,489 --> 00:11:59,785 We're there, trying to get the young orca into the stretcher, 229 00:11:59,952 --> 00:12:03,121 and the whole famn damily is out here, 230 00:12:03,288 --> 00:12:05,123 25 yards away maybe, 231 00:12:05,290 --> 00:12:07,584 - in a big line... - ( orcas vocalizing ) 232 00:12:07,751 --> 00:12:10,671 ...and they're communicating back and forth. 233 00:12:10,837 --> 00:12:12,339 Well... 234 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,302 you understand then what you're doing, you know. 235 00:12:18,929 --> 00:12:21,515 ( Orcas vocalizing ) 236 00:12:22,516 --> 00:12:24,476 I-- I lost it. 237 00:12:24,643 --> 00:12:27,396 I mean, I just started crying. 238 00:12:27,562 --> 00:12:29,773 I didn't stop working, 239 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:31,692 but I... 240 00:12:31,858 --> 00:12:35,320 you know, I just couldn't handle it. 241 00:12:37,406 --> 00:12:40,659 Just like kidnapping a little kid away from their mother. 242 00:12:41,743 --> 00:12:44,496 Everybody's watching. What can you do? 243 00:12:47,082 --> 00:12:48,875 It's the worst thing I can think of, you know? 244 00:12:49,042 --> 00:12:51,628 I can't think of anything worse than that. 245 00:12:52,671 --> 00:12:55,507 Now, and this really sounds bad, 246 00:12:55,674 --> 00:12:58,969 but when the whole hunt was over, 247 00:12:59,136 --> 00:13:02,764 there were three dead whales in the net. 248 00:13:02,931 --> 00:13:05,308 And... 249 00:13:05,475 --> 00:13:09,521 so they had Peter and Brian and I... 250 00:13:10,522 --> 00:13:14,776 cut the whales open, fill them with rocks, 251 00:13:14,943 --> 00:13:17,320 put anchors on their tail, and sink them. 252 00:13:19,448 --> 00:13:20,991 Well... 253 00:13:22,451 --> 00:13:24,202 you know... 254 00:13:25,454 --> 00:13:28,165 really, I didn't even think about it 255 00:13:28,331 --> 00:13:30,042 being illegal at that point. 256 00:13:30,208 --> 00:13:32,335 I thought it was a PR thing. 257 00:13:33,336 --> 00:13:37,007 They were finally ejected from the State of Washington 258 00:13:37,174 --> 00:13:40,010 by a court order in 1976. 259 00:13:40,177 --> 00:13:42,637 It was SeaWorld by name that was told, 260 00:13:42,804 --> 00:13:46,016 "Do not come back to Washington to capture whales." 261 00:13:46,183 --> 00:13:50,353 Without missing a beat, they went from Washington to Iceland 262 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,522 and began capturing there. 263 00:13:56,234 --> 00:13:59,196 I've been part of a revolution and two change of presidents 264 00:13:59,362 --> 00:14:01,656 in Central and South America... 265 00:14:03,075 --> 00:14:06,745 and seen some things that's hard to believe, 266 00:14:06,912 --> 00:14:10,207 but this is the worst thing that I've ever done-- 267 00:14:11,291 --> 00:14:13,210 is hunt that whale. 268 00:14:47,285 --> 00:14:49,287 ( Instrumental music playing ) 269 00:14:49,454 --> 00:14:52,833 Narrator: Sealand has been a part of Victoria for over 20 years. 270 00:14:52,999 --> 00:14:56,878 We specialize in the care and display of killer whales. 271 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,925 By the time I started, when he was four, 272 00:15:02,092 --> 00:15:05,929 he was up to 16 feet long and weighed 4,000 pounds. 273 00:15:08,515 --> 00:15:09,641 Announcer: Tilikum, up again. 274 00:15:09,808 --> 00:15:11,226 - Thank you. - ( whistle blows ) 275 00:15:11,393 --> 00:15:13,687 I had actually seen Tilikum quite a number of times. 276 00:15:13,854 --> 00:15:16,940 He was right across the street here in Victoria. 277 00:15:17,107 --> 00:15:19,109 Announcer: Now, this show can get a little bit soggy at times. 278 00:15:19,276 --> 00:15:22,279 Balcomb: All Sealand was was a net hanging in a marina 279 00:15:22,445 --> 00:15:24,447 with a float around it. 280 00:15:25,657 --> 00:15:28,743 Tilikum was the one we really loved to work with. 281 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:32,747 He was very well behaved and he was always eager to please. 282 00:15:32,914 --> 00:15:36,168 When he was first introduced, everything just went fine and dandy, 283 00:15:36,334 --> 00:15:38,753 but the previous head trainer 284 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,423 used techniques that involved punishment. 285 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:45,677 He would team a trained orca up with Tilikum who was untrained. 286 00:15:45,844 --> 00:15:48,513 He would send them both off to do the same behavior. 287 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,350 If Tilikum didn't do it, then both animals were punished. 288 00:15:52,517 --> 00:15:54,811 Deprived of food to keep them hungry, 289 00:15:54,978 --> 00:15:57,772 this caused a lot of frustration with the larger animal, 290 00:15:57,939 --> 00:15:59,232 the established animal, 291 00:15:59,399 --> 00:16:01,776 and would in turn get frustrated with Tilikum 292 00:16:01,943 --> 00:16:04,362 and would rake him with his teeth. 293 00:16:04,529 --> 00:16:06,531 There would be times during certain seasons 294 00:16:06,698 --> 00:16:10,118 that Tilikum would be covered head to toe with rakes. 295 00:16:10,285 --> 00:16:13,038 Rakes are teeth on teeth and raking the skin. 296 00:16:13,205 --> 00:16:15,040 And from head to toe you could see blood 297 00:16:15,207 --> 00:16:18,960 and you could see scratches, and he would just be raked up. 298 00:16:19,127 --> 00:16:21,546 Walters: Both females would gang up on him. 299 00:16:21,713 --> 00:16:23,256 Tilikum was the one we trusted. 300 00:16:23,423 --> 00:16:25,634 We never were concerned about Tilikum. 301 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,970 The issue was really that we stored these whales at night 302 00:16:29,137 --> 00:16:32,307 in what we call a module, which was 20 feet across 303 00:16:32,474 --> 00:16:35,977 and probably 30 feet deep as a safety precaution 304 00:16:36,144 --> 00:16:38,605 because we were worried about people cutting the net and letting them go. 305 00:16:38,772 --> 00:16:41,691 And the lights were all turned out, so there was really no stimulation. 306 00:16:41,858 --> 00:16:45,862 They're just in this dark, metal 20x30-foot pool 307 00:16:46,029 --> 00:16:48,281 for two-thirds of their life. 308 00:16:52,285 --> 00:16:53,745 Huxter: When we first started, 309 00:16:53,912 --> 00:16:55,747 they were quite small and quite young. 310 00:16:55,914 --> 00:16:57,457 So they fit in there quite nicely, 311 00:16:57,624 --> 00:17:00,502 but they were immobile for the most part. 312 00:17:02,337 --> 00:17:05,048 It didn't feel good. It just didn't. 313 00:17:05,215 --> 00:17:07,092 And it was just wrong. 314 00:17:07,259 --> 00:17:09,302 We started having difficulty getting them all 315 00:17:09,469 --> 00:17:12,931 into this one small steel box, to be honest. 316 00:17:13,098 --> 00:17:15,016 That's what it was. It was a floating steel box. 317 00:17:15,183 --> 00:17:16,893 Walters: That's where food deprivation would come in. 318 00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:19,688 We would hold back food, 319 00:17:19,854 --> 00:17:21,189 and they would know if they went in the module 320 00:17:21,356 --> 00:17:22,357 that they would get their food. 321 00:17:22,524 --> 00:17:24,150 So if they're hungry enough, they're going to go in there. 322 00:17:24,317 --> 00:17:25,735 And during the winter that would be 323 00:17:25,902 --> 00:17:29,114 from 5:00 at night till 7:00 in the morning. 324 00:17:29,281 --> 00:17:30,949 When you let them out, you'd see these new tooth rakes 325 00:17:31,116 --> 00:17:32,867 and sometimes you'd see blood. 326 00:17:33,034 --> 00:17:35,412 Closing that door on him 327 00:17:35,578 --> 00:17:39,249 and knowing that he's locked in there for the whole night is like... 328 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:44,045 it's a stab, it's a "whoa." 329 00:17:44,212 --> 00:17:48,049 If that is true, it's not only inhumane, 330 00:17:48,216 --> 00:17:50,218 and I'll tell them so... ( chuckles ) 331 00:17:50,385 --> 00:17:54,597 but it probably led to what I think is a psychosis that... 332 00:17:56,141 --> 00:17:57,892 he was on a hair trigger. 333 00:17:58,059 --> 00:17:59,811 He'd kill. 334 00:18:00,979 --> 00:18:02,981 ( Seagulls screeching ) 335 00:18:07,277 --> 00:18:10,488 ( sirens wailing ) 336 00:18:10,655 --> 00:18:12,699 ( overlapping voices ) An employee is dead after an encounter... 337 00:18:12,866 --> 00:18:15,702 ...at a Canadian park called Sealand of the Pacific. 338 00:18:15,869 --> 00:18:18,580 The victim, Keltie Byrne, was a championship swimmer 339 00:18:18,747 --> 00:18:20,665 and a part-time worker at Sealand. 340 00:18:20,832 --> 00:18:24,252 As seen in this home video, rescuers used a huge net to try... 341 00:18:24,419 --> 00:18:27,047 ...rescue workers' efforts were hindered by the agitated whales. 342 00:18:27,213 --> 00:18:29,341 I'd like to make the Pan Pacific team this summer, 343 00:18:29,507 --> 00:18:33,803 but my more immediate goal is just to swim fast at nationals. 344 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,395 Kallen: It was sort of a cloudy, gray day 345 00:18:42,562 --> 00:18:44,230 and we were looking for something to do, 346 00:18:44,397 --> 00:18:46,649 so we thought, "Why not go to Sealand?" 347 00:18:46,816 --> 00:18:51,029 It was kind of like this dingy pool with these whales and-- 348 00:18:51,196 --> 00:18:53,406 it just felt a little bit like an amusement park 349 00:18:53,573 --> 00:18:57,452 that was kind of on its last legs and everything was a bit gray. 350 00:18:57,619 --> 00:18:59,371 Yeah. It was like a swimming pool. 351 00:18:59,537 --> 00:19:00,538 - Yeah, yeah. - You know, 352 00:19:00,705 --> 00:19:02,374 three whales in a swimming pool. 353 00:19:02,540 --> 00:19:03,541 Yeah. 354 00:19:03,708 --> 00:19:07,128 And they would come up and touch the ball and there was-- 355 00:19:07,295 --> 00:19:10,590 I think there was some tail splashing and there was some-- 356 00:19:10,757 --> 00:19:12,967 - Some jumping. - The fish. And-- 357 00:19:13,134 --> 00:19:16,513 They hold the fish and the whales jump up. 358 00:19:16,679 --> 00:19:19,933 I remember saying, "Oh, what a fun job. 359 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:23,520 You know, she's so lucky." 360 00:19:23,686 --> 00:19:27,065 And then I saw her walking with her rubber boots 361 00:19:27,232 --> 00:19:30,402 and she tripped and her foot just dipped into the edge of the pool 362 00:19:30,568 --> 00:19:33,029 and she lost her balance and fell in. 363 00:19:33,196 --> 00:19:36,783 And then she was pushing her way up to get out of the pool 364 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:39,452 and the whale zoomed over, grabbed her boot, 365 00:19:39,619 --> 00:19:41,079 and pulled her back in. 366 00:19:41,246 --> 00:19:43,331 At first, I didn't think it was that serious 367 00:19:43,498 --> 00:19:47,168 because you see the trainer in the pool with the whale 368 00:19:47,335 --> 00:19:50,713 and you think, "Oh, well, the whales are used to that." 369 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,425 And then all of a sudden, it started getting-- 370 00:19:53,591 --> 00:19:56,928 there was more swimming, more activity, more thrashing, 371 00:19:57,095 --> 00:19:58,847 and she was starting to get panicked. 372 00:19:59,013 --> 00:20:01,766 And then as it progressed, you started to realize, 373 00:20:01,933 --> 00:20:04,227 "Whoa, something's not right here." 374 00:20:04,394 --> 00:20:07,272 She started to scream and she started looking around 375 00:20:07,439 --> 00:20:09,691 and her eyes were, like, bigger and bigger 376 00:20:09,858 --> 00:20:12,485 and realizing that, "I really am in trouble here." 377 00:20:12,652 --> 00:20:15,697 And then they would pull her under. 378 00:20:15,864 --> 00:20:17,740 And then they would come up and then when she-- 379 00:20:17,907 --> 00:20:20,118 they came up, she'd be, "Help me, help me." 380 00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:21,619 And then they'd take her down again. 381 00:20:21,786 --> 00:20:25,206 And she would be submerged for several seconds 382 00:20:25,373 --> 00:20:27,625 up to, I don't know, maybe a minute. 383 00:20:27,792 --> 00:20:29,502 You're not keeping track. 384 00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:35,216 So it was harder and harder for her to get the air in 385 00:20:35,383 --> 00:20:36,718 because she was screaming. 386 00:20:36,885 --> 00:20:40,638 And my sister remembers her saying, "I don't want to die." 387 00:20:41,848 --> 00:20:43,808 ( exhales ) 388 00:20:45,351 --> 00:20:49,189 Well, condolences to Keltie's family. 389 00:20:49,355 --> 00:20:51,232 Yeah. 390 00:20:51,399 --> 00:20:53,109 That we couldn't help her 391 00:20:53,276 --> 00:20:55,236 was pretty wretched. 392 00:20:56,488 --> 00:20:58,656 Sealand closed. Well, it's probably a good thing. 393 00:20:58,823 --> 00:21:02,118 I mean, it was a little pond. 394 00:21:02,285 --> 00:21:04,120 And I think the owner, 395 00:21:04,287 --> 00:21:08,208 you know, made the right decision for whatever reasons. 396 00:21:08,374 --> 00:21:10,919 I don't believe he's a bad guy, a bad man. 397 00:21:11,085 --> 00:21:13,213 I think he was shocked by the whole affair, too. 398 00:21:14,214 --> 00:21:16,174 The blush was gone from the business 399 00:21:16,341 --> 00:21:19,636 and he decided that that was it. 400 00:21:19,802 --> 00:21:20,970 We should shut down. 401 00:21:21,137 --> 00:21:23,973 No one ever contacted us. There was an inquest. 402 00:21:24,140 --> 00:21:27,560 No one ever asked us to say what happened. 403 00:21:27,727 --> 00:21:29,771 - Yeah. - You know, we just left. 404 00:21:29,938 --> 00:21:33,149 There was no big lawsuits afterwards and there was no memorial. 405 00:21:33,316 --> 00:21:37,737 And the only thing remaining of Keltie Byrne is-- 406 00:21:37,904 --> 00:21:43,159 is what's left in the folks' minds who recall the case. 407 00:21:43,326 --> 00:21:45,328 So in the newspaper articles, 408 00:21:45,495 --> 00:21:48,373 the cause of death was that she drowned accidentally, 409 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:51,751 but she was pulled under by the whale. 410 00:21:51,918 --> 00:21:54,003 Well, there's a bit of smoke and mirrors going on. 411 00:21:54,170 --> 00:21:57,048 I mean, one of the fundamental facts is is that none of the witnesses 412 00:21:57,215 --> 00:22:01,010 were clear about which whale pulled Keltie in. 413 00:22:01,177 --> 00:22:03,721 Yes. Yeah, it was the large whale. 414 00:22:03,888 --> 00:22:06,933 Tilikum, the male, is the one that went after her. 415 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:09,852 And the other two just kind of circled around. 416 00:22:10,019 --> 00:22:12,313 But he was definitely the instigator. 417 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,734 And we knew it was that whale because he had the flopped-over fin. 418 00:22:16,901 --> 00:22:19,404 Like, it was very easy to tell. 419 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:27,620 Ventre: Sealand of the Pacific closed its doors and was looking, I guess, 420 00:22:27,787 --> 00:22:29,080 to make a buck on the way out 421 00:22:29,247 --> 00:22:31,332 and these whales are worth millions of dollars. 422 00:22:31,499 --> 00:22:34,043 When SeaWorld heard that Tilikum was available 423 00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:37,547 after this accident at Sealand of the Pacific, 424 00:22:37,714 --> 00:22:40,258 they really wanted Tilikum because they needed a breeder. 425 00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:42,802 So I don't even think that anybody even was questioning, 426 00:22:42,969 --> 00:22:44,804 like, is this a good idea? 427 00:22:44,971 --> 00:22:48,641 My understanding of the situation was that Tilikum and the others 428 00:22:48,808 --> 00:22:50,226 would not be used in shows. 429 00:22:50,393 --> 00:22:51,978 They would not be performance animals. 430 00:22:52,145 --> 00:22:53,479 Our understanding of their behavior 431 00:22:53,646 --> 00:22:56,274 was that it was such a highly stimulating event for them 432 00:22:56,441 --> 00:22:57,859 that they were likely to repeat it. 433 00:22:58,026 --> 00:23:00,737 Sealand was-- we were all young and bit of sea cowboys 434 00:23:00,903 --> 00:23:03,865 and we weren't so technical and scientific as SeaWorld, 435 00:23:04,032 --> 00:23:06,326 so we all had this vision that they knew more than us 436 00:23:06,492 --> 00:23:08,036 and they were better than us and Tilikum would have 437 00:23:08,202 --> 00:23:09,746 a bigger pool and he'd have a better life 438 00:23:09,912 --> 00:23:11,998 and he would have better care and he'd have better food 439 00:23:12,165 --> 00:23:14,208 and it'd be a great life for him. 440 00:23:14,375 --> 00:23:16,836 So it was like, "Okay, Tilly. 441 00:23:17,003 --> 00:23:20,256 You're going to Disneyland. Lucky you." 442 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,135 ( whale blows ) 443 00:23:26,804 --> 00:23:27,889 Narrator: The orcas' intelligence 444 00:23:28,056 --> 00:23:30,391 may be even superior to man's. 445 00:23:30,558 --> 00:23:33,770 As parents, they are exemplary, better than many human beings. 446 00:23:33,936 --> 00:23:38,149 And like human beings, they have a profound instinct for vengeance. 447 00:23:39,942 --> 00:23:41,194 ( Screaming ) 448 00:23:41,361 --> 00:23:42,737 Narrator: Dino De Laurentiis presents... 449 00:23:42,904 --> 00:23:45,156 - ( screaming ) - ..."Orca." 450 00:23:45,323 --> 00:23:49,994 If you go back only 35 years, we knew nothing. 451 00:23:50,161 --> 00:23:51,412 In fact, less than nothing. 452 00:23:51,579 --> 00:23:54,540 What the public had was superstition and fear. 453 00:23:54,707 --> 00:23:56,834 Narrator: A fight to the death... 454 00:23:58,461 --> 00:24:01,172 between the two most dangerous animals on Earth. 455 00:24:01,339 --> 00:24:02,882 What in hell are you?! 456 00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:04,926 Garrett: These were the vicious killer whales 457 00:24:05,093 --> 00:24:07,345 that, you know, had 48 sharp teeth 458 00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:10,098 that would rip you to shreds if they got a chance. 459 00:24:14,435 --> 00:24:18,272 What we learned is that they're amazingly friendly 460 00:24:18,439 --> 00:24:22,110 and understanding and intuitively want to be your companion. 461 00:24:22,276 --> 00:24:24,404 - ( Squeaking ) - Woman: Are you recording this? 462 00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:27,156 - ( Squeaking ) -( laughing ) 463 00:24:27,323 --> 00:24:29,534 And to this day there is no record 464 00:24:29,701 --> 00:24:32,787 of an orca doing any harm to any human in the wild. 465 00:24:46,342 --> 00:24:49,220 They live in these big families. 466 00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:53,975 And they have life spans very similar to human life spans. 467 00:24:54,142 --> 00:24:57,812 The females can live to about 100, maybe more, 468 00:24:57,979 --> 00:25:00,481 males to about 50 or 60. 469 00:25:00,648 --> 00:25:04,736 But the adult offspring never leave their mother's side. 470 00:25:04,902 --> 00:25:07,238 ( Whistling ) 471 00:25:07,405 --> 00:25:11,951 Each community has a completely different set of behaviors. 472 00:25:12,118 --> 00:25:13,578 ( Clicking ) 473 00:25:13,745 --> 00:25:17,790 Each has a complete repertoire of vocalizations 474 00:25:17,957 --> 00:25:20,877 - with no overlap. - ( whistling ) 475 00:25:21,043 --> 00:25:22,420 You could call them languages. 476 00:25:22,587 --> 00:25:24,922 The scientific community is reluctant to say 477 00:25:25,089 --> 00:25:27,633 any other animal but humans uses languages, 478 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,304 but there's every indication that they use languages. 479 00:25:31,471 --> 00:25:34,766 The orca brain just screams out 480 00:25:34,932 --> 00:25:37,268 intelligence, awareness. 481 00:25:37,435 --> 00:25:39,103 We took this tremendous brain 482 00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:42,774 and we put it in a magnetic resonance imaging scanner. 483 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:46,861 What we found was just astounding. 484 00:25:47,028 --> 00:25:49,947 They've got a part of the brain that humans don't have. 485 00:25:50,114 --> 00:25:53,534 A part of their brain has extended out 486 00:25:53,701 --> 00:25:56,496 right adjacent to their limbic system. 487 00:25:56,662 --> 00:25:59,415 The system processes emotions. 488 00:25:59,582 --> 00:26:02,668 The safest inference would be these are animals 489 00:26:02,835 --> 00:26:07,006 that have highly elaborated emotional lives. 490 00:26:07,173 --> 00:26:09,967 It's becoming clear that dolphins and whales 491 00:26:10,134 --> 00:26:13,471 have a sense of self, a sense of social bonding 492 00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:15,973 that they've taken to another level-- 493 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:18,643 much stronger, much more complex 494 00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:22,563 than in other mammals, including humans. 495 00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:24,941 We look at mass strandings, 496 00:26:25,107 --> 00:26:28,152 the fact that they stand by each other. 497 00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:31,447 Everything about them is social-- everything. 498 00:26:32,448 --> 00:26:35,993 It's been suggested that their whole sense of self 499 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,539 is distributed among the individuals in their group. 500 00:26:39,705 --> 00:26:41,499 Man: There are five of them. 501 00:26:41,666 --> 00:26:45,586 These orca are going to attack this seal on-- 502 00:26:45,753 --> 00:26:50,466 they've been breaking the ice off and swimming around him. 503 00:26:50,633 --> 00:26:52,385 Oh, here they come, two of them. Lookit, underneath there. 504 00:26:52,552 --> 00:26:54,053 You can see them underneath. 505 00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:56,597 They made a big wave. Look at that, a big wave. 506 00:26:56,764 --> 00:26:57,849 - Oh, yeah. - Woman: Whoa. 507 00:26:58,015 --> 00:27:00,476 - Man #2: Oh, God. - Woman #2: Oh, God. No, no, no. 508 00:27:00,643 --> 00:27:02,979 Oh! Oh, I can't stand it. 509 00:27:03,145 --> 00:27:05,565 Man: If you can't watch the bullfight, you'd better leave. 510 00:27:05,731 --> 00:27:08,484 Oh, yeah, here they go. Look at this-- three of them. 511 00:27:09,485 --> 00:27:10,486 Man #3: Look at this. Look at this. 512 00:27:10,653 --> 00:27:12,363 Woman #2: Oh, God. Oh, no! 513 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:14,031 - Oh, God! - Man: It's all over. 514 00:27:14,198 --> 00:27:16,200 Woman #3: Nope, not quite. 515 00:27:16,367 --> 00:27:19,328 - Man: Yeah, it's all over. -( people shouting ) 516 00:27:19,495 --> 00:27:21,247 Man: It's all over. 517 00:27:35,469 --> 00:27:38,973 Duff us: The First Nations people and the old fishermen on the coast, 518 00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:41,726 they call them "blackfish." 519 00:27:41,893 --> 00:27:46,063 They're an animal that possesses great spiritual power 520 00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:48,649 and they're not to be meddled with. 521 00:27:53,154 --> 00:27:55,323 I've spent a lot of time around killer whales 522 00:27:55,489 --> 00:27:57,033 and they're always in charge. 523 00:27:58,367 --> 00:28:01,078 I never get out of the boat, I never mess with them. 524 00:28:02,997 --> 00:28:05,499 The speed and the power is quite amazing. 525 00:28:09,003 --> 00:28:11,339 ( Boat engine revs ) 526 00:28:13,049 --> 00:28:14,926 Rules are the same as the pool hall-- 527 00:28:15,092 --> 00:28:18,054 keep one foot on the floor at all times. 528 00:28:21,974 --> 00:28:24,477 Even after seeing them thousands of times... 529 00:28:29,398 --> 00:28:31,275 you see them and you still-- ( gasps ) 530 00:28:31,442 --> 00:28:33,194 you know, wake up. 531 00:28:35,112 --> 00:28:37,281 ( Hydraulic machine whirs) 532 00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:48,751 He arrived, I think, in 1992. 533 00:28:48,918 --> 00:28:51,253 I was at Whale and Dolphin Stadium when he arrived. 534 00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:55,675 And he's twice as large as the next animal in the facility. 535 00:28:55,841 --> 00:28:56,842 Woman: Yay! 536 00:28:57,009 --> 00:28:58,386 Man: The guy is right at about 12,000 pounds. 537 00:28:58,552 --> 00:29:01,847 That's incredible. He looks fantastic. 538 00:29:02,014 --> 00:29:04,141 When Tilikum arrived at SeaWorld, 539 00:29:04,308 --> 00:29:09,271 he was attacked viciously, repeatedly by Katina and others. 540 00:29:09,438 --> 00:29:12,858 In the wild, it's a very matriarchal society. 541 00:29:13,025 --> 00:29:15,903 Male whales are kept at the perimeter. 542 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:17,613 - ( Vocalizing ) - In captivity, 543 00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:21,951 the animals are squeezed into very close proximity. 544 00:29:22,118 --> 00:29:24,245 Tilikum-- the poor guy is so large, 545 00:29:24,412 --> 00:29:28,040 he couldn't get away because he just is not as mobile 546 00:29:28,207 --> 00:29:31,043 relative to the smaller and more agile females. 547 00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:33,754 And where was he going to run? There's no place to run. 548 00:29:33,921 --> 00:29:36,424 Berg: I think he spent a lot of time in isolation. 549 00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:39,051 SeaWorld claims that, "Oh, no, he's always in with the other-- 550 00:29:39,218 --> 00:29:41,220 with the females," but from what I saw, 551 00:29:41,387 --> 00:29:44,015 he was mostly put with the females for breeding purposes 552 00:29:44,181 --> 00:29:48,269 and he didn't spend a lot of time, you know, with the other whales. 553 00:29:48,436 --> 00:29:51,897 It's for his own protection that he gets beat up. 554 00:29:52,064 --> 00:29:54,233 And so by segregating him, 555 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,363 it provides a physical barrier so the females can't kick his butt. 556 00:29:59,530 --> 00:30:02,158 Tilikum is pretty much kept in the back, 557 00:30:02,324 --> 00:30:06,662 and then brought out at the very end as, like, the big splash. 558 00:30:06,829 --> 00:30:08,247 ( Instrumental music playing ) 559 00:30:10,916 --> 00:30:13,794 He was always happy to see you in the morning. 560 00:30:13,961 --> 00:30:15,379 - Hi! - There we go. 561 00:30:15,546 --> 00:30:17,631 - You're the boy. - Look at his chompers. 562 00:30:17,798 --> 00:30:20,092 Ventre: Maybe because he was alone, maybe because he was hungry, 563 00:30:20,259 --> 00:30:21,469 maybe because he just liked you-- 564 00:30:21,635 --> 00:30:23,637 who knows what was going on in his head. 565 00:30:23,804 --> 00:30:25,973 - You want to whistle? - ( Tilikum whistling ) 566 00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:29,101 -( laughs ) - All right, so he can talk to us. 567 00:30:29,268 --> 00:30:30,728 - Yes. - You don't say. 568 00:30:30,895 --> 00:30:32,229 He's precious. Yes? 569 00:30:32,396 --> 00:30:33,606 That was really loud. Terrific. 570 00:30:33,773 --> 00:30:35,858 ( Sputters ) 571 00:30:36,025 --> 00:30:37,860 - Come on, big boy. - Show the pecs. 572 00:30:38,027 --> 00:30:40,362 Berg: He seemed to like to work. He seemed to be interested. 573 00:30:40,529 --> 00:30:42,907 He seemed to want to learn new things. 574 00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:46,118 He seemed to be enjoying working with the trainers. 575 00:30:47,953 --> 00:30:50,956 Jett: He, for me, was a joy. 576 00:30:51,123 --> 00:30:52,833 He really responded to me and I-- 577 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,795 you know, every day I went to work, I was happy to see Tilly. 578 00:30:55,961 --> 00:30:58,255 ( Woman laughs ) 579 00:30:58,422 --> 00:31:01,509 - Boop! - ( woman #2 laughs ) That's cute. 580 00:31:03,803 --> 00:31:05,471 ( laughs ) 581 00:31:05,638 --> 00:31:07,848 You're being too cute. 582 00:31:08,015 --> 00:31:10,684 Berg: I never got the impression of him while I was there 583 00:31:10,851 --> 00:31:13,938 that, oh, my God, he's the scary whale. 584 00:31:14,105 --> 00:31:15,106 Not at all. 585 00:31:15,272 --> 00:31:19,860 Maybe some of it's just our naiveté or whatever, 586 00:31:20,027 --> 00:31:22,571 you know, because we weren't given 587 00:31:22,738 --> 00:31:25,157 the full details of Keltie's situation. 588 00:31:25,324 --> 00:31:26,742 Woman: Turn around. Smile, buddy. 589 00:31:26,909 --> 00:31:28,661 - Cheese. - Woman: Yay! 590 00:31:28,828 --> 00:31:31,288 I was under the impression that Tilikum had nothing to do 591 00:31:31,455 --> 00:31:33,749 with her death specifically, that it was the female whales 592 00:31:33,916 --> 00:31:35,084 who were responsible for her death. 593 00:31:35,251 --> 00:31:38,087 What I found really odd at first was the way they were acting 594 00:31:38,254 --> 00:31:40,089 around this whale and what they had told us 595 00:31:40,256 --> 00:31:42,466 seemed to me to be two different things. 596 00:31:42,633 --> 00:31:44,385 The first day he arrived, I remember 597 00:31:44,552 --> 00:31:47,221 one of the senior trainers at SeaWorld, she-- 598 00:31:47,388 --> 00:31:50,474 Tilikum was in a pool and she was walking over a gate, 599 00:31:50,641 --> 00:31:53,269 and she had her wetsuit unzipped and it was tied around her waist. 600 00:31:53,435 --> 00:31:55,479 And she was making cooing noises and going, 601 00:31:55,646 --> 00:31:57,273 "Hey, Tilikum, what a cute little whale." 602 00:31:57,439 --> 00:32:00,192 And she was, like, just kind of play-talking at him, 603 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,988 and one of the supervisors said, "Get her out of there!" 604 00:32:04,155 --> 00:32:06,490 And just screamed at her, like, "Get her away from there," 605 00:32:06,657 --> 00:32:08,617 like they were so worried that something was going to happen. 606 00:32:08,784 --> 00:32:11,829 And I remember thinking, "Why are you guys making 607 00:32:11,996 --> 00:32:14,748 such a big deal out of this when he didn't actually kill her?" 608 00:32:14,915 --> 00:32:18,043 Well, clearly management thought there was some reason 609 00:32:18,210 --> 00:32:20,004 to exercise caution around him. 610 00:32:20,171 --> 00:32:22,798 You know, clearly they knew more than they were telling us. 611 00:32:22,965 --> 00:32:23,966 ( Instrumental music playing ) 612 00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:26,635 Ladies and gentlemen, the next two behaviors you're going to be seeing, 613 00:32:26,802 --> 00:32:29,054 you can only see right here at SeaWorld. 614 00:32:30,055 --> 00:32:33,684 Berg: Jeff was out in the audience filming one of the Shamu shows. 615 00:32:33,851 --> 00:32:35,102 It was a perfect show. 616 00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:36,520 All of the hot dog sequences, 617 00:32:36,687 --> 00:32:38,814 the water works sequences went off great. 618 00:32:41,609 --> 00:32:43,861 I was really excited just to be capturing this 619 00:32:44,028 --> 00:32:46,697 because it was kind of turning out to be a great show. 620 00:32:49,992 --> 00:32:52,369 A show that's kind of complete-- 621 00:32:52,536 --> 00:32:56,290 it doesn't-- it probably only happens a few times a week. 622 00:32:57,917 --> 00:33:00,669 At the very end of the show, Liz was working Tilikum 623 00:33:00,836 --> 00:33:02,922 and apparently Tilikum lunged out of the water at her. 624 00:33:03,088 --> 00:33:06,342 And I had captured Tilikum coming out of the water 625 00:33:06,508 --> 00:33:08,427 kind of turning sideways and appeared to me 626 00:33:08,594 --> 00:33:10,012 to try to grab Liz. 627 00:33:10,179 --> 00:33:12,181 And at that moment, 628 00:33:12,348 --> 00:33:14,475 the tape became unusable. 629 00:33:14,642 --> 00:33:17,895 I was just kind of basically instructed to get rid of the tape. 630 00:33:18,062 --> 00:33:21,315 Wanting to kind of preserve the tape, I actually used the editing equipment 631 00:33:21,482 --> 00:33:24,568 and snipped out that little half-second or second 632 00:33:24,735 --> 00:33:26,737 when he did that and stitched it back together 633 00:33:26,904 --> 00:33:29,240 so it just kind of looked like a glitch in the tape. 634 00:33:29,406 --> 00:33:31,367 And I'm like, "Look at this." And it was like, "No. 635 00:33:31,533 --> 00:33:32,952 This is no longer usable." 636 00:33:33,118 --> 00:33:35,412 You know, and so we had to destroy the tape. 637 00:34:13,701 --> 00:34:15,995 Ventre: It's pretty outrageous that SeaWorld would claim 638 00:34:16,161 --> 00:34:18,664 there was no expecting Tilikum to come out of the water 639 00:34:18,831 --> 00:34:20,624 because they had witnessed him coming out of the water, 640 00:34:20,791 --> 00:34:22,835 and it's written into his profile. 641 00:34:25,045 --> 00:34:27,047 He lunges at trainers. 642 00:34:30,884 --> 00:34:33,929 When we visit SeaWorld, we tend to take advantage of the fact 643 00:34:34,096 --> 00:34:37,641 that Shamu has been provided with a safe and comfortable habitat. 644 00:34:37,808 --> 00:34:39,727 And everything trained is an extension 645 00:34:39,893 --> 00:34:42,646 of the killer whale's natural behavior. 646 00:34:42,813 --> 00:34:45,983 I spewed out the party line during shows. 647 00:34:46,150 --> 00:34:47,901 I'm totally mortified now. 648 00:34:48,068 --> 00:34:51,947 There was like-- something like, "Look at Namu. 649 00:34:52,114 --> 00:34:54,867 Namu's not doing that because she has to." 650 00:34:55,034 --> 00:34:58,495 Namu is doing this because she really wants to. 651 00:34:58,662 --> 00:35:00,289 Oh, my gosh. 652 00:35:00,456 --> 00:35:02,541 Like, some of the things I'm embarrassed by, 653 00:35:02,708 --> 00:35:03,917 so embarrassed by. 654 00:35:05,919 --> 00:35:08,464 At the time, I think I could have convinced myself 655 00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:11,967 that the relationships that we had were built on something 656 00:35:12,134 --> 00:35:14,928 stronger than the fact that I'm giving them fish. 657 00:35:15,095 --> 00:35:16,597 You know, I like to think that... 658 00:35:16,764 --> 00:35:18,515 ( laughs ) 659 00:35:18,682 --> 00:35:21,143 but I don't know that that's the truth. 660 00:35:22,478 --> 00:35:24,104 ( Orca vocalizing ) 661 00:35:24,271 --> 00:35:27,775 I had been there a while and I had seen a few other things along the way 662 00:35:27,941 --> 00:35:31,278 that made me question why I was there 663 00:35:31,445 --> 00:35:33,113 and what we were doing with these animals. 664 00:35:36,784 --> 00:35:39,244 Narrator: On November 4, 1988, 665 00:35:39,411 --> 00:35:41,830 a killer whale at SeaWorld 666 00:35:41,997 --> 00:35:45,459 gave the performance of a lifetime. 667 00:35:52,383 --> 00:35:55,010 Don't miss this small miracle. 668 00:35:55,177 --> 00:35:58,931 Come see our new Baby Shamu. 669 00:35:59,098 --> 00:36:01,141 Ray: I know it was naive of me, 670 00:36:01,308 --> 00:36:03,102 but I thought that... 671 00:36:03,268 --> 00:36:05,437 ( clears throat ) 672 00:36:05,604 --> 00:36:07,773 it was our responsibility to do as much as we could 673 00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:09,566 to keep their family units together 674 00:36:09,733 --> 00:36:12,486 since we knew that in the wild that's what happens. 675 00:36:12,653 --> 00:36:14,905 ♪ Yes, sir, that's our baby... ♪ 676 00:36:15,072 --> 00:36:17,408 Ray: Kalina was the first Baby Shamu. 677 00:36:17,574 --> 00:36:20,160 Narrator: Baby Shamu-- SeaWorld's newest star... 678 00:36:20,327 --> 00:36:24,748 She had become quite disruptive and challenging her mom a little bit 679 00:36:24,915 --> 00:36:27,418 and disrupting some shows and that kind of thing. 680 00:36:27,584 --> 00:36:29,461 ♪ She's got the whole place jumpin' ♪ 681 00:36:29,628 --> 00:36:32,840 ♪ Shamu, she's that baby whale. ♪ 682 00:36:33,841 --> 00:36:35,676 It was decided by the higher-ups that she would be moved 683 00:36:35,843 --> 00:36:38,720 to another park when she was just four, four and a half years old. 684 00:36:38,887 --> 00:36:42,975 And that was news to us as trainers that were working with her. 685 00:36:43,142 --> 00:36:45,727 To me, it had never crossed my mind 686 00:36:45,894 --> 00:36:49,648 that they might be moving the baby from her mom. 687 00:36:52,734 --> 00:36:56,405 The supervisors basically was kind of mocking me, 688 00:36:56,572 --> 00:36:58,991 like, "Oh, you're saying, 'Poor Kalina,"' 689 00:36:59,158 --> 00:37:02,494 you know, "'what's she going to do without her mommy?"' 690 00:37:02,661 --> 00:37:05,414 And, you know-- and that of course just shut me up. 691 00:37:05,581 --> 00:37:06,915 ( laughs ) 692 00:37:07,082 --> 00:37:09,626 So, the night of the move, we had to deploy the nets 693 00:37:09,793 --> 00:37:13,755 to separate them and get Kalina, the baby, into the med pool. 694 00:37:13,922 --> 00:37:17,050 And Katina was generally a quiet whale. 695 00:37:17,217 --> 00:37:19,511 She was not an overly vocal whale. 696 00:37:19,678 --> 00:37:22,806 After, Kalina was removed from the scene 697 00:37:22,973 --> 00:37:25,851 and put on the truck and taken to the airport, 698 00:37:26,018 --> 00:37:28,520 and Katina, her mom, was left in the pool. 699 00:37:28,687 --> 00:37:32,274 She stayed in the corner of the pool, 700 00:37:32,441 --> 00:37:36,278 like, literally just shaking and screaming, 701 00:37:36,445 --> 00:37:37,529 screeching, crying. 702 00:37:37,696 --> 00:37:39,823 - ( Crying ) - Like, I had never seen her 703 00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:41,450 do anything like that. 704 00:37:41,617 --> 00:37:43,535 And the other females in the pool, 705 00:37:43,702 --> 00:37:45,078 maybe once or twice during the night 706 00:37:45,245 --> 00:37:46,914 they'd come out and check on her. 707 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,542 And she'd screech and cry and they would just run back. 708 00:37:52,711 --> 00:37:54,922 There was nothing that you could call that, 709 00:37:55,088 --> 00:37:58,091 watching it, besides grief. 710 00:37:59,676 --> 00:38:01,678 Those are not your whales. 711 00:38:01,845 --> 00:38:04,765 You know, you love them and you'll think, 712 00:38:04,932 --> 00:38:08,310 "I'm the one that touches them, feeds them, keeps them alive, 713 00:38:08,477 --> 00:38:10,771 gives them the care that they need." 714 00:38:10,938 --> 00:38:13,273 They're not your whales. 715 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,566 They own them. 716 00:38:15,943 --> 00:38:18,320 Kasatka and Takara were very close. 717 00:38:18,487 --> 00:38:22,282 Kasatka was the mother, Takara's the calf. 718 00:38:22,449 --> 00:38:24,284 Takara was special to me. 719 00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:27,955 They were inseparable. 720 00:38:28,121 --> 00:38:30,707 When they separated Kasatka and Takara, 721 00:38:30,874 --> 00:38:32,751 it was to take Takara to Florida. 722 00:38:32,918 --> 00:38:37,297 Once Takara had already been stretchered out of the pool, 723 00:38:37,464 --> 00:38:40,717 put on the truck, driven to the airport... 724 00:38:40,884 --> 00:38:42,261 ( clicking, crying ) 725 00:38:42,427 --> 00:38:45,889 Hargrove: Kasatka continued to make vocals 726 00:38:46,056 --> 00:38:48,016 that had never been heard before. 727 00:38:48,183 --> 00:38:49,851 - ( Crying continues ) - They brought in 728 00:38:50,018 --> 00:38:53,230 the senior research scientists to analyze the vocals. 729 00:38:53,397 --> 00:38:56,316 They were long-range vocals. 730 00:38:56,483 --> 00:38:58,944 - ( Crying ) - She was trying something 731 00:38:59,111 --> 00:39:03,198 that no one had even heard before looking for Takara. 732 00:39:03,365 --> 00:39:04,908 That's heartbreaking. 733 00:39:05,075 --> 00:39:06,368 ( Clicking, crying ) 734 00:39:06,535 --> 00:39:08,829 How can anyone 735 00:39:08,996 --> 00:39:13,709 look at that and think that that is morally acceptable? 736 00:39:13,875 --> 00:39:15,752 It's not. 737 00:39:15,919 --> 00:39:17,921 It is not okay. 738 00:39:19,881 --> 00:39:21,425 Woman: Stand by, Dean. 739 00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:23,176 Richard: Let's go live to SeaWorld 740 00:39:23,343 --> 00:39:26,013 where Dean Gomersall is joining us for a sneak peek. 741 00:39:26,179 --> 00:39:28,181 Hi, Dean. Tell us about the new show. 742 00:39:28,348 --> 00:39:29,558 Good afternoon, Richard. 743 00:39:29,725 --> 00:39:31,435 The new show is the Whale and Dolphin Discovery. 744 00:39:31,602 --> 00:39:33,729 What it does is it shows the relationship we have 745 00:39:33,895 --> 00:39:35,856 between all our animals here at the Whale... 746 00:39:36,023 --> 00:39:38,233 There's so many things that were told to us 747 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,527 that they tell us-- they tell you so many times 748 00:39:40,694 --> 00:39:42,112 that you just-- you start believing it. 749 00:39:42,279 --> 00:39:43,989 So all the animals here get along very well. 750 00:39:44,156 --> 00:39:45,949 It's just like training your dog, really. 751 00:39:46,116 --> 00:39:48,535 I was blind, you know. I was a kid. 752 00:39:48,702 --> 00:39:51,204 I didn't know what I was doing, really. 753 00:39:51,371 --> 00:39:52,664 - Man: Nice. - Woman: Good job. 754 00:39:52,831 --> 00:39:54,541 - You did a real good job. -( laughs ) 755 00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:56,710 ( instrumental music playing ) 756 00:40:02,299 --> 00:40:04,426 Ladies and gentlemen, this is David from Maryland. 757 00:40:04,593 --> 00:40:07,137 Go ahead and wave at everyone, David. 758 00:40:07,304 --> 00:40:10,140 Berg: I just really bought into what they told us. 759 00:40:10,307 --> 00:40:13,268 You know, I learned to say what they told us to the audience. 760 00:40:13,435 --> 00:40:14,436 Hello out there. 761 00:40:14,603 --> 00:40:16,605 Children are some of Shamu's biggest fans. 762 00:40:16,772 --> 00:40:18,607 We can do just about anything we want. 763 00:40:18,774 --> 00:40:21,234 I thought I knew everything about killer whales when I worked there, 764 00:40:21,401 --> 00:40:22,861 you know, and everything about these animals. 765 00:40:23,028 --> 00:40:24,655 I really know nothing about killer whales. 766 00:40:24,821 --> 00:40:26,948 I know a lot about being an animal trainer 767 00:40:27,115 --> 00:40:28,825 or a killer whale trainer, but I don't know anything 768 00:40:28,992 --> 00:40:31,703 about these animals' natural history or their behavior. 769 00:40:31,870 --> 00:40:34,831 I really in some ways believed a lot of what I was learning from them, 770 00:40:34,998 --> 00:40:36,375 because why would they lie? 771 00:40:36,541 --> 00:40:42,172 Because the whales in their pools die young, 772 00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:47,219 they like to say that all orcas die at 25 or 30 years. 773 00:40:47,386 --> 00:40:49,971 - 25 to 35 years. - 25 to 35 years. 774 00:40:50,138 --> 00:40:53,517 They're documented in the wild living to be about... 775 00:40:53,684 --> 00:40:55,435 35, mid-30s. 776 00:40:55,602 --> 00:40:57,562 They tend to live a lot longer in this environment 777 00:40:57,729 --> 00:40:59,189 because they have all the veterinary care. 778 00:40:59,356 --> 00:41:00,982 Garrett: And of course that's false. 779 00:41:01,149 --> 00:41:05,487 We knew by 1980, after half a dozen years of the research, 780 00:41:05,654 --> 00:41:09,241 that they live equivalent to human life spans. 781 00:41:09,408 --> 00:41:13,620 And every other potentially embarrassing fact is twisted 782 00:41:13,787 --> 00:41:16,164 and turned and denied one way or another. 783 00:41:16,331 --> 00:41:17,666 Woman: So, in the wild, they live... 784 00:41:17,833 --> 00:41:19,000 - Less. - Less. 785 00:41:19,167 --> 00:41:20,919 Like the floppy dorsal fins. 786 00:41:21,086 --> 00:41:24,881 25% of whales have a fin that turns over like that 787 00:41:25,048 --> 00:41:26,216 as they get older. 788 00:41:26,383 --> 00:41:30,387 Dorsal collapse happens in less than 1% of wild killer whales. 789 00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:31,555 We know this. 790 00:41:31,722 --> 00:41:36,685 All the captive males 100% have collapsed dorsal fins. 791 00:41:36,852 --> 00:41:40,313 And they say that they're a family, that the whales are in their family. 792 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,898 They have their pods. 793 00:41:42,065 --> 00:41:46,528 But that's just an artificial assemblage of their collection, 794 00:41:46,695 --> 00:41:49,906 however management decides they should mix them 795 00:41:50,073 --> 00:41:52,242 and whichever ones happen to be born 796 00:41:52,409 --> 00:41:54,411 or bought and brought in. 797 00:41:54,578 --> 00:41:57,164 That's not a family, you know. Come on. 798 00:41:57,330 --> 00:41:58,331 ( Vocalizing ) 799 00:41:58,498 --> 00:42:00,709 Ventre: You've got animals from different cultural subsets 800 00:42:00,876 --> 00:42:02,753 that have been brought in from various parks. 801 00:42:02,919 --> 00:42:03,920 These are different nations. 802 00:42:04,087 --> 00:42:06,047 These aren't just two different killer whales. 803 00:42:06,214 --> 00:42:08,800 These animals, they've got different genes, 804 00:42:08,967 --> 00:42:12,053 they use different languages. 805 00:42:13,638 --> 00:42:16,183 Marino: Well, what could happen as a result of them being 806 00:42:16,349 --> 00:42:19,060 thrown in with other whales that they haven't grown up with, 807 00:42:19,227 --> 00:42:21,521 that are not part of their culture 808 00:42:21,688 --> 00:42:23,690 is there's hyperaggression... 809 00:42:23,857 --> 00:42:26,026 ( instrumental music playing ) 810 00:42:26,193 --> 00:42:29,321 ...a lot of violence, a lot of killing in captivity 811 00:42:29,488 --> 00:42:32,657 that you don't ever see in the wild. 812 00:42:32,824 --> 00:42:34,910 Announcer: For the health and safety of the animals, 813 00:42:35,076 --> 00:42:37,287 please do not put your hands in the water. 814 00:42:37,454 --> 00:42:39,164 Jett: It was always sort of this backdrop, 815 00:42:39,331 --> 00:42:43,210 this underpinning of tension between animals. 816 00:42:43,376 --> 00:42:48,799 Whale-on-whale aggression was just part of your-- the daily existence. 817 00:42:48,965 --> 00:42:52,844 Announcer: We ask that you use the stairs and aisleways as you exit. 818 00:42:53,011 --> 00:42:55,138 Please do not step on the seats. 819 00:42:55,305 --> 00:42:57,140 These areas may become wet 820 00:42:57,307 --> 00:42:59,601 and therefore slippery to some footwear. 821 00:42:59,768 --> 00:43:00,769 Thank you. 822 00:43:00,936 --> 00:43:03,396 ♪ Blue wonder... ♪ 823 00:43:03,563 --> 00:43:05,273 In the wild, when there's tension, 824 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,275 they've got thousands of square miles 825 00:43:07,442 --> 00:43:11,154 to exit the scene and they can get away. 826 00:43:11,321 --> 00:43:13,824 You don't have that in captivity. 827 00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:17,410 Could you imagine being in a small concrete enclosure for your life 828 00:43:17,577 --> 00:43:20,163 when you're used to swimming 100 miles a day? 829 00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:24,000 ♪ Free-feeling... ♪ 830 00:43:24,167 --> 00:43:26,878 Jett: Sometimes this aggression became very severe 831 00:43:27,045 --> 00:43:31,842 and, in fact, whales have died in captivity because of this aggression. 832 00:43:32,008 --> 00:43:33,260 Ventre: I think it was 1988. 833 00:43:33,426 --> 00:43:36,179 Kandu, trying to assert her dominance over Corky, 834 00:43:36,346 --> 00:43:38,139 rammed Corky. 835 00:43:38,306 --> 00:43:42,853 It fractured her jaw, which cut an artery in her head 836 00:43:43,019 --> 00:43:44,980 and then she bled out. 837 00:43:46,648 --> 00:43:49,818 Now that's got to be a hard way to go down. 838 00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:55,198 I saw that there was just a lot of things that weren't right. 839 00:43:55,365 --> 00:43:57,033 And there was a lot of it-- misinformation-- 840 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,536 and something was amiss. 841 00:43:59,703 --> 00:44:02,622 And, you know, I sort of compartmentalized that part of it 842 00:44:02,789 --> 00:44:05,500 and did the best that I could with the knowledge that I had 843 00:44:05,667 --> 00:44:07,544 to take care of the animals that were there. 844 00:44:07,711 --> 00:44:10,338 You know, I think all the trainers there have the same thing in their heart. 845 00:44:10,505 --> 00:44:13,383 They're trying to make a difference in the lives of the animals. 846 00:44:14,426 --> 00:44:18,346 You think that, "if I leave, who's going to take care of Tilikum?" 847 00:44:18,513 --> 00:44:21,641 That's why I stayed. Because I felt sorry for Tilikum. 848 00:44:21,808 --> 00:44:23,643 I mean, if you want to get down to the nuts and bolts of it, 849 00:44:23,810 --> 00:44:26,104 I stayed because I felt sorry for Tilikum. 850 00:44:26,271 --> 00:44:30,150 And I couldn't bring myself to stop coming 851 00:44:30,317 --> 00:44:32,110 and trying to take care of him. 852 00:44:36,448 --> 00:44:38,283 ( Instrumental music playing ) 853 00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:44,539 ( crowd cheering ) 854 00:44:44,706 --> 00:44:46,583 Brancheau: Gosh, do I love coming out here every day 855 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:50,337 and having the audience just love what we're doing with the animals. 856 00:44:50,503 --> 00:44:52,839 How do I make this animal as beautiful as they are 857 00:44:53,006 --> 00:44:55,467 and have people walk away loving this animal? 858 00:44:55,634 --> 00:44:57,052 And they're touched and they're moved 859 00:44:57,218 --> 00:44:59,930 and I feel like I made a difference to them. 860 00:45:00,096 --> 00:45:02,557 I left in January of 2010, 861 00:45:02,724 --> 00:45:05,268 a month before Dawn passed away. 862 00:45:06,269 --> 00:45:08,855 She was like a safety guru. 863 00:45:09,022 --> 00:45:11,566 I mean, she was always double-checking, 864 00:45:11,733 --> 00:45:13,401 making sure that everyone was doing the right thing. 865 00:45:13,568 --> 00:45:16,071 So I remember she would record every show that she did 866 00:45:16,237 --> 00:45:18,782 and she would watch it and critique herself. 867 00:45:18,949 --> 00:45:22,202 She was constantly trying to be better. 868 00:45:22,369 --> 00:45:24,371 When I found out it was Dawn, 869 00:45:24,537 --> 00:45:26,790 I was shocked. 870 00:45:27,832 --> 00:45:30,251 That could have been me. I could have been the spotter. 871 00:45:30,418 --> 00:45:32,545 What if I was there and I could have saved her? 872 00:45:32,712 --> 00:45:35,298 You know, all these things go through your mind. 873 00:45:47,310 --> 00:45:49,396 Berg: John Sillick is the guy who, in 1987, 874 00:45:49,562 --> 00:45:52,857 was crushed between two whales at SeaWorld of San Diego. 875 00:45:53,024 --> 00:45:56,236 Now, even though I'd been working at SeaWorld for six months, 876 00:45:56,403 --> 00:45:58,154 I had no idea that that had even happened. 877 00:45:58,321 --> 00:45:59,572 I never even heard that story. 878 00:45:59,739 --> 00:46:02,993 And the SeaWorld party line was that, well, that was-- it was a trainer error. 879 00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,036 It was John's fault. You know, John's fault. 880 00:46:05,203 --> 00:46:06,746 He was supposed to get off that whale. 881 00:46:06,913 --> 00:46:09,666 And for years, I believed that and I told people that. 882 00:46:17,716 --> 00:46:21,302 I actually started at SeaWorld, like, five days after that event occurred 883 00:46:21,469 --> 00:46:24,347 and we didn't-- we weren't told much about it 884 00:46:24,514 --> 00:46:27,642 other than it was trainer error. 885 00:46:27,809 --> 00:46:30,895 And, you know, especially when you're new into the program, 886 00:46:31,062 --> 00:46:32,313 you don't really question a whole lot. 887 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,566 Well, you know, years later, when you actually look at the footage, 888 00:46:34,733 --> 00:46:36,693 you go, "You know what? He didn't do anything wrong." 889 00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:38,278 That whale just landed on him, you know. 890 00:46:38,445 --> 00:46:40,739 That whale just went to the wrong spot. 891 00:46:40,905 --> 00:46:42,449 It could have been aggression. Who knows? 892 00:46:42,615 --> 00:46:45,618 But it was not the trainer's fault at all, watching that video. 893 00:46:50,331 --> 00:46:53,710 When I saw the video of the killer whale landing on John, 894 00:46:53,877 --> 00:46:55,420 I mean, it just absolutely took my breath away. 895 00:46:55,587 --> 00:46:56,588 L9aSped. 896 00:46:56,755 --> 00:46:57,797 I watched it two or three times, 897 00:46:57,964 --> 00:46:59,382 and every time I saw that, I just gasped. 898 00:46:59,549 --> 00:47:00,967 I could not believe what I was seeing. 899 00:47:01,134 --> 00:47:02,927 What kept his body together is-- 900 00:47:03,094 --> 00:47:04,971 his wetsuit basically held him together. 901 00:47:05,138 --> 00:47:06,514 But I know he's had multiple surgeries 902 00:47:06,681 --> 00:47:08,808 and he's got tons of hardware in his body. 903 00:47:08,975 --> 00:47:11,978 And it's hard for me to believe that I didn't actually see that video 904 00:47:12,145 --> 00:47:14,355 while I was actually an animal trainer 905 00:47:14,522 --> 00:47:16,566 because it seems to me that every person 906 00:47:16,733 --> 00:47:19,152 who works with killer whales should have to watch that video. 907 00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:20,445 ( VCR clicks ) 908 00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:26,201 Harg rove: Tamarie-- 909 00:47:26,367 --> 00:47:28,453 you know, Tamarie made mistakes. 910 00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:31,790 The most important one was interacting with whales 911 00:47:31,956 --> 00:47:33,792 without a spotter. 912 00:47:35,210 --> 00:47:37,921 So she's putting her foot on Orkid, 913 00:47:38,088 --> 00:47:39,547 she's taking her foot off. 914 00:47:39,714 --> 00:47:43,218 She's putting her foot on Orkid, her rostrum, she's taking it off. 915 00:47:43,384 --> 00:47:45,970 Watching the video, knowing Orkid, 916 00:47:46,137 --> 00:47:49,682 your stomach drops because you know what's probably going to happen. 917 00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:52,227 She grabbed her foot. 918 00:47:52,393 --> 00:47:55,563 Tamarie whips around and she grabs the gate. 919 00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:58,399 You see herjust ripped from the gate. 920 00:48:00,527 --> 00:48:02,987 At this point, Tamarie knows that she's in trouble. 921 00:48:03,154 --> 00:48:04,447 She's under the water. 922 00:48:04,614 --> 00:48:06,616 Splash and Orkid both have her. 923 00:48:06,783 --> 00:48:08,451 She's totally out of view. 924 00:48:08,618 --> 00:48:11,162 No other trainer knows that this is happening. 925 00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:12,580 People start to scream. 926 00:48:12,747 --> 00:48:15,875 It was a park guest that was filming it. 927 00:48:16,042 --> 00:48:17,794 You hear-- you don't see her, 928 00:48:17,961 --> 00:48:21,464 but you hear Tamarie surface. 929 00:48:21,631 --> 00:48:25,135 You hear herjust scream out, "Somebody help me." 930 00:48:25,301 --> 00:48:27,720 And the way she screamed it, 931 00:48:27,887 --> 00:48:29,389 it was just such a bloodcurdling-- 932 00:48:29,556 --> 00:48:32,642 like she knew she was going to die. 933 00:48:34,144 --> 00:48:37,397 Robin-- when he ran over, he made a brilliant decision. 934 00:48:37,564 --> 00:48:40,942 He told a trainer to run and take the chain off Kasatka's gate. 935 00:48:42,068 --> 00:48:44,737 By taking that chain off, it would give the precursor to Orkid 936 00:48:44,904 --> 00:48:46,489 that Kasatka was coming in. 937 00:48:46,656 --> 00:48:49,576 Kasatka's more dominant than Orkid, 938 00:48:49,742 --> 00:48:52,620 so Orkid let her go. 939 00:48:52,787 --> 00:48:57,041 Her arm, it was U-shaped. 940 00:48:57,208 --> 00:48:59,419 It was compound fractured. 941 00:49:01,462 --> 00:49:04,674 She's very lucky to be alive, that's for sure. 942 00:49:18,062 --> 00:49:20,773 Berg: I believe it's 70 plus, maybe even more, 943 00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:23,443 just killer whale trainer accidents. 944 00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:27,947 Maybe 30 of them happened prior to me being actually hired at SeaWorld. 945 00:49:28,114 --> 00:49:29,407 And I knew about none of them. 946 00:49:33,536 --> 00:49:36,331 Ventre: I've seen animals come out at trainers. 947 00:49:41,252 --> 00:49:42,795 Man: Something's wrong. 948 00:49:42,962 --> 00:49:44,464 I've seen people get slammed. 949 00:49:57,435 --> 00:50:01,356 The whales, they're just playing or-- or they're upset for a second. 950 00:50:10,281 --> 00:50:12,408 It was just something that happened, you know? 951 00:50:12,575 --> 00:50:15,078 Jett: This culture of "You get back on the horse 952 00:50:15,245 --> 00:50:16,955 and you dive back in the water. 953 00:50:17,121 --> 00:50:19,999 And if you're hurt, well, then we've got other people that will replace you." 954 00:50:20,166 --> 00:50:22,585 And, "You came a long way. Are you sure you want that?" 955 00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:34,347 Meredith Vieira: A SeaWorld trainer is recovering today 956 00:50:34,514 --> 00:50:37,934 after a terrifying ordeal in front of a horrified audience. 957 00:50:38,101 --> 00:50:40,103 ( Instrumental music playing ) 958 00:51:04,002 --> 00:51:07,547 Duff us: For some reason, the whale just took a different approach 959 00:51:07,714 --> 00:51:09,507 to what it was going to do 960 00:51:09,674 --> 00:51:12,969 with a very senior, very experienced trainer, Ken Peters, 961 00:51:13,136 --> 00:51:14,846 and dragged him to the bottom of the pool 962 00:51:15,013 --> 00:51:16,639 and held him at the bottom. 963 00:51:18,474 --> 00:51:20,810 Let him go, picked him up, 964 00:51:20,977 --> 00:51:22,395 took him down again. 965 00:51:29,444 --> 00:51:34,115 And these periods he was taken down were pretty close to the mark. 966 00:51:34,282 --> 00:51:38,077 You know, a minute, a minute 20. 967 00:51:42,623 --> 00:51:44,751 When he was at the surface, he didn't panic, 968 00:51:44,917 --> 00:51:46,586 he didn't thrash, he didn't scream. 969 00:51:46,753 --> 00:51:48,546 Maybe he's just built that way. 970 00:51:48,713 --> 00:51:51,424 But he stroked the whale. 971 00:51:55,553 --> 00:51:58,389 And the whale let go of one foot and grabbed the other. 972 00:52:16,949 --> 00:52:20,328 That's a pretty deep pool and he took him right down. 973 00:52:20,495 --> 00:52:22,955 I think that's to two atmospheres of pressure. 974 00:52:23,122 --> 00:52:26,250 Apparently, Mr. Peters is an experienced scuba diver 975 00:52:26,417 --> 00:52:28,002 and I think that knowledge probably contributed 976 00:52:28,169 --> 00:52:30,088 to how he was able to be hauled down there 977 00:52:30,254 --> 00:52:33,424 that quickly and stay calm and know what to do. 978 00:52:35,843 --> 00:52:38,846 He knew what he was doing because you can see him actually in the film. 979 00:52:39,013 --> 00:52:40,681 It's-- the def is so good, you can see him ventilating. 980 00:52:40,848 --> 00:52:42,517 You can see him ventilating really hard. 981 00:52:42,683 --> 00:52:45,770 So he knows about swimming and diving and being underwater. 982 00:52:45,937 --> 00:52:49,232 He may have been assuming he was going under again. 983 00:52:49,399 --> 00:52:54,070 I did not walk away unimpressed by his calm demeanor 984 00:52:54,237 --> 00:52:56,030 during that whole affair. 985 00:52:59,450 --> 00:53:01,411 I would be scared shitless. 986 00:53:19,846 --> 00:53:21,848 He was near to the end. 987 00:53:23,724 --> 00:53:28,271 Presumably, Ken Peters had a relationship with this whale. 988 00:53:28,438 --> 00:53:30,940 Maybe he did. Maybe that's what saved him. 989 00:53:31,107 --> 00:53:34,944 But Peters got the whale to let him go. 990 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,864 And they strung a net across. 991 00:53:46,497 --> 00:53:51,043 And Ken Peters pulled himself over the float line 992 00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:54,130 and swam like a demon to a slide-out 993 00:53:54,297 --> 00:53:57,008 because the whale was coming right behind him. 994 00:53:57,175 --> 00:53:59,510 The whale jumped over and came right after him. 995 00:53:59,677 --> 00:54:00,887 He tried to stand up and run. 996 00:54:01,053 --> 00:54:02,138 Of course, his feet were damaged. 997 00:54:02,305 --> 00:54:05,308 I mean, he just fell and he scrambled. 998 00:54:07,602 --> 00:54:09,479 And they take this as a prime example 999 00:54:09,645 --> 00:54:11,230 of their training working. 1000 00:54:11,397 --> 00:54:15,193 And they say, "Just stand back and stay calm," and that did work. 1001 00:54:16,235 --> 00:54:19,822 They claim this as a victory 1002 00:54:19,989 --> 00:54:21,949 of how they do business. 1003 00:54:27,038 --> 00:54:30,333 And maybe so, but it can also be interpreted 1004 00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:34,045 as a hair's breadth away from another fatality. 1005 00:54:40,843 --> 00:54:42,637 All: Hi, Shamu. Hi, everybody. 1006 00:54:42,803 --> 00:54:45,181 We're the Johnsons from Detroit, Michigan. 1007 00:54:45,348 --> 00:54:47,225 We sure had a great time when we visited SeaWorld. 1008 00:54:47,391 --> 00:54:48,809 It's one of our favorite places. 1009 00:54:48,976 --> 00:54:52,230 Yeah, I like the part when Shamu gets everybody wet. 1010 00:54:52,396 --> 00:54:54,524 When the whales get close to the glass 1011 00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:56,150 and start kicking out the water? 1012 00:54:56,317 --> 00:54:57,902 Whamo! You're a goner. 1013 00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:59,070 ( Instrumental music playing ) 1014 00:54:59,237 --> 00:55:01,697 ( crowd screaming ) 1015 00:55:07,787 --> 00:55:11,791 Orange County's sheriff's deputies have identified the 27-year-old man 1016 00:55:11,958 --> 00:55:14,794 found dead in a killer whale's tank at SeaWorld. 1017 00:55:14,961 --> 00:55:18,714 The victim is Daniel P. Dukes from South Carolina. 1018 00:55:18,881 --> 00:55:21,717 Dukes was found yesterday draped over the back of Tilikum, 1019 00:55:21,884 --> 00:55:24,720 the largest orca held in captivity. 1020 00:55:24,887 --> 00:55:28,015 Well, all I know is the public relations version of it-- 1021 00:55:28,182 --> 00:55:31,060 he was a young man that had been arrested 1022 00:55:31,227 --> 00:55:33,854 not long before he snuck into SeaWorld. 1023 00:55:34,021 --> 00:55:35,690 Maybe he climbed the barbed wire fence 1024 00:55:35,856 --> 00:55:39,068 around the perimeter and stayed after hours. 1025 00:55:39,235 --> 00:55:42,697 Perfect story line-- a mentally disturbed guy 1026 00:55:42,863 --> 00:55:45,700 hides in the park after hours and strips his clothes off 1027 00:55:45,866 --> 00:55:48,953 and decides he wants to have a magical experience with an orca 1028 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,998 and drowns because he became hypothermic. 1029 00:55:52,164 --> 00:55:54,041 Right. So that's the story line 1030 00:55:54,208 --> 00:55:56,002 and none of us were there to know the difference. 1031 00:55:56,168 --> 00:55:59,714 He was not detected by the night watch trainers 1032 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,924 who were presumably at that station. 1033 00:56:02,091 --> 00:56:03,926 There are cameras all over SeaWorld. 1034 00:56:04,093 --> 00:56:06,345 There are cameras all over the back of Shamu Stadium 1035 00:56:06,512 --> 00:56:07,513 pointing every which way. 1036 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,765 There are underwater cameras. 1037 00:56:09,932 --> 00:56:13,811 I find it hard to believe that nobody knew until the morning 1038 00:56:13,978 --> 00:56:15,813 that there was a body in there. 1039 00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:18,608 They have a night watch trainer every night. 1040 00:56:18,774 --> 00:56:21,777 That person didn't hear any splashing or screaming? 1041 00:56:21,944 --> 00:56:25,281 I mean, I just find that really suspicious. 1042 00:56:25,448 --> 00:56:26,741 One of the employees-- 1043 00:56:26,907 --> 00:56:28,826 I don't know if it was a physical therapist or somebody-- 1044 00:56:28,993 --> 00:56:33,247 was coming in in the morning and there was Tilikum, 1045 00:56:33,414 --> 00:56:36,167 you know, with a dead guy, a dead, naked guy on his back, 1046 00:56:36,334 --> 00:56:40,379 kind of parading him around the back pool. 1047 00:56:40,546 --> 00:56:43,174 The public relations spin on this was that 1048 00:56:43,341 --> 00:56:46,886 he was kind of a drifter and died of hypothermia. 1049 00:56:47,053 --> 00:56:50,723 But the medical examiner reports 1050 00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:52,892 were more graphic than that. 1051 00:56:53,059 --> 00:56:55,686 For example, Tilikum stripped him, 1052 00:56:55,853 --> 00:56:57,355 bit off his genitals. 1053 00:56:57,521 --> 00:56:59,940 There was bite marks all over his body. 1054 00:57:00,107 --> 00:57:04,028 Now, whether that was post-death or pre-death, I don't know. 1055 00:57:04,195 --> 00:57:06,822 But, yeah, all I can comment on 1056 00:57:06,989 --> 00:57:09,950 is that the guy definitely jumped in the wrong pool. 1057 00:57:17,208 --> 00:57:19,835 So why keep Tilikum there? 1058 00:57:20,002 --> 00:57:22,713 This guy, he has a proven track record of killing people. 1059 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,633 He's clearly a liability to the institution. 1060 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,719 Why keep him around? Well, it's quite simple to answer. 1061 00:57:28,886 --> 00:57:31,222 And that is that his semen is worth a lot of money. 1062 00:57:40,981 --> 00:57:42,858 Berg: Over the years, Tilikum has been 1063 00:57:43,025 --> 00:57:45,736 one of the main breeding whales at SeaWorld. 1064 00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:52,493 It's brilliant because they can inseminate way more female whales, 1065 00:57:52,660 --> 00:57:54,662 because they can just get his sperm and freeze it. 1066 00:57:54,829 --> 00:57:56,872 And then he's basically operating as a sperm bank. 1067 00:57:58,666 --> 00:58:00,960 In a reputable breeding program, rule number one 1068 00:58:01,127 --> 00:58:03,921 is you certainly would not breed an animal that has shown 1069 00:58:04,088 --> 00:58:06,757 a history of aggression towards humans. 1070 00:58:06,924 --> 00:58:09,927 Imagine if you had a pit bull who had killed. 1071 00:58:10,094 --> 00:58:12,096 That animal would have likely been put down. 1072 00:58:12,263 --> 00:58:14,140 But in the entire SeaWorld collection-- 1073 00:58:14,306 --> 00:58:17,685 it's like 54% of the whales in SeaWorld's collection 1074 00:58:17,852 --> 00:58:20,563 now have Tilikum's genes. 1075 00:58:27,528 --> 00:58:30,531 ( Applause ) 1076 00:58:33,784 --> 00:58:36,620 The fall is to assume that all killer whales are like Tilikum. 1077 00:58:36,787 --> 00:58:38,748 You have to look at their learning history from birth. 1078 00:58:38,914 --> 00:58:42,376 You have to understand why Tilikum was a hazard 1079 00:58:42,543 --> 00:58:44,128 to anybody in the water. 1080 00:58:44,295 --> 00:58:47,506 And you have to understand that none of the other killer whales at SeaWorld 1081 00:58:47,673 --> 00:58:48,924 that are in that system are that way. 1082 00:58:49,091 --> 00:58:51,552 Interviewer: What about the incident at Loro Parque? 1083 00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:53,179 First of all, I-- I can't-- 1084 00:58:53,345 --> 00:58:57,391 I can't speak with specificity about Loro Parque. 1085 00:58:57,558 --> 00:58:59,477 I wasn't there. 1086 00:58:59,643 --> 00:59:01,854 In fact, I know very little about it. 1087 00:59:02,021 --> 00:59:04,482 Probably about as much as the general public knows. 1088 00:59:26,879 --> 00:59:30,049 ( Speaking Spanish ) 1089 00:59:37,431 --> 00:59:38,432 ( laughs ) 1090 01:00:07,711 --> 01:00:10,172 Suzanne Allee: Loro Parque, it's in the Canary Islands, 1091 01:00:10,339 --> 01:00:12,466 which is an autonomous region of Spain. 1092 01:00:12,633 --> 01:00:15,678 It's the largest tourist attraction in all of Spain. 1093 01:00:15,845 --> 01:00:19,557 ( Speaking Spanish ) 1094 01:00:21,225 --> 01:00:24,228 Allee: And when SeaWorld sent the orcas to Loro Parque, 1095 01:00:24,395 --> 01:00:26,814 everybody was always questioning, 1096 01:00:26,981 --> 01:00:31,986 like, how did they make that leap to send four young orcas 1097 01:00:32,152 --> 01:00:35,114 to a park off the west coast of Africa 1098 01:00:35,281 --> 01:00:39,994 with trainers who-- a lot of them had never been around orcas before? 1099 01:00:42,121 --> 01:00:43,873 Nothing was ready. 1100 01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:45,416 The venue wasn't ready. 1101 01:00:45,583 --> 01:00:49,044 It wasn't ready for the orcas, it wasn't ready for a show. 1102 01:00:49,211 --> 01:00:51,714 The owner of the park didn't want to lose revenue 1103 01:00:51,881 --> 01:00:54,341 by shutting down the pools and repairing them. 1104 01:00:54,508 --> 01:00:56,510 So for three years, the animals ate the pools 1105 01:00:56,677 --> 01:00:58,679 and for three years the animals had problems-- 1106 01:00:58,846 --> 01:01:01,515 with their teeth, with their stomachs. 1107 01:01:01,682 --> 01:01:03,142 So that's the reason why these animals 1108 01:01:03,309 --> 01:01:05,352 are enduring the endoscope procedures. 1109 01:01:06,937 --> 01:01:08,772 Back up. Now back up, back up. 1110 01:01:08,939 --> 01:01:10,816 Allee: Those are still SeaWorld's animals 1111 01:01:10,983 --> 01:01:13,277 and they are responsible for those animals. 1112 01:01:13,444 --> 01:01:16,447 ( Orca crying ) 1113 01:01:20,409 --> 01:01:23,037 ( orca clicking, crying ) 1114 01:01:23,203 --> 01:01:25,998 Loro Parque doesn't have a good reputation. 1115 01:01:26,165 --> 01:01:29,877 People that work in the business know the reputation of places 1116 01:01:30,044 --> 01:01:33,130 and Loro Parque does not have a good reputation. 1117 01:01:33,297 --> 01:01:36,425 They didn't spend the same amount of time as the SeaWorld trainers, 1118 01:01:36,592 --> 01:01:38,510 did not go through the same regimen 1119 01:01:38,677 --> 01:01:41,472 that the SeaWorld trainers went through. 1120 01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:44,266 You know, and Alexis really was the best trainer. 1121 01:01:44,433 --> 01:01:47,436 And I did say-- I said, "You're the only trainer there 1122 01:01:47,603 --> 01:01:50,981 that can hold his own with a SeaWorld trainer." 1123 01:01:51,148 --> 01:01:53,484 And I said, "But you need to be careful." 1124 01:02:03,243 --> 01:02:04,870 ( Rodriguez speaking Spanish ) 1125 01:02:27,267 --> 01:02:29,103 Anywhere along the line it could have been stopped 1126 01:02:29,269 --> 01:02:31,855 because everyone knew it was a tragedy waiting to happen. 1127 01:02:32,022 --> 01:02:34,566 But no one ever did anything about it. 1128 01:02:34,733 --> 01:02:36,068 And in the end, 1129 01:02:36,235 --> 01:02:39,154 it was the best trainer who lost his life. 1130 01:02:39,321 --> 01:02:41,407 ( Speaking Spanish ) 1131 01:02:54,962 --> 01:02:58,090 ( Speaking Spanish ) 1132 01:03:36,336 --> 01:03:37,921 ( exhales ) 1133 01:04:57,668 --> 01:04:59,503 Duff us: Those were SeaWorld's whales. 1134 01:04:59,670 --> 01:05:02,047 They were trained using SeaWorld's techniques. 1135 01:05:03,132 --> 01:05:07,427 And their training was being supervised at the time of the fatal accident 1136 01:05:07,594 --> 01:05:11,682 by one of their senior trainers from San Diego. 1137 01:05:33,662 --> 01:05:36,957 Duff us: For somebody to get up and say in a court of law 1138 01:05:37,124 --> 01:05:40,544 they have no knowledge of the linkages 1139 01:05:40,711 --> 01:05:44,756 between SeaWorld and this park in Tenerife is well-- 1140 01:05:44,923 --> 01:05:48,135 either she doesn't know and is telling the truth 1141 01:05:48,302 --> 01:05:50,554 or it's just a bold-faced lie. 1142 01:05:54,892 --> 01:05:57,895 As trainers, we never forget Shamu's true potential. 1143 01:05:58,061 --> 01:05:59,855 We see it each and every day. 1144 01:06:00,022 --> 01:06:03,734 That's why all of our interactions are very carefully thought out, 1145 01:06:03,901 --> 01:06:05,986 especially our water work interaction. 1146 01:06:06,153 --> 01:06:07,654 Whoa! 1147 01:06:12,701 --> 01:06:13,952 ( laughing ) 1148 01:06:15,287 --> 01:06:17,497 You big dork. 1149 01:06:17,664 --> 01:06:19,625 Especially our water work interactions 1150 01:06:19,791 --> 01:06:22,502 because they're potentially the most dangerous. 1151 01:06:22,669 --> 01:06:26,298 I'd been expecting it since the second person was killed. 1152 01:06:26,465 --> 01:06:29,676 I'd been expecting somebody to be killed by Tilikum. 1153 01:06:29,843 --> 01:06:31,470 I'm surprised it took as long as it did. 1154 01:06:31,637 --> 01:06:33,680 Reporter: First tonight, a six-ton killer whale 1155 01:06:33,847 --> 01:06:36,516 has lived up to its name, killing an experienced trainer 1156 01:06:36,683 --> 01:06:38,810 at SeaWorld, Orlando, today. 1157 01:06:38,977 --> 01:06:40,437 Reporter #2: A tourist at an earlier show 1158 01:06:40,604 --> 01:06:42,439 said the animal seemed agitated. 1159 01:06:42,606 --> 01:06:45,734 Reporter: Trainers complained the whales weren't cooperating. 1160 01:06:45,901 --> 01:06:48,028 The whole show, the main show, 1161 01:06:48,195 --> 01:06:50,072 was a disaster that day. 1162 01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:52,407 There was, you know, whales chasing each other 1163 01:06:52,574 --> 01:06:54,910 and eventually the trainers decided that they had to stop the show 1164 01:06:55,077 --> 01:06:56,912 because they couldn't get the whales under control. 1165 01:06:57,079 --> 01:06:59,289 Tilikum was in the back pool 1166 01:06:59,456 --> 01:07:04,294 set up to do a Dine with Shamu performance with Dawn. 1167 01:07:04,461 --> 01:07:07,881 Likely she saw what had gone on during the main show 1168 01:07:08,048 --> 01:07:11,593 and so she had probably felt more pressure to do a good show. 1169 01:07:13,387 --> 01:07:15,222 Yay! 1170 01:07:15,389 --> 01:07:17,349 Berg: When you watch the whole video, you can see 1171 01:07:17,516 --> 01:07:20,185 that Tilikum is actually really with Dawn 1172 01:07:20,352 --> 01:07:22,104 in the beginning of the video. 1173 01:07:22,271 --> 01:07:24,481 ( Applause ) 1174 01:07:24,648 --> 01:07:27,276 There's a couple of behaviors that she asks him to do 1175 01:07:27,442 --> 01:07:29,403 where Tilikum justjumps right in 1176 01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:31,947 and he does exactly what she asks him to do. 1177 01:07:38,203 --> 01:07:40,080 Ventre: There seemed to be a point in the session 1178 01:07:40,247 --> 01:07:42,541 where things went south, so to speak. 1179 01:07:42,708 --> 01:07:44,251 And in my humble opinion, 1180 01:07:44,418 --> 01:07:47,879 it was at that missed bridge-- whistle bridge, 1181 01:07:48,046 --> 01:07:49,923 on the perimeter pec wave. 1182 01:07:50,090 --> 01:07:52,634 She asked him to do a perimeter pec wave 1183 01:07:52,801 --> 01:07:56,513 where she asked him to basically go all the way around the pool 1184 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,265 and wave his pectoral flipper. 1185 01:08:00,642 --> 01:08:03,520 - And she blows her whistle... - ( whistle blows ) 1186 01:08:03,687 --> 01:08:05,188 - Announcer: There we go. - ...which is a bridge, 1187 01:08:05,355 --> 01:08:07,399 which tells the animal that, okay, you've done a good job. 1188 01:08:07,566 --> 01:08:08,692 Come back and get food. 1189 01:08:08,859 --> 01:08:10,569 But he missed that cue. 1190 01:08:11,778 --> 01:08:14,114 Announcer: He likes waving so much. That's beyond waving. 1191 01:08:14,281 --> 01:08:16,450 Berg: And he went all the way around the pool 1192 01:08:16,616 --> 01:08:18,410 on this perimeter pec wave. 1193 01:08:18,577 --> 01:08:20,495 Announcer: That's all right. We're going to let him keep on waving. 1194 01:08:21,913 --> 01:08:24,249 My interpretation is that he didn't hear the whistle. 1195 01:08:24,416 --> 01:08:26,877 Berg: So not only did he not hear the bridge, 1196 01:08:27,044 --> 01:08:29,546 then he went and did a perfect behavior and came back, 1197 01:08:29,713 --> 01:08:33,258 and what he got was what we call a three-second neutral response, 1198 01:08:33,425 --> 01:08:34,801 which is just a way to let the animal know, 1199 01:08:34,968 --> 01:08:36,386 "No, you didn't do the correct thing. 1200 01:08:36,553 --> 01:08:38,847 You're not going to get rewarded. And then we're going to move on." 1201 01:08:39,014 --> 01:08:40,390 And then you can also see through the video 1202 01:08:40,557 --> 01:08:42,559 that Dawn is running out of food. 1203 01:08:43,685 --> 01:08:45,228 Ventre: The animals can sense 1204 01:08:45,395 --> 01:08:47,522 when you're getting to the bottom of your bucket of fish, 1205 01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:49,900 because they can hear the ice clanging around 1206 01:08:50,067 --> 01:08:52,527 and the kind of fishy, soupy water at the bottom. 1207 01:08:52,694 --> 01:08:56,281 And the handfuls of fish that they're getting delivered by the trainer 1208 01:08:56,448 --> 01:08:57,741 are all getting smaller. 1209 01:08:57,908 --> 01:09:00,911 So they know that they're coming down to the end of session. 1210 01:09:01,078 --> 01:09:03,372 Berg: When you see the difference between the beginning of the video 1211 01:09:03,538 --> 01:09:05,165 and the end of the video, you can see 1212 01:09:05,332 --> 01:09:08,752 that he's just not quite on his game anymore. 1213 01:09:08,919 --> 01:09:10,045 There was no food left. 1214 01:09:10,212 --> 01:09:13,006 She kept asking him for more and more behaviors. 1215 01:09:13,173 --> 01:09:14,883 He wasn't getting reinforced for the behaviors 1216 01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:16,176 that he was doing correctly. 1217 01:09:16,343 --> 01:09:19,388 He probably was frustrated towards the end. 1218 01:09:21,181 --> 01:09:24,518 Ventre: Then she walked around the perimeter of G pool. 1219 01:09:24,684 --> 01:09:26,395 He followed her. 1220 01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:34,528 And then continued over into the rocky ledge area 1221 01:09:34,694 --> 01:09:38,990 where she laid down with him to do a relationship session, 1222 01:09:39,157 --> 01:09:42,077 which is-- it's quiet time, basically. 1223 01:09:42,244 --> 01:09:44,955 Jett: Tilikum at some point grabbed ahold of her left forearm 1224 01:09:45,122 --> 01:09:47,874 and started to drag her and eventually did a barrel roll 1225 01:09:48,041 --> 01:09:49,668 and pulled her in. 1226 01:09:49,835 --> 01:09:52,629 It may have started as play or frustration 1227 01:09:52,796 --> 01:09:57,342 and clearly escalated to be very violent behavior 1228 01:09:57,509 --> 01:10:00,053 that I think was anything but play. 1229 01:10:00,220 --> 01:10:02,556 In the end, he basically 1230 01:10:02,722 --> 01:10:04,933 just completely mutilated that poor girl. 1231 01:10:08,145 --> 01:10:12,315 Hargrove: They were gathering all of the trainers at the Texas park. 1232 01:10:12,482 --> 01:10:16,611 He said, "There's been an accident 1233 01:10:16,778 --> 01:10:19,739 at the Florida park and a trainer was killed." 1234 01:10:20,740 --> 01:10:23,994 Hearing that it was Dawn, I was-- I couldn't believe it. 1235 01:10:24,161 --> 01:10:26,163 I just remember saying to myself, "Not Dawn. 1236 01:10:26,329 --> 01:10:27,956 It can't be Dawn." 1237 01:10:28,123 --> 01:10:32,502 He said that-- "And he still has her." 1238 01:10:32,669 --> 01:10:35,422 And I just... 1239 01:10:35,589 --> 01:10:37,716 was so disturbed by that 1240 01:10:37,883 --> 01:10:42,179 and the reality of how powerless we are. 1241 01:10:42,345 --> 01:10:45,682 Duff us: Avulsion, laceration, abrasion, fractures. 1242 01:10:45,849 --> 01:10:48,351 Fractures and associated hemorrhages. 1243 01:10:48,518 --> 01:10:51,104 Blunt force traumas 1244 01:10:51,271 --> 01:10:53,607 to the main body, to the extremities. 1245 01:10:54,816 --> 01:10:58,320 To see this meted out against a trainer... 1246 01:10:58,487 --> 01:11:01,281 and I cannot fathom the reason. 1247 01:11:01,448 --> 01:11:03,700 It's shocking. 1248 01:11:03,867 --> 01:11:07,704 The lawyer for OSHA asked me what I thought we'd learned, 1249 01:11:07,871 --> 01:11:09,539 and I'm sitting in the courtroom 1250 01:11:09,706 --> 01:11:13,668 and I've got the Keltie Byrne case file in one hand 1251 01:11:13,835 --> 01:11:15,587 and I've got Dawn Brancheau in the other. 1252 01:11:15,754 --> 01:11:17,714 And they're almost, to the day, 20 years apart. 1253 01:11:17,881 --> 01:11:19,758 And I'm looking at these two things. 1254 01:11:19,925 --> 01:11:22,427 My only answer is, "Nothing." 1255 01:11:22,594 --> 01:11:24,638 In fact, it's not a damn thing. 1256 01:11:24,804 --> 01:11:26,056 We have not learned a damn thing 1257 01:11:26,223 --> 01:11:29,142 for something like that to happen 20 years apart. 1258 01:11:30,268 --> 01:11:32,103 Reporter: Could you tell if it was an accident or if this-- 1259 01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:34,397 Reporter #2: Did this female trainer work with this whale on a regular basis? 1260 01:11:34,564 --> 01:11:37,943 I don't know. What apparently happened is we had a female trainer 1261 01:11:38,109 --> 01:11:39,694 back in the whale holding area. 1262 01:11:39,861 --> 01:11:42,155 She apparently slipped or fell into the tank 1263 01:11:42,322 --> 01:11:44,699 and was fatally injured by one of the whales. 1264 01:11:44,866 --> 01:11:47,160 At first, SeaWorld reported that a trainer slipped 1265 01:11:47,327 --> 01:11:49,704 and fell in the water and was drowned. 1266 01:11:49,871 --> 01:11:51,373 So that was the first report. 1267 01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:54,000 It wasn't until eyewitness accounts disputed that 1268 01:11:54,167 --> 01:11:55,418 that they had to go back in their huddle 1269 01:11:55,585 --> 01:11:57,337 and say, "Wait a minute. We gotta come up with a new plan." 1270 01:11:57,504 --> 01:11:59,047 Reporter: New tonight-- SeaWorld has confirmed 1271 01:11:59,214 --> 01:12:01,800 the killer whale pulled the woman into the water. 1272 01:12:01,967 --> 01:12:03,510 She didn't fall into the tank 1273 01:12:03,677 --> 01:12:06,137 as the sheriff's department initially reported. 1274 01:12:06,304 --> 01:12:09,432 The new plan is that he grabbed her ponytail. 1275 01:12:09,599 --> 01:12:13,353 This is a subtle way of placing the blame on Dawn's shoulders. 1276 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,313 She shouldn't have had a long ponytail, 1277 01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:18,066 or if she did have that ponytail, it should have been up in a bun. 1278 01:12:18,233 --> 01:12:20,485 Dawn, if she was standing here with me right now, 1279 01:12:20,652 --> 01:12:23,989 would tell you that it was her mistake 1280 01:12:24,155 --> 01:12:25,907 in allowing that to happen. 1281 01:12:26,074 --> 01:12:28,076 Hargrove: They blamed her. 1282 01:12:28,243 --> 01:12:30,245 How dare you? 1283 01:12:30,412 --> 01:12:34,165 How disrespectful for you to blame her 1284 01:12:34,332 --> 01:12:37,669 when she's not even alive to defend herself. 1285 01:12:37,836 --> 01:12:40,046 He grabbed her ponytail and pulled her into the water. 1286 01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:41,673 That's as simple as it gets. 1287 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,925 Berg: There are photographs of plenty of other trainers 1288 01:12:44,092 --> 01:12:45,885 doing exactly the same thing that she was doing, 1289 01:12:46,052 --> 01:12:50,432 so I knew that SeaWorld was lying about the fact that this was her fault. 1290 01:12:50,599 --> 01:12:54,311 The ponytail, in all likelihood, is just a tale. 1291 01:12:55,770 --> 01:12:59,524 The safety spotter, who apparently didn't actually see the takedown, 1292 01:12:59,691 --> 01:13:00,692 came up with that. 1293 01:13:00,859 --> 01:13:03,486 - Are you excited? - Crowd: Yeah! 1294 01:13:03,653 --> 01:13:05,322 Dave McDaniel: During the spotter's testimony, 1295 01:13:05,488 --> 01:13:08,366 OSHA pushed him to say that he wasn't really sure 1296 01:13:08,533 --> 01:13:10,827 that it was her ponytail that was in the whale's mouth, 1297 01:13:10,994 --> 01:13:14,748 that he just saw her underwater and he assumed it was the ponytail. 1298 01:13:14,914 --> 01:13:16,875 OSHA contends that the whale came up 1299 01:13:17,042 --> 01:13:18,752 and grabbed Dawn Brancheau's arm, 1300 01:13:18,918 --> 01:13:20,879 saying that that was another level of aggressiveness. 1301 01:13:21,046 --> 01:13:24,049 And again, SeaWorld is saying it was not an aggressive move. 1302 01:13:24,215 --> 01:13:26,343 One of SeaWorld's top curators, Chuck Tompkins, 1303 01:13:26,509 --> 01:13:28,637 said when Dawn Brancheau was pulled off that ledge, 1304 01:13:28,803 --> 01:13:31,848 it wasn't necessarily aggressive behavior by the whale. 1305 01:13:32,015 --> 01:13:35,602 The initial grab was not an act of aggression. 1306 01:13:35,769 --> 01:13:37,979 This is not a crazed animal. 1307 01:13:38,146 --> 01:13:40,357 The industry has a vested interest in spinning these 1308 01:13:40,523 --> 01:13:42,984 so that the animals continue to appear 1309 01:13:43,151 --> 01:13:46,529 like cuddly teddy bears that are completely safe. 1310 01:13:46,696 --> 01:13:48,531 You know, that sells a lot of Shamu dolls, 1311 01:13:48,698 --> 01:13:52,702 it sells a lot of tickets at the gate, and that's the story line 1312 01:13:52,869 --> 01:13:55,914 that they're going to continue to stick with for as long as they can. 1313 01:14:13,765 --> 01:14:18,395 Recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal 1314 01:14:18,561 --> 01:14:21,564 that acted out and grabbed Dawn maliciously, 1315 01:14:21,731 --> 01:14:27,112 they want to prove the theorem that captivity makes animals crazy. 1316 01:14:27,278 --> 01:14:28,905 And that is just false. 1317 01:14:29,072 --> 01:14:31,491 All whales in captivity have a bad life. 1318 01:14:31,658 --> 01:14:33,326 They're all emotionally destroyed. 1319 01:14:33,493 --> 01:14:36,413 They're all psychologically traumatized, 1320 01:14:36,579 --> 01:14:39,249 so they are ticking time bombs. 1321 01:14:39,416 --> 01:14:40,792 It's not just Tilikum. 1322 01:14:40,959 --> 01:14:43,378 We have to separate what happened to Dawn-- 1323 01:14:43,545 --> 01:14:46,673 and, as tragic as it is, no one wants to ever see it happen again. 1324 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,050 Can SeaWorld create an environment 1325 01:14:49,217 --> 01:14:50,510 where it never happens again? 1326 01:14:50,677 --> 01:14:52,721 Yes, I absolutely believe they can. 1327 01:14:56,099 --> 01:14:58,268 What if there were no SeaWorlds? 1328 01:14:58,435 --> 01:15:01,646 I can't imagine a society, with the value we put 1329 01:15:01,813 --> 01:15:04,357 on marine mammals, if those parks didn't exist. 1330 01:15:04,524 --> 01:15:08,194 I'm not at all interested in having my daughter, 1331 01:15:08,361 --> 01:15:09,946 who is three and a half, 1332 01:15:10,113 --> 01:15:12,907 grow up thinking that it's normalized 1333 01:15:13,074 --> 01:15:15,952 to have these intelligent, highly evolved animals 1334 01:15:16,119 --> 01:15:17,287 in concrete pools. 1335 01:15:17,454 --> 01:15:19,998 I don't want her to think that's how we treat the kin 1336 01:15:20,165 --> 01:15:23,084 that we find ourselves around on this planet. 1337 01:15:23,251 --> 01:15:24,753 I think it's atrocious. 1338 01:15:24,919 --> 01:15:26,504 This hearing is expected to last all week 1339 01:15:26,671 --> 01:15:29,549 with OSHA continuing to work toward this theory-- 1340 01:15:29,716 --> 01:15:33,219 that SeaWorld knew there was a calculated risk of injury or death, 1341 01:15:33,386 --> 01:15:36,347 but put trainers in the water with the whales anyway, 1342 01:15:36,514 --> 01:15:38,641 while SeaWorld will say that Dawn Brancheau's death 1343 01:15:38,808 --> 01:15:40,560 was an isolated incident. 1344 01:15:40,727 --> 01:15:43,688 Reporting live in Seminole County, Dave McDaniel, WESH 2 News. 1345 01:15:53,782 --> 01:15:54,783 There's something wrong. 1346 01:15:54,949 --> 01:15:59,954 You know with Tilikum that there's something wrong and that's-- 1347 01:16:00,121 --> 01:16:03,291 when you have a relationship with that animal and you-- 1348 01:16:04,751 --> 01:16:09,130 you understand that he's killing not to be a savage. 1349 01:16:09,297 --> 01:16:11,966 He's not killing because he's just crazy. 1350 01:16:12,133 --> 01:16:14,969 He's not killing because he doesn't know what he's doing. 1351 01:16:15,136 --> 01:16:16,805 He's killing because he's frustrated 1352 01:16:16,971 --> 01:16:22,560 and he's got aggravations and he doesn't know how to-- 1353 01:16:22,727 --> 01:16:24,854 he has no outlet for it. 1354 01:16:25,939 --> 01:16:28,650 Jett: Now Tilikum is spending a great deal of time by himself 1355 01:16:28,817 --> 01:16:32,654 and basically floating lifeless in a pool. 1356 01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,616 Woman: Three hours now... 1357 01:16:36,783 --> 01:16:38,743 and he hasn't moved. 1358 01:16:39,953 --> 01:16:41,663 They try to sugarcoat it by saying, 1359 01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:43,414 "He comes out in the front pool every once in a while. 1360 01:16:43,581 --> 01:16:44,874 Now he's doing shows." 1361 01:16:45,041 --> 01:16:46,042 Really? You know what he does in a show? 1362 01:16:46,209 --> 01:16:47,460 ( Applause ) 1363 01:16:47,627 --> 01:16:49,337 He does a few bows 1364 01:16:49,504 --> 01:16:53,049 and then he goes back in his little jail cell. 1365 01:16:53,216 --> 01:16:54,509 That's his life. 1366 01:16:54,676 --> 01:16:56,427 ( Applause ) 1367 01:16:56,594 --> 01:16:58,763 Duff us: I feel sad for Tilikum. 1368 01:16:58,930 --> 01:17:01,975 A regal thing like him swimming around the tank 1369 01:17:02,141 --> 01:17:03,935 with his fin flopped over like that 1370 01:17:04,102 --> 01:17:07,146 compared to a wild bull killer whale that size, 1371 01:17:07,313 --> 01:17:09,816 which is one of the most kinetic and dynamic things 1372 01:17:09,983 --> 01:17:11,526 you can imagine... 1373 01:17:13,987 --> 01:17:16,322 I feel sad when I see him. 1374 01:17:22,871 --> 01:17:24,622 Berg: It's time to stop the shows. 1375 01:17:24,789 --> 01:17:27,125 It's time to stop forcing animals to perform 1376 01:17:27,292 --> 01:17:29,043 in basically a circus environment. 1377 01:17:29,210 --> 01:17:31,129 And they should release the animals that are young enough 1378 01:17:31,296 --> 01:17:34,215 and healthy enough to be released, and the animals like Tilikum 1379 01:17:34,382 --> 01:17:37,176 who are old and sick and have put in 25 years in the industry 1380 01:17:37,343 --> 01:17:38,761 should be released to an open ocean pen 1381 01:17:38,928 --> 01:17:40,138 so they can live out their lives 1382 01:17:40,305 --> 01:17:42,307 and just experience the natural rhythms of the ocean. 1383 01:17:42,473 --> 01:17:44,267 This is a multibillion-dollar corporation 1384 01:17:44,434 --> 01:17:48,271 that makes its money through the exploitation of orcas. 1385 01:17:48,438 --> 01:17:50,773 They're not suitable to have in captivity. 1386 01:17:50,940 --> 01:17:53,151 The whales are really bored. 1387 01:17:53,318 --> 01:17:57,572 You deprive them of all this environmental stimulation. 1388 01:17:57,739 --> 01:17:59,699 Gomersall: I think that in 50 years, 1389 01:17:59,866 --> 01:18:02,660 we'll look back and go, "My God, what a barbaric time." 1390 01:18:43,451 --> 01:18:46,079 Dawn Brancheau-- DB, dream big. 1391 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,625 Dawn was the most loving, giving person you ever met. 1392 01:18:50,792 --> 01:18:54,045 Her smile just radiated. 1393 01:19:02,762 --> 01:19:05,390 She's comp-- she fulfilled her life. 1394 01:19:53,813 --> 01:19:55,481 Ventre: We saw whales 1395 01:19:55,648 --> 01:19:59,402 swimming in straight lines with straight dorsal fins. 1396 01:20:00,778 --> 01:20:03,239 I was so honored to be there. 1397 01:20:08,703 --> 01:20:11,122 And I was so thankful that I had sunglasses on 1398 01:20:11,289 --> 01:20:14,542 because the tears were kind of coming out. 1399 01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:17,378 And it was moving. 1400 01:20:18,463 --> 01:20:21,466 ( Instrumental music playing ) 114977

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