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hello everybody welcome today i'm going
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to share with you the features of
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congestive cardiac failure on a chest
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x-ray
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now we're going to start by having a
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look at this normal chest x-ray and i
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want you to imprint this image on your
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mind
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have a look at the costophrenic angles
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look at the lung fields the pulmonary
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vasculature the heart size
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and then we look at images later on in
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this talk you can think back to this
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image
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and notice the differences for yourself
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now i want to stress before we get
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started that congestive cardiac failure
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is a clinical syndrome
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it's something that we diagnose
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clinically and we can use radiographic
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features
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to supplement that clinical information
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but we're not going to make the
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diagnosis on chest x-ray
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or on ct scan we're going to use these
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features to help us
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supplement the clinical picture so
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congestive cardiac failure is when
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someone's heart
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has either a structural or functional
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anomaly that renders it unable to
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pump blood out effectively and perfuse
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end organs
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and because it's a closed system it's
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then
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also unable to accommodate incoming
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pulmonary
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blood and leads to increased pulmonary
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pressures and
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actually increased promonty blood volume
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now on a chest x-ray it's very difficult
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to see that
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decreased capacity to expel blood from
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the heart
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but what we can see very clearly on a
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chest x-ray is features of
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pulmonary congestion and ultimately
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pulmonary edema
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so that's what we're going to be doing
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in this talk is looking at the features
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of pulmonary edema and it actually
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happens in a very logical and stepwise
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fashion and it goes through these
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three well-identified phases now these
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happen in this order and it happens as
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pulmonary capillary wage pressure
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increases to certain levels
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so first we'll get redistribution of
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blood around the lungs then we'll get
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seeping of fluid into the interstitium
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out of the extravascular space and
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eventually fluid filling the alveolar
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filling the airways as well as fluid
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going out into the pleural space and
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plural effusions so let's have a look at
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redistribution cast your eyes to this
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and the more images you look at the more
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you'll realize that these vessels here
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in the superior portions of the lungs
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are grossly dilated and these are not
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normal so if we look here we've got
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you can clearly see these vessels in the
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upper portions of the lungs now normally
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these vessels are kind of collapsed on
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themselves
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vasculature at the
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lower zones will be filled and it
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doesn't really need to fill up the
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vasculature here in the upper portions
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of the lungs
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now as the pressures and the volumes
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increase from that inability to
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of the heart to take up that blood
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coming from the pulmonary circulation
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we get increased pressures opening up
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those pulmonary vessels
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and this is an accommodation mechanism
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for the lungs
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our pulmonary capillary wedge pressures
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so whenever you're looking at an x-ray
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that's the first place to look at if
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you're suspecting congestive cardiac
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is look at those vessels can you see
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them clearly are they dilated
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image as those pressures now increase
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we can have fluids seeping out into the
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interlobular septa and actually cause
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interlobular septal thickening with that
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fluid now it's often quite difficult to
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see and you need to look quite carefully
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on the image but if you look at the
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periphery of the lungs here
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we can see these thin septal lines about
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two to three centimeters
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long and they are abutting the pleura at
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a perpendicular angle
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and this is what's known as curly b
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lines so that's just an indication that
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fluid has now seeped
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interstitial space causing interlobular
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septal thickening and these are called
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curly b
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lines lines seen closer to this uh
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the center of the image or by the aorta
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those are known as curly a lines
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and people will often name these lines
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seen here as curly
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c lines the way i remember this is that
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b lines are by the border of the image
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a lines are by the aorta or the center
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of the image and then in between those
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the central portion
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is the curly c lines now we can see this
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person has a
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pacemaker and a large heart so this is
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showing us that this pulmonary edema is
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probably cardiogenic
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cause and we can infer that maybe this
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is congestive cardiac failure that's
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causing this pulmonary edema
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now as these pressures now increase
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further we get fluids seeping out into
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the alveolar spaces
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spreading between the pores of con
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causing fluid to fill these spaces
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and we can see here that there's uh our
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bronchi here a patent is giving us
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air bronchograms here but the alveolar
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spaces
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next to it are completely filled with
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fluid they're completely opacified
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they're not the normal lucent lung that
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and so this can often look like
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consolidation
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but generally we will see fluid filling
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these densely filling these alveolar
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spaces causing denser pacification
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of the lung fields here and what we've
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got here is we're losing our costophonic
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angles here we've lost it completely and
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we've lost our left diagram
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diaphragm we've probably got a large
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pleural effusion on
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that side which is a very common
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occurrence in congestive cardiac failure
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again this heart is large we can infer
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that maybe this is a cardiogenic in
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cause of this pulmonary edema
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and when you see an image like this you
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know that the severity or the grade of
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pulmonary edema is very high
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because we've got all the features of
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congestive cardiac failure on this image
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so let's have a look at an example case
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again we've got all our features so if
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we look here we've got dilated pulmonary
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vasculature at the top here
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accommodating that redistribution of
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blood we've got
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uh fluid in our horizontal fissure here
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we've got small
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we've got curly b lines there
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interlobular septal thickening
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we've got fluid within the alveolar
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spaces here we've got a large
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right-sided pleural effusion and we've
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also lost our
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left costophrenic angle and left
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diaphragms we've got bilateral pleural
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effusions here
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and as i say congestive cardiac failure
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is a
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clinical diagnosis we don't can't always
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tell from an x-ray what the underlying
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etiology is
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and we can't tell what the precipitating
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factor that's caused this person to now
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go into congestive cardiac failure but
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when you see an image like this
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you can see stenotomy wires that if that
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have closed the previous stone to me we
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can see surgical clips here and if you
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look closely we can see
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um evidence um might be difficult to see
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here of
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previous um stenting in the saucer most
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likely this is uh cardiogenic in cause
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and it's probably
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ischemic and cause
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those are the radiographic features on a
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chest x-ray i just want to show you a ct
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scan quickly before finishing off
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because for me it just solidifies the
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concepts a little bit clearer and it's a
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bit easier to see on this axial
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ct so here we've got a large heart and
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this is someone who has congestive
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cardiac failure
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we've got a vessel that is larger than
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its accompanying bronchi
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which it shouldn't be the vessel should
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normally be the same size or smaller and
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this is showing us that that vessel has
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that to accommodate some extra pressure
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some extra volume
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we've got fluid within our interlobular
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scepter here
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we've got fluid in our fissures we've
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got
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large bilateral pleural effusions here
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this is the
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fluid that's seeped to the back of the
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patient as well as if you look closely
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this is a subtle sign but something
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that's quite
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good to recognize on a ct is that our
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lung is far more loosened here the
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at the anterior portion of the patient
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compared to posterior it kind of gets
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more
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pacified as we go posteriorly and that's
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indicating that this is fluid
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that by gravity is seeping towards the
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posterior side of the patient who's
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actually lying on their back here
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and that's another way to differentiate
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is this like a dense infective
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consolidation
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or is this fluid that can kind of flow
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freely within the lungs
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so that's all for pulmonary edema again
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if you're the clinician who is looking
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at these images and needs to now act
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with this patient
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it's very important to go and find the
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underlying etiology
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is there a valvular problem is there
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hypertensive heart disease or
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cardiomyopathy
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and then you need to find out why this
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patient has now
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exacerbated that cardiac failure are
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they anemic or is there sepsis on board
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or are they thyrotoxic
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and you need to address those issues
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congestive cardiac failure has a very
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poor prognosis and it's often
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got worse mortality or five-year
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mortality than
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various cancers so this is something
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that's serious and needs to be dealt
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with and needs to be spoken about
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with your patients who will then need to
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make either drastic lifestyle changes or
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really get on top
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of the medical management and then you
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can use serial imaging to see
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how how are you managing the pulmonary
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edema are you on a winning footing or do
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you need to step up your management
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so i hope that helped if it did please
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hit the like button and subscribe to the
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