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Jim had posted a diamond ring
for sale on Craigslist.
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He opens the door...
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And that's when
the trouble began.
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He said,
"Tell me the combination
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or I'm gonna kill you."
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And she hears three gunshots.
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We needed to know
who pulled that trigger.
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We have four suspects, two gunmen,
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and they're quickly
turning on each other.
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These people
are like Satan's spawn.
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They went in,
guns drawn, loaded.
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It wasn't an accident
that Jim was shot.
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They were just
selling an item on Craigslist.
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They opened the door
and then suddenly...
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...their lives are shattered.
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Edgewood, Washington
is a small town.
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It's located south of King County
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where Seattle is.
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It's a very rural community.
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It's a sleepy community.
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It's a place where
the neighbours know each other.
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Everybody knows each other's kids.
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They have nice homes,
good schools.
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It's a very family-friendly place.
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It's a place that I would have
raised my family.
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It's just a very nice,
comfortable area.
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On the evening
of April 28th, 2010,
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the Sanders family is at home
watching television upstairs.
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On the couch is James Sanders,
otherwise known as Jim,
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and his wife Charlene.
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Both Jim and Charlene
had sons when they married.
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And with them in the house
are Jim Jr and Chandler.
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Jim is a tremendous family man.
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He works for a construction company,
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very active in his family
and kids' lives.
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They're the most important
thing to him.
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Charlene is a hairdresser.
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They're good churchgoing people.
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They're very active
in their community.
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She and Jim are madly in love.
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At 9:18 the doorbell rings.
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Even though it was late, James
and Charlene were expecting somebody
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that had responded
to a Craigslist advertisement.
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Jim had posted
a diamond ring for sale.
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He and Charlene
were planning to use the money
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for an upcoming family vacation.
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He had made an appointment for
a woman to come look at the ring.
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Jim opens the door...
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..and he's greeted
by a male and female
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who said that they were there
to look at the ring.
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The male is an Asian male,
probably in his early twenties,
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and with him is a Caucasian female,
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and she's also in her early twenties
and has dark brown hair.
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They ask a question about
the ring that Jim can't answer.
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So, Jim calls up to Charlene,
who's upstairs.
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Charlene comes downstairs...
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and for some reason,
she knows something's wrong.
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It just doesn't seem right.
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The male flashes a wad of cash,
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asks if this is enough,
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and that's when the trouble began.
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Suddenly,
he pulls out a .380 calibre handgun.
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The female yells,
"Get down, get down!"
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ordering Charlene and Jim
to the floor.
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As this occurs,
two more men then enter the home.
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They are both
twentyish black males.
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One's thin, one's heavy.
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They were both wearing bandanas,
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covering the lower portions
of their face.
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One of them is armed with
a .22-calibre Colt revolver.
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The first male zip-ties
Jim and Charlene's hands
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behind their back.
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Meanwhile,
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the two African-American men
went upstairs...
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...and dragged the two children
down into the kitchen.
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The kids were forced at gunpoint
to lay down on the floor.
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I can't imagine having the parents
witness their kids go through this,
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or the kids
seeing their parents like that
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and not know what's going on.
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Then the male with the revolver,
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and the female,
started ransacking the house.
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They went through drawers
in every bedroom,
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drawers through the kitchen,
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taking anything
that looked like it had any value.
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They found Charlene and Jimmy's
cell phones and they took those.
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They physically take the rings
off of Charlene and Jim's hands.
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Jim and Charlene are saying,
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"Just take whatever you want
and get out. Just leave us alone."
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What happened was
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they started ratcheting up
the violence and threats.
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The Asian male and the heavyset
African-American male
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were shouting at him, demanding
to know, "Where are your valuables?
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Where is your safe?"
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They didn't have a safe.
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Jim had a gun vault in the garage.
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He was offering them
the combination...
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...but they couldn't get it open.
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The chubby black male...
kicked Charlene several times.
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He put the gun to the back
of her head and said,
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"Tell me the combination
or I'm gonna kill you."
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He was counting down...
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..."Three...
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two...
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one."
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She was sure
she was gonna be killed
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in front of her husband
and her children.
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Jim said,
"I'll open the safe for you.
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I'll do it myself."
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They picked him up
by his zip-tied hands,
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and when they picked him up...
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...one of the zip ties broke.
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Jim's now struggling with
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the initial male
that came in the home.
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The fight was so violent
that the kitchen island -
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it was a built-in island -
was knocked out of alignment.
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Jimmy Jr was not secured in any way,
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so he jumps up to help his father.
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Jim Jr jumps on
the Asian male's back
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and the male throws him off
and hits him several times
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and pistol whips Jim Jr.
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Jim fighting now,
out of the kitchen into the foyer,
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away from the family.
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At some point,
Jim's down on the floor.
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And they've stomped his head.
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Charlene's still
laying on the ground,
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and Chandler's in the kitchen also.
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They can't see what's happening.
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Charlene can hear
the confrontation.
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She can hear the yelling.
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And she hears three gunshots.
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After that,
they grabbed what they could
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and they fled the house.
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Charlene is still zip-tied
with her hands behind her back,
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yelling, "Jim! Jim, are you OK?"
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He's not answering at all.
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Jimmy Jr used a pair of scissors
to cut that zip tie off.
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And Jimmy sees Dad
laying on the floor...
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...and he's not breathing.
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But he thinks he still has a pulse.
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And then Jimmy tries
to give CPR to his father.
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Chandler is frantic.
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He calls 911.
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Pierce County
Sheriff's Department
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is dispatched
to investigate the scene.
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Eight patrol deputies responded,
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forensics officers, canine officers,
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and homicide detectives.
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They contact Charlene
and her son, Chandler,
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at the neighbour's house.
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Jimmy Jr had been taken
to the hospital.
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I enter the home.
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To the left of the main entrance...
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...Jim is deceased on the floor.
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Right away, we found
several shell cases on the ground.
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There was one in the entryway,
one in the living room,
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and one right where the kitchen
and entryway meet.
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They're photographed
and recovered as evidence.
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Bullet casings
can prove to be very important.
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Number one,
they can tell investigators
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something about the calibre used,
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but they can also yield
both fingerprints as well as DNA.
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When a bullet is loaded
into a magazine,
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it often requires significant force
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that will leave epithelials
or skin cells on that casing.
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Upstairs bedroom
had been obviously ransacked,
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and don't know what,
if anything, is stolen.
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We have to talk to Charlene
to find out exactly what is missing.
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Charlene gives us
a briefing of what happened
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and explained the listing
of the Craigslist ad.
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She already had a huge
goose egg welt on her forehead.
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She's sitting
across the table from me...
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...and I'm staring at that goose egg.
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When I saw Charlene and the family,
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all I could think about was my own.
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And she asked me,
"So, what am I supposed to do now?
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How am I supposed to go on
with my life?"
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As you can tell,
this case got to me.
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I told my partner that...
we need to catch these people.
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One of the things
that we did know was stolen
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was Charlene and Jimmy's
cell phones.
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And we could use the GPS locators
on those phones to track them.
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We received a ping
on Charlene's telephone.
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It was just off one of the highways
leading to and from the area.
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After a search,
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between the highway
and the on-ramp, off-ramp,
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we found the phone.
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They were just discarded,
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like it had been thrown
from a moving car, likely.
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There's lots of pressure
involved in this case.
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You know, it's a great family.
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They're respected and admired
and loved in the community.
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And we're wanting to do,
you know, everything we can
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not just for them
but everyone in that community.
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Their sense of safety
has just been shattered.
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The autopsy confirmed Jim was shot
once in the left knee...
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...once in the right thigh...
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once in the right shoulder.
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That round
traversed his chest cavity,
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punctured through his left lung
and into the heart...
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and that was the fatal shot.
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From the bullets you could tell
what size gun is fired.
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These were .380-calibre bullets.
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The bullets were unique.
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They are red tip.
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They were easily identifiable.
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While casings can prove to be
important forensic clues,
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they're not as important
as the actual projectile itself,
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which contains
what's known as rifling,
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which is essentially
a fingerprint for a bullet
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and can be matched
to a specific weapon
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and provide
definitive direct evidence.
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On May 1st, we receive a ping
on Jimmy Jr's phone
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and the address
of the ping that we received
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comes back to a nearby residence.
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The subjects at this residence
are well known to police.
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They are involved
in burglaries and thefts
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and actually have warrants
for their arrest.
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The SWAT team, they made entry...
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...secured everybody
that was found in the house.
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Peter Maddox and Keeley Gibson
are detained for questioning.
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Once it was secure,
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they turned the scene over to us.
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A search of the residence begins.
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During this search,
we called Jimmy's phone number...
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...and we found a phone with
the SIM card from Jimmy's phone.
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When questioned, Peter and Keeley,
they claimed they didn't know
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where the phone came from
or who the phone belonged to.
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They simply found a phone,
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removed the SIM card and used up
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all the remaining minutes on it.
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He said,
"I found this broken phone
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when we were out for a walk."
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He described to us
his route that he went on the walk.
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If a cell phone was broken,
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there'd be pieces somewhere
either up against the kerb,
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in the middle
of the lane of travel...
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but there was nothing.
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So, he's clearly lying to us.
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We're not buying
this story at all.
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Just from the criminal history
they have, it's too suspicious.
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We do arrest Peter Maddox
and Keeley Gibson
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on their outstanding warrants.
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A few days later, we received word
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that there was a similar robbery
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three days before
the Sanders robbery.
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This was up in Snohomish County,
which is just north of us.
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The residents were selling
a large-screen TV on Craigslist.
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And the buyers, when they showed up,
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also zip-tied them and stole the TV,
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and jewellery, and things like that.
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Many home invasions
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have considerable work put into
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conning the occupants
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to allow the offenders in
with minimum resistance.
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And this is frequently done
by using false pretences,
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to either coerce
or trick the occupants
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to opening the door
and letting them in.
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And once they're in,
their real motive comes into focus.
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In the Snohomish County incident,
there are two suspects.
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One was an Asian male
and the other, a Caucasian female,
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both in their early twenties.
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Both of the residences
were fairly affluent.
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We think the plan was that they were
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looking at an expensive item
on Craigslist...
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...and they thought, "If they have
an expensive item for sale,
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they probably have other expensive
things that we could steal."
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In that particular incident,
nobody was injured.
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They just stole the items.
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There was a clear escalation
to Jim and Charlene.
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We then turned to the media
for assistance.
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From the information
that Charlene was able to give us,
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we provided them with
a composite sketch of the suspects.
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We received dozens
and dozens of tips,
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and they're all over the state.
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So, there was lots of detectives
running around
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following up information
that, in the end, was not accurate,
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but we couldn't just
ignore possible good information.
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On Sunday, May 2nd, a tip was
called in from a supervisor
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at the San Mateo County Jail
in Redwood City, California.
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An officer in Daly City, California,
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sees a car from Washington State
missing the front plate.
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So, he conducts a traffic stop.
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During the course
of his traffic stop,
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he sees a gun in the car.
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And he also finds
a small amount of marijuana.
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He makes the arrest
on weapons violations,
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misdemeanour drug charges.
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So he gets the suspects
back to his precinct headquarters.
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Meanwhile, the clerk at the
San Mateo County Sheriff's Office
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finds information that there was
a homicide in Washington state...
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and she recognised that these three
individuals were an identical match
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for the suspects
from up north near Seattle.
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So, she tells the jail supervisor,
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"Hey, I think these people
that were just arrested
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are part of what happened
up in the Tacoma area."
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Amazing what she did.
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{\an8}She had read what was called
a BOLO report.
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{\an8}We'll send information
to other law enforcement agencies.
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They're called BOLOs -
"be on the lookout".
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I mean, you probably get
dozens of these, you know,
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every week at least,
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but that one person sees it,
remembers something, and acts on it.
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It is finally a break in the case.
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We discover that the
individuals arrested in Daly City
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were Kiyoshi Higashi -
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who is an Asian male -
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Amanda Knight, who had been
described as "exotic looking",
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and Joshua Reese,
who is a African-American male.
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Those three matched the descriptions
given to us by the family.
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This could be the break
that we are looking for.
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But depending on what the people
are in custody for down there,
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they could be released.
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We've got to get down there
as fast as we can.
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While we're packing
and running around,
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the administrative staff
in the sheriff's department
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is making the flight reservations,
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we've already notified
our prosecutor
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that's working the case as the lead,
and we're gone.
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My partner and I
fly down to California.
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Despite the frenzy
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that we went through
to get down to California,
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as quickly as we did...
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...when we arrived,
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Amanda Knight
had already bailed out of jail.
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And that was just a gut punch.
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So close
and now she's in the wind again.
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But fortunately,
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Joshua Reese and Kiyoshi Higashi
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were still there.
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We interviewed Kiyoshi Higashi.
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He is the one that Charlene
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had identified as the male
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that came in
with the woman at the door.
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Higashi is cocky and arrogant.
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We were aware that Higashi
had quite a criminal background
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and it goes all the way back
to age 11.
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We asked him where he was
the night of the murder in Edgewood
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and he tells us that he was spending
the night with his girlfriend.
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Then he said something to the effect
of "Edgewood, where's that?
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Never heard of Edgewood."
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And we're like, "Yeah,
we're pretty sure you have
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because you lived on
the east side of Tacoma,
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and Edgewood is just past that.
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You've been there."
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Due to his body language
and just the way he responded,
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you knew that he had
more information.
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He was clearly lying to us.
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It wasn't his first go
round the block.
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He'd been in the system
numerous times.
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He was gonna play the game
and try and weasel out.
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The interview,
it went for several hours
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and Higashi was obviously
not giving up anything.
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We just decide,
"You know what?
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We're not gonna get
anywhere with him."
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We terminated the interview.
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But then we interview Joshua Reese.
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Joshua Reese
was already known to police.
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He'd had several contacts
with them over the years.
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In 2008,
he was involved in a robbery
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and a subsequent car chase.
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Once the car was stopped,
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he fled on foot
but was found nearby.
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He also had four domestic violence
incidences with girlfriends
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In those he did end up pleading
guilty to misdemeanour violations.
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Joshua is a very young man.
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He's the youngest
of the three of them.
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And I think he's just overwhelmed,
over his head.
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We advised him
of his Miranda rights...
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which he waived.
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We told him we were there
investigating a homicide
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which occurred in Edgewood.
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And as soon as he heard that,
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he said, "I feel so bad about that.
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That man did not need
to lose his life like that
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in front of those kids."
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It was really remarkable.
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He just blurted that out,
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which tells me
that it was weighing on him.
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While not a confession,
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he somewhat put himself there
just by the knowledge he had.
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When that happened, my partner
and I kept a pretty good poker face.
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We didn't both look at each other
and go, "What the hell?"
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We just rolled right into it.
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As we're talking with him,
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we noticed that if we asked him
a direct question,
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like, "Tell me about
what life was like
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when you were living
here in California,"
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he'd answer the question,
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because he knew that we knew
that he was from California.
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My partner always carries
some Tic-Tac breath mints with him.
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And during the interview,
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when Reese saw
that little container,
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he just stared at them
like he had a... a habit for them.
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So we'd ask him a question.
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If he answered correctly,
we would give him some.
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If he didn't answer,
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we would just put it down
off to the side.
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And then he'd answer the question.
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As you gain experience,
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you learn to use the things that
they give you to your advantage.
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So, that's how
we broke the interview with Reese.
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Reese finally admitted
to being a part of the robbery
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of the Sanders family in Edgewood.
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Him and three others.
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He described it as a "house lick",
which is a robbery.
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Reese said they used
Bluetooth earpieces
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so they could communicate
with each other,
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and that when Amanda yelled,
"Get down, get down!"
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that was his cue to come in.
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He said that their plan
was to rob the diamond ring
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that was posted on Craigslist,
and while there,
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take any other items of value
they possibly could.
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There was no intent to harm anybody
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but things escalated
beyond what they thought.
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Reese can see that he's in trouble
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and is trying to do
anything he can at this point
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to stay as far away
from the others as possible.
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He identifies Kiyoshi Higashi...
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...as being the Asian male with them.
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He identifies Amanda Knight.
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And one other person...
but he only knew him as "G".
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He didn't know
his true name at that time.
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Reese also provides us
with a phone number
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and tells us he thinks
that's G's phone number.
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Through phone records we can
identify who that phone belongs to,
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and that helped us identify
Clabon Berniard...
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...who is identified
as the second gunman.
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After we get that information,
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we're able to obtain
an arrest warrant for Berniard.
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And Reese admitted
the rings were pawned
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at a pawn shop in San Francisco.
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We share the information
with San Francisco detectives
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and one of them
is sent to the pawn shop.
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They go through their records,
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they find the transaction
for a male gold wedding band.
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It was the ring
that was taken off Jim's hand.
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Right now, we're starting to feel
pretty good on this investigation.
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We now know the four individuals
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that were at the home
of Jim Sanders.
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We have two gunmen.
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We have some of the jewellery
that was stolen.
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But we need to find Clabon
and we need to find Amanda.
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We need to talk to them
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because we don't have
positive knowledge
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of who pulled the trigger
that shot and killed Jim Sanders.
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I showed Charlene
Amanda Knight's photograph.
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I used what was called
a photo line-up.
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Her reaction was...
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...unlike any reaction
I've ever received before or since.
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When she saw Amanda's picture,
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it just took her right back
to that moment in her house.
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Charlene was able
to identify Amanda Knight.
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Amanda and her family could see
that her face was all over the news,
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so she turned herself in.
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Amanda was able to tell us
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where the gun was that killed Jim...
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...that the gun was used by Higashi,
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and the gun was sold to an employee
at a nearby store.
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00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,280
And she said that it was Higashi
that killed Jim.
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This was huge.
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It was the first recollection
of who did it.
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We contact the person identified.
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He admits that he purchased
a gun from Higashi.
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He provides us the gun.
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It's a .380-calibre handgun.
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It has the same red-tip bullets,
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just like those recovered
in the autopsy of Jim.
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Having the weapon was another
huge break in the case.
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00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,680
Reese and Higashi both
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waived extradition from California,
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which means we get to just
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take custody of them,
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and they were transported
back to Washington.
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John escorted Reese back,
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and then myself
and another detective
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flew down to California
to escort Higashi.
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You know, when I sat next to him
on the plane, just made small talk,
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I was able to build up a rapport
with Higashi.
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He started
asking me questions like...
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..."So, what would happen
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if somebody were to go
in a house to steal stuff...
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...and somebody died?"
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Or, "What's the difference
between manslaughter and murder?"
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{\an8}In a case like this
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{\an8}where a suspect begins
throwing out hypothetical,
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what-if scenarios...
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they're digging
for what the police know,
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testing the waters to see, you know,
"How much trouble am I in?"
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I told him
that there's no set answer.
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You know, each one is different.
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It all depends on
what exactly happened.
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This tactic by the suspect
really opens up
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a game of psychological chess.
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I just kept talking to him
and told him that,
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"If you want, when we get back,
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I'll be more than happy
to listen to you
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and you can tell me
anything you want."
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Investigators
are going to be careful.
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They don't want to spook the person
from providing more information
500
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,200
for these hypotheticals
501
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,840
that may actually be
genuine criminal actions.
502
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,520
By the time we got back,
503
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Higashi told me
that he would like to talk to me.
504
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,720
And in the case
of some individuals,
505
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,640
their curiosity
gets the better of them.
506
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,760
They want to know
what the police know.
507
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,920
And the only way they're gonna
find that out is to finally say,
508
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,080
"OK, let's sit down."
509
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,640
And in this time,
510
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,920
Higashi admits to participating
in the robbery.
511
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,360
He gives us the business
512
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,000
where he pawned the rings -
513
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Charlene's wedding ring
514
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,000
and the ring that they were selling
on Craigslist.
515
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,280
But Higashi would not admit
to stomping on Charlene's head.
516
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,000
He would not admit to shooting Jim.
517
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800
He blamed that on Clabon Berniard.
518
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,960
He tells us that it was Berniard
who ratcheted up the violence,
519
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040
who kicked and stomped
and abused Charlene.
520
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,280
At this point, they're quickly
turning on each other.
521
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920
With everybody pointing the finger
at everybody else,
522
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960
we needed to know who it was
523
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,920
that pulled the trigger
and killed Jim Sanders.
524
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360
What we need now
is to talk to Clabon Berniard.
525
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,960
Local detectives had released
the name of Clabon Berniard,
526
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,240
the fourth suspect,
to the local media,
527
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,040
hoping to get the public's help
locating him.
528
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,480
And he, of course,
saw that he was on TV...
529
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,760
...and turned himself in
to the King County jail.
530
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Berniard has
extensive criminal history.
531
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,800
{\an8}Just here in Pierce County,
532
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,640
{\an8}more than 20 convictions
533
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,800
{\an8}of robbery, burglary, assault.
534
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,160
He's a bad guy.
535
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,320
But then he refused to talk to us.
536
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,840
He immediately invoked
his right to remain silent.
537
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080
He wanted a lawyer.
538
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,400
When a suspect
or person of interest
539
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,320
invokes their right
to remain silent,
540
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,320
really the interview
needs to stop.
541
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Police need to be very careful about
offering inducements or assurances
542
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,680
that can later
be turned around on them
543
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,560
and get the confession,
544
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,360
or any statement for that matter,
thrown out.
545
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600
And some people that have
been through the system a whole lot
546
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,200
learn "just don't talk".
547
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800
They'll just lawyer up
and not say anything.
548
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,560
We now had all four in custody.
549
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,800
Three of them had been interviewed
550
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,560
and their story
was nailed down on tape.
551
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080
The only person
that invoked his rights
552
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,760
and never gave a statement
was Clabon Berniard.
553
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280
And the questions
that still remained
554
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,760
were what each of them did
at the incident.
555
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,080
We receive a phone call
from a woman
556
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,840
who identified herself
as Mia Koelpin.
557
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,200
She said that she had found a purse
belonging to Charlene Sanders...
558
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,800
...who she recognised
from the media coverage
559
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120
as being one of the victims
in the home invasion robbery.
560
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,720
We drove up there
and she hands us the wallet
561
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,360
and a jeweller's appraisal
562
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280
for the ring that they were selling
on Craigslist.
563
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,560
We obtained a search warrant to
search the residence of Mia Koelpin,
564
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,760
and we found a cell phone
565
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,000
that belonged to Jimmy Jr.
566
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,640
So now the question is,
what is their tie to this?
567
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,720
How did they get this phone
that belongs to Jimmy Jr?
568
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Mia tells us that her daughter,
Mollie, is Higashi's girlfriend.
569
00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:30,960
We tried to get hold of Mollie,
570
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,640
but unfortunately she had just left
571
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,680
for training
with the National Guard.
572
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,440
We managed
to locate Mollie Koelpin
573
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,400
at her training programme
in Georgia.
574
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080
She was detained by the US Army,
575
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,440
charged with rendering
criminal assistance.
576
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,680
The detectives transported her
back here to Washington.
577
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Mollie Koelpin admits
578
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,960
that Higashi spent the night
579
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,560
of April 28th,
580
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,200
the night of the murder, with her,
581
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,360
tells her what happens,
582
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,880
and asked her to help get rid
of some of the evidence.
583
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,600
She told Kiyoshi, "You need
to get rid of your clothes.
584
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,040
Get rid of the stuff you took
so they can't put it on you."
585
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,400
And it was the next day that
Kiyoshi Higashi called Amanda Knight
586
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,680
and said,
"We got to get rid of this stuff."
587
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,120
Mollie, during the statement said,
that night,
588
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,000
while they were
laying in bed together,
589
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,120
and they were watching
the late-night news
590
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,960
about the murder,
591
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,800
Higashi told her...
592
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,120
...that he shot Jim.
593
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,920
We had developed
enough information that...
594
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,400
we knew that Mollie
595
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,360
was just protecting Higashi.
596
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,400
I think she was more scared
than anything else.
597
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,000
With Mollie's testimony
598
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,320
and the confessions
599
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,160
from three of these perpetrators,
600
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,280
we can finally piece together
what we think happened
601
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,520
the night that Jim Sanders
was murdered.
602
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Phone records show that it was
a non-traceable TracFone
603
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,240
that Amanda Knight used to set up
the appointment with Jim Sanders
604
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,560
to look at the ring that he had
posted for sale on Craigslist.
605
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,040
It was Amanda Knight
and Kiyoshi Higashi
606
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,440
that ended up going to the front
door of Jim and Charlene's home.
607
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,720
It was Jim Sanders
that opened that door.
608
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,800
And he had no idea...
609
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,280
...what kind of people
were lurking outside.
610
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,720
They identified themselves
611
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,080
as the ones
that are looking at the ring.
612
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,160
They started asking about the ring
613
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,360
until Jim called up to Charlene
and asked her to come downstairs.
614
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Higashi flashes a wad of cash
615
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,600
and says, "Will this be enough?"
616
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,240
And then he pulls out his gun.
617
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,240
Amanda Knight said,
"Get down! Get down!"
618
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920
Amanda had a Bluetooth she was using
619
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,280
to communicate with Joshua Reese
and Clabon Berniard.
620
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,120
When they got the signal
from Amanda,
621
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,240
they came rushing into the house.
622
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,040
Clabon was also
carrying a handgun...
623
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,000
...a .22-calibre Colt Revolver.
624
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,800
They zip-tie Jim and Charlene's
hands behind their back.
625
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Joshua Reese goes upstairs,
he finds the kids
626
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,680
and brings them
down into the kitchen.
627
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,360
And then Amanda and Joshua
began ransacking the home.
628
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,800
Clabon Berniard is the one
that's increasing the violence.
629
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,320
Clabon was becoming angry.
630
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,800
He believed that there was
more stuff in the house
631
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,000
and he wanted to know where
it was at, where was the safe?
632
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,280
He's yelling at Charlene.
633
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,800
He stomped on her head.
634
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,560
And Jim Sanders says,
"I'll open the safe for you."
635
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,920
And they picked him up by his wrists
that were zip-tied together
636
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,320
and one of the zip ties broke.
637
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,120
Jim is able to attack Kiyoshi.
638
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,000
Jim Jr jumps on Kiyoshi's back.
639
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,760
Kiyoshi, in return,
knocks Jimmy Jr off.
640
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,360
Somebody stomps on Jim's head
while he's down.
641
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,080
And then, during the fight,
642
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,320
unfortunately,
Jim is shot three times...
643
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,200
...and killed.
644
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Once the shots ring out,
all four of them just panic.
645
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,800
They all just fled
through the front door.
646
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,800
Leaving the family in pieces,
not knowing what happened
647
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560
and Jim bleeding
and dying on the floor.
648
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,000
Amanda Knight, Joshua Reese,
649
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,880
Clabon Berniard and Kiyoshi Higashi
650
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,080
were all charged
with first-degree murder,
651
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,120
robbery in the first degree,
652
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,120
assault, and burglary.
653
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,520
This is a case where the judge
severed all the defendants.
654
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,560
So, this case went to trial
four different times
655
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,840
for each of the four suspects.
656
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,840
Amanda Knight struck me
as a very clever person,
657
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,760
conniving and manipulative.
658
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,920
She's the one
who set up this robbery.
659
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,040
She set up the one
in Snohomish County as well.
660
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Joshua Reese is somebody
661
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,560
that could have gone
a completely different way.
662
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,800
He's more of a follower.
He got caught up with this
663
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640
and wound up
on the short end this time.
664
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,680
He's the guy who opened his mouth
665
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,520
and said,
"That man did not need to die."
666
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Clabon Berniard
is cool as a cucumber.
667
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,040
He never showed any emotion
of any kind that I could see.
668
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,960
Kiyoshi Higashi
is like Satan's spawn.
669
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,760
He has no remorse.
670
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,800
In 2011, all four
were convicted of these crimes.
671
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,480
Amanda Knight, the mastermind,
672
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,200
was sentenced to 71 years in prison.
673
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Joshua Reese was sentenced
to 100 years in prison.
674
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Clabon Berniard was sentenced
to 97 years in prison.
675
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,840
And Kiyoshi Higashi was sentenced
to 123 years in prison.
676
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,320
We didn't need to know
exactly who had pulled the trigger.
677
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,360
In our state,
once you sign on to commit a robbery
678
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,960
and somebody ends up dead,
679
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,520
you're all on the hook
for felony murder.
680
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,880
They went in guns drawn, loaded.
681
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,360
It wasn't an accident
that Jim was shot.
682
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,160
I think they drastically
underestimated Jim Sanders
683
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,880
and what lengths he would go to
to try to protect his family.
684
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,480
Charlene and the boys
testified in all four trials.
685
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,480
It was all very emotional.
686
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,320
The emotional impact of this crime
687
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,520
is still carried
by the Sanders family.
688
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Getting justice and getting
the perpetrators convicted
689
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,320
doesn't ever bring back
somebody like Jim Sanders.
690
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,760
He lost his own life.
It's a loss for his family.
691
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,560
It's a loss for our community.
692
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600
My partner and I go to the services.
693
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,920
Said, "Hey, we have
something for Charlene.
694
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,920
Can we have a moment with her?"
695
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,000
So, we meet with her
and we return...
696
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,520
...Jim's ring.
697
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,320
And she had someone open
the clasp on her necklace
698
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,840
and hung the ring on that.
699
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,400
They were just
selling an item on Craigslist.
700
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,280
Suddenly they're faced
with pure evil.
701
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,000
You don't conduct business
at your home
702
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,720
if you're selling something.
703
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,200
Meet them in a police parking lot.
704
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Meet them in a Safeway
or a Walmart parking lot.
705
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,160
They have great
exterior video camera coverage.
706
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,440
People are just not expecting
bad things to happen.
707
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,560
Jim and Charlene were not expecting
708
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,840
that this would be
the worst night of their life.
709
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,080
And then suddenly,
beyond their wildest beliefs...
710
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,080
...they open the door
and their lives are shattered.
711
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,960
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