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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,920 Jim had posted a diamond ring for sale on Craigslist. 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,840 He opens the door... 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,880 And that's when the trouble began. 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,360 He said, "Tell me the combination 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,240 or I'm gonna kill you." 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,960 And she hears three gunshots. 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,320 We needed to know who pulled that trigger. 8 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:35,720 We have four suspects, two gunmen, 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,760 and they're quickly turning on each other. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,320 These people are like Satan's spawn. 11 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:42,840 They went in, guns drawn, loaded. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,840 It wasn't an accident that Jim was shot. 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,280 They were just selling an item on Craigslist. 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,760 They opened the door and then suddenly... 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,360 ...their lives are shattered. 16 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,040 Edgewood, Washington is a small town. 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,880 It's located south of King County 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,160 where Seattle is. 19 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:21,280 It's a very rural community. 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,440 It's a sleepy community. 21 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,400 It's a place where the neighbours know each other. 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Everybody knows each other's kids. 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,680 They have nice homes, good schools. 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,920 It's a very family-friendly place. 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,280 It's a place that I would have raised my family. 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,560 It's just a very nice, comfortable area. 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,280 On the evening of April 28th, 2010, 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,080 the Sanders family is at home watching television upstairs. 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,040 On the couch is James Sanders, otherwise known as Jim, 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,160 and his wife Charlene. 31 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Both Jim and Charlene had sons when they married. 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,120 And with them in the house are Jim Jr and Chandler. 33 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,560 Jim is a tremendous family man. 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,280 He works for a construction company, 35 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 very active in his family and kids' lives. 36 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,440 They're the most important thing to him. 37 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,360 Charlene is a hairdresser. 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,120 They're good churchgoing people. 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,560 They're very active in their community. 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,800 She and Jim are madly in love. 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,760 At 9:18 the doorbell rings. 42 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,920 Even though it was late, James and Charlene were expecting somebody 43 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,520 that had responded to a Craigslist advertisement. 44 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,840 Jim had posted a diamond ring for sale. 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,480 He and Charlene were planning to use the money 46 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,480 for an upcoming family vacation. 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,600 He had made an appointment for a woman to come look at the ring. 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,280 Jim opens the door... 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,840 ..and he's greeted by a male and female 50 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,680 who said that they were there to look at the ring. 51 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,760 The male is an Asian male, probably in his early twenties, 52 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:21,400 and with him is a Caucasian female, 53 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,680 and she's also in her early twenties and has dark brown hair. 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,080 They ask a question about the ring that Jim can't answer. 55 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,360 So, Jim calls up to Charlene, who's upstairs. 56 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Charlene comes downstairs... 57 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,720 and for some reason, she knows something's wrong. 58 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,600 It just doesn't seem right. 59 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,200 The male flashes a wad of cash, 60 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,480 asks if this is enough, 61 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,520 and that's when the trouble began. 62 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Suddenly, he pulls out a .380 calibre handgun. 63 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,320 The female yells, "Get down, get down!" 64 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,440 ordering Charlene and Jim to the floor. 65 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,400 As this occurs, two more men then enter the home. 66 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,680 They are both twentyish black males. 67 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:20,400 One's thin, one's heavy. 68 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,280 They were both wearing bandanas, 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,640 covering the lower portions of their face. 70 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,360 One of them is armed with a .22-calibre Colt revolver. 71 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,320 The first male zip-ties Jim and Charlene's hands 72 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,560 behind their back. 73 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:36,920 Meanwhile, 74 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,880 the two African-American men went upstairs... 75 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 ...and dragged the two children down into the kitchen. 76 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,160 The kids were forced at gunpoint to lay down on the floor. 77 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,240 I can't imagine having the parents witness their kids go through this, 78 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,800 or the kids seeing their parents like that 79 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,520 and not know what's going on. 80 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Then the male with the revolver, 81 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,560 and the female, started ransacking the house. 82 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,200 They went through drawers in every bedroom, 83 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,840 drawers through the kitchen, 84 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,440 taking anything that looked like it had any value. 85 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,320 They found Charlene and Jimmy's cell phones and they took those. 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,800 They physically take the rings off of Charlene and Jim's hands. 87 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,240 Jim and Charlene are saying, 88 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,440 "Just take whatever you want and get out. Just leave us alone." 89 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,960 What happened was 90 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,960 they started ratcheting up the violence and threats. 91 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,320 The Asian male and the heavyset African-American male 92 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,680 were shouting at him, demanding to know, "Where are your valuables? 93 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:50,480 Where is your safe?" 94 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,960 They didn't have a safe. 95 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,160 Jim had a gun vault in the garage. 96 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,480 He was offering them the combination... 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,000 ...but they couldn't get it open. 98 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,840 The chubby black male... kicked Charlene several times. 99 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,360 He put the gun to the back of her head and said, 100 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,280 "Tell me the combination or I'm gonna kill you." 101 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,080 He was counting down... 102 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,160 ..."Three... 103 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,720 two... 104 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,200 one." 105 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,080 She was sure she was gonna be killed 106 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,000 in front of her husband and her children. 107 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,160 Jim said, "I'll open the safe for you. 108 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,040 I'll do it myself." 109 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,440 They picked him up by his zip-tied hands, 110 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,160 and when they picked him up... 111 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,080 ...one of the zip ties broke. 112 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,840 Jim's now struggling with 113 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,600 the initial male that came in the home. 114 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:06,720 The fight was so violent that the kitchen island - 115 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,240 it was a built-in island - was knocked out of alignment. 116 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Jimmy Jr was not secured in any way, 117 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,480 so he jumps up to help his father. 118 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,320 Jim Jr jumps on the Asian male's back 119 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,680 and the male throws him off and hits him several times 120 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,200 and pistol whips Jim Jr. 121 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,960 Jim fighting now, out of the kitchen into the foyer, 122 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,800 away from the family. 123 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,000 At some point, Jim's down on the floor. 124 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,560 And they've stomped his head. 125 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,320 Charlene's still laying on the ground, 126 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,760 and Chandler's in the kitchen also. 127 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,000 They can't see what's happening. 128 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,440 Charlene can hear the confrontation. 129 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,440 She can hear the yelling. 130 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,360 And she hears three gunshots. 131 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,600 After that, they grabbed what they could 132 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,680 and they fled the house. 133 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Charlene is still zip-tied with her hands behind her back, 134 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,720 yelling, "Jim! Jim, are you OK?" 135 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,880 He's not answering at all. 136 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,840 Jimmy Jr used a pair of scissors to cut that zip tie off. 137 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,720 And Jimmy sees Dad laying on the floor... 138 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,000 ...and he's not breathing. 139 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,080 But he thinks he still has a pulse. 140 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,200 And then Jimmy tries to give CPR to his father. 141 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,680 Chandler is frantic. 142 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,040 He calls 911. 143 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,760 Pierce County Sheriff's Department 144 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,880 is dispatched to investigate the scene. 145 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,040 Eight patrol deputies responded, 146 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,160 forensics officers, canine officers, 147 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,080 and homicide detectives. 148 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,440 They contact Charlene and her son, Chandler, 149 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,240 at the neighbour's house. 150 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,720 Jimmy Jr had been taken to the hospital. 151 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,400 I enter the home. 152 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,680 To the left of the main entrance... 153 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,760 ...Jim is deceased on the floor. 154 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,560 Right away, we found several shell cases on the ground. 155 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,000 There was one in the entryway, one in the living room, 156 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,880 and one right where the kitchen and entryway meet. 157 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,520 They're photographed and recovered as evidence. 158 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,840 Bullet casings can prove to be very important. 159 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,840 Number one, they can tell investigators 160 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,920 something about the calibre used, 161 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,440 but they can also yield both fingerprints as well as DNA. 162 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,400 When a bullet is loaded into a magazine, 163 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:02,760 it often requires significant force 164 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,800 that will leave epithelials or skin cells on that casing. 165 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,840 Upstairs bedroom had been obviously ransacked, 166 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,840 and don't know what, if anything, is stolen. 167 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,080 We have to talk to Charlene to find out exactly what is missing. 168 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,480 Charlene gives us a briefing of what happened 169 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,440 and explained the listing of the Craigslist ad. 170 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,800 She already had a huge goose egg welt on her forehead. 171 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,440 She's sitting across the table from me... 172 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,480 ...and I'm staring at that goose egg. 173 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,720 When I saw Charlene and the family, 174 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,520 all I could think about was my own. 175 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,080 And she asked me, "So, what am I supposed to do now? 176 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,960 How am I supposed to go on with my life?" 177 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,120 As you can tell, this case got to me. 178 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:13,000 I told my partner that... we need to catch these people. 179 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:16,960 One of the things that we did know was stolen 180 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,560 was Charlene and Jimmy's cell phones. 181 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,520 And we could use the GPS locators on those phones to track them. 182 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,680 We received a ping on Charlene's telephone. 183 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,320 It was just off one of the highways leading to and from the area. 184 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,960 After a search, 185 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,320 between the highway and the on-ramp, off-ramp, 186 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,280 we found the phone. 187 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,560 They were just discarded, 188 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,120 like it had been thrown from a moving car, likely. 189 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,320 There's lots of pressure involved in this case. 190 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,000 You know, it's a great family. 191 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,360 They're respected and admired and loved in the community. 192 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,800 And we're wanting to do, you know, everything we can 193 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,280 not just for them but everyone in that community. 194 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,880 Their sense of safety has just been shattered. 195 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,160 The autopsy confirmed Jim was shot once in the left knee... 196 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,520 ...once in the right thigh... 197 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:23,560 once in the right shoulder. 198 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,080 That round traversed his chest cavity, 199 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,720 punctured through his left lung and into the heart... 200 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,840 and that was the fatal shot. 201 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,480 From the bullets you could tell what size gun is fired. 202 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,840 These were .380-calibre bullets. 203 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,760 The bullets were unique. 204 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,480 They are red tip. 205 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,760 They were easily identifiable. 206 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,200 While casings can prove to be important forensic clues, 207 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,160 they're not as important as the actual projectile itself, 208 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,040 which contains what's known as rifling, 209 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,640 which is essentially a fingerprint for a bullet 210 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,560 and can be matched to a specific weapon 211 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,160 and provide definitive direct evidence. 212 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,360 On May 1st, we receive a ping on Jimmy Jr's phone 213 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,840 and the address of the ping that we received 214 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,640 comes back to a nearby residence. 215 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,160 The subjects at this residence are well known to police. 216 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,720 They are involved in burglaries and thefts 217 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,360 and actually have warrants for their arrest. 218 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,160 The SWAT team, they made entry... 219 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,960 ...secured everybody that was found in the house. 220 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,080 Peter Maddox and Keeley Gibson are detained for questioning. 221 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,360 Once it was secure, 222 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,680 they turned the scene over to us. 223 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,160 A search of the residence begins. 224 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,040 During this search, we called Jimmy's phone number... 225 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,120 ...and we found a phone with the SIM card from Jimmy's phone. 226 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,160 When questioned, Peter and Keeley, they claimed they didn't know 227 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,960 where the phone came from or who the phone belonged to. 228 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,240 They simply found a phone, 229 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,160 removed the SIM card and used up 230 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,880 all the remaining minutes on it. 231 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,000 He said, "I found this broken phone 232 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,520 when we were out for a walk." 233 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,600 He described to us his route that he went on the walk. 234 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,440 If a cell phone was broken, 235 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,200 there'd be pieces somewhere either up against the kerb, 236 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,720 in the middle of the lane of travel... 237 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,720 but there was nothing. 238 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,120 So, he's clearly lying to us. 239 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,320 We're not buying this story at all. 240 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,920 Just from the criminal history they have, it's too suspicious. 241 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,720 We do arrest Peter Maddox and Keeley Gibson 242 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,320 on their outstanding warrants. 243 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,320 A few days later, we received word 244 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,160 that there was a similar robbery 245 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,040 three days before the Sanders robbery. 246 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,400 This was up in Snohomish County, which is just north of us. 247 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,120 The residents were selling a large-screen TV on Craigslist. 248 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,880 And the buyers, when they showed up, 249 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,360 also zip-tied them and stole the TV, 250 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,840 and jewellery, and things like that. 251 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,480 Many home invasions 252 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,280 have considerable work put into 253 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,160 conning the occupants 254 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,360 to allow the offenders in with minimum resistance. 255 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,480 And this is frequently done by using false pretences, 256 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,640 to either coerce or trick the occupants 257 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,080 to opening the door and letting them in. 258 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,480 And once they're in, their real motive comes into focus. 259 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,280 In the Snohomish County incident, there are two suspects. 260 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,000 One was an Asian male and the other, a Caucasian female, 261 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,920 both in their early twenties. 262 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,840 Both of the residences were fairly affluent. 263 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,440 We think the plan was that they were 264 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,360 looking at an expensive item on Craigslist... 265 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,640 ...and they thought, "If they have an expensive item for sale, 266 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,480 they probably have other expensive things that we could steal." 267 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,120 In that particular incident, nobody was injured. 268 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,480 They just stole the items. 269 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,120 There was a clear escalation to Jim and Charlene. 270 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,000 We then turned to the media for assistance. 271 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,000 From the information that Charlene was able to give us, 272 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,040 we provided them with a composite sketch of the suspects. 273 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,000 We received dozens and dozens of tips, 274 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,000 and they're all over the state. 275 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,840 So, there was lots of detectives running around 276 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,280 following up information that, in the end, was not accurate, 277 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,840 but we couldn't just ignore possible good information. 278 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,360 On Sunday, May 2nd, a tip was called in from a supervisor 279 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,680 at the San Mateo County Jail in Redwood City, California. 280 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,920 An officer in Daly City, California, 281 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,120 sees a car from Washington State missing the front plate. 282 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,360 So, he conducts a traffic stop. 283 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,120 During the course of his traffic stop, 284 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,880 he sees a gun in the car. 285 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,440 And he also finds a small amount of marijuana. 286 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,560 He makes the arrest on weapons violations, 287 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,120 misdemeanour drug charges. 288 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,960 So he gets the suspects back to his precinct headquarters. 289 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,960 Meanwhile, the clerk at the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office 290 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:56,520 finds information that there was a homicide in Washington state... 291 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,120 and she recognised that these three individuals were an identical match 292 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,720 for the suspects from up north near Seattle. 293 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,240 So, she tells the jail supervisor, 294 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,840 "Hey, I think these people that were just arrested 295 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,440 are part of what happened up in the Tacoma area." 296 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,280 Amazing what she did. 297 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,160 {\an8}She had read what was called a BOLO report. 298 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,920 {\an8}We'll send information to other law enforcement agencies. 299 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,840 They're called BOLOs - "be on the lookout". 300 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,560 I mean, you probably get dozens of these, you know, 301 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,360 every week at least, 302 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,960 but that one person sees it, remembers something, and acts on it. 303 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,840 It is finally a break in the case. 304 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,480 We discover that the individuals arrested in Daly City 305 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,000 were Kiyoshi Higashi - 306 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,920 who is an Asian male - 307 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,920 Amanda Knight, who had been described as "exotic looking", 308 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,440 and Joshua Reese, who is a African-American male. 309 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,080 Those three matched the descriptions given to us by the family. 310 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,280 This could be the break that we are looking for. 311 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,040 But depending on what the people are in custody for down there, 312 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,600 they could be released. 313 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,640 We've got to get down there as fast as we can. 314 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,680 While we're packing and running around, 315 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,120 the administrative staff in the sheriff's department 316 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,040 is making the flight reservations, 317 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,200 we've already notified our prosecutor 318 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,480 that's working the case as the lead, and we're gone. 319 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,240 My partner and I fly down to California. 320 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,480 Despite the frenzy 321 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,160 that we went through to get down to California, 322 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,080 as quickly as we did... 323 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,040 ...when we arrived, 324 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,880 Amanda Knight had already bailed out of jail. 325 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,240 And that was just a gut punch. 326 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,440 So close and now she's in the wind again. 327 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,880 But fortunately, 328 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,800 Joshua Reese and Kiyoshi Higashi 329 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,640 were still there. 330 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,840 We interviewed Kiyoshi Higashi. 331 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,560 He is the one that Charlene 332 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,920 had identified as the male 333 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760 that came in with the woman at the door. 334 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,640 Higashi is cocky and arrogant. 335 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,840 We were aware that Higashi had quite a criminal background 336 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,480 and it goes all the way back to age 11. 337 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,600 We asked him where he was the night of the murder in Edgewood 338 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,960 and he tells us that he was spending the night with his girlfriend. 339 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,360 Then he said something to the effect of "Edgewood, where's that? 340 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,120 Never heard of Edgewood." 341 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,440 And we're like, "Yeah, we're pretty sure you have 342 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,640 because you lived on the east side of Tacoma, 343 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,240 and Edgewood is just past that. 344 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,200 You've been there." 345 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:12,200 Due to his body language and just the way he responded, 346 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,480 you knew that he had more information. 347 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,560 He was clearly lying to us. 348 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,480 It wasn't his first go round the block. 349 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,240 He'd been in the system numerous times. 350 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,880 He was gonna play the game and try and weasel out. 351 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,040 The interview, it went for several hours 352 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,800 and Higashi was obviously not giving up anything. 353 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,880 We just decide, "You know what? 354 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,480 We're not gonna get anywhere with him." 355 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,680 We terminated the interview. 356 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,520 But then we interview Joshua Reese. 357 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,920 Joshua Reese was already known to police. 358 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,000 He'd had several contacts with them over the years. 359 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,880 In 2008, he was involved in a robbery 360 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,240 and a subsequent car chase. 361 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,360 Once the car was stopped, 362 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,280 he fled on foot but was found nearby. 363 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:11,440 He also had four domestic violence incidences with girlfriends 364 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,600 In those he did end up pleading guilty to misdemeanour violations. 365 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,160 Joshua is a very young man. 366 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,320 He's the youngest of the three of them. 367 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,000 And I think he's just overwhelmed, over his head. 368 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,960 We advised him of his Miranda rights... 369 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,200 which he waived. 370 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,640 We told him we were there investigating a homicide 371 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,480 which occurred in Edgewood. 372 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,720 And as soon as he heard that, 373 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,400 he said, "I feel so bad about that. 374 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,840 That man did not need to lose his life like that 375 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,600 in front of those kids." 376 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,360 It was really remarkable. 377 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,840 He just blurted that out, 378 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,360 which tells me that it was weighing on him. 379 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,680 While not a confession, 380 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,480 he somewhat put himself there just by the knowledge he had. 381 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,800 When that happened, my partner and I kept a pretty good poker face. 382 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,440 We didn't both look at each other and go, "What the hell?" 383 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,160 We just rolled right into it. 384 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 As we're talking with him, 385 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,720 we noticed that if we asked him a direct question, 386 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240 like, "Tell me about what life was like 387 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,600 when you were living here in California," 388 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,440 he'd answer the question, 389 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,960 because he knew that we knew that he was from California. 390 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,880 My partner always carries some Tic-Tac breath mints with him. 391 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,520 And during the interview, 392 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,360 when Reese saw that little container, 393 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,760 he just stared at them like he had a... a habit for them. 394 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,640 So we'd ask him a question. 395 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,440 If he answered correctly, we would give him some. 396 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,480 If he didn't answer, 397 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,840 we would just put it down off to the side. 398 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,360 And then he'd answer the question. 399 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,520 As you gain experience, 400 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,040 you learn to use the things that they give you to your advantage. 401 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,920 So, that's how we broke the interview with Reese. 402 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,120 Reese finally admitted to being a part of the robbery 403 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,160 of the Sanders family in Edgewood. 404 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,400 Him and three others. 405 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,000 He described it as a "house lick", which is a robbery. 406 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,560 Reese said they used Bluetooth earpieces 407 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,720 so they could communicate with each other, 408 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,280 and that when Amanda yelled, "Get down, get down!" 409 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,560 that was his cue to come in. 410 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,080 He said that their plan was to rob the diamond ring 411 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,760 that was posted on Craigslist, and while there, 412 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680 take any other items of value they possibly could. 413 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,400 There was no intent to harm anybody 414 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,680 but things escalated beyond what they thought. 415 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,000 Reese can see that he's in trouble 416 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,360 and is trying to do anything he can at this point 417 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,640 to stay as far away from the others as possible. 418 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,960 He identifies Kiyoshi Higashi... 419 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,560 ...as being the Asian male with them. 420 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,920 He identifies Amanda Knight. 421 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,200 And one other person... but he only knew him as "G". 422 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,640 He didn't know his true name at that time. 423 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,280 Reese also provides us with a phone number 424 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,200 and tells us he thinks that's G's phone number. 425 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Through phone records we can identify who that phone belongs to, 426 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,480 and that helped us identify Clabon Berniard... 427 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,640 ...who is identified as the second gunman. 428 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,320 After we get that information, 429 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,800 we're able to obtain an arrest warrant for Berniard. 430 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,760 And Reese admitted the rings were pawned 431 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,640 at a pawn shop in San Francisco. 432 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,920 We share the information with San Francisco detectives 433 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,680 and one of them is sent to the pawn shop. 434 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,680 They go through their records, 435 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,320 they find the transaction for a male gold wedding band. 436 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,560 It was the ring that was taken off Jim's hand. 437 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,640 Right now, we're starting to feel pretty good on this investigation. 438 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,040 We now know the four individuals 439 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,960 that were at the home of Jim Sanders. 440 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,280 We have two gunmen. 441 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,640 We have some of the jewellery that was stolen. 442 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,440 But we need to find Clabon and we need to find Amanda. 443 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,800 We need to talk to them 444 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,760 because we don't have positive knowledge 445 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,160 of who pulled the trigger that shot and killed Jim Sanders. 446 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,240 I showed Charlene Amanda Knight's photograph. 447 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280 I used what was called a photo line-up. 448 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,200 Her reaction was... 449 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,240 ...unlike any reaction I've ever received before or since. 450 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,400 When she saw Amanda's picture, 451 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,560 it just took her right back to that moment in her house. 452 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Charlene was able to identify Amanda Knight. 453 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,400 Amanda and her family could see that her face was all over the news, 454 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,120 so she turned herself in. 455 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,960 Amanda was able to tell us 456 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,240 where the gun was that killed Jim... 457 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,720 ...that the gun was used by Higashi, 458 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,280 and the gun was sold to an employee at a nearby store. 459 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,280 And she said that it was Higashi that killed Jim. 460 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,040 This was huge. 461 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,000 It was the first recollection of who did it. 462 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,280 We contact the person identified. 463 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,480 He admits that he purchased a gun from Higashi. 464 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,600 He provides us the gun. 465 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,080 It's a .380-calibre handgun. 466 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,080 It has the same red-tip bullets, 467 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,280 just like those recovered in the autopsy of Jim. 468 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,760 Having the weapon was another huge break in the case. 469 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,680 Reese and Higashi both 470 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,520 waived extradition from California, 471 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,360 which means we get to just 472 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,880 take custody of them, 473 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,640 and they were transported back to Washington. 474 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,680 John escorted Reese back, 475 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,880 and then myself and another detective 476 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,960 flew down to California to escort Higashi. 477 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,800 You know, when I sat next to him on the plane, just made small talk, 478 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,160 I was able to build up a rapport with Higashi. 479 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,440 He started asking me questions like... 480 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920 ..."So, what would happen 481 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,200 if somebody were to go in a house to steal stuff... 482 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,360 ...and somebody died?" 483 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,680 Or, "What's the difference between manslaughter and murder?" 484 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,680 {\an8}In a case like this 485 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,960 {\an8}where a suspect begins throwing out hypothetical, 486 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,160 what-if scenarios... 487 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280 they're digging for what the police know, 488 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,480 testing the waters to see, you know, "How much trouble am I in?" 489 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280 I told him that there's no set answer. 490 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,960 You know, each one is different. 491 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,760 It all depends on what exactly happened. 492 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,000 This tactic by the suspect really opens up 493 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,320 a game of psychological chess. 494 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,080 I just kept talking to him and told him that, 495 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,600 "If you want, when we get back, 496 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400 I'll be more than happy to listen to you 497 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,920 and you can tell me anything you want." 498 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,120 Investigators are going to be careful. 499 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,640 They don't want to spook the person from providing more information 500 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,200 for these hypotheticals 501 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,840 that may actually be genuine criminal actions. 502 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,520 By the time we got back, 503 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,160 Higashi told me that he would like to talk to me. 504 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,720 And in the case of some individuals, 505 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,640 their curiosity gets the better of them. 506 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,760 They want to know what the police know. 507 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,920 And the only way they're gonna find that out is to finally say, 508 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,080 "OK, let's sit down." 509 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,640 And in this time, 510 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,920 Higashi admits to participating in the robbery. 511 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,360 He gives us the business 512 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,000 where he pawned the rings - 513 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,440 Charlene's wedding ring 514 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,000 and the ring that they were selling on Craigslist. 515 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,280 But Higashi would not admit to stomping on Charlene's head. 516 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,000 He would not admit to shooting Jim. 517 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800 He blamed that on Clabon Berniard. 518 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,960 He tells us that it was Berniard who ratcheted up the violence, 519 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040 who kicked and stomped and abused Charlene. 520 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,280 At this point, they're quickly turning on each other. 521 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920 With everybody pointing the finger at everybody else, 522 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960 we needed to know who it was 523 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,920 that pulled the trigger and killed Jim Sanders. 524 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360 What we need now is to talk to Clabon Berniard. 525 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,960 Local detectives had released the name of Clabon Berniard, 526 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,240 the fourth suspect, to the local media, 527 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,040 hoping to get the public's help locating him. 528 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,480 And he, of course, saw that he was on TV... 529 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,760 ...and turned himself in to the King County jail. 530 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400 Berniard has extensive criminal history. 531 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,800 {\an8}Just here in Pierce County, 532 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,640 {\an8}more than 20 convictions 533 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,800 {\an8}of robbery, burglary, assault. 534 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,160 He's a bad guy. 535 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,320 But then he refused to talk to us. 536 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,840 He immediately invoked his right to remain silent. 537 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080 He wanted a lawyer. 538 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,400 When a suspect or person of interest 539 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,320 invokes their right to remain silent, 540 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,320 really the interview needs to stop. 541 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,520 Police need to be very careful about offering inducements or assurances 542 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,680 that can later be turned around on them 543 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,560 and get the confession, 544 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,360 or any statement for that matter, thrown out. 545 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600 And some people that have been through the system a whole lot 546 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,200 learn "just don't talk". 547 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800 They'll just lawyer up and not say anything. 548 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,560 We now had all four in custody. 549 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,800 Three of them had been interviewed 550 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,560 and their story was nailed down on tape. 551 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080 The only person that invoked his rights 552 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,760 and never gave a statement was Clabon Berniard. 553 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280 And the questions that still remained 554 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,760 were what each of them did at the incident. 555 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,080 We receive a phone call from a woman 556 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,840 who identified herself as Mia Koelpin. 557 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,200 She said that she had found a purse belonging to Charlene Sanders... 558 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,800 ...who she recognised from the media coverage 559 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120 as being one of the victims in the home invasion robbery. 560 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,720 We drove up there and she hands us the wallet 561 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,360 and a jeweller's appraisal 562 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280 for the ring that they were selling on Craigslist. 563 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,560 We obtained a search warrant to search the residence of Mia Koelpin, 564 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,760 and we found a cell phone 565 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,000 that belonged to Jimmy Jr. 566 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,640 So now the question is, what is their tie to this? 567 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,720 How did they get this phone that belongs to Jimmy Jr? 568 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040 Mia tells us that her daughter, Mollie, is Higashi's girlfriend. 569 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:30,960 We tried to get hold of Mollie, 570 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,640 but unfortunately she had just left 571 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,680 for training with the National Guard. 572 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,440 We managed to locate Mollie Koelpin 573 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,400 at her training programme in Georgia. 574 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080 She was detained by the US Army, 575 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,440 charged with rendering criminal assistance. 576 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,680 The detectives transported her back here to Washington. 577 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Mollie Koelpin admits 578 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,960 that Higashi spent the night 579 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,560 of April 28th, 580 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,200 the night of the murder, with her, 581 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,360 tells her what happens, 582 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,880 and asked her to help get rid of some of the evidence. 583 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,600 She told Kiyoshi, "You need to get rid of your clothes. 584 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,040 Get rid of the stuff you took so they can't put it on you." 585 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,400 And it was the next day that Kiyoshi Higashi called Amanda Knight 586 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,680 and said, "We got to get rid of this stuff." 587 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,120 Mollie, during the statement said, that night, 588 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,000 while they were laying in bed together, 589 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,120 and they were watching the late-night news 590 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,960 about the murder, 591 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,800 Higashi told her... 592 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,120 ...that he shot Jim. 593 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,920 We had developed enough information that... 594 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,400 we knew that Mollie 595 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,360 was just protecting Higashi. 596 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,400 I think she was more scared than anything else. 597 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,000 With Mollie's testimony 598 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,320 and the confessions 599 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,160 from three of these perpetrators, 600 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,280 we can finally piece together what we think happened 601 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,520 the night that Jim Sanders was murdered. 602 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,480 Phone records show that it was a non-traceable TracFone 603 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,240 that Amanda Knight used to set up the appointment with Jim Sanders 604 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,560 to look at the ring that he had posted for sale on Craigslist. 605 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,040 It was Amanda Knight and Kiyoshi Higashi 606 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,440 that ended up going to the front door of Jim and Charlene's home. 607 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,720 It was Jim Sanders that opened that door. 608 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,800 And he had no idea... 609 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,280 ...what kind of people were lurking outside. 610 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,720 They identified themselves 611 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,080 as the ones that are looking at the ring. 612 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,160 They started asking about the ring 613 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,360 until Jim called up to Charlene and asked her to come downstairs. 614 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600 Higashi flashes a wad of cash 615 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,600 and says, "Will this be enough?" 616 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,240 And then he pulls out his gun. 617 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,240 Amanda Knight said, "Get down! Get down!" 618 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920 Amanda had a Bluetooth she was using 619 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,280 to communicate with Joshua Reese and Clabon Berniard. 620 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,120 When they got the signal from Amanda, 621 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,240 they came rushing into the house. 622 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,040 Clabon was also carrying a handgun... 623 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,000 ...a .22-calibre Colt Revolver. 624 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,800 They zip-tie Jim and Charlene's hands behind their back. 625 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,360 Joshua Reese goes upstairs, he finds the kids 626 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,680 and brings them down into the kitchen. 627 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,360 And then Amanda and Joshua began ransacking the home. 628 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,800 Clabon Berniard is the one that's increasing the violence. 629 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,320 Clabon was becoming angry. 630 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,800 He believed that there was more stuff in the house 631 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,000 and he wanted to know where it was at, where was the safe? 632 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,280 He's yelling at Charlene. 633 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,800 He stomped on her head. 634 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,560 And Jim Sanders says, "I'll open the safe for you." 635 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,920 And they picked him up by his wrists that were zip-tied together 636 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,320 and one of the zip ties broke. 637 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,120 Jim is able to attack Kiyoshi. 638 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,000 Jim Jr jumps on Kiyoshi's back. 639 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,760 Kiyoshi, in return, knocks Jimmy Jr off. 640 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,360 Somebody stomps on Jim's head while he's down. 641 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,080 And then, during the fight, 642 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,320 unfortunately, Jim is shot three times... 643 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,200 ...and killed. 644 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,080 Once the shots ring out, all four of them just panic. 645 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,800 They all just fled through the front door. 646 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,800 Leaving the family in pieces, not knowing what happened 647 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560 and Jim bleeding and dying on the floor. 648 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,000 Amanda Knight, Joshua Reese, 649 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,880 Clabon Berniard and Kiyoshi Higashi 650 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,080 were all charged with first-degree murder, 651 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,120 robbery in the first degree, 652 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,120 assault, and burglary. 653 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,520 This is a case where the judge severed all the defendants. 654 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,560 So, this case went to trial four different times 655 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,840 for each of the four suspects. 656 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,840 Amanda Knight struck me as a very clever person, 657 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,760 conniving and manipulative. 658 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,920 She's the one who set up this robbery. 659 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,040 She set up the one in Snohomish County as well. 660 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,440 Joshua Reese is somebody 661 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,560 that could have gone a completely different way. 662 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,800 He's more of a follower. He got caught up with this 663 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640 and wound up on the short end this time. 664 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,680 He's the guy who opened his mouth 665 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,520 and said, "That man did not need to die." 666 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,080 Clabon Berniard is cool as a cucumber. 667 00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,040 He never showed any emotion of any kind that I could see. 668 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,960 Kiyoshi Higashi is like Satan's spawn. 669 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,760 He has no remorse. 670 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,800 In 2011, all four were convicted of these crimes. 671 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,480 Amanda Knight, the mastermind, 672 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,200 was sentenced to 71 years in prison. 673 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680 Joshua Reese was sentenced to 100 years in prison. 674 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,120 Clabon Berniard was sentenced to 97 years in prison. 675 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,840 And Kiyoshi Higashi was sentenced to 123 years in prison. 676 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,320 We didn't need to know exactly who had pulled the trigger. 677 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,360 In our state, once you sign on to commit a robbery 678 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,960 and somebody ends up dead, 679 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,520 you're all on the hook for felony murder. 680 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,880 They went in guns drawn, loaded. 681 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,360 It wasn't an accident that Jim was shot. 682 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,160 I think they drastically underestimated Jim Sanders 683 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,880 and what lengths he would go to to try to protect his family. 684 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,480 Charlene and the boys testified in all four trials. 685 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,480 It was all very emotional. 686 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,320 The emotional impact of this crime 687 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,520 is still carried by the Sanders family. 688 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,680 Getting justice and getting the perpetrators convicted 689 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,320 doesn't ever bring back somebody like Jim Sanders. 690 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,760 He lost his own life. It's a loss for his family. 691 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,560 It's a loss for our community. 692 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600 My partner and I go to the services. 693 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,920 Said, "Hey, we have something for Charlene. 694 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,920 Can we have a moment with her?" 695 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,000 So, we meet with her and we return... 696 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,520 ...Jim's ring. 697 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,320 And she had someone open the clasp on her necklace 698 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,840 and hung the ring on that. 699 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,400 They were just selling an item on Craigslist. 700 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,280 Suddenly they're faced with pure evil. 701 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,000 You don't conduct business at your home 702 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,720 if you're selling something. 703 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,200 Meet them in a police parking lot. 704 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560 Meet them in a Safeway or a Walmart parking lot. 705 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,160 They have great exterior video camera coverage. 706 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,440 People are just not expecting bad things to happen. 707 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,560 Jim and Charlene were not expecting 708 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,840 that this would be the worst night of their life. 709 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,080 And then suddenly, beyond their wildest beliefs... 710 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,080 ...they open the door and their lives are shattered. 711 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,960 {\an8}Subtitles by Sky Access Services 57413

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