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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,200 She could completely light up the whole room with one smile. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,000 She just loved to draw and paint. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,320 That craft room was her sanctuary. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,640 Kelli has a visitor at the door. 5 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:17,920 She knows the person. 6 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,840 She really trusted whoever she let into her home. 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,600 She realises she has made a big mistake. 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,080 So, who did Kelli open the door to? 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,320 In 2017, Princeton, Texas was a small town in Collin County 10 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:51,800 {\an8}with a population of about 10,000 people. 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,560 If you're looking for a small-town vibe, 12 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:56,960 a rural community, 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,000 {\an8}it could be a good place to raise a family. 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,720 Princeton, Texas is north of the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex. 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,240 It's about 30 to 45 minutes from downtown Dallas proper. 16 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,360 And it's one of those small towns 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,080 that it feels like the city of Dallas and the metroplex 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,600 has kind of grown around it, 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,720 but it still has that small-town feel. 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Princeton has its own crime, just like any other place, 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,080 but when it comes to working homicide investigations, 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,560 that's just something at the time that was really unheard of. 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,720 46-year-old Kelli Underwood has moved to Princeton, Texas 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,840 to start a new chapter in her life. 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,800 She was very outgoing. 26 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:42,520 She was very humble. 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,880 {\an8}She could walk into a room 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,520 {\an8}and completely light up the room with one smile. 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,680 She was just a great person. 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Kelli was looking to make a fresh start. 31 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,960 She'd had two failed marriages at that time. 32 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,680 She has three children and she needs to find stability and a new job. 33 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,800 It definitely was a change of pace for her 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,120 compared to, like, where we lived prior. 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,000 Princeton was just a cute little country town, 36 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,040 and that's where she envisioned herself being at, 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,760 and that's just where she wanted to build her life 38 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:22,440 and start over and start fresh. 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,520 In the fall of 2017, 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Kelli was living on her own in a rental home in Princeton. 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,640 The neighbourhood where Kelli was living, 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,400 within a half a mile or so, was downtown Princeton. 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,960 It was a pretty well-travelled area. 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,760 She was living on her own cos I was living elsewhere 45 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:44,320 cos I had graduated 46 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,040 and I lived about three miles down the road 47 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,200 in another house at that time. 48 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,280 We did better apart, but I tried to visit her as much as I could. 49 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,080 Kelli had a craft room upstairs on the second floor. 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,840 She loved crafting. 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Her house was always decorated, no matter the holiday. 52 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,600 She was big on creating her own, like, Christmas and Halloween 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,720 and, like, New Year's decorations. 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,160 She loved to draw, and paint, and spray paint, and cut things, 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,160 and that was just something that she loved to do. 56 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,360 But that craft room was her... her sanctuary. 57 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,480 So, late in the day on September 16th, 2017, 58 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,520 Kelli has a visitor at the door. 59 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,440 And that person will be responsible for her death. 60 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,360 We had plans to get together on the weekend, 61 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,280 and I had reached out to her a couple of times. 62 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,640 I had called her. There was no response. 63 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,160 I was worried, but I did not want to think, 64 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,000 like, something bad had happened. 65 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,240 There was just something in my body 66 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,720 that told me I needed to go check on her. 67 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,160 When I arrived at the house, I walked up the driveway 68 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,560 and I noticed that her keys were still in the truck, 69 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,640 and her wallet was open inside of the truck, 70 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,280 and that was not normal at all. 71 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,080 Kayden knocks on the door a few times 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,960 and she realises the door was left open and it had been unlocked. 73 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,280 At that point, I kinda, like, called out to her and was like, 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,520 "Mom," you know, "Are you here?" 75 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,960 I remember opening the front door and the first thing that I noticed 76 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,240 was there was a... like, a table that she had made, 77 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,760 that it was on its side, like it had been knocked over. 78 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,800 Her TV was on the floor. 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,240 It looked as if there was furniture being moved around. 80 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,240 All things that are very unusual for Kelli 81 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,400 because everything had its place. 82 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:58,720 There was a very distinct smell when I walked into the house. 83 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,920 It was just really strong and abnormal. 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,480 And the TV was on dubstep music. 85 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,080 She does not listen to anything like that, 86 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,800 like, electronic music, at all. 87 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,800 It's always country music. 88 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,760 But I remember walking around the kitchen 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,200 and there was as if somebody had made nachos 90 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,840 and just left everything out. 91 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,320 Which was very abnormal for her. 92 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,400 And as I walking up the stairs, 93 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,440 I called out to her a couple more times. 94 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,640 I remember looking into her bedroom and everything was nice and neat. 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,560 So, Kayden walks into the craft room 96 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,200 and immediately notices disarray. 97 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Things have been toppled over, entire filing cabinets or chairs. 98 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,840 I could see her legs... 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,400 ...cos she was on the ground, 100 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,560 and I, like, said something along the lines of, 101 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,400 "You're not funny," like, "You need to get up." 102 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,080 She was up against the closet door 103 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,920 and she was just kinda like slumped over on the laundry basket, 104 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,560 as if she was asleep. 105 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,200 And I called out to her a couple of times 106 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,120 and I just remember, 107 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:09,400 like, kinda like, lifting her head up just a little bit, 108 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,760 and it's as if, like, her eyes were white. 109 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,240 So, I called 911, and the 911 operators 110 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,000 asked me to check for a pulse. 111 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,800 And at that point I went to go check for a pulse 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,520 and my hand, like, grazed her legs and she was ice. 113 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:28,760 But the 911 operators just told me to, like, go downstairs 114 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,520 and, like, wait for someone to get there, 115 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,000 to not touch anything that was around me. 116 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,080 I went downstairs and went to her truck, 117 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,360 and I opened the, like, the truck door 118 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,040 to just go, like, check her truck and sit in the truck for a second. 119 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,640 Shortly after six o'clock when the 911 call was made, 120 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,440 the Princeton Police Department responded within minutes. 121 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,040 And they, like, blocked the doors off 122 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,080 and wouldn't let me go back inside. 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,160 That's kinda when the screaming started, 124 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,360 cos I was like, "I don't know how to handle this situation. 125 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Y'all won't let me go inside and see her again." 126 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,040 When Princeton Police Department officers respond, 127 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,560 they go upstairs, they find Kelli. 128 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,240 It's clear that Kelli has been gone for a few days 129 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,600 and there's no hope of reviving her. 130 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,600 When Princeton police officers take a closer look, 131 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,280 they can clearly see stab wounds and gunshot wounds on Kelli's body. 132 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,920 They can tell by the disarray in the room, 133 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,160 things being toppled over, out of place, 134 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,120 that there was a struggle. 135 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,680 And it looks like Kelli probably fought for her life. 136 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,960 The Collin County Sheriff's Office crime scene unit 137 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,760 collects five bullet casings in the craft room. 138 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,520 They are .22 calibre bullet casings. 139 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,080 So, it tells them that they're looking for a .22 calibre firearm. 140 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,800 It's not a revolver because it's a firearm 141 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,080 that releases the casings along with the bullet. 142 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,920 They notice multiple gunshot wounds, a couple to her legs, 143 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,280 or her lower extremities, a couple to her upper right arm, 144 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,880 and a couple to the chest. 145 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,520 They also notice stab wounds. 146 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,000 She's got two to the head, one to the right side of her face, 147 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,920 and one to the right side of her temple. 148 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,120 She's got stab wounds around her neck, 149 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,840 and even what we call incise wounds that aren't quite as deep. 150 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,120 {\an8}The combination of weapons used in this case 151 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,880 {\an8}really provides police with one of two scenarios, 152 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,520 either two offenders, 153 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,600 one armed with a gun, one armed with a knife, 154 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,600 or a murder that perhaps began as a knife attack 155 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,880 and then was required to escalate to the use of a firearm. 156 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,520 Maybe she resisted, 157 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:35,960 maybe they were not as effective with the knife as they anticipated. 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,880 There was no signs of any sexual assault, anything like that. 159 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,680 It appeared to be a crime of personal violence. 160 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,360 The first responders from the Princeton Police Department, 161 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,400 realising that they now have a homicide investigation, 162 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:52,840 they make the right call. 163 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,720 They're a small department, they haven't had a murder in decades, 164 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,040 and so, they know they need to call in help. 165 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,200 So, they call the Texas Rangers. 166 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,480 The Texas Rangers are an elite unit 167 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,640 within the Department of Public Safety 168 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,880 who specialise in homicide. 169 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,040 I was at church with my family when I got called. 170 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,160 Anytime you get a call where there's a potential homicide 171 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,840 or even a death investigation, 172 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,920 you try to get there as fast as you can 173 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,160 because preservation of evidence 174 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,800 is essential to an investigation like this. 175 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,920 The first step into that house, it's just disarray. 176 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,080 It was apparent that Kelli didn't live the way that it looked. 177 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,640 There were security cameras on the outside 178 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,640 and inside the residence, 179 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,720 but unfortunately, we found out 180 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,240 that the ones on the outside had been disabled 181 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,080 and the ones inside were not connected either. 182 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,560 The mess in the kitchen was just really unkept. 183 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Nobody had cleaned up from their last meal. 184 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,720 And so, what we were able to do 185 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,280 is collect some of those things, like the utensils, 186 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,280 for potential forensic evidence. 187 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,360 The backyard shows that there have been people there recently. 188 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,160 She doesn't smoke, and yet there's cigarette butts 189 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,920 scattered all across her backyard patio. 190 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:18,000 There are soda cans that she doesn't drink, open and left outside. 191 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,680 When we open the dryer, 192 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:25,440 there's a flame-retardant racing suit in the dryer. 193 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,760 And so, 194 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,600 nothing that we had seen or heard 195 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,280 from people that knew from Kelli 196 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,840 had indicated to us that Kelli had anything to do with racing. 197 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,640 It was just one more layer of evidence 198 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,320 that indicated to us that there were numerous people 199 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,920 that had been in the home 200 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,960 and potentially involved in the murder. 201 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,720 But based on what we're seeing... 202 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,520 there are certainly things that you would suspect to have been taken, 203 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:55,920 if it was a robbery, that are still there. 204 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,560 Investigators were not able to find 205 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,320 any signs of forced entry into Kelli's home. 206 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,120 And that told them that Kelli knew who killed her. 207 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,240 She had let them in. 208 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,680 So, who did Kelli open the door to? 209 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,960 It's standard in any homicide investigation 210 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,120 to start looking at the people that are closest to the victim - 211 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,880 the family members, the close friends. 212 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,600 So, in speaking to Kayden, they find out that, like any mother-daughter, 213 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,480 they had a rocky relationship, right? 214 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,960 They would fight. Kayden didn't want to live with her mom. 215 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,160 They had a very... at times, volatile relationship. 216 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,920 So, Kayden, she was as much of a person of interest as anyone else. 217 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,280 Investigators in these types of cases 218 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,120 have to start considering 219 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,480 the history of the family relationships. 220 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Sometimes volatile relationships can escalate to murder. 221 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,400 I think that it was fair to say 222 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,160 that Kelli really trusted whoever she let into her home. 223 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,320 It was impossible to rule anyone out. 224 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,280 I was put in a cop car fairly quickly after I found her. 225 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,120 I wasn't given time to process anything that was happening. 226 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,400 It was just them saying like, 227 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,040 {\an8}"Hey, we have to take you up to the police station." 228 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,000 I had communicated, you know, 229 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,400 to Bruce, that our relationship was a little rocky. 230 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:30,200 He asked on multiple occasions if I was the one who did it. 231 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,680 It just made me very uneasy because it's like, I'm her daughter, 232 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,200 I would never in a million years do anything to harm her. 233 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,560 So, to be thorough in their investigation, 234 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,640 {\an8}they're gonna try to build a timeline for Kayden 235 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:42,840 {\an8}in the days and hours 236 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,320 leading up to Kelli's murder. 237 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,160 They're going to interview the people that she stays with. 238 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,560 Figure out where she was. 239 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,840 See if there are any firearms around. 240 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,600 {\an8}There was a boyfriend involved that was suspicious. 241 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,200 The night that I talked to Kayden, 242 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,120 he was standing outside the police department, 243 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,800 didn't want to come in. 244 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,720 There just... Something was off. 245 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,440 So, the investigation led us to the home 246 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,680 where she was staying with her boyfriend, 247 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,760 and the family gave us consent to come in their home. 248 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,840 And they actually identified a firearm 249 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,840 that the boyfriend had recently used, 250 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,240 that was a .22 calibre, which matched the same calibre 251 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,000 of the spent cartridges that we found on the crime scene. 252 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,840 We were fairly confident that even though he was suspicious 253 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,840 and the firearm matched, 254 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,120 it wasn't going to be the murder weapon, 255 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,880 because the timeline of events just didn't match up. 256 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,360 After talking to the family that Kayden was staying with, 257 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,280 after searching Kayden's cell phone, 258 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,200 they get a bigger picture of who Kelli is. 259 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Investigators quickly found and determined 260 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,240 that Kayden had nothing to do with her mother's death. 261 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,400 And it's Kayden that tells Ranger Sherman 262 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:57,600 that Kelli has a complicated romantic relationship 263 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,720 with her boss, Ronnie Welborn. 264 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,080 Growing up in the small town of Mesquite, Texas, 265 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,600 Kelli was close friends with a girl named Kiersten Elworthy. 266 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Kiersten ultimately moved out of Mesquite, Texas 267 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,200 and moved to Princeton, Texas after high school. 268 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,480 She got married to Ronnie Welborn in 1997. 269 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,960 Ronnie was the owner of a metal workshop, 270 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,920 which was a family business that he took over. 271 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,360 Meanwhile, Kelli stayed in Mesquite, Texas after high school. 272 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,680 But throughout the years, Kelli stayed in touch with Kiersten, 273 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,800 and it was Kiersten who suggested to Kelli, "Move to Princeton. 274 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,400 You can even stay with us and get a fresh start." 275 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,360 Kelli and her then 15-year-old daughter Kayden 276 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,600 moved in with Ronnie and Kiersten in their household in Princeton. 277 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,680 I was very happy. It was a very homey environment. 278 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,400 It was a cute, little house, and my mom was very thankful, 279 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,480 you know, to have a roof over her head 280 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,200 and have people that were willing to help her get where she needed to be. 281 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,440 Ronnie was really nice. He did everything in his power 282 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,160 to make me feel comfortable and feel safe in his home. 283 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,120 He was always there to help me if I was just having a hard day. 284 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,840 Ronnie, he was a business owner 285 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,520 at the metal fabrication company there in town, 286 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,080 so Kelli had an opportunity to go to work for him. 287 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,160 She started as a welder in the workshop, 288 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,120 but about a year, year and a half later, 289 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,800 she had shown her potential 290 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,960 and was now acting as the office manager for Ronnie. 291 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Ronnie and my mom were like two peas in a pod 292 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,720 because of the fact that they worked together, 293 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,960 they drove into work together, they drove home together. 294 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,720 They were always, like, laughing. 295 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,960 It was always something fun with them. 296 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,840 Once Kiersten starts having suspicions 297 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,000 that Kelli and Ronnie are having extramarital affairs, 298 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,960 their relationship just really deteriorates. 299 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,840 I came home one day 300 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,240 and Kiersten was packing up the house 301 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,960 and she had, like, a moving truck outside. 302 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,560 And I was like, "What's going on?" 303 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,560 That's when Kiersten told me that she thought 304 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,200 that my mom and Ronnie were having a relationship. 305 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,600 And I was like, "That is not true. That doesn't even make sense." 306 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,360 Kiersten had had enough 307 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,360 and she decided to leave Ronnie and divorce him in February of 2014. 308 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,480 My mom decided right then and there 309 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,240 that we were gonna leave. 310 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,240 Kelli decides to move to an apartment in Princeton 311 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,080 where her and Kayden live for about a year. 312 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:36,640 And it wasn't until late 2015 into 2016, 313 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,440 that I started getting that inkling 314 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,120 that there was a romantic relationship going on, 315 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,000 that it was just due to the fact that I saw 316 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,640 that they were a little more physical towards each other. 317 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,720 I had witnessed them kiss, 318 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,960 and I don't think my mom knew that I could see that. 319 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,280 And when I brought it up, yeah, she was like, 320 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,800 "It's none of your business." 321 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,160 But then one day Kelli found a note on her car 322 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,160 that read "Home wrecker". 323 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,960 Shortly after that, Kelli found another note - 324 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,400 this time inside of her car - that read "home wrecker", 325 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,520 and that told Kelli it was time to move on again. 326 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,320 Kayden ultimately moves in with a friend after high school, 327 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,360 and so, it's about this time that Kelli decides to get her own home 328 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,920 and starts renting a place in spring of 2017. 329 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,120 All this time, though, Kelli has still been 330 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,440 working for Ronnie at the metal fabrication workshop. 331 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:30,720 At that point, my mom had gotten word 332 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,800 that there was somebody else that was moving into the house. 333 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,560 She had asked Ronnie about it, and Ronnie kinda like, 334 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,560 gave her the cold shoulder and was like, "I'm not moving anybody in." 335 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,160 So, at that point, my mom kinda did her own investigation, 336 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,880 and that's when Ronnie told her the truth and was like, 337 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,120 "Well, I am seeing Kadie." 338 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,200 Ronnie had moved a new girl in, Kadie Robinson, 339 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,400 who was much younger than he was. 340 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,280 Ronnie was into racing 341 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,560 and he met Kadie at a local racetrack. 342 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,240 But even after Kadie moved in with Ronnie, 343 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Ronnie and Kelli were still seeing a lot of each other, 344 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,760 not just during work, but outside of work. 345 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,720 He would come to her house 346 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,120 and they still had this on again, off again relationship. 347 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,440 Unfortunately, the case is that women, 348 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,560 {\an8}if they fall victim to murder, 349 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,000 {\an8}are more likely than not to have been murdered 350 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,800 {\an8}by a current or former intimate partner. 351 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,800 And it's precisely for this reason that there's now a term 352 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,120 that's been coined to describe this phenomenon, which is "femicide". 353 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,520 When investigators are looking at the nature of Kelli's injuries - 354 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,040 for example, gunshot wounds, but also stab wounds - 355 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,960 stab wounds indicate a very personal confrontation. 356 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,880 Somebody had to get up close and personal with Kelli 357 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,360 to cause the volume and the nature of injuries that she sustained. 358 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,240 So, they're already thinking 359 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,520 that someone who could have done that to her had to have known her. 360 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,120 Investigators are surprised 361 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,720 when they don't have to go looking for Ronnie Welborn. 362 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,080 He just shows up at the police department 363 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,120 and he has something he wants to tell them about Kelli. 364 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,800 Ronnie shows up 365 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,080 cool, calm, and collect, and very eager to help us. 366 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,560 He's willing to answer any questions that we have for him, 367 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,640 stay as long as we need him to. 368 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Ronnie was able to provide some information 369 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,840 into how he and Kelli met through his ex-wife, Kiersten, 370 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,200 which is one of Kelli's best friends, 371 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:33,840 that led her there to Princeton. 372 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Ronnie describes his relationship with Kelli, 373 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,200 really as an employee-employer... 374 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:43,960 but good friend relationship, 375 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:46,560 that they care for each other dearly as good friends. 376 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:51,040 Ronnie Welborn tells Ranger Sherman 377 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,600 {\an8}that he and Kelli still have a relationship, 378 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,880 that they have been having an affair 379 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,960 while Kadie was pregnant with their daughter. 380 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,600 Ronnie tells us that Kadie has no idea 381 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,000 that he's been having a sexual relationship with Kelli. 382 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,280 Ronnie says that Kelli was very upset 383 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,440 when she found out that Kadie was pregnant. 384 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,840 But at the time that this interview is happening, 385 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,680 Kadie's daughter is about three months old. 386 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,240 Ronnie's very up front about his emotions 387 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,040 and care and love for Kelli. 388 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,000 He has nothing but nice, kind things to say about her. 389 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,480 Ronnie told Ranger Sherman 390 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,520 that he would go to Kelli's house often, 391 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,920 mostly for work - to pick up paperwork, 392 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,280 to bring her paperwork for her to process. 393 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,160 Ronnie told us that the last time he saw Kelli 394 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,560 was on the Friday before, on September the 15th, 395 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,240 and he'd come over to just meet with her about some business stuff. 396 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,360 Ronnie made no indication at all 397 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,280 that he had anything to do with Kelli's murder. 398 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,400 Ronnie also informs Ranger Sherman 399 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,400 that Kelli had been on a dating website, 400 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,200 and so he might want to look at that website 401 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,960 to see if there were any men stalking her 402 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:08,760 or that she had turned away and become upset. 403 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,920 The victim's dating sites are useful for investigators. 404 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,600 These sites will, for instance, 405 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,800 tell investigators 406 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,040 where they've been, 407 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,760 who do they associate with? 408 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,640 We were able to assess her account 409 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,560 and see that there was no evidence 410 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,400 from her activity on the online dating site 411 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,240 that she had been in any kind of altercation 412 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,840 or disagreement with anyone. 413 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,240 All of her online relationships 414 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,440 seemed to be pretty positive or expected. 415 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,040 Jealousy is protecting what you have to a pathological extent. 416 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,000 So, it's really about control. 417 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,640 And when a jealous partner feels that they're losing control, 418 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,840 it can become very unhinged. 419 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:00,520 And as you can imagine, Kelli and Kadie did not get along, 420 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,840 and Kadie was jealous of the time that Ronnie would spend with Kelli. 421 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,720 {\an8}And there was a, a situation that happened a couple weeks prior 422 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,720 {\an8}where Kadie came out to the house cos Ronnie was there 423 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,240 delivering a check to my mom cos she would work from home. 424 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,160 And Kadie would, you know, 425 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,880 pick up the kids from the elementary school that was across the street, 426 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,600 and she had saw that Ronnie's truck was at my mom's house. 427 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,600 Kadie was furious to see Ronnie's truck out front, 428 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,680 so she went over there and started looking through Ronnie's truck. 429 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,960 She had been calling him and texting him and he wasn't responding, 430 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,880 so she wanted to see if his phone was there. 431 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,960 Kelli notices Kadie there from inside the house, 432 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,040 and she comes out and tells Kadie to get off her property. 433 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,240 Ronnie doesn't come out of the house during this confrontation. 434 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,800 He stayed inside. 435 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,360 But after Kadie left, 436 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,800 she was sending furious text messages to Ronnie, 437 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,320 "Why are you there? How long have you been in there?" 438 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,800 Investigators bring Kadie in for an interview. 439 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,800 When Kadie shows up, she was very cooperative. 440 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,720 She came in, she wasn't emotional either, 441 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,320 but I don't know if I necessarily would've expected that 442 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,000 based on her relationship with Kelli. 443 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,920 She acknowledged that there had been some issues 444 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760 and some confrontations between her and Kelli 445 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,280 that all stemmed from Ronnie. 446 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,800 After Kelli learned that Kadie was pregnant, 447 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,880 she even bought Kadie a gift for her baby shower. 448 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,960 After my mom died, Kadie had reached out to me 449 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:35,480 on multiple occasions with, you know, "I completely feel your grief. 450 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,960 I understand your pain 451 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:39,720 because my mom also passed away, of cancer, 452 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,600 and I just want to let you know that I'm here for you." 453 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,320 Kadie denied having any knowledge 454 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,280 about the affair with Ronnie and Kelli 455 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,240 and also had no knowledge 456 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,400 of who could be responsible for her murder. 457 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,800 When we canvased the neighbourhood, we discovered through witnesses 458 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,000 that they had seen the vehicle with Illinois licence plates 459 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,960 recurringly at her house in the days leading up to her murder. 460 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:07,320 Ronnie's actually the one that helped identify the vehicle 461 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,800 that had been at Kelli's house with the Illinois licence plate 462 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,480 and identified Robert Veal as the driver of the vehicle. 463 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,680 It's very common for detectives 464 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,800 to go through the victim's cell phone after their death 465 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,520 to try to figure out who they've been communicating with 466 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,040 in the hours or days leading up to their murder. 467 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,240 And from looking at Kelli's cell phone, 468 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,720 it was obvious there was a lot of communication 469 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,240 between Kelli and Robert Veal. 470 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Kelli had a big backyard 471 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,760 and she had decided that she wanted to install an above-ground pool. 472 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,520 She also had a security camera system 473 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,280 that hadn't been working for a while. 474 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,720 It was outdated, and she knew she needed to upgrade the system. 475 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,240 She wanted to install cameras both outside and inside. 476 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,600 It was clear from the messages that it was Robert Veal that Kelli had 477 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,640 helping her install the above-ground pool in her backyard 478 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,240 and the security cameras at her house. 479 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,760 They're acquaintances, 480 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,840 but it doesn't seem to indicate any romantic relationship. 481 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,960 Robert Veal didn't come from much. 482 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,640 He didn't have stable income. 483 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,880 He had two young children. 484 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,880 He was desperate for a better life. 485 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,080 Kelli knew Robert Veal because Robert, at one time, 486 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,120 had also worked at the metal fabrication workshop for Ronnie. 487 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,600 So, Ronnie suggested that Robert could be the one 488 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,240 to help Kelli do the work at her home. 489 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,360 The primary thing that makes Robert Veal a person of interest 490 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,440 is the fact that he's repeatedly identified in our investigation 491 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,160 as someone who's been in the home, 492 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,560 potentially the last person that ever saw her alive. 493 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,520 So, we came to a point in the investigation 494 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,880 where we really needed to talk to Robert Veal. 495 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,120 And so, we located him at his residence in Princeton, Texas. 496 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,960 He lived in a trailer. 497 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,360 We sat in the living room. 498 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,080 Robert was very nervous and fidgety 499 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240 and just kind of made the situation uneasy for everybody involved. 500 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,200 And so, he did answer our questions, 501 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,720 but some of his information was conflicting 502 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,480 or it was unreasonable to believe. 503 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,720 We got to a point where we asked him for consent 504 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,800 to collect a sample of his DNA, and he consented to that. 505 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,680 We laid it out to him and told him how we thought 506 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,800 his phone would be important evidence to the investigation. 507 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,160 Robert Veal didn't want them to look in the phone. 508 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,520 He said he would have naked pictures of his wife, 509 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,000 he might have communications about drugs in there. 510 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,440 But we weren't concerned about Robert Veal being 511 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,440 some big drug dealer. 512 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,680 When we told him that we're gonna have to take your phone, 513 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,440 that's when, you know, he lowers the phone kinda underneath the table 514 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,000 and he's manipulating his phone all of a sudden. 515 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,880 We felt like he was deleting information from his phone. 516 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,640 We had to forcefully remove it from his hand. 517 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,160 So, we found that there was evidence of phone calls 518 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,720 and communications with Robert and Kadie, 519 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,200 as well as Robert and Ronnie. 520 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,080 At this point in the investigation, 521 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520 there wasn't anything that we had charged Robert Veal with. 522 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,840 We were still following up on leads and just working the investigation 523 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,800 as it related to Kelli Underwood's homicide. 524 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,680 They have to consider any person 525 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040 that might have a grudge against the victim. 526 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320 And so, when looking back 527 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,960 at the relationship between Ronnie and Kelli, 528 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,840 they decided they need to at least take a look 529 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,440 at Kiersten Elworthy, Ronnie's ex-wife. 530 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,520 Kiersten definitely could have been a suspect 531 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200 just given the fact that she tried to blame, you know, 532 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,320 my mom for everything and left. 533 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,720 Could this murder have been any sort of revenge 534 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,200 for the way that her relationship ended? 535 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840 At the time, I didn't put it past anyone, 536 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,600 but Kiersten... I don't think would've had it in her 537 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,280 to do something that to that extent. 538 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,320 It was like a crime of passion 539 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,720 and it didn't line up to me. 540 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,920 Investigators interviewed Kiersten, 541 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,960 but there was nothing from that interview 542 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,240 that really told them that... 543 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840 {\an8}she was involved in this murder. 544 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,680 {\an8}She had moved on with her life. 545 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,960 {\an8}She wasn't living in the area anymore. 546 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,520 And so, nobody is ever officially ruled out in real time, 547 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,520 but at that point they had no evidence 548 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,560 to believe that she was involved. 549 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,480 During the investigation, 550 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,440 like that first, you know, couple of days, that first week, 551 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,960 I just didn't feel that there was much movement happening 552 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,720 and I didn't feel that they were taking it 553 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,160 as serious as they should have. 554 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,160 I don't want to be getting blamed for this 555 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,160 because y'all aren't doing a proper investigation 556 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,880 or people don't want to speak to you. 557 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,720 So, at that point, I had knocked on my neighbour's door 558 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,520 and just kinda asked him, I was like, "Did you see anything?" 559 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160 I went house to house and I was, "Y'all have to tell me something. 560 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,720 I understand they've already come out here and asked y'all, 561 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,840 and y'all don't want to say anything." 562 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,200 Handling the family members of victims in cases of homicide 563 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,680 can be problematic. 564 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,560 {\an8}There needs to be accessibility and empathy, 565 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,200 {\an8}but at the same time, 566 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,360 investigators don't always have the bandwidth 567 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,760 to provide family members with what they're looking for. 568 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,040 So, one of the neighbours comes out 569 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880 and he kinda like sits on the steps of his house 570 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,520 and he's like, "You know, I did see someone 571 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,760 coming in and out of the home, 572 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,800 so, I definitely know who he is." 573 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,400 And I was like, "OK, can you give me, like, more information?" 574 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,480 That's kinda when he let me know like, his nickname is "Dee". 575 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,160 The neighbour knew Dee 576 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,920 because they had actually spent time in county jail together. 577 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,480 The neighbour would later tell law enforcement 578 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,440 that on that Saturday when she was last seen alive, 579 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,280 Dee actually seems like he really wants 580 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,080 to tell the neighbour why he's there. 581 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000 "Oh, I'm just helping this lady put in a pool. 582 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,720 I'm helping her with her security camera. 583 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Nothing to see here." 584 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,480 The neighbour could tell it all seemed really forced, 585 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,840 like Dee really wanted him to believe that, 586 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,600 and he was trying to make a point and an impression on him. 587 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560 And this all occurred around midday Saturday. 588 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,320 We believe Kelli was murdered 589 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,960 sometime in the late hours of Saturday evening 590 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,120 into the early morning hours of Sunday. 591 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,120 And then I investigated on my own based off of my friend, 592 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,320 you know, kinda knowing people around town, 593 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,520 and pulled his picture up on Facebook and showed him 594 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,480 and he confirmed that that's who was coming in and out of the house. 595 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,560 From there, I communicated to Bruce and called him. He was like, 596 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,120 "That's definitely somebody I'll follow up with and look into." 597 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680 Law enforcement ultimately identifies Dee as Delvin Powell. 598 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,160 Delvin Powell was known around town. 599 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,840 Again, it was a small town 600 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440 and he worked at one of the main gas stations in town, 601 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,200 so people were very familiar with him. 602 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,320 We found that Delvin Powell had an extensive criminal history. 603 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,240 {\an8}It involved some pretty violent crime. 604 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,000 He had an outstanding warrant for choking his girlfriend. 605 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,360 Once we realised that he was a fugitive, 606 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,960 we were able to work with several other law enforcement agencies 607 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,720 and apprehend him at a hotel in Allen, Texas, 608 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880 just about 20 minutes or so from Princeton. 609 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,960 So, investigators simply knocked on the door. 610 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,760 The girlfriend came out, she admitted that he was in there, 611 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,240 that all of his stuff was in there, 612 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,880 and she allowed them to search the entire hotel room. 613 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,560 There are two knives found in Delvin's suitcase, 614 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,080 and one of them looks like 615 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,720 it could have some sort of reddish brown stain that could be blood. 616 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,760 They send both knives off to the forensic laboratory 617 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,360 for further testing. 618 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,800 They find bullets in her trunk that she says are his, 619 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,640 and that are the exact same calibre and brand 620 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,120 that were used in this murder. 621 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,480 So, little pieces of evidence start lining up. 622 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,280 Investigators go back to Kelli's phone 623 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,720 and they're trying to see if her communications 624 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,160 can help them put the pieces together. 625 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,720 The texts between Ronnie and Kelli 626 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,280 were very contradictory from day to day. 627 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Ronnie is telling her that he loves her 628 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,960 and that he promises he's going to leave Kadie, 629 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,160 and she's gonna be Mrs Ronnie Welborn someday. 630 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,520 And so, it was clear that they still had 631 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,960 an ongoing romantic relationship. 632 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520 She didn't believe that he was gonna leave Kadie 633 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,400 and a newborn child for her. 634 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,640 And so, she was constantly in this pull back and forth of, 635 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,720 "Do I love him? Do I believe him? 636 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,920 And do I ever believe we're gonna be together?" 637 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,960 We ended up having an anonymous, but credible, source of information 638 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,440 come forward and tell us that Kadie Robinson had disclosed plans 639 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,480 to plant drugs in Kelli's truck to get her arrested, 640 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,880 because she had become a problem between Kadie and Ronnie. 641 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,720 And that this plan went on for some time, weeks, 642 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,560 and they never could make it work. 643 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,800 Robert Veal was supposed to be planting these drugs, 644 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,800 and the pool and the security cameras were somewhat of a ruse 645 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,520 in order to get him to be able to plant these drugs 646 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,880 and then make a call to the police and set her up to have her arrested. 647 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,360 We got to a point where we felt like we had the ability 648 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,600 to get a search warrant for Kadie and Ronnie's phones. 649 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,200 And so, I called them in 650 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,360 and asked them to just come up and visit with me 651 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,400 at the Princeton Police Department, and I asked Kadie first. 652 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,160 She breaks down and confesses. 653 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,760 Kadie comes up there and I confronted her 654 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,640 with the information that I had 655 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640 about the plan to plant drugs 656 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,280 just to see, you know, what her rebuttal was to those things. 657 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,520 Kadie Robinson cracks and actually admits to her part 658 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,280 in the murder of Kelli Underwood. 659 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,560 So, she ends up telling me that after the plan to plant the drugs 660 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:14,120 and have her arrested didn't work, murder was on the table. 661 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,720 And so, her and Ronnie 662 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,440 had paid money to Robert Veal to commit this murder. 663 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,040 And she learned that Robert had recruited Delvin Powell 664 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,400 to help him get the job done. 665 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Kadie kind of tries to distance herself 666 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,800 {\an8}from knowing exactly 667 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,240 how the murder unfolded, 668 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,520 but she still knew Ronnie was putting something in motion. 669 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,560 Ronnie came in after I talked to Kadie 670 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:46,040 and... he owns it all. 671 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,240 He accepts responsibility for setting it all up 672 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,320 and claims that Kadie had nothing to do with it. 673 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,640 Ronnie admits to hiring Robert Veal to commit this murder. 674 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,440 He knew that Robert was going to find a second person to help him 675 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,560 and that on the Saturday before the murder, 676 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,640 he knew that second person to be Delvin Powell. 677 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,240 Ronnie ends up telling me 678 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,440 that he went and took money out of his bank, 679 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,520 and that Robert Veal came over to his house. 680 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,640 And he paid him $8,000 cash 681 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,400 and provided him the firearm. 682 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,760 Described it. 683 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,080 Same calibre that was used in the murder. 684 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:30,120 Ronnie admitted to providing Robert Veal's name to Kelli 685 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,040 as a possible person who could help her 686 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,360 with the work that she wanted on her house. 687 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,360 He knew that she was looking for somebody, 688 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,400 and he knew that Robert and Kelli knew each other. 689 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,120 Ronnie Welborn and Kadie Robinson 690 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,120 were both placed under arrest for capital murder. 691 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,720 {\an8}I was really shocked, but also, again, 692 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,960 {\an8}I kinda felt a little bit of, like, peace 693 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,600 because of the fact of, I had told Bruce 694 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,520 that Kadie was my, like, number one person. 695 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,360 I really didn't have any thought of Ronnie. 696 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,160 I really didn't want to think that way 697 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,360 because of the fact that he was so close to us. 698 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,280 But it's almost kinda like I felt a sense of relief as well, 699 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,160 that they had finally found who did this. 700 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,280 Ranger Sherman got search warrants for their phones, 701 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,120 and their phones were a goldmine of evidence. 702 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,360 It was clear from Kadie's phone that Kadie was extremely jealous 703 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,360 and extremely suspicious 704 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,320 of any time that Ronnie spent over at Kelli's house. 705 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,240 She didn't even want her working at the business anymore. 706 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,480 Investigators could see from Kadie's phone 707 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,680 that she had even reached out to Kelli directly at some point 708 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,720 to ask, please just tell me if you're in a relationship with him. 709 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,320 Kelli told her that there was nothing going on. 710 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,200 It was revealed that Kadie had given an ultimatum to Ronnie 711 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,240 that if Kelli wasn't out of the picture by September 18th, 712 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,560 she was taking their newborn and leaving. 713 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,920 There were text messages in Kelli's phone 714 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,240 clearly showing Kelli was frustrated with Robert. 715 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,880 The cameras weren't working. 716 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,880 She wanted her old cameras back. 717 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,120 She was just gonna find somebody else to do it. 718 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,480 In hindsight, in the investigation, 719 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,720 we believe that Robert 720 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,400 wasn't setting up the security cameras on purpose. 721 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,000 That he knew that if he activated those cameras 722 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,040 inside or outside her home, 723 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800 that it would capture them executing the plan. 724 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,880 We did get Delvin Powell and Robert Veal's DNA 725 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,520 on some of that silverware 726 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,480 that was sitting on the counter with the nachos, 727 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,760 like plates and stuff weren't clean. 728 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,640 It's just that the defence was able to say, "Yeah, they were there. 729 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,160 They were allowed in the home, they were helping her do this work." 730 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,480 We did find a relatively small amount of DNA 731 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,600 underneath her fingernails 732 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,520 that the analyst can say 733 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,880 was consistent with Delvin Powell's profile. 734 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,520 On September 16th, 2017, 735 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,200 Kelli Underwood had invited Delvin Powell and Robert Veal into her home 736 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,840 to set up the above-ground pool in her backyard. 737 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,080 They were both seen at Kelli's home. 738 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,400 Kelli being the host that she is, she makes them food, 739 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,760 she makes them nachos, 740 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,840 and we know that Robert and Delvin enjoyed some of that meal. 741 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,440 In the very late hours of September 16th, 2017, 742 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,400 possibly even the very early morning hours of September 17th, 743 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,760 Delvin and Robert decide it's time. 744 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,760 They turn the music up on her TV really loud. 745 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,000 They both head upstairs and they attack her. 746 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,280 Perhaps realising what was about to happen, 747 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,040 Kelli ran into the craft room. 748 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000 Maybe she was looking for scissors or something sharp 749 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,640 to protect herself with. 750 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,240 But we know, based on who Kelli was, that she was gonna fight back. 751 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,720 Ultimately, one of them shot her multiple times 752 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,920 with a .22-calibre firearm. 753 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,600 And despite the fight that she put up, 754 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,680 the disarray and the mess in that room, 755 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,480 and the struggle that ensued, 756 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,440 the two attackers were able to overpower her. 757 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,240 We're able to figure out through communications in Kelli's phone 758 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,640 that communications ceased in those early morning hours. 759 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,960 Around 2:00am, Robert Veal texts Ronnie Welborn 760 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,360 to let him know that it was done. 761 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,160 Between the early morning hours of September 17th 762 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,840 and Wednesday, September 20th, 763 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600 Kelli's body remains undiscovered in her home. 764 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,560 On Wednesday, September 20th, 765 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,920 Kayden Graham goes to check on her mother 766 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,280 after not hearing from her for several days. 767 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:57,800 Kayden found her mom upstairs and immediately called 911. 768 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,440 Ronnie was the one person 769 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,600 that I would've never thought in a million years 770 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,320 would've ever had anything to do with something like this, 771 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,960 just cos he was literally like a big, old teddy bear 772 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,320 and I really thought that he absolutely adored my mom. 773 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,720 I definitely felt betrayed by him in a lot of ways. 774 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,800 Ronnie Welborn, Kadie Robinson, 775 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,320 Delvin Powell, and Robert Veal are all charged with capital murder. 776 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,040 Robert Veal and Delvin Powell are sentenced to life in prison 777 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,960 without the possibility of parole. 778 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,400 Ronnie Welborn ultimately pleads guilty to murder 779 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,960 and gets a sentence of life in prison 780 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,120 with eligibility for parole after 30 years. 781 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,680 I was at the court hearing when he pled guilty. 782 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,840 And he, like, he turned to me and looked at me - 783 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,600 after they said that, like, you know, he's pleading guilty - 784 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,400 and mouthed that he was sorry. 785 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,640 And at that point, I just kinda like looked away 786 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,040 because I was like this... 787 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,480 like, I don't even want you saying anything to me at this point. 788 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,080 Kadie Robinson is given 30 years and eligible for parole in 2032. 789 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,920 Honestly, I don't feel that justice has been served, 790 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,080 especially with Kadie, 791 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,840 because I feel like she should have got 792 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000 the same sentence that everybody else got. 793 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,000 And I don't feel like she should be able to ever get out 794 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,360 because she was the mastermind of all of this. 795 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,520 I feel that justice was served in this case, 796 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040 that every single person was held responsible. 797 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,320 Their outcomes were slightly different, 798 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,320 but the two people who were willing to take money 799 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,600 to kill somebody that they barely knew, or didn't know at all, 800 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,680 they were held to the fullest extent of the law 801 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,480 and will serve the rest of their lifetimes behind bars. 802 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,840 Our team spent countless hours and days... 803 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,520 taking naps in our pickup trucks, 804 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,280 and at the office... with no or little sleep, 805 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,600 just seeking that justice 806 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560 and to be able to cross that finish line for her and her family. 807 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,520 It was special. 808 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,160 So, criminal investigations are like anything in life. 809 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,840 They have a beginning, they have a middle, and they have an end. 810 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,440 {\an8}And nowhere is this more true 811 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,400 {\an8}than in resolving a complex murder investigation 812 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,520 where the end is closure, it's a solution and it's justice. 813 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,400 Kelli's life was ended because she opened the door to people 814 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,240 that she thought were supposed to be there to help her in a time of need, 815 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,680 and ultimately ended up being responsible for taking her life. 816 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,360 I don't want people to remember my mom as what happened to her. 817 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,240 I just want her to be remembered as a good mom, 818 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,600 a good sister, a great friend... 819 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,240 ...just an overall... 820 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,640 just an absolutely wonderful individual. 821 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,960 Subtitles by Sky Access Services 70027

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