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You wish you would know what lies
afterlife.
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Yeah. What heaven is like.
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I always said if I had to die, I want to
be buried right where there's children.
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I want them next to me. I would feel
safer that way.
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I need their spirit to protect me.
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Where are they protecting you from?
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I see them as protection. I see them as
like angels.
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Michael Jackson is back in court for
what could be the most crucial phase of
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trial on child abuse charges.
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A key prosecution witness is expected to
testify today.
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We needed to put Gavin's mother on the
witness stand.
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Janet was intelligent, not well
educated, but intelligent, and had a
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memory of events.
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This is someone who was a guest at
Michael Jackson's ranch during the
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time that he engaged in the alleged
molestations, and they were worried
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her.
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She was capable of blowing a whistle in
a way that could be very harmful for
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them.
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Gavin's mother is a key witness, and
some observers believe the outcome of
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trial could hinge on her testimony.
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Throughout the trial, I had to give
Michael Jackson the benefit of the
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That's what a defendant has a right to,
not guilty until proven guilty.
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But I thought when Janet Arvizo got on
the stand, she would be convincing
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to make things look bad for Michael
Jackson.
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I wanted the jury to know that when
Janet was in Neverland, She was very
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distrusting of what was going on. They
were continuously trying to separate her
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from the children.
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She told the jury that she's relegated
to one of the guest cottages on the
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property. Her sons are in the house in
his room.
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The front door is locked.
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So her kids are no longer with her, and
she doesn't have access to them.
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And you couldn't just walk into his
bedroom unannounced.
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There's a combination lock in the access
to the bedroom suite.
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And then you walk down a hallway. And
the hallway had chimes in it that were
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activated by a motion detector.
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So he would hear chimes going off if
somebody was walking down the hallway.
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Do you think Janet knew that her son was
being molested? I asked her that many
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times.
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She certainly had concerns.
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He reached the point where she knew she
just had to get out of there, and she
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had to get her kids out of there.
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But she just wasn't allowed to leave.
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To keep her and the kids on Neverland,
they were telling her there are killers
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who want to do harm to her children.
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You need to stay here.
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Very quiet.
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Everybody settle. Thank you.
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She had to tell the jury.
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She was compelled to do this video by
Michael Jackson's people because they
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that the Bashir documentary was a
problem for him.
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So they had the whole family sitting in
chairs talking about how wonderful
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Michael Jackson was.
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But it was a tape that they did
deliberately to be able to use in
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the contingency of this happening, where
there was an arrest, where there was a
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prosecution.
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My responsibility of a mother is to make
sure that my children are in safe...
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safety.
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They were controlling her and where she
went and what she did and who she talked
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to. You know, they were desperate to
keep this under the carpet.
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The stories by these accusers were
extraordinarily convincing.
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Was she kidnapped?
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Absolutely not.
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Most false fabrication you ever heard in
your life.
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Most of the jurors were really taken
aback by what Janet said on the witness
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stand.
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i think they were not totally convinced
that the allegation
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was true none of it computed
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none of it made sense to me my family's
visit to neverland
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coincided with the arvizo family
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we said hello to them and we got to know
them and their kids seemed like really
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Friendly. Gavin, thank God, seemed
healthy, which was a really good thing.
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And I spoke to his mother, and she
explained to me the journey they had
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I felt that they were very happy to be
at Neverland.
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Gavin was completely normal, and there
was no weirdness with his family.
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So none of this stuff makes sense.
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I am subpoenaed by the prosecution to
testify about what I saw at
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Neverland.
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His name is Rudy Provencio. He
reportedly has kept diaries and logs
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of the weirdness and things that he
thought wasn't quite right.
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I was fearful and anxious, but I didn't
see anything wrong with just telling the
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truth of what I know.
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especially when a child might have been
violated in some way.
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It's a person's responsibility.
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I told the jury I had overheard a
conversation that is being told to the
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that these killers could be out there to
get you, and you have to be careful.
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You need protection.
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It was obvious to me that they were
worried that the Avizos were going to
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and make the problem worse for Michael.
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One of the witnesses that I remember
quite clearly was Rudy Provencio.
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I totally believed him.
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Thought he was telling the truth about
his feelings about the Orvisos and that
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they were being held at the ranch.
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Rudy was a compelling witness.
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And not only that, we found a tape.
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where they recorded the call, and they
told her there are killers who are out
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there who want to do harm.
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The DA revealed today that he can
actually corroborate some of the points
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claimed. So a lot of the stories she
tells seem to be true.
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I told Michael, I said, Michael, if you
had done this, it makes you a
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freakazoid.
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It makes you horrible.
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He says, I know, Brian.
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Michael said, Brian, I didn't do those
things. Never.
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Never. Brian, show them it's not true.
Tell them. Tell the world.
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I told Michael I would overturn every
stone, and I did.
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Michael Jackson's defense team got a
hold of every record dealing with the
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entire family.
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Not just Gavin, but everyone.
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Any job application that their mother
had ever applied for, they were able to
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get their hands on it.
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Medical records, they got their hands
on.
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Gavin, of course, had been horribly sick
and undergone surgery.
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They had all of his medical records as
well.
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They had the gynecological records of
his sister, who at the time was 15 years
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old.
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There was no piece of paper that they
ever generated that they weren't going
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get their hands on.
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There was nothing in their lifetime that
they weren't going to know about.
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The mother was getting welfare from the
Los Angeles County Bureau of Welfare.
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When you apply for welfare, you must do
a full welfare application.
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And I sat in my office looking at this
going, oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my.
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Talk about a gold mine.
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Michael Jackson's defense team gets its
first chance today to cross -examine the
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mother of the pop star's main accuser.
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The documents showed repeated,
continuous falsity, concealing the
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money that Michael spent taking him to
day spas, getting him bikini waxed,
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buying this and paying that, and luxury
dinners. They concealed it all.
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They lied to welfare, and you won't
believe what they did before.
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The jury heard she made previous
accusations of sexual assault, claiming
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security guards at this JCPenney store,
quote, followed them into the mall
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parking lot and proceeded to beat them,
and that a Tower Records security guard,
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quote, joined the fracas, sexually
assaulted her.
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The family had claimed that they were
molested.
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by a security guard at J .C. Penney. And
the guard just said, oh, you've got to
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be kidding.
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Well, J .C. Penney's parted with $152
,000, and all of this was concealed
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from welfare.
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They're just defrauding everybody they
can defraud.
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And when Michael Jackson brought this
family into his fold, this was
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a moment of opportunity that they...
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to bring down the greatest, biggest
superstar in the world.
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This was all a scam.
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The defense was painting the accusers'
family as grifters, as people
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who went after celebrities for money.
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What I've learned covering trials is
that the best lawyers are good
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storytellers. And if they tell a story
that the jury can picture and absorb and
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go, aha, I get that, that is damning.
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They were trying to show that she was
just looking for a payday.
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I knew it wasn't true.
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But this was what Michael Jackson would
do, discredit the mothers of these
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children.
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Even as Michael Jackson, through the
course of the trial, was becoming frail
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more gaunt and thinner, it looked like
the chances of him walking away a free
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man were increasing with every
disastrous prosecution witness.
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Next month, Wade Robson leaves his
hometown of Brisbane for Los Angeles,
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he'll live with the reclusive
millionaire entertainer.
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What's the thing you most want to do,
then?
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Stay with Michael forever.
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Really?
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All right.
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I understood the importance of being
able to look at other victims. And, of
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course, Wade Robson was at the top of
the list because we knew that he had
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involved with Michael Jackson for years.
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We were absolutely convinced that he was
a victim, even though he had not come
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forward and disclosed it.
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Wade Robson was a successful
choreographer, and Jackson was
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getting his career going.
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We reached out to him, hoping that he
would testify, and he said no.
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There was another young boy from
Australia, Brett Barnes.
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who traveled with him throughout Europe
and South America over a year.
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But he wouldn't testify.
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Jimmy Safechuck, we believed he was a
victim, but he wouldn't come forward
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either.
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So we needed the cooperation of all of
them, and we had the cooperation of none
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of them.
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But, you know, I understand.
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I handled a number of child molest cases
over the years.
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It's a tough thing.
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for kids to come forward and publicly
talk about having been victim of sex
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crime, and they disclose when they
disclose.
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And there's nothing we can do to speed
up that process.
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Michael, innocent!
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Michael, innocent!
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We also understood that it's not easy
being an accuser of Michael Jackson.
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not easy dealing with his fans.
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There are multitudes of them, and they
can be vicious.
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Michael, innocent!
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I was getting death threats on a regular
basis, saying, I know where you live, I
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know where your children are, I know
your wife's name, I'm going to kill all
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them.
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I mean, it was horrible.
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There's an absurdity and almost like a
cult -like following.
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People who love Michael Jackson, they
defended him to the teeth. You know,
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referred to him more like a god.
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He trained his fans to be his soldiers.
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There's no question. His behavior, his
idea that he was such a victim and he
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needed this protection.
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His fans bought it. Hook, line, and
sinker.
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And boy, oh boy, did they ever come to
his defense.
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Do you feel now that the public is
fickle?
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The loyal ones. That no matter what,
they're there, man.
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They're thick and thin.
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They're right there with you. And you
feel unconditional love from them.
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Yeah.
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They have been loyal.
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They'll fight you about me.
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It's been a white -knuckle ride, but
now, 43 days after it started, the
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prosecution has rested its case. And
it's time now for Michael Jackson to
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his side of the story.
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The prosecution had said that Wade
Robson was molested by Michael Jackson.
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I had called Wade. He was in Australia.
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Wade.
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You've got to come and testify.
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Brian, I have told everybody it's not
true. I wasn't molested.
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I'm not coming. No, I'm not. I'm not
setting foot anywhere near this.
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I must have called him at least six
times.
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Finally, he says, you're a persistent
man. I says, yes, I am, Wade.
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The first witness for the defense was
Wade Robeson.
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It's interesting because Wade Robson has
said that he declined and then was
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subpoenaed by the defense.
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But when he did take the stand, he was a
very strong witness.
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Wade Robson told jurors he first met
Jackson at age five and shared a bed
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him more than 20 times until he was 14.
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He got up in that courtroom and he said,
Michael Jackson never molested me.
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Michael Jackson never put his hands any
place that they weren't supposed to be.
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Michael Jackson never harmed me. Michael
Jackson did not commit child
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molestation with me.
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Uncanny testimony.
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Fabulous.
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That was a problem for us.
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Because we were really hammering on the
fact that he was a victim. And he's up
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there saying, I'm not.
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And I'm telling you, it didn't happen.
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The second defense witness, Rhett
Barnes, said the same thing, adding, I
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tell you that if he had, I wouldn't be
here.
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Did they do a good job?
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Oh, my.
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You betcha.
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The defense has now presented its
witness list, and there are some big
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Hollywood heavy hitters on there.
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When this started, a lot of people felt
that this was an open and shut case.
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But it became a soap opera, as they say,
but really a soap opera on steroids.
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The prosecution was claiming that
Michael's employee saw Michael put his
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up Macaulay Culkin's pants and play with
his privates.
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Okay, well, what does Mack say? What
does Macaulay Culkin say?
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One of the most anticipated witnesses in
the Michael Jackson case took the stand
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today.
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Macaulay Culkin denied it, and to this
day denies that he was molested by
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Michael Jackson.
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You know, I remember cross -examining
Macaulay Culkin, and he's an actor, you
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know, and so everything has a certain
flair to it.
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His appearance, his fame, his celebrity,
he was just an extraordinarily
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effective witness.
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We live in a celebrity -driven society,
and people are really attracted to
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celebrities. They're mesmerized by them.
So that certainly happened at the
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trial, and I'm sure the jury was
impacted too.
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During the trial...
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Gavin's mind was completely scrambled,
and it was heartbreaking.
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They were just stuck in this apartment
for months and months.
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There was a school out the window, and
they just look at the kids
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going, they just wanted to be in school.
This was really tough on everybody.
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Gavin was by himself in that trial.
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He was literally by himself.
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And it was very burdensome for him. It
was very challenging.
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But he was courageous, and he never told
us, I'm not going to do it, I can't do
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it, this is just ruining my life.
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But he understood the importance of it.
At 15, he understood his obligation to
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do it.
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The trial had raised a lot of doubts, in
my mind anyway.
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So I wanted to talk to Gavin.
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I wanted to, you know, get a chance to
talk to him myself. You know, obviously
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all was off the record, and I didn't
report it because, you know, I wanted to
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respect his privacy.
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He says, you know, the world has me all
wrong. He says, you know, I enjoyed my
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time with him.
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You know, I just...
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The things he did was wrong.
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He hurt me.
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And I just thought, wow, you know, this
kid is telling me that this grown man,
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this international icon, hurt him.
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I couldn't help but to believe him.
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I found no reason not to believe him.
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Michael, are you happy? The case is
almost over.
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Silence will be maintained.
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It's now certain that Michael Jackson
won't be taking the witness stand in his
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own defense.
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Just as it seemed that this case was
drawing quietly to an end, there is word
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a possible dramatic finale.
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Months before the trial actually
started, the police had interviewed
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I wanted the jury to see it.
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Because I think if you watch that, it's
very hard for somebody to watch that and
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say, oh yeah, they're making the whole
thing up.
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He said that he wanted to show me how to
masturbate.
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He wanted to show you how to masturbate?
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Okay. I said no.
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Then he said you do it for me.
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Okay.
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And did he do it for you?
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Kevin, it's fine?
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He put his hand in my pants.
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Did he put it on the outside?
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Inside. Inside?
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And what did he do next?
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He started masturbating.
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Okay.
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After a while, I told him I didn't want
to do that.
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Did he stop?
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I told him not.
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He kept on doing it.
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If there was a smoking gun in the whole
case, That was Gavin's interview with
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the sheriff's department.
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I had really been convinced that Gavin
was telling the truth.
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Others on the jury saw this as not being
the case at all.
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A lot of people in that courtroom were
very moved by that video.
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I got to tell you, Jim, I got to tell
you, a lot of people were moved by that
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video, but a lot of people thought the
kid was acting.
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You know, I suppose there's reasonable
doubt that he made it up. Or he was told
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by Janet to tell the sheriff's
department that he had been molested.
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It just didn't come across that way to
me.
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He absolutely looked believable.
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After 14 weeks of often lurid testimony,
Michael Jackson's trial is now entering
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its most crucial phase.
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In Santa Maria, California tonight, it's
all in the hands of the jury now. Eight
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women, four men on the Michael Jackson
jury will decide whether or not he is
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guilty of child molestation.
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I was worried about the jury.
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I had complete faith in everything Gavin
was saying.
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And there was never a question in my
mind as to the honesty or accuracy of
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statements. Never.
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But this was an international superstar,
one of the most powerful men in the
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world. And that changes the equation.
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No matter what humanitarian actions or
no matter what joy and entertainment he
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brought to the world, if Michael was
harming children, he was a monster.
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But he was not a monster. He didn't do
any of those things.
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There are people here from more than 28
countries reporting on the trial. Hotel
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rooms are booked within a 40 -mile
radius.
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Special fences and security have been
brought in. And the fan contingent
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continues to grow as well.
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The fan presence was there from
beginning to end. And they were
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Those are the hardcore Michael Jackson
fans from around the world.
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Michael had encouraged his family and by
extension his fans to wear white,
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saying that he was innocent.
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But I thought, at the very least, it's
going to be a hung jury, but they'll
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probably get a conviction.
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He could face nearly 20 years in prison.
If the jury comes back guilty, Jackson
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will be off to Corcoran State Prison's
protective housing unit, home to, among
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others, convicted murderer Charles
Manson.
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Michael was feeling...
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You're the biggest star in the world.
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You have magic that nobody else has, and
you are scared to death.
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Your life is coming to an end.
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And I said to him, I said, Michael,
we're going to win.
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Do you understand?
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We're going to win.
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He says, Brian, I'm so scared, I don't
think so.
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Transmission, can you hear me? Can
anyone hear me?
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Edgar, they're on the... Come with me,
it's okay.
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There is breaking news that the jury in
Santa Maria, California, has sent word
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that it has reached a verdict.
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They announced that they had a verdict
and it would be presented in the
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courtroom in two hours.
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He drove up the freeway from Neverland
Ranch and...
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The convoy of cars and fans behind him
was unbelievable.
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His motorcade, as you see from this
helicopter shot live, left his so
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Neverland Ranch within the past 30
minutes.
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In the car, you had Michael in the
middle and Latoya on the right.
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And she prayed with him, Dear Lord, take
care of your child, Michael Jackson.
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He is your servant, Lord.
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He does your bidding.
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Protect him, defend him.
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And Michael is stoic.
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He doesn't say a word.
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Outside the courtroom was a zoo.
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I've never seen anything like that
before.
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Gavin was not there.
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It felt like too much to take on.
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If he's found guilty, it'll be a journey
not back to Neverland but straight to
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prison.
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We're in a waiting game now.
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By the way, we should point out that the
local police department has dispatched
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a number of officers trained to watch
for potential suicidal behavior on the
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part of some of these fans.
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Brian, I'm told he's opening each ballot
one at a time.
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I'm told the room is very silent.
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I'm sorry, we have to interrupt you
because we're beginning to hear a little
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of audio coming from the courtroom.
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The microphone's on.
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Superior Court of the State of
California, count one, verdict.
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We, the jury in the above entitled case,
find the defendant not guilty.
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Count two, verdict.
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Not guilty. Count
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three,
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verdict. Not guilty of a lewd act upon a
minor child.
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The clerk read it. Not guilty, not
guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not
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not guilty, not guilty.
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Not guilty on all 10 counts.
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I always believed in him. I would not
have came here if Michael Jackson was
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guilty of these crimes. I believed in
him, and I fought for him.
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Michael Jackson is now free.
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This case is over. This is an all -out
vindication for Michael Jackson and his
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supporters.
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Michael got up, everyone congratulated
everyone, didn't say a
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word, turned around, and he walked out.
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There he is, the first look at Michael
Jackson after his acquittal on
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all ten counts.
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Clearly, this jury did not buy that
these people were telling the truth.
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There's no doubt about it. The defense
said this family, this mother, wanted to
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ride the gravy train.
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Jurors realize that, you know, in the
celebrity land of Michael Jackson,
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do get accused of things that they
haven't done.
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Your reaction to the news, Stacey?
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Well, Brian, I'm stunned.
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I really thought that there was going to
be a couple of convictions there.
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He dodged a bullet.
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I truly felt that Michael Jackson was a
child molester.
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I felt that then, and I haven't changed
my mind now. But the problem was proving
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it.
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And the jury had a hard time believing
the Arvizos.
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We got Gavin on the phone.
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And Gavin, poor Gavin.
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I just remember that voice.
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Why didn't they believe me?
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Why didn't they believe me?
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It was over.
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We would talk about Michael going
through the fire, or the book of Daniel.
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And I said, Michael, you are being
tested by fire, Michael.
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As it turns out, this trial hurt him.
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It hurt him badly.
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He never went back to Neverland.
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It was spoiled. It was ruined. It was
defiled.
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It was no longer the place of dreams.
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So I think it was three days after the
verdict, Michael got in his limousine.
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to LAX, to Bahrain.
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Michael Jackson turned up at a Bahrain
shopping mall, hiding his face behind a
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veil and wearing a black robe
traditionally worn by Middle Eastern
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He became what even his family described
as a vagabond.
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Michael and his kid would go from place
to place, anywhere he could find a home.
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He was lost. Michael was lost.
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00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,960
Last night, his crown was looking
distinctly tarnished.
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Amid the adulation, the clear sound of
booing.
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Michael hated being hated.
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He disliked being disliked.
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He took it very personally. He was very
fragile in that regard. He was used to
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being loved.
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But at that time, he really was...
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Very unhappy at how hated he felt.
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00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:09,550
Michael Jackson finally came back to Las
Vegas.
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But he was a broken man.
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There was tremendous financial problems.
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And also believed that his drug problems
continued to mount.
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There were terrible reports I got that
Michael was using medications.
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And the family staged an intervention.
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Well, no, no, no, I got this under
control. I'm not addicted.
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I'm not, I go, whatever, Michael. I
tried. I tried to.
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After the trial, Gavin was a different
person.
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He was very different.
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He was subdued.
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I would take him out driving.
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We would just kind of process everything
that had gone on.
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It just was tough. Things were tough.
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They had all changed their names to go
back to school, but some
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of the Michael Jackson fans had
discovered.
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their aliases and sort of outed them on
MySpace.
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He became extremely depressed.
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It was very, very difficult for him to
picture a life for himself.
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Michael believed that if he could
perform again, that he would gain
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from his fans.
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Because his livelihood and his life was
the stage.
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I love you.
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I really do. You have to know that. I
love you so much.
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We were.
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concerned that the phones were being
disconnected.
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Mrs. Jackson had indicated at one point
she hadn't spoken to him in 12 weeks.
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Every time she tried calling, the line
was disconnected.
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Well, that's the same thing that was
happening to us.
476
00:37:05,110 --> 00:37:10,310
But I don't think anybody really thought
it was anything very sinister going on.
477
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:25,170
My show, I want to say, I've never
478
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:28,030
seen anything like this in my life.
479
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:33,310
It's the greatest entertainment in the
world.
480
00:37:35,350 --> 00:37:38,550
When I heard that, I was shocked.
481
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:45,750
I'm like, that's pure bullshit. Somebody
took a recording and put it on slow
482
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:48,050
motion. That didn't even sound right.
483
00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:56,170
Okay, how old is he?
484
00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:58,090
He's 50 years old, sir.
485
00:37:58,950 --> 00:38:00,690
If he's unconscious, he's not breathing?
486
00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:02,730
Yes, he's not breathing, sir.
487
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:04,450
Where's he at right now?
488
00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:08,230
He's on the bed, sir, but he's not
responding to the CPR or anything.
489
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:18,180
I went to the emergency room, and inside
the emergency room was the family. I
490
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:21,220
saw them. I saw Mrs. Jackson. I saw Mr.
Jackson.
491
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,380
And I was looking through the window,
and they're in the background. They're
492
00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:29,780
pumping somebody's chest.
493
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:33,700
I said, oh, my.
494
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:35,100
Oh, my.
495
00:38:38,830 --> 00:38:42,290
Michael Jackson is dead at the age of
50.
496
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:06,830
What I felt was absolute infernal
497
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:11,940
Rage. You stupid, stupid man.
498
00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:16,580
Michael, Michael, what have you done?
You've orphaned your children.
499
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:21,520
I think it took a few hours for the rage
to wear off and then terrible grief set
500
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,520
in.
501
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,400
Are you afraid of death?
502
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:32,340
Yes.
503
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,860
We all want to see what that other side
look like, though, don't we?
504
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,620
Do you think there are children playing
in heaven?
505
00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:41,980
Oh, God, I pray that that's what it's
like.
506
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,060
Like Adam and Eve, the way they're
described.
507
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:46,140
Yeah, like Adam and Eve.
508
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:50,000
It's just a happy garden, a perfect,
peaceful place.
509
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:52,760
Just a pure innocence.
510
00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:55,680
I pray that it's like that.
511
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,720
Michael's favorite word with innocence.
512
00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:06,980
because Michael was robbed of that
childhood innocence.
513
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,100
He said to me, I never had innocence.
514
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:17,140
My life has been a constant effort to
reclaim lost innocence, like a return
515
00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:18,500
to Eden, a return to paradise.
516
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:30,990
There is new global backlash tonight
following the bombshell documentary,
517
00:40:31,410 --> 00:40:36,410
Leaving Neverland. The accusations made
by Wade Robson, who's now 36, and James
518
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:38,690
Safechuck, now 41, are quite similar.
519
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:42,830
Both were befriended by Jackson when
they were young boys, and both were
520
00:40:42,830 --> 00:40:45,810
to his Neverland ranch, where they
claimed the abuse began.
521
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:48,570
So what are you alleging that he
actually did?
522
00:40:49,070 --> 00:40:52,790
He sexually abused me from 7 years old
until 14.
523
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:55,630
I've lived in silence.
524
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,340
and denial for 22 years and i can't
spend another moment in that
525
00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:08,220
i was appalled i was shocked
526
00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:14,900
wade robson told the jury under penalty
of perjury it didn't happen and then he
527
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:21,740
does this film and says oh yeah it
happened well the two don't jive it
528
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:22,860
me that it's false
529
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:32,540
I have never seen the documentary, but I
think these are cases of people coming
530
00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:38,120
out and saying horrible things long
after anything is provable, when there's
531
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,120
lot of money at stake.
532
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:44,240
The Michael Jackson I knew was a really,
really sweet, kind -hearted person.
533
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,280
I don't know why I get so protective.
534
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,580
It doesn't make any sense.
535
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,280
Do you think he's innocent?
536
00:41:56,430 --> 00:42:00,710
After everything you've seen, do you
feel that he's possibly innocent?
537
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:09,410
The world will say what it will say, and
perhaps only God knows the truth.
538
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:14,590
Could I believe that he was a pedophile?
539
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:18,450
Absolutely, categorically not.
540
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:20,990
But how do you know?
541
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:24,030
How do I know that he wasn't a
pedophile?
542
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:29,830
Oh, I don't know. I can only say based
on all the evidence, all the trials, and
543
00:42:29,830 --> 00:42:34,210
my personal knowledge of him, he was
absolutely incapable of harming a child.
544
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:43,550
I remember him putting my hands on his
head
545
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:45,190
when he was down there.
546
00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:53,450
I'll never forget the feeling of his
hair.
547
00:42:55,330 --> 00:43:00,130
The way they painted the picture of
inappropriate behavior, sexual
548
00:43:00,290 --> 00:43:03,170
it moved me. I just thought, oh, my
gosh.
549
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:10,410
If you saw that documentary, you have to
have some compassion for Wade and
550
00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:11,410
James.
551
00:43:11,730 --> 00:43:14,330
I think I was just kind of wincing.
552
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:19,870
I was asking him not to do it, but he
did it, and he said, oh, you'll like it.
553
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:23,350
It was so powerful.
554
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,760
So powerful. I was as big a Michael
Jackson fan as anyone.
555
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:35,140
But that documentary showed how this man
manipulated
556
00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:40,120
not just those boys, not just their
family.
557
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,220
Michael manipulated the entire world.
558
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:57,990
I believe that the outcome could have
been different if Jimmy Safechuck and
559
00:43:57,990 --> 00:44:00,570
Robson had been able to talk about what
had happened.
560
00:44:01,050 --> 00:44:02,950
But I don't blame them.
561
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:05,390
I'm not angry.
562
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:09,370
I may be a little frustrated, but I'm
really not angry. I'm glad that they
563
00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:10,370
come forward now.
564
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:12,910
I think it's helpful. It's helpful for
Gavin.
565
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:17,790
I think it's helpful for the rest of the
country to understand what actually
566
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:18,790
happened.
567
00:44:21,130 --> 00:44:23,070
A lot of folks did not.
568
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,700
want to believe Gavin. They wanted to
believe their hero, their idol.
569
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:36,240
We're talking about the king of pop, and
we don't want to believe that
570
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,220
such a phenomenal talent is dangerous.
571
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,340
We just don't want those two things in
the same place.
572
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:45,380
It's very difficult.
573
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:50,280
I'll be the first one to tell you
because...
574
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,800
I love his music. I love what he
created.
575
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,060
But Gavin, his story has never shifted.
576
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:05,360
And we would know by now if the reason
they had done this was money. There's
577
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,720
been no exchange of money in regards to
any of this for the Arvizo family.
578
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:16,820
So maybe we need to ask ourselves, is
that body of work worth
579
00:45:16,820 --> 00:45:19,660
the price of...
580
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:27,750
James, Wade, Gavin, is that a fair
price?
581
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:33,230
Gavin is doing extraordinarily well.
582
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:39,170
I'm magnificently proud of him, but he's
fought for it.
583
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:41,470
He's fought hard.
584
00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:47,830
Yeah, it's hard to talk about.
585
00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:13,980
Support information for the issues
raised can be found online at channel4
586
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:19,900
A trophy hunter who tracked and killed a
beloved lion living in a Zimbabwe
587
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:20,900
national park.
588
00:46:21,020 --> 00:46:23,720
What's the story and why wasn't the
killer charged?
589
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,440
Cecil, the lion and the dentist is new
next Thursday at 10.
590
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:32,120
Next tonight, a double -edged debate.
The battle to stop the boats.
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