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This programme contains strong
language from the start,
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and scenes which some viewers
may find disturbing.
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Right, Holly. Shall we start again?
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From the beginning.
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'At me mates', there's no-one
standing at the window
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'waiting to kick off.'
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If you like it so much,
why don't you go live there, then?!
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CHEERING
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When are you going to let me
have sex with you? No... No...
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'Don't let them kiss you.'
Get off me!
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I don't take my top off, or nothing.
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GLASS SMASHES
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'You're not safe.
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'He's going to kill you.'
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THUD
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MUFFLED SHOUT
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Tell me everything
you want the police to know.
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Like who?
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I don't know what they're
going to do to us. Who?
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The men.
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They do nothing to us.
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You come back home with us,
and we'll sort this. I promise you.
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We'll sort it.
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You were saying,
about Tariq and Amber...
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Tariq started taking us places.
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He started picking us up and...
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..Amber thought
that he was her boyfriend.
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So, what did you think was going on
when he picked you up?
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I didn't actually know
he was taking us to have sex.
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I don't know if she did, but...
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So, what did you think
was going to happen?
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I don't know.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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MUSIC BLARES
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What do you want?
Is Amber Bowen at this address?
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Amber!
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Why, what do you want her for?
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Hmm?
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Amber Bowen?
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Yeah.
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We're arresting you on suspicion
of inciting girls to prostitution.
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Doing what?
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She's 15. 15 - in a cell!
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She's being interviewed now.
What for!
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She's got a solicitor with her.
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I'm her mum!
I should be in there with her.
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I know me fucking rights!
Look, you can either wait here
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or we'll call you
when it's concluded. She's 15!
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BANG ON COUNTER
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Are you arranging for girls
to have sex with men?
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No comment.
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Are you taking money
while other girls have sex with men?
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No comment.
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Are you a madam, Amber?
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No comment.
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Your mum's outside having a fag.
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What you done?
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They wouldn't tell me.
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PHONE BEEPS
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Is Ruby doing it?
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Whatever it is, is Ruby doing it?
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I've got to go. Where are you going?
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Where are you going?
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Ruby...
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What
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Where do you go, when you're out
with them Pakis
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Um...
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I sit on the settee.
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They give me money
for sitting on the settee.
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Ruby is pregnant.
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We'll need more tests to check
for STIs.
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Are you going to bash my face in?
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No...Ruby...
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No. Why would you say that?
Cos that's what you always said.
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TEARFULLY: If me or Amber got
pregnant before we were 16...
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Come here...
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RUBY SOBS
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Do you know who got you pregnant?
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Yeah.
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What's he called?
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Billy.
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Billy what?
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Just Billy.
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Do you know where he lives?
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Havelock Grange.
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Right. Come on.
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Why?
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I don't want him to get
into trouble.
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It's all right,
you just point at his house.
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Is that his taxi?
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Yeah.
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And is that his house?
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Yeah.
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Can we go now?
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SHE WHIMPERS
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Bye. Bye. See ya.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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KEYPAD BEEPS
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PHONE RINGS
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Hello, Rochdale Police.
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'13-year-old
on the child protection register,
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'got a statement of learning needs,
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'pregnant by a mid-30s man
with a family of his own.'
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I can tell you his name,
his address, his licence plate.
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She's getting
a termination tomorrow
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at Millfield Road Clinic, 3 o'clock.
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DOOR CLOSES
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Hello. Ruby Bowen?
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Ruby's frightened of needles.
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She'll be fine.
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WHISPERS: It's OK.
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He was doing appeasement.
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What's that, then?
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Like, he was just saying
yeah to what Hitler wanted,
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just to, like, keep the peace?
Very good.
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Where was he from?
The Conservatives.
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What part of the world?
Well, that's not in it, is it?
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It's a bonus question.
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Dad! It's GCSEs not a pub quiz.
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Oi, smartarse, how many GCSEs
have you got?
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How many have you? No comment.
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Well, what about what's in there?
Did I do all right?
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All right? You got every one.
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And for that, Paxo here's going
to make you a cup of tea.
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One for me, as well, please!
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HUBBUB
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What's her name? She's so cute.
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Holly.
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I've got yours.
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ALL CHATTER
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Girls, can we have a minute, please?
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Did I pass any?
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You passed them all.
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Every one.
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You can do A levels, Holly.
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You can go to university.
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You can do whatever you want.
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THEY CHUCKLE
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Holly'll be back soon. Don't you
want to know how she got on?
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Course I do. I'm going to go
and meet her halfway.
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Tell us! Will you just tell us?
Where's Dad?
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Passed 'em all.
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Every single one.
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That's fantastic, love.
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Dad?
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What's wrong?
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Your case has been dropped.
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There's going to be no charges.
Against anyone.
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Why?
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Cos there's an "unrealistic
prospect of conviction".
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His DNA's all over your knickers...
Jim!
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..and there's an "unrealistic
prospect of conviction".
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Mum?
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What about all the interviews I did,
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and picking 'em out of a line
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It wasn't the police, Holly.
It was CPS.
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Why?
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I told the truth.
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I told 'em everything.
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I know. They didn't think
a jury would believe you.
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Thanks very much, but no thanks.
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You don't even know
what I'm going to ask you yet.
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I know you've got an operation
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running into sex abuse
by Asian gangs.
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What else have you heard?
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That there's a foetus been found
in a freezer
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belonging to a 13-year-old girl.
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You've had a 15-year-old locked
in a cell for being a madam.
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All sorts.
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It's not good.
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But we've a chance now
to put it right.
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We can get convictions here, Maggie,
if we can re-engage the girls.
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I've been here before, Sandy.
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2004, 2005 - same story,
but Manchester not Rochdale.
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I spent over a year
getting two 14-year-old girls
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to spill their guts to me
about what had been done to them,
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only for the whole thing
to just fade away.
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Maggie, you can trust me
when I tell you,
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there's a fair wind behind this one.
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You can have a force-9 gale,
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but that won't compel
a vulnerable kid into a witness box.
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I know that.
Which is why I need you.
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Come on, Maggie.
Let me just show you the file.
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File?
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All right - FILES.
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Amber and Ruby Bowen.
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Amber of the jail cell.
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Ruby of the foetus.
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They're key to this,
and we need 'em. Both of 'em.
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They're both victims
of the same group of men.
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But Amber was arrested?
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She was, yeah.
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Other kids thought
she was in control.
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Maybe she even thought she was in
control but, of course, she wasn't.
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The men were.
She was never charged
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And Ruby? Well, we've got
Forensics with the foetus
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that leads us right
to the perpetrator...
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if we can get her consent for us
having it in the first place.
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So, she doesn't know that we have it
or that it was ever taken?
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I'm not going to lie to you,
Maggie. It's a mess.
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Rochdale's had trouble with
on-street grooming going way back,
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and even when they had
a cracking case -
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kid called Holly Winshaw -
they never got it to trial.
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Now the IPCC are
investigating their failings.
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How many victims?
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47.
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They're drowning in it.
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My priority is to reopen
every one of these cases.
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And re-engage the girls.
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Adil Khan.
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Shabir Ahmed, Abdul Aziz.
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Kabeer Hasan. Mohammed Sajid.
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Mohammed Amin. Abdul Raulf.
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Abdul Qayyum. Hamid Safi.
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Anya Miah - we don't need to bother
about him, cos he's in jail already.
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What for, sir? Child abuse charges
going back to the 1980s.
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He was a fugitive from the law when
he did what he did to these girls.
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He got 15 years,
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so he's out the way.
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'I want the rest of these
individuals arrested.
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'I want them taken to separate
police stations to be interviewed,
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'and I want their houses searched.
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'The press know we've
an operation running.
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'They've agreed to a news embargo
till the new year.'
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You don't have to get hold of me.
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'If your role is with victims,
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'then I want you planning
your approach with Peter Boyd,'
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who's a specialist
interview advisor.
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I know Mr Guthrie
will have belaboured the point,
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but I am going to hammer it home
some more.
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This entire operation
stands and falls
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on us being able to
re-engage these girls.
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They were children who were raped
and abused,
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and when they went to the police
nothing was done about it.
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What this investigation needs,
more than anything, is open minds.
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I want you going out there
thinking of these girls
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as your own kids or grandkids.
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Cos if it was your own,
you'd be torn to pieces.
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Why?
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Why now?
Mr Winshaw is Holly at home?
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She's in a mother-and-baby hostel.
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I've got three other kids in there,
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and I can't have Holly
ripping a hole
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in the middle of this house.
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And do you know who I blame
for that?
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Whose fault it is
that she's in pieces
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and seems determined
to stay that way? You.
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All of you.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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I'm Maggie Oliver. I'm a detective
with Greater Manchester Police.
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This is Detective John Duff.
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I'd like to talk to you
and the girls.
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They're not here.
Who is it? >
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Mum!
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Who are you?
What are you saying they've done?
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We're not saying they've done
anything.
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Far from it. We need their help.
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We're here because they were both
victims of offences.
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Just fucking answer me when I ask
you! Who the fuck are they?!
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Stay in the house.
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For fuck's sake, what are you doing?
Get in! Fuck...
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LOCKS CLICK
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Greater Manchester Police
are reopening an investigation
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into what went on.
We've come to ask
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if they'd be prepared
to make statements.
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00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:33,800
What do you think you're doing,
coming to my door now?
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00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,520
I understand you weren't
expecting us, but we're...
269
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,200
Expecting you?
Why would I be expecting you?
270
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,400
You knew what were going on
and what did you do?
271
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,520
Arrest me daughter for being a pimp.
272
00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,160
No-one bothered.
273
00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,800
Except that Sara at Sexual Health.
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None of you...
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We want nothing to do
with any of you.
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So don't come near,
cos we are giving you nothing!
277
00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,000
What are you doing?
I'm not doing nothing.
278
00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,520
Why you shouting at me?
I'm not shouting at you!
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Just fuck off! Fuck off! Fuck OFF!
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CHATTER
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Sara...
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I'm DC Maggie Oliver.
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I'm a detective with
Greater Manchester Police.
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OK.
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GMP's running an operation,
Operation Span,
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00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,480
to put right
what went wrong at Rochdale
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in relation
to the grooming of young girls.
288
00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:49,520
I understand that you made several
referrals to the police
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in relation to two girls in
particular, Amber and Ruby Bowen.
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So, I'm here in the hope
that you might have some
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relevant intelligence
in relation to them.
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I... I've...got the car, so,
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um, if there are files,
I can take 'em now.
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00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,920
Fuck off.
295
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,200
No, really.
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00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,880
I mean it.
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00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,880
Fuck off!
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00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,880
I've been in here,
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00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,240
sat in here,
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00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,520
for years,
301
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,240
and what you're demanding off me now
302
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,000
I couldn't pay you lot
to look at for years.
303
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,520
And what, you swan in here off the
street with your Prada handbag
304
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,680
telling me to hand it over like you
were asking to check me gas meter?
305
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,920
I understand... Oh, no, you don't.
306
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,480
You really, really don't.
307
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,000
What those girls have been
telling me for years
308
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,400
I have been powerless
to do anything about
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00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,400
BECAUSE you lot didn't want to know.
310
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,920
Well, we want to know now.
311
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,240
This is the biggest
operation GMP's running.
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00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,440
What do you think been happening
to those girls in the meantime?
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00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,400
Raped, beaten, not believed.
Raped, beaten, not believed.
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00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,680
What do you think
that does to a kid?
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00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,200
Do you think they're sitting round
waiting to do their civic duty
316
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,640
because you lot have got
your act together?
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00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,440
If you want documents off me,
make an application.
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00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,880
Fill out a form. Do whatever
official thing it is you coppers
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00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,240
have to do when you're after
evidence.
320
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,880
But don't rock up here after
all these years,
321
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,200
acting like you're
the saviour of the family!
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00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,720
SHE SNIFFLES
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00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,720
Here's your little bunny.
Here you go.
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00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,840
Here he is.
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00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,560
Holly...
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00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,160
when you went to the police about
Tariq and Daddy and those other men,
327
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,680
the CPS made a decision
not to prosecute.
328
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,000
But now there's a new team of
police working on the kind of crime
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00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,960
you were a victim of.
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00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,920
We want to reopen your case
and bring these men to trial.
331
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,280
So, you want me to help you?
332
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,080
Yeah, we do.
333
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,760
When you NEVER helped me.
334
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,800
Why would I do that?
335
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,640
Because you come here and you sit,
being nice to me baby?
336
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,800
Why don't you try taking
me to McDonald's?
337
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,280
Or is it just social workers
who do that?
338
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,480
It's pathetic.
I just want to talk to you, Holly.
339
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,120
The police just want to talk to you.
I've talked to 'em.
340
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,280
I've talked to 'em
and talked to 'em
341
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,000
and talked to 'em
and talked to 'em.
342
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,480
And then they turn round
and call me a liar.
343
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,600
Are you Margaret Oliver?
I am, yeah.
344
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,640
From Sara Rowbotham,
Rochdale Sexual Health.
345
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,160
There's two more down the hall.
346
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,520
There aren't 47 girls.
347
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,760
There's hundreds of 'em.
348
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,240
She's got names, addresses,
reg plates.
349
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,360
Multiple girls reporting
the same perpetrators.
350
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,000
Why the hell didn't Rochdale CID
have these files?
351
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,480
Because they didn't want 'em.
352
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,520
What do you mean, they didn't want
them? It's bloody evidence.
353
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,000
Not according to them.
354
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,560
Sexual Health made hundreds
of referrals to the police
355
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,760
and they got the same response
every time.
356
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,920
"This isn't evidence, Sara,
it's just intelligence,
357
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,880
"and it's not something for us to do
anything about."
358
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,720
No wonder she wiped the
floor with me.
359
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,960
Operation Stable Door, this.
360
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,520
The girls will just not talk to us.
361
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,840
We've underestimated
how fragile they are
362
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,440
and the level of anger and betrayal
they feel towards the police.
363
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,520
Well, because this
is a live investigation
364
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,000
for Greater Manchester Police,
365
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,760
detectives are keeping their cards
pretty close to their chests,
366
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,760
but what we do know is that nine
arrests were made here in Rochdale
367
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,320
just before Christmas
over allegations
368
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,760
concerning the sexual
exploitation of teenage girls.
369
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,160
Now, we understand that all the men
are Asian,
370
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,360
and that all the
girls involved are white.
371
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,160
The arrests were made
372
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,200
on suspicion of allowing premises
to be used for prostitution,
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00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,240
of inciting child prostitution,
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00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,800
suspicion of rape and sexual
activity with a child.
375
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,640
The nine men have been
released on bail
376
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,320
while police investigate
the allegations.
377
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:29,120
Hannah, am I right in thinking that
these are not new allegations?
378
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,320
Well, these allegations were made
to Rochdale police in 2008,
379
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,200
however, the case was dropped
380
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,560
and none of the complaints against
these men ever made it to trial.
381
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,680
This is something Greater
Manchester Police
382
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,520
is going to have to grapple with
as the police's own watchdog,
383
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,760
the Independent Police
Complaints Commission
384
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,520
has been brought in
to look at what happened.
385
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,800
It's early days yet
for that inquiry
386
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,400
but we do know there are concerns
within Greater Manchester Police
387
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,560
about the standard and the quality
of the earlier investigation.
388
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,360
What do you think you're
going to find?
389
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,240
I'm not a total fucking moron.
390
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,040
You know the score, Holly.
391
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760
Sobriety is a condition
of you keeping Ella.
392
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,000
That's why we do these spot checks.
393
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,160
I could be arseholed right now and
you lot wouldn't have a clue.
394
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Are you? Course I'm fucking not!
395
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,880
You're not helping yourself. Or her.
396
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,840
You're a pointless fucking bitch.
Do you know that?
397
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,720
ELLA BABBLES
398
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,120
This is Emily Stone from the CPS,
399
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,440
who'll be working alongside us
at Span from here on in.
400
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,000
There's a couple of cases where
the evidence is already there.
401
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,480
Holly Winshaw.
402
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,080
Ruby Bowen, Amber Bowen.
403
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,640
They've told us where to go,
I know that,
404
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,240
but we need to approach them again.
405
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,120
I just don't think a family
like the Bowens
406
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,840
would cooperate
with us in a month of Sundays.
407
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,760
What's the obstacle? It's that.
408
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,600
It's that, John. It's THAT attitude.
409
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,920
"A family like that."
That's the obstacle.
410
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,000
Lorna can smell that off us
as soon as look at us
411
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,560
because everyone in authority
treats her like that.
412
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,440
It's...
413
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,440
It's not brain surgery, this.
414
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,880
We treat them as human beings,
415
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,760
and we say we're sorry.
416
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,880
'Hello?'
417
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,640
Oh, hi, Lorna.
418
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,160
'Who is this?'
419
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,320
'It's Maggie Oliver,
we met a couple of weeks ago
420
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,800
'when I came around your house
to talk to you about the girls.'
421
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,040
Hello, can you hear me?
422
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,440
'What do you want?
Look, I told you...'
423
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Yep, I know you did.
424
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,720
And I'm not surprised, because if I
were you and a copper
425
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,800
'came round to my door, I'd want to
hose them off the pavement. But...
426
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,080
'I'd like another chance to
talk to you.'
427
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,080
What happened to your girls
is a disgrace.
428
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,920
What we LET happen.
429
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,640
But we've got a chance to put
it right.
430
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,040
Ring me next week.
431
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,640
Who's ringing you next week?
432
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800
Just someone from housing.
433
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,840
TV: 'And the lead
in the Times says
434
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,040
'a culture of silence that has
facilitated the sexual exploitation
435
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,960
'of hundreds of young British girls
436
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,800
'by criminal pimping gangs
is exposed by the paper.
437
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,680
'Today a pattern of abuse across
the North and the Midlands is...'
438
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,960
RADIO: 'The Times is pursuing
a revelation in the paper
439
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,560
'that there is sexual exploitation
of hundreds of young girls...'
440
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,600
RADIO: The Times newspaper
identified 17 prosecutions
441
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280
'of street grooming
over the past 14 years
442
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,360
'and it said of the 56 convicted
in those cases,
443
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,840
'53 were Asian.'
444
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,520
Mags... Mags! A word?
445
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,800
Have you seen the papers?
446
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,560
It's all eyes on us.
447
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,520
The Times is saying the
failures in Rochdale happened
448
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,240
because police were scared of
upsetting racial sensitivities.
449
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,160
Well, if those men
come back off bail
450
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,280
and we can't charge them
with anything,
451
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,040
there's going to be riots.
452
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,000
They don't know I'm meeting you,
you know. Neither of 'em.
453
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,360
Amber don't like to think
about that time.
454
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,320
Does she ever talk about it?
455
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,880
Not to me.
456
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,240
Never.
457
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,760
Lorna...
458
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,440
we've got Ruby's foetus.
459
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,720
When she had the termination,
it was seized by the police.
460
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,000
Why? So that they could test it
461
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,760
and get a DNA match with the bloke
that got her pregnant.
462
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,520
They got the match, but they didn't
do any more about it then.
463
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,760
But we can now,
if Ruby gives her permission
464
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,880
to let us use those DNA results
in court.
465
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,000
Sorry...
466
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,640
There's a real chance
that we can get this man put away,
467
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,520
and all the others,
468
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,600
if we can get the girls to talk.
469
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,840
You don't understand.
Amber, she knows it were wrong.
470
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640
But Ruby, she'll never talk to you.
471
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,920
Still thinks
them blokes were friends.
472
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,520
If she sees them in the
street, she... She waves.
473
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,080
LORNA SOBS
474
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,200
Amber's got to live in 'ere
cos of Ruby's anger problems.
475
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,480
She can't be at home wi' me.
476
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,480
KNOCK ON DOOR
477
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480
BABY CRIES
478
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,920
Hiya.
479
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,080
BABY CRIES
480
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,800
She's not herself today.
481
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Are you?
482
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,880
What's wrong with her?
483
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,480
She's not going to toilet.
484
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,240
If you lie her on a blanket
and cycle her legs,
485
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,600
sometimes that
can help move things along.
486
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,200
I've never heard of that before.
487
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Have you, Amber?
488
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Worked with my four,
and me grandsons -
489
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640
except for one, who I think holds
it in just to spite me.
490
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,160
LORNA CHUCKLES
491
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,560
You're a cop? Yeah.
492
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,360
Coming on 20 years now.
493
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,160
When my kids went to school,
494
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,760
I went to uni
495
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,480
and, um, then I joined the force.
496
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,080
I'm not going in any police station.
497
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,200
You wouldn't have to.
498
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,800
There's a special unit in Bury.
499
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,640
It's for victims.
500
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,240
That's what you were.
501
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,520
A victim.
502
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,800
One of many.
503
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,480
And we'd support you, as a victim,
all the way through to trial.
504
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,400
They'll kill me
if I say owt to police.
505
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,640
They don't know where you live.
506
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Take 'em five seconds to find out.
507
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,680
I see 'em on the streets.
508
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,480
If I go out.
509
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,760
Which I don't.
510
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,960
So, you're stuck in here, in a
homeless hostel with a newborn...
511
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,840
..while they're out there,
free to go on about their lives.
512
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760
When did you move out
your mum and dad's?
513
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,760
Couple of months ago.
514
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,600
Too much fighting with me dad.
515
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040
He's just mad at everything.
516
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,760
Mad at me,
517
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,800
mad at the police, mad at CPS.
518
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,480
He joined BNP.
519
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Did he? Yeah. Then left it again.
520
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Mad at them, probably.
521
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,720
Anyway, he's right that there's
no-one's stood over me,
522
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,160
forcing me to neck a bottle
of cider every night.
523
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,320
It's not as simple as that,
though, is it?
524
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,840
He was like, "Right, Holly,
525
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,280
"they've washed their hands
of you, move on.
526
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,120
"No-one's going to do owt for you."
527
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
They didn't then.
528
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,640
But they want to now.
529
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,640
What's the point?
530
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,680
It were years ago.
531
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Does it feel like years ago?
532
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Sir? Yeah.
533
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Holly Winshaw's on board.
534
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Thank God for that. Well done, Nina.
535
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,360
Oh, it wasn't me, sir. It was Sara.
536
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Holly trusts her.
537
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,040
Right.
538
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,240
Let's go after these bastards.
539
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,200
At last, we've a number of girls
540
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,960
who've agreed to be interviewed.
541
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,640
But it's the quality
of those interviews
542
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,240
that's going to make
or break our case with the CPS.
543
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,920
Memory degrades like tape degrades.
544
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,920
They won't, off the tops
of their heads,
545
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160
remember names, addresses -
546
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,040
because they were drunk, yes -
547
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,680
but mainly because
they don't want to.
548
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Every time you ask a question,
549
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,320
you are re-traumatising them.
550
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,120
You're bringing them back there.
But there's no other way.
551
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,520
'Because these girls' memories...'
Hiya. '..That's our crime scene.'
552
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,280
Hiya.
553
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,280
You all right?
554
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,240
Hiya, little girl.
555
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,160
Oh!
556
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,800
Ohh!
557
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Aren't you sweet!
558
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,600
Cameras, so we've got
your evidence to play at court.
559
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,920
I know. I've been here before.
560
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,760
Course you have.
561
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,600
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT
So...
562
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080
What I want you to do now, Holly,
563
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,880
is start right at the beginning.
564
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,680
Tell me, in as much detail
as you can,
565
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:53,720
everything that's happened.
566
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,000
Amber...
567
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,320
In the files, back at the office,
568
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,800
there was this, um,
569
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,680
list of names
that you wrote out for Gregory,
570
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,760
that social worker that you saw
for a bit last year.
571
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Do you remember telling him
about those names?
572
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Your mum said that
he left shortly after that.
573
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,400
You must have felt very let down.
574
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,480
Thing is, those names.
575
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,680
They're a really important piece
of evidence, and, um...
576
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,080
..maybe we can build on it.
577
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,160
Maybe you and me,
578
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,920
we can make something of it.
579
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,600
He said, "Don't cry."
580
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,720
And he said, "You're beautiful."
581
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,040
And when he was on top of you,
582
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,520
what was you doing?
583
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,040
I were trying to move, but...
584
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,120
..I just gave up.
585
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,800
Cos what's the point in trying?
586
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,200
DC Margaret Oliver
interviewing Amber Bowen.
587
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,960
Amber...
588
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,240
..can you tell me about when
you went to the kebab shops?
589
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,320
Everything that bitch did,
she did free willingly.
590
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,240
That fucking sket Holly Winshaw.
591
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Lying fucking bitch.
592
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,240
The list that you gave Gregory,
593
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,800
the social worker
who was around for a while,
594
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,240
that was a list of lots of men,
wasn't it?
595
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,280
Addresses of lots
of different flats.
596
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,800
They never touched me.
597
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,640
They actually never touched me
unless I wanted them to touch me.
598
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,240
Will you be all right on your own?
599
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Me mum's bringing Yasmin
back in a minute.
600
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,440
First one's the hardest
601
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,120
because you're opening up that box
that's locked in your head.
602
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,080
It'll get easier.
603
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,440
BABY CRIES
604
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,040
No... No!
605
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,040
BABY CRIES
606
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Can you let me in please, Holly? >
607
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,760
KNOCK AT DOOR
608
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,840
DOOR OPENS
609
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,920
BABY CRIES
610
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,360
It's jackboot tactics,
is what it is.
611
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,000
She's safe and happy here.
612
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,480
Come and have a look at her.
613
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,120
She's safe and happy in this house
with me and my wife.
614
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,320
Holly was fully aware
that this would be the outcome
615
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,720
if she carried on the way she was.
616
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,600
This isn't about Holly now, is it?
617
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,800
It's about Ella.
618
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,600
My granddaughter.
619
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,680
I am perfectly capable
620
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,120
and my wife is perfectly capable
of looking after our own.
621
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,800
This is temporary.
At the moment, it's temporary.
622
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,240
She'll be in foster care
for the next few weeks,
623
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,640
I'm sorry, but we have to
enforce the order.
624
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,000
No...
625
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,040
Holly.
626
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,320
SHE SNIFFLES
627
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,400
Please don't.
628
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,800
SHE SOBS
629
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,480
I'll do better. I'll change.
We have to, Holly.
630
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,760
I'm sorry!
631
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,640
Dad, please!
632
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,040
They've got to take the baby.
633
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,000
HOLLY SOBS
634
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,360
Come on.
635
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,880
No.
636
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,040
No.
637
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,560
No.
638
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,960
Daddy.
639
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,840
No.
640
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,280
No.
641
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,240
I can't do no more.
642
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,240
SHE SOBS
643
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,080
I can't do no more.
644
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,480
You're helping other kids by doing
this. You know that, don't you?
645
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,160
Making sure that what happened to
you never happens to them.
646
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,360
Imagine how you'd feel
if they ever went near Yasmin.
647
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,960
They never could.
648
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,360
They never would,
cos I'd wouldn't let them.
649
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,720
Yeah, but what if she didn't
have someone like you?
650
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,400
What about those kids who don't have
anyone to protect them?
651
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,040
SOFTLY: I can't do no more.
652
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,840
You can.
653
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,840
I know you can.
654
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,280
OK. All right. Go on, then.
655
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,840
Go in there, give it another go.
656
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,800
SHE EXHALES
657
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,600
Our star witness looking like
she's too vulnerable to proceed.
658
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,080
How's Holly doing?
659
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,480
I don't know. It's too early to say.
She's still in hospital,
660
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,200
but I do know her parents don't want
us coming anywhere near.
661
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,840
Maggie?
662
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,000
The boss wants to see you.
663
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,800
I've heard Amber's first
interview, Maggie.
664
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,600
She's calling Holly
every name under the sun.
665
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,880
I know that first interview
with Amber wasn't what we needed,
666
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,240
but she's done hours more
since then.
667
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,160
She's given us names, places,
phone numbers, taxi firms.
668
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,760
We need Ruby.
669
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,960
But Ruby's a different kettle
of fish altogether.
670
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,680
We need to start thinking
like prosecutors now.
671
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:30,200
There's forensics with Ruby -
the foetus.
672
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,040
If she gives us consent
to use it. And right now...
673
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Right now, she's our best chance
of successful prosecution.
674
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,840
I've spent months building
a relationship with Amber
675
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,800
because that's what it's taken
to get her to trust the police.
676
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,840
She was scared at first, Sandy,
677
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,280
but then she's really
started to open up.
678
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,480
We're not talking about Amber.
679
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,840
I'd like you to engage Ruby.
680
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,400
Sir.
681
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,480
Amber wanted to see you today.
682
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,800
The little one's teething.
683
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,760
Any tips?
684
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,160
Well, I just wanted a chat
to Ruby today on our own.
685
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:16,920
I'm not going to lie to you, Ruby.
686
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,840
I want you to tell me
what happened to you.
687
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,800
You went through a terrible time,
688
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,400
and we want to make sure that that
never happens to other children.
689
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,200
It wasn't a terrible time.
690
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,120
It was one of the best times.
It were mint.
691
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,560
You were 13 years old,
692
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,000
and he was a married man of
nearly 40 with children of his own,
693
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,440
and he got you pregnant.
That's not right.
694
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,200
You don't know anything.
695
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,360
I know you were the victim
of somebody who was older...
696
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,560
We was having a relationship.
697
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,280
He loved me.
698
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,480
I wasn't a victim of anything.
699
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,320
RUBY SIGHS
700
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
DOOR BANGS
701
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,840
I told you you'd have no chance
with Ruby.
702
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,280
It's OK. She's just got
to work it out in her own head.
703
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,040
DOOR OPENS
704
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,160
INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION
705
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,600
THEY CHATTER
706
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,080
She's asleep.
707
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,600
Fine, OK.
708
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,640
Do you want to come in?
709
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,680
She's got nothing to live for now.
710
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:57,520
No focus,
711
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,240
no purpose.
712
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,400
And it's maddening, cos she played
right into their hands
713
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,680
and did the exact thing that gave
them the power to take Ella off her.
714
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:09,560
You lot egged her on...
715
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,080
to get involved with this.
716
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,720
You can all go home, can't you,
at the end of the day.
717
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,000
It's her that's left with it going
round and round in her head.
718
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,480
Yeah.
719
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,080
I did egg her on...
720
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,400
because I thought it would
help her.
721
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,600
HE SCOFFS
722
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Oh, it's done her the power
of good, ain't it?
723
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,480
And I still think that
this is important, psychologically,
724
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:41,160
for her to get the chance to stand
up and say what happened.
725
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,240
She's been standing up for years.
726
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Yeah, she has, but now, finally...
727
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,920
..there's people listening.
728
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,080
Did it look like a baby?
729
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,920
I don't know.
730
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,240
How big was it?
731
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,760
Was it tiny?
732
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,120
I don't know.
733
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,040
Why did they freeze it?
734
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,320
I think so then it won't go off.
735
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,080
So they can do tests on it
if they wanted to.
736
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,800
But they can't do owt with the
results unless you say they can.
737
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,040
OK.
738
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,960
It's a shame for it.
739
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,640
What happened to it.
740
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,480
In't it?
741
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,800
LORNA KISSES
Yeah.
742
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,560
It won't always be like this.
743
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,080
Yeah, it will.
744
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,080
We can apply for guardianship
of her.
745
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,880
Me and your mum.
746
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,800
If you want that.
747
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,280
I don't know why I did it.
748
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,880
I don't...
749
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,520
Sara came to see you.
750
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,280
Sounds like the coppers,
this time round,
751
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,360
they're night and day
from the other lot.
752
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,280
You don't have to have anything
to do with 'em,
753
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,640
but if you want to carry on with
this...
754
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,560
..your mum and me, we...
755
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,840
we'll be right behind you.
756
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,400
Come on, Ruby.
757
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,360
They pass you round like a ball.
758
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,480
They, like, get your number
759
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,520
and then there's, like,
760
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,560
50 people you don't know
who are ringing you.
761
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,960
What do you mean, they pass you
round like a ball, Ruby?
762
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,160
They'd be in a flat in, like,
a massive circle...
763
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,440
..and then they'd put the white girl
in the middle.
764
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,040
Then you'd get sent off
with one of them,
765
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,800
and then you'd come back and, like,
get passed and passed again.
766
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,880
And where was the flat?
767
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,760
There weren't one.
768
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,600
There were loads.
769
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,120
I didn't feel anything.
770
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,480
Why do you think you felt like that?
771
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,800
Because it had been going
on for so long.
772
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,600
'It hurt...
773
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,240
'..because I didn't want to do it.
774
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,400
'And I'd only had sex, like,
775
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,600
'a couple of times before that,
as well.
776
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,440
MAN: 'Say again. Sorry?
777
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,000
'Cos I'd only had sex, like,
a couple of times before that.
778
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,840
'Amber thought that
he was her boyfriend.
779
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,280
'So, what did you think was going
to happen when he picked you up?
780
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,360
'I didn't actually know
he was taking us to have sex.
781
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,760
MAGGIE: 'What was you doing?
782
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,680
'I were trying to move.
783
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,760
'But I just gave up.
784
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,360
'Because what's the point
in trying?'
785
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,080
The problem is the witness
Holly Winshaw.
786
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,880
She was seen as unreliable then
and, arguably,
787
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,680
she's even less
likely to convince a jury now,
788
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,240
given the troubles she's had
in the meantime.
789
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,240
Chaotic. Chaotic.
790
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,600
That is exactly the kind of person
who's affected by this crime.
791
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,120
The girl that no-one's looking out
for, who's on the streets at night,
792
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,120
out of control of the parents.
793
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,920
That quality made her
a victim in the first place. Agreed.
794
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,800
So, if it's also the quality that
keeps her out the witness box,
795
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,760
isn't she doubly damned?
796
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,960
But to be ultra-pragmatic
for a moment,
797
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,920
what is the point in subjecting
a girl like Holly to a trial
798
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,520
if a jury is not going to believe
she's telling the truth?
799
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,840
If a jury's not going
to believe her?
800
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,640
Why are we making that assumption?
801
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,560
I watched her interviews...
802
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,120
..and I believed her.
803
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,920
And in court,
how do we deal with the fact
804
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,800
that it's on record
that we DIDN'T believe her?
805
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,360
We put our hand up
and we say we got it wrong.
806
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,600
It went well.
807
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,720
CPS have agreed the charges we want
to go for in respect of Ruby.
808
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,400
Really good work, Maggie.
Well done.
809
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,480
And the Chief Prosecutor himself has
given us the green light on Holly.
810
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,760
We're going to trial.
811
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,480
Emily, can I have a word?
812
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,320
Yeah, of course.
813
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,920
It's about Amber.
814
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,560
Look, I'm sorry, Maggie, but we
cannot put her in a witness box.
815
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,760
No. I don't believe it.
816
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,880
No. She's just too volatile.
817
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,400
She's been through what the other
girls have gone through, and more.
818
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,800
I know, but a jury...
819
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,120
A jury can see a damaged person
when there's one in front of them.
820
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,840
She will not go down well
with a jury.
821
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,960
So, Holly's the right kind of
victim, but Amber...
822
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,040
Isn't this the kind of attitude
towards young girls
823
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,400
that created this mess
in the first place?
824
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,080
This is not a value judgment.
825
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,240
It's just a statement of fact about
what the legal system demands.
826
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,800
We need to be strategic
about calling witnesses
827
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,920
so we can get those convictions.
828
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,760
We cannot have two kids
829
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,160
contradicting
and blaming each other.
830
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,200
The jury's heads will pop,
and we will go away with nothing.
831
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,840
Let's credit the jury
with some intelligence!
832
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,760
Both of these girls were victims!
833
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,080
Amber was the kind of kid
whose basic human needs -
834
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,160
um, warmth, shelter, food, drink -
835
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,400
were being met by a kebab shop,
836
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,640
and if she WAS in charge, if she
was getting the other girls
837
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,160
to dish out blow jobs, it was so she
didn't have to do them all herself!
838
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,680
Maggie, stop it.
You're getting too emotional.
839
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,320
Yeah, but isn't that exactly why I
was put on this job?
840
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,680
Because I'm older, I'm a mum,
I'm a gran...
841
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,800
Oh, I'm so bloody domestic, the
girls will forget that I'm a copper
842
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,920
and they'll trust me
and they'll open up to me,
843
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,480
and that's exactly what Amber did.
844
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,800
Do you know what it cost her
to do that!
845
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,800
So I can go back to her and say,
846
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,560
"No-one's going to court
for what they did to you,
847
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,880
"because you're coarse and you
swear and you're unsympathetic."
848
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,880
Sandy guaranteed that this
wouldn't happen again!
849
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,920
It is the job of the CPS
850
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,600
to decide what we present at trial.
851
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,320
Not everybody gets their day
in court, Maggie.
852
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,520
They're not using Amber,
but they're going to use Ruby.
853
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,760
I'm not using anyone.
854
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,240
'Nine men have been charged
over allegations of grooming
855
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,560
'and committing sexual activity
with teenage girls in Rochdale.
856
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,480
'The men have been charged
with offences including rape,
857
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,840
'paying for the sexual
services of a child,
858
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,480
'trafficking a child and
controlling child prostitution,
859
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,480
'going back to 2008.'
860
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,760
Shabir Ahmed,
you are charged with conspiracy
861
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,200
to have sexual activity
with a child,
862
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,240
conspiring with others
to sexually touch a child,
863
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,720
multiple counts of trafficking,
864
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,680
multiple counts of rape.
865
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,920
Nine not-guilty pleas,
which means nine cross-examinations,
866
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,200
which means nine different
barristers telling these girls
867
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,600
that every word
they're saying's a lie.
868
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,160
Are they up to it?
869
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,760
'Innocent white victims.
Dark-skinned abusers.'
870
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
'It's uncomfortable, isn't it?'
CROWD CHANTS
871
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,640
The whole bloody country's
waiting on this trial
872
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,000
and she's up there having a lie-in!
873
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,840
Where is she?
874
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,800
How dare you show your
face here again?!
875
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,720
If they didn't want me to be a
witness,
876
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,000
why did they beg me to do it
in the first place?
877
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,440
This incident did not happen,
did it, Holly?
878
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,000
Yeah, it did.
879
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,000
MAGGIE: It was me you trusted.
880
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,600
It was me you poured your heart
out to and I'm sorry.
881
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,840
SARA: You're just going to
carry on doing
882
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,560
what you've been doing for years.
Telling the truth.
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