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(Transcrito por TurboScribe.ai. Atualize para Ilimitado para remover esta mensagem.) There's nothing pure, there's nothing more spiritual to me than children.
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I think it's the most golden thing we have.
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I can be myself and jump into their magical world.
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If you told me right now that you could never see another child, I would kill myself.
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And I swear to you, I would do it.
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Because I have nothing else to live for.
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See the way I feel about Gavin? I multiply that millions of times over.
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And that's why I know this magic of love is so important.
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He is such a beautiful child.
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I told him, I said, you look just like an angel.
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Michael said, Gavin, when you get out of the hospital,
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you come to Neverland Ranch and I will heal you.
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And then the Martin Bashir documentary caused a worldwide commotion.
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And then he finally said, okay, if you love me, you sleep on the bed.
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I was like, oh man. And so I finally slept on the bed.
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You gotta give the devil his due. Martin Bashir did an incredible job.
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Did that lead to the trial? You bet.
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People just can't stop talking about the interview with Michael Jackson,
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a British documentary which aired in the U.S. last night.
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The man is 44 years old.
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What in the hell is he doing sleeping in the bed with kids who are not his,
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who are not related?
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The Martin Bashir documentary drops.
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And it's like the pedophile heard around the world.
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For Michael Jackson, this was a nuclear bomb.
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Why can't you share your bed?
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The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone.
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You know? You really think that? Yeah.
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The media painted Michael to be a child molester.
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And they replayed that Bashir clip probably one billion times.
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Why are you holding the hand of a 13-year-old kid?
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You know that if it were any of us and we were engaging in that kind of behavior,
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the cops would be all over us.
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You would be cringing.
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You would be cringing if your client got on national TV
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and said words to the effect that he'd hosted sleepover parties for small boys.
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The media certainly felt that Michael was fair game to go after anything and everything.
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He hated it.
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The press, they wait with knives.
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Because I was the pioneer.
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And that's why they start the story.
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He's weird. He's gay.
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Anything to turn people against me.
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They tried their hardest.
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It's a frenzy.
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My phone doesn't stop ringing with press people.
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They want to talk. You know, everybody wants to get a story going.
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I even get a phone call from a tabloid
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offering an incredible amount of money just to talk dirt.
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It's a PR meltdown.
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There is tremendous pressure to get it all under control.
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Michael, great entertainer.
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Big celebrity status.
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But he has a habit of tripping.
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So when this Beshear interview was released in the United States,
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I get a call from my friend Frank,
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who's Michael Jackson's PR manager.
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He's like, come out to L.A.
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and come out and work on this.
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This damage control which is occurring right now.
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Frank was very close to Michael.
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I asked him, you know, before I leave and I take this job,
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has Michael ever harmed a child?
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And he says, Vin, you know me.
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I am the closest person to him.
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And he said, never would happen.
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So I trusted Frank and I made a decision to take the job.
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The best thing that we could do to defend Michael Jackson
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was to film our own documentary
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to get a really good rebuttal to who Michael was
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and that he's a good person.
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Michael Jackson take two is going to air on Fox February 20th.
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So then what do you think about Michael's version of this show
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that's going to come out?
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Positive spin. I mean, it'll help him.
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It'll help him, but he said what he said.
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For about a week to a week and a half,
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I was trying to line up all the press around the documentary.
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The participation of the boy in the documentary,
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Gavin DeViso, is a key element in how it's all going to work.
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So the idea is we're going to capture an interview
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with the Arvizo family to show that there hadn't been
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improper contact or conduct between Michael Jackson and Gavin.
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It was essentially to get this interview done
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before the tabloids get a hold of this family
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My first task dealing with the Arvizo family
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was to go pick up the mother, Janet Arvizo,
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and bring her to Michael's videographer.
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She was very upset.
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She was complaining about the family
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and all their dreams are shattered now because of this.
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We started pretty late in the evening.
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I talked the family through what we're going to be talking about,
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basically just giving them a rundown
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that this is a total fluff interview,
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but we want you to be honest.
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The family is supposedly totally on board,
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but the mom won't start the interview
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because I need signed model releases
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before we can do the interview.
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But she didn't want to sign the model releases.
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Why don't you sign a model release?
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Money.
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So is she worried that she's not going to get a piece of this
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if we sell this footage?
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And then suddenly she's on the phone with lawyers.
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At some point, someone tells Janet
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that it's okay for us to sign the model releases
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and to film the interview.
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Wait, wait. You know how Bashir...
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Hey, you know how Bashir zoomed in on him holding hands?
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Do that, the same thing.
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Because that's what a mother does with a son
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or a father does with a son, you know?
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And they try to make it out to be something wrong and dirty.
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So you can have that.
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When I first met Michael,
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all I thought was he was a loving, kind, humble man.
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And all he wanted to do was good.
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As I'm doing an interview,
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I really do feel like Gavin is very sincere.
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He treats me like he's my father.
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He gives Gavin advice.
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And Michael is exactly an answered prayer
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to my children and me.
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Michael is there for us,
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there for all three of them.
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Janet's just over the top.
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I dislike her immediately.
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Every door closed on us.
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And Michael said, all my doors are open.
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My home is your home and your children.
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I am like their father.
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And his interactions with my children were all innocent,
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as a father interacts with his children.
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Where she really loses my credibility
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is just how she suddenly adopted this idea
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that Michael is their real father.
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Either this mom is completely in love with Michael Jackson,
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or she's driven by the world of Michael Jackson possibilities.
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It disturbed me greatly when I saw them
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and the innuendos he was making.
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They took a beautiful relationship,
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relationship that he has with Gavin,
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and spun it out of control.
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We completed the interview.
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But then the director of photography
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would not give me the footage.
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This interview was obviously very important.
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And he wanted Michael to pay him.
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So, unfortunately, it never went into the Fox special.
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It wasn't a good situation
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with tabloids hovering around everybody at the time.
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I had a strong feeling that I didn't trust Janet.
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So I am absolutely worried
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that this is the type of person who might take money
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to say, Michael Jackson blessed my kid.
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Because there's a lot of money in that.
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I have very few friends.
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And the friends that are family to me
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are because they have exhibited honesty,
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trustworthiness, love.
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This video, I've never seen it.
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I don't know how you guys got all this.
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And that is why we are very thankful
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and appreciate that Michael calls us family
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because he exhibits all that.
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And he gives these boys much direction
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because 12 and 13, they need a whole bunch of it.
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So what you're seeing in Janet here,
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she just truly wants this all to be true.
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Because this is just a godsend
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that there would be a male influence in her children's life
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who was kind and caring.
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She says things very dramatically,
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but Janet really feels what she's saying.
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I know her. That's what she feels.
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You know, she had been going through a lot of stuff.
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She was getting a divorce.
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Gavin's father had been abusive to her and the kids.
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So at this point,
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the idea that somebody this important
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would value her children and parent them,
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that was meaningful to her,
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like extraordinarily meaningful to her at the time.
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She craved it.
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After the Martin Bashir documentary aired,
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I became concerned.
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I start calling.
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Their numbers are disconnected.
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I didn't know where she was.
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Clearly, they were at the center of a hurricane.
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Anybody that had any kind of show
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would have wanted to talk to this family.
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Michael Jackson's team would have wanted to keep them contained.
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Okay, everybody, that two-hour documentary
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on living with Michael Jackson is still making news.
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Michael Jackson's image has taken a brutal beating
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over the past few months, as you know.
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Among the madness of Bashir,
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I get a phone call,
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hey, we're going to go to Gary, Indiana
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and visit Michael's child at home.
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Any kind of distraction.
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Give them some new Michael Jackson stuff that was positive.
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I would like to officially,
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on behalf of the men and the women
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and the young people of the city of Gary,
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welcome back home Mr. Michael Jackson.
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I am the biggest fan.
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Well, probably not the biggest
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because there's a lot of them here,
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but I just love Michael Jackson.
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Just his persona, he loves children.
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I just, in a good way, he loves children.
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He, uh, listen, he a role model.
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And I love him.
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I originally thought we were going
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because he wanted to visit his hometown.
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But as it turns out,
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it was to capture footage of Michael's humble beginnings
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because that was what the narrative was going to be.
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It was like going to be the sickly sweet,
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you know, you know, here comes the king,
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you know, like wah, wah.
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The management of Michael's image,
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that's the number one thing.
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When you saw Michael's childhood home,
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it was pretty rough.
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You know, we're talking a two,
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a small two room home where 10 or 11 people lived.
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Michael grew up in abject poverty,
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certainly in an age of discrimination.
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Opportunities for black men and black families especially
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was, were, were very limited.
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But the one thing that really affected him
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was his relationship with his father.
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Father, he did some rough, cruel,
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the way he would beat you.
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He would make you strip nude first.
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So when, when the foot of the, um,
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of the ironing court hit you,
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it would just, you know, fall on your face, your back.
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Everywhere.
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He would tell us,
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don't call me dad.
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I'm Joseph.
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I never felt love from him.
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All I want is his, is his love, his approval.
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I think the broken relationship
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between father and son was monumental.
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They were really like two Michael Jacksons.
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One needed love and validation,
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the other needed attention and celebrity.
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I proudly present to you Mr. Michael Jackson.
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Everything is already geared up like a machine.
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All this love.
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It's all orchestrated to get support from the fans,
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you know, because they would defend him no matter what.
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The Gary Community School Corporation
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welcomes home the king of pop, Michael Jackson.
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The intrigue surrounding Michael Jackson
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it continues tonight.
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Would you let your son or daughter
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stay over at Neverland?
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No, and I can't understand why these other boys' parents
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allowed them to either.
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I believe that Child Welfare Services
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should interview every child that has been at Neverland
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with Mr. Jackson in his bedroom.
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The tabloids are still foaming at the mouth.
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And there was a sense that
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you want to keep Janet Arvizo,
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who seems like a bit of a live wire,
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as far away from tabloids and people with checks
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as possible.
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The Arvizo family is surrounded by handlers.
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They're getting carted around
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by people inside the Jackson team.
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And there is a controlled element of
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making sure they don't talk to people
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that they shouldn't be talking to.
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I would bring Janet and the kids
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back and forth between the Neverland Ranch and L.A.
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I was told to spend my time
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with assisting Janet Arvizo,
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whatever needed to get done.
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I drove her all over the place.
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The Arvizos are okay with it at first,
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but slowly they start to, you know,
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become resentful of being controlled.
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No, no, no, you don't go get your groceries.
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We'll do it with you.
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And then I was told that Vinny
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was going to help them move.
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And I go, why?
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Do they want to move?
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Well, we need a better location.
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We? Who's we?
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You know, so this is, this is curious language.
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The Arvizo family were getting
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a lot of pressure from the press.
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And there was a need for a place
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where they can stay with their kids.
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Where they can feel safe.
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There was also a lot of talk
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about taking the family on a vacation.
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Vinny was running around getting passport photos.
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And I thought that was probably
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a really smart idea as well.
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And to make sure that this family
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is off in Mars,
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as far away from the press
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and the tabloids as possible.
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I'm being asked,
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wouldn't you like to let go to Brazil?
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I'm like, no.
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Why is the family being coaxed
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to go to Brazil?
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There is this plan that's going on,
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but who's the guy behind the curtain
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in The Wizard of Oz?
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Nothing's going to get done
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without Michael's approval.
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He knows what's going on.
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One day,
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I get a frantic phone call from Janet
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who is being kept somewhere
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and whispering.
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She was panicky
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and she wants me to come to where she is
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and get her and the kids
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and bring them back to my house.
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She sounded desperate
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and I felt her panic
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for her own children.
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She felt they were keeping her family
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at Neverland
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and that they were going to send them to Brazil
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and make the family disappear.
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And it's not like you can call the police
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and say,
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you know,
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I think there's a family
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being held against their will
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by Michael Jackson.
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I don't know there's,
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that's a 911 call
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that's going to be put through.
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I had extended to her,
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you know, call me in 24 hours
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and then I would have
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better resources in place.
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And she never called.
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When I became involved
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with Janet
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and her family,
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they were allowed to go
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anywhere they wanted
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and I would take them
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wherever they wanted.
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One day she said,
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please bring my children
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down to their grandparents' house.
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My mother is sick.
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I didn't think anything of it.
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After that day,
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we hadn't heard from them.
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They were done with us
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and we were finished
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working with them
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and that was it.
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They were going to leave
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anywhere, any time,
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any day.
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When I finally heard
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from Janet,
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she told me about the danger
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that she felt
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had been visited
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upon her family.
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They had been kept at Neverland
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for three weeks or so
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and when Janet got her kids home,
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they were not behaving normally.
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Janet spoke to
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her lawyer.
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He heard enough
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and saw these boys
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and thought,
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I don't like the way
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this is sounding at all.
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I told Michael,
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don't work with kids,
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work with their parents.
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It's their parents
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who are supposed to be
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leading them.
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You're not the child's Messiah.
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I always feel that
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I don't want the parents
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to get jealous
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because it happens sometimes
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and I always say,
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I'm not trying to take your place.
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I'm just trying to help
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and I want to be a friend
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and the kids end up
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just falling in love
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with my personality.
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Sometimes it gets me
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into trouble.
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In 2003,
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I was a senior prosecutor
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in the district attorney's office.
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I was the supervisor
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of a two-page report
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and I'm looking at it
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and it seems to be
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kind of the ordinary preamble
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that you see in these investigations
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and I don't understand
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why I'm sitting there
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looking at this thing.
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It's like dozens of other cases
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I've looked at.
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And then I look at the top
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that has the name.
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I never went to the name
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and the name was
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Michael Joe Jackson.
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Gavin,
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can you tell us
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what your conversations,
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what you guys talked about?
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He says that,
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I know you're stressed out
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about all the stuff
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that's going on
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so I have something
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that can relax you.
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He said,
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drink it.
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And I said,
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what's that?
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And he said,
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it's drinking
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so I drank it.
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I didn't like the taste
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and I asked him,
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what is it?
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And he said,
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it's wine.
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Just keep drinking it.
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Okay, don't drink it.
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And my head started hurting
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and stuff.
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I fell.
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Gavin talking about
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alcohol use
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and, if you will,
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demeanor of somebody
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that's been abused.
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You know,
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the shying away from the questions,
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not wanting to talk about anything,
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keeping himself closed up
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during the interview.
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He said that
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we boys have to
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masturbate
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because if we don't
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we can go crazy.
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He said that
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he wanted to show me
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how to masturbate.
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Okay.
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I said no.
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And he said,
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he'd do it for me.
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Okay.
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And did he do it for you?
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Go ahead, Gavin,
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it's fine.
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He put his hand in my pants.
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Did he put it on the outside?
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Inside.
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Inside?
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And what did he do next?
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He started masturbating me.
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And
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after a while,
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I told him I didn't want to do it.
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Did he stop?
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He told me he kept on doing it.
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Having to publicly talk about
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sexual abuse
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is not an easy thing.
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But he was courageous.
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I had complete faith
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in everything Gavin was saying.
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And I,
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there was never a question in my mind
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as to the honesty
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of his statements.
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Never.
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But I knew we were going after
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an international superstar.
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And that changes the equation.
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That was the part that was
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the unknown for all of us.
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Romance.
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Is love and romance
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two different things?
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I'm in love with
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innocence.
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That's what I'm in love with.
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And that's why I love children so much.
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I can relate to them easier.
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Much easier.
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You just
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play.
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Just love and innocence
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and to find true happiness
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and magic, you know?
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There are surprising developments
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at the home of Michael Jackson.
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Authorities are serving
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a secret search warrant
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at his ranch
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near Santa Barbara, California.
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Although there is no official word
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as to the nature of the warrant,
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a number of news outlets
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are reporting that the search
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is tied to allegations
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from a 12-year-old boy
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that he was molested by Jackson.
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I was watching CNN
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and I saw all of these police
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entering the gates of Neverland.
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Investigators have swarmed
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Jackson's Neverland ranch.
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Target Neverland is underway.
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I picked up the phone
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and I said, Mr. Jackson,
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are you okay?
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And he says, yeah, why?
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I said, they're raiding Neverland.
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He says, what?
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I said, turn on CNN.
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You'll see it there.
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It's live.
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They're raiding Neverland.
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Michael was really shocked
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00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,960
and I'd never seen
557
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,700
anything like it.
558
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,760
I mean, the gate of Neverland
559
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,220
is a good mile from the house
560
00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:16,340
and here's this string of cars
561
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:18,520
and suddenly it's just abuse.
562
00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:20,340
It's harassment.
563
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:22,820
The media has set up camp out here.
564
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,420
We're told as many as 60 investigators
565
00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:26,640
are inside at this point
566
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,720
searching the ranch.
567
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,120
It was a very large operation.
568
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:35,300
I was a newly promoted detective.
569
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,660
I was a big Michael Jackson fan
570
00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:39,500
as a teenager.
571
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:42,240
When Michael Jackson
572
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,520
would come out to perform,
573
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,300
you can imagine teenage girls
574
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:47,700
screaming at the top of their lungs.
575
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,540
That's what we were doing.
576
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,660
When I was told about the allegations
577
00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:53,740
against Michael Jackson,
578
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:55,240
I was kind of surprised.
579
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800
I was assigned to search
580
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,300
the main residence.
581
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:02,220
Hi.
582
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,060
How you doing?
583
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:04,940
Sheriff's Department.
584
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:05,720
We have a search warrant.
585
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:11,520
To me, Michael Jackson
586
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,540
was just another celebrity.
587
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,600
When you're dealing with celebrities,
588
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,600
you have accusations that are made
589
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,300
and you have to take those accusations
590
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:20,240
with a grain of salt.
591
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,020
You have to do your investigation.
592
00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:28,490
Whose office is this?
593
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:30,350
That's his office.
594
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:31,830
This is Michael's?
595
00:27:33,290 --> 00:27:35,190
Does he have anything else?
596
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:36,810
Michael Jackson's mansion
597
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:39,490
was like no other house
598
00:27:39,490 --> 00:27:41,110
I've ever seen.
599
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:45,290
There was just so much stuff everywhere.
600
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:48,070
This is the area right here.
601
00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:49,690
This is the way we have to go.
602
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:51,490
This is where we get in.
603
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:52,990
And that is...
604
00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:58,110
My assignment was going to be
605
00:27:58,110 --> 00:28:00,030
going into Michael Jackson's bedroom.
606
00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:02,510
Somebody said now he's moved upstairs
607
00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:03,850
rather than down here.
608
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:05,590
So we're also going to have to check up on that.
609
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:07,190
Let's just secure everything right now.
610
00:28:07,530 --> 00:28:09,990
Gavin had disclosed
611
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:11,830
that there would be a briefcase
612
00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:14,630
with pornographic magazines
613
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:17,670
that were used by Michael
614
00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:19,070
to provoke an arousal.
615
00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:21,850
Those items we refer to
616
00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:22,710
as grooming materials.
617
00:28:28,550 --> 00:28:30,730
My job was to do the library.
618
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:33,670
First thing that caught my attention,
619
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:34,950
it was all cluttered.
620
00:28:35,050 --> 00:28:37,770
Boxes of books on the floor.
621
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:40,310
The books I remember seizing
622
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:42,490
were books of children
623
00:28:42,490 --> 00:28:43,590
posing in their underwear.
624
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:45,250
In and of themselves,
625
00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:47,370
they're not child pornography.
626
00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:49,350
They weren't posing together
627
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:50,490
in sexual acts
628
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:52,090
or anything like that.
629
00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:54,110
But based on the investigations
630
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:55,170
I'd done in the past,
631
00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:56,810
to me those were grooming books.
632
00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:59,330
We'd found books like that
633
00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:00,710
in other situations.
634
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:05,510
We also found
635
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:09,590
a pair of underwear briefs
636
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:10,570
stuffed in a box.
637
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:12,210
They were
638
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:14,970
either very small adults
639
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:15,850
or children's briefs.
640
00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:20,250
We asked the housekeeper
641
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:21,190
where's the bedroom.
642
00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:22,870
That's when we were told
643
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:24,070
no one was permitted
644
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:24,890
into his bedroom
645
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:27,330
and nobody had a key
646
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,030
for his bedroom.
647
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,140
We were able to make entry.
648
00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:42,240
And when we walked in,
649
00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:44,280
it was a mess.
650
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:45,780
Papers,
651
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:46,980
clothes
652
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,300
covering the whole floor.
653
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,500
I found some
654
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,520
pepperoni sausages
655
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,520
that were just thrown in there.
656
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,500
I remember thinking,
657
00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:58,960
oh my gosh, this?
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