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Support your local PBS station.
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Have you ever wanted to know
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what your dog is thinking?
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Water.
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Now some dog owners say
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{\an8}they do know.
Walk.
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Thanks to buttons that seem
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{\an8}to give dogs
the ability to talk.
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Snuffle mat.
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{\an8}It's, like,
how is this even possible?
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Come outside.
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Some dogs are saying so much
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{\an8}that scientists have decided
to study them.
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{\an8}Button.
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Treat.
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{\an8}Yeah, so good--
go get it.
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{\an8}We need to look into this.
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They've set up the largest
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{\an8}animal communication study
in history...
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Play, play, play.
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...with thousands of dogs
from around the world.
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Later.
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{\an8}Come. Come.
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{\an8}Play. Play. Play.
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What we want to see is,
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where can we take this
and how far can dogs go?
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Dog on site!
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We know we can train dogs
to do incredible things.
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But could we really teach them
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to speak our language?
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Snug, snuggle.
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You want a snuggle?
Come here.
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She knows what she's saying.
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She's communicating with me.
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Treat. Fridge.
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{\an8}Treat. Treat. Treat.
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I know what dogs are capable of
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in terms of
their linguistic ability.
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But I think that people
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read a little bit too far
into things.
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Hungry.
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So, what's really going on here?
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Outside.
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Are they just pushing
our buttons?
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I love you.
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Or can dogs talk?
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Food.
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Right now, on "NOVA."
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This is Stella,
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an Australian cattle dog/
Catahoula mix.
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It's late,
but Stella isn't ready for bed.
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Yes.
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Park.
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Want.
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Stella appears to be talking.
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You want to go to the park?
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It's a little late
to go to the park.
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This video has been
sped up a little,
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but nothing has been edited in
or out.
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Do you want to go for a walk
instead?
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Yes.
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Want.
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Outside.
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Okay, we'll go for a walk.
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Let's get your leash on.
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Leash.
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On.
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Stella has been taught
to use word buttons.
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Walk.
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Her owner, Christina Hunger,
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{\an8}can record different words
on each of the buttons.
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Stella.
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Stella is the world's first
talking dog.
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It's a big claim.
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So what makes Christina think
it's true?
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Christina.
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Christina worked
as a speech therapist
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and used communication devices
with children
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who struggled to speak.
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What?
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It was my job
as a speech therapist
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to find other ways for kids
to talk
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if they couldn't use
their verbal speech.
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When I first brought
Stella home,
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I had so many observations
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about how well
she was communicating
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with her gestures
and her body language.
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She would whine
to get our attention.
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She would paw at her water dish
when it was empty.
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She would look at me, then look
to an object that she wanted.
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This is all so similar to how
kids start learning language.
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And it got me thinking,
if she's already communicating
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so similarly to kids
right before they start talking,
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what would happen
if she had another way to talk?
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Christina got some buttons
for Stella
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to see what would happen.
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I was pushing the button
as I was saying the word.
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{\an8}Outside?
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And for the first couple
of weeks,
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{\an8}she didn't pay attention
to the buttons at all.
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Even when Stella became
interested in the buttons,
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{\an8}it took a while
before she managed to press one.
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You're so close, Stella.
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But finally, she cracked it.
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{\an8}And the next morning,
Christina caught it on camera.
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Outside!
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Let's go outside!
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I was ecstatic.
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And then when she went outside,
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she went to the bathroom
right away.
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So, to me,
the most important part
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was seeing the communication
intent behind it.
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Outside.
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She was using a word
appropriately and functionally.
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Stella is now six years old.
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{\an8}What do you want, girl?
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And uses far more buttons
than the three she started with.
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On Stella's main board here,
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we have some places
that she likes to go.
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Park.
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And...
Beach.
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The beach.
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Where.
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{\an8}If she wants to know
where we're heading out.
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Happy.
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As Stella started to use
her buttons more,
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Christina began
sharing her videos online.
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We left our apartment one day
and we set up a camera
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just to see, you know, what
she would do while we were gone.
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Where?
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I had never heard her
made a sound like that.
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It was heartbreaking.
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Stella's videos went viral
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{\an8}and have turned her
into a social media phenomenon.
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{\an8}We're joined now
by Christina Hunger,
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{\an8}a speech pathologist
in San Diego,
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owner of the very
clever Stella.
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{\an8}Outside.
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{\an8}And so, Christina,
what does Stella say the most?
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{\an8}She definitely
says "outside" the most.
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{\an8}She absolutely loves
being outside.
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Outside.
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As news of Stella and her word
buttons has spread...
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No, stand up.
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...other so-called talking dogs
have flooded social media
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with their seemingly amazing
feats of communication.
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Mommy.
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These dogs seem to be using
our words.
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Box.
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So is that enough to say
they're talking?
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Paw.
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Do they really understand
what they're saying?
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Walk, walk, walk.
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Or is their button-pushing
just random?
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Love you.
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I love you,
too, Cop.
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I love you, too.
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Federico Rossano is director
of the Comparative Cognition Lab
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at the University of California,
San Diego.
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As dogs using word buttons
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gained a following
on social media,
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Federico was approached
to study them.
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But he was skeptical.
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{\an8}I most certainly did not want
to get involved in it.
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{\an8}I have said no so many times.
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One of the thing
about social media
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is that we try
to portray ourselves
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always happy and excited
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and at the best of our life.
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Let's go!
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And we usually don't post
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all the things that go wrong
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and all the accidents.
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If dog owners only post clips
of their dogs
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pressing word buttons
that seem to make sense
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and ignore
all the random presses,
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it would be
completely misleading.
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The risk of social media,
of course,
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is that because there is,
you know, money coming with it,
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there is attention
coming with it,
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there might be a way
of exploiting social media,
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so creating clips that you think
would attract more attention.
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Treat.
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But despite Federico's concerns
about social media,
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he saw some clips
that stunned him.
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Mad.
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Why are you mad?
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Why mad?
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Ouch.
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Where is your ouch?
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Where ouch?
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Stranger.
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In your ear?
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Where stranger?
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Paw.
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In your paw?
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Let me see your paw.
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Okay, I'm gonna put this down
and check.
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This was the stranger
in her paw.
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She's got a mat
between her-- ow!-- toes.
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It looked as if they were having
a conversation.
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And I was, like,
wow, if that is possible,
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where, like, a human can talk
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and the animal can just
respond with the buttons,
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that would be amazing.
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What we want is
to look at these anecdotes
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and think,
is this even possible?
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And if it has not been trained
extensively,
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if it seems to be spontaneous,
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then the next question is,
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can we elicit it
in a more systematic way?
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{\an8}Okay.
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{\an8}Pour it, pour it there?
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The trouble is,
past efforts to teach animals
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{\an8}to use our language have been
incredibly controversial.
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{\an8}Which color?
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{\an8}That one?
The blue one.
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{\an8}The way it was done
was basically,
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a researcher would get
one animal,
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and then train this animal
to learn,
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for example, sign language,
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or to learn how to use
other devices.
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Sometimes it looked like
something extraordinary,
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but if you only have one animal,
it's very hard to tell
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how that came about
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or what that really means
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from the perspective
of cognition
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and what that means about how
they're thinking.
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After several studies,
focused on one or two animals
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taken out
of their natural habitats,
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and with concern
about researchers
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over-interpreting results,
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the entire field of research
was called into question.
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Eat. Eat.
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{\an8}
So when the button dogs
emerged on social media,
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{\an8}many of Federico's colleagues
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{\an8}thought he'd be unwise
to get involved.
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I had scientists calling me
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at the beginning of this study,
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saying, "Do you know what
you're getting yourself into?
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You might actually lose your job
because of what you're doing."
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But this time,
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Federico realized
that instead of all the research
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being based on one or two
highly trained subjects...
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Ball.
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...there was a huge pool
of button-pressing dogs.
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So he decided to study them.
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What happens if you start
tracking thousands of animals
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at the same time?
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He asked Amalia Bastos,
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a researcher
in animal cognition,
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to join him.
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Where can we take this
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and how far can dogs go?
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We need to actually
test things out empirically
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to find out what's going on.
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Federico and Amalia have been
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recruiting participants
from around the world.
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WOMAN
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While early contributors
in the study
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used simple spreadsheets to log
their dogs' button presses,
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many owners are now
using buttons
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{\an8}that automatically record which
words are pressed and when.
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{\an8}Working.
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{\an8}Every time a button
is pressed...
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{\an8}Snuggle.
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{\an8}...that goes straight
into the app,
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{\an8}and then we can download
through the app
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the kind of data
that has been collected.
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And what we ask you to do
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is to basically tell us,
was it you
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or was the dog?
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As of now, I think we have
approximately
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6,500 people using the app.
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Play.
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We know that some dogs seem
to make sense some of the time
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with their button presses.
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But the data that Federico
is collecting
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{\an8}will help his team...
Outside.
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{\an8}...understand
the bigger picture:
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do the thousands of dogs
taking part
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know what they're doing
with buttons?
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Or is most of it just random?
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Later.
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First, Federico needs to check
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that the dogs
actually understand
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the words on the buttons
when they hear them.
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Good boy.
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His colleague Amalia
has visited several dogs
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with a team of researchers
to conduct an experiment.
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This is a clip from our first
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experimental study.
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This is Mokai.
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You're so calm, hm?
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Federico and Amalia
need to test whether a word
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generated by a button
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means the same thing to a dog
as when that same word
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is spoken by a person.
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{\an8}Who's having some
water?
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Because when we say words,
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we add all sorts
of extra details:
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pitch, tone, body language.
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{\an8}You are the
messiest drinker.
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But a word from a button
is the same every time.
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The first study had to be:
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do the dogs that are trained
with these buttons
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understand the meaning
of the words
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that are associated with it?
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And can we show
that they would respond
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not just to their owners,
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but they will respond to others
pushing those buttons?
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All right.
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This is Kai,
trial number four.
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The experimenter is wearing
headphones,
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so that she could not hear
the word that is produced
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once you push that button.
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And the instruction
that she has in this case
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will be something like,
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{\an8}push the red button.
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{\an8}
Play.
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{\an8}The research team
wore headphones
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{\an8}and owners were blindfolded,
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{\an8}to make sure neither
could inadvertently give clues
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{\an8}about which button
had been pressed.
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{\an8}
And then you see the dog goes
straight for the toy basket,
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{\an8}retrieves the ball,
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{\an8}like, "Let's play."
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{\an8}And so it's
contextually appropriate
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{\an8}with respect to what button
had just been pressed.
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{\an8}
It's the simplest possible test.
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58 other dogs were also tested.
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Chrissy!
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Chris!
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Outside.
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And the results showed that the
dogs responded appropriately
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to the "play" and "outside"
buttons...
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Outside.
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...with no other cues,
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just as they'd respond
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{\an8}to those words spoken directly
by a human.
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{\an8}Play.
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{\an8}
That was critical for us,
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{\an8}because if they did not
understand
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{\an8}the meaning of words...
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{\an8}Play.
...if they did not
respond in a way
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that would suggest
they understand it,
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then there's no point in moving
forward with any other research.
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The dogs didn't react
appropriately
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to hearing a "food" button.
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Scout!
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But it's clear that they can
respond to at least
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some of their buttons
in a useful, communicative way.
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Play.
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But that doesn't tell us
whether they could use them
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correctly themselves.
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We know that dogs can respond
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appropriately to words,
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but that could just be
conditioning,
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that could just be training.
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So whether or not
they understand
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what the word itself means
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is much harder to test.
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Arik Kershenbaum studies
animal communication
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at the University of Cambridge
in England.
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So this ability to hear
the word "sit,"
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and to know that if they sit,
they will get a reward,
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is a very, very powerful
mechanism.
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But just because an animal
responds correctly
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to a particular command
that is given in language
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doesn't mean that they
understand the language of it.
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{\an8}
Whether they're responding
to commands
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{\an8}or pushing buttons themselves,
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{\an8}the point is,
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it's incredibly hard to know
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how much dogs actually
understand
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{\an8}the words they're hearing
or using.
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{\an8}Good boy-- you gonna try not
to bark at stuff today? Yeah?
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{\an8}Can you go to bed?
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{\an8}This is Rohan.
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{\an8}Yeah, good boy.
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{\an8}Amalia's 23-month-old
Australian shepherd.
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{\an8}Ready?
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{\an8}Break.
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{\an8}Button.
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{\an8}
Treat.
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{\an8}Yeah, so good,
go get it.
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{\an8}
Thanks.
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{\an8}
Love you.
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Good boy.
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Go to bed.
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So what we saw looked
like a conversation,
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{\an8}where the dog understood
what it was saying,
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{\an8}and we had a back-and-forth.
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{\an8}In actual fact, these were
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trained interactions,
where the dog
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was actually just trained
to press the buttons as a trick.
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Button.
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Treat. Treat.
That's the one.
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He doesn't actually know
what that button means.
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Button.
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It could have had a bird chirp
or it could have had,
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you know, siren sound.
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It could have been
literally anything,
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and he would have performed the
behavior exactly the same way.
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{\an8}Love you,
thanks, love you, love you.
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{\an8}
You know, the fact
that they're
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human-language words
is completely arbitrary.
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Love you. Thanks.
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It's just associative learning.
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Rohan has learned
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to associate an action,
like pressing a button,
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with an outcome,
like getting a treat.
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Treat. Treat. Treat.
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That's so good,
I know.
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He likes treats, so he keeps
pressing the buttons.
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It's known as
"associative learning"
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or "conditioning."
Button.
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Treat.
Yes.
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But it doesn't mean he knows
what the words
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"treat" or "thanks"
or "love you"
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actually mean.
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Everything in life starts
through associative learning,
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and actually, humans learn
through associative learning.
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Good boy.
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Associative learning is common
to pretty much all animals.
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Break.
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And it doesn't require
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any sort of complex cognition
that we should be impressed by.
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Treat.
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You could easily teach a mouse
to press buttons.
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Okay, you got that one--
button.
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And that's the big problem.
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Just because they can
press buttons that say words
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doesn't necessarily mean
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the dogs have
any real understanding
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of what those words mean.
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Perhaps they just enjoy
the reward they get,
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whether that's a treat
or just some attention.
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Good boy.
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Down.
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So could dogs learn to use
different buttons
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to get different things?
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Could they choose which ones
to press
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because of the specific words
attached to them?
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It's something Federico
is finally starting to answer.
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He's gathered data
on the word buttons being used
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by an astonishing 10,000 dogs
in almost 50 countries.
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It's the largest animal
communication study in history.
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Just to give you an example,
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in the last three months,
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we have received
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more than one million
button presses
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from dogs in our pool.
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{\an8}
All done.
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All that data can help to show
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whether dog button use
is random or intentional.
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{\an8}
I love you.
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{\an8}Look.
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In principle,
the dog could just be spamming
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the, the soundboard,
just coming there,
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touching buttons randomly.
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Love you. Treat.
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And if it's random,
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we should stop
doing this research, right?
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Why are you do, looking
into something
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that's completely random?
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And what if the dogs
are just pressing buttons
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that are easy to reach?
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{\an8}
What can happen, of course,
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{\an8}is that the dog might just
end up pushing, for example,
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{\an8}these two buttons
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{\an8}that are close
to each other
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just because they are adjacent
to each other
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and it's just easy for them.
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And so, it is very important
for us to know
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not just which buttons
they have, participants have,
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but also how they're laid out,
so that we can, for example,
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run analysis to see
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the dogs seem to be actually
doing something intentionally.
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Federico's analysis of over
ten million button presses
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by thousands of dogs
over almost two years
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shows that these
are the most popular words.
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Of course, all the words
on soundboards
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are initially put there
by humans.
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But these are the ones
that the dogs are pressing most.
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And among these words,
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Federico has found that
some are much more popular.
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The dogs are choosing to press
them more than others.
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So here, the size of the word
is representative of the number
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of presses
across the population.
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And "play," "outside," "food"
are the buttons that the dogs
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tend to press the most,
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which is very much in line
with being a dog.
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You can also see "water,"
"potty," "treat," "all done."
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They don't use a lot,
other words that might not be
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quite in line
with what we expect,
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like "training" or
"mad or "friend."
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The fact that some words
are used more than others...
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Bed.
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...shows that
across the population,
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the button use isn't random.
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Help.
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If it was random, you would
just have all the buttons
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that you have on the soundboard
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have an equal probability
of being pressed.
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So across the data set,
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dogs definitely show preference
for certain words.
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Outside.
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Seemingly, things they want:
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to go outside, to get food,
to play.
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But should we be impressed
or surprised by that?
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We know a lot of animal
communication is asking others,
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can be humans or non-humans,
to do things for them.
515
00:22:33,553 --> 00:22:35,520
In principle,
there is no difference
516
00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:38,423
between pushing the buttons
and saying, "Outside,"
517
00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:41,093
and trying to tell you
by scratching on the door
518
00:22:41,094 --> 00:22:42,794
that they want to go outside.
519
00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:44,396
It's another way
of communicating.
520
00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:47,399
So could dogs actually
use buttons in a way
521
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,102
{\an8}that goes beyond what
they can already communicate?
522
00:22:50,103 --> 00:22:51,570
{\an8}
Outside.
523
00:22:51,571 --> 00:22:54,873
Could they start
to use language?
524
00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:56,308
All animals communicate.
525
00:22:56,309 --> 00:22:57,976
All animals communicate
526
00:22:57,977 --> 00:22:59,945
and can understand
communication,
527
00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:02,314
but not all communication
is language.
528
00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:07,452
Humans communicate
using language.
529
00:23:07,453 --> 00:23:09,554
Obviously,
this is our big difference
530
00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:12,357
from all other animals.
531
00:23:12,358 --> 00:23:14,159
My definition of language,
532
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,763
just a simple rule of thumb
that seems to work really well,
533
00:23:17,764 --> 00:23:19,865
is, language is the ability
or at least the potential
534
00:23:19,866 --> 00:23:23,468
to convey an unlimited number
of concepts.
535
00:23:23,469 --> 00:23:25,237
Doesn't matter how you do it,
536
00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:27,672
but what makes humans special
537
00:23:27,673 --> 00:23:29,875
is that we can communicate
to each other
538
00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:31,877
anything, any concept.
539
00:23:31,878 --> 00:23:34,246
There's no end to the books
that will ever be written
540
00:23:34,247 --> 00:23:36,414
or the ideas that we can convey,
541
00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:39,584
and no animals that we know of
can do that.
542
00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:42,687
No one believes dogs
could communicate
543
00:23:42,688 --> 00:23:46,091
absolutely any concept to us
using words.
544
00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:49,127
But how far could they go
on the spectrum
545
00:23:49,128 --> 00:23:52,531
between communication
and language?
546
00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:54,900
I think really, communication
becomes language
547
00:23:54,901 --> 00:23:58,170
when you cross that boundary
from a signal
548
00:23:58,171 --> 00:24:00,872
that manipulates
other individuals
549
00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:06,812
to a system by which information
is exchanged between individuals
550
00:24:06,813 --> 00:24:11,116
who understand
that their conversation partner
551
00:24:11,117 --> 00:24:13,886
is also participating
in that conversation.
552
00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:18,590
Could dogs use words to do more
than what they already do
553
00:24:18,591 --> 00:24:21,359
with body language
and vocalizations?
554
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:25,630
Could they communicate about
more than just what they want?
555
00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:30,235
The thing is, dogs could be
uniquely positioned
556
00:24:30,236 --> 00:24:32,871
to learn our language
because of how they evolved.
557
00:24:40,947 --> 00:24:44,482
All dogs evolved from wolves,
their wild ancestors.
558
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:46,918
More than 10,000 years ago,
559
00:24:46,919 --> 00:24:52,057
some wolves were taken in
by humans and domesticated.
560
00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:55,861
Over generations spent
living with and around us,
561
00:24:55,862 --> 00:25:00,432
they evolved in different ways,
according to how we bred them.
562
00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:04,970
We selected traits
that we valued,
563
00:25:04,971 --> 00:25:08,673
leading to breeds
that were smaller and cuter,
564
00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:11,509
or faster and slimmer,
565
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:14,946
or bigger and stronger.
566
00:25:14,947 --> 00:25:17,082
And of course, over time,
we favored dogs
567
00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:20,385
that could communicate well
with us.
568
00:25:20,386 --> 00:25:22,120
Dogs that were good
at understanding
569
00:25:22,121 --> 00:25:26,191
what we're trying to say.
570
00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:28,393
There does seem to be something
very special
571
00:25:28,394 --> 00:25:32,364
about what happened during that
domestication process
572
00:25:32,365 --> 00:25:35,333
that led dogs to be excellent
understanders of humans,
573
00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:38,838
and humans to be excellent
understanders of dogs, as well.
574
00:25:45,411 --> 00:25:48,280
That communication
between humans and dogs
575
00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:49,314
can be so clear...
576
00:25:50,783 --> 00:25:52,751
...that we can form
incredibly constructive
577
00:25:52,752 --> 00:25:55,453
working relationships with them.
578
00:25:58,291 --> 00:26:00,125
Yeah!
579
00:26:00,126 --> 00:26:02,894
Amritha Mallikarjun works at
580
00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:06,598
the University of Pennsylvania's
Working Dog Center.
581
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:12,671
I think the human-dog
relationship is so special.
582
00:26:12,672 --> 00:26:13,838
The way that we
583
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:16,875
work together as human-dog teams
584
00:26:16,876 --> 00:26:20,578
is just unlike any other
585
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,747
relationship that you have.
586
00:26:22,748 --> 00:26:26,284
Amritha and her colleague
Emma Gaalaas Mullaney
587
00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:28,219
help the dogs here to go on
588
00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:30,689
to careers in search and rescue.
589
00:26:30,690 --> 00:26:32,958
It's all about training,
590
00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:36,628
and training is all
about communication.
591
00:26:36,629 --> 00:26:39,764
Dog on site!
592
00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:41,299
Come on, go find.
593
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,168
{\an8}
Today, they're working
with Andy,
594
00:26:43,169 --> 00:26:46,204
{\an8}an 11-month-old black Labrador,
595
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:48,206
who has to find someone
hidden in the rubble.
596
00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:51,309
Andy, turn! Good boy!
597
00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:52,544
Go find!
598
00:26:52,545 --> 00:26:54,646
Because there are always people
599
00:26:54,647 --> 00:26:56,414
standing around
on the rubble pile,
600
00:26:56,415 --> 00:26:58,616
he knows not to find
the people that he can see,
601
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,519
but to find hidden people, specifically.
602
00:27:06,993 --> 00:27:09,427
When Andy finds his target,
603
00:27:09,428 --> 00:27:11,363
he starts barking,
604
00:27:11,364 --> 00:27:13,431
and he won't stop
until his team knows
605
00:27:13,432 --> 00:27:17,135
what he's done.
606
00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:19,938
Yes!
607
00:27:19,939 --> 00:27:22,073
What a good boy!
608
00:27:22,074 --> 00:27:25,310
That was so good, yeah, yeah!
Whoo-hoo!
609
00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:28,480
There is a remarkable array
of skills on display.
610
00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:30,215
Good job, buddy!
611
00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:32,417
{\an8}
But they are only helpful
to the team
612
00:27:32,418 --> 00:27:36,054
{\an8}because Andy has learned
what's expected of him.
613
00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:39,257
{\an8}These dogs could not do
the work they do
614
00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:43,195
{\an8}if we didn't have the strength
of our communication.
615
00:27:47,466 --> 00:27:51,102
{\an8}
The communication between dogs
and humans is
616
00:27:51,103 --> 00:27:53,238
how we save lives.
617
00:27:53,239 --> 00:27:55,440
That was so good!
That was so good!
618
00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,443
In addition to word forms,
619
00:27:58,444 --> 00:28:02,013
dogs are also paying attention
to the way our body moves.
620
00:28:02,014 --> 00:28:03,982
They're paying attention
to where we're looking.
621
00:28:03,983 --> 00:28:06,651
{\an8}They're paying attention
if we're pointing at things
622
00:28:06,652 --> 00:28:08,586
{\an8}or if we're gesturing at things.
623
00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:12,223
{\an8}They're paying attention
to the tone of our voice.
624
00:28:12,224 --> 00:28:15,093
So they're reading things
off of us all the time,
625
00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:17,596
you know, even as subtle
as an arm gesture.
626
00:28:19,398 --> 00:28:22,267
With this extraordinary ability
and desire of dogs
627
00:28:22,268 --> 00:28:24,769
to communicate with us,
628
00:28:24,770 --> 00:28:27,572
could they be better-suited
to learning our language
629
00:28:27,573 --> 00:28:31,143
than the animals that we've
tried to teach in the past?
630
00:28:33,412 --> 00:28:35,980
Because there are some dogs
631
00:28:35,981 --> 00:28:38,183
that seem to have
an incredible ability
632
00:28:38,184 --> 00:28:41,319
to recognize large numbers
of words.
633
00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:51,963
This is Gaia,
a six-year-old border collie.
634
00:28:51,964 --> 00:28:55,266
And this is Isabella Ruiz,
Gaia's owner.
635
00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:01,506
While most dogs are good
at learning action words
636
00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:03,908
like "sit" and "stay,"
637
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:06,911
very few are able to easily
learn the names of objects.
638
00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:10,849
But that's not the case
with Gaia.
639
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:13,118
Gaia has 215 toys now.
640
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,920
And she knows all of them
by name.
641
00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:19,357
It's a lot of toys now for us
to remember, so,
642
00:29:19,358 --> 00:29:23,895
we did a catalogue of the toys
to remember their names,
643
00:29:23,896 --> 00:29:26,164
but Gaia always knows the toys.
644
00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:28,967
So yeah, I think her memory
is better than ours.
645
00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:33,037
Isabella enrolled Gaia
in a study
646
00:29:33,038 --> 00:29:35,107
called the Genius Dog Challenge.
647
00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:39,444
It's run by Claudia Fugazza,
648
00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:41,980
who studies canine cognition.
649
00:29:41,981 --> 00:29:43,948
She's traveled here
all the way from Hungary,
650
00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:45,383
where she works
651
00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:48,419
with one of the world's leading
canine research groups.
652
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:52,790
{\an8}Gaia is one of the, what we call
the gifted word learner dogs,
653
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:56,928
{\an8}and these are dogs
that have a very special talent
654
00:29:56,929 --> 00:30:00,666
for learning the name of toys,
and they learn very fast.
655
00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:05,470
Only a few dogs around the world
seem to have this capacity.
656
00:30:05,471 --> 00:30:06,905
Go, go!
657
00:30:06,906 --> 00:30:08,306
One of the most capable dogs
658
00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:09,307
at learning object names
659
00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:11,609
was Chaser, a border collie
660
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:14,547
who knew the names
of over 1,000 toys.
661
00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:19,417
So far, Claudia has found
fewer than 50 dogs
662
00:30:19,418 --> 00:30:20,585
around the world
663
00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:23,521
who are good enough
at learning object names
664
00:30:23,522 --> 00:30:24,822
to take part in her study.
665
00:30:27,426 --> 00:30:30,228
Hello!
Hi, Gaia, hello, girl!
666
00:30:30,229 --> 00:30:33,631
She's traveled here
to put Gaia to the test.
667
00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:35,066
Thank you.
668
00:30:35,067 --> 00:30:36,768
So I got something
for Gaia.
669
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:38,269
Gaia!
670
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:40,905
Look at here--
maybe there's something for you.
671
00:30:40,906 --> 00:30:43,509
That's for you.
672
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:47,145
Yeah.
673
00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:48,314
Coffee?
674
00:30:49,281 --> 00:30:50,748
Coffee.
675
00:30:50,749 --> 00:30:53,017
A little test shows
just how quickly
676
00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:55,321
Gaia can learn the name
of a new toy.
677
00:30:57,456 --> 00:31:00,559
RUIZ
678
00:31:09,435 --> 00:31:10,469
Hey?
679
00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:12,804
RUIZ
680
00:31:12,805 --> 00:31:14,772
Good girl, she
got it.
681
00:31:14,773 --> 00:31:16,241
So she learns really quick.
682
00:31:16,242 --> 00:31:17,742
That was a matter of
683
00:31:17,743 --> 00:31:19,844
couple of minutes playing,
684
00:31:19,845 --> 00:31:22,513
and she already got
this new name.
685
00:31:23,749 --> 00:31:25,450
But Claudia already knows
686
00:31:25,451 --> 00:31:27,752
that Gaia is exceptionally
talented
687
00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:29,454
at learning the names of toys.
688
00:31:29,455 --> 00:31:31,089
Coffee!
689
00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:33,691
She wants to find out whether
Gaia's cognitive skills
690
00:31:33,692 --> 00:31:35,927
go a step further.
691
00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:40,865
Gaia knows that "tug"
and "fetch" are games to play.
692
00:31:40,866 --> 00:31:44,302
Last week, she was given
two new toys,
693
00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:47,472
one to tug and one to fetch.
694
00:31:47,473 --> 00:31:49,641
New toys.
695
00:31:49,642 --> 00:31:52,677
{\an8}Can she figure out
which toy goes with which game,
696
00:31:52,678 --> 00:31:55,246
{\an8}based on how she plays with it?
697
00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,516
{\an8}This one, I will play
like this.
698
00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:00,785
{\an8}Isabella hasn't given
the toys any names
699
00:32:00,786 --> 00:32:03,988
{\an8}and hasn't said the words
"tug" or "fetch"
700
00:32:03,989 --> 00:32:05,623
{\an8}when playing with them.
701
00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:07,492
{\an8}This one, we've been playing
like this,
702
00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:10,295
{\an8}but I, I don't say the name
of the category, so, yeah.
703
00:32:10,296 --> 00:32:12,630
Is Gaia smart enough
704
00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:14,198
to figure out
which is a "fetch" toy
705
00:32:14,199 --> 00:32:15,867
and which is a "tug" toy,
706
00:32:15,868 --> 00:32:20,072
even though these words haven't
been used with these toys?
707
00:32:22,808 --> 00:32:25,276
So are they able
to sort those items
708
00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:28,012
into the tug
or the fetch category
709
00:32:28,013 --> 00:32:29,947
just based on the way you play?
710
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,816
RUIZ
711
00:32:31,817 --> 00:32:32,985
...Fetch?
712
00:32:44,229 --> 00:32:45,697
Come on, come on,
come on.
713
00:32:45,698 --> 00:32:47,465
Good girl!
Good girl!
714
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:49,600
Good girl,
you got the fetch.
Good girl!
715
00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:53,037
Good girl!
716
00:32:53,038 --> 00:32:54,038
Gaia.
717
00:32:55,574 --> 00:32:56,941
...Tug?
718
00:33:08,253 --> 00:33:09,954
Good doggy!
Good girl!
719
00:33:09,955 --> 00:33:12,357
Good doggy.
Yeah.
720
00:33:12,358 --> 00:33:14,225
Yeah.
That's a good girl.
721
00:33:14,226 --> 00:33:15,460
Yeah! Go, go, go!
722
00:33:15,461 --> 00:33:17,628
Yeah!
723
00:33:17,629 --> 00:33:21,899
Well, I have to say, I had
no idea how this would go.
724
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,001
But that was really,
really exciting.
725
00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,070
Totally, I believe
this is a big step
726
00:33:26,071 --> 00:33:28,673
in our understanding
of dogs' minds.
727
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:32,276
So, she was able to assign
this toy to the named category
728
00:33:32,277 --> 00:33:35,847
without ever having heard
that name paired with that toy.
729
00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:38,249
What Gaia has done
seems different
730
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:41,819
from just simple conditioning
or associative learning.
731
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:43,154
For sure,
732
00:33:43,155 --> 00:33:48,593
Gaia could not have associated
the name "fetch" or "tug"
733
00:33:48,594 --> 00:33:50,061
to the specific item,
734
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:52,330
because she has never heard
that name
735
00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:55,767
while seeing that toy
or while playing with that toy.
736
00:33:55,768 --> 00:33:57,135
This is not possible.
737
00:33:57,136 --> 00:33:59,237
She could not have learned that
this way.
738
00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:02,340
It seems some dogs
can understand
739
00:34:02,341 --> 00:34:05,943
that one word can refer
to a whole category of objects--
740
00:34:05,944 --> 00:34:08,413
not just one individual thing.
741
00:34:09,848 --> 00:34:12,917
But that's just words
that they're hearing.
742
00:34:12,918 --> 00:34:14,986
Could some dogs also understand
743
00:34:14,987 --> 00:34:17,021
that they could use
a button word
744
00:34:17,022 --> 00:34:18,957
in different situations?
745
00:34:26,598 --> 00:34:28,166
Meet Parker.
746
00:34:28,167 --> 00:34:32,003
She's a beagle cross and
a prolific user of word buttons.
747
00:34:32,004 --> 00:34:33,905
{\an8}
Water.
748
00:34:33,906 --> 00:34:35,807
{\an8}
So Parker is a bit atypical.
749
00:34:35,808 --> 00:34:38,009
{\an8}When we first got them,
it took her
750
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:42,046
{\an8}about 30 seconds, maybe, not
even, to press her first button.
751
00:34:42,047 --> 00:34:44,749
{\an8}And by the, you know, end of
that kind of evening,
752
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:47,919
{\an8}she had pressed, at least
experimentally, all six of them.
753
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,787
Snug, snuggle.
754
00:34:49,788 --> 00:34:51,589
You want to snuggle?
Come here.
755
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,991
Her owner, Sascha Crasnow,
756
00:34:53,992 --> 00:34:56,761
enrolled Parker
in Federico's study
757
00:34:56,762 --> 00:34:59,330
as soon as the buttons arrived.
758
00:34:59,331 --> 00:35:01,399
She definitely says things
with the buttons
759
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,503
that she would not be able
to communicate to me otherwise.
760
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,340
Snuffle mat.
761
00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:10,908
So a snuffle mat has,
762
00:35:10,909 --> 00:35:13,644
you know, sort of these layers
or these little pockets,
763
00:35:13,645 --> 00:35:17,148
{\an8}little places you can kind of
hide food,
764
00:35:17,149 --> 00:35:20,052
{\an8}and then a puzzle...
765
00:35:21,653 --> 00:35:22,820
{\an8}...is sort of
what it sounds like.
766
00:35:22,821 --> 00:35:25,790
{\an8}It's another way to kind of
do mental enrichment
767
00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:27,058
while they're eating.
768
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:29,894
But if I give her food
in a snuffle mat,
769
00:35:29,895 --> 00:35:31,729
and she wants a puzzle that day,
770
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:33,831
she will refuse
to eat that food.
771
00:35:33,832 --> 00:35:36,734
And if I take the exact same
food and pour it into a puzzle,
772
00:35:36,735 --> 00:35:38,236
she will then eat that food.
773
00:35:38,237 --> 00:35:40,171
And if I didn't have
the buttons,
774
00:35:40,172 --> 00:35:42,440
I would think she was just
off her food, right?
775
00:35:42,441 --> 00:35:44,242
That maybe there was something
wrong with it.
776
00:35:44,243 --> 00:35:46,177
But no, she's just
very particular
777
00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:49,248
about the experience she wants
while she's eating.
778
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:53,985
Of course, there may
always be a temptation
779
00:35:53,986 --> 00:35:58,122
for owners to over-interpret
their pets' use of word buttons.
780
00:35:58,123 --> 00:35:59,891
Food.
781
00:35:59,892 --> 00:36:01,859
Ball.
782
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:05,263
But Parker certainly seems
more capable than most.
783
00:36:05,264 --> 00:36:06,464
One time, when I was
784
00:36:06,465 --> 00:36:09,166
kind of just out
for maybe an hour or so,
785
00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:12,236
she pressed "potty."
786
00:36:12,237 --> 00:36:14,472
Potty, potty.
787
00:36:14,473 --> 00:36:17,508
And then, on the video,
you can see that she throws up.
788
00:36:20,445 --> 00:36:24,515
And then she goes
and presses "help."
789
00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:25,817
Help.
790
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:30,087
Amalia, Federico's colleague,
791
00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:32,189
felt that use of the word "help"
792
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:34,725
suggested greater
cognitive abilities
793
00:36:34,726 --> 00:36:37,362
than most of the button words
used by dogs.
794
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:40,298
{\an8}So with most of
the buttons that dogs have,
795
00:36:40,299 --> 00:36:42,166
{\an8}like "food" or "play" or "walk,"
796
00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:43,701
{\an8}these are simple associations
797
00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:45,636
{\an8}that are related
to one particular context.
798
00:36:45,637 --> 00:36:46,971
Help.
799
00:36:46,972 --> 00:36:48,439
"Help" is interesting,
800
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,674
because it's a little bit
more general
801
00:36:49,675 --> 00:36:51,576
than a lot of the simpler
buttons
802
00:36:51,577 --> 00:36:52,610
that these dogs might have.
803
00:36:54,479 --> 00:36:56,147
She decided to set up
an experiment
804
00:36:56,148 --> 00:36:58,015
called The Impossible Task.
805
00:36:58,016 --> 00:36:59,250
Come on!
806
00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:00,952
Sascha and Parker took part.
807
00:37:00,953 --> 00:37:02,621
Sit-- wait.
808
00:37:03,722 --> 00:37:06,357
{\an8}So the way that the study
is set up is,
809
00:37:06,358 --> 00:37:08,125
{\an8}we have this mat on the floor
here,
810
00:37:08,126 --> 00:37:10,094
{\an8}and it's got a Tupperware
in the middle.
811
00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:12,296
{\an8}First, the owners give the dogs
opportunities
812
00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:13,798
{\an8}over four different trials
813
00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:15,466
{\an8}to obtain a food reward
from inside the Tupperware,
814
00:37:15,467 --> 00:37:17,101
{\an8}and at that point,
the lid is open.
815
00:37:17,102 --> 00:37:19,503
{\an8}And at all these stages,
the dog can knock off the lid
816
00:37:19,504 --> 00:37:20,905
{\an8}and eat the food
inside the Tupperware
817
00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:22,107
{\an8}without much difficulty.
818
00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:24,675
{\an8}Until, in the very final trial,
819
00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:26,944
{\an8}the fifth trial, the Tupperware
is completely locked,
820
00:37:26,945 --> 00:37:29,280
{\an8}and that's the point at which
the dog might need help
821
00:37:29,281 --> 00:37:31,015
{\an8}to access the food.
822
00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:33,150
{\an8}The owners are not allowed
to speak to the dog,
823
00:37:33,151 --> 00:37:34,885
{\an8}point or gesture at the dog,
824
00:37:34,886 --> 00:37:36,655
{\an8}look at their dog--
nothing at all.
825
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:40,958
{\an8}I didn't know
what Parker would do
826
00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:42,159
{\an8}in that circumstance,
827
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,295
{\an8}whether she would use
the buttons or not.
828
00:37:46,131 --> 00:37:47,932
{\an8}
We can see she's immediately
gone to Sascha,
829
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:49,333
{\an8}and she's climbed
onto Sascha's back,
830
00:37:49,334 --> 00:37:50,801
{\an8}trying to get her attention.
831
00:37:50,802 --> 00:37:52,203
{\an8}But what we're interested in is,
832
00:37:52,204 --> 00:37:55,374
{\an8}can these dogs then
make that leap and use a word?
833
00:37:57,142 --> 00:37:59,577
{\an8}
Help. Look.
834
00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:00,845
{\an8}
She presses "help," "look,"
835
00:38:00,846 --> 00:38:02,780
{\an8}and then she looks to Sascha.
836
00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:06,550
{\an8}
Parker had never before been
presented with this scenario,
837
00:38:06,551 --> 00:38:09,620
{\an8}and so had never used the words
"look" or "help"
838
00:38:09,621 --> 00:38:11,088
{\an8}in this context.
839
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:13,491
{\an8}
Help. Help. Look. Look.
840
00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:15,893
{\an8}
So because it's the very first
time that they've seen this,
841
00:38:15,894 --> 00:38:17,128
it tells us two things.
842
00:38:17,129 --> 00:38:18,696
It tells us the behavior
wasn't trained
843
00:38:18,697 --> 00:38:23,234
and it tells us that the dog is
having to think about what this
844
00:38:23,235 --> 00:38:24,702
requires from them,
845
00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:26,337
in terms of communication
to their owner,
846
00:38:26,338 --> 00:38:27,972
and that they need to generalize
a button
847
00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:29,573
that they've not used
in this context before.
848
00:38:29,574 --> 00:38:31,242
{\an8}
Help. Help. Help.
849
00:38:31,243 --> 00:38:32,810
{\an8}
It seems from this experiment...
Look. Look.
850
00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:35,713
{\an8}
...that Parker understands
that the word "help"
851
00:38:35,714 --> 00:38:38,717
{\an8}can be used in a broad range
of scenarios.
852
00:38:39,851 --> 00:38:42,454
Oh, hi! Do you need help?
853
00:38:45,223 --> 00:38:46,892
There you go.
854
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,163
{\an8}
As well as using words
in new, untrained ways,
855
00:38:52,164 --> 00:38:55,633
{\an8}a huge step would be if dogs
were using words
856
00:38:55,634 --> 00:38:58,135
{\an8}to do more than just
ask for things.
857
00:38:58,136 --> 00:38:59,437
{\an8}What we're actually
interested in
858
00:38:59,438 --> 00:39:02,139
{\an8}is whether dogs might be
able to use
859
00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:04,408
the soundboards
not just as a vending machine,
860
00:39:04,409 --> 00:39:06,243
where they're requesting things
from humans,
861
00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:08,447
but actually understand it
as a communicative device.
862
00:39:09,481 --> 00:39:11,816
{\an8}
So humans do not just
request things,
863
00:39:11,817 --> 00:39:14,351
{\an8}humans can inform.
864
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,153
It's a thing that humans
do all the time.
865
00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:18,355
Um, toddlers start doing it--
they will point at the moon
866
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,558
and say "moon," and, you know,
they're not requesting the moon,
867
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:21,992
they're just letting you know
the moon is there.
868
00:39:21,993 --> 00:39:24,028
{\an8}
Right or wrong,
869
00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:26,030
{\an8}it's something
that some dog owners believe
870
00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:27,766
{\an8}their dogs are capable of.
871
00:39:28,767 --> 00:39:31,235
Though of course,
they may have a tendency
872
00:39:31,236 --> 00:39:34,106
to read too much
into their dogs' button presses.
873
00:39:36,174 --> 00:39:38,509
Parker uses the buttons
to narrate a decent amount.
874
00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:43,247
Um, she has narrated me watering
the plants quite a bit.
875
00:39:43,248 --> 00:39:45,617
She'll narrate also things
she does sometimes.
876
00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:49,086
Settle.
877
00:39:49,087 --> 00:39:51,122
She's pressed "settle" before,
878
00:39:51,123 --> 00:39:54,526
and then just gone into her bed
and lie down.
879
00:39:56,094 --> 00:39:57,895
She didn't get anything from me
for it.
880
00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,330
She just pressed "settle"
881
00:39:59,331 --> 00:40:00,599
and then she settled.
882
00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:06,003
It's impossible to know for sure
whether Parker
883
00:40:06,004 --> 00:40:08,406
really was commenting
on what she was doing.
884
00:40:09,441 --> 00:40:11,776
But other dogs, like Copper,
885
00:40:11,777 --> 00:40:14,011
a three-and-a-half-year-old
Labrador,
886
00:40:14,012 --> 00:40:17,681
also seem to be using buttons to
do more than just make requests.
887
00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:19,517
{\an8}Outside. Pool.
888
00:40:19,518 --> 00:40:20,718
{\an8}
Outside pool.
889
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,588
{\an8}Outside pool
maybe tomorrow.
890
00:40:26,324 --> 00:40:27,359
{\an8}Soon.
891
00:40:28,727 --> 00:40:30,528
{\an8}Outside pool later.
892
00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:31,529
{\an8}
Outside. Pool.
893
00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:32,798
{\an8}Later.
Later.
894
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:36,600
{\an8}Sad.
895
00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:38,903
{\an8}Oh, my goodness--
Copper.
896
00:40:38,904 --> 00:40:41,705
It looks like Copper
was using her buttons
897
00:40:41,706 --> 00:40:43,440
to express emotion.
898
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,911
But of course,
we don't know for sure.
899
00:40:46,912 --> 00:40:49,547
{\an8}An animal could learn
that pressing the "sad" button
900
00:40:49,548 --> 00:40:50,981
{\an8}gets attention.
901
00:40:50,982 --> 00:40:53,217
{\an8}And, and once they've learnt
that,
902
00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:55,820
{\an8}they can manipulate
these, these different concepts
903
00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:57,555
in, in quite complex ways,
904
00:40:57,556 --> 00:41:01,559
without understanding there's
a semantic meaning behind it.
905
00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:06,397
Outside pool later.
906
00:41:10,035 --> 00:41:12,937
{\an8}From the data being
submitted by dog owners,
907
00:41:12,938 --> 00:41:15,840
{\an8}Federico has found
that many believe their dogs
908
00:41:15,841 --> 00:41:19,177
{\an8}are using buttons to do more
than just ask for things.
909
00:41:21,580 --> 00:41:23,714
While 50% of button presses
910
00:41:23,715 --> 00:41:27,051
were categorized as requests,
911
00:41:27,052 --> 00:41:29,687
more than five percent of
presses were believed by owners
912
00:41:29,688 --> 00:41:31,990
to be sharing thoughts
and feelings.
913
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,094
Six percent were informing,
914
00:41:37,095 --> 00:41:41,233
as well as 6.4 percent described
by owners as "narrating."
915
00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:44,635
Crucially, these aren't
916
00:41:44,636 --> 00:41:47,171
scientifically validated
reports.
917
00:41:47,172 --> 00:41:50,442
They're just what owners believe
their dogs are doing.
918
00:41:53,044 --> 00:41:55,279
Knowing for certain
what a dog means
919
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,349
when it uses words,
or thinks when it hears words,
920
00:41:58,350 --> 00:42:00,951
is much harder.
921
00:42:05,657 --> 00:42:07,458
But in Budapest, Hungary,
922
00:42:07,459 --> 00:42:10,561
Marianna Boros wants to find out
what's happening
923
00:42:10,562 --> 00:42:11,929
inside a dog's brain
924
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:14,599
when it hears words it knows.
925
00:42:16,568 --> 00:42:18,235
{\an8}
For most people, we have
926
00:42:18,236 --> 00:42:19,937
{\an8}a mental representation
927
00:42:19,938 --> 00:42:22,006
{\an8}of things
from the external world,
928
00:42:22,007 --> 00:42:24,341
{\an8}so we have a mental
representation of an object,
929
00:42:24,342 --> 00:42:27,611
some kind of memory
of that thing.
930
00:42:27,612 --> 00:42:31,782
We can imagine it in a way
that, we hear the word "ball,"
931
00:42:31,783 --> 00:42:34,152
we will see in our mental
imagery a ball.
932
00:42:35,587 --> 00:42:37,054
Marianna wants to test
933
00:42:37,055 --> 00:42:40,357
whether dogs' brains
might work similarly.
934
00:42:40,358 --> 00:42:42,259
When a dog hears a word,
935
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:45,629
does it conjure up an image
of that thing in its head?
936
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:47,097
Hello.
937
00:42:47,098 --> 00:42:48,399
To find out,
938
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,834
she's going to study
the brain activity of Demi,
939
00:42:50,835 --> 00:42:53,104
an 11-year-old
Swiss shepherd dog.
940
00:42:55,307 --> 00:42:57,341
So right now, I'm putting on
941
00:42:57,342 --> 00:42:59,343
the electrodes
on Demi's head.
942
00:42:59,344 --> 00:43:01,546
These will measure
the brain signal.
943
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:06,617
Demi's owner, Timi,
944
00:43:06,618 --> 00:43:09,287
has brought in
some of Demi's toys.
945
00:43:10,822 --> 00:43:13,657
Demi hears a message
telling her what toy
946
00:43:13,658 --> 00:43:15,225
she's about to see.
947
00:43:15,226 --> 00:43:18,396
{\an8}RECORDED VOICE
948
00:43:19,898 --> 00:43:23,334
{\an8}
Sometimes,
Timi shows her that toy.
949
00:43:23,335 --> 00:43:25,502
{\an8}RECORDED VOICE
950
00:43:25,503 --> 00:43:26,870
But sometimes,
951
00:43:26,871 --> 00:43:28,706
Timi shows a different toy
952
00:43:28,707 --> 00:43:30,742
than what Demi is expecting.
953
00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:34,545
The idea is that if the dog sees
a different object,
954
00:43:34,546 --> 00:43:36,413
it should be somehow surprised,
955
00:43:36,414 --> 00:43:38,782
and this surprise effect
956
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,618
should be visible
in the E.E.G. signal.
957
00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:44,856
{\an8}RECORDED VOICE
958
00:43:47,459 --> 00:43:50,260
What we can see here
is that if a dog saw
959
00:43:50,261 --> 00:43:53,030
an object that matched the word
that he just heard,
960
00:43:53,031 --> 00:43:55,199
this is the response
that we get.
961
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,034
But when we violate their
expectations,
962
00:43:57,035 --> 00:43:59,703
so we show
a different object,
963
00:43:59,704 --> 00:44:01,772
then we get a more positive
response
964
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:03,308
in the E.E.G. signal.
965
00:44:04,709 --> 00:44:05,909
Marianna believes
966
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:08,145
that the difference
in electrical activity
967
00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:09,813
indicates
that when dogs hear a word,
968
00:44:09,814 --> 00:44:13,518
it can evoke a mental
representation of an object.
969
00:44:15,453 --> 00:44:16,820
We can claim,
based on this study,
970
00:44:16,821 --> 00:44:20,324
that when they hear
the name of an object,
971
00:44:20,325 --> 00:44:24,261
they activate something, the
so-called memory of this object.
972
00:44:24,262 --> 00:44:27,431
So we think that the dog
is actually surprised
973
00:44:27,432 --> 00:44:29,299
when it sees a different thing,
974
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:32,970
but it is surprised
because it has an expectation
975
00:44:32,971 --> 00:44:35,873
and because it understands
the meaning of that word.
976
00:44:37,208 --> 00:44:39,743
That's a qualitatively
different way
977
00:44:39,744 --> 00:44:41,845
of using language,
978
00:44:41,846 --> 00:44:44,615
as opposed
to associative learning.
979
00:44:46,184 --> 00:44:48,285
So yes, I would say
980
00:44:48,286 --> 00:44:50,821
there's a possibility
that they understand words
981
00:44:50,822 --> 00:44:52,389
similarly to us.
982
00:44:54,592 --> 00:44:56,560
There are limitations
in interpreting
983
00:44:56,561 --> 00:44:58,595
E.E.G. signals like these
984
00:44:58,596 --> 00:45:01,365
{\an8}and figuring out exactly
what they tell us
985
00:45:01,366 --> 00:45:05,969
{\an8}about how much an animal
really understands.
986
00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:08,038
{\an8}But if dogs do understand words
987
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,040
{\an8}in similar ways to us,
988
00:45:10,041 --> 00:45:11,642
{\an8}could they start
putting them together
989
00:45:11,643 --> 00:45:15,112
{\an8}and using them
in more complex ways?
990
00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:19,416
To understand that,
991
00:45:19,417 --> 00:45:22,387
we need to look at the dogs
that use a lot of buttons.
992
00:45:23,388 --> 00:45:25,255
{\an8}
Come. Outside.
993
00:45:25,256 --> 00:45:27,324
Okay, we can go outside.
994
00:45:27,325 --> 00:45:28,726
Come on, girl.
995
00:45:30,862 --> 00:45:34,631
{\an8}
Of all the dogs taking part
in Federico's study,
996
00:45:34,632 --> 00:45:37,001
{\an8}most use just a handful
of buttons.
997
00:45:39,671 --> 00:45:41,638
{\an8}But there are at least 30 dogs
998
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:44,976
{\an8}who routinely use
at least 50 different buttons.
999
00:45:46,611 --> 00:45:49,613
{\an8}The holy grail would be
to find dogs that are capable
1000
00:45:49,614 --> 00:45:52,082
{\an8}of using a limited number
of words
1001
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,684
to express new ideas
1002
00:45:53,685 --> 00:45:56,353
that they don't have
specific buttons for.
1003
00:45:56,354 --> 00:45:57,788
We humans have
1004
00:45:57,789 --> 00:45:59,256
a limited vocabulary.
1005
00:45:59,257 --> 00:46:02,159
But the reality is,
there's no constraint
1006
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,862
on how many different things
we can express.
1007
00:46:04,863 --> 00:46:08,398
The only way that we can get
that unlimited ability
1008
00:46:08,399 --> 00:46:10,334
from a limited vocabulary
1009
00:46:10,335 --> 00:46:12,769
is by combining
those different terms,
1010
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:15,305
those different words,
that vocabulary,
1011
00:46:15,306 --> 00:46:17,942
in different ways
to create new concepts.
1012
00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:21,545
This ability to say anything
with limited words
1013
00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:23,780
is known as productivity.
1014
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,349
I can give you an example.
1015
00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:26,517
My two-year-old kept telling me
1016
00:46:26,518 --> 00:46:30,487
that he wanted to be dressed
as a green lion,
1017
00:46:30,488 --> 00:46:32,823
and I was, like,
"What are you talking about?
1018
00:46:32,824 --> 00:46:34,324
There is no green lion."
1019
00:46:34,325 --> 00:46:36,860
And at some point, he sees
somebody dressed as a dinosaur,
1020
00:46:36,861 --> 00:46:39,396
points to it,
and says, "Green lion."
1021
00:46:39,397 --> 00:46:40,864
And I'm, like, "There you go.
1022
00:46:40,865 --> 00:46:42,366
"You don't have a word
for dinosaur.
1023
00:46:42,367 --> 00:46:43,767
"But by saying 'green lion,'
1024
00:46:43,768 --> 00:46:46,303
"you're getting as close
as you can with your vocabulary
1025
00:46:46,304 --> 00:46:49,573
to telling me,
'This is what I want.'"
1026
00:46:49,574 --> 00:46:51,875
Linguistic productivity
is absolutely central
1027
00:46:51,876 --> 00:46:54,411
to the way
that humans do language.
1028
00:46:54,412 --> 00:46:58,382
So that cognitive ability
is very, very powerful
1029
00:46:58,383 --> 00:47:00,451
and very, very rare
in the animal world.
1030
00:47:01,753 --> 00:47:05,856
It would be a huge step up
in terms of cognitive ability.
1031
00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:08,158
So could some dogs
be showing signs of it?
1032
00:47:11,029 --> 00:47:12,496
In order to look
at productivity,
1033
00:47:12,497 --> 00:47:15,666
you need to have dogs that can
combine at least two buttons.
1034
00:47:15,667 --> 00:47:19,336
As of yesterday,
we have 790 dogs in our pool
1035
00:47:19,337 --> 00:47:21,805
that do multi-button
combinations.
1036
00:47:21,806 --> 00:47:25,175
It is possible
that out of this 700,
1037
00:47:25,176 --> 00:47:27,778
almost 800 individuals,
1038
00:47:27,779 --> 00:47:28,912
you can now look at some,
1039
00:47:28,913 --> 00:47:31,348
and maybe
there's gonna be one, two,
1040
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:34,184
three, five, ten, 20
that actually have
1041
00:47:34,185 --> 00:47:35,919
the ability to kind of refer
to things
1042
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,321
that you don't have a word for
1043
00:47:37,322 --> 00:47:39,690
or by combining other signals.
1044
00:47:39,691 --> 00:47:41,858
We have anecdotal reports
from some of them
1045
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:45,996
that they seem to be doing it.
1046
00:47:45,997 --> 00:47:47,931
{\an8}One time, when Stella's
"beach" button broke,
1047
00:47:47,932 --> 00:47:50,200
{\an8}she went right over,
1048
00:47:50,201 --> 00:47:52,669
looked exactly
where her "beach" button was,
1049
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:56,506
she kind of sniffed it,
looked at the empty space,
1050
00:47:56,507 --> 00:47:57,708
and then immediately after,
1051
00:47:57,709 --> 00:47:59,811
said, "Help," "Water,"
"Outside."
1052
00:48:01,179 --> 00:48:03,815
Help. Water.
1053
00:48:05,383 --> 00:48:06,917
Outside.
1054
00:48:06,918 --> 00:48:08,719
That was something
that had never been taught.
1055
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,589
I had never referred
to the beach as "water outside."
1056
00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:14,591
But she put those together
1057
00:48:14,592 --> 00:48:16,493
in order to communicate
that concept to me
1058
00:48:16,494 --> 00:48:19,230
when her "beach" button
wasn't available anymore.
1059
00:48:20,298 --> 00:48:21,798
It's impossible to know
1060
00:48:21,799 --> 00:48:24,268
whether Christina's
interpretation is correct.
1061
00:48:24,269 --> 00:48:27,137
But clips like these
are helpful for Federico,
1062
00:48:27,138 --> 00:48:30,107
to highlight possible areas
for future research.
1063
00:48:30,108 --> 00:48:32,944
Water. Outside.
1064
00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:35,312
This is the reason
I am doing it,
1065
00:48:35,313 --> 00:48:37,314
even though people told me
I might lose my job.
1066
00:48:37,315 --> 00:48:40,317
It's because I've seen
things like that.
1067
00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:43,220
I've seen animals putting
together two or three buttons
1068
00:48:43,221 --> 00:48:46,290
in ways that look like they
were producing sentences.
1069
00:48:46,291 --> 00:48:48,492
But of course, you should not
stop there,
1070
00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:49,893
because that thing
could have been trained.
1071
00:48:49,894 --> 00:48:51,928
We'll go to the beach.
1072
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:54,064
{\an8}
It might look like productivity,
1073
00:48:54,065 --> 00:48:55,999
{\an8}but we don't know for sure
that it is.
1074
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,267
I do find interesting
1075
00:48:57,268 --> 00:48:59,569
that she pressed buttons
that are near "beach."
1076
00:48:59,570 --> 00:49:01,438
Help. Water.
1077
00:49:01,439 --> 00:49:02,673
I would have loved
1078
00:49:02,674 --> 00:49:04,541
to know if she would have done
the same
1079
00:49:04,542 --> 00:49:07,278
if, say, "beach" was on the
other side of the soundboard.
1080
00:49:09,247 --> 00:49:12,916
Although Stella had never before
used those buttons together,
1081
00:49:12,917 --> 00:49:17,421
testing what she meant by them
after the event is impossible.
1082
00:49:17,422 --> 00:49:18,822
After that set of buttons
is hit,
1083
00:49:18,823 --> 00:49:22,192
if Stella then goes
to the beach,
1084
00:49:22,193 --> 00:49:24,227
now that set of buttons
1085
00:49:24,228 --> 00:49:26,263
definitely means "beach."
1086
00:49:26,264 --> 00:49:28,732
So then it's almost impossible
for us to know
1087
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:30,167
what, the first button press
occurrence,
1088
00:49:30,168 --> 00:49:33,970
what Stella had intended,
because now
1089
00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:35,640
it always means "beach."
1090
00:49:41,746 --> 00:49:44,848
So, can dogs talk?
1091
00:49:44,849 --> 00:49:47,951
I think Parker can communicate
using
1092
00:49:47,952 --> 00:49:50,153
{\an8}English-language words.
1093
00:49:50,154 --> 00:49:52,756
{\an8}Do you want to do
training?
1094
00:49:52,757 --> 00:49:53,757
{\an8}
No.
1095
00:49:53,758 --> 00:49:55,659
{\an8}
Okay!
1096
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:57,795
We won't do training, then.
1097
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:01,499
If you want to call that
talking, great.
1098
00:50:02,867 --> 00:50:04,701
I say that Stella talks
1099
00:50:04,702 --> 00:50:07,471
because she's using words
to communicate.
1100
00:50:07,472 --> 00:50:09,539
Outside.
1101
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:12,042
The fact that it's not
a trained behavior,
1102
00:50:12,043 --> 00:50:13,477
and that it's independent,
1103
00:50:13,478 --> 00:50:16,313
and that she can use words
1104
00:50:16,314 --> 00:50:17,681
to mean
a lot of different things
1105
00:50:17,682 --> 00:50:22,687
indicates language,
not just a conditioned trick.
1106
00:50:24,155 --> 00:50:25,689
It's not surprising that owners,
1107
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:28,925
with their close relationships
and strong communicative bonds,
1108
00:50:28,926 --> 00:50:33,096
might feel their dogs
are talking.
1109
00:50:33,097 --> 00:50:34,598
Love you.
1110
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:35,599
Stella.
1111
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,666
Love you,
Stella.
1112
00:50:36,667 --> 00:50:38,702
But scientific understanding
1113
00:50:38,703 --> 00:50:40,103
of their linguistic capabilities
1114
00:50:40,104 --> 00:50:42,973
is still in its early days.
1115
00:50:42,974 --> 00:50:45,008
Bedtime.
1116
00:50:45,009 --> 00:50:47,244
We're very much at the beginning
of what we're doing
1117
00:50:47,245 --> 00:50:49,212
{\an8}and we need to be ready
1118
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:51,415
{\an8}to collect data
for years and years.
1119
00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:53,116
{\an8}Out, outside.
1120
00:50:53,117 --> 00:50:55,652
{\an8}And to me, the exciting part is
1121
00:50:55,653 --> 00:50:57,087
{\an8}that we now get a better sense
1122
00:50:57,088 --> 00:50:58,822
{\an8}of what might be happening
out there.
1123
00:50:58,823 --> 00:51:00,290
{\an8}
Outside.
1124
00:51:00,291 --> 00:51:02,959
Maybe you can see something that
nobody else could see before,
1125
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,596
because we just didn't
have access to all this data.
1126
00:51:06,697 --> 00:51:08,298
Chewy.
1127
00:51:08,299 --> 00:51:10,267
We're really at the start
of this journey
1128
00:51:10,268 --> 00:51:12,269
of understanding
animal cognition,
1129
00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:15,071
animal communication,
and where that lies
1130
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:18,643
on that spectrum between
language and non-language.
1131
00:51:20,278 --> 00:51:22,213
Where. Bye.
1132
00:51:23,481 --> 00:51:27,584
Where...
1133
00:51:27,585 --> 00:51:28,952
Bye.
1134
00:51:28,953 --> 00:51:31,054
Where bye?
1135
00:51:31,055 --> 00:51:32,689
Are you asking where
you're going?
1136
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:34,991
You're going to go see
Natalie!
1137
00:51:34,992 --> 00:51:37,761
It's clear that dogs
will never be capable
1138
00:51:37,762 --> 00:51:40,030
of using our language
to generate the rich,
1139
00:51:40,031 --> 00:51:43,266
grammatically correct,
infinite range of sentences
1140
00:51:43,267 --> 00:51:45,402
that humans can create.
1141
00:51:45,403 --> 00:51:46,937
Does it matter
1142
00:51:46,938 --> 00:51:48,738
if the sentence you're saying
is grammatical or not,
1143
00:51:48,739 --> 00:51:50,774
as long as you're getting
your point across,
1144
00:51:50,775 --> 00:51:53,210
and you're actually benefiting
from that two-way communication?
1145
00:51:53,211 --> 00:51:54,611
I don't think so.
1146
00:51:56,013 --> 00:51:59,015
Whether dogs are using language
or not,
1147
00:51:59,016 --> 00:52:01,284
{\an8}with a new tool
in their communication kit
1148
00:52:01,285 --> 00:52:04,020
{\an8}and access to our words,
1149
00:52:04,021 --> 00:52:06,723
{\an8}perhaps the close bond
between humans and dogs
1150
00:52:06,724 --> 00:52:09,560
{\an8}could become even closer.
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