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[Phil] Erasmus, if you do
still live here,
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you can try and prove it to me.
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-[heavy thud]
-[Heather screams]
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[Josh] On this episode
of "Expedition X" --
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-Oh, my gosh, look.
-[Heather] Wow!
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I see why they call it
a cave castle.
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[Josh] My team travels
to Predjama Castle in Slovenia,
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once home to one of the most
evil men of the Middle Ages.
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He was robbing people
from this area.
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He took people to slavery
and burned houses down.
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[Josh]
The blood-soaked building
connects with a secret network
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of sinister caves...
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[Karin]
I saw a shadowy figure.
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I know it wasn't human
by how it was moving.
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[Phil] Oh, [bleep]!
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[Josh]
...where dark rituals were once
held to appease violent gods.
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What did you hope to gain?
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Power.
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-[Phil grunts]
-[Heather] Phil!
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[Josh]
Will Heather and Phil survive
their journey to the black
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heart of the cursed castle?
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Are those rapids?
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Oh, my God, they are.
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Watch it, watch it, watch it!
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[ominous music plays]
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All right, well, you two are
getting a bit of a reputation.
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Like, in a good way because
we're getting so much evidence
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of the paranormal?
-No, it's got to be in a bad way
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because we're scaring everyone
from going anywhere.
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Honestly, it's kind of both.
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You're getting a reputation
at being very good at dealing
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with the bad,
particularly when it comes
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to horribly haunted castles.
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Ah, like Chillingham Castle
in England.
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Or like Chateau De Veauce
in France.
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Or Houska in the Czech
Republic, et cetera, et cetera.
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You guys have investigated
so many castles that a place
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called Predjama Castle
all the way over in Slovenia,
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reached out saying they are
inundated with paranormal
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activity and they want
your help.
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Ooh, maybe we'll get to meet
another nobleman like the guy
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that owns Chillingham Castle,
Sir Humphrey.
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Well, that's where
you'd be wrong, Heather.
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Dead wrong.
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For the past 500 years,
there has been nothing noble
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about Predjama.
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This is not a castle
of courageous knights
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or gracious kings.
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This place was home to violent
bandits, greedy lords,
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and a whole lot of death.
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[camera clicks]
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Built into the mouth of a cave
atop a 400-foot cliff,
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Predjama Castle is the largest
cave castle in the world.
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Designed in the 12th century
to be impregnable, Predjama is
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strategically located
to control a South European
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trade route vital
to the Holy Roman Empire.
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In 1274, the powerful
Lueg family takes control of
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the castle and quickly gives it
a terrifying reputation.
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It becomes a base for thieves
and mercenaries who kidnap
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local villagers and hold them
for ransom.
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Countless souls suffer and die
in its lightless dungeons
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when the ransoms
don't get paid.
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The most notorious
of Predjama's robber barons
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is the cruel Erasmus Lueg.
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Inheriting the castle
in the 1480s, he makes it
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his mission to rob the region
blind, killing or enslaving
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anyone who gets in his way.
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But in 1483,
he makes a critical mistake,
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killing a marshal
who happens to be the cousin
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of the Holy Roman Emperor
Frederick III.
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Outraged, Frederick sends
troops to Predjama
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to capture Erasmus.
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Unable to breach
the cave castle's defenses,
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they try to starve him out.
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The plan doesn't work.
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Erasmus lives a life of luxury
while under siege.
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It turns out the castle hides
a network of secret tunnels
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that allow Erasmus to smuggle in
the finest supplies.
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But the good times
don't last forever.
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After holding out for nearly
a year, Erasmus is killed
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in his castle by a well-aimed
catapult shot.
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His death ends the Lueg family
reign of terror in the region,
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but their violent
legacy remains.
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Today, Predjama Castle is
widely regarded as one
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of the most haunted places
in all of Europe.
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Visitors and guides regularly
report being followed
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by phantom footsteps, having
doors impossibly slammed shut,
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and being pushed
by unseen hands.
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Most disturbing of all,
a looming shadow figure
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shaped like a knight is often
seen stalking the castle.
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Could this be
the restless spirit
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of evil Lord Erasmus himself?
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Predjama Castle
witnessed centuries
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of villainy and misery.
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If these walls could talk,
they'd probably scream.
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So what does everybody think?
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Well, that Erasmus guy sounds
like a real piece of work.
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Oh, he's not making
your Christmas card list?
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Definitely not.
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And I'm not yet ready
to call this all paranormal.
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Because think about this place.
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It is a centuries-old castle
built into a cave.
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It is an objectively spooky
place, and that's gonna make
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people's imaginations run wild.
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And like all old castles,
there's gonna be creaks
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and groans and shadows,
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and that's what people
are reporting.
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OK, so Phil's chalking it up
to a creepy old building.
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-What about you?
-I mean, I'm going Erasmus.
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This guy seems
like one evil dude.
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He was trapped in a castle
for a year while it was
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under siege,
and then he died there.
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You couldn't get a better setup
for a malevolent haunting.
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All right, well, prove it.
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Head to Slovenia and find out
if Predjama Castle really is
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under siege
from the paranormal.
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-You got it, boss.
-We're on it.
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[Josh] It's a 12-hour flight
from New York to Ljubljana,
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Slovenia, a country nestled
between Austria and Croatia
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in Eastern Europe.
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Then it's a scenic
45-minute drive
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to the town of Postojna,
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where a winding mountain road
leads to the towering cliffside
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of Predjama Castle.
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Wow.
Welcome to Slovenia.
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Gosh, it is stunning,
isn't it?
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[Phil] So beautiful out here.
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You want to know what's
super cool about Slovenia?
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There's a salamander here.
It's called the olm.
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-Say it.
-Olm.
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[Phil] It's kind of fun to say.
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And they live deep
in the caves here.
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They're blind,
they can live 100 years,
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and they sense electricity.
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They're one of the most
incredible creatures
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on the planet.
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That's what you're most
excited about in Slovenia?
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[Phil] Yes!
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[Heather] All right,
Salamander Boy, let's just go
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find our witnesses.
-Fine.
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Let's make our way
to the castle.
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-Oh, my gosh, look.
-Wow.
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-[Phil] Unreal.
-[Heather] It's incredible.
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I see why they call it
a cave castle.
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Yeah.
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Huge.
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[Phil]
Those are our witnesses.
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[Heather]
Yeah, I think you're right.
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[mysterious music plays]
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-[Phil] Hi.
-[Heather] Nice to meet you.
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-[Phil] Nice to meet you guys.
-[Anja] Hi!
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[Phil] We're meeting
with castle guides
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Anja Skarabot
and Mateja Margon,
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who have firsthand stories
of the strange activity
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reported within Predjama's
looming walls.
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-Welcome to Predjama.
-This is amazing.
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-[Heather] Incredible.
-[Mateja] Yeah.
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And it's the biggest
cave castle in the world.
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[Phil] So what era of history
do you think stands out
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the most to you?
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[Mateja] Probably that was
the 15th century,
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when Erasmus lived here.
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He burned houses down,
took people to slavery,
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and so on, and he was killed
during a siege here.
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We've heard some stories
about how the siege ended,
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but what's the real story?
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Well, the real story is
his servant betrayed him.
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The servant, he gave a signal
with a small candle
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to the soldiers in front
of the castle when Erasmus
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was using the toilet.
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They catapulted a big stone
ball to that part of the castle
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of the castle, which collapsed
and killed Erasmus.
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[Phil] Wow.
That's how he went.
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-Pants down.
-[both laugh]
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So, we understand people have
some pretty intense,
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unexplainable experiences here.
-[Anja] Yeah.
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Local people believe this place
is haunted, and in general,
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they are afraid
of being alone here,
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especially when it's dark.
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[Mateja]
Up there, somebody saw
the small candlelight moving
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from window to window.
The castle was empty.
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Nobody was there.
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And he saw lights moving
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through the main part
of the castle.
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[Heather] Huh.
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Didn't you say that Erasmus
was killed because a servant
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put a light in the window?
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Yes.
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[Heather] And have y'all
ever seen anything?
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We have some stories
to tell, yes.
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-Let's hear them.
-It was the evening.
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I have to close the castle
all alone inside.
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So, I lock the door.
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I'm 100% sure
that nobody's there.
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-But...
-[door creaks]
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[Mateja]
I saw a shadow of a person
going down the stairs
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on the second floor.
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I thought that it was
a visitor, you know?
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He will be waiting
for me at the exit.
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But when I came down,
nobody was there.
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The whole castle was empty.
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And I had an experience
in the exact same place.
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And what was that?
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When I was closing the castle
one evening...
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And when I was at
the central part of the castle,
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I heard children voices...
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[children chattering faintly]
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[Anja]
...talking with each other.
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They were coming
from downstairs.
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When I reached the exit,
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I saw that no one was there.
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So those voices happened
in the exact same spot that
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you saw that shadow figure?
-Yes.
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All right, we're about
to head inside.
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-Any last minute advice?
-[Mateja] Just be careful.
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There's a reason
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why nobody wants to be here
alone, so good luck.
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[Phil]
We get to work setting up
security cameras
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in the castle's
most active locations,
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starting with the cave
entrances, where I think
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bat activity may help explain
the strange noises people hear.
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We also place the camera
in evil Lord Erasmus' bedroom,
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where a worker saw a light
moving through the windows
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after closing.
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-Look good in here?
-[Heather] Perfect.
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[Phil] And the second floor
stairwell, where Anja and Mateja
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reported a shadowy presence
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and the sound
of unseen children.
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We decide to begin
our investigation there.
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[ominous tone plays]
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OK, I want to get out
the parabolic mic so I can
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record all the audio happening
around here and figure out
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what direction it's coming from.
-OK.
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[Phil] OK.
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This is where Anja said
she heard children laughing.
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It's possible the noises
she heard could be caused
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by bats flying around in here.
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What else do you want to do
to investigate this area?
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[Heather]
Mateja said that she saw
that shadow figure going
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down the stairs, right?
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I've got a footstep tracker.
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It works on vibrations.
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If anything takes a step
near it, it's gonna go off
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and let us know
something's around.
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-OK, let's check it.
-[knocking]
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OK, so we're gonna
leave this here all night.
247
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We've got our IR camera on it,
so it will track and record
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if that thing goes off.
-[Phil] OK.
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[Heather] All right,
let me grab my XLS.
250
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OK...
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[Phil] All right, Heather.
I'm recording.
252
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[Heather]
Are you hearing anything?
253
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Nothing.
Just a lot of dripping water.
254
00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,900
[Heather]
Is there anyone here with us?
255
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Can you make a noise?
256
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,667
[rumbling faintly]
257
00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:09,767
I'm picking up some
low rumblings from up there.
258
00:12:09,767 --> 00:12:11,367
-[Heather] Yeah.
-You hear that, too?
259
00:12:11,533 --> 00:12:12,633
[Heather] Yeah.
260
00:12:13,867 --> 00:12:15,467
[Phil] That's the direction
of the caves, yeah?
261
00:12:19,767 --> 00:12:23,367
[Heather]
Why don't you walk up and down
this stairwell to see if that
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can trigger some activity?
-[Phil] OK.
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[device beeping]
264
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,367
[Phil] Erasmus...
265
00:12:35,533 --> 00:12:40,100
Erasmus, if you do
still live here,
266
00:12:40,266 --> 00:12:42,767
you can try and prove it to me.
267
00:12:42,767 --> 00:12:45,066
[device beeping]
268
00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,367
-[heavy thud]
-[Heather screams]
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[Phil] Oh, my God!
270
00:12:59,767 --> 00:13:01,000
[Heather]
What the hell is that?
271
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It sounded like a door.
272
00:13:07,266 --> 00:13:08,867
Is it this?
273
00:13:08,867 --> 00:13:10,467
[high-pitched slam]
274
00:13:10,633 --> 00:13:12,867
[Phil]
No, it's too much metal.
Is it this door?
275
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Let's see.
276
00:13:14,767 --> 00:13:17,000
[muffled thuds]
277
00:13:17,166 --> 00:13:18,867
-It's latched.
-[Phil] It's latched.
278
00:13:19,033 --> 00:13:20,400
[clicks open]
[creaks]
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All right.
280
00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:24,266
-[heavy thud]
-That was it.
281
00:13:24,433 --> 00:13:25,867
[Heather] That was it.
That was it.
282
00:13:26,033 --> 00:13:27,767
[Phil grunts]
283
00:13:27,767 --> 00:13:29,767
[Phil] This is not easy
to open and close.
284
00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:31,667
Let's see if it could have
been a draft or anything.
285
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,000
[Phil] This window's open.
286
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,266
This is the only open window
I've seen in the entire castle.
287
00:13:38,266 --> 00:13:40,500
Maybe a draft, but it is
a pretty open area.
288
00:13:41,567 --> 00:13:44,967
That door's heavy.
I don't know what caused that.
289
00:13:45,967 --> 00:13:47,600
[Heather] Whatever it was,
it happened right after
290
00:13:47,767 --> 00:13:49,200
you were taunting Erasmus.
291
00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:53,100
And that was a pretty
violent answer.
292
00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:54,800
So you think something
knows we're here?
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00:13:54,967 --> 00:13:56,066
Oh, yeah.
294
00:13:56,233 --> 00:13:57,867
Well, if you think
the energy led you here,
295
00:13:58,033 --> 00:13:59,367
how about you stay in here?
296
00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:01,700
I'm gonna wander around
the rest of the castle,
297
00:14:01,867 --> 00:14:05,200
because I still think I can
find some explanation for some
298
00:14:05,367 --> 00:14:07,000
of the audio anomalies
that are happening here.
299
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,000
-OK, stay on walkie.
-[Phil] OK.
300
00:14:09,967 --> 00:14:13,066
[eerie music plays]
301
00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:19,867
[soft footsteps]
302
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,000
You wanted me in here?
303
00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:26,266
I'm in here.
304
00:14:26,433 --> 00:14:27,967
I'm gonna use the Ovilus
to try and communicate.
305
00:14:35,667 --> 00:14:36,867
Is there anyone here with me?
306
00:14:39,166 --> 00:14:40,900
I heard you just slam the door.
307
00:14:43,367 --> 00:14:44,467
Can you tell me your name?
308
00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:48,367
[entity speaking]
309
00:14:48,367 --> 00:14:49,600
[Heather] Sin?
310
00:14:49,767 --> 00:14:51,667
You committed sins?
311
00:14:51,834 --> 00:14:52,900
[entity speaking]
312
00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:54,567
[Heather] Lord?
313
00:14:54,567 --> 00:14:55,800
What did you do here?
314
00:14:58,266 --> 00:14:59,667
[entity speaking]
315
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,467
[Heather] You were a raider.
316
00:15:03,467 --> 00:15:05,266
Did you used
to raid the villages?
317
00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,266
I mean, I'm beginning
to think it really could be
318
00:15:09,433 --> 00:15:11,734
Erasmus here with us.
319
00:15:14,166 --> 00:15:17,066
[Phil]
With strange noises reported
throughout the castle,
320
00:15:17,233 --> 00:15:18,900
I'm heading into
the cave section to look
321
00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:20,667
for signs of life.
322
00:15:20,667 --> 00:15:24,266
Bats, birds, even wolves
could potentially be behind
323
00:15:24,266 --> 00:15:26,600
the disembodied voices
and footsteps
324
00:15:26,767 --> 00:15:28,000
people are hearing.
325
00:15:30,467 --> 00:15:33,867
Look how much this place
opens up back here.
326
00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:37,700
This is an area of the castle
that is not open to the public.
327
00:15:37,867 --> 00:15:39,467
You know what?
I'm gonna get the Flir out.
328
00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:44,667
[beeping]
329
00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:47,934
OK.
330
00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,100
Everything right now is
showing up very blue because
331
00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:55,767
it's cold in here.
332
00:15:55,767 --> 00:15:57,734
Anything alive will pop.
333
00:16:00,266 --> 00:16:02,633
But so far, I'm not
seeing anything.
334
00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:09,100
[Heather] The Ovilus hits for,
"Lord" and, "raid" seem
to point to Erasmus,
335
00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:11,767
so I went to investigate
what was once his bedroom,
336
00:16:11,934 --> 00:16:14,066
the same room
where a worker saw a light
337
00:16:14,233 --> 00:16:16,066
moving past the windows.
338
00:16:16,233 --> 00:16:18,667
Inspired by this,
I decided to use a candle
339
00:16:18,834 --> 00:16:21,100
as a trigger object in
a call-and-response session.
340
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,867
[beeping]
341
00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,233
Is there anyone here with us?
342
00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:35,800
You can make a noise.
343
00:16:37,667 --> 00:16:38,900
You can use this REM pod.
344
00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,567
All you have to do
to answer for "Yes..."
345
00:16:42,734 --> 00:16:44,934
-[device beeping]
-...touch the antenna.
346
00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,266
Are you the servant
that betrayed Erasmus?
347
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,867
Is Erasmus in the room
with us right now?
348
00:17:02,467 --> 00:17:05,266
Earlier, I got, "raid"
on the Ovilus.
349
00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:08,867
Did you raid the caravans?
350
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,800
[beeping]
351
00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:16,166
OK.
352
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,700
Did you murder a lot of people?
353
00:17:23,567 --> 00:17:25,100
[beeping]
354
00:17:31,066 --> 00:17:32,867
[Phil] Gotta be bats
flying around here.
355
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,400
[crashing]
356
00:17:38,867 --> 00:17:40,367
Up there, up there!
357
00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:44,567
[soft footsteps]
358
00:17:44,734 --> 00:17:46,700
Something is moving up here.
359
00:17:49,166 --> 00:17:51,400
[ominous tone plays]
360
00:17:55,767 --> 00:17:57,266
Oh, it goes way back there.
361
00:18:04,367 --> 00:18:07,266
Whoa!
Oh, [bleep]!
362
00:18:07,433 --> 00:18:09,166
Huge heat signature.
363
00:18:09,333 --> 00:18:10,567
Right back there,
right back there.
364
00:18:12,166 --> 00:18:13,266
What the hell is that?
365
00:18:18,066 --> 00:18:19,867
Heather, Heather, you there?
366
00:18:20,033 --> 00:18:21,400
Yeah, I copy.
What's up?
367
00:18:21,567 --> 00:18:24,300
[Phil] I just got a major
heat signature in the cave.
368
00:18:24,467 --> 00:18:26,200
There's something big
moving around up here.
369
00:18:26,367 --> 00:18:27,667
-Get up here now!
-[Heather] Copy that, yeah.
370
00:18:27,834 --> 00:18:28,800
On my way.
371
00:18:35,367 --> 00:18:38,000
-Phil?
-[Phil] Up here, up here.
372
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,800
Check this out.
373
00:18:39,967 --> 00:18:43,300
It's right around this corner.
Look at those stairs
374
00:18:43,467 --> 00:18:45,500
going up.
375
00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:48,300
These look much older
than the other infraestructure
376
00:18:48,467 --> 00:18:49,467
in this cave.
377
00:18:50,967 --> 00:18:52,567
That's it on the thermal
right now.
378
00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:57,467
So, based on where I was down
there, whatever I saw was going
379
00:18:57,633 --> 00:18:59,266
up here
380
00:18:59,266 --> 00:19:00,500
to the left, that way.
381
00:19:02,367 --> 00:19:03,467
OK, here we go.
382
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,467
Oh, wow!
383
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,767
It either goes that way...
384
00:19:12,934 --> 00:19:15,166
or it goes up.
385
00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:16,800
Wow, it really goes up!
386
00:19:18,266 --> 00:19:20,000
[distant thud]
387
00:19:20,166 --> 00:19:23,467
-Did you hear that?
-Ooh, OK, yeah.
388
00:19:23,633 --> 00:19:26,567
[Heather]
It makes sense that activity
would draw us up here.
389
00:19:26,734 --> 00:19:28,767
This has got to be a passage
that Erasmus took
390
00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:31,100
out of the castle.
-[Phil] It's got to be.
391
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,500
If we get to the top of this
passage, I think we're going
392
00:19:34,667 --> 00:19:35,867
to find some answers.
393
00:19:36,033 --> 00:19:38,367
OK, let's follow his path
to survival.
394
00:19:38,367 --> 00:19:39,700
See what we find up there.
395
00:19:44,467 --> 00:19:45,800
All right.
396
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,467
Ooh!
397
00:19:49,667 --> 00:19:51,367
This is one hell of a passage.
398
00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:54,567
[Heather]
What's it look like up there?
399
00:19:54,734 --> 00:19:56,667
There's another chamber
up here.
400
00:19:56,834 --> 00:19:58,166
And it keeps going up.
401
00:19:59,367 --> 00:20:01,567
Do you see any evidence
of what we heard?
402
00:20:01,567 --> 00:20:03,066
[Phil] Nothing yet.
403
00:20:03,233 --> 00:20:04,367
[Heather]
All right, here I come.
404
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,567
[Phil grunts]
405
00:20:09,567 --> 00:20:11,567
-[Phil] You good?
-[Heather] Yeah.
406
00:20:12,567 --> 00:20:15,100
-Oh, that is a tiny passage.
-[Phil] Yeah.
407
00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:20,100
Starting to see leaves,
which tells me
408
00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,900
we might be close.
409
00:20:22,066 --> 00:20:23,967
[Philip grunts]
[crashes]
410
00:20:24,133 --> 00:20:25,100
[Heather] Phil!
411
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,100
[mysterious music plays]
412
00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:32,467
[Heather] Phil!
413
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,400
-Are you OK?
-[Phil] Oh, yeah.
414
00:20:36,567 --> 00:20:38,367
I'm good.
I'm good.
415
00:20:38,367 --> 00:20:39,967
[Heather sighs]
416
00:20:40,133 --> 00:20:42,900
[Phil] A lot of leaves.
They're really slippery.
417
00:20:43,066 --> 00:20:44,467
Watch your step.
418
00:20:44,633 --> 00:20:46,066
OK.
419
00:20:46,233 --> 00:20:47,867
What do you see?
420
00:20:48,033 --> 00:20:51,667
-I think I see the sky.
-[Heather] Thank God.
421
00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:53,967
[Phil grunts]
422
00:20:54,133 --> 00:20:55,467
[Phil] Whoo!
423
00:20:55,633 --> 00:20:57,767
-Oh, my God.
-[Heather] You clear?
424
00:20:57,934 --> 00:20:59,767
Clear.
425
00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:01,700
This last part's
pretty tricky.
426
00:21:01,867 --> 00:21:02,867
-[Heather] Yeah.
-[Phil] Grab my wrist.
427
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,133
Oh, God.
428
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,266
Anything waiting
for us up here?
429
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,500
I'm not seeing any movement.
430
00:21:15,667 --> 00:21:17,166
No, I don't hear
anything either.
431
00:21:19,166 --> 00:21:21,367
The activities seem to draw us
out of the castle
432
00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:23,100
and into those caves.
433
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:25,100
I think if we want to
understand Predjama Castle,
434
00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:27,667
we have to learn more
about those caves.
435
00:21:27,834 --> 00:21:29,967
-[Phil] OK, it is getting late.
-Let's head back.
436
00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:40,166
[Heather]
Hoping to learn more about
the cave system attached
437
00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:42,600
to Predjama, I set out
the next morning to meet
438
00:21:42,767 --> 00:21:44,300
with an old friend.
439
00:21:44,467 --> 00:21:46,300
Marco, so good
to see you again.
440
00:21:46,467 --> 00:21:48,000
Yes, indeed.
441
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,667
Marco Visconti, is an occult
expert who helped us
442
00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:53,266
investigate France's
Beast of Gévaudan.
443
00:21:54,567 --> 00:21:57,767
Help me understand what caves
represented in traditional
444
00:21:57,767 --> 00:21:59,000
Slavic culture.
445
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,800
In Slavic folklore, caves are
connected with a fundamental
446
00:22:03,967 --> 00:22:05,700
figure, the god Veles.
447
00:22:07,166 --> 00:22:10,300
He wasn't just like
the god of the underworld.
448
00:22:10,467 --> 00:22:12,900
He was seen
as the underworld itself.
449
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,300
[Heather]
How would that manifest?
450
00:22:15,467 --> 00:22:18,166
Veles was represented
as a dragon.
451
00:22:19,467 --> 00:22:22,100
In the caves, especially
here in Predjama, we find
452
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:25,467
this strange creature,
the olm salamander.
453
00:22:25,467 --> 00:22:26,433
They exist only here.
454
00:22:26,433 --> 00:22:28,567
They don't exist anywhere else
in the world.
455
00:22:28,567 --> 00:22:31,400
And the olm salamanders
were seen as
456
00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:35,567
baby dragons, the offsprings,
the physical manifestation
457
00:22:35,567 --> 00:22:37,867
of the dragon god Veles.
458
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:43,266
If we find these olm
salamanders, then we're
459
00:22:43,266 --> 00:22:45,967
literally finding evidence
of the god Veles?
460
00:22:46,133 --> 00:22:47,867
Old Slavic people
would say yes.
461
00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:50,967
Remember, the dragons are seen
across cultures as hoarders
462
00:22:51,133 --> 00:22:52,800
of wealth, the hoarders
of secrets.
463
00:22:52,967 --> 00:22:56,600
And so, Veles wasn't just
the god of the underworld.
464
00:22:56,767 --> 00:22:59,467
It was also the god of wealth.
465
00:22:59,633 --> 00:23:03,100
Do you think that someone
that lived in the castle,
466
00:23:03,266 --> 00:23:06,266
say, Erasmus, would have tried
to harness this power?
467
00:23:06,266 --> 00:23:08,400
I think the chances
are pretty high.
468
00:23:08,567 --> 00:23:11,767
He would have used a magician,
a shaman, to appease Veles
469
00:23:11,934 --> 00:23:14,000
and to build
a relationship with him.
470
00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:15,867
Do you think that that would
affect the activity
471
00:23:16,033 --> 00:23:17,300
that's happening today?
472
00:23:17,467 --> 00:23:18,800
[Marco]
I have no doubts about it.
473
00:23:18,967 --> 00:23:21,867
Every time you conduct
a magical ritual somewhere,
474
00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:23,467
you will leave an imprint.
475
00:23:23,467 --> 00:23:25,467
I think there's no doubt
that there is a connection
476
00:23:25,633 --> 00:23:26,934
between the two.
477
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,667
[Phil]
While Heather delves deeper
into Slovenia's legends
478
00:23:30,834 --> 00:23:33,900
and lore, I head a few miles
east to the entrance
479
00:23:34,066 --> 00:23:35,567
of Pivka Cave.
480
00:23:35,567 --> 00:23:38,000
Connected to Predjama's
catacombs, I'm meeting
481
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,567
a witness who said she had
a very strange experience here.
482
00:23:42,767 --> 00:23:46,000
Karin Kapelj is a local student
who grew up exploring
483
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,100
the caves, but a recent
experience left her terrified
484
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:51,200
to return until today.
485
00:23:51,367 --> 00:23:52,300
Walk me through it.
486
00:23:52,467 --> 00:23:54,900
What happened
to you back there?
487
00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:57,200
Me and my friends were just
scoping out the place.
488
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,266
I wandered off and I was lost
all of a sudden
489
00:24:01,266 --> 00:24:02,867
and I was alone.
490
00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:06,667
I didn't know
where I was at that point.
491
00:24:06,834 --> 00:24:08,367
[Phil] Please tell me you had
a light at least.
492
00:24:08,533 --> 00:24:10,500
I did have a very small light.
493
00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:12,166
OK.
494
00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:15,867
As I was looking around,
I saw a shadowy figure.
495
00:24:17,367 --> 00:24:21,867
I know it wasn't human by how
it was moving, floating around.
496
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,800
First I saw just one,
497
00:24:24,967 --> 00:24:27,266
and then there was
multiple of them.
498
00:24:28,166 --> 00:24:31,367
And I didn't just see them,
I actually heard them.
499
00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:34,567
-What did you hear?
-[Karin] Footsteps.
500
00:24:34,734 --> 00:24:35,700
They were like this.
501
00:24:36,667 --> 00:24:40,066
Not like a normal
boot or a sneaker.
502
00:24:40,233 --> 00:24:41,967
It was somebody
503
00:24:42,133 --> 00:24:43,300
stomping.
504
00:24:44,567 --> 00:24:48,200
First it was one here
and there, but then it was like
505
00:24:48,367 --> 00:24:51,300
multiple of them,
and they were going faster.
506
00:24:51,467 --> 00:24:53,166
[Phil] Were they interacting
with you?
507
00:24:53,166 --> 00:24:55,100
Do you think they were getting
closer to you?
508
00:24:55,266 --> 00:24:57,100
It looked like they were
taunting me.
509
00:24:58,166 --> 00:25:00,800
I was ignoring it.
I was closing my eyes.
510
00:25:00,967 --> 00:25:03,400
And the more I was ignoring
them, the more they wanted me
511
00:25:03,567 --> 00:25:07,600
to see them, to hear them.
I was truly terrified.
512
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:11,500
But your friends were
in the cave,
513
00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:13,066
potentially not too far away.
514
00:25:13,233 --> 00:25:15,300
Could it have been
their footsteps that you were
515
00:25:15,467 --> 00:25:17,900
hearing just bouncing around
the cave walls?
516
00:25:18,066 --> 00:25:19,900
When they found me,
they told me they were
517
00:25:20,066 --> 00:25:22,500
searching for me for two hours.
518
00:25:22,667 --> 00:25:24,266
They were calling me
the whole time.
519
00:25:24,433 --> 00:25:28,400
These shadows didn't make
any sounds except these steps.
520
00:25:28,567 --> 00:25:31,166
When I finally heard my friends
calling out my name,
521
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:33,500
I was
522
00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:35,100
so grateful.
523
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,000
[Phil]
What did you tell them?
524
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,166
I didn't tell them anything.
525
00:25:41,567 --> 00:25:42,800
Why didn't you tell anyone?
526
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,467
I didn't want them to think
that I'm crazy or something.
527
00:25:46,467 --> 00:25:47,600
Hm.
528
00:25:47,767 --> 00:25:49,467
[Karin] I hope maybe...
529
00:25:49,467 --> 00:25:53,567
if somebody sees this
and has a similar experience,
530
00:25:53,567 --> 00:25:56,767
because people don't talk about
this here, I hope that somebody
531
00:25:56,767 --> 00:25:59,066
else can tell me that
that happened to them, too.
532
00:26:01,367 --> 00:26:03,500
[Heather]
Phil's meeting with a witness
that had an experience
533
00:26:03,667 --> 00:26:04,800
inside Pivka Cave.
534
00:26:04,967 --> 00:26:06,400
Do you think that would be
a good spot to get
535
00:26:06,567 --> 00:26:08,166
some answers?
-Absolutely.
536
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,500
The cave system is really,
in my opinion, the nexus
537
00:26:12,667 --> 00:26:15,567
of power for all the paranormal
activity in the area.
538
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,166
Whatever you were experiencing
in the castle, it finds
539
00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:21,800
its source in the cave.
540
00:26:21,967 --> 00:26:25,100
There's a series of rituals
that you can use to open
541
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,867
yourself to communication
with Veles.
542
00:26:28,033 --> 00:26:31,300
Once you've found the correct
spot, there is this place
543
00:26:31,467 --> 00:26:34,600
inside Pivka Cave
called "the Black Cave."
544
00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,867
-[Heather] Black Cave?
-Yes.
545
00:26:36,867 --> 00:26:40,800
That area was used
as a ritual site.
546
00:26:40,967 --> 00:26:44,900
So what's the most effective
way to communicate with Veles?
547
00:26:45,066 --> 00:26:47,266
I would conduct a little
ritual of appeasement.
548
00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:50,600
When you go there, you will see
two places pillars that create
549
00:26:50,767 --> 00:26:52,967
what seems like an entrance.
550
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,767
That would be the place where
I would conduct this ritual
551
00:26:56,767 --> 00:26:58,400
and try to connect with them.
552
00:26:58,567 --> 00:27:00,300
Marco, thank you so much
for meeting with me again.
553
00:27:00,467 --> 00:27:02,133
Thank you.
It's been a pleasure.
554
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,767
[Heather] The Black Cave lies
four miles east of Predjama,
555
00:27:07,767 --> 00:27:10,600
and according to Marco,
it could be what's channeling
556
00:27:10,767 --> 00:27:13,567
Veles' energy to the castle
through its connected
557
00:27:13,734 --> 00:27:15,367
subterranean caverns.
558
00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:18,000
To find out, Phil and I will
follow the underground
559
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,667
Pivka River until the walls
turn black, coated in soot
560
00:27:21,667 --> 00:27:24,300
from the fires
of ancient rituals.
561
00:27:24,467 --> 00:27:27,100
Unfortunately for Phil,
that means he's gonna be
562
00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:30,100
lugging our inflatable raft
until we find the river.
563
00:27:30,266 --> 00:27:33,266
[Phil] And the boat!
All right, let's go.
564
00:27:38,567 --> 00:27:41,100
[ominous tone plays]
565
00:27:43,066 --> 00:27:44,467
[Heather] Stunning!
566
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,400
Wow!
567
00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:51,667
[Phil] These must have taken
millions of years to form.
568
00:27:53,667 --> 00:27:54,767
Wow!
569
00:27:55,767 --> 00:27:56,967
[Heather] Oh, my God!
570
00:27:57,133 --> 00:27:58,700
[Phil] Look at the size
of this cavern!
571
00:27:59,867 --> 00:28:02,000
And we have stalagmites
right overhead.
572
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,667
[Heather]
Yeah, major formations.
573
00:28:03,834 --> 00:28:05,567
[Phil]
And you hear what I'm hearing?
574
00:28:05,734 --> 00:28:06,734
[Heather] River!
575
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,100
[Phil] So this is the river
that carved out
576
00:28:11,266 --> 00:28:12,467
this entire cave system.
577
00:28:12,633 --> 00:28:14,667
But, hey, we got to make sure
we're in the right spot.
578
00:28:14,834 --> 00:28:16,266
We have to find those olms.
579
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:17,567
Yeah, find the baby dragons,
580
00:28:17,734 --> 00:28:18,967
and we're hot on
the trail of Veles.
581
00:28:19,133 --> 00:28:20,500
[Phil]
All right, let's do this.
582
00:28:22,967 --> 00:28:25,967
So, look for something
white about a foot long.
583
00:28:26,133 --> 00:28:27,100
[Heather] OK.
584
00:28:29,567 --> 00:28:31,567
[Phil] Wait, right there.
Look!
585
00:28:31,734 --> 00:28:33,767
-There it is!
-[Heather] Oh, wow!
586
00:28:33,767 --> 00:28:34,900
[Phil] We found one!
587
00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:36,700
That is my first baby dragon
I've ever seen.
588
00:28:36,867 --> 00:28:39,967
-[Heather] Mine too.
-[Phil] Absolutely incredible!
589
00:28:40,133 --> 00:28:43,800
I love how the geology
and the biology has shaped
590
00:28:43,967 --> 00:28:45,600
the culture
of this entire country.
591
00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:47,200
[Heather]
Yeah, it's all tied together.
592
00:28:47,367 --> 00:28:48,767
Baby dragon marks the spot.
593
00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:50,300
That means Black Cave
must be this way.
594
00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:52,066
OK, let's put
that boat together.
595
00:28:52,233 --> 00:28:53,300
OK.
596
00:28:55,767 --> 00:28:57,734
[pump blowing]
597
00:29:00,266 --> 00:29:02,900
[ominous music plays]
598
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:10,500
[Phil] Here we go.
599
00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:14,367
[Heather]
Next stop, Black Cave.
600
00:29:17,667 --> 00:29:20,333
[water sloshing softly]
601
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,100
[Phil] Wow!
602
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,867
[gushing rises]
603
00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:29,900
You hearing that?
604
00:29:30,066 --> 00:29:31,066
It sounds loud.
605
00:29:33,066 --> 00:29:34,367
[Phil]
It is getting louder.
606
00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:37,467
Are those rapids.
607
00:29:37,633 --> 00:29:38,600
Oh my god, they are.
608
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,367
-We gotta go for it.
-OK, let's go for it.
609
00:29:42,533 --> 00:29:44,367
All right.
Here we go!
610
00:29:45,567 --> 00:29:46,800
[Heather] Easy.
611
00:29:48,166 --> 00:29:49,266
Easy.
612
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,667
-[Phil] Go, go, go, push.
-[Heather grunts]
613
00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,166
[Phil] Push, push!
614
00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:55,767
[Heather] Left, left.
Rock ahead.
615
00:29:57,166 --> 00:29:58,767
-[Phil] Go, go, go, go!
-[Heather] Push, push, push!
616
00:29:58,934 --> 00:30:00,000
Left, left, left!
617
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Watch it! Watch it!
Watch it!
618
00:30:03,867 --> 00:30:06,000
[mysterious music plays]
619
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,767
[Heather] Left, left, left!
620
00:30:07,934 --> 00:30:10,700
[Heather and Phil groaning]
621
00:30:10,867 --> 00:30:12,166
[Phil] You good?
622
00:30:13,166 --> 00:30:14,400
[Heather] Let's take a break.
623
00:30:14,567 --> 00:30:15,667
[Phil]
See a sport for us to land?
624
00:30:15,834 --> 00:30:18,300
[Heather]
I think right here,
up on the right.
625
00:30:18,467 --> 00:30:21,467
[Heather and Phil grunting]
626
00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:24,200
[Phil] OK.
We're good!
627
00:30:24,367 --> 00:30:25,500
[Heather sighs]
628
00:30:27,066 --> 00:30:29,667
-You see what I'm seeing?
-Ha! Black rock.
629
00:30:29,667 --> 00:30:32,867
[Phil] Yes.
This must be it.
630
00:30:34,367 --> 00:30:35,900
-Let's go.
-[Heather] All right.
631
00:30:36,867 --> 00:30:38,567
-Thanks.
-[Phil] All right,
let's do this.
632
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,667
[Phil] Jeez, look at these
formations.
633
00:30:42,834 --> 00:30:44,400
Incredible!
634
00:30:46,867 --> 00:30:48,000
[Heather] Oh, look!
635
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,500
Marco said there'd be
two columns.
636
00:30:49,667 --> 00:30:51,567
-[Phil] There's got to be them.
-[Heather] Let's get up there.
637
00:30:51,567 --> 00:30:52,867
[Phil] Yeah, let's do it.
638
00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:56,834
Wow.
639
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,767
I can't even begin to guess
how old these columns must be.
640
00:31:01,767 --> 00:31:03,900
Unbelievable.
641
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:06,867
Wow!
642
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:09,266
Heather, get over here.
Look at this.
643
00:31:10,367 --> 00:31:13,266
-Is that what I think it is?
-[Heather] Oh, wow.
644
00:31:13,433 --> 00:31:15,000
-That's charred wood.
-Yes!
645
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:17,767
[Phil] Unreal.
646
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,967
I mean, think of how far back
we are in this game.
647
00:31:22,133 --> 00:31:23,967
No one would come back here
just to light a little
648
00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:28,100
campfire, like the only reason
why we would find charred wood
649
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,166
here is because this is
the place where people
650
00:31:31,166 --> 00:31:32,367
did rituals.
651
00:31:32,533 --> 00:31:35,000
Yeah, if people were coming
here for hundreds of years
652
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,767
and doing rituals, that will
leave an imprint on this space.
653
00:31:38,767 --> 00:31:41,667
Well, it certainly left
a visual imprint.
654
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,900
-We'll see about the other.
-[Heather] I've got an idea.
655
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,500
If this chamber really is
where shamans of the past
656
00:31:48,667 --> 00:31:50,800
communicated with Veles,
we could be standing
657
00:31:50,967 --> 00:31:53,300
in the source of all
the paranormal activity
658
00:31:53,467 --> 00:31:55,100
affecting Predjama Castle.
659
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:57,867
Whether or not Veles exists,
they clearly summoned
660
00:31:58,033 --> 00:31:59,667
some kind of energy here.
661
00:31:59,834 --> 00:32:03,467
So I want to try to do the same
with the ritual Marco gave me.
662
00:32:03,633 --> 00:32:05,200
[Phil] OK, so I see lights.
663
00:32:05,367 --> 00:32:07,967
Right, because it's incredibly
important to bring light back
664
00:32:08,133 --> 00:32:10,567
into the cave for Veles.
-The dragon?
665
00:32:10,567 --> 00:32:13,200
-[Heather] Focus object.
-[Phil] And what's in that?
666
00:32:13,367 --> 00:32:15,000
[Heather] Coins.
It's an offering.
667
00:32:15,166 --> 00:32:17,166
Not only is Veles the god
of the underworld, but he's also
668
00:32:17,333 --> 00:32:18,567
the god of wealth.
669
00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:21,467
And we all know that Erasmus
was greedy, so this could
670
00:32:21,467 --> 00:32:23,700
trigger him as well.
-[Phil] OK.
671
00:32:23,867 --> 00:32:27,066
[Heather]
To try to open communication
with Veles, I read an old
672
00:32:27,233 --> 00:32:28,867
Slavic incantation.
673
00:32:28,867 --> 00:32:31,600
Phil arranges four lights
in the cardinal directions
674
00:32:31,767 --> 00:32:35,900
and will turn on each one as
I call out to the ancient god.
675
00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:37,900
-You ready?
-Ready.
676
00:32:38,066 --> 00:32:39,066
[Heather] OK.
677
00:32:40,467 --> 00:32:42,700
"I seek the one
who dwells below.
678
00:32:45,567 --> 00:32:47,166
"Veles,
679
00:32:47,166 --> 00:32:50,867
"great serpent of the deep,
guardian of the dead,
680
00:32:51,033 --> 00:32:55,200
"come forth from the deep root,
uncoil your wisdom.
681
00:32:55,367 --> 00:32:56,967
"Let your breath
pass through me.
682
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,266
I offer wealth that you may
grant your presence here."
683
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,767
[clinking]
684
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,667
Hopefully, now
the communication is open.
685
00:33:15,834 --> 00:33:17,567
We're going to do
the Estes Method.
686
00:33:17,734 --> 00:33:19,900
I'm going to put myself in
a state of sensory deprivation
687
00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:21,867
to see if Veles can use me
as an instrument
688
00:33:21,867 --> 00:33:23,367
for communication.
689
00:33:23,533 --> 00:33:26,166
So, any word that pops into my
head, any image, I'm just gonna
690
00:33:26,166 --> 00:33:28,767
speak it out loud and see if it
connects with your questions.
691
00:33:28,934 --> 00:33:30,767
I'm gonna set this recorder
down just in case we get
692
00:33:30,934 --> 00:33:31,867
any EVPs.
693
00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:34,600
[suspenseful music builds]
694
00:33:34,767 --> 00:33:36,367
OK.
695
00:33:36,367 --> 00:33:38,567
These are noise-canceling
and we'll play white noise,
696
00:33:38,567 --> 00:33:40,367
so I'll be able to hear
absolutely nothing.
697
00:33:40,533 --> 00:33:42,166
[Phil] OK.
698
00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:45,300
[suspenseful music plays]
699
00:33:52,467 --> 00:33:54,166
[exhales]
700
00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:57,000
[Phil] Hello.
701
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,300
Heather.
702
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:02,300
She can't hear anything.
She can't see anything.
703
00:34:02,467 --> 00:34:03,467
I'm going to begin.
704
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:06,667
Is Veles here right now?
705
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,467
How is the activity
at Predjama Castle connected
706
00:34:16,467 --> 00:34:17,567
to the activity done here?
707
00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:22,100
Money.
708
00:34:22,266 --> 00:34:23,467
Money.
709
00:34:23,633 --> 00:34:24,567
Offering.
710
00:34:25,467 --> 00:34:27,400
So it was money
that they offered Veles.
711
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:33,266
-Fire.
-[Phil] Money and fire.
712
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,367
What happened
in Predjama Castle?
713
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:44,433
-Pain.
-Pain.
714
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:48,000
War.
715
00:34:49,867 --> 00:34:50,967
[Phil] So there was war.
716
00:34:52,767 --> 00:34:54,600
Are you the one that slammed
the door last night?
717
00:34:54,767 --> 00:34:58,066
-Me.
-You scared us pretty good.
718
00:34:58,233 --> 00:34:59,500
Did you like that?
719
00:35:03,066 --> 00:35:04,166
[Heather] Yes.
720
00:35:05,667 --> 00:35:07,767
So you like scaring people.
721
00:35:07,934 --> 00:35:10,166
Why?
722
00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:13,266
-Anger.
-[Phil] Anger.
723
00:35:13,266 --> 00:35:14,367
OK.
724
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,100
What are you angry about?
725
00:35:19,567 --> 00:35:20,767
[Heather] Dead.
726
00:35:22,567 --> 00:35:25,100
Someone is angry
that they are dead?
727
00:35:25,266 --> 00:35:26,867
Yes.
728
00:35:26,867 --> 00:35:28,567
[Phil] That is crazy.
729
00:35:32,667 --> 00:35:37,100
500 years after evil Lord
Erasmus used the Postojna Caves
730
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:40,367
to resist the siege,
the caves would be weaponized
731
00:35:40,533 --> 00:35:43,567
once more, this time
against the Nazis.
732
00:35:43,567 --> 00:35:47,867
April 24, 1944,
the occupying German forces
733
00:35:47,867 --> 00:35:51,700
have concealed a vital fuel
depot deep within the caves,
734
00:35:51,867 --> 00:35:55,166
protecting it from Allied
bombers, but not from brave
735
00:35:55,333 --> 00:35:56,767
resistance fighters.
736
00:35:56,767 --> 00:36:01,367
Led by 22-year-old Tadeusz
Sadowski, a band of saboteurs
737
00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:04,266
from the local Vojko Brigade
uses their deep knowledge
738
00:36:04,433 --> 00:36:08,166
of the caves to infiltrate
the depot undetected.
739
00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:12,100
They then set charges and sneak
out just in time to make
740
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:15,500
1,200 barrels of fuel go boom!
741
00:36:15,667 --> 00:36:18,266
The resulting inferno
rages for a week,
742
00:36:18,266 --> 00:36:20,667
crippling the Nazi
supply lines.
743
00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:24,200
Today, soot-stained and a
commemorative plaque mark
744
00:36:24,367 --> 00:36:28,767
this audacious act of resistance
in the caves of Predjama Castle.
745
00:36:32,367 --> 00:36:34,800
[mysterious music plays]
746
00:36:34,967 --> 00:36:36,266
[Phil] So...
747
00:36:36,433 --> 00:36:37,867
acknowledging you're dead,
748
00:36:38,033 --> 00:36:39,700
and that's what
you're angry about?
749
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,767
Were you killed
at Predjama Castle?
750
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:48,066
Erasmus?
751
00:36:48,233 --> 00:36:49,500
Let's say this is you.
752
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:51,800
Could you tell us more?
753
00:36:54,667 --> 00:36:55,767
[Heather] Freedom.
754
00:36:56,667 --> 00:36:59,767
[Phil] You were trapped
in that castle,
755
00:36:59,934 --> 00:37:02,900
surrounded for a year.
We went through a passage.
756
00:37:03,066 --> 00:37:04,300
Was that your way to freedom?
757
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,767
What did you hope to gain
758
00:37:10,867 --> 00:37:12,667
by sending a shaman here?
-Power.
759
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:17,867
Ooh!
760
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,700
So, there are bats in here.
761
00:37:23,467 --> 00:37:24,967
Gone.
762
00:37:26,467 --> 00:37:28,266
[mysterious exhalation]
763
00:37:31,467 --> 00:37:33,867
[Phil]
What the [bleep] was that?
764
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,767
It sounded like a breath.
765
00:37:38,934 --> 00:37:40,667
[Heather exhales]
766
00:37:41,567 --> 00:37:43,367
That is crazy.
767
00:37:43,533 --> 00:37:45,700
It just sounded like
there was a breath.
768
00:37:45,867 --> 00:37:48,166
Moments later, she just did
a big exhale.
769
00:37:50,867 --> 00:37:52,100
What?
770
00:37:53,467 --> 00:37:55,200
-Did you just tap me?
-[Phil] No!
771
00:37:55,367 --> 00:37:57,400
-I didn't tap you.
-You didn't just tap me.
772
00:37:57,567 --> 00:37:58,800
[Phil] No.
773
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,800
[Heather]
It felt like you were trying
to get my attention.
774
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:02,300
-[Phil] What?
-Yes!
775
00:38:03,567 --> 00:38:08,100
I just heard what sounded like
a breath coming from the cave,
776
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,467
a second later,
you let out a big...
777
00:38:10,467 --> 00:38:11,967
[exhales sharply]
778
00:38:12,133 --> 00:38:13,567
...exhale.
-That's weird.
779
00:38:13,567 --> 00:38:15,467
[Phil] Yes!
780
00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:18,367
-So you couldn't hear me at all?
-[Heather] No.
781
00:38:18,367 --> 00:38:22,100
[Phil] It was oddly specific.
782
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,567
Literally, you said,
"Erasmus sent someone here
783
00:38:25,734 --> 00:38:27,967
for power."
-[Heather] No way, really?
784
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:30,166
[Phil] And I said, "OK,
what did you leave here?"
785
00:38:30,333 --> 00:38:32,900
-And then you said, "Fire."
-That's so creepy.
786
00:38:33,066 --> 00:38:35,000
It was almost as if I was
talking to Erasmus.
787
00:38:36,367 --> 00:38:37,600
That's incredible.
788
00:38:37,767 --> 00:38:39,300
I mean, it was just words
popping into my head and
789
00:38:39,467 --> 00:38:41,600
I was just saying them.
-[Phil] Wow.
790
00:38:41,767 --> 00:38:43,900
And hey, we've got this
recording of everything.
791
00:38:44,066 --> 00:38:45,567
We've already gotten
some answers.
792
00:38:45,567 --> 00:38:46,934
I think this will hold more.
793
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:51,166
[Josh]
Were Phil and Heather really
in contact with the spirit
794
00:38:51,166 --> 00:38:52,567
of evil Lord Erasmus?
795
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,400
I gave what I can to
the dragon of stone water,
796
00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:58,500
and I inscribe that the gates
remain open.
797
00:38:58,667 --> 00:39:00,467
May they arise renewed.
798
00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:02,100
[Phil] Done.
799
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,667
[Josh] After Heather closed
the ritual, the team left
800
00:39:04,667 --> 00:39:08,467
the confines of the Black Cave
behind to begin reviewing
801
00:39:08,467 --> 00:39:11,300
the mountain of evidence
they collected at the castle.
802
00:39:13,767 --> 00:39:15,900
While Heather was doing
a call-and-response
803
00:39:16,066 --> 00:39:18,000
in the third-floor bedroom...
804
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,266
Did you murder a lot
of people?
805
00:39:20,266 --> 00:39:22,100
[Josh]
She got a positive REM pod hit
806
00:39:22,266 --> 00:39:23,867
when she mentioned "murder."
807
00:39:24,033 --> 00:39:25,567
[device beeping]
808
00:39:25,734 --> 00:39:27,000
Yeah.
809
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,967
[Josh] But there was something
else shocking
810
00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:30,467
she didn't realize.
811
00:39:30,633 --> 00:39:33,567
At that exact moment
on the second-floor stairs,
812
00:39:33,567 --> 00:39:35,700
the footstep tracker
was going off.
813
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,200
Heather wonders whether she was
communicating with Erasmus
814
00:39:41,367 --> 00:39:44,367
or perhaps the servant
who betrayed him and then fled
815
00:39:44,533 --> 00:39:45,500
the scene of the crime.
816
00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:48,967
But Phil also heard
and saw evidence
817
00:39:49,133 --> 00:39:51,467
that he found very telling.
818
00:39:51,467 --> 00:39:53,000
A bunch of bats.
819
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,166
[Phil] Ooh!
820
00:39:54,166 --> 00:39:57,266
He believes the large amount
of bat activity we captured
821
00:39:57,266 --> 00:40:00,700
throughout Predjama can explain
the reports of so-called
822
00:40:00,867 --> 00:40:03,700
"children's laughter"
and strange ghostly voices
823
00:40:03,867 --> 00:40:05,100
that are regularly reported.
824
00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:06,300
[ghostly child screams]
825
00:40:06,467 --> 00:40:07,600
-[Josh] In reply...
-[door slams]
826
00:40:07,767 --> 00:40:09,066
-That was it.
-[Heather] That was it.
827
00:40:09,233 --> 00:40:11,467
[Josh]...Heather points out,
no bat has the strength
828
00:40:11,633 --> 00:40:13,500
to slam a door.
829
00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:15,867
The most astonishing evidence,
though, would come not
830
00:40:15,867 --> 00:40:17,767
from the castle,
but from the massive
831
00:40:17,767 --> 00:40:19,400
cave system its connected to.
832
00:40:19,567 --> 00:40:20,967
[Heather] Veles.
833
00:40:20,967 --> 00:40:24,700
[Josh]
During Heather's incantation,
to Veles, she spoke the phrase,
834
00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:26,800
"Let your breath pass
through me."
835
00:40:26,967 --> 00:40:28,567
Let your breath pass
through me.
836
00:40:31,567 --> 00:40:33,600
[mysterious exhalation]
837
00:40:33,767 --> 00:40:35,266
[Heather exhales]
838
00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:36,700
[Phil]
What the [bleep] was that?
839
00:40:36,867 --> 00:40:40,100
[Josh]
Which seemed to then literally
happen after Phil heard
840
00:40:40,266 --> 00:40:43,300
a disembodied breath
somewhere in the chamber.
841
00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:47,100
With Heather as a conduit,
was Phil somehow communicating
842
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:51,000
with the god Veles, or was it
instead with Predjama's
843
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,567
notorious Lord Erasmus?
844
00:40:53,734 --> 00:40:56,800
Heather reviewed the audio
recording of her Estes session
845
00:40:56,967 --> 00:40:58,767
and believes
she found the answer.
846
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,166
[gnarled mumbling]
847
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:05,533
[Josh] She identifies
the word "izdal..."
848
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,967
[Josh]
...Slovenian for "betrayed."
849
00:41:11,467 --> 00:41:14,700
After the siege and betrayal
that led to his violent death,
850
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,100
is Erasmus still unwilling
to give up his castle
851
00:41:19,266 --> 00:41:21,100
more than 700 years later?
852
00:41:22,166 --> 00:41:25,567
Heather is convinced the evil
Lord still spectrally sits
853
00:41:25,567 --> 00:41:29,000
on the ominous throne
of Predjama Castle.
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