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It's 12 o'clock,
and here on BBC Radio Cumbria,
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the midday news
headlines... a confrontation
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with antinuclear campaigners.
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I got sunshine
on a cloudy day.
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Go on.
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I can't.
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You can.
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You doing it.
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Yay.
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Campaigners may face
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court action if they try to block the waste
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pipeline at Sellafield.
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Campaigners from Greenpeace
in the Netherlands
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plan to block the pipe,
which they claim discharges
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more than two million
gallons of radioactive waste
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into the Irish sea every day.
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Yeah, see you later.
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Oh, you did very, very well then.
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- Are we on?
- Yeah.
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Yeah?
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Its divers having
spent three days practicing
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in Douglas Harbor, the
Greenpeace ship, Sirius, has
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set sail from the Isle of Man
and is expected off the coast
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of Cumbria later today.
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Can you see it?
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The police will have stopped them.
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Hey, hey, hey.
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Hey, hey, hey.
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Come on.
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Show us your biceps.
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Whoa.
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I don't need no morning.
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All I need is my name.
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I got all the riches, baby.
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Arriving on Sellafield,
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the city has closed in on what
the confrontation is all about.
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This waste pipe, say the campaigners,
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has made the Irish sea the
most radioactive in the world.
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But the Sirius remained at anchor
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after a high court injunction
forced Greenpeace to abandon
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its plans to block the pipe.
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The injunction was obtained
by British nuclear fuels.
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The thing they are protesting
about happened years ago.
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Hey, the nuclear industry
today is the most
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safety conscious you can name.
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I mean, I've worked there for years.
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I'm healthy enough.
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Glows with it.
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Got a part-time job as a lamp.
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Do you work there, Wendy?
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No, he won't let us.
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Every time I get a job, I get pregnant.
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Come on, Gemma.
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Come on, now.
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What's wrong, Gem?
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I'm cold.
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Here we go.
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Daleks.
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Exterminate.
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Exterminate.
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It stops the radiation.
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It can't jump.
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Well, they've served you an injunction
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which orders you not to attempt
to block the discharge pipe.
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As a lawyer, I'm required to
tell you that if you defy this,
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you'll be in contempt
of the British courts.
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So I've told you.
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Greenpeace divers have
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cut a hole in the
radioactive discharge pipe
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at Sellafield in an attempt
to block it in defiance
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of a high court injunction.
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Divers from the Greenpeace ship, Sirius,
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took it in turns to go below and attack
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the pipe with cutting torches.
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Gemma?
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And our
Own, lawyer, Martyn Day,
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explained we should not
attempt to block the pipeline
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or we would be in contempt of court.
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Thank you, Hans.
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I know, but I just want to make sure.
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That's all.
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She looks pale, and he
tummy's swollen again.
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Oh, Dad.
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Leave them alone, Steve.
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Dad.
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Me first, then you.
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Dad.
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Off the road, Gem.
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Well, I noticed her stomach was swollen.
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Well, she hasn't been eating well.
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But feeling tired?
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Yeah, she keeps asking to go to bed.
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Can I have a look
at that tummy, Gemma?
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Let's just take this stuff down.
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I put these on her because
she keeps saying she's cold.
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I want you to take her
to the Whitehaven hospital.
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Steve.
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Tina, where are they?
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Steve.
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It'll be OK.
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It's not that.
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So just...
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Right, well, Gemma
D'arcy, your blood test
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shows that you're anemic.
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Oh, god.
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See?
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Gemma, let's go find some toys.
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Come on.
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Gemma isn't just anemic.
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She needs more tests, but
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we may be looking at leukemia.
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Why are we here?
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Because you're special, angel.
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Newcastle's good for shopping, isn't it?
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Everybody ready then?
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Yeah.
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Oh. BOY 1: Wow.
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I'm excited.
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But I'm going to come as.
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I'm going to come...
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Gemma is suffering from
chronic myeloid leukemia.
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This is very rare in children.
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Will she die?
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She is suffering from
a very serious illness.
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To give her the best possible chance,
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she'll need to have chemotherapy.
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Chemotherapy?
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This morning she was,
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and now she needs chemotherapy.
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Why?
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How can it just happen?
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She was well.
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She was... how?
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The leukemia cells have invaded
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other parts of her body.
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But we can do something for her.
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We'll keep her in with you for tests.
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And she'll go straight on to a course of
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busulfan... chemotherapy pills.
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Why Gemma?
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I mean, have we given it to her?
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Is it bad blood, or?
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No, no.
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Most leukemias are
thought to be the result
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of a series of events.
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Two or three or even six different factors
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may trigger the illness.
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Like what?
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Well, the major recognized risks
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are smoking, exposure
to certain chemicals,
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or exposure to radiation.
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Radiation?
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Is that anything to do with the Sellafield?
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We live 10 miles away.
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Stephen works there.
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I really don't know.
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A bone marrow transplant
could save her life.
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Obviously, we'll test the family first
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and hope to find a good match.
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If we don't get one... and it's not at all
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unusual, even in families... we'll need
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to find a non-related donor.
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Any transplant would need to
be done before her illness
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reaches the acute stage.
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Is it bound to turn acute?
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Yes.
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When?
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It could happen anytime...
next week, three years time.
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There's no way of
knowing when the illness
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will become uncontrollable.
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So what are the odds of a cure?
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Well, more in her favor than against.
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But there are no guarantees.
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Certainly, without treatment,
the disease will progress
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and inevitably be fatal.
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We will get her right again.
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I've got leukemia.
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I don't believe.
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It six months.
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You think you feel bad?
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I stood on this ship and told
him he wouldn't go to jail.
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Martyn Day lawyer.
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BNFL asking for a quarter
of a million for damage
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to their pipeline.
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God.
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And don't want pay the
Irish for damage to their sea.
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No, we objected.
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I settled for 80,000 in the end.
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The thing is, Stephen, they
weren't interested in Hans Guyt
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going to jail.
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They wanted to break
Greenpeace financially and shut
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them up once and for all.
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In 1985, British nuclear
fuels were convicted
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at Carlyle Crown Court
for polluting the beaches
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with radioactive waste.
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They were fined 10,000.
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Greenpeace, for trying to stop
them polluting the beaches,
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are fined 80,000.
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I just want
tell you how I'm feeling.
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Gotta make you understand.
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Never going to give you up.
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Never gonna let you down.
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Never going to run
around and desert you.
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Never gonna make you cry.
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Never gonna say goodbye.
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Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
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Never going to give you up.
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Never gonna let you down.
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Never gonna run around and desert you.
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Never gonna make you cry.
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Never gonna say goodbye.
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Never gonna to tell a lie and hurt you.
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Never gonna to give you up.
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Never gonna let you down.
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Never gonna run around and desert you.
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Never gonna make...
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We're no good as donors for Gem.
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Does that mean she
can't have the transplant?
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Not unless we can find
someone who can help her.
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She'd have had more chance of finding
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a match if we had more kids.
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I wish we'd had 10.
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Give money to the
Gemma D'arcy appeal.
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Give some money to Gemma D'arcy.
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It's for Gemma D'arcy.
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Her dad works on contract here.
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She's got leukemia.
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Cheers.
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It is safer, in radiation
terms, to swim in the sea
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off the Sellafield pipeline for four hours
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than it is to sit in a deckchair
on a sunny day on a beach
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at Newquay for one hour.
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Have you ever heard such
crap in all your lives?
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Swimming in a radioactive sea is safer
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than sitting in a deckchair.
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I mean, these are the people taking us
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into the 21st century.
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Bloody Nora.
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The children with leukemia
living near Sellafield,
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that really is the next big issue BNFL
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is going to have to face.
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Well, as I've said to you before,
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there really is no
scientific evidence to link
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those illnesses with the plant.
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Philip, surely if children living in the town
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next to that plant are
suffering leukemia at 10 times
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the national average,
common sense must tell you.
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Common sense isn't science.
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I know the plant would appear
to be the obvious cause,
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but the committee, chaired
by Sir Douglas Black,
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set up by the government...
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Found that leukemia
in children was 10 times
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the national average.
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Couldn't say why it was happening there.
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There's a nuclear
reprocessing plant there.
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The amount of radiation
emitted from the plant
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isn't thought to be high enough to be
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a causal factor of leukemia.
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Now, you may not like that, Martyn.
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Yeah, I don't much.
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British Nuclear Fuels think
it's just a chance outbreak
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of leukemia, don't they?
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That or possibly some viral infection.
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That seems utterly stupid to me.
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Well, they point out that
there are places where there
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are no nuclear installations but still high
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incidences of leukemia.
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Yes, well, that doesn't necessarily
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mean that nuclear
installations aren't to blame
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where there are leukemias.
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What do you honestly think, Philip?
274
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My gut reaction is to say the
plant is very likely the cause.
275
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But I can't scientifically prove that.
276
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Nobody can.
277
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And if you can't do that,
you can't say they're guilty.
278
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In Cumbria, people sue
BNFL over contamination
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of their land, contamination
of their cattle,
280
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cancers in their workforce.
281
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But nobody is suing
them over the children.
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Happy birthday to you.
283
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Happy birthday, dear Gemma.
284
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Happy birthday to you.
285
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Hooray.
286
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So gents, if you can, will you please
287
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go the reverse side of the bicycle
288
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and make a nice feature of it. That's it.
289
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So come on.
290
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Let's see the new bike, Gemma.
291
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,096
If we can have
Gemma on the bicycle,
292
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that would be... that would be nice.
293
00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,200
Can you ring the bell for us, Gemma?
294
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Just a few more.
295
00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,160
It was my sister Tina's idea.
296
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She spoke to a lady who
works in the canteen at BNFL.
297
00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,600
And they started a collection off
298
00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,880
to send Gemma on the holiday
of a lifetime to Disney World.
299
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,216
It's actually going to be Butlins,
300
00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,760
but people just kept giving.
301
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,360
Gemma looks well.
302
00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,480
Yeah, well we
go regularly to the hospital
303
00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,000
to keep a check on her.
304
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,576
But you still
haven't found a donor for her?
305
00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,600
No.
306
00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,520
If she could just stay
that well on the tablets.
307
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,560
You can't tell me there's
not somebody somewhere who'd
308
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,720
be the right donor for her.
309
00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,000
I mean, how many bloody
people are there in the world?
310
00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,080
Someone must be able to help her.
311
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,200
I'm not going to let her die, Steve.
312
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,040
OK, partner.
313
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Let's get this show on the road.
314
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,400
Richenda, come on.
315
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Let her have them.
316
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,680
Move, Gemma.
317
00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,960
Show us, Gemma.
318
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,600
That's the biggest hot dog in the world.
319
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It's $5.
320
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,160
She only had one bite.
321
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,840
She wanted it chicken nuggets.
322
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:10,720
I'm telling you.
323
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What she wanted, she got.
324
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,480
Oh, yeah.
325
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,400
You haven't touched it.
326
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,680
I made that special.
327
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,040
I'm not hungry.
328
00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,200
Not hungry.
329
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,200
Stop copying everything Gemma does.
330
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,280
Why do you always have to tell me.
331
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,600
I'm telling you both, if
you don't eat, you'll die.
332
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:45,800
People do, all people.
333
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,280
Come on, take your pill.
334
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,720
You've got to keep strong, Gemma.
335
00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,880
I'm forever telling you.
336
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,000
What?
337
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,200
Speaking.
338
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,400
It's the ITV News here, Mrs. D'arcy.
339
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,320
We're about to run an advert from a firm
340
00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,520
of London Solicitors.
341
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,560
And I'd like to get your comments.
342
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,280
They're offering to sue British Nuclear.
343
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,640
Fuels on behalf of people
with leukemic children.
344
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,536
I've got the phone number
here if you'd like it.
345
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,480
Would you consider
suing BNFL, Mrs. D'arcy?
346
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,176
It's none of your sodding business, is it?
347
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,040
Be quiet.
348
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,240
I'm on the phone.
349
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,280
What's the number?
350
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,120
Mr. Hope.
351
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,240
I'm Martyn Day.
352
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,320
Come in.
353
00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:39,360
Thanks.
354
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,760
This is what's prompted my
firm to advertise for clients.
355
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,960
It's a study into the
high incidence of leukemia
356
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,880
in children living near the Dounreay
357
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,040
reprocessing plant in Scotland.
358
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,400
Dounreay and Sellafield are the
two installations in the United.
359
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,240
Kingdom which are involved
in the manufacturing
360
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,040
of plutonium for bombs.
361
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,680
And children are sick and
dying near both of them.
362
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,600
Everybody around here
knows somebody with a cancer
363
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,520
or with leukemia.
364
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,920
Everybody.
365
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,560
But you never expect
it to happen to your own.
366
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,760
People say it can't be the
plant because not every child
367
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,680
around here has leukemia.
368
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,480
But not everybody who
smokes gets cancer.
369
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,000
We all know cigarettes causes it.
370
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,840
I couldn't say BNFL are all bad.
371
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,080
They've done a lot in the community.
372
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,480
They support the local rugby.
373
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,600
They've built a lovely sports hall.
374
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,320
What do people around here
think about you suing BNFL?
375
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,280
This is our daughter Vivian.
376
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,360
One day, she was fine.
377
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,360
Then she wasn't feeling quite right.
378
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,400
It was that quick.
379
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,840
She has non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
380
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,640
Now, we just don't know
if she'll make it or not.
381
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,880
Our son has leukemia as well.
382
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,040
That was Dorothy, 1962.
383
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,360
Leukemia wasn't treatable then.
384
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,680
I wanted to take her
home from the hospital,
385
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,400
but they wanted to do some tests.
386
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,040
I was going to go back and get her,
387
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,040
but they phoned to say she was dead.
388
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,280
She was like a little
skeleton, all in five days.
389
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,560
It haunted Mr. Reay for
the rest of his life.
390
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,320
He was convinced that
working at Sellafield
391
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:57,960
had something to do with it.
392
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,520
He wrote these notes.
393
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,600
We only found them after he died.
394
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,720
You can't say what you
lose when you lose a child,
395
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,840
especially a baby, so quickly.
396
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,880
How did you get on?
397
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,600
Oh, God.
398
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,760
You know, I think if I lived
here, I'd hate people like me.
399
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,160
They've had experts,
inquiries, prodding them,
400
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,200
questioning them,
examining them like they're
401
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,880
part of an experiment.
402
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,320
They are, aren't they?
403
00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:35,360
What's that?
404
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,920
Testimony
of a working man.
405
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,400
- Mrs. D'arcy?
- Yeah.
406
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,520
Martyn day.
407
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,400
All right. Do you want to come in?
408
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,320
Yeah, thanks.
409
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:53,000
Hi.
410
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:53,880
Just go through there.
411
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,920
Thanks, yeah.
412
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,640
Come on.
413
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,480
Well,
414
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,440
you can ask me anything you like.
415
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,640
What's in it for you?
416
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,840
In law, we're required to prove the case
417
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240
on a balance of probability.
418
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,240
And I believe we can show that Sellafield
419
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,720
is more likely than not to be
the cause of these leukemias.
420
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,200
People here have been
talking about your advert.
421
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,120
What do they think?
422
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,400
What do they think?
423
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,360
Most of them work at Sellafield, so they
424
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,920
want to believe it's safe.
425
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,920
I certainly did when I worked there.
426
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,760
They're mostly pronuclear...
well, pro the jobs.
427
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,360
They've got families
to feed, haven't they?
428
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,296
Some are saying, if they
get sued over this and lose,
429
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,440
they'll shut the place down.
430
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,480
Jobs will go.
431
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,120
The country will lose billions.
432
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,400
And then what will they do?
433
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,120
What are we supposed to do?
434
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520
Shut up and let our children
die in the national interest?
435
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,640
I'm just saying, it's not going
436
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,640
to be just about Gemma or Liz.
437
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,640
Yes, it is.
438
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,360
Gemma is exactly what this is about.
439
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,536
If he's not doing it for the money,
440
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,680
you've got nothing to lose.
441
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,840
You haven't seen it.
442
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,360
You don't even work there anymore.
443
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,016
Are you saying Sellafield
didn't cause her leukemia?
444
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,360
Are you sure you're not just
looking for somebody to blame?
445
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,680
I've got leukemia.
446
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,040
I know.
447
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,960
Are you my lawyer?
448
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,040
Well, I'd like to be.
449
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,400
We've agreed to let you have a go for us.
450
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,360
You'll need to fill
these in... legal aid forms.
451
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Not we're signing for, is it?
452
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,120
They say these gulls used
to nest at the bird sanctuary
453
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,920
at Ravenglass.
454
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,680
They ate fish contaminated
with plutonium.
455
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,200
They don't nest here anymore.
456
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,920
It's only the people who have to stay.
457
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:55,400
Sellafield, radiation,
leukemic children, and it
458
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,200
generates enough electricity to serve
459
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,040
a place the size of Blackpool.
460
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,840
With or without the lights?
461
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760
I hope that people's hopes aren't
462
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,640
being raised without a
formidable case to back them.
463
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,000
I don't want to see people's
hopes raised and then dashed
464
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,760
because when these matters
come to court, after some time,
465
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,880
it is found that there
just isn't the evidence
466
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,040
to substantiate them.
467
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,240
What?
468
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,240
How does Martyn Day
know it's Sellafield?
469
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,200
I mean, how does he know
what nobody else does?
470
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,000
He's sued overcompensation claims
471
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,880
before, you know, and lost.
472
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,880
He's got this thing about BNFL.
473
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,400
Good nobody around here has.
474
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,600
Yeah, well, if he can't sue somebody,
475
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,200
he hasn't got a living, has he?
476
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,560
I just feel like we're
being bounced into something
477
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,160
we know nothing about.
478
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,600
Gemma's got leukemia.
479
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,120
He's given us a chance
to do something about it.
480
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,640
What should we do? Watch her die?
481
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,680
Keep our mouths shut?
482
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,200
Did they tell you I was going to die?
483
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,640
No.
484
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,160
Emergency at
Windscale Atom Plant.
485
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
And the milk from 200
square miles of farmland
486
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,600
is condemned as radioactive.
487
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,960
Milk marketing board lorries
collect the contaminated milk.
488
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,160
The trouble arose when radioactive dust
489
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
from the overheated pile fell
on the Cumberland pastures
490
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,240
and milk samples rushed to Harwell
491
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,200
were found to contain six times as much
492
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,760
radioactive iodine as international health
493
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,480
standards permit.
494
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Meanwhile, emergency
supplies from outside
495
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,920
are delivered to more than 5,000 people
496
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,640
who normally get their
milk from the banned farms.
497
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,240
Experts believe the
danger is already passed.
498
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,960
But until they're quite
sure, the ban stays.
499
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,880
With atoms, you can't be too careful.
500
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,256
Yeah, well, now we all know it's safe.
501
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,560
That's just a little
local A-bomb in Cumbria.
502
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,200
What does the 1950s
fire got to do with us?
503
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,680
Well, it's relevant to your clients
504
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,536
because it was the event
that drew attention to what
505
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,600
was going on at Windscale.
506
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,400
The reprocessing plant was pumping
507
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,320
plutonium into the environment
like a car exhaust.
508
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,600
Radioactive contamination
blown all across Cumbria.
509
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,880
That's right.
510
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,336
It lands in the soil, and there it stays
511
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,680
for the next 24,000 years.
512
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,400
Your clients live and
work on contaminated land.
513
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000
If they disturb the topsoil,
breathe in the dust,
514
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,280
or if they eat food from that land,
515
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,560
they could well be taking in
radioactive contamination.
516
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,640
How much would they need
to ingest to cause leukemia?
517
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,680
Well, in my opinion,
a lot less than present
518
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,000
medical science thinks.
519
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,640
So how much is that?
520
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000
As much as the survivors of
the atomic bomb at Hiroshima
521
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,640
suffered.
522
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,280
That's the benchmark current
medical thinking is based on.
523
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,000
So ideally, we need a client who
524
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,560
stood in front of an atom bomb.
525
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,040
Almost.
526
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520
In radiation cases, only
very high doses are accepted
527
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,960
as being the cause of cancer.
528
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200
Of course, the A-bomb radiation
dose was instantaneous.
529
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,120
Personally, I think that the
accumulated low doses people
530
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,160
living near atomic plants
constantly breathe in
531
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,800
are just as deadly.
532
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,040
But that isn't the currently accepted view.
533
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,720
No.
534
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,976
But if a whole lot of illness
doesn't fit the accepted view,
535
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680
maybe it's the view
that should be changed.
536
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,400
I would say that Gemma
D'Arcy's leukemia
537
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600
might well have been caused
by radiation from Sellafield.
538
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,200
She lives 10 miles from
the plutonium factory.
539
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,320
Radiation is emitted from
there on a regular basis.
540
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,480
She breathed contaminated air.
541
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,160
She played on contaminated beaches.
542
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Yes, so did a lot of kids I imagine.
543
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,920
It's not going to convince a judge.
544
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Oi, oi, hang on a minute.
545
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Professor Radford is showing
us a possible, probable
546
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,240
biological pathway.
547
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600
That first, then we prove that it actually
548
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,120
did happen like he says.
549
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,640
Once inside you, alpha radiation,
550
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,760
which is what plutonium
particles emit, builds up
551
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,320
and damages cells.
552
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,440
Damaged cells can lead to
cancers, including leukemia.
553
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,040
We know that alpha
particles concentrate
554
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,120
on the surface of the bone or
are deposited in the liver.
555
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Now, a small body of a child
wouldn't need much plutonium
556
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,320
to be enormously damaged.
557
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Then one day, a child is suddenly ill,
558
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,040
and no one can understand
how it could have happened.
559
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,240
Yeah, see, I can hear that
being explained to a judge.
560
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,600
Look, with respect to Professor Radford,
561
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,440
most medical scientists
wouldn't accept what he says.
562
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,240
Well, since when does science
ever franchise on the truth?
563
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360
His theory goes against
all accepted safety levels.
564
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,160
Nah, radiation safety levels
are ignorance cast in stone.
565
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,360
Well, they might be.
566
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,000
But that still doesn't make his theory
567
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,920
prove a statistical link between
Sellafield and the leukemia.
568
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Look, Sarah, children are dying now.
569
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,896
That's the only statistic
we need to keep in mind.
570
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,760
And if science drags
its feet much longer,
571
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,320
we won't have to argue statistics.
572
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,520
We'll be able to prove the
link by counting the bodies.
573
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,600
How many weeks is she?
574
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,280
26.
575
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,416
You're all right, Susan.
576
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Baby will be fine.
577
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,136
Must have broke a lot of mirrors
578
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,320
to get this kind of luck.
579
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,200
You know, even if the baby had survived,
580
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,080
she might not have been able
to be a donor for Gemma.
581
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,160
I wanted her for
herself as well, you know?
582
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Bloody hell.
583
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,960
Richard.
584
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,640
Oh, BNFL I've had a great success.
585
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,200
They stopped our clients legally.
586
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,760
They told the legal aid board
there's no case to answer.
587
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,920
What has the board said?
588
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,800
They've agreed.
589
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,440
They've turned us down.
590
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,656
We're not even going to get
a chance to have a go at them
591
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,840
in court.
592
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,016
We'll see Stephen Sedley about this.
593
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,480
Marlene, we're going to appeal this.
594
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,040
I think they perhaps
haven't fully appreciated
595
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,520
the strength of our case.
596
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,160
I'd interpret the letter
as panicked by their side.
597
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,400
BNFL solicitors claim that
under the 30 year limitation
598
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,280
period, the plaintiffs may
bring a claim at some later date
599
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,280
in the unlikely event a link
between childhood leukemia
600
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,640
and Sellafield is established.
601
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Well, one of the plaintiffs,
Mrs. Elizabeth Reay,
602
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,040
is bringing an action on
behalf of her daughter
603
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680
who died in 1962.
604
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Unless that case goes
forward before 1992,
605
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,960
she will be outside the 30 year period
606
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,680
and will have lost the opportunity of ever
607
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640
bringing any action ever again.
608
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,880
My daughter might not
be here in 30 years.
609
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,720
BNFL solicitors conclude their
letter by offering the view,
610
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,920
the potential plaintiffs have no prospect
611
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,240
whatsoever of succeeding.
612
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Well, it's for a judge,
not BNFL and its solicitors
613
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,000
to determine whether or
not the Sellafield plant is
614
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,840
responsible for the leukemias.
615
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,920
The legal aid system was created
616
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:04,760
to allow people with limited
finance access to the courts.
617
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,440
If British Nuclear Fuels, a fully state
618
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:14,280
owned industry with all its vast
financial resources succeeds
619
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,640
succeeds in blocking this application,
620
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,000
the only avenue for justice
open to these people
621
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,160
will have been denied.
622
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,400
My legs hurt.
623
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,920
You what then?
624
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,800
What you say.
625
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,320
My legs hurt.
626
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:44,760
Come on.
627
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,800
Come on.
628
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,520
Right, come on.
629
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,520
Let's see if we can catch that bus.
630
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Come on.
631
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,000
The problem still is
you've no firm evidence
632
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,240
to demonstrate Sellafield is
responsible for the leukemias.
633
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,240
Philip, we need the courts behind us
634
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,160
to help us investigate BNFL.
635
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,200
Without legal aid, we're just
standing outside their fence
636
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:07,240
with our suspicions.
637
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,200
BNFL had been caught out
about the accuracy of their data
638
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,840
on several occasions.
639
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,016
The information they gave to
Sir Douglas Black's committee,
640
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160
for instance, was well short of the mark.
641
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,160
You don't mean they lied?
642
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,680
Well, they certainly made a big mistake.
643
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,920
They claimed to have released
440 grams of uranium oxide
644
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,040
into the environment when,
in fact, they'd released
645
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,520
50 times more than that
646
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,520
20 kilograms.
647
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,840
Well, that's good.
648
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,920
Well, I have to say the plutonium content
649
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960
in an increase of even that scale still
650
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,120
isn't enough to explain the leukemias,
651
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,400
not by today's risk factors.
652
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,680
Blimey, how much
plutonium do you need?
653
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,880
Well, it's proving how
much your clients actually
654
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,400
has that's going to be your problem.
655
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,176
Professor Radford's theory
of airborne contamination,
656
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,520
you know, polluted beaches.
657
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,320
A judge would understand the logic of it.
658
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,680
I'm sure.
659
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,400
Your problem would
come if he asked to see
660
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,240
the evidence supporting it.
661
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,120
At the moment, there isn't any.
662
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Your case is ahead of the science.
663
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,800
Well, in 1854, an outbreak
of cholera in London
664
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,960
was thought to be caused
by the Broad Street pump.
665
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,880
People didn't know why water killed.
666
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,960
But they knew filtering
it stopped people dying.
667
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,320
Years later, science discovered bacteria.
668
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,080
And then they can explain
why filtering water worked.
669
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,360
Point taken.
670
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,496
Well, if something is happening
to cause the leukemias,
671
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,160
if it isn't Sellafield, what is it?
672
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,440
Well, quite.
673
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,920
I'm happy to investigate
anything you like.
674
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,896
But I might not come up
with the answers you want.
675
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,280
Just you tell the truth,
Phil, and we'll abide by it.
676
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,520
I know what the truth is.
677
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,520
We've got legal aid.
678
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,000
We're suing BNFL.
679
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Great.
680
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,840
Your mother will be pleased.
681
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,880
We got it. We got it.
682
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,800
We got it.
683
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,680
We got it.
684
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,600
We got it.
685
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,160
We got legal aid.
686
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,280
We got legal aid.
687
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Party.
688
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,160
La, la, la, la.
689
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,200
La, la, la, la.
690
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:00,240
Woo.
691
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,120
We have concern that
these families, the parents
692
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,800
of children who either had
died or had got leukemia
693
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,440
were actually being
misled by Martyn Day.
694
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,400
And we believe that he has been
raising hopes and expectation.
695
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,200
We feel we need to take
a decision about Gemma's
696
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,240
possible treatment.
697
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,720
It's not going to be easy.
698
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,400
Gemma's responded
well to the busulfan.
699
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,320
But as I've always told you,
it's a control, not a cure.
700
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,920
Now, if we found a perfect donor,
701
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,120
she'd be well at home by now.
702
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,840
But we haven't.
703
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,840
And as we know, she could
reach the acute stage tomorrow.
704
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,440
And so that's why we
need to make a decision.
705
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Do we wait and hope for
a perfect donor match,
706
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,720
or do we take action now?
707
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
What action is possible?
708
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,360
Well,
709
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,280
we know Stephen's tissue type
is compatible with Gemma's.
710
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,040
So there's a very good chance we can
711
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,640
make it a close enough
match to Gemma's
712
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,600
for a transplant to work.
713
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,720
But there are risks.
714
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,360
So what are the chances of it working?
715
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,600
I'd say 50/50.
716
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,280
Of course, once we start the treatment,
717
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,000
we can't change our minds.
718
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,160
There's no going back.
719
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:35,240
So what you mean is, if it
works, she'd cure quicker.
720
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,920
And if it doesn't, she dies quicker.
721
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,880
If we decide not to do anything at all,
722
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,880
Gemma could possibly live several years,
723
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,400
or not.
724
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,640
The important thing is we can only
725
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,120
start the treatment while she's
well enough to respond to it.
726
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,160
By waiting, we could miss the chance.
727
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,200
So.
728
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,040
Do we go for an operation that
has a 50% chance of saving
729
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,640
her life or do nothing?
730
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,400
I'll give her a nice life
for as long as we've got her.
731
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,960
That was always the idea,
even before she got ill.
732
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,400
Put me through all that for an operation
733
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,720
that's got a 50% chance.
734
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,560
They're asking us to toss a coin for a life.
735
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,240
She looks so well.
736
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,600
She could stay well for years.
737
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,280
What if we put her
through all that treatment
738
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,680
and it doesn't work
739
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,440
and we lose her?
740
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,200
And then in 12 months time,
somebody finds a cure.
741
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,560
And alls we have to do was just
hang on a bit longer for her.
742
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,080
Or if it turns acute tomorrow
743
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,920
and we've done nothing.
744
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,320
The problem is, the leukemia
cluster centers on Seascale.
745
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,120
But the radioactive contamination that
746
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,840
we think caused it, doesn't.
747
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,280
So the question is,
how can radiation which
748
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,120
is spread from Barrow to Scotland
749
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,240
cause leukemias just at Seascale?
750
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,160
The argument from BNFL is if
contamination causes leukemias,
751
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,000
why aren't there
outbreaks in other equally
752
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,880
contaminated areas?
753
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,200
BNFL's conclusion, there aren't.
754
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,600
Because radioactive
contamination at the levels
755
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,040
emitted from Sellafield can't cause it.
756
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,456
I assume they're still underestimating
757
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,440
the scale of their emissions.
758
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,600
They've done it before.
759
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,320
Why break the habit of a lifetime?
760
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Well,
761
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,360
I couldn't just assume that.
762
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,080
But it did seem to me, the only
possible line of investigation
763
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
open to us was to calculate for ourselves
764
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,720
the radioactive emissions from the plant
765
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,040
and their distribution.
766
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,680
Now, if you measure radioactive
deposits in the ground,
767
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,640
you have a good idea
how much radiation
768
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,160
came out of the plant.
769
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Now, Powell published
detailed data of soil samples.
770
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,800
They run from the 1950s till now.
771
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,560
They're based on BNFL's own figures,
772
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,280
so we must assume
BNFL stand by them.
773
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,600
Hang on.
774
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,296
You're using BNFL's own
figures to calculate
775
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,760
the amount of contamination they
say came out of their plant?
776
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,136
Yes, well, there aren't any others.
777
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,360
Won't that give them
rather a favorable result?
778
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,400
Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you?
779
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,720
We want to know how much plutonium
780
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,320
was emitted from the plant.
781
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,800
Well, I've looked through all these
782
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,520
and fed the figures for every soil sample
783
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,520
ever taken into the computer.
784
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,800
The radionuclides... strontium,
caesium, and plutonium... break
785
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,920
down roughly at 50/50 to 1.
786
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,840
That means you'd expect
to find in the soil
787
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,880
1/50 of the amount of
plutonium as compared
788
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,160
to strontium and cesium.
789
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,920
But there's more plutonium.
790
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Their figures, their mistake.
791
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,800
Look anywhere for long enough
and you'll find something.
792
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,400
What's it mean for us?
793
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Well, either there's been
much higher radioactive releases
794
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,640
from the plant than anyone thought,
795
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
or there's been an undocumented
release of plutonium
796
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,440
at some point.
797
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,480
Which BNFL never mentioned.
798
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Well, they may not know about it.
799
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,616
It's only when you look
through all the surveys
800
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,360
together that you see it.
801
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,000
I suspect nobody ever did before.
802
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,096
I wouldn't have if it hadn't
been for your court case.
803
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,720
Well, it's odd BNFL don't know about it.
804
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,680
I mean, they are running the industry.
805
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:43,496
Well, let's see if they
have an explanation for it,
806
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,680
shall we?
807
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,160
Yeah, well, we'll swear an affidavit
808
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,856
and make them show us
their records on emissions.
809
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,536
We get Sarah and Sue to go up
to Sellafield and bully them.
810
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,696
Hey, it's a great start this, Phil.
811
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:51,720
Smashing. Perfect.
812
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,160
Tracksuit on the bottom.
813
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,160
And then this is on top of there.
814
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,760
All right, we've got clean tissues here.
815
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,800
OK.
816
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:12,800
Don't worry, Dad.
817
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,480
You can polish my bald head.
818
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,056
Right, we're just going to pop
a little tube into your chest.
819
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,320
Won't hurt.
820
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,160
Then you'll be ready for your transplant
821
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,120
in a couple of weeks.
822
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,280
OK, Gemma?
823
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Good girl.
824
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Shall we go back?
825
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,800
They said about half an hour.
826
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,880
What?
827
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,960
Oh, just don't say it again, Stephen.
828
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,600
We've made the right decision.
829
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,000
How can you be 100% sure
of a 50% chance, Susan?
830
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,040
You OK?
831
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,880
Hiya.
832
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Have a nice sleep?
833
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,920
We're just talking about
staying under this thing.
834
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,680
Six weeks.
835
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,400
Yeah, but then you go home.
836
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,680
Now, it's very important
you stay inside it, Gemma.
837
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,400
Keeps all those germs away.
838
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,840
It's important, Gem.
839
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,080
You have to, love.
840
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,520
You didn't say that before.
841
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,080
Won't be long.
842
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,200
Oh, I'm not going to
do anything unusual.
843
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,280
I was even followed to the loo.
844
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,200
I mean, what are these
people so paranoid about?
845
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,560
Being helpful.
846
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,960
Look, they were ordered
to show you the documents.
847
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Well, they did, sort of.
848
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,480
They just didn't make any sense to me.
849
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,776
Well, well, look, we'll just have
850
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,920
to swear another affidavit.
851
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,000
Be a bit more specific this time.
852
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,160
Ask for the documents relating
to any illegal emissions.
853
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,680
That should do it.
854
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:02,600
Fine.
855
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,640
Bye.
856
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,400
Hey, enough!
857
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,880
Gemma, stop it.
858
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,600
I'm telling you... end.
859
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Look, you wet everything through
the last time you did this.
860
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,040
Right, Gemma, I'm not laughing.
861
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,080
Can't get me.
862
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,240
The sea?
863
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,520
How is it from the sea?
864
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,240
That's what BNFL are claiming.
865
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,040
They say the plutonium Phil Day
found isn't an excess at all.
866
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,440
It came from their discharge pipe
867
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,840
and was blown back on to
the land from the sea.
868
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,336
They say they've already
accounted for it,
869
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,680
and we found nothing damning.
870
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,400
Cobblers.
871
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,520
Is that your legal or scientific opinion?
872
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,400
I thought the whole point
about an underwater pipe
873
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,080
was to get rid of radioactive discharges.
874
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,720
Well, it does, into the sea.
875
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,960
So the fish can worry about it?
876
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,640
The plutonium is supposed
to stick to the seabed
877
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,080
and be harmless.
878
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,400
Unless it's blown back onto the land.
879
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,360
No, if it had come from the sea,
880
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,520
it had been more uniformly spread.
881
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,880
But what I found came from
directly inside the plant
882
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,320
and leads right back to our old question
883
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,000
why the high incidence of
leukaemias around Sellafield?
884
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,600
You found out?
885
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,840
Let's... let's just go through it.
886
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,056
If you're going to argued in court,
887
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,840
you'd better understand it.
888
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,520
Plutonium contamination
comes from just two sources
889
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,400
nuclear installations, and the
fallout from the atomic bomb
890
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,760
tests of the '50s and '60s,
which still lands on us
891
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,440
in the rainfall.
892
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,320
Now, we checked all the data on
all our nuclear installations.
893
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,720
So I decided to look at
the fallout radiation.
894
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,720
Now, to calculate that, you look
at the figures for rainfall.
895
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,040
Right.
896
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,720
Now, whoever drew up
these official figures,
897
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,200
they got them wrong.
898
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,560
They assume that rainfall
on the coast of Cumbria
899
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,240
was the same as in the middle.
900
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,680
The mountains slipped their minds.
901
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,120
Odd, isn't it?
902
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,080
Anyway, rainfall on the
coast is much lower.
903
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,640
Therefore, fallout radiation is lower.
904
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,280
So once you subtracted
the correct amount
905
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,160
for local fallout radiation, then you
906
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,880
begin to see that contamination
isn't uniform from Barrow
907
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,800
to Scotland.
908
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,280
It's high around Sellafield?
909
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,320
It is.
910
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,240
By plotting every soil sample, we identify
911
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,280
all plutonium in the soil.
912
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,640
Subtract the correct figure
for fallout radiation,
913
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,840
and the amount of plutonium
contamination from Sellafield
914
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,040
suddenly increases.
915
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,600
Plot that as a three-dimensional model,
916
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,440
and I'd say that gives a possible answer
917
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,680
to the question, why Seascale?
918
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,960
High concentration of
plutonium in the soil
919
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,480
directly around Sellafield,
not blown in from the sea
920
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,160
but released directly from
inside the plant in very
921
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,560
large unrecorded discharges.
922
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,440
And there we have our
cluster of leukemia.
923
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,480
A concentration of
plutonium in and around.
924
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Sellafield being breathed in by the people
925
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,280
who live and work there.
926
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,000
Hello.
927
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,400
Hello, little girl.
928
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,960
What's your name?
929
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:23,920
Hey?
930
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Hello.
931
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,040
Hello.
932
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,040
Hello, little girl.
933
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Hello.
934
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Hello.
935
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,600
Are you OK, Gem?
936
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,600
Hey.
937
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,480
How are you?
938
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,840
Oh.
939
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:10,880
OK.
940
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,200
Susan was telling me he got laid off.
941
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:16,840
Yeah.
942
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,240
I can spend more time here.
943
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,056
Well, you'll feel like
you've been kicked by a horse
944
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,560
after tomorrow I'm afraid.
945
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,600
So I've been told.
946
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,200
Gemma is looking very well, isn't she?
947
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,680
Yeah.
948
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,016
I'd feel better if she looked ill
949
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,600
and we were trying to cure her.
950
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,960
I know.
951
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,496
It's like we're taking
her out of the sunshine
952
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,960
and putting her in a dark room.
953
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,080
But we are all on the
same side, you know?
954
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,400
I know.
955
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,120
But she's ours,
956
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:49,720
you know?
957
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:12,680
So here I am, the masked
man, just like the lone ranger.
958
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,280
Probably never heard
of The Lone Ranger.
959
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,616
Do you know how many red
blood cells the bone marrow
960
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,240
produces every second?
961
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,960
Have a guess?
962
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,360
No?
963
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,040
3 million.
964
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,840
Not surprising yours is a bit tired.
965
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,880
There.
966
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,760
You've just had a bone
marrow transplant.
967
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,240
Dead boring really.
968
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,760
Well, how are you feeling?
969
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,960
Kicked by that horse.
970
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,080
Well, we just wait now.
971
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,680
The only bone marrow she
has is what we've put in.
972
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,600
After 15 days, we'll hope to
see a hint of some neutrophils,
973
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,640
which means the transplant has taken
974
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,880
and she's beginning to produce
good blood cells again.
975
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,240
Now, today is day zero for Gemma
976
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,080
0.0.
977
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,680
We need to get to 0.5
before we know it's working.
978
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,320
And in 28 days, well, we hope
to see it reading normal.
979
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,600
But before then, 0.5?
980
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Yeah.
981
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,160
0.5.
982
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,800
Ow.
983
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,600
Well, we knew it'd happen, didn't we?
984
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Hey?
985
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,880
Oh, darling, come here.
986
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,160
We needed to calculate
how much extra uranium
987
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,360
oxide would be needed
to generate the excess
988
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,880
of plutonium we found.
989
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,440
Now, the official service
from British Nuclear Fuels
990
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,440
show a total release of 20
kilograms of uranium oxide.
991
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,240
Now, having found the
excess of plutonium,
992
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,720
however, I'd say a reliable estimate
993
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,880
for releases of uranium
oxide from Sellafield
994
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,400
would be 200 kilograms.
995
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,880
Cumulatively, the amount
of plutonium discharged
996
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,240
is increased by a factor of 40.
997
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,440
Oh, fantastic.
998
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,760
Not if you live in Cumbria.
999
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,520
40 times more environmental
contamination?
1000
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,416
40 times higher than has
ever been disclosed, yes.
1001
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,760
That's brilliant.
1002
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,240
So would what you have
found make the emissions
1003
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,960
high enough to cause leukemia?
1004
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,760
Not on the currently
accepted risk models, no.
1005
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:52,680
God.
1006
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,480
The current risk models.
1007
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,920
I'm amazed they don't say
plutonium is good for you.
1008
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,560
The amount of plutonium we've found
1009
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,560
increases the risk factor for leukemia
1010
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,160
from one person in 2,000 to 1 in 1,400.
1011
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,080
Well, that doesn't explain the
1 in 200, which is the incidence
1012
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,520
around Sellafield.
1013
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,040
You couldn't go into the court and say
1014
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,120
plutonium contamination from Sellafield
1015
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,280
is how your clients got leukemia.
1016
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,760
On these figures, I mean,
it can't be the truth.
1017
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,080
Yeah, well, witnesses have
to tell the truth, Phil.
1018
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,320
I have to win for my clients.
1019
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,000
We haven't got enough, have we?
1020
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,160
Well, it could
help your client Vivien Hope.
1021
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,840
She worked at the plant.
1022
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,240
Given this, she suffered more
contamination than we thought,
1023
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,200
but not enough.
1024
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,120
For today's risk models.
1025
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,560
I see.
1026
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,680
Most of the others didn't
even work at the plant.
1027
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:56,200
And the D'Arcys, Elizabeth Reay, I
1028
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,360
don't see that they can have
much of a chance to be honest.
1029
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,800
Well, we'll just have to
keep looking for more evidence.
1030
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,280
Hi.
1031
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,320
D'arcy.
1032
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,320
Right here.
1033
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,760
They say it's the most
radioactive sea in the world
1034
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,080
now.
1035
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,760
I just remember it on lovely, sunny days.
1036
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,560
We always had our holidays here.
1037
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,120
Mr. Reay was one of
the men who fought
1038
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,200
the reactor fire in 1957.
1039
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,520
I always felt that his
cancer was because of that.
1040
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,400
But the company wrote to me
saying that it wasn't his work.
1041
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,280
He was away three days at the fire.
1042
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,160
They'd scrubbed him till he bled
1043
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,640
decontamination.
1044
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,680
Came to our house
with a Geiger counter.
1045
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,200
They didn't tell anybody
in Seascale, did they?
1046
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:11,960
Even when the fire was out of control.
1047
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,360
That was a wicked thing to do.
1048
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,040
The whole reactor was
blazing, and people
1049
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,760
were walking about doing the shopping
1050
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,160
with children in pushchairs.
1051
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,920
Their own the workers' families.
1052
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,000
That was wrong.
1053
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,680
It really was.
1054
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,800
They had some good lads working
for them, conscientious.
1055
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,440
My husband only ever
had seven days off sick
1056
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,920
in all the 20 years he was there.
1057
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,240
That's what that boy gave to Sellafield.
1058
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,080
Susan,
1059
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,320
what's wrong?
1060
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,400
Oh, she squirted me.
1061
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,080
How's the case going?
1062
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,000
- Fantastic.
- Yeah?
1063
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,240
- Yeah.
- Good.
1064
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,280
She's in there.
1065
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,760
Hello.
1066
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,760
Ta-da.
1067
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,760
Now, we go back to the main news
1068
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,360
evidence in an independent
report today that children
1069
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,360
whose fathers worked at
the Sellafield nuclear
1070
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,520
plant in Cumbria have been much more
1071
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,560
likely to develop leukemia.
1072
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,760
Field workers
attended special meetings today
1073
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,280
called to discuss the possible link
1074
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,000
between the plant and child leukemia
1075
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,400
with the report's author.
1076
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,760
As they took their places,
British Nuclear Fuels
1077
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,080
revealed young family
men were being moved away
1078
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,440
from high radiation
areas at what it called,
1079
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,000
a very rapid rate.
1080
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,840
Let's just say that
we're very optimistic, OK?
1081
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,240
Yes, it does.
1082
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Yes.
1083
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,520
We're very pleased.
1084
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,120
He will, yeah.
1085
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,160
Well, the Gardner
report confirms what we've
1086
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,560
been saying for several months.
1087
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,720
It shows the link between the Sellafield
1088
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,360
nuclear plant and leukemia.
1089
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,880
In fact, the evidence is so
overwhelming that the legal aid
1090
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,520
board has agreed to lift all
financial restrictions on us
1091
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,920
in order that we can proceed to trial.
1092
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,240
Professor Gardner has found that
as little as a 10 millisieverts
1093
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,040
dose of radiation to a
father in the six months
1094
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,920
prior to conception significantly
1095
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,280
raises the probability of that
man fathering a leukemic child.
1096
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,400
The most likely cause, in my view,
1097
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,200
is that radiation causes
mutation of the germ cell,
1098
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,600
and thus triggers the
leukemia in the child.
1099
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,880
Once this has happened,
the illness can pass
1100
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,640
from generation to generation.
1101
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,760
And for any worker in
the nuclear industry
1102
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,960
with a young family or contemplating
1103
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,880
starting a family, this
report is devastating.
1104
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,200
I gave my own child leukemia.
1105
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,600
It wasn't you.
1106
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,760
It was that place.
1107
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,640
I thought the only risk was to myself.
1108
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,840
But risking the life of my own child.
1109
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,680
If she dies, it's because I
worked at the bloody place.
1110
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,960
Sue them.
1111
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,160
Sue the bastards.
1112
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,000
So now if somebody is that worried,
1113
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,800
then it may be that the proper advice
1114
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,000
is that if you are that worried,
that you don't have a family.
1115
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,280
But as I said...
1116
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,360
Well, he's as good as said Garner's right.
1117
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,240
Did you hear that?
1118
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,600
He said it.
1119
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,800
Right, listen, well, we
get straight on to BNFL.
1120
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,480
Ask them to accept responsibility
1121
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,920
and settle out of court.
1122
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,040
And we quote what their
own chief medical officer
1123
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,440
has just said.
1124
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,680
Great.
1125
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,600
OK, what about these?
1126
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,000
Sue, we can
only go forward with cases
1127
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,160
where the plaintiff or the plaintiff's father
1128
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,320
worked at Sellafield.
1129
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,040
These don't fit Gardner's findings,
1130
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,160
so we can't help them.
1131
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:43,616
Well, let's not throw the baby out...
1132
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:44,720
I'm not!
1133
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,056
I'm still representing Mrs. Reay,
1134
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,320
Vivien Hope, and Gemma D'arcy.
1135
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,600
Hang on.
1136
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,240
All these families have legitimate claims.
1137
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,520
We've spent months getting the
environmental evidence Phil Day
1138
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,600
came up with to support them.
1139
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,880
That doesn't help them
fit the Gardner report.
1140
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,240
And besides, Gardner's
evidence is independent.
1141
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,640
Phil Day's our expert.
1142
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,560
Well, that doesn't make
his evidence redundant.
1143
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,600
It does now that we're basing
our case on the Gardner report.
1144
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,440
Case as supportive of Gardner.
1145
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,376
And the judge will assume
that we're not sure of either,
1146
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,560
so we're using both.
1147
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,936
Well, we shouldn't be basing our case
1148
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,760
around the scientific
limitations of a judge.
1149
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,400
Yes, we should.
1150
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,000
BNFL will line up every medical expert
1151
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,960
and say that environmental pollution
1152
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,640
isn't significant enough
to cause leukemia.
1153
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,280
At today's risk standards.
1154
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,920
It's today we're doing it.
1155
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,120
All these families will
be disappointed, Martyn.
1156
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,776
Well, they'll be a damn
sight more disappointed
1157
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,560
if I went into court and lost.
1158
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,120
Look, Sue, Sue, Sue, if I win
using the Gardner evidence,
1159
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,520
then BNFL will settle these other claims.
1160
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:48,880
I'm sure of it.
1161
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,800
But I've got to fight my
strongest cases first.
1162
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,560
All right, so what do we do now?
1163
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,680
Well, I think...
1164
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,080
Sarah, Sue, you got a minute?
1165
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,400
We've had a ricochet response
from their solicitors.
1166
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,840
BNFL will not accept any responsibility
1167
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:07,800
for the leukemias.
1168
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,480
No, they will not settle.
1169
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,040
And no, they will not set up a
compensation fund for families
1170
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,080
of leukemic children.
1171
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,120
We do have a problem with
Professor Gardner's report.
1172
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,520
Gardner's study shows a statistical link
1173
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,680
between radiation and leukemia
in children of nuclear workers
1174
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,160
born and resident in Seascale.
1175
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,680
None of our clients were born there.
1176
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,240
No, no, what is important
for our clients is the link
1177
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,520
that Gardner has established
between the plant and radiation
1178
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,320
workers with leukemic children.
1179
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,200
So far, the link only works in Seascale.
1180
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,800
Vivien Hope's from Seascale.
1181
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,680
But she wasn't born there.
1182
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,200
She's born in Drigg three miles away.
1183
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,960
She's still outside Gardner's study.
1184
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,440
Oh, get a grip.
1185
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,176
No judge is going to believe that radiation
1186
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,800
stops at the parish boundary.
1187
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,160
Couldn't BNFL argue that
only people actually included
1188
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,880
in Gardner's study
should be allowed to use
1189
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,280
it as a basis for legal action?
1190
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,296
Professor Gardner has
1191
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,600
studied 117 children who were born
1192
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,240
and lived here in Seascale.
1193
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,456
And we assume some of those
families must still live here.
1194
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,480
But not one of them has
approached us with a view
1195
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,600
to suing the company.
1196
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,000
They won't.
1197
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,680
The company built this town.
1198
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,080
Just about everybody
relies on work there.
1199
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,640
But not everybody has a leukemic child.
1200
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,840
And those that do don't want to do
1201
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,320
something that might put their own
1202
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,400
or their neighbor's jobs at risk.
1203
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,000
I know I don't.
1204
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,320
There's others who are just
waiting to see how this case
1205
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,040
goes before they do anything.
1206
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,280
If we win, I think you'll have opened
1207
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:43,800
the floodgates for clients.
1208
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,640
Yeah, but it's now I
need them to come forward.
1209
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,920
Are you saying you don't
think you can win Vivien's case?
1210
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,600
No, no, no. Not at all.
1211
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,080
No, it's just that others coming
forward now would be helpful.
1212
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,680
They won't.
1213
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,280
If they went against BNFL and lost.
1214
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,000
People are more afraid of unemployment
1215
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,440
than they are of radiation.
1216
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,880
Just one client, and I can win.
1217
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,360
You've hurt me.
1218
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,000
All done. Good girl.
1219
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,000
Good girl, Gemma.
1220
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,176
Come on, it's all right, Gem.
1221
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,440
All right, Gemma.
1222
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:36,896
It's OK, love. SUSAN D'ARCY: Oh, look.
1223
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:37,840
Look who's here.
1224
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:38,960
Look who's come to see you.
1225
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,280
And her blood count went right down.
1226
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,280
They gave her a bag of
blood and platelets.
1227
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,360
And everything they got
in the drugs cupboard.
1228
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,720
They gave her anti-sickness.
1229
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,520
You must be tired of being here.
1230
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:06,640
Just a bit.
1231
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,280
How's the case going?
1232
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,160
Fine.
1233
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,080
Going to go to Manchester.
1234
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,200
Do a television program.
1235
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:12,120
Yeah, but you let them know what
1236
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,440
radiation has done to Gemma.
1237
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:14,800
I will.
1238
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,160
I hope you do because
everybody needs to know.
1239
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,176
They should come and have a
look at her pumped full of drugs
1240
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,400
till she's sick.
1241
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,360
Kept in a bed 24 hours a day.
1242
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,040
And all she's got on the
television is BNFL saying, oh,
1243
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,360
it's nothing to do with us.
1244
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,480
It's not our problem.
1245
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,360
Not our problem.
1246
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,560
You just beat them, Martyn.
1247
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,320
You finish them.
1248
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,040
I know this is a bad time, but I need
1249
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,520
a statement from you, Stephen.
1250
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,480
You just had one.
1251
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,000
And then you go and
collect your film badge.
1252
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,200
Your film badge was your
only way of knowing how much
1253
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,480
of a radiation dose you had.
1254
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:49,800
I work for a contractor.
1255
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,336
They asked for their own, didn't they?
1256
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,600
Yeah.
1257
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,640
They wouldn't only
use BNFL film badges.
1258
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,496
I worked in some active
areas, but I don't know
1259
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,280
what my radiation dose was.
1260
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,280
Do you have your dose records?
1261
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,960
No.
1262
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,200
I suppose my contractor would have.
1263
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,120
Oh, right.
1264
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,360
Gemma.
1265
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,400
Sorry, Martyn.
1266
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,920
Professor Gardner pointed
out that over the whole period
1267
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,160
from 1950...
1268
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,120
That's the report that we're...
1269
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,560
That's right.
1270
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,000
From 1950 to 1985, in the
whole of West Cumbria,
1271
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,000
there were a total of 52
children with leukemia
1272
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,080
and another 22 with a related disease
1273
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,640
called non-Hodgkin's lymphoma...
very close to leukemia.
1274
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,320
It's very similar.
1275
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,680
Of those, in his report, only
10 of those were workers at
1276
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,040
their parents were workers at Sellafield.
1277
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,160
Not that many children.
1278
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,560
Martyn Day.
1279
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,440
I've just come from
a hospital in Newcastle
1280
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,560
where a little girl called
Gemma D'arcy has leukemia.
1281
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:55,160
She's sitting there with no
hair wired up to machines.
1282
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,280
I mean, this is a real child, you know?
1283
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,480
These are real families.
1284
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,360
And I feel it's a strange attitude
1285
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,200
for this company to take to say that 10
1286
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,000
leukemias are reasonable.
1287
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,520
I'm concerned.
1288
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,520
Gemma should be showing more
signs of bone marrow recovery
1289
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,520
by now.
1290
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,200
I'll have to do a bone marrow aspirate
1291
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,600
to find out what's going on.
1292
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:34,800
It's OK, Gemma.
1293
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,000
It's nearly over.
1294
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,000
It's over in a second.
1295
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,200
Will you leave it alone?
1296
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,480
She can't feel it.
1297
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,760
He's not hurting her.
1298
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,440
It's because one of the kids
said they used a corkscrew.
1299
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,320
I just don't believe that kid.
1300
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,280
The transplant...
1301
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,320
Hasn't worked.
1302
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,640
We can try again.
1303
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,640
We should never have started this.
1304
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,400
We should never have taken the chance.
1305
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:43,760
What bloody right have we got
to take a chance with her life?
1306
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,680
She got leukemia because of me.
1307
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,280
They're going to try again.
1308
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:57,360
I don't want try.
1309
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,760
I want her cured.
1310
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,680
It's her life.
1311
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,960
She hasn't done anything
to deserve this.
1312
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,520
She's a little child.
1313
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:12,360
They only ever try this operation twice.
1314
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,760
A month ago, she was riding a bike.
1315
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,360
And now she's on her last
chance, and we put her there.
1316
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:30,480
Bye, Gemma.
1317
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,480
Good luck.
1318
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:33,520
Bye, Jamie.
1319
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,760
Well,
1320
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,880
we can't get any of our
clients to fit the Gardner
1321
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,560
report to the letter.
1322
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:12,920
Yeah?
1323
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:17,160
So we've got to make the
ones that we have got
1324
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:22,360
fit the study as best we can.
1325
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:29,840
Right, OK, Gardner says, workers
could father a leukemic child
1326
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:35,040
having had a minimum radiation
dose of 10 millisieverts
1327
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,400
six months prior to
conception or a minimum dose
1328
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:42,040
of 100 millisieverts at any
time prior to conception.
1329
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,360
Providing they live in Seascale.
1330
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,136
Let's just play to our
strengths for a minute,
1331
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,960
not somebody else's, right?
1332
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,800
Clearly, we don't want to fight our case
1333
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,360
using the minimum doses.
1334
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,280
I mean, the higher the
dose to our clients,
1335
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:55,960
the stronger their case, right?
1336
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,720
We know from George Reay's own
notes, the kind of work he did.
1337
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,696
When they were looking for
cartridges that were leaking
1338
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,200
radiation, George Reay
would have to go and stand
1339
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,720
on top of the reactor like this
looking down into the thing
1340
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,440
while it was still running.
1341
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:13,360
Neutrons rushing up
and bombarding him.
1342
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,440
This is a graphic example, right?
1343
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:18,000
Easy to explain to a
judge of what the Gardner
1344
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,600
report is all about
1345
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,600
i.e., radiation causing germ cell
1346
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,520
mutation in the sperm
leading to the fathering
1347
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,000
of a leukemic child.
1348
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,760
Providing that was prior
to conception of the child.
1349
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,280
It was.
1350
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,680
Dorothy Reay was born in '61.
1351
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,680
George Reay did this kind of work till '57.
1352
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,160
His dosed badges must have been
gone off like an alarm clock.
1353
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,760
They go black.
1354
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,400
And he fought the fire in
the reactor in the same year.
1355
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:44,656
And they sent a Geiger counter around
1356
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,280
to check his house after that.
1357
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,096
I don't believe he could have
received less than 100 MSVs.
1358
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,680
I know they turn black.
1359
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,480
I'm sorry, but one thing.
1360
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,000
Even if Mr. Reay and Mr. Hope
and Stephen D'arcy did all
1361
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,280
receive 100 millisievert doses, that
1362
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,840
could still be lower than
other workers who also lived
1363
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,240
outside Seascale and did
similar jobs at the plant
1364
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,480
but didn't father leukemic children.
1365
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,280
It would come as a nasty surprise
1366
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,720
if BNFL revealed that
when you're in court.
1367
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:20,080
To win, for Hope and Reay and D'arcy,
1368
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,120
using the Gardner model, we
have to prove that they had
1369
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,920
radiation doses so high
that where they lived
1370
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,240
becomes irrelevant.
1371
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,560
Well, in that case, we get the radiation
1372
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,320
records of all the people
used in the Gardner study.
1373
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:43,560
117.
1374
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,600
And we... fine.
1375
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:53,400
And we compare their doses
against those of our clients.
1376
01:13:53,440 --> 01:14:00,000
And yeah, pray our
clients come out on top.
1377
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,760
And what if they don't?
1378
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:02,840
We're dead in the water.
1379
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,800
Wow, you're
the first person I've
1380
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,200
seen do their own transplant.
1381
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:19,120
Well done.
1382
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:20,160
Yay.
1383
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,360
Well done, Gem.
1384
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,120
Yeah.
1385
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,960
Well, we did ask for radiation records.
1386
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,720
We certainly got them.
1387
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,520
Rads to sieverts dose equivalent
collective effective dose
1388
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,320
equivalent expressed as a man sieverts.
1389
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:01,480
It's madness.
1390
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,280
Got any quality evidence for me yet?
1391
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,200
No.
1392
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:09,880
Rads to sieverts are a bloody nightmare.
1393
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:10,960
Yeah, yeah. Go on.
1394
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,480
Yeah.
1395
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:13,936
But we've got two record
cards which we've worked out,
1396
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,600
and they both show that George Reay
1397
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,520
and David Hope had doses higher
than Gardner requires of them.
1398
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:19,440
Great.
1399
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:20,560
Yeah.
1400
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,280
George Reay had a 384 millisievert
1401
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:24,840
lifetime dose of radiation.
1402
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:25,720
That's high.
1403
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,160
Yeah.
1404
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,760
But it's not as high as
Sarah thinks it should be.
1405
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,280
Sarah.
1406
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,240
George Reay, 384
millisieverts of radiation.
1407
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,256
It doesn't bring him even
close to the date of BNFL
1408
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,920
will quote at you.
1409
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,376
Radiation to the atom bomb survivors.
1410
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,040
Excuse me.
1411
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,376
We're talking about the Gardner
report, not the A-bomb data.
1412
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,000
Look, 3 and 1/2 times the radiation
1413
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,520
dose that Gardner said he'd
need to father a leukemic child.
1414
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,456
The Reays
lived miles from the plant,
1415
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:55,600
so we need him nearer the A-bomb data.
1416
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:56,936
I'm talking to you about Gardner.
1417
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,240
Listen to me.
1418
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,400
384 millisieverts is
nowhere near the atom
1419
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:02,080
bomb survivors' 1,000.
1420
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,760
That is what BNFL will keep
mentioning to the judge.
1421
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,440
They'll try to discredit Gardner.
1422
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,680
But what they can't
discredit is the A-bomb data.
1423
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,120
George Reay fought the '57 fire shoving
1424
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,680
radioactive cartridges out of a burning
1425
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,680
reactor with scaffolding poles.
1426
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,040
I mean, you know?
1427
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,680
How much radiation
does a person need?
1428
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,600
I really think we need to
get nearer to the A-bomb data.
1429
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,760
And if we look at David
Hope, it gets even gloomier.
1430
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,120
He's only 86 millisieverts
above Gardner's
1431
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,520
requirement for lifetime dose.
1432
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,360
Stephen D'arcy?
1433
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:41,960
His doses before Gemma's
conception look low.
1434
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,600
Great.
1435
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:45,920
Yeah?
1436
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:46,960
Put it through.
1437
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,760
Martyn, hello.
1438
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,840
Hello, how are you?
1439
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,376
All right, thank you.
1440
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:57,480
How are you?
1441
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,120
OK.
1442
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,000
We're all here at 8:30
working on your behalf.
1443
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,280
Hello, Gemma.
1444
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:04,320
Hello.
1445
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,536
My mom says to say
1446
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,760
I've got me on phone now.
1447
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,600
Your mom says you're
sick of being in bed.
1448
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:13,880
I am.
1449
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,320
I have pains because of lack of exercise.
1450
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,560
I've been here 16 weeks.
1451
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,480
I'm getting better though.
1452
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,480
My blood pressure is up,
so they give me some drugs
1453
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,880
and it's down now.
1454
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,080
A boy from the ward called David died.
1455
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,920
They buried him yesterday.
1456
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,840
He had another kind of leukemia to me.
1457
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,400
My mom says, are we winning?
1458
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:47,840
Yeah, yeah, just you
keep on winning, love.
1459
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,120
OK?
1460
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:50,216
Bye bye.
1461
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:51,240
Bye.
1462
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,376
These radiation doses aren't going
1463
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,120
to convince any judge that Sellafield
1464
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:01,600
causes these leukemias.
1465
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,216
Gown.
For Christ sakes.
1466
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,360
Get a gown, Susan.
1467
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,240
Gemma.
1468
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,400
Susan.
1469
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:20,696
Gemma,
come on, lovely.
1470
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:21,600
Come on.
1471
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,160
Susan.
1472
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,160
You what?
1473
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,560
I want a Mackeson.
1474
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,440
Did you say Mackeson?
1475
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,800
Demon.
1476
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,080
I nearly died when she
said she wanted a Mackeson.
1477
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,080
She can't taste anything because
of all the drugs, you see?
1478
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,760
I still gave her a sip of his Mackeson.
1479
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:48,800
She tasted that.
1480
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,160
I'd give anything to be on that
bus with her taking her home.
1481
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,040
Gemma.
1482
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,080
Gemma.
1483
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,320
Gemma.
1484
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,680
I'm not
going back to bed.
1485
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,440
I'm want Richenda.
1486
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:32,920
Oh, Gemma, pet, you're not
allowed out of your room.
1487
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,600
She's with my mom and dad.
1488
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,000
I wanted to be here as well.
1489
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,000
Martyn.
1490
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,040
Martyn.
1491
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:22,800
What?
1492
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:23,840
Come back in.
1493
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:28,056
It was buried in the
middle of one of the files.
1494
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,840
See this.
1495
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:34,480
1960, Huw Howells, Sellafield
health and safety manager
1496
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,920
reports to the BNFL management board,
1497
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:42,040
Kodak radiation badges are
under-recording by 30%.
1498
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,160
And the old Ilford badges have been
1499
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,880
under-recording by up to 60%.
1500
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,480
It's all stuck in there.
1501
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,720
He recommended that all workers
be informed that they have
1502
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,480
receive more radiation
than they had thought
1503
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,240
and the information being
noted on their record cards.
1504
01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,320
Yeah?
1505
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,120
They weren't.
1506
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,960
We've got the record cards, and this
1507
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,080
isn't mentioned on any of them.
1508
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,120
Brilliant.
1509
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:08,960
Own goal, BNFL.
1510
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,520
Martyn this is quality stuff for the judge.
1511
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,560
A management that doesn't
inform his own workforce
1512
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,760
about the inaccurate
radiation badges, that
1513
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,280
tells the Black committee that
its radiated emissions are
1514
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,040
lower by a factor of 50 than
they really are, and publishes
1515
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,680
inaccurate surveys about
the amount of plutonium
1516
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,680
they've pumped out over Cumbria.
1517
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,176
Investigate them much
more, we'll probably
1518
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,240
find out the shot Kennedy.
1519
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:37,600
Yes.
1520
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,480
You're 0.5.
1521
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,400
Yes!
1522
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:45,440
Yes!
1523
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:57,440
Tina, she's 0.5.
1524
01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:58,616
She says, she's taking a Valium.
1525
01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:59,640
Woo.
1526
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,520
Susan, I was a bit
suspicious of today's count,
1527
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,200
so I've been to check the blood myself.
1528
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:23,280
I'm sorry, but the 0.5 was a mistake.
1529
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:31,320
It should have read 0.1.
1530
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:39,360
It should have read 0.1.
1531
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:40,920
I don't believe anything no more.
1532
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:46,680
Have you told Gemma.
1533
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,560
You tell her.
1534
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,480
I feel like shit.
1535
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:00,920
Oh, Jesus.
1536
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:05,080
I can't stand this sodding place.
1537
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,720
I thought she was getting better.
1538
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,800
How can they make mistakes like that?
1539
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:18,040
Going to make me some tea now, yeah?
1540
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,040
You're doing great, Gem.
1541
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,000
Really pleased with you, pet.
1542
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,400
Can I go home soon then?
1543
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:25,440
Yeah.
1544
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,320
You know that tea set
you said I could have?
1545
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,240
Well, can I have a blue one?
1546
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,680
Is that what you got me here for?
1547
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,000
Can I have a blue one?
1548
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,800
Can I?
1549
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,560
Gemma, it's nearly 3
o'clock in the morning.
1550
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,120
You're supposed to rest.
1551
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:25,240
You keep doing this.
1552
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,920
Don't you want to get well, hey?
1553
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,720
Oh, give them away.
1554
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,160
You don't have to give
me tea set or nothing.
1555
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:36,480
Richenda can have it all.
1556
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,200
I hate being in bed.
1557
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,160
I'm by myself.
1558
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,160
I want to go home.
1559
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,960
Oh, geez.
1560
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,000
Oh, Jesus.
1561
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,280
I'm sorry.
1562
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:53,440
Oh, God.
1563
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:54,640
I'm sorry.
1564
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,680
I'm sorry.
1565
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:57,760
I'm sorry.
1566
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,040
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
1567
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,000
I'm sorry.
1568
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,240
We're going home, all right?
1569
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,240
We're going home.
1570
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,120
Oh, God.
1571
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,040
I'm sorry.
1572
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,320
I'm sorry.
1573
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:08,800
We're going home.
1574
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,360
I'm so tired.
1575
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,280
I'm sorry.
1576
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,200
I'm sorry.
1577
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,200
I'm just so tired.
1578
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,240
I'm sorry.
1579
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:32,920
Do you know who ordered this pizza?
1580
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:34,520
Gemma D'arcy.
1581
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:35,720
There's no olives, is there?
1582
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,480
God.
1583
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,800
Richard, here.
1584
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,440
BNFL now say the workers' radiation
1585
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:49,480
dose badges were not according
to them under-recording.
1586
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,000
The Ilford badges were accurate.
1587
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,560
The Kodak badges were over recording.
1588
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,720
Couldn't you just hug
them by the throat?
1589
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,360
I mean, they've not said a word
to their workforce in 25 years.
1590
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,456
And the moment we catch them out,
1591
01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:00,840
they've got an instant answer.
1592
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,240
Sorry, what have they
said about dose records?
1593
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,200
Oh, that our clients
haven't had more radiation
1594
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:06,320
than their records show.
1595
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:07,616
- They've probably had less.
- Crap.
1596
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,656
- Seconded.
- What's wrong?
1597
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:09,520
Hang on.
1598
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,000
Hang on.
1599
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,360
BNFL have just let us paint
ourselves into a corner.
1600
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:16,960
Why?
1601
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,360
Gardner based his research
on figures from BNFL radiation
1602
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:20,640
dose records.
1603
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,480
If we say the records are wrong, we also
1604
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,440
invalidate Gardner's findings.
1605
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:28,200
And our entire case is
based on his findings.
1606
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,376
Well, the next letter will
be BNFL asking the courts
1607
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,000
to throw the case out.
1608
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:39,840
They'll say we're basing our
action on discredited evidence.
1609
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,320
Right.
1610
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,016
If Gardner's research is
based on inaccurate figures,
1611
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:44,240
it'll have to be done again.
1612
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:45,120
By whom?
1613
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:46,240
Us.
1614
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:47,160
Us?
1615
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:48,640
Yeah.
1616
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,256
We'll never have time
before the exchange, Martyn.
1617
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,680
We'll have to make time, won't we?
1618
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:52,736
- How?
- I don't know.
1619
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,200
I haven't got any better ideas.
1620
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,480
There are 9,000 record
cards to go through.
1621
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,120
We have to do the recalculation,
1622
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,520
otherwise we'll have nothing
to take into court with us.
1623
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:01,880
It's a risk.
1624
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,120
By recalculating Gardner
based on new figures,
1625
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,240
we may lose the statistical
link between the plant
1626
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:09,160
and the leukemias.
1627
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,600
No link, no case.
1628
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,560
Yeah.
1629
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,200
Well, we can't duck it.
1630
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:20,240
We'll have to do the recalculation.
1631
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:21,816
We'll be in unchartered
waters for lawyers.
1632
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,760
Looking for the truth
rather than good evidence.
1633
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:26,720
Hey?
1634
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:27,760
Well, come on.
1635
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:43,640
Heya.
1636
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,016
She's still got a water pistol, Martyn.
1637
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,040
So watch out.
1638
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:15,960
Don't be upset.
1639
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,600
She was looking forward to seeing you,
1640
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:20,320
her own lawyer.
1641
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,000
How's the case going?
1642
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,520
It's...
1643
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:33,920
I'm sorry.
1644
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,320
I'm shocked.
1645
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:38,360
It's still Gemma.
1646
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,200
She's been in a lot of pain.
1647
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,280
They had to give her
morphine this morning.
1648
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,696
They think the busulfan they've
been given her as killed
1649
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:00,800
the scaffold in her bones.
1650
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,360
The marrow has nothing to graft onto.
1651
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,640
There's nothing they can do for her.
1652
01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:18,800
Probably go home in a few days.
1653
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,280
I shan't say she's dying.
1654
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:27,760
We're just all going home.
1655
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:36,680
We want to see direct
medical evidence if possible.
1656
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,680
This is based on statistical evidence.
1657
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,320
It's a first-class report.
1658
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:41,480
Let's get it clear.
1659
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,240
We welcome it.
1660
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,400
We're very anxious that further
research should be done.
1661
01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:51,280
Latest is that BNFL have
refused to accept the Gardner
1662
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:52,856
report, and they've applied to the courts
1663
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,040
to take all the documents from his study.
1664
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:57,800
Will the court allow that?
1665
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,000
Well, they already have.
1666
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,696
Yeah, and not just because
of the Howell's report.
1667
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,040
No, listen to this.
1668
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,680
One of the people that
he included in his study
1669
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,600
was born and also died in Seascale
1670
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:13,960
but was diagnosed leukemic while
he was at college in Bristol.
1671
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:18,000
And according to BNFL, that
shows that the whole report
1672
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,680
is flawed.
1673
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,640
Be a fight to the finish
then, won't it, Richard?
1674
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,720
Oh, oh, Gemma.
1675
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:46,600
Susan, I just don't know
how she's standing up.
1676
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:47,880
That's Gemma.
1677
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,840
I don't know why she feels better.
1678
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:51,296
It could be the thought of going home,
1679
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:54,440
or it could be the morphine
getting rid of her pain.
1680
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,840
But the improvement
will only be temporary.
1681
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,480
Look,
1682
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:06,960
we very rarely suggest this.
1683
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,480
But she's fighting for
her life, so we must.
1684
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,360
We want to try for a third transplant.
1685
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:19,360
Thanks.
1686
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,680
This one is resident in Seascale.
1687
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:25,600
Yes.
1688
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:26,480
Of course.
1689
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:27,480
So they couldn't really...
1690
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:28,360
I mean, there's no...
1691
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,360
Time to slash our wrists.
1692
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,280
Never say die.
1693
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,080
The recalculated figures
based on the radiation
1694
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,040
badges under-recording don't invalidate.
1695
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:40,600
Professor Gardner's findings.
1696
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,320
For David Hope and George Reay, they
1697
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,440
actually strengthen their case.
1698
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:47,480
David Hope's official
record showed a radiation
1699
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,600
dose of 184 millisieverts.
1700
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,200
Recalculated, his dose is 294.
1701
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:56,400
That's almost three times
the Gardner minimum.
1702
01:31:56,440 --> 01:32:00,840
George Reay's official
record was 384 millisieverts.
1703
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:06,880
It should have shown 709, almost
as high as the A-bomb data
1704
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,880
and seven times the Gardner minimum
1705
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,480
for fathering a leukemic child.
1706
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:13,960
Those two cases are unstoppable.
1707
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,000
Yes.
1708
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:20,360
And Stephen D'arcy?
1709
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,120
His radiation dose is still too low
1710
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:27,280
to fit the Gardner model.
1711
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,040
So.
1712
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:40,160
We go forward with Elizabeth
Reay and Vivien Hope,
1713
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,000
and not Gemma D'arcy.
1714
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,576
Will a Mrs.
Susan D'arcy return to the ward
1715
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,040
immediately, please?
1716
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,800
Mrs. Susan D'arcy to
the ward immediately.
1717
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,000
Oh, no.
1718
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:08,920
Oh, no.
1719
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,360
Jesus, no, please.
1720
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,200
She's 2.2.
1721
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:37,080
It's true.
1722
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,080
2.2... 69% neutrophils.
1723
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,600
Well, it's about time you
booked up your ideas, miss.
1724
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:51,640
I know.
1725
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,080
Come on, Gem.
1726
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:57,216
Come on, Gemma.
1727
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,120
It's all right, pet.
1728
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:00,960
Come on.
1729
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:01,840
It's OK, Gemma.
1730
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:02,760
Honest.
1731
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:03,800
You can cross the line.
1732
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,360
Go on. That's it.
1733
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:06,400
Go on, you can do it.
1734
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:14,400
Yes.
1735
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,400
That's not Gemma D'arcy.
1736
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:55,080
It is.
1737
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:23,720
Hiya, pet.
1738
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:24,640
You all right?
1739
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:26,120
Are you warm?
1740
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:27,040
You all right?
1741
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:28,880
Yeah?
1742
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:30,080
Are you?
1743
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,720
Why don't you sing that song for me?
1744
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,160
Hey?
1745
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:35,040
Come on.
1746
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:37,560
Sing it for your mum.
1747
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,600
Hot dog sausages for your tea.
1748
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,600
Bring them... come on,
Richenda can sing it.
1749
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,080
Come on.
1750
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,800
Hot dog sausages for your tea.
1751
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,040
Badum chick a chick a,
boom boom, yeah yeah.
1752
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:50,520
For you and me.
1753
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,840
Badum chick a chick a,
boom boom, yeah yeah.
1754
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,440
I mean, I'm not
giving up with Gemma's case.
1755
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:00,016
But Steve doesn't fit the Gardner report,
1756
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,920
and that's the evidence
I have to use to win.
1757
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,320
I haven't had enough contamination?
1758
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,880
So it seems.
1759
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,560
I mean, four days ago,
BNFL's own scientists finally
1760
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:16,600
admitted the plutonium we found
in the soil means emissions
1761
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:20,440
from there into the environment
are 300 times higher than have
1762
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:23,320
ever previously been admitted.
1763
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:27,160
But even that, by today's risk standards,
1764
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,200
still isn't thought high
enough to cause leukemia.
1765
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,840
We keep getting anonymous
letters calling us names
1766
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,400
for going after compensation.
1767
01:36:36,440 --> 01:36:37,856
Pity we can't write
back and tell 'em we're
1768
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,200
not even involved anymore.
1769
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:41,800
We might get some peace then.
1770
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:47,680
Even if it's not about Gemma in court,
1771
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,600
let them all know about her, Martyn.
1772
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,160
You know, a lot of people up here
1773
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,880
have been really off about
me making a fuss about her.
1774
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,816
You think I enjoy being
interviewed on the television
1775
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:56,680
and the paper?
1776
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:58,200
I don't.
1777
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,520
I do it because I want people
to know about this case.
1778
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:03,640
And whatever happens,
whether she lives or dies,
1779
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,000
I want people to know my
daughter Gemma existed.
1780
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,880
And she mattered.
1781
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,120
Mom.
1782
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,880
Yeah?
1783
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:22,920
Oh, no.
1784
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:29,280
Gemma.
1785
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:30,320
Gemma.
1786
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,640
You know, I love you, don't you?
1787
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:55,200
You know I really love you.
1788
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:56,800
Yes.
1789
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:57,840
I'm cold.
1790
01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:03,440
I've got her.
1791
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,920
Let me take her.
1792
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:11,240
Get out of my way.
1793
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:21,616
Would you like me to call a priest?
1794
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:23,800
She's not dying.
1795
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,600
Come on.
1796
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:26,640
Come on, pet.
1797
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:31,720
We have to get fluid it her.
1798
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:36,240
Don't rig it up.
1799
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:36,960
I'll get it straight out of the bottle.
1800
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:37,840
50 mil syringe.
1801
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,000
Just hang on, pet.
1802
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:40,280
Just hang on.
1803
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:41,280
Shh, it's OK.
1804
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:42,520
It's OK.
1805
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:43,400
Hang on.
1806
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:44,320
Just hang on.
1807
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,360
Just hang on.
1808
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:47,680
Just hang on.
1809
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,480
Just hang on.
1810
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,200
They've got my water pistol.
1811
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:01,480
Just hang on.
1812
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,360
Just hang on.
1813
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,360
We'll get her up to ICU.
1814
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:06,480
Mommy.
1815
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:07,920
Shh, it's all right.
1816
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:08,960
Mommy.
1817
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:09,920
It's all right.
1818
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:11,280
It's going to be all right.
1819
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:12,520
Just hang on, pet.
1820
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:13,680
Just hang on.
1821
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:14,800
Just hang on.
1822
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:19,240
She'll be all right.
1823
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:20,520
She'll be all right.
1824
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:21,400
She'll be all right.
1825
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:22,640
She'll be all right.
1826
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:23,520
It's all right, Gemma.
1827
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:24,560
I'm here.
1828
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:08,680
I think I'm dying now, Mom.
1829
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:17,240
I tried, Gemma.
1830
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:20,760
I tried.
1831
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:55,360
♪ I've got sunshine
1832
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,960
♪ on a cloudy day
1833
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:04,360
♪ And it's cold outside
1834
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:08,680
♪ I've got the month of May
1835
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:15,160
♪ Oh, I guess you'd say
1836
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:19,640
♪ What can make you
make me this way ♪
1837
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,120
♪ This my girl
1838
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:27,240
♪ Talkin' 'bout my girl
1839
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:32,600
♪ I've got so much loving
1840
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:37,040
♪ All the bees envy me
1841
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:41,240
♪ I've got a sweeter
song that I can sing ♪
1842
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:46,040
♪ than the birds in the trees
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