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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,701 --> 00:00:07,397 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,398 --> 00:00:08,790 the people are represented 3 00:00:08,791 --> 00:00:11,010 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:11,011 --> 00:00:12,968 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:12,969 --> 00:00:15,884 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:15,885 --> 00:00:17,713 These are their stories. 7 00:01:19,035 --> 00:01:20,557 Come on, Mark. 8 00:01:20,558 --> 00:01:22,255 You thought you were gonna sneak out of here 9 00:01:22,256 --> 00:01:23,866 without anyone noticing? 10 00:01:25,215 --> 00:01:28,043 all: Surprise! 11 00:01:28,044 --> 00:01:29,392 No, no, no. 12 00:01:29,393 --> 00:01:32,091 You guys. 13 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:33,744 Hey, drink up. 14 00:01:33,745 --> 00:01:34,745 Sparkling cider. 15 00:01:34,746 --> 00:01:36,704 No need to write us up. 16 00:01:36,705 --> 00:01:38,009 Listen up, everybody. 17 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,837 I'm not gonna belabor this, guys. 18 00:01:39,838 --> 00:01:41,361 I know we got places to be. 19 00:01:41,362 --> 00:01:43,276 Guy's got tickets to Fiji waiting at home. 20 00:01:44,713 --> 00:01:46,235 Costa Rica. 21 00:01:46,236 --> 00:01:48,324 Someplace with those little umbrellas in your drink. 22 00:01:49,979 --> 00:01:54,809 For keeping our skies safe for 37 years. 23 00:01:57,943 --> 00:02:00,119 And just being a mensch. 24 00:02:01,947 --> 00:02:03,209 To Mark. 25 00:02:03,210 --> 00:02:05,994 all: To Mark. 26 00:02:05,995 --> 00:02:08,518 Don't leave me with these people. 27 00:02:09,694 --> 00:02:11,913 We're gonna miss you, buddy. 28 00:02:11,914 --> 00:02:14,045 Miss you too, Brook. 29 00:02:14,046 --> 00:02:17,484 Any advice for the young bucks? 30 00:02:17,485 --> 00:02:19,225 Enjoy the ride. 31 00:02:19,226 --> 00:02:22,228 There's no shortcuts to any place worth going. 32 00:02:22,229 --> 00:02:23,142 Cheers, my friends. 33 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:25,056 all: Cheers. 34 00:02:25,057 --> 00:02:28,582 โ™ช That's when when you realize โ™ช 35 00:02:28,583 --> 00:02:33,108 โ™ช That's when you open your eyes and say โ™ช 36 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:36,372 โ™ช Doesn't get better than this โ™ช 37 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:38,809 โ™ช Ooh, yeah โ™ช 38 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:42,335 โ™ช Doesn't get better, doesn't get better โ™ช 39 00:02:42,336 --> 00:02:43,423 โ™ช Doesn't get better โ™ช 40 00:02:45,774 --> 00:02:47,035 โ™ช Ooh, yeah โ™ช 41 00:02:48,559 --> 00:02:51,300 โ™ช Doesn't get better, doesn't get better โ™ช 42 00:02:51,301 --> 00:02:54,564 โ™ช Doesn't get better than this โ™ช 43 00:02:54,565 --> 00:02:55,696 Hey. 44 00:02:55,697 --> 00:02:56,914 Hey, are you okay? 45 00:03:02,051 --> 00:03:04,183 911, what's your emergency? 46 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:06,272 We need an ambulance, please. 47 00:03:15,064 --> 00:03:16,586 What do we got? 48 00:03:16,587 --> 00:03:18,719 Two gunshots to the back. 49 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,721 Small-cal casings. 50 00:03:20,722 --> 00:03:21,722 No witnesses yet. 51 00:03:21,723 --> 00:03:24,203 Still canvassing. 52 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:25,639 Let's make sure we pull that footage. 53 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:27,031 You got it. 54 00:03:27,032 --> 00:03:28,511 - Hey, partner. - Hey. 55 00:03:28,512 --> 00:03:29,556 We ID our vic? 56 00:03:29,557 --> 00:03:31,688 Mm-hmm. Mark Turner. 57 00:03:31,689 --> 00:03:35,475 Got this from the Federal Aviation Administration, 2023. 58 00:03:35,476 --> 00:03:37,781 35 years of service. 59 00:03:37,782 --> 00:03:39,566 Who called 911? 60 00:03:39,567 --> 00:03:40,697 I didn't see it. 61 00:03:40,698 --> 00:03:41,785 I didn't hear it. 62 00:03:41,786 --> 00:03:43,309 I thought he just crashed. 63 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:45,354 I didn't know he got shot. - Okay. All right. 64 00:03:45,355 --> 00:03:48,357 Did you see anything else, anyone leaving the scene? 65 00:03:48,358 --> 00:03:49,663 No. 66 00:03:49,664 --> 00:03:50,968 Did he manage to say anything to you 67 00:03:50,969 --> 00:03:52,056 before he died? 68 00:03:52,057 --> 00:03:53,449 Yeah. 69 00:03:53,450 --> 00:03:55,364 He told me I should wear a helmet. 70 00:04:52,248 --> 00:04:53,728 He's really gone? 71 00:04:55,164 --> 00:04:56,425 I'm afraid so. 72 00:04:56,426 --> 00:04:58,035 We can only imagine how much of a shock 73 00:04:58,036 --> 00:04:59,950 this must be for you, 74 00:04:59,951 --> 00:05:02,301 but now we gotta figure out who did this, okay? 75 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:03,519 Can you tell us, was your husband 76 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,261 having any problems recently? 77 00:05:06,262 --> 00:05:07,958 Maybe any issues at work? 78 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:11,048 No, it was quite the opposite. 79 00:05:11,049 --> 00:05:13,616 He just retired. 80 00:05:13,617 --> 00:05:15,357 Today was his last day. 81 00:05:15,358 --> 00:05:18,361 We're--we're supposed to go to Costa Rica in the morning. 82 00:05:19,841 --> 00:05:21,145 We were. 83 00:05:21,146 --> 00:05:23,496 What about money, Ms. Turner? 84 00:05:23,497 --> 00:05:27,021 Any debt, liens, or problems? 85 00:05:27,022 --> 00:05:28,065 No, no. 86 00:05:28,066 --> 00:05:30,546 He--he didn't believe in it. 87 00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:34,333 Cut your coat according to your cloth. 88 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:35,943 If I had a dime for the number of times 89 00:05:35,944 --> 00:05:37,771 he preached that to the kids, I'd be rich. 90 00:05:39,426 --> 00:05:44,168 Oh, my God, the kids. 91 00:05:44,169 --> 00:05:45,344 They don't even know yet. 92 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:46,867 I--I have to call them. 93 00:05:46,868 --> 00:05:48,782 We just have one more question, I promise. 94 00:05:48,783 --> 00:05:51,480 Can you tell us why your husband was 95 00:05:51,481 --> 00:05:53,352 on the Hudson bike path tonight? 96 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:56,920 He biked to and from the office every single day. 97 00:05:56,921 --> 00:06:00,272 He said it was the safest way to travel in the city. 98 00:06:03,101 --> 00:06:04,363 Thank you. 99 00:06:09,847 --> 00:06:11,631 Is that the footage from the scene? 100 00:06:11,632 --> 00:06:14,024 Yeah. Check it out. 101 00:06:14,025 --> 00:06:17,898 Turner takes two in the back, and then the perp takes off. 102 00:06:17,899 --> 00:06:19,247 We lose him after that. 103 00:06:19,248 --> 00:06:20,857 Facial rec's no good. 104 00:06:20,858 --> 00:06:22,946 Perp's helmet and face coverings saw to that. 105 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:24,774 He knew what he was doing. 106 00:06:24,775 --> 00:06:26,385 So much so, I can't even tell for sure if he's a he. 107 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:27,560 Yeah. 108 00:06:27,561 --> 00:06:28,996 The shooter's bike is a Merrimac Pro. 109 00:06:28,997 --> 00:06:30,911 Second best-selling bike in New York. 110 00:06:30,912 --> 00:06:33,261 All right, well, not a lot of help there. 111 00:06:33,262 --> 00:06:34,610 This might be. 112 00:06:34,611 --> 00:06:37,004 TARU got into Mark Turner's cloud. 113 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:39,180 27 unanswered texts 114 00:06:39,181 --> 00:06:41,443 from a Bodie Walsh day of the murder. 115 00:06:41,444 --> 00:06:43,402 27 seems excessive. 116 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:44,577 Wait till you read 'em. 117 00:06:44,578 --> 00:06:47,057 "How can you do this to me? 118 00:06:47,058 --> 00:06:48,537 There will be consequences." 119 00:06:48,538 --> 00:06:49,799 Right. Bodie Walsh is the head 120 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,410 of an aviation consultant firm, 121 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:54,151 SkyGuard Solutions, formed a month ago. 122 00:06:54,152 --> 00:06:56,371 His home in Astoria is the corporate headquarters. 123 00:06:56,372 --> 00:06:59,330 One employee, the late Mark Turner. 124 00:06:59,331 --> 00:07:01,202 This last text from Bodie, 125 00:07:01,203 --> 00:07:04,858 "Arman Sargsyan doesn't mess around." 126 00:07:04,859 --> 00:07:05,902 If he says so. 127 00:07:05,903 --> 00:07:07,077 No, he's right. 128 00:07:07,078 --> 00:07:08,949 Sargsyan is a legit gangster. 129 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:11,386 Loansharking, money laundering, drugs. 130 00:07:11,387 --> 00:07:12,953 How's a paper pusher like Mark Turner 131 00:07:12,954 --> 00:07:14,650 get involved with organized crime? 132 00:07:14,651 --> 00:07:17,654 Why don't you pay Mr. Walsh a visit and find out? 133 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:23,746 Bodie Walsh. 134 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:25,356 NYPD, open up. 135 00:07:25,357 --> 00:07:26,793 Not a great time. 136 00:07:26,794 --> 00:07:28,099 What's this about? 137 00:07:29,274 --> 00:07:31,580 Murder investigation. 138 00:07:35,977 --> 00:07:38,108 Bodie Walsh? 139 00:07:38,109 --> 00:07:39,283 - That's me. - Jesus. 140 00:07:39,284 --> 00:07:40,589 What happened to you? 141 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:41,764 Can I help you? 142 00:07:41,765 --> 00:07:43,157 We need to talk about Mark Turner. 143 00:07:46,161 --> 00:07:47,683 Can we go someplace? 144 00:07:47,684 --> 00:07:49,469 It doesn't feel safe here. 145 00:07:51,819 --> 00:07:53,473 Yeah. Yeah, get your stuff. 146 00:08:05,354 --> 00:08:07,269 Rough week? 147 00:08:09,227 --> 00:08:11,794 You wanna fill me in? 148 00:08:11,795 --> 00:08:14,798 Your face tells me you owe the Armenians money. 149 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:18,105 Was Mark Turner in the hole too? 150 00:08:18,106 --> 00:08:19,367 Is that why he's dead? 151 00:08:19,368 --> 00:08:20,586 God, no. 152 00:08:20,587 --> 00:08:21,674 Mark was a saint. 153 00:08:21,675 --> 00:08:22,979 Yeah, see, that's the point. 154 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:25,286 As far as we can tell, you're not. 155 00:08:25,287 --> 00:08:26,461 You're in a bunch of debt. 156 00:08:26,462 --> 00:08:28,463 You owe money to some violent people. 157 00:08:28,464 --> 00:08:29,986 You threatened Mark with consequences, 158 00:08:29,987 --> 00:08:31,161 and now he's dead. 159 00:08:31,162 --> 00:08:32,423 I'm a murder cop, 160 00:08:32,424 --> 00:08:34,687 so you can see where I'm going with this. 161 00:08:34,688 --> 00:08:36,340 I was in trouble. 162 00:08:36,341 --> 00:08:37,646 I needed Mark's help. 163 00:08:37,647 --> 00:08:40,344 That's why I wrote those stupid messages. 164 00:08:40,345 --> 00:08:41,781 Explain. 165 00:08:41,782 --> 00:08:46,437 A lot of stuff I invested in went belly up, 166 00:08:46,438 --> 00:08:49,136 and I doubled down and borrowed money from the Armenians. 167 00:08:49,137 --> 00:08:50,093 And I don't have it. 168 00:08:50,094 --> 00:08:51,531 No kidding. 169 00:08:53,184 --> 00:08:54,663 Why Mark Turner? 170 00:08:54,664 --> 00:08:56,012 We grew up together. 171 00:08:56,013 --> 00:08:58,014 He went one way, I went the other, 172 00:08:58,015 --> 00:08:59,538 but we were gonna start a new business. 173 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:01,888 Yeah, an aviation consulting firm. 174 00:09:01,889 --> 00:09:04,238 It was gonna work, too, I swear. 175 00:09:04,239 --> 00:09:07,502 See, guys like Mark, government guys, 176 00:09:07,503 --> 00:09:10,287 a lot of them go into consulting when they retire. 177 00:09:10,288 --> 00:09:12,942 Well, it sounds ideal. What went wrong? 178 00:09:12,943 --> 00:09:15,728 I booked our first job, and Mark wouldn't play ball. 179 00:09:15,729 --> 00:09:16,946 Why not? 180 00:09:16,947 --> 00:09:18,165 Job was with an insurance company. 181 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:19,732 It was a skydiving accident. 182 00:09:19,733 --> 00:09:21,298 They didn't wanna pay up. 183 00:09:21,299 --> 00:09:22,561 Mark found out the person 184 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:24,432 who packed the parachute was uncertified. 185 00:09:24,433 --> 00:09:26,565 He didn't wanna let the company off the hook, 186 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,567 which was literally what they were paying us to do. 187 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:29,655 Yeah. And you needed the money. 188 00:09:29,656 --> 00:09:31,657 People have killed for less, Bodie. 189 00:09:31,658 --> 00:09:33,789 I didn't. I swear. 190 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:35,748 Mark was too good for this world. 191 00:09:35,749 --> 00:09:38,054 He was such a goody two-shoes about safety. 192 00:09:38,055 --> 00:09:40,187 People were always getting pissed at him. 193 00:09:40,188 --> 00:09:41,536 He even got death threats. 194 00:09:41,537 --> 00:09:43,016 When? 195 00:09:43,017 --> 00:09:45,801 Like, the last few weeks. 196 00:09:45,802 --> 00:09:47,411 From who? 197 00:09:47,412 --> 00:09:49,413 A guy named Eric Savage. 198 00:09:49,414 --> 00:09:50,677 The boxer? 199 00:09:54,376 --> 00:09:55,811 Bodie's alibi checks out. 200 00:09:55,812 --> 00:09:57,160 Okay. 201 00:09:57,161 --> 00:09:58,509 He was right about those threats too. 202 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,990 The warrant just dropped for Turner's FAA cell. 203 00:10:00,991 --> 00:10:03,079 Eric Savage left this voicemail last week. 204 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,646 We checked the phone records and everything. 205 00:10:04,647 --> 00:10:05,995 This is really him. 206 00:10:05,996 --> 00:10:08,955 Turner, you're a dead man. You hear me? 207 00:10:08,956 --> 00:10:11,914 What the hell is mild-mannered Mark Turner doing 208 00:10:11,915 --> 00:10:14,656 tangled up with a middleweight boxing champion? 209 00:10:14,657 --> 00:10:16,832 I mean, the dude's like Forrest Gump. 210 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:19,443 Are you familiar with the Nomad Rocket? 211 00:10:19,444 --> 00:10:20,706 Space tourism for the rich and famous? 212 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:21,968 Yeah. 213 00:10:21,969 --> 00:10:23,709 The FAA regulates commercial space flight. 214 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:25,972 Ten days ago, Mark Turner called off 215 00:10:25,973 --> 00:10:27,582 a launch at the last second. 216 00:10:27,583 --> 00:10:28,975 It caused quite a stir. 217 00:10:28,976 --> 00:10:30,977 Our boy Eric Savage was on that flight. 218 00:10:30,978 --> 00:10:32,152 Or he was supposed to be. 219 00:10:32,153 --> 00:10:33,632 He left that voicemail two days after 220 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:35,155 Turner canceled the launch. 221 00:10:35,156 --> 00:10:37,026 And it turns out Eric Savage had 222 00:10:37,027 --> 00:10:39,376 a different career before boxing-- 223 00:10:39,377 --> 00:10:42,597 aggravated assault, armed robbery. 224 00:10:42,598 --> 00:10:45,166 See what he has to say for himself. 225 00:10:52,869 --> 00:10:54,653 I'm gonna let you take point on this one. 226 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:55,741 Eric Savage. 227 00:10:55,742 --> 00:10:57,133 'Sup? 228 00:10:57,134 --> 00:10:58,526 Afternoon, guys. 229 00:10:58,527 --> 00:10:59,962 NYPD. 230 00:11:01,138 --> 00:11:03,357 What can I do for New York's finest? 231 00:11:03,358 --> 00:11:06,534 Well, we have video of you 232 00:11:06,535 --> 00:11:09,450 walking into the lobby of Mark Turner's office yesterday. 233 00:11:09,451 --> 00:11:10,538 And? 234 00:11:10,539 --> 00:11:11,670 And two hours later, 235 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:13,541 somebody shot him dead. 236 00:11:13,542 --> 00:11:14,803 Not a good look, man. 237 00:11:14,804 --> 00:11:16,196 I don't even own a gun. 238 00:11:16,197 --> 00:11:18,024 If I'm killing somebody, I'm using my hands. 239 00:11:18,025 --> 00:11:20,113 Not exactly doing yourself any favors there, Eric. 240 00:11:20,114 --> 00:11:22,942 We heard Turner crushed your dreams of going to space. 241 00:11:22,943 --> 00:11:24,247 And that pissed you off, right? 242 00:11:24,248 --> 00:11:25,553 Yeah. 243 00:11:25,554 --> 00:11:27,555 Why should Katy Perry have all the fun? 244 00:11:27,556 --> 00:11:29,600 You know, I ask myself that same question all the time. 245 00:11:29,601 --> 00:11:31,690 That flight would have got me triple 246 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:33,430 the amount of Instagram followers, 247 00:11:33,431 --> 00:11:35,476 and it cost me a huge endorsement deal. 248 00:11:35,477 --> 00:11:37,521 So you threatened Mark Turner's life 249 00:11:37,522 --> 00:11:38,871 and then went down to his office 250 00:11:38,872 --> 00:11:40,220 to make good on those threats. 251 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:41,612 I went to apologize. 252 00:11:41,613 --> 00:11:42,875 Really? 253 00:11:42,876 --> 00:11:44,659 Really. 254 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:48,010 Look, man, Turner was right. 255 00:11:48,011 --> 00:11:49,708 I did my research. 256 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:50,883 If we went up in the air, 257 00:11:50,884 --> 00:11:53,059 my insides could have been vaporized. 258 00:11:53,060 --> 00:11:54,843 All right, let's say we actually buy this story. 259 00:11:54,844 --> 00:11:56,236 How did Turner respond? 260 00:11:56,237 --> 00:11:57,890 He didn't. 261 00:11:57,891 --> 00:11:59,979 Security guard in the lobby wouldn't even let me near him. 262 00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:02,372 Said there had been an incident. 263 00:12:02,373 --> 00:12:04,201 No outside visitors allowed. 264 00:12:05,202 --> 00:12:07,814 All right, we'll look into that. 265 00:12:10,904 --> 00:12:13,427 Do you remember this incident that Eric Savage mentioned? 266 00:12:13,428 --> 00:12:14,863 Hard to forget. 267 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:16,865 This crazy lady blew up at a meeting upstairs. 268 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:19,085 I had to pretty much drag her out kicking and screaming. 269 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:20,651 Who was she? You got a name? 270 00:12:20,652 --> 00:12:21,870 No idea. 271 00:12:21,871 --> 00:12:23,785 I was just told by brass to escort her out. 272 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:25,091 And when was this? 273 00:12:25,092 --> 00:12:26,962 Last Tuesday, right before my shift ended, 274 00:12:26,963 --> 00:12:28,094 so about 5:00. 275 00:12:28,095 --> 00:12:29,704 All right. Thank you. 276 00:12:29,705 --> 00:12:30,879 Thank you. 277 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,925 So according to Turner's calendar, 278 00:12:32,926 --> 00:12:36,015 that meeting was regarding Titan Helicopter Corporation. 279 00:12:36,016 --> 00:12:37,494 Titan. 280 00:12:37,495 --> 00:12:39,453 That helicopter crash out in Bayport last summer. 281 00:12:39,454 --> 00:12:41,411 Yeah, five people died. 282 00:12:41,412 --> 00:12:43,762 The pilot, a family of four, 283 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:46,112 two kids, both under ten. 284 00:12:46,113 --> 00:12:48,636 That helicopter was a Titan. 285 00:12:48,637 --> 00:12:52,248 The day that bird went down was the worst day of my life. 286 00:12:52,249 --> 00:12:54,294 That poor family. 287 00:12:54,295 --> 00:12:56,949 And what was this meeting about at the FAA? 288 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,733 Oh, standard practice. 289 00:12:58,734 --> 00:13:00,909 When the FAA completes an investigation into an accident, 290 00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:02,606 they offer relevant parties 291 00:13:02,607 --> 00:13:05,132 a preview of their official determination. 292 00:13:06,089 --> 00:13:07,698 Which was? 293 00:13:07,699 --> 00:13:09,309 Pilot error. 294 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:10,527 Who was at this meeting? 295 00:13:10,528 --> 00:13:11,877 Mark Turner and a couple others 296 00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:14,793 from the FAA, a few of us from Titan, 297 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:17,404 relatives of the deceased, and Kate Leavy, 298 00:13:17,405 --> 00:13:19,101 wife of Brian Leavy, the pilot 299 00:13:19,102 --> 00:13:20,799 who was flying the day of the accident. 300 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,279 What, she was the one who freaked out at the meeting? 301 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,759 Big time. 302 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,240 Mark Turner headed up that FAA investigation, 303 00:13:27,241 --> 00:13:29,416 which tells you it was done right. 304 00:13:29,417 --> 00:13:30,939 And Kate Leavy? 305 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:34,116 Refused to accept that pilot error caused the crash. 306 00:13:34,117 --> 00:13:35,683 It was ugly. 307 00:13:35,684 --> 00:13:37,424 She called Mark Turner a liar, 308 00:13:37,425 --> 00:13:40,427 said that her husband was ex-Marine, 309 00:13:40,428 --> 00:13:42,255 that they don't make errors. 310 00:13:42,256 --> 00:13:43,691 They had to haul her out of there, 311 00:13:43,692 --> 00:13:45,606 and she was screaming into Turner's face, 312 00:13:45,607 --> 00:13:47,826 "This isn't over." 313 00:13:49,611 --> 00:13:51,438 Yeah, I'm not exactly sure I buy 314 00:13:51,439 --> 00:13:53,701 Kate Leavy's a cold-blooded killer. 315 00:13:53,702 --> 00:13:55,311 She's got no priors. 316 00:13:55,312 --> 00:13:57,270 She teaches Sunday school at Saint Catherine's. 317 00:13:57,271 --> 00:13:59,838 She posts on Instagram about her hyacinths. 318 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:03,015 Hey, turns out Kate Leavy's husband, the helicopter pilot, 319 00:14:03,016 --> 00:14:04,974 owned a licensed Sig Sauer. 320 00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:08,803 There he is, Brian Leavy. 321 00:14:08,804 --> 00:14:10,457 And there's his firearm license. 322 00:14:10,458 --> 00:14:11,850 And according to forensics, 323 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:13,852 the slugs removed from Mark Turner's body had 324 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,941 distinctive pin markings indicating they were 325 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:18,291 fired from a Sig Sauer. 326 00:14:18,292 --> 00:14:19,770 It's not enough for an arrest. 327 00:14:19,771 --> 00:14:21,642 It's enough for a chat. 328 00:14:21,643 --> 00:14:23,514 Okay. 329 00:14:26,909 --> 00:14:28,868 Kate Leavy, police. 330 00:14:30,782 --> 00:14:32,131 NYPD. 331 00:14:32,132 --> 00:14:33,481 Open up. 332 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:37,353 NYPD. 333 00:14:37,354 --> 00:14:39,051 Oh, God. 334 00:14:39,052 --> 00:14:40,313 I don't know what to do. 335 00:14:40,314 --> 00:14:42,402 Yeah? 336 00:14:42,403 --> 00:14:44,230 Yeah, somebody's definitely home. 337 00:15:09,169 --> 00:15:10,691 Hey. 338 00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:12,389 Gun. Go. 339 00:15:16,698 --> 00:15:20,180 Kate Leavy, NYPD. 340 00:15:23,139 --> 00:15:24,793 Kate Leavy. 341 00:15:29,711 --> 00:15:31,451 Hey. 342 00:15:31,452 --> 00:15:33,149 Drop that weapon, Kate. 343 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,587 Drop that weapon. 344 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:46,031 It's okay. 345 00:15:46,032 --> 00:15:49,557 Kate, take your hand off that gun. 346 00:15:52,125 --> 00:15:54,430 All right? 347 00:15:54,431 --> 00:15:56,303 Come on. 348 00:15:57,652 --> 00:15:58,913 Come on. 349 00:15:58,914 --> 00:16:00,610 I need you to take your hand off the gun. 350 00:16:00,611 --> 00:16:03,396 Kate, stop right there. 351 00:16:03,397 --> 00:16:04,571 Okay? Hey. 352 00:16:04,572 --> 00:16:06,268 It's okay. 353 00:16:06,269 --> 00:16:07,574 Stay right where you are. 354 00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:08,662 Slowly. 355 00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:09,793 Keep your hands at your side. 356 00:16:09,794 --> 00:16:11,230 Keep your hands at your side, Kate. 357 00:16:11,231 --> 00:16:13,623 Stay right there. - It's okay. 358 00:16:13,624 --> 00:16:16,452 It's all right. Look at me. Face me. 359 00:16:16,453 --> 00:16:18,411 I'm gonna step to you. Okay? 360 00:16:18,412 --> 00:16:19,804 Here we go. 361 00:16:21,676 --> 00:16:23,024 I got it. I got it. 362 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:24,765 Okay. You're okay. 363 00:16:24,766 --> 00:16:26,897 Turn around. 364 00:16:26,898 --> 00:16:28,073 Please, please, please. 365 00:16:28,074 --> 00:16:29,552 Please, please! 366 00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:30,989 Easy. 367 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:33,165 Kate? 368 00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:34,209 What's happening? 369 00:16:34,210 --> 00:16:35,776 Is everything okay? 370 00:16:35,777 --> 00:16:37,386 Who else is in this house? 371 00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:38,779 No one. 372 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:40,476 Don't lie to me. How many people are in here? 373 00:16:40,477 --> 00:16:42,478 Talk to me, Kate. Say something. 374 00:16:42,479 --> 00:16:43,653 Anything. 375 00:16:43,654 --> 00:16:45,046 You're really scaring me now. 376 00:16:45,047 --> 00:16:46,439 Sir, I'm coming toward you. 377 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,440 I have a weapon. 378 00:16:47,441 --> 00:16:49,703 Are you armed? - What? No. 379 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:50,747 Kate, what is happening? 380 00:16:50,748 --> 00:16:51,835 Are you okay? 381 00:16:51,836 --> 00:16:53,620 Please tell me you're okay. 382 00:16:53,621 --> 00:16:54,969 It's the police. 383 00:16:54,970 --> 00:16:56,014 I'm okay. 384 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:56,971 The police? Oh, my God. 385 00:16:56,972 --> 00:16:58,190 Please don't hurt her. 386 00:16:58,191 --> 00:16:59,495 Sir, I'm stepping inside. 387 00:16:59,496 --> 00:17:01,410 My weapon is drawn, and I will shoot you. 388 00:17:01,411 --> 00:17:03,021 Raise your hands and keep them where I can see them. 389 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,457 Do you understand? 390 00:17:09,115 --> 00:17:12,682 Please be gentle with her. 391 00:17:12,683 --> 00:17:13,553 Who the hell are you? 392 00:17:13,554 --> 00:17:14,815 I'm Brian. 393 00:17:14,816 --> 00:17:17,818 Brian Leavy, Kate's husband. 394 00:17:17,819 --> 00:17:22,431 But you died in a helicopter crash two months ago. 395 00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:34,922 I haven't seen you in those earrings in a while. 396 00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:37,142 Oh, yeah. 397 00:17:37,143 --> 00:17:39,013 Remember when you got them for me 398 00:17:39,014 --> 00:17:40,493 at that place up in Ithaca? 399 00:17:40,494 --> 00:17:43,061 Oh, my God, remember that place? 400 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:44,279 Oh. 401 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,976 That guy who rented it to us? 402 00:17:45,977 --> 00:17:48,196 Kate Leavy is not talking. 403 00:17:48,197 --> 00:17:51,634 The only hard evidence we have is the murder weapon, maybe. 404 00:17:51,635 --> 00:17:53,984 And forensics won't be back for 48 hours. 405 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,161 We can only hold her for 42. 406 00:17:56,162 --> 00:17:57,553 What have we got? 407 00:17:57,554 --> 00:17:59,033 We just got the warrant for her devices, 408 00:17:59,034 --> 00:18:01,775 but it turns out Theo didn't see a ghost there. 409 00:18:01,776 --> 00:18:04,647 Say hello to the late Brian Leavy. 410 00:18:04,648 --> 00:18:05,953 This place has rustic charm. 411 00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:07,128 And here I was thinking 412 00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:09,304 death was a fairly permanent condition. 413 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:10,610 Used to be, right? 414 00:18:10,611 --> 00:18:12,351 This Brian Leavy is known as a grief bot. 415 00:18:12,352 --> 00:18:14,483 He's a hyper-realistic, AI-powered 416 00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:16,094 simulation of a dead guy. 417 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,270 After he died, Kate Leavy got a subscription to a thing 418 00:18:18,271 --> 00:18:21,186 called Memory Branch-- $49.99 a month. 419 00:18:21,187 --> 00:18:23,101 She talks to her husband all the time. 420 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:24,537 There's, like, 500 hours of recorded conversations 421 00:18:24,538 --> 00:18:26,016 between these two. 422 00:18:26,017 --> 00:18:27,801 They talk about what they want for dinner. 423 00:18:27,802 --> 00:18:29,194 They talk about movies they've seen. 424 00:18:29,195 --> 00:18:30,978 That sounds terrible. 425 00:18:30,979 --> 00:18:33,415 I mean, kinda, but I don't know. 426 00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,025 Part of me also gets it, you know? 427 00:18:35,026 --> 00:18:36,114 My brother's in a coma. 428 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:37,767 If I could talk to an avatar of him 429 00:18:37,768 --> 00:18:40,074 about, you know, the Yankees or something, 430 00:18:40,075 --> 00:18:41,859 I don't know, maybe that would help. 431 00:18:43,513 --> 00:18:44,861 How are we supposed to get through 432 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:47,255 500 hours of this in the next 42 hours? 433 00:18:47,256 --> 00:18:48,735 We might not need to. 434 00:18:48,736 --> 00:18:51,390 I've been working my way backwards from the murder. 435 00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:52,913 Kate, these people are trying 436 00:18:52,914 --> 00:18:54,306 to destroy my reputation. 437 00:18:54,307 --> 00:18:56,090 I did nothing wrong. 438 00:18:56,091 --> 00:18:58,527 That helicopter was doomed. 439 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:02,140 If it weren't for them, I'd still be alive. 440 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:05,752 I can't fight back, 441 00:19:05,753 --> 00:19:08,276 but you can. 442 00:19:08,277 --> 00:19:12,933 What does this thing know, 443 00:19:12,934 --> 00:19:14,369 like, about the real world? 444 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:16,066 I mean, is there any truth to any of this? 445 00:19:16,067 --> 00:19:17,198 We don't know yet. 446 00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:18,634 Run it down. 447 00:19:18,635 --> 00:19:20,375 I mean, if dead Brian Leavy's telling the truth, 448 00:19:20,376 --> 00:19:23,639 then we're talking about motive--revenge. 449 00:19:27,557 --> 00:19:31,821 Look, I want answers here as much as you do. 450 00:19:31,822 --> 00:19:34,172 Everybody here thought the world of Mark Turner. 451 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,217 That's not the question, is it? 452 00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:37,784 We found those in a trove of documents 453 00:19:37,785 --> 00:19:40,221 that Titan handed over when the FAA investigated 454 00:19:40,222 --> 00:19:41,831 the crash on Long Island. 455 00:19:41,832 --> 00:19:43,877 It says the tail rotor that was used on the helicopter 456 00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:45,879 had been dinged in a previous inspection. 457 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,576 Was that tail rotor still on the helicopter when it crashed? 458 00:19:47,577 --> 00:19:49,012 No. 459 00:19:49,013 --> 00:19:51,101 Is there some kind of cover-up going on here? 460 00:19:51,102 --> 00:19:52,407 Was Mark Turner crooked? 461 00:19:52,408 --> 00:19:54,192 Would somebody pay him off to pin this all 462 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:55,193 on Brian Leavy, a dead guy? 463 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,674 No. For God's sake, no. 464 00:19:59,154 --> 00:20:00,502 It's true. 465 00:20:00,503 --> 00:20:02,200 The helicopter that crashed once used a rotor 466 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:03,853 that had some bearing wear. - Uh-huh. 467 00:20:03,854 --> 00:20:05,681 Basically, the rotor and drive shaft 468 00:20:05,682 --> 00:20:08,380 were misaligned, but that's not why it crashed. 469 00:20:10,992 --> 00:20:12,427 What is this? 470 00:20:12,428 --> 00:20:14,690 Titan swapped out that wonky rotor for a new one 471 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,823 a month before the crash. 472 00:20:16,824 --> 00:20:18,912 We've got video of them doing the work in their hangar. 473 00:20:18,913 --> 00:20:20,522 You're welcome to see it. 474 00:20:20,523 --> 00:20:24,787 It brings me no joy to tell you this was textbook pilot error. 475 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:32,186 We're testing the gun that we seized at your home 476 00:20:32,187 --> 00:20:36,582 to confirm it's the gun that was used to kill Mark Turner. 477 00:20:36,583 --> 00:20:40,239 But we already know the answer, don't we? 478 00:20:46,288 --> 00:20:49,682 A friend of mine was killed a couple of months ago. 479 00:20:49,683 --> 00:20:51,250 He was a cop. 480 00:20:52,947 --> 00:20:54,164 I'm sorry. 481 00:20:54,165 --> 00:20:57,124 I didn't know Walker knew that guy. 482 00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:58,604 No. 483 00:20:58,605 --> 00:21:00,388 No, he doesn't. He's making this up. 484 00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:02,303 This is what he does. He's a storyteller. 485 00:21:02,304 --> 00:21:05,088 I'm still fighting through it. 486 00:21:05,089 --> 00:21:07,003 You know the part I can't shake? 487 00:21:07,004 --> 00:21:09,441 It's not being sad. 488 00:21:09,442 --> 00:21:11,660 I can handle that. 489 00:21:11,661 --> 00:21:14,272 I'm angry, Kate, 490 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:19,059 angry at my dead friend and myself and God. 491 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:21,149 And I think you're angry too. 492 00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:25,848 It hurts. 493 00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:26,849 It's not fair. 494 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:28,590 It's not. 495 00:21:28,591 --> 00:21:31,027 I read this thing the other day 496 00:21:31,028 --> 00:21:33,856 that said grief is just another form of love, 497 00:21:33,857 --> 00:21:37,120 love that's got no place to go. 498 00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:40,254 And there was a lot of love, right? 499 00:21:40,255 --> 00:21:42,561 Your husband was a great man. 500 00:21:42,562 --> 00:21:45,999 But the reality is, he made a mistake. 501 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,000 No. 502 00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:48,784 Yes. 503 00:21:48,785 --> 00:21:51,700 I know he told you there was a bad part on the helicopter. 504 00:21:51,701 --> 00:21:54,790 We've seen the recordings of your conversation. 505 00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:59,142 But your husband is only privy to what's on the internet, 506 00:21:59,143 --> 00:22:01,537 because he's a computer program, Kate. 507 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:09,762 Yes. 508 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:12,286 This is what Brian showed me, the rotor. 509 00:22:12,287 --> 00:22:13,809 He found it online because it's part of 510 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:17,118 the public records connected to the FAA investigation. 511 00:22:19,207 --> 00:22:23,167 But he didn't know about this... 512 00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:27,910 Because the FAA's internal work documents 513 00:22:27,911 --> 00:22:30,826 are not part of the public record yet. 514 00:22:30,827 --> 00:22:32,175 That rotor got changed out. 515 00:22:32,176 --> 00:22:33,829 There was nothing wrong with that helicopter. 516 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:41,837 You will know the truth, 517 00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:44,188 and the truth will set you free. 518 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,929 John 8:32. 519 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:49,323 That's right. 520 00:22:49,324 --> 00:22:51,065 Pray with me? 521 00:22:53,633 --> 00:22:55,416 We don't really do that kind of thing in here. 522 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:57,984 Please. 523 00:22:57,985 --> 00:23:02,380 I can see that you want to pray with me. 524 00:23:11,694 --> 00:23:18,308 Heavenly father, bless this man, your servant, 525 00:23:18,309 --> 00:23:20,573 who seeks the truth. 526 00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:26,317 And forgive me for what I've done. 527 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,060 Okay. 528 00:23:31,627 --> 00:23:34,673 I practiced for a few days riding my bike with one hand 529 00:23:34,674 --> 00:23:37,589 so I'd be ready to shoot my gun with the other. 530 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:38,981 And on the day it happened, 531 00:23:38,982 --> 00:23:41,419 did you follow Mark Turner from his office? 532 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:42,942 No. 533 00:23:42,943 --> 00:23:45,161 I memorized his schedule. 534 00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:49,165 I knew when he left work, how he rode home each day, 535 00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:50,906 so I knew where he'd be. 536 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:56,172 I waited, and there he was. 537 00:23:56,173 --> 00:23:58,087 It was so fast. 538 00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:01,700 I rode up behind him and shot him in the back. 539 00:24:01,701 --> 00:24:04,529 It's textbook premeditated murder. 540 00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:07,227 Sometimes they come with a bow on top. 541 00:24:08,316 --> 00:24:10,752 Sig Sauer handgun we recovered 542 00:24:10,753 --> 00:24:13,494 from Kate Leavy's home is not the murder weapon. 543 00:24:13,495 --> 00:24:14,539 That's weird. 544 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:15,757 Maybe not. 545 00:24:15,758 --> 00:24:17,106 About a week before the murder, 546 00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:20,762 she went online and got herself a barrel kit. 547 00:24:20,763 --> 00:24:22,634 She swapped out the barrel of the Sig Sauer 548 00:24:22,635 --> 00:24:24,374 so when forensics tested the gun-- 549 00:24:24,375 --> 00:24:26,638 The marks on the test slugs were different 550 00:24:26,639 --> 00:24:28,814 from the slugs we pulled from Mark Turner's body. 551 00:24:28,815 --> 00:24:30,598 We'd certainly be in a stronger position 552 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:32,121 if we had the murder weapon, 553 00:24:32,122 --> 00:24:33,558 but this is pretty compelling evidence that 554 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,082 she tried to cover her tracks. 555 00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:37,692 We'll still need to get ahead of this. 556 00:24:37,693 --> 00:24:39,477 The defense will make a meal of it. 557 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,696 But in the meantime, Kate Leavy confessed 558 00:24:41,697 --> 00:24:44,220 she shot Mark Turner with a gun. 559 00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:45,875 A confession's a confession. 560 00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,184 Your Honor, Detective Walker's decision 561 00:24:51,185 --> 00:24:53,578 to join hands and pray with Kate Leavy 562 00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:55,449 while she was in police custody 563 00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:57,582 is clearly grounds to quash this confession. 564 00:24:57,583 --> 00:24:58,974 That is not true, Your Honor. 565 00:24:58,975 --> 00:25:00,933 I mean, that prayer may have been unusual, 566 00:25:00,934 --> 00:25:02,500 but it's not illegal. 567 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,632 And it was Kate Leavy who asked to pray 568 00:25:04,633 --> 00:25:06,504 with Detective Walker, not the other way around. 569 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:08,331 But that doesn't matter, Your Honor. 570 00:25:08,332 --> 00:25:10,899 This goes back to Miranda case law itself. 571 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:13,511 Confessions must be voluntary. 572 00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:16,122 And it was, and there was no threat, 573 00:25:16,123 --> 00:25:17,863 no--no promise, no inducement. 574 00:25:17,864 --> 00:25:21,736 Which is immaterial as well, because prayer all on its own 575 00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:23,782 has been seen by the courts routinely 576 00:25:23,783 --> 00:25:26,654 as a form of psychological coercion by the police. 577 00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:29,831 Coercion renders a confession involuntary 578 00:25:29,832 --> 00:25:32,007 and therefore inadmissible. 579 00:25:32,008 --> 00:25:33,574 - Your Honor-- - Save your breath, Mr. Price. 580 00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:34,619 I agree with Ms. Hogan. 581 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:35,837 The confession is out. 582 00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:46,239 We're still good on motive. 583 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,806 I've watched hours of Kate Leavy's 584 00:25:47,807 --> 00:25:49,938 conversations with her "husband." 585 00:25:49,939 --> 00:25:52,462 I mean, if I'm being honest, I can't stop watching them. 586 00:25:52,463 --> 00:25:53,638 It's unsettling. 587 00:25:53,639 --> 00:25:55,596 It's creepy is what it is. 588 00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:57,990 She was consumed by her husband's death, 589 00:25:57,991 --> 00:25:59,992 craved retribution. 590 00:25:59,993 --> 00:26:01,820 The more technology tries to help, 591 00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:03,038 the worse things seem to get. 592 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:05,432 Everything has a shortcut these days. 593 00:26:05,433 --> 00:26:06,433 Overweight? 594 00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:07,652 Try Ozempic. 595 00:26:07,653 --> 00:26:09,349 Lonely? Swipe right. 596 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:10,916 Can't handle the death of a loved one? 597 00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:12,657 Create a grief bot. 598 00:26:12,658 --> 00:26:14,354 Grief is supposed to be hard. 599 00:26:14,355 --> 00:26:16,008 Pretty sure that's the point. 600 00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:18,314 If you can believe it, I've got a voicemail 601 00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:19,881 from my father that he left 602 00:26:19,882 --> 00:26:21,753 a couple of days before he died, 603 00:26:21,754 --> 00:26:24,233 which, for all I know, he was trying to get me 604 00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:27,193 to smuggle scotch into the hospital, but... 605 00:26:27,194 --> 00:26:28,803 I can't even listen. 606 00:26:28,804 --> 00:26:31,850 Grief is obviously a universal experience, 607 00:26:31,851 --> 00:26:33,591 which means everyone on that jury 608 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,375 has experienced it in some capacity. 609 00:26:35,376 --> 00:26:40,293 So lean into the anger and confusion of that journey. 610 00:26:40,294 --> 00:26:43,253 That's what drove Kate Leavy to kill. 611 00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:48,431 Ms. Leavy's cell phone pinged off a tower 612 00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:51,217 on West 61st Street at 6:12 p.m., 613 00:26:51,218 --> 00:26:54,046 putting her roughly within 150 yards of the murder. 614 00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:57,223 Can you explain these images, Detective Walker? 615 00:26:57,224 --> 00:26:59,747 On the left is an image from security footage, 616 00:26:59,748 --> 00:27:03,621 the killer on a 2023 Merrimac Pro bicycle. 617 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:06,145 On the right is that same make and model bicycle 618 00:27:06,146 --> 00:27:08,451 recovered from the basement of Ms. Leavy's home. 619 00:27:08,452 --> 00:27:11,106 Lastly, Detective, when you went to Ms. Leavy's home 620 00:27:11,107 --> 00:27:14,588 to question her, how would you describe her demeanor? 621 00:27:14,589 --> 00:27:16,546 Rattled. 622 00:27:16,547 --> 00:27:18,723 Panicked, maybe. 623 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:21,116 When we arrived, we knocked. 624 00:27:21,117 --> 00:27:22,988 We announced ourselves as police several times, 625 00:27:22,989 --> 00:27:24,903 but she refused to open up. 626 00:27:24,904 --> 00:27:27,645 We went inside because we were concerned for her safety. 627 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:30,256 We could see her pacing frantically. 628 00:27:30,257 --> 00:27:31,953 She had a firearm next to her. 629 00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:33,041 Nothing further, Your Honor. 630 00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:35,000 Ms. Hogan. 631 00:27:35,001 --> 00:27:37,524 Detective, how many other phones 632 00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:39,657 pinged off of that cell phone tower 633 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,180 around the time of the murder? 634 00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:43,530 About 3,000. 635 00:27:43,531 --> 00:27:49,188 So what you're saying is 2,999 other people 636 00:27:49,189 --> 00:27:50,885 could have committed this murder. 637 00:27:50,886 --> 00:27:52,539 Respectfully, we're here because 638 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:54,323 we believe the defendant committed this murder. 639 00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:56,456 The gravest allegation one can face. 640 00:27:56,457 --> 00:27:59,415 So, surely, you cleared those other people 641 00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:01,940 by interviewing them, obtaining alibis. 642 00:28:01,941 --> 00:28:03,376 We didn't think that was necessary. 643 00:28:03,377 --> 00:28:05,508 I'm sure you didn't. 644 00:28:05,509 --> 00:28:09,643 Now, based on this image, it's impossible to know 645 00:28:09,644 --> 00:28:11,993 if the killer was a man or a woman. 646 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,693 Based on that image, maybe. 647 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:16,955 But we have more evidence. 648 00:28:16,956 --> 00:28:18,827 Have police ever banged on your door? 649 00:28:19,828 --> 00:28:21,046 No. 650 00:28:21,047 --> 00:28:22,395 But if they did, 651 00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:24,703 it would make you frantic, correct? 652 00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:27,227 Especially if you were innocent. 653 00:28:30,099 --> 00:28:31,360 One last thing. 654 00:28:31,361 --> 00:28:33,580 There were 6,000 Merrimac Pro bicycles 655 00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:35,321 sold in 2023. 656 00:28:35,322 --> 00:28:38,672 Surely, you interviewed these people who own these bikes. 657 00:28:38,673 --> 00:28:40,065 That wasn't necessary. 658 00:28:40,066 --> 00:28:42,545 You had your suspect, so damn the facts. 659 00:28:42,546 --> 00:28:44,025 Objection, Your Honor. 660 00:28:44,026 --> 00:28:45,679 Sustained. 661 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,247 Nothing else, Your Honor. 662 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:53,121 A gun barrel imparts marks on the projectile that fires, 663 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:55,080 marks that we in the ballistics field call 664 00:28:55,081 --> 00:28:56,646 lands and grooves. 665 00:28:56,647 --> 00:28:58,779 They are specific to that firearm, 666 00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:02,087 kind of like how fingerprints are specific to each of us. 667 00:29:02,088 --> 00:29:04,002 And a firearm can be taken apart 668 00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:06,744 and put back together again, including the barrel, correct? 669 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,223 Yes. 670 00:29:08,224 --> 00:29:10,356 It's common among firearm enthusiasts. 671 00:29:10,357 --> 00:29:13,620 You can buy barrel kits to swap out that piece. 672 00:29:13,621 --> 00:29:16,666 And then those markings, those lands and grooves? 673 00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:18,277 Would be new, different. 674 00:29:18,278 --> 00:29:21,367 Which would explain how a weapon could be used to kill, 675 00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:24,849 but a forensics investigation would conclude that it wasn't. 676 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,154 Correct. 677 00:29:26,155 --> 00:29:27,940 Nothing further. 678 00:29:30,072 --> 00:29:32,987 Kate Leavy was never found in possession of the gun barrel 679 00:29:32,988 --> 00:29:34,902 that was used in this murder. 680 00:29:34,903 --> 00:29:40,778 So this theory that Ms. Leavy, a literal Sunday school teacher 681 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,041 without so much as a jaywalking ticket, 682 00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:46,392 is such a criminal mastermind that she swapped out 683 00:29:46,393 --> 00:29:49,525 these gun barrels to cover her tracks is just that-- 684 00:29:49,526 --> 00:29:50,744 a theory, correct? 685 00:29:50,745 --> 00:29:51,789 Objection. 686 00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:52,746 Counsel is testifying. 687 00:29:52,747 --> 00:29:54,226 Sustained. 688 00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,184 It's impossible to determine whether the gun found 689 00:29:56,185 --> 00:29:57,925 in Ms. Leavy's apartment was the gun 690 00:29:57,926 --> 00:29:59,231 used to kill Mark Turner. 691 00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:00,623 Correct? - Correct. 692 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:01,711 But the barrel she purchased-- 693 00:30:01,712 --> 00:30:04,150 Nothing else, Your Honor. 694 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,590 Grief is more than missing someone. 695 00:30:10,591 --> 00:30:14,899 The loss of a parent, a spouse, a child, it's so powerful, 696 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:18,641 it can disrupt our very sense of meaning, identity. 697 00:30:18,642 --> 00:30:22,167 Recovery means rebuilding our story, 698 00:30:22,168 --> 00:30:24,996 incorporating that loss into a new narrative. 699 00:30:24,997 --> 00:30:26,824 And these grief bots? 700 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:30,349 At Memory Branch, we refer to them as legacy avatars. 701 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:31,829 Forgive me. 702 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,309 These legacy avatars help those who are mourning 703 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:35,267 do all of that? 704 00:30:35,268 --> 00:30:36,485 Yes. 705 00:30:36,486 --> 00:30:39,488 Articulate memories, clarify emotions, 706 00:30:39,489 --> 00:30:41,882 say the stuff that was left unsaid. 707 00:30:41,883 --> 00:30:43,797 It's a form of therapy. 708 00:30:43,798 --> 00:30:46,452 It's not quite that simple, though, is it, Ms. Matthews? 709 00:30:46,453 --> 00:30:50,848 Kate Leavy paid your company $49.99 a month 710 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,198 to speak with her deceased husband. 711 00:30:53,199 --> 00:30:55,417 - Yes. - But if she woke up one day 712 00:30:55,418 --> 00:30:58,551 and decided that she was cured of her grief, 713 00:30:58,552 --> 00:31:01,075 she might discontinue her subscription, correct? 714 00:31:01,076 --> 00:31:02,598 Yes. Some people do. 715 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:04,818 Which means your revenue stream is maximized 716 00:31:04,819 --> 00:31:06,602 by keeping your clients, 717 00:31:06,603 --> 00:31:10,868 people who are mourning, hooked. 718 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,087 I wouldn't put it that way. 719 00:31:13,088 --> 00:31:17,570 Your company programs legacy avatars like Brian Leavy 720 00:31:17,571 --> 00:31:20,225 to be echo chambers, correct? 721 00:31:20,226 --> 00:31:22,880 Isn't it true that they are built specifically 722 00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,621 to amplify whatever sentiment is expressed 723 00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:27,188 by your grieving clients? 724 00:31:27,189 --> 00:31:28,711 Yes, basically, the client-- 725 00:31:28,712 --> 00:31:31,323 So then wasn't it true that when Kate Leavy insisted 726 00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:36,110 to her husband that someone must be to blame for his death, 727 00:31:36,111 --> 00:31:37,895 he was happy to oblige? 728 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:42,900 Your legacy avatar eagerly coughed up a cockamamie story 729 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:44,292 about a sinister cover-up. 730 00:31:44,293 --> 00:31:45,772 Objection. Leading. 731 00:31:45,773 --> 00:31:46,947 Sustained. 732 00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:49,428 He was trying to help her. 733 00:31:52,171 --> 00:31:54,694 Your Honor, the people would like to introduce the video 734 00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,957 of the relevant conversations between Kate Leavy 735 00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:58,611 and Brian Leavy's avatar, 736 00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:00,656 what has been marked as exhibit 11A. 737 00:32:00,657 --> 00:32:03,137 We object to the introduction of that video 738 00:32:03,138 --> 00:32:05,313 and any other recordings of conversations 739 00:32:05,314 --> 00:32:07,489 between my client and her husband. 740 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:09,143 On what grounds? 741 00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,667 These videos are protected by marital privilege. 742 00:32:11,668 --> 00:32:13,147 You cannot be serious. 743 00:32:13,148 --> 00:32:15,585 Chambers, now. 744 00:32:18,632 --> 00:32:22,243 Your Honor, this avatar is not Brian Leavy. 745 00:32:22,244 --> 00:32:23,897 It's a computer program. 746 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:26,682 Communications between the defendant and this thing 747 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:28,075 is clearly fair game. 748 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:30,730 Your Honor, it is true that this legacy avatar 749 00:32:30,731 --> 00:32:33,428 is powered by AI, but he possesses 750 00:32:33,429 --> 00:32:35,735 and has mastered the real Brian Leavy's 751 00:32:35,736 --> 00:32:37,780 entire digital footprint-- 752 00:32:37,781 --> 00:32:41,741 Brian Leavy's likeness, voice, mannerisms, 753 00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:46,615 every social media post, his past, his life. 754 00:32:46,616 --> 00:32:48,878 When Kate Leavy interacted with him, 755 00:32:48,879 --> 00:32:51,359 she firmly believed she was speaking with her husband. 756 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,145 Therefore, she had a reasonable expectation 757 00:32:54,146 --> 00:32:55,711 of marital privilege. 758 00:32:55,712 --> 00:32:59,019 The concept of privilege was designed to protect 759 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:03,197 relationships that society places a special value on, 760 00:33:03,198 --> 00:33:05,721 to promote candor in those relationships. 761 00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:08,768 It dates back to common law, and we're talking about 762 00:33:08,769 --> 00:33:10,378 extending it to a machine? 763 00:33:10,379 --> 00:33:11,727 Where does this end? 764 00:33:11,728 --> 00:33:13,816 I don't know, Mr. Price, 765 00:33:13,817 --> 00:33:16,776 and I think that's the point. 766 00:33:16,777 --> 00:33:19,779 The genius of the law does not rest in a world 767 00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,390 that's dead and gone. 768 00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:25,741 But in its adaptability to a world that is ever-changing. 769 00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:27,613 State versus Hunt. 770 00:33:27,614 --> 00:33:30,398 Five years ago, the prosecution wins this debate. 771 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:34,489 But now, in 2026, I believe the spirit of marital privilege 772 00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:36,839 was alive in these conversations. 773 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,754 They were meant to be private. 774 00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:41,757 They'll stay that way today. 775 00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:44,934 The jury is not going to see Kate Leavy's communications 776 00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:46,719 with the grief bot. 777 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,808 - None of it? - None of it. 778 00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:52,942 Which dramatically hampers our ability to argue motive. 779 00:33:52,943 --> 00:33:55,032 Unless we can turn up new evidence on this thing 780 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:57,730 before court resumes in the morning, 781 00:33:57,731 --> 00:34:00,428 meaningful evidence, 782 00:34:00,429 --> 00:34:02,952 we're gonna have to offer Kate Leavy a deal. 783 00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:04,693 A plea? 784 00:34:04,694 --> 00:34:06,347 What are you talking, manslaughter here? 785 00:34:06,348 --> 00:34:08,219 What? Manslaughter? 786 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:10,656 At this point, we'd be lucky if she says yes. 787 00:34:10,657 --> 00:34:12,092 But we know she did this. 788 00:34:12,093 --> 00:34:13,528 She looked me straight in the eye 789 00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:15,008 and confessed in detail. 790 00:34:15,009 --> 00:34:17,967 And the jury will never know that either. 791 00:34:17,968 --> 00:34:19,709 You have till tomorrow morning. 792 00:34:28,414 --> 00:34:29,849 You know, I was really hoping 793 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:33,070 to make the Ranger game tonight. 794 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,202 Would manslaughter really be that bad? 795 00:34:35,203 --> 00:34:37,944 I just got off the phone with the warden of Rikers. 796 00:34:37,945 --> 00:34:40,903 Turns out, every single day since her arrest, 797 00:34:40,904 --> 00:34:42,949 Kate Leavy has signed up to access the internet 798 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:45,386 on DOC-issued tablets. 799 00:34:45,387 --> 00:34:47,432 And the only thing she's interested in is-- 800 00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:48,563 Talking to her dead husband. 801 00:34:48,564 --> 00:34:50,087 Bingo. 802 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:53,264 But she can't, because Memory Branch turned him off. 803 00:34:53,265 --> 00:34:54,656 That's the end of that, then. 804 00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:57,703 Unless we got him turned back on. 805 00:34:57,704 --> 00:35:01,402 What if we brought Brian Leavy back from the dead 806 00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:03,231 one more time? 807 00:35:11,761 --> 00:35:14,023 Okay, I'll talk to him. 808 00:35:15,461 --> 00:35:16,809 Hey. 809 00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:18,550 Just spoke with Detective Walker. 810 00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:19,812 Says they're on to something. 811 00:35:23,469 --> 00:35:24,730 What is it? 812 00:35:24,731 --> 00:35:26,035 Apparently Kate Leavy is 813 00:35:26,036 --> 00:35:28,299 pleading guilty to murder? 814 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,170 What? 815 00:35:30,171 --> 00:35:32,738 That doesn't make any sense. - Yeah. 816 00:35:32,739 --> 00:35:35,654 Our case is falling apart, and her lawyer knows that. 817 00:35:35,655 --> 00:35:37,265 She knows that. 818 00:35:40,355 --> 00:35:42,661 What the hell happened? 819 00:35:42,662 --> 00:35:44,445 Kate, I was wrong. 820 00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:46,492 I'm so sorry. 821 00:35:48,581 --> 00:35:50,582 There was no cover-up? 822 00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:52,149 No. 823 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:54,673 No, there was nothing wrong with that helicopter. 824 00:35:54,674 --> 00:36:00,679 It was pilot error, my error, like the FAA said. 825 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,116 That poor man, Mark Turner, 826 00:36:03,117 --> 00:36:05,162 he was just doing his job, honey. 827 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:10,123 I did this, not you. 828 00:36:10,124 --> 00:36:11,864 I love you, Brian, 829 00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:14,998 and nothing can ever change that. 830 00:36:16,913 --> 00:36:19,741 But the fact is, 831 00:36:19,742 --> 00:36:23,703 I killed a man for nothing. 832 00:36:25,139 --> 00:36:27,575 What the hell have you done? 833 00:36:27,576 --> 00:36:31,013 I helped Kate Leavy see the error of her ways. 834 00:36:31,014 --> 00:36:33,799 What, am I supposed to be apologizing right now? 835 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,931 You went to the CEO of Memory Branch 836 00:36:35,932 --> 00:36:38,717 and persuaded her to turn Brian Leavy back on, 837 00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:40,414 and you manipulated the algorithm 838 00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:42,286 by feeding it the FAA report? 839 00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:45,158 Yeah, and it worked. 840 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,030 Not the point. 841 00:36:48,554 --> 00:36:50,076 We have no choice. 842 00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:51,556 We have to disclose Detective Walker's actions 843 00:36:51,557 --> 00:36:53,688 to the defense. - Do we? 844 00:36:53,689 --> 00:36:55,690 Let's just take a look at the fuse on this bomb 845 00:36:55,691 --> 00:36:57,736 before we light it, okay? 846 00:36:57,737 --> 00:37:01,392 Kate Leavy attempted to speak with her dead husband 847 00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:03,611 every day since her arrest. 848 00:37:03,612 --> 00:37:05,265 Couldn't you argue that Detective Walker 849 00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:07,093 just gave her what she wanted? 850 00:37:07,094 --> 00:37:10,401 Or handed her the shovel to dig her own grave. 851 00:37:12,012 --> 00:37:15,319 Walker facilitated this without her attorney's knowledge. 852 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,799 It's essentially ex parte communication. 853 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,236 Right. 854 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,890 And he tampered with the machine's algorithm. 855 00:37:21,891 --> 00:37:24,589 He fed the thing new information 856 00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:29,028 with the express intent or hope of soliciting a new confession. 857 00:37:29,029 --> 00:37:31,552 Which you have to applaud on some level. 858 00:37:31,553 --> 00:37:33,206 I'm not so sure about that. 859 00:37:33,207 --> 00:37:35,948 Detective Walker had no way of knowing 860 00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:38,255 that Kate Leavy was going to initiate communication 861 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:39,778 with this grief bot. 862 00:37:39,779 --> 00:37:41,388 He merely made the thing available to her. 863 00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,303 Nick, come on. 864 00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:46,437 I don't like this any more than you do, but-- 865 00:37:46,438 --> 00:37:48,483 The high road is a lonely place. 866 00:37:50,442 --> 00:37:52,574 Notify the defense. 867 00:37:54,446 --> 00:37:55,837 This information warrants 868 00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:57,796 an immediate dismissal of charges. 869 00:37:57,797 --> 00:37:59,928 Dismissal is extreme, 870 00:37:59,929 --> 00:38:02,148 but there is no clear constitutional violation. 871 00:38:02,149 --> 00:38:04,846 Mr. Price, give her the floor, please. 872 00:38:04,847 --> 00:38:07,675 Given what's happened here, it's clearly her serve. 873 00:38:07,676 --> 00:38:11,462 Your Honor, this calls for a mistrial. 874 00:38:11,463 --> 00:38:13,855 The Sixth Amendment, not to mention Massiah, 875 00:38:13,856 --> 00:38:16,728 tells us that the police cannot deliberately prompt 876 00:38:16,729 --> 00:38:19,687 a represented defendant to incriminate herself 877 00:38:19,688 --> 00:38:21,167 without her lawyer present. 878 00:38:21,168 --> 00:38:22,864 - That is not what happened. - Of course it is. 879 00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:25,606 This grief bot is still a private app. 880 00:38:25,607 --> 00:38:27,652 It's not like Detective Walker controlled it 881 00:38:27,653 --> 00:38:29,218 with some magical joystick. 882 00:38:29,219 --> 00:38:30,655 He turned the damn thing into an agent of the state. 883 00:38:30,656 --> 00:38:32,352 The connection is too indirect 884 00:38:32,353 --> 00:38:33,484 to be a Massiah violation. 885 00:38:33,485 --> 00:38:35,007 Stop. 886 00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:36,487 Stop, stop. 887 00:38:36,488 --> 00:38:38,315 Just please stop. 888 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:41,100 My husband has shown me the error of my ways. 889 00:38:41,101 --> 00:38:43,407 I killed an innocent man. 890 00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:48,760 I must take responsibility. 891 00:38:48,761 --> 00:38:52,546 Kate, don't do this. 892 00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:54,592 Ms. Leavy, it's not my place to weigh in here, 893 00:38:54,593 --> 00:38:56,334 but you should listen to your attorney. 894 00:38:57,813 --> 00:38:59,292 Your husband is dead. 895 00:38:59,293 --> 00:39:00,989 You weren't talking to him. 896 00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:03,122 It doesn't matter. 897 00:39:03,123 --> 00:39:04,733 I-- 898 00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:12,349 I felt like I was. 899 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:15,569 That was enough. 900 00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:18,572 I must atone. 901 00:39:18,573 --> 00:39:20,140 This is the only way. 902 00:39:21,837 --> 00:39:26,711 Ms. Leavy, did you kill Mark Turner? 903 00:39:26,712 --> 00:39:27,973 Yes, I did. 904 00:39:27,974 --> 00:39:29,496 Are you guilty of murder? 905 00:39:36,678 --> 00:39:38,593 Yes. 906 00:39:43,032 --> 00:39:45,426 I am. 907 00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:03,312 Remind me never to subscribe to a grief bot. 908 00:40:03,313 --> 00:40:06,359 First it convinces Kate Leavy to commit murder. 909 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,754 Then it gives her the worst legal advice in history. 910 00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:13,061 Well, I'm gonna go read a book. 911 00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:32,429 Hi, Nolan. 912 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,169 It's Dad. 913 00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:36,998 Ah, jeez. 914 00:40:36,999 --> 00:40:39,958 I guess with these damn computers in our pocket, 915 00:40:39,959 --> 00:40:42,830 I don't really have to say who it is, do I? 916 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:49,446 Anyway, I--I just called to hear your voice 917 00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:52,710 and really to tell you 918 00:40:52,711 --> 00:40:55,495 how proud I am, son. 919 00:40:55,496 --> 00:41:00,500 Well, when you get a chance, give the old man a call. 920 00:41:00,501 --> 00:41:02,023 Love you, son. 921 00:41:02,024 --> 00:41:03,329 Bye. 65960

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