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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,211 --> 00:00:03,848 We're sending you back to the future! 2 00:00:03,882 --> 00:00:06,418 Why is time travel fun? 3 00:00:06,450 --> 00:00:07,886 Here we go. 4 00:00:07,918 --> 00:00:10,022 Because who doesn't wonder about the past? 5 00:00:10,054 --> 00:00:12,623 Who doesn't wonder about the future? 6 00:00:12,656 --> 00:00:16,594 Somebody comes back from the future to change what happened. 7 00:00:16,627 --> 00:00:19,364 Are we basically in a movie that's already been shot? 8 00:00:19,397 --> 00:00:20,866 I'll be back. 9 00:00:20,899 --> 00:00:23,001 Time travel stories embrace the potential 10 00:00:23,034 --> 00:00:26,371 that we might open up new timelines, new worlds, 11 00:00:26,403 --> 00:00:29,308 and new possibilities for ourselves as people. 12 00:00:29,340 --> 00:00:34,879 That kind of imagination which can see through everything. 13 00:00:34,912 --> 00:00:37,014 What are we always trying to do when we 14 00:00:37,047 --> 00:00:38,474 tell stories about time travel? 15 00:00:38,490 --> 00:00:40,326 What I'm always trying to do is to touch people 16 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:41,760 in the heart. 17 00:00:41,792 --> 00:00:43,628 Today, I'm the age you were when you left. 18 00:00:43,661 --> 00:00:46,265 This would be a real good time for you to come back. 19 00:00:46,298 --> 00:00:49,135 If we can go any place we want in time, 20 00:00:49,167 --> 00:00:51,336 time is no longer our jailor. 21 00:00:51,369 --> 00:00:56,808 Every second of our past makes us who we are. 22 00:00:56,841 --> 00:00:59,845 And the idea that we could relive that or view it 23 00:00:59,877 --> 00:01:01,579 from another perspective 24 00:01:01,612 --> 00:01:06,585 is so human, and so spiritual, I think that it touches everyone. 25 00:01:40,818 --> 00:01:42,353 You've basically covered just about 26 00:01:42,386 --> 00:01:44,455 every base in science fiction, 27 00:01:44,488 --> 00:01:49,494 from alien contact, monsters, space travel, everything, 28 00:01:49,527 --> 00:01:51,196 and you executive produced 29 00:01:51,229 --> 00:01:52,797 the "Back To The Future" series of films. 30 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:54,299 Series. Yeah. 31 00:01:54,333 --> 00:01:55,801 Do you think time travel is possible? 32 00:01:55,833 --> 00:01:57,335 I asked Stephen Hawking that one day, 33 00:01:57,368 --> 00:01:58,770 when I worked with Errol Morris. 34 00:01:58,803 --> 00:02:00,371 How many people get to say that? 35 00:02:00,404 --> 00:02:01,906 But when I was working with Errol Morris 36 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:04,509 as his executive producer on the documentary 37 00:02:04,543 --> 00:02:06,912 on Stephen Hawking's book, "A Brief History of Time." 38 00:02:06,945 --> 00:02:08,680 I asked Stephen Hawking that question 39 00:02:08,714 --> 00:02:10,949 because "Back To The Future" just came out. 40 00:02:10,983 --> 00:02:12,785 And Stephen Hawking said it's very possible 41 00:02:12,817 --> 00:02:13,719 to go into the future, 42 00:02:13,752 --> 00:02:15,787 but impossible to go back into the past. 43 00:02:15,821 --> 00:02:19,758 Hey, we're time traveling now at one minute per minute. 44 00:02:19,791 --> 00:02:22,394 So he kind of was eluding to the fact that everything in 45 00:02:22,427 --> 00:02:24,495 "Back To The Future" could never happen. 46 00:02:24,529 --> 00:02:25,898 Couldn't really happen. 47 00:02:28,866 --> 00:02:31,470 The classical idea of a time machine in which 48 00:02:31,502 --> 00:02:33,371 you can go into it at one point in time 49 00:02:33,405 --> 00:02:35,741 and come back out the other side at some other point in time, 50 00:02:35,774 --> 00:02:39,211 it's almost certainly impossible. 51 00:02:43,749 --> 00:02:45,383 But what's beautiful about filmmaking 52 00:02:45,417 --> 00:02:48,454 is you don't have to listen to the physicist. 53 00:02:48,487 --> 00:02:50,388 Whether or not time travel exists, 54 00:02:50,422 --> 00:02:52,925 it speaks to that question of free will, essentially. 55 00:02:52,958 --> 00:02:54,326 That's the question we're playing with 56 00:02:54,358 --> 00:02:57,028 when we're playing with time travel. 57 00:02:57,061 --> 00:02:59,264 It opens up all sorts of fascinating 58 00:02:59,298 --> 00:03:04,637 thought experiments about how that might play out. 59 00:03:04,669 --> 00:03:06,405 In the summer of 1980, 60 00:03:06,437 --> 00:03:08,473 I discovered my father's high school yearbook 61 00:03:08,507 --> 00:03:10,542 and that was where the proverbial bolt 62 00:03:10,574 --> 00:03:12,543 of lightning struck. 63 00:03:12,577 --> 00:03:16,414 What if you could go to high school with your dad? 64 00:03:16,447 --> 00:03:18,549 And what if your mom went to the same high school? 65 00:03:18,583 --> 00:03:19,918 Don't I know you from somewhere? 66 00:03:19,951 --> 00:03:22,821 Yes, I'm your density... 67 00:03:22,853 --> 00:03:24,523 Who wouldn't want to be a fly on the wall 68 00:03:24,555 --> 00:03:26,625 on their parents' first date, right? 69 00:03:28,626 --> 00:03:31,562 So in "Back To The Future," a kid named Marty McFly 70 00:03:31,596 --> 00:03:33,899 accidentally goes back in time, 71 00:03:33,931 --> 00:03:36,768 and interferes with the event 72 00:03:36,802 --> 00:03:40,471 that made his parents meet and fall in love. 73 00:03:40,505 --> 00:03:43,007 So Marty has two problems. 74 00:03:43,041 --> 00:03:45,644 One... he has to get back to 1985, 75 00:03:45,677 --> 00:03:48,479 but before he can do that he has to make sure 76 00:03:48,513 --> 00:03:50,983 that he puts the love affair between his father 77 00:03:51,015 --> 00:03:53,485 and his mother back on track. 78 00:03:55,753 --> 00:03:59,324 Everybody has that fantasy... time travel... 79 00:03:59,358 --> 00:04:04,096 And I feel "Back To The Future" just makes it so rich 80 00:04:04,128 --> 00:04:09,968 with possibility, with a kid, this crazy guy, and a DeLorean! 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,440 You know, I mean, it's just, my God! 82 00:04:14,473 --> 00:04:16,608 So there have been time travel stories in the past, 83 00:04:16,641 --> 00:04:19,044 such as Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol," 84 00:04:19,077 --> 00:04:22,014 in which Scrooge travels by means of dream visions 85 00:04:23,045 --> 00:04:26,118 that allow him to visit the past and the present and the future. 86 00:04:26,151 --> 00:04:29,621 In Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court," 87 00:04:29,654 --> 00:04:31,356 our protagonist is bonked on the head, 88 00:04:31,389 --> 00:04:34,392 and that's what returns him to medieval England. 89 00:04:36,594 --> 00:04:38,363 We never bought that stuff. 90 00:04:38,396 --> 00:04:41,966 We wanted it to be scientific. 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,771 It's gotta be via a time machine of some sort. 92 00:04:46,805 --> 00:04:49,908 So, that would be some guy who invented time travel 93 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:51,509 in his garage, 94 00:04:51,543 --> 00:04:55,581 and that of course is Dr. Emmett L. Brown. 95 00:04:55,613 --> 00:04:57,014 Doc? 96 00:04:57,048 --> 00:04:58,851 Don't say a word! 97 00:04:58,884 --> 00:05:03,889 I just loved this Doc who is feverishly trying to invent 98 00:05:03,921 --> 00:05:06,457 everything he could imagine inventing, 99 00:05:06,490 --> 00:05:09,094 and time travel of course would be the ultimate. 100 00:05:09,127 --> 00:05:12,398 When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, 101 00:05:12,430 --> 00:05:15,099 you're going to see some serious 102 00:05:15,132 --> 00:05:19,070 His excitement about achieving that is incredible. 103 00:05:19,103 --> 00:05:20,705 I loved it. 104 00:05:20,738 --> 00:05:23,808 Mark. Action! 105 00:05:23,841 --> 00:05:26,178 Movies like "Back to the Future" 106 00:05:26,211 --> 00:05:28,747 provide a kind of tutorial about how paradoxes 107 00:05:28,779 --> 00:05:30,448 are things you can play with. 108 00:05:30,481 --> 00:05:33,184 Prior to this point in time, somewhere in the past, 109 00:05:33,218 --> 00:05:35,954 the time line skewed into this tangent, 110 00:05:35,986 --> 00:05:38,689 creating an alternate 1985. 111 00:05:38,723 --> 00:05:41,160 It's necessary for Doc to say it, 112 00:05:41,192 --> 00:05:44,163 not just for the audience to be caught up with the story, 113 00:05:44,195 --> 00:05:46,130 but because he's gotta say... 114 00:05:46,163 --> 00:05:47,966 "I've got to do this because of this because if that happens, 115 00:05:47,998 --> 00:05:49,834 then you've got this going!" 116 00:05:49,868 --> 00:05:51,103 Marty, whatever happens, 117 00:05:51,135 --> 00:05:52,703 you must not let your other self see you. 118 00:05:52,736 --> 00:05:54,972 The consequences could be disastrous. 119 00:05:55,005 --> 00:05:56,974 Excuse me, sir? 120 00:05:57,007 --> 00:06:01,145 He's in total terror that one mistake of judgment 121 00:06:01,178 --> 00:06:05,082 and the whole cosmos could collapse. 122 00:06:05,115 --> 00:06:08,219 This is the thing that every writer always struggles with 123 00:06:08,252 --> 00:06:09,887 in time travel stories. 124 00:06:09,921 --> 00:06:12,957 If you go back in time and something that you do 125 00:06:12,990 --> 00:06:14,459 when you're back there, 126 00:06:14,493 --> 00:06:16,094 causes the death of your grandfather 127 00:06:16,127 --> 00:06:19,531 before he has impregnated your grandmother, 128 00:06:19,563 --> 00:06:22,500 and you therefore cease to exist. 129 00:06:22,533 --> 00:06:25,671 -Right. -But if you cease to exist, 130 00:06:25,704 --> 00:06:27,573 then you weren't around 131 00:06:27,606 --> 00:06:29,141 to get in the time machine in the first place 132 00:06:29,173 --> 00:06:31,709 and to go back in time and do that. 133 00:06:31,743 --> 00:06:33,678 So what happens? 134 00:06:35,012 --> 00:06:36,882 They call it the grandfather paradox. 135 00:06:36,915 --> 00:06:38,550 Now remember, according to my theory 136 00:06:38,582 --> 00:06:40,084 you interfered with your parents first meeting. 137 00:06:40,118 --> 00:06:41,820 If they don't meet they won't fall in love, 138 00:06:41,853 --> 00:06:43,555 they won't get married, and they won't have kids. 139 00:06:43,587 --> 00:06:46,891 "Back To The Future" laid out its rules so clearly, 140 00:06:46,925 --> 00:06:48,994 it effectively taught the movie audience 141 00:06:49,026 --> 00:06:51,195 this is what happens when you change the past, 142 00:06:51,228 --> 00:06:54,832 this is what an alternate timeline might look like. 143 00:06:54,865 --> 00:06:56,634 There are also kind of creepy questions like 144 00:06:56,668 --> 00:06:58,136 what happens when your mom falls in love 145 00:06:58,168 --> 00:07:02,240 with you as a teenager... 146 00:07:02,274 --> 00:07:04,976 The most memorable piece 147 00:07:05,009 --> 00:07:08,813 is Marty's photograph of himself from the '80s, 148 00:07:08,846 --> 00:07:11,849 which he carries around with him back into the '50s 149 00:07:11,882 --> 00:07:15,820 and keeps looking at it to make sure he's still in the picture. 150 00:07:15,853 --> 00:07:17,990 Erased from existence. 151 00:07:18,022 --> 00:07:20,024 So the photograph itself is obviously 152 00:07:20,058 --> 00:07:21,726 incredibly paradoxical. 153 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:23,228 Because why would his brother and sister be there 154 00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:24,929 if his parents had never met? 155 00:07:24,962 --> 00:07:26,697 And like, why would there even have been a photograph 156 00:07:26,731 --> 00:07:28,533 in the first place? 157 00:07:28,567 --> 00:07:30,903 But nobody ever stops to think about that, 158 00:07:30,935 --> 00:07:34,673 because we've set up this rule that says that 159 00:07:34,706 --> 00:07:36,875 when Marty disappears from this photo, 160 00:07:36,908 --> 00:07:40,279 he's going to fade out of existence. 161 00:07:40,312 --> 00:07:43,315 It's a perfect dramatization of the idea 162 00:07:43,348 --> 00:07:47,151 of erasing yourself from the timeline. 163 00:07:47,185 --> 00:07:48,820 Time travel movies sort of invent 164 00:07:48,853 --> 00:07:52,190 whatever device will create the best story. 165 00:07:52,223 --> 00:07:55,227 "Back To The Future" really set up a mousetrap 166 00:07:55,259 --> 00:07:58,829 to create the perfect kind of suspense. 167 00:08:13,911 --> 00:08:16,914 Time travel opens up a lot of possibilities. 168 00:08:16,947 --> 00:08:18,250 So you can have an alternate history, 169 00:08:18,283 --> 00:08:20,152 you can have an alternate present. 170 00:08:20,185 --> 00:08:24,589 It allows us to change a lot of different weird things 171 00:08:24,622 --> 00:08:27,258 about our reality. 172 00:08:27,291 --> 00:08:30,296 And the possibilities are kind of limitless. 173 00:08:34,168 --> 00:08:37,172 Why is so much of our fantasy, you know our, 174 00:08:37,205 --> 00:08:40,008 our imagination in science fiction genre 175 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,909 taken up with this idea of time travel? 176 00:08:41,942 --> 00:08:43,312 Because we can't do it. 177 00:08:43,345 --> 00:08:46,081 I think it is just wonderful to see it on the screen 178 00:08:46,114 --> 00:08:49,585 and imagine ourselves being in that situation. 179 00:08:49,617 --> 00:08:52,753 I would have loved to be able to time travel. 180 00:08:52,787 --> 00:08:55,190 I mean, imagine to go back and say, 181 00:08:55,222 --> 00:08:56,991 "I'm not going to do 'Hercules In New York.'" 182 00:08:57,024 --> 00:08:58,760 My name is Hercules. 183 00:08:58,793 --> 00:09:01,596 Hercules, Schmercules. Give me the dough! 184 00:09:01,630 --> 00:09:03,298 I mean, it's like, unbelievable. 185 00:09:03,331 --> 00:09:05,734 That's the thing you want to go back and do? 186 00:09:05,766 --> 00:09:07,868 Not meet Jesus, not kill Hitler. 187 00:09:07,901 --> 00:09:10,271 You want to go back and fix that one movie. 188 00:09:10,304 --> 00:09:12,006 This haunts you. 189 00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:14,642 To go to kill Hitler or to go and be back in the Roman days, 190 00:09:14,675 --> 00:09:16,711 it would be really interesting 191 00:09:16,745 --> 00:09:17,913 to be able to time travel. 192 00:09:17,946 --> 00:09:19,281 But the question is, 193 00:09:19,313 --> 00:09:21,248 If you can move back and forth in time, 194 00:09:21,282 --> 00:09:23,385 do we have free will? Right. 195 00:09:23,418 --> 00:09:26,020 Because "The Terminator" movies are kind of about that. 196 00:09:26,053 --> 00:09:27,889 They're about free will. 197 00:09:27,922 --> 00:09:30,292 If somebody comes back from the future 198 00:09:30,324 --> 00:09:33,294 to change what happens down there, 199 00:09:33,327 --> 00:09:37,765 then are we just all puppets of a time line? 200 00:09:37,798 --> 00:09:40,802 I have total faith in you that you will figure it out. 201 00:09:49,010 --> 00:09:51,313 There's an interesting theme in "The Terminator" about 202 00:09:51,346 --> 00:09:53,315 Can we change the past? 203 00:09:53,347 --> 00:09:56,984 Can we change the future? 204 00:09:57,018 --> 00:10:00,322 And what you see is the future coming back to destroy the past. 205 00:10:00,355 --> 00:10:02,858 The Terminator coming back to try to kill 206 00:10:02,890 --> 00:10:05,961 Sarah Connor also brings back Kyle Reese... 207 00:10:08,362 --> 00:10:11,433 Who becomes the father to John Connor 208 00:10:11,466 --> 00:10:15,671 and creates the leader of humanity. 209 00:10:15,703 --> 00:10:19,274 The time machine was a mechanism to put the Terminator 210 00:10:19,307 --> 00:10:23,879 and also Michael Biehn, the soldier, into the past. 211 00:10:23,912 --> 00:10:28,950 That character was sent by John Connor in the future 212 00:10:28,982 --> 00:10:30,851 to go back in time 213 00:10:30,885 --> 00:10:34,356 to protect this girl from the Terminator. 214 00:10:34,389 --> 00:10:37,125 Once they're there, then you have this chase, 215 00:10:37,158 --> 00:10:40,796 who's gonna rescue Sarah Connor or is she gonna get killed? 216 00:10:43,197 --> 00:10:46,434 Science fiction is a great place to ask is our destiny fixed? 217 00:10:46,467 --> 00:10:48,236 Or can we change it? 218 00:10:48,269 --> 00:10:49,837 I didn't do anything. 219 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:51,439 No, but you will. 220 00:10:51,472 --> 00:10:54,208 The question is are we locked into one series of events? 221 00:10:54,241 --> 00:10:56,111 Like, by the end of the first film, 222 00:10:56,144 --> 00:10:57,979 you realize you're seeing the creation myth 223 00:10:58,011 --> 00:11:02,450 of the thing they've gone back to prevent in the first place. 224 00:11:02,484 --> 00:11:05,487 The 2nd film opens up the possibility 225 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,091 and Sarah Connor speaks to it directly. 226 00:11:09,124 --> 00:11:11,259 Maybe that's not the universe we're stuck in. 227 00:11:11,292 --> 00:11:13,061 Maybe the future isn't written. 228 00:11:13,093 --> 00:11:14,862 Sarah sticks a knife in the table and says, 229 00:11:14,895 --> 00:11:17,131 "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves." 230 00:11:17,164 --> 00:11:20,868 She's been told that she can change the future. 231 00:11:20,901 --> 00:11:22,436 But is that just an illusion? 232 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:25,207 Are we basically in a movie that's already been shot? 233 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,042 It's already rolled up in the can someplace? 234 00:11:27,074 --> 00:11:28,876 That could be! 235 00:11:28,909 --> 00:11:30,846 You can play it forward and backward as much as you want, 236 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:32,147 but the ending never changes? 237 00:11:32,179 --> 00:11:35,282 I think that we have control over ourselves 238 00:11:35,316 --> 00:11:39,087 and I think that we have the power to create changes. 239 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,188 Your son gave me a message to give to you. 240 00:11:41,221 --> 00:11:43,158 "The future is not set. 241 00:11:43,191 --> 00:11:45,360 You must survive or I will never exist." 242 00:11:45,393 --> 00:11:47,162 The future is not set. 243 00:11:47,194 --> 00:11:49,363 You know, I mean that's... That's kind of the line... 244 00:11:49,396 --> 00:11:50,831 The future's not set. 245 00:11:50,865 --> 00:11:52,868 And it can be altered. 246 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:56,237 Should I tell you about your father? 247 00:11:56,270 --> 00:11:58,906 If you don't send Kyle, you can never be. 248 00:11:58,939 --> 00:12:03,077 The point that the film makes is that you can change history. 249 00:12:03,111 --> 00:12:05,045 You can escape the Terminator. 250 00:12:05,078 --> 00:12:08,047 But time travel is not about history 251 00:12:08,048 --> 00:12:09,784 and it's not about time travel, 252 00:12:09,817 --> 00:12:11,418 it's about accepting responsibility 253 00:12:11,452 --> 00:12:15,524 for all the possibilities in your own life. 254 00:12:15,557 --> 00:12:18,125 The idea of taking the wrong turn 255 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:20,394 and making a correction later on, 256 00:12:20,428 --> 00:12:22,463 it's not a new idea in science fiction. 257 00:12:22,496 --> 00:12:25,233 It's not even a new idea in the movies. 258 00:12:27,968 --> 00:12:29,837 "Looper" is one where you're essentially trying 259 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:31,139 to not change the world, 260 00:12:31,172 --> 00:12:34,176 but change your world, change your life. 261 00:12:37,111 --> 00:12:39,814 In "Looper," the time traveler is a hit man. 262 00:12:39,847 --> 00:12:42,284 Wouldn't you know? 263 00:12:42,317 --> 00:12:44,186 He's a hit man played both 264 00:12:44,218 --> 00:12:48,222 by Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Bruce Willis. 265 00:12:48,255 --> 00:12:50,058 When you agree to be a Looper, 266 00:12:50,091 --> 00:12:51,359 it's not a long-term job. 267 00:12:51,391 --> 00:12:52,993 There's not much of a future in it. 268 00:12:53,026 --> 00:12:56,363 One day, you know that your future self 269 00:12:56,396 --> 00:13:01,035 is going to show up in front of you... 270 00:13:01,068 --> 00:13:04,839 and you're going to have to shoot it. 271 00:13:04,872 --> 00:13:06,841 That's gonna be his final hit. 272 00:13:06,875 --> 00:13:08,176 To kill himself. 273 00:13:08,208 --> 00:13:12,046 And he, and all of the other loopers, 274 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,381 enter into this bargain. 275 00:13:13,414 --> 00:13:14,982 And you have to do it. 276 00:13:16,014 --> 00:13:17,385 If you don't do it it's a really big problem. 277 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:24,091 The older one, the Bruce Willis character, 278 00:13:24,125 --> 00:13:25,961 knows the whole story. 279 00:13:25,994 --> 00:13:28,463 But the younger one is learning for the first time what's... 280 00:13:28,495 --> 00:13:30,064 What's going on. 281 00:13:30,097 --> 00:13:32,067 And he naturally has a few questions. 282 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:33,902 So do you know what's gonna happen? 283 00:13:33,934 --> 00:13:36,404 I don't wanna talk about time travel 284 00:13:36,437 --> 00:13:37,639 because if we start talking about it 285 00:13:37,672 --> 00:13:39,207 then we're gonna be here all day 286 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,043 talking about it, making diagrams with straws. 287 00:13:42,076 --> 00:13:44,880 Talking about time travel. 288 00:13:44,913 --> 00:13:47,515 It makes you go crazy. 289 00:13:47,548 --> 00:13:50,485 And the option of going through a conversation like that 290 00:13:50,518 --> 00:13:55,322 with you at a younger age would make you even crazier. 291 00:13:55,356 --> 00:13:57,158 Move, damnit. 292 00:13:57,191 --> 00:13:59,261 Time travel is a device that 293 00:13:59,293 --> 00:14:01,630 story is using to tell a story about human nature 294 00:14:01,663 --> 00:14:04,966 and how humans treat each other and why. 295 00:14:07,335 --> 00:14:08,928 Move. 296 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,509 Then I saw it. 297 00:14:15,542 --> 00:14:18,746 If "Looper" is a story about how violence 298 00:14:18,779 --> 00:14:21,615 perpetuates more violence, to me, the lesson is 299 00:14:21,648 --> 00:14:24,785 that you just create more problems and worse problems. 300 00:14:24,818 --> 00:14:29,023 I saw it... and the path was a circle. 301 00:14:29,057 --> 00:14:32,027 It's kind of about changing your own destiny. 302 00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:35,130 And it's kind of about how your destiny 303 00:14:35,163 --> 00:14:39,200 is always being shaped by people more powerful than yourself. 304 00:14:39,233 --> 00:14:45,073 And how do you really get out of a dark cycle? 305 00:14:45,105 --> 00:14:49,410 The movie is pointing out another way to end that cycle. 306 00:14:49,443 --> 00:14:52,179 So I changed it. 307 00:14:52,212 --> 00:14:53,781 It is an existential dilemma. 308 00:14:53,815 --> 00:14:57,719 A lot of time travel is very philosophical in that way. 309 00:14:57,751 --> 00:15:02,623 Joe finally takes control of his life by ending it. 310 00:15:04,172 --> 00:15:06,708 Why are we fascinated by time travel? 311 00:15:06,742 --> 00:15:08,812 Well, you know people very often ask me 312 00:15:08,845 --> 00:15:10,513 why am I interested in time, I say, 313 00:15:10,546 --> 00:15:11,815 "Well, because I've always lived in it." 314 00:15:11,848 --> 00:15:14,084 -Yeah, right. -It's... I'm... we are. 315 00:15:14,117 --> 00:15:15,452 We feel very trapped in it. 316 00:15:15,484 --> 00:15:17,253 It's like, we try to hang on to the moment. 317 00:15:17,286 --> 00:15:19,656 We take photographs of everything, right? 318 00:15:19,688 --> 00:15:21,723 We desperately want to hang on to 319 00:15:21,757 --> 00:15:24,861 this reality and it recedes. 320 00:15:24,893 --> 00:15:26,763 What time travel allows us to do is to say, 321 00:15:26,796 --> 00:15:28,665 "Okay, but what if we could? 322 00:15:28,697 --> 00:15:30,699 What if we could preserve that moment. 323 00:15:30,733 --> 00:15:33,503 What if we could revisit that moment, genuinely?" 324 00:15:33,536 --> 00:15:35,138 Well, that's all science fiction is about... What if? 325 00:15:35,171 --> 00:15:38,508 What if we could travel through space, 326 00:15:38,541 --> 00:15:41,444 what if we could travel through time? 327 00:15:46,548 --> 00:15:48,851 What makes "Interstellar" so compelling 328 00:15:48,884 --> 00:15:52,388 is that the filmmakers devised these turns of plot 329 00:15:52,421 --> 00:15:56,258 to create a real classic family story 330 00:15:56,292 --> 00:15:58,862 with the deepest possible emotions. 331 00:15:58,894 --> 00:16:00,696 Fundamentally, "Interstellar" is about 332 00:16:00,729 --> 00:16:02,731 the human cost of time travel. 333 00:16:02,764 --> 00:16:05,567 It's a deeply and intensely personal drama, 334 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,403 and the story of what happens 335 00:16:07,436 --> 00:16:10,739 when a father is separated from his child. 336 00:16:10,773 --> 00:16:12,274 I said stay! 337 00:16:12,307 --> 00:16:14,309 No, I'm coming back. 338 00:16:14,343 --> 00:16:15,578 When? 339 00:16:15,610 --> 00:16:17,346 Will he go and save humanity 340 00:16:17,379 --> 00:16:19,749 or will he stay with his daughter instead? 341 00:16:19,782 --> 00:16:21,283 I mean, by the time I get back, we... 342 00:16:21,316 --> 00:16:24,220 We might even be the same age. 343 00:16:24,253 --> 00:16:25,854 Murph. 344 00:16:25,888 --> 00:16:27,724 You have no idea when you're coming back? 345 00:16:30,859 --> 00:16:33,830 "Interstellar" projects us into a near future 346 00:16:33,863 --> 00:16:36,699 in which the world has gone through 347 00:16:36,731 --> 00:16:40,502 an enormous global catastrophe. 348 00:16:40,536 --> 00:16:42,472 Nelson's torching his whole crop. 349 00:16:42,504 --> 00:16:43,840 Blight? 350 00:16:43,873 --> 00:16:46,709 They're saying it's the last harvest for okra. 351 00:16:46,742 --> 00:16:48,178 Ever. 352 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:50,879 I play Cooper's father-in-law. 353 00:16:50,912 --> 00:16:54,484 Matthew McConaughey plays Cooper, a former astronaut, 354 00:16:54,517 --> 00:16:57,320 who by several turns of plot, 355 00:16:57,352 --> 00:17:00,455 goes shooting into outer space. 356 00:17:00,488 --> 00:17:04,359 We've got to move to another planet or we'll not survive. 357 00:17:07,230 --> 00:17:09,666 "Interstellar" is an unusual time travel film 358 00:17:09,698 --> 00:17:11,935 because instead of building a literal time machine 359 00:17:11,967 --> 00:17:13,969 and having it be about an invention, 360 00:17:14,003 --> 00:17:16,472 it's about the way time works in space, 361 00:17:16,504 --> 00:17:18,474 the way that it speeds up or slows down 362 00:17:18,506 --> 00:17:23,345 depending on wormholes and gravitational pull. 363 00:17:23,379 --> 00:17:24,847 I think there are all sorts of different ways 364 00:17:24,879 --> 00:17:26,515 of looking at time travel, 365 00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:28,585 and when I came to do "Interstellar," 366 00:17:28,618 --> 00:17:32,422 which is not a time travel movie but has that element in it... 367 00:17:32,455 --> 00:17:34,857 It does fold time at the end. It does. 368 00:17:34,889 --> 00:17:37,526 -You still approached it very rigorously. -Yes. 369 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,361 By going to some of the top experts. 370 00:17:39,395 --> 00:17:42,532 It was a really fascinating part of the process 371 00:17:42,564 --> 00:17:45,000 because Kip Thorne who was one of the original... 372 00:17:45,033 --> 00:17:46,636 -Caltech I think. -Caltech. 373 00:17:46,668 --> 00:17:49,839 And Kip is one of the great minds in physics. 374 00:17:49,871 --> 00:17:53,475 What he taught me is that once you can grasp 375 00:17:53,509 --> 00:17:55,945 those physical concepts as concepts of astrophysics, 376 00:17:55,977 --> 00:17:59,849 they offer you this great launching pad 377 00:17:59,881 --> 00:18:01,450 for story possibilities 378 00:18:01,484 --> 00:18:03,019 to do with relativity and all these things. 379 00:18:03,052 --> 00:18:06,455 -Time dilation. -Exactly. 380 00:18:06,488 --> 00:18:08,457 There are two forms of time travel. 381 00:18:08,491 --> 00:18:10,660 There's the time travel that is probably impossible 382 00:18:10,693 --> 00:18:12,427 and that's going backwards. 383 00:18:12,461 --> 00:18:15,330 Then you have time travel, which is not only possible, 384 00:18:15,363 --> 00:18:18,867 but already a feature of our world, 385 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:22,804 which is time dilation forwards. 386 00:18:22,838 --> 00:18:25,774 In science, there's this thing called the "twin paradox," 387 00:18:25,808 --> 00:18:28,278 which basically says that if my twin gets in a spaceship 388 00:18:28,311 --> 00:18:30,713 and goes traveling at, near to the speed of light, 389 00:18:30,745 --> 00:18:32,581 and then returns to Earth, 390 00:18:32,615 --> 00:18:34,550 when my twin gets back to Earth, my twin 391 00:18:34,582 --> 00:18:36,819 will be younger than I am. 392 00:18:36,851 --> 00:18:39,554 That's a form of time travel. 393 00:18:39,588 --> 00:18:43,292 And that is actually brilliantly illustrated 394 00:18:43,325 --> 00:18:44,693 in the movie "Interstellar." 395 00:18:44,726 --> 00:18:46,728 Go, go, go, go, go. 396 00:18:46,762 --> 00:18:51,301 Seven years per hour here. Let's make it count. 397 00:18:51,333 --> 00:18:54,504 "Interstellar" explored, in the most advanced way, 398 00:18:54,536 --> 00:18:56,505 how time travel really might work. 399 00:18:56,539 --> 00:18:58,641 When they go to the water planet, 400 00:18:58,674 --> 00:19:02,011 time works differently. 401 00:19:02,043 --> 00:19:03,879 They come back to their ship, 402 00:19:03,913 --> 00:19:06,983 and the guy who stayed on the ship has grown old. 403 00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:09,819 I've waited years. 404 00:19:09,851 --> 00:19:13,488 How... How many years? 405 00:19:13,522 --> 00:19:15,325 By now it must be... 406 00:19:15,358 --> 00:19:19,462 23 years, 4 months, 8 days. 407 00:19:19,494 --> 00:19:21,697 "Interstellar" suggests that time travel will always 408 00:19:21,731 --> 00:19:23,433 have a certain kind of tradeoff. 409 00:19:23,465 --> 00:19:26,335 So on the one hand, the scientist's ability 410 00:19:26,369 --> 00:19:30,572 to travel through space and time is essential to saving humanity, 411 00:19:30,606 --> 00:19:32,542 but the fact that he has to go on this journey 412 00:19:32,574 --> 00:19:34,811 in the first place, and to be separated from his daughter 413 00:19:34,843 --> 00:19:39,614 for most of her natural life, suggests the very real cost. 414 00:19:39,648 --> 00:19:43,086 Hey, Dad. 415 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,887 Hey, Murph. 416 00:19:44,919 --> 00:19:46,888 You son of a bitch. 417 00:19:46,921 --> 00:19:53,028 There are moments when Matthew is allowed to see his daughter, 418 00:19:53,061 --> 00:19:55,063 by, video stream. 419 00:19:55,097 --> 00:19:57,667 It's absolutely heartbreaking. 420 00:19:57,699 --> 00:19:59,936 You once told me that when you came back, 421 00:19:59,968 --> 00:20:03,672 we might be the same age. 422 00:20:03,705 --> 00:20:07,609 And today, I'm the age you were when you left. 423 00:20:09,677 --> 00:20:13,448 This might be a real good time for you to come back. 424 00:20:13,482 --> 00:20:16,052 People talk about, "My kid was born, and I blinked, 425 00:20:16,084 --> 00:20:18,854 and then I sent them off to college." 426 00:20:18,888 --> 00:20:20,956 The movie is literally about that. 427 00:20:23,426 --> 00:20:26,928 The sacrifices that go along with whatever it is 428 00:20:26,962 --> 00:20:29,465 that you've given your life to, 429 00:20:29,497 --> 00:20:32,734 at the expense of these moments with your family, 430 00:20:32,767 --> 00:20:36,738 which I think is the very poetic part of "Interstellar." 431 00:20:36,772 --> 00:20:40,943 So if "Interstellar" explores the human cost of time travel, 432 00:20:40,975 --> 00:20:44,045 "Primer" does something very similar, 433 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:46,682 but it does so in a different way. 434 00:20:46,715 --> 00:20:48,784 We have two everyday engineers 435 00:20:48,818 --> 00:20:52,455 who accidentally create time travel. 436 00:20:52,487 --> 00:20:54,657 Anything? 437 00:20:54,689 --> 00:20:56,725 -Is this normal? -I don't know. 438 00:20:56,759 --> 00:20:59,929 Some people think it's the most credible, 439 00:20:59,962 --> 00:21:03,433 complicated, time travel movie. 440 00:21:03,465 --> 00:21:06,468 It's done on a very low budget. 441 00:21:06,502 --> 00:21:08,937 Do you know who directed that? 442 00:21:08,971 --> 00:21:10,205 Shane Carruth. 443 00:21:10,238 --> 00:21:12,073 He's in it, he's lovely in it. 444 00:21:12,107 --> 00:21:14,911 What's it doing? 445 00:21:14,944 --> 00:21:17,513 I don't know if I'm making it up... 446 00:21:17,545 --> 00:21:18,747 These two guys, Abe and Aaron, 447 00:21:18,781 --> 00:21:20,950 keep investigating this phenomenon. 448 00:21:20,983 --> 00:21:24,052 There's this weird anomaly that shows up. 449 00:21:26,088 --> 00:21:28,124 What they finally realize is that they have 450 00:21:28,157 --> 00:21:30,592 created a space 451 00:21:30,626 --> 00:21:33,629 that you can travel through time in. 452 00:21:33,661 --> 00:21:36,932 So they take this, and create a bigger box, 453 00:21:36,965 --> 00:21:40,969 big enough for a human to be in. 454 00:21:41,003 --> 00:21:43,138 When they do this, they use it for really mundane 455 00:21:43,171 --> 00:21:44,873 and very human purposes. 456 00:21:44,907 --> 00:21:47,909 One uses it to play the stock market. 457 00:21:47,943 --> 00:21:50,146 And time travel ends up pulling the friends apart. 458 00:21:50,178 --> 00:21:51,714 I just want to know what box you used. 459 00:21:51,746 --> 00:21:53,483 You built the one for you, right? Just the one? 460 00:21:53,515 --> 00:21:54,850 Yeah. How many do you think I made? 461 00:21:54,884 --> 00:21:56,586 They are suspicious of each other 462 00:21:56,619 --> 00:21:57,919 and they're also deceiving each other 463 00:21:57,953 --> 00:22:00,189 because something about going back in time 464 00:22:00,222 --> 00:22:01,624 affects their brain, 465 00:22:01,657 --> 00:22:04,461 and they do start losing their minds. 466 00:22:07,196 --> 00:22:09,764 Like many other movies, "Primer" does indeed suggest 467 00:22:09,798 --> 00:22:11,734 that there is a cost to time travel, 468 00:22:11,766 --> 00:22:14,669 and in this case the cost is both emotional and physical. 469 00:22:14,703 --> 00:22:17,706 What's on your hand? Are you bleeding? 470 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:20,142 So when we start seeing our characters show up, 471 00:22:20,175 --> 00:22:21,744 and they've got, you know, bloody ears, 472 00:22:21,776 --> 00:22:23,812 and they lose the ability to write, 473 00:22:23,846 --> 00:22:26,715 their right-handed writing looks like their left-handed writing, 474 00:22:26,748 --> 00:22:28,783 there's something going on mentally that 475 00:22:28,817 --> 00:22:31,154 they are paying the price with. 476 00:22:34,822 --> 00:22:37,826 The time-travel story, it's a kind of Faustian tale. 477 00:22:37,859 --> 00:22:39,928 The bargain with the devil. 478 00:22:39,962 --> 00:22:41,664 Everything is a barter. 479 00:22:41,696 --> 00:22:43,832 If you sell your soul to the devil, 480 00:22:43,866 --> 00:22:47,302 you can have everything you ever dreamed of. 481 00:22:47,336 --> 00:22:50,940 But eventually you pay the piper. 482 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:54,505 Who doesn't wonder about the past? 483 00:22:54,538 --> 00:22:56,006 Who doesn't wonder about the future? 484 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,476 How many times has that game been played, you know, 485 00:22:58,508 --> 00:23:01,679 if you could go back in time, where would you go? 486 00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:04,983 Can you remember the first time you ever heard of time travel? 487 00:23:05,015 --> 00:23:07,584 "I think ancient Greeks must have had time travel. 488 00:23:07,618 --> 00:23:09,954 Isn't there some time travel thing in Shakespeare?" 489 00:23:09,986 --> 00:23:11,989 Right? But there isn't. 490 00:23:12,023 --> 00:23:16,861 Time travel is new. Time travel is a new idea. 491 00:23:16,893 --> 00:23:20,832 Before H.G. Wells, it didn't exist. 492 00:23:23,434 --> 00:23:26,771 What Wells gave the time travel story was the machine. 493 00:23:26,803 --> 00:23:28,572 The idea that somebody could build a machine 494 00:23:28,605 --> 00:23:31,909 that would do for time what rocket ships would do for space. 495 00:23:31,943 --> 00:23:34,346 And the idea was just irresistible. 496 00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:38,483 It's literally true that the words "time" and "travel" 497 00:23:38,515 --> 00:23:43,354 in English were never used together before H.G. Wells 498 00:23:43,388 --> 00:23:46,524 invented this character that he called... 499 00:23:46,556 --> 00:23:48,693 The Time Traveller. 500 00:24:08,946 --> 00:24:13,618 My grandfather, H.G. Wells, wrote that in 1895. 501 00:24:15,652 --> 00:24:20,391 This is a first edition of "The Time Machine." 502 00:24:20,425 --> 00:24:22,894 Firstly, he was writing anything he could sell. 503 00:24:22,927 --> 00:24:24,629 The novels that we now know, 504 00:24:24,661 --> 00:24:26,563 which are these great science-fiction novels, 505 00:24:26,597 --> 00:24:29,534 came after he'd spent years writing as a journalist, 506 00:24:29,566 --> 00:24:32,870 but there was an enormous amount of kind of revolutionary science 507 00:24:32,903 --> 00:24:34,571 going on at the time. 508 00:24:34,604 --> 00:24:37,674 Darwin was talking about the history of human life 509 00:24:37,707 --> 00:24:42,647 in terms of millions and billions of years. 510 00:24:42,679 --> 00:24:45,015 Archaeologists were doing the same thing. 511 00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:50,955 Humanity was developing a longer view of time than ever before. 512 00:24:50,987 --> 00:24:52,423 When I speak of time, gentlemen, 513 00:24:52,457 --> 00:24:55,193 I'm referring to the fourth dimension. 514 00:24:55,226 --> 00:24:57,161 H.G. Wells, "The Time Machine," 515 00:24:57,195 --> 00:24:59,864 his character goes forward in time, 516 00:24:59,897 --> 00:25:02,534 no problem there. 517 00:25:02,566 --> 00:25:06,570 Going back in time... Entirely different thing. 518 00:25:06,603 --> 00:25:08,439 If you go back in time, then you start running 519 00:25:08,473 --> 00:25:10,809 into all sorts of issues with causality. 520 00:25:10,841 --> 00:25:14,579 And that's the view that's expressed in the phrase, 521 00:25:14,611 --> 00:25:16,180 the butterfly effect. 522 00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:20,585 A tiny change, a tiny perturbation in a complex system 523 00:25:20,618 --> 00:25:24,589 can have enormous and unpredictable consequences 524 00:25:24,621 --> 00:25:26,224 in a fairly short time. 525 00:25:26,256 --> 00:25:28,459 And it starts with 526 00:25:28,493 --> 00:25:30,962 "A Sound of Thunder" by Ray Bradbury. 527 00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:35,533 The basic idea of the story is that you can 528 00:25:35,565 --> 00:25:37,101 travel back in time, but you're going to be 529 00:25:37,133 --> 00:25:40,537 on this suspended platform and you can shoot a dinosaur 530 00:25:40,571 --> 00:25:42,173 but it has to be one that was going to die anyway, 531 00:25:42,206 --> 00:25:45,009 so that you don't change anything in the future. 532 00:25:45,042 --> 00:25:49,481 And this fairly arrogant game hunter steps off 533 00:25:49,514 --> 00:25:53,051 and kills a butterfly... 534 00:25:53,083 --> 00:25:54,952 And comes back and his future has turned into 535 00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:57,789 this kind of dystopian version of his own world 536 00:25:57,822 --> 00:26:01,091 that he barely recognizes. 537 00:26:01,124 --> 00:26:03,760 Bradbury creates these deep metaphors 538 00:26:03,793 --> 00:26:05,630 that give shape to a lot of the way 539 00:26:05,662 --> 00:26:07,231 I think people have subsequently 540 00:26:07,265 --> 00:26:09,199 understood ideas like time travel. 541 00:26:09,233 --> 00:26:13,037 If you change a butterfly in the past, 542 00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:16,541 the entire future might be different. 543 00:26:16,573 --> 00:26:18,909 When writers of time travel stories 544 00:26:18,943 --> 00:26:20,645 consider the logical implications 545 00:26:20,678 --> 00:26:22,013 of everything that happens, 546 00:26:22,045 --> 00:26:26,617 they get tied up in these paradoxes. 547 00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:30,522 Robert Heinlein is the first writer to get the pleasure 548 00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:32,923 and peculiarity of time travel paradoxes 549 00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:35,793 and how they can be exploited again and again and again. 550 00:26:35,825 --> 00:26:38,262 He sees that the problem with time travel stories 551 00:26:38,295 --> 00:26:41,064 isn't a problem, it's an opportunity. 552 00:26:41,098 --> 00:26:43,167 He wrote stories like "All You Zombies," 553 00:26:43,199 --> 00:26:45,569 which has nothing to do with zombies, by the way, 554 00:26:45,602 --> 00:26:49,806 but it has to do with probably the most completely confusing 555 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,646 and delightful science fiction time paradox story there is, 556 00:26:54,678 --> 00:26:57,180 which was made into the film "Predestination." 557 00:26:57,214 --> 00:26:59,817 I can do this, I can change my past. 558 00:26:59,850 --> 00:27:02,286 Yes, you can. 559 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,557 Have you ever thought about changing yours? 560 00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:07,091 I never deviate from the mission. 561 00:27:07,123 --> 00:27:10,928 Predestination is about an intersex time traveler 562 00:27:10,961 --> 00:27:13,964 who starts life as a woman... 563 00:27:13,997 --> 00:27:17,568 Is forced into gender reassignment, becomes a man. 564 00:27:17,601 --> 00:27:20,838 That man then travels back in time, 565 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:24,742 falls in love with his female self, 566 00:27:24,774 --> 00:27:26,878 that female self then has a child 567 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:29,813 which ends up being the creation of themselves. 568 00:27:29,847 --> 00:27:32,350 So it's an intersex time-traveling 569 00:27:32,382 --> 00:27:37,054 incest love story. 570 00:27:37,088 --> 00:27:39,991 And in fact "Playboy" magazine rejected the story 571 00:27:40,024 --> 00:27:43,026 because all the sex made the editor queasy, 572 00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:45,129 the editor of "Playboy." 573 00:27:45,161 --> 00:27:47,765 Well, I think it had to do with the idea of having sex 574 00:27:47,797 --> 00:27:49,866 with yourself to create yourself, 575 00:27:49,899 --> 00:27:51,201 which is kind of crazy 576 00:27:51,235 --> 00:27:53,103 that "Playboy" would have an issue 577 00:27:53,137 --> 00:27:54,639 with something like that. 578 00:27:54,671 --> 00:27:57,174 But it was 1959. 579 00:27:59,909 --> 00:28:01,345 Well, it's the age-old question... 580 00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:03,880 Which came first the chicken or the egg? 581 00:28:03,913 --> 00:28:05,282 Yeah. We say the rooster. 582 00:28:05,315 --> 00:28:07,751 Some things are predestined, right? 583 00:28:07,784 --> 00:28:10,088 I made you who you are, you made me who I am, 584 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,622 it's a paradox, right? 585 00:28:11,656 --> 00:28:14,826 But it can be para-doctored! 586 00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:18,129 We've had time travel in science fiction movies 587 00:28:18,161 --> 00:28:21,899 for most of the 20th century, so I guess the question is why? 588 00:28:21,931 --> 00:28:25,168 Well, because what you're doing is exploring possible futures. 589 00:28:25,201 --> 00:28:27,704 You're exploring the decisions that we make now. 590 00:28:27,737 --> 00:28:31,341 It enables us to imagine what the future will be like 591 00:28:31,374 --> 00:28:34,244 or what the past would be like if we interacted with it. 592 00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:38,216 It's incredibly important way of exploring potential futures. 593 00:28:38,248 --> 00:28:41,251 The future is now. 594 00:28:44,008 --> 00:28:46,844 So many science fiction movies are about these brilliant 595 00:28:46,878 --> 00:28:52,684 scientists and astrophysicists, biologists. 596 00:28:52,717 --> 00:28:55,786 And "Bill And Ted's Excellent Adventure" is not. 597 00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:57,923 No way! 598 00:28:57,956 --> 00:28:59,625 Yes, way Ted! 599 00:29:00,925 --> 00:29:03,794 In a way, "Bill & Ted" becomes important 600 00:29:03,828 --> 00:29:06,632 just because it's so different from everything else. 601 00:29:06,665 --> 00:29:08,734 It makes you think what is wrong with us, 602 00:29:08,766 --> 00:29:11,003 the people writing these films, if we can't imagine 603 00:29:11,035 --> 00:29:13,337 the future as anything but awful? 604 00:29:13,371 --> 00:29:15,640 Two dudes can be the heroes, man. 605 00:29:15,673 --> 00:29:16,874 Ready Ted? 606 00:29:16,908 --> 00:29:18,677 Ready Bill? 607 00:29:18,709 --> 00:29:21,345 Let's go back into history! 608 00:29:21,379 --> 00:29:26,284 Alex Winter and I became Bill and Ted. 609 00:29:26,317 --> 00:29:30,488 Bill S. Preston, Esquire, Ted Theodore Logan. 610 00:29:30,522 --> 00:29:32,724 Excellent! 611 00:29:32,756 --> 00:29:34,558 Bill and Ted are idiots. 612 00:29:34,592 --> 00:29:37,028 And our teacher tells us that if we don't pass our history exam 613 00:29:37,062 --> 00:29:39,063 we're going to fail out of school. 614 00:29:39,096 --> 00:29:40,731 The lady in that car over there said 615 00:29:40,765 --> 00:29:44,436 that Marco Polo was in the year 1275. 616 00:29:44,468 --> 00:29:46,772 So it's not just a water sport. I knew it. 617 00:29:46,804 --> 00:29:49,940 If they fail Ted's dad is going to send him to military school, 618 00:29:49,974 --> 00:29:51,543 and if they're separated their band 619 00:29:51,575 --> 00:29:54,746 will never form and save the world. 620 00:29:56,413 --> 00:29:58,015 Someone from the future shows up and says, 621 00:29:58,048 --> 00:29:59,517 "We're going to help you." 622 00:29:59,551 --> 00:30:02,087 Do you know when the Mongols ruled China? 623 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,622 Perhaps we can ask them. 624 00:30:06,791 --> 00:30:08,927 Bill and Ted of course can accept everything. 625 00:30:08,959 --> 00:30:11,697 Dudes, you guys are going to go back in time! 626 00:30:11,729 --> 00:30:13,464 -Yeah! -They're kind of like 627 00:30:13,497 --> 00:30:19,071 these modern fools, of kind of an eternal optimism. 628 00:30:19,103 --> 00:30:21,505 We had a funny moment, Chris Matheson and I, 629 00:30:21,538 --> 00:30:24,008 when we wrote it we were not involved 630 00:30:24,042 --> 00:30:25,610 in the casting of the film, 631 00:30:25,642 --> 00:30:29,480 and didn't know who would play Bill and Ted. 632 00:30:29,514 --> 00:30:31,515 We had flown to Arizona where we were shooting the movie 633 00:30:31,548 --> 00:30:34,051 and we were at a McDonald's in line, 634 00:30:34,084 --> 00:30:36,121 and we saw a couple of kids in front of us 635 00:30:36,153 --> 00:30:38,022 and goofing off and we were like, 636 00:30:38,055 --> 00:30:39,591 "Those are the guys, 637 00:30:39,623 --> 00:30:41,492 that's who should be playing Bill and Ted!" 638 00:30:41,525 --> 00:30:44,996 And later on that day we met Keanu and Alex 639 00:30:45,028 --> 00:30:46,765 and those were the guys that were in front of us 640 00:30:46,797 --> 00:30:51,035 at McDonald's and we were like, "That's perfect." 641 00:30:51,069 --> 00:30:53,038 And you know of course we are bequeathed 642 00:30:53,071 --> 00:30:55,907 a time traveling phone booth by George Carlin 643 00:30:55,939 --> 00:30:59,378 and set upon a mission through spacetime. 644 00:30:59,410 --> 00:31:01,446 We collect all the various characters from history 645 00:31:01,478 --> 00:31:02,980 because that would be the most awesome report 646 00:31:03,014 --> 00:31:04,882 you could have would be to actually have the real 647 00:31:04,916 --> 00:31:06,985 people there. 648 00:31:07,017 --> 00:31:08,919 We love toying with all these paradoxes. 649 00:31:08,953 --> 00:31:12,657 And one of my favorite parts of the "Bill & Ted" movie 650 00:31:12,689 --> 00:31:15,526 is when all the historical figures are in jail 651 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,794 and they can't get out. 652 00:31:16,828 --> 00:31:18,563 Can we get your dad's keys? 653 00:31:18,595 --> 00:31:20,865 Could steal 'em! Good thinking dude! 654 00:31:20,899 --> 00:31:23,702 After the report we'll time travel back to two days ago, 655 00:31:23,735 --> 00:31:27,973 steal your dad's keys and leave them here. 656 00:31:28,005 --> 00:31:29,440 See?! 657 00:31:29,474 --> 00:31:30,909 Yeah! 658 00:31:30,941 --> 00:31:32,777 So after the report we can't forget to do this 659 00:31:32,811 --> 00:31:34,446 otherwise it won't happen. 660 00:31:34,478 --> 00:31:37,415 Ted is like connecting to his future self 661 00:31:37,448 --> 00:31:38,883 through his present self to know 662 00:31:38,917 --> 00:31:40,819 where his future self will want to hide the keys 663 00:31:40,852 --> 00:31:43,822 because the future self already knows what the past self did, 664 00:31:43,854 --> 00:31:46,791 but the past self doesn't know what the future self did, 665 00:31:46,824 --> 00:31:48,727 but he knows the character. 666 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:50,127 Come on, Ted. 667 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,697 We've got some historical figures to rescue. 668 00:31:52,729 --> 00:31:54,900 And it perfectly encapsulates the absurdity 669 00:31:54,932 --> 00:31:56,734 of the time travel paradox. 670 00:31:56,767 --> 00:31:58,702 You just have to remind yourself to have done them in the past 671 00:31:58,736 --> 00:31:59,970 and they will be done in the future. 672 00:32:00,004 --> 00:32:02,607 And I just thought that was terrific. 673 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,578 It just says, yeah, don't worry about it. 674 00:32:06,611 --> 00:32:09,147 It's pretty fascinating honestly how rare 675 00:32:09,179 --> 00:32:10,614 "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" 676 00:32:10,648 --> 00:32:12,984 is in the grand history of sci-fi films. 677 00:32:13,016 --> 00:32:16,921 To have a sci-fi film that says, "This is just fun!" 678 00:32:16,955 --> 00:32:19,724 is an incredible strange relief. 679 00:32:19,756 --> 00:32:21,860 No way! 680 00:32:21,892 --> 00:32:23,727 It's not the only science fiction film 681 00:32:23,761 --> 00:32:25,530 to have fun with time travel. 682 00:32:25,563 --> 00:32:28,699 In fact, this comedy was the first to popularize 683 00:32:28,733 --> 00:32:32,671 a particular form of time travel called the time loop. 684 00:32:32,704 --> 00:32:37,742 Rita, I'm re-living the same day over and over. 685 00:32:37,775 --> 00:32:39,945 Groundhog Day. Today. 686 00:32:39,977 --> 00:32:42,546 "Groundhog Day" uses the device of a time loop 687 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,516 as a way to explore ways you need to work on yourself 688 00:32:45,550 --> 00:32:47,786 before you can grow up and have meaningful 689 00:32:47,819 --> 00:32:50,722 relationships with other people. 690 00:32:50,755 --> 00:32:53,123 When I was first brainstorming ideas, 691 00:32:53,157 --> 00:32:55,494 I actually wrote on the little index card, 692 00:32:55,526 --> 00:32:56,995 "time machine." 693 00:32:57,027 --> 00:32:59,964 But I didn't really know what was going to be involved 694 00:32:59,997 --> 00:33:02,167 or how it was going to work. 695 00:33:02,199 --> 00:33:05,569 Phil? Phil?! Phil Connors? 696 00:33:05,602 --> 00:33:07,005 Phil Connors, I thought that was you. 697 00:33:07,037 --> 00:33:08,707 Hey, how are you? 698 00:33:08,739 --> 00:33:11,175 I just thought, "Okay, whatever it is the rule is, 699 00:33:11,208 --> 00:33:13,577 he can remember, but nobody else can remember. 700 00:33:13,611 --> 00:33:16,881 So for them it's just the same day. 701 00:33:16,915 --> 00:33:21,786 And for him it's part of a long, long, long repetition of days." 702 00:33:21,819 --> 00:33:23,955 And the audience learns to expect that, 703 00:33:23,987 --> 00:33:27,191 and can begin to sort of map the day along with the character 704 00:33:27,225 --> 00:33:29,227 and see if they can figure out 705 00:33:29,259 --> 00:33:33,931 how to get out of this time loop before he does. 706 00:33:33,965 --> 00:33:36,635 The real time travel machine, is your brain. 707 00:33:36,668 --> 00:33:39,137 In here, we're constantly recoiling 708 00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:43,207 through different versions of ourselves, memories, 709 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,609 and daydreams, alternate paths, 710 00:33:45,642 --> 00:33:47,611 where we might end up somewhere different. 711 00:33:47,644 --> 00:33:49,980 Do you ever have d�j� vu, Mrs. Lancaster? 712 00:33:50,014 --> 00:33:52,183 I don't think so, but I could check with the kitchen? 713 00:33:52,216 --> 00:33:56,187 And this is what the time travel story crystallizes for us. 714 00:33:56,219 --> 00:33:58,022 It's a model of consciousness, 715 00:33:58,056 --> 00:34:01,560 which is constantly reeling with ultimate freedom through time, 716 00:34:01,592 --> 00:34:06,098 and then finding itself stuck, once again, in the real world. 717 00:34:07,765 --> 00:34:09,701 In the first stretch of "Groundhog Day," 718 00:34:09,734 --> 00:34:12,103 Bill Murray knows everything that's gonna happen to him, 719 00:34:12,136 --> 00:34:14,573 he can make that work to his advantage. 720 00:34:14,605 --> 00:34:16,841 And he does it in the way an adolescent would, 721 00:34:16,873 --> 00:34:21,111 just having fun and also becoming kind of sociopathic. 722 00:34:21,145 --> 00:34:22,714 You don't really care about the other people. 723 00:34:22,746 --> 00:34:25,116 They are objects in your life. 724 00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:27,252 And then it moves on to a depression 725 00:34:27,284 --> 00:34:29,853 where he finally decides to kill himself. 726 00:34:29,886 --> 00:34:34,359 And he finds that he cannot even do that. 727 00:34:34,391 --> 00:34:35,926 This is Tom, he worked in the coal mine 728 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,128 until they closed it down. 729 00:34:37,161 --> 00:34:39,130 This is where he, for the first time 730 00:34:39,163 --> 00:34:41,866 starts to notice other people, 731 00:34:41,899 --> 00:34:45,002 and realizes that they have lives, too, 732 00:34:45,036 --> 00:34:47,105 and that he's part of a community 733 00:34:47,138 --> 00:34:49,274 and by seeing himself differently, 734 00:34:49,306 --> 00:34:52,676 he actually opens up a whole new world to himself. 735 00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:56,715 Hello, father, let's get you someplace warm. 736 00:34:56,748 --> 00:35:00,051 The wonderful thing about being stuck in a time loop, 737 00:35:00,083 --> 00:35:02,152 it makes us look at our lives in a fresh way 738 00:35:02,185 --> 00:35:04,221 which is one of the great things that movies can do, 739 00:35:04,254 --> 00:35:05,756 and especially science fiction, 740 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:08,293 because it can so immediately place you 741 00:35:08,326 --> 00:35:11,396 in a different time and place. 742 00:35:11,429 --> 00:35:13,398 Maybe we all do need a time travel movie 743 00:35:13,431 --> 00:35:15,033 to make us a better version of ourselves, 744 00:35:15,065 --> 00:35:18,703 but I hope that we're not stuck as long as he is. 745 00:35:18,736 --> 00:35:21,739 Anything different is good. 746 00:35:22,367 --> 00:35:23,869 My name is Doctor Who. 747 00:35:23,901 --> 00:35:25,271 It's not, is it? 748 00:35:25,304 --> 00:35:26,671 I like it. 749 00:35:26,704 --> 00:35:28,373 You don't know it yet. 750 00:35:28,407 --> 00:35:31,577 But in a short time, you will trust me with your life. 751 00:35:31,610 --> 00:35:35,948 "Doctor Who" is a very British, slightly eccentric 752 00:35:35,981 --> 00:35:37,749 extraordinary series 753 00:35:37,782 --> 00:35:39,918 that's been running for more than 50 years now. 754 00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:44,722 And it involves a charming, peculiar Time Lord. 755 00:35:44,755 --> 00:35:49,295 We're time travelers. We tread softly. 756 00:35:49,327 --> 00:35:51,764 He's an alien who has come down to protect us 757 00:35:51,796 --> 00:35:54,733 from the rest of the universe by traveling through time 758 00:35:54,766 --> 00:35:57,468 and by interacting with real historical events 759 00:35:57,501 --> 00:35:59,505 in both the past and the future. 760 00:35:59,537 --> 00:36:00,972 We're unarmed. 761 00:36:01,005 --> 00:36:04,442 You wouldn't open fire on an unarmed civilians would you? 762 00:36:04,476 --> 00:36:07,345 It wouldn't be the first time. 763 00:36:07,378 --> 00:36:09,314 Chuggles, now! 764 00:36:11,682 --> 00:36:14,585 I love "Doctor Who." 765 00:36:14,619 --> 00:36:17,323 Over the past 50 years there have been a total 766 00:36:17,356 --> 00:36:18,691 of 12 Doctor Whos. 767 00:36:18,724 --> 00:36:21,427 Each new performer brings his own thing to it. 768 00:36:21,459 --> 00:36:23,795 I've seen literally every episode of "Doctor Who" 769 00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:26,865 that's ever been made from "An Unearthly Child," 770 00:36:26,898 --> 00:36:28,867 which was made in 1963, 771 00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:33,572 all the way up to the current Peter Capaldi Doctor Whos. 772 00:36:33,604 --> 00:36:36,775 You are the dark side, you are an enemy of the Daleks. 773 00:36:36,807 --> 00:36:38,343 Yes, I am. 774 00:36:38,376 --> 00:36:40,912 Exterminate! 775 00:36:40,945 --> 00:36:42,547 I grew up with the show. 776 00:36:42,581 --> 00:36:45,950 I lived in a tenement in Glasgow in Scotland, 777 00:36:45,983 --> 00:36:49,887 and through these flickering little blue images 778 00:36:49,921 --> 00:36:54,393 I'd be taken to other planets with strange creatures 779 00:36:54,425 --> 00:36:56,994 with wonderful imaginative designs. 780 00:36:57,028 --> 00:37:00,099 Do you think you're the first to try and kill me? 781 00:37:00,131 --> 00:37:03,568 And also there has always been a kind of B-movie element 782 00:37:03,601 --> 00:37:06,904 to it, which I've always loved. 783 00:37:06,938 --> 00:37:09,874 Is everything out here evil? Hardly anything is evil. 784 00:37:09,907 --> 00:37:11,610 But most things are hungry. 785 00:37:11,642 --> 00:37:13,778 Hunger looks very like evil from the wrong end of the cutlery 786 00:37:13,811 --> 00:37:16,914 or do you think that your bacon sandwich loves you back? 787 00:37:16,947 --> 00:37:19,050 I think one of the things that's appealing 788 00:37:19,084 --> 00:37:21,987 about "Doctor Who," is there's a tradition of English humor 789 00:37:22,019 --> 00:37:25,023 which suggests that the future is all a joke. 790 00:37:25,055 --> 00:37:26,624 He's a Time Lord, yes. 791 00:37:26,657 --> 00:37:28,393 And he can travel back and forth in time, 792 00:37:28,427 --> 00:37:30,461 and he does it in absurd ways. 793 00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:34,866 Time And Relative Dimension In Space. 794 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:38,470 TARDIS for short. 795 00:37:38,503 --> 00:37:40,472 The Doctor's time machine, the TARDIS, 796 00:37:40,505 --> 00:37:44,510 is one of the best ever because it invokes 797 00:37:44,543 --> 00:37:47,412 the playing with physics 798 00:37:47,445 --> 00:37:50,548 that is going to be necessary to travel through time and space 799 00:37:50,581 --> 00:37:53,684 because his machine is bigger on the inside 800 00:37:53,717 --> 00:37:55,586 than it is on the outside. 801 00:37:55,619 --> 00:37:58,556 So your box can move. 802 00:37:58,590 --> 00:38:00,726 We can go anywhere we like. 803 00:38:00,758 --> 00:38:02,660 He always has a human companion. 804 00:38:02,693 --> 00:38:03,961 And he brings that companion 805 00:38:03,994 --> 00:38:05,797 along with him on his adventures. 806 00:38:05,831 --> 00:38:08,633 -Where are we? -The end of the road. 807 00:38:08,666 --> 00:38:10,101 The last planet. 808 00:38:10,135 --> 00:38:13,505 He seems to have a special place in his heart for humans. 809 00:38:13,537 --> 00:38:16,175 Picking individual ordinary people 810 00:38:16,208 --> 00:38:19,510 and showing them all of time and space 811 00:38:19,543 --> 00:38:22,547 and giving them a broader view on life. 812 00:38:22,581 --> 00:38:24,816 He's the Doctor. What do doctors do? 813 00:38:24,849 --> 00:38:27,853 They heal sick situations, sick people. 814 00:38:27,885 --> 00:38:29,654 But why do you have to destroy? 815 00:38:29,688 --> 00:38:30,856 Can't you use your brains? 816 00:38:30,889 --> 00:38:33,592 Only one race can survive. 817 00:38:33,624 --> 00:38:36,994 This senseless evil killing. 818 00:38:37,028 --> 00:38:40,899 The first actor, the wonderful William Hartnell, became ill 819 00:38:40,932 --> 00:38:42,801 and couldn't carry on with the show. 820 00:38:42,834 --> 00:38:45,504 So they came up with this rather brilliant idea, 821 00:38:45,537 --> 00:38:51,709 which is that the Doctor has the ability to reconstitute himself. 822 00:38:58,617 --> 00:39:00,986 This has allowed this show to last 823 00:39:01,019 --> 00:39:05,524 because we change the lead actor every three or four years, 824 00:39:05,557 --> 00:39:09,261 which no other show does. 825 00:39:09,293 --> 00:39:13,798 It has all these other levels of philosophical 826 00:39:13,831 --> 00:39:16,701 and reflective nature 827 00:39:16,735 --> 00:39:21,039 that make it very, very rich. 828 00:39:24,709 --> 00:39:27,145 People always ask me what is it about the show 829 00:39:27,177 --> 00:39:29,914 that appeals so broadly? 830 00:39:29,947 --> 00:39:32,049 The answer I would like to give 831 00:39:32,083 --> 00:39:34,119 and which I'm discouraged from giving, 832 00:39:34,151 --> 00:39:39,023 because it is not useful in the promotion of a brand, 833 00:39:39,057 --> 00:39:41,793 is that it's about death. 834 00:39:41,825 --> 00:39:46,264 And it has a very, very powerful death motif in it. 835 00:39:46,298 --> 00:39:49,066 Which is that the central character dies. 836 00:39:49,099 --> 00:39:52,570 Doctor, let it go. 837 00:39:55,307 --> 00:39:57,309 Time enough. 838 00:39:57,342 --> 00:40:01,046 And I think that is one of its most potent mysteries. 839 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:02,948 Because somewhere in that, 840 00:40:02,981 --> 00:40:05,950 people see that that's what happens in life. 841 00:40:05,983 --> 00:40:11,622 You have loved ones, and then they go, 842 00:40:11,655 --> 00:40:14,692 but you must carry on. 843 00:40:14,726 --> 00:40:18,130 There are a lot of ways in which time travel stories 844 00:40:18,162 --> 00:40:21,833 sneakily are about eluding death. 845 00:40:21,865 --> 00:40:23,701 Time is what kills us, after all. 846 00:40:23,735 --> 00:40:26,637 Time is a bastard. 847 00:40:32,242 --> 00:40:34,979 There's something that speaks to our souls about time travel 848 00:40:35,012 --> 00:40:39,016 where there's a fatalism involved 849 00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:40,752 that is reassuring somehow. 850 00:40:40,784 --> 00:40:42,687 Right. Because it tells you that the mistakes 851 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,590 were always gonna happen. Yeah. 852 00:40:44,622 --> 00:40:46,191 I mean, one of the fascinating things... 853 00:40:46,224 --> 00:40:48,293 I was explaining to my kids the other day... 854 00:40:48,325 --> 00:40:50,595 That if you look at the idea of a telescope. 855 00:40:50,628 --> 00:40:52,063 Telescope is a way of looking back in time, 856 00:40:52,097 --> 00:40:53,365 and not just space. It's a time machine. 857 00:40:53,398 --> 00:40:54,466 It's a time machine. 858 00:40:54,499 --> 00:40:56,602 And you look at the smallest star, the further away, 859 00:40:56,635 --> 00:40:58,170 the further back in time you're looking. 860 00:40:58,202 --> 00:41:00,271 And theoretically you could make more 861 00:41:00,305 --> 00:41:01,907 and more powerful telescopes, 862 00:41:01,939 --> 00:41:04,041 and you can look further and further back in time. 863 00:41:04,075 --> 00:41:06,278 It's just a mind-boggling concept. 864 00:41:06,311 --> 00:41:08,180 Theoretically the sun could have gone out 865 00:41:08,213 --> 00:41:10,749 seven and a half minutes ago and we just don't know yet 866 00:41:10,782 --> 00:41:12,249 'cause it takes light a while to get here. 867 00:41:12,282 --> 00:41:14,385 Exactly. Let's hope not. 868 00:41:14,418 --> 00:41:16,887 But that idea of looking back in time 869 00:41:16,921 --> 00:41:18,223 as you look out into the world, 870 00:41:18,255 --> 00:41:20,257 the fact that everything we see in this room 871 00:41:20,291 --> 00:41:22,760 when you look around, you're looking back in time. 872 00:41:22,793 --> 00:41:26,297 I think the potential is limitless 873 00:41:26,331 --> 00:41:27,966 for time travel stories... 874 00:41:27,999 --> 00:41:29,134 Chris, thanks for doing this. 875 00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:30,401 No, thank you for having me. 876 00:41:30,434 --> 00:41:32,903 -It's exciting to talk about. -Okay. Good. 877 00:41:32,936 --> 00:41:34,072 All right, give us a cut then. 878 00:41:34,104 --> 00:41:36,240 I'll give you a cut. Done. 879 00:41:36,273 --> 00:41:37,742 Going home. Done. 69296

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