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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:13,447 "I may not be the fastest. 2 00:00:13,481 --> 00:00:15,749 "I may not be the tallest or the strongest. 3 00:00:15,783 --> 00:00:18,519 "I may not be the best or the brightest. 4 00:00:18,552 --> 00:00:21,289 "But one thing I can do better than anyone else, 5 00:00:21,322 --> 00:00:25,626 that is to be me," which is a poem that you wrote. 6 00:00:25,659 --> 00:00:28,462 Well, finally that's all you can do, isn't it? 7 00:00:28,496 --> 00:00:30,398 You can do a good job of doing that. 8 00:00:30,431 --> 00:00:33,634 Do a good job of being me, being yourself. 9 00:00:34,868 --> 00:00:37,171 That's really all I ask of myself. 10 00:00:38,506 --> 00:00:40,408 Because as I said, I wasn't the fastest, 11 00:00:40,441 --> 00:00:43,377 and I wasn't the brightest, and whatever, you know. 12 00:01:46,374 --> 00:01:48,876 This morning we are remembering a beloved actor 13 00:01:48,909 --> 00:01:53,747 who became an enduring fixture in pop culture, Leonard Nimoy. 14 00:01:53,781 --> 00:01:54,824 - Leonard Nimoy. - Leonard Nimoy. 15 00:01:54,848 --> 00:01:56,684 Leonard Nimoy. 16 00:01:56,717 --> 00:01:58,619 - Leonard Nimoy. - Leonard Nimoy. 17 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:01,355 Leonard Nimoy has died at the age of 83. 18 00:02:01,389 --> 00:02:04,792 When word came out today that actor Leonard Nimoy had died, 19 00:02:04,825 --> 00:02:08,829 the President said, "I loved Spock." 20 00:02:08,862 --> 00:02:14,568 I have been and always shall be... your friend. 21 00:02:20,674 --> 00:02:23,644 Live long... 22 00:02:23,677 --> 00:02:25,746 and prosper. 23 00:02:39,793 --> 00:02:41,229 Listen to this. 24 00:02:41,262 --> 00:02:43,264 I just received an email from Wil Wheaton. 25 00:02:43,297 --> 00:02:46,400 Leonard Nimoy's son is working on a documentary 26 00:02:46,434 --> 00:02:48,802 that he started with his father before he passed away. 27 00:02:48,836 --> 00:02:51,605 It's about Mr. Spock and his impact on our culture. 28 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,344 "For the Love of Spock," Adam Nimoy. Mark. 29 00:02:56,377 --> 00:02:57,754 We wanted to do something to celebrate 30 00:02:57,778 --> 00:02:59,280 the 50th anniversary of "Star Trek" 31 00:02:59,313 --> 00:03:01,615 which was coming up in 2016. 32 00:03:01,649 --> 00:03:04,585 And a documentary about Spock had never really been produced before. 33 00:03:11,259 --> 00:03:12,760 I thought it was an interesting idea 34 00:03:12,793 --> 00:03:14,962 to create a film just focused on Spock, 35 00:03:14,995 --> 00:03:16,797 who he is, how he came about, 36 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:19,800 and why he has continued to resonate for 50 years, 37 00:03:19,833 --> 00:03:22,570 all as a part of the celebration 38 00:03:22,603 --> 00:03:25,239 of the anniversary of "The Original Series." 39 00:03:25,273 --> 00:03:28,476 And the minute I suggested this to Dad, he was in. 40 00:03:45,726 --> 00:03:50,264 Although my father had a long and prosperous life and hadn't smoked in years, 41 00:03:50,298 --> 00:03:53,267 he died from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 42 00:03:53,301 --> 00:03:55,669 from over 30 years of cigarette smoking. 43 00:03:59,873 --> 00:04:01,742 After Dad died, it became clear 44 00:04:01,775 --> 00:04:03,677 that the film needed to include his life 45 00:04:03,711 --> 00:04:05,979 as well as the life of Mr. Spock. 46 00:04:06,013 --> 00:04:08,449 And that in turn led me on a journey of discovery 47 00:04:08,482 --> 00:04:11,452 about my relationship with my father. 48 00:04:13,787 --> 00:04:15,289 Well, I'm from Boston originally. 49 00:04:15,323 --> 00:04:19,893 I've been in Los Angeles working in films off and on for about 17 years. 50 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:22,630 I started acting when I was a little boy, about eight years old 51 00:04:22,663 --> 00:04:24,598 in neighborhood settlement houses in Boston. 52 00:04:24,632 --> 00:04:26,300 And kind of grew up into it. 53 00:04:26,334 --> 00:04:27,677 I just kept doing it because I liked it. 54 00:04:27,701 --> 00:04:29,646 And then suddenly just decided that I liked it enough 55 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:30,714 to want to make a career of it. 56 00:04:30,738 --> 00:04:33,006 So I came to California in 1949 57 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,409 and started acting in films then. 58 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:57,431 Now my parents were extremely diligent, responsible, practical people. 59 00:04:57,465 --> 00:04:59,333 I grew up during the Depression. 60 00:04:59,367 --> 00:05:00,568 When I told them at age 17 61 00:05:00,601 --> 00:05:03,537 that I was going to study drama at the Pasadena Playhouse 62 00:05:03,571 --> 00:05:06,840 and become an actor, they were grief stricken. 63 00:05:06,874 --> 00:05:10,878 They tried to dissuade me by refusing to give me the tuition, saying, 64 00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:14,081 "You'll have to do it without any help from us." 65 00:05:14,114 --> 00:05:18,352 They were totally against it... 66 00:05:18,386 --> 00:05:20,488 because they were certainly... 67 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:24,392 Hoped he would work into another profession of some kind. 68 00:05:24,425 --> 00:05:25,826 But he wasn't suited for all that. 69 00:05:25,859 --> 00:05:27,795 He wanted to do what he wanted to do. 70 00:05:27,828 --> 00:05:29,497 Being stubborn, 71 00:05:29,530 --> 00:05:32,099 I saved some money by selling vacuum cleaners. 72 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:35,636 I bought a train ticket, and I headed west to California. 73 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:37,146 So I'm walking down the streets of Pasadena 74 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:39,773 on a hot September day, sweat pouring. 75 00:05:39,807 --> 00:05:44,678 I'm wearing a wool suit, a hand-painted tie, and suede shoes. 76 00:05:44,712 --> 00:05:46,456 I must have looked like somebody that just arrived 77 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,450 from off the boat from Transylvania. 78 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:56,857 My mom was an aspiring actress, 79 00:05:56,890 --> 00:06:01,094 and she met my dad backstage at a theater in Hollywood. 80 00:06:01,128 --> 00:06:03,764 But she gave all that up to become a housewife. 81 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:09,069 My sister was born '55. 82 00:06:09,102 --> 00:06:10,938 My dad was in the service then. 83 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:14,808 Then my parents came back to Los Angeles, 84 00:06:14,842 --> 00:06:17,511 and I was born in '56. 85 00:06:20,147 --> 00:06:23,050 My mother told me that when my sister Julie and I were young, 86 00:06:23,083 --> 00:06:26,920 my father was very involved in helping her take care of us. 87 00:06:31,191 --> 00:06:34,728 * Now and then when we fall in place * 88 00:06:34,762 --> 00:06:37,431 * It makes me feel all right 89 00:06:37,465 --> 00:06:39,099 * Makes me feel all right 90 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:42,636 * Back and forth we will win this race * 91 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:46,507 * To find out what it's like 92 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:51,545 * In time, I'll be all right 93 00:06:53,947 --> 00:07:00,554 * In time, I'll be just fine 94 00:07:01,989 --> 00:07:05,759 * Now and then when we fall in place * 95 00:07:05,793 --> 00:07:08,061 * It makes me feel all right 96 00:07:08,095 --> 00:07:09,763 One of my favorite memories of my dad was 97 00:07:09,797 --> 00:07:12,666 he hustled his ass during the early '60s, 98 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:13,634 doing all kinds of jobs. 99 00:07:13,667 --> 00:07:15,869 He was servicing fish tanks. 100 00:07:15,903 --> 00:07:17,805 He set them up in doctors' offices. 101 00:07:17,838 --> 00:07:20,173 It was like sort of a fad in the '60s, 102 00:07:20,207 --> 00:07:22,242 and Dad had a corner on that market. 103 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:24,077 We knew that dad sold freezers. 104 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:25,713 You know, he worked in a pet store. 105 00:07:25,746 --> 00:07:27,548 He drove a cab. 106 00:07:27,581 --> 00:07:30,250 He took care of aquariums. 107 00:07:30,283 --> 00:07:32,986 He had vending machines at one point, 108 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:36,189 so he had all these little trinkets kept in boxes. 109 00:07:36,223 --> 00:07:39,226 He worked at Wil Wright's Ice Cream Parlor. 110 00:07:39,259 --> 00:07:41,194 He was managing an apartment building. 111 00:07:41,228 --> 00:07:42,563 He was not around. 112 00:07:42,596 --> 00:07:44,264 And even when Dad was at home, 113 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:47,067 it was all these home improvement projects. 114 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:48,936 My father was truly a renaissance man. 115 00:07:48,969 --> 00:07:50,938 He could do just about anything. 116 00:07:50,971 --> 00:07:55,208 Like build that massive brick wall in our backyard. 117 00:07:55,242 --> 00:07:58,011 He was trying so hard to get this career going, 118 00:07:58,045 --> 00:08:01,148 to make his life, to do what he wanted to do, 119 00:08:01,181 --> 00:08:03,751 which was be in the arts, be an actor. 120 00:08:03,784 --> 00:08:06,286 One of my idols was Lon Chaney, 121 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:09,156 who was called the man of a thousand faces in movies, 122 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:11,291 because he'd change characters so drastically 123 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:13,226 from one performance to another. 124 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:15,028 And I consider myself that kind of a person. 125 00:08:15,062 --> 00:08:16,973 I go to the makeup department or the wardrobe department, 126 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:19,266 and get something together and find a character. 127 00:08:46,259 --> 00:08:48,896 - What you looking at? - Nothing. 128 00:08:48,929 --> 00:08:50,497 - What's that for? - For nothing. 129 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:53,801 Next time you wanna look at me, line forms to the right. Two bits admission. 130 00:08:53,834 --> 00:08:57,070 If they see water in the desert where there is no water, 131 00:08:57,104 --> 00:08:59,206 it's their eyes that lie, not my mouth. 132 00:08:59,239 --> 00:09:01,909 Just having any of those coins in your possession 133 00:09:01,942 --> 00:09:04,812 is liable to lead you to a lot more trouble than you bargain for. 134 00:09:04,845 --> 00:09:07,214 Have no fear from me, Marshal. 135 00:09:07,247 --> 00:09:09,617 No man kills the bee. 136 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:11,351 He only wants to follow him to the honey. 137 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:14,955 He was a fine man. Hasn't had a decent break in 20 years. 138 00:09:14,988 --> 00:09:16,199 Now he's been built up a little bit. 139 00:09:16,223 --> 00:09:17,567 He's got a little dignity, a little stature. 140 00:09:17,591 --> 00:09:20,193 You're not going to deny he was a good Marine and a good officer. 141 00:09:20,227 --> 00:09:21,294 No, no, he was both. 142 00:09:21,328 --> 00:09:23,597 Then why crucify him? 143 00:09:23,631 --> 00:09:25,032 You don't get it, do you, Sanders? 144 00:09:25,065 --> 00:09:27,000 I don't have any choice. 145 00:09:27,034 --> 00:09:28,969 - Hello? - I'm not going to let you do it. 146 00:09:29,002 --> 00:09:30,503 It's for you, Lieutenant. 147 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:33,807 I did this job in an episode of "The Lieutenant" series. 148 00:09:33,841 --> 00:09:36,677 A few weeks after I finished the job, my agent called me and said, 149 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:39,212 "Gene Roddenberry saw the footage, 150 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:42,215 "was interested in you, liked what you did, 151 00:09:42,249 --> 00:09:44,351 "and said that he has in mind for you a role 152 00:09:44,384 --> 00:09:47,888 in a pilot that he's developing for a science fiction series." 153 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:50,223 Period. 154 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:52,225 I really didn't give it a lot of thought. 155 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:55,295 You hear that kind of thing, and you're a long way from getting a job. 156 00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:58,231 What about some of the characters on the show? 157 00:09:58,265 --> 00:10:00,968 Did you create them with certain actors in mind? 158 00:10:01,001 --> 00:10:02,703 Leonard Nimoy was the one actor 159 00:10:02,736 --> 00:10:03,837 I definitely had in mind. 160 00:10:03,871 --> 00:10:05,706 And I thought to myself, 161 00:10:05,739 --> 00:10:09,342 "If I ever do this science fiction that I want to do, 162 00:10:09,376 --> 00:10:10,811 "he'd make a great alien. 163 00:10:10,844 --> 00:10:14,081 And with those cheekbones, some sort of a pointed ear might go well." 164 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:15,949 I simply made one phone call to Leonard, 165 00:10:15,983 --> 00:10:18,018 and he came in, and that was it. 166 00:10:18,051 --> 00:10:22,022 So I went to this meeting expecting to be auditioned, 167 00:10:22,055 --> 00:10:25,926 or to read for him, or... whatever. 168 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:29,296 He was very congenial and said, "Let's take a walk." 169 00:10:29,329 --> 00:10:32,866 And he walked me over to the scenic design department. 170 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:37,070 He showed me the plans of the sets that were being built, 171 00:10:37,104 --> 00:10:38,939 introduced me to the scenic designer. 172 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:40,049 Walked me over to the prop department. 173 00:10:40,073 --> 00:10:43,110 Showed me some of the props that were being made. 174 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,420 Wardrobe department, same thing. 175 00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:46,013 "Here's some sketches of the clothes." 176 00:10:46,046 --> 00:10:47,915 I thought, "This is interesting." 177 00:10:47,948 --> 00:10:51,118 "It's like he's telling me I'm doing this job. 178 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:54,421 If I keep my mouth shut, I might have a job here," you know? 179 00:10:54,454 --> 00:10:58,726 Prior to "Star Trek," I never had a job that lasted longer than two weeks 180 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,428 in any television show or movie, never. Two weeks. 181 00:11:03,296 --> 00:11:05,332 Mr. Spock here. We're intercepting... 182 00:11:05,365 --> 00:11:08,101 I didn't have a cool look in mind at first. 183 00:11:08,135 --> 00:11:12,172 I had this jagged haircut and bushy eyebrows, 184 00:11:12,205 --> 00:11:15,943 and we went through a struggle with the ears. 185 00:11:15,976 --> 00:11:17,778 The studio had contracted with a company 186 00:11:17,811 --> 00:11:19,713 to do special effects for the show. 187 00:11:19,747 --> 00:11:21,715 Not film special effects, 188 00:11:21,749 --> 00:11:25,886 but items like suits for creatures, 189 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:28,055 creature outfits, and that kind of thing. 190 00:11:28,088 --> 00:11:31,992 And included in the contract was the ears. 191 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:32,993 They were supposed to do the ears. 192 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:35,729 Now, they were very good at creating creatures, 193 00:11:35,763 --> 00:11:39,166 and we used them throughout the series, this particular company. 194 00:11:39,199 --> 00:11:41,268 But they were not really specialists 195 00:11:41,301 --> 00:11:44,037 in the very fine, delicate kind of appliance work 196 00:11:44,071 --> 00:11:46,506 that's necessary to add something to a person's features 197 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:49,309 and make it really look like it's part of that person. 198 00:11:49,342 --> 00:11:52,780 We came right down within about three or four days of shooting the series, 199 00:11:52,813 --> 00:11:54,815 and I said to Gene Roddenberry, 200 00:11:54,848 --> 00:11:58,051 "This is not going to work, and maybe we'd just better forget about the ears." 201 00:11:58,085 --> 00:12:01,054 Well, he insisted he wanted the ears to be part of the character. 202 00:12:01,088 --> 00:12:04,324 And he said, "You try it, and let's work it out. Let's solve the problem." 203 00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:06,960 "And at the end of 13 shows if you're not satisfied with the ears, 204 00:12:06,994 --> 00:12:09,963 I'll write a script where Spock gets an ear job." 205 00:12:09,997 --> 00:12:12,432 So we went ahead and worked on the problem, 206 00:12:12,465 --> 00:12:14,835 and Fred Phillips, who was the actual makeup man 207 00:12:14,868 --> 00:12:17,304 who was going to do my makeup each day on the series, 208 00:12:17,337 --> 00:12:19,106 knew what the problem was. 209 00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:20,817 And a couple of days before we started shooting, 210 00:12:20,841 --> 00:12:22,943 he called in an appliance specialist, 211 00:12:22,976 --> 00:12:24,945 and we very quickly went to him. 212 00:12:24,978 --> 00:12:26,446 Got the ears done in about 24 hours. 213 00:12:26,479 --> 00:12:30,350 And they were ready, and they were perfect, and that solved the problem. 214 00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:31,952 Freddie Phillips always said 215 00:12:31,985 --> 00:12:34,955 that Leonard Nimoy reported for work at 6:30 a.m., 216 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:39,827 and Mr. Spock could always be counted on to arrive somewhere around 7:15. 217 00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:08,856 Definitely something out there, Captain, headed this way. 218 00:13:08,889 --> 00:13:11,091 Our tests indicate the planet's surface 219 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:13,827 without considerably more vegetation or some animals, 220 00:13:13,861 --> 00:13:15,896 simply too barren to support life. 221 00:13:15,929 --> 00:13:17,898 The first time, it did not sell. 222 00:13:17,931 --> 00:13:19,867 But, uh, NBC... 223 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:22,836 NBC thought it was too "cerebral" was the term they used. 224 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:27,040 The network found the first pilot too "cerebral," they said. 225 00:13:27,074 --> 00:13:29,910 Not a straight lined story enough. 226 00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:34,281 And unusual in that they decided to try a second pilot. 227 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:36,616 NBC told Gene to fire 228 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:39,486 almost the entire cast, including me. 229 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:43,924 Well, Gene felt very strongly that the bulk of the character that I was to portray, 230 00:13:43,957 --> 00:13:45,959 that every time I was on screen 231 00:13:45,993 --> 00:13:48,528 you'd be reminded that we have a mixed crew. 232 00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:50,630 So he stuck to his guns fortunately for me. 233 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:53,166 The original pilot even had a different captain, 234 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,168 Jeff Hunter. 235 00:13:55,202 --> 00:13:58,405 The only actor that stayed over 236 00:13:58,438 --> 00:13:59,907 was Leonard Nimoy. 237 00:14:07,247 --> 00:14:08,481 And then, I had a shock. 238 00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:11,384 I opened up my mail, and here was a, here was a pamphlet 239 00:14:11,418 --> 00:14:15,288 from the NBC Sales and Promotion Department. 240 00:14:15,322 --> 00:14:17,490 And it was a pamphlet about "Star Trek," 241 00:14:17,524 --> 00:14:19,168 this new series that was going to be on the air 242 00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:20,427 coming in the fall, 243 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:23,931 I saw this photograph of myself as Spock, 244 00:14:23,964 --> 00:14:24,998 and it didn't look right. 245 00:14:25,032 --> 00:14:28,468 Something struck me as strange. 246 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,503 And the closer I looked, the more I realized that 247 00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:33,106 they had straightened out my eyebrows, made them look normal, 248 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:35,375 and they had taken off the tips off the ears. 249 00:14:36,343 --> 00:14:38,478 The network said, 250 00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:42,115 "We are very dependent on the numbers in the Bible Belt, 251 00:14:42,149 --> 00:14:44,217 "and they will not accept in their homes a character 252 00:14:44,251 --> 00:14:45,986 who looks devilish with these pointed ears." 253 00:14:46,019 --> 00:14:49,322 Are you casting me in the role of Satan? 254 00:14:49,356 --> 00:14:50,290 Not at all, Captain. 255 00:14:50,323 --> 00:14:52,525 Is there anyone on this ship 256 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:57,030 who even remotely... looks like Satan? 257 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,570 I am not aware of anyone who fits that description, Captain. 258 00:15:03,603 --> 00:15:05,572 No, Mr. Spock, I didn't think you were. 259 00:15:10,677 --> 00:15:12,612 Dr. Dehner feels he isn't that dangerous. 260 00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:14,557 What makes you right, and a trained psychiatrist wrong? 261 00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:17,317 Because she feels. I don't. 262 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:18,918 All I know is logic. 263 00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:22,589 In my opinion, we'd be lucky if we can repair this ship and get away in time. 264 00:15:22,622 --> 00:15:24,424 One of the reasons for the shift 265 00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:26,326 in the Spock character when you came on-board 266 00:15:26,359 --> 00:15:28,171 was because when I was working with Jeffrey Hunter... 267 00:15:28,195 --> 00:15:30,297 Jeffrey Hunter was a very internalized actor. 268 00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:32,399 Very fine actor. This was his style of work. 269 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:35,068 There's an old joke about two actors preparing to play a scene. 270 00:15:35,102 --> 00:15:37,346 And one says to the other, "What are you going to play in this scene?" 271 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:38,972 And the one says, "I'm playing nothing." 272 00:15:39,006 --> 00:15:40,507 The other one says, "No, no, no", 273 00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:41,985 - you can't play nothing. I'm playing nothing." 274 00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:45,712 So here's Jeffrey Hunter playing this quiet, internalized performance, 275 00:15:45,745 --> 00:15:47,347 Ah! 276 00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:50,283 And I felt the need to help drive something in opposition to it. 277 00:15:50,317 --> 00:15:51,818 Right, right. 278 00:15:51,851 --> 00:15:54,154 - Otherwise, we're both playing nothing. - -Right. 279 00:15:54,187 --> 00:15:56,223 And when you came on-board with your energy, 280 00:15:56,256 --> 00:15:58,325 and a sense of humor, and a twinkle in the eye, 281 00:15:58,358 --> 00:16:02,129 I was able to then become the cooler Spock. 282 00:16:02,162 --> 00:16:06,433 Has it occurred to you that there's a certain... inefficiency 283 00:16:06,466 --> 00:16:10,237 in constantly questioning me on things you've already made up your mind about? 284 00:16:10,270 --> 00:16:13,073 It gives me emotional security. 285 00:16:13,106 --> 00:16:20,047 Leonard bouncing off of me could now dramatically be internal 286 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,481 allowing me to be external, 287 00:16:21,514 --> 00:16:26,786 and the two forces made an interesting combination. 288 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:30,357 I prefer the concrete, the graspable, the provable. 289 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:33,760 You'd make a splendid computer, Mr. Spock. 290 00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:36,363 That is very kind of you, Captain. 291 00:16:36,396 --> 00:16:37,806 You know, I don't know if I had played Kirk 292 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:41,634 that it would have dawned on me to have a sense of humor with Spock. 293 00:16:41,668 --> 00:16:43,012 I don't know that I would have thought of that, 294 00:16:43,036 --> 00:16:47,807 but Shatner's take on it was, "I can fuck with Spock." 295 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,509 I mean, you know... 296 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:51,511 Without being offensive to the character. 297 00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:53,646 "I can play with him." 298 00:16:56,549 --> 00:16:59,452 Certain you don't know what irritation is? 299 00:16:59,486 --> 00:17:02,189 The fact one of my ancestors married a human female... 300 00:17:02,222 --> 00:17:05,392 Terrible having bad blood like that. 301 00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:09,196 Those two characters are the yin and yang. 302 00:17:09,229 --> 00:17:11,631 They are that in front of the camera, 303 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:14,501 and it works beautifully, magnificently. 304 00:17:17,337 --> 00:17:20,073 There must be some intelligent form of life on Thasus. 305 00:17:20,107 --> 00:17:22,109 He could not possibly have survived alone. 306 00:17:22,142 --> 00:17:24,620 The ship's food concentrates would have been exhausted in a year or so. 307 00:17:24,644 --> 00:17:27,156 By which time he would have been eating fruits, vegetables, and nuts. 308 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:29,192 Probes of Thasus indicate very little edible plant life. 309 00:17:29,216 --> 00:17:30,693 And probes have been known to be wrong. 310 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:34,487 Doctor, are you speaking scientifically or emotionally? 311 00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:38,858 I thought the character McCoy played by D. Kelley 312 00:17:38,891 --> 00:17:42,329 made that, as the fans call it, the triumvirate, 313 00:17:42,362 --> 00:17:46,266 because he was the common man. 314 00:17:46,299 --> 00:17:47,867 Certainly a brilliant doctor, 315 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:52,539 but he had all of the irritations, frustrations, 316 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:55,508 the reactions that most people would have. 317 00:17:55,542 --> 00:17:58,578 I for one could use a good non-reconstituted meal. 318 00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:00,813 Doctor, you are a sensualist. 319 00:18:00,847 --> 00:18:03,150 You bet your pointed ears I am. 320 00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:05,218 It's actually an interesting sort of triumvirate 321 00:18:05,252 --> 00:18:08,155 between Spock, Bones, and Kirk. 322 00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:11,191 And for Kirk, Spock is his... 323 00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:13,836 You know, they're like the devil and the angel on his shoulder, really. 324 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:17,730 Spock is his intelligence, and his logic, and his sense, 325 00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:20,500 and you know, McCoy is more his sort of slightly more emotional, 326 00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:23,336 slightly more, you know, knee-jerk kind of side. 327 00:18:23,370 --> 00:18:28,375 The banter between McCoy and Spock was, you know, 328 00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:34,347 often some of the most fun elements in the show 329 00:18:34,381 --> 00:18:35,682 and indeed in the movies. 330 00:18:35,715 --> 00:18:37,850 What's the matter, Spock? 331 00:18:37,884 --> 00:18:40,287 There's something disquieting about these creatures. 332 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,231 I don't know too much about these little Tribbles yet, 333 00:18:42,255 --> 00:18:43,832 but there is one thing that I have discovered. 334 00:18:43,856 --> 00:18:45,592 What is that, doctor? 335 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,461 I like them better than I like you. 336 00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:52,365 Doctor, they do indeed have one redeeming characteristic. 337 00:18:52,399 --> 00:18:54,167 What's that? 338 00:18:54,201 --> 00:18:56,469 They do not talk too much. 339 00:18:56,503 --> 00:18:59,639 When you have the kind of cynical wit of McCoy, 340 00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:03,343 and you have the swagger and braggadocio of Kirk, 341 00:19:03,376 --> 00:19:06,746 and then you have the intellect and cold reason of Spock, 342 00:19:06,779 --> 00:19:10,583 he's like the perfect human being all wrapped up in one. 343 00:19:16,623 --> 00:19:21,728 The following program is brought to you in living color on NBC. 344 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:28,768 That first night of the premiere 345 00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:30,413 we had to actually go to some friends' house, 346 00:19:30,437 --> 00:19:33,840 because they had a color TV, a big console color TV. 347 00:19:33,873 --> 00:19:34,907 We did not. 348 00:19:34,941 --> 00:19:37,544 We had a big console black and white. 349 00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:40,413 Why don't you tell me I'm an attractive young lady 350 00:19:40,447 --> 00:19:43,550 or ask me if I've ever been in love? 351 00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:48,721 Tell me how your planet Vulcan looks on a lazy evening when the moon is full. 352 00:19:51,258 --> 00:19:53,560 Vulcan has no moon, Miss Uhura. 353 00:19:53,593 --> 00:19:57,297 I'm not surprised, Mr. Spock. 354 00:19:57,330 --> 00:20:00,800 Dad in his costume, Vulcan costume, 355 00:20:00,833 --> 00:20:03,336 it was like, "Wow, this is really cool." 356 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:06,773 I remember it was just such an exciting night for us. 357 00:20:06,806 --> 00:20:08,541 This is not Nancy. 358 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,810 If she were Nancy, could she take this? 359 00:20:10,843 --> 00:20:13,813 Stop it! Stop it, Spock! 360 00:20:13,846 --> 00:20:15,248 Stop it! 361 00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:19,551 Do you read? 362 00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:22,589 Frequency open, Mr. Spock. 363 00:20:23,656 --> 00:20:25,425 Spock here, Captain. 364 00:20:33,366 --> 00:20:35,668 Hi, Daddy. 365 00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:37,304 When I came to visit the set... 366 00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:38,614 They started shooting that first season 367 00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:41,641 at the end of May and early June in 1966. 368 00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:43,510 I was nine, almost 10 years old, 369 00:20:43,543 --> 00:20:45,812 and I was off for summer vacation. 370 00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:48,515 And this is why Dad would take me to work with him. 371 00:20:48,548 --> 00:20:49,825 I would get up early in the morning, 372 00:20:49,849 --> 00:20:52,685 and we would drive to Desilu right next to the Paramount lot, 373 00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:56,389 and I'd be there all day. 374 00:20:56,423 --> 00:20:58,901 So I went out to California, and of course, Leonard took care of... 375 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:01,528 I stayed at Leonard's home. 376 00:21:01,561 --> 00:21:05,498 And he said, "Guess what. I've got this new show." 377 00:21:05,532 --> 00:21:06,999 This is 1966. 378 00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:08,877 I said, "What is it?" He said, "It's called 'Star Trek.'" 379 00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:11,571 He said, "You've gotta come on the set." I said, "Of course." 380 00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:13,373 You know, I'm in the theater, 381 00:21:13,406 --> 00:21:15,675 and this is my first time in Hollywood. 382 00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:18,645 And I'm out there, and I walk on the set, 383 00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:19,979 and I see Leonard. 384 00:21:21,047 --> 00:21:24,584 He came out from the dressing room, 385 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,386 and I see this hair. 386 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:29,322 I see these eyebrows up to here. 387 00:21:29,356 --> 00:21:31,958 And I see these ears on him, 388 00:21:31,991 --> 00:21:35,094 and I said, "Jeez, what is this?" 389 00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:38,865 And he did a scene, and he was terrific in the scene. 390 00:21:38,898 --> 00:21:41,668 But I said... I got him to the side. I couldn't believe it. 391 00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:45,805 I said, "Leonard, Leonard, come here. I've got talk to you." 392 00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:50,410 I said, "No matter what you do, you've got to get out of this as soon as you possibly can." 393 00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:52,979 This is a treadmill to oblivion." 394 00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:57,417 The review that "Variety" gave us 395 00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:59,919 when we first went on the air in September of 1966. 396 00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:06,526 And I thought you'd enjoy hearing what our show business Bible said about us 397 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,361 the first week we went on the air. 398 00:22:08,395 --> 00:22:09,796 This is dated September... 399 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:14,634 It appeared on September 14th, 1966, just a little over 25 years ago. 400 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:17,704 It said, "'Star Trek' with William Shatner, Leonard Nomoid..." 401 00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:22,942 "'Star Trek' won't work." 402 00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:29,148 That's the opening line. 403 00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:34,053 Then it says, "An incredible and dreary mess of confusion..." 404 00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:36,122 "trudged on for a long hour..." 405 00:22:37,557 --> 00:22:41,761 "with hardly any relief from violence, killings, hypnotic stuff, 406 00:22:41,794 --> 00:22:44,163 and a distasteful, ugly monster." 407 00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:50,703 "William Shatner..." Shush! 408 00:22:50,737 --> 00:22:54,040 "William Shatner appears wooden," it says. 409 00:22:59,746 --> 00:23:03,516 I didn't say it. It says it here, right? 410 00:23:03,550 --> 00:23:05,485 I never heard him accused of being, 411 00:23:05,518 --> 00:23:07,720 accused of being wooden before, you know. 412 00:23:10,457 --> 00:23:11,824 "Spock!" 413 00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:18,831 "Scotty!" 414 00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:21,801 "I need warp speed in four minutes, or we're all dead!" 415 00:23:23,703 --> 00:23:26,806 Then it says, "The same goes for Leonard Nimoy." 416 00:23:30,577 --> 00:23:35,648 There are 500 or 1,000 who could play our characters effectively. 417 00:23:35,682 --> 00:23:38,217 There's only one person who could play Mr. Spock. 418 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:45,091 Spock called for exactly the kind of work I was prepared to do. 419 00:23:45,124 --> 00:23:48,661 He was a character with a rich and dynamic inner life, 420 00:23:48,695 --> 00:23:50,730 half human, half Vulcan. 421 00:23:50,763 --> 00:23:53,600 He was the embodiment of the outsider, 422 00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:57,670 like the immigrants who surrounded me in Boston in my early years. 423 00:23:57,704 --> 00:23:59,171 How do you find your way 424 00:23:59,205 --> 00:24:02,208 as the alien in a foreign culture? 425 00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:05,945 Keep your Vulcan hands off me. 426 00:24:05,978 --> 00:24:08,080 Just keep away. 427 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:12,652 Your feelings might be hurt, you green-blooded half breed. 428 00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:17,056 May I say that I have not thoroughly enjoyed serving with humans. 429 00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:21,127 I find their illogic and foolish emotions a constant irritant. 430 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,797 Then transfer out, freak. 431 00:24:24,831 --> 00:24:26,899 Most everyone, and there are exceptions, 432 00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:30,837 but most everyone feels a little bit like an outsider. 433 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:32,815 I would argue the most interesting people seem to. 434 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,676 So, there's something wonderfully comforting 435 00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:41,147 and relatable to know that Spock felt that way himself. 436 00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:45,952 I grew up as a skinny, nerdy, gay kid in the south, 437 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,887 you know, in the 70's. 438 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,889 Not exactly a comfortable existence. 439 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:52,659 There's a lot of internal conflict. 440 00:24:52,692 --> 00:24:55,562 So the character of Spock from the very beginning... 441 00:24:55,595 --> 00:24:57,730 And you know, when I was five, I didn't know why, 442 00:24:57,764 --> 00:24:58,841 or seven, I didn't know why, 443 00:24:58,865 --> 00:25:00,867 but I was captivated 444 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:04,904 by this character that was based on internal conflict. 445 00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:10,610 Spock, I think people recognize themselves in him. 446 00:25:10,643 --> 00:25:14,947 He is, um, an outsider. 447 00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:16,549 He is the alien. 448 00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:18,651 I think everyone feels like an outsider sometimes. 449 00:25:18,685 --> 00:25:21,053 And since he's a nonhuman outsider, 450 00:25:21,087 --> 00:25:25,091 it's an otherness that everybody can relate to in their own way. 451 00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:29,161 People sometimes think they don't belong in a group. 452 00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:32,599 And really that's what I've found, you know... 453 00:25:32,632 --> 00:25:36,669 I was very tall from when I was young, 454 00:25:36,703 --> 00:25:39,772 and I felt apart from other people. 455 00:25:39,806 --> 00:25:43,109 And I really associated with that character. 456 00:25:47,847 --> 00:25:49,649 I think it was the very first episode 457 00:25:49,682 --> 00:25:52,652 we were filming after the pilot when we started into production. 458 00:25:52,685 --> 00:25:55,755 There was a scene in which the ship was being threatened 459 00:25:55,788 --> 00:25:59,191 by some outside problems, outside dangerous force, 460 00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:00,803 and there was a lot of activity on the ship. 461 00:26:00,827 --> 00:26:02,337 The captain was saying, "Do such and such. 462 00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:06,599 Press this button. Do this. Warp three. Get us out of here," and so forth. 463 00:26:06,633 --> 00:26:10,803 And Spock had one word to say, and the word was, "Fascinating." 464 00:26:10,837 --> 00:26:12,781 And we're looking at this thing on the screen, you know, 465 00:26:12,805 --> 00:26:14,817 and everyone else is reacting, "Oh, look at it. Blah, blah." 466 00:26:14,841 --> 00:26:16,151 And I got caught up in that energy, 467 00:26:16,175 --> 00:26:18,711 and I said, "Fascinating." 468 00:26:18,745 --> 00:26:21,881 And the director gave me a brilliant note, and he said, 469 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:25,618 "Be different. Be the scientist. Be detached. 470 00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:28,788 See it as something that's a curiosity rather than a threat." 471 00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:31,791 Fascinating. 472 00:26:34,393 --> 00:26:39,165 Well... a big chunk of the character was born right there. 473 00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:42,969 If I seem insensitive to what you're going through, Captain, 474 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:47,373 understand... it's the way I am. 475 00:26:47,406 --> 00:26:50,977 A lesser actor would say, "Why would I want to play him? He doesn't have any emotions." 476 00:26:51,010 --> 00:26:52,745 But he has so many emotions. 477 00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,914 But he also has emotional control. 478 00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:56,783 Expresses very little of what he's feeling, 479 00:26:56,816 --> 00:27:00,086 and I think it's fun for the audience to watch 480 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,355 to see if there's a glimmer of something that pops through. 481 00:27:03,389 --> 00:27:05,257 I had a very interesting conversation 482 00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:08,294 with your father about Spock, 483 00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:12,364 because we were talking about him as a cold, unemotional guy. 484 00:27:12,398 --> 00:27:14,901 And Leonard said, "I never played him that way." 485 00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:19,005 I always played him as a guy trying to keep his emotions in check." 486 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:23,943 And I thought that was a subtle and ingenious choice, 487 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:28,214 because it lent a dynamic tension to what you saw on the screen, 488 00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:30,016 particularly in the closeups, 489 00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:31,450 of a guy trying to keep a lid on it. 490 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:32,952 That thing must be destroyed. 491 00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,922 You tried to destroy it once before, Commodore. 492 00:27:35,955 --> 00:27:38,958 The result was a wrecked ship and a dead crew. 493 00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:43,195 I am officially notifying you that I am exercising my option 494 00:27:43,229 --> 00:27:46,298 under regulations as a Star Fleet Commodore, 495 00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:48,701 and that I am assuming command of the Enterprise. 496 00:27:54,841 --> 00:27:57,076 You can't let him do this, Spock. 497 00:27:57,109 --> 00:27:58,978 Doctor, you are out of line. 498 00:27:59,011 --> 00:28:01,981 So are you... sir. 499 00:28:02,849 --> 00:28:04,283 Well, Spock? 500 00:28:04,316 --> 00:28:08,454 Unfortunately, Star Fleet Order 104, Section B leaves me no alternative. 501 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:10,757 Mr. Spock, I order you to assume command 502 00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:13,059 on my personal authority as captain of the Enterprise. 503 00:28:13,092 --> 00:28:17,730 Commodore Decker, you are relieved of command. 504 00:28:17,764 --> 00:28:21,834 I don't recognize your authority to relieve me. 505 00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:27,239 Commodore, I do not wish to place you under arrest. 506 00:28:29,175 --> 00:28:30,777 You're bluffing. 507 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:33,045 Vulcans never bluff. 508 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,482 I talked about it at the time being heavily influenced 509 00:28:36,515 --> 00:28:39,385 by what I saw Harry Belafonte do on stage one night. 510 00:28:39,418 --> 00:28:41,396 He came out on stage, and a spotlight came up on him, 511 00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:44,323 and he was there. He just stood there very quietly. 512 00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:46,926 Applause. Next song, stood there quietly and sang. 513 00:28:46,959 --> 00:28:49,095 Now he must have been on stage 10 or 15 minutes. 514 00:28:49,128 --> 00:28:51,798 He was just standing there with his hands on his thighs, 515 00:28:51,831 --> 00:28:53,800 and sang, and when he made a gesture, 516 00:28:53,833 --> 00:28:55,534 it was like the whole place shook. 517 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:58,470 It was like, "Wow!" You know? 518 00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:00,172 It was gigantic. 519 00:29:00,206 --> 00:29:01,941 Wow, what a lesson. 520 00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:06,979 If you are minimal, then that becomes a big deal. 521 00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:10,182 If you are minimal, that becomes a big deal. 522 00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:17,489 He's gone. 523 00:29:17,523 --> 00:29:19,425 You make a comment with an eyebrow, 524 00:29:19,458 --> 00:29:22,995 that's just as powerful as throwing punches. 525 00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:25,865 He didn't wield the human side frivolously for effect. 526 00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,300 Most of the time, it would be contained, 527 00:29:28,334 --> 00:29:29,936 but occasionally, 528 00:29:29,969 --> 00:29:33,405 you know, most notably at the end of 'Amok Time, ' 529 00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:36,408 when he realizes that he didn't kill Kirk, 530 00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:38,410 there's a sweet moment of like, "Jim!" 531 00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:40,579 Which is just so... It's so earned. 532 00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:43,850 There can be no excuse for the crime of which I'm guilty. 533 00:29:43,883 --> 00:29:45,451 I intend to offer no defense. 534 00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:47,386 Furthermore, I shall order Mr. Scott 535 00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:48,964 to take immediate command of this vessel. 536 00:29:48,988 --> 00:29:50,957 Don't you think you'd better check with me first? 537 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:52,191 Captain! 538 00:29:53,492 --> 00:29:54,793 Jim! 539 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:05,872 I'm... pleased to see you, Captain. 540 00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:09,008 You seem... uninjured. 541 00:30:10,943 --> 00:30:12,444 What is the purpose of a toy? 542 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:13,745 To be played with. 543 00:30:13,779 --> 00:30:17,049 Therefore, to not play with it would be... 544 00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:18,184 Illogical. 545 00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:21,087 Damn it, Spock, you're right. 546 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:27,559 You can look at a lot of progenitor characters for Sheldon, 547 00:30:27,593 --> 00:30:32,531 but absolutely, absolutely one of them is Spock. Absolutely. 548 00:30:32,564 --> 00:30:37,103 And in fact, in the episode 549 00:30:37,136 --> 00:30:41,874 in which Sheldon is interviewed for this very documentary 550 00:30:41,908 --> 00:30:45,277 that I am currently speaking to you in, 551 00:30:45,311 --> 00:30:47,313 one of the things Sheldon talks about 552 00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:49,481 is his desire to be Spock. 553 00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:51,583 And that's not a new invention. 554 00:30:51,617 --> 00:30:57,089 That's something that has existed for that character from the very beginning. 555 00:30:57,123 --> 00:31:00,960 When I was eight years old, Billy sparks cornered me in the playground. 556 00:31:00,993 --> 00:31:03,229 I asked myself, "What would Spock do?" 557 00:31:03,262 --> 00:31:05,331 Then I grabbed Billy on his shoulder 558 00:31:05,364 --> 00:31:08,400 and performed my first Vulcan nerve pinch. 559 00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:09,501 Did it work? 560 00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:11,637 Oh, no, he broke my collarbone. 561 00:31:13,505 --> 00:31:16,508 So the script was written then that Spock comes up behind, 562 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:18,277 sneaks up behind the mean Kirk, 563 00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:21,113 and hits him on the head with the butt of a gun. 564 00:31:21,147 --> 00:31:22,748 That's what was written in the script. 565 00:31:22,781 --> 00:31:26,953 So I said to the director, "I think we should do something different than that." 566 00:31:26,986 --> 00:31:29,197 He said, "What do you... What do you mean? What do you have in mind?" 567 00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:30,698 And I said, "Well, Spock is a graduate 568 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:32,558 of the Vulcan Institute of Technology..." 569 00:31:34,493 --> 00:31:37,663 "where he took a number of courses in human anatomy." 570 00:31:37,696 --> 00:31:43,002 And the Vulcans have a kind of energy that comes off their fingertips, 571 00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:46,305 which if properly applied to the appropriate pressure points 572 00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:49,141 on the human anatomy, will render a human unconscious. 573 00:31:49,175 --> 00:31:51,978 - And the guy didn't know what I was talking about. 574 00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:55,314 But I told him, and he knew exactly what I was talking about. 575 00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:59,251 And when I came up behind him, and I put my hand on his neck, he... 576 00:31:59,285 --> 00:32:00,252 He's the one that sold it. 577 00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:03,089 He went like like that and dropped like a rock. 578 00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:10,929 There's a multi-legged creature crawling on your shoulder. 579 00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,072 I'd like you to teach me that some time. 580 00:32:23,642 --> 00:32:26,478 Our minds are merging, Doctor. 581 00:32:26,512 --> 00:32:28,714 Our minds are one. 582 00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:32,151 I feel what you feel. 583 00:32:33,219 --> 00:32:35,454 I know what you know. 584 00:32:35,487 --> 00:32:38,690 I like the fact that Spock could communicate with other species 585 00:32:38,724 --> 00:32:42,995 through thoughts rather than through words. Brilliant. 586 00:32:45,664 --> 00:32:48,567 What in the name of... 587 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,104 The man talked to a rock for goodness sake and heard it. 588 00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:53,505 "Oh, she's pregnant." 589 00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:54,940 It's a rock, okay. 590 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:58,744 That was good, because the rock is not going to speak English to you. 591 00:32:58,777 --> 00:33:04,116 Think of how many science fiction stories in that decade and the decades preceding 592 00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:06,270 where you'd meet aliens, and the aliens spoke English. 593 00:33:08,087 --> 00:33:13,025 We didn't think to think that that would not happen. 594 00:33:13,059 --> 00:33:15,527 You've got to crawl before you walk. I get that. 595 00:33:15,561 --> 00:33:19,565 But "Star Trek" not only knew how to crawl, and knew how to walk. 596 00:33:19,598 --> 00:33:20,599 It was running. 597 00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:48,194 The Vulcan greeting is a wonderful sentiment, 598 00:33:48,227 --> 00:33:50,129 "Live long and prosper." 599 00:33:50,162 --> 00:33:55,134 And this too is something that was contributed by your father on the set. 600 00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:57,536 We had a wonderful script 601 00:33:57,569 --> 00:34:01,473 by Theodore Sturgeon called 'Amok Time.' 602 00:34:01,507 --> 00:34:03,175 We arrive on the planet, 603 00:34:03,209 --> 00:34:07,146 and a procession comes out from the city to greet us. 604 00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:08,347 I said to the director, 605 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:11,183 "I think we should have some kind of a special greeting. 606 00:34:11,217 --> 00:34:13,585 "Asian people bow to each other. 607 00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:15,787 "Military people salute each other. 608 00:34:15,821 --> 00:34:18,590 I think Vulcans should have some kind of a greeting." 609 00:34:18,624 --> 00:34:21,627 And he said, "What would you like to do?" 610 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,695 And I said, "How about this?" 611 00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:30,136 Where it came from was from my childhood of going 612 00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:33,739 to synagogue on the High Holidays with my family. 613 00:34:33,772 --> 00:34:37,476 There's a moment where a group of men get up before the congregation, 614 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:41,813 cover their heads with their prayer shawls, chant a prayer. 615 00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:44,216 My father said, "Don't look." 616 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:47,453 I'm about eight or nine years old, so I snuck a peek. 617 00:34:47,486 --> 00:34:50,456 And what I saw were these gentleman out there who were doing the shouting 618 00:34:50,489 --> 00:34:54,526 had their hands out towards the congregation like that, both hands. 619 00:34:56,762 --> 00:35:01,867 I found out later this is the shape of a letter shin in the Hebrew alphabet. 620 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:06,172 The letter shin is the first letter in the word Shaddai, 621 00:35:06,205 --> 00:35:07,606 the name of God. 622 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:10,742 Well, I survived. I peeked, and I survived. 623 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:13,779 But I was so intrigued with that gesture, 624 00:35:13,812 --> 00:35:17,416 and I suggested that we do that as Vulcans. 625 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:20,519 Within days after that episode was on the air, 626 00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:23,689 I started getting that gesture back on the streets. 627 00:35:41,373 --> 00:35:45,211 You know, a lot of times people ask me what it was like living with Spock, 628 00:35:45,244 --> 00:35:47,946 and for the most part, during that period, 629 00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:50,682 Dad was not home much at all. I didn't see him. 630 00:35:50,716 --> 00:35:55,387 He was really focused on what he was doing at the studio 631 00:35:55,421 --> 00:35:56,788 and for the show. 632 00:35:56,822 --> 00:35:59,491 His usual routine during the week was he would get up very early. 633 00:35:59,525 --> 00:36:02,794 He'd come home at 7:00 or 8:00 at night, 634 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:05,331 eat his dinner, memorize his lines. 635 00:36:05,364 --> 00:36:06,865 He'd run the lines with my mother 636 00:36:06,898 --> 00:36:08,967 and then just go to sleep and start all over again. 637 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,437 So during the week, he wasn't around hardly at all. 638 00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:14,906 We spent a lot of, you know, our, quite a few years... 639 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:17,276 Actually, from "Star Trek" to "Mission," 640 00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:20,579 with him not being home during the weekdays. 641 00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,648 Even when Dad was around at home, 642 00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:24,850 oftentimes, he was very quiet and remote. 643 00:36:24,883 --> 00:36:26,952 He was still kind of in his Spock bag, 644 00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:28,620 because he liked to stay in character. 645 00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:30,789 You play a character like that... 646 00:36:30,822 --> 00:36:34,660 What? Eight, 10, 12 hours a day, five days a week, 647 00:36:34,693 --> 00:36:37,896 -most of your waking life then is in that character. -Mm-hmm. 648 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:42,534 And I'd find it very difficult to turn it on and turn it off. 649 00:36:42,568 --> 00:36:46,372 So stepping out of the set and into a chair waiting for the next setup, 650 00:36:46,405 --> 00:36:47,506 I couldn't shift out of it. 651 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:50,409 I believed in making that investment in the character. 652 00:36:50,442 --> 00:36:53,279 Particularly, that kind of character that was so boxed. 653 00:36:53,312 --> 00:36:57,483 A lot of the time he wasn't available to hang out with, 654 00:36:57,516 --> 00:37:00,519 to... do things with. 655 00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:03,655 He was... He was sort of in his world. 656 00:37:03,689 --> 00:37:06,392 He was occasionally Leonard-like, 657 00:37:06,425 --> 00:37:08,527 but mostly, he was Spock. 658 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,629 So I never really got to know him very well. 659 00:37:10,662 --> 00:37:14,300 I got to know Spock a little bit better than I got to know your dad. 660 00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:17,303 I mean, he was totally dedicated to playing that character 661 00:37:17,336 --> 00:37:19,338 and to being that character, and it showed. 662 00:37:19,371 --> 00:37:23,342 If I stay in character or kind of don't joke around, 663 00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:25,777 it's more a function of me... 664 00:37:25,811 --> 00:37:29,715 It's slightly closer to being a panicked grip 665 00:37:29,748 --> 00:37:32,984 than it is being an artist, I'm afraid. 666 00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:34,620 It's just, I don't want to lose it. 667 00:37:34,653 --> 00:37:37,656 You kind of have to get into the character's head. 668 00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:40,626 And if you come out of it, and then they go, "Roll camera," 669 00:37:40,659 --> 00:37:42,594 if you're off by that much, 670 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:46,465 you could either underplay a moment or overplay a moment. 671 00:37:52,037 --> 00:37:54,673 Fan mail started arriving pretty regularly 672 00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:56,174 in late '66, 673 00:37:56,207 --> 00:37:59,545 and there was some issue whether or not the studio would handle the mail, 674 00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:01,112 the network would handle the mail. 675 00:38:01,146 --> 00:38:03,325 They didn't want to do it. They wanted, you know, Leonard to handle the mail, 676 00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:05,617 which he did in his office for a while. 677 00:38:05,651 --> 00:38:07,586 There was an interview in "16 Magazine," 678 00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:09,521 I think it was the spring of '67, 679 00:38:09,555 --> 00:38:14,460 and somehow, accidentally, they published our home address 680 00:38:14,493 --> 00:38:17,329 as the mailing address for the fan mail. 681 00:38:17,363 --> 00:38:20,399 Within days, the mailman stopped coming. 682 00:38:20,432 --> 00:38:23,969 It was a truck that arrived with sacks of mail, 683 00:38:24,002 --> 00:38:26,538 and we were answering it. 684 00:38:26,572 --> 00:38:27,873 It came into our dining room. 685 00:38:27,906 --> 00:38:29,875 We had the dining room table all set up 686 00:38:29,908 --> 00:38:31,176 with the mail that we opened, 687 00:38:31,209 --> 00:38:35,113 and we stuffed envelopes with this early Spock promo picture. 688 00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:37,883 It was one of our "family activities," 689 00:38:37,916 --> 00:38:39,351 you know, was answering fan mail. 690 00:38:39,385 --> 00:38:40,652 Personal life was gone. 691 00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:42,096 Yeah, it started happening very fast. 692 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,089 And to show you how naive I was, 693 00:38:44,122 --> 00:38:46,758 at that time, I still had my phone listed in the phone book, 694 00:38:46,792 --> 00:38:48,035 and my address, and it was all... 695 00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:49,737 You know, I'd never dreamed that there was going to be any, 696 00:38:49,761 --> 00:38:53,499 that kind of impact, because I'd been on television before and done movies before, 697 00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:55,643 and I was listed in the phone book. Didn't matter to me. 698 00:38:55,667 --> 00:38:58,504 We started getting a lot of fan mail, not only fan mail, 699 00:38:58,537 --> 00:39:01,973 but fans coming to our door, knocking down the door. 700 00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:04,376 We started getting people driving by the house, and parking, 701 00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:07,413 and ripping at the shrubbery to have a souvenir, you know, 702 00:39:07,446 --> 00:39:10,148 and taking my grass, and my leaves, and whatever. 703 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,617 Some of them would knock on the door 704 00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:13,719 and ask to be invited in to visit. 705 00:39:13,752 --> 00:39:17,423 It got really crazy. Yeah, yeah. 706 00:39:17,456 --> 00:39:19,090 It got really crazy for a while. 707 00:39:21,593 --> 00:39:23,161 What about when you came back to Boston 708 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:24,238 during the "Star Trek" years? 709 00:39:24,262 --> 00:39:26,565 Yeah, that was kind of exciting 710 00:39:26,598 --> 00:39:28,434 and a little difficult. 711 00:39:30,636 --> 00:39:33,038 People were following me in the street, 712 00:39:33,071 --> 00:39:35,707 and I didn't really want people to know where I was living. 713 00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:37,519 I was staying with my folks, with your grandparents. 714 00:39:37,543 --> 00:39:38,644 Right. 715 00:39:38,677 --> 00:39:42,548 And they didn't have any idea what "Star Trek" was. 716 00:39:42,581 --> 00:39:44,115 They didn't get it. 717 00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:46,552 All they knew was something had happened. 718 00:39:46,585 --> 00:39:48,587 How did they react when they saw your haircut? 719 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:51,022 My dad actually thought I was wearing a wig. 720 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:55,126 He had a picture of me as Spock up on the wall in the barbershop, 721 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,696 and kids would come in and say, "I want a Spock haircut." 722 00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:04,803 Once word filtered through to network executives 723 00:40:04,836 --> 00:40:06,972 about Spock's popularity, they said to Roddenberry, 724 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:10,809 "Say, why aren't you doing more with that Martian on the show?" 725 00:40:10,842 --> 00:40:13,044 There's that element of competition, 726 00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:14,913 particularly the first season, 727 00:40:14,946 --> 00:40:21,019 because, um... the titular star was Bill Shatner. 728 00:40:21,052 --> 00:40:24,556 Leonard was the secondary character. 729 00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:27,826 But when the show went on the air, 730 00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:32,964 people were absolutely magnetically attracted to Spock. 731 00:40:32,998 --> 00:40:35,934 So I'm asked to be the captain, 732 00:40:35,967 --> 00:40:39,738 and it's the captain's show, and that's great. 733 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:45,644 Quite frequently, another character rises to the top as well. 734 00:40:45,677 --> 00:40:48,614 I go to Roddenberry, 735 00:40:48,647 --> 00:40:51,449 who then says very wisely... 736 00:40:52,918 --> 00:40:57,055 "If Spock is popular, then Kirk is popular, 737 00:40:57,088 --> 00:41:00,626 and the show is popular, and that's what we all want." 738 00:41:00,659 --> 00:41:02,260 And I thought, "You know, he's right." 739 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:05,230 And from that moment on, 740 00:41:05,263 --> 00:41:07,899 I encompassed the popularity of Spock, 741 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:13,572 and, uh, was okay with it, and, uh, enjoyed it. 742 00:41:17,175 --> 00:41:20,679 Jim, I feel friendship for you. 743 00:41:20,712 --> 00:41:22,047 I'm ashamed. 744 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,683 You've got to hear me! 745 00:41:24,716 --> 00:41:27,886 Kirk is the physical embodiment of the show, 746 00:41:27,919 --> 00:41:31,523 and Spock is the spiritual embodiment of the show. 747 00:41:31,557 --> 00:41:36,662 And I think it's how these two guys carved out 748 00:41:36,695 --> 00:41:40,666 their specific spaces in this little universe. 749 00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:55,814 Kirk was always doing wild and crazy things 750 00:41:55,847 --> 00:41:57,282 and sleeping with aliens, 751 00:41:57,315 --> 00:41:59,585 and Spock was always thoughtful, 752 00:41:59,618 --> 00:42:01,687 and moving in a very deliberate way, 753 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,689 and sort of putting the brakes 754 00:42:03,722 --> 00:42:06,758 on some of the more physical urges that people had. 755 00:42:06,792 --> 00:42:08,727 You can save it, girls. 756 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,229 This type can turn himself off from any emotion. 757 00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:13,732 I think that his Vulcan side prevents him 758 00:42:13,765 --> 00:42:19,337 from allowing the testosterone in his human side to get the best of him. 759 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:22,574 And that is very appealing for women, 760 00:42:22,608 --> 00:42:23,685 at least for women like me. 761 00:42:23,709 --> 00:42:26,177 I don't... I don't... 762 00:42:26,211 --> 00:42:30,348 Motorcycles, and car oils, and, "Hey, baby..." 763 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:33,218 I just... I just... It's not my thing. 764 00:42:33,251 --> 00:42:35,621 I like more of an intellectual, humble soul 765 00:42:35,654 --> 00:42:39,925 that kind of blows your mind in just a conversation, 766 00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:41,893 and I feel like Spock is that like. 767 00:42:41,927 --> 00:42:45,764 So I wouldn't be surprised why women found him really appealing. 768 00:42:47,633 --> 00:42:49,801 Bridge to Captain Kirk. 769 00:42:51,803 --> 00:42:52,803 Kirk here. 770 00:42:54,305 --> 00:42:55,907 I had no idea. 771 00:42:55,941 --> 00:42:57,709 What? 772 00:42:57,743 --> 00:43:00,612 He's so much more handsome in person. 773 00:43:00,646 --> 00:43:01,980 Those eyes. 774 00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:04,349 Kirk had quite the reputation as a lady's man. 775 00:43:04,382 --> 00:43:06,618 Not him. 776 00:43:06,652 --> 00:43:07,986 Spock. 777 00:43:08,019 --> 00:43:11,690 There was just something about him that women found attractive. 778 00:43:11,723 --> 00:43:15,093 He himself was kind of flirty, 779 00:43:15,126 --> 00:43:19,030 and women kind of flirted with him. 780 00:43:19,064 --> 00:43:24,069 You only take a mate once every seven years? 781 00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:26,972 The seven-year cycle... 782 00:43:27,005 --> 00:43:30,041 is biologically inherent in all Vulcans. 783 00:43:30,776 --> 00:43:32,377 At that time, 784 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:36,014 the mating drive outweighs all other motivations. 785 00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:52,263 And is there nothing that can disturb that cycle, Mr. Spock? 786 00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:56,067 When did you get first interested into fellas? 787 00:43:56,101 --> 00:43:57,101 Uh... 788 00:43:58,770 --> 00:44:00,371 Spock, yes. 789 00:44:00,405 --> 00:44:01,707 What was it about him? 790 00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:05,744 He was so repressed, and you just wanted to make him scream. 791 00:44:08,013 --> 00:44:09,981 I'm, uh... I'm rather repressed. 792 00:44:10,882 --> 00:44:13,184 I don't think this is that different 793 00:44:13,218 --> 00:44:16,221 from the which Beatle do you love most, you know? 794 00:44:16,254 --> 00:44:18,189 I like the less emotional, 795 00:44:18,223 --> 00:44:21,827 more, you know, kind of obtuse, bizarre type. 796 00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:25,463 So I think there's always going to be a Spock female versus a Kirk female. 797 00:44:25,496 --> 00:44:30,201 I was one of the first to find them, the spores. 798 00:44:32,237 --> 00:44:33,805 Spores? 799 00:44:46,484 --> 00:44:47,484 Now... 800 00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:51,757 Now, you belong to all of us... 801 00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:53,925 and we to you. 802 00:44:53,959 --> 00:44:57,829 There's no need to hide your inner face any longer. 803 00:44:57,863 --> 00:44:59,330 We understand. 804 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,476 I love you. 805 00:45:13,879 --> 00:45:15,380 I can love you. 806 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,490 This is the perfect opportunity for a love story for Spock, 807 00:45:25,523 --> 00:45:28,293 because the spores release all of those things 808 00:45:28,326 --> 00:45:31,863 that hold in his emotions, his logic, 809 00:45:31,897 --> 00:45:34,966 and will allow him to feel like a real person. 810 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,270 And this is unusual for him. It's unknown for him. 811 00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:43,308 But we're happy here. 812 00:45:45,043 --> 00:45:48,046 I can't lose you now, Mr. Spock. I can't. 813 00:45:49,214 --> 00:45:53,018 I have a responsibility... 814 00:45:53,051 --> 00:45:55,086 to the ship... 815 00:45:56,087 --> 00:45:58,756 and that man on the bridge. 816 00:46:01,226 --> 00:46:03,895 I am what I am, Leila. 817 00:46:05,163 --> 00:46:09,334 And if there are self-made purgatories... 818 00:46:09,367 --> 00:46:12,770 and we all have to live in them... 819 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,842 mine can be no worse than someone else's. 820 00:46:30,155 --> 00:46:34,893 * Cotton candy on a summer day 821 00:46:34,926 --> 00:46:39,597 * Green grass on a hillside 822 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:44,369 * Could they turn my love around? * 823 00:46:44,402 --> 00:46:46,972 * Could they bring her back to my side? * 824 00:46:47,005 --> 00:46:49,240 Well, he was a better singer than I was. 825 00:46:49,274 --> 00:46:52,043 I mean, he could, uh... 826 00:46:52,077 --> 00:46:54,913 He could sustain a note. 827 00:46:54,946 --> 00:46:57,082 Uh, off-key, but sustain a note. 828 00:47:00,118 --> 00:47:03,021 * His love is a merry-go-round 829 00:47:03,054 --> 00:47:05,056 * He will drag you down 830 00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:07,592 * A trip to nowhere 831 00:47:07,625 --> 00:47:11,963 * A world without love 832 00:47:17,368 --> 00:47:19,437 He was basically keeping himself busy 833 00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:21,506 by making hay while the sun was shining. 834 00:47:21,539 --> 00:47:24,142 I mean, that was his whole philosophy. 835 00:47:24,175 --> 00:47:27,012 He knew he was riding this wave, and it was very exciting. 836 00:47:27,045 --> 00:47:29,347 But he also knew that it could be over very quickly, 837 00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:32,117 and we could be back into the financial struggle that we were in 838 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:33,418 before "Star Trek" came along. 839 00:47:33,451 --> 00:47:37,155 I always told him, "You can take the boy out of the West End, 840 00:47:37,188 --> 00:47:40,191 but you can't take the West End out of the boy." 841 00:47:40,225 --> 00:47:41,292 I live with one. 842 00:47:43,461 --> 00:47:46,164 What does that mean? 843 00:47:46,197 --> 00:47:52,037 Well, uh, he developed a very strong work ethic. 844 00:47:54,072 --> 00:47:58,076 I rarely turned down any paid engagement. 845 00:47:58,109 --> 00:47:59,945 I'd seen many of my actor friends 846 00:47:59,978 --> 00:48:01,913 go to work on a series for a few years 847 00:48:01,947 --> 00:48:04,249 and live up to the level of their income, 848 00:48:04,282 --> 00:48:06,051 and then when the series was canceled, 849 00:48:06,084 --> 00:48:07,552 they were once again looking for work 850 00:48:07,585 --> 00:48:10,588 with no steady income and no money in the bank. 851 00:48:12,090 --> 00:48:13,591 I made a private pact with myself 852 00:48:13,624 --> 00:48:16,327 that this would never happen to me and my family. 853 00:48:16,361 --> 00:48:20,331 So every time I was offered a paid appearance, I took it. 854 00:48:23,034 --> 00:48:26,371 This meant that I left the studio at 5:00 or 6:00 on Friday night. 855 00:48:26,404 --> 00:48:29,140 I took a red eye flight to my destination. 856 00:48:29,174 --> 00:48:32,710 I'd arrive on the East Coast around 6:00 Saturday morning 857 00:48:32,743 --> 00:48:36,047 and catch the last flight out on Sunday night. 858 00:48:36,081 --> 00:48:37,548 I can remember a time or two 859 00:48:37,582 --> 00:48:40,651 when I got back to Los Angeles at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning on Monday. 860 00:48:40,685 --> 00:48:44,089 I'd go right to the studio, stagger into my dressing room, 861 00:48:44,122 --> 00:48:46,524 and catch a few hours sleep on the couch. 862 00:48:46,557 --> 00:48:48,994 From there, I headed right into makeup. 863 00:48:55,466 --> 00:48:57,235 There were a number of photographers 864 00:48:57,268 --> 00:48:59,637 who showed up to take our picture in those early days, 865 00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:02,673 '66, '67, and into '68, 866 00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:04,542 and we were happy to do it. It was fun. 867 00:49:04,575 --> 00:49:06,611 I've got to admit. It was like a circus. 868 00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:09,047 It was a joyride, and it was really a good time. 869 00:49:22,727 --> 00:49:25,196 First, it was like novel. It was great. 870 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:27,565 It was like, "Oh, wow, we're getting our picture taken." 871 00:49:27,598 --> 00:49:30,301 We're going to be in a magazine. It's so cool." 872 00:49:30,335 --> 00:49:32,770 But after a while, it got tiresome. 873 00:49:32,803 --> 00:49:36,141 It became sort of an invasion of our life, 874 00:49:36,174 --> 00:49:38,676 and us not really understanding, 875 00:49:38,709 --> 00:49:42,013 you know, "Why do we have to do this? Why is this so important?" 876 00:49:42,047 --> 00:49:43,281 We were young. 877 00:49:43,314 --> 00:49:46,051 There was one time... I believe it was 1970. 878 00:49:46,084 --> 00:49:47,161 There was a photographer there, 879 00:49:47,185 --> 00:49:49,254 and we were supposed to come in and take pictures, 880 00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:50,431 and Julie and I were like, "Huh-uh." 881 00:49:50,455 --> 00:49:52,590 We joined together, we unionized, and we said no. 882 00:49:52,623 --> 00:49:54,259 You can't say no to Leonard. 883 00:49:54,292 --> 00:49:55,726 I've got to tell you. It's just... 884 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,096 I mean, we felt guilty. We wanted to support him, 885 00:49:58,129 --> 00:50:00,631 but we were really done with the whole... 886 00:50:00,665 --> 00:50:02,400 the whole publicity routine. 887 00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:04,535 We took a really good family portrait 888 00:50:04,569 --> 00:50:08,306 which is emblematic, I think, of where we were at that time in our lives, 889 00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:10,275 because no one is smiling. 890 00:50:17,082 --> 00:50:19,550 In "Star Trek", in the mid-60s, 891 00:50:19,584 --> 00:50:24,455 creating this character who would soon become a pop culture icon... 892 00:50:24,489 --> 00:50:27,158 My dad was never really that in touch 893 00:50:27,192 --> 00:50:30,095 with what was going on in popular culture. 894 00:50:30,128 --> 00:50:33,531 It's so interesting that when he was at home during leisure time, 895 00:50:33,564 --> 00:50:37,168 he was listening to records of guys like Heath Mantan, 896 00:50:37,202 --> 00:50:39,804 and Lou Rawls, and Charles Aznavour. 897 00:50:39,837 --> 00:50:43,841 Our mom was... ahead of her time. 898 00:50:43,874 --> 00:50:47,612 At first, when you look back at pictures of her, 899 00:50:47,645 --> 00:50:52,217 she was dressed very, uh, 50's housewife 900 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:53,784 but still had style. 901 00:51:06,164 --> 00:51:09,867 Dad stayed still very, you know, in his dressing, conservative, 902 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:14,605 but Mom tried to, you know, change his style up a bit. 903 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:18,109 So he started, you know, wearing a little cooler clothes, 904 00:51:18,143 --> 00:51:21,746 some jeans, the little scarf, you know, around his neck. 905 00:51:21,779 --> 00:51:24,149 And his hair was done a little cooler. 906 00:51:24,182 --> 00:51:28,286 Even though he had the Spock haircut, you know, 907 00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:30,788 somehow he could brush it off to the side a little bit, 908 00:51:30,821 --> 00:51:34,292 and he looked a little, a little hipper, yeah. 909 00:52:00,185 --> 00:52:03,754 NBC failed to renew "Star Trek" for a fourth season. 910 00:52:06,357 --> 00:52:09,160 A short time after we finished shooting for "Star Trek," 911 00:52:09,194 --> 00:52:12,197 I signed on with "Mission Impossible." 912 00:52:18,803 --> 00:52:20,405 Before he started on "Mission," 913 00:52:20,438 --> 00:52:22,340 there was a press conference in Honolulu 914 00:52:22,373 --> 00:52:24,809 announcing that he was joining the show. 915 00:52:26,877 --> 00:52:28,779 It was a very exciting experience for me 916 00:52:28,813 --> 00:52:30,748 to be there spending time with Dad. 917 00:52:30,781 --> 00:52:34,785 Although, by then, sharing him with the fans had become a part of my life. 918 00:52:34,819 --> 00:52:36,787 My character, Paris The Great, 919 00:52:36,821 --> 00:52:38,356 was a master of disguise. 920 00:52:38,389 --> 00:52:41,292 Therefore, I got to play a multitude of characters, 921 00:52:41,326 --> 00:52:44,662 old men, Asians, South American dictators, 922 00:52:44,695 --> 00:52:47,465 blind men, Europeans. 923 00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:49,267 But then, before I knew it, 924 00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:51,536 I was playing the South American dictator again, 925 00:52:51,569 --> 00:52:55,773 and the Asian, and the old man, and the blind guy. 926 00:52:55,806 --> 00:52:57,542 It got boring. 927 00:52:57,575 --> 00:52:59,877 A short while later, I left the show. 928 00:53:03,748 --> 00:53:05,316 After "Mission Impossible", 929 00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:07,552 I played Tevye in "Fiddler On The Roof." 930 00:53:07,585 --> 00:53:09,687 It was only the first experience 931 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,890 in my extremely enjoyable theatrical career. 932 00:53:12,923 --> 00:53:15,926 In "Fiddler on the Roof", he was magnificent. 933 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,697 He was very precise. 934 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:22,933 He avoided every cliche. 935 00:53:22,967 --> 00:53:28,439 And as he grew into the role, he was extravagant. 936 00:53:28,473 --> 00:53:32,977 His portrayal of Tevye in "Fiddler On The Roof" was utterly fantastic. 937 00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:35,380 Probably the best of any I've seen. 938 00:53:35,413 --> 00:53:38,449 - Because he was an actor. - Like a real actor. 939 00:53:38,483 --> 00:53:45,456 I think he realized that what would make that work in a non-Broadway setting 940 00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:49,260 was it was about him, and his wife, and his kids. 941 00:53:49,294 --> 00:53:51,596 And it was beautifully sculptured. 942 00:53:51,629 --> 00:53:54,665 I went on to appear as Fagin in "Oliver," 943 00:53:54,699 --> 00:53:56,434 Arthur in "Camelot", 944 00:53:56,467 --> 00:54:00,271 and a one-man play about Vincent Van Gogh. 945 00:54:00,305 --> 00:54:02,673 In the early '70s, Dad was in a play called 946 00:54:02,707 --> 00:54:05,543 "Man in the Glass Booth," and it was a terrific play. 947 00:54:05,576 --> 00:54:07,412 He really owned up to that role. 948 00:54:07,445 --> 00:54:09,680 And as I watched him night after night, 949 00:54:09,714 --> 00:54:13,751 he was completely unrecognizable to me as my own father. 950 00:54:13,784 --> 00:54:17,688 He had to play a wealthy... 951 00:54:17,722 --> 00:54:24,295 braggadocio, vain, egocentric New York Jew. 952 00:54:24,329 --> 00:54:27,565 Not a Jewish man, but a Jew. 953 00:54:27,598 --> 00:54:31,869 And as the play develops, when the Jew gets arrested 954 00:54:31,902 --> 00:54:36,307 as being a concentration camp commandant, 955 00:54:36,341 --> 00:54:40,545 he then has to play the meanest, most committed, 956 00:54:40,578 --> 00:54:46,851 most devoted Nazi officer you can imagine. 957 00:54:46,884 --> 00:54:49,854 And he stands up in the booth. 958 00:54:49,887 --> 00:54:53,023 Not supposed to do that in Israeli court. 959 00:54:53,057 --> 00:54:55,460 He stands up, and he's in his regalia. 960 00:54:55,493 --> 00:54:58,295 He's in his uniform, but he doesn't have his hat on. 961 00:54:59,530 --> 00:55:04,669 And when he put that hat on, he changed. 962 00:55:04,702 --> 00:55:06,904 You didn't want to go anywhere near him. 963 00:55:09,974 --> 00:55:13,744 - Very quietly... - And this was him. 964 00:55:13,778 --> 00:55:17,448 He starts moving like this. 965 00:55:17,482 --> 00:55:22,853 And he marches to the last bit of dialogue. 966 00:55:22,887 --> 00:55:26,457 And it gets louder, and louder, and louder. 967 00:55:26,491 --> 00:55:29,894 If a director had come up with that, he should get an award. 968 00:55:29,927 --> 00:55:32,497 The actor came up with it, and he should get an award. 969 00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:34,064 It was chilling. 970 00:55:37,435 --> 00:55:41,439 The times when your dad was performing in New York, 971 00:55:41,472 --> 00:55:43,149 and then we would see each other very often, 972 00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:46,143 and that's when they started to go closer. 973 00:55:46,176 --> 00:55:47,945 And then we became his groupies. 974 00:55:47,978 --> 00:55:51,916 When he performed anyplace east of the Mississippi, 975 00:55:51,949 --> 00:55:54,552 we would fly out to be there. 976 00:56:06,764 --> 00:56:10,868 One summer, he did two plays. 977 00:56:10,901 --> 00:56:13,704 One in Michigan, and one in Wisconsin. 978 00:56:13,738 --> 00:56:19,444 And at that time, he was flying his own single engine airplane, 979 00:56:19,477 --> 00:56:22,012 and I flew a lot with him. I love flying. 980 00:56:22,046 --> 00:56:24,682 So, I plotted the entire course out. 981 00:56:24,715 --> 00:56:27,685 I took lessons, and I got my little license. 982 00:56:27,718 --> 00:56:30,888 Not a pilot's license. I got... They call it a pinch hitter. 983 00:56:30,921 --> 00:56:32,623 So that if anything happened to him, 984 00:56:32,657 --> 00:56:35,426 I could take over without a problem. 985 00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:41,732 And that was probably one of the best times I ever had with him. 986 00:56:41,766 --> 00:56:44,835 The decade of the '70s was kind of an interesting period for my dad, 987 00:56:44,869 --> 00:56:46,447 because he had done so much theater work. 988 00:56:46,471 --> 00:56:48,105 He was really kind of proving himself 989 00:56:48,138 --> 00:56:50,775 as the character actor that he always wanted to be. 990 00:56:50,808 --> 00:56:54,479 He also hosted multiple seasons of "In Search Of." 991 00:56:54,512 --> 00:56:55,656 underwritten in part by a national... 992 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,848 And he was in Philip Kaufman's remake 993 00:56:57,882 --> 00:57:00,451 of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." 994 00:57:00,485 --> 00:57:01,862 They were shooting in San Francisco, 995 00:57:01,886 --> 00:57:03,854 and I happened to be in school at Berkeley, 996 00:57:03,888 --> 00:57:06,857 and it was just a lot of fun watching them make that film. 997 00:57:06,891 --> 00:57:08,759 But what happens to us? 998 00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:11,161 You'll be born again into an untroubled world. 999 00:57:11,195 --> 00:57:14,031 He was a multifaceted individual that is for sure. 1000 00:57:14,064 --> 00:57:16,901 I knew that as a kid. I used to watch "In Search Of," 1001 00:57:16,934 --> 00:57:19,236 and I remember him in the Kaufman "Body Snatchers" 1002 00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:21,706 and "Mission Impossible," you know. 1003 00:57:21,739 --> 00:57:25,510 Uh, he was never just Spock to me even growing up. 1004 00:57:25,543 --> 00:57:29,013 We came here from a dying world. 1005 00:57:29,046 --> 00:57:32,149 We drift through the universe from planet to planet 1006 00:57:32,182 --> 00:57:34,919 pushed on by the solar winds. 1007 00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:37,922 We adapt, and we survive. 1008 00:57:45,195 --> 00:57:47,932 Captain, I found this device on my console. 1009 00:57:47,965 --> 00:57:50,968 It seems to serve no useful function and... 1010 00:57:53,137 --> 00:57:54,705 Captain? 1011 00:57:54,739 --> 00:57:57,842 I'm sorry, Spock, It's your... 1012 00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:06,684 When they began casting, we weren't... I wasn't called. 1013 00:58:06,717 --> 00:58:09,186 It was decided that George in the show 1014 00:58:09,219 --> 00:58:12,690 would not appear on the series. 1015 00:58:12,723 --> 00:58:15,626 And I thought, "What's happening?" 1016 00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:17,995 Uh, then it was announced 1017 00:58:18,028 --> 00:58:22,667 that Bill was cast to do Captain Kirk. 1018 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,636 Leonard was cast to do Mr. Spock. 1019 00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:27,905 Jimmy Doohan was cast to do Scotty 1020 00:58:27,938 --> 00:58:31,108 and all the other male voices, 1021 00:58:31,141 --> 00:58:34,178 and Majel was cast to do Nurse Chapel 1022 00:58:34,211 --> 00:58:36,313 and all of the female voices. 1023 00:58:36,346 --> 00:58:41,619 But when Leonard learned of that, he said, 1024 00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:47,224 "What Star Trek is about is diversity, coming together, 1025 00:58:47,257 --> 00:58:51,028 and working in concert as a team." 1026 00:58:51,061 --> 00:58:57,602 And he said, "The two people that most personify that diversity in our cast" 1027 00:58:57,635 --> 00:59:00,738 "are Nichelle Nichols and George Takei. 1028 00:59:00,771 --> 00:59:02,940 "And if they're not going to be a part of this, 1029 00:59:02,973 --> 00:59:06,276 then I'm not interested." 1030 00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:09,914 How many times does that happen in this business, you know? 1031 00:59:09,947 --> 00:59:12,082 It says a lot about Leonard. 1032 00:59:27,297 --> 00:59:30,935 Tuesday, October 22nd, 1973. 1033 00:59:32,169 --> 00:59:36,807 "Dear Adam, this may turn out to be a long letter. 1034 00:59:36,841 --> 00:59:39,877 "I'm very glad I could see you and Julie on Sunday. 1035 00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:42,012 "It was good to be with you, 1036 00:59:42,046 --> 00:59:44,248 "but I think it might have been especially useful 1037 00:59:44,281 --> 00:59:46,617 "in putting our relationship, you and me, 1038 00:59:46,651 --> 00:59:48,252 "in a new perspective. 1039 00:59:48,285 --> 00:59:50,688 "This came out of our argument. 1040 00:59:50,721 --> 00:59:55,292 "I discovered you and I were having a terrible battle on a verbal battleground. 1041 00:59:55,325 --> 00:59:59,730 "I felt very sad about it, and all I could say was, 'I'm sorry.' 1042 00:59:59,764 --> 01:00:01,799 "It suddenly occurred to me that it might be useful 1043 01:00:01,832 --> 01:00:06,403 "if I tell you some things about my relationship with my father. 1044 01:00:06,436 --> 01:00:08,172 "I always loved and feared him, 1045 01:00:08,205 --> 01:00:12,209 "but we had very little real personal contact. 1046 01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:15,379 "He was not a demonstrative man. 1047 01:00:15,412 --> 01:00:18,182 "Most of my day-to-day interaction was with my mother 1048 01:00:18,215 --> 01:00:22,052 "with my father in the background as a sort of weapon. 1049 01:00:22,086 --> 01:00:25,355 Neither of them was ever very giving of approval." 1050 01:00:25,389 --> 01:00:27,391 You guys were at odds a lot 1051 01:00:27,424 --> 01:00:30,327 about some of the company you were keeping 1052 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,129 and some of the things you were doing. 1053 01:00:32,162 --> 01:00:37,101 In the early '70s, there was a slight lull in Dad's work career, 1054 01:00:37,134 --> 01:00:41,171 and he was at home for the first time, hanging out, 1055 01:00:41,205 --> 01:00:43,841 and not really quite knowing what to do with himself. 1056 01:00:43,874 --> 01:00:46,243 And it was also during this time 1057 01:00:46,276 --> 01:00:49,714 when he was taking a close look at me and my life. 1058 01:00:49,747 --> 01:00:52,416 What he saw was, to him, not that pretty. 1059 01:00:52,449 --> 01:00:55,085 Even though I was doing very well in school... 1060 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,921 I was a senior in high school, 1061 01:00:56,954 --> 01:01:00,157 and by this time, I was like a full fledged Deadhead. 1062 01:01:11,001 --> 01:01:14,204 I mean... need I say more? 1063 01:01:14,238 --> 01:01:16,273 I mean, you know... 1064 01:01:16,306 --> 01:01:18,809 It was just not a good time for us. 1065 01:01:21,946 --> 01:01:24,849 * In the middle of the earth in the land of the shire * 1066 01:01:24,882 --> 01:01:27,718 * Lives a brave little hobbit whom we all admire * 1067 01:01:27,752 --> 01:01:30,921 * With his long wooden pipe Fuzzy, woolly toes * 1068 01:01:30,955 --> 01:01:33,891 * He lives in a hobbit hole And everybody knows him * 1069 01:01:33,924 --> 01:01:35,492 * -Bilbo - Bilbo * 1070 01:01:35,525 --> 01:01:37,127 * Bilbo Baggins 1071 01:01:37,161 --> 01:01:40,097 * He's only three feet tall 1072 01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:41,866 * -Bilbo - Bilbo * 1073 01:01:41,899 --> 01:01:43,167 * Bilbo Baggins 1074 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,970 * The bravest little hobbit of them all * 1075 01:01:47,304 --> 01:01:49,006 Captain? 1076 01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:50,450 * One day, Bilbo was asked to go... * 1077 01:01:50,474 --> 01:01:52,009 What in the name of... 1078 01:01:52,042 --> 01:01:53,443 * To the caves below 1079 01:01:53,477 --> 01:01:55,155 * To help some dwarfs get back their gold * 1080 01:01:55,179 --> 01:01:58,148 Am I... seeing things? 1081 01:01:58,182 --> 01:02:00,017 Not unless I am too. 1082 01:02:00,050 --> 01:02:01,385 * -Bilbo - Bilbo * 1083 01:02:01,418 --> 01:02:02,853 * Bilbo Baggins 1084 01:02:02,887 --> 01:02:05,022 * He's only three feet tall 1085 01:02:05,055 --> 01:02:07,291 What is it, Mr. Spock? 1086 01:02:07,324 --> 01:02:09,093 * Bilbo Baggins 1087 01:02:09,126 --> 01:02:11,395 * The bravest little hobbit of them all * 1088 01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:30,047 Having had only marginal success on NBC for three years, 1089 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,183 the show took on new life in syndication. 1090 01:02:33,217 --> 01:02:37,087 Gradually, the show and its audience found each other. 1091 01:02:37,121 --> 01:02:40,557 By the mid '70s, it was becoming a media event. 1092 01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:43,327 Thousands and thousands of new devotees 1093 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,995 sat in front of their TV sets 1094 01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:48,999 memorizing each episode's dialogue word for word. 1095 01:02:49,033 --> 01:02:54,138 Risk... risk is our business. 1096 01:02:54,171 --> 01:02:56,173 "That's what this starship is all about. 1097 01:02:56,206 --> 01:03:00,077 "That's why we're aboard her. 1098 01:03:00,110 --> 01:03:05,315 "Dr. McCoy is right to point out the enormous risk involved 1099 01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:08,986 "with interaction between any two alien species, 1100 01:03:09,019 --> 01:03:11,421 but the potential..." 1101 01:03:14,859 --> 01:03:17,537 There's something that I became aware of in doing my research very recently 1102 01:03:17,561 --> 01:03:19,196 called The Slash Fantasy, 1103 01:03:19,229 --> 01:03:22,166 the Kirk-Spock slash fantasy. 1104 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:26,036 And there's a phenomenal edited video on YouTube. 1105 01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:28,839 And some fan, somebody's taken a lot of footage 1106 01:03:28,873 --> 01:03:32,276 of Kirk and Spock out of context from "The Original Series" 1107 01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:35,479 to show this homo-erotic relationship between them, 1108 01:03:35,512 --> 01:03:38,282 and it's pretty damn compelling. 1109 01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:53,363 At conventions, I saw slash zines 1110 01:03:53,397 --> 01:03:56,934 with illustrations done by very good artists 1111 01:03:56,967 --> 01:04:02,539 and they were much, much more explicit between Kirk and Spock. 1112 01:04:02,572 --> 01:04:06,276 It's a matter of who is looking at it, 1113 01:04:06,310 --> 01:04:07,677 from what perspective, 1114 01:04:07,711 --> 01:04:14,985 and from the perspective of gay people seeing that is eye opening. 1115 01:04:15,019 --> 01:04:19,489 They see the gay passion, the gay attraction, 1116 01:04:19,523 --> 01:04:24,094 and the gay anguish depicted in those scenes. 1117 01:04:35,672 --> 01:04:38,275 At my first convention in 1972, 1118 01:04:38,308 --> 01:04:40,177 I walked into a hall so crowded 1119 01:04:40,210 --> 01:04:42,646 the thunderous wall of noise that greeted me 1120 01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:44,949 took me completely by surprise. 1121 01:04:44,982 --> 01:04:49,186 For several seconds, I literally could not speak because of the emotion. 1122 01:04:49,219 --> 01:04:53,057 One of the things that I really respect about your dad was, 1123 01:04:53,090 --> 01:04:55,025 I guess, his love and affection for the fans 1124 01:04:55,059 --> 01:04:58,362 and how he always had time and energy. 1125 01:04:58,395 --> 01:05:00,406 You know, going to conventions and meeting people... 1126 01:05:00,430 --> 01:05:02,332 You know, I'm blown away 1127 01:05:02,366 --> 01:05:08,138 by how much love there is for your father. 1128 01:05:08,172 --> 01:05:10,074 It was an entirely new concept, 1129 01:05:10,107 --> 01:05:14,378 this gathering of fans to celebrate "Trek" for a weekend. 1130 01:05:14,411 --> 01:05:16,146 The organizers crossed their fingers 1131 01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:19,249 and hoped for 500 attendees. 1132 01:05:19,283 --> 01:05:21,385 They got 3,000. 1133 01:05:22,586 --> 01:05:25,422 We went to one "Star Trek" convention. 1134 01:05:25,455 --> 01:05:28,625 I think it was in LA, but I'm not sure. 1135 01:05:28,658 --> 01:05:29,693 I think you're right. 1136 01:05:29,726 --> 01:05:31,962 Yeah, it was a wild place. 1137 01:05:31,996 --> 01:05:33,739 I remember them having to get us out the back door. 1138 01:05:33,763 --> 01:05:34,731 Right. 1139 01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:38,235 Oh, okay. What was that like? 1140 01:05:38,268 --> 01:05:39,268 Wild. 1141 01:06:02,259 --> 01:06:04,099 I think "Star Trek" fans have sort of pioneered 1142 01:06:04,128 --> 01:06:06,196 the whole cos-play culture which now exists 1143 01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:07,707 where, you know, you go to any convention, 1144 01:06:07,731 --> 01:06:10,634 and people are dressed up as a multitude of things 1145 01:06:10,667 --> 01:06:15,072 from the most obscure to the most popular. 1146 01:06:15,105 --> 01:06:21,211 I've been blown away going to now these conventions for a number of years, 1147 01:06:21,245 --> 01:06:24,748 seeing what people are able, and willing, and, you know, 1148 01:06:24,781 --> 01:06:27,251 what they commit to dress up as and do, 1149 01:06:27,284 --> 01:06:29,486 and it's unbelievable. 1150 01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:31,621 We thought they were crazy. 1151 01:06:39,629 --> 01:06:42,099 I'm here. I'm really here. I can't believe it. 1152 01:06:42,132 --> 01:06:45,202 My first "Star Trek" convention. Watch your back. Here we go. 1153 01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:51,708 So much stuff. 1154 01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:56,346 Really cool. 1155 01:07:02,586 --> 01:07:04,221 Whoa. 1156 01:07:06,256 --> 01:07:07,391 Wow. 1157 01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:12,129 Spock, status report? 1158 01:07:12,162 --> 01:07:15,699 Pollux IV, class M type planet, oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere. 1159 01:07:15,732 --> 01:07:19,136 Sensors indicate no life forms. 1160 01:07:19,169 --> 01:07:23,340 In all respects, quite ordinary, Captain. 1161 01:07:23,373 --> 01:07:26,510 Bobak, I want you to tell me a little bit about your history with "Star Trek", 1162 01:07:26,543 --> 01:07:28,011 how it's affected your life. 1163 01:07:28,044 --> 01:07:30,847 I would say it's probably one of the biggest reasons why I work at NASA. 1164 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,383 I mean, honestly, like, you know, seeing this "Star Trek," 1165 01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:35,585 you know, this vision of the future 1166 01:07:35,619 --> 01:07:39,389 is one of the reasons why I work there today. 1167 01:07:39,423 --> 01:07:44,128 Seeing a future where people from all different cultures and backgrounds 1168 01:07:44,161 --> 01:07:44,994 were working together. 1169 01:07:45,028 --> 01:07:46,468 You know, the betterment of humanity. 1170 01:07:46,496 --> 01:07:50,367 I think that was a vision of the future that I wanted to help create. 1171 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,403 If "Star Trek" was the vision of the future that I wanted to create, 1172 01:07:53,437 --> 01:07:57,174 Spock was the internalization of the kind of person that I felt like I was. 1173 01:07:57,207 --> 01:07:59,243 You know, as someone who was from two cultures, 1174 01:07:59,276 --> 01:08:01,711 you know, Iranian father, an American mother, 1175 01:08:01,745 --> 01:08:05,549 I saw in Spock, you know, that same conflict, I guess, 1176 01:08:05,582 --> 01:08:07,717 of, "Which one am I? Am I both?" 1177 01:08:07,751 --> 01:08:10,654 Is there a happy medium of the two?" 1178 01:08:10,687 --> 01:08:14,524 But also at the same time, I saw that he was accepted 1179 01:08:14,558 --> 01:08:17,827 by his, you know, colleagues. 1180 01:08:17,861 --> 01:08:20,130 Spock stood for a lot of different things. 1181 01:08:20,164 --> 01:08:23,533 He stood for intelligence, integrity. 1182 01:08:23,567 --> 01:08:26,903 He stood for the idea of really searching for truth, 1183 01:08:26,936 --> 01:08:29,573 for figuring out how things really work. 1184 01:08:29,606 --> 01:08:31,875 That is the underpinning of science, really. 1185 01:08:31,908 --> 01:08:36,913 So I think for a lot of people, Spock was representative of science itself, 1186 01:08:36,946 --> 01:08:41,151 of using the human mind to overcome kind of the forces of chaos 1187 01:08:41,185 --> 01:08:42,819 and make sense of things. 1188 01:08:42,852 --> 01:08:45,422 That really resonates with a lot of people here, I would say. 1189 01:08:45,455 --> 01:08:46,456 It certainly did with me. 1190 01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:49,293 And I knew the minute I read "Star Trek" books, 1191 01:08:49,326 --> 01:08:52,262 that was the character I most wanted to emulate with my career. 1192 01:08:52,296 --> 01:08:55,165 Spock was a scientist. 1193 01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,368 Now, for me, I knew I liked science before "Star Trek." 1194 01:08:58,402 --> 01:09:02,839 So Spock and I resonated, I think, uh... 1195 01:09:02,872 --> 01:09:08,345 in a way that surely helped, but didn't initiate my interest. 1196 01:09:08,378 --> 01:09:12,582 But I wonder if the slow but real appreciation 1197 01:09:12,616 --> 01:09:14,918 for what science is and why it matters 1198 01:09:14,951 --> 01:09:17,787 that I see manifesting today, 1199 01:09:17,821 --> 01:09:20,224 whether it owes its origin 1200 01:09:20,257 --> 01:09:22,526 to that series, to that character. 1201 01:09:28,232 --> 01:09:30,300 - Are you a "Star Trek" fan? - Yes. 1202 01:09:30,334 --> 01:09:32,802 - How long have you been a fan? - A hundred years. 1203 01:09:32,836 --> 01:09:35,372 A hundred years "Star Trek" fan, okay. 1204 01:09:37,841 --> 01:09:40,444 You've had your own connection to "Star Trek." 1205 01:09:40,477 --> 01:09:42,746 You've directed "Star Trek" episodes. 1206 01:09:42,779 --> 01:09:46,250 But before that, you were an entertainment attorney. 1207 01:09:46,283 --> 01:09:48,428 What was that all about? What got you into that in the first place? 1208 01:09:48,452 --> 01:09:52,289 You know, it's very difficult when you are the son of a celebrity 1209 01:09:52,322 --> 01:09:55,659 and somebody who becomes a pop culture icon, 1210 01:09:55,692 --> 01:09:57,761 to try to create your own identity, 1211 01:09:57,794 --> 01:09:59,863 to find out who you are in essence. 1212 01:09:59,896 --> 01:10:03,300 And so, this was my way of really creating my own path. 1213 01:10:03,333 --> 01:10:05,835 He was very proud of the fact that I went to law school, 1214 01:10:05,869 --> 01:10:08,004 and I started practicing law. 1215 01:10:08,037 --> 01:10:10,006 But after seven years of practicing, 1216 01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:12,509 it became very clear to me that this was not something 1217 01:10:12,542 --> 01:10:14,019 I wanted to do for the rest of my life. 1218 01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:18,582 I didn't have the passion for it that I thought was important. 1219 01:10:18,615 --> 01:10:20,484 That was really Dad's whole philosophy was 1220 01:10:20,517 --> 01:10:22,486 you have to have a passion for what you do. 1221 01:10:22,519 --> 01:10:25,555 Otherwise, it's just work, and it's not fulfilling. 1222 01:10:25,589 --> 01:10:30,360 My dad was very sympathetic about my desire to make a career change 1223 01:10:30,394 --> 01:10:33,330 and even helped me, trained me as a director. 1224 01:10:33,363 --> 01:10:35,732 He and I actually made an episode 1225 01:10:35,765 --> 01:10:37,200 of "The Outer Limits" together. 1226 01:10:37,233 --> 01:10:41,405 We were remaking an episode that he was originally in in the early '60s 1227 01:10:41,438 --> 01:10:43,473 in which he had a supporting role. 1228 01:10:43,507 --> 01:10:46,410 Your design and your construction are nothing short of genius, 1229 01:10:46,443 --> 01:10:49,913 but even you must understand that you're basically a takeoff 1230 01:10:49,946 --> 01:10:54,318 on the thoughts and feelings that Dr. Link programmed into you. 1231 01:10:54,351 --> 01:10:58,888 A man suffers, a man bleeds, a man has a soul. 1232 01:10:58,922 --> 01:11:01,625 I could snap your neck as if it were a toothpick. 1233 01:11:01,658 --> 01:11:04,794 In that sense, you're right. I'm not like most men. 1234 01:11:04,828 --> 01:11:07,764 But like most men, I choose not to. 1235 01:11:07,797 --> 01:11:09,566 Let me go. 1236 01:11:14,804 --> 01:11:17,741 "The Motion Picture" 1237 01:11:17,774 --> 01:11:22,479 rightly begins in London where my wife and I were vacationing in 1975. 1238 01:11:22,512 --> 01:11:26,950 We went to see Henry Fonda who was performing on stage in "Darrow." 1239 01:11:26,983 --> 01:11:29,953 After the performance, we joined him and his wife for dinner. 1240 01:11:29,986 --> 01:11:32,322 At some point during the conversation, Henry said, 1241 01:11:32,356 --> 01:11:34,066 "You know, Leonard, I hope you're being paid 1242 01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:36,560 for all those billboards around town." 1243 01:11:36,593 --> 01:11:39,028 "What billboards, Henry?" 1244 01:11:39,062 --> 01:11:43,467 "Do you mean to tell me you don't know about all those Heineken billboards?" 1245 01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:46,870 Now, I'd seen my Spock image used commercially before, 1246 01:11:46,903 --> 01:11:49,038 such as on a box of Kellogg's Corn Flakes. 1247 01:11:49,072 --> 01:11:53,109 I'd been amused by it, finding it campy and even flattering. 1248 01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:55,779 Once "Star Trek" was canceled, 1249 01:11:55,812 --> 01:12:01,017 Paramount had no legal right to license my likeness from that time on. 1250 01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:03,687 So not only had Paramount been marketing me as Spock 1251 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,756 for almost 10 years without the right to do so, 1252 01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:11,595 for the last five of those 10, they hadn't sent me any of the proceeds. 1253 01:12:11,628 --> 01:12:14,798 I wound up having to file a lawsuit. 1254 01:12:14,831 --> 01:12:16,933 They wanted to make this movie. 1255 01:12:16,966 --> 01:12:19,002 And Bob Weiss had it in his contract 1256 01:12:19,035 --> 01:12:21,381 that they would make their best efforts to get me in the movie. 1257 01:12:21,405 --> 01:12:23,106 And my agent would call me and say, 1258 01:12:23,139 --> 01:12:24,517 "They wanna talk to you about the 'Star Trek' movie." And I would say... 1259 01:12:24,541 --> 01:12:27,944 "When we settle the lawsuit, I'll talk about acting in their movie," 1260 01:12:27,977 --> 01:12:30,747 because I thought that's my leverage. 1261 01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:32,649 So that went on for some time. 1262 01:12:32,682 --> 01:12:36,886 And... finally, I got a call 1263 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,688 from a guy who introduced himself to me. 1264 01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:40,624 He said, "My name is Jeff Katzenberg", 1265 01:12:40,657 --> 01:12:42,726 and I've just gone to work for Paramount." 1266 01:12:42,759 --> 01:12:47,163 And I was acting in "Equus" on Broadway at the time in New York. 1267 01:12:47,196 --> 01:12:50,099 So there goes little Jeffrey off trotting to New York... 1268 01:12:50,133 --> 01:12:53,970 to say to him, "You've got to put the ears back on." 1269 01:12:54,003 --> 01:12:55,939 So I went, and I saw the show, 1270 01:12:55,972 --> 01:12:58,107 and after the show, we went to Joe Allen's. 1271 01:12:58,141 --> 01:13:02,646 I said to him, "We're going to make the movie." 1272 01:13:02,679 --> 01:13:04,781 "Those ears are going on. 1273 01:13:04,814 --> 01:13:08,952 "They're either going on you, or they're actually going to go on somebody else, 1274 01:13:08,985 --> 01:13:11,020 "but they are going to go on. 1275 01:13:11,054 --> 01:13:16,059 And how badly will you feel when you didn't put them on?" 1276 01:13:16,092 --> 01:13:20,730 The big leverage that he always had beginning with these movies 1277 01:13:20,764 --> 01:13:24,934 was that Paramount Pictures needed him, 1278 01:13:24,968 --> 01:13:27,937 and they couldn't make a "Star Trek" movie without him. 1279 01:13:27,971 --> 01:13:29,473 Finally, my lawyer called. 1280 01:13:29,506 --> 01:13:34,210 "Look, Paramount is actually showing some willingness to reach an agreement." 1281 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:37,213 "Will you read the script if they settle the lawsuit?" 1282 01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:38,948 "Yes." 1283 01:13:38,982 --> 01:13:41,918 Four days later, on a Friday evening, the lawsuit settled. 1284 01:13:41,951 --> 01:13:44,688 My lawyer came to my house with a check. 1285 01:13:44,721 --> 01:13:47,123 An hour later, the script arrived. 1286 01:13:47,156 --> 01:13:50,193 I sat down and read it through that night. 1287 01:13:50,226 --> 01:13:51,995 Leonard Nimoy was the last person 1288 01:13:52,028 --> 01:13:56,500 to join the movie cast and was asked why he was a hold out. 1289 01:13:56,533 --> 01:13:58,077 I don't think it was a question of hold out. 1290 01:13:58,101 --> 01:14:02,105 We've had a long and... complicated relationship, 1291 01:14:02,138 --> 01:14:04,974 I mean, Paramount and myself, for the last couple of years. 1292 01:14:05,008 --> 01:14:06,843 And probably the thing that took the most time 1293 01:14:06,876 --> 01:14:09,045 is the fact that the mail service 1294 01:14:09,078 --> 01:14:11,815 between here and Vulcan is still pretty slow. 1295 01:14:19,789 --> 01:14:21,457 Spock. 1296 01:14:23,593 --> 01:14:27,631 Making that first movie was very, very dis-spiriting, 1297 01:14:27,664 --> 01:14:29,132 very depressing. 1298 01:14:29,165 --> 01:14:31,167 We had a bad script, bad script. 1299 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,136 It just never worked. It was always a struggle 1300 01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:37,040 to try to figure out how to bring some life to this... project. 1301 01:14:38,174 --> 01:14:43,747 And, um, we did our best, but I never... 1302 01:14:43,780 --> 01:14:48,752 The pendulum swung completely when that first movie came along 1303 01:14:48,785 --> 01:14:52,622 from being an actor and character-oriented "Star Trek" 1304 01:14:52,656 --> 01:14:54,691 to an effects-oriented "Star Trek." 1305 01:14:54,724 --> 01:14:56,802 And the feeling was, "Oh, we didn't have the money before." 1306 01:14:56,826 --> 01:14:59,071 Now we've got the money, we've got to give them a big effects movie." 1307 01:14:59,095 --> 01:15:01,707 So it was all about the ship, the ship, and this effect, and that effect, 1308 01:15:01,731 --> 01:15:03,091 and we're going through this thing. 1309 01:15:06,636 --> 01:15:08,237 Now, we're going through that thing. 1310 01:15:10,006 --> 01:15:12,776 Nothing about the characters. 1311 01:15:12,809 --> 01:15:16,913 So it was frustrating, and depressing, and, uh, very painful. 1312 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:32,629 Khan. 1313 01:15:33,663 --> 01:15:36,232 Khan! 1314 01:15:36,265 --> 01:15:41,037 In "Star Trek II," the lure that Harve Bennett gave him was, 1315 01:15:41,070 --> 01:15:44,307 "You're going to have the greatest death scene of all time." 1316 01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:46,042 Spock, no! 1317 01:15:54,651 --> 01:15:56,720 I thought that was the final "Star Trek" movie, 1318 01:15:56,753 --> 01:15:58,698 and when they said to me, "How about a death scene?" 1319 01:15:58,722 --> 01:16:00,600 I thought, "Why not? If this is the end of 'Star Trek, '" 1320 01:16:00,624 --> 01:16:02,668 "let's get out in a blaze of glory saving the Enterprise. 1321 01:16:02,692 --> 01:16:05,629 You know, be a hero and die." 1322 01:16:09,699 --> 01:16:11,768 Live long... 1323 01:16:12,636 --> 01:16:13,903 and prosper. 1324 01:16:32,421 --> 01:16:35,759 Sooner than I realized, it was over. 1325 01:16:35,792 --> 01:16:37,627 No. 1326 01:16:37,661 --> 01:16:41,130 I stripped off the ears, the makeup, the uniform, 1327 01:16:41,164 --> 01:16:43,633 and so Spock gradually disappeared, 1328 01:16:43,667 --> 01:16:46,770 leaving behind only Leonard Nimoy. 1329 01:16:48,705 --> 01:16:51,641 Never again the raised eyebrow. 1330 01:16:51,675 --> 01:16:55,779 Never again the delicious teasing of the irascible doctor 1331 01:16:55,812 --> 01:17:00,049 or the offering of logic to my impetuous friend and captain. 1332 01:17:00,083 --> 01:17:03,319 Never again the mind meld, the neck pinch, 1333 01:17:03,352 --> 01:17:05,822 or the Vulcan salute and blessing, 1334 01:17:05,855 --> 01:17:08,024 live long and prosper. 1335 01:17:08,057 --> 01:17:13,162 I asked myself, "What have I done?" 1336 01:17:13,196 --> 01:17:15,875 Well, of course, they put in a little footage at the end of the movie 1337 01:17:15,899 --> 01:17:19,135 that suggested that this might not be the end of Spock. 1338 01:17:19,168 --> 01:17:22,672 I'm sorry, Doctor. I have no time to discuss this logically. 1339 01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:28,411 Remember. 1340 01:17:28,444 --> 01:17:29,746 And they came to me, sure enough, 1341 01:17:29,779 --> 01:17:31,681 after the picture opened and did business, 1342 01:17:31,715 --> 01:17:34,017 and they called me in for a meeting. 1343 01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:35,928 They said, "We'd like to know if you'd like to be involved in another 'Star Trek' movie?" 1344 01:17:35,952 --> 01:17:37,721 And I said, "Yes, I'd like to direct it." 1345 01:17:37,754 --> 01:17:42,391 I remember distinctly one night I got a phone call from him. 1346 01:17:42,425 --> 01:17:45,061 And he said he'd been on the phone with Michael Eisner, 1347 01:17:45,094 --> 01:17:48,431 and that Michael Eisner was trying to talk him out of directing, 1348 01:17:48,464 --> 01:17:50,867 making his directing debut 1349 01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:54,704 directing himself in a feature film and so forth. 1350 01:17:54,738 --> 01:17:59,208 And he was asking me... He was soliciting my advice. 1351 01:17:59,242 --> 01:18:02,178 I said, "Well, it's really very simple." 1352 01:18:02,211 --> 01:18:07,817 Are you prepared to let this ship sail without you?" 1353 01:18:07,851 --> 01:18:09,285 And he said, "Oh, absolutely." 1354 01:18:09,318 --> 01:18:12,221 I said, "Then sit tight You're going to direct the movie." 1355 01:18:12,255 --> 01:18:15,859 My Lord, the ship appears to be deserted. 1356 01:18:15,892 --> 01:18:18,361 How can that be? They're hiding. 1357 01:18:18,394 --> 01:18:22,231 Yes, sir, but the bridge seems to be run by a computer. 1358 01:18:22,265 --> 01:18:23,733 It is the only thing speaking. 1359 01:18:23,767 --> 01:18:25,168 Speaking? 1360 01:18:26,269 --> 01:18:27,871 Let me hear. 1361 01:18:27,904 --> 01:18:33,509 Nine, eight, seven, six, five... 1362 01:18:33,542 --> 01:18:35,344 Get out! 1363 01:18:35,378 --> 01:18:36,913 Get out of there! 1364 01:18:36,946 --> 01:18:39,749 I got a call before the movie opened from Jeff Katzenberg, 1365 01:18:39,783 --> 01:18:42,285 who was head of production at Paramount at the time, 1366 01:18:42,318 --> 01:18:44,187 and he said, "We want you to make another one." 1367 01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:47,090 And I said, "You know, this one that I just finished, 'Star Trek III'," 1368 01:18:47,123 --> 01:18:49,458 I said, "They had a pretty tight choke chain on me", 1369 01:18:49,492 --> 01:18:50,994 "controlling what I was doing, 1370 01:18:51,027 --> 01:18:52,371 "and making me answer for everything, 1371 01:18:52,395 --> 01:18:55,431 and explain everything that I was doing, and justify everything." 1372 01:18:55,464 --> 01:18:57,801 And he said... I'll never forget. He was wonderful. 1373 01:18:57,834 --> 01:18:59,468 He said, "The training wheels are off. 1374 01:18:59,502 --> 01:19:02,939 We want you to make your 'Star Trek' movie." 1375 01:19:02,972 --> 01:19:05,775 Well, if it isn't Robin Hood and Friar Tuck. 1376 01:19:06,976 --> 01:19:08,477 Where are you fellas heading? 1377 01:19:09,913 --> 01:19:12,448 Back to San Francisco. 1378 01:19:12,481 --> 01:19:15,952 Came all of the way down here just to jump in and swim with the kiddies, huh? 1379 01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:19,823 Very little point in my trying to explain. 1380 01:19:19,856 --> 01:19:22,458 Well, yeah, I'll buy that. What about him? 1381 01:19:22,491 --> 01:19:24,794 Him? He's harmless. 1382 01:19:24,828 --> 01:19:28,097 Back in the '60s, he was part of the free speech movement at Berkeley. 1383 01:19:29,532 --> 01:19:32,068 I think he did a little too much LDS. 1384 01:19:32,101 --> 01:19:35,104 - LDS? - Mm-hmm. 1385 01:19:35,138 --> 01:19:36,940 Come on. Why don't you let me give you a lift? 1386 01:19:36,973 --> 01:19:40,343 We had our first read-through at your house on Kashmir. 1387 01:19:40,376 --> 01:19:44,380 And there was... He had the whales' song playing for us. 1388 01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:47,550 And I knew then how much this project meant to him 1389 01:19:47,583 --> 01:19:49,185 on a personal level. 1390 01:19:49,218 --> 01:19:51,220 He was trying to get us to get it, 1391 01:19:51,254 --> 01:19:54,357 which to me, transcends doing another "Star Trek" film. 1392 01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:58,227 Although, in fact, it actually is what "Star Trek" has always been about, 1393 01:19:58,261 --> 01:20:01,430 which is meaningful issues about how to live. 1394 01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:05,568 * Just where is our future? The things we've done and said * 1395 01:20:05,601 --> 01:20:08,604 * Let's just push the button We'd be better off dead * 1396 01:20:08,637 --> 01:20:10,506 * 'Cause I hate you 1397 01:20:10,539 --> 01:20:12,075 Excuse me. 1398 01:20:12,108 --> 01:20:14,510 * And I berate you 1399 01:20:14,543 --> 01:20:16,179 Excuse me. 1400 01:20:16,212 --> 01:20:18,514 Would you mind stopping that noise? 1401 01:20:23,052 --> 01:20:25,154 * The only choice we're given is how many megatons * 1402 01:20:25,188 --> 01:20:26,489 Excuse me. 1403 01:20:26,522 --> 01:20:29,058 Would you mind stopping that damn noise? 1404 01:20:29,092 --> 01:20:31,394 * And I say screw you 1405 01:20:31,427 --> 01:20:35,298 * And I hope you're blue too 1406 01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:46,275 "Star Trek IV" was one of the highlights of Dad's career, 1407 01:20:46,309 --> 01:20:48,344 really part of the pinnacle of his career, 1408 01:20:48,377 --> 01:20:51,547 because immediately after that came "Three Men and a Baby." 1409 01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:53,349 The making of "Three Men and a Baby" 1410 01:20:53,382 --> 01:20:56,585 was a magical time where everything came together beautifully. 1411 01:20:56,619 --> 01:20:59,322 I felt enormously fortunate to be involved with the project. 1412 01:20:59,355 --> 01:21:00,323 Nice job, Pete. 1413 01:21:00,356 --> 01:21:03,326 You know, the "LA Times" came out with an article 1414 01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:05,294 when that movie came out, and it was a hit 1415 01:21:05,328 --> 01:21:08,064 the winter season, the holiday season of '87. 1416 01:21:08,097 --> 01:21:12,168 "LA Times" talked about the fact that the hit from the previous holiday season 1417 01:21:12,201 --> 01:21:15,371 was a feature film entitled "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home," 1418 01:21:15,404 --> 01:21:18,574 and that both of those films happened to be directed by the same guy. 1419 01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:20,709 Then came "The Good Mother", 1420 01:21:20,743 --> 01:21:23,913 and my relationship with my father hit an all-time low. 1421 01:21:23,947 --> 01:21:25,381 And you've left her alone with him? 1422 01:21:25,414 --> 01:21:28,060 Well, of course I have. She likes him. They have fun together, Brian. 1423 01:21:28,084 --> 01:21:29,618 Well, ask him about the fun, Anna. 1424 01:21:29,652 --> 01:21:31,663 Well, what are you suggesting, Brian, that he did something wrong with Molly? 1425 01:21:31,687 --> 01:21:33,156 - He did, Anna. - Well, he didn't. 1426 01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:35,258 She told me. She's told the shrink. 1427 01:21:35,291 --> 01:21:37,036 - He did it, Anna! - No, Brian, he didn't do it! 1428 01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:38,461 You ask him! And you let him! 1429 01:21:38,494 --> 01:21:41,197 By the time filming of "The Good Mother" wrapped, 1430 01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:44,367 I felt the same way I had at the end of shooting "Three Men and a Baby." 1431 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,571 I thought, "Boy, this could be even more of a rocket ride than 'Three Men.'" 1432 01:21:48,604 --> 01:21:52,441 And it was a rocket ride, all right... straight down. 1433 01:21:52,475 --> 01:21:54,277 Box office was disappointing, 1434 01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:58,214 and the film soon disappeared from the theaters. 1435 01:21:58,247 --> 01:22:02,318 I started drinking regularly, ritually, 1436 01:22:02,351 --> 01:22:05,554 during probably the second year or third year of our series. 1437 01:22:05,588 --> 01:22:09,225 The ritual became so ingrained and so important to me, 1438 01:22:09,258 --> 01:22:13,462 because I looked forward to that release at the end of the pressure of the day 1439 01:22:13,496 --> 01:22:18,001 with the dialogue, and the pace, and get 15 pages or 12 pages done today, 1440 01:22:18,034 --> 01:22:19,368 and all of that sort of thing. 1441 01:22:19,402 --> 01:22:22,305 And the minute we finished the last shot, I would have a drink. 1442 01:22:22,338 --> 01:22:24,240 And then it became a series of drinks. 1443 01:22:24,273 --> 01:22:26,651 And little by little, before I knew it, I was drinking more and more 1444 01:22:26,675 --> 01:22:28,677 because my addictive personality was taking over. 1445 01:22:28,711 --> 01:22:32,581 It was the martinis, you know, getting a drink when he'd come home, 1446 01:22:32,615 --> 01:22:34,483 having a couple drinks. 1447 01:22:34,517 --> 01:22:38,654 And, uh... you know, while it made him more relaxed, 1448 01:22:38,687 --> 01:22:41,357 he also shut down. 1449 01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:45,995 The habit grew to the power that it did in my later years 1450 01:22:46,029 --> 01:22:49,398 because I didn't have that thought, "I'm young. I still have a distance to go." 1451 01:22:49,432 --> 01:22:53,236 Which is a devilish part of the disease. 1452 01:22:53,269 --> 01:22:57,106 The 1980's were a very difficult time for my dad. 1453 01:22:57,140 --> 01:23:00,476 His parents had recently died, my grandparents, 1454 01:23:00,509 --> 01:23:03,046 within six months of each other. 1455 01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:04,656 My dad was going through a very complicated 1456 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,515 and difficult divorce from my mother. 1457 01:23:06,549 --> 01:23:08,617 They had been married for 32 years. 1458 01:23:08,651 --> 01:23:09,918 It was also about this time 1459 01:23:09,952 --> 01:23:12,688 that there was a lot of head-banging between the two of us. 1460 01:23:12,721 --> 01:23:15,324 There were a lot of old issues that were coming up, 1461 01:23:15,358 --> 01:23:18,661 and there were a number of fights between us. 1462 01:23:18,694 --> 01:23:22,365 He was also drinking. A lot of this was fueled by alcohol. 1463 01:23:22,398 --> 01:23:25,034 And quite frankly, I was still getting high at the time, 1464 01:23:25,068 --> 01:23:28,171 and that was certainly not helping matters between us. 1465 01:23:29,838 --> 01:23:32,275 "There's one major area that I should touch on" 1466 01:23:32,308 --> 01:23:34,277 "before coming to a conclusion," 1467 01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:36,445 "competition with my father." 1468 01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,216 "This was easy for me in strangely painful way." 1469 01:23:40,249 --> 01:23:43,819 "My father never earned more than a $150 a week." 1470 01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:47,656 "I realize that competition with me is very tough." 1471 01:23:47,690 --> 01:23:49,758 "I am very loud and verbal." 1472 01:23:49,792 --> 01:23:54,197 "Also I have been very lucky, made good money, and I'm famous." 1473 01:23:55,398 --> 01:23:56,799 "That's a lot tougher to deal with" 1474 01:23:56,832 --> 01:24:00,236 "than me competing against 150-dollar a week barber." 1475 01:24:02,371 --> 01:24:06,109 A lot of the problems that I had with my dad were not that dissimilar 1476 01:24:06,142 --> 01:24:08,511 from problems that other fathers and sons experience. 1477 01:24:10,646 --> 01:24:12,815 The difference is that my dad was adored 1478 01:24:12,848 --> 01:24:15,818 by millions of fans all over the world. 1479 01:24:15,851 --> 01:24:21,390 And oftentimes, I felt like I was competing with them for his love and attention. 1480 01:24:21,424 --> 01:24:26,462 And sometimes, I honestly felt like I was losing the battle. 1481 01:24:26,495 --> 01:24:30,666 After we would have one of these incredible knock-down, drag-out fights, 1482 01:24:30,699 --> 01:24:36,605 I would go out into the world and be confronted by images of Spock everywhere. 1483 01:24:38,341 --> 01:24:41,244 * I want to know what you're feeling * 1484 01:24:41,277 --> 01:24:44,647 * Tell me what's on your mind 1485 01:24:52,688 --> 01:24:53,688 Pure energy. 1486 01:24:56,659 --> 01:24:58,361 Pure energy. 1487 01:25:04,767 --> 01:25:08,604 In 1989, Dad and Susan got married, 1488 01:25:08,637 --> 01:25:11,207 and his domestic life started to get much better. 1489 01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,742 She was a real stabilizing force for him. 1490 01:25:13,776 --> 01:25:17,146 And he was very happy with her, and they were very devoted to each other. 1491 01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:20,683 It was at this period of time, he told me later on, 1492 01:25:20,716 --> 01:25:23,852 that he was really happy with his life, 1493 01:25:23,886 --> 01:25:28,224 and yet didn't really understand why he was still drinking. 1494 01:25:28,257 --> 01:25:32,461 And it was at that point that he started to really, seriously look 1495 01:25:32,495 --> 01:25:34,830 at what was happening with his life. 1496 01:25:34,863 --> 01:25:38,501 And he made his decision to go into his own recovery. 1497 01:26:06,562 --> 01:26:09,832 My first images were photographed with this camera 1498 01:26:09,865 --> 01:26:11,567 and enlarged with this camera 1499 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,637 and with about 20 cents worth of Kodak supplies. 1500 01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:18,941 And I just became fascinated with the ability 1501 01:26:18,974 --> 01:26:21,610 to create an image, something that you could hold, 1502 01:26:21,644 --> 01:26:24,280 an object you could hold in your hand, and there it is. 1503 01:26:24,313 --> 01:26:25,514 Something I shot this morning, 1504 01:26:25,548 --> 01:26:26,925 and tonight, I have the picture in my hand. 1505 01:26:26,949 --> 01:26:30,219 I could hang it on my wall, or give it to my family, or whatever. 1506 01:26:30,253 --> 01:26:31,253 That was the beginning. 1507 01:26:56,044 --> 01:26:59,248 Although Dad started taking pictures at an early age, 1508 01:26:59,282 --> 01:27:02,251 he continued this hobby throughout his life. 1509 01:27:02,285 --> 01:27:04,653 He would often take portraits of me and Julie, 1510 01:27:04,687 --> 01:27:07,990 and some of those ended up in the poetry books he published. 1511 01:27:52,034 --> 01:27:53,836 James T. Kirk. 1512 01:27:53,869 --> 01:27:56,539 Along came J.J. Abrams 1513 01:27:56,572 --> 01:27:58,574 who found a way to crack it open 1514 01:27:58,607 --> 01:28:00,809 to an entirely new and different audience. 1515 01:28:06,615 --> 01:28:09,752 Who the hell am I to tell Leonard Nimoy what Spock should do? 1516 01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:12,054 But it's my job, so I'm doing the best I can. 1517 01:28:12,087 --> 01:28:14,457 But I was amazed at how open he was. 1518 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:18,627 Leonard was okay with the idea of this new incarnation of "Star Trek." 1519 01:28:18,661 --> 01:28:24,500 It set a tone on the set even beyond the days that Leonard was working. 1520 01:28:24,533 --> 01:28:27,035 You didn't have to know all about "Star Trek." 1521 01:28:27,069 --> 01:28:28,413 You could come and enjoy this movie 1522 01:28:28,437 --> 01:28:31,374 as a person who had never seen anything of "Star Trek" before. 1523 01:28:31,407 --> 01:28:32,808 - Fascinating. - What? 1524 01:28:32,841 --> 01:28:34,419 Okay, I'm sure you're just doing your job, 1525 01:28:34,443 --> 01:28:36,345 but could you not come a wee bit sooner? 1526 01:28:36,379 --> 01:28:39,014 Six months I've been here living off Star Fleet protein nibs 1527 01:28:39,047 --> 01:28:40,883 and the promise of a good meal. 1528 01:28:40,916 --> 01:28:42,394 Myself, Leonard, and Chris shared a trailer 1529 01:28:42,418 --> 01:28:46,054 when we were shooting the stuff when they discover Scotty on the planet. 1530 01:28:46,088 --> 01:28:48,824 And it was quite far from the circus, from the unit base, 1531 01:28:48,857 --> 01:28:52,428 so we had a trailer that we just sat in, and we shared. 1532 01:28:52,461 --> 01:28:53,838 And we were shooting really late at night. 1533 01:28:53,862 --> 01:28:55,874 It was, like, you know, 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. 1534 01:28:55,898 --> 01:28:58,000 And Chris, Leonard, and I were just sat in this... 1535 01:28:58,033 --> 01:29:01,003 And Leonard was in his full Spock regalia, ears. 1536 01:29:01,036 --> 01:29:03,539 We had the big sort of like winter coat on and stuff, 1537 01:29:03,572 --> 01:29:06,542 and he sat upright, and he went to sleep. 1538 01:29:06,575 --> 01:29:11,013 And he, uh, was just sat there just quietly snoring. 1539 01:29:11,046 --> 01:29:14,116 And Chris and I were just looking at each other like, 1540 01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:16,619 "That's Spock, and he snores." 1541 01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,755 We were shooting a scene, and Leonard was walking, 1542 01:29:19,788 --> 01:29:26,695 and he fell... and he landed, and he cut and broke his nose. 1543 01:29:26,729 --> 01:29:28,531 Um... 1544 01:29:28,564 --> 01:29:32,768 So the feeling that, you know, you have 1545 01:29:32,801 --> 01:29:37,072 when someone that you care about as much as I did, of course, gets hurt, 1546 01:29:37,105 --> 01:29:39,074 it's a horrible feeling. 1547 01:29:39,107 --> 01:29:41,577 When you've wounded Spock, uh... 1548 01:29:41,610 --> 01:29:44,413 you just wanna... you know, kill yourself. 1549 01:29:44,447 --> 01:29:46,649 It's just... It was... It was horrible. 1550 01:29:46,682 --> 01:29:49,652 And we're trying to figure out what we're gonna do for the rest of the day, 1551 01:29:49,685 --> 01:29:52,521 and I hear, like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, we're going to keep going." 1552 01:29:52,555 --> 01:29:53,832 And it was Leonard who was like, 1553 01:29:53,856 --> 01:29:55,357 "We're just gonna keep shooting." 1554 01:29:55,390 --> 01:30:00,128 And I'm thinking, "Is he out of his fucking mind? He just broke his nose." 1555 01:30:00,162 --> 01:30:02,064 And Leonard was like, "Let's keep going." 1556 01:30:02,097 --> 01:30:04,967 And we finished, and no one ever heard this story publicly 1557 01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,002 until you and I had this conversation. 1558 01:30:10,939 --> 01:30:12,741 Speak your mind, Spock. 1559 01:30:15,744 --> 01:30:17,713 That would be unwise. 1560 01:30:17,746 --> 01:30:21,049 Mine is a very different Spock than your dad's. 1561 01:30:21,083 --> 01:30:25,954 I was really fortunate to be able to explore even more than your dad, 1562 01:30:25,988 --> 01:30:28,457 because as entertainment evolved, 1563 01:30:28,491 --> 01:30:30,626 as narration evolved, as story-telling evolved 1564 01:30:30,659 --> 01:30:32,094 over the intervening decades 1565 01:30:32,127 --> 01:30:35,664 between when he created the role and when I assumed it, 1566 01:30:35,698 --> 01:30:39,702 I think that it opened up a little bit more space 1567 01:30:39,735 --> 01:30:42,505 for us to get in and play with that. 1568 01:30:45,774 --> 01:30:47,910 Mr. Spock. 1569 01:30:47,943 --> 01:30:52,481 Sharing that with him, and discussing it, and exploring it 1570 01:30:52,515 --> 01:30:55,618 through the context of our personal relationship, 1571 01:30:55,651 --> 01:30:58,854 that was probably one of the most creatively satisfying aspects 1572 01:30:58,887 --> 01:31:02,858 of assuming a role that had already been established so firmly 1573 01:31:02,891 --> 01:31:04,860 and created so boldly. 1574 01:31:04,893 --> 01:31:06,194 No pun intended. 1575 01:31:06,228 --> 01:31:11,734 Should I choose to complete the Vulcan discipline of Kolinahr 1576 01:31:11,767 --> 01:31:13,969 and purge all emotion... 1577 01:31:15,838 --> 01:31:19,174 I trust you will not feel it reflects judgment upon you. 1578 01:31:21,810 --> 01:31:25,781 Oh, Spock... 1579 01:31:25,814 --> 01:31:29,217 as always, whatever you choose to be... 1580 01:31:30,318 --> 01:31:33,055 you will have a proud mother. 1581 01:31:33,088 --> 01:31:37,125 Every time he goes into a negative place, 1582 01:31:37,159 --> 01:31:39,294 he starts being a little bit of a pessimist, 1583 01:31:39,327 --> 01:31:45,601 um, he allows Uhura and Kirk to snap him out of it. 1584 01:31:45,634 --> 01:31:47,703 And I really like that. 1585 01:31:47,736 --> 01:31:51,674 He's just... He's a man to me. Like, Spock is really a man. 1586 01:31:51,707 --> 01:31:53,676 Even though he's half alien, it's like... 1587 01:31:53,709 --> 01:31:56,912 He could have been... I don't know, half anything, 1588 01:31:56,945 --> 01:32:00,983 but he's still very much... natural. 1589 01:32:07,289 --> 01:32:10,225 What do you need? Tell me. 1590 01:32:10,258 --> 01:32:12,127 Tell me. 1591 01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,097 I thought that was a perfect example 1592 01:32:15,130 --> 01:32:17,332 of the evolution of the character, 1593 01:32:17,365 --> 01:32:19,902 of painting him in a different light 1594 01:32:19,935 --> 01:32:24,607 and seeing that there is this capacity for feeling, 1595 01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,309 for emotion, for intimacy, for connection. 1596 01:32:27,342 --> 01:32:29,077 It's still regulated. 1597 01:32:29,111 --> 01:32:32,247 It's still within the boundaries or the parameters 1598 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:34,216 of what it means to be Vulcan. 1599 01:32:38,687 --> 01:32:40,088 Father. 1600 01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,766 I am not our father. 1601 01:32:57,940 --> 01:33:00,643 There are so few Vulcans left, 1602 01:33:00,676 --> 01:33:03,111 we cannot afford to ignore each other. 1603 01:33:03,145 --> 01:33:06,915 Spock, in this case, do yourself a favor. 1604 01:33:08,316 --> 01:33:11,987 Put aside logic. Do what feels right. 1605 01:33:17,726 --> 01:33:21,029 Since my customary farewell would appear oddly self-serving, 1606 01:33:21,063 --> 01:33:24,967 I shall simply say... good luck. 1607 01:33:27,836 --> 01:33:29,037 Dad was really happy 1608 01:33:29,071 --> 01:33:31,206 to be in the new incarnation of "Star Trek." 1609 01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:34,009 It was a high point for him. 1610 01:33:34,042 --> 01:33:36,979 But much like Spock's problems with his father, 1611 01:33:37,012 --> 01:33:39,915 my relationship with my father was still very troubled. 1612 01:33:39,948 --> 01:33:42,317 My first officer, Commander Spock. 1613 01:33:42,350 --> 01:33:44,086 Vulcan honors us with your presence. 1614 01:33:44,119 --> 01:33:45,821 We come to serve. 1615 01:33:48,957 --> 01:33:50,859 Your service honors us, Captain. 1616 01:33:50,893 --> 01:33:52,194 Thank you. 1617 01:33:55,363 --> 01:33:59,802 Around 2006, we were just about completely estranged from one another. 1618 01:33:59,835 --> 01:34:02,404 Old issues were flaring up. 1619 01:34:02,437 --> 01:34:05,107 And, um, I was at a low point in my life. 1620 01:34:05,140 --> 01:34:07,142 I had just ended an 18-year marriage, 1621 01:34:07,175 --> 01:34:11,446 and I had decided to go into my own 12-step recovery. 1622 01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,182 And it was a real difficult time for the two of us. 1623 01:34:14,216 --> 01:34:15,951 And basically, for three or four years, 1624 01:34:15,984 --> 01:34:18,053 we had very, very little communication. 1625 01:34:18,086 --> 01:34:22,825 By around 2008, we started to talk again, and reconnect again, 1626 01:34:22,858 --> 01:34:26,829 and really came back together in our relationship with each other. 1627 01:34:30,232 --> 01:34:34,737 I had met Martha in a doctor's office, and she was... 1628 01:34:34,770 --> 01:34:36,071 Uh, she was my age, 1629 01:34:36,104 --> 01:34:41,376 and she was very sweet, fun, attractive woman, 1630 01:34:41,409 --> 01:34:43,746 and I started dating her regularly. 1631 01:34:43,779 --> 01:34:46,081 And I mean, I was so much happier having Martha 1632 01:34:46,114 --> 01:34:48,283 that I married her. 1633 01:34:51,053 --> 01:34:53,288 Four and a half months after we were married, 1634 01:34:53,321 --> 01:34:56,158 Martha was diagnosed with terminal cancer. 1635 01:35:08,170 --> 01:35:09,404 The weird thing was for me, 1636 01:35:09,437 --> 01:35:12,307 and I was really kind of conscious of it now in retrospect, 1637 01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:17,780 was that in 2004, when I left my 18-year marriage, 1638 01:35:17,813 --> 01:35:20,248 and moved out of my house, and left my kids behind for one. 1639 01:35:20,282 --> 01:35:22,317 I mean, it was a real low point in my life. 1640 01:35:22,350 --> 01:35:25,921 I didn't even call my dad. He wasn't even on the list, because of our period of, 1641 01:35:25,954 --> 01:35:28,356 you know, beginning of the estrangement period. 1642 01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:32,427 But when I was able to pull myself back together, 1643 01:35:32,460 --> 01:35:34,462 after I got that phone call from the doctor, 1644 01:35:34,496 --> 01:35:37,032 the first phone call I made... 1645 01:35:37,065 --> 01:35:38,500 Was to your dad. 1646 01:35:41,269 --> 01:35:44,139 I just... It still. It just overwhelms me now 1647 01:35:44,172 --> 01:35:47,242 that we could get to that point where he could be my go-to guy. 1648 01:35:47,275 --> 01:35:48,310 Yeah. 1649 01:35:48,343 --> 01:35:49,988 And in the next 18 months of my life with Martha, 1650 01:35:50,012 --> 01:35:55,350 which were, you know, probably the most challenging possibly in my entire life, 1651 01:35:55,383 --> 01:35:58,921 my dad and Susan were there every step of the way 1652 01:35:58,954 --> 01:36:01,289 to support me and keep me going. 1653 01:36:03,959 --> 01:36:08,563 And after that, my dad and I never again... looked back 1654 01:36:08,596 --> 01:36:12,134 at the wreckage from our past, ever. 1655 01:36:16,939 --> 01:36:20,442 "So here we are. You're a man, an individual, 1656 01:36:20,475 --> 01:36:24,346 "very bright, talented, goal-oriented, sensitive, 1657 01:36:24,379 --> 01:36:27,449 "and a lot of other good things. 1658 01:36:27,482 --> 01:36:31,486 "Above all, I want you to know that you are priceless to me. 1659 01:36:31,519 --> 01:36:35,123 I'm proud of you, and I deeply love you. Your father." 1660 01:36:46,401 --> 01:36:49,437 My life has become much, much more about family. 1661 01:36:49,471 --> 01:36:52,040 I used to... The way I describe it now was 1662 01:36:52,074 --> 01:36:55,978 I used to major in career and minor in family. 1663 01:36:56,011 --> 01:36:57,221 And now, I've turned it around. 1664 01:36:57,245 --> 01:37:00,115 I'm much more majoring in family and minoring in career. 1665 01:37:00,148 --> 01:37:03,151 I do an occasional pop-up thing here and there for friends, 1666 01:37:03,185 --> 01:37:04,953 but mostly, I'm dealing with my family. 1667 01:37:04,987 --> 01:37:08,423 With dad marrying our step-mom, Susan, 1668 01:37:08,456 --> 01:37:11,493 she and Aaron became a part of our family. 1669 01:37:11,526 --> 01:37:15,263 She was great in the fact that she showed Dad 1670 01:37:15,297 --> 01:37:18,133 that being with your children and your grandchildren, 1671 01:37:18,166 --> 01:37:21,069 it's very important. 1672 01:37:21,103 --> 01:37:23,872 You need to be a part of their life. 1673 01:37:23,906 --> 01:37:26,975 And let's bring everybody together. 1674 01:37:27,009 --> 01:37:29,411 Let's... Let's have a big family unit, 1675 01:37:29,444 --> 01:37:31,179 and we have a big family. 1676 01:37:32,614 --> 01:37:34,358 In the last years of his life were the times that 1677 01:37:34,382 --> 01:37:35,559 the family got together at the house 1678 01:37:35,583 --> 01:37:40,322 for any variety of occasions from birthdays to holidays. 1679 01:37:40,355 --> 01:37:42,290 Leonard was a very even-keeled guy. 1680 01:37:42,324 --> 01:37:43,926 He didn't always show a lot of emotion 1681 01:37:43,959 --> 01:37:49,631 but I'd say those times at which he would toast the family at those gatherings 1682 01:37:49,664 --> 01:37:53,902 were the times I maybe saw him express the most emotion. 1683 01:37:53,936 --> 01:37:56,138 He was so grateful to have everybody there. 1684 01:37:56,171 --> 01:37:58,549 He was grateful to feel the love from everybody that was there. 1685 01:37:58,573 --> 01:38:03,011 And he was grateful to be able to love the family the way that he did 1686 01:38:03,045 --> 01:38:04,965 and provide for the family the way that he could. 1687 01:38:34,176 --> 01:38:37,679 The day Leonard died, I, uh... 1688 01:38:37,712 --> 01:38:39,647 He was in a coma, 1689 01:38:39,681 --> 01:38:43,251 and I, uh, leaned over and said to him... 1690 01:38:51,326 --> 01:38:53,962 "You made the world stand up and listen." 1691 01:38:55,097 --> 01:38:57,665 And I'd swear he nodded his head. 1692 01:41:39,161 --> 01:41:42,197 What I admired about Leonard 1693 01:41:42,230 --> 01:41:46,668 was his willingness to love his family, 1694 01:41:46,701 --> 01:41:50,638 and because I was on the periphery of it, I got that love. 1695 01:41:50,672 --> 01:41:53,741 It made him a wonderful actor in the work we did. 1696 01:41:53,775 --> 01:41:56,244 And I think it made him a mensch, 1697 01:41:56,278 --> 01:41:58,146 probably a word you're going to hear a lot. 1698 01:41:58,180 --> 01:41:59,614 Mensch. 1699 01:41:59,647 --> 01:42:05,320 A mensch is someone who's responsible, and disciplined, 1700 01:42:05,353 --> 01:42:06,588 and you can count on. 1701 01:42:06,621 --> 01:42:09,324 He was just this stable force in my life, 1702 01:42:09,357 --> 01:42:11,459 and I knew I could always count on him. 1703 01:42:11,493 --> 01:42:13,895 He was the mensch of mensches. 1704 01:42:13,928 --> 01:42:18,700 He was loved and adored by, I think, everybody on the set. 1705 01:42:18,733 --> 01:42:24,406 To create a character who leaves a mark on the society, 1706 01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,742 that strikes a chord that resonates, 1707 01:42:27,775 --> 01:42:29,711 Leonard Nimoy did that. 1708 01:42:29,744 --> 01:42:32,880 If there was a word you would use to sum up or describe 1709 01:42:32,914 --> 01:42:36,851 either my dad as an individual or as Spock, the character, 1710 01:42:36,884 --> 01:42:39,421 what would that be for you? 1711 01:42:39,454 --> 01:42:41,565 The first word that springs to mind for both of them actually 1712 01:42:41,589 --> 01:42:43,658 is, I would say, is noble. 1713 01:42:43,691 --> 01:42:44,892 There was something about... 1714 01:42:44,926 --> 01:42:48,530 There's definitely something about Spock which is very noble. 1715 01:42:48,563 --> 01:42:52,334 He's obviously a man of massive integrity and conviction. 1716 01:42:52,367 --> 01:42:56,704 If I had to pick one word, it would be dignity. 1717 01:42:56,738 --> 01:42:57,905 Artist. 1718 01:42:57,939 --> 01:42:58,840 Integrity. 1719 01:42:58,873 --> 01:43:00,308 Human. 1720 01:43:00,342 --> 01:43:03,478 He was a self-made renaissance man, 1721 01:43:03,511 --> 01:43:07,949 but he had a ubiquitous curiosity 1722 01:43:07,982 --> 01:43:10,618 about everything going on in the world, 1723 01:43:10,652 --> 01:43:13,388 whether it was art, photography, politics. 1724 01:43:13,421 --> 01:43:14,589 Logical. 1725 01:43:14,622 --> 01:43:16,258 Humble. 1726 01:43:16,291 --> 01:43:17,392 Hope. 1727 01:43:17,425 --> 01:43:20,262 Cool. Spock was cool. 1728 01:43:20,295 --> 01:43:24,999 I think a little bit of Spock needs to be behind every important decision 1729 01:43:25,032 --> 01:43:29,337 we make in our lives, about ourselves, or with regard to others. 1730 01:43:29,371 --> 01:43:31,773 The first word that does come to mind is loving. 1731 01:43:31,806 --> 01:43:33,408 Love. 1732 01:43:33,441 --> 01:43:36,944 If it's free association, then it's definitely just love. 1733 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,315 What's yours? 1734 01:44:54,055 --> 01:44:55,957 All right. I got it. 1735 01:44:55,990 --> 01:45:00,995 * Didn't know what time it was And the lights were low * 1736 01:45:01,028 --> 01:45:05,933 * I leaned back on my radio 1737 01:45:05,967 --> 01:45:12,874 * Some cat was laying down some rock 'n' roll "Lot of soul," he said * 1738 01:45:12,907 --> 01:45:17,645 * Then the loud sound did seem to fade * 1739 01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:22,517 * Came back like a slow voice on a wave of phase * 1740 01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:26,788 * That weren't no DJ That was hazy cosmic jive * 1741 01:45:30,792 --> 01:45:35,963 * There's a starman waiting in the sky * 1742 01:45:35,997 --> 01:45:38,032 * He'd like to come and meet us * 1743 01:45:38,065 --> 01:45:40,468 * But he thinks he'd blow our minds * 1744 01:45:40,502 --> 01:45:45,440 * There's a starman waiting in the sky * 1745 01:45:45,473 --> 01:45:47,141 * He's told us not to blow it 1746 01:45:47,174 --> 01:45:49,511 * 'Cause he knows it's all worthwhile * 1747 01:45:49,544 --> 01:45:53,047 * He told me, "Let the children lose it * 1748 01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:58,019 * Let the children use it Let all the children boogie" * 1749 01:46:13,968 --> 01:46:18,806 * I had to phone someone so I picked on you * 1750 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:23,411 * Hey, that's far out So you heard him too? * 1751 01:46:23,445 --> 01:46:29,016 * Switch on the TV We may pick him up on Channel Two * 1752 01:46:30,552 --> 01:46:34,956 * Look out your window I can see his light * 1753 01:46:34,989 --> 01:46:39,894 * If we can sparkle he may land tonight * 1754 01:46:39,927 --> 01:46:44,932 * Don't tell your papa or he'll get us locked up in fright * 1755 01:46:48,202 --> 01:46:53,207 * There's a starman waiting in the sky * 1756 01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:55,610 * He'd like to come and meet us * 1757 01:46:55,643 --> 01:46:57,845 * But he thinks he'd blow our minds * 1758 01:46:57,879 --> 01:47:02,850 * There's a starman waiting in the sky * 1759 01:47:02,884 --> 01:47:04,919 * He's told us not to blow it 1760 01:47:04,952 --> 01:47:06,921 * 'Cause he knows it's all worthwhile * 1761 01:47:06,954 --> 01:47:10,725 * He told me, "Let the children lose it * 1762 01:47:10,758 --> 01:47:15,530 * Let the children use it Let all the children boogie" * 1763 01:47:15,563 --> 01:47:19,133 * There's a starman waiting in the sky * 1764 01:47:19,166 --> 01:47:21,769 * He'd like to come and meet us * 1765 01:47:21,803 --> 01:47:23,705 * But he thinks he'd blow our minds * 1766 01:47:23,738 --> 01:47:28,910 * There's a starman waiting in the sky * 1767 01:47:28,943 --> 01:47:30,778 * He's told us not to blow it 1768 01:47:30,812 --> 01:47:32,947 * 'Cause he knows it's all worthwhile * 1769 01:47:32,980 --> 01:47:36,718 * He told me, "Let the children lose it * 1770 01:47:36,751 --> 01:47:41,689 * Let the children use it, let all the children boogie" * 147526

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