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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,580 In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate 2 00:00:09,580 --> 00:00:10,680 equally important groups. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,940 The police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the 4 00:00:14,940 --> 00:00:16,900 offenders. These are their stories. 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,960 People accuse you of being ruthless in your investment philosophy, especially 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,320 considering... I'm the only one keeping these companies honest. 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,520 There's rampant mismanagement and waste in corporate America. 8 00:00:31,140 --> 00:00:33,540 Unearned bonuses, excessive salaries. 9 00:00:34,570 --> 00:00:39,790 When I buy a stake in a company, I become a watchdog. 10 00:00:40,070 --> 00:00:41,610 Some would say a rabid watchdog. 11 00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:44,230 Even better. 12 00:00:45,350 --> 00:00:48,030 But I'm doing it for the little guy. 13 00:00:48,970 --> 00:00:55,310 The cops, the teachers, the nurses, they own publicly traded stocks in their 14 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:57,570 401ks, in their IRAs. 15 00:00:58,970 --> 00:01:03,810 I keep the fat cats honest, make them justify decisions. 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,900 Their compensation. So you consider yourself a public servant? 17 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:09,220 No, no, no. 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:11,680 I'm a capitalist. 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,500 My goal is to make money for me and for all the other shareholders who put their 20 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:21,320 faith in the hands of executives running publicly traded companies. 21 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,100 Museum of Natural History. 22 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:30,260 Prosperity. Pushing for change in the name of the greater good. 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Big party. 24 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,560 No, no, no. Oh, God. 25 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:48,060 Oh, my God. 26 00:01:48,860 --> 00:01:49,860 No. 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,340 Vic Thomas Hardiman, 53. 28 00:01:56,660 --> 00:01:57,539 What happened? 29 00:01:57,540 --> 00:01:59,980 He was hit by a taxi, 20 .03 hours. 30 00:02:00,180 --> 00:02:01,860 Hit and run? More like hit and cry. 31 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:03,260 Driver's a blubbery mess. 32 00:02:03,620 --> 00:02:06,240 Said there was an altercation. Vic was shoved in front of the cab. 33 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:07,480 Did he see who did the shoving? 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,620 Nope. Was there a pastor in the taxi? A woman. 35 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:12,600 She was on the phone. Didn't see anything. 36 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,180 Could the driver give a description? 37 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:19,140 It was dark. Couldn't even say if it was a man or a woman. All he said was meet 38 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:21,780 and build, wearing some kind of brown hat, had a decent foot. 39 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:26,880 Okay. Pull all the Argus footage from the area, and since there was a 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,980 have the MLI check for third -party DNA on the Vic. Mm -hmm. 41 00:02:30,820 --> 00:02:32,080 Vic's got his phone here. 42 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:36,280 And this is a very fancy wallet, so I don't think we're looking at a robbery. 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,760 He lives at 1157 57th Street. It's near Billionaire's Row. 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,800 Got a wedding ring. 45 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:45,760 Let's go deliver the news. 46 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:47,940 Till death do us part. 47 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,680 It would be helpful to know where your husband was this evening, who he was 48 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,580 seeing? Uh, I wish I could help. 49 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,920 Tom and I have been separated about three months now. 50 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:56,060 Do you know what he was doing in the neighborhood where he was killed, West 51 00:03:56,060 --> 00:03:58,240 Street? Oh, that's by the Harvard Club. 52 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,440 Tom went there most nights around 8 or so. 53 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:07,860 And did your husband have any enemies, anyone who might have threatened him? 54 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,080 Do you know who Tom was? 55 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,400 What he did? 56 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,000 Well, his business card just said that he ran Broadchurch Investment Fund. 57 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,579 Tom wasn't just any investor. 58 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,120 He was an activist investor. 59 00:04:22,580 --> 00:04:23,580 What does that mean? 60 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,320 He buys a big stake, tells them not so nicely what they're doing wrong, how to 61 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,320 run their company. 62 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,200 Used to call those guys corporate raiders. 63 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,600 So, made money, not friends. 64 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Exactly. 65 00:04:35,210 --> 00:04:38,310 How about recently? Did he get into it with anyone in particular? 66 00:04:38,730 --> 00:04:40,610 I have not kept up on his date today. 67 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:42,590 His girlfriend might know. 68 00:04:43,010 --> 00:04:44,010 His girlfriend? 69 00:04:44,170 --> 00:04:45,710 Some professor up at Hudson. 70 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:47,310 I don't have a name. 71 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:49,390 Sometimes it's better not to know. 72 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:50,930 And what about you? 73 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:55,970 What were you doing tonight around 8 p .m.? I was at my book club. 74 00:04:57,030 --> 00:05:01,430 Ten women married to fund managers. We all have a lot of downtime. 75 00:05:02,370 --> 00:05:03,390 Okay, well, we're... 76 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,120 We're going to ask you to send us some names. 77 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Court. 78 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,920 I can't believe he's really gone. 79 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:12,420 If you think of anything else. 80 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:22,840 We looked at the university social media. Tom Hardiman was a guest lecturer 81 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,360 your class a few months ago, and I guess you two hit it off. 82 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:28,280 I never meant to fall in love. 83 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,200 There's no one like Tom. 84 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:33,380 Fearless thinker in an age of cowardly groupthink. 85 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:38,000 What's a billionaire investor doing giving a lecture at a college? No 86 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:43,160 I teach information asymmetry. How knowledge translates into economic 87 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,600 So how were things between you two? 88 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,240 We made each other very happy. 89 00:05:49,020 --> 00:05:50,920 Did you see Hardiman last night? 90 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,960 No. I was stuck on campus meeting with students. You can talk to security. 91 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,940 Was he receiving any threats? 92 00:05:58,300 --> 00:05:59,960 Some people hated him. 93 00:06:00,830 --> 00:06:04,990 or hated the way that he challenged them, challenged their rigid, old 94 00:06:04,990 --> 00:06:07,910 ways. He liked to say he could fill a country with his enemies. 95 00:06:08,690 --> 00:06:09,690 Got any names? 96 00:06:09,810 --> 00:06:11,270 No, he never took them seriously. 97 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:13,050 We have to get moving. 98 00:06:14,390 --> 00:06:15,850 Okay, well, if you think of anything, 99 00:06:16,630 --> 00:06:20,090 any chance your husband found out about the relationship? 100 00:06:20,490 --> 00:06:21,109 Of course. 101 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:23,670 I told Mark it's why I filed for divorce. 102 00:06:26,050 --> 00:06:27,050 Nice. 103 00:06:27,490 --> 00:06:29,110 All right, that text I got? 104 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:33,220 They found third -party DNA under Hardiman's nails and on his jacket. 105 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,280 Any hits in CODIS? Nope, but it's male. 106 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:37,060 I said we talked to the jilted husband. 107 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,740 Ariana told me she was in love. 108 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:47,320 Hell, I was glad she told me. Truth is freeing. And if Ariana wants out, that's 109 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,320 her right. 110 00:06:49,380 --> 00:06:53,020 Pretty then for the guy who called Tom Hardiman over a dozen times in the past 111 00:06:53,020 --> 00:06:55,800 week. Look, I want her to sit down with the man, face to face. 112 00:06:56,300 --> 00:07:00,500 That jackass was paying for her divorce lawyer, bankrolling her custody site. If 113 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:04,300 I'm being ferociously honest, that sounds like motive. 114 00:07:04,780 --> 00:07:06,060 I got nothing to hide. 115 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:10,740 We met for lunch, and I told Hardiman exactly what I thought of him. Oh, 116 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:14,200 How'd that go? Things get ugly? They turn physical at all? 117 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,900 They probably would have, but some nut job beat me to it. 118 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,320 What does that mean? 119 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,820 Hardiman was heading for the exit. Some guy comes up, starts grabbing at him, 120 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,700 taking swings, so... 121 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:27,370 I just watched and enjoyed the show. 122 00:07:28,770 --> 00:07:30,870 Okay, you got an alibi for 8 p .m. last night? 123 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:35,530 Yeah, I was leading a seminar on the Lower East Side, finding your truth. 124 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:37,750 You should come sometime. 125 00:07:42,690 --> 00:07:48,490 Hey, so our life coach husband was telling the truth. 62 people were 126 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:52,650 be ferociously honest for 180 bucks a pop while Tom Hardiman was getting 127 00:07:52,650 --> 00:07:53,650 in front of a cab. 128 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:57,220 I bet ferocious honesty kills more people per year than cigarettes. 129 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,380 Yeah, and when my wife and I got back together, we had one agreement. No 130 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:02,600 questions, no confessions about our time apart. 131 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:06,740 What you don't know can't hurt you, and what you don't say can't be used in a 132 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:07,740 custody battle. 133 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:12,560 Hey, so I pulled that video you asked for from the restaurant. Take a look. 134 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,760 There's no match in facial rec, but there was a patch on his jacket. 135 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Okay, let's... 136 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,100 Do a little digging and see if anyone was trashing Hardiman at Mercy Hospital. 137 00:08:25,340 --> 00:08:26,340 Yeah. 138 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:31,560 A couple posts on social media here. Hashtag Mercy Hospital. Hashtag Tom 139 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,080 Hardiman. This one from Carlos Guzman, who seems to be a nurse. 140 00:08:35,940 --> 00:08:38,059 This one's a gem from a couple days ago. 141 00:08:39,659 --> 00:08:43,880 Tom Hardiman has blood on his hands. Time for retribution. 142 00:08:49,969 --> 00:08:51,550 COO said he worked on the fifth floor? 143 00:08:51,770 --> 00:08:54,530 On Mondays, yeah, he's on the sixth floor the other four days. 144 00:08:56,590 --> 00:08:57,790 Wait a minute, is that our guy right there? 145 00:08:59,050 --> 00:09:00,050 Looks like it. 146 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:03,150 Carlos Guzman, NYPD, we need to talk to you. 147 00:09:04,750 --> 00:09:05,750 He's gonna ram it. 148 00:09:20,330 --> 00:09:21,650 All right, all right, don't move, don't move. 149 00:09:23,350 --> 00:09:24,490 Don't look so surprised. 150 00:09:25,870 --> 00:09:26,870 Good coming with us. 151 00:09:33,250 --> 00:09:36,610 I told you I got nothing to do with any murder. Sit down, okay? 152 00:09:37,090 --> 00:09:41,350 Sit. You took swings at Tom Hardiman outside of Midtown Beach, and two days 153 00:09:41,350 --> 00:09:42,350 later he's dead. 154 00:09:42,390 --> 00:09:43,890 You understand why we have questions? 155 00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:45,310 What's your beef with the guy anyway? 156 00:09:46,050 --> 00:09:47,470 Why the need for retribution? 157 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,460 Hardeman's Fund, uh... Broadchurch Investments. 158 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,920 They bought a big -ass stake in the hospital chain I work for. 159 00:09:56,420 --> 00:09:59,000 No one told us. It's not like we're reading financial news. 160 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,020 But all of a sudden, there's a new head of hospital. 161 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:04,240 Then half the trauma ward gets fired. 162 00:10:04,460 --> 00:10:05,500 So he downsized. 163 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,640 Must have ticked you off. 164 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:08,900 What ticked me off? 165 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:12,580 Empty supply closets. No pain meds for patients. 166 00:10:12,820 --> 00:10:16,120 No ventilators. The nursing staff couldn't even get protective gear. 167 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:17,740 And so you wanted him dead. 168 00:10:18,250 --> 00:10:19,970 I wanted to expose him. 169 00:10:20,410 --> 00:10:22,150 People need to know the truth. 170 00:10:22,390 --> 00:10:25,030 That's very noble, but we think there's something more personal. 171 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:29,490 We happen to know that your mother died at Mercy Hospital two months after 172 00:10:29,490 --> 00:10:30,490 Hardeman took over. 173 00:10:31,270 --> 00:10:36,070 And that would piss me off if I found out that some suits budget cuts led to 174 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:37,730 mom not getting the care that she needed. 175 00:10:38,810 --> 00:10:43,810 Carlos, where were you last night around 8 p .m.? At the bedside of a 28 -year 176 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:47,230 -old who died because we didn't have a goddamn ventilator. 177 00:10:47,550 --> 00:10:49,890 Ask his wife, his parents. 178 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:52,370 We're two young children. 179 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,310 We will look into that. 180 00:10:59,810 --> 00:11:03,290 Whoever offed Tom Hardiman saved lives. 181 00:11:03,810 --> 00:11:04,890 Did good. 182 00:11:12,950 --> 00:11:14,450 Guzman's alibi checks out. 183 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:18,150 He's kind of a hero over at Mercy, so I think we ought to cut him loose before 184 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:20,610 that nursing staff storms his place. Okay, do it. 185 00:11:21,390 --> 00:11:24,570 These hedge funds are pillaging our health care system. 186 00:11:24,950 --> 00:11:28,350 We're also going after newspapers, toy companies, anything. 187 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:32,570 As long as there's a green rainbow at the end. Maybe we should look into some 188 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:36,010 Hardeman's other investments, see if there's anyone who feels as passionately 189 00:11:36,010 --> 00:11:40,050 Guzman. Well, according to the Wall Street Journal, Hardeman's latest 190 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:41,710 was Wellpoint Therapeutics. 191 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:46,500 There's a ton of articles predicting a brutal showdown between Hardiman and 192 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:47,500 Wellpoint's CEO. 193 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,300 I'm looking at Hardiman's calendar. 194 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,140 The last meeting he had on the day he was killed was at Wellpoint. 195 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,120 Let's go. 196 00:11:57,260 --> 00:12:00,840 I was shocked to hear about Tom. He's such a young man. 197 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,000 You had a meeting with him on the day he was killed? 198 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Yeah, we met right here. 199 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,800 Anything strange about the meeting? Any arguments? 200 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:10,180 I'll save you from barking up that tree. 201 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,380 Despite the press hoopla about a looming showdown between us, our meeting was 202 00:12:15,380 --> 00:12:16,380 cordial. 203 00:12:17,020 --> 00:12:20,120 Don't believe everything you read. So he wasn't trying to pillage your company? 204 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:26,700 No. Well, he bought a 24 % stake, got himself a seat on the board, had some 205 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:31,560 thoughts he wanted to share, asked me for a one -on -one to present his ideas, 206 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:32,519 and I agreed. 207 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,700 And? And it was a pleasant, productive conversation. 208 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,300 Mr. Munson, your conference call is about to begin. 209 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:46,860 Ah, yes. Yes. Thank you. I'm sorry. My assistant will see you. Just one last 210 00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:51,080 thing for protocol. Where were you last night at 8 p .m.? I was at home reading 211 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,740 a bedtime story to my grandkids. 212 00:12:53,740 --> 00:12:55,060 We should all be so blessed. 213 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:57,460 Okay. Thank you. 214 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:02,940 Munson mentioned that his meeting was a one -on -one. 215 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,280 But in Hardeman's calendar, he mentions that he met with someone else from the 216 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,000 company by the name of Kevin Goodall? 217 00:13:08,420 --> 00:13:09,760 Sure. He's our head of research. 218 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,720 Well, Hardeman wanted it to be just the two of them, but I insisted on 219 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,220 attending. And why is that? 220 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,080 Norm founded this company 40 years ago. 221 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,620 He devoted his time and capital into researching cures for rare diseases, 222 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:27,680 whereas Tom Hardeman, thank you, is a high -end pickpocket in a Brioni suit, 223 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,480 trying to tell Norman Munson. 224 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,480 who started as a doctor and is one of the pioneers of drug research, how to 225 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,940 his pharmaceutical business? 226 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:38,060 Huh. Be arrogant. 227 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,860 So, yeah, I wanted to be there. 228 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:44,520 Sounds like maybe things got a little heated. 229 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,760 No. 230 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:50,200 No, Norm is a class act. 231 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:52,080 He refused to take the bait. 232 00:13:52,860 --> 00:13:56,820 Eventually, Hardeman backed off, and the whole thing stayed pleasantly 233 00:13:56,820 --> 00:13:57,820 professional. 234 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,960 Did Hardeman seem distracted or stressed? 235 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:02,760 I don't know the guy's baseline. 236 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:08,160 But the meeting was shorter than I would have anticipated. 237 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,420 I thought he would have stuck around and pressed his points. 238 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,560 It took about 30 minutes or so. Then he ran out of here like he had a plane to 239 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:16,620 catch. What time was that? 240 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:21,240 6 .30. Do you know where he was going? No, he wasn't the chatty type. 241 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,040 Okay, well, just so we can cross you off the list, where were you last night at 242 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:26,839 8 p .m.? 243 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,220 I was at home with my wife, telling her what a clown Hardeman is. 244 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,400 Was. 245 00:14:35,740 --> 00:14:40,800 Just got off the phone with Goodall's wife. She confirms he was home at 8, and 246 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,140 Munson's family corroborates his version of events. 247 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,180 I got a video of Hardeman leaving well -pointed 6 .30, like Goodall said. 248 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,480 He's pacing. 249 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:52,180 Looks like he's yelling at somebody on his phone, and then he heads off down 250 00:14:52,180 --> 00:14:53,440 street, and we lose him on the cameras. 251 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:57,740 And according to his call log, at 6 .38, he called a number registered to 252 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:59,120 Preston Cain four times. 253 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:00,580 Who's Preston Cain? 254 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,440 He's the chairman of Wellpoint Therapeutics. 255 00:15:09,460 --> 00:15:12,740 Yes, I got a couple calls, but I didn't pick up, and I was out when Tom appeared 256 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:15,140 on my doorbell cam. Do you know why he came by? 257 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Hardeman had a one -track mind. Every call and meeting was about the same 258 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:20,960 He wanted to fire Norman Munson. 259 00:15:21,530 --> 00:15:22,229 Why is that? 260 00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:23,330 Change the company's focus. 261 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:26,370 Redirect our R &D to big market, high profit therapies. 262 00:15:26,610 --> 00:15:28,670 Well, that sounds like Hardiman's M -home. It is. 263 00:15:29,050 --> 00:15:30,990 Except the Wellpoint board loves Norm. 264 00:15:31,310 --> 00:15:32,410 Everyone loves Norm. 265 00:15:32,810 --> 00:15:35,750 Despite the company's lackluster financial results the past few years. 266 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:38,910 So Hardiman wanted him fired, but the board wasn't having it? 267 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:41,930 A couple board members were on the fence, but you're correct. 268 00:15:42,270 --> 00:15:45,190 Hardiman was never going to get the votes he needed. It was driving him 269 00:15:45,970 --> 00:15:48,050 Why so much love for Norm Munson? 270 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:52,830 Look, it's not the most popular concept these days, but Munson believes there 271 00:15:52,830 --> 00:15:54,750 are things more important than profit. 272 00:15:55,190 --> 00:15:57,050 He believes in a greater good. 273 00:15:57,410 --> 00:16:01,350 Hardiman called you four times, and one of the calls lasted 17 seconds. Are you 274 00:16:01,350 --> 00:16:02,350 sure he didn't reach you? 275 00:16:02,850 --> 00:16:07,190 He left a voicemail. I finally got what I need. Norm Munson is a goner. 276 00:16:21,740 --> 00:16:22,740 Ryan Elliott. 277 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,820 I'm Detective Riley. This is Lieutenant Brady, NYPD. 278 00:16:26,540 --> 00:16:28,880 We were told you worked closely with Tom Hardiman. 279 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,840 Yeah, until he fired me yesterday. 280 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:39,180 Don't worry. I was throwing back Patron shots with a half dozen colleagues when 281 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:40,360 Hardiman hit the pavement. 282 00:16:41,140 --> 00:16:44,480 Sound really broken up about it. What can I say? Guy was a prick. 283 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,380 The thing that really gets to me, though, is I knew it. 284 00:16:49,850 --> 00:16:53,030 but tried to convince myself that he was actually a decent human being. 285 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:57,330 What do you know about Hardiman's relationship with Norman Munson? He 286 00:16:57,330 --> 00:17:01,710 man. He spent 50 % of his time trying to fire his ass. Already had his successor 287 00:17:01,710 --> 00:17:02,710 picked out, too. 288 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:04,790 Hardiman chose Munson's successor? 289 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:06,710 Kind of a three -year business plan. 290 00:17:06,950 --> 00:17:09,230 He shared it with the board. Munson knew about this. 291 00:17:09,490 --> 00:17:10,550 He sure did. 292 00:17:11,329 --> 00:17:12,650 But he didn't care. 293 00:17:13,410 --> 00:17:15,230 Told Hardiman to kiss his ass. 294 00:17:16,109 --> 00:17:19,630 Well, apparently Hardeman left a voicemail with WellPoint's chairman of 295 00:17:19,630 --> 00:17:20,890 board. Preston Kane. 296 00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:24,930 Yeah, something about how he finally had what he needed to get Munson fired, 297 00:17:25,030 --> 00:17:27,010 like he had some smoking gun. 298 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:30,970 And 30 minutes or so later, he was dead, so we think there's some connection. 299 00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:35,350 Whatever Hardeman discovered might have triggered someone to kill him. I wish I 300 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:38,710 could help you, but I don't know anything about that. 301 00:17:39,630 --> 00:17:40,630 Sorry. 302 00:17:42,550 --> 00:17:45,150 Okay, well, thank you for your time. 303 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,480 Well, one thing's clear. Munson lied to us when he told us that meeting with 304 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,040 Hardiman ended in some sort of gentleman's agreement. 305 00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:59,780 Sounds like that one -on -one wasn't quite as friendly as he suggested, huh? 306 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,100 Yeah, maybe he's not as warm and cuddly as he looks. 307 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,980 Even a teddy bear's gonna get its back up when some young hotshot's trying to 308 00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:07,400 fire him from his own damn company. 309 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:09,720 Sounds like motive. 310 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:11,980 Yeah, but I mean, what? 311 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Munson's 70? 312 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:15,900 He doesn't seem like a killer type to me. 313 00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:19,120 And his family said that he was home at the time of the murder. Maybe they're 314 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,880 covering for him. Just pull more video from the Wellpoint offices in the crime 315 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,660 scene. We just need one shot of Munson, hopefully wearing a brown hat. 316 00:18:27,020 --> 00:18:28,600 And then we can get a warrant for his DNA. 317 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:32,380 What's going on here? 318 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,640 Sorry, sir, are you going to step aside? This is my company. Step aside. Kevin 319 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,260 Goodall, we need to talk. 320 00:18:38,740 --> 00:18:42,320 We found video of you at the crime scene and your DNA on the victim. She needs 321 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,320 to run to arrest for murder. 322 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,500 You have the right to remain silent. Kevin, what's going on? Don't talk to 323 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,680 anyone, Norm. I don't understand. Say nothing to anyone. 324 00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:56,580 Can't wait. 325 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,280 Hey, I gotta go. 326 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,680 Yep, I feel it. 327 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:09,600 You have no poker face, Nolan. 328 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:12,180 It's the mystery woman, isn't it? 329 00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:15,700 You're clearly smitten. No comment. 330 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,240 Just give me something. 331 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,560 How you met? What she does? 332 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:22,920 She is a psychiatrist. 333 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:25,320 Don't say it. 334 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,180 No, I won't. 335 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,220 Because I can think of absolutely no reason for you to be seeing a 336 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:32,700 How'd the arraignment go? 337 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,520 Judge Romano granted bail. 338 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:36,140 On a murder to charge? 339 00:19:36,460 --> 00:19:39,900 Yeah. Defense rattled off Goodall's resume. He's got a... 340 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Awards from the NIH, CDC, MD, PhD in pharmacology, member of the MAA, an 341 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,920 community member who has never so much as gotten speeding tickets. 342 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,200 Not our first golden boy murderer. 343 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:54,240 Yeah. How's our evidence? 344 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,640 Video showing Goodall leaving Wellpoint at 7 .30 p .m., heading in the direction 345 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,340 of the crime scene, and then one block away putting on a brown hat that matches 346 00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:04,940 the description from the taxi driver. 347 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:10,200 Plus... his DNA was a full match to the third -party DNA found on the victim. 348 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,400 Why'd he do it? 349 00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:15,000 I'm not sure yet. We know Hardiman was gunning to fire Goodall's boss. 350 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,260 So let's find out what would have happened to Goodall if Hardiman had had 351 00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:19,260 way. 352 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,600 Otherwise, your evidence is solid. 353 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,560 I'm not so sure about that. 354 00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:24,960 Defense just filed a motion to suppress the DNA. 355 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:34,180 It's a Fourth Amendment violation, a total invasion of my client's privacy. 356 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,540 Your Honor, the defendant voluntarily surrendered his DNA and blood to his 357 00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:40,520 employer without signing or demanding. 358 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,260 Any agreement that his employer keep those records confidential. 359 00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:47,680 Is this true? Only because the sample was provided years before standard 360 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,820 forms, before the government was actively assembling DNA databases to 361 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:56,210 crimes. Please tell me police at least had a subpoena? Yes, they had reason to 362 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:58,930 believe Goodall was the killer, so we served the company with a grand jury 363 00:20:58,930 --> 00:21:03,530 subpoena to produce Goodall's DNA, which, again, he had voluntarily 364 00:21:03,530 --> 00:21:04,950 the company. This was not some... 365 00:21:05,420 --> 00:21:09,880 wild database goose chase. It is an incontrovertible good for medical 366 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,400 researchers to provide their blood and DNA in labs so that research can proceed 367 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,860 accurately and safely without any risk of cross -contamination. 368 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:22,560 But if we violate the privacy of these doctors because of a technicality, you 369 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:27,180 put future life -saving research at risk because nobody will sign up to hand 370 00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:28,360 over their DNA for science. 371 00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:30,180 I agree. 372 00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:34,200 Your Honor, we could have gotten a separate warrant to collect the DNA 373 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,160 arrest. An arrest based on this first invasion of privacy. 374 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:39,460 Fruit of the poisonous tree. 375 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:42,560 The DNA is out. 376 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:46,200 And you won't be getting any other warrant to get it either. 377 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:03,440 And Tom Hardiman was notorious for ousting CEOs and installing new ones? 378 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:06,760 Correct. Did he articulate this plan to members of the WellPoint board? 379 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,160 Brought it up at every meeting. Even called me a few times. In fact, he had 380 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,280 proposed a specific replacement CEO. 381 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,860 Yes. Called him a brilliant shark. 382 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,220 The night Tom Hardiman was killed, he left you an urgent voicemail, correct? 383 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:23,440 he tried to find you at home. Correct. Do you know why? 384 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:26,620 His voicemail suggested he'd finally found a way to get rid of Munson. 385 00:22:27,050 --> 00:22:28,390 I finally got what I need. 386 00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:30,650 Munson's a goner, were his words. 387 00:22:30,910 --> 00:22:35,930 And if Munson was gone, what would happen to the defendant, Kevin Goodall? 388 00:22:36,410 --> 00:22:37,710 Objection. Speculative. 389 00:22:38,170 --> 00:22:42,070 Your Honor, the victim shared his own well -pointed three -year business plan 390 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:43,029 with the witness. 391 00:22:43,030 --> 00:22:45,030 Overruled. Mr. Kane, please answer. 392 00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:47,610 Munson hired Goodall right out of medical school. 393 00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:49,190 Treated him like a son. 394 00:22:49,630 --> 00:22:53,670 Hardeman told us the new CEO would clean house, and that meant firing Goodall. 395 00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:54,770 Thank you. Nothing further. 396 00:22:57,870 --> 00:23:01,170 Is Kevin Goodall a capable head of medical research? 397 00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:02,430 He's excellent. 398 00:23:02,550 --> 00:23:06,910 Under his oversight, how many drugs has WellPoint patented and brought to 399 00:23:06,910 --> 00:23:08,830 market? Last ten years, seven. 400 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:14,050 Are you aware he'd received four offers from competing firms in the past year 401 00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:15,370 alone for better pay? 402 00:23:15,670 --> 00:23:18,510 I heard about one. The others don't surprise me. 403 00:23:18,790 --> 00:23:23,070 Kevin is a well -respected researcher, and we knew he only stated WellPoint out 404 00:23:23,070 --> 00:23:24,250 of loyalty to Norm's vision. 405 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,580 Do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall had financial problems? 406 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000 No. 407 00:23:30,260 --> 00:23:33,860 Have you ever been to Kevin Goodall's home? Yes, once, for dinner. 408 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,600 Is this it on Central Park West? 409 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:41,960 Objection. Relevant. 410 00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:46,320 Prosecution put forth a theory that my client's motive was anxiety about losing 411 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,280 his $600 ,000 a year job. 412 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:50,200 Mr. Kane can rebut that. 413 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,600 I'll allow. 414 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,640 Mr. Kane? 415 00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:54,080 Yes, this is Kevin's home. 416 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:58,370 He purchased it for $12 .7 million in 2019. 417 00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:01,330 Not bad for a medical researcher. 418 00:24:01,630 --> 00:24:04,190 I believe there's family money there from real estate. 419 00:24:04,450 --> 00:24:08,810 So do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall was desperate to keep 420 00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:12,790 his job at WellPoint so desperate he would kill for it? 421 00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:15,070 No. 422 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:16,890 Not at all. 423 00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:29,630 Defense is right. If Goodall is that wealthy, he didn't even need to work. 424 00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:31,530 would he stress about losing his job at Wellpoint? 425 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:33,890 The motive still doesn't add up yet. 426 00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:37,190 What are we missing? 427 00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:39,390 This murder was emotional. 428 00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:44,090 Improvised. Nobody plans to push someone in front of a taxi. 429 00:24:44,610 --> 00:24:45,990 So what set it in motion? 430 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:53,170 Maybe something happened at the Wellpoint meeting between Hardeman, 431 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:54,870 Goodall? Something that... 432 00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:56,420 Rattled Goodall? 433 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,020 Made him angry or worried enough to kill. 434 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,680 I'm saying nothing. 435 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:06,660 We just want to know about the meeting that day, if anything happened to upset 436 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:07,660 Kevin Goodall. 437 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,560 Do you know how many hours of rigorous, meticulous laboratory oversight goes 438 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,440 into bringing a life -saving drug to market? 439 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,960 It's not a job, it is a sacred commitment. 440 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,880 It takes constant vigilance. 441 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:31,800 Goodall is a great researcher and a great man. 442 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:34,820 Mr. Munson has to prepare for a call. 443 00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:36,720 You got the wrong guy. 444 00:25:44,860 --> 00:25:48,960 Mr. Munson did nothing wrong in that meeting. Please stop agitating him. 445 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,460 How do you know he did nothing wrong? Were you there? 446 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:54,870 I attend all of Mr. Munson's meetings. I'm with him the entire workday. Okay, 447 00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:57,590 then why don't you just tell us what went down? Did Hardeman threaten Munson? 448 00:25:57,630 --> 00:25:58,630 Did he threaten Goodall? 449 00:25:59,070 --> 00:26:02,630 I can't answer any further questions. Just so you know, the DA can't subpoena 450 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:03,630 you to appear in court. 451 00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:05,070 I can't speak. 452 00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:06,750 I'm bound by New York state law. 453 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:08,770 What law? 454 00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:11,850 HIPAA? 455 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:14,690 I'm Norman Munson's nurse. 456 00:26:17,470 --> 00:26:18,670 Here we go. 457 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:20,410 Munson's assistant. 458 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,280 Before this, he spent five years working at the Flowering Garden facility in 459 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,300 Queens. What is that? 460 00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:31,520 Memory care facility. 461 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:41,720 According to his financials, Munson made three large payments 462 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,300 this year to a doctor, Naomi Nezkami. 463 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:49,600 She's a neurologist. 464 00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:53,590 That's it. 465 00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:57,850 That's the smoking gun Hardiman was looking for. 466 00:27:00,110 --> 00:27:02,830 Norman Munson had dementia. 467 00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:09,010 Somehow, Hardiman discovered Munson's dementia at that meeting. 468 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:10,209 Well, he must have. 469 00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:12,150 It was a pretty late meeting. 470 00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:18,590 In my father's last years, he struggled to stay sharp. But after an hour, 471 00:27:18,650 --> 00:27:20,030 especially in the afternoon... 472 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,440 His basic recall always failed. He could tell every detail of what happened in 473 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,660 his childhood, but he would forget what he had for breakfast. 474 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,240 I remember the shame on his face when he couldn't find an answer. It was 475 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,620 heartbreaking. 476 00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:37,240 So Munson tripped up and Hardeman saw it. 477 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:39,260 Goodall saw it. 478 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,799 My guess? 479 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,160 That's why Goodall was in the meeting to begin with. 480 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,860 He spends a lot of time with Munson. He had to know about Munson's decline. 481 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,280 He was... 482 00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:52,990 Guarding the secret. Because if the board found out about Munson's 483 00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:55,690 Forget about votes. That would force his dismissal. 484 00:27:56,630 --> 00:28:01,310 So, Hardeman was going to expose Munson's condition, have him fired. 485 00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:04,150 That still only gets you halfway to motive. 486 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:07,890 Why would good old Kilt keep Munson as CEO? 487 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:10,630 You said he was rich, had job options. 488 00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:13,370 I know. I've been digging into good old life. He was the... 489 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,940 further thing from desperate donated lots of money to tens of thousands to 490 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:22,980 various schools hospitals whatever motivated his wife him to know she 491 00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:27,400 for his alibi right he lied to police about what time he got home there's no 492 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,300 she's going to talk to us when goodall's wife lies she weighed privilege give it 493 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:33,300 a shot track her down 494 00:28:39,429 --> 00:28:43,930 Rachel Goodall, her housekeeper said she's been here since 7 a .m. Yeah, Mrs. 495 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:44,970 Goodall's an early bird. 496 00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:46,490 Always here at the crack of dawn. 497 00:28:47,530 --> 00:28:48,530 Here we are. 498 00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:50,930 Do you mind? 499 00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:53,150 The kids are fragile. 500 00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:55,370 Leukemia, batten disease. 501 00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:56,950 Here for our trial. 502 00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:03,270 Mrs. 503 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:08,250 Goodall is over there. 504 00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:18,410 I am not talking to you. Please leave. We just have some questions, please. I'm 505 00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:21,210 not going to help you with anything. We can subpoena you. 506 00:29:21,670 --> 00:29:23,270 That is the least of my concerns. 507 00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:29,150 Hi, sweetie. 508 00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:30,290 What's your name? 509 00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:45,770 Kevin, good old daughter. 510 00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:47,430 She can't speak? 511 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:48,750 Batten disease. 512 00:29:49,690 --> 00:29:51,390 It's brutal. 513 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:54,850 It erodes the ability to communicate. 514 00:29:55,690 --> 00:30:00,870 On top of the seizures, the disorientation, the eventual blindness. 515 00:30:01,270 --> 00:30:02,410 Oh, it's all kids. 516 00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:04,370 Symptoms present around the age of six. 517 00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:07,810 From that point, the body essentially starts deteriorating. 518 00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:11,570 You're running the trials for Wild Point, correct? We're one year in. 519 00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:13,870 How's it going? How are you? 520 00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:15,220 Close to a cure. 521 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,060 We're getting close, but we're still a few years out. 522 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:24,120 The survival rate for Batten is under 2%. That's why we're working around the 523 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,019 clock. 524 00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:26,460 It's the only chance he'd get that. 525 00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:28,980 Thanks. 526 00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:33,240 Goodall didn't kill Hardiman to save his job. 527 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,580 He killed Hardiman to save his daughter's life. 528 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:46,540 So if Hardeman had been able to install his new profit -driven CEO at WellPoint, 529 00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:48,360 what would have been his first order of business? 530 00:30:48,740 --> 00:30:49,860 Eliminate budget waste. 531 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:51,820 Elaborate. 532 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,840 WellPoint spends a fortune on small market research into rare diseases. 533 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,880 Hardeman wanted WellPoint moving to cholesterol, blood pressure, weight loss 534 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,860 drugs, products with bigger markets. 535 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,600 So some WellPoint trials would have ended. 536 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:07,920 Immediately. Had he done this before? 537 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:14,300 cut drug research mid -trial in other firms that he invested in. So I made his 538 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:15,300 money. 539 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,280 Did Tom Hardiman share his proposed budget cuts with the WellPoint board? 540 00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:22,080 Yes. He gave them a list. 541 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:26,080 I'm going to show you what was previously marked as Exhibit 5. Was this 542 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,260 was presented in June. A list of drug research he wanted to end at WellPoint. 543 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,980 Yes. Is Batten disease included on Hardiman's cut list? 544 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,280 Among others, yes. 545 00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:40,750 Your Honor, I'd like to submit a photograph. 546 00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:44,690 Objection. This was from a hospital newsletter, Your Honor. It's publicly 547 00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:45,690 available. 548 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:47,930 I'll allow it. 549 00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:56,130 This was taken at a Mount Hope Hospital event celebrating the strength and 550 00:31:56,130 --> 00:32:01,230 courage of children fighting Batten disease and participating in WellPoint's 551 00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:03,150 Phase I trials. 552 00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:04,750 Please, could you read the caption aloud? 553 00:32:06,410 --> 00:32:12,450 Dr. Kevin Goodall with his wife and daughter, Emily, a patient battling 554 00:32:12,450 --> 00:32:13,450 disease. 555 00:32:14,110 --> 00:32:19,250 So if Munson had been removed, that would have been a de facto death 556 00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:21,770 for Kevin Goodall's daughter. Objection. Withdrawn. 557 00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:24,170 No further questions. 558 00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:30,110 Did Tom Hardiman have the power to fire Norman Munson? 559 00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:34,900 He did not. Do you have any evidence that Tom Hardiman, or anyone for that 560 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:37,760 matter, had amassed the board vote to fire Munson? 561 00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:39,340 It was Tom's plan. Yes or no? 562 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:41,360 Had he assembled the votes? 563 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:49,000 Not that I know of. So the idea of what Munson's replacement might change at 564 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,360 Wellpoint, it's total speculation on top of complete impossibility, which means 565 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,520 my client had no reason to kill Mr. Hardiman. 566 00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:03,990 Nothing further. 567 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,880 I'd find a way to trip him up and reveal that his mental acuity has diminished. 568 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,020 That does not feel right, Nolan, for a lot of reasons. 569 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,400 Look, you can always plead this to a lesser charge. 570 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:47,440 Sam, push the man into a moving car. That's murder. 571 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,900 Or a manslaughter. 572 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,940 He was acting under extreme emotional disturbance. 573 00:33:52,220 --> 00:33:56,400 He was panicked that the idea a new CEO would abandon that into this research 574 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,140 that his daughter's life was in jeopardy. He gave Goodall the right to 575 00:33:59,140 --> 00:34:01,700 what company shareholders can and can't know. 576 00:34:02,110 --> 00:34:04,790 Look what happened to Bidens in a circle when the world was questioning his 577 00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:08,469 fitness to serve. No one thought they had the right to keep that secret. 578 00:34:08,670 --> 00:34:12,550 Norman Munson is not a commander -in -chief. And by all accounts, in the 579 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:15,630 portion of the world he does control, he did nothing but good. 580 00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:20,090 You want to humiliate him on the stand to help the Wall Street guys get richer? 581 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:25,870 Hardiman's fund still owns a 24 % stake. If Munson goes, they'll end research, 582 00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:27,889 medical research, to save children's lives. 583 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:29,530 Children we saw, Nolan. 584 00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:37,290 And we're doing this to send a devoted doctor and father to prison for life to 585 00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:38,830 get justice for a corporate raider? 586 00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:44,889 We don't get to rate our victims or defendants. But Munson, he's a bystander 587 00:34:44,889 --> 00:34:45,889 all this. 588 00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:49,969 Show me any other way. 589 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,940 We are prepared to offer murder, too. 590 00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:11,180 But we'll recommend 15 to 20 years, which is the gift for charge of this 591 00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:15,260 magnitude. Your case is weak, Nolan. That's why you're here. We're here 592 00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:18,780 we're offering a lifeline to your client and his daughter. 593 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:21,900 Meaning what? 594 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,780 If you plead this out, no one will ever find out about Norman Munson's dementia. 595 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,130 Dementia? That's absurd. 596 00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:33,470 Well, Point is going to continue its research into batten disease. 597 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:35,690 Find a cure. And your daughter will live. 598 00:35:35,970 --> 00:35:38,570 This is one of the more brazen threats I've heard all year. 599 00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:40,450 Take this to verdict. 600 00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:45,910 You run two risks. One, expose Norman Munson's cognitive issues, which means 601 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:49,790 Munson is gone as CEO before the judge even sends the jury off to deliberate. 602 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:54,590 Two, you will face a much harsher sentence than 15 to 20. 603 00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:58,070 Well, we're not going to lose. 604 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,280 Still with you in court? 605 00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,480 One more thing. I mentioned to Judge Draven I have a scheduling conflict in 606 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,320 morning, so we'll be calling Norman Munson late in the day. 607 00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:15,020 Apologies for any inconvenience. 608 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,480 I hope he's not too tired. 609 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,580 Were you considering retirement? 610 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:30,240 Not at all. 611 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:31,920 I love working. 612 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,180 Do you know of any situation that could force your termination? 613 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,920 For example, if you were convicted of a crime. 614 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,520 In that case, I'm out. 615 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,400 What if you were caught deceiving the board or shareholders? 616 00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:51,779 I'd be removed. 617 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:55,940 What if you were deemed medically incapable of fulfilling your duties? 618 00:36:57,420 --> 00:37:00,940 They would have to remove me. Your Honor, relevance? 619 00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:05,680 We have been at this for an hour, and the witness has made it clear he was not 620 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,560 about to retire or be fired from Wellpoint Therapeutics, despite all of 621 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,420 Price's dire hypotheticals. I'm getting there, Your Honor. 622 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,660 Defense asks he get there tomorrow. 623 00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:17,660 It's late. 624 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,320 Requesting an adjournment? 625 00:37:20,140 --> 00:37:21,580 Continue, but swiftly. 626 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,220 So, Mr. Munson, once more. 627 00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:32,630 For the record, you had and have no intention of abandoning your position as 628 00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:35,590 of WellPoint. Correct. One more question. 629 00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:38,950 It's the easiest one of the day. 630 00:37:41,110 --> 00:37:43,510 How did you get here today? 631 00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:50,950 How did you get to this courthouse? 632 00:37:52,330 --> 00:37:53,650 Your Honor, relevance? 633 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:04,640 Overruled I Don't know I don't understand you arrived at 634 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,460 this courthouse Two hours ago, and I'm simply asking that you tell us how you 635 00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:11,460 got here 636 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:34,700 Um... What's the question? 637 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,760 It's just how you got here today. I'm asking how you got to court today. 638 00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:48,500 Uh... My car. 639 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:56,260 You came here by car? Yes, yes. A beautiful blue 640 00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:57,680 BMW convertible. 641 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,500 We were right around with the top down all summer. 642 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,940 Do you remember that? 643 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Do I remember? 644 00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:14,780 Mr. Munster. 645 00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:16,340 Judge, 646 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,860 we'd like to meet in chambers. 647 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,300 I understand you've reached an agreement on a plea. Yes, Your Honor. The 648 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:34,040 defendant has agreed to plea to a charge of murder in the second degree. We 649 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,260 recommend a 15 -year prison term. 650 00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:40,800 Mr. Goodall, do you understand the terms of this deal? 651 00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:42,580 I do, Your Honor. 652 00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:09,490 Rachel. 653 00:40:10,030 --> 00:40:11,030 Rachel. 654 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:12,370 I'm sorry. 655 00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:13,870 There was no other way. 656 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:16,210 Tell Emily I love her. 657 00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:22,990 I was willing to give up his freedom, his whole life for his daughter. 658 00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:24,990 The greater good. 52644

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