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>> Certainly, they are not beefing.

>> I don't think we would know. We would if

they were beefing right above us.

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>> He's the greatest filmmaker of all time.

>> He is absolutely. I always say about

him, he he's known as the greatest

filmmaker [music] and he's still under

>> Dan. [music]

>> Hey, how you doing?

>> Good. How are you?

>> Good to see you, man.

>> Dan, your uh your spaceship is double

parked out there.

>> Thanks for having me.

>> We're going to have to move that.

>> I got dropped off. [laughter]

You don't travel in a spaceship, man.

>> Are there people who think that uh do do

you get hate for uh for being the uh

apostle here of

>> the UFOs or No, no hate mail on that.

>> Not really. Not really. That's amazing

because this country is so divided that

I would think anything like because

certainly, you know, it's in your

documentary and I talked about it on my

show with Marjgerie Taylor Green who

concurs with some of the people in the

defense department who think aliens,

they're demons. We're talking about

angels and demon fallen angels is what

Marjorie Taylor said. That's I mean you

say aliens other people to me this could

be the dividing line to start like a lot

of online fighting. No,

>> you know like everybody's you know

allowed to have their own opinion. The

one thing I I have gotten I have gotten

um

I have gotten some like angry DMs on

these social media sites where people

are like I want more evidence. I want to

see this. I want to see that. And I'm

like I do too. We all want more. But,

you know, to me,

>> angry that you're not giving enough

evidence or angry that you're just

saying this and it's really something

like demons or angels.

>> There's a lot of people who just wish

there was more evidence for them to see,

but I think, you know, I think

disclosure of this stuff is a process.

>> Well, I saw I cut this out of the paper

the other day just cuz I wanted to read

it. It was just just yesterday. Uh the

British military actively just try tried

to obtain extraterrestrial technology in

the 90s.

Uh this just came out. They just

released this after thousands of

reported sightings over Belgium between

November 1989 and April 1990.

uh large silent low-flying black

triangles

uh demonstrating propulsion capabilities

far beyond any known uh flight

technology and the British thought they

needed to find out what it is so they

could reverse engineer it. They, you

know, said we got to have this.

>> Yeah, I saw that too. There's a lot of

activity, historical activity in the UK.

There's a one of the interviews I did

that um I had to just cut for time in

the film. I interviewed uh former base

commander of uh Rendlessham of a base

that was at in Rendlessham forest in

>> Oh yeah, they mentioned that.

>> Yeah. And um

>> that's in Suffk, England.

>> Yeah. So it was a joint at the time it

was a joint base between between UK and

US and there on Christmas Eve can't

remember which year it was was in the

80s. Uh there was a big UAP event um out

just outside the base and um

>> UAP is the old UFO, huh? Yeah. That

really it really changed things a lot

when they made that change, huh?

>> Yeah. I I I think it helps. I mean, I

really do.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. So, one of the guys I interviewed

>> unidentified flying object, unidentified

aerial phenomenon.

>> Unidentified. It stands for unidentified

anomalous phenomenon.

>> Oh, for [ __ ] sake.

>> It's a UFO. and we got used to UFO and

it's the same thing and you're just

confusing people.

>> It's not helpful. It's unhelpful.

>> There's two valid reasons.

>> So, one of the guys I interviewed, Jay

Stratton, very senior intelligence

official,

he found that when he would bring up

UFOs in

>> certain rooms, it led to this giggle

factor and there's a stigma around that

word. So, UAP allows it to be looked at

differently. Also, a lot of the activity

is happening in our oceans and these

things aren't flying. Like UFO stands

for flying.

>> All right. All right. Fine. So, there

you go.

>> Take it. Um to me, it seems like a

minor. Yeah, you're probably right about

that. Okay. So, we'll get used to the

new one, but probably

>> um so inconsequential compared to what

to me seems like the issue. And you

know, you were on real time

>> recently. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I I mean the

movie your movie Age of Disclosure about

this is um is groundbreaking and

you know I'm on your page basically. I

mean look, do we know anything? No. I

just feel like it gets harder and harder

as the evidence accumulates. And you

know what your movie did so well was it

arrayed this lineup of very credible

people including the secretary of state

senators you know military people not

the you know when I was start doing

comedy it was all these jokes about and

a little green man came down and ate my

wife and she liked that you know that

just that was all that probing my

[ __ ] and and now it's not that it's

not the farmer in the middle of nowhere.

It's it's very credible people. So

>> that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to

make the most credible doc ever made on

the topic.

>> Yeah.

>> And something that wasn't sensational.

>> I always wish this film existed. Over

the years, I've been fascinated with

this topic. I've watched every doc on

it. I've watched every, you know, movie

or series about it. And I just always

wish someone would go take the time to

make a documentary that only interviewed

people who have direct knowledge of this

as a result of working for the US

government and and to just have them

share what they lawfully can not sensate

don't sensationalize it. Don't just

throw some random guy in there because

it's cool casting. Just set the par like

real credible people who actually have

direct knowledge of I mean, part of the

reason why this documentary couldn't

have been done 10 years ago is because

there weren't nearly as many credible

people

>> there. The things we've seen in the last

decade, the the and the testimony from

people like in the Navy who've seen

these phenomenon, I don't remember that

happening

before 10 years ago. It it looks to me

like the aliens um kind of want us to

know that they're here. It doesn't look

like they're hiding it much anymore.

They may be saying, "Jesus Christ, these

people are taking a long time to come

around to what is

>> is fairly obvious." You know, and I, as

I said to you on real time, um, I'm not

that upset about it because obviously

they have the capability to do great

harm and they're not. They seem to be

just monitoring. Um, that could change.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> Yeah. as as the film as people in the

film talk about circumstances change.

Like we've we've evolved

technologically.

>> Not with these lighters.

>> I I'm either the unluckiest person in

the world who I every time I try to get

a simple Zippo lighter. I'm not trying

to embarrass the Zippo company, but

maybe there's like a a a really good

version of this. I I don't know. I do

what I'm supposed to do. I put the thing

in and that's what and it works once at

home and then I do it here and it

doesn't work and and yet the alien I I

if the aliens come I would like to make

this their first mission to get this

[ __ ] lighter

>> improve the quality of lighters.

>> They're so cool looking and I like them.

They just don't work for me. Hilarious.

>> Maybe it's me.

>> But uh I'm sorry. You want me to say?

>> No, the, you know, a lot of people talk

about how if more intelligent life is

here and they haven't destroyed us, you

know, there hasn't been a, you know, war

of the worlds type moment that that

means that they're completely benign and

there's nothing to worry about. And, you

know, that's a nice positive thought for

sure, and that'd be amazing if that's

true. But I think a lot of the

intelligence officials in my film went

out of their way to say it's, you know,

good to prepare for all scenarios. And

the reality of it is like we've evolved

technologically

at a really rapid pace over the last 80

years, but our morals haven't, right?

We're still in sovereign nations. We're

still threatening nuclear war. We're a

violent species.

>> They they may be in the process of

deciding. And so the but but but the

point a lot of the people in my film

make is that we're kind of like

barreling towards a crossroads where

we're we're reaching the point of either

already doing what being able to do what

they do or soon being able to do what

they do. And at that point they would

have to contend with us and we're we're

a violent species. And so it kind of

>> kind of uh puts a lot in perspective.

And I think one of the takeaways a lot

of people told me they had from the film

is, man, humanity's really got to get

their [ __ ] together and, you know, kind

of come together on this because we're

all in this situation together. And

that's that's a that's a tough that's

not going to happen.

>> Probably not going to happen, right?

>> Totally not going to happen.

>> So then so then it's like, okay, well

then we just got to be be prepared for

all. The good news is, and again I think

I mentioned this to you, it's it reminds

me of uh you know the movies where the

bad guy or somebody like Salato says,

"Come on, if I wanted you to be dead,

you'd be dead already."

>> That's I feel like where we are with the

aliens right now.

>> Possibly.

>> That doesn't mean tomorrow it won't

>> change. And I do think one compelling

piece of evidence about the whole

shebang is that they did seem to appear

right after the nuclear age began.

>> It seems like that triggered

>> proactive. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

proactively.

>> You first see it in the of course the

bomb is 1945.

1947

really is when we first Roswell and

stuff like that. [clears throat] To me,

that's quite a coincidence. Or it's

like, oh, they're watching.

>> It seems like that's when they started

paying attention.

>> Let's pay attention. They they've

reached the nuclear threshold. Remember

when we were a nuclear little green

fellow people here on the planet?

We were crazy and we did crazy things

and we had these bombs and we it was

polluting and it was just terrible. Uh

but uh let's keep an eye on them.

>> Yeah. I mean, look, the people in my

film all feel everyone I discussed a

specific point with felt strongly that

once you crack the atom, it puts you on

this trajectory towards doing what they

do. And it's only a matter of time at

that point. And so that's when they

started monitoring us. The, you know,

the the thing that the people I

interviewed are more concerned about

than possible intentions of non-human

intelligent life is what would happen if

an adversary cracked this technology

before we did. and used it for bad

because this technology has the

potential to revolutionize the way we

live and change things for the better.

It could it could be the solution to the

energy crisis. It could lead to

interstellar travel. A lot of

technological breakthroughs could come

off the back of it that could be great

for us, but it could also be used as the

most terrifying weapon of mass

destruction. You could instantaneously

deliver a nuclear weapon to the other

side of the planet.

>> Yeah. I mean, maybe the tipping point is

fusion. I mean, we we've learned how to

split the atom. That's nuclear. But

that's not really where the gold is. The

gold is is in fusion, which they're

they're getting closer. Fusion is the

opposite. We're putting them together at

at temperatures that are hotter than the

sun. So, the the challenge is not just

doing that. They seem to be able to do

that, but then how do you channel that?

Like how do you not whatever is holding

this uh energy, how do you not melt that

thing, you know? So plainly the aliens

have this.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean they have something that we don't

have.

>> An energy source that we haven't

realized.

>> Yes. That allows them I mean all the

witnesses pretty much say some variation

of you know the thing can hover for

three hours and then just move at speeds

we've never seen before. Yeah. or go uh

as you say in the ocean without losing

any speed. You know, there seems to be

no element of friction there.

>> They seem to be um moving in an

a way that

>> just defies physics as we know it.

>> As we know it,

>> that's the simplest way to say it. Yeah.

>> So, I I I can't help but think that is

tied to fusion and maybe something

beyond fusion. But that's our next

moment in human history. Yeah.

>> Is fusion. And we're knocking on the

doorstep. But we're still a very long

way away.

>> There's also a lot of forces working

against techn technology like that

coming to the forefront. You know, I

mean, look how we see it in the news

this week, how significant

oil is to the world, right? Like, you

know, the the introduction of a new

energy source would

>> basically overnight destroy

an entire marketplace that has driven

the world for years.

>> I'll say I'll say this for the Trump's

move into Venezuela. Um I mean I don't

totally hate it. [laughter] Some of it I

do hate. Um [clears throat] but uh to

the aliens who are worried that we are

getting too advanced, I'm sure that was

very reassuring. Not this guy. This

guy's still thinking about oil

and still thinking about, you know,

stuff like whatever he's thinking about.

It's it's not it's not I What do you

think? What do you think Donald Trump

knows about?

>> So, I think he's become very aware of

the situation in the last few months and

I think he behind the scenes is pursuing

the truth

about the things he is in the dark on. I

I hope that he, you know, steps up this

year and and tells the world

definitively that we're not alone in the

universe cuz he knows those base facts

and he could share that with the world.

I think I think it would be the greatest

moment a leader could possibly have. I

mean, there's no bigger moment in the

history of humanity. I don't think any

of us have ever known him to ever not

share like when he [laughter]

I saw yesterday he uh put out these uh

he didn't do it yesterday but they were

talking about it yesterday on CNN um

these text messages that the uh head of

NATO who used to be the I think the

president of Denmark had sent him uh and

they were very complimentary you know I

mean it's not a big secret that a great

way to ingratiate yourself with our

president is to be complimentary and uh

they were meant to be private but of

course Trump puts them on truth social

because you know here's a guy an

important guy saying nice things about

me. I'm just going to put it out there.

I mean Kanye does the same thing. You

know don't expect a lot of the a lot of

the younger generation don't expect

anything to ever be private. They just

don't have that same feeling. I so just

don't put it out there. But again, I I

don't remember President Trump ever

really holding anything back. So I feel

like

>> actively gathering information right

now. That's

>> That could be true. That absolutely

could be true. I mean, he's could be

waiting for the the right moment like a

week a week before the next election.

The aliens are here. And if I'm not

[laughter] here to stop it, you know, I

can see that. Look, I think it lit

literally in all seriousness, it would

be the biggest moment a leader could

ever have in human history. It it it's

bigger than any huge presidential

speech. Like think about think about

those great moments leaders have had in

our history. Like from Gettysburg

address to Kenny Space race speech,

Martin Luther King's [clears throat] I

have a dream speech. Yeah.

>> Whatever you put on the list, this would

be bigger than that. And um it's also

arguably the most bipartisan moment you

could possibly have. There's this issue

is the most bipartisan issue in politics

right now. This the leaders from both

parties are aligned on wanting more

disclosure and more aligned on that than

anything else.

>> Yeah. When I think about the uh famous

New York Times headline when we walked

on the moon, I I I don't think they've

ever had a bigger type

face than not men walk on moon. You

know, giant letters

>> picture we are not alone.

>> You know what? How big a type do you

need for this headline if like if there

was definitive proof you know like

little green man arrives says take us to

your leader that I mean they don't have

t

>> I mean I think it's just simply we are

we are not alone and a US president

stepping to the microphone and making

that clear for the entire human

population it just would have so many

huge

>> and is and it's your belief I think and

many others that the reason this really

hasn't happened is because it would

scare people.

>> No, I No, I think there's a lot of

reasons like we go into a lot of reasons

in the film, but

those reasons have sort of changed over

time. I think originally it was simply

if you put yourself in the shoes of

military and officials in the ' 40s and

you realize this is real, you got to

find out a lot of answers to your own

questions before you make it known,

right? And then I think they found out

that this was happening in adversarial

nations too. And then it became like a

cold war dynamic of we got to keep this

secret because we don't want our enemies

to know what we know and don't know. And

one of the ways they kept it secret is

they created the stigma around this

topic. That's revealed in my film. One

of the senior CIA officials in my film

says that elements of the intelligence

community, including the CIA, created

the stigma around this early on, late

40s, early 50s to get people thinking

it's crazy. If you look into this, it's

a it's a kind of a genius way to get

people to avoid, you know, asking

questions, right, and looking into it.

And then that gets into the culture and

it gets compounded over the years. Then

the stigma gets created. Then the stigma

became a reason for people not to want

to speak up about it cuz no one wanted

their reputation ruined.

>> But would there not be panic? I think

there I think at one point people early

on I think in the 40s and 50s there was

a general feeling amongst military

intelligence people that knew about this

that we need we need to learn a lot more

about this before we tell the world

there's a situation that we don't know

anything about and we can't protect you

from and cause panic right but I I think

it's naive to think that in 2026

people are going to be jumping out of

buildings if they find out of uh that

that we're not alone

>> they're jumping out of buildings

I can't imagine a lot of rednecks

wouldn't be like, "We got to kill these

[ __ ] now

while we got them in our sides while we

got the we got the muscle. We got the

the armaments. We got everything we

need. We got to kill these people. We

don't I can't believe there wouldn't be

that faction in America. Look,

>> there'll be all over the world.

>> There'll be a lot of mixed responses,

but ultimately the reality of it is

One of the big learnings from making

this film is that we are in a race with

adversarial nations, most notably China,

to crack this technology and we have a

better chance of winning that race.

>> Technology,

>> UAP technology, the technology at play

like so the film reveals that that

>> you mean reverse engineering their

craft.

>> Yeah. So the film reveals that

>> do we have their craft?

>> Yeah. So yeah. The number of the

intelligence officials in the film

reveal that there's a deeply hidden

crash retrieval program in the US.

There's also one of them in China. Some

of them have crashed.

>> So, they're not perfect.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And we've retrieved some of

that technology.

>> They're aliens. They're not [ __ ]

gods, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean, that's that's just the

fact.

>> Yeah. I mean, they're dealing with

>> I've heard people say, "Well, if if

they're so if they're so advanced, how

come they keep crashing their vehicles?"

Well, I don't think they keep crashing

their vehicles. I think you know

>> well all technology has some kind of

>> like

either flaw or vulnerability right and

so one of the things that people in my

film talk about is in the early days of

our

atomic atomic weapons program um we

realized an unintended consequence of

testing

was it could cause some of these UAP

that we didn't know were there to crash

So there's been all these learnings over

over over

time of what scraps.

>> I'm sure there are some one reason why

they have been monitoring us for so long

is cuz they don't know about this planet

and they're finding out. They're

gathering information. I mean if I don't

know if you

>> or they've been here long before us

>> or they have been here long before us.

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discovering us and were alarmed because

they got the little beep on their phone

that said, "No, they went nuclear."

Okay, we got to get down there and see

what's going on. I mean, like in War of

the Worlds, which is what I go by.

That's my Bible. No, [laughter] I'm

kidding. Because when is Scientology

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you know that is sort of based that is

the Scientolo I mean I can see why Tom

Cruz was attracted to do that movie

other than the fact that it's an awesome

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the Worlds, this there's no real ending

to it. Uh the aliens are totally kicking

our ass and then they just die and

Morgan Freeman does the voice over and

everyone is like, "Okay,

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>> because it the world they just die

because they got a virus.

>> Yeah. So, it's really co I'm if they had

just worn the masks. I'm always saying

to everybody, "Let's go back to wearing

masks." I'm kidding, of course.

>> But like going back to the the thing

that concerned everyone I interviewed

was that

if we as a nation don't take this more

seriously and make it a real national

priority, then we could wake up one day

and find out that that China beat us in

this race and the consequences could be

huge.

>> So, what what what does that mean? China

would be allied with the

>> no no. So aliens.

>> So

>> a number of the officials in the film

reveal that our country and Russia and

China all have these hidden programs

that are retrieving crashed UAP and

trying to reverse engineer them. And

it's a technology race. They refer to it

as the Manhattan Project on steroids.

And so the idea is, you know, here we

have this stigma that originally was

created to keep people from looking into

this and now it's kind of backfiring and

that we're in a technology race now and

the majority of scientists in our

country don't even know this is real.

They don't know it's a valid area of

inquiry.

>> Well, that that you get to something

that I found so fascinating in the

movie, which is the idea that a lot of

what we know about all of this

phenomenon is compartmentalized. Yeah.

like the CIA knows this and the energy

department knows this and the defense

department knows this and they don't

necessarily share the information and we

got to I mean to me this is a little

like the Epstein files except not under

underage girls little green men.

[laughter] Okay. Uh like we want the

files out. We want you to collate all

the files cuz we saw with the Epstein

thing it was a [ __ ] show. It came out

drip by drab. some of it was real. Then

suddenly we got a million more. And you

know,

>> I mean, honestly,

>> I feel like that's what's going on with

this, except again, not underage girls,

little green men. And if we could just

get all these agencies to share, cuz you

are all on the same team, guys. We're

all in the American government. Share.

And then and then because that has to

happen, I think, before they release it

to the people.

>> Yeah. But the better the honestly the

better analogy is the 9/11 situation.

Intelligence the intelligence community

wasn't sharing information in the most

effective way and there was intelligence

gaps and then this horrible intelligence

failure happened and and this attack

happened and and and we all dealt with

consequences and then what h what

happened after that? Everyone said oh

this has to be course corrected. So we

formed the director of national

intelligence position as as an answer to

that, right? And their sole job is to

coordinate

>> the intelligence community so

information is actually shared, right?

>> All we all we did was create a giant new

ridiculously large uh unobservable in

many ways bureaucracy.

>> But the point is bad we history shows

bad things happen when our intelligence

community doesn't share information. I

know, but I remember my joke at the time

that we' created the Department of

Homeland Security was gosh, if we only

had some sort of central intelligence

agency,

>> you see my point?

>> We already had it.

>> Uh,

>> but their job, the CIA's job was never

to um coordinate all of the various

intelligence community elements. That

was never their stated purpose.

Whereas the director of national

intelligence, that's their purpose.

Yeah. And and you know what?

I got to give them credit.

I mean, something worked. Now, maybe it

was just that the jihadists decided to

take a break. I mean, they have been at

it for over a thousand years. So, like

they played the long game. Maybe it was

like, okay, we visit a painful

chastisement on the infidel. Let's take

a couple of decades off. That could be I

don't think that's it. No, they don't

put resources towards this. And it's

working.

>> Yes. And so if we put resources towards

the UAP issue and we make the base facts

known, a lot of great change will come

out of that and the US will lead in that

technology race.

>> Well, I I find it very interesting that

your movie is called the age of

disclosure

>> and Spielberg has a movie coming out

called

>> disclosure day.

>> What is the key word here that we seem

to be tracking? It would be disclosure.

I mean it seems like this is the issue

now that we've

>> for a lot of people we move past

>> the question is it happening it's a

little like

>> climate change there was a time when it

was like is it happening is it man-made

and then you know of course there are

stragglers who don't believe it is but

they're not credible people

>> you know what's interesting what was it

what was a turning point in that Al

Gore's inconvenient truth a documentary

right it takes yeah I mean certainly

that came out you know I think 2002 or

something. I I feel like by the '9s,

people were on the page of it's

happening and it is man-made. What to do

about it? That's a debate we we

absolutely can and shouldn't be having.

Um but there are still stragglers, you

know, who don't believe in that as there

will always be with this.

>> There will always be stragglers. But

basically, you pass these tipping points

where it's like evolution, you know,

when 1859 Darwin put that out. It wasn't

like in 1860 everybody was like oh

evolution we all believe in that. It

took a while before it's tested people

challenge it and then it's like okay

this is the reality let's go on to the

next question. I feel like we're we

should be on to the question of again I

don't think it's coincidence that this

na this word comes up in both these

films disclosure and I feel like when

they look back now the Spielberg movie

comes out in June I feel like you know

you're going to be the John the Baptist

to this Jesus Christ of a movie because

it is Spielberg it's something zillions

of people are going to see it's about

the same subject but it's for the masses

not that your movie didn't do great But

it's like this is now

>> number one bestselling documentary ever

on Prime Video.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. People are interested and

people get it. And I feel like from the

history major's point of view, the

analogy is this. The Roman Empire

was persecuting Christians, you know,

feeding them to the lions, that old

[ __ ] Mh.

>> In the 3rd century,

>> uh

30 years later, they were Christians,

you know, they went from feeding them to

the lions to, okay, now we are that.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, one emperor declared it and then we

all just fell in line. Maybe it took a

few years, I'm sure. But, uh, I feel

like that's where we are with this.

Like, it was a eye roll for a long time.

Oh, aliens, UFOs. Yeah, sure, sure,

sure. And maybe that's still going to be

the case. We don't know. Nobody knows.

But I feel like it's it's it's passing

that tipping point where if you're the

person who really thinks we're alone in

the universe, you're kind of on the side

of

>> not flatearthers and Yeah.

>> Yeah. flatearthers, right? You're you're

Exactly. you're you're kind of or global

warming isn't you know I mean

Republicans were still saying that it

wasn't real and it wasn't man-made very

recently I mean certainly in the last 20

years

>> they were trotting out silly there was

one Newsweek story in the 70s about how

the planet was cooling look the planet's

cooling they used to say and now and

it's like okay you know what you you can

you can always convince a certain number

of people but I feel like this is where

it's going to go. And I feel like the

big thing is going to be the Spielberg

movie.

>> Everyone I interviewed was really clear

with me that it's not a question as to

whether this is real. That's we're way

past that. Every single person I

interviewed made that very clear. Their

educated opinion was we are way way past

that. Now the question is where are they

from? What's their intention? And can we

as a nation practice technology before

an adversary does? And they all took

that extremely seriously. And they

thought, everyone I interviewed thought

that getting rid of the stigma in our

country is a huge huge um hurdle to

winning that technology race. We have we

have to get rid of the stigma so that

academia and the scientific community

can take this seriously and know it's a

valid area of inquiry and help us win

this technology race. And they all

thought that this documentary is going

to play a major role in opening the

public's eyes. And and I heard that over

and over from everybody from Rubio on

down. and um and they were all very very

serious about it. I do think there's

power in movies though as you're talking

about Steven's movie. Um

you know movies you have a unique power

to open people's eyes to thoughts. I

>> absolutely do.

>> I'm into this topic because my childhood

was the 80s and early 90s and my

favorite movie since I was a little kid

was Close Encounters. I grew up on Close

Encounters. ET X Files was on television

when I was in school and um Close

Encounters made a huge impact on me.

made me curious about these big

questions, made me curious about this

topic. You know, it presented it in a

very grounded way. It's a very ahead of

its time movie.

>> Well, I have always been a proponent of

the idea that everything the movies

depict then comes to life. Which is why

the fact that there are so many movies

about postapocop apocalyptic

world, you know, after the war, after

the war came and now it's a hellscape.

It's the baron and it's just, you know,

Denzel and somebody else walking across

a desert, you know, it's just terrible.

I ju because I feel like I've just seen

it too many times. Well, whatever

they're predicting is going to come

true. And that I mean I remember seeing

Minority Report a great Spielberg movie

and they had screens they were just

touching and moving things on the screen

which we all do a billion times a day

now but then it was like wow or even

flipones in Star Trek.

>> Yeah.

>> You know I mean lots of stuff

>> now he's always forward thinking and and

covering things that will come to be.

Another great great film uh from years

ago that was ahead of its time was Abyss

with all the activity

>> Cameron in the ocean. I mean he loves

the ocean.

>> It was not a good movie.

>> Oh, I liked it. I liked it a lot

[laughter]

>> as movie making. I don't I mean I don't

remember it that well. I remember being

bored to tears in the theater and I'm a

big Cameron fan. I love Titanic.

>> You watch it. It's it's it's a going and

Yeah. And and Close Encounters. I I

watch a few months. Is that a is that is

that about space people in the ocean?

>> The abyss is about non-human intelligent

life under the ocean.

>> Oh

>> yeah.

>> And what's the uh

>> spoiler alert? What's the end?

>> Just just just the the takeaway is that

there is other life here and and it's in

the ocean. And a number of the people in

my film go on the record about the UAP

activity in our oceans. even, you know,

from senior members of Congress to

intelligence officials, they talk about

technology that's not from here that

that's otherworldly that has been seen

coming in uh out of the ocean and into

the ocean. And then in conversations

I've had outside of the film, um people

have told me about um activity that's

been tracked by our submarines that's

just absolutely bonkers. like massive

crafts moving at crazy speeds under the

water going past our submarines.

So there's a there there's a real

situation.

>> Yeah. If you if you were an alien and

you wanted to hide here on the earth

itself. Yeah. you do it un because the

ocean is very unexplored

>> like say yeah one of the in my film

Admiral Tim Galedet uh says that um we

have studied the surface of the moon in

more detail than we have the bottoms of

our oceans and our oceans are like 75%

75% of our planet is ocean right

>> well that's if you believe we went to

the moon [laughter]

>> yeah okay

>> but I do think I really do think that um

going back to the power of movies you

know I wouldn't have made this movie or

been interested in this topic had I not,

you know, watched Close Encounters

countless times and and and had my

curiosity peaked. And I think that, you

know, my hope is there's people out

there who start looking into this topic

because they watch this documentary or

because they watch Steven's movie in in

June and they start thinking about it

differently, taking it seriously.

>> So, let's let's go through the movies

and what they depicted and see if that's

how it's really gonna happen. Close

Encounters. We want to communicate with

the uh aliens and we do it through as I

recall a synthesizer. You know, he's

it's playing this tune and then they

play the tune back.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> It's like Yeah.

>> So maybe it's that. Then there was a

movie called I think called Arrival.

>> Yeah. It's a great movie, too.

>> That is a great movie.

>> Yeah, I think so.

>> I don't remember loving that one either.

>> It's really good. [laughter]

>> Yeah. I feel like I feel like your

interest in this topic. So,

>> see, I'm just looking as a you know,

>> now that you've watched this doc, you

got to do a binge. Yeah.

>> Okay. But in that one, I remember there

was just a lot of uh the aliens writing

in this big curly language on a screen

and it was like it didn't look like

anything we've ever seen, but it was

some sort of writing,

>> some sort of contact event, some sort of

communication. Yeah.

>> So, how do you think it'll happen? What?

How will we I mean, shouldn't they know

with all their advanced knowledge? Can't

they just have a English to alien thing

in their phone that

>> I mean, you know, some of some of the

people in my film talk about how there

have been contact events. Um, some of

the intelligence officials in my film

talk about uh learning of an event that

happened um where UAP landed on a on a

military base and non-human beings

interacted with CIA and Air Force

officials. When you see mean when you

mean say interacted you mean dating?

[laughter]

>> No. But what do you mean by interacting?

You mean they had said they said they

interacted. They communicated somehow.

That's that's what you know

>> what's the official they must if they're

if they're testifying about this. What's

the somehow?

>> That was that was all that was said. And

they and the intel official in the film

talks about a conversation he had with

um President Bush one senior about this.

And um yeah, it's a fascinating part of

the film. Halaman Air Force Base is the

name.

>> I loved it that Bush too, his comment

was, "I ain't telling."

>> Yeah, that's one of the That's

>> I mean, that says a lot.

>> That was one of the

>> I ain't telling.

>> But that was one of the coolest

>> but Texas if they try to mess with

Texas.

>> That but

>> we're the point of the spear.

>> What he talks about in that section of

the film, I think is fascinating. uh a

bunch of the people I interviewed

revealed that during Bush 2's

administration shortly after 911 he was

contemplating going public with the base

facts that he had learned that we're not

alone in the universe and they held they

held a multi-day I think it was two or

three day think tank where they invited

a couple dozen people to come and

evaluate what the pros and cons would be

and they basically ranked they were

tasked with debating and then and then

applying a number to the impact so on a

scale one to 10, like 10 being a bad

impact, too much impact, one being

minimal impact to every like vertical of

society, like religion, the economy, all

these different areas they came up with.

And a number of the people that were um

part of the think tank, they went into

it excited about it and hopeful that it

would bring about disclosure and then

they all came out on the other side

deciding it would be a bad idea, that

the time wasn't right for it. This was

like right after 9/11. One of the people

in that think tank is in my film.

>> Yeah, that would

>> Dr. Hal Hudof is a senior scientist for

my film worked on a lot of classified

UAP programs.

>> Well, that wasn't Bush one.

>> No, it was two. That was two.

>> Bush two. Okay. Right.

>> Yeah. One was the one who talked about

the hell problem landing.

>> So, this think tank was when Bush two

was

>> Yeah. And then they decided not to do it

and uh not to go public with it.

>> Well, that was prudent to use the

father's term. I mean, not after 911,

you know, like it's let's deal with the

jihadists before we deal with the

aliens. It's also come out recently um

that Cheney was very involved in

covering this up.

No longer around, obviously. [laughter]

>> What are you saying? Something nefarious

that the the aliens killed him because

he knew too much?

>> No. No. I'm saying he maybe maybe it'll

lead to change that he's no longer

around.

>> I don't think it was them. He had a

heart that plugged into the wall. Okay.

This this guy was not well when he died.

But uh

>> No, I didn't mean like that. I mean, he

was involved in the decision to to not

have it go public.

>> My guess is he would have had

Hallebertton digging on the planet X-ray

[laughter] before they ever signed a

deal, but not to speak ill of the dead,

but um so

>> what do you think will happen now?

You've seen you've seen this

documentary, you've see how the truth is

starting to come out. What do you think

will happen?

>> Well, again, I I I think the Spielberg

movie is go I mean, it's Steven

Spielberg. I think this will be sort of

the um

ultimate moment in his amazing career.

Uh

because uh as we were starting to say,

movies do move people. People are a

mass. They they are the masses. They're

called the masses for a reason. They're

not called the bunch of intellectuals.

>> They're the masses. I love them. I'm not

putting them down, but I'm just saying

>> masses need to be moved by mass

entertainment.

>> And and that has, you know, Hollywood,

which I criticize a lot and they deserve

it a lot, but Hollywood uh show business

in general, uh is responsible for

societal change probably more than any

other part of society. I'm talking about

>> could agree with you more,

>> you know,

>> and he's the greatest filmmaker of all

time.

>> He is absolutely. I always say about

him, he's known as the greatest

filmmaker and he's still underrated.

>> Uh but like if you go back to

Gentleman's Agreement in 1947, which is

about anti-semitism,

which is back in style, but back then

they were against it and they made

movies like that. Uh racial issues,

who's coming, guess who's coming to

dinner in 1967.

gay issues, uh, AIDS, disabilities,

nuclear energy, China syndrome. I mean,

when Hollywood addresses an issue, it

does change minds. And it's mostly been

for the better. It's mostly been, you

know, liberal people saying, you know

what, let's move up on this. Now, you

know, we've we entered a woke era where

I think we went a few subway stops past

where we should have gotten off on some

things, but basically Hollywood has been

a force for good in opening people's

eyes to a lot of social issues that they

need have their eyes open to. And now I

think it, you know, if we can like step

up and do our part, it will be this

issue. It will be technology, which

really is the social issue of the day.

Yeah, I know it it is categorized

differently as technology, but I mean

when AI is poised to take, you know, God

knows how many jobs from people, not to

mention transform life in every other

way. It's a social issue. It of course

is a social issue. And uh you know this

look I don't know what the aliens

[laughter]

I don't know what they think of AI but

I'm guessing that that's another trigger

moment for them just the way the nuclear

was. I mean we got nuclear in 45. We got

AI we got chat GPT on the phone in 2023

or 2022 something like that. Okay. That

to me is another really watershed

moment.

>> Yeah. And to them, you know, I'm

guessing it's like, okay,

as you said at the beginning of the

show, we're getting maybe we're

threatening them a little bit, getting

closer to par with what they know. I

think we're still a long way away. But

of course, if you were prudent as

aliens, I think we all know are

>> we're getting to a level where they have

to contend with us.

>> They would have to contend with us. and

they, you know,

>> the, you know, um, I do think that and I

hope that the combination of of my

documentary, The Disclosure, and and

Steven's film Disclosure Day, you know,

will will reach the masses and impact

the way the average person thinks about

this topic.

>> What do you think the aliens are

thinking as they're obviously watching

this right now? because they obviously

have the techn we AI has the technology

to monitor everything. So we have it

they certainly are have it.

>> So somebody is is monitoring this right

now. Somebody or something.

>> What do you think they're thinking about

what we're saying? And before I let you

answer, may I just say I have always

felt that aliens were among the finest

people in my in my district. Uh Mr.

chairman, I have to go to another

meeting now, but I just want to say they

are the salt of the earth. [laughter]

I'm doing the speech from Godfather,

too.

>> But really, what do you what do you

think they're thinking? Like, great

guys. They get it about us.

>> I mean, obviously, it's pure

speculation, but you know, the the

interesting thing about that question is

my takeaway from making this film is

that we're not dealing with one

non-human intelligent life. My take my

take away is that

>> there's a lot of intelligent life out

there and that they they like humans,

they probably all have different

intentions and different points of view.

>> You just opened up a can of worms. I'm

going to have to have another drink. So

yeah, you're right. Like we're talking

about the like like

>> it's a singular force. It's not.

>> So

>> it's like talking about the government

as a singular thing when you know

there's all these moving parts

>> and is there evidence of that like like

different aircraft, different bodies?

>> Yes. Yes.

>> So the one of the intell

>> they must be aware of each other. One of

the really brave things someone said in

my film, uh, Hal Pudof, who's, you know,

considered a gray beard in the

intelligence community, he's worked on a

lot of classified UAP programs. He says

on camera that the recoveries have

included the the crashed UAP that have

been retrieved. Those crash sites have

included the bodies of nonhumans and

that the bodies were not all the same

type, implying different species,

>> but could be different species who are

working and living together.

>> Yeah, sure. Anything's possible. I mean,

you're guessing.

>> I mean, certainly that's what's going on

on every starship I've ever seen on

television. I mean, uh, from Star Trek

to to the Orville or, you know, any of

those shows, there's always uh, you

know, humans like Captain Kirk working

with Vulcans like Mr. Spock. And then

there's the robot guy. And then there's

the guy with the looks human, but she's

really a hot chick. And they just make

her eyebrows look weird. and she's got

pointy something and but she's still a

hot chick and you know just there's

everything. Um

so that could be the case or it could be

because certainly they're working in

concert. Certainly they are not beefing.

>> Well,

>> we would know that.

>> Well, we don't I I don't I don't I don't

think we would know.

>> We would if they were beefing right

above us.

>> Non-human intelligent life that we're

not fully aware of has conflict. I I I

think it's naive to think we would

understand that.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> You But you they wouldn't be trying to

in some way defeat each other.

>> I mean, I I I think all all

possibilities are on the table. I really

do. I think it

>> I think that

what is really happening is probably

scenarios that we can't even imagine.

>> Yeah, that's right. I agree.

>> You know, like we're looking at this all

through Yeah. our lenses, right? and

what we understand. Um, but I think

>> you think we'll catch up to that in your

lifetime.

>> No,

>> no.

>> I think the base facts

I think my film brings out the base

facts. I mean, to be honest, I think

this film is disclosure. This is 34

really high level military government

intelligence officials

>> breaking their silence on what they can

lawfully disclose, telling you what they

have become aware of, putting their

reputation on the line to tell you the

facts and let you know this is real.

Here's the circumstances. here's how we

got here. Here's the lay of the land.

Just putting it all on the table, right?

>> I think, you know, for optics that can

be upped by a president stepping to the

microphone and definitively saying it,

but we already just got told the truth.

You know,

>> like Rubio's one of the, you know,

Rubio's on camera in that in my film

more than 33 other people, right? 32

other people. And now he's our Secretary

of State, our national security adviser.

He's not a lunatic who said crazy things

and then got pushed aside. He said very

important, serious things and then he

got put in the second most powerful

position on the planet.

>> Well, to be fair, there are lunatics in

our government. He is not one of them.

>> No, he's definitely not one of them.

>> He is one of the more adults.

>> He's a he's a very thoughtful

serious person.

>> No, I I'm very glad he's there.

>> Yeah.

>> Because uh I don't know if you saw him

standing behind Trump the other day when

Trump was saying uh we're taking over

Venezuela. And he's got Oh, Jesus. You

know, and then of course he comes back

the next day. It reminds me a little

like Bush and Tony Blair. Bush would say

something stupid and then Tony Blair

would translate it into English and we'd

all be reassured and then Rubio comes

out the next day. We're not taking over

Venezuela. Okay, we're we're we're we're

affecting the policy and you know and

that's okay. I'm I'm glad there's adults

and and I'm glad on this issue that he

is he is one of them because you know it

it is going to take balls. It's one of

the reasons why I do think that we might

see, you know, the current president,

you know, not this week, not next week,

but sometime in the near future step to

the microphone and make that statement

because he's got Rubio behind him and

Rubio is so aware of the truth and he's

become even more aware of the truth now

that he's the national security adviser.

>> I'm I'm absolutely sure Trump will do

the right thing with this as long as it

involves making money from crypto.

[laughter] Okay? as long as the

disclosure will also involve a

tremendous payoff to the family because

uh he does he does remind me of a uh a

very corrupt sheriff who also does clean

up the town so places

sometimes he does clean up the town

where

>> the payoff will be huge. I mean I think

I think that is a move that would be you

know the response would be incredible.

It would get so much support around the

world for someone to find a leader, you

know, a leader, you know, of the free

world to step to the microphone and tell

all of humanity the truth at once about

the biggest cover up in the history of

the world. I mean, it's it's it'd be a

pretty amazing moment. So, I I do hope

it happens.

>> I I Yeah, I mean, that's a very

optimistic view that people would take

it um with, you know, such a plum. Maybe

they will. Uh again, I I feel like a lot

of the reason why they haven't disclosed

stuff is because they do fear panic that

the government does that a lot. Look at

how they overreacted to COVID and lied

about certain. Now, I'm not Please don't

start with the antivaxer. I'm glad we

got the vaccine and it saved millions of

people's lives. I didn't want it. Okay.

Said my thing. But the government did

suppress a lot because they were just

afraid that people if they heard the

wrong information which wasn't always

wrong, they would do the wrong thing.

They don't really trust the people. So

whether they will trust them with an

issue like this, I do think that's a

bigger part of it than than you seem to

want.

>> No, no, I think No, I think it's a huge

I think it's a huge problem. Yeah. So

look, like I said earlier, this this

technology, one of the takeaways from

making this film became very clear to me

that this technology that UAP have the

technology that make UAP work that

technology can be used to revolutionize

the way we live or it can destroy

everything. You can literally I mean

just to say it clearly, it can be used

to instantaneously

deliver a nuclear weapon to the other

side of the planet. That is the most

terrifying thing of all time, right? And

so if you if you make that technology

public and this new energy source

public, people could weaponize it. So so

so yes, there 100% everyone I

interviewed talked about how that is the

humanitarian issue that we face and it's

held back sharing this for a very long

time.

>> And the only way forward to make it

public and get those benefits would be

to open up some of it, the base facts

about it and and and treat it like we

treat nuclear technology, right? like

that became a humanitarian issue.

Nuclear technology is known. We know we

we use it for good. And we also know

that nuclear weapons exist. The average

person is not told about like the

capabilities of nuclear weapons, the

vulnerabilities, how many we have, how

many are being made, where they're

stored.

>> No, we we know that.

>> No, we don't. There's tons of

information about nuclear weapons that

are classified.

>> Okay, we know how many we have. It's in

treaties. I I could tell you how many we

have. I don't think that information is

all out there to be honest. But the the

>> But you have no but you're not you're

just you're just saying that you don't

have any you don't have any reason to

say that and I don't think

>> well this analogy has been made to me

has been made to me by a number of

intelligence officials and government

officials how that is the only actual

reference point for how to handle this

and make it a humanitarian issue. you

know, use the technology

openly

for for for good. And and yes,

>> I'm just saying when it comes to like

knowing how many nuclear weapons we

have, we do know and we do know what

they can do. I mean, we've been trying

to reduce the number for decades and

decades. Some people have made some

progress. We used to actually have more.

We still have way too many. I mean, we

have enough to like destroy the planet a

zillion times over. So, what's the

point? But, you know, there was a time

when we and the Soviet Union each had

something like 30,000

30,000 nuclear weapons. I mean, what

would it take to just create a total

nuclear winner? Probably less than a

hundred.

>> Yeah. I mean,

>> so what was the point of 30,000? So,

they got it down, but it's still it's

still I don't know what it is now,

10,000 or something. But it's it's a

crazy number still. But we do know not

everything is a giant secret. It doesn't

matter.

>> I mean, it doesn't I mean is I I think

there's a lot regarding weapons that is

classified but maybe I'm sure it is the

point but the point they're making is

>> I don't I don't want Joe Blow to know

where they all are.

>> Yeah. I mean yeah the point the point

they're making is like

>> to to get the benefit of this technology

you'd have to make a lot of this public.

But there's a downside to that cuz bad

actors could use that information

>> to create weapons of mass destruction.

And so that's this humanitarian issue

that that exists right now that is a

real hurdle. Um

>> but we have had the ability to destroy

the world since 1945. I mean that's

really the big uh changeover point in

history. Not this with the aliens. This

will be bigger in different ways. But

yeah, could they wipe us out? Yes. But

we've had the ability as we never had

before 1945 to wipe out ourselves.

Before that, it was always well, you

know, that's a thing God will do or he

won't do. You know, God will come. Jesus

is going to come down and, you know,

they're going to kill everybody except

the 144,000 Jews. They get uh

grandfathered into heaven and whatever

that [ __ ] is. Uh but now we really

do. I mean, mankind has, what is he

saying? What does Oppenheimer say? He's

we have become the destroyer

>> of worlds. Yeah.

>> The destroyer of worlds. I mean, that's

a sea change. And again, I think that's

what [laughter]

alarmed the aliens because maybe they I

don't know what other planets are like

or where they're from or uh whether they

they're eyeing this as as some sort of

great place or some I mean it

>> there's a lot of what ifs. I mean like

here's a what if. What if this

trajectory we're on technologically was

a trajectory that another species or

another form of humanity was on

somewhere else and it led to

destruction? you know, and they're

they're watching us to see if history's

going to repeat itself. You know, are we

on the same trajectory that other people

have been on in the past? Who knows?

>> But I'm just saying, I mean, people have

always talked about Earth like it's the

Goldilock planet. And when you look at

other planets, they are awful, desolate.

I mean, I've done two very funny,

[laughter]

I must say, editorials about how silly

it is for us and Elon Musk in particular

to be so all head up on getting to Mars.

Mars. Like, how bad would we have to rat

[ __ ] this planet where it was worse than

a place that's 270 degrees below zero,

has no air, has sixmon giant dust

storms, you have to live underground

because of the radiation. I mean, how

bad would it have to get? Every planet

looks like a horrible [ __ ] hole. So,

like, if I was an alien, I'd be like,

whoa, this place has Cabo, you know?

this this place has beaches and it's

balmy and it's nice. Now, maybe that

doesn't affect them, but maybe it does.

That I think could be the fact that

we're so attractive. I mean, makes them

want to rape us.

[laughter]

>> Stumped you on that one, Doc. Huh?

>> Yeah. I mean I I personally think Musk

knows a lot more about uh

>> Musk

>> this situ Elon I think he knows a lot

more about this situation than

>> do tell

>> than than he has talked about

>> it's it's impossible to have

>> the level of clearances he has and

operate in space and not be aware of

these facts. I mean there are numerous

NASA astronauts, highly respected NASA

astronauts who have come back and talked

about UAP activity they saw while in

space, right?

>> Um there is a number of um there's a lot

of activity that's been documented in

space. A number of the intelligence

officials I interviewed talked talked to

me about it. Um I had like a I had a

section that was going to be about this

in the film and I just cut it for time

cuz I had to get this thing under two

hours. But uh if I put everything in

there I wanted it would have been four

hour movie. Well the whole thing was a

director's cut because an independent

film there there's no studio. [laughter]

>> No but I mean director's cut meaning

make a longer version just like we're

doing. This is a longer version of what

we started on.

>> I might make a sequel. I might make a

sequel. There's been um seen a lot of

excitement.

>> Maybe the aliens could partner with it.

Just provide some of the financing.

>> That would be nice. You know

>> they must be flush. [laughter]

>> I've thought about it. I've thought

about a sequel. We'll see. We'll see

what what happens.

>> Yeah, let's see what happens.

>> Yeah, I want to see what happens inside

of government. I

>> see what happens after the Spielberg

movie.

>> Yeah,

>> the Spielberg movie is going to be very

good for you and and for the this idea

of getting I mean just a lot more people

are going to be asking the question that

you are prompting them to ask that needs

to be you know fairly settled as we said

in the way that evolution was at some

point settled climate change at some

point was settled. Let's move on to the

next realistic question.

>> Yeah.

>> Which as you say is who are they? What

do they want?

>> Yeah.

>> And you know and and

>> how do we communicate with them?

>> And is the US leading in this technology

race? That's super important, you know.

>> And if they say take us to your leader,

who do we say is our real leader?

Because [laughter] we I mean, come on.

We don't want to we don't want to take

them there because he'll show them the

ballroom. It'll be all about the

ballroom. I know you came a long way,

but I just want to say [laughter]

>> I want to see it happen. I want to see

him and Rubio step to the microphone and

tell us the truth. That's really truly

what I want to see happen. And you know,

>> well, he he's got the balls to do it.

I'll give him that.

>> You know, in in the movie, um, we put

the Kennedy Space Race speech, key part

of it, where he says that technology has

no conscious of its own. It's up to

mankind whether they use it for good or

for bad. And that is why, as to quote

Kennedy, he said, that's why it's

imperative the US help lead the way so

they can be a part of the decision to

use space technology for good. And he

compares it to nuclear technology. He's

like, space technology, like nuclear

technology, has no conscious of its own.

And this is that situation on steroids.

And so I do think it calls for a leader

to step up and say that. Say that.

>> Oh, it definitely does.

>> This technology could be used for good,

could be used for bad. The US wants to

help make sure it's used for good. And

we're going to put our resources and our

brain power towards it. that would rally

academia, the scientific community

>> if they do say take us to your leader

and and that is Donald Trump. I mean, he

is the president of America and that is

the leader of the free world. If they're

going to base their ideas about how we

all are, I mean, he, you know, he's got

some points that aren't completely

horrible, but I mean, there's a lot

there. There's a lot there that's going

to make them go, "What the [ __ ] have we

gotten us into here?" I mean, uh, I

don't I wouldn't want them to think

we're that narcissistic.

Uh, I wouldn't want them to think we're

that corrupt, you know? I mean, um, I

feel like he really does want to clean

up the town. He does want to be the hero

sheriff who cleans up the town. And I'm

not going to lie and say that there's

things that don't need cleaning up. I

mean, the borders were too open. You

know, colleges are crazy out of control.

I could go on. Um but I would hate the

aliens to base their uh judgment on us

based on how he has um handled these

issues. even when he identifies, you

know, I I don't want to put tariffs on

spacecraft, [laughter]

you know, I mean, just it just wouldn't

be a good look for the for humans. I

mean, I don't know who the human is. I

would like for them to see.

>> I would imagine that we're viewed as as

a whole.

>> That's that's my takeaway. I think that

humanity is viewed as a whole. Like,

we're all in this together. And if and

and the reality of it is, you know, like

not a great look that Putin's invading

sovereign nations, right? Not a good

look that people

>> I would not want them to base

>> I would rather them base us on Trump

than Putin. Okay.

>> I mean, there are worse guys. I mean,

yeah, but okay. So,

>> but you think here's the other thing

like just you just got to also think

about all the technology technological

breakthroughs that could come out of

this. There's a scene part of my Rubio

interview that ended up getting cut out

um for time was he spent a few minutes

talking making the point that there were

like 35,000 I think it was maybe 32,000

uh really significant inventions that

came off the back of the space race

right it was a single mission get get to

the moon but all these other inventions

came off the back of that technology

race that impact our life um every day

and his point was we don't know

>> I remember you made yeah you said I I

but there's a lot there's a lot of

things and and and stuff that has um um

helped make progress in in the medical

field.

>> GPS, didn't we get that from this?

>> I think so. I think so. I don't to be

honest, I don't remember. Um but his

point was we don't know what's going to

come off the back of taking this more

seriously and putting the right power

and resources towards this and

>> and you know, it's foolish to to

>> to rule out the fact that it might

change our lives for the better.

>> You know, we don't know. It might.

>> So, look, I my hope is that just that

happens.

>> I mean, to quote every

invader ever, resistance is feudal.

Resistance is feudal. I mean, if they if

they want to kick our ass, I'm sure they

can. So, I mean, probably best to make

friends with Keano Reeves

>> like that

>> and just get our [ __ ] together as a

species, you know? Yeah, that's not

going to happen because we're so

divided. I once did a whole thing about

this. Like when I was a kid and they

said, well, mankind would unite if there

was an attack from Mars.

>> What's that Reagan speech? Remember the

Reagan gave that speech in the UN. He

says, I often think that nothing would

unite all of humanity and make us see

what we have in common.

>> They would not. It would not happen. As

soon as the aliens landed, the

Republicans and the Democrats would try

to get them to be on their side against

the other party.

>> He's reminded me of another funny uh

actually it's probably the only funny

thing said in in my documentary. Rubio

says this is this is not a partisan

issue in our country. And he slides in,

at least not yet.

>> And uh and I think he I think he's right

that eventually, you know, disclosure

will happen on bigger level and then

we'll find some sort of like partisan

divide. Candace Owens the day after they

land is not going to be saying, "You

know what? Let's all get together,

people. Uh, let's No, she's going to say

some crazy shit." And there's going to

be 5 million people who see it and

follow that and and Tucker Carlson is

going to be doing that same [ __ ] And

there's going to be people on the left,

not as crazy, but crazy also, who are

going to do stuff like that. I I just

don't see that as our saving grace.

Okay. So before I forget, I want to

because

>> the one issue I want to get to only

because I know someone who had an

experience. You mentioned contact

before.

>> I know someone who actually feels like

they saw something on the ground, you

know, Men in Black kind of stuff,

>> which we haven't talked about yet.

>> They thought they were abducted or they

just saw

>> No, no, no, not abducted. just went out

to the woodshed late at night

>> and opened the door and there was

obviously something there that was not a

bobcat.

>> Wow.

>> Where

>> I can't say

>> I can't say anything more.

>> Sworn to secrecy.

>> Uh this person is very it it spooked him

and he's not an easily spooked person

but yes um I'm guessing he's not the

only one who has such an experience.

I've heard from a lot of people ever

since I before the movie came out when I

put the trailer online in uh January of

last year I started people started

reaching out to me very credible people

um some Hollywood folks like filmmakers

who have a filmmaker who won best

picture reached out to me to share the

story he saw

>> I I don't know if [clears throat]

Hollywood and credible are the two words

you want to put together this particular

person was very credible no there are

some

>> senators there's a senator who's never

spoken up publicly about this topic

ever. He reached out to talk about um

something him and his son witnessed on a

fishing trip and he was like, "I'm

really glad you're getting this movie

out there. People need to learn. There's

more out there than us." And that was a

wild conversation.

>> What happened on the fishing trip?

>> They were on a fishing trip um out in

open water and they saw a giant craft

right above their heads.

>> That's all he told me. But super serious

guy. I never I never spoken to him

prior. He reached out

>> that you hear a lot. I'm talking about

>> I mean that's pretty extraordinary

>> it that it's very extraordinary but it's

still um a little bit removed from

actually being here in some sort of form

on Earth

that you hear a lot that I really don't

doubt anymore. There's just too many

sightings of that where they're

observing from close quarters but not

here.

>> So this friend of yours saw a being

>> a being.

>> Yeah.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. I mean, one of the intelligence

officials in the film goes, you remember

the guy Dre Stratton, who I talked about

earlier, he goes on record in the film

saying that he has seen a non-human

being with his own eyes. And uh

>> well, if we have the corpses,

>> right, that is that in dispute anymore?

>> I don't I don't think so.

>> You don't think so?

>> No.

>> We have alien corpses.

>> Numerous

very senior intell.

And people have said, I mean, I know

people in the movie that you made say,

"If you saw what I saw with my own

eyes,"

right?

>> Yeah.

>> I'm assuming that's what they're talking

about. They've seen

>> Yeah.

>> an actual body.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, I mean, it's one thing

>> people have testified under oath to

Congress saying this. You know, David

Grush, one of the intelligence officials

who testified, he talked about

non-human bodies that have been

recovered.

>> I mean, it it makes a difference when,

now this is not firsthand cuz I haven't

seen it, but it makes a difference to me

when somebody very close to a situation

says they saw something like to give an

analogy. [laughter] That's ridiculous.

But I remember having a discussion a

long time ago, some bunch of people

sitting around and somebody said Tom

Cruz was gay, which was a rumor that was

going around for a while because they

say about everybody who's successful.

Um, and somebody who is a another movie

star said, "I saw Tom Cruz with my own

eyes. [ __ ] a girl." And this is a long

time ago when they were very young, but

still it was like it always ask him why.

It always stuck with me, you know, just

like watching [laughter]

>> I exact. Well, you know what? When

you're 22 and you're on a movie set, it

could happen. I'm not saying he watched

him do it. I'm saying he he saw with his

own eyes Tom Cruz. Okay. So, like that

to me always said like, okay, you know

what? However many times you want to

convince me that so and so is gay or so

and so is gay, you know? At the end of

the day, you're just [ __ ] pulling

[ __ ] out of your ass. Anyway,

>> look, I really,

>> as far as this goes, like if somebody

credible says something like this, it

just it just adds a lot of weight for

me. Yeah.

>> And and so

>> to me, that's the greatest evidence

because I've said this on on a bunch of

interviews I've done about the movie. I

fullheartedly believe you could put a 4K

video taken from a military base of a

UFO over a nuclear weapon site and half

the human population will say it's fake.

It's made by AI.

>> Some Hollywood producer did it. Like

that's where we're at as a society. But

people putting their reputation on the

line. I mean a number of the people in

my film intend to run for president one

day.

>> You know, a number of the people in my

film are still actively working in the

intelligence community. They these are

people who have a lot to lose by

destroying their reputational [ __ ]

>> But what I want to go deeper a little

into this thing about the Men in Black

aspect of it because that doesn't it

seems to be the one part you don't

really get into too much.

>> Like um

>> we talk about the we talk about the

legacy program that a number of people

in my film reveal that the program that

has been keeping this all away from the

public. It's referred to as the legacy

program. We in the film they break down

which elements of government are in it.

Uh the CIA, the Air Force, uh the

Department of Energy and major defense

contractors make up this this program

called the Legacy Program. I I

personally think that when people have

historically referred to quote unquote

men in black, they're referring to

people who have been affiliated with the

legacy program. That's what I think.

But I'm asking about the idea that there

are beings say they are able to take

human form. I personally don't think

they're there doing that right now. I

think that's a movie.

>> Yeah. I don't I've never heard that.

>> Okay. But that would be the next step

for them to do. I mean, if they wanted

to really get up close and personal. I

mean, certainly that's Men in Black.

That's also the movie um you know what's

the they redid it with Nicole Kidman.

Uh, you know,

>> uh, that body snatchers.

>> No, it's the it's body snatchers. Yes,

exactly. The body snatchers.

>> Um,

I I think that's science fiction quite

frankly. And I think so.

>> And it it sort of hurts the cause when

people go to these places. Yeah.

>> Maybe where we're not yet.

>> Um,

>> yeah. But the idea that they're that

they would want to have some sort of

presence actually on the ground,

it's not crazy to me because wouldn't

you want to do you think you can really

get every bit of information you need

from hovering in a spacecraft? I mean,

at some point, don't you have to sort of

like get a little more up close and

personal with planet Earth and the

people in it before I mean, how did they

get the people? They must have landed at

some point if What do you think about

the what was the book Communion which

was the big book?

>> I didn't I didn't get into abductions in

the film because I thought, you know, I

was I was making this film for the

masses, right? For your average person

who's hasn't already gone down the

rabbit hole and and kind of been

convinced by this is this is supposed to

be a very digestible, accessible film,

right? So, I didn't get into that cuz it

was a bridge communion. I think it's a

bridge too far.

>> If people you did the whole thing. No,

for for my film I thought it was a

pretty far. I do think there's a there

there I have talked to a number of

people who

>> I mean if people don't remember what

communion was, it's a book that Whitley

Striber I think was the author and what

it basically was I'm really you know

back of the envelope here but

>> a lot of people had a very very similar

experience. That's why he calls it

communion. And when you ask them, I

think independently, but certainly in a

group, um, what was what happened? They

just had this experience. It involved

someone and they kind of describe him

the same way, like 4 foot tall, the

almond eyes, the, you know, it's it's

the classic.

>> I interviewed military personnel, like

real people with great resumes who had

experiences on military bases and then

claim that they were abducted. I I

interviewed them and it's very

compelling to hear them talk and people

who don't know each other having similar

stories. It's it's extremely compelling.

>> But why do you think they they all look

I mean they they all say like 4 foot

tall like

>> Well, they don't all say that to be

clear. They they they

there's there's different there's a few

different

>> they all did in communion. That's that

seemed to be

>> maybe that was just the species that was

in vogue at the time. Well, in that

book, that's what they talk about. But,

>> but I mean, if they really are that

advanced, wouldn't they be taller? I

mean, they must know that everybody

swipes left on any.

>> There's a few different there's a few

different types of being that are

described regularly by people who say

they've been abducted. There's, if you

want to go down a really interesting

rabbit hole, there's there's a um

>> there's a uh psych a famous psychiatrist

who who's passed away. He died in a

horrible accident. Um, but his name was

John Mack and he was the head of child

psychiatry at Harvard.

>> And you say it was an accident.

>> He I do I do believe it was an accident.

He was riding his bike and he got hit by

a car. But I think I I think

>> he got hit by a spaceship riding his

bike.

>> Well, you should read his books. He he

was a very straightlaced uh

psychiatrist. He was at the time he was

the most famous child psychiatrist in

the world. and um he started seeing some

patients who had claimed to be abducted

and he at first thought maybe they just

you know were crazy people and then he

started to go down the rabbit hole a

little more and he started to believe

that what these people say they

experienced they really did experience

he started to find all these

commonalities people had no relationship

to each other

>> well that's that was what was compelling

about that book I'm not saying I'm 100%

believing it but I do remember it at the

time and I do remember a lot of people

talking about it and it was uh to say

the least odd. Now there are odd

psychological phenomenon that do happen

here on earth. Yeah.

>> Um but it was odd that so many people

would have such a similar uh memory of

something and it was a vague memory.

They you know they seem to have been uh

uh abducted if this is the story. They

you know they came back and it was like

boy my ass is sore either. Not everyone.

Not everyone. That that's that's a I've

actually interviewed a lot of people who

say they abducted that had did not have

that experience, but it did happen to

some people.

>> Okay. Well, let's just say the

good-looking ones. Uh they, you know,

either the aliens abducted me or there

was something at John Waters after

Halloween party. No, but uh you know it

just seemed like there was

>> this is why I didn't include it because

it's a slippery slope to someone not

taking it serious and you know [snorts]

but I take everything serious.

>> I think there's I think there's a I

think there's a there there as bizarre

as that is and

>> well I I feel like it's moved in phases.

I feel like there was the Roswell phase

and then there was a phase where they

seemed to be and this also is um

uh what's the close encounters that

seems to be that phase where they were

more they were interested in getting up

close and personal and they did need to

find out what a human body was like and

maybe that is what the anal probes were

all about. Well, I mean, a moment in

Close Encounters that most people forget

about is at the very end when the craft

lands and the doors open, people walk

off of it.

>> Yes.

>> Pilots, Air Force pilots from the 50s or

the 60s,

>> that haven't aged a day,

>> right? And

I think he put that in the movie because

he knew that the abduction situation is

a real situation and wanted to at least

address it a little bit but did in a way

genius Spielberg way where a lot of

people don't even pay attention to it.

They just the whole buildup to the craft

landing was enough for them and you know

>> well he put that in a movie because he

works in Hollywood and in Hollywood if

you say haven't aged a day you got me.

[laughter]

>> All right. I think a lot fascinating

stuff, man.

>> This is fascinating stuff and I think

you're doing a great job getting it out

there. It's important work. I think you

will be remembered for your important

work.

>> I appreciate you, you know, paying

attention to using your platform

attention to this this topic.

>> I I I you know, I take [ __ ] from both

sides because people they say they want

honesty, they [music] don't.

>> You're from Jersey like me.

>> I'm from Jersey like you.

>> So that's that's how you got to be

>> [music]

>> All right, pal.

>> Thank you. Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

>> All right.

[laughter] Good pino.

>> Next one now. Oh, no. That's the light.

>> I love this pad you got here.