Original subtitles

Hello and welcome back to The Traitors: Uncloaked,

the official visualised podcast, hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

I am contractually obliged to give you a spoiler warning immediately.

This show is full of them. So, if you haven't seen the most recent

episode of The Traitors, please get on to BBC iPlayer right now.

Coming up...

We have the exclusive moment

murdered Anna and banished Alex

found out who the Traitors are.

They'll both be here later to discuss their time in the castle.

Plus, comedian, Strictly champion and Traitor superfan

Chris McCausland and Series One icon Amanda are here to pick apart

all of this episode's treachery.

And I'll be joined by my new friend, Jean.

JEAN: I hate you.

Oh.

Welcome to Traitors: Uncloaked.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Chris and Amanda, welcome, welcome. So there's so much

we need to cover today, guys.

The Faithfuls developing some gameplay and tactics

to try and catch the Traitors out.

We've got the creepy and hilarious doll's house mission,

where Jake picks himself up a shield.

Plus, is Charlotte already plotting to backstab Minah?

Let's remind ourselves of where that episode left us hanging,

in the Traitors turret.

So it looks like the possible options could be

Lisa, Jake or Joe.

Obviously, two are a massive risk.

One of them could have the shield, and we could pick the one

with the shield. In which case, that could

shake things up a bit at breakfast. Yeah.

Lisa, Jake or Joe. So, obviously, there's a bit of a risk there

because Jake's got a shield,

they don't know Jake has a shield. Mm-hm. Amanda, do you think they'll

go with Jake, or do you think they'll go with

the safer option? I think they'll go with the safer option.

Do you think? Yes.

They seem quite brazen about it, though.

They're like, maybe just take a punt and see what happens.

Everybody else in that group of Jake's

knows he's got the shield. Is that right?

Apart from Alexander. Ah. And they've specifically

not told Alexander... To see if he's a Traitor or not. Wow, this is like

Coleen Rooney, isn't it, on, er...? LAUGHTER

This is like Wagatha Christie all over again!

Do we think that they've made their first mistake, Chris?

Because I think we know from previous series that

the only option should be splitting the Traitors across two groups.

If they'd had a Traitor there,

they would have been able to see who had the shield.

Well, I mean, everybody knows you've got to split your Traitors.

Um, Minah did bow out gracefully.

Um, I think she's hoping that's how it was taken,

isn't she? I think so. I think she wants to speak, but also,

not cause too much trouble. I think that's Minah's entire tactic.

Yeah. Do you think she's... Do you think she's being

a good Traitor, Amanda? As a former Traitor yourself.

I think she's playing it really well.

Um, the only thing I think

is that, um, perhaps she's putting all her eggs in one basket.

With Charlotte? With sisterhood, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, the name of the game is Traitors. Yeah.

Charlotte is going to definitely throw Minah under the bus,

if she's got the chance. If I'm honest, I find the way that

Minah's playing this game both incredibly sexy and scary...

ED LAUGHS ...which I think makes it sexier.

LAUGHTER

But we do have another Traitor now. We have Charlotte.

And I think....I was not expecting this from Charlotte.

When Minah recruited Charlotte, I was thinking, no,

she's not going to be good, don't get her, she seems nervous

all of the time, and she's taken to it so well.

It's like a different person in there.

Well, she's impersonating her language, for a start, so she is

carrying through with the lie, isn't she?

So, yeah, I think she would be easy to adapt.

Speaking of the fake accent, we do have to ask you, Amanda... Yes.

...what do you think of Charlotte's fake accent? Um...

LAUGHTER

Well, she's getting away with it, but, yeah, I wouldn't tell her

to apply for a job sounding Welsh.

You know? Yeah. It's not THAT good. LAUGHTER

I mean, if anything, yours is the accent that sounds like it's

over the top. Listen, now, Chris... LAUGHTER

Yours... If I was going to do a fake accent, it would be...

MIMICS WELSH ACCENT: ..it would be the one that was really,

really quite strong! LAUGHTER

That was terrible, wasn't it? That was so bad! Can we edit

that bit out? Yeah. Chris, we are not editing that out.

She didn't really have a choice, did she? No. You know?

Do you want to leave the show and go home,

without anybody knowing that you've made this moral decision,

or do you still want the chance to win some money?

LAUGHTER

And it took her a while.

It took her a while. She had to phone a friend.

LAUGHTER Um, but she's... Her friend

had no idea who it was on the other end of the line.

Yeah... LAUGHTER

"Who do I know from Wales?" Yeah!

So, this episode was also dominated by Alex

totally putting his foot in it.

Let's revisit that moment in the kitchen.

I feel like looking at Linda's voting pattern as well -

she hasn't thrown a Traitor under the bus.

What do you mean, she's not thrown a Traitor

under the bus? No, we... Well, this is...

There's only been Armani that got voted out.

She never voted for Armani.

But how do we know she's not thrown

a Traitor under the bus? Well, we don't know. There's only been...

Wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't know if she hasn't.

From what we know and the Traitors that we know of,

she hasn't thrown any of them under the bus yet.

Very, very awkward. Yeah! LAUGHTER

He knew, the moment he said it,

and he was like, "Oh, what have I just said?"

I don't get this. I honestly don't get it.

I thought what Alex said was absolutely,

perfectly a normal thing for a normal person to say.

I think when you're in the castle, honestly, you're just getting

so paranoid that if somebody mentions something

out of context, a bit strange, like that, you just jump on it.

You think, well, why would... why would they say that?

Yeah. We'll have to put you in that castle. Yeah.

LAUGHTER

Would you go into the Traitors castle, Chris,

and tell everyone you can see? LAUGHTER

MIMICS WELSH ACCENT: I'll go in like this and I'll say,

"Hello, everybody!"

How is the Traitors experience for you, Chris, specifically?

You were saying, just before we started filming, because you've got

the audio descriptions and things like that. Yeah.

So I've been watching it and, like, the audio description,

like, it tells you all the stuff with the tasks.

And, you know, when it does the Round Table at the end,

it'll say, like, you know, "Minah puts her head in her hands."

I think they've just recorded that once, and they play it

every episode, because every episode,

"Minah puts her head in her hands." Um, but do you know what?

There's so many people and there's so many voices,

and it's so fast, with the little theories they're all trading,

that it's taken me a while to, like, get, you know,

get all of the people in my head as much as I can.

How did you feel when the people from the train came back?

You must have been like, "Oh, not them..." Oh, more of them!

So you WOULD make a good Traitor. I mean, yeah. I was the only one

that wanted to get rid of them quicker than the Traitors!

Now, another big theme of tonight's episode

was Leanne and Leon's relationship.

Uh, do we think Leon's decided, post-Death Match,

that close friendships in the game don't always work in your favour?

Chris, what do you think? He's just gone all paranoid now, hasn't he?

Yeah. And, um, he's withdrawn, which has made him more suspicious

to everybody else. Yeah.

Leon seems to have come out of the coffin a different man.

I don't know how long he was in there, but... he really seems

to have really had a think. Perhaps we should ask

that question, you know?!

Um, yeah, he is. He's just very wary of everybody.

Um, and it's coming through his body language and he's saying it.

He should try and retract and keep a bit quiet,

but still be wary of everybody.

Yeah. But he's been vocal about it, and that's why

he's got suspicions on him, I think.

But I think Leon is, I think he's going so mad with it all,

I think he might think that he might be a Traitor.

So before we speak to Alex and Anna, I do want to discuss this mission,

because this was... It felt like one of the most twisted

in Traitors history. Feels like they've just gone

absolutely wild now. The dolls singing nursery rhymes backwards

that have to be relayed to people in the house,

and then they have to rewatch...

This was written in a fever dream, this challenge. Yeah.

I mean, these dolls, I've actually got one of them here.

I've got my friend Jean here.

Um, Jean isn't particularly pleasant, I would say.

JEAN: I hate you!

I mean... Oh, God! I promise you that was a doll,

Chris, that's just not me, uh... First of all,

my daughter would love that, right?

Um...

The kids love just horrible things. LAUGHTER

And honestly, like, I would

trademark these dolls, the I Hate You range.

Well, that's just Jean, you know, that's the Jean range. Yeah. Yeah.

And we also had "I know where you sleep" as well... Wow! ..which...

That's... "Your life is going to be a failure!"

Yeah! That'd be like the biggest selling doll at Christmas!

But then, obviously, some of them had the odd backwards

nursery rhymes, though. HE SPEAKS GIBBERISH

Yeah, which was really difficult.

Although I had Three Blind Mice. I... You got...

You got that? Yeah, I got that one. Yeah, yeah.

It must have been the Welsh accent or something, was it?!

I thought Lisa had a good tactic where, when she was singing

the reverse thing into the machine, she just did the tune. Yes.

So when it was reversed, it was just the tune.

So she wasn't bothering with any of the...

HE SPEAKS GIBBERISH Yeah.

MIMICS LISA Vorsprung durch Technik!

Um... It's rare to see Claudia laughing so much

in a mission as well.

She really was having to stop the giggles,

because it was ridiculous. Yeah.

In fact, this is one of the things that made her laugh the most.

♪ Sperber Yuh, yuh, yuh, yuh

♪ Sperber Wuh, wuh, wuh... ♪

I can't deal with this!

Alexander started going all opera.

I was just stood there on the porch

looking at Claudia, thinking,

"I've lost my marbles. What is going on here?!"

♪ Sperber Yuh, yuh, yuh... ♪

Can I just say to anybody who's watching,

Alexander is single!

You see what I mean?

That does sound like a Welshman's valley choir.

Yeah, it does. He put a bit of stank on it.

Yeah, it sounds like a goat herder or something, doesn't it? Yeah.

On a mountain! Now, tonight, sadly, we lost Anna, Charlotte and Minah's

first murder victim, and Alex, who was banished.

Just before they join us on the sofa,

let's get into the exclusive moment where they discovered

who the Traitors are.

Agh!

No!

Oh, God.

Uh... Alex. What? This is crazy.

It's crazy. I'm actually delighted it's you,

because I've got a lot of burning questions. OK.

Are you a Traitor?

Do you think I'm a Traitor?

Like, all game, yes. Right now, in this moment,

no, I don't think you are.

But, like, man, I really hope you are.

Otherwise, it's really embarrassing.

OK? So, like, I kind of need you to say that you are.

I am a Faithful. No!

No! We both have to be named

just the two most unlucky players, like, ever.

We could have been such good friends!

But now that you know that I'm not a Traitor,

who do you think the Traitors are?

Potentially, Minah. Freddie.

Leon, Leanne.

Mm. Or someone who's evaded a lot of scrutiny

that I have to think of now is also Frankie. Mm-hm.

What about yourself?

Yeah. I think that Leon and Freddie would definitely be quite good.

They are... Leanne was one of my suspicions before I left.

But I also think that Joe did put out a few titbits on the carriage,

being, "Oh, I want to be a Faithful",

that perhaps that would have been quite a good guise

to be the ultimate Traitor.

Are we ready to find out who the Traitors are?

Yeah. I want to find this out.

Oh, God! This is it.

The first Traitor is...

Yes! ..Minah. Yeah!

Yeah!

I knew it!

Oh, my God! I knew it!

Do you know what? On the day that I was going from the Round Table,

there was a couple of times, like, people had kind of chucked

her name out and she looked genuinely like

she was crapping her pants. Man, all show,

I literally just, the only two people I ever said were you and her.

So at least you got one of them right. I was like,

"It's Minah." It's got to be Leon, then. Right.

Shall we do it? We shall, indeed. Let's do it.

You've got to say it. You've got to tell me who it is!

You can't just sit there, open-mouthed!

Is it Frankie? Is it Joe?

Is it Lisa? Who is it?

Who is it? Anna!

Charlotte. What?!

Oh, my giddy aunt!

As much as I've, like, redeemed myself with my theories of you,

with the Minah theory, I have truly embarrassed myself.

And they're here with us now.

Please welcome Anna and Alex! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Thank you so much for coming on Uncloaked. That was the most

entertaining video, wasn't it? Yeah. So, I mean, yeah,

that's one of the most entertaining ones we've had so far,

I think! We should just do one of you two, like,

going through the news headlines in the paper, reading them out

and going, "No!"

Um, even the shock at Alex being a Faithful,

I've never seen anyone so angry that someone's a Faithful.

Yeah. That was horrific, because I was like,

"Anna knows I'm a Faithful, right?" And they were like, "No."

And I knew that she was, like, gunning for me so bad that honestly,

I would rather have been anywhere else in the world

than walking through that door to see Anna, because I thought,

she is just going to, like, tear shreds out of me!

Yeah. Why... why were you so...

I mean, you were suspicious of each other

at certain points of the game. Why were you suspicious of Alex, though?

So I was suspicious of you because you were suspicious of me.

Classic. It was like that Spider-Man meme where, like,

everyone's pointing at each other.

But it was only because you were suspicious of me, and I'd heard

a rumour you were suspicious of me,

but I hadn't heard you bring it up at the table.

So I thought maybe you had planted seeds, you know?

Ah, right. OK. Yeah. So... And why were you suspicious of Anna,

Alex? Let's just get this all out in the air now. Yeah.

Let's... let's get this out. I feel it'll be good for us.

Um...

So I was suspicious of Anna because

initially, we were like, we gelled, like, straight away,

and then it kind of, like, fell apart a little bit,

and I was like, why was that?

And Anna just looked terrified the entire time.

And I was like... It's the expressive face. Yeah!

I genuinely was totally unaware that I'm always like this.

Yeah.

And then obviously me and my bestie, Lisa, um, were, like, chatting.

And she was like, "Did you see that thing with the boat?"

And I was like, "No! Oh, my goodness."

And like, honestly, anything that comes out that woman's mouth

I'm going to believe.

"Why didn't you tie a knot?"

"I'm not a sailor!"

I just thought the friction of the loose rope...

I don't know why I was the one to throw myself off the boat, like,

honestly, like, anyone else should have.

But a huge regret is trying to help you guys.

You were obviously delighted to find out that Minah was a Traitor.

Yeah. You got that right. Mmm.

And even in the shot we saw where you got murdered, finally,

you looked down the camera and said, "I think it's Minah."

She was my number one.

And I'd actually been thinking of her for a while

for, like, just a couple of different things she'd done,

had kind of been off, and I hadn't quite brought them up

at the Round Table, which is a massive regret.

But it's hard, because sometimes you think... basically,

when you're in there, the whole time...

I think I spent, like, 70% of the time in my own head,

which I don't think I normally do.

So I always just thought everyone thought it was me.

So because no-one was thinking it was Minah, I was like,

"I may not bring her up because that will just look like I'm a Traitor."

You know what I mean?

I don't know how to describe it. There's a different vibe in there.

Does that sound right, Amanda, for how you act? Yeah.

I think what happens is you try... Instead of just getting into it

and playing the game, your first thought is to save yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. So your initial thinking and strategy

just goes out the window because... Completely. ..you don't want to

bring attention to yourself in any way,

so you... like the herd mentality.

You do jump onto what somebody else jumps onto. Yeah.

You both seemed genuinely shocked to find out Charlotte was a Traitor.

In your defence, she had just been recruited the night before,

so that shock is understandable. Yeah.

Yeah. But, Alex, do you think Minah's made the right choice there,

with Charlotte? Yeah... Well, no. I'm not sure!

You can be honest. Yeah.

Not entirely. I think that what Minah's strength has been thus far

is that she had Linda, and Linda needed somebody to lead her,

perhaps, you know, but now she's picked Charlotte.

And I don't think Charlotte needs anybody to lead her. No.

I think that's maybe...

You know, it's switched the dynamics massively.

She's a wolf in sheep's clothing, for sure.

Anna, how did it feel when the Traitors finally caught up with you?

Because you've really been through the wringer. Yeah, yeah.

It felt like I had been through the wringer.

Honestly, I kind of felt like I was getting into my stride. Mm-hm.

It kind of felt like I was living on borrowed time.

You had the recruitment, the failed recruitment. Yeah.

So obviously, after that, you turned it down

and then you were constantly worried that... should you tell someone,

and then when you told someone,

you're worried you're going to be murdered. Yeah.

Next thing you know, you're in a death match. I know!

It was honestly brutal, and do you know what

one of the worst bits of that for me was,

was that everybody was starting to think it was me.

And I'm like, do you really think I'm so horrible that I'd be like,

"Oh, yeah, not been recruited,

"Oh, I'm just going to keep her in, put her in a death match"?

I mean, but people were.

You were very immersed in the game.

Like, I feel like you were approa... Which I loved.

You were approaching everything as if it was totally real.

Fully. Fully real. So when you came out of that coffin,

I was like, "This is like something from a Saw film."

You were so upset... I was shaking. ...shaking, which is so funny.

But, honestly, when else would you have been in the coffin?

And then they got to Alexander,

who just sort of popped up like, "Hello!"

Like a jack-in-the-box.

Just like, "Hey!"

Alex, I want to talk about the slip-up. Oh, yeah.

The kitchen slip-up -

as Joe branded it! He went, "He's done a kitchen slip-up."

It was just one of those things like, you know, I could feel

for the whole day that the tables were turning, you know?

Like, I'm not daft, you know. Like, walking in rooms,

people are, like, walking out.

And I'm like, "Ah, I see where this is going,"

like, you know? And I was getting so nervous.

And, like, Joe can be quite intense in his questioning sometimes.

So, you know, he's like,

"Well, who do you think it is?" Or, "What's your theory?"

And I was just so nervous in that moment that I just couldn't

quite articulate what it was, so I did kind of stumble.

But if he had let me finish, there was reasoning behind that.

But by that point, that was the final nail in my coffin.

Like, there was no going back from it.

And I just thought, "Do you know what?

"I'm going to go down absolutely swinging."

When I'm at that Round Table,

I'm just going to have to say all my bits exactly, you know, how it is.

And it was like a great moment of vindication for me there

at the end. How quickly did you realise that you'd made a mistake?

Do you know what? I almost knew it before I said it.

You see, I don't think you said anything wrong.

I honestly... I was so annoyed on your behalf. Yeah.

I don't think you said anything wrong.

I think what you said was perfectly normal. Absolutely.

And then everybody else jumped on it because they were

desperate for something. Exactly. What you said made perfect sense.

Well, that's what they do in there, don't they?

It's one little half a sentence in an unusual context or something.

Totally. Like, bang! I think because... By the way,

I love Amanda going, "That's what they do in there,"

as if she wasn't killing people in there.

Frankie and Lisa were both very upset about your banishment, Alex.

Yeah. It seems like you struck up some really close friendships

with them. Yeah. Especially with Lisa. Yeah.

Now, we should say, there's been some rumours going around

that Lisa's your mum, in the media.

I don't know if you've seen this. The thing is,

I received a text from my sister saying,

"Why do you look more like the priest on The Traitors

"than our mum?" And it's so true!

I looked at it and I was like,

"There's been a swap in the hospital somewhere."

What a reveal that would be on the show.

I know, right? Yeah.

We need the DNA testing done NOW.

But you did establish a lovely relationship with Lisa in there.

Yeah. And there was one particular moment that I wanted

to have a look at from this week.

Just wanted to say to you, I don't know how it's going to go tonight.

I'm going to listen to the evidence. Mm-hm.

I want you to know that I love you. Uh-huh.

I'm not going to vote for you if I don't have to. OK.

If you don't... Yeah. But I love you.

And I think you're one of

the best people I've ever met.

Oh, thank you so much.

And I just want you to know that,

in case anything happens.

Well, if that's not the words of a mother who regrets

giving their child up at birth, I don't know what is.

So a little birdie tells me as well, Alex, that you got married recently.

Congratulations. I did indeed. Thank you.

And that Lisa came to your wedding. Uh, yeah.

Lisa came at my wedding.

And so did Linda as well, actually. They both did.

Um, yeah, we had came up with this, like, elaborate kind of backstory

about when they were holidaying one time in Scotland and, like,

put all this effort in and...

Of course, because no-one at the wedding could know

who they were and how you knew them. It was in September, so...

The lies continue!

I know, I know.

And I'm like, "Linda, don't spoil this one. Come on!"

I can just see Linda at the reception just going,

"And of course, we're on The Traitors together." "Linda!"

So we had this whole story, and I think we were all feeling

really nervous that someone was going to ask about it.

Nobody even asked. But, yeah...

I don't want to jump in here and like... She is a vicar, right?

There was an easier way of getting her at the wedding.

Oh, it's only just occurred.

There was a role there that you could have given her.

Damn it! And Linda's a retired opera singer.

She could have done the reception. Absolutely.

The best thing is, though, a couple of months after, me and Linda

were in the back of the taxi and she said,

"Oh, it must have been such a good day, your wedding."

And I was like, "Linda, you were there."

And she was like, "Oh, yes!" She forgot.

You know, she's literally forgotten that she was at my wedding.

That would have been a way better technique for her as a Traitor.

I know! Deliberately forget the turret every night.

That would have been perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

So whoever gets murdered tonight, we know it's not going to be Jake

because he got the shield from the mission.

So let's remind ourselves of the group gameplay

in the doll's house.

Just explain to me what the story is behind the shield.

I got the shield. No, I know. Yes. So what do you want us to say?

So I think we should say one of us got the shield. Right.

But we're not going to say who it is. Yeah. That way,

it protects everyone. The only person that I haven't told

in this group is Alexander,

just because I don't fully trust him.

How are you feeling about the Round Table today?

I don't know. I mean, one thing in my favour is that Linda

voted for me last night. Yeah, that's what we said.

Any thoughts, Freddie?

People were thinking about either you or Leon just because of...

Yeah, yeah. Of course, it's always going to happen.

I love that moment where Jake thinks he's telling

Frankie new information. "Yeah, I know."

Yeah, "I've got the shield." And she's like,

"Yeah, I know. Obviously." She's the mum of teenagers.

You're not getting one over on her.

The way Jake got the shield, and you sort of saw in his mind

he was trying to be subtle when he was looking in the teddy bear.

And he goes, "That's not a doll. What are you doing?"

And he's like, "Oh, I'm just, um, looking for something."

I mean, this this does feel like a good bit of gameplay, though,

doesn't it? Concealing it from as many people as possible.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it gives you the best chance to follow...

You did that a lot on your series. Yeah, we did it a lot.

And it just really messes things up for the Traitors,

to be honest. Yeah. It's very inconsiderate of the Faithfuls.

Yeah, it's a huge swing from them

if they do actually go for someone from that group. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it would totally divert away from them.

Like, it's a really genius move, if you think of it.

I hope they do, because Minah seems to be saying,

"Well, even if we do go for someone and they've got the shield,

"then it'll certainly stir things up at breakfast." Yeah.

She just wants the world to burn. I know! She's Heath Ledger's Joker.

She does not care.

Well, she's had a really lucky game, you know, in the fact

that she's never really had... Like, one thing that rattles you,

and I think it's really hard to get back after you've been rattled,

is when you're accused at the Round Table by, like, not just one,

but, like, a couple of people.

And like, once you've been accused by a couple of people,

you are so rattled, and she's never really had that experience.

Obviously, she had me saying it was her,

but, like, no-one really cared.

So I just feel like she's gotten overconfident now,

you know, like, she's played an absolute blinder of a game.

But maybe she's getting a little bit overconfident. That can happen.

Thinking she can get out of anything.

I went ten, didn't I? Ten without being questioned.

And then you do get... You think you're getting away with it.

And then when you are questioned, because you're not prepared,

it does throw you. Yeah.

What I like about this series is that they're questioning,

um, why they're still in there, and we haven't seen that before. Yeah.

They're saying, "Who are we friendly with?"

Because the Traitors are keeping us in here.

So why are we still in here?

Whenever I see that, and I think everyone said it at some point

in the castle, I do think it has a lot of main character energy.

I know. To me, it does feel like people going,

"Well, you've just got to think, why am I still in here?"

It's like, maybe they've forgotten about you.

I was terrible for that. Absolutely terrible.

So, Anna, you have the rare distinction, of course,

of being at the receiving end of an attempted recruitment.

I know. Did that feel powerful when you turned that down?

Did I look powerful?

Well, I just think it must be...

I think when the Traitors try and recruit someone, they assume

they're going to say yes, and that they're in control.

You know what? For a minute,

it kind of did feel like these people have been pulling

the strings and they've been in charge of everything.

And for once, I get to make a decision and I get to...

And I really felt powerful in saying, like,

"They don't know my next move,"

because the whole game I was like, "I don't know their next move."

I'm just kind of a pawn in this game in so many elements.

And for once I was like, they don't know my next move

and they don't know who I've told. They don't know IF I've told someone,

they don't know IF I'm going to tell someone. Like Linda said, I was a ticking time bomb,

and I like to think I rattled them a little bit because, you know,

they've been really rattling me like, you know. For sure.

I mean, when you walked into breakfast the next morning... Yeah.

...and they were obviously expecting a big announcement

from you at breakfast, maybe. You know what?

I really thought about it.

I thought about walking in and saying, like,

"I've been recruited," but I think we've seen that gameplay before.

We have. And it doesn't go well.

And I kind of thought to myself, "You know what?

"As I said, I'm going to go out one way or another this evening.

"So what I'm going to do is, I'm going to tell a person

"who I truly think is Faithful, and that way when I die,

"they'll be able to reveal that at the Round Table."

The reason they wanted you, though, is cos your time was numbered.

You were a sacrifice. Absolutely. That's what you were,

so they could go... When you get, you know, voted off,

people think they've got a Traitor. Yeah.

And I knew that that was going to be the case.

I stand by my decision of not taking it, because I think I did get

an extra three days in there.

I got a got a chance to bring up Minah's name.

And I do think, you know, hopefully they follow the clues.

Alex, if you'd been recruited, what would you have done?

I think at that point I could already feel a shift in the dynamic.

So I think I would have turned it down.

However, if it was earlier on in the game, I would have loved

to have played as a Traitor, because it feels like a role,

and it's a bit play-pretend, and I love all that sort of stuff,

you know what I mean? Drama.

Yeah, like creating a bit of drama, and it's not really you,

but when you're a Faithful, and I'm sitting at that Round Table

and people are going, "Oh, you're a puppet-master, you're manipulative,"

and I'm like, "I'm just me, guys. OK?" You know what I mean?

Like, I was just playing as myself, and I felt like I was getting, like,

strips ripped out of me, like, all the time.

So I think I would have loved to have played as a Traitor.

If you were made a Traitor, who would you have killed? Everyone.

Everyone in one... Yeah. Every single one of them.

Look, we have to leave it there for now.

But, Anna and Alex, thank you so much for coming on.

You've been absolutely brilliant. Thank you for having us.

And a big thanks to Chris and Amanda, our wonderful guests.

Now, if you're craving more, then we're all going to stick around

and continue the chats on BBC Sounds.

It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked

in your BBC Sounds app right now.

And if you think you can sing Mary Had A Little Lamb backwards

in a high-pressure situation, then you might have what it takes

to join the next series of The Traitors.

To apply, head to...

And remember, we'll be back after episode nine of the main show.

I'm Ed Gamble.

REPEATS BACKWARDS Stay Faithful.