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Hello and welcome back to The Traitors: Uncloaked,

the official visualised podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

Once again, I have to tell you that this show

is riddled with spoilers.

If you haven't seen Episode 7, then please get yourself over to iPlayer

and catch up immediately.

And I am delighted to say that we can once again play this noise.

SIREN BLARES

Yes, that is the Traitor siren,

and it means a second Traitor has been caught.

Linda's curtain call has finally come.

Coming up, the brilliant Jo Brand, Josh Widdicombe

and Series 2 Faithful-turned-Traitor Miles are here

to discuss everything from tonight's episode.

We'll get an exclusive look at Fozia and Linda's first meeting

after Fozia was murdered in plain sight.

Plus, they'll be joining us in the Traitors basement to dish all

on the gameplay and the gossip from their time on the show.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Welcome! Thank you. Josh, Jo and Miles, welcome to Uncloaked.

Thank you very much for joining us.

We've got a lot to talk about.

We've got the mad mission where everyone had to rescue

their fellow players from coffins...

Yeah. ..and we discovered who lost the Death Match

and a whole host of suspicions being fired left, right and centre.

It's so good to have you here. And, Miles, welcome back.

Thank you for having me. So good to see you back.

How has it been as a spectator this year?

It's been nice. It's been good to watch.

But, obviously, just when you think you know it all, then you don't.

So, twists and turns, keeps you on your feet.

So many twists and turns - especially this week,

it feels like everything's gone up another gear... Yeah.

...on this episode. Josh and Jo, do you have favourite players so far?

Minah. I love Minah. Yes.

I love the narrative of a Traitor going all the way through.

I don't like people that get made Traitors halfway through it.

Don't mind me, just sat here! LAUGHTER

Why don't you like recruited Traitors?

It's like... You know when your friend gets into something

that they haven't previously been into... Right. ..and you think,

"I don't believe..." Yeah.

"You haven't supported Man U all your life! You've just started now!"

I feel compelled to support the elderly contingent. Aw!

No, I do. So, Linda and the vicar.

Yes. Linda and Lisa, fantastic players.

I am... I'm going to say... I don't normally, you know, say,

"This is my favourite person," or, "I'm annoyed this person's gone,"

but I am gutted that Linda has gone. That's the thing.

When you watch The Traitors, knowing that you're coming on this,

the whole premise of it changes to, "Who do I want to want to meet?"

LAUGHTER

So I was delighted when Linda went, cos I'm like,

"What a thrill this is going to be!"

Well, before we get to the brilliant Linda and Fozia, we should talk

about that ending, as we were on the verge of a potential recruitment...

Can't we just bring out Linda and Fozia?

No, Josh, we need to start with the ending!

There was a potential recruitment - it's very exciting!

And here's where we left things.

MINAH: Anyone coming in is going to have trust issues with me.

But we need to work together. And I think I can gain their trust.

My gut's telling me Charlotte will be a strong Traitor.

But then... will she accept?

Now, I want an answer from all of you on this.

Do we think Charlotte will accept?

Obviously, it's an ultimatum.

You know, it's either become a Traitor

or die a Faithful, essentially.

Do you think that she will have such strongly held Faithful principles

that she will happily be murdered?

No! No! Or do you think she...? I think she'll go.

I think she'll convert.

I don't know why you would ever turn it down.

Being a Traitor's the best bit, right?

Totally disagree. What?! Really?

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be a Traitor.

Oh, it's the best part! Oh, Jo! That's what a Traitor would say.

ED LAUGHS Yeah.

So you must be a Traitor! Exactly.

No, but overhearing things like,

"I'm really upset that I can't kill someone tonight,"

I'm kind of like, "OK!"

I mean, I know it's not proper killing.

Do you have to get in that headspace, though, when you're like,

"We're going to go and murder someone tonight"?

To be honest, I was very much like,

"Just be Faithful, Faithful, Faithful until I get to the Turret

"and the cloak is on." Then that's when you become the Traitor.

I think when you start merging the two

is when you start tripping up.

We've obviously lost Linda, but it looks like we might have Charlotte

as a new Traitor. Do we think she'll make a good Traitor, Miles?

Yes, I do, but the only thing I worry about for Minah

is she might end up going solo and turning the tables round.

If I'd been Minah, I probably would've gone for Leanne.

I'd have gone Leanne. I feel like... Leanne

kind of gives me that loyalty. Yes.

Even though she's got a bit of heat on her, I do think she probably

would have been my choice.

I think she'll be too nervous myself. Mm-hm.

I think she'll get spooked and start speaking in an Albanian accent...

LAUGHTER ...or something like that.

And she'll just give herself away,

cos I think it is quite hard not to give yourself away

by just doing a little bit too much.

I think also, when you're recruited, you never know why you're recruited.

So I think that might play on her mind a bit. I don't know

if she thinks she's going to be like a lamb to the slaughter.

Now, once again, coffins were featured in a Traitors mission,

and it also required a bit of foreknowledge around Roman numerals.

LAUGHTER Let's remind ourselves about that.

Guys! Yeah, use these.

There's another one there.

Guys, this is seven!

Oh, no, I'm so sorry! Oh, my God!

I read "VII"

as "VIII".

What's number eight in Roman numerals?! VIII!

Are there definitely eight suns? Do you want to check again?

Oh, my God!

VIII! Guys, guys, guys, guys! Where?!

VIII!

VIII. Is it this one? Oh!

The state of the education system!

What do they teach them in history these days?

Oh, my word!

How do we feel like they performed in that task, Jo?

Obviously, there was...

You know, they had to find everyone in the coffins.

Do you think... Do you think they did well?

A bit more camaraderie than we've seen so far.

Yeah, cos there's been a lot more sort of jostling

and a lot more kind of... aggression, which I do quite like.

So, yes, I suppose they did do quite a lot better,

and it didn't seem to be that anyone was trying to hold them back

or sabotage it. Yeah, Jo's right, because I think the only aim

was finding the people and working out who had been murdered.

Yeah. There was money to be won, but there were no Shields to be won.

Do you think there were moments within that mission

they could have used to work out who the Traitors were?

Yeah, I think... But sometimes, obviously,

they take the wrong nuggets, don't they? And they run with it.

Yeah. But at the same time, I'd just say...

You know, you're not just trying to earn money,

you're also trying to work out where the Traitors

may have dropped the ball.

That's when emotions go a bit higher than normal.

Now, they were definitely looking for a Traitor in one of the coffins

because, despite working well together,

they did have some suspicions that they wanted to pin on someone.

And that person was Alexander.

Let's have a little look.

So let's say I started. I didn't, but let's say I did.

I would say to any... Who started? Yeah, so who did?

Yeah, just exactly how it happened.

So why didn't he just describe exactly what had happened?

Something didn't feel right.

At the end of that first round,

the key thing is Anna was left with the life card.

Alexander, three of you are alive and one's been murdered.

Anna and me are alive.

I do not know of the final two because I left. No, I know.

We need your clue. We need your clue? Yes.

So, if you have any more questions, let me know.

I felt so bad for him.

I'd seen it and I still got confused what he was saying.

I was like... ED LAUGHS

Yeah, I don't know what he was talking about either.

Like, it was so confusing...

So would you have been suspicious of that, if you were there? Yeah.

That's your moment to say, "Look, guys, this is what's happened..."

Yeah. "..and I'm really... Like, I'm innocent

"because I went through this experience."

But he was very, like, almost calculating

about what he was saying.

Like, "This could have happened, but it didn't happen."

And as soon as you put that little bit of doubt in people's minds,

because they're already thinking that a Traitor's dropped the ball,

they're going to home in on you.

Now, of course, the mission revealed the fact that Fozia was the person

who was sadly murdered in the Death Match.

It feels like a real shame.

Do you feel like she could have been a good Faithful, Jo?

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

And also kind of an interesting, really interesting character. Yeah.

I thought her exit was superb,

when she was shouting after Linda, "You're next.

"You're going tomorrow. I knew it, Linda!"

Yeah. So brilliant.

And I thought, "Gah, I'd hate to be stuck in a room with those two."

And here we are! LAUGHTER

Now, Leon was obviously very happy to not be murdered,

we saw at the end of the Death Match.

I wouldn't necessarily, if I was in a Death Match

against one other person and I turned over the life card,

go, "Yes!" and stand up from the table.

But he was very relieved and very happy.

But then he started to seem to take it personally.

Is that difficult, Miles?

Is it difficult separating your genuine emotions

from the gameplay? Yeah.

And he kind of mentions, doesn't he, that, you know,

"I need to think about myself, why I'm here"?

Yeah. And you do get jaded by the people that you've met,

the kind of experience you're going through.

And, obviously, you know, he finds out that she's a Faithful

at the same time.

So he's like, "It's bittersweet that I'm safe,

"but I'm gutted that you're going."

Now, we should talk about that explosive round table,

because it seemed like we had a bit of a throwback to last series.

I'm sorry, Minah, I have to discuss you today. Yeah. OK?

I'm being told to look for a sign that someone picked me, OK?

I know somebody picked me yesterday.

And you handed me your glass of wine last night.

You asked me to bring your drink to the billiard room.

I did not hand it to you. It was on the table.

I said to you, "Keep an eye on my drink."

We were stood there, and I said, "If you go to the next room,

"please can you keep my drink with you and I'll find you?"

You said, "OK, sound."

I remember it so clearly.

I swear to God, I'm actually gutted that this is...

Now I'm getting framed via a drink.

I'm a Faithful. I didn't mark you. I didn't choose you.

I did not hand you my drink.

Miles, this is all your fault! Yeah.

Fizzy rose... How does that feel, to know

that the shadow of fizzy rose-gate hangs over the castle?

I'm honoured, guys. I'm honoured, you know, to leave my stamp.

No, I mean, the thing is, you cling on to the things

that they think they know. Yeah.

And that's the whole point of... why the show is so amazing to watch,

because you don't know anything, you know?

But, you know, I'm glad I left my little stamp

on the fizzy rose train.

Do you have a problem giving people drinks since?

No. Do you know what? I actually receive a lot of drinks now.

Do you? Yeah - fizzy rose on tap!

THEY LAUGH So it's perfect.

I'm living my best life.

THEY LAUGH

I think it's now time to bring in our murdered and banished players

into our castle basement.

But just before we do, here's the exclusive moment

where Fozia and Linda find out a few secrets

some of the Faithfuls have been hiding.

FOZIA LAUGHS

Oh, Linda! It's good to see you.

THEY LAUGH

I'm so happy to see you.

I was looking forward to seeing a few of the others,

but I was waiting for a slippery snake to come through that door!

You're not that... like an evil Traitor, if you know what I mean.

No, I know! Does that make sense? Yeah? I'm not evil! You're not!

I didn't want anybody to hate me.

I was going, "Oh, my God, they're all going to hate me now!"

Looks like we've got something to read.

We've got a scroll here. Oh, Lord.

I don't know what this is about. Oh, not more intrigue!

That's right. Are you ready? Yeah, I am.

Like, I don't even know what's in this.

No, neither do I! All right.

"Charlotte is born and bred in London..."

Dot, dot, dot, dot.

"...her Welsh accent is fake."

Are you serious?!

I don't know what that's going to get her.

Neither do I! What if somebody finds out?

OK, Linda. Round 2.

"Leanne isn't a nail technician..."

OK. What is she?

Ooh! "...she's really an army officer."

What?!

Wow!

Oh! Well, now I understand why she's so...

Oh, because she's like that. She IS like that. She's really strong.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, my goodness! Wow!

I cannot believe it! She's going to really fight her corner, then.

Oh, Fozia, it was great to catch up and chat the game

and work out what was going on. Me too.

It was amazing. I've loved it, I've loved it. Brilliant.

Thank you, Linda. Hey, high five. It's been a pleasure.

Yeah, absolutely.

And they're here with us now - please welcome Linda and Fozia!

CHEERING

Hi!

Such a joy to have you both here. Thank you. Loved those reactions.

Fozia, your reaction to Charlotte's Welsh accent was perfect, I think!

"Well, I don't know what that's going to get her!" Well, yeah.

I think I think her aim with it was to seem more trustworthy.

Do you think that's worked? That apparently was her aim.

And, actually, I really admired her because I thought,

"How the hell did she keep that up all the time?"

Yeah. But you were a bit more shocked by Leanne, Fozia. Yes.

Because, you know, with the nail technician,

you think Barbie, the vibe she was giving.

And then, what, an Army soldier? Yeah. Wow!

But I get it now because of the way, when we had that other challenge,

when they were putting the coins in, and the way she ran. Yeah.

And she was so fit. Machine. Machine, superwoman. Totally.

Yeah. And she also, she had a gun as well, didn't she? That was...

THEY LAUGH

MILES: GI Jane!

She was constantly in camo. She arrived in a Apache helicopter!

I also absolutely loved your reaction, Fozia,

to Linda being the one to walk into the room.

And I think there was so much behind that of, you'd said,

"You're next, Linda." Loved it! "You're definitely going."

Did that feel so gratifying when you were correct?

Yes, 100%.

I actually didn't want to see anybody else but Linda.

If I had lasted one more episode,

we would have all banished Linda... Well, they did anyway.

It didn't make any... But I would have contributed towards that.

Have you kissed and made up?

Definitely. Aw, good. Not yet, not yet. Well, I...

Maybe after today. Let's see how this goes.

JOSH: Ed, does this remind you of what it's going to be like backstage

at the Oasis reunion? LAUGHTER

These guys aren't going to make it through eight nights

at Wembley Stadium!

It was truly fantastic.

I mean, Linda, I don't know if you've been watching

any of Uncloaked, but we absolutely love you on this show.

And, I mean, you've turned into a bit of an icon.

How does that feel?

A bit strange, because I thought I came over really stupid!

I thought... And do you know what?

Actually, when I originally applied for the show,

I applied because I thought, "I'm a really good liar.

"I've got away with things in my life, really good things."

So to my credit... If you could run us through them, that'd be ideal.

Yeah, please. LAUGHTER

But when you get there, it's like I metamorphosed

into something else via the round table.

I was like, "Oh, I'm not going to say anything.

"Oh, don't say anything."

But I think that was because Jake picked me out on the first day.

And I thought, "I haven't even opened my mouth yet

"and I've already been picked out as a Traitor."

So, that impacted your game plan going forward?

I think it did, because it made me worry about saying anything

after that, because everything I said was twisted.

Did anyone in the castle ask you to sing at any point?

They did, but I don't do it any more. I'm retired now.

JO: Can't you just... one line for us?

Go on, Linda! I will do one line.

For my colleagues... I thought you'd started then!

LAUGHTER, CROSSTALK

My colleagues who I worked with in the Netherlands,

cos I lived in the Netherlands 34 years

and I worked in the opera there...

JOSH: You should have done the accent, like the Welsh accent!

"Linda's not really from the Netherlands!"

MILES: She's already got enough on her plate as it is, you know.

I couldn't have kept that up.

And I used to go around the theatre doing this line,

and they were always taking the mickey out of me

for doing this line. So I used to do...

SHE SINGS OPERATICALLY: # Oh, my God Oh, my God! ♪

Oh, wow! We believe you now.

That's exactly what you would do at every breakfast in the castle.

LAUGHTER

That would have been more believable, probably.

But like you said to me about

you still want to be liked as a Traitor -

I think that's something I struggled with at the same time.

Absolutely. You're doing all this,

but you still want to be liked by everybody

cos you don't want to hurt anyone's feelings almost.

JOSH: Yeah, and I think you managed that, Linda.

It was so hard. I think you definitely managed that.

Some people do fail with that. LAUGHTER

JO: Fozia, can I ask you - what happened

after you got off the train?

Obviously, I was hanging in the cages, wasn't I?

What, for like a week? Waiting, waiting...

No food or water, nothing.

Did you find it hard coming back in when everything's been established?

100%. Because you know people have formed their cliques. Yeah.

You've got to then go back and try and prove yourself,

build the friendships. Yeah.

And I knew I would have had a target on my back

because they would have thought, "Ooh, two people back in -

"one of them's bound to be a Traitor."

I thought you were an absolute master at that,

establishing yourself in the game again straight away,

because you were straight out of the cage

and straight to the round table. I was. And I guess that was

because, when I got out the cage,

being the first to come out of the cage,

I felt, "Ooh, I've won them over. I've built their trust already.

"Right, now I just go for it."

When you left the train, did you...?

Cos part of me, when that was going on... Yeah.

I actually texted Ed this when I was watching it.

I was like, "I hate awkwardness so much.

"I'd have been off the train in a heartbeat,

"like, just to stop it."

But when you left the train, was there part of you thinking,

"There'll be a way back, and I'll look great

"cos I've already left the train"? Yeah. Were you thinking that?

So, it was a strategic move, not a foolish one. Yeah?

So when I got off, there was a part of me thinking,

"You haven't been banished or murdered, you're bound to come back.

"And you'll come back with a twist."

And I thought, "How easy was that challenge?"

I just skipped off the train, didn't I?

No physical effort whatsoever! LAUGHTER

Did you have any regrets at the time, though?

Did you ever think, "Ugh!"? A little bit. Yeah.

You know, that naturally comes, doesn't it? Cos you were the first.

Cos I was the first. Yeah. But it was done.

I thought, "You know what, I'll take one for the team,

"make myself look good." Yeah.

"And let's see what happens after that."

I think you did it in exactly the right way.

If you were going to be one of the people off the train,

you've got to go first and then you have that in your back pocket.

Exactly. JO: Linda, I'm interested -

what did you make of Fozia when you first met her?

I thought she was quite a character.

And I understood that the two newbies who came in

for that first night on the round table

weren't supposed to make any comments on the play.

But madam here, she absolutely spoke up,

and I thought, "What is she doing? She's not supposed to be speaking!"

So I thought, "Wow, she's got a really strong character."

And she was right in there.

Yeah, absolutely. Even though I held back a little bit.

Oh, my God! Did you? Yeah. Wow!

I only gave sort of five minutes' worth,

and then I thought, "I better go easy now.

"It's my first day back." That wasn't the rule, though!

You were allowed to speak at the round table, weren't you?

We could if we wanted to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

You must have felt at a disadvantage because you'd missed all that time.

Of course. I'd do the same as you - just get in as much as you can

before someone puts a pillow over your face. You know what I mean?

I think it's really important to establish yourself,

which is what you did.

Linda, I do want to bring you back to that moment with Jake -

the head turn.

Go on. Do it for us now, Linda.

LAUGHTER Do you know... Were you aware...?

Were you aware of what you were doing when Claudia said "Traitors"?

Absolutely not. No. Because I'd just been tapped on the shoulder

as a Traitor, and my head was like...

Because just before she tapped me, I was going, "Don't tap me.

"Please don't. Please don't. I don't want to be a Traitor any more.

"No, no. Please don't." And then she did,

and I thought, "Oh, my God, now I'm a Traitor!"

And my head was, like, full. It was going...

I didn't even hear words. I just didn't hear words.

And I happened to turn my head. And he saw me on that word. Yeah.

When the blindfolds are on, is there any part of you that's just like,

"I'm just going to tap the next person"?

That's a good idea, isn't it?

Just when Claudia's the other side, just go... Yeah!

And then that person turns up to the Turret later,

like, "What are you doing here?!" LAUGHTER

"Claudia tapped me!"

Now, Linda, let's remind ourselves of your reveal at the round table.

Guys, I've had the most amazing time.

This has been the pinnacle of my life.

And to experience this at my age and get this far,

I've had a whale of a time, so thanks for it.

I am a...

...Traitor! CHEERING

Wow - look at that reaction!

JAKE: Day one! Day one! Come on!

Come on! Jake. Look at Jake.

I love it. I love Jake's reaction.

I love that I think you're the first Traitor to ever run out of the room.

Exactly! Exactly.

Can I give you full credit for the length of your fake, "F..."?

ALL LAUGH

"I am a F... Traitor!"

Loved it, loved it. I loved doing that.

How did you feel when you say, "I'm a Traitor,"

and then you hear cheering?

Because I, when it happened to me, I was a bit like,

"Oh, bye, then... Bye, then, guys."

Oh, I did... I knew that they... Linda was ready to go.

I was... I was OK, I was OK with that.

I think, "Oh, they finally got a Traitor - good for them."

Because I was like, "We're all still friends, right?

"We're all still friends?" Exactly.

You know, you have that moment where you feel like,

"Oh, they've got a Traitor, but..." You know, you kind of pop off.

Yeah, but they were such a great group, I knew that when...

And I've made some really good friendships in that... in that group.

So, I mean, I knew it would be all right, you know.

Could you feel that moment coming? It didn't...?

It wasn't a surprise when you got banished? No, absolutely not.

When I spoke to Minah at the breakfast table that morning,

because we were first in, and that was the first time

we'd actually been alone and first in, I said to her,

"Look, if it's going my way, vote for me because I think

"it's going to go my way and I'm going to go anyway.

"So, just vote for me." And I said, "Try and go to the end.

"Go to the end." But that's such a lovely moment.

But that was your chance to throw her under the bus.

OTHERS LAUGH I think we missed out

on Fozia being a Traitor.

It's hindsight, isn't it? Hindsight.

I know, I'm too nice.

Fozia, would you have loved to be a Traitor?

I think, probably, at that stage, yes.

Once I'd banished Linda...

...and I got the offer, then... You might... Yeah.

Yeah, you might have been recruited. Who knows? Who knows?

Now, Linda, another thing that raised people's suspicions

in the castle was your reaction to Livi being murdered.

How did that moment come about?

You made that decision to be... to be upset about her going.

I was upset. I was genuinely upset because, actually, Livi

and I came in together.

We were in the first car together,

and I'd really got to know her really, really well.

And I felt like she was sort of like my daughter. And I was really

looking after her in there. FOZIA MOUTHS

No, that's not a lie.

And I really got on well with her, and I was really shocked

because I'm sure, at some point, she said to me,

"I'm sure you're a Faithful."

So, I thought, "Oh, Livi is on my side. I've got Livi."

And then, when Leanne told me that Liv had intimated

that I was a Traitor, I was completely blown away...

Yeah. ..because I thought, "I just can't believe that she said that."

I think what was... what was interesting from a viewer

perspective was they're all saying that you guys weren't close,

so why were you that upset?

But we'd seen in, I think, a previous episode,

you comforting her. Yeah, absolutely.

But no-one else was around. No. Exactly.

So, that was a sort of friendship that they weren't aware of. Yeah.

And do you know what? I also thought,

"Is Leanne winding me up and not telling me the truth?"

Yeah. That's what I thought.

I thought, "Maybe she's just winding me up and telling me that

"to put it out there with other people."

So, Fozia, we need to talk about the Death Match game. OK.

So dramatic.

What was going through your mind when you got into the car,

first of all, expecting to be taken back to your individual lodgings,

and then you end up driving to that spooky card game?

I think I was a bit more surprised seeing the three people

who drove by, too, thinking, "Oh, why these three?"

So, there's all that going on in your head,

and it's pretty spooky as well.

Talk us through that final moment, when it was just you and Leon

turning those cards over. Oh.

It was a game of chance, wasn't it, really?

I think... I wasn't ready to go, put it that way.

But that move with Anna, with... Where she... she took the card,

and you could have taken it straight back.

I could have, but eagle-eye next door to me...

Yeah. ..Alexander, I couldn't have got it past him.

Yeah, he would have spotted that, I think. So, I thought,

"You know what? Let her go." Yeah.

And then, just sit there and enjoy the game.

I just needed, like, a cigar.

Sit back. Bit of brandy. Like the Godfather. Yeah.

But I would have saved the drink and chucked it on Linda

when I saw her. Wow.

Well, I think this is a perfect time, Fozia,

to revisit your reaction

to meeting the Traitors face-to-face.

What is going on here?

Fozia... Yeah?

...by order of the Traitors, you've been murdered.

Thank you.

That was too nice.

Linda, I knew it was you!

You're not going to last.

Get over it. Linda, get a good night's sleep tonight

because you're going next.

I mean, it was perfect.

Both of you. Absolutely amazing. Loved it.

"You're not going to last, Linda."

And then, muttering from under your hood, "Get over it."

"Get over it." Argh!

So funny. JOSH: "Get over it."

I was laughing, walking away because I thought her reaction

was so funny. "You're going to go tomorrow."

But that moment where they brought their hoods back

I thought it was so funny because I thought we'd get

a bit more shock from you because of Minah.

But you were so happy that it was Linda... Yeah.

...that you almost went, "Yeah, all right, Minah, move out the way.

"I want to have a go at Linda here." Step aside.

Yeah, I had a few suspicions with Minah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

But probably not enough to have said anything throughout.

Actually, I said to Fozia afterwards, "Did you think

"we were going to recruit you as a Traitor?" That's interesting.

And she said, "Yeah, I did think that." Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.

I don't know why I didn't think that was the end for me.

Because her face looked like, "Oh, what are you going to say to me?"

Yeah. Yeah, cos you didn't know

what was going to happen, really, did you? No, exactly.

I wasn't expecting the Traitors to personally hand-deliver...

Yeah, that's a service. ..the note. Yes. That's a service.

I thought, "Well, they owed me that much," so thank you for that.

And then, I thought, "Hang on, there could be another twist."

Yeah. JOSH: I thought that. So, there was a part of me

that did think I might be recruited.

So, we absolutely loved your rivalry during your time in the castle.

I don't think you saw enough of it, to be fair. Exactly, no.

I know, we wanted more. We did want more of it.

We weren't in there long enough. Yeah. What was it that initially

raised your suspicions about Linda?

I just knew, deep down, there's two gangsta grannies in this,

and one of them is definitely a Traitor.

I don't know. And it was the fact that she barely spoke

around the round table, voting randomly.

But that's me! You did a lot of that.

I vote... Ask my family - I'm random.

I'm totally random.

I mean, I moved to the Netherlands

with a five-year-old, not knowing anybody, and...

OK, but we don't know that.

Well, no, YOU don't know that, but...

It would have been weird to bring it up at the round table, wouldn't it?

"I'm random." I'm pretty random. That's me. That's my personality.

I think it'd be quite nice if they had something at the round table

where you're allowed one phone call to a family, asking...

Or to a friend.

..."Is Linda really like this?" Yeah. "Or is she just saying that?"

"Welsh? She's Welsh?!"

Fozia, Linda, thank you so much for joining me on Uncloaked.

You've been absolutely brilliant.

A massive round of applause for Fozia and Linda.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

And a massive thanks to our guests, Josh, Jo and Miles.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Well done. Well done. Well done.

The chat now continues on BBC Sounds,

where I will put Linda and Fozia through their paces in a series

of challenges to see who really comes out on top in this rivalry.

It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked,

in your BBC Sounds app right now.

You can listen whilst cleaning your car, going for a jog,

or to drown out the drudgery of your morning commute.

And if you've watched someone get buried alive and thought,

"That looks like a laugh," then perhaps you've got

what it takes to be a Traitor in the next series.

Just head to bbc.co.uk/takepart to apply.

We'll be back again right after episode eight

to gossip all things Traitors.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE