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Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

We are now at the halfway point of the series,

and boy, oh, boy, is there a lot to unpack.

And you know the drill by now - it's spoiler warning time.

If you haven't watched episode six, do that right this second.

I mean it!

Then you can come back here.

OK, spoilers are happening...now.

Coming up, we have the exclusive moment Livi and Dan met

to find out the identity of the Traitors.

They'll both be here later

to discuss their time as Faithfuls in the game.

Plus, to dissect the latest episode,

I'm joined by comedians Tom Allen, Sophie Willan,

and Series Two Traitor Paul.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Tom, Sophie, Paul, thank you so much for joining us on Uncloaked.

Thanks for having us. It's good to be here, yeah.

Thank you. Lovely to have you. Thank you.

Now, I want immediate first reactions to that episode.

Paul, how are you feeling after that, that mad episode?

It's just insane, isn't it?

We're two seasons in, so you would think that you would kind of learn

patterns and behaviours and stuff, and it's just...it's the same.

People are just losing their minds. Yeah. It's amazing.

It's beautiful to watch.

I love Linda.

Yes. Well, we love Linda. I'm just a big fan of her.

Yeah, we love Linda here, as well. Yeah.

It's just like watching an owl, in't it?

She looks very like an owl. THEY LAUGH

Yeah.

We've not said that on Uncloaked, actually,

that it's like watching an owl. Constantly going...

There's nothing subtle, is there?

Mm. Casual. I think it's very casual. Yeah. At some points,

I have wondered if she actually knows what show she's on. Yes.

I think at one point she was looking

for Lord Sugar in the boardroom,

I think she saw Claudia and thought she should do a paso doble.

But it doesn't matter, does it?

Cos she's a wonderful character

and I just want her to stay in all the way to the end.

Look, we've got loads to talk about...

Yeah, but is it Linda or not, Ed? Yeah, yeah.

Cos I'm really here for the Linda chat.

Can we stay on Linda? Maybe 10 more minutes.

Maybe 10 to 20 more minutes. I've got other things written down here.

The Ceremony Of Truth mission

and all the drama that came from that, of course.

The Traitors' secret task - which, don't worry, involved Linda.

Yeah, yeah. Thank goodness.

But first, we do have to talk about the Deathmatch card game.

Ooh, that was a good one. That's how the episode closed. Yep.

That was camp, wasn't it? But a brutal game.

The idea of leaving the castle at midnight,

getting in the car and being driven somewhere else. Yeah.

What must they have been thinking?

Quite frightening, actually. Yeah. Going over that bridge.

Yeah. You could have been thinking, "What's happening here? Am I...?"

Yeah. Yeah. "I've been kidnapped."

"I'm being kidnapped by the driver." Actually murdered. Actually.

Yeah, you never know.

Although Alexander was quite relaxed in a way

that a man who's been involved in conflict resolution would be. Yeah.

Right? Yes. I love him. Just being driven somewhere

going, "Oh, dear, this doesn't look good." Yeah. Yeah.

"This-this is happening again."

Yeah. So we got down to Leon and Fozia

are the two remaining players in the Deathmatch. So exciting!

Who do we think the Traitors are hoping for,

to lose the game, to murder?

Yeah, cos it's the chance, isn't it?

Because obviously Linda wants Fozia gone. Yes.

They should have killed her at the first given opportunity,

as soon as you come into the show.

Ooh! From a former Traitor's perspective. Yes.

No-one would question it. Cos she's sharp,

she knows what's going on - and she's on Linda's tail.

Yeah. Yeah. So... But now it's down to chance.

Leon's a lovely fella. I think, you know,

putting them two in there is quite wise, I think,

but if Fozia does go, all eyes kind of will go to Linda. Yeah.

Sophie, who do you think the biggest loss would be

to the Faithful out of Leon and Fozia?

Oh...

Er... Ooh!

I think Leon. Yeah.

Cos he's quite a loyal lad, in't he? He's got a good energy.

Yeah. And he's... Obviously, you can read his face very well,

cos he hides nothing. Yeah! So, that's quite helpful, in't it?

Yeah, that's true, actually. Mm.

Of course, the Deathmatch was a result

of the Traitors' secret mission.

Let's remind ourselves when they had to find the peacock quill.

You all right, Linda?

Yeah.

QUIETLY: Have you got the quill?

No. Looked for it and I can't...

I've looked around, I can't see it.

These two! I feel, like, drained.

Somebody's coming.

We are literally

the worst ever players

in the history of this game.

Not coming yet.

Look for it and I'll tell you if somebody's coming.

She's so good!

This is it! I'll sit here.

Aah! It's there.

Oh! There we are.

I mean, wonderful, wonderful slapstick stuff.

A total farce.

"I'll tell you if they're coming!"

She got the better role, didn't she?

She did that well, Minah. Yeah, she did. She could be...

I mean, there was a moment later

when Linda was writing the names down,

when Minah says, "If someone's coming, I'll just cough loads."

Yeah! Yes, I loved that!

That didn't work for Charles Ingram. I don't think...

Good reference, Ed!

Very niche. Very up-to-date.

I love this podcast for this nicheness.

You can do that on a podcast! I love it.

Paul, obviously, in the last series,

you were part of the Fizzy Rose Mission. Yes.

You had to find the poisoned chalice...

Yeah, stressful. ..and give it to someone.

Stressful... Yeah. ..took a long time.

Took us a long time. Yeah.

So what do you make of this year's? I thought it was amazing.

I didn't know how they were going to top...

Because, obviously, when you kind of see the...

..like, the pre-announcement, that there's going to be something,

I was thinking, "Well, they're not...

"They can't really do another chalice again,

"it can't really be a poison again, so what are they going to do?"

So, yeah, so I thought maybe it's like a hug

or it's a tap or something -

but, yeah, to write a name - four names - was just, um...

Yeah, that was lovely. I would have loved to go with that.

But we wouldn't be able to find a pen.

No, I mean, you guys struggled to find

the complete works of Shakespeare, was it, on the, on the shelves?

Well, he's kind of a niche writer, isn't he?

Again, talking about niche stuff... So niche!

Macbeth, Macbath, whatever it was called. Yeah!

I'd have to tell Harry what a quill was first.

Now, the secret mission wasn't the only brutal thing

to happen in this episode.

The Ceremony Of Truth - also particularly savage.

Oh, yeah! Already knew it was going to be a good one,

because Claudia was sat on the shoulders of two massive men.

What a start. Yeah. Two absolute giants.

Paul, you weren't one of those men, were you?

It was me and Tyler. Yeah!

THEY LAUGH

Was this the most savage mission yet, do you think?

Well, I thought it was... I think the masks are camp,

I think capes are camp... Yeah.

..and I think that throwing shields into a fire is very camp.

Yeah! So I would say it wasn't terrifying. Yeah.

I think the whole thing of, like, "Is it correct? Is it not correct?"

all that, that's fine, that's fine, but I think the real gameplay

obviously is when we got... when we got back to the castle

and everybody's like, "Well, was it you or not?"

and they're like, "No, it wasn't.

"It was me. It was me."

And I thought that Dan unfortunately made a mistake

by not owning up to it straight away.

Well, I get the tactic of picking people

who would not think it was you,

cos the whole plan is to get a Shield.

You don't want people to pick you out as the person

who poured the Bovril over the top of you.

Mm. So I understood that,

and then the option was there to not tell people. Yeah. Yeah.

But you think Dan should have been open and honest...?

Well, I think once one person started telling the truth

about who'd done what, I think you may as well all do it,

because otherwise you're going to look like a liar.

But I would never have kicked him out,

because he hid that he wanted the Shield,

so he's clearly not a Traitor. Yeah, exactly.

That's a valid point. If he was a Traitor, he'd have gone,

"I wanted the Shield, and it was me."

Yeah. He would have...

Or he wouldn't have even fought for it at all.

Now, another huge thing that happened in this episode

was Anna deciding to reveal at the Round Table

that the Traitors tried to recruit her.

She's going to get murdered soon.

Let's just get it over with. Cos is that a mistake?

Do we think that's going to happen? Because... Big mistake. Yeah, yeah.

She should have revealed it straight afterwards, do you think, Paul?

Straight after, yeah. Yeah. There and then, at breakfast.

"Listen, guys, I'm going to put my hands up,

"even though there's going to be suspicion on me,

"they tried to recruit me." Yeah.

I think if I was her and I got that letter,

I'd be like, "Oh, they've said independent woman."

Now, the only people who celebrate that are girls and gays.

Yeah, I would have... I would have written that.

You would've written that to me, wouldn't you? Mm. I did, actually.

I feel like this is, like, females empower language, in't it?

Yeah. You know? Yeah, I think...

So I'd have gone, "Right, it is a female,

"cos someone has said strong female."

Elen said that earlier on. Yeah.

Yeah, that's-that's really interesting,

to read into that phraseology. Yeah. Mm. Yeah.

But, yeah, she's-she's not worked that out yet.

Paul, how difficult is the decision of recruitment?

Do you have to think about every eventuality for the player you pick?

Yeah, and it's-it's already happened,

like, you've got to think of the people that will say no.

So, like, Diane was one of them.

Could we recruit Diane?

She'll say no.

Zack was another one, cos he's a very bright boy,

very similar to Dan. He'll say no.

So you've got to pick someone

where you definitely think they will say yes,

and then our thinking was we need a patsy,

so, for example, we brought Andrew in because we... Sorry,

for a moment there I thought there was someone called Patsy,

and I was like... Yeah!

..I know there's a lot of people in it, but who was that?!

Sorry, Paul.

Because you selected Andrew... I selected Andrew. Yeah.

..and the first thing that happened

was Andrew took his hood off and went,

"You're going to throw me under the bus, here."

Yeah. Exactly right, yeah. He knew, didn't he? Very awkward.

That was quite smart. He knew. Yeah.

Well, don't worry, guys, it's time for more Linda chat.

Ooh! I don't think I've got anything left to say

about the poor woman, really! Well, let's...

Let's have a look at this clip of Linda after Livi was murdered.

Oh, God. She's my little girl.

Oh...

She knew, though, didn't she?

Why is Linda crying?

You OK?

SHE SNIFFLES

Yes, Fozia!

Everyone's staring at her.

Just rein it in! Rein it in! Yeah.

Oh! Stop it, Linda, you'll set me off! Yeah, bless her.

That was...

MOCK SOBBING: "She was like a daughter to me!"

Yeah, it's too much. That was an amazing moment,

because she even says, in the Turret, to Minah,

"Oh, I'll probably I'll get a bit emotional

"because we were very close, me and Livi,"

and then cut to her saying, "She was like my little girl,"

and immediately everyone going, "Why's Linda crying?"

Yeah! Yeah! "What's going on there?"

I like that Jake... She didn't speak to her, did she?

..has just got a whole campaign against Linda, hasn't he? Yeah.

Yeah. He's like Linda's detective. But he's right...he's right to -

at the moment, it's an unsuccessful campaign, but...

But this is the thing where, like, Jaz had it, and Maddy had it -

it's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

Mm. So, like, it doesn't matter if he thinks it,

he needs more than half of the group to vote it. Yeah. Yeah.

So, as long as they aren't doing that, then leave him in the game.

Mm. So, yeah, it's really... It's barmy that she's still here.

Yeah. You say barmy, I say... fabulous!

Highly watchable.

The thing is, with Linda and that that performance,

I feel like every time Linda does something,

I'm like, "Linda, come on, this is not good,"

but it's working. It works. She's still...she's still in there.

Yeah. People... I think, now, people seem to be like,

"That's a bit suspicious,"

but I think a lot of people are going, "That's just Linda."

Yeah. Yes! You've got... They're getting used to her.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I was kind of similar.

Like, when I watched it back, it's so obvious that it's me.

I'm screaming at the telly, "You've got to go and find him."

You have got a bit more insight, though, I think, now.

Yeah. Maybe so. Yeah...

Well, Livi and Dan will be with us shortly

to answer all of our pressing questions,

but first it's time for an exclusive look

at the pair meeting the day after they left the castle

to find out who the Traitors are.

Oh! Oh, my God! Hello!

Come here.

Good to see you. Oh, my God, and you!

Oh, my God. Yes.

What the hell happened yesterday morning?

To be honest, I think most people, myself included,

weren't surprised that you were gone. Yeah.

Cos I think you were such an obvious Faithful. Aww.

Particularly after, you know, how you reacted when Tyler went.

Yeah. So why do you think you got murdered?

I feel like I could have potentially been a threat to the Traitors.

I feel that's why. Mm-hm.

Right. I'm desperate to know!

Are you a Faithful or a Traitor?

What do you think?

I feel like you're a Faithful.

I am a...

..Faithful.

I'm happy about that, though! Yeah. I'm happy. You got it right.

Oh, my goodness.

Well, at least you didn't kill me! I know, I know.

How many Traitors do you think are in the game still?

My gut is that they started with three, lost one with Armani,

tried to seduce, that didn't work.

I'm going to say three that are still left in.

What do you think?

I have a feeling four.

Who are those four Traitors?

Freddie.

I think Linda.

I think Leon's been summoned.

And then it's like a maybe between Leanne or Frankie...or Minah.

I'm all over the place!

But who do you think?

So I think there's three.

I think Alex.

I think maybe Minah.

And then I just think maybe, like a left-field pick, like Joe.

I don't know, like, I just think that Joe

would be a perfect recruitment pick.

Are you ready to find out who the Traitors are?

I'm not sure, but let's do it.

Linda!

I knew it!

Crafty little lady.

You're right. Linda.

Bloody Linda!

Jake, as well, suspected. Jake was right from the beginning.

He must be Faithful.

Oh, my God, I literally said - she was next to me,

I was like, "She's looking sweaty and she's looking..."

Oh, wow. "..like she's just been picked."

Are you ready to find out who the next Traitor is?

Let's do it.

Oh, my God!

Who's that? Minah!

There's only two?! There's only two.

Freddie's not a Traitor.

Oh, Minah. Minah!

The crafty little...

Oh, my gosh! You know what?

I do not feel bad now for dunking her in molasses.

I just can't wait to see Freddie

and just bloody give him the biggest hug.

But I really hope him and Anna win.

And Dan and Livi are with us now!

THEY CHEER

Welcome. Thank you. Welcome.

Now, we saw you find out who the Traitors were in that clip.

Dan, you seem very surprised about Linda. I was.

Now, this is interesting, because from a viewer's perspective,

no-one should be surprised that Linda was...

The thing for me was that, at that very first Round Table,

Armani said, "I wonder if there's an older woman..." Yes.

"..Traitor," and then when she was revealed to be a Traitor,

I was like, "Well, it can't be Linda now,

"you wouldn't throw heat on another Traitor..."

No. "..that fast." No, no, no. Unless you were Armani.

Yeah, unless you're Armani! Yeah!

But, yeah, the head turn from Linda,

which I think so far is the only evidence that anyone has,

seems-seems to have been ignored.

She fooled me. Yeah, she fooled you.

Did you ever think it was potentially her?

I'm quite rigid in my thinking at times,

so as soon as that happened at that first Round Table,

that cleared Linda for the whole time for me.

Oh, wow, yeah. So I didn't even look at her again.

Plus, she and she and I were sat next to each other

and we had that little sitting-next-to-each-other alliance

the whole time. So, I don't know if you felt the same, Paul,

but sometimes you just don't want to go for the people

who are sat next to you, as well,

you've got, like, a natural affinity for them.

I killed Kyra that was sat to the left of me,

but... I see. ..I'm sure normal people would feel like that.

Yeah. Faithfuls.

You suspected Linda, possibly, didn't you, Livi? I did, yeah. Yeah.

So I had a game plan, and I always wanted to be a Faithful,

and I always imagined making friends with one of the Traitors

who I suspected, because then I thought

maybe I'm then a little bit safe from murder. Mm-hm.

And because Linda was next to me, and we kind of did...

I mean, we did grow a little bit of a bond,

she was... Like, when I was upset, she would console me

and things like that, so I was like, "Do you know what?

"She's the Traitor I'm going to try and be friends with,"

so I wasn't shocked by that. Wasn't shocked.

Did you grow enough of a bond, would you say,

for her to break down and say, "She was my little girl," at breakfast?

You lost your mum at this point!

I know, I know, I know!

I was shocked at that.

Um, but that wasn't...

That doesn't mean we didn't have, like, a relationship in there.

We did, but I wasn't... We saw you, like,

you were being comforted by her in the corridor...

Yeah, by the cheeky Traitor. Yeah. Yeah, but she, um...

"Cheeky Traitor"!

She...but I...

Yeah, like, I mean, we were close,

but not as close as, like, me and Tyler, me and Leanne -

like, we didn't have that kind of relationship.

So to see her break down like that,

I was a bit like, "Oh, my gosh, Linda!"

She went for it. Yeah, she's great. She is good.

Obviously, Minah is the other Traitor.

Dan, you were very close to Minah.

I was. We saw we saw a lot of chat

about you saying, "The Traitor could be someone close to me.

"I'm really getting on with Minah,"

but not necessarily linking the two things.

I know. Those last couple of days I was in there,

I started to slowly put the pieces together,

and I was like, "It's got to be somebody I'm close to,"

and the people I was closest to were Minah and Alex at that point,

but I'd burnt my bridges with a few other people

that I could have gone against them, like Anna.

So, er, yeah, I did feel a bit helpless that last day.

Do you think if you stayed in there, you would have got to Minah?

I mean, I was going at everybody so hard,

like, boomeranging around the cast. Yeah, yeah.

I would have found her eventually.

Now, Livi, we also saw your reaction

to finding out that Freddie wasn't a Traitor.

I know, honestly, I still can't get over it now.

It's awful. Yeah! It's awful. I was gunning for him.

Like, I feel terrible. I need to give him a massive hug and just...

Look, you weren't the only one. Yeah.

We've been having a lot of chats on Uncloaked

with players who've come out, even before opening the thing,

and gone, "It's definitely Freddie. Freddie's killed me."

Oh! It's not. Why were you so set on Freddie?

I mean, Maia, as soon as she came running in,

I was like, "Right, it's deffo got to be him,"

but it was more him kind of looking at me...

Like, he would look at me and then be like...

..and then look away.

He would just give me the side eye all the time,

and he did actually say to me,

"Liv, it's cos you were literally suspecting me the whole time." Yeah.

So he would look at me to see if I was looking at him,

and then as soon as I was, he would look away. Right, right.

Um, and just what he said to Maia, and just kind of... I don't know,

I guess he gave me, like, Harry vibes

where I was just a bit like, "It could be him." Ah! Yeah.

Um, although that would probably be, like, too obvious.

So, like, now I look back, I'm like, "Why was I gunning for him so much?"

And I picked the wrong... the wrong person.

I should have just gone for Linda.

Yeah. Well, thank God you didn't.

That little clash that you had with Freddie to do with the clique.

Oh, I know, God. He suggested you were in the clique

with the rest of those guys,

and there was that slightly fraught argument.

How does that feel in that moment? Couldn't deal with that, could I?

As soon as I heard "clique",

I was like, "Right, who do you think you are?"

I was like, "There's no clique here!"

I didn't think cliques were, like, a bad thing.

I just felt like he was kind of isolating us

where it was, like, almost like we don't talk to anybody else

or we're not friendly with everybody else,

and, like, I talked to a lot of people -

like, me and Anna had a really good relationship,

me and Linda had a good relationship.

Of course, the greatest. Like, there was a lot of relationships in there.

We just kind of gelled a little bit more,

and that's not because we're a clique,

it's just because we had the same suspicions.

Yeah. Yes. Well, I thought we did,

until they absolutely blindsided me at the table.

But we did have the same suspicions.

So, it, like, worked well that we kind of like...

..we were just together a lot

because we would be talking about who we thought the Traitors were.

Um, so, yeah, I think, "clique",

I was like, "Right, let's just settle this."

Someone you weren't certain was a Traitor, Livi,

was, of course, Tyler. And if you can bear it,

let's check out your reaction after he was banished.

No-one's listening to me.

I've literally got to get out of here for a second.

I'm, like, gagged.

How did we get that so wrong?

I think that was... that was a real moment...

Yeah. ..because you were so sure Tyler wasn't a Traitor... Mm-hm.

..and the rest of the... the "clique", sorry -

um, they all went for him,

and I think that was the moment you were cemented as a Faithful... Yeah.

..I don't know if you'd agree with that, Dan, in that room.

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I never had any doubts about you

the whole time... Yeah, yeah. ..but you were just so convinced...

Yeah. ..he was a Faithful that that just reinforced it for me.

It was... It's sad to watch back, because it was just so intense,

and I felt like if they had just pulled me aside

and said, like, "Liv, like, we're going to go for Tyler tonight,

"like, what do you think?"

and, like, gave me a chance to kind of like, I don't know,

like, back him a little bit, because I spent a lot of time with him,

so it's frustrating - although I got it so wrong with Freddie,

I just felt like no-one was listening

and no-one was kind of getting it. But then that is the game.

Having met him now, I just think, how could anyone think

he could do anything bad ever in his life?!

I know, and this is what I thought!

We all thought that about Harry, though, didn't we? Yeah.

Dan, obviously, coming under scrutiny

at the Round Table like that,

what's that feeling like when it's building against you?

I mean, similar to Tyler,

I wasn't really expecting to get heat at that Round Table,

cos I hadn't heard anything from anybody that day.

I think everything was happening behind the scenes.

In the build-up to that, this is what's really interesting,

is they said, you don't have to tell everyone.

That was part of the game. Mm-hm. And then you didn't do that.

And I think initially people didn't really have a problem

with someone not saying it...

Yeah. ..but as soon as you get to the Round Table,

everything gets blown out of proportion, doesn't it?

It does, and I think Alexander

sounded like he was about to stitch me up, as well, in that moment.

You jumped in, you jumped in quick. I was like, "You know what?

"Forget this. I can't be arsed any more.

"I'm just going to tell the truth."

Cos I could just feel the momentum coming my way.

Yeah. I was like, "I'm going to take control of it,

"cos I don't want him to land me in it."

He went full diplomat, as well, cos he was going,

"How valuable would that piece of information be?"

Exactly. So arch, it's brilliant.

It was, actually. So...

But I think the way you played the game, Dan,

I was punching the air with some of the things you said -

just, like, you're the only one honest enough to go,

"Well, we're all in it for ourselves, right?"

Exactly right, yeah. That's the whole point of the game.

Like, everyone else is, you know, playing along

with this weird convention in there

that you have to say, "We're all doing it for the team,

"we're all raising the money, we're all in it together,"

and you're the only one early on who just went,

"No, I'm not, I'm... I want to win."

Exactly right.

I think one of the only Faithfuls to get voted out

because they were so selfish, which I'm quite proud of.

But I think that probably comes as a result of my autism diagnosis,

as well, cos I don't typically follow the crowd in a lot of ways.

Yep. I'm not scared to stand on my own and, you know...

Yeah. ..do something a bit different.

So I was quite proud of how that came across. Yeah. Absolutely.

Fabulous, yeah. Yeah, I think it's about time someone said it!

Refreshing, yeah. I really wanted, Dan,

because of your personality, just from watching you,

I really wanted you to get up there and go, "You are all so stupid."

Yeah! "I am so obviously a Faithful," and then storm out.

That's what I was saying in my head.

Well, that is the perfect moment

to remind ourselves of Dan's banishment.

Guys, just remember,

we've all only known each other for a couple of weeks,

you know, don't take things too personally. It's just a game.

This has been an absolute pleasure and I've had a fantastic time.

I am...

Go on, Linda!

..a...

Oh, there's a little glare.

..Faithful. Oh...!

I love that. Yeah, yeah, that was good.

The way you played that. Knew it.

Oh, no!

I think, so far, you are the person

who's enjoyed being banished the most.

You seem to really relish that moment.

I was like, "Oh, my God,

"thank God I get to get away from this-this lot."

I don't spend a lot of time surrounded by lots of people

in my day-to-day life... Yeah.

..so it was quite nice to just have that break.

Was it quite intense being in that castle altogether all the time?

It's big, innit?

Yeah, cos you're surrounded by people for a lot of hours every day.

So... Yeah. Like, people say, "It's just a game,"

but the thing is, you are playing the game,

so you can't just snap out of that,

like, you become this person in this game and it feels real.

Like, you're literally living with these people in this castle,

like, it is actually quite a... It's intense, to say the least.

Yeah. So for people to say, "Oh, it's just a game, like, chill out,"

but if you just chill out and do nothing,

like, you're not playing the game. Yeah, yeah.

So, then, either way, like, you have to be serious. Yeah.

Dan, in hindsight, with the mission,

would you...would you have done that differently?

Would you have admitted straight away about dunking Minah?

I don't think so, cos I wanted to stick to my guns.

I wanted to prove a point.

Yeah. Well, not... Prove a point that, you know,

you should be able to play this game however you want,

and you shouldn't be dictated to by what other people say to you,

like, "We have to tell each other" - I found that really self-righteous.

Also, the whole point was lying in that mission,

cos you wanted to get the Shield. Yeah. Yeah.

So, when Minah asked you and Leanne, "Did you do that?"

of course you're going to say no. Yeah.

And I just saw so many benefits of not telling people.

Mm-hm. A, regardless of whether they're a Traitor or a Faithful,

you're going to piss them off

if you've admitted that they marked them,

because that can be something they think of down the line.

B, if you've marked a Traitor and they don't know who's marked them,

that's going to make them more paranoid. Yeah.

So you want to cause as much chaos for them as possible

so that they start making mistakes.

So I just saw so many reasons to not do it.

Yeah, yeah. I think you were... I think you were right to do it.

I think the problem is, you're almost, like, too clever

for the game's good. Do you know what I mean?

Like, I think there's a lot of people

that kind of don't think so in-depth...

Mm. ..and they think more of, "Oh, he's told a lie,"

or, "They've not told me that they were a bishop.

"So that's very traitorous, isn't it?"

Yeah. Do you see what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, I wouldn't have any kind of game plan.

I'd just think of it as a lovely, lovely few days out.

Yeah! That's probably the best way, to be honest.

Do you know what I mean? Like, when else would you get to play games,

running around the woods, slag someone off in the other room?

THEY LAUGH

It's a lovely little trip, isn't it? Better than Center Parcs.

But people got targeted on our season

for reading books in the library, didn't they?

Yeah, they did, didn't they?

Yeah, but also, let's not do that in Episode One.

Question for both of you -

day-to-day, how did you approach Traitor hunting?

Did you have, like, specific things that you did every day

to try and spot the Traitors?

Livi, what about you? I don't really know.

Like, cos every day changed.

So you would kind of like...

I'd be there, like, kind of thinking about

who I'm going to try and watch today and things like that,

and then it would change -

you'd get into the castle, someone runs up to you,

and they're like, "I think it's so and so,"

and then you're kind of, like, sidetracked,

and then you're... I kind of regret not, like, sticking to my guns,

and you'd kind of, like, flow about with other people

and their suspicions -

but, yeah, it just changed every day. Mm.

Like, it's so hard to stick to what you want to do

cis suddenly someone will do something

and it's like, "Actually, I've changed my mind."

Yeah. What about you, Dan?

In terms of Traitor hunting?

I mean, I think I got confused at times between Traitor hunting

and just wanting to keep my allies in the game. Yeah.

Um, because, I mean, that's a way to get to the end, as well, isn't it?

You surround yourself with as many people who trust you as possible.

So sometimes I did blur the line a bit,

and I think that's when my game started to unravel halfway through,

when I was like, "I should actually be looking for Traitors, as well."

Yeah, you were done by the herd, though, weren't you?

I was. Herd mentality. I think you were done by the herd.

Sometimes if a little bit of evidence crops up

and people, they quickly go, "I could survive another night here,

"actually, I'll just..."

TOM: What are you talking about, Paul?

You were never part of the herd.

PAUL: We helped... He was the herdmaster.

He was the herdmaster, yeah. We steered the herd a little bit.

Yeah, he was the shepherd. Yeah, yeah. Puppet master.

Sheepdog - more like wolf in sheep's clothing.

Did you have strategies going into the game?

Before you arrived, Dan,

did you have an idea of what you wanted to do and achieve?

Yeah, I mean, I wanted to play as ruthlessly

and as competitively as possible at all times.

I wanted to make the most of every single opportunity...

Good lad. ..whether that was on a mission

or a strategic opportunity in the castle.

Um, so when that mission came up today,

I was like, "Ooh, this is my chance.

"I'm just going to do whatever I can,"

and I knew I was going for Minah straight away.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you were right -

she was the person who would suspect you least. Exactly. Yeah.

I was making combinations of people in my head,

like, if I'm paired with Leanne, I'll go for Minah.

If I'm paired with Linda, I'll go for Lisa. Love that.

What about you, Livi? Did you have a strategy before you started?

Kind of, yeah.

Just to make friends with one of the Traitors and then be myself.

Because I wanted to be Faithful,

I just...I just wanted to be myself.

I thought, "I'm not good at lying.

"Like, there's no point me even trying to overstress myself

"with this whole plan of doing things,"

and so that's why I wanted to be Faithful,

so I was like, "I'm just going to be myself." Yeah.

Dan, you were a fantastic Faithful.

Did you enjoy playing the game? Did you enjoy your experience?

Yeah, it was fantastic. It was way out of my comfort zone,

but I played the game the way I wanted to,

and, yeah, it was brilliant.

I think, from our perspective,

it looked within your comfort zone, to be honest.

Yeah, it did. You looked one of the calmest in there. Yeah, yeah.

I think it was being surrounded by people all the time

that was probably the hardest thing for me.

Cos the game elements of things, like that challenge,

I didn't have an issue with at all, and I didn't really feel guilty

at voting people out or, you know, targeting people.

But, yeah, just being surrounded by people

and having to, like, do a bit of small talk... Yeah.

..am, as the day was going on, just...

Oh, you'd be such a good Traitor.

You wouldn't have to spend that much time with the big group like that,

would you, in any normal...? No, not at all.

So I think that's quite an unusual setting, in't it? Yeah.

There was a brilliant moment with the Funhouse mission

where they said, "That means someone has to go by themselves,"

and your hand went up straight away.

It was like, "I'm happy to go by myself!"

"Five minutes by myself? Yes!"

It's what I've been craving for the whole time.

Really taking your time, going through all the doors,

going, "I don't know which one."

What about you, Livi? Did you enjoy your experience?

Yeah, loved it.

I loved it, and, um, as much as I would change...

..kind of gunning for Freddie, cos I feel so bad,

Um, like, he's so innocent, but, um...

Yeah, I, you know, I had the best time ever,

and, yeah, I love everyone in there.

Well, we've run out of time here, but that doesn't mean it's all over.

We'll be continuing the chat in our bonus episode of Uncloaked

over on BBC Sounds.

You can scan the QR code on your screen right now to listen.

We're going to get more intel on the game from Dan and Livi,

plus we'll be putting their lying skills to the test.

Think of it as a nice way to bridge the gap

whilst we wait a few days for Episode Seven.

A huge thanks to Tom, Sophie, Paul, Livi and Dan for joining me!

CHEERING

We'll be back next Wednesday after Episode Seven of The Traitors

to discuss the outcome of the Deathmatch and so much more.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.