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Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

And my goodness, it's all kicking off.

Or as Dan would say, "I'm gagged."

If you haven't watched episode five, go and do that

and then come back here.

Spoilers are happening now.

..we get the exclusive first look

at banished Tyler finding out

who the Traitors are.

He'll be with us in the studio

to discuss being hoodwinked

at the roundtable by his clique.

Plus, to dissect the latest episode,

I'll be joined by the bad boy

of political satire, Nish Kumar,

and fizzy rose legend, Diane!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Nish and Diane, thank you so much

for joining me here on Uncloaked.

We've got a lot to talk about

after that explosive episode.

NISH CHUCKLES We definitely do.

Now, Diane, since we last saw you, you've been approached

to advertise fizzy rose.

DIANE CHUCKLES Yeah, and I can say

I have now drunk my body weight

three times over

in fizzy rose this year. ED CHUCKLES

Look, we have got a lot to talk about.

We've got Freddie and Livi coming to blows,

we've got Lisa revealing she's a priest, of course,

and Claudia revealing to Fozia and Alexander that the breakfast

consists of watermelon, pickles and a selection of cheese.

So it's been a big episode.

But first we have to rewind to the start of the episode,

when the Traitors tried to recruit Anna.

Let's remind ourselves what happened.

CLAUDIA SIGHS Oh, no!

Traitors, I have really bad news.

I had a feeling.

Anna has refused your offer of seduction.

If I'm going to leave the competition,

I want to leave it my way.

This is such bad gameplay

because they're just going to kill me.

But I don't want to join.

Huge moment.

Huge... She was so smart.

She knew exactly what was happening.

Hmm. She knew she was essentially

being led to the slaughter.

And it does get more interesting every year

because I think the next batch has seen that many more episodes

and that many different variations

and so, I really feel like she saw what happened with Ross last series

and actually that's starting to play into some of their decision-making.

And it makes the game more interesting because now people

are going to have to double and triple think

all of their thinking at every stage. Mm-hm.

But personally, if that had happened to me,

I would have stood up at breakfast

and I might actually have squeezed out a little tear,

if I could, and I would have said that I had been...

..they tried to recruit me, but I couldn't do it, obviously,

because I'm a Faithful. Yeah. I didn't want to do that.

That's what she should have done. Yeah.

And I can't believe she was quiet about it.

Yeah, it's an interesting tactic that she's taking,

not telling anyone, apart from Charlotte. Yeah. Apart from Charlotte.

She told Charlotte right at the end of the day.

So the fact that she's...

As if Charlotte doesn't have enough secrets to keep.

LAUGHING: I know! Charlotte's currently hiding her real voice.

It's the last thing she needs. Yeah.

The other players that they were considering to recruit

were Fozia and Freddie.

Do we think they made the right decision from those three?

Obviously, they didn't make the right decision because Anna said no,

but what do we think the other two might have done?

Fozia would've definitely said yes, absolutely... I think you're right.

Yeah. ..and gone for it.

And also, the other thing is that I personally think

this slightly, well, I didn't want to be a Traitor at the beginning

because I would have hated to have stopped somebody's game,

but Fozia has not made those relationships yet, you see... Yeah.

..so she would probably have been, found it slightly easier

to be a Traitor and get rid of people.

So I think... I think people trust her...

Yeah. ..so much as well because of getting off the train first.

Exactly. She would've been... Yep. Because of the speech she gave, yeah.

That's who they should've recruited.

So do we think it was a good idea for Anna to turn this down

or do we now think she's a dead woman walking,

in terms of banishment and murder?

She seems like either one could happen.

Oh, I... This whole series has absolutely shocked me

because it's so different to ours, which is why it's such good TV...

Mm-hm. ..that you can get such different games

in the same sort of surroundings.

Um, I don't know that they're going to go for her again.

No. Um, that's, not yet, anyway.

And I don't know about the roundtable yet,

because she might still very well tell everybody

that she's been recruited.

Yes. I don't know. She will have Charlotte on her side now, anyway.

I don't know. It could go either way in this game.

I don't think she'll be murdered because I think the Traitors

would want her in the game for as long as possible.

Like, her and Freddie are now kind of assets for them because

there's so much sort of stink and suspicion around them. Yeah.

Keeping them in the game, I think, is probably quite helpful.

Well, let's rewind to the mission.

One of my favourites so far.

Absolutely loved it.

DIANE CHUCKLES That's why we've got the mask.

I don't know if we've deliberately put Nish directly in front

of that clown because hair-wise, there's a lot of similarities,

I'd say. But it's sort of a mix -

red hair and curls. Yeah. Yeah, there you go.

That's really good.

Nish isn't my son, but the weird, creepy clown is.

ALL LAUGH

So let's rewind to the mission.

The not so fun-looking fun house

was full of surprises for the players.

This was one of the best reactions.

I think we should go for this, which is,

it's a black, red, black diamond pattern.

SUSPENSEFUL SYNTH SCREECHES

CHARLOTTE GIGGLES NERVOUSLY Shit. Shit. Shit. I'm scared.

Shit!

THEY SCREAM

ANNA ECHOING: Oh, no! Oh, no!

There we go.

I mean, quite a lot of glitter, I'd say, for a mission,

to the extent maybe some of the tension was taken out

of the roundtable

because Linda was covered head to toe in glitter

for the whole thing. DIANE CHUCKLES

It looked like a Traitors Drag Race parody. THEY LAUGH

Lisa and Linda, they put themselves forward first,

which seems to have backfired.

I mean, people are still grabbing at straws. I know.

They went first and everyone's gone,

"Well, that's suspicious that they went first."

Why is that suspicious, though?

I've got no idea. I think the idea was that maybe

they knew they didn't need a shield,

so they were happy to find the way through the maze first,

because it was clear they weren't going to make it all the way through.

Or they just decided, "Well, why not? We'll just have a go."

You know? Yes. Someone has to go.

Someone has to go first

because they don't want to be there all day.

That was what I thought. I know.

But it was never going to be Fozia and Alexander

to put themselves first.

They've already done something first... Yeah.

..and it did not work out well for them.

Now, it's Leanne's second shield in a row, which is very rare.

That very rarely happens.

Do we think this is purely helping her or do you think people are now

beginning to, you know, maybe circle around Leanne a little?

I know what Leanne thinks because she actually said,

"This is suspicious now, that I've got two in a row." Yeah.

Yeah. I never, see, when I was in it,

I never bothered with the shields, one way or the other.

LAUGHING: Didn't even consider it.

They care way more about shields in this series. They do. Yeah.

I think, because they factor into the missions a lot more...

Yeah. ..which is great because it also gives the Traitors a reason

to try and maybe mess up the mission a little bit.

But I think there's more of a focus on shields

than money this series. Hmm.

So it's not as if she's deliberately sort of dropping everything else

and going for these shields to save herself.

Do you know what I mean? It's never at the cost of the mission.

No. She just happened to get it. No, so I wouldn't, I think

she's more worried than she should be. Yeah.

Now, after the mission, as always, speculation began

ahead of the roundtable.

Freddie brought up his theory that there may be a Traitor

within the friendship group, or as he called it, "clique" -

although he doesn't know what that means -

between Leanne, Livi, Leon and Tyler.

Let's remind ourselves of how that played out.

Am I hearing that right?

What are they on about?

Cliques. Freddie, can I just hear what was just being said about some sort of cliques?

Oh, he said, "Have you got any suspicions?"

And I said, he didn't let me, you didn't let me finish, to be fair.

No, you just said this is a clique.

Your little group, I just call it a group cos I thought you were a group.

And I said, "I think maybe, maybe one of you could be a Traitor,

"just because my name is being, like, pushed about

"and obviously, I know that I'm a Faithful,"

so it's like, "Well, one of you is saying this."

Do you see what I'm saying? Like, just from my perspective.

What we forget about this,

we've seen the clip of Freddie bringing up that as a thing,

Minah came up with that theory.

Of course. Yeah, no...

It's... They're not looking back at that at all. No.

It's genius. They get in the car and she immediately says,

"I think it's a bit off that that,"

I can't even, I think she may even

draw attention to it as a clique.

She does, because that's what Freddie takes on

and later on he says, "I don't know what that means."

And at no point does he go, "How have I got that word in my head?"

No, I know. Cos she's Derren Brown-ed the hell out of him.

It was unbelievable.

It was total mind control, and no-one has connected it

to the fact that that whole theory comes back to her. No. No.

She is really, really good at this. Yeah, she is.

She's incredibly good at this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's talk about Minah

because that was a fantastic job she did there.

Diane, how do you feel about how Minah's playing the game

so far, with regards to that and generally?

I think she's playing an excellent game.

LAUGHING: Apart from when she cried.

She did cry again and I can't be doing with these tears.

Regardless of that, at this stage of the game,

I think she's an excellent Traitor

and I loved it when Armani tried to give her some advice

on how to be a Traitor. So good.

That was phenomenal. And even her reaction to that.

Yeah. Um, I don't know how she views Linda, though.

Does she see Linda as her just, her little sort of go-to,

you know, sort of, "I'll tell Linda what to do"

because she's minding, she's managing this whole...

She is. Yeah. ..team of, you know, this Traitors.

It's all her decision.

What's interesting at the moment with Minah is I think in other

series and maybe if it was a different Traitor,

they would have got on board the Linda thing and got rid of Linda.

Yeah. She has not turned on Linda.

No. She is doing her best to subtly protect Linda,

and I wonder whether she's biding her time. Yeah.

I wonder how far down the road we're going to see Minah go,

"Right, Linda, now is your time." I know.

I know, but she's, like, the sisterhood,

and I'm very impressed with that, obviously. Yeah. Mm-hm.

Yep. So no, I do think she's playing really well.

I mean, look what, the clique thing that she's set up,

and they just went for it, so... Yeah, incredible.

Yeah. Yeah, excellent.

And they turned on Tyler.

Yeah. I mean, it's proper herd mentality stuff,

it felt like. Yeah, it is. I know.

Yeah. I know.

And he don't like herds. He likes birds.

THEY LAUGH He's a flock guy.

He's a flock guy! Not a herd guy! Yeah.

So look, before we welcome Tyler in,

we'll chat about the roundtable briefly,

before we have to bring Tyler in and make him relive

that whole situation.

The Traitors had to do very little at this roundtable.

Is that, is that the, is that the dream scenario?

Yep. Really? Yeah. That's the sign of a good Traitor.

They just basically wind everybody else up quietly. Yeah.

Not spouting and going from group to group and shouting out names.

Just do it quietly and then you just can sit back

and let them get on with it.

Yeah, Minah did all the work... Yeah. ..and she watched it play out

way quicker than she must have anticipated

that it would happen. Yeah.

I mean, it's fantastic television.

Yeah. It's so good because when you have that information

and you're watching all of them essentially implode,

it's, it's good, it's good TV.

Now, talking of our Traitors, it's time for our Uncloaked

exclusive, where banished Tyler finds out their identities

after he left the castle.

Enjoy.

Feeling like, you know, obviously a bit, a bit gutted,

because obviously, I feel like my journey has come

to an end too soon.

I feel like, if you're going back, like a flower, kind of,

like I've not fully bloomed out.

I feel like I'm midway and there was more to bloom out, really.

I wish I could have stayed longer,

but I'm a big believer of everything happens for a reason, so we'll see.

Freddie is a Traitor.

I believe Leon has been recruited

to be a Traitor cos

I just can't believe he's done that

at the roundtable.

And then the third one...

This is a guess. Like, a reach.

Probably Joe, I'm going to go with.

All right, come on, then.

Oh, please don't be Livi.

Oh, my God.

She's playing a good game.

LAUGHING: She's playing a good game.

Linda.

Jesus.

All right, then, Traitor number two.

Oh, my God.

No way.

Have I actually read that right?

Minah.

I can't believe Minah is actually a Traitor.

She's so quiet, like...

And Linda as well.

Like, they don't say anything round the roundtable.

Obviously, we took out the voice of the three in Armani.

She was the one calling the shots.

We've took her out and then the two girls are keeping the ship afloat.

It's like they've masterminded this unbelievable plan.

Like, put them in charge of the country right now.

I cannot, honestly, my head's gone.

I can't believe it.

And he's here with us now.

Welcome, Tyler! Yay! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

We are delighted to have you here, Tyler.

Thank you very much.

And that was such a great clip.

Yeah. I loved seeing you find out that Minah was a Traitor

and check to see if you've read it right.

That's incredible.

I weren't good at English at school, so... THEY CHUCKLE

Well, you said they'd be good in charge of the country. Mm-hm.

What do you think Linda and Minah would bring to the Government?

Women power. Women power. Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Thinking back, do you think they're equally sort of in charge?

Or do you think one's sort of masterminding it?

Er...

You got the older head on Linda's shoulders, obviously. Yeah.

And then Minah's like a bit more adventurous one out of the two.

But they're a good team, you know.

You know, old and young together,

kind of mix, it's like mixing up paints,

you know, just makes a lovely colour. You know what I mean?

So they're great Traitors, then, really? Yeah, they're good.

Because, you had absolutely no suspicion about either of them?

No. Like... That's incredible. TYLER EXHALES SHARPLY

When Elen said about there's female Traitors...

Yeah. Strong, "strong women", she said. Yeah.

..obviously Armani, that's what flicked, like, the switch

for me. Yeah. But then you got rid of Elen, all of you.

No, I know, yeah. I still feel bad about that.

But, er... They got rid of you, Tyler. THEY CHUCKLE

So you don't have to feel bad about getting rid

of anyone else now.

Linda, I don't know, just...

Why do you think Jake didn't push Linda, though?

We are so puzzled by that.

Er, well, when he came off the, uh, the boat,

when we had the boat mission... Mm-hm, yeah.

..and that's when he kind of announced it,

but no-one really got on it.

NISH AND ED: Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

It was just like, do we feel sorry for her cos she's an older woman?

DIANE CLEARS THROAT THEY LAUGH

You know. Sorry, Diane.

So you should be.

But we always get told to respect our elders,

so it was just a bit like, you know.

I know for a fact - and I don't want to embarrass you, Tyler -

that Tyler is a huge fan of yours, Diane.

Aw, you told her. Yeah. THEY LAUGH

Oh, good. How does it feel?

How young do you want me?

THEY LAUGH I'm a fan of Nish as well. Fan of Nish as well, yeah?

And of you as well.

Diane's just a bit, you know, a bit more.

How do you feel being in a room with Diane,

to have this opportunity to meet Diane?

Well, you know, watching you on season two,

that was the one where I was like, "Oof, this is a bit of me,"

do you know what I mean? Like...

I'd have been good in there with you, Diane, I think.

I agree. You know, I love watching it cos, like,

the challenges and the missions and obviously the twists and turns,

obviously your twist, Diane, with your son, Ross, pulls you in. Yeah.

It's like a, I don't know, like a whirlwind just pulling you.

You just want to get in there. Do you know what I mean?

You love the missions as well, right? Yeah.

You were great at the missions. You really loved that and you were great at them, yeah.

Yeah. I think I called myself the mission man.

Yeah. Yeah, you know. Well, it was the,

I think it was the first mission, actually, where

you were having to get the gunpowder and bringing back the,

the treasure chests and all of that. Oh, yeah.

I think it's Alex who said, "I don't know what,

"Tyler's just found some massive motivation. Yeah, he did, yeah, yeah.

And it cut to a clip of you running with this chest

like, "Come on! Dig in! Dig in!"

Yeah. You're such a pure soul, Tyler.

Thanks, mate. And, like, I think on the missions,

it really looked like that was the thing you really loved.

You really like the teamwork element,

you really like the people you're in with.

I have no clue why they got rid of you.

I think it's one of, like, I think we're on sort of back-to-back

decisions, between you and Kas,

where I can't read the group's thinking at all. No. No.

It built so quickly in one episode as well,

so it was literally like... Yep.

It's rare you see it where someone's mentioned

at the beginning of an episode,

that plan immediately comes through, and then you were gone

by the end of the episode. Yeah. Yeah. So it was so quick.

And also, things that some people were saying -

this got brought up a lot -

was that with Armani they were saying, "Well, you didn't say Armani

"until everyone else said Armani,

"and then you took credit for it,"

which is not true because you mentioned Armani,

I think, quite early on - in the second episode, maybe. Yeah.

Uh, yeah.

Um, I remember getting Kas into the bar and I didn't even let him talk.

He tried to talk, I was like, "No, wait."

Like, pushing him back like, "No."

I says, "This is our plan. We need to set a trap."

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Now, we saw in that clip there that you were very sure

that Freddie was a Traitor. Oh, God, no.

Don't worry. You've not been the only one so far

who's, before they've opened the envelope,

said that it's definitely Freddie

and then realised that it's not. Aw.

Um, how did you feel when you saw that his name wasn't on the paper?

Um, I just feel so bad now because he's, like, you know,

he's 20 years of age. I'm 29.

It's like I've, oh, no.

You were pretty confident going into that roundtable. I know.

So yeah, let's have a little reminder of that moment.

DRAMATIC RHYTHMIC MUSIC PLAYS

Going into the roundtable,

you know, confident as pie.

I've got great friends in here, you know, gravy on chips.

I'm feeling good.

Pie. Gravy on chips.

Are you sure you were confident, and not just hungry?

THEY LAUGH

Now, yeah, you were very confident going in.

It was heartbreaking to watch as well from a viewer perspective

because we knew that chat had happened. Yeah.

And then you said, "I've got friends in here, I'm going to be fine."

Aw, no. And yeah, it was just a real surprise at that moment for you.

That's why I was saying, like when I was leaving,

that Leon must have been recruited

because he was my mate in there. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. But it's a game.

It's a game, yeah.

And also, Leon, I think particularly...

I think he got scared of the clique thing.

Yeah, he got, him and Leanne,

you just saw their heads go.

Livi was the only one who didn't panic. Yeah. Yeah.

How much do you appreciate that she still stuck

up for you at the roundtable?

Er, I get emotional talking about this.

She, honestly, like, with Livi,

she was like a sister like that in there to me.

She stuck up for me at that roundtable

and I was just like, you know,

she's my best friend, do you know what I mean? In there.

When you said to her... Yeah?

.."stay strong. Remember, it's a game,"

I thought she could interpret that either way.

Yeah, yeah. Because I would be sat there going,

"That's what a Traitor would say."

THEY LAUGH No, she genuinely trusted you and liked you. I think she genuinely...

Yeah, she did. Yeah. No, I trusted her.

Like, I'd have backed her to the hills and back.

Yeah. Know what I mean? And she would've done the same for you.

If I had opened that envelope and it was her... TYLER EXHALES DEEPLY

But it wasn't.

You wouldn't see me here today. I'd be gone.

No, but that's, but therefore, your judgment was right,

where it meant something. Yeah. 100%.

Yeah. If it makes you feel any better,

you had no idea who was in the envelope.

No.

LAUGHING: It was, you were,

that's the most shocked I've ever seen somebody react. Yeah.

I just couldn't believe it.

Like... I've never seen anyone drop the paper.

Ant did fall on the floor, though.

Anthony fell on the floor and ate his own chain, but, um, yeah.

Well, Tyler, you were yourself from day one. Yeah. Mm-hm.

You always wore your heart on your sleeve,

even from episode one. Cheers, mate.

Let's go back and remind ourselves of that.

What I'm worried about is that if we don't come to a decision

by the end of it, more than one of us will be kicked off. Yeah.

I think we need to take the hit on one person quickly.

I think this feels bad, though, someone going now. Is anybody else...

Are you all right, Tyler? It's all right, Tyler.

I just, as soon as that happened, I thought,

"Tyler's the sweetest man who's ever been on the show."

Oh, dear. "Please, please don't make him a Traitor."

Because I don't, I think it'll weigh too heavily on his conscience.

Yeah. Is that something you considered?

That, if you were made a Traitor, do you think you could have dealt

with that on your conscience?

Being a barber and that, I've got a lot of trust off people.

Do you know what I mean?

Well, this is how Sweeney Todd got away with it.

No, we're just, obviously people trust me

cutting their hair and stuff, so if I was a Traitor,

I don't think they'd ever trust me to cut their hair again.

Do you know what I mean? Like, "Is he lying to me that this looks good?"

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Why is he doing it with a scythe?

LAUGHING: Yeah.

Yeah. Just... Were you surprised by how

immediately emotionally invested you were in the game?

When you were on the train,

did that take you by surprise that you were,

you were so into it so quickly?

I'm not a massive, you're going to laugh at this, but I'm not

a massively emotional person.

But I just, something just flicked in my head,

I was just like, just started crying.

I was just like, cos of this guy, Alexander, who sacrificed himself...

Yeah. That could have been me, it could've been someone next to me.

I just thought, "He's put himself on the line here,"

and it just got me. Yeah.

Yeah. It was like... You say it could have been you,

but you were very adamant that you weren't getting off the train.

You were like, "There is no way I'm getting off this train."

Yeah, "You'll have to chuck me out the window," I think I said.

Let's take a look at the moment where you left the castle.

I just want to say I love all of you.

It's just a game.

So just keep going and smash it.

I love you.

PIANO CHORDS PLAY STRINGS BOW QUIETLY

I am...

..Faithful.

Nn... STRINGS AND PIANO SOAR

Oh, my God.

SNIFFING

There you go.

She knew. She absolutely knew. Can I just say as well,

this is a hard watch for everybody that saw that. Yeah.

Yeah, I saw. Watching me. Because we have been

bleeding tears today... Yeah. Aw.

..you know, watching this and discussing it.

It has been hard, you know. Yeah.

Being banished, would you have preferred that

to being murdered? Which of the two would you prefer?

Yeah, obviously, sorry, Diane, but you got murdered,

but I always said I wanted to be banished,

just because you can stand up in front of everybody,

you can look at everyone, what their emotions are

and then when you say that word, you're a Faithful...

Yeah. Yeah. ..you can just see what the reactions are.

That's what I always wanted,

I always wanted to stand up there and say what I was.

You get that moment and then

you also get to see the looks in the faces

of people who voted for you. Right? Yeah.

You're like, "What are you doing, you idiots?"

Yeah.

But obviously, Diane, you were murdered,

but in the most fantastic way possible. Yes, but I would not have wanted...

You were buried alive.

Yes, but I would not have wanted to have gone to an envelope

sitting on a chair, I can guarantee you.

I thought I was going to get murdered.

I mean, I probably should have got murdered way earlier on than I did.

But I would not have wanted an envelope.

I would have liked what you said, being banished and being able

to stand there and say or justify or do, you know,

some sort of protection or defence. Yeah.

Getting an envelope is very harsh.

It feels like you've gone, like,

you've been chucked out the back door kind of thing.

Yes. You always want to go out the front door

on your high horse. I totally agree with you.

There was some suspicion on you as well

because of Freddie, actually, because you did have that one

episode, which I think to me summed up what I would be like

in The Traitors, which is, you said, "We're all going for Freddie."

Then you went, "I think it might be Kas."

Then it was back to Freddie, then there was a moment

where I was like, "I completely empathise with that"

where you just went, "Oh, I don't know."

Yeah. Yeah.

I just couldn't, I couldn't make my mind up.

And then in the end I just went Kas.

Yeah. And yeah, it looked suspicious, looking back now.

Well, the looks that Livi and Leanne shot you across the roundtable.

Oh, I know.

I felt like I let my sisters down, basically, especially Livi.

Well, there is a moment afterwards, where they come

up to you and basically corner you...

I know. ..to say, "Why didn't you vote for Freddie?"

I know. And it was like two sisters going at their big brother

because you were all sort of laughing as well,

because you were like, "This is ridiculous."

Yeah. I just, yeah, I just, I don't know.

But when they said, like, you know, I laugh a lot and stuff and...

That was mad. Yeah.

We see you smiling.

It's like, yeah, you've just got rid of another Faithful

for a glint in the eye. Yeah.

You did leave some suspicions as you left the roundtable as well.

Hmm. What was it that you found powerful about Leon?

I mean, you were in there. Yeah.

From a viewer perspective, I'm not necessarily getting that.

Nor me. At one point, you referred to him as "an olden days king".

Just, I don't know, like, he's got, I don't know,

around the roundtable, obviously, being in there,

it was just like when he spoke, like, everyone just shut up

and just let him say everything he wanted to say. Right. Yeah.

Did you genuinely think he was a Traitor

or were you just annoyed because he was your mate

and he kind of turned on you?

I didn't 100% think he was a Traitor,

but because he just turned on me like that, I was like,

"What the hell?" Like... Yeah. It's like Traitors' behaviour, then.

What you saw. Yeah. Because obviously in the morning

when we all got into the breakfast room and stuff,

no-one had been murdered...

Yeah. So I was thinking,

"If he's coming for me at the roundtable,

"does that mean he was recruited on that..."

Right, yeah. Know what I mean?

Because obviously we didn't hear from Anna

about the failed recruitment, so...

No. That's what I was watching, when I was watching it, I was like,

"If she'd just said, it might have saved me."

Now, there was another big reveal in this episode,

which happened after your banishment, Tyler.

Oh, yeah. At the roundtable, Lisa also came under suspicion

for her change in behaviour and for her references to God.

I need to tell you all something.

OK.

OK.

A lot of people have questioned the reason why I said,

"As God is my witness."

OK?

I am an ordained Anglican priest.

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The drama.

Oh. I love that Lisa thought,

"Well, I do need to start telling people"

and rather than doing it one by one or telling one person, she was like,

"No, I'm scripting this." Yeah.

Diane, do you think this was a good idea for Lisa to reveal this?

Obviously you had a secret in the castle,

but you took it to the grave with you.

Do you... Yeah, literally.

Do you think it was a good idea for Lisa to do this?

I don't think she needed to.

I think she should have been more sensible at the beginning

and not said "as God is my witness" and not worn a crucifix

or at least hidden it. Why is that a problem?

I don't know why that's a problem for anyone. Because, I think,

well, I just think people don't say that any more. Yeah.

You know, she didn't... But I'm not saying that that meant,

immediately, she was a priest. I'm not saying that at all. Yeah.

But she drew attention to herself by using that phrase. Mm-hm.

Yeah. I don't think she needed to tell anybody at any stage.

No. I think she's now put a target on her back, actually,

is what I think she's done. I'm afraid to say,

it's another example of this very compelling group of people

on television who we're really enjoying watching,

but who also make some of the strangest decisions possible. Yeah.

And that's partly why it's such good TV, because again, they, like,

they're all there going, "I'll tell you what. She did say God a lot."

And meanwhile, Linda is like, "I am a Traitor"

and they're like, "Ssh, shut up, Linda. Ssh-ssh!

"I think we're onto something with this." Yes!

That's exactly what's going on. "She said God thing."

You're like, "What? What? "Why is that suspicious behaviour?!"

We love Linda.

Well, as God is my witness,

we're going to continue the fun

over on BBC Sounds,

where we will get even more T

on our remaining players,

plus a big old deep dive into

two of Tyler's loves -

musicals and bird watching.

It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked in your BBC Sounds app

right now, so you can listen on the bus, in the car,

whilst you're on a crisp morning walk.

Just scan the QR code below, and if you're as confident as pie

about your abilities, then maybe you've got what it takes

to be on the next series of The Traitors.

A huge thanks to Nish, Diane and Tyler for joining me.

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We'll be back after episode six tomorrow, to dissect the fallout

from Tyler's banishment and whether the Faithful

are going to get any closer to actually catching a Traitor.

I'm Ed Gamble, stay faithful.

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