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Hello, Traitors super fan.

You are very welcome to Uncloaked with me, Ed Gamble,

the visualised podcast that gives you all the Traitors treats.

That means exclusive chats with our players, behind-the-scenes secrets

and stacks of episode analysis.

In this case, that's Episode 4.

And you know what I'm going to say -

if you haven't watched Episode 4 yet, go!

Get it watched on iPlayer this instant and then come back here

because there are spoilers galore from... now!

Coming up, three amazing players are here

for their first-ever interviews -

that's murdered Maia and banished Kas.

Plus, we finally release Jack from his swinging cage in the sky.

We're bringing back banished Traitor Armani to chat to her sister Maia.

And you thought YOUR family Christmas was stressful!

We've got another exclusive extra bit where we find out

how Maia and Kas reacted to who the Traitors actually are.

Plus, in my basement, to break down every irresistible moment

from Episode 4, it's Aisling Bea!

APPLAUSE

Aisling, thank you so much for joining us.

And, Jack, welcome back to solid ground

and welcome to Uncloaked. Thank you very much. Woo!

Now, I want to take you back to that big decision in Episode 1.

What motivated you to get off the train?

I was busting for a pee. AISLING GASPS

Like, I needed a toilet so bad! So desperate for a wee!

And I'm thinking, "Right, let's just get it done

"as quick as possible."

Other than now knowing you went for a wee, there is something

about those first three people that I'm sure there'll be plaques

commemorated to them as, like, the good people.

We never got to see them or, well, we don't yet get to see them,

if they turn bad or not.

But actually you get to be preserved in brine as a sort of good person.

Immortalised. Immortalised as like... Not brine.

Well... Yeah, not brine. Yeah.

Well, by brine, I mean, like, fish... Yeah, maybe not brine!

...not a man called Brian, which could be the ultimate prize.

Well, look, guys, we've got loads to go over.

We will talk about the incredible mission,

including Jack's time dangling in mid-air.

And we've got the cliffhanger of a possible Traitor seduction

to muse over. Ooh!

But let's just remind ourselves of who we said goodbye to

at the Round Table. Aw!

It's been fantastic. And you are all fantastic people.

I know it's just a game.

And, Joe, who'd have thought you'd have caught me

based on a twinkle in the eye?

On the first Round Table, I was selected...

NERVOUS CHUCKLING

...to be a...

...Faithful. Oh, my God! Oh, my God!

I knew it, I knew it! I knew it! I knew it. I knew it.

Every time, I defended him.

There we go. Aw! Justice for Kas!

Yeah... Justice for Kas! Look, justice for Kas.

I mean... And he trolled the hell out of them at the end there.

Yes, he did. I loved that sassy walk away.

Which, I know we should be on the Faithfuls' side,

but I feel like they deserved that.

Yeah, they did. Yeah, massively.

I spent a very brief amount of time with him on that train,

and even just from, like, 15 minutes' worth of interactions,

he is the nicest, the most genuine guy.

Like, obviously, it's hard to say when you're in the castle

what you're going to do.

I don't see how anybody could've for a second... Yeah.

This is why Britain does not deserve the NHS -

because of the way you treat your health workers. Yeah.

Yeah. He is still turning up, being kind,

and yet they say... They damn him for a twinkle in his eye,

for good bedside manner. For being too nice! For being too nice.

For being a doctor! We don't deserve nice nurses and doctors.

No, we really don't. We really don't.

And that was light trolling.

Like, if it was me who had that much suspicion on him

for the whole time, my exit speech would have been un-broadcastable.

AISLING LAUGHS

Jack, what about Freddie's Round Table performance?

He actually said, and this is a direct quote,

"You guys can believe what you want. I'm not going to beg."

Do you think that's a good tactic?

Everybody in that game,

like, as much as you're trying to separate yourself from the world

and not make it a personal thing,

as soon as you see someone start to cry,

it's like with your little brother.

If you're fighting with him and he starts crying and he goes

to shout, "Mum!", you're immediately like, "No, no, no, no, no, please!"

And I'm not saying that he was crying on purpose. Further from it.

Like, he seems like such a genuine emotional guy.

But I think if you do have those outward displays of emotion, it's...

It's how I win fights at home.

Even when I'm wrong, I'm like, "Oh, I don't think I'm right here..."

FAKE-CRIES: .."I just have been very overworked and stressed!"

Oh, no! And it really does work.

Freddie did do something really good this episode, though.

He managed to change Tyler's mind - because Tyler was dead set...

Oh, yes! ..on going for Freddie. Yes.

And then he got in his head a little bit,

and he changed it to Kas.

I don't know whether that's a difficult thing or not.

Tyler was in about four different minds in one episode...

Yeah. ..which I've never seen before,

going, "It's definitely Freddie," "It's definitely Kas,"

"I don't know who it is." Which makes you look very sus.

Yeah. I think so as well -

like, even just from a viewer's standpoint, not even from talking

as someone who's been in the game.

There's an amazing bit with Tyler as well after the Round Table,

when he's changed his mind, despite telling Livi and Leanne

that he was going to vote for Freddie,

where they're just going at him in the corridor -

like, going, "You said you were going to do this!"

And you're like, it looked like he's been in that situation

many times before... Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

...where he's got two strong women telling him off for something.

He's like, "Oh, I've done it again." "Oh, no! Classic me!"

"Tyler's screwed up again!" Oh, that's class.

So we should talk about Dan, because it was his...

It was his idea to make it a little bit murky

as to who the Shield went to. He's so clever. He IS clever.

It is cunning. But do we think that'll come back to bite him?

Cos they don't... They don't like clever people in this game.

Oh, they don't like... Or kind people... Or kind people.

...which really says a lot.

If you read a book or you're friendly, you're out.

But I think with Dan, if this was a TV show, like a fictional TV show,

he would be the perfect lead detective,

where he's sniffing around all the right areas, but he doesn't realise,

like, the people are in the basement being like...

MUFFLED SCREAMING

He's just... He's almost doing always the right thing.

Yeah, I think I could see him really banding everyone together,

kind of becoming the spearhead of the charge against the Traitors.

If he starts throwing accusations in the right way... Yes.

...all you need to do, really, is challenge a couple of Traitors

and make it, you know, so obvious.

Yeah. He could... He could do it.

The thing about Dan, though, in terms of...

I think he's an amazing Traitor hunter... Yeah.

...and I think he will continue to get better at it,

but I don't think he's a good person to bring a group together

because he will also not add any flowers on top of anything. No...

No, not at all. He wouldn't say, "Oh, we're all in this together."

Yes. He's already said, "This is a game..."

He likes to have the truth walk into the room stark naked

with nothing on it, type of thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And I love it. I feel it was a missed opportunity.

Like, we don't know yet who has been seduced

or if they're going to say yes, but I know they've narrowed it down

and I feel he is a missed opportunity... Yeah, 100%.

And I was shouting at the telly, going, "Oh, no!

"Dan would have been perfect!"

Because to transfer that skill to the Traitors

and try and stay on his track, like, to go back

and then have to kind of pivot would have been amazing.

It depends what they want

when they're recruiting, though, doesn't it?

Because at the moment, they've narrowed it down

to Fozia, Freddie or Anna. Yes.

So I think they're looking for a patsy.

Yes. So they're looking for someone to get rid of

and to bring it back to two down the line.

You're so right. He would have ended up being the end Traitor.

Yeah, he's too good. Yes, yes, yes. That's very clever.

I think they're looking for someone

to just feed them a Traitor, basically.

Out of the three, who would you pick to be a Traitor,

at the stage that they're at now?

I mean, if I was looking for a good Traitor,

I don't think any of them are particularly good.

Not Fozia? But I think Fozia would be good,

but I think there might be a little bit of suspicion on her anyway,

because Claudia said that thing about,

"We don't know whether they're coming in as Traitors or Faithfuls,"

but I think she would be good.

And even though she's very noble, the way she got off the train,

I don't necessarily think that she'd say no or be like... Yes.

..."I'm 100% Faithful." I don't think anyone will say no,

because people do realise they get in it

cos they're game players and want to play the game... Yeah.

...and I don't think anyone is going to nobly say no,

because it's not an actual religion. It is still a game. Yeah, yeah.

Who do you think they should go for and who do you want them to go for,

both of you, for the Traitor seduction,

out of those three?

I've spent more time with Fozia... Yeah. ..you know,

than any of the other members of the cast. She has got it in her.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She could... Yeah. ..do it so well.

She's such a mischievous little firecracker... Yes.

...and it doesn't come off.

She seems very, "No messing, straight to business,"

but when you get a chance to talk to her, she's very cheeky.

I was quite impressed by her.

I love, like, when everyone had to petition,

the first guy was like, "Look, I work in conflict resolution."

She was like, "Do the right thing! Remember me!"

Yeah. "You little..." You know, to stay in, she manipulated them

in a good way, because, like, "I did something nice,

"and now you have to do something nice for me."

And then you were like, "I'm tall!" Which I enjoyed.

And it was... I just thought it would be nice.

I didn't want to guilt-trip anyone!

Well, before we talk about it any more... Yes.

...let's remind ourselves of that moment.

So, I ain't a conflict resolver.

I'm a gardener from Yorkshire.

But at this stage, the most important thing

is winning that money.

I'm a big lad. I'm 6'5, I'm active.

Like, I go to the gym. Like, I live next to the seaside.

Like, I go swimming in the ocean.

IN AMERICAN ACCENT: Let's get this money! Come on!

Oh... Oh, no!

First of all, your American accent - fantastic.

It just didn't... It just didn't land.

You know, like, you know when you're telling someone a joke...

No. ..and as you're getting... LAUGHTER

Yeah, OK. Fair enough. Well, let me... I'll explain the concept.

It's basically... Have you seen our work?

Yeah, it's like a story with a funny ending, basically.

No, but when you're getting halfway through a story

and you just... you feel like you're losing them. Oh! Yeah.

And I got up there and I started talking, and in my mind, I was like,

"No guilt trips. Let's just be kind.

"They don't know if I'm Faithful or not.

"There's no point in me saying anything about that." Yeah.

"Right now, it's, 'Get money in the bank.'"

Yes. "I can do that for you." Yeah.

"Let's exchange goods for services."

Was it the moment - and I saw that happen - where you thought

you'd lost them, is that when you went...

IN BAD AMERICAN ACCENT: .."Let's get the money"?

LAUGHTER

IN EXAGGERATED AMERICAN ACCENT: "Come on, guys!

"Cool dudes, hustle up!"

Yeah, I just got to the stage of just being like...

I was just looking, and I was expecting...

In my mind, I thought, "Right,

"everyone's going to be cheering at this point.

"People are going to be clapping.

"Like, they'll have the party poppers out.

"Someone will be waving a flag of England."

And I just expected...

So then at that last thing, I was like, "Let's get this money!"

But I just...

So good. As my voice went higher, my insides got much smaller,

and I just felt, like, the internal shrivel... Yeah.

...and I was like, "Let's get this money!"

So, Jack, let's see how things concluded for you.

CLAUDIA: As for Jack, I'm sorry, but you are going home.

HE SIGHS

Gutted. Absolutely gutted.

But, yeah, I'm happy for 'em both.

This has been one big wake-up call

to how brutal The Traitors can actually be.

Now, for the rest of you, I want you to think about this.

Alexander and Fozia are joining you,

but are they joining you as a Traitor or as a Faithful?

Messing with them a bit there!

I know, I know!

Do we think that's going to arouse suspicions

in Alexander and Fozia?

I think it already has done. Yeah? I think it already has done.

The boat is rocking... Yeah. ...I'd say.

I was kind of hoping I would...

If I could come back in, it would have been in a Traitor role.

I was expecting at least one of us.

Well, Jack, you were certainly the centre of the action

for both of your stints on the show, so a huge well done.

Give it up for Jack, everyone!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Hey!

King, king, king! Now, we also need to discuss Maia's murder.

And we have the small matter of a little Uncloaked family reunion

between sisters Armani and Maia right here on our sofa.

But first, time for a podcast exclusive.

This is the moment Kas and Maia came face-to-face after leaving the show

and found out who the Traitors were all along.

I'll tell you now, if Freddie don't walk through that door,

I'm going to be fuming.

Please come in, Traitor!

I know it's you.

What's up?

Kas! Oh, my... I can't believe you died!

Oh, my God! What?!

Kas, OK.

So are you a Traitor?

Kas, don't do this. Let's start with that. Let's start with that.

Look at this... Kas, don't do this, man!

What do you think? You're annoying me! Take that off.

What do you think I am? You got me. You got me.

So, what? What are you telling me, then?

So I was a...

...Faithful. Hey!

Oh, they're so stupid! Oh, my God!

But they got played so well. I think everyone got played so well.

I knew you was a Faithful, man. I'm pissed off for you.

Yeah, I was... I was annoyed.

So, who do you think is a Traitor, then?

So my ones are Livi, cos she appears and disappears

and she's very good at planting stuff,

Jake, because he was very quick to shut down any talk for the missions

for me - "Oh, I can't talk a thing about the missions" -

and I'm going to go for Lisa because she's very subtle.

I think she'd make a good Traitor if she was one. Fair. Yeah.

So I think it's Anna, definitely, because she had too many examples

of why she wasn't a Traitor. Yeah.

And then Freddie, because that look in his eyes... Yeah. I knew...

I knew it was him on that raft. Yeah. I knew it.

I think we should find out. Are you ready to find out?

OK, ready? I don't know! OK. OK.

OK, so...

No! Who is it?

Who is it? No!

Minah.

Oh, Minah's a Traitor! Minah! Minah! No!

Minah, I suspected her

at the beginning,

and then I forgot she even existed.

She's not going to get found out. She's far too good at that.

She's amazing. She's phenomenal.

I should have known. Oh, my God!

I am... Like, I'm in both...

I'm both angry with her and in awe of her.

There's definitely... There's definitely a bloke who's a Traitor.

And it's Freddie. And we think it's Freddie.

If Freddie's name does not come up, I'm sorry, Freddie,

cos I have been bashing you, mate. I am so sorry!

This is crazy. This is mad. This is mad.

Are we ready to find out the next one?

OK, let's see who's next. Go on, impress me.

The next person...

...is Linda! It's Linda?! It's Linda!

It was Linda that whole time!

Damn! Jake's theory was actually right?

I have never been so wrong before

in my whole life.

OK, go on. Do the next one. Do the last one.

It was just the three of them!

Freddie, I'm sorry. Freddie!

I'm so sorry, Freddie! That is mental.

Minah's got this. Minah's definitely got this.

And Maia and Kas are with us now.

THEY CHEER

Welcome.

Freddie!

And you're having a baby, Maia?

Yes, I am. Congratulations. Thank you.

Kas, I want to walk through your suspicions that we saw

on the tape there. Yeah. So, Livi. Why Livi?

So, partly into my defence here,

so I kind of built up this image in my mindset,

especially from Armani. Yeah.

But, so, based on her, I was like, there's these figures,

kind of who would complement her and be slightly different

that would work well.

So I was like, it's going to be a young woman who phases

in and out, says something which is really deep

and then disappears, and then has gone quiet in the background.

I was sitting there for ages and I was like, the only person

I can think of is Livi.

And then it was only when we saw Minah's name I was like,

I was on a raft with this woman in a lake for two hours...

Oh, yeah, you were. ...and I did not think of her,

and she was doing exactly the thing that I was sitting there being like,

"Livi's doing that completely."

And so when we saw Minah's name,

I was like, "Oh, I was on the right track."

But it was just she was just so good at it

that it was just completely under my radar.

Maia, let's talk about Freddie.

Come on, even in that clip.

That's not come up at all, actually, has it?

Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, Freddie! I'm so sorry. Were you suspicious of him?

Even when you were murdered, you opened the envelope that said

you were murdered, you were like,

"Yeah, Freddie's killed me. It's definitely Freddie."

I just really thought it was Freddie.

Like, we were really close, you know?

We was kind of like the young ones,

so I was like, "Yay, love that. We have a little bond."

And then when we were on the raft, I was confused on why he got

off the raft.

Because I got off the raft because I was rubbish.

But I was like, you got that male strength, that male power,

you keep on rowing. Freddie was rubbish.

But actually, when you watch it as the audience member,

he really couldn't get the hang of it. He was struggling.

I realise now watching it.

I think if you were watching as anyone who wasn't Maia on the boat,

Freddie didn't get it.

Yeah, in my brain, I was like, why is he coming off as well?

That's a bit suspicious.

Then when we got off, the first thing he said was, like,

"Well, I wish they don't get it." And I was like, "But we need money."

It's not making sense in my brain.

You know what happens in this show, which I find is quite interesting,

you know that thing of, like, did you react or did you respond?

And a response is something that you've thought about and edited

and put it forward.

And if you have just natural human reactions... Yeah.

...they go down so badly. Yeah.

So human moments go down so bad, like naturally crying. Yes.

Or just being stressed and acting oddly like you do

when you're under pressure does not go down well.

And it's actually the more manipulative people who are used

to editing how they speak or how they act.

Like, you got up and did a toast to a nice person in a moment.

That was a reaction, a human reaction.

Or Freddie got off and was like,

"I hope none of them win, actually. That was really hard."

Like, he's just been stressed, annoyed at everyone shouting at him.

And I understood the idea of, like, well, if I'm up for murder, I hope

everyone's up for murder. Yeah.

Which is actually the most normal, Faithful reaction of going,

"I hope none of them win."

It's actually... a Traitor would actually say, like,

"Oh, I hope we all win."

Yeah, I see that now. Yeah. I see that now.

But what I mean is... But on that raft, I was like...

But you're looking for anything at that stage.

Yeah, you're looking for anything. Every single thing.

If anyone says anything outside of the accepted little book of

phrases that people use, then you're like, "Right, well, you're going."

"I'm 100% Faithful."

Plus, he couldn't row cos he's up all night doing

press-ups and crunches. Yeah!

Sometimes he showers.

Yeah, sometimes he showers after he's done his press-ups.

And a little moisturiser. Lovely stuff. Yeah.

Maia, you also said that you suspected Minah at the beginning

and then forgot she existed.

Yeah, because we was on the train together. Yeah. Yeah.

And I remember just always, like, looking over at her.

I was thinking, "I don't know, man. Something about you as well.

"I don't know what it is," but nothing clicked.

Nothing stayed.

Yeah. I think that's the beauty of the game,

is that you get so distracted by everything.

There's so many opinions happening all at once.

And because she, in my opinion, is probably, like, the best Traitor

I've ever seen... She's just phenomenal. Without a doubt.

She's the best Traitor I've ever seen

cos she's so in the background.

She is in the background.

But you couldn't level that classic thing at her of going,

"You don't say anything, you don't bring up any opinions."

Yes, exactly. Because she just does it at the right moment. Yep.

And she emotes at exactly the right moment. She cries at the right time.

It's not like she doesn't show any emotion or anything like that.

It's funny, watching you,

I feel like your first instincts are nearly always right, and other

people get in your head and make you question yourself.

It's like you gaslight yourself... Yeah. ..because your first

instincts are right.

And I was like, "Oh, my God." About your own sister.

Even about your own sister. I was like, you were dead right.

That moment, the first thing you're like, "She's got her work voice on."

Yeah. You just know.

I feel like as a sister as well, you just know.

Like, even when we walked in that first breakfast

and she started crying, in my brain, I was thinking, you don't cry...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. ..like this.

She was like this.

Armani cries like that. Yeah.

The tears go all down her face.

So I was just happy to see you.

But at the same time, I was thinking,

why are you crying like that?

Do you think if Fozia and Alexander had been able to vote

at the Round Table, do you think that would have made it

a different outcome for you? Yes.

Definitely.

Fozia, especially, was madly supportive in, like,

the most lovely... Yeah.

And I was really grateful that I got to see Fozia again, actually,

because I realised that when all three of them

were in the cages, I was the only one that had actually interacted

with all three of them that was left.

And so I knew all of them, but I owed Jack.

So I was like, I'm going to put coins in your thing first.

So I decided I'd put two or three coins in Jack's, and I'll just go

for whoever's losing, because I've spent a nice amount of time with

all of them before they all decided to sacrifice themselves for me.

But Jack's the one who's done it directly.

But, Fozia, we had a really nice connection.

And I guess from, like, almost like an auntie kind of perspective. Yeah.

In the last Round Table, she gave me this really lovely opportunity

to be able to say what I did get to say, which I had... my plan had been

to say nothing.

But I'm glad you reserved that last bit of fire for when you stood up

and revealed.

My plan had been to say - I already knew that I was going to do

that because I've been levelled with so many ridiculous accusations

and I was like, "What's the stupidest thing that someone's

"said to me so far about why I'm a Traitor?"

I was like, this all started from, like, a twinkle in my eye.

And I was like, "Where did that even...?

"How has that been the thing that's made me a Traitor?" A twinkle.

Maia, now you know that Freddie wasn't a Traitor,

are you surprised you were murdered?

Because you were so on it when you were like,

"I've been murdered. It must be Freddie." Yeah.

To be fair, when I was watching the episode, I was like, I understand

why you would murder me.

I think I'm the only one that made sense in that moment.

I just thought it was, like, brutal, cos, like, I just got rid

of my sister. Yeah. And now I'm dead.

So how does that all work, really?

So there were some other secrets knocking around in the castle

that I do want to ask you guys about.

Did any of you suspect that Charlotte might not be Welsh?

Not one bit. No.

But in the Round Table as well,

the fact that she managed to hold that accent completely throughout.

And when she was genuinely feeling emotional as well. Yeah.

She sent me a voice note after everything finished

and I was like, "Who's this?" Yes.

He was like, "Who are you?"

And Leanne, secret soldier. That was mental. Oh, my God.

Leanne shocked me the most cos we was quite close. Yeah.

She was brilliant. So I was like, we was talking about really, like,

girlie things and, like, I'm quite a simple girl.

Nails. So I was like, "Oh, yeah, we're just going to get nails done."

I was asking her, "Do I get gel? Do I get acrylic?" Like,

"Which one do you think is better on the nails?" She was like, "Erm..."

And she was like, "Bullets! I mean..." Yes. She was going to me...

Afterwards, she was like, "Uh, acrylic." And I was like,

"OK. Yeah, that makes sense. Like, I'm going to do that."

But, no, that one was a shock.

Her one is the best game plan.

Her pretending to not be a soldier is such... Genius, yeah.

...and coming in blonde, like, dressed as a Barbie is,

because you'd assume, oh, she's trying to challenge perceptions of

a nail technician. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it was the...

That was a brilliant game plan. It was amazing.

And of course, Armani was a Traitor.

And you, Maia, were a Faithful.

So before we bring her back on to Uncloaked and chat to you both,

let's check out some of that not-so-sisterly dynamic. Hoo-hoo!

I'm not too sure about Armani.

And it's, like, painful to say that because she's my sister.

But I do see her moving weird.

Maybe I'm being paranoid, but the energy, something's off.

I've never asked this in this room before. Ooh.

How would you feel about murdering your sister?

Mm. We knew what we signed up for.

And if she's got to go because I need to survive,

then she's got to go.

Please welcome Traitor Armani back to Uncloaked.

CHEERS AND BOOS

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

Welcome back, Armani.

Lovely to have you back. Thank you for having me.

We said this when you were on, Armani.

If you'd killed Maia, night one,

how would you have felt about that, Maia?

I probably would have killed her when she got home.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But I'm glad she didn't. Yeah.

And you noticed very quickly, Maia, that Armani was moving weird,

I think, is the phrase that you used. Yes, that was the phrase.

At what point? What was the first thing that you noticed

where you thought, "This is weird"?

It was her voice and her actions.

I kept on saying... So everything!

Basically her whole personality. KAS: Just her. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

"Just everything about you."

I could tell that she wasn't being natural, and it made

me feel uncomfortable. Mm.

And then I was thinking, "Why am I feeling uncomfy around my sister?

"This is making me feel weird."

And then when she just came in and the work voice came

on straight away, I was like,

"Aha! Something's not adding up over there."

But then I still thought, let me not do too much.

You kept it to yourself a little bit...

Yeah. ARMANI: Not enough. ...until that Round Table. Yeah.

I mean, not "a load" a bit. But "a load" a bit.

Until the Round Table, because everyone started coming for both of us. Yeah.

And I was thinking, "Whoa, whoa, whoa.

"I know it's not me, so it must be you."

It was the worst part of being either a couple or a family

member in that, because you guys were doing what any couple or, like,

pair of sisters does, even when you're at a party

when you're like, "Hi, great to be here. Yeah, great to be here."

"Why are you being weird? Are you annoyed at me? What's going on?"

Yeah, yeah. "What did you do? Why are you being so weird?

"What's going on? I don't get it."

You were being so - only family, it's like there's, like,

a low radar sound that you can hear.

And only someone who's loved,

and you've been around them your whole life. Yeah.

It's like, you know a song they're singing and it's slightly off tune.

Literally... It's the tone.

When she said to me that, "You're using your work voice,"

I was like, "I absolutely am."

Yeah. "Like, of course I am. I don't know these people."

POSH VOICE: "No, I'm not. It's just me, Armani." Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know these people.

They don't know me.

They don't know anything about, like, what I'm like at home.

Can I just say, you decided to not conceal it because you were like,

people will spot it straight away. Mm-hm.

Seeing you both on the sofa together and listening to you talk,

you wouldn't have got away with it at all.

You really wouldn't have gotten away with it. Thank you.

There is no way. You really would not have gotten away with it.

We wouldn't've. We wouldn't've.

But I feel like, I don't know, we were screwed from the minute

we said that we were sisters.

Do you think in the future, had you remained in there for longer,

if Minah and Linda were gunning for Maia, would you have protected

her and tried to stop that happening?

Definitely, she would have. 100%. 100%.

So if the roles were reversed and you were the Traitor,

would you have killed Armani? Definitely, yeah.

No, but, like, just, yeah. 100%.

It just is one of those things, you know what I mean? 100%. 100%.

Yeah. I've got kids, innit, like.

Even if you didn't have kids, Maia,

you've been the most sneaky, conniving person I've ever known

to exist on this planet. Yeah. So, like...

And we are delving into the therapy couch now.

The doctor's in the room.

Welcome their mother, the next guest.

THEY LAUGH

So, here is that incredible Round Table moment where Maia

aired her doubts in front of the group.

I did think that she was a Traitor.

For a time.

I'm still not 100%

because I have no actual evidence.

But, I don't know, something's just, like, not fully 100%.

Can I ask a question?

So you said that you thought Armani might be a Traitor.

Do you still think that?

Yeah. Like, maybe, like, 60%.

I was done, I was done.

I was done. 60 is over 50.

It's that first moment where you said,

"I think Armani might be a Traitor."

And your look, Armani, the full head turn of... Hmm.

I was like, "You flippin' fool."

It was a head version of your work voice.

"Me? But I can't even spell Traitor. What is it? I don't think so."

But also it seemed a bit like it was you trying to act as if you were a

Faithful, but also just genuinely annoyed at Maia for saying it.

I was pissed. Oh, my God.

In fact, it's funny cos I collected myself after.

But in that moment I was thinking, "You mug.

"What are you doing right now?" I could have gone on.

But I think the damning thing, and so much has come

down to our concept of percentages in this thing, Linda saying, "100%."

"You can't be 100% about anything."

Your 60%, if you had said 40,

I don't think you would have gone home yet.

But the fact that you said 60, which is above 50, guys, sorry...

Pfff!

Mathematics is not my thing.

I think that's why it pushed it more than 50-50. It's the sister's instinct thing.

And I think that's what pushed her out. Everyone else is looking.

They're looking for a reason to find someone out. Yeah.

They're looking for a reason to say someone is a Traitor.

60's good enough for me. But a sister saying 60%... Yeah.

I don't feel like the reason why Armani got banished

is because of my 60%.

I think you kind of dug that hole for yourself, and I made the cherry

on the top of the cake. Yeah.

KAS: I think it was just the confirmation.

ARMANI: I'll take that. You put the screws into the coffin.

I'll take that. But the only thing is...

I do think you would have acted the exact same had you been a Faithful.

That's my point. But there's a problem.

I think you would have been just as bad both ways. That's just Armani.

The thing for me is when I'm having conversations with people,

I'm like, "Guys, like, you lot think so highly of me, you lot think

"I've got super strategies coming out, like, coming out every angle."

Like, I would have led that first Round Table... Yeah.

...regardless, I would have spoken the same way, regardless, I would

have absolutely shared every little piece of information I had.

But you still noticed the little nuances, Maia. Yeah.

So even though she was sort of broadly doing it in the same way

she would have done as a Faithful, there were tiny little things

that only a sister can notice, 60%.

It's the 60%.

Well, there's so much more we need to ask Armani and Maia.

I want to know about what they discussed before they went

into the castle.

Plus, we're going to hear more about Kas's intentions heading

into the game.

And Jack will be back to tell us all about what kind

of player he would have been.

That's the end of part one, though.

Your bonus Uncloaked episode is only in the BBC Sounds app.

You can listen right now before you go to bed or download

it for the morning commute

before you and your colleagues have your Traitors chat session.

Just scan the QR code on your screen right now to dive in.

And a big thanks to our guests, Aisling Bea,

the amazing Maia, Kas and Armani.

CHEERS

Join us next time for another edition of The Traitors: Uncloaked

combing over everything from Episode 5.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.