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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,610 Happy New Year and welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,090 the official visualised podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble. 3 00:00:08,120 --> 00:00:09,890 We are back and so excited 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,490 to get addicted to another series 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:12,970 of the best show on TV. 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,090 We'll be here after every episode to dissect all of the action 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,090 from the castle and to help us 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,010 we'll be joined by celebrity guests, 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,330 some familiar faces from series one and two 10 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,130 and of course, we get the exclusive first chat from the latest murdered 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,530 and banished players. 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,410 But before I say too much, spoiler alert - 13 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,890 if you haven't watched the first episode of series three, 14 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,210 then get yourself onto BBC iPlayer and do that now. 15 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,530 Coming up... 16 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,930 ...Yin will be here to discuss being the first murdered player from the game. 17 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,410 We also have unseen footage of her surprising alter ego. 18 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,250 Plus, to dissect all the players 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,890 and our new set of Traitors, 20 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,570 I'm joined by Traitors super fans Emma Willis, 21 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,690 Babatunde Aleshe and winner of The Traitors series two, Harry! 22 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,250 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 23 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,210 Welcome, Emma, Babatunde and Harry, welcome to Uncloaked. 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,090 Now, there's a lot been happening since the last series. 25 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,970 Diane became mother to the nation and was offered fizzy roses 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,330 left, right and centre... EMMA: Mm-hmm. 27 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,330 ...jazatha Christie got his own radio show... 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,090 It was either that or start his own private investigators. 29 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,930 ...and Harry, you and Paul started your own podcast. 30 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:21,050 Hmm. So why can't you stay in your own lane? 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,010 CHUCKLING: Yeah. THEY LAUGH 32 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,170 Before we get into it, I want one word from each of you to summarise 33 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,610 this first episode of the new series of Traitors. 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,770 We'll start with you, Harry. 35 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,810 I would say wow, but, like, not just the word wow. 36 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,690 You know, like, as in, like, a wow. A feeling? 37 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,130 Yeah. You know, like a... Yeah. 38 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,570 It's not like... QUIETLY: "Oh, WOW." 39 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,810 Not like a deep one, but like a real meaningful... 40 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,890 WITH EMPHASIS: "WOW." 41 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,010 Like, that was just, like, I ain't got words, basically. 42 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,330 So the answer is wow. 43 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,290 Yeah. THEY LAUGH 44 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,170 Could have just said that. Could have just said that. 45 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,290 Baba? 46 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,730 Uh, anxious because I want to see the next one, man. 47 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,850 Emma? 48 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,010 Um, EastEnders. 49 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,690 Hm. I love this. 50 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,050 Especially the sisters. 51 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,010 They're giving me major EastEnders vibes because I want to know 52 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,450 if either of them are going to rat each other out. 53 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,970 Yes. Ancl that will be so, like... HUMS EASTENDERS DOOF-DOOFS 54 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,570 Now, we've got a lot to talk about from that first episode. 55 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,090 Fake accents, fake jobs, hidden identities 56 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,090 and losing three players from the train 57 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,010 before they even made it to the castle. 58 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,210 That was brutal. 59 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,130 It's probably the harshest opening a series of the Traitors has had... Yeah. 60 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,770 But it leaves you guessing immediately. 61 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,770 Yeah. But we should start with the biggest headline 62 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,890 from our first episode. 63 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:30,690 We have an all-female Traitor line-up. 64 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,890 Shall we remind ourselves of the moment they discovered 65 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:34,730 one another's identities? 66 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,410 SUSPENSEFUL SYNTH DRONES 67 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,610 EERIE GASPING THEY CHUCKLE Oh, God. 68 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,210 Woman power! 69 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,290 Oh, my goodness! 70 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,690 Holy... Not a clue, mate. 71 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,090 No. Not a clue about either of you. Not a clue. 72 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,170 There we are. 73 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,290 It really is, it's woman power, this series, as Linda says. 74 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,490 CHUCKLING: It IS woman power. 75 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,130 Why do you think it's an all-female line-up? 76 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,130 Do you think... Why not, Ed? Why not? 77 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,890 No, but do you think maybe Claudia was... 78 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:07,730 And no offence, Harry. She had an eager to... 79 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,970 ...eager to avoid some of the masculine energy. No, you can say it. 80 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,490 When she walked in and we'd recruited another Traitor, 81 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,250 I remember in my last series, she was like, 82 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,610 "Oh, it's just like olden times." 83 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:17,650 And I was just like, "Oh, my gosh." THEY LAUGH 84 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,410 I don't even know if she said that. 85 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,130 Ancl then it's funny now that they're all women Traitors. 86 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,810 Yeah. It's, uh, it's not a boys' club any more. Hmm. 87 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,130 Now, our Traitors have very different tactics. 88 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,450 Minah, very quiet, seems to be leaning into the role easily. 89 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,250 Do we think she could be the quiet and surprising assassin? 90 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,650 Yes. Yeah. Hmm. 91 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,330 I think she's got a good game. 92 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,210 Yeah. Mina. Yeah, she's playing it, pitching it perfectly, I think. 93 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,770 Now, Armani, I think, may be doing too much. 94 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,450 She's carved herself out as a leader of the pack. Hmm. 95 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,970 Did this remind you, Harry, of Paul's tactics, perhaps? 96 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,330 I would say Minah's sort of taking the same role on that I was doing, 97 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,210 you know, sort of letting someone think they're doing really well 98 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,210 and they're the leader of the pack, and they're, 99 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,050 cos now I think what she's doing, that Armani, 100 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,690 she's sort of trying to cover herself too much. Mm-hmm. 101 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,730 So she'll think that she's doing really good and no-one will think it's her. 102 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,570 But she's planting way too many seeds... Yeah. 103 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,530 ...where Minah is sat back and just watching it all unfold. 104 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,890 So yeah, I would say in some sort of way, she's like a Paul. 105 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,290 There's the added complication of the fact that Armani's sister, Maia, 106 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,210 is in there, which, you know, Minah may be a bit worried that Armani 107 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,530 won't be able to separate herself from her sister in the game. 108 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,370 Hmm. How do we think that's all going to play out? 109 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,690 Cos they've obviously gone in there and said, "we're sisters." 110 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,250 I don't get why people do that, though. 111 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:32,450 Can I just say that for a fact? 112 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,210 It'd be hard not to. I mean, they kind of know. 113 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,450 But I don't know why you would go with your sister anyway. Oh, yeah. 114 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,730 I keep saying this to everyone. 115 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,610 Like in our series, we had obviously, um, Diane and Ross, 116 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,330 mother and son, like, why would you put that extra needed pressure 117 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,090 on yourself and not just go there and be yourself? Hmm. 118 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,370 But I think Armani's move should have been 119 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,850 to immediately kill her sister. 120 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,570 No. No. That's what I said! Straightaway. 121 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,090 Mm-hmm. That's what I said. Don't you think? 122 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,850 Watching. Because then all suspicion has gone from her as a Traitor... Yeah. 123 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,010 Who would kill their sister first round? Absolutely. Yeah. 124 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,130 That's the first thing I'd think, I'd be like, "|t's you. 125 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,970 "You're the Traitor, 100%." 126 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,890 Plus, I think her sister's clocked. 127 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,970 Oh, her sister's absolutely clocked. You think? I think so. 128 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,650 She knows. Yeah. 129 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,290 It's difficult to hide things from your siblings. She said, didn't she? 130 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,890 Like... She said she's moving weird. 131 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,250 Yeah, she's moving weird, she's talking weird now. 132 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:18,170 Yeah. I don't know why, but yeah, I mean, 133 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,490 this is the joy of the game. This is why it's so amazing, 134 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,250 cos everything could be a double bluff. Yeah. 135 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,770 So I would've said, you go in there, get rid of your sister straightaway, 136 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,650 then it's like, "Well, I couldn't have been a Traitor." 137 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,210 But then she's already crying at breakfast, 138 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,850 so then all it takes is one person to be like, 139 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,250 "You've clone that to cover yourself," 140 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:32,650 and then they're straight back onto us. 141 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,090 So it's, that's the hardest thing... 142 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,770 I don't know how you do it. The pressure going in that game. 143 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,930 Yeah. I mean, well clone, Harry. Well clone. THEY LAUGH 144 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,130 For real. For all the hideous lies you told. THEY LAUGH 145 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,530 No, it's, I mean, it's brilliant, isn't it? 146 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,210 It's amazing to watch. That's why it's such a fantastic show 147 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,290 because it's just a brilliant game to watch. 148 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,890 Um, Linda, I feel like a slightly changed personality 149 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,570 since she was made into a Traitor... Yeah. Hmm. 150 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,010 Cos she'd sort of got a really nice, fun aunt vibe on the train. Yeah. 151 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,290 I would have loved to hang out with Linda. She did bat it off, though. 152 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,810 You know when he pulled her up on it right at the beginning, 153 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:09,450 she did kind of... I felt like she played that all right. 154 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,490 But at the Round Table, that's when she seemed to suddenly go, like, 155 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,130 lose her personality and almost like 156 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,650 she's paddling under the water in panic. I swear to God... 157 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,850 Trying to glide on the top just like, "Agh!" underneath. 158 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,290 That's how I would be, you know. 159 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,410 I'd be like, "Get off my back, leave me alone!" 160 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,250 I swear. Ancl then you start crying and go, "|'m a Traitor!" 161 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:30,610 For real. 162 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,170 Yeah, that's confirmed to me what I already know, Baba, 163 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,810 is that you would be an absolutely awful Traitor. 1 00... 164 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:37,410 I'm terrible at lying. 165 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,850 Now, we already know that the heat is on Linda already. 166 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,570 Oh, poor Linda! Poor Linda has already got 167 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:45,770 a bit of heat on her. 168 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,970 She dealt with it well, though, didn't she? 169 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,490 I don't know. Nah... This is what we should talk about. 170 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,890 Everyone's laughing! "What are you watching, Willis?!" 171 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,330 I thought she kept her calm. 172 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:57,730 She was calm. Yeah. 173 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,930 But I would say throwing it back 174 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:03,690 in the person who has accused you's face immediately, 175 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,250 it's like... Too soon. It's too soon. 176 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:06,810 Someone's going "I think you're a Traitor," 177 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,490 going like, "Well, I think you're a Traitor." 178 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,130 That's not a good defence, I don't think. 179 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,290 I would agree, I would agree. That's the part, cos like you said, 180 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,850 she was very calm and I thought she was handling it very well 181 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,130 up until that point. Yeah. You know what I mean? 182 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,170 Because now that deflecting back onto him, 183 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,850 it's just like... that doesn't even make sense. 184 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,410 What do you mean? I'm the one that's accusing you. 185 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,490 What are you talking about? Now I'm suspicious of you. 186 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,210 Now I'm even more suspicious of you! 187 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,970 Yeah. You know what I mean? So, yeah. 188 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,690 Because I think the moment... You're right, the moment she said, 189 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,410 "Oh, I don't think it was anything. 190 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,050 "I was just looking because she was talking," 191 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,530 is a perfectly good defence for that. 192 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,890 Even though I did watch back, 193 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,690 the moment where Claudia said Traitors... Like she had whiplash! 194 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,530 And she literally went, "Yes?" 195 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,330 She may as well have said "Here, Miss." Like, it was... 196 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,010 It was, it was properly obvious. 197 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,210 By the way, what an amazing play byjake to even spot that, 198 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,690 like, and call that out straight away. 199 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,570 Because also fair play to him too, because he could have been worried 200 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,010 he would have been murdered that night. 201 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,690 But then now he's also got the thing of 202 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,970 if he is murdered, everyone knows who it is. Yeah. 203 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,170 So he's sort of solidified his place now for a couple of clays at least, 204 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,010 cos he can't go, cos then it's too obvious. 205 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,210 But then now he's got an actual honest opinion 206 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,770 of why he thinks it's someone. 207 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,850 But if Linda could get enough votes to be banished, 208 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,410 it'd be the first time that a Traitor gets banished 209 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,010 at the first round table. That would be good. 210 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,690 It would be huge. 211 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,930 What impact would that have on the Faithful 212 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,810 and their mood towards the game? 213 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,770 Oh, well, they would just be singing for joy, wouldn't they? 214 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,730 They would be on a massive high. 215 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,530 The Traitors would be absolutely panicked beyond belief. 216 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,970 Yeah. I don't know what Armani would do. I'd be gassed if it was me. 217 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,050 If she was gone straight away, I'd be over the moon as a Traitor 218 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,730 that they've caught a Traitor straight away. Yeah. 219 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,450 Because the whole fact that now there's only two of us, 220 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,410 we can recruit... Well, maybe, who knows, 221 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,330 they might be able to recruit, but for the rest of the game, 222 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,170 now, everyone who had one inkling of it being something 223 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,610 becausejake's gone forward and said, "I saw her move her head," 224 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,090 everyone's going to start saying, "Because you sneezed, it's you. 225 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,290 "So I need to go for you now. 226 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,650 "Because it worked for Jake, so it's going to work for me." 227 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:07,930 So as a Traitor, it's sort of like, well, you're going to be sweet, 228 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,970 smooth sailing for a couple of clays at least. 229 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,210 Do you find yourself, Harry, watching it now and not being in it, 230 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,850 do you find yourself being on the Traitors' side, 231 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,530 or are you rooting for the Faithful? 232 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:19,970 Obviously we've got another soldier in there. 233 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,650 We've got another military person. Yeah, I know. 234 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,210 I can't wait to see how that unfolds. 235 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,690 Yeah. They seem really cool. 236 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,010 But, yeah, look, I mean, I'm branded for life. 237 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,650 I've got a Traitor's tattoo and everything now, 238 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:32,010 so I'm going to be a Traitors' number one fan, like, forever. 239 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,050 So I'll always be on the Traitors' side, even though there is that side 240 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,530 of me that wants to be the only Traitor to have gone and won it, 241 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:40,330 so I don't know, yeah. So it's a 50/50 right now. 242 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,690 But of course I want the Traitors to win in the end. 243 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,170 Possibly the biggest surprise was suspicion rising on Nathan 244 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,970 after he suggested Linda could be a Traitor. 245 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,330 So let's have a look at how that went down. 246 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,930 It feels a bit strange to say, 247 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,810 "I've not said this to anybody, but I'm saying it now." 248 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,730 Yeah, because it's not me saying that I think she's guilty. 249 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,530 It's, if there was one thing that I could think of, 250 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,810 that would be the only thing that I could think of. 251 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,130 That's all I've got. 252 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,730 Genuinely, like... 253 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,130 So he pointed towards Linda as being a potential Traitor 254 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,210 as Jake had done. 255 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,290 And then everyone straight round wheeled round on Nathan. 256 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,010 Do we think it's because he's wearing his outdoor coat indoors? 257 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,690 He looks like he's ready to go anyway. 258 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,810 THEY LAUGH 259 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,090 That was such a rational explanation, though. 260 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,650 Yeah. But it backfired on him so badly. 261 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:33,210 Once people sniff blood, if someone does something, 262 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,770 they're like, "|'m going to leap on this. 263 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,890 "And then I'm hiding behind the other person who's making the accusation." 264 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,130 Like Kasim said, you know, seed of doubt. 265 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,890 And once you use the phrase seed of doubt, 266 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,410 that gets to people, doesn't it? 267 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,450 We've got loads of lies flying around. 268 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,530 And not just Keith saying that he'd lied to his wife for 30 years, 269 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:51,570 that he liked her spaghetti bolognese. 270 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,370 I love that as a pitch to be a Traitor. Lovely Keith! 271 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,170 Leanne is an ex-soldier, 272 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,290 but pretending to be a nail technician. 273 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,330 Do we think this is good game play? 274 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,490 Is this your fault, Harry? This is what I want to know. 275 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,530 Do people in the Traitors' castle not trust 276 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,170 members of the armed forces anymore? 277 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,410 Yeah. I was thinking that when she said, "No-one would trust me 278 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,090 "if I told them I was a soldier." 279 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,210 I was like, oh, gosh, I hope that's not because of me. 280 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,930 It's 100% because of you. 281 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,210 Yeah, but, no, I think it's a great idea. 282 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,530 Obviously, I didn't do that. 283 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,690 I wish I had said I was a nail technician, but I probably 284 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,530 would have messed up somewhere along the line. 285 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:25,530 But, no, I think what she's doing is very clever. 286 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,250 Like, I sort of had that same sort of game plan. 287 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,210 Mine was sort of act, act like you're the youngest, 288 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,450 sort of dumbest sort of vibes, like, don't really know what's going on. 289 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,090 Which was my whole play in the turret. 290 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,530 I knew exactly what was going on all the time, so I was ahead. 291 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,810 Ancl that seems what she's doing. So I hope it goes well for her. 292 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,330 Ancl obviously she was a soldier too, 293 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,210 so I'm going to be supporting her the whole way. 294 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,650 We should discuss Charlotte quickly. 295 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,930 Her thinking behind it, I think, is that Welsh 296 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,730 is a more trustworthy accent. 297 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,010 You know, she's got a little secret from everyone else. 298 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,250 But what I would say is, in the history of Traitors, 299 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,490 there's been two Welsh people in there before, 300 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,690 and they have both been Traitors. Yeah! 301 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,810 It's not worked. So, like, as a result of Andrew and Amanda, 302 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,610 I don't trust Welsh people anywhere now, 303 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,530 let alone in the Traitors Castle. I really don't get this. 304 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,650 I've got to put it out there, like, the people... 305 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:11,770 Pretending to be a Welsh accent, what's the point? 306 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,290 Cos as soon as you're under pressure and you wake up tired, 307 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,610 you're not going to wake up as soon as someone wakes you up from a nap 308 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,250 and be like, "Oh-ah!" Like Welsh. 309 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,170 Or however you say... How would a Welsh person wake up? 310 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,010 Harry, that was amazing, this whole time... "How would a Welsh person wake up"?! 311 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,890 You know what I mean... This has blown my mind. 312 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,770 This whole time you've been pretending not to be Welsh? 313 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,930 No, but I'm trying to say, like, 314 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,090 you're not going to wake up and be Welsh. 315 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,690 You're going to wake up and you're going to be like a Londoner 316 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,890 where you're from. You're going to speak like where you're from. 317 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,490 So I just don't get why people keep putting 318 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,130 this added pressure on top of themselves. 319 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,130 Because as soon as you're under a high pressure situation 320 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,050 and you're hiding stuff and you're lying, 321 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,650 as soon as someone finds that out, it's like, well, bang, you could... 322 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,730 If you lie about that, you can lie about being a Traitor 323 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,130 and then you're a target straight away. 324 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,490 So I don't know why people do it. 325 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,810 And of course, we have lovely Lisa, our Anglican priest, 326 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,370 who's keeping her identity on the down low. 327 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,370 As a viewer, I'm sat there thinking, I bet I'd be able to tell 328 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,410 she was a priest, even if she wasn't wearing the dog collar. 329 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,890 Why?! 330 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,690 She's got big priest energy. 331 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,170 That's a fact. 332 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,930 Don't you think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 333 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,810 Cos as soon as she took her dog collar off... 334 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,410 She still looked like a priest. ..she still looked like a priest. 335 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,770 And then, now she's wearing... she's wearing a crucifix, 336 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,570 she's like, "I've got to put something around my neck." 337 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,930 And didn't she say "As God is my witness" at the Round Table? 338 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,210 She did. Yeah. Yeah. 339 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,450 Now, there are some other great players in the game. 340 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,370 We're very excited to see their journeys. 341 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,810 We've got the barber, Tyler, who's an old soul. 342 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,810 Oh, yeah. He loves musicals and bird watching. 343 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,530 And also, he needs to stay for a bit, at least until 344 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:37,930 all of the people whose portraits are at the top are murdered. 345 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,330 Because he's the one who has to get them down. 346 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,770 We've got Keith, obviously, professional window cleaner. 347 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,010 As opposed to an amateur window cleaner. 348 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,650 It's good to get that ironed out. 349 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,970 And jack. Now, we need to remember jack, 350 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,130 the mullet-wearing market trader who got off the train early. 351 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,010 Yeah. What's happening there, Ed? 352 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,730 What's happening? Well... Come on. 353 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,250 It was a huge twist. That's why we're here. 354 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,210 A huge twist for the first episode. 355 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,930 So let's remind ourselves of that moment. 356 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,330 CLAUDIA: Listen very carefully to what I'm about to say. 357 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,810 My God, I'm shaking. 358 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,810 Right now, there are 25 passengers on this train, 359 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,330 but there are only 22 spaces in the game. 360 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,450 So for three of you, your journey is now over. 361 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,290 Oh! That's quite good, isn't it? 362 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,450 It's very good. It's brutal, though. 363 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,810 Yes. It really is. 364 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,770 How would you have felt if that had happened to... 365 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,290 I was not getting off that train. 366 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,610 There's no way, man. There's no way. 367 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,250 I would have just sat there and... Look, we've not even got 10K, 368 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,250 so I would happily just let the 10K... 369 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,530 Ancl if we all turn up at the castle, what's Claudia going to do? 370 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,890 She's going to have to think of something else. 371 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,890 Like, we're all, if we all stay here... 372 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,410 Yeah, 25 of us, we're going to have to start the game at some point. 373 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,330 So, yeah, I would not have got off the train. 374 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,890 It's one of those things, though, isn't it, 375 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,210 where I would be thinking, is it a double bluff? 376 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,570 Yeah, I'm totally with you. 377 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,450 I would get off because I would think that it is a double bluff. 378 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,530 But as far as we know at the moment, they just got off the train 379 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,290 and the train left, and we're never going to see these people again. 380 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,450 Fozia, jack and Alexander have got off the train... 381 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,690 Nah, we're definitely going to see something. 382 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,890 You reckon? Yeah, 100%. 383 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,290 Oh, I think jack is too fantastic to go. They've not disappeared. 384 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,170 I think they're all proper characters, aren't they? 385 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,010 It'd be a real shame if we don't get to see them. 386 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,730 It would be brutal, though. THEY LAUGH 387 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,090 If we don't see them. Four people gone on clay one. 388 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,330 Like that, "Bye, Baba! Bye!" 389 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,770 I feel like this one's going to hold so many twists and stuff, 390 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,890 we just don't know it yet. Cos that's the first, 391 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,210 the final's already changed, 392 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,050 four people have gone on clay one, 393 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,450 so what else is going to happen? It's crazy. 394 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,730 So I think we've just about covered everything from the launch episode 395 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,330 except for our first murdered player. 396 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,530 We have a fantastic exclusive clip of the moment Yin discovered 397 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,210 who the Traitors are and met the first banished player. 398 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,330 But I'm afraid you're going to have to wait until 399 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,090 the next episode of Uncloaked for that. 400 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,290 For now, let's remember why the Traitors decided to murder Yin. 401 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,770 I think we're going to have to kill off Yin. 402 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,930 She's just got too much brains. 403 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,930 Yeah, yeah. And I just see it being a big pain in the arse. 404 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,970 Yeah, we can't afford to let that risk grow. 405 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,930 OK, I'm with you. 406 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,250 Our first murder, girls. THEY GASP AND LAUGH 407 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,250 And she's here with us now. Welcome, Yin! 408 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,090 CHEERING 409 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,250 I never thought I'd be referred to as a pain in the arse. 410 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,850 I just... That phrase did not cross my mind. 411 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,530 How did it feel watching it back and hearing that 412 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,170 they chose to murder you because you are smart? 413 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,050 It must be bittersweet. 414 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,250 Yeah, it's...it is. Very devastating still. 415 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,210 But I think the funny thing is, 416 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,410 I honestly don't think I came across as that smart, 417 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,290 having now seen the episode. 418 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,610 I think, if anything, I looked confused. 419 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,890 Like, a lot of shots of me were just like... 420 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,730 I was just like very perplexed, right? 421 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,410 Ancl that was deliberate. 422 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,890 I will say that I'm not a good analyst of my own, 423 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,010 I guess, articulation and howl hold myself. 424 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,610 I can't really assess that very well. 425 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,770 Ancl so I must have missed out on signals I was sending through 426 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,370 even how I put sentences together, 427 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,730 the words I was using, for example, must have given away 428 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,690 that intellectual side of it. 429 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,610 Well, it wasn't even just the words you were using. 430 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,250 Oh...! Keith said at breakfast, "She was clearly smart. 431 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,410 "She was reading the books in the library." 432 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,570 Yeah, I... THEY LAUGH 433 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,250 Right. I... Yeah, I know... 434 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,450 That was your fatal error, was picking up a book in the library. 435 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,170 Clearly. But that trap was set for all the players. 436 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,490 I think even Harry had to read a book at some point 437 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,650 in the library. 438 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,250 A Shakespeare one, right? Shakespeare? I had to find it. 439 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,650 Trust me, I've never read a book in my life. OK. 440 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,450 Except from Biff, Chip and Kipper. 441 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,250 My biggest tip - do not read books in the library. 442 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,250 Honestly, avoid the library. 443 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,130 Now, also, you said you can tell a lot by the way someone dresses. 444 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,410 Do you want to... Absolutely. 445 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,450 ...give a quick analysis of what I'm wearing today? 446 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,970 You are casual, but you also want to project a certain, like, uniqueness. 447 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,370 It's... You've got a combination of like that jacket 448 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,730 with the dark trousers and the boots. 449 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,330 So you're absolutely stylish, but the casual vibe is very obvious. 450 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,010 So the goal is to make us feel comfortable, 451 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,330 as if we're in a sitting room having a nice little chat 452 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:10,530 about a murder mystery drama. 453 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,290 She's got me. I... Something like that. 454 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,490 Do me, do me. Because it's about communication, you see. 455 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,290 Right? This is a show about communication. 456 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,530 Ancl through the portraits themselves that are in that room, 457 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,090 breakfast room, and how you dress for clay one especially, 458 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:28,330 you communicate more through those two things, I believe, 459 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,410 than through what you say or do in that first clay, right, 460 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,810 where there's so much chaos and noise and so many... 461 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,130 25 people this year, that's a lot of signal from different people. 462 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,930 But I think how you've chosen to package yourself, the colours 463 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,410 and what you're wearing in terms of, is it a dress, a suit, 464 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,810 is it slouchy, is it sharp-edged? 465 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,650 It gives a lot away. 466 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,770 Ancl sometimes it's what you want to be perceived as, 467 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,730 like Leanne with the Barbie look. 468 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,770 In other cases, I think Dan had a really interesting one where, 469 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,170 like you, Ed, he had like a jacket, but also very fancy dress shoes. 470 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,290 So casual ancl like super formal in the same look. 471 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,890 Like, huh. It was interesting. 472 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,450 Do you think you would have been able to tell 473 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,010 if you'd been at a breakfast and everyone coming in, 474 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,930 do you think you could have picked out a Traitor 475 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,730 by what they'd chosen to wear that morning? 476 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,690 Uh, nothing's 100%, but I would have been 477 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,450 able to increase my suspicions, I think. 478 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,530 I think... Or decrease. The opposite is as useful, right, 479 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,450 to be able to rule people out a bit 480 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,250 is as useful as increasing suspicion. I think so. 481 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,730 Talking of the Traitors, 482 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,210 how did you react to finding out who they were? 483 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,410 Because that must have been a big moment for you. It was. 484 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,250 I was absolutely shocked. 485 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,170 Which actually proves that I think murdering me wasn't the best move 486 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,010 because I had no idea. 487 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,130 So I viewed the entire thing as, 488 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,850 I'm going to have this spectrum of trust, 489 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,690 like your Scoreboard Of Suspicion 490 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,130 from the previous time you did Uncloaked. Yes. 491 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,250 We're no longer using the Scoreboard Of Suspicion, 492 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,050 but thank you for watching the first series. 493 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,170 OK. Excellent to hear. 494 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,970 Uh, in spite of that, Yin is a very stubborn individual. 495 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,770 So I basically had this idea in my head that I would calibrate 496 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,250 visually on my wall relative levels of trust 497 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,810 I had in every other player. 498 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,290 I had Post-its, basically, and they were colour coded. 499 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,450 So I think I had one colour that was like, um, if it was yellow, 500 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,850 I had some inteL 501 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,410 I had interacted with the person enough to be able to put them 502 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,690 somewhere on that spectrum. 503 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,290 Ancl if it was green, I didn't have enough intel, 504 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,770 so they were kind of in the neutral zone, right? 505 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,490 So I would, I would shift the positions of those Post-its, 506 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,010 which had people's names on them, to reflect the latest state. 507 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,930 Ancl that was... It was, time was the key thing. 508 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,930 I'm gutted you went so early because this is... 509 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,090 Cos you talked about having a narrative... Yes! Oh, yes. 510 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,290 ...that you wanted to play out and you've got all these Post-its. 511 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,770 I mean, I would have loved to have seen how that worked out. 512 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,890 Oh, thanks, Ed. 513 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,130 That's a lot of thought going into everything. 514 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,330 I was about to... My brain doesn't shut down, sadly. 515 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,730 Harry, did you think that much? I'm so happy I was a Traitor 516 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,610 so I could just go to sleep. 517 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,890 I knew what was going on, and I knew who was a Traitor and who wasn't. 518 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,730 So I could just sit there and go to sleep. 519 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,690 I didn't have to do all the Post-it notes and that. 520 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,250 I'm so sad for you that you came up with all this brilliant stuff... 521 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,570 I know! ..and then got to the end of the first day and went, 522 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,610 "Oh, no. They've done me. 523 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,410 "I bought 8,000 Post-it notes. What am I going to do with these?" 524 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,770 I also bought 51 kg of luggage. 525 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,730 THEY LAUGH 526 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,290 Yeah, they booked me an extra suitcase. 527 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,330 Ancl can you imagine me, two massive suitcases, 528 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,730 two carry-on shoulder bags, trying to get to the airport? 529 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,170 It was hilarious. 530 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,090 That's incredible. The poor taxi man had to, you know, help out. 531 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,970 Oh, it was amazing though. But the reason I did this was 532 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,010 because, again, going back to the first sartorial point, 533 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,850 I wanted to be able to weaponise 534 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,690 and communicate through the clothing that I was wearing and accessories, 535 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,090 my whole scarf collection, ten pairs of shoes, etc. 536 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,970 That was all deliberate, because you can communicate so much more 537 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,810 through that than through the actions and words I would say, 538 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,890 or at least as much, right? That's why I had the arsenal prepared. 539 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,450 It was to have full flexibility of communication. The arsenal! 540 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,210 Well, let's just take a moment to think, 541 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,850 to think about the outfits we lost. 542 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,450 Yin, would you have liked to have been a Traitor? 543 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,730 Absolutely. I think I referred to it as, um, a Trait-fuL 544 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,650 As in, I want to be a Trait-ful 545 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,050 if given the possibility. 546 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,730 Which basically means a Traitor who has convinced herself so fully 547 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,450 that she's a Faithful, that she's an excellent Traitor. 548 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,490 Because you have to believe the story that you're telling yourself. 549 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,530 I wanted that narrative control. That was it. 550 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,730 But we heard on the grapevine that you had a bit of an alter ego 551 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,730 in the castle, and we've got the receipts to prove it. 552 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,250 Oh. You're all in for a treat here. This is absolutely fantastic. 553 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,570 Let's have a little look. 554 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,970 # Are you Faithful or are you Traitor? 555 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,930 # The signs are subtle 556 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,730 # I'm so unsure... # 557 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,210 # It's raining lies 558 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,330 # Hallelujah! It's raining lies 559 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,570 # Every specimen... # 560 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,690 Long, short, strong and weak. 561 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:10,050 # Rough and tough and full of Traitor speak! # 562 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,770 EMMA: Well done. 563 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,010 Fantastic. 564 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,810 So many questions, Yin. 565 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,050 Are these... Are these songs that you'd pre-planned 566 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,010 before you went in, or were you just riffing? 567 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,850 Both, both. They... So they come to me. 568 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:30,010 I think communication is these clays quite boring and not as playful 569 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,770 and whimsical and joyous as it can be. 570 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,650 Ancl so one way I try to increase what I communicate, 571 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,730 the information and emotion that comes out is through singing, right? 572 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,690 Ancl also obviously the clothing point, discussed previously. 573 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,210 Ancl so the whole point of this was my game play was actually 574 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,690 to bring some of these musical treats into the castle itself. 575 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,450 But they came to me throughout my time in Scotland. 576 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,850 They just... The words just came because they were the only way 577 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,370 to capture how I was feeling in the moment about the experience. 578 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,490 Well, we've got a little task for you if you're up for this. 579 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,170 Do you think you can write lyrics to the Traitors theme tune? 580 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,890 Oh, the... HUMS THEME TUNE 581 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,490 That one. We'll give you a bit of time if you're up for it. 582 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,210 And then you can perform it for us on the BBC Sounds 583 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,290 bonus episode of Traitors Uncloaked. 584 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,930 How do you feel? I'd love to. Yeah? Yeah. 585 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,170 Result. I can't wait for that. 586 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,970 OK. 587 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,010 Now, Yin, you witnessed the first twist of the series. 588 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,170 The train turning around en route to the castle 589 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,930 and three players having to get off. 590 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,130 What was it like in the carriage when Claudia announced that twist 591 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,290 over the tannoy? Uh, paranoia, I think. 592 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,930 Everybody went into fight or flight, aka amygdala or Systems 1 mode. 593 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,570 I had predicted that everybody would be self-preserving 594 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,290 and that we'd have to work out some horrible way of kicking 595 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,530 or literally defenestrating someone, like, out of the window. 596 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,090 That's what I thought. That's what I thought, yeah. 597 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,930 At least one carriage would have done like 598 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,890 a straw-drawing system or like a ballot. Yes, or, just, 599 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,090 everyone gives a three-second speech and whoever's speech is the worst, 600 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,010 like something horrid like that, right? 601 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,410 I was not expecting that every carriage 602 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,530 would have a carefully placed, self-sacrificing, 603 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,450 like, Virgin Mary type figure. 604 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,210 Like, I honestly had no... did not anticipate that. 605 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,410 That was the shock to me. 606 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,370 But it was everybody going into that panic mode, the fight or flight, 607 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,610 I have to preserve myself. 608 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,210 I've only just got on the train after so much, so much time spent 609 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,650 preparing for this experience, 610 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,330 and then to just have to leave the train, just like that. 611 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,210 Yeah. I mean, how would you have felt, Harry? 612 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,210 I said I weren't leaving. There's no way. Yeah, yeah. 613 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,410 I'd be holding on to the doors like that. 614 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,610 They'd be trying to drag me off. Exactly. 615 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,690 Now, of course, the big question is, 616 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,010 did you have any idea that Charlotte was faking her Welsh accent? 617 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,770 No, I believed it. 618 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,050 Hook, line, sinker. 619 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,250 Yeah. Again, like, am I really that smart? 620 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,850 Like, I honestly, I just... I believed it. 621 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,210 Ancl you know why I believed it? I'll tell you why. 622 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,610 She was wearing the most, like, comfortable, cutesy outfits. 623 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,410 Again, it was the clothing. 624 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,210 Well, the first clay she was wearing, like, these overalls 625 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,530 and, like, a pink jumper with flowers. 626 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,170 Crochet flowers on it, I believe. 627 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,330 Ancl then she had the sheep, the second clay in the blue, so... 628 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,370 You're like, "She must be Welsh, she's got a sheep on her jumper." 629 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,770 Yeah. I just, I thought like given her outfit choice as well, 630 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,010 it just fit that whole, that whole, um, theme. 631 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,330 But also I think Elen was convinced. Yeah. 632 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:26,010 So I would outsource my answer to Elen. 633 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,210 Was it difficult to, urn, like be yourself, 634 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,690 like straight after people were picked to be Traitors? 635 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,730 Like, how easy was it for you to just kind of, like, get on and... 636 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,090 Act normal. Yeah, act normal, yeah. Act normal? 637 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,490 I think the entire game, for me, that whole experience, I felt 638 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,370 more authentic than I am outside this context 639 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,330 in real life, which is crazy. 640 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,290 Like to friends and family and colleagues, I have to put on, 641 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,610 project and perform a certain version of Yin. 642 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,730 But, the version of Yin, I guess the Yin-verness version of Yin, 643 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,530 if I can use that pun on my own name, 644 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,770 was what you saw there. 645 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,010 Even that singing, it's more expressive 646 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,970 of how I actually am on the inside. 647 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,330 So to answer your question, there was, there was no... 648 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:09,810 I wasn't putting anything on. 649 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,090 I was just behaving as I was. 650 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,810 There's a world somewhere where you had an absolutely 651 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,210 incredible game of Traitors and romped right to the end 652 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,770 because you're fantastic, Yin, we're going to miss you very much. 653 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,050 A massive round of applause for Yin. What an incredible player. 654 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,930 Oh, thanks, Ed. Thank you. Thank you. Very kind. 655 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,530 Well, sadly, we've run out of time here. 656 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,770 But don't worry, the chat will continue on BBC Sounds. 657 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,970 We're going to put Yin's doctorate to good use 658 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,730 and get even more intel on the players. 659 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,450 And don't forget she'll be performing her version 660 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,810 of the Traitors theme tune. 661 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,770 Plus, we'll be making our predictions on 662 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,010 whether the Traitors or the Faithful 663 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,810 are going to win this series. 664 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,290 It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked 665 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,210 in your BBC Sounds app right now. 666 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,170 And if you think you can make it further than the train journey 667 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,850 to the castle, then maybe you've got what it takes 668 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,250 to make it on the next series of The Traitors. 669 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,730 Yes, series four is happening. 670 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,090 Head to bbc.co.uk/takepart to apply. 671 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,970 We'll be back again after episode two 672 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,370 to unpack all the latest goings-on in the castle. 673 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,090 But if you can't wait another day, 674 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,010 both the second episodes of The Traitors and Uncloaked 675 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,810 are available to watch now on BBC iPlayer. 676 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,490 A massive thanks to Emma, Babatunde, Harry and Yin for joining me 677 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,410 and thanks to you for watching too. 678 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,850 I'm Ed Gamble. 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