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Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, I'm Ed Gamble.

But before we go any further, you know what I'm going to say -

spoiler alert. If you're not caught up on all the episodes

of The Traitors, get to iPlayer, watch them all now.

Coming up - novelist, broadcaster

and host of the How To Fail podcast, Elizabeth Day.

Comedian Ivo Graham.

Faithful Alex, from series one.

And, following his banishment, last in, first out Traitor Ross

finally reunites with his mother and series icon Diane.

This programme contains some strong language

Elizabeth, Alex, Ivo, another absolute barnstormer of a show.

So exciting. Shaking. Shaking.

Physically shaking. YOU were shaking?

My heart was out my chest!

Ivo, how did you feel about that episode?

I know you're a Traitors superfan.

Yes, I am, Ed, we've played The Traitors together. Yes.

But it's never unravelled quite as well.

I would say there were moments in that episode that were

as exciting for me as when you cancelled your taxi

on New Year's Eve so you could stay and keep killing.

What a night, what a night that was!

Well, we know what happens on Uncloaked,

when we catch a Traitor, we play the siren.

SIREN

There it is. He only lasted one episode, poor old Ross,

but we've got plenty to talk about today.

We've got to talk about Harry's growing confidence. Yeah.

Some might say cockiness. Some might say cockiness. I'm worried for him.

I can't wait to dig into that later.

We should talk first where we left the episode, which is

Andrew and Harry deciding who to murder.

So, let's remind ourselves of that decision.

We need to obviously make a decision -

Jaz,

Mollie,

or Zack.

Do you want to do it?

I'm happy, 100%.

This is the right move.

I feel good about this one.

Oh, he is loving that, isn't he? Well, they're usually confident.

A little too much. It's rare that you go,

"I think this might be a mistake but we've written it down now."

So, they're deciding between Zack, Jaz and Mollie,

who do we think is the smartest move?

Probably Jaz.

I think Mollie would be the silliest move

because she's protecting Harry like crazy.

And for Wilf, for example, in series one, that was Hannah.

Hannah protected Wilf like crazy, so it's best to keep her

in for as long as possible.

So, I think Jaz is definitely the smartest decision there.

Also, Jaz seems to be the only one who has suspicions

about Harry at the moment.

Hmm. But he's kept them quiet, hasn't he?

I think, Jaz, they could switch it so that focus turns on Jaz.

Because he's clearly a very smart, strategic player,

and I would not find it hard to believe that he were a Traitor.

Partly because, what I find most suspicious about Jaz,

is how clean he keeps his white clothes.

They're in the middle of muddy Scotland and he looks

so freshly pressed every single time I see him.

And I just think that could be...

You could do an interesting pivot on that.

So, would you be suspecting that, in the Traitors' Turret,

they have access to a dry cleaner's? Well, this is the question.

I mean, probably, because they get

access to all the privileges, don't they?

We should talk about Harry because, like I say,

growing confidence - you, Elizabeth, say cockiness -

do we think he's going the way of Paul, potentially?

Because Paul, obviously, an amazing Traitor for a bit, then started

to get a bit of a swagger and maybe got away from himself.

Paul was swaggering before he'd even...

Like, episode one, before he was made a Traitor,

I think he threatened to kill Claudia Winkleman.

Which is quite a first for the show.

He did describe himself as cruel, which was a bit of a red flag.

"Cruel" and "Traitor"

were two of the words he used to describe himself.

Do we think he's maybe heading in the same direction, though?

Because he's very much the hero, a lot, at the moment.

So, the hero of Round Tables, the hero of missions,

people are really bigging him up.

I've really loved Harry from the beginning,

especially that bit where he talks about Jonny and losing Jonny

and voting for Jonny around the Round Table,

and that bond that they had as members of the Army.

But still, you could see, again, the human emotion behind it.

He's got you right where he wants you, Elizabeth! Come on!

I know! I'm turned!

Can I ask a question?

So, that whole exchange between Andrew and Ross

where the word "elusive" was used...? Yes.

Well, I'm glad you bring that up because we've actually got a clip

to remind ourselves of that. OK, thank you.

Ross, the only thing that weirded me out was that you said to me

in the kitchen that Andrew told you today that

I was moving hella elusive and that.

Elusive? When have you ever heard me say the word elusive?

I literally heard it an hour ago.

Someone's clearly lying there, but what's going on? That's what I mean.

Elusive? I would never use the word elusive, ever.

When have you ever heard me speak, saying the word elusive?

There's many words I haven't heard you speak,

Andrew, but why would I say it? I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

Why would I say it? I don't know. To stir shit.

It's hard, lying, to be honest.

Barefaced, blatant lying,

especially when you know the

other person's telling the truth.

But I'm playing the game.

I loved it so much. So good.

Also because this, to me,

represents Andrew really coming into his own as a Traitor, as well.

I was blown away. Because day one of him being a Traitor, I think

we were all a little bit worried when he walked

into that breakfast, he looked blown away by the whole situation.

But now, I think he's nailing it.

To be able to just go, "When have you heard me use that word?"

Genius. Genius.

I would be slightly upset if that was me, though, going,

"I would never use a word like elusive."

And everyone goes, "Yeah, you wouldn't, actually."

"All I've heard you say is protein."

He lied so well that I was convinced that maybe he didn't

even say the word elusive, even though I'd heard him say it! Yeah!

Do we think this is going to come back and bite Andrew, though?

Do you think he's setting himself up for a bit of a fall here or

do you think he's done well? I think Harry might turn on him.

That's Harry's plan, isn't it? He literally says, "I'm going

"to throw these Traitors out in front of me."

That's why he wanted to recruit Ross,

that plan worked out well for him.

And he's just kind of bringing Andrew along,

making Andrew nice and safe, "Come under my wing, I'll look after you,

"don't worry, we're Traitors, we'll win it together."

But really, all he wants to do is kick him out onto the Round Table

and get him banished.

Do we think Andrew believes that Harry has got his back, though?

Not any more, as in, I don't believe it any more.

Until this final episode, I thought

that Harry had all of the cards in his hand but actually now,

I understand that I've underestimated Andrew.

And more fool me. Yes.

Let's talk about Harry's plan,

because we've not really got into the weeds with that yet.

The plan, obviously, to get the shield, to then recruit

and then pretend that, clearly, they tried to murder him

but he had the shield so they couldn't. It seems to have worked.

And it seems to have worked with everyone except Jaz, really.

And it feels like it's going to have massive implications for

the rest of the game, this.

It was so clever. Yeah.

And to be able to think at that level when you are squatting in

a rancid tunnel with flashing lights and rotten vegetables and toads.

Yeah. To be able to game play then is just extraordinary.

It was amazing. And I do think it will work for him,

he has plotted it out.

And I wonder if part of that is that military training,

that you are taught so much about how to think several steps ahead,

because I think it's going to work. Yeah.

It does amaze me that Jaz is the only one who's clocked on

to the idea that, just because Harry had the shield,

doesn't mean that he couldn't be the Traitor.

I think it's actually a little disheartening that

the other Faithfuls haven't considered that yet.

They're taking too many things for granted now.

So, they're basing everything on the fact that Harry's

got the shield and they tried to kill him.

They've got to go back to the root of it and go,

what if that's not true? Mmm.

We do feel sorry for Ross, though, don't we? So sorry for Ross.

He didn't get his cash money.

He didn't get his cash money,

he didn't get the chance to avenge his mother's death. No!

That was such a big plan, he was like,

"I'm going to avenge her death."

No, no, you're not, mate. Not so much.

You think you're Batman, you're actually Bananaman.

It was very sad to see him go.

So, obviously, we'll ask Ross this a little bit later on,

but do we think he had any chance of surviving after he was recruited?

Yes, I think he could have done.

I think he became a little bit too Traitorous too soon,

trying to play games against his two fellow Traitors,

who were the veterans in the game at this point. Yeah.

I think if he'd laid low for that episode, just let it sink in...

Like Andrew did, really. Yeah, exactly.

Just took his time a little bit. Then he could have...

Because he was already under suspicion anyway.

I think he was just trying his best to throw off the suspicion

onto someone else.

It's the work experience getting too big for his boots.

We should talk about the mission, we've mentioned it

a couple of times, but let's get properly stuck into it.

It was a difficult one, I thought.

I think there were some tricky questions in there.

This series had been lacking

in puzzles up until this point, I thought.

And Zack made what I would call a classic Zack blunder,

so let's just remind ourselves of that.

Whoa! Fucking hell! Oh, my God.

The net just went whoosh,

just took him up in the air.

It was like a scene out of Predator,

it was absolutely mental.

The money!

It's in here!

Can you chuck it out?

There's no hole. There's no hole at all.

Oh, my God.

LAUGHTER

I just loved the way, even the first moment he got caught,

he's still in there and he's sort of talking as if he's got it right

and something's gone wrong.

The only person in this game who would try and maintain

intellectual high ground while they're stuck in a big net.

He's been very confident, Zack. Yeah.

It's going to be interesting to see if he survives this murder.

I will say, in fairness to Zack, at least he's actually trying.

A lot of them are just sitting back

and letting everyone else do the work. Yeah.

Which is the smart thing to do, I have to say. So, it's difficult.

I empathise with the guy. I feel for him.

You're right, he voices his opinions,

he makes sure they're out there. He does.

Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong,

but when they're wrong, it certainly doesn't stop him voicing them.

Well put. His confidence is never knocked by a mistake. Yep.

Is there anyone else that we think is playing

a good game at the moment?

I think Evie's going to win the series.

Even in our discussions, she's just glided through.

We got a bit back story from her about the adaptability of vets,

I loved that. Yes!

I've been waiting for the vet thing to come back in

ever since the two-vet revelation of episode one.

I found that riveting, the way that she has to code switch,

essentially, between putting down a beloved puppy and then being

excited when an eight-year-old brings in their hamster or whatever.

And you're so right, she's completely flown under the radar.

Because wasn't she in the same category as Jasmine and Ross,

of people it could be because she didn't know about the shield. Yes.

The only downside to playing it like Evie's playing it is that you

could just get murdered at night.

That's the tricky thing with being a Faithful.

I think the way she's playing it is the best way,

it increases your chances the most to win,

but because people might think, the Traitors will think, she's not going

to get banished any time soon, so we're going to have to murder her.

She's playing a great game and is very calm, as well, crucially.

If anyone does accuse her or chats to her,

she seems to be quite collected. So's Mollie.

Mollie and her are gliding both under the radar.

I don't think Mollie's name's been brought up at all. No.

So, Ross will be with us in just a minute,

so I think it's time to revisit his revelation at the Round Table.

Well, guys, there is not a lot of us now.

It's a bit mad, we've all got far in this game

and each and every one of you, I had a real, real connection with.

And, look, I'll just leave you with one little Easter egg before I go.

I was actually the son of someone in this game.

And that person was Diane.

No fucking way!

Oh, my God!

And he's here with us now,

the only Traitor to not pass his probation period, it's Ross!

CHEERING

Ross, welcome. Yeah! Boss Ross!

Thanks so much for coming on Uncloaked, Ross.

Absolute pleasure, absolute pleasure. And what an entry, right?

Yeah, what an entry. Mental.

Did it feel good to get that off your chest?

Was that something you were looking forward to doing?

Yeah, massively, massively.

At the same time, it was surprisingly easy to call her Diane.

Really easy. A lot of people have been talking about that,

how are you not just accidentally saying Mum? I don't know!

I genuinely thought that was going to be the thing that tripped me up

but as it got into the game... As someone who said it to

pretty much every teacher at some point at school... Yes, yeah!

You know, it's one of those things, sometimes I call her Diane at home,

when I'm trying to be a bit cheeky.

You know what she gets like,

she is like a teacher and she's like a teacher at home.

There are lots of redeeming qualities, as well, obviously,

she's not just all glares and stares and trying to point the finger

at people. She is nice, as well.

But it was genuinely, surprisingly easy.

I thought maybe during some of the challenges and stuff, that might

be the moment where I just go into autopilot and shout, "Mum!"

Whatever, "Mum, watch out for the light."

But, no, Diane just was dead easy coming to me.

I don't know what that says.

Was there any moment that you two had planned to come out as a tactic?

Or were you always going to keep it a secret?

We were always going to keep it a secret.

Obviously, we watched season one with you and Tom, we saw that...

You're saying that didn't convince you to come out?

No, surprisingly not, no!

It was one of those things. I think, especially at the start,

everyone is looking for any excuse to get you out.

In fact, that is the case the whole way through, so if they're like,

"Oh, if they can keep that secret, what else can they keep secret?"

So, we were always just like...

Unless somebody saw the resemblance,

but Paul obviously just did a blinder, covering that up

and I wasn't going to stop that rumour from circulating.

I do need to ask, have you guys been referred to

as Diana Ross ever before in your lives?

Never. Genuinely never. Amazing!

I swear, I don't know how people haven't made that connection.

That is the best thing I've ever heard.

Well, you know about your code name on set, right?

OK. Apparently, the crew and production on set at The Traitors,

in the actual castle were calling you and Diane and The Supremes.

GASP

That's amazing.

That's way better than what I thought you were going to say.

So, I'm glad it's just The Supremes.

LAUGHTER

That's fantastic, you know?

Yeah, it's... I don't... It's the funniest thing ever.

Like, the memes have been the funniest thing ever.

It's been what's given me life after the show.

I've had "But Ross is" put on a T-shirt.

LAUGHTER

You've got to commit to these things. I actually trademarked that.

So, you're going to have a legal battle, I think.

I mean, we should say Ivo's wearing a T-shirt, for the Sounds listeners,

he's wearing a T-shirt with a picture of Diane's face

and "But Ross is" is written on it.

Ivo had that made.

He did not know Diane was going to be on this episode.

He did not know you were going to be on this episode.

So I'd imagine he's hugely embarrassed right now.

No, I love it. I love it. Can I get a copy?

Can I get a shirt? I had a T-shirt for every contestant.

My Evie, you know, "You've got to be skilled to be a vet"

T-shirt, that's in the bag.

Well, I have to say, that brings me on nicely,

I've got a little present, which, Ivo, think I'm actually

going to give to you, mate, because... Oh!

I've got a mug.

"I'm not a mug, but Ross is." Oh, my gosh.

Wow. It's an absolute merch-off!

Ivo, there's something about someone holding

and wearing two pieces of home-made merch

that makes you look like an absolute saddo.

You're a superfan, mate.

And Mum might come on later and she'll invite you to a roast dinner.

So, like, you know... I've heard they're rubbish.

Now, Ross, you were obviously welcomed very late on

into The Traitors' fold.

So let's remind ourselves of that.

There's something about that cloak which has already given me

a little bit of power.

Traitor Ross is in full force.

Golden boy Harry murdered my mum.

I'm livid.

So, look, Harry, mate, I'm coming for you, man.

Oh, wow. I mean, we would have liked to have seen

the revenge plan play out, I think.

I was really looking forward to The Traitors just turning into,

like, a samurai film. I thought you were going to go

all guns blazing and really take out Harry.

When you had this big revenge plan to take out Harry,

maybe take out Andrew, was there actually a plan in there

or did you just know you wanted to get some revenge?

No, the plan was to...

..just cause chaos within the ranks, right?

So, turn those two against each other, have Andrew on my side,

and then also just try and get Harry's name out there

in whatever way I could, because at that point, he was just so solid.

Like, he's got such a sweet face on him, doesn't he?

He's Baby Harry. Like... You've got a sweet face, too, though.

Don't do yourself down. No? Yeah? OK.

I mean, I feel like every time the camera turned to me, I'm like this.

I'm Diane's son, you know what I mean?

Like, I'm just sussing people out, always.

You know, so there was, like...

There was a plan, but I had, what, 12 hours to sort the plan out?

So I was trying to pit them against each other.

And because obviously Andrew was going, "Oh, you know,"

I didn't realise Andrew was so cottoned on to the fact

that Harry was probably going to murder him at some point.

He didn't seem the type.

Andrew is such a lovable, big, friendly giant, you know?

That's just the kind of way he is.

Andrew was cottoned on from the moment he was recruited.

He went in there and when, I think it was Paul was still there,

and Paul said, "Oh, you know, you're a Traitor now,

"you've just got to trust us."

And Andrew went, "Trust you?!"

Like, he was immediately, immediately didn't buy it.

It was incredible. So, yeah... See, I didn't see all that.

So, you know, like in my head I was like,

"I'm really going to have to sway Andrew

"because I think he's going to be such in Harry's pocket."

So that was the game plan, really.

But, obviously, then Harry went straight to Andrew,

they chatted, Andrew started lying.

Can we talk about Elusivegate quickly, please?

Because obviously I think... Scandal of our times. Fuming!

Andrew knows what it means, but also similarly

doesn't know the word and never uses it. But was that...

I mean, that must have been a hugely frustrating moment.

I felt that frustration for you at the Round Table,

because you were sat there being gaslit at the Round Table.

Andrew gaslit me. Yeah. He did, yeah.

No, you know, I think, at that point, genuinely, I knew I was out.

It came from breakfast, where I hadn't even had a sip of coffee

and Zack was just like, br-br-br-br-br - "Yeah, it's you."

Do you know what I mean?

And, you know, he had... His theory was good. Wrong.

It was wrong.

Can I just say on that, I think that upset me

because the breakfast table, that should be sacred.

I agree. Right?

"Don't accuse me of being a Traitor until I've had my egg." Yeah.

Eat your croissants in peace. You know, like, I didn't get that.

"This is not the Round Table, it's the breakfast table."

So, Zack was so articulate and so focused in his theories.

And whenever... And, like, they made sense. Some of them didn't.

Obviously, it was the wrong theory.

And it just so happened that the night before,

I got made a Traitor, so...

So, it made it a lot kind of more difficult to react

in a more genuine way of being like, "Look, I'm not, I'm a Faithful."

Like "What you're saying is not right."

I kind of, off the back of that, used just the excuse of, like,

knowing that his theory was wrong, right?

You know, it was the fact that I was upstairs

and I didn't see who had a shield.

And, obviously, that was all done very tactically.

And it was a good theory.

But, you know, as soon as that happened, you just feel

the energy in the castle kind of get turned against you.

So, you sensed that it might have been your last day?

Yeah, I knew it was my last day. I knew it was.

Ross, it was great watching you. You were fantastic in the castle.

Thank you so much for coming on Uncloaked.

But we're not done with you yet

because we have another special guest on this episode.

But before we bring her in, let's watch the moment that Zack

gets called out for his mother-and-son theory.

So, Zack, hold on.

I've been hearing some rumours.

Oh, yeah? Go on? You think that my son's in this game?

I just think you and Paul look a little bit alike.

I think you've got the same eyes. The two gingers.

I dye my hair red.

I think Paul looks quite Irish, too. He does, actually, yeah.

Diane, are you hiding something?

LAUGHTER

And she's here with us now, back on Uncloaked, it's Diane!

WHOOPING AND APPLAUSE

Welcome back, Diane. Thank you.

That was that was a wonderful moment.

I love that moment, especially as you were totally across what Zack

had said, that he thought Paul was your son, but obviously

you hadn't heard, Ross? First time. First time.

So, you were you were completely behind and you were like,

"Oh, no, the game's up. We've been rumbled."

Yeah. Well, yeah, to a degree. It was more just shock.

But also, Mum gets a little twinkle in her eye

so you know when she's just having a joke.

So I just had to very quickly cotton on to the fact that,

you know, it was Paul and not me. But, yeah, very much.

You can see the surprise in my face. I'm just like...

But equally, though, I deliberately

did it when he was in the room because I found out that if you tell

a story and Ross isn't in the room, then it could backfire on me

because he might tell the same story

and then, "How does Ross have the same story as Diane?

"That's very weird." Of course.

So, it was also deliberately done because it was quite...

I mean, it's quite stressful talking about something

and you're not in the room, and then I had to make sure

that I repeated the story.

So I didn't do that deliberately to catch you out.

And you've also got to try and land the line, as well.

Because you are under stress and if you're trying to make a bit

of a joke or whatever, you know, just like the roast dinner line,

I could have delivered it so much better. But there's a lot of stress

when you're delivering something like that.

So, you know, it doesn't quite come out like you want it

and you're trying to have a joke.

But I love those little moments because, personally,

if I was in that situation, I'd be so worried about it coming out

that I wouldn't be brave enough

to start throwing around jokes in there.

No, but we weren't until Paul was brought up as my son.

And then I thought, "This is fabulous."

Because then somebody might have said, Ross,

and I'd have gone, "Yeah, yeah, he's my son."

"Ash is my sister. Kyra's my brother."

You know, "I'll just take you all on." So, that would have been OK.

As soon as the Paul thing happened, I relaxed.

I thought it was such a good decision, though,

and you guys had so much fun with it. I do, particularly.

It's one of my favourite moments of the series.

It's after you had gone, Diane... Thanks. ..and Ross was...

Thank God you went because, frankly,

I've been enjoying it so much more since.

It was Ross in the car.

Now we've already showed this clip, but you're going to love this.

Let's have another look.

Diane would be looking down on us now.

IRISH ACCENT: "Go get that Traitors guy."

LAUGHTER

"Go get the Traitors now."

IRISH ACCENT: "Absolutely!"

I love her! She was like my mum. No, no, she WAS my mum.

She was my mum first. My mum first! No, stop it.

My mum.

Oh, the fourth wall.

Amazing. Outstanding. So good.

What I want to know, is that the only time you did that

or is that the only one they show?

Were you just winking at every camera?

That's the only one they showed.

But, you know, even that wink, I'm looking at it, going,

"Oh, I could have delivered that better."

But it's a lot of pressure. There's just a lot of pressure

when you're trying to do all those little sneaky things.

No, it was fantastic. It was a real highlight.

Now, we do want to talk about the funeral. I think particularly

Elizabeth is desperate to talk about the funeral. Yes!

I do have questions about the funeral written down here,

but I'm just going to hand over to Elizabeth

because she's absolutely gagging to talk about the funeral.

I found it so profoundly moving.

I didn't understand what was wrong.

Like, I was welling up.

That moment when you went across, and you saw your beloved mum

in a coffin, and you whispered "Bye" to him,

I found I was genuinely about to cry.

What is that experience like for both of you?

I was ready to text my siblings being, like,

"It's finally happened, guys. It's happened."

No more roasts! Yes, the day has come.

And then, when she appeared, when I left, I was going, "Oh, fuck."

You know when you went, "Yes!",

when Sonja revealed she was a Faithful?

I wanted you to do that when the coffin lid shut.

"Yes! Party time!"

In all seriousness, it was a mixture of emotions cos, you know,

at the end of the day, you are seeing your mum

getting put in a coffin.

You shouldn't have winked. I think that was a mistake.

Yeah, it was an odd choice.

And hindsight's a wonderful thing, isn't it?

But, you know, it was a mixture of, one, because obviously,

as well, it's still a secret, right, at this point?

So, you kind of have... But it is emotional.

But then, at the same time, you can't show too much emotion

because then, the other contestants are going to be, like,

"Why is Ross crying?"

Like, "I didn't know him and Diane were so close."

And also, when I was in the coffin, I knew.

So, I was waiting for him to look over and I wanted to say,

"Love you,"

but I didn't want to move my...

Aww! I know this does sound mental... No, it doesn't.

..move my mouth twice, there would have been two words.

So, "Love, you." Whereas, "Bye."

I could do that and I wouldn't be noticed because

I'm still, like, "Oh, my God," you know?

And then you thought I'd said, "Miles" anyway.

So he didn't even think I'd said "Bye". "Miles", her dying words!

Yeah, yeah. I was like, "Miles?" Like, "Is that your actual son?"

Yeah, exactly.

So, you know, and when I went away, I had all these weird theories

about who had actually done it because I still wasn't sure

it was Miles. And then, I thought, "Shit, I've left him there

"with some Traitors. I could have warned him."

Then I got cross about that because it is mental, this game.

Now, Diane, you're something of a fan favourite.

Very, very popular online.

But did you know you're actually sat in the room with one of your biggest

fans apart from your own son?

If you just want to turn around, because Ivo's had something made.

He didn't know you were going to be on this episode, but, Ivo,

would you like to reveal to Diane?

I've been wearing it since day one. "But Ross is."

Oh, my God, could you not have got a nicer photograph?

If you don't like this photograph, you're not going to enjoy the rest

of your life, because this is you forever.

We've talked about the Sunday roast thing a little bit,

but you've been having quite a lot of fun with that online, Diane.

So, let's just have a look at this picture that you posted.

Wonderful.

That's going to be on my T-shirt.

Yeah, that's a better picture of me, that's OK. Yeah.

This looks like a restaurant. Is this your house?

That's my house, in the middle of building work. Very lovely.

I do need to know, though, Ross, what is it

that makes Diane's roasts so poor?

Wow, you really went there, Alex?

I'm curious.

You know he's talking shit, don't you? They're excellent!

I'm absolutely not. No, listen.

The roast potatoes, ten out of ten. Yeah, they look good.

They are good. They're the hardest part to get right.

Her roast potatoes are good because she just deep-fat fries them

and it's just be done with it, deep-fat fried.

So, they they're chips? They're just big chunky chips.

They're parboiled first, come on!

But, you know like there's certain people, you know,

who like their steak medium-rare, medium, whatever?

Mum loves hers well done.

So, like, that kind of tells you all you need to know.

Good with chicken, though. The turkey's dry, the chicken.

The roast beef's excellent though.

Yeah, the roast beef's good. She cremates it, you know?

We are going to continue the chat over on BBC Sounds now, of course,

where we'll be playing a little game with Diane and Ross to see how well

they really know each other.

It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked,

available on BBC Sounds right now.

A massive thanks to Elizabeth, Alex, Diane, Ivo and Ross.

Thank you so much for joining me tonight

and thank you very much for watching.

Don't forget, if you want to play along at home, you can submit

your own predictions via The Traitors Prediction Game.

Just go to bbc.co.uk/traitors and give it a go.

The Traitors: Uncloaked will be back tomorrow.

We are nearing the end of an absolutely incredible series

and I, for one, cannot wait to see what happens.

I've been Ed Gamble, stay Faithful!