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Hello and welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
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But you know the drill. It's spoiler-warning time.
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If you have not watched the brilliant episode nine
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of The Traitors, go away and do that first, because there will be
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huge spoilers and they are coming up right about now.
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Coming up, we have the exclusive moment that Charlie and Charlotte
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met to find out the identity of the Traitors.
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They'll be joining us later to talk all about their time
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playing the game.
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Plus, to dissect the latest episode,
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I'll be joined by Jordan North and Thanyia Moore!
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Welcome. Welcome from us.
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That was a great intro. Thank you very much.
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Thank you, I'm nailing this now.
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You really are, I was so impressed.
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Thank you. What did we think of this episode?
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I mean, things are hotting up.
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This is spicy stuff happening now, guys.
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Having me out of my seat.
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Yeah. We watched the episode together, and we were both literally
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out of our seat, weren't we?
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I was literally up and down. In a good way, you weren't leaving?
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She was slapping the table, then she walked up to the screen -
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I've never seen anyone actually walk up to the telly -
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and was that close.
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Well, I wanted to ask you, Jordan - you were obviously
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in the I'm A Celeb castle. Yes. When it was in the castle.
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How does the Traitors Castle compare to the I'm A Celeb Castle?
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You're going to wish you never asked now, I'll never shut up.
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I was saying to Thanyia during it, as well, during the task
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when they were in the tunnel and stuff,
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I was like, "Oh, I've done that. I've done that. That's easy.
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"I had snakes on me. What's a couple of toads?"
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But that castle actually looks beautiful compared to the one
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we were in. Ours were freezing.
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But that castle looks great.
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We've got loads to talk about today - including, of course, we'll get
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into detail on Ross being recruited and wanting to find out
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who put his mum six feet under.
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Oh! And the heat is finally building on Harry.
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But first, let's remind ourselves of the moment that the latest player,
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Charlotte, was banished.
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I've never felt so validated after meeting such wonderful people.
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I love all of you - you included.
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But, yeah, it seems like I've been a bit of a collateral damage to Paul,
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by the looks of it.
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I'm a Faithful.
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After two successful Traitor banishments in a row,
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they're now back on a losing streak. Yeah.
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It feels like they're clutching at straws again a little bit. Mm-hm.
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What I really like about this is when a Faithful is banished,
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they have such a different energy when they go up to announce it.
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Yeah. So Charlotte announced it,
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she's clearly gutted to have been banished and just sort of, you know,
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shuffles out the room with her head hanging.
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When we've seen Traitors being banished...
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Miles literally like, "Bye!" Honestly skipped.
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And Paul with the bow. What an exit!
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Paul really thought he was Richard Gere in that moment.
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He was like, "I am an actor and I'm going to get an agent right now."
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Like, it was insane. You're just good at lying, Paul. Relax.
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Yeah. Are we sad to see Charlotte go?
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I mean, I know I am, personally.
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Yeah, I think she was a really good Faithful.
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Yes. And I said a couple of weeks ago
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when I was watching the episodes -
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I was like, I could imagine Charlotte getting to the final...
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Mm! ..because the Faithfuls trusted her, but she was quiet enough
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that the Traitors didn't really have her card marked, if you will.
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She seemed to do enough to get a little bit of suspicion,
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which meant the Traitors would never murder her, like you say.
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But I just think she was doing so well in the game,
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it seems gutting that she's been voted out.
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She didn't come across as traitorous to me.
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No, but then, also, at this point now, there's so little numbers
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she's beginning to come into view... Mm-hm.
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..because there's no-one else to hide her. Yeah.
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So now there's so few of them,
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I feel like they're being very strategic about where
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they're placing people and how they're moving.
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Yeah. And I think she's just come into view. Yeah.
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And then when you come into view and you've got an opinion - oh!
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It's a spotlight right there.
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That's like saying, "Vote me out, please." It's hard.
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Yeah, but then if you don't say anything... It's even harder.
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You can't win. It's such a fine balancing act, isn't it? Yeah.
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And I wasn't expecting her to go this episode. No!
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I could have sworn it would have been Ross.
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Yeah, because... I really thought it would have been Ross.
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..she wasn't a part of most of the major conversations
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when they were in their huddles.
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So it's so amazing how you can walk into the round table thinking,
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"OK, it's one of these two," and by the end it's completely gone left.
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Yeah. And now Charlotte's about to come in and be a guest.
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I know, I know.
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And we're all looking forward to meeting Charlotte... Yes.
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..but not in these circumstances. The only thing I could think
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was she threw herself into the mission and was crawling through
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the rotting food with no problem.
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Maybe she was banished because she just stunk.
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Yeah, that's a fair point. It must have been it.
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They got back from the mission. She was like, "Have I got time for a shower?
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They went, "No, you're straight into the round table."
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She's like, "Oh, God, I stink of old onions!"
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Get her out, get her out! Get rid of her.
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You mentioned Ross there. We thought Ross might have been banished,
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but the opposite has happened to Ross -
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Ross has now been recruited at the end of the episode.
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What do we think about that choice of Ross?
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I'm going to be honest, I'm really happy,
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because before he was recruited, I was so irritated by him.
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He was getting it all wrong. All of his predictions were wrong.
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He was gung-ho for everything that was wrong.
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He even told his mum she was wrong
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when she was absolutely spot-on about Paul.
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And now I love him because he's like, "Oh...
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"..payback." And I'm like, OK. OK, Ross. Now I'm in.
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I love the fact that there was a secret mother and son in there.
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I think it's fantastic. But part of me was thinking,
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how is this going to pay off? If they never tell anyone,
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how is it going to pay off? Then we got Ross'.. wink.
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Oh, that was genius.
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That was so sweet. ..on the previous episode.
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Oh, that was just... That was enough for me.
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Perfect. That had me up. Yeah, that was up, yeah, yeah.
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You're right up going, "Wink again!" "WHAT?!"
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As far as television winks go, that is up there with best winks.
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It's up there with Anne Robinson. Yes. Trying to think who else.
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Let's have television winks awards.
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Top winkers. Yeah! Oh, God!
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Well, we can do television's top winkers. That's a different podcast!
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Top winkers - there's a few.
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But now - now that he's been recruited, it seems to have turned
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into this samurai revenge film...
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Yeah. ..where he's just got his sights set on the people
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who killed his mum. And it's just given the show a whole new element.
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It's brilliant. I love it.
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I'd be very happy if Harry's plan comes to fruition,
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but I would be delighted if Ross' revenge plan comes to fruition.
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So let's remind ourselves of when he revealed the new plan.
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So I want to know, like, your reasoning behind different murders
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and stuff, because, to be honest,
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I thought I was going to get murdered, 100%.
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Who do you want to know? Er...
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"Er..." I know!
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What about Diane?
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I still can't let on that Diane's my mum,
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but I want an answer.
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Diane, well, she was
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just getting too brave and stuff.
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She was getting too brave
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so we put her in her place.
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Look it, look it, look it!
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SHE SQUEALS
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I could feel myself going to boiling point.
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My mum was murdered... YES! ..so I will take revenge.
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If I've got an opportunity,
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they're getting it.
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Yes, they are! They're getting it.
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It's so good. He means business.
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He's so juicy. Oh! It's just Kill Bill now, it's fantastic.
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I love it. Yeah. Oh!
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When Harry said "we had to show Diane a lesson" - ooh!
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Oh, my God, rewind it. Yes!
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His reaction to that. Oh, my God.
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I'm going to rewind it and just have it on loop. It was wonderful.
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So, obviously, Ross being recruited -
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or the Traitors recruiting in general -
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is all part of this master plan from Harry,
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which, when it emerged that that's what he was doing,
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I got up. Off your seat.
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I was off my seat.
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I was so excited. Babes.
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To be... To think that far ahead,
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to get the shield from the mission, pocket it.
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Ideally would have done it with no-one seeing him,
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but Mollie saw him. But of all the people to see him,
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he knows he can trust Mollie. Yeah. And then to keep it,
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and then the next day they've recruited.
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Everyone turns up at breakfast, Harry can go,
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"Well, they must have tried to kill me. I've got a shield."
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So everyone's like, well, Harry's definitely Faithful, then.
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There's no way he's a Traitor. Yeah.
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I just think, he is a mastermind, isn't he?
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I think he's going to...
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That's either going to be the best part of the show
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or the part where he falls down.
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Yeah. Because it could go two ways.
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Which... Which way do you...?
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Because there's no reason why a Traitor can't have the shield.
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True. So someone might see that as a...that's a ploy.
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So that's a ploy, yeah. Yeah. The same way they saw
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that the two Traitors in the dungeon was a ploy.
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So you think people might see through the plan?
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They might, or...
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..Ross will let people start thinking that,
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because that's what he wants. Yeah. Yeah.
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I think he's played a great game.
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And when he took the shield, I was like, why?
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At first I was like, why is he not telling anyone?
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Because that's going to bring people under suspicion.
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But then when he explained it... Yeah.
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..I was like, ah, this guy's an actual genius.
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Mollie saw him get it, saw him not say anything.
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Like, when is she going to start putting together
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why he's behaving differently to everybody else?
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Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
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I think it's... It's like you say - we're getting to a later part
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of the game where people have become closer and they've become friends
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and people have formed bonds in there.
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And the bond between Mollie and Harry, it was sort of...
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We've talked about it a little bit before on the show, but it seems
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to be way stronger than even we thought - in this episode,
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they are clearly very good friends.
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Yeah. He's doing things that are huge red flags
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and she is just ignoring them, going,
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"Well, Harry got the shield, but he told me not to say anything.
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"I think it's really clever, so, you know, why would he keep it secret?"
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She was like, "I trust him." And that's when I was...
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Because there's so much stuff that's happening.
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"I didn't want to leave without saying goodbye. I trust him."
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Guys, you met 12 days ago. Behave yourself.
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She actually said this as we were watching it. Get it together.
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And even the way Harry went after Paul at the table,
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the next morning, Mollie was going,
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"Oh, you're amazing, you really went after him,
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"you knew so much." Like, "But I'm not suspicious of you in any way."
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At all!
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I think Jaz is onto Harry... He is.
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..because of the Paul discussion,
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where Jaz said to Harry, "If I go tonight - if I die tonight -
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"Paul's a traitor." Yeah.
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And Harry went straight to Paul and told him, and Paul went back to Jaz
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and said that. So Jaz has got this little connection in his head... Jaz is great.
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..between Harry and Paul that no-one's listening to at the moment.
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No. But no-one listens to Jaz. No-one listens to him, it's great.
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It happened again. He did this with Paul for three episodes where he was
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like, "I think it might be Paul." Everyone went, "Shut up, Jaz."
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Paul WAS a Traitor. Then now he's going,
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"I think Harry might be a Traitor." Everyone's going, "Shut up, Jaz."
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Yeah! It's like... You're totally right, Ed. You're totally right.
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You know in apocalypse films where there's one scientist being like,
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"This is the end of the world!" Yeah!
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And everyone's like, "No, it's not!"
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Jaz is that guy. Jaz is that guy, but very rarely does the same
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scientist have the same thing in the sequel.
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Yes.
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I actually think this moment where we find out Jaz is possibly
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onto Harry might be worth reminding ourselves of,
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so let's have a look.
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Do you remember when I voted for Paul and he said,
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"Right, Jaz, we need that chat."
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So me and Paul sat over there.
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He goes, "Harry has come up to me
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"and told me that if you're murdered, Jaz,
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"then I'm the Traitor."
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And I'm thinking to myself, I did say that.
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I told three people this -
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them three people were Jasmine, Ross and Harry.
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I told them all, "If I'm not here tomorrow, it's Paul."
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Jasmine kept the loyalty.
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Ross kept the loyalty, didn't tell anyone.
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Now that we found out that Paul is a Traitor, that conversation
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ought to have happened at a Traitors meeting.
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Oh, he's wonderful. Wonderful!
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I really love how paranoid he is, as well,
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just, like, constantly looking.
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But that is - that is hard evidence.
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People are always talking about hard evidence in this game,
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going, "I've got hard evidence for this -
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"we need to vote for this person." It very rarely comes up.
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That is hard evidence and everyone's ignoring him.
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He's been like Poirot in there and people are just going,
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"Shut up, Hercule." Honestly! Honestly.
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He's really interesting, Jaz.
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I mean, I think he's trying to do the same thing with Harry
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that he did with Paul, where he knew earlier than everyone else,
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and he's biding his time.
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Do we think that's a good technique or tactic at this point in the show?
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Because we're getting much later on. Is there time to bide time?
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I don't think there is. I feel like it's decision time,
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but also...it's so hard.
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You could blink in a slower pace.
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Everything is suspicious.
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Yeah. So no matter what you do, if he changes it up now,
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he would look suspicious. Yeah.
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We need to talk about this mission in more detail
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because it's so integral to what is going on right now
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with Harry's plot. The cabin is back.
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This is what's exciting.
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The cabin is back from last year with a few more surprises.
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Everyone was all over the place... A mess. ..and no-one really knew
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what they were doing for the first sort of ten minutes or so.
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For the first few minutes, Ross was doing my head in,
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because of the light situation.
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Oh, my goodness. He wouldn't... "Bit of water!" And he kept going,
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"I've got to keep my hands on it. But, guys, take that.
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"But I've got to keep my hands on it. But, guys, do this."
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It was driving me insane.
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Yeah.
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We should talk about Charlotte in this mission, because I think
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she really stepped up a gear in this mission.
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She did. This is why I think it's devastating for her to go,
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because I think she really came into her own in this.
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She was totally fearless. She just threw herself into it.
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While people were going, "Oh, rotten fruit. I don't want to touch that."
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She was like, "Right, come on, you lot. Let's just get on with it."
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Head first, almost. Yeah, she was really good at it, actually.
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Yeah. I really do respect being in that scenario,
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especially when it was dark - because, you know, Ross wasn't
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holding the light - but when it's dark and you're still going, like,
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she was putting her hands everywhere. Yeah. She didn't care.
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She was just searching.
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And I respect that because I would totally be the person behind her
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being like, "You get it, babes.
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"Have a look in that corner!" It couldn't be me.
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Yeah, and Andrew struggled with it, wasn't he? Yeah.
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Like, didn't he go down second or third and then just popped his head
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back up like one of those Whac-A-Moles.
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Well, it's all up for grabs next week.
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We've obviously got a few episodes left next week.
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Feels like it's going to be spicy. Do we have any predictions?
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I think Ross is going to go. Oh! Don't put it in the atmosphere.
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If he does, then it's a great move by the Traitors.
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Yeah. It's a really good move. It would be fantastic.
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And my prediction is, if Ross does go, as he leaves the round table
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and leaves the room, he's going to turn the lights out.
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I hate you so much.
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I hate this guy.
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Thanyia, any predictions?
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Well, I'm going to lean heavily into your admission
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that you are like Ross, and therefore, we know that your guys'
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predictions are normally wrong.
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So I'm going to predict... That's a fair point. That's a fair point.
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..that Harry will be gone next week... Ooh! Ooh!
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purely because he pulled too much... Yeah. Yes. ..and didn't recognise
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that he was under attack by somebody in house.
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Yes. Right. OK. All good predictions.
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Well, Charlie and Charlotte will be with us shortly.
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But first, let's have a look at the exclusive Uncloaked moment
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when they met and found out who the Traitors actually are.
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Charlie's angel at your service.
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No way! Oh, my God!
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Oh, it's so nice to see you.
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I know so much about you and - I'm not going to lie -
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I'm really nervous about this bit,
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but I'd love to know whether you were a Faithful or a Traitor.
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And if I'm a Traitor? I'm still going to love you.
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It's OK. You're all right.
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That's good news, but I am a Faithful.
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Oh, no way!
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You were a Faithful. I'm so, so sorry.
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Mate, honestly, I told you at that table I would never be offended.
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Just, you need to move past that. You need to understand
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that I just love you, so I didn't care.
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I'm so nervous, excited. I can't wait. Are you ready?
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I'm ready! I'm ready.
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I can't wait. Do it. Do it! Do it!
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It's Harry.
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It's... It's Harry.
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No...way!
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Look at me. We were coming to him with all of our theories...
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All our bloody ideas!
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I just think his theories were so elaborate, and he...
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I always felt like I was on the back foot with him.
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Like, how do you know so much?
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They played us a good 'un.
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Did Harry vote for any of the Traitors,
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did he uncover any of the Traitors?
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He did, didn't he? Yeah. Well, he pushed us in the Paul direction.
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Yes! And Miles, obviously Paul pushed.
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So they all just turned on each other one by one.
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There was a conversation that I had with Harry about Andrew... Oh, yeah?
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..and he was he kind of like, "No, I don't think so."
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Andrew couldn't look at me when he put my name on the slate.
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Diane and Harry. Like, everyone trusted Harry.
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Everyone went to Harry.
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Diane will be going mental when she finds out.
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Oh, my God, I can't wait to find out what her reaction was.
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So are you ready to see the next one?
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I feel like I've got someone standing in front of me
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ready to be banished.
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Andrew.
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Andrew, what did I just say?
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Oh, my days!
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We got him, we saved him from the... The boys club.
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I think sometimes he's nearly screwed himself up.
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That's what I was going to say, he's a risky move. He really is.
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He's a real risky move. Can I be honest?
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I think he's recruited to be sacrificed.
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I mean, they've sacrificed other Traitors. Yeah!
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So I've had it wrong the whole time!
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And they're with us now - it's Charlie and Charlotte!
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Welcome. Welcome to Uncloaked.
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You were both absolutely brilliant players.
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It's a pleasure to have you here. Oh, thank you.
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Now, Charlotte, when you went into the round table, I feel like
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you knew there was some heat on you.
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I mean, you were having some pretty heated discussions
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with Jasmine in particular, even before the round table.
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Yes. Is... I want to know, is that a better position to be in,
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to know that you're going to have to respond to something?
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Or would you have preferred to be slightly more on the back foot?
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In that occasion, I wanted to at the round table...
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So she had asked...
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She asked me that day when we was in the billiards room
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and she said, "Would you..."
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She said, "Do you want to know the reasons why I think this?"
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And my response - I think it was a bit cocky, actually -
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was like, "No, not really."
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Which is a bit passive aggressive.
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But then I was like - I did go on to obviously explain, you know,
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I'd rather defend myself at the table because if I'm going
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to sit here and then defend myself to you, you're going to go away -
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if you are a Traitor, which I thought she was -
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you're going to go away and think, right, I know how to respond
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when we get to the table tonight.
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So I'm just going to do it in front of everyone.
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And if I have to go, I have to go.
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But I knew that, with all the talking that had been going on,
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and the unknown Traitor Harry that had obviously been instigating
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quite a bit of stuff, that it was probably just going to be me anyway.
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So I thought, I'll say what I've got to say,
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I'll do what I've got to do.
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I'll make sure people are aware that I love them.
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And, yeah, if you want to send me, send me.
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So you manage to separate that emotional connection
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from the game, which I think is what made you a very good player.
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Thank you. I mean, I probably need to be honest, I've...
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I kind of knew in my gut that Paul was a Traitor for quite a long time.
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But I also knew that if I was playing his biggest fan
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with how he was playing to what I thought,
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I knew he wouldn't kill me.
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But then my theory was I'll get to the end and then out him
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and do a bit like what Hannah was with Wilf.
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I mean, Hannah was doing it obviously with Wilf, not on purpose.
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Yeah! But, yeah, I was kind of thinking, well, you got to the end,
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that's what I'm going to do with you.
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But he was making such big irrational moves towards the end
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that I just thought, this isn't necessarily going to be a shield
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for much longer, so I think this is the time.
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Yeah. He's so smart that if we...if we went straight in, then, yeah,
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then he would think of a reason to defend it, wouldn't he?
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Charlie, I feel like you were just like, hands behind your head
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for the whole thing, just like... The whole time
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..no-one suspected you at all.
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Not one slate. I mean, I think there was no Traitor talk.
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Did you not get one slate, no?
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Not one slate. I didn't get a mention around the round table. No.
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And, yeah, the Traitors didn't mention me right up until the end,
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not even in a conversation.
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So it's kind of amazing you lasted so long,
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cos it was very clear from the off, really,
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you weren't going to be banished. It was... No, no.
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It was quite clear... Yeah. ..that I wasn't a Traitor.
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And I think the main point that I wanted to make
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was I wanted to be myself. And I feel like I did that. Yeah.
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And I feel like I was almost like the mother hen,
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making sure that everyone was OK.
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And I think people need that in that situation
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where you're kind of surrounded by people that you can't trust,
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you don't know... You don't know what you're doing.
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You don't know what mission we're going on,
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whether people have been murdered. It's all very chaotic.
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So I tried to be that stability for people.
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It's kind of gameplay, you know?
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And even though it was authentic and I genuinely meant all of it,
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at the same time, I felt like people needed me in that way,
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and that's why I feel that sometimes that kind of my name
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wasn't mentioned, because it was that comfort. So that's actually...
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..good advice for future Traitors, is to be mother hen.
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Mother hen! Watch what you did in the game and just do that,
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but as a Traitor. Yeah!
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Charlotte, you were very set on Jasmine being a Traitor... Yes.
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I was so wrong! ..the theory that she'd been recruited -
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I think you were pretty sure she'd been recruited. Yeah, yeah.
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I didn't think she was from the off, definitely not. Yeah.
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However, the day before, me and Harry approached her,
479
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,320
and we simply said, like, "Look..." Not the day before, the day of it.
480
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,360
And we'd said, "Look, we think Paul, we think Paul, we think Paul,"
481
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:35,680
and I remember the word - cos it's a word I need to start using,
482
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,120
cos it's so sexy - she says, "It sounds very convoluted to me."
483
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,320
And I was like, "Mm, hello!"
484
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,600
So...
485
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,600
LAUGHTER
486
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,320
I'm going to Google what that means before I respond!
487
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,480
What DOES it mean?!
488
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,600
So, like, a bit far-fetched, you know what I mean? Oh, OK. Right.
489
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,880
Like, "I don't think it is."
490
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,200
She's like, "No, it sounds a bit convoluted to me."
491
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,520
And then we go to round table,
492
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,240
and she's like, "Jaz, Jaz, Jaz, Jaz, Jaz!"
493
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,560
And then she goes, "Paul." And I'm like, "You told me convoluted.
494
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,360
"I know that word. I know it, I remembered it, I stored it."
495
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,200
And then... And then we go, and then we've got Jaz
496
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,360
that she's gone, "Jaz, Jaz, Jaz!" And then she went, "Paul."
497
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,120
and I just thought, "You've been recruited.
498
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,200
"It's you who's been recruited. It must be you."
499
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,120
And also because she'd gone so off on me,
500
00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:20,880
but also going around saying that she thought I was a bit, you know,
501
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,120
a bit suspect. So I was just like, "I'm so right."
502
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:28,920
And I think I remember when I was leaving, when I actually exited,
503
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,840
I thought, "Well, I'm taking you down with me cos now I'm a Faithful,
504
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,680
"they're going to think you're a Traitor!"
505
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,320
And then I was wrong anyway!
506
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,040
When we opened it, I thought, "Oh, God, I feel awful now!"
507
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,160
I want to hark back to a previous mission,
508
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,000
which is one of my highlights of the series. It was episode five...
509
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,200
I think I know where this is going! ..the catapult mission... Yeah.
510
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,200
..Charlie, the absolute star of that one.
511
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,600
Let's remind ourselves of that.
512
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,080
CLAUDIA: Go! This is my moment to shine.
513
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,680
All right, come on, then!
514
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,400
This is for Bristo-o-o-l!
515
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,720
LAUGHTER
516
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,720
Screaming!
517
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,160
And perfect aim.
518
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,560
CHEERING
519
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,960
Get in! I'm so happy!
520
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,120
I get emotional looking at it.
521
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,560
No matter what happens to me in this game,
522
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,480
that was the proudest moment of my life.
523
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Aw! Baby, I'm so proud of you! I loved it so much.
524
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,920
And also it just... It feels like, actually, the only time
525
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,200
in this series where you've all been united doing something. Yeah.
526
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,080
Normally, the missions, everyone sort of comes together a little bit,
527
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,360
but there's been dissent in quite a lot of the missions.
528
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:45,360
This... That felt like the one where you were all working together,
529
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,360
and the fact that you topped it off by screaming
530
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,440
"this is for Bristol"... "This is for Bristol!" Yeah!
531
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,640
I just felt so blessed to be given the opportunity
532
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,920
to be able to do that.
533
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,200
It was a good job that I got the target, as well. Yeah...
534
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,880
Yeah, I think... Like, it was emotional when I did it,
535
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,560
it's emotional now when we play it back. Yeah.
536
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,640
Yeah, just, I'm always going to remember that.
537
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,360
And I always go a little bit soppy about it
538
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,480
cos it's not every day that that happens.
539
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,080
Well, I really think that the city of Bristol are missing out
540
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,680
if they don't get you to turn on the Christmas lights this year.
541
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,480
THEY LAUGH
542
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,480
"This is for Bristol!"
543
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,480
Can you imagine...? Don't invite Ross.
544
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,040
Cos he'll just turn them off!
545
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,480
Yeah, just pull the whole Christmas tree down.
546
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,520
You'll have a very dark Bristol in December!
547
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,520
Really good. Well, we've got some tweets about both of you.
548
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,640
I'm nervous. Oh, how exciting! THEY LAUGH
549
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,440
What, are you nervous? I'm excited! Two different reactions there.
550
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,000
Yeah! Well, this one's about Charlie -
551
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,200
" 'This is for Bristol!'
552
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,720
"Charlie ain't having to pay for her ciders in a pub now."
553
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,880
Wahey! "Stand that girl a pint."
554
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Yes! Woo!
555
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,080
Are you a cider girl, Charlie? Yeah, well, I've got to be.
556
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,000
I can't say anything else, right?
557
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,560
I have to stay true. I have to stay true to Bristol.
558
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,600
I'm not sure how you feel about this one, Charlie -
559
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,440
"Charlie is giving me big Josie Gibson energy." Yes!
560
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,840
"Oo ar, my luverrrr." "Oo ar, my luverrrr."
561
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,120
Oo ar, my luverrrr. And that fills me with pride.
562
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,120
Aw! So, Josie Gibson, like, we need to...
563
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,280
We need to meet up, because that would just be fire.
564
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,080
Wouldn't it be great, to see Josie Gibson? Great night out. Yeah.
565
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,320
And Daisy May Cooper, I think... Yeah. You coming, Charlotte?
566
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,440
Of course I am. Babe, I'm moving in!
567
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,840
I just... Yeah.
568
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,840
LAUGHTER
569
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,840
I thought this was great - "Charlotte fascinates me.
570
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,840
"I feel like I need a six-part Netflix documentary about her life."
571
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,080
Yes! Wow! Yes!
572
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,600
Really? Wow! I would pay for an extra subscription.
573
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,200
So I've got another tweet here.
574
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,120
This is a tweet from someone who you might recognise -
575
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,840
Evie. Evie! This is a tweet from Evie -
576
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,960
"Not going to lie. Kind of glad for that round table
577
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,840
"cos people are finding out for the first time
578
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,480
"that me and Charlie are in fact two different people
579
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,720
"and not the same blonde person, loool."
580
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,800
So, I must admit, I have heard this and I'm...
581
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,320
I've actually been looking at some of the pictures...
582
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,200
..to which I... I contacted Evie,
583
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,800
because I am actually questioning whether we are related
584
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,560
because we look so alike!
585
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,520
And I said to Evie, I said, "It's funny
586
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,880
"cos I thought that you were beautiful, which, actually,
587
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,480
"you know, I can see why now!" THEY LAUGH
588
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,400
Screaming! Do you know what? I might gift you one of those ancestry kits
589
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,680
and let's see what comes up! I just... Mind blown.
590
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,840
I need to, yeah, have a conversation with my parents.
591
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,680
It would be a big move from the producers
592
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240
to not only put in a secret mother and son, but also sisters
593
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,880
who didn't even know they were sisters... Didn't even know!
594
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,840
I know! A mic drop. That would be amazing!
595
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,720
Oh, my God, I really hope you're sisters now!
596
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,040
Now, we were gutted to see you go, of course, Charlie,
597
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,520
but I don't think we were as gutted as YOU were to go.
598
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,480
So let's just have a little reminder
599
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,040
of the moment you found out you'd been murdered.
600
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,720
SIGHS: Here we go.
601
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,040
"Dear, Charlie.
602
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,920
"By order of the Traitors, you have been murdered.
603
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,200
"Signed, the Traitors."
604
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Oh, gutted! Gutted!
605
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,280
The game is over.
606
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,680
Aw...
607
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,080
I mean, the thing about murder is that you can't...
608
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,160
You don't get your chance to say goodbye.
609
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,240
And that's the hardest thing, that you're not able to...
610
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:12,600
..to say goodbye.
611
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,480
But what is quite nice is you both went out at the same time,
612
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520
so you got to see each other almost immediately.
613
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,840
You couldn't have made that...
614
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,760
I know! ..any more perfect if you tried. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
615
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,720
It just made it extra special. It was just really poetic, I felt.
616
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,360
Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was very poetic.
617
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,520
But seeing you like that, that is really hard to watch. Aw!
618
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800
But I'm all right now!
619
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800
THEY LAUGH
620
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,120
So I want to end by playing one of my favourite moments
621
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,120
from you, Charlotte. This is an absolute belter.
622
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,560
All right. It's got to be one of the best lines of the series so far.
623
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,480
It sums everything up for me. Let's have a look.
624
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,440
Do you think we're all turning into psychopaths
625
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,400
cos we just deal with death so easily now?
626
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,560
THEY LAUGH
627
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,600
Jesus! I really think, if anyone hadn't seen The Traitors before,
628
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,320
I'd play them that line to distil the whole experience.
629
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,320
LAUGHTER
630
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040
Absolutely nailed that! Definitely.
631
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,600
We've run out of time here, but we do not want to stop the chat,
632
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,280
so we are going to go over to BBC Sounds for an exclusive
633
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,320
bonus episode of Uncloaked.
634
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,920
Make sure you pop over there to listen to that.
635
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,040
We're going to be talking to Charlotte and Charlie -
636
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,920
and our guests, Thanyia and Jordan - about even more, including...
637
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,520
..now that they know what they know,
638
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,560
will they ever be able to trust Paul again?
639
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,000
But from our brilliant guests here - Thanyia, Jordan,
640
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Charlotte, Charlie - thank you very much to those guys!
641
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,800
APPLAUSE
642
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,000
I've been Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.
643
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,840
LAUGHTER
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