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Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

And was that not the best hour of television ever?!

If you have not seen episode seven,

then you've got to go and watch it now

because there will be spoilers and they are coming in three, two, one.

Coming up, we get the exclusive first look of Diane finding out

Miles was a Traitor who killed her in plain sight.

They'll both be here with us in the studio,

but will the poisoned chalice make a return?

Plus, to dissect the latest episode,

I'll be joined by Sophie Ellis-Bextor

and Reverend Richard Coles.

CREW APPLAUDS AND CHEERS

Hello. Hello. Welcome.

You seem surprised that we have the full pod crew

in the background there. They're our studio audience, essentially.

Well... Thank you. Very impressive.

Now, Sophie, before we start properly, Murder On The Dancefloor

is back in the charts.

Did this episode inspire you to maybe write a follow-up?

Poisoning In The Castle - something like that?

Ideas popping off in all directions. Yeah.

And, Richard, obviously, you've been at a fair few funerals

in your time, I guess. Yes.

Any as sort of dramatic and as camp as that?

Well, I've not actually had the person die during the funeral.

THEY LAUGH

But beautifully observed as well.

I liked the whole sort of horse thing. Yes. Me too.

The whole sort of funeral director thing was very well done.

And Clauds, if she ever needs another job. Yeah.

Funeral direction's the one. Very solemn.

I thought she nailed the solemn. part of that. Yes.

We've got to talk about that funeral procession in detail.

And not only that, we've got to talk about the real-life son of Diane

having to give a eulogy to her while she was in the coffin, essentially.

That's going to come back to haunt him a fair bit, isn't it?

But first, before we discuss all that, we should mention,

we have got our second-ever Traitor caught!

SIREN BLARES

That's our Traitor siren. It's good.

And we've obviously only used that once so far this series,

so it's great, it's great to finally get it out there.

Now, let's relive the moment that Miles was caught and banished.

Miles, before you leave us forever, please reveal -

are you a Traitor or a Faithful?

What an amazing journey we've had.

And I made some amazing friends for life, actually,

and I'm actually ready to see my babies.

Aww!

I am, in fact a...

..Traitor.

THEY ALL CHEER

SQUEALING

Sneaky little devil!

Diane - what a legend!

"Sneaky little devil" is what we heard there.

Now, Miles's exit. Quite often it's a really intense experience.

The Traitor, when they're caught, they might cry out of guilt

or they might, you know, they might leave and be sort

of really overwrought by the whole emotional thing.

Miles seemed absolutely delighted.

We can ask him about this later when he's in the studio with us,

but the little wave - I wasn't expecting the little wave

as he leaves. But this is a man who euthanases hamsters.

You know, just sort of burying one of the contestants

isn't going to throw him at all.

We should talk about the way Miles despatched of Diane, because I think

that was part of his downfall because it was slightly more obvious

than it should have been, really.

I mean, not...I mean, not only the fact that they spent, you know,

upwards of an hour trying to find the chalice in the first place,

but the fact then Miles basically had to thrust the chalice

into Diane's hand and scream, "Neck it, fresher!"

Now, do we think that that was the beginning of the end for him?

I felt like Diane clocked something was up

when she was even having her first fizzy sip of rose,

cos she was really staring at him.

Yeah. That bit at the breakfast table was absolutely brilliant.

I think Miles's reaction to seeing Diane in there is...

"Hiii-ii-i-i-i?"

"Ooh, look at you!"

Do you think Miles could have done

a better job of defending himself at the Round Table?

Because obviously the suspicion was floating around him

and then Paul really came for him.

I think he could have maybe brought up the fact that Diane also

said she'd been kissed by someone and she couldn't remember who.

Yeah. He could have just gone for it because he was kind of...

The writing was on the wall a little bit for him. Yeah.

So he could have just gone,

"Actually, she said she was kissed and I saw it was..."

and then just name someone else that was also a suspect.

I think you're right. But it was very finely balanced there.

And I thought that it was two champs fighting, slugging it out,

with Miles and Paul, and it nearly tipped in the other direction.

It did, very nearly. What about Harry going, "I think these are

"two Traitors fighting each other"? Oh, it's just so great.

Isn't he playing it so well?! It was an outstanding moment,

and it's such an outstanding moment, we've got a clip ready of it.

Oh, good. Yay, I could watch it happily. Let's have a look.

MILES TALKS IN THE BACKGROUND

Just great. That's so juicy.

The last two episodes, Harry has been an excellent Traitor.

Hasn't he been so good? Because we've been talking about him being

in Paul's shadow a little bit and sort of just following along

with what Paul says, but now he's really emerging from behind Paul,

I think. There was that interesting bit where they were debating

over who they were going to pick.

And actually, Harry really stood his ground and you thought,

"Oh, Harry, you're looking like you're coming into your power,

"your evil, dark power." Yeah. Your evil, dark power.

And also, he said, "Paul thinks he's in control, but actually

"I'm slightly letting him fill that space

"so that I can get on with playing this game the way I want to."

I quite like that. I think Paul,

Paul has been, you know, two steps ahead of everyone

for about three or four episodes,

and now he seems a step behind Harry

because they formed this alliance to get rid of Miles,

and Paul seems to now think that that alliance stands.

But there's no trace of loyalty in this game.

No. No. That's what's so addictive, isn't it?

It can go from seeming, wow, they're really under the radar,

they're playing it well, to like, ooh, actually, all eyes are on them.

What did you think about the tears?

Well, firstly, can I say I love it when people cry

in Traitors. Every time someone gets really emotional, I'm having a ball.

So more of that, please. I like it as well

when they act like someone's really dying, when they leave the show.

Yeah. All of that kind of thing, I'm here for it.

And I think Paul has been

occasionally tipping into slightly hammy territory.

Getting out the coffin, for me, he was a bit,

"Oh, that was awful!"

Yeah. Bit much.

As if he'd never lain in his own coffin before!

Come on, Paul! Get over it, mate!

Yeah. What do you think about the tears, then, with all that?

Well, cos my favourite thing in the whole show is the Round Table,

actually. Absolutely. Of course.

And I think one of the interesting things about it is

that their emotions come to the surface.

It's stressful and they feel fear and they feel anxiety

and they feel upset.

And I think that's really interesting to see how that works.

But when it first started out, somebody said to me, a vicar friend

of mine said, "You shouldn't watch that, it's exploiting the worst

"in human nature." And I said,

"I think it's also exploiting the best in human nature,"

cos you see solidarity, don't you? And thoughtfulness.

You told that vicar!

"And that's my sermon for today!"

I think it's round that table, it gets very, very intense.

And also, you find yourself doing things, I think, you know,

betraying your friends, there's quite a long cultural history.

And even if you're doing it in the format of a game,

it's still something that kind of tells with people.

Is there something biblical about the Traitors? Oh, God, yeah.

I mean, well, you know, it...it goes right back

to the sort of fundamental... Oh, what am I talking about?

No.

LAUGHTER

Cain and Abel, I was going to say? I was thinking about that, too,

but then I thought... The Last Supper?

But, no, final answer - no.

No, betrayal is a big thing.

That's the jeopardy of the programme. It's betrayal.

So the episode ended with Claudia giving Harry and Paul the option

of whether to murder or recruit.

I think they're edging towards recruiting, so let's have a reminder

of who they were debating between.

I would love to bring Zack in.

He went for us on the bus, and it's easy to switch up on him.

But will he say yes?

What about Jasmine?

She has heat on her already.

Big name, strong person, fierce.

I'm liking the thought of Ross being in here with us, though.

He's got heat on him already.

He said about three people he's been 100% on,

and they've all been faithful.

I think there's so much on Andrew.

So if he goes, again, it's just good for us two.

Andrew does have eyeballs looking at him.

This is a big decision, man. It is so big.

Before we talk about the actual meat of what's happening there,

can we just briefly discuss Andrew's VT, little clip there?

Because from what I can work out, he's draped himself in some towels

and he's eating a big bowl of mint imperials. Yeah.

And also, there's a whole lot of scented candle work happening.

A lot of scented candles, yeah.

But let's talk about the important stuff in that,

because they're choosing between Zack, Jasmine,

Ross and Andrew to recruit. Mm-hm. Yeah.

This is the important thing - I think they've decided to recruit.

So these are their choices.

Who do you think they'll go with? Who do you think the best option is?

I know who I'd want.

Well, a first person I thought of they'd go for would be Zack.

Yeah, me too. Yeah, I think he'd be an interesting Traitor, actually.

Yeah, I think...I think some people sort of assume he is anyway.

Yeah. It'd nice to see him in that position and how he would react.

Exactly. If he survived,

I think he could give Harry a run for his money. Really?

Yeah. Cos you've got a lot of faith in Zack.

I think he's thoughtful, he's logical.

And if he can survive irritating people and not getting sacked,

I think strategically he's very able.

But, also, his beard is growing at an interesting rate.

Have you noticed that? Oh, I haven't picked up on that.

Yes, there's some quite vigorous sprouting happening.

And I wonder if it's a reaction to the stress of the thing,

I don't know. Wow, have you tracked that, with the...?

We've not been tracking that. That's on a different podcast. Body hair growth?

That's on Traitors Unshaved.

Do we think Ross would be able to handle being recruited

as a Traitor, because he's just watched his mum die, in essence -

do we think he's actually going to go full Norman Bates

and start dressing up as her round the castle?

Oh, God, that'd be so good.

That would be incredible!

If that was me and MY mum

and I had to look at her in a coffin and she mouthed "bye" to me,

I don't think I'd ever sleep again. Exactly.

So we've got to talk more about the funeral.

And I thought Claudia particularly was iconic in this challenge.

Yeah. Let's have a listen to this.

Dearly beloved players, we are gathered here today

not just to win gold, but also to say farewell to one of you.

Because, by the end of this mission, the poisoned player amongst you

will be dead.

Just immediately, you're coming out of breakfast

and having to put your funeral gear on

and then you walk out... Welcome to MY world.

There were a lot of incredible moments in this funeral mission,

but my favourite had to be, and we've mentioned it already,

Diane's goodbye to Ross. Let's remind ourselves.

It's quite a casual "bye" for someone in a coffin.

But that's Diane, isn't it?

You think she would be as cool as a cucumber, even if she was kind

of laid in her coffin, don't you think? Absolutely.

She was, she was very, very cool.

He didn't betray anything about the fact that that was his mum.

No. He kept it very... Even at the Round Table,

when they banished Miles,

he even got in a, "Diane, you legend." Yeah.

How is he remembering to say "Diane", and not "Mum"?!

Imagine if he had gone, "My mum, what a legend!" Yeah!

"Sorry, what?" "Oh, no, I was just thinking about my own mother."

"She was ALL our mums." Exactly! LAUGHTER

I just want to see them all at home, Diane and Ross.

A reality show!

Yeah, like The Osbournes.

LAUGHTER

Think it'd be great!

Now, before we do get to meet Diane and Miles, very, very excitingly,

it's now time for our exclusive VT,

which captures the moment that Miles met Diane

after his banishment and Diane's poisoning,

and Diane gets to find out that he is a Traitor

and who the other Traitors are. Oh!

Oh, Miles...

MILES LAUGHS

Hello. No!

Cheers, my darling. Cheers, darling, but not really cheers.

I didn't want to see you here. Oh, don't be silly.

So who did you think the Traitors were?

So I would still have gone for Andrew,

but he may not have been my first choice, having been murdered.

Jasmine, because of this very awkward hug,

and then, looking back at her throwing names in

and the fact that Meg went after Meg voted her.

Um, she has gone under my radar, though, because I like her.

Yeah. You know? So who do you think are Traitors?

So I will say

that I was a Traitor.

You bastard!

I was...I was... No way?!

I was recruited.

Oh, Miles! I know, Diane, don't say that! I feel terrible!

I never thought I'd like a Traitor! No, don't say that!

You still love me - promise?

I do!

Yeah, I was recr... No way! What an amazing game!

Oh, babe, I know. But you killed me, then!

Well...yeah.

You wee shit!

MILES LAUGHS

I know!

"Oh, I don't want to drink sparkles - you have it."

I know, cos the thing is also,

I knew at that time... I would drink it!

Wow! Oh, babe, don't!

No!

I am so... I'm actually really happy it's you, cos you're...

I would NEVER...

I am so glad!

Babe... So just tell me why the Traitors voted for me.

You are such a leader.

People follow what you say. I know.

Because you are so genuine with what you're saying

that everyone followed suit.

By the way, everybody's been fooled by you.

It's because your name's not been mentioned.

Not once. You've played such a good game.

OK, what I think you probably should do is find out

who the other Traitors are. OK. OK.

So...

It says...

Christ, I can't play this game at all.

Harry.

That wee bastard.

That's why you're playing so well.

They've picked the nicest people in the world -

apart from me, obviously -

to be Traitors. Let's be honest, you would have been an amazing Traitor,

to be fair. No, I can't lie.

But imagine my shock when I get up there,

and obviously Ash, who we know and then there's Harry.

I was like, "Oh, my gosh."

Because also he's just so faithful.

The only person that's slightly suspecting him is Ross.

Really? Yeah.

Nobody else. Wow. Well, have a look at who the second one is, then.

Paul.

Shit.

OK. I know he's a Traitor,

so I know he's basically doing this to get me out.

So they've stabbed you in the back too, then?

Yeah, that's what happened.

My kids are right -

I would be shit at this game!

But, no, you weren't. Honestly. You were right about Ash

and you stuck by your guns, you weren't swayed by anybody else.

One of the nicest things you said

to me was, "Your children would be proud of you."

They would be, and they still will be. And, do you know?

One of them particularly is proud of me. Really? Yeah.

Why?

Ross.

No...!

DIANE CHUCKLES

Cheers! No way!

Yes!

Oh, my God. Yes!

Now I say it, you can see.

Oh, no, you didn't!

Are you still going to love me?

Of course I will! Oh, my God.

I also love Ross. I was so proud of Ross!

You're so naughty! I'm very naughty!

Ross is my boy.

Oh, my God. Yes.

So cheers to Ross. Cheers to that.

Good boy. That's my boy. Good boy.

They're here with us now. It's Diane and Miles!

Welcome. Welcome to Uncloaked, guys.

That was absolutely amazing to watch there.

Before we go any further... Go for it.

Can I just offer Miles a wee drink?

I'm so thirsty! Cheers! Cheers!

She didn't want to give it up there, did she? She was holding on to the glass.

You are going to be offered fizzy rose, both of you,

everywhere you go. I'm never drinking it again!

Can I just say I actually sacrificed myself cos I LOVE fizzy rose.

I'm the real victim in all of this, to be fair.

What a way to go in general. I mean, the fizzy rose aside,

you've got your own funeral. You've got your daytime funeral.

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. You must have been chuffed,

like, you know, if you have to be murdered on The Traitors,

that's the way to go, isn't it?

Well, not initially, cos I was actually so scared it might be Ross

that would go in there.

So as long as he was OK, then I sort of enjoyed it more,

and the drama and everything else.

It was...I think it was interesting in that in that VT, cos you seemed

very surprised when Miles revealed that he was a Traitor.

Yeah. Because your last action was essentially telling everyone,

"Miles is a Traitor, you've got to get rid of him."

No, I knew two people are giving me drinks,

Evie and Ro...and Miles.

Just call him Rose now!

I'll wear that crown! I'll wear that crown. Yeah.

So basically I knew that Evie was part of my Faithfuls,

and I wasn't absolutely sure about Miles.

I mean, I adored Miles, but I certainly didn't say to Paul,

"Absolutely, Miles is the one that killed me."

That's nonsense. I said,

"Miles gave me a drink and Evie gave me a drink

"and maybe, you know, Miles...yeah, could have killed me,"

but I never said absolutely and emphatically.

I think he saw it as an opportunity as well, to... To get at Miles.

Yeah. So... You know, understandably.

How did you feel when the other Traitors start turning on you?

To be honest, I...

You know, cos obviously I got brought in late, you know,

and so the whole time I'm playing catchup cos I have no idea

if they brought me in as a sacrificial lamb.

I'm not quite sure what the motive is,

but obviously quite early on,

you see that they turn on Ash

and I kind of thought I'm not with...

I'm not in a safe place, you know, like blowing my whistle kind of thing.

You were absolutely brilliant, Miles... Oh, thank you.

..in the head-to-head with Paul.

Yeah, thank you. That was brilliant

cos we really saw your mettle then, I think. Yeah.

I mean, you know, I'm a lovable guy,

like I'm a lover, not a fighter, believe it or not,

but obviously I could see he was gunning for me and I thought,

"If I'm going to go down, I'm going to scratch...

"..and claw on my way down!"

The vet side!

But there was a moment...

Yeah. The veterinary nurse

coming out of me!

It was fantastic the way you managed to turn it back round to him

and in the build-up to the Round Table as well,

to be able to say that,

"Oh, Paul seems to really be on a mission to prove that it was me,

"and he's the only one who spoke to Diane,

"so why would we think he might do that?"

And everyone was like, "Oh, interesting point, actually."

I thought, "Miles might actually turn this around."

It was so exciting. There was a time that I kind of thought I may have,

you know, kind of changed the table,

but I kind of also knew that, you know, my time was nigh, you know?

And so I thought, "That's fine,

"I'm going to go out hopefully respectfully, but I'm also

"going to make sure it's known that the person carrying the bone

"might need to be looked at." But you weren't the only one keeping

a big secret in there, because, of course, Diane, you were keeping

under wraps that Ross is your son.

Yes, but I didn't feel that would be a secret that would hurt anybody

in any shape or form.

In fact, it caused me a lot of stress, you know,

cos we got our first story wrong within two seconds

of being on that train. And I was like, "Oh, my God."

And I was running around trying

to make sure the same stories were being heard.

Yeah. And then worrying about him, if he didn't come down to breakfast.

But he would call you Mummy or something... It was just so...

No, but he kept... But I told him off cos he kept going,

"Di-ane, Di-ane,"

and after a while when you know somebody,

you don't keep saying their name, you know?

I wouldn't say, "Miles, can I have a drink?

"Miles, would you come over here?"

I'd say, you know, Hey, Miles, can I have a drink? Come over here."

But he kept, "Diane, Diane."

And I do actually say it... "Stop it!" He's practising and vocalising

cos it must have been so difficult to not just go, "Mu...!"

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You really did an amazing job.

You both did an amazing job. Well, we did, but if you...

We did stay away from each other quite a bit at the beginning.

Because I was so worried that you would...they would see us,

because I do think we, I mean, you know, obviously I've removed

all the facial hair and stuff, and don't wear glasses permanently.

So I was worried that they would see.

But as soon as Zack came up with that wonderful theory

that Paul was my son, then I relaxed into that.

And once that seed's almost planted as well by someone else... Yeah.

And then, if somebody else had said,

"Oh, Ross could be," I'd go, "Oh, and Tracey would be my sister

"and Kyra might be my brother." And that's what I would have done,

you know, I'd have just made... It was really incredible, wasn't it,

that Zack managed to land on you having a son in there,

but not on the right son?! Yeah.

But he had lots of great theories. We've actually got a clip of that.

I think we should watch that back cos it was a wonderful moment.

So, Zack, hold on.

I've been hearing some rumours.

Oh, yeah? Go on.

You think that my son's in this game?

I think you and Paul look a little bit alike.

I think you've got the same eyes. The two gingers. I dye my hair red!

I think Paul looks quite Irish too.

He does. He does, actually, yeah.

Diane, are you hiding something?

Oh! He's really playing with the whole thing! What I really liked...

Cos you said it was stressful keeping that secret,

but I absolutely love how much fun you had with it.

Like, like with the roast dinner, the roast dinner thing.

But we did want to be relaxed and like,

I got lots of little stories to tell about him,

you know, because he'd done the roast dinner one.

Yeah. I've been trying to get this story in, we did do Tough Mudder

many years ago, and you're supposed to write in the number

of your application on the other person's head

just in case there was an accident, so you can be identified.

So I sadly gave him the pen to write my number.

Not only did he write my number, he drew a willy on my head.

So I did the whole of Tough Mudder...

Drawing a willy on your mum's head is Traitor behaviour.

Exactly! So... What was the plan with the lie?

So it was always the idea to keep it under wraps

when you were in there? Yeah, always. Was there a grander plan

building up towards the end

that you would reveal it or you'd use it?

No, we were definitely never revealing it at all. Never.

And that's what I said because

last year's was revealed in the heat of the moment.

I said, "I don't care what's said, we don't reveal it."

And he agreed.

And you blew it. Hugely popular as well,

Diane, you've been a massively popular player in the game.

We've got we've got some tweets here actually. Oh, God...

Some tweets. They're all nice,

don't you worry.

This one's from Rosie Jones, the comedian Rosie Jones.

Rosie said, "I'm 33 years old,

"and every time Diane comes on my screen, I frantically try

"and think of an excuse for why I don't have my PE kit with me.

"I'm so here for the retired teacher energy."

@RobDavid says, "Diane, you have been selected as the queen

"that gay Twitter shall stan for the next month!"

That's great.

So, sorry, gay Twitter, she's dead.

Ruby Naldrett says, "Get Diane and her iconic bob on Line Of Duty.

"She'd have those bent coppers sussed in seconds.

"Ted Hastings who?"

I think you were good at the game. In that VT that we saw,

you said you were bad at picking the Traitors.

But I'm going to let you all know... and, well, it's not even a secret.

So when the masks came off for the first time

and I looked over and I said,

"Harry, Zack," everybody said, "Oh, you got Harry!"

No, I didn't. I actually said I could hear heavy breathing.

Well, I didn't know whether it was Harry or Zack,

but Harry, because obviously he had been picked,

he was worried that I had cottoned on to him.

No, I was genuinely worried.

I hadn't picked Harry or Zack at all!

And I think Zack was the one who... Cos he even said, "Oh, I think

"that might have been me," cos Harry was licking his lips,

he was far too chilled out.

Yeah, but Harry honestly thought I was gunning for him.

No, he slipped... I mean, there were lots of things now, obviously,

looking back, I could tell you a good few

I should have clocked on to, but I didn't sort of hang around

with Harry, so he just slipped in under there.

You had that rare experience as well that not many people get,

of being a Faithful and then a Traitor.

Yeah. You had like a clear 24 hours as a Faithful. Yeah.

In that 24 hours, did you spot any Traitor behaviour?

Did you have any suspicions before you were brought in?

If I was a Faithful all the way through,

I'd have been the worst Faithful, going through.

At the Round Table, I was like this subconsciously,

like, "Claudia, pick me, pick me, pick me."

Put it out!

When I wasn't chosen...

Yeah, I put my shoulder out!

So when I wasn't picked, I was like, OK, fine,

just go play the game, you know?

But then the problem is, is that you have this situation

that I'd try to befriend everybody,

and been quite loud and gobby,

so then I kind of put myself on the chopping block.

If I didn't choose to join the Traitors,

I would have been probably the first one to be killed

cos I was too much of a personality.

So it was one of those situations.

It was kind of my saviour to become a Traitor to continue into the game.

I just wanted to ask, what do you think

of the other Traitors and how they've been playing it?

I think they're playing it amazingly well for their gameplay.

You know, I think it's...depending on how you feel comfortable

playing, you know, it's all a game, you know,

but at the same time, you do develop relationships, I'd say, you know,

and bonds with people. You know, Kyra, I love that girl

to pieces, you know. And so it wasn't easy to be like,

"Do you know what? She needs to go." But also she was also threatening.

And so it's one of those situations you kind of think,

"Ugh...do you do what's right for the game

"or what's right with your moral compass?"

kind of thing. I think if you get murdered, it's...

SOPHIE: I think your moral compass, when you've literally had to give

a poisoned chalice to the one you're sitting next to!

I think it's a compliment to be murdered by the Traitors

because you're a threat. Most definitely.

Or the other one is they're just murdering you

to confuse everyone. Yes.

So that's an insult. If you're the confusion murder,

that's not a good feeling.

Yeah, but then sometimes

you have to think about some people are obvious to murder

and some people are, you know, probably going to be banished

just because our alliance isn't this, that and the other.

So you do have to kind of think not just what your next step is,

but what's going to be your second, your third or fourth.

Diane, I want to bring it back to your funeral now briefly.

DIANE LAUGHS

Do we have to call it that?!

I feel so guilty.

How do you think it must have felt for Ross being at that?

It's such an odd experience that no-one would ever expect to have.

Well, it is, and we do as, of course, is all over social media,

we do have actors in the family.

So we have seen, you know, my eldest boy has been blown up on a ship.

My daughter has been in a coffin on the stage.

My son-in-law was mowed down by a van.

LAUGHTER

Do you know what I mean?

Join the clan of you now.

Because I'd hate to think that,

you know, people say,

"Oh, my God, that son has had to watch his mother being..."

Yeah. Because there could be that.

It was... I definitely felt that, though.

Yeah. And he has said that and I get all that,

but honestly, if you were going to do it to any mother and son,

it's like the best combination.

But, yeah, it was drama, it was amazing drama,

it looks phenomenal.

But, you know, you're not to feel bad at all.

Well, you should actually feel bad.

I want to say, though, I mean, Diane's been an absolute legend

throughout the show anyway, but just our personal relationship,

cos I was really worried when I had to meet her again

and kind of confess, you took it so well and you didn't have to,

and I do appreciate that.

But also then to be told that your son's just watched,

you know, a coffin closed, you know, watching it back is actually quite,

I got quite emotional because I thought to myself,

"That poor..." I mean, I love Ross as well to pieces

that he had to watch that happen.

And I know it's one thing, you know, in the theatrics of it all,

but at the same time, it's quite... It was a heavy day. Yeah,

it was. That funeral was a heavy day and I wasn't happy from the get-go

because I knew what the outcome was and we were also responsible for it.

So...

And also I've killed an icon, you know?

So, so, yeah, it's one of those ones, watching it back,

even living in it at the time was hard, but watching it back,

it's also, I'm like, "Oh, gosh, poor Ross."

I know. But equally, though, as well,

just having a letter on a chair would have not been good.

No. Not being such a good... Yeah, that's the way you want to go.

Yeah. Really, you need to go out - fizzy rose and a bang.

We've run out of time here, but of course we will be doing

a bonus episode on BBC Sounds.

We have so many more questions to ask about the funeral challenge

and of course we've got an actual reverend here,

so it would only be correct to give Diane a proper send-off.

I'll be back after episode eight

with more updates from the world of Traitors, but for now, from everyone at Uncloaked -

Sophie, Richard, Diane, Miles and me, Ed Gamble,

thank you very much, and stay faithful.

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