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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,960 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,880 Hello and welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,240 I am your host, Ed Gamble. Before we get started properly, 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,160 should say massive, massive spoiler warning. 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,480 If you're not up-to-date on this series of The Traitors, 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,520 get yourself to BBC iPlayer and get caught up now, 7 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,680 you massive weirdo, 8 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,800 because we have so much to talk about on tonight's show. 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,720 We will see the moment that banished Jonny and murdered Meg 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,880 finally find out who the Traitors are 11 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,480 and they'll both be with me in The Traitors Basement 12 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,320 to discuss all things treachery, 13 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,800 trickery and treason. 14 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,280 Plus, to discuss tonight's explosive episode, 15 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,600 I'll be joined by 16 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,240 RuPaul's Drag Race star and Traitors superfan Danny Beard 17 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,960 and season one Traitor and total legend Amanda. 18 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,440 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 19 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,880 Welcome, welcome and thank you for joining us once again 20 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,600 in this castle-esque basement. 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,040 We have got a lot to discuss on tonight's episode. 22 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,680 It really, it really had it all. 23 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,720 Claudia screaming into a megaphone at no-one in particular. 24 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,840 I'm obsessed with how much Claudia screams. 25 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,160 Especially in the missions, 26 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,680 she absolutely loves a scream, doesn't she? 27 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,040 Yeah. She's like the mother, isn't she, on sports day? 28 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,680 She really is, yeah. You know, cheering her kids on. 29 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,480 "Come on!" A particularly vicious mother at sports day, 30 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,480 I would say. A vicious mother, yes. 31 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,520 I'm still not over the scarecrow of Claudia. 32 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,760 I want to know what's happened to the scarecrow of Claudia. 33 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,400 Do you want it in your house? I want it outside me house. 34 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,920 I'd never get broken into again! 35 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,120 Well, before we go any further, we should talk about what happened 36 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,280 at the end of tonight's nail-biting episode. Yeah. 37 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,640 So, let's have a little reminder. 38 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,440 OK, it's between Diane... 39 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Charlotte. 40 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,920 And Tracey. 41 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,560 # Who will save us? # 42 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:46,600 This murder's perfect. 43 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,760 It's a good move. 44 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:49,800 100%. 45 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,000 Let's do it. OK. 46 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,200 I love this game. 47 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,880 # Who will save us? # 48 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,280 Well, they've decided someone from those three. 49 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 And according to Harry, the murder's perfect. 50 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,040 Who do we think it's going to be 51 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,480 and who do we hope it's going to be? 52 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,880 I think if they choose Charlotte, it would be... 53 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,480 It's so random 54 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,200 that it would throw everyone into a bit of a tizz in there. 55 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,400 That would be a really random one, wouldn't it? Yes. 56 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,640 Yeah. Yeah, it would. It would be like, well, why her? 57 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:22,560 Yeah. So who's been connected to her? 58 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,920 Who's been...? We've not heard a lot from Charlotte yet. No. 59 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:26,320 She's played a pretty quiet game, 60 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,040 so to kill her out of the blue would really mess people up. 61 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,600 Yeah. And I wouldn't do the clairvoyant, 62 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,160 because she might see it coming, 63 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,400 even though she's seen nothing else coming so far. 64 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,160 So, we're not hoping for Tracey. 65 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,880 We're not... We're maybe hoping for Charlotte. 66 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,080 I wouldn't mind if it was Tracey. 67 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,240 She's not giving... She's not giving us nothing. 68 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,440 And no offence, Amanda, but Diane's taking it for the gays now. 69 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,320 Well... She is. I pass my crown on. You passed the crown on, hon. 70 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,640 I pass my crown over. 71 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,200 We, and I say we collectively, 72 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,640 because I do speak on behalf 73 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:57,400 of all the homosexuals in the country, 74 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,560 we love her. 75 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:59,800 Yeah. She's amazing. 76 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,520 What is it about Diane that you love so much? She's just... 77 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,560 You know if she was your teacher, 78 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,680 she would be your enemy in Year Seven. 100%. 79 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,200 Yeah, she's strong. There's 30-year-olds 80 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,200 all round the country quivering... Yeah. ..seeing her on the telly. 81 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,320 They're having flashbacks. Yeah. 82 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,560 They're probably having to go back through therapy seeing her on telly. 83 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,880 But it's just something about a strong woman... Yeah. 84 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,520 I'd be scared to fart round Diane. 85 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Oh, yeah, you couldn't. You couldn't. 86 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,280 She'd know what I'd had for dinner. Yeah, she would. She... 87 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,680 LAUGHTER IN STUDIO 88 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,680 You absolutely couldn't. 89 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,280 "McDonald's?" Do you know what I mean? 90 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,920 She is on it like a car bonnet. 91 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:32,920 I love the example with McDonald's, as well. Well, cos that's all I eat. 92 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:35,840 Unfortunately, it was Jonny who got banished tonight. 93 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,120 I mean, I personally didn't really see this coming 94 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,280 from the previous episode. 95 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,520 It seems to have all happened so quickly. 96 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,640 I think when one person is mentioned, 97 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,040 it is like that bit of herd mentality. 98 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,560 Everybody now is trying to save themselves, as well, aren't they? 99 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,600 Yeah. So if they haven't really got a lot to go on, 100 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,240 they jump onto the bandwagon, and yeah, unfortunately, 101 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,600 I didn't see it coming. 102 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,040 And I liked Jonny. Yeah, yeah. Jonny was a good boy. 103 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,400 You've been there. Do you find that you all... 104 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,040 Do you just jump in and think, "How can I save myself?" 105 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Because you see it flip on a coin and it annoys me. 106 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,000 Yeah, absolutely. 107 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,080 I mean, it can change... 108 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,480 You know, you sort of have the chats throughout the day 109 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,000 and then you think, "Right, OK, the majority is going to go 110 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,280 "with a certain person." 111 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:18,400 It can change round that table three or four times. 112 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,840 Let's talk about Paul, 113 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:23,240 because certainly Jaz really has his sights set on Paul now. 114 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,280 Do we think that's going to come to fruition? 115 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:27,720 Because he seems to be holding back a little bit as well, 116 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,160 because he knows how much clout Paul's got, is what he said. 117 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,840 I think Paul is really going to be in the spotlight now... Yeah. 118 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,240 ..so he's really got to pull it out of the bag. 119 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,280 Yeah. I think he's going to do it, do you? 120 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:39,080 I mean, the suspicions have started to come. 121 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,280 So, let's actually have a little look at what Jaz said about Paul. 122 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:46,360 So, please, if I'm not here tomorrow, 123 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,200 remember this conversation. 124 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,440 Bro, he's acting different, 125 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,600 and he's too popular to be bringing his name up. 126 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,920 Too popular. 127 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,640 There's too much clout. 128 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,920 It's a very smart move from Jaz... Yeah. Yeah. ..I think. 129 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,320 To say that out loud, 130 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,320 to voice your opinion and say, 131 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,840 "If I'm killed tonight, then it's Paul," 132 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:08,960 it almost guarantees that he won't be killed. 133 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,560 Exactly, yeah. Because he's the one saying that, right? 134 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,720 But as long as Jaz knows he's saying it to 135 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,600 someone who's going to tell Paul that. 136 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,720 Yeah, well... And he is. He's saying it to Harry. 137 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Well, he's saying it to Harry. Guaranteed. 138 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,280 The only thing with Paul is, I think he's playing it very clever, 139 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:26,280 but I think he's going to turn even on Harry 140 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,400 and Harry isn't going to be aware of that. 141 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,520 I also think the whole point of The Traitors is, well, 142 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,320 you're second-guessing, then you're third-guessing 143 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,520 then you're fourth-guessing. 144 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,760 You never know if something's a double bluff, a triple bluff, 145 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,920 a however many bluff, you know? I'm not Carol Vorderman. 146 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,480 So, it's how do we know he's not the Traitor? 147 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,920 That's what my mind would be going. 148 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,560 Yeah. You know? My mind would be going, 149 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,640 "Well, how do we know Jaz is not the Traitor?" 150 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,560 "If I'm not killed tonight," and then he turns up tomorrow, 151 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,480 how are YOU not planting the seed? 152 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,360 I mean, I'd be a paranoid mess if I was in there. 153 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,920 Yeah. I'd have to be a Traitor. 154 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,480 Oh, I had so much fun. Yeah. 155 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,400 Yeah! I mean, you know, I've had five children. 156 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,000 God, I'd a couple of weeks away. It was fantastic! 157 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,680 I didn't care if I had to murder 158 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,360 to have a couple of weeks away. 159 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,360 You'd do anything for a free breakfast and a bit of, you know, 160 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,400 a bit of time on your own after five children. 161 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,600 So, no, I really enjoyed... This is why you're loved. 162 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,520 Paul also got called out by Anthony at the round table... Yes. 163 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,600 ..and this was to do with their sort of botched plan. 164 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,040 Now, the plan was obviously Paul was going to be saved, 165 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,560 then they could they could kill Andrew, 166 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,840 and then Meg would get banished. 167 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:32,160 But obviously they saved Andrew, 168 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,200 because Paul thought he was the most popular. Yes. 169 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,880 So it's all gone a little bit wrong. 170 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,440 But then when you see... This is why I think Paul's incredible. 171 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,680 When they went back to the turret, Paul's reaction was, 172 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,720 "It's worked, our plan's worked. 173 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,320 It's like, "No, it hasn't. Your exact plan completely failed." 174 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,400 Yeah, but he can't see that. He can't see that. Because to him... 175 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,040 He wanted Ash out. 176 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,200 She's gone. 177 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,760 So, to him, that was his plan. 178 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,480 Yes. I think that was his individual plan in his mind. 179 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,800 Although he's playing Team Traitors, 180 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,000 he's not Team Traitors. 181 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,240 He's Team Paul. Team Paul. He's Team Paul. He's Team Paul. 182 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,840 Absolutely. We're on the same page, guys. 183 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:04,920 Yeah. 184 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,120 Amanda, how many steps ahead were you as a Traitor? 185 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,720 Were you doing things day by day, 186 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,080 or were you thinking ahead like a game of chess? 187 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,400 Oh, no. Day by day. 188 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Who was annoying me that day! But that didn't come across. 189 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,160 I thought you had it all covered. 190 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,000 I thought you absolutely had the whole thing planned. 191 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,240 Cool as a cucumber. I know, I was in the chess club when I was younger, 192 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,800 so perhaps something... Maybe that's it. 193 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,280 ..like that came through. I don't know. 194 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,360 Yeah, but we've got that chess guy in there now. 195 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,320 He's a chess coach, to be fair. Oh, he's a coach, is he? Yeah. Yeah. 196 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,920 I think the best way to play a Traitor, 197 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,400 I know it's a game of deception, but it's a game of trust. Mm-hm. 198 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,240 You have to get people to trust you very quickly. 199 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:41,960 And Paul has done that. Yeah. 200 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,600 And that's what it's about. 201 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,280 And as long as they trust you and believe in you, 202 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,560 they believe any shit you're saying. 203 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Now, I want to talk about the missions, 204 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,400 because despite sort of rising tensions amongst the group, 205 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,000 they seem to have worked really well as a team today. 206 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Yeah, I think... 207 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,120 You need the missions obviously to win the prize fund, 208 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,000 but I think as a team it brings you together 209 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,160 and it does just calm your mind down, as well. 210 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,480 Mm-hm. You can observe other people. 211 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,200 It's a good excuse for the Traitors to get rid of people 212 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,520 that aren't participating. 213 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,240 Yeah. You know, they can use that as an excuse as banishment 214 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,800 to start sowing some seeds. 215 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,080 But yeah, really, it's nice 216 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,960 just to sort of calm down and be a team, 217 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,680 but that's when the friendships, 218 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,840 you could see them bonding more and more... Yeah. 219 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,640 Totally. ..because they are totally relying on each other 220 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,800 to pull this, the mission, together. 221 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,640 And that's when their friendships are going to form 222 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,320 and that's when it's going to get harder. 223 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Can I say, I think, as a viewer, the missions are where the Traitors 224 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,840 let things slip? 225 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,720 Because I think Harry's facial expressions in some of 226 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,320 these missions have given it away. 227 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,880 When they didn't get the shield for Paul... 228 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,360 Yeah. ..he was visibly gutted. He was gutted, yeah. Yes. 229 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,720 If I was in a one-mile radius, I feel, of Harry at that point, 230 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,480 I think I'd have been onto him. 231 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,440 Well, and in this episode he was offered, wasn't he, a shield, 232 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,800 I think once or twice? And he just said, 233 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,320 "No, it's OK," because he knows he's not going to get murdered. 234 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,000 Yeah. And they gave it to Ross instead. Yes, yes. So... 235 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,680 But I also think that was tactical of him to try and seem 236 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:18,920 like a real team player. 237 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,880 Yes, yeah. And, like, well, that's what a Faithful would do. 238 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,640 I mean, there's always kind of a way of spinning it. 239 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,360 Yeah. Yeah. "Well, that's what a Faithful would do. I'm Faithful." 240 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,240 Yeah. I think tonight, though, the real star of the mission, 241 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,760 for me, was Charlie. 242 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,080 So, let's have another look at Charlie in the mission. 243 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,840 This is for Bristol! 244 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,320 CHEERING 245 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,040 Get in! 246 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,880 I'm so happy. 247 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,440 Whoo! 248 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,400 No matter what happens to me in this game, 249 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,800 that was the proudest moment of my life. 250 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,840 She's brilliant, and we've not heard a huge amount 251 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,040 from her in the build-up... No. 252 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,520 ..but now she's really announced herself into the game, I think. 253 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Screaming, "This is for Bristol," at the top of her voice 254 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,200 as she launches a catapult. Yeah. 255 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,840 It was that slo-mo through the field for me. Yeah. It was like... 256 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,160 I just want to see that slowed down and sexed up. 257 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,960 I think she's going to be a dark horse. 258 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,680 I think she is. She's going to come from, as you said, 259 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:23,200 she hasn't put herself out there, 260 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,040 because I think being a Faithful as well, 261 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,040 you can't, you shouldn't be too loud 262 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,760 and voice opinions too early in the game. Yeah. 263 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Because... Because that'll knock you out. Yeah, going to get you out. 264 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,360 It'll target you. 265 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,640 So, you know, she's going to come from behind 266 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,120 when the time is right, I think. 267 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,200 Because there are people 268 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,080 that we haven't really talked about on this show yet. Yeah. 269 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,120 But really that's a compliment in terms of gameplay. 270 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,560 For sure. Because those are the people that are just going to 271 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:48,600 sort of just be under the surface of the water for a little bit longer 272 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,640 and hold out until those crucial moments, so... Yeah. We'll see. 273 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,560 Someone who didn't hold out until the crucial moment was Meg... 274 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,880 Aw! ..who was unfortunately murdered. 275 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,000 She had to be murdered. 276 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,320 That was their only option, 277 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,400 because it was obviously between Paul and Meg at the end, 278 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,120 because they were the two remaining dungeon dwellers. 279 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Yes. And so they had to kill Meg, 280 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,400 but she already had a lot of suspicion on her 281 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,440 as a potential Traitor, 282 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,320 so I think she would have been banished. 283 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,960 What do you think she was doing 284 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,520 that had got all that suspicion onto her? 285 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,440 I think it's what she wasn't doing. 286 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,360 I think, I'm sure she's a really nice girl, 287 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,880 and I actually can't wait to chat to her, 288 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,440 you can be a really strong person 289 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,440 and then you go into a room and there's five other people 290 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,400 who are stronger characters than you, 291 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,440 and it does something to people's, like, I don't know, 292 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,400 psyche or whatever, and it changes. It does. 293 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,240 And I think she just became within herself 294 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,800 and that raised suspicion. 295 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,680 And if you give an opinion, you have to back it up. 296 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:48,080 Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, right at the start of tonight's episode, 297 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,800 we got to see Ash reveal herself as a Traitor. 298 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,600 Yeah. How would you assess her time as a Traitor? 299 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,640 I think she was the weakest link. Mm. 300 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,360 You know, did she deserve for the other Traitors 301 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,560 to not stick by her so early? 302 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:07,720 That's questionable, because I do believe we've got Team Faithfuls, 303 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Team Traitors, and we should... 304 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,760 I know it's called Traitors, but we should keep sort of 305 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,000 a team alliance for a certain amount of time. 306 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,400 But she was... 307 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,680 Yeah, she was the weakest link, definitely. 308 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:22,960 Yeah. She was just giving... Her body language, everything, 309 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,880 she was just giving too much away. 310 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,200 She was. And having met her now on this show, 311 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,800 she's just the most effusive, lovely person, 312 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,120 very warm personality. 313 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,960 But she really does give a lot away of her personality. Aw. 314 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,280 I think she just immediately wants to talk to people. 315 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,920 Yeah. And for some reason, that got a lot of suspicion onto her 316 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,560 that she was going round asking people questions 317 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:44,040 and trying to work out what the lay of the land was. 318 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,480 Yeah. And that was the first port of call for her banishment. 319 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Yeah, she was trying too much to see what people's thoughts were 320 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,000 rather than just letting it run a little bit. 321 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Let it run and just guide it gently. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 322 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,880 I also think the other Traitors stabbing her in the back 323 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,600 this so, so, so early, 324 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,520 it's opened the gates to say anything can happen. 325 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,600 Does it feel more brutal, this series, do you think? 326 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,600 Yeah. It feels so much more brutal. Yeah. 327 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,280 I think from the off-start, everybody's in it for themselves. 328 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,680 Yeah. Everyone, you know? And that comes across. 329 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:15,920 Yeah. Definitely. 330 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,440 It's exciting, though, as a viewer, isn't it? Yeah, it is, yeah. 331 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,320 That first night this launched, I was like, 332 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,000 "I'm just going to watch the first one. 333 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,200 "Oh, go on, we'll just put two on. Oh, it's midnight. 334 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Oh, go on, we'll just... It was, like, two in the morning, 335 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,080 three in the morning, I was pacing up in the bedroom, 336 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,360 like, needing to see the next fix of it. I know. 337 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,640 It's fantastic. It's the best show. 338 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,480 I shouldn't say it, but it's the best show. 339 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,480 Well, your video, if you were in The Traitors, 340 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,520 would be you watching old episodes of The Traitors? Yeah. 341 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,200 I mean, I wouldn't be sitting like this, let me tell you. 342 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,440 It would be untucked! 343 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,560 I think they would jump at the chance to have that. 344 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,280 I think they should. I think they should. 345 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,440 Yeah, they should. Yeah. 346 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,640 Now we're going through this process today, 347 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,680 I'm starting to think I'd be a crap Traitor, 348 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:55,320 because I'm a bit like Ash. 349 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,560 I like chatting to people. Yeah. 350 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,000 I'm a bit too gobby and wear me heart on me sleeve. 351 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,440 Oh, no, I think you'd be brilliant. What're you trying to say? 352 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,680 I think you would, you know... 353 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:05,160 Also, if any of them caught sight of you with your hood 354 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,640 just pulled over your wig... Yeah. Yeah. 355 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,280 ..it'd be pretty obvious, wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah. 356 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,680 Is that Claudia? 357 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:11,680 LAUGHTER 358 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,400 So, now is the moment you've all been waiting for, 359 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,480 our Faithful murdered Meg and banished Jonny 360 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,360 finally find out who the Traitors actually are. 361 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,440 Now, do bear in mind, 362 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,360 this was filmed the day after Meg and Jonny left the game, 363 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,240 so Meg doesn't even know whether Jonny is a Traitor or not. 364 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Let's have a look. 365 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,840 Jonny, what the hell? 366 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,160 I know! Oh, my gosh! Come here. 367 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,800 God! 368 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,280 How you doing, babe? You all right? 369 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,360 You got banished? 370 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,160 I did. They banished me out! 371 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,520 Your name didn't even get brought up when I was there. 372 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,680 I know. Not once. I know. 373 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,560 OK, Jonny, can you reveal if you're a Traitor or a Faithful? 374 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,560 What do you think I am? 375 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,960 I think you're a Faithful. 376 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,000 Well, guess what? 377 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,320 I'm a Faithful. Yay! 378 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,000 Of course I'm a Faithful. I did think you were, to be fair. 379 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,440 Never would have guessed. Do you want to do the honours? Yes! 380 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,040 There you go. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. 381 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,320 Oh, my God. How close were we? How wrong were we? 382 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,000 OK. Oh, my God. 383 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,560 Oh, my God! 384 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,640 First Traitor... 385 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,040 ..is Harry. 386 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,400 Agh! Oh, my God! 387 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,120 Do you know what? I actually... Fair play. 388 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,240 Oh, I said his name as a joke. Did you? 389 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,680 I've had question marks over him, but I tried to ignore it. 390 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,440 It was because we were both in the army, as well. 391 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,360 And I thought, hmm. In the trials, the missions, 392 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,400 he's been phenomenal. Yeah. 393 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,920 What a team player. 394 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Well, you know, he's been given a task and he's doing it. 395 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,720 But does that make you change who else it could be? 396 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,960 No. No, I'm still like... I don't know now! 397 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,880 I mean, who hasn't spoke to Harry? 398 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:01,640 That would be the next thing. 399 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,160 Like, Jaz? 400 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,080 Mm, Jaz is quiet, isn't he? Yeah. 401 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,520 Paul, I don't think, really, much. 402 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,800 He admires Harry, but... 403 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,080 Well, come on, tell me! 404 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,160 LAUGHTER 405 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,920 It's Miles. 406 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,000 Miles! Miles! 407 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,360 I knew it could be him, because I didn't want it to be! 408 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Miles! Oh, clever guy. 409 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Oh, my God! Nice. Wow. 410 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,400 You can just imagine them all meeting up with their cloaks on. 411 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Yeah. Backstabbing, you know. 412 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,720 JONNY MIMICS TRAITORS CACKLING 413 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,360 Stirring that pot. But I think, cos maybe the people they are, 414 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,400 they're probably hating it inside as well. 415 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,040 Or unless they're just cold and callous people. 416 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,800 Miles, like, sits back at the round table 417 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,240 and doesn't really say anything, does he? 418 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,880 There you go. I did notice that. And Harry is very much similar. 419 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,640 They just go with the flow. They do. 420 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,040 That's the way they're playing it. 421 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,080 Harry and Miles both voted for Ash, 422 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,560 so they threw a Traitor under the bus. Mm. 423 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,000 Very clever. That is smart. 424 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,720 And they let everyone else make the decision, 425 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,720 which is even worse. Very smart. 426 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,760 Go on. Oh, my God! 427 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,920 Put us out of our misery. 428 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,680 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 429 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,920 You're joking! Paul. 430 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,680 You're joking me! 431 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,600 You're actually... 432 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,600 LAUGHTER 433 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,040 So, I had a feeling with Paul that he was using real emotions, 434 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,480 do you know what I mean? Thinking about things... What an actor. 435 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,720 What an actor. He was fantastic in the dungeon and all. 436 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,520 I just thought he was a Faithful. 437 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,800 Jesus Christ, so there was two Traitors down there 438 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,520 and one upstairs. 439 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,160 I mean, look, there they are in print. 440 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,960 Oh, Harry, Miles and Paul. 441 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,520 Well, they're a good Traitors team. 442 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,800 They actually are. I actually... I can't mock that. 443 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,200 CHEERING 444 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Yes, he knew it was Miles 445 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,480 just seconds after reading it on a sheet of paper. 446 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Jonny joins us in the studio. 447 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,680 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 448 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,880 Jonny, welcome. 449 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,240 So sad to see you go. 450 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,080 Is it something that you were expecting? 451 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 In my heart, I could feel an energy shift. 452 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,320 And I was thinking, 453 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,040 "Have I said something wrong? Have I done something?" 454 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,760 You could just kind of pick up on the atmosphere change, 455 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,240 so I had a small feeling that something was going to kick off 456 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,680 round that round table. 457 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,880 But you don't know until you're sat there. 458 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,560 So, it's yes and no, to answer that. 459 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,400 I think from our perspective, 460 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,400 it all turned against you so quickly. 461 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,840 Yes. Like, the previous episode, 462 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,280 I don't think anyone was even really looking at you 463 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,920 and then suddenly someone pipes up with... 464 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,760 I think the issue was you were too nice. 465 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,480 Yeah, I have that problem in life. 466 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,840 It doesn't always do you good, does it, when you're too nice? 467 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,840 Ross and Jasmine were quite strong characters in there, 468 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,520 and the minute I went for them, 469 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,840 that's where I shot myself in the foot. No pun intended. 470 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,680 Can I ask, now you've seen it back, 471 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,120 is there, like, a bit of sour grapes? 472 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:40,480 Not at all. Oh, I would be. Really? I think. 473 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,440 Oh, I think... I take my hat off to you. Oh, yeah. 474 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,640 Oh, I bantered the moment, don't get me wrong. 475 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,960 You buggers! I'd be fuming! 476 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,400 You seem to suggest... Oh, he is so nice. Yeah, he's lovely. 477 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,040 You seemed to suggest, in that in that VT that we just saw, 478 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,680 that you did have suspicions about all of the Traitors. 479 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,440 I thought everyone was a Traitor. 480 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,600 I feel like... Who's a Traitor here? Everyone. 481 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,800 No, I just... I... Because you don't know who's on your team, 482 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,320 and that's what people don't realise. 483 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,440 It's like Team Faithful, Team Traitors. 484 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,400 Team Faithful don't know who's on their team. Mm-hm. 485 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,680 So you're looking at everyone. 486 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,640 And the minute I went to go and talk to someone, I was like, 487 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,880 "Oh, no, that could be a Traitor I'm talking to." Yeah. 488 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,640 So I naturally felt reserved, 489 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,520 but I didn't want to be, but I just didn't know who to trust, 490 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,800 so it was like that... It's the paranoia, isn't it? 491 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,600 Yes, massively. It does really get to you. 492 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,080 You wouldn't know you were a Traitor. 493 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,480 Yes, I know, but I was trying to feel it. OK? 494 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,040 You were trying to feel the paranoia. 495 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,840 That's how method you were. Yeah. 496 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,480 In your mindset, you were a Faithful. 497 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,120 I've never thought of it like that. How stupid am I that... 498 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,400 Of course you don't know who's on your team. No. No. 499 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,000 You said something very canny about Paul in that video, actually, 500 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,880 that you felt like he was using real emotions 501 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,320 and then putting them out in The Traitors... Yes. 502 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,080 ..as if he was a Faithful. 503 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,960 And I think there was that moment where 504 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,440 he started to get a bit emotional. 505 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,440 He started to cry about going home to see his family. Mm-hm. 506 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,200 And I think that was a genuine emotion that he somehow managed... 507 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,440 Yes. ..to manipulate into looking like he was a Faithful. 508 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,760 So, you know, I was very... 509 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,000 I related to Paul in the sense of, I've got two young children 510 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,600 and your emotions are up there compared to normal. 511 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,040 And, you know, you're tired, you're stressed, adrenaline's pumping. 512 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,760 And if I was just to think about my children, 513 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,240 I would have probably felt really emotional. 514 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,080 Yeah. So I... Even if it was... 515 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,680 I believe they were real emotions and I still do to this day, 516 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,360 because all he had to do was think of his children and he would get 517 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,920 upset because I knew that's what would happen if I did. Yeah. 518 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,120 So I tried my hardest to put them back, 519 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,200 and I think, when I saw Paul upset, 520 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,400 irregardless, they were real emotions and I could feel it. 521 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,080 And that's why it hit me hard as well, because he started talking 522 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,520 about his children and straight away, woof! 523 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,240 Yeah. I felt that as well, and that's why I was like, you know, 524 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,760 I've had to comfort him. You mentioned your relationship 525 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,200 with Harry, obviously, the Army link, the sort of... 526 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,320 I mean, I think Harry described it as a brotherhood... Yes. 527 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,360 ..on the show. Naturally. Yeah, naturally, 528 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,880 which made him feel a little bit guilty 529 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,960 about having to go against you, but he did do it quite quickly, anyway. 530 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,840 Yeah, he did, didn't he? 531 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,840 ED CHUCKLES 532 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,480 When you think about it. 533 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,640 Do you think, if the roles were reversed, if you were a Traitor, 534 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,880 would you have been able to go against Harry in the same way? 535 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,360 That's a tough question. 536 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,440 So the reason why I'm so understanding with Harry now 537 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:29,600 is because I was his age, his rank, and that's when I was still serving. 538 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,480 If I was given a task, irregardless of how I felt, how we're trained 539 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,800 in the army, you complete that mission. 540 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,200 You've been given a mission. You complete that mission. 541 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,720 But he had the squeeze on the shoulder, so he had to do a job. 542 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,240 He had to do it, yeah. I mean, irregardless of the fact 543 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,120 that he did vote for you at Banishment 544 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,960 and he knew that's what he was aiming to do... 545 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,120 Go on, stir the pot, babe. Go on, stir it! 546 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,480 No, I'm saying I think his emotions were genuine 547 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,520 and he did feel bad about it. Yeah, yes. 548 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,240 And we've actually got a little VT of his reaction after 549 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,080 you were banished. Aw! So let's have a little reminder of that. 550 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,360 Oh, God! 551 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,480 I'm, like, baffled. I'm completely baffled. 552 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,840 Harry, Harry, he still loves you. 553 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,040 Don't get upset. 554 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,400 Oh, bless him. 555 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,640 It's all good, Harry. 556 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,720 You've got to go with the brethrens. 557 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,240 OK? 558 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,760 Honestly, please don't beat yourself up, please. 559 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,200 It's so hard to see. 560 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,040 How does watching that video of Harry make you feel? 561 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,520 Because he clearly was cut up about it. 562 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,800 Yeah, I can feel the emotions in there, because... 563 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,680 I understand that feeling and I don't like seeing anyone upset, 564 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,000 especially when I'm involved in it. 565 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,800 It's hard to watch it back, to be honest. 566 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,440 There's a part of me... 567 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,280 Is he still on your Christmas list, though? 568 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,720 100%. Oh, is he? Yeah. 569 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,000 Wilf's not on mine. 570 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,320 THEY LAUGH 571 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,320 Only joking! 572 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,000 I'm sandwiched between Traitor icons here. 573 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,720 I'm like the filling in a Traitors Oreo, and I'm loving it! 574 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,400 Well, you may have noticed at home that we're all wearing very fancy 575 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,800 earpieces in the studio. 576 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,760 That is because we are about to speak to murdered Meg. 577 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,840 She is Zooming in live from heaven. 578 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,880 Hello, Meg. 579 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,960 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Hello! 580 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,800 Meg, you're not really in heaven, are you? 581 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,440 You're on holiday because you thought, 582 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,840 "Hey, I don't need to do Uncloaked. I'll go on me hols!" 583 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,480 Who needs heaven anyway, when you've got the sea anyway? 584 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,960 No-one needs it, do they? 585 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Thank you so much for joining us. 586 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Now, Meg, going back to the video of you finding out who the Traitors 587 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,080 were, you seemed a little bit more surprised than Jonny was. 588 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,280 at who the Traitors were. 589 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,200 In fact, I think there was a big gasp for every single name. 590 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,680 Yeah, to be fair, like, I just had no idea at all, to be honest, ever. 591 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,800 I was always wrong. 592 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,360 Everyone I said, I was like, "No, not that one." 593 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,480 Or just, I'd have a new theory every day. 594 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Just, in the end, I just went with it, to be honest. 595 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,440 Went with my gut, and that was that. 596 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,240 Even when you were in the dungeon with two Traitors, 597 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,800 so you're obviously in there with Andrew, who was a Faithful, 598 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000 and then Paul and Ash, who were both Traitors, 599 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,680 you had all day in that dungeon with them, 600 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,360 did you start to suss out anything about them while you were in there? 601 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,680 Um, yeah. 602 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,240 To be fair, you do kind of start to... When you're vulnerable, 603 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,720 like, you're most vulnerable, they are as well in there. 604 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,400 It was quite a quite a complicated day, that, but, yeah, 605 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,160 it was just really unpleasant 606 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,520 and we all were in it together at that point. 607 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600 But also, you know that they were kind of sussing you out as much 608 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,560 as you were trying to suss them out. And under conditions like that, 609 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,280 I just feel like none of it was accurate, to be honest, none of it. 610 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,320 Now, suspicion was building against you, Meg. 611 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,240 I think, you know, maybe your cards were numbered 612 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,680 even before you got murdered. There was a lot of suspicion 613 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,880 building up, especially as you were in the dungeon. 614 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,160 They thought you might have been the Traitor who'd put herself in there. 615 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:46,560 Now, Diane certainly had her laser-guided sights set on you. 616 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,960 Let's have a little reminder of what Diane said. 617 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,760 Hi, gorgeous. You OK? Yes, absolutely. 618 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,960 So if I go tomorrow, which I will do tonight, 619 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,920 these are your Traitors, OK? 620 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,200 Oh, God, here we go. 621 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,480 I know you don't want to know what I've got to say, but honestly, 622 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280 I think Ash, Meg and Anthony are Traitors. 623 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,560 You think Meg? OK? I have thought for a few days. 624 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,640 There we go. That is the place any Traitors player would be fearful of. 625 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,120 But Meg and Anthony, she's... Again, Diane's had something 626 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,400 against Anthony from the beginning of the whole game. 627 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,280 But why do you think you had any suspicion building up against you, 628 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,800 Meg, what was it? I mean, I'll be honest, 629 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,200 I was quite quiet in there at multiple points. 630 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,480 There were a lot bigger personalities than me, 631 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,200 and at points, I just thought, "Actually, it's probably better 632 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,920 "to just keep my gob shut than open it." 633 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,560 But maybe in certain moments I should have talked more. 634 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,200 But in general, I just never knew, because they were voting people 635 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,800 that talked too much... Exactly. 636 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,480 ..and they were weighing people up that didn't talk at all. 637 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,360 So, you know, you never know how to be in there. 638 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,760 It was always very complicated, 639 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,800 and I just decided to just be on the back burner 640 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,440 and watch it all happen, to be honest. 641 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,000 Thank you both so much for coming on. 642 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,360 You're absolutely amazing players. It's a delight to meet you 643 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:58,120 and we're sorry to say goodbye to you so early. 644 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,320 Big round of applause for Jonny and Megan. 645 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,240 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 646 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,480 OK, Danny and Amanda, I'm going to get some predictions from you now. 647 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,760 You two, keep quiet, 648 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,680 just in case you've got privileged information, OK? Zip it. 649 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,640 Now, what do you think's going to happen in tomorrow night's show? 650 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,080 We've obviously... 651 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,520 There's three people who could potentially be murdered. 652 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,000 Who did we think it was going to be? 653 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,120 I think... Well, I think if they go for Charlotte, 654 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,120 it's going to disrupt the whole sort of... That's the smart move. 655 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,080 Yeah, smart move, and there'll be no sort of links 656 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,840 which is just going to get everyone talking then, and it's like 657 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,920 a little firework going off in there, isn't it? 658 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,840 Do you think they're going to get better at catching Traitors? 659 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,760 They've obviously got one, but then they started to talk about, 660 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,240 "We've got Ash. We can catch more Traitors now, 661 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,960 "keep that momentum going." And then they banished Jonny. Yeah. 662 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 I think they get ahead of themselves so no, I don't. 663 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,520 You don't? No, I don't. I think we're going to see the Traitors 664 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,120 get away with a little bit more. 665 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,520 I think Harry might come under suspicion of it. 666 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,320 Do you? Yeah, I do. 667 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,720 Because although he's down now, I think the way he reacted, 668 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,440 people are going to... 669 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,760 There's a little, you know, seed been sown there 670 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,880 and you watch it grow. Yeah. I honestly think... 671 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,480 Do you think people are going to start saying that was guilt? 672 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,720 Yeah, and I think if he does come up on that table, 673 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,040 Paul is just going to throw him under the bus. Oh, 100%, yeah. 674 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,320 He's not going to protect him. 675 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,880 But that's the very, very... That's the really lovely thing 676 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,680 about this show, is that when they find a Traitor, 677 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,600 very exciting, you're rooting for them. 678 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,120 And then when the Traitors get away with it, it's delicious, isn't it? 679 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,400 Now, here's something very exciting. 680 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,000 You've heard our guests' predictions, but do you agree? 681 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,760 Well, now you can play along at home 682 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,960 with our brand-new BBC Traitors Predictor game. 683 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520 You can find it at... 684 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,880 ..and you can predict what's going to happen in the next episode. 685 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,120 And of course, Episode 6 of the Traitors hits BBC One 686 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,520 and iPlayer at 9pm on Friday, with apparently, I've just been told 687 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,880 on my iPad... No, don't! ..a very tense cliffhanger ending. 688 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,760 Shock, horror! 689 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,840 Every episode's a cliffhanger ending! 690 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,240 Can you cope, Danny? I can't cope, no! 691 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,360 God! Danny, Amanda, Jonny and Meg, thank you so much for joining us. 692 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,800 You've been absolutely amazing. 693 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600 But there's so much more that I want to keep talking to you about. 694 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,880 So we keep going on BBC Sounds. 695 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,200 We will have plenty more chat with these guys. 696 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,000 But for now from Traitors Uncloaked, 697 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,840 I'll see you after the next episode. I've been Ed Gamble. Stay faithful. 57463

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