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Welcome to the Traitors Uncloaked, hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

It's the official visualised podcast.

We are going to be talking about everything that unfolded

in the first week of The Traitors, so spoiler alert!

If you have not seen the first three episodes of The Traitors,

go to BBC iPlayer now and watch them.

We get the exclusive moment that Aubrey and Sonja

found out just who those dastardly Traitors are.

They'll both be here, along with Kyra, to tell us

all about their experience on the show.

And I'm joined by Tom, the magician, from season one,

and the amazing Stacey Dooley -

we've made them sound like they're a magic act together! -

to dissect all the action from episodes one, two and three

of our brand-new series.

Welcome, Stacey. Welcome, Tom. Thank you so much for joining me

on the first episode of The Traitors Uncloaked.

Delighted to be here, Ed. I'm very excited. We're very excited to have you here. I've got the glass,

all the gear. Cheers! And we've got the crew here as well. That's right.

Crew, make a noise.

CREW WHOOP

Now, Stacey, Tom, there is so much to unpack from week one.

We've, of course, got to do a proper appraisal of all of our Traitors.

And Tom, very important, especially for episode three,

we have got to talk about secret relationships,

but first we need to talk about that cliffhanger ending

from episode three. Here's a reminder.

She's really poorly performed as a Traitor,

and, if you poorly perform,

then there's consequences.

I've gone for Ash.

It's only day two of the Round Table

and it's already so rough, you know?

CLAUDIA: Ash, Brian, you have six votes each.

So for the final vote, Anthony.

THEY GROAN

Tense.

So tense! Fuming!

What... I mean, what went on at that Round Table?

That was... That was insane.

Genius tactical moves, I think, went on at that table. Yeah.

I love it, I think they did really good. You love it now...

You love it now you're not involved in it. Exactly!

Now I'm not in the castle, fantastic!

But I think they did some great gameplay.

I'm really hoping, right, that Brian gets banished... Yeah.

..so that Ash stays so she can have it out with the two lads

when they're back in the Traitor area, you know what I mean?

I'd be fuming! I cannot imagine how awkward that's going to be. The drama will be sensational,

and I'm all for it. Yeah. I'd love to see that too.

She didn't look happy when they were sat at the Round Table. Course!

So what will she do if she ends up going back to the turret?

Well, you're not allowed to sort of... You're not allowed to use violence, I imagine.

Do they make you sign some kind of... I think that's life - you're not allowed to use violence.

Yeah, I think the letter of the law does apply in The Traitors.

Bang both of their heads together. We should talk about Brian.

Love his art. I know. Here's my question. What happened to him?

Shush, Brian.

ED LAUGHS

Oh! Just stop talking. What a sweetheart.

It was like he couldn't stop,

and it was unravelling and it was getting worse and worse.

We do have a clip just to remind ourselves of Brian's moment...

Oh, Brian. ..moment in the sun.

Can I have a really selfish moment?

Um... I'll try and be quick cos I realise this was going to end soon,

so that's why I wanted to say something.

Is there anyone else here that thinks,

or is verging towards I am or amn't? STACEY: Oh...

I would like to hear maybe more towards that I amn't.

What's hap...? What's happening?

Oh, sorry, sorry. What's happening?

Paul said, "What's happened?" ED GROANS

But when you cut to the Traitors and they're confused,

even though this is a golden moment for them,

even they're going, "Brian, stop it, man. Don't do this." Yeah.

"Like, we're not even on your side, but what are you doing?"

Oh, bless him. Oh!

I was enjoying the use of the word "amn't". Are we am or are we amn't?

Yeah, or "amn't I?" Oh, I know.

Which, you know, I'd not heard before, but I've looked it up

and apparently it's a very Scottish turn of phrase. Oh, really?

So we're all learning something. Fine, OK. Yeah. Fine, fine, fine.

Well done, Brian, on that front, at least. Yeah, slip it in this pod.

Can't wait for that to be the new

catchphrase in season three.

THEY CHUCKLE

So, if Brian does survive this vote,

do we think he's got long left after this?

I think, if he survives, I think he's got more chance.

Do you? Yeah, yeah.

Cos this... What happens is, for some reason, the other person

instantly gets assumed to be Faithful. Interesting.

I don't know why, you just sort of go,

"Oh, we are so sorry, Brian. I'm sorry that we even went for you."

And I think, if he can get through this one,

I think he could end up doing really well,

and it may be down to the Traitors to, unfortunately, murder him.

Let's talk about the Round Table in episode two briefly.

Now, Diane screaming "Yes!" at the top of her voice

when Sonja was banished was an odd move, I'd say.

Yeah. Diane is terrifying.

I can imagine Diane on the phone telling someone she's got

a particular set of skills. Oh, my... Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, fully.

It's that vibe. "I will get Ross back no matter the cost."

If Ross gets kidnapped! It's that vibe!

Well, look, we're talking about Diane.

We've now got to talk about the absolutely huge revelation

in episode three, that we do have a secret familial relationship

in this series of The Traitors.

Oh, I love 'em! Diane and Ross, mother and son,

or, as we're calling them on Uncloaked, Diana Ross.

Yes, as we should. Diana Ross! Yep, perfect. As we should.

You started this, Tom! You must be proud. I know. Caused right havoc!

Do you know what, there was part of me hoping there wouldn't be another couple,

but everyone think there's a couple just to watch everyone go a bit crazy. Yeah.

Because being in there the first season, I thought there would be

other couples in there and I made myself go crazy.

I thought Will and Theo were brothers.

I thought Andrea and Nicky were mother and daughter. I...

Honestly, I went crazy. So I sort of did want them to go through that,

and so I am very happy that they are.

So let's remind ourselves of a few little breadcrumbs

that were dropped earlier in the week.

So I have to ask the question, what made you apply for this?

Funnily enough, my, um...my mum put me up for it, actually.

I think you need to be very careful about voting for people

that other people are OK with,

cos then you'll be challenged.

Seriously.

I liked it as well, Ed.

You know, there's that line where he's a bit sarky and he goes,

"Oh, my mum does a dud roast dinner." Yeah, brilliant! I know!

Is he flying a bit too close to the sun now? Oh...

Do you know what, it's funny, it's one of those things, "highlight it to hide it."

We say in magic, "highlight it to hide it." And so, do you know what, I think, by highlighting that,

it just is so ridiculous that that would be the case.

So, no, I think he's actually done a really smart line there.

I mean, do you think they'll get caught out at any point?

I think they'll never figure it out because subconsciously -

I was saying this to you, wasn't I, Tom? - when a mother and a son

have very different accents, you just don't...

..you don't imagine... There's no connection.

Yeah, cos my mum's really Scouse

and obviously we were all born down here, so...

Yeah, I think that's what... ..sometimes people are surprised when they hear your mum's

got a totally different accent to you. So they might get away with it. Yeah.

Playing in their favour a lot - they don't look alike, they don't sound alike. Yeah.

That's what you need. You need something that doesn't connect you at all. Yeah.

Mine was my girlfriend was well out of my league, so no connection whatsoever.

So, as long as they haven't got a connection, which they have,

yeah, I think they could do very well from that. Yeah.

What advantage do you think they can get from it, though?

How do you think it's going to play out in their favour if they keep it secret?

You'll know. What's funny is, like, the logic would be that they can,

like, hear different stories come together. That was completely mine and Alex's logic.

But I tell you what, it is hard to have a... You don't have moments

to yourself and there's always someone else in the room

and you're too scared to, like, code something across to someone.

I mean, you saw a brief moment where the mum was subtly saying

to Ross, "You know, this could happen," and there was other people there, like. Yeah. Yeah.

So I don't... It sounds all great going in there with someone you know,

but I tell you what, you have significantly more anxiety 24/7

cos you're not just worrying about yourself, you're worrying about someone else as well. Yeah.

So, as much as it could be an advantage, after going through it,

it could very much be a disadvantage.

I think it makes it a less cool experience, though,

being like, "I'm going to be on The Traitors!"

Then go, "Oh, I'm going on with my mum."

"She's coming." Well, I think she's a badass mum to go on there as well.

"My mum's coming!" Yeah, yeah. Definitely.

I know it's hard to say because it's retrospective, but do you think there would ever be a world

where you would have voted for Alex or she would have voted for you?

100%. Um...

CREW LAUGH

I've thought about this. I've thought about this very heavily.

My dream would have been to be made a Traitor, right?

Yeah. And I wouldn't have voted for her as such, maybe,

but I would have told everyone that she was my girlfriend,

and then I would have murdered her myself. And then I would come in the next day going,

"Who's killed her?! I'm coming for you!" You know?

Oh, so you never would have been suspected. Exactly.

Gameplay. Gameplay.

Well, with Diane and Ross, I think, if that was the situation,

even if it's just voting for each other,

I think Diane would vote for him immediately.

Straight away. Diane would just take him out, sniper.

He wouldn't even know it's happened. "Silly boy, you're out."

Yeah. Sorry, Ross. He wouldn't even hear the shot. Yeah.

So obviously there was a call-back to series one in episode one

of this series where Claudia made them do the line-up

outside the castle again. Yeah.

CLAUDIA: OK, players, I need you to listen to me.

You think you know how this game works.

You don't.

# Cross my heart and hope to die

# Welcome to my dark side. #

As if we'd do the same thing!

Get in the castle, off you go! ALL: Oh!

Woo!

It was presented like a fun thing, but that will be in their heads now.

Oh, most definitely.

Claudia is very good at playing this game. Yeah.

Like, she's playing the game just as much as everyone else, I feel like.

She really has a lot of control over you when you're in there.

Yeah, she's got right in their heads with that.

She said, on series one, there was a moment, right,

where you're all round the Round Table

and someone says, in the gallery,

and it was at a real sort of monumental moment,

and they said, "Claud, just watch the way you're breathing

"because your breathing's changed."

Like that's how invested she is, you know what I mean? Wow. Mm.

Like, if she gives off any hints, if she looks at one player a bit

too much... Yeah. Is it not hard enough presenting an absolutely

massive show without... I know! ..the director going...

"..Sorry, Claudia, your breathing.

"Your breathing's wrong." "Just stop breathing." "Your breathing's off."

"Your outfits are fantastic, but your breathing's off,

"so, if you could just look at that, that'd be great."

"You're blinking too much." "It's the fringe! It's the fringe!"

Bless her!

So, in episode one, we also saw Claudia do the Traitors pick.

Mm-hm. Very, very important moment. Yeah.

She picked Ash, Harry and Paul. Yeah.

How are we feeling about that?

Harry obviously licked his lips, so he's looking forward to it.

Harry's delighted.

I mean, Paul is...

..up until now, the perfect Traitor. Mm.

Like, everyone adores him.

He's sort of... You know, he's one of the most popular boys.

Yeah. He's playing it so well, isn't he? And he's so, like, ruthless.

He's just quite savage. So, yeah, I think he could do very well.

Wouldn't it be good to sort of rank the level of the suspicion

each Traitor has on some sort of format point slash prop? Yeah.

I'd love that. Oh, that'd be sensational.

Well, would you believe we have the mechanism to do that?

This is the Traitors Scoreboard Of Suspicion.

Wow. Ooh! Here it is. Look at that. Stunning. Love it.

If you're just listening on BBC Sounds, we've got a very,

very expensive and beautiful prop.

It looks really pricey, actually. Yeah, really pricey.

And if you're watching this, you know that we're lying, so...

That's blown the budget.

Here's how this works. It's very complicated,

so please listen to all of the rules on how this goes.

Red, loads of suspicion. Mm-hm.

Blue, not much suspicion. Fine.

So let's talk through them one by one.

First of all, we've got cheeky chappy Harry.

Yeah, no-one's suspecting Harry.

I'd put him quite far down, to be honest.

Diane suspected him quite early on, though, didn't she?

At the Round Table, Diane... Oh, yes! But that's Diane.

Oh, yeah, and she is scary.

Diane's in a league of her own, as we've established.

So Diane suspected Harry at the Round Table.

I think she said she felt him trembling... His breath change.

Or his breath change. And Zack. Yeah.

Sort your breath out, Harry.

THEY LAUGH

But it's just Diane at the moment, so where do you think we should put

Harry on the Traitors Scoreboard Of Suspicion? Quite far down.

Oh, yeah, I do agree. Not right at the bottom.

But he's definitely in the blue, isn't he? Yeah. He's in the blue.

Mid blue? Mid blue. Yeah, put him there, Ed.

Mid blue. Mid blue. Mid blue. He's chilling out.

What about Paul?

Oh, we love Paul. Lovely Paul is loving killing people.

He described it as "eating a bit of dark chocolate."

Yeah, he did. Yeah. He's so safe, isn't he?

I'd put him like half a centimetre below Harry.

Half a centimetre below Harry. We're going to put him here?

Yeah, there, Ed. There. That's it. I like that. There he is.

I'm with you on that. So we've got Miles next.

Now, Miles is, of course, our first recruited Traitor. Mm-hm.

A brilliant recruit. Do you think he was a good recruit?

Everyone adores Miles. Sensational. Oh, I love Miles.

I'd say he's even lower than Paul, to be honest. I think he might even be lower than Paul.

I think he comes in, he gives such positive, lovable energy. Yeah.

I think maybe we then have to shuffle Harry and Paul up a tiny bit... Agreed.

..to put Miles below them. There we are. No, this is up to you, guys. There we go.

Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, there's no heat on him at all, is there?

There is no heat on Miles. I think you're right about that.

Now, what do you think we're going to do with Ash?

Oh, I like Ash, but... I wanted Ash to do really well as well.

This is the annoying thing. She's in the rouge.

She is. She's in the rouge. Yeah.

She's very far in the rouge, I think. Put her right up there,

top right. Right up there, top of the rouge?

BOTH: Yeah, top of that rouge.

Oh! God love her, aw! That was brutal.

So sorry, Ash.

So that is how things stand after episode three.

We will obviously return to the Traitors Scoreboard Of Suspicion

for episode four to see how things have changed.

But while we wait for more episodes, we've got an exclusive slice

of action. This is very, very exciting. So I don't know about you,

I've always wondered, when someone's banished or murdered,

what happens when they find out who the Traitors are?

Well, here on Uncloaked, we get to be a fly on the wall

for those very moments.

So this is an extra bit that you get nowhere else. Yes!

This was recorded in Scotland

the day after Aubrey and Sonja left the castle.

And first thing on the agenda,

Aubrey finds out that Sonja has been banished

and if she was a Traitor or a Faithful.

Aubrey! Oh, Sonja!

Lovely to see you! Come here.

Aw, fancy them getting rid of you!

They've got rid of the best.

So, Sonja, I think you could be a Traitor cos you're very smart,

you're very intelligent, you know how to play it.

But I think you were a Faithful.

Well, Aubrey, I was...

..a Faithful.

There you go. I was right.

You could be a Traitor too. You were right, then.

Have you got any suspicions who you think the Traitors are?

I'm only saying Ash because of her reaction

to my little light-hearted joke. At breakfast, I said,

"Oh, hi, Ash. By the way, are you a Traitor? Ha-ha-ha!"

Went and got my melon, and she was like, "Oh!"

But anyway, and then... But it could...

There's so many of them, you could say it's like sticking a needle in a haystack. Yeah, it is.

Let's go for it, Aubrey.

Oh, the tension.

The first Traitor is...

Yes?

..Ash.

Whoa!

Well done. Whoa!

Good, I made it.

I'm really glad I had that little joke.

I can see now why she looked so horrified at my little joke.

Because I was right.

I love it.

Did you have any suspicions?

I didn't suspect it at all.

No. No, I didn't. No.

Right then, brace yourself.

Harry.

No!

Lovely Harry.

I would have never expected him at all.

No. That's another one I've not spoken to.

Well, he's a sensitive guy, he's delightful. Yeah, lovely man.

And, yes, fancy that. I didn't get any inkling.

Are you ready? Yes, I'm ready.

Miles.

Miles.

Well, fancy that.

Didn't feel that at all.

I'm not surprised.

Oh! But he did say to me, "Oh, you're very quiet."

Right. There's just...

There was just something between me and him.

Is there one more fold in that paper, Aubrey?

There is one more. Have you got a clue?

Well, I'd be ever so impressed if it was Ross.

Ross? Well, because I guessed Ross as well.

But I don't really think Paul.

I think he's just a really nice person. But let's see.

Paul. Oh, Paul!

Hey. Yes, thank you very much.

I was wrong on all counts. Because I got three.

I mean, well eliminated, then, hey, me, really?

As much as I like Diane. Yes.

I thought she was fab.

I was convinced and I thought to myself I wouldn't have trusted

her at the end at all. Really? She would... Yes, she'd have

got rid of me. Yeah.

Well, Paul, I still think he probably is a really nice guy.

Yeah, he is. But maybe he was being super extra special nice.

I'm really quite pleased.

I think I'm being a bit smug here.

So you should be. Woo.

Killed by the melon in the breakfast room works.

I'm going to be less strategic, if ever I do anything like this again,

I'm going to just go around pointing my melons at people.

And they're here with us right now. CHEERING

Please welcome to Uncloaked, Aubrey and Sonja. Hi.

Welcome. Hello. Here we are. Thank you.

Can I just say I'm absolutely gutted you two left us so quickly.

Thank you. Thank you. You were absolutely fantastic players.

Yeah, we're gutted, aren't we? Aren't we gutted? Devastated.

Aubrey,

I feel like you would have had so many looks packed in your case.

Yeah! They missed such a treat.

And we missed that look. I know, what a shame. The biggest loss to the show, I'd say.

Correct. I would agree. Yeah. Exactly.

Well, we're very glad you could come on Uncloaked and show us one

of the looks certainly. Actually, I didn't take this one.

These are all new. Oh! This is...wow. Stunning. 10/10. Fresh looks.

You both seem quite shocked with the, with the reveal

of the Traitors.

Aubrey, you in particular, you said at the beginning of the process

that you were a very observant person, but every,

every single one seems to have surprised you.

Yeah, I didn't suspect any of them at all.

Not one. Who did you think the Traitors were?

Charlotte.

Andrew.

And I think I said Miles.

I mean, you nearly got one of them.

Whereas, Sonja, two out of four there. Yeah, well eliminated, really. Yes.

So absolutely no ageism. No sexism.

It was a good strategic move.

I was a guided missile.

Yeah.

Although I was having a real problem trying to get my kind of, you know,

get my aggression in because they were all so nice.

So... To your face.

Yeah, exactly. They were very nice.

And I thought, oh, I'm having a problem trying to, like, get mad with anybody.

I had a go at shooting their pictures with my fingers.

Well, that was a real moment. It worked, it worked.

It was fantastic. Watching you walk into there, into the dining

room, and just privately just shooting them.

I'm ready for you guys. Yeah.

And then I thought, nah, they're too nice.

So, yeah. But I think you hit the nail on the head there

in that video we just saw where you said Paul is probably

a nice guy, but he's being extra special nice.

He did. He went up a level,

like on steroids nice, you know, and, actually,

now that we've seen the pictures of him, the way

he smiled was ridiculous.

It was smug.

You know, he was like, look at me. Don't hold anything back.

How were the breakfasts? That's what we want to know.

Cold. I mean, you didn't get one, did you, Aubrey? I did. I did get that.

Did you think that? Disappointed. Stale.

It was disappointing. Wasn't it?

I was expecting one of the things,

oh, this lovely buffet in the morning.

You were lucky if you got a cup of coffee. Mm.

When you got it, it was cold.

Tom told me the tea was lukewarm. Lukewarm.

Well, yeah... Well fed. We had our porridge beforehand. Lots of melons, weren't there?

Good, yeah. Lots of melons for me, thank goodness. Just to remind you,

this is The Traitors: Uncloaked and not Four In A Bed.

Like, for the last year, I've been on a major diet and lost

nearly 30 kilos. Well done, you.

So I thought, I am only going to eat melon on this programme

because it looked like there was lots of nice breakfasts.

So, and then melon became my secret weapon.

So, yeah. I think, Aubrey, you had the honour

of being the first murdered player. Yeah.

How did that feel? Did it sort of feel like a compliment in a way?

When I did get the letter,

"You've been murdered," I was a bit surprised.

Yeah. I was a little bit surprised, but it doesn't matter.

How did it feel at that breakfast on you when Aubrey

didn't come in? Oh, she was in tears.

Oh, I was.

It was so disappointing because we'd met

on the train, hadn't we?

You know, on the train, on the way, you kind of form a bond.

Very luxurious train.

Oh, it was a lovely train. Yeah.

It was so nice. No Thameslink for you. Yeah. Yeah.

It was so nice all the way there.

Yeah. You quite forget that you're actually being filmed then.

We had such a lovely chat, we'd bonded and, because we're both

of a certain age, people had said, "Oh, yeah, Mr and Mrs."

You know, they'd kind of put us together.

So we just, we had a lovely time. Can't shake her off.

And I couldn't...

LAUGHTER

I think... I'm like a piece of chewing gum stuck to his shoe now.

..there's a TV future for you two. I feel like some sort of travel show.

I'm already going in a camper van with her. Are you? Yeah. Camper van.

Let's get someone to film this. Oh, let's do it.

This needs to be a travel show.

Yeah, we're going on tour, aren't we? We are. Yeah.

Camper van this series, next series is barges. BOTH: Yeah.

Oh, it's a win-win. Yeah, can't wait. This is great.

I was devastated, it was my mate early on,

and I just couldn't believe it.

But I knew why. Because he was... You are so bright.

And you had given a lot of opinion... I weren't that bright because I didn't get any of them!

But you did... I probably would have sussed them out.

You did walk around a few times saying, "I'm very sure I know

"who's the Traitors."

And even though you didn't, they thought you did. Exactly.

Yeah. That's a dangerous game to play, Aubrey. Exactly.

Did the group dynamic change after Aubrey had gone, would you say?

Well, I think it was nerve-racking.

You know, I think people, because he was so nice and so capable

and I think it was like - anybody can go.

If Aubrey can go, anybody can go.

And I think people couldn't decide whether to be extra friendly

and noisy or to try and shrink in the background.

Some people definitely went quiet after Aubrey went

because they didn't want to be noticed.

I should have actually taken note of that.

Aubrey, this is an important question I wanted to ask you.

How's Luther Vandross doing?

He's not happy that I've come here today. He's fine.

He'll have fun because the door flap's open now all night long so he

can go in and out as he pleases. When I'm at home,

after 7:00, once he's in, he's in.

So he's got, you know, he can be out with his mates tonight.

He can do whatever he likes.

Is it weird that I imagine him dressed exactly like you?

Oh, very similar. Hat, yeah, yeah. Oh. Do you know what?

Luther is the most glamorous cat.

He wouldn't be there if he wasn't. Long, black hair,

this big curly black tail. I rescued him.

Did either of you suspect Kyra, at any point?

Not at all, no.

And I'm sorry Kyra went.

But Kyra is young but was really strong and resilient.

And she really rallied the troops on that pontoon

that I was on with her. Yeah. She was just amazing.

Ridiculous. She wouldn't, she wouldn't, you know, take no for an answer.

I thought she was just admirable.

Let's remind ourselves of Kyra's murder in episode three. Aw.

Kyra is the biggest voice in the room.

She's very commandeering, yeah.

After today, she won over everyone.

Yes. At the table.

She's intimidating because she's such a good player.

She's more dangerous.

I think, for me, I maybe didn't strike the balance

particularly well in the sense that I was too outspoken.

And I think obviously that was intimidating.

But then one thing I did say when I was selected as a Faithful,

I'm going to authentically be myself.

And I think that I did that.

So I have no regrets.

And she joins us on the pod now. It's Kyra.

CHEERING AND WHISTLING

Welcome, Kyra. We're very sorry to see you murdered.

Of course. I know.

Now, you thought you were murdered because you were too outspoken.

And it seems like, from what the Traitors were saying,

that that was the case.

Yeah, like, I, after the first Round Table,

I thought, "Shit, done too much."

Many people didn't actually even say anything.

And I think that is also a problem.

But like I said, I had no regrets because I said what I had to say.

Yeah.

So, if you were to go and do it again, you wouldn't go

in like deliberately shyer or quieter?

Erm, I think, if I had to go do it again, I'd be a Traitor.

Be a bit more convincing of displaying my ideas

about, to Claudia in terms of wanting to be actually a Traitor.

Because I think before I'd gone in actually my sister had made me

a bit scared, she's like, "You're going to be unemployable afterwards."

LAUGHTER

It's the opposite.

She's like, "Yeah, don't, don't go full throttle, like."

So I was a bit on edge about even being a Traitor.

Of course I wanted to be because it's like, you know,

you have the, you have the ball in your hands. Yeah. But...

Guys, imagine... If your sister's saying, if you go full throttle,

you'll be unemployable.

Yeah, like. I'm quite glad we didn't see you at full throttle then.

So, once I got selected as a Faithful, I was like, you know what?

I feel like I'm just going to say what I have to say.

Do what I want to do. And, yeah. Yeah.

Do you think you would have sussed out the Traitors

if you'd been in for a little bit longer?

Because, of course, at one of the Round Tables, you voted Sonja

as a Traitor.

Yeah, I think, with Sonja, unfortunately,

like we said,

you was a Faithful.

Yeah. But sloppy game play.

Like you was acting like a Traitor.

And I think, I think... But I think it's such a, like,

high pressure environment.

So it's like people pick up on anything

and, because it was so early on,

unfortunately, the mishaps that you had made, it made you look so...

It just, it made you look so bad and guilty.

So it's just like, yeah, obviously I had to go with what I had,

but I knew that Ash was a Traitor.

Yeah. Well, I suspected that Ash was a Traitor after the first challenge.

Yeah, for sure.

I think, if one thing is becoming clearer by talking about it, Ash

really is doing a dreadful job.

THEY EXCLAIM

She is! Everyone can see she's a Traitor.

Now, obviously, I want to ask all three of you this

because we've had a big revelation in episode three about Diane

and Ross and their relationship, mother and son.

We call them Diana Ross on Uncloaked. Oh, that's great.

What's your, what's your reaction to that?

How do you feel about that? Is that a shock to you?

Kyra, let's start with you. I was so blown away because I was really close with Diane.

So it was just like, I was on the train with them and like I said

I was really close with her. So I was so shocked.

But then when Ross actually took off his glasses, I was like, no,

I can see it. Like, his glasses are literally a disguise.

I think. They're not real glasses?

No, they are, but they just, they just make him look less...

..make them look less alike. Yeah.

When he takes off his glasses, they look like mother and son.

But even the pool theory, I thought, yeah, could be.

I think people were just maybe, like, stereotyping ginger...

Because of the first series, were you guys like

trying to see couples and make connections?

Absolutely. Yeah.

I was looking for romantic connections like yours

and anything, really.

Yeah, any kind of connection.

I was looking for brothers, sisters, anything.

Aubrey, what did you think when you found out about Diane and Ross?

Diana Ross. I didn't know anything, obviously, till

I got home, basically.

And Diane, when it had all finished,

you know, on the WhatsApp thing,

she just said, "I've got something to tell you."

And she sent me this picture at a house.

She's standing at the door, it's Christmas-time, and Ross

is standing next to her.

And I thought, well, he soon got himself, you know, up there

sort of thing.

I didn't realise they were that close. Friendly, yeah.

Very friendly.

You know, I couldn't believe it. And then she says, "It's my son."

I was just flabbergasted...

I couldn't believe it.

I was shocked.

I got no clue whatsoever in the, in the show at all.

Brilliant move. Yeah, so good. Yeah, it was great. Well, we'll see.

We'll see how it works out for them, whether they can use

it to their advantage on... Another hidden couple.

How do you feel now, now that you know who the Traitors are?

In terms of the actual Traitors,

I'm really shocked about Paul, if I'm honest. Mm.

Like genuinely for how the relationships

that he had with everyone in there.

I think, even when I was there, they asked me, "Who would you trust

"with like your prized possessions?"

I said Paul, or like Miles. It was either one of them.

So, yeah, I was really shocked by that.

But then I think Miles was also like, erm, one that I was shocked

about as well because I was quite close to him and he's like, quite love him.

We can talk more about that.

We've got so much more to unpack with these three, but we're going

to keep going on BBC Sounds.

We haven't asked them about the WhatsApp group.

Want to hear more about that or who they would have murdered

if they were Traitors.

So we're going to keep going on BBC Sounds now with our extended

episode and, if you reckon you can think like a Traitor or vote

like your fellow Faithful, then make sure you play along at home

with the BBC's brand-new Traitors

predict a game at...

I'll be back here on Wednesday straight after episode four

of The Traitors or catch up on iPlayer at your own pace.

Big thanks to Stacey, Tom, Aubrey, Sonja and Kyra for coming on.

CHEERING

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.