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In today's hearing,
the government

is not dealing with thestandard playground pusher.

These men represent a new
form of organized crime,

totally different from
our previous notions.

Tim Scully was not partof the psychedelic scene.

He was the psychedelic scene.

TIM SCULLY: I wasn't interestedin personally making money.

I thought that
what we were doing

was really important, tryingto change the consciousness

of the world in a positive way.

But we all know who is
number one in this case.

It is Nicholas Sand.

NICHOLAS SAND: I was consideredsome kind of mad man,

psychedelic commando.

Because I'd go anywhere, doanything for psychedelics.

We are talking now aboutpeople responsible for producing

millions of doses of
hallucinogenic drugs.

And they are proud of it.

NICHOLAS SAND: If could turnon everyone in the world, then

maybe we'd have a new
world of peace and love.

Call it whatever
you want to call it.

They all ended up in one thing,the degradation of mankind.

The degradation of society.

NICHOLAS SAND: We had the samedesire to risk our freedom,

and be what we thought
were American patriots.

Hey, partner.

Good to see you, man.

Too long, eh?

Yeah.

I think we're
supposed to go in.

I think so.

Nice Panama hat.

It's getting a little
worn around the edges,

just like the rest of us.

Great seeing you, man.

Yeah.

Hey, you look good.

You look great, man.

TIM SCULLY: I didn't know NickSand when I first took acid.

Totally losing that hair.

TIM SCULLY: It was
early 1965 and it

wasn't that easy to find yet.

[music playing]

I found A fellow IN San
Francisco who had some.

We built a fire
in the fire place

and took it in the evening.

NICHOLAS SAND: I was
kind of a wild kid.

I'd grown up on the
streets of New York.

My first experience withtaking acid changed everything.

I had very good friends
who were a couple.

We went up to their lake houseretreat in Mahopac, New York.

As the sun went down wetook our capsules of LSD.

TIM SCULLY: I was nervous whenI first swallowed the acid.

I knew that the experiencecould be very terrifying.

Ordinary things could become
very ominous and scary.

But I knew also that it
could be transcendent.

And of course I washoping for transcendence.

NICHOLAS SAND: I sat
in front of the fire,

nude in the lotus position.

I just wanted to be naked.

I didn't want to be
encumbered by clothing.

TIM SCULLY: Everything
that I looked at

seemed to have a
life of its own.

There's a mantle piece
under the fireplace.

The fabric on my pants
that I was wearing.

Yeah.

This is it.

NICHOLAS SAND: And then itwent much further than that.

I disappeared.

I was floating in this
immense black space.

I said, what am I doing here?

TIM SCULLY: As you
get very high on acid,

that's when you get
to experience oneness.

You see the whole
universe reflected

in all the other people
that you look at.

NICHOLAS SAND: If
everybody took LSD,

the entire place would
change overnight.

People would want
to be more loving.

TIM SCULLY: The
flash that I had was

that if everybody could
share this experience,

they'd be much less likelyto be mean to each other.

To just trash the world
by using up resources

and dumping
pollutants everywhere.

We'd avoid destroying
ourselves with the tools

we've been developing.

NICHOLAS SAND: And suddenlya voice came through my body.

And it said, your
job on this planet

is to make psychedelics
and turn on the world.

Um.

It was very interesting.

TIM SCULLY: As we werecoming from the acid trip,

the world was completely
new and fresh.

Smells of the flowers andlawns were really intense.

I thought, we could
make this stuff.

We could make a lot of
it and give it away.

We could turn on everyone,everyone who wanted to.

And maybe it would
save the world.

ALICE EINHORN: With small groupsof people, you felt connected.

And in fact you were connected.

Sometimes it was
just the intensity

of what you were experiencing.

And sometimes it felt spiritual.

It was just extraordinary, andmade you think about the world

differently.

We were always friends andoff and on we were lovers.

He was sure really wonderfulto be with in many ways.

Hey!

NICHOLAS SAND: Hey, [inaudible].

ALICE EINHORN: Hola.

It's so good to see you.

Good to see you.

Today I feel great.

How are you doing?

I'm OK, especially
after seeing you.

That's just because I'mremind you of your childhood.

ALICE EINHORN: He was fullof excitement about whatever

his latest project was.

He was certainly like
that about psychedelics.

He became a sort of--
he probably would

say a psychedelic warrior.

NICHOLAS SAND: I
was on a crusade.

I wanted to turn on the world.

And that was how I first
met Billy Hitchcock.

He was a chubby, not
really smart guy.

He liked to take LSD.

And he said, you've got
to come up to Millbrook.

Come on, I want you
to meet Timothy Leary.

DR TIMOTHY LEARY: By teachingpeople how to use their head.

And in order to
use your head, you

have to go out of your mind.

[music playing]

NICHOLAS SAND:
For the first time

I found a whole communityof people interested

in psychedelic research.

Billy Hitchcock owned
the whole probably.

BILLY HITCHCOCK: Dr. Learyleased one of the houses

on the property.

We would have a populationfluctuating between 10 and 20

people working with
hallucinogenic drugs,

doing research and
experimentation.

NICHOLAS SAND: All kindsof scientists, physicists,

ecologists from all
over the world came.

And so it just became likepsychedelic [inaudible].

And so I stayed there
for a couple of years.

But I still wanted to
know the secrets of how

to produce very fine, pure LSD.

TIM SCULLY: I started makingLSD back in late 1966.

BILLY HITCHCOCK: Tim
came over to my house

sometime in the fall of 1967.

He told me that he'd
been manufacturing LSD.

TIM SCULLY: Billy's
a very charming guy.

He was a patron of thepsychedelic movement, and also

a wealthy man.

That seemed like a
pretty good recipe.

BILLY HITCHCOCK: Sand expressedan interest in meeting.

TIM SCULLY: I was
introduced to Nick Sand.

He struck me as being
ambitious, energetic.

NICHOLAS SAND: I said, Iwould really love it if you

could teach me to make LSD.

Tim and I decided that thebest way to discuss this was

to take an acid trip together.

He took a whacking
dose of about 75 mics

and I probably took more.

TIM SCULLY: I told him thatI wanted to turn on the world

and that I thought
making 200 kilos of acid

would be about right.

And that ideally we
should give it away.

NICHOLAS SAND: You know, Ithought, well that's fine.

You can give yours
away for free.

I'm not giving
mine away for free.

He's a very, very thriftydistended Scotsman.

TIM SCULLY: His comfort levelwas a lot higher than mine.

NICHOLAS SAND: He's
way cheaper than I am.

And then finally I said,
OK, come to California.

We'll work together.

[music playing]

NICHOLAS SAND: I was goingto leave for California.

And I had a feeling I needed awoman to balance my energy out.

I used to up to Millbrookfor a number of reasons.

I was kind of a horny guy, andpsychedelic chicks that could

function on my level were rare.

And there were a whole
bunch of them up there.

And Jill was there.

[music playing]

JILL HENRY: I stayed up thereworking as Billie Hancock's

governess for his stepchildren.

I was, at that time had movedinto one of the tower rooms.

Nick just appeared
in the morning,

popped out of the closet.

And just came and got in bed.

And we turned onto LSD.

NICHOLAS SAND: And shewas very, very beautiful.

I like thin chicks.

JILL HENRY: I was
in awe of his energy

and I really wanted to-- Yeah.

I mean, Nicky likes tomake love a lot, you know.

So that is important to him.

But it's almost utilitarian.

We're going to get
in trouble here.

NICHOLAS SAND: And
I said, you got

to come to Californiawith me because I'm going

to need someone to help me.

JILL HENRY: It wasn't somuch that Nicky was charming.

It was that Nicky knew
where he was going.

He had a strong
sense of his mission.

Those were the thingsthat made him attractive.

Nick thought that
he could change

consciousness of large
numbers of people

by making psychedelic drugs.

He thought that that
needed to happen.

We all did.

NICHOLAS SAND: And finally,she just decided to go with me.

And we came to the
ranch here as partners.

And she still maintainsan interest in the ranch.

Unfortunately I don't.

It was stolen from me by
the federal government.

NICHOLAS SAND: Well, I
promised you it would be

good coming out to California.

[laughter]

You got stuck here,
didn't you, Jill?

NICHOLAS SAND: I'd love forthem to film me crawling

through the attic atMillbrook and discovering you

in your room.

Yeah.

NICHOLAS SAND: Yeah, I
was with one very hot

lady before I discovered you.

JILL HENRY: She
was so beautiful.

Yeah.

But--

NICHOLAS SAND: Not
as beautiful as you.

Not as beautiful as you.

Don't even think twice about it.

ALICE EINHORN: Tim also
is very fond of women.

Getting high with him wasreally quite wonderful.

He laid out a deck of tarotcards before the LSD came on.

And then I think we madelove for most of the night.

I'd known Nick by
then for 15 years.

And he asked me afterwards, wellwhat did you think about Tim?

And I said, oh, I liked him.

He's very, very odd.

But I really liked him.

He's really bright.

But you're not going to
work together are you?

And he said, well.

And I said, good luck with that.

I mean, they just
are so different.

Why have all of the booksgot your name on them?

TIM SCULLY: That's to indicatethat it's been cataloged.

Its mysteries and
science fiction.

It's alphabetical by author.

JILL HENRY: He's unusual.

Yeah.

He does functiondifferently than most of us

in the way he relates to people.

And he does have a
touch of Asperger's.

NICHOLAS SAND: Tim was
a very persnickety guy.

Much more uptight
than I. He's a Virgo.

He's very skinny.

So we had to set
up ground rules.

As long as I didn't
transgress on his diet

of white spaghetti,
white cheese-- you know,

he liked everything white.

TIM SCULLY: I used
to eat spaghetti

with butter and cheese
on it for dinner

every night for 30 years.

Until it became
medically not possible

for me to eat it anymore.

NICHOLAS SAND: Tim was
extremely paranoid.

He thought I was just acrazy psychedelic madman.

TIM SCULLY: Nick
made a commitment

to being a lifelong psychedelicoutlaw, changing identity,

being a fugitive
from time to time.

In fact, he enjoyed pullingthe wool over people's eyes.

And I got the feeling thathe was often doing it to me.

Did he want to become
the king of LSD?

Yes.

I think so.

[music playing]

BILLY HITCHCOCK: I rememberspecifically going to have

a meeting with Sand and Scully.

They were discussing
the possibility

of acquiring lysergic acid, thestarting material to make LSD.

I suggested London, Englandas a possible source of supply

for this material.

NICHOLAS SAND: And so we pooledour resources, went to England.

TIM SCULLY: Bought the
kilo of lysergic acid,

divvied it up in
little plastic bags.

So this looks very much
like lysergic acid.

NICHOLAS SAND: One of
the things we used to do

is take advantage ofnatural hollows in the body.

So we'd always put
it in a place--

like, this was ourfavorite place to put it.

And then this
would go like that.

And once the shirt was
pulled down over it,

it would be basically invisible.

And I smuggled my half throughthe Bahamas with Alice.

Alice used to smuggle
for me all the time.

A great smuggler.

And she's like, la di da.

How are you?

Oh, aren't the birds
chirping beautifully?

And she'd like
totally distract you.

She's got that
kind of sais quoi.

She was perfect.

And then took a
speedboat to Miami.

And from there was taken byanother crew to California.

BILLY HITCHCOCK: I wasinvolved in setting up an LSD

lab with Sand and Scully.

Eventually a place was
found in November of '68

in Windsor, California.

NICHOLAS SAND: Tim
said, here's the deal.

I'll do the first
run with my material.

You do the second run
with your material.

And we'll be here
together for two weeks.

And in two weeks you needto know everything I'm doing

so that you can take over.

[music playing]

NICHOLAS SAND:Eventually I got notified

that it was my turn
to come and to meet

at a certain parking lot.

TIM SCULLY: I told Nick tochange vehicles on the way

to the lab.

NICHOLAS SAND: Get one
car to drop us off, like

at a medical building
and go out the back door

and get a rented car.

A lot of the art of making LSDinvolves not getting busted.

I got to the house in Windsor.

And Jill and I moved in.

TIM SCULLY: The
first thing I did

was draw up a flow
chart that showed

all of the steps and sequence.

TIM SCULLY: It's been a lotof years since I did this.

TIM SCULLY: LSD islysergic acid diethylamide.

And lysergic acid is the
ideal starting material.

You're pretty much
guaranteed to get

busted if you try to acquirethe chemicals and do this.

Do don't try this at home.

[music playing]

The first step is
to make something

called lithium lysergic.

NICHOLAS SAND: He
was a good friend

and he was a good teacher.

And we trusted each other.

And we all go forward onthe shoulders of the people

who went before us.

TIM SCULLY: Meanwhile,
we've previously made

something called the re-agent.

[music playing]

JILL HENRY: I was
pregnant at the time

and pretty far along actually.

We just kind of did the samething over and over every day

for, I don't know,
at least a month.

TIM SCULLY: Generally,
working in an acid lab,

you do tend to get high.

So we were in an altered state.

NICHOLAS SAND: You know,
sometimes something's

boiling over on the hot plateand you'd grab it and take it

off and you'd go, oh.

Wow.

That's hot.

Oh, no.

I just took 2,000 mics of acid.

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: Billy was
sort of a lab groupie.

He so much wanted
to come to the lab

that I let him come and workhere for a couple of days.

BILLY HANCOCK: I
worked around the lab.

I ran some reactions myself.

They were manufacturing
somewhere between three

and four million tabs.

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: We were
hoping that there

would be a really
fundamental change

in the world's consciousness.

That people would become
more responsible, able

to use technology more
wisely, able to be

gentler with the planet.

NICHOLAS SAND: We'd
work until we'd drop

and then we'd sleep
for a few hours

and get up and get at it again.

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: I went
to Billy Hitchcock

and asked him
whether he had ideas

for a distribution channel.

Because Billy had all
kinds of social contacts

all over the psychedelic scene.

And he introduced me to theBrotherhood of Eternal Love,

also known as the Hippie Mafia.

MIKE RANDALL: The
mafia rules by fear.

The Brotherhood ruled by love.

LSD made freethinkers
out of people.

The grip that allgovernments have on people

was going to probably end.

I know it sounds
ridiculously naive.

But if you've ever sat andreally seen the golden light,

and really went deep
inside yourself,

it ain't all that far out.

NICHOLAS SAND: They were
actually stickup men.

And they all dropped acid.

And they threw
their pistols away.

And they said, we're going toform the Brotherhood of Love.

And we'll be working
with psychedelics

and we won't be sticking
up people anymore.

MIKE RANDALL: Our aimwas to turn the world on.

The business arrangement betweenthe Brotherhood and Nick and

Tim was pretty straightforward.

Here's 100 grams about
acid, and there's

more where that came from.

We sold it all.

We had-- I think it was $72,000.

That's a lot of money now, butit was a huge amount of money

then.

And came back up and
delivered it to Nick.

That was it.

Now we were the
official distributors.

[music playing]

We're the ones that cameup with the name sunshine,

to this day the most
famous acid ever.

I took some acid.

Peter, what did
the acid look like?

They were these
little orange pills.

Were they barrel-shaped?

Uh, yeah.

OK, right.

You did some Orange
Sunshine, Peter.

MIKE RANDALL: So we weresmuggling all through America,

all through Europe.

You know, you have to breaksome eggs to make an omelet.

You're going to have to breaksome laws to make a revolution.

NICHOLAS SAND: They dealtmost of the Orange Sunshine.

They did a really good job.

It went all over the world.

MIKE RANDALL: India
had lots of it.

Angola and other places.

People that were smugglinghash out of Afghanistan

were bringing acid
into Afghanistan.

NICHOLAS SAND: I sent a bunchthrough different soldiers

to turn the soldiers on to ahigher way of looking at things

and not just take orders.

You get really stoned.

Then, you know, like,
who cares about the war?

[music playing]

MIKE RANDALL: We thought theworld was going to change

within five years or so.

The grass would be
growing in Manhattan.

We were in a fit of idealism.

NICHOLAS SAND: I envisionedcenters all over the world.

There would be trained
guides like myself,

taking people through
their first trip.

MIKE RANDALL: It was
a spiritual thing.

Some people say,
I believe in God.

I don't have to believe in God.

I have been one with God.

[music playing]

ALICE EINHORN: It was amazing.

We had a growing
sense of community

among equally eccentric people.

It was a lovely time.

TIM SCULLY: There was
a psychedelic nation

that was forming.

It seemed as though it
was going to work out.

MIKE RANDALL: You know,evangelists have an epiphany

a church.

We're the same, except
we were LSD evangelists.

Jesus, that's what
he was trying to do.

I think we did a
better job than Jesus.

Christians would hate me forsaying that but it's true.

We touched more souls
than-- you know,

just because it's
a modern world,

and Jesus didn't have no acid.

Did it feel that youwere turning on the world?

NICHOLAS SAND: I reallythought we were on our way.

TIM SCULLY: We guesstimated thatmaybe 3/4 of a billion people

might be willing to take acid,willing to give it a try.

What was that based on?

A guess?

Intuition.

Optimism.

Somebody in Africa
who's starving to death

might have relatively
little interest

in-- or on the other hand, theymight think it's really cool.

Who knows.

But still, we
thought that it would

be a fair shot know thatif 3/4 of a billion doses

would be not too shabby.

750 million doses, which isroughly 200 kilos of pure acid.

The next step might be 20 kilos.

And then that's sort
of what we were hoping.

[music playing]

How soon were you hoping to beable to complete your mission.

TIM SCULLY: I suppose
I was thinking in terms

of a couple years maybe.

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: When I finishedmy work in Windsor,

I wanted to learn how to fly.

After I got through the basictraining, I flew up to Napa.

When I got off the airplane,a fellow said to me,

are you Tim Scully?

And I said, yes.

And somebody else
grabbed me from behind

and put the handcuffs on.

Stay there.

TIM SCULLY: They said,
we're federal agents

and we're arresting you
on a fugitive warrant

from Denver, Colorado.

I figured that I
was in deep trouble.

[sirens]

Scully was advised ofhis constitutional rights

and transported to the BNDD
offices, San Francisco,

California for processing.

TIM SCULLY: I arrived
at the federal building,

got taken into the bookingroom where they took

my picture and my fingerprints.

I was told I could get amaximum sentence of 56 years.

I said, oh shit.

GORDON WHITE: Robert T Scully.

Male Caucasian, 23 years ofage, born on August 27, 1944.

Six foot one inches
tall, 130 pounds.

Slender build, brown
hair, hazel eyes.

GORDON WHITE: I was
the group supervisor

for the investigation
of the LSD sales

in the San Francisco area.

In 1966 LSD was kiddie dope.

In other words,
kids are using this.

The real men are using
cocaine and heroin

and those kind of drugs.

I felt it was more
dangerous because nobody

knew the outcome of wherethis thing is going to end up.

And it's causing
problems to society.

PATRICK CLARK: I wound up as ajunior agent with Gordon White

to fight the
hallucinogen traffic.

Most of these young people werethe first of the baby-boomers.

They saw a lot of
things in the world

they thought were
hypocritical and they

were reacting against them.

And they weren't totally wrong.

I just didn't agree withthe way they were doing it.

GORDON WHITE: Peculiarities--
wears glasses and walks

with an extremely large gait.

Associates-- Donald R. Douglas.

DON DOUGLAS: Tim and
I met in kindergarten.

There is no question thatTim is a science genius.

The part of him that
you mostly don't see

is the guy who figured the rightplace for an accelerator pedal

is flat on the floor.

And he's the one who, thevery first time we took LSD

together, said, you know,Don, we could make this,

with a real gleam in his eye.

What is LSD?

How does it work?

When did it all begin?

TIM SCULLY: In the late'50s and very early 1960s,

LSD samples went
to psychologists

and psychiatrists who weredoing medical research.

It also caught the
attention of the CIA,

looking at the possibilityof using LSD in the Cold War.

GORDON WHITE: CIA werelooking at it for one thing.

But the side effects were
such that a person that

would be looking
for a high, this

would be the kind of sideeffect that they would enjoy.

I just felt so one,
so human and alive

again for the first
time in years.

And the word started
to get around

that there was this reallyinteresting substance.

Magazine articles werepublished and a buzz developed.

I mean, I feel as though Ihave no enemies in the world.

And this is very lovely.

TIM SCULLY: By 1965
the FDA had classified

LSD as an experimental drug.

The sources of supply startedbeing driven underground.

GORDON WHITE: And that'sabout when we started looking

at Owsley and his operation.

PATRICK CLARK:
Owsley was the man.

He had a brand name.

LSD was being sold on thestreet as Owsley Acid.

[music playing]

GORDON WHITE: He's
the pied piper.

And people would befollowing him around, cause

he's handing out the goodies.

It was pretty easy for us
to just get in the line

and see what was going on.

DON DOUGLAS: Tim and I wereinterested in making drugs.

And Owsley learned aboutus, and he visited one day.

OWSLEY STANLEY: So
I was looking around

for someone who could help.

And I ran into this
kid, Tim Scully.

I thought, hey, I need somebody.

You want to do it?

He was a bright kid.

Real bright.

PATRICK CLARK: We havethree by five index cards.

We'd get a big piece ofpaper and it's all telephone

calls, money transfers.

You're putting together
a jigsaw puzzle.

GORDON WHITE: And that'swhere we would put Timothy

Scully and Donald Douglas.

TIM SCULLY: We drove
to Owsley's LSD lab.

Becoming his apprentice passedon all the essential knowledge

that I otherwise would havehad to learn the hard way.

DON DOUGLAS: Owsley and Timwould discuss chemistry texts

at the kitchen table.

And I would try to keep
up for a little while

but then I'd just go smokea joint and play my guitar.

TIM SCULLY: We'd tabletedup 100,000 does or more

of White Lightening, andput that out on the street.

[music playing]

GORDON WHITE: Haight-Ashburywas an intersection of two

streets in San Francisco.

And if you wanted to dealdrugs, this was the place to be.

PATRICK CLARK: LSD
traffickers were not

the same as other drug dealers.

Our basic tool in undercoverwork was to appeal to greed.

And some of them
didn't have the greed.

I mean, some of them
really were motivated

by things other than money.

You didn't know if he'd show up.

And if he did, he mightwant to talk about karma.

I had heard it makes younot only closer with yourself

but with everybody.

This sort of love,
peace type thing.

TIM SCULLY: I was doing itbecause I thought that making

acid could save the world.

PATRICK CLARK: That
term, save the world.

I mean, so many of them used it.

[music playing]

PATRICK CLARK: I reacted
to those LSD people who

said, you know, how amazingtheir experience had been

the same way I reacted
to many heroin dealers

that I met who said thatheroin was better than sex.

I didn't believe it.

GORDON WHITE: I knew it wasgoing to get bigger and bigger

and I felt we had
to do what we could

to try to slow this thing down.

You have to take
into consideration

the changes that have takenplace in the social order.

The abandon with which theyconduct themselves today.

There is nothing grown upor sophisticated in taking

an LSD trip at all.

They're just being
complete fools.

Fear.

TIM SCULLY: Almosteverybody who got turned on

became deeply skeptical of allgovernments and politicians.

DON DOUGLAS: And theauthorities said, oh, we've

got to stop this right away.

People are waking up.

We don't want this to happen.

One reason or another LSDwas given to an elephant once.

DON DOUGLAS: The
propaganda machine,

telling people about
all the awful things

that would happen cranked up.

And lo and behold it
killed the elephant.

Freak-outs.

Instant insanity.

Did any of guys
have to take LSD

as part of being undercover?

Take LSD?

Are you crazy?

A Never Neverland of no return.

No, get away.

Get away.

You might be the one guythat trips out on this stuff.

LSD started out a
low penalty drug.

But then as people began
to learn more and more

about what it did to you, thenit worked its way up the scale.

PATRICK CLARK: The otherside would disagree with that

and say that maybe it wastied to the anti-war movement

or other movements.

But my impression was thatserious people involved

in science and
medicine were seeing

it-- LSD, as a bigger problem.

The manufacturer
for illicit LSD

should be vigorously
sought and prosecuted.

NICHOLAS SAND: I don't carewhat the governments say.

They're all just a crock ofshit, out for power and money.

And that was not my trip.

OWSLEY STANLEY: It
was too fucking much.

The law said it's nolonger legal to make LSD.

So we finished it all up.

DON DOUGLAS: One of thethings you need to remember

about the United States isthat it's 50 different states

and they aren't all that united.

It became illegal inCalifornia before other places.

So that's why the Denverlab was not in California.

[music playing]

I

TIM SCULLY: Rented a housenot far from the Denver Zoo.

NICHOLAS SAND: Setting
up the lab went well.

Owsley proceeded to come tothe lab and make acid with us.

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: When
that work was done,

Owsley went back to the
Bay Area to organize

a tableting facility forthe LSD we'd made in Denver.

So I went back to Berkeley.

I ordered more chemicalsthrough the chemical supply

house Owsley had recommended.

PATRICK CLARK: The
chemical supply houses

recognized that some of thechemicals they were selling

were probably going
into illegal drugs.

They'd get an order.

They would call us.

Sometimes we would put
an undercover agent

behind the desk as a clerk.

TIM SCULLY: There
was a new stock clerk

who helped me load the truck.

Aiden Hendrix assumed
the role of stock clerk.

At approximately 1:15
PM, Donald R. Douglas

arrived in a van-type truck.

GORDON WHITE: Hendrix wouldpretend to be an employee,

make the people, take theirorder, fill it, give it to them

and tell us, hey,
OK, he's got it.

And now he's leaving
in a certain kind

of car or whatever.

DON DOUGLAS: He got into
a car and followed us,

which an employee of achemical company would not do.

A list of thesechemicals is as follows--

10 cases of chloroform.

100 pounds of sodium chloride.

50 gallons of acetone.

25 pounds of [inaudible].

The drug was followed to
the vicinity of Harrison

Street in Stanley Place.

TIM SCULLY: When we
went back to my house

we discovered that they'd putmy house under surveillance.

Highball one to Dugout.

This is Dugout.

GORDON WHITE: He livednot too far from a motel.

We could go to it and
rent a motel room,

look right out the window.

DON DOUGLAS: We did
see that we were being

followed on a regular basis.

And we became a bit
thick-skinned about it.

TIM SCULLY: The
way I was looking

at it is that we were
all playing a game

and we just had chosen
different sides.

PATRICK CLARK: I did
what I did, which

I thought was the right
thing for the country

and for the rule of law.

TIM SCULLY: I thought I
was doing something good

and we disagreed.

PATRICK CLARK: Spy versusspy, cops versus robbers.

GORDON WHITE:
Surveillance is the key.

And that's the only way
we were able to follow

Owsley to [inaudible].

Gordon White, Special Agentwith the Bureau of Narcotics

and Dangerous Drugs.

We had probable cause
to believe that there

might be some type of drugmanufacturing going on

in the premises.

We had no response andforcible entry was obtained.

Hey!
Don't move.

Don't move.
Get over there.

Hey, now.

GORDON WHITE: And in the housewe found Mr. Owsley Stanley.

OWSLEY STANLEY: I said,gee, I'd love to help you

but I just dropped
about 200 mics of acid.

I don't think I really wantto go anywhere right now.

Then they carted me
off to the joint.

[phone ringing]

TIM SCULLY: I called
the lab in Denver.

A strange voice answered, andmy first thought was, oh shit,

the lab has been busted.

I called my lawyer
and asked if he could

find out what had happened.

It turned out that thelandlord came to the house.

He smelled a really funny smell.

He thought is there perhapsa dead body in the house?

Sheriff's office.

TIM SCULLY: He
called the police.

OK.

Hold on just a second.

TIM SCULLY: A cop came.

The cop decided that hewould break down the door.

As soon as he went
inside, he immediately

called the narcotics police.

None of had paid
attention to how

the laws changed in Colorado.

So when the Denver lab wasbusted, each of the things

we were doing there had becomea more serious felony, then

in California.

DON DOUGLAS: The heat on uswas really increasing a lot.

I said that I wanted to takea hiatus of about six months,

and go get regular jobs wherefederal agents could see us do

our work until they got
tired it and we have

an agreed meeting place.

And at some point we'd dropwhatever it is we're doing,

meet in this place and proceed.

Tim said that he
wanted to continue.

So then I said, well
then I guess I'm out.

That's how I was out.

TIM SCULLY: I was going tohave to start from scratch.

Owsley made it pretty clearhe wouldn't be financing me.

When I told him, well I didn'treally have enough money

to do it on my own, hesaid, well, how about if you

ask Billy Hitchcock?

And what it came down towas seeing if Nick wanted

to set up a lab in partnership.

NICHOLAS SAND: Theysaid, come to California.

We'll work together.

So we pooled our resources.

I got to the house
in Windsor and we

all go forward on the
shoulders of the people

who went before us.

PATRICK CLARK: In 1969
we did have intelligence

that Sand and Scully wereworking together on producing

Orange Sunshine, LSD.

I mean, everybody in Haightwas talking about it.

It was the LSD of choice.

We would get reportsfrom all over the country

about Orange Sunshine seizures.

So we knew it was spreading
around the country.

Sand and Scully were apparentlyrunning this lab in Windsor.

And they did a good job
of keeping it from us.

We conducted surveillances.

We talked to informants.

We did a lot of things.

But we didn't find the lab.

Stay there.

PATRICK CLARK: But
sometime after Scully

did get arrested at
the Napa County Airport

for a lab in Denver.

TIM SCULLY: I was busted
in the spring of '69.

I spent a lot of time commutingto Denver to go to court.

Would you please relate
to this court and jury

when and where you
first observed him.

I first observed him at 1:24.

TIM SCULLY: And
after that, I tended

to have paranoid tripswhere I was hallucinating

police in the trees.

It was very unnerving
to think that the police

might be out in the bushes,about to swoop down.

And I was just terrified.

So I got in touch with
the Brotherhood folks,

and basically said, you
guys have to take over.

I can't do it anymore.

MIKE RANDALL: Tim's timid.

He's not real brave sometimes.

Why do you think hequit when you didn't quit

and Nick didn't quit?

MIKE RANDALL: Because hedidn't take enough of it.

I don't know how much Timtook, but it wasn't much.

You need to keep
taking it so that you

really are current with
your spiritual feelings.

NICHOLAS SAND: Pretend
it was a momentary job

and he did what he did.

And then he was finished.

And to me it was justanother rock on the road.

America's public enemynumber one is drug abuse.

In order to fight and
defeat this enemy,

it is necessary to wage
a new all-out offensive.

Just another asshole
trying to direct money

and power where he wanted it.

The depth of our commitment,our national commitment

is clear.

And the pressure is on
the criminal drug trade.

[music playing]

Richard Lee Rathjen, SpecialAgent for the Internal Revenue

Service.

I was working very closely withthe Internal Revenue Service.

Dick Rathjen.

[music playing]

A special group was
formed within the IRS.

It consisted of about
100 special agents

under the designation of theNarcotics Traffickers Program.

Nicholas Sand was one of theoriginal cases assigned me.

PATRICK CLARK: Nick
Sand had a harder edge.

He was a typical high-leveldrug dealer who was

primarily motivated by profit.

I was never out for money.

The only money I ever
wanted was enough money

to live comfortably and tomake as many psychedelic

laboratories as I could.

[music playing]

DON DOUGLAS: Dick Rathjenpulled his tax returns.

And from there the investigationjust grew on the tax side.

NICHOLAS SAND: Agent Rathjenwas a very smart man.

And he figured there werea few holes in the stories.

Mr. Sand did not report
approximately $300,000

in taxable income.

That's how they got
Al Capone, right?

Right.

He also told me he ownedno assets, held no property,

had nothing in anynominee names or anything.

NICHOLAS SAND: Yeah.

Well-- yeah, that was alittle bit of a balls up.

In other words, he was
dead broke and lived

off his common law wife.

We opened a criminal
tax investigation

on her at this point.

JILL HENRY: This is
getting too heavy.

I don't want to do this anymore.

Everything was
obviously going to have

to be done on a whole
different level--

assumed names, new identities.

By that point I wasalready starting to think

about training as a teacher.

And I loved the
ranch and I really

loved the idea of us livinghere and raising children here.

So you think he should of quit?

I thought so.

I thought that there were alot of things that he could do.

He wasn't going to
shake this life so

that it would be centered here.

It was going to be centeredaround making psychedelics.

ALICE EINHORN: He
began to take himself

so seriously that youcouldn't poke him in the side

and say oh, come on, get off it.

NICHOLAS SAND: I think anybody
that has to do this job,

you had to have a big ego.

I did something
I feel was really

good for millions of people,and I'm OK with that.

ALICE EINHORN: I love him.

I've loved him my whole life.

But for a while he became--the best word I can think of

is insufferable.

JILL HENRY: We reached a
point where I told him,

you need to find somebody else.

And he did.

NICHOLAS SAND: I went off toSt. Louis with a new partner.

I made a beautifullaboratory-- two-story brick

building in downtown St. Louis.

I'd formed this company, SignetResearch and Development.

Everybody was very happy
that industry was moving

into this impoverished
area and I was

getting kudos from the mayor.

We made a lot of
beautiful psychedelics.

And we were right
out in the open.

One more job, one more paycheck.

We didn't really
accept checks though.

We went through all the bankaccounts for Nicholas Sand

and a number of other accountswe located-- William Hitchcock,

Robert Timothy Scully.

TIM SCULLY: I was very scared.

If Nick kept on
cooking, he would

eventually bring down all ofus in a huge conspiracy case.

Billy and I tried to talk himinto taking some time out,

just the way Don Douglas
had tried to talk

me into taking time out.

BILLY HITCHCOCK:
Nick was totally

irresponsible in the way hewas going about his business.

And he was jeopardizing
everyone else who was

involved in the Windsor lab.

TIM SCULLY: Nick responded bysaying that it was that none

of our business what he did.

And after all, hadn't we agreedto try to turn on the world?

PATRICK CLARK: That's prettycommon with a high level

traffickers.

They must have their ownaddiction, because they often

continued a business way
beyond what, you know,

prudence would dictate.

PATRICK CLARK: On
top of that, I'd

slowly been getting less andless enthusiastic about what

I'd been doing.

Things were looking somewhatdarker in Haight-Ashbury.

That group that was still leftin the Haight-Ashbury started

to seem more like lost soulsThe age of the flower children

was gone.

It was a lot more
methamphetamine.

There was a lot more
murders and violence.

There was more presence
of the Hell's Angels

and other motorcycle groups.

It was a trip.

TIM SCULLY: People that Iknew had peak experiences

and had the
experience of oneness,

still treating each otherreally badly and dishonestly.

I still believe that
LSD was a good thing.

But I was no longer convincedthat it was the solution

to the world's problems.

But I got turned on to
biofeedback instruments.

I'm going to measure
the electrical activity

of my brain, as it leaks
out onto the scalp.

There were some early studiesdone that related the brain

waves of zen monks yoga mastersto particular brain wave

patterns when they
were meditating.

I saw brainwave biofeedback as apossible way of teaching people

to reach that state ofoneness with the universe

without having to use drugs.

So you're still trying
to turn the world on?

In a kinder, gentler way.

Yeah.

And then in late 1971 Igot a phone call telling me

I was off the hook
for the Denver lab,

because the police hadn'tgotten a search warrant.

The state Supreme
Court had ruled

that the search was illegal.

And it was tremendously
liberating.

The road ahead was clearfor doing research in lots

of different directions.

Unless Nick didsomething really foolish,

I'd somehow managed to
escape getting punished

for what I'd been doing.

NICHOLAS SAND: So here
I am in St. Louis.

It's getting very
cold in Missouri.

And we decide to go travelingin Mexico and taking a vacation.

Unbeknownst to me, a waterpipe broke in the house.

And the neighbors,
they could see

water running down the stairs.

The sheriff for
that town breaks in.

They go up to my bedroom.

They find the leak in
the bathroom nearby.

They also go into my closet andthey find some psychedelics.

And then they
discovered the lab.

Powder LSD capable
of producing over

14 million tablets
of Orange Sunshine

was found in two locations.

NICHOLAS SAND: It was
in all the papers.

I just didn't happen
to see the papers.

NICHOLAS SAND:
When I pulled up--

Driver, step outside slowly.

Five heavy duty guys withshotguns jumped out and said--

If you make any sudden moves,you'll be shot immediately.

What a country.

Keep your hands away fromyour body and drop full down.

TIM SCULLY: It was
an oh, shit moment.

Not that they have
busted Nick, I

think I'm in deeper hot water.

I suspected there was
a good chance that Nick

would have things
with him that would

be used as evidence against me.

Marijuana, LSD, some mescaline.

TIM SCULLY: I made a personalbet that he'd probably still

have that flow chart with him,that showed him the process

for making LSD on one page.

It turned out he did.

Is the gamble of drug
exploration worth this?

Is it worth the physical
and mental risk as well?

TIM SCULLY: Well a grand jurywas convened specifically

to investigate
Nick, Billy, and I.

I eventually hid out
in a friend's house.

While I was there, I got aphone call from Billy Hitchcock.

And he told me, I
have bad news for you.

Would you say that
you were a close

personal friend of Mr. Scully?

Yes I would.

I Advised him of
my tax problems.

I told him I was cooperatingwith the government

where I would have toreveal the whole situation.

TIM SCULLY: He'd been indicted
for income tax evasion,

and he didn't see
any other way out.

PATRICK CLARK: Billy wasn'tthe final piece in the puzzle.

He was that one in the middlethat you'd spend a half an hour

looking for.

And then once you find
that one, everything

seems to fall into place.

TIM SCULLY: Owsley and
Nick Sand gave Billy

large amounts of
money to send offshore

into Swiss bank accounts.

NICHOLAS SAND: He would
launder money for us.

Noble he was not.

GORDON WHITE: It's
just like fishing.

You reel it in, and youlook at it, and you figure,

I can get a bigger
one than this.

So I'll tell him, hey, you know,I'll throw you back, if you

can give me somebody else.

NICHOLAS SAND: My
lawyer came and read off

the names of theunindicted co-conspirators.

I said, Lenny, put it plain.

What's an unindicted
co-conspirator.

He said, a snitch.

Someone who has turnedstate's evidence against you.

I said, Billy?

PATRICK CLARK: It's justanother example of idealism

fading in the face of reality.

TIM SCULLY: He offered to loanme $10,000, which he encouraged

me to use to hire
a lawyer, so that I

could also turn and becomea government witness.

GORDON WHITE: Anybody
can be turned.

The question is, how
much do you have to give

them in order for them to turn?

NICHOLAS SAND: He said, Timis considering whether or not

to turn state's evidence.

TIM SCULLY: Do the same
thing I did and make

a deal with the government.

NICHOLAS SAND: I
was shocked, right

down to the soles of my feet.

TIM SCULLY: I said,
I'll take the money

and I'll make my best choice.

NICHOLAS SAND: I
couldn't believe it.

Remain seated and ourcourt is again in session.

TIM SCULLY: I realized thatif I did become a witness

against Nick, that
I would end up

feeling really bad aboutmyself for the rest of my life.

All right.

Ladies and gentlemen,
this next case is--

TIM SCULLY: The way
I'd end up feeling best

about myself would be
if I faced the music

and tried to fight the charges.

Billy ended up testifyingfor a couple of days.

His testimony was
pretty damning.

They were manufacturingLSD, somewhere between three

and four million tabs.

Pretty painful to hear.

Scully made just about
a million tablets.

TIM SCULLY: They knew whatwe did and where we did it.

Nick came to the Bahamas.

NICHOLAS SAND: There's a wordthat kind of describes Billy.

It's in Yiddish, but it--it is such a perfect word.

He's a schlub.

Yes.

I met with Mike Randall.

MIKE RANDALL: Billy Hitchcock'sa punk and he always was.

He's a rich guy.

Don't try to take a
rich guy's money away.

JILL HENRY: I never
held that against Billy.

I think most people
would save themselves.

The stupid thing was bringinghim to the laboratory.

That he had something
to-- you know,

there were a lot
of those blunders

all along the line that werejust-- yeah, just showoff

maneuvers that were dumb.

Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury--

NICHOLAS SAND: The trial
judge, Samuel Conti

is known as Hanging Sam.

PATRICK CLARK: Oh, JudgeConti was a fine American.

He was one of our
favorite judges.

Judge Conti was tough.

But I think fair.

The events which are thesubject of this proceeding--

TIM SCULLY: In one ofthe pretrial proceedings,

he said he wished he hadaccess to the death penalty

in our case, which
gave us a pretty

good clue of what he was goingto do in terms of sentencing.

And the man was just--

Objection, your honor.

Motion to strike.

Why don't you both
approach the bench.

NICHOLAS SAND: Every motionthat we made, Conti just denied,

interrupted our
lawyers, yelled at them.

I mean, it's a sick man.

It was blow after
blow after blow.

And they had 63 witnessesfor the prosecution.

They spent $1 or $2 million.

I feel pretty proud that itcost them that much to get me.

And I'm just one little guy,you know, with a good idea.

TIM SCULLY: When I
got on the stand,

I really wanted
to try to explain

why we made psychedelics.

I actually did
convince the judge

that there was a chance thatI was an idealist rather

than in it for the money.

But when he sentenced
me, he said,

idealists are the
most dangerous kind.

And socked it to
me with 20 years.

Mr. Scully is a brilliantman, but not very smart.

An idealist without
a conscience.

He was impeding
justice and impeding

the moral lives and well-beingof many, many citizens.

NICHOLAS SAND: Heroically,he stood up for us,

and really got slammed for it.

He got a 20-year sentence.

I got only a 15-year sentence.

TIM SCULLY: That was
a really bad moment.

And I didn't have long in thecourtroom to think about it.

I was whisked away prettyquickly into the holding cell.

PATRICK CLARK: Deep in my heartI have some sympathy for all

the people who went to prison.

I don't really have sympathyon the basis of the chronology.

Maybe he is not doing
it anymore and doesn't

intend to do it anymore.

But the fact is, he did it, andhe was an important trafficker.

And an example has to
be set for other people

who want to enter the business.

TIM SCULLY: I climbed
up on the bunk

and pulled the
blanket over my head

and cried for a
while cause I thought

it was going to be
pretty scary being

in prison for a long time.

I was going to
get sent where all

those tough guys were that Ididn't get along with very well

in high school.

It's McNeil Island
Federal Penitentiary,

the oldest federal penalfacility in the United States.

TIM SCULLY: I was sent up
to NcNeil Island in link

and belly chains and handcuffs.

They put you through
a delousing procedure,

take away your clothes and putyou through a special shower,

an medicinal scrub.

When I first drove
up I made [inaudible].

TIM SCULLY: There were guys whohad been in motorcycle gangs.

Guys were there for murder.

There was one
Eskimo who was there

for eating his whole family.

They were generally a
fairly intimidating lot.

I couldn't begin to tellyou how many people in here

have had encounters
that they didn't want.

TIM SCULLY: A lot of
the guys were frightened

they would be turned
into a punk and be

raped by the other prisoners.

It's part of the
dehumanization process.

There's only one way
to do time, and that's

to do it one day at a time.

That's the only way youcan, and keep your sanity.

TIM SCULLY: I did have alittle difficulty at first

because a number of people triedto make me offers I couldn't

refuse to become the
distributor for all

the drugs they
expected I was going

to be bringing into the prison.

The answer I gave all of themwas, just wait for my crime

partner to get here.

I don't have any drugs.

NICHOLAS SAND: Usuallycrime partners, as they're

referred to, are kept separate.

For some reason they
put us together.

We were bunkies.

He had the top bunk.

I had the bottom bunk.

My girlfriend at the timewould come to the prison.

And she would have a
balloon with a variety

of psychedelics in it.

[music playing]

When we got up to be allowedour one hug and kiss,

she put the balloon
from her mouth into mine

and I swallowed it.

I had to shit it out,and I had to clean it up,

and then I had to unwrap it.

And then I had to figuresome way of dosing it out.

TIM SCULLY: He startingrunning sessions in the cell.

He would typically do
it after lights out.

He'd open the door to hislocker where he had a picture

of Ganesh pasted in the door.

He'd light a candle and
he and the other folks

who were getting high
would sit around,

shielded from the guard'svision as they walked by.

I mean, he's a
great session guide.

NICHOLAS SAND: We formed aneight man psychedelic cell.

Had a mafia guy in it.

He took acid with us,because he wasn't a pussy.

As he came out of that sessionhe said, hey guys, you know,

that's the first time I'vebeen in church in 30 years.

I began to monitor
the delivery of food.

Somehow I got some LSD inthere and the word got out.

Everybody would rather
take LSD than being

just sitting in jail, right.

We got the whole of
the prison stoned.

This is what freedom
is really about.

It's not about not
being in chains.

It's about not having
your mind enslaved.

TIM SCULLY: I just
didn't take part in it.

I went to bed and read a bookif the lights were still on.

And when the lights wentout I always went to sleep.

The prison library
was in terrible shape.

I offered to update
the card catalogs

so it would be accurate.

And the librarian
said, OK, you're hired.

NICHOLAS SAND: Tim
got up in the morning

as soon as the gates were open.

Boom, stayed there all day.

He was studying the case, tryingto find constitutional issues

that would help get us off.

TIM SCULLY: Judge
Conti had set our bail

at a very, very high figure,half a million dollars each.

We filed bail appeals.

So we both got out
on appeal bond.

NICHOLAS SAND: And
it was a big relief.

Get in your cells!

TIM SCULLY: I saidgoodbye to Nick in prison.

I remember wishing him luck.

NICHOLAS SAND: I couldn't reallyfocus on anything for a while.

It's hard to come back in afteryou've been in that system.

The system changes you
and not for the better.

TIM SCULLY: It took a fewmonths for the Supreme Court

to decline to hear my case.

And when I heard we'd
lost that appeal,

I wasn't tremendously surprised,but I was really disappointed.

I was doing everything
I could to get

ready to go back to prison.

NICHOLAS SAND: I had a littlehouseboat in Sausalito.

I was living there
with my Buddha

and all my Persian carpetsthat I liked to collect.

And we were just
sitting down preparing

for a psychedelic session thatI was going to be guiding for 12

people from the Bay Area.

As I was finishing up
all the preparations,

Nancy came in and said, we'vegot to get you out of here.

I just got a call from Tim.

They have denied your appeal.

And you're going to be
picked up in a few days

and taken to prison.

Good to see you, darling.

Yes.

NANCY PINNEY: I
met Nick in 1969.

He turned me on to
Orange Sunshine.

I think this one
might be better.

NANCY PINNEY: And I didn'tleave that room for three days.

And I must say, I fell madlyin love with that person

and what he was.

Yes.

He was different than he is now.

NICHOLAS SAND: What
do you mean, was?

What is this negative shit?

He still is.

NANCY PINNEY: I was a part ofthis psychedelic revolution.

He knew that he could
count on me to help

him in any way that was needed.

We knew that we had
to get out of there.

Ah, here we go.

PATRICK CLARK: When theylowered Nick Sand's bond,

I knew he would run and he did.

NICHOLAS SAND: And I said,watch your rear view mirror.

If you see any cars pullingout behind of us suddenly,

we've got a tail.

NANCY PINNEY: Lo
and behold, there

was one of them
in my view mirror

and I thought, oh, shoot.

NICHOLAS SAND: I said,
OK, we've been made.

PATRICK CLARK: They knew
what they were doing.

They weren't easy to follow.

NICHOLAS SAND: I said,drive over to Mill Valley.

And we parked behind
a row of cedars.

We would see the same cardriving up, driving back.

PATRICK CLARK: They
did their tricks.

We did our tricks.

It came down to a matter ofwho did their tricks better.

NICHOLAS SAND: I had a
sense of their timing.

And soon as they passed
going to the right,

I said, get out of here.

Go left.

Make your first right.

Make your second left.

Make your second right.

NANCY PINNEY: We just hadto go all those little

residential areas and
go shh, shh, shh, shh.

NICHOLAS SAND: Get
us over the mountain.

And we got up there.

And I said, wow, we're clean.

We got away.

Now we just have to figureout where to go from here.

TIM SCULLY: I had heard
that Nick had vanished.

I told all my friends, ifyou hear from Nick, please

don't tell me where he isor what he's doing because I

really don't want to know.

I didn't want to
be part of whatever

the next conspiracy might be.

My mother and my girlfriendat the time drove me up

and I took the ferry
across to the prison.

What I told myself was
that if all else failed,

I'd figure out how to escapeif I couldn't stand it.

But I thought I'd figureout a way of doing the time.

NANCY PINNEY: Well
the plan was to drive

to Oregon and Washington
until Nick was

able to walk over into Canada.

He certainly didn't go to sleep.

I think we just
drove the whole time.

NICHOLAS SAND: We went up onthe most obscure route you could

say, all the way through theforest for hundreds of miles,

up the Olympic peninsula.

After a few days journey, Igot some halfway decent ID.

Nick Sand was gone.

I went and bought a fishingrod, lures, weights, tackle box.

Now I could make my escape.

Good morning, sir.

Good morning, sir.

NICHOLAS SAND: When
I reached Canada,

a little white-haired
bouncy immigration

officer said, and what is thepurpose of your visit sir?

I had my pole and my tacklebox and my fishing jacket on.

And I said, come on.

You got to be kidding.

He said, go on.

Have a great time.

PATRICK CLARK: I ran thefugitive investigation on it

for awhile.
But we had no leads.

And the man had
had numerous names

and traveled all over the world.

We'd hear reports of
possible sightings.

But I don't recall that
we even came close.

NICHOLAS SAND: So I disappearedand continued my mission.

I lived as a fugitive in Canada.

And I carried on
making psychedelics

for the next 20 years.

PATRICK CLARK: If anybody beatthe system it was Nick Sand.

[laughter]

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: I was grantedadmission as a PhD candidate

so that I could be a studentwhile I was in prison.

I ended up by getting
a PhD in psychology.

I had a lot of help from
people on the outside

and got my sentence
reduced to 10

years, which made me eligiblefor parole in three and 1/3

years.

I pretty rapidly got absorbedby the whole computer world.

It turned out thathaving made LSD was a LSD

was a positive thing in
the computer business.

ALICE EINHORN: Tim and I werelovers for a while in the '60s.

And then me we didn't seeone another for years.

But the more the years wentby, the more mellow he became.

He's like a cat.

You slowly get to know him.

A cat reveals their personalityto you rather slowly.

As we've gotten older,
we've figured out,

both of us, what we
really want, which

is to be partners
and lovers and not

to live under the same roof.

And that's worked
wonderfully well.

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: I scaled
back my ambitions

to trying to just
make my own life

and the lives of the
people that I care

about be as good as possible.

This is not perfect butI'm doing the best I can.

That's all we can do, you know.

Perhaps at the
bottle there are some

of the chemical manuals fromthe different chemical houses.

This back in the corner
is the great big steel

reactionary flasks.

It's like a big pressure cooker.

They can cook it under pressure.

PATRICK CLARK: I'd
forgotten about him.

It was a huge shock to me themagnitudes of the laboratory.

Practice LSD manufacture.

Drug smuggling,
the Forbidden Book.

PATRICK CLARK: That he'd gonethat long without getting

caught, and then when he gotcaught that he was involved

in such an apparently big way.

Psychedelic log.

MDA, DMT.

I don't know if there's muchhe hasn't tried his hand at.

PATRICK CLARK: I
knew he was sharp

but I was still surprised.

He knows his stuff, doesn't he?

Yeah.

NICHOLAS SAND: I was eventuallyarrested with enough acid

to dose the whole of
Canada two times over.

And they sent me back to
stand trial in the US.

By some great
coincidence, they got

me back in front of Sam Conti.

They brought him
out of retirement

so he could get me again.

I'm a warrior for peace.

I can take it.

[music playing]

TIM SCULLY: Sure beats workingin the yard at McNeil Island.

NICHOLAS SAND: That's for sure.

[music playing]

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