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It's crashing.

That's the night I almost lost everything.

Price actually went past my liquidation price.

Every dollar that I had ever worked for, gone.

Of course, in hindsight, you know, I just held on to that. It'd be half a

billion dollars.

It's so ridiculous that I can't process it, but this movie has nothing to do

with any of it.

The universe tried to warn me.

Like, he tried to warn me.

He tried to warn you.

The man of my dreams.

He's a shapeshifter. He can assume the role of a dead loved one. He can appear

as animals, old friends. He's just every single person in your dream.

That's not the first time I met him either.

I remember I was 15 years old and all I saw was a bright light.

Yo, you good, man?

Huh? You good, man?

Oh, uh, yeah, I'm good.

I had, like, the weirdest dream last night. No way. I dreamt last night, too.

It's crazy.

Well, you gonna tell it to the balder?

This man in a suit's my barber was gonna die.

Your barber? Wait, who even has a barber anymore? No, I know. I think he meant

this guy, Joe.

Barca? Joe Barca. Joe Baca.

Come down here, two of you. You don't got to eat the man's hair like that. Can

you imagine if something really does happen to him?

Well, whatever you do, just don't dream about me.

I at least want to get laid before I die.

Amen, brother.

If I did, though, you know, dream about one of you guys dying or whatever, would

you want to know?

No, probably not.

Keep them under yourself.

Sorry, I pulled all the olives out of your macaroni salad again, huh?

It's the only vegetable in the whole plate.

Corn's a vegetable.

It's a starch, Mom.

That's a vegetable. That's a vegetable, yeah.

Right. And olives aren't a vegetable.

Olives aren't a vegetable? Are they?

Yeah, they're... What is this, pick on mom night?

All right, let's get back to eating. She's not picked the chicken night.

Goodness. You don't like the chicken?

Mom. You've always liked chicken.

I mean, I like the... I like chicken. I have to eat chicken every night, so...

Of course I like chicken. You don't eat chicken every night. Okay, Mom.

What do you think? You don't have anything nice to say.

You're not supposed to say anything at all. That's what my mom always said.

Is that what your mom always said?

That's enough.

Jesse, you're awful quiet. You okay?

I had a dream Joe Barca died.

Old Joe?

Yeah.

How'd he die?

I don't know.

A man in a suit told me.

A man in a suit?

What did he look like?

I don't know, he had dark hair and pitch black eyes and he was taller and

he told me that he was going to die and I woke up crying.

Can you not be a jerk for two seconds, please?

Oh,

sorry, I don't dream about power rangers every day like you.

Did he teabag you?

Leave your father alone.

So when's the last time you even seen him?

I don't know, it's been years.

That's why it's so weird.

Oh, hi, Ella.

Ella, back away from the table. Okay.

Ready? All right.

Take it nice.

Yeah, take it nice.

Take it nice.

Ooh.

Tea bag.

Nah, you know you like it.

Did I tell you guys about the nuggets that I took the other day?

Oh, my God.

It's like the juggernaut took that shit. I'm telling you. No, dude.

You know you would have looked at it. You know you would have looked at it.

right, let's go.

Let's go.

I am not losing my level 36. I'm telling you that right now.

How'd you know?

Know what?

I just got off the phone with Pop -Pop.

He said Jude Barger had a heart attack.

Dreaming the future.

Premonitions.

Visions.

Precognition.

I thought my experience with Joe Barca was just going to be a one -off

occurrence that sounds like something completely make -believe.

This is a very real thing that happened to me when I was 15 years old.

What I thought was just a shot in the dark.

Just a lucky guess.

It just kept happening.

It just kept happening.

I did not sleep well last night.

This has kind of been part of the course, but... I used to.

I used to sleep great.

I would get 10, 12 hours most nights.

especially when i was a kid i would be uh flying around

i don't know i'm not like

i'm not even like flap no bird flap wings i'm i'm just soaring just with my

like like kind of like levitating just

It's just like when you're a kid, I feel like all the dreams would be so

fantastical. It's like it didn't matter that it didn't make sense. It was like

you were just playing. It felt relaxing and peaceful.

It was all game.

Your family was still around, all the ones that you knew, and even people that

you didn't know. Everyone was great.

This was all exciting.

You didn't have enough, I guess, bad experiences to sift into your life that

kind of toxify it all.

I'll lay in bed for...

Hours before I even fall asleep.

Who am I going to dream about tonight?

Because what's going to happen to that person in my dream, and are they going

not be there when I wake up?

Whose death am I going to envision tonight that I'm going to not know

should tell them about in real life or just keep to myself?

I worked at a plumbing shop for a couple years, just kind of.

doing inventory and, you know, serving customers.

There was an old woman that worked at the shop and would hang out in the

We got really close in the plumbing shop. However, I had a dream. I had some

third -party perspective on the highway that wraps around Boros Plumbing. The

dream consisted of Joan in her car trying to just turn into the plumbing

Makes that turn pretty much every workday.

Except this day in the dream, a red tractor trailer comes barreling down the

highway and crashes into her car, killing her.

Joan Voros, red tractor trailer, dead.

The next day at work, I said, yeah, I saw you get crushed by a red tractor

trailer. She's like, oh, that's lovely.

Everything was fine for a few weeks until I got a text message from Joan

saying I just swerved off the road.

narrowly avoiding a red tractor trailer.

She said, I'm really shaken up right now.

She said, had you not warned me, I don't think I would have reacted quick

enough.

I don't know what to make of that.

Lucky guess.

Joan was fine and we talked about it the next day and I'm sure we made thick

jokes about it and laughed.

That's what humans do when they can't confront this sickening reality of

possibility, something they might not understand.

Let's joke about it and forget it and act like it never happened.

Hey there, Jays. It's your old pal McJarren. It's here. That's how I've

close to 2 ,000 videos because I am a YouTuber making a movie.

That's right. Yeah, it's a YouTube movie. What's this guy doing?

My name is Jesse Ridgway, also known as McJuggerNuggets, more notoriously

online. So I've been making YouTube videos since I was 14 years old, so I've

been at this thing for close to 17 years now.

And we've accumulated over 2 billion views just on YouTube alone, and this

been my full -time career for the last decade.

I'm that kid in his underwear that's screaming at his dad as he ran over his

video games with a lawnmower.

Yeah, the kid that flipped the Thanksgiving tables over and gets a

at him by his father.

Me and my dad. Psycho dad. Psycho kid.

Shot my dad with a gun. You made me this way!

Flood to Switzerland. Anyone over the age of 40 probably has no idea what I'm

talking about.

Daddy, chill.

What the hell is even that?

We'll do choreographs done, kind of just some loose improv with these ridiculous

scenarios, basically to clickbait and drive attention to a narrative that I'm

trying to construe. So it was a little bit of a boy who cried wolf scenario

where I pretended that this whole fake life was real, the internet believed it.

We're sorry about that.

Guys, we are working hard building up the little campsite area.

This is probably the hardest I've ever worked in my life.

Feast your eyes upon my pride, my joy.

Welcome to Eagles Landing.

You guys got to check this place out. It's insane.

That Eagles Landing series brought in around 100 million views that month.

I was gaining like 10 ,000 subscribers a day and was really what, like...

blew up my channel a lot of a lot of fans found me through that anyway guys

some likes on this video and say f you to your dad and subscribe you want to

f you to my dad all right jays i love you all death and don't forget to keep

rigid i didn't realize that i had dreamt that two years prior

okay so my brother had a dream

that he was in an alternate reality in a tent filming himself.

The video was an alternate reality. It was not real life. That's what I meant

alternate reality.

In the dream right now. Do you want me to respond to you? Do you want me to

respond to the camera?

What are you trying to insinuate? I'm just trying to ask you genuine questions

right now.

I guess. I don't know. You have really not much to wear with because you don't.

You're not even open to the idea. How many more?

You don't remember Joe Barga. I'm sorry, but when you present with me like, oh,

I had this dream of me being in a tent. We camped a lot.

Not in a tent.

I don't think you guys were ever in a tent, but that could have resonated in

your mind. So a lot of different ideas that he could have just combined into a

dream, woken up, wrote it down, and then.

Years down the road, he made it happen in the form of video.

So you're saying it was a lucky hit?

That my dream matched?

It was a lucky match?

I think that the dream matching the video was a coincidence.

What if I told you Eagle's Landing wasn't my idea?

I had randomly met through a mutual friend, the financial guy.

You know what would be funny?

What if you were kicked out of your house and you were living in a tent

games from there?

I said, yeah, that's a really good idea.

So I can't even argue against it now. I can't say it was a self -fulfilling

prophecy. It came from an outside source.

So the only conclusion I could come to is that it was always going to happen.

I can't say one way or the other for sure whether it was something that was

meant to be, but it did seem like Jesse did have a flow,

like he did know.

ahead of time. It didn't seem like that.

Something was grabbing my chest and just pulling me and pulling me along.

It was just dragging me through all these experiences.

I was a freshman in high school, very first period.

And when everybody's half asleep, the teacher's joining on, and you're really

just trying to just stay awake.

And in that state, you're just getting off and you hear voices, you see things.

And what I would do is I would just open up a notebook.

I didn't realize what I was doing at the time, but apparently this is kind of

known as free writing, where you just go loose and you let your hand just write

slowly, whatever just comes to mind, as ridiculous as it may sound.

I tried to direct it a little bit. I wanted to try to make a series. I've

been obsessed with television series and dramatic work.

And so I was writing something to do for my YouTube channel.

Jesse made Rule 19, which is one of my favorites, with a whole bunch of clones,

and they all had different personalities.

What Rule 19 meant, it was a virus that was affecting the clones.

Rule 19, COVID -19, virus, I mean... Oh, shoot, yeah.

I did a series called My Virtual Escape.

In that virtual reality series, my Uncle Chris in real life was like playing a

character in a series. And me and him developed a really close relationship

through all the YouTube videos.

He was played by my older brother.

My Uncle Chris is my dad's older brother.

When Uncle Chris' character died in my virtual escape, he started bleeding from

the nose.

Which is how all the clones died from Rule 19, a .k .a. COVID -19.

The crazy thing is, is when Uncle Chris' character gets killed off in the

simulation, he is stabbed against an oak tree.

Red oak. And he's stabbed by you playing as the servant, a .k .a. his boss. So

just to sum it up, Uncle Chris' boss killed him.

A little over two years ago, my Uncle Chris was at work.

His boss came in and gave him COVID -19.

My uncle died within a week of that. The company my uncle works for is called

Red Oak.

The irony of that...

That'll

resonate for a day or two.

Didn't know all that.

then yes, his boss did kill him in real life.

Almost as if subconsciously, when I write these theories, these ideas that

of come from nowhere, is actually coming from somewhere, that somewhere being

the future.

A bit too many synchronicities there.

Too many things line up. It's pretty ridiculous.

It is pretty ridiculous now that you brought it to my attention.

Then you start thinking a little bit more about it.

Like, even the dreams.

When I was younger, it seemed like, huh, that's no big deal.

I question things now more as I'm older.

Ever since my dad died, I don't want to know more.

I want it to be magical.

What I like to think is magic is just science that isn't understood yet.

I remember Jesse having a dream about one of his school teachers having

And guess what?

It's a ninth grade history teacher, Mr. Harris.

He's a very sweet guy, very smart, very caring towards his students. He's very

rare in a teacher.

Well, I dreamt about Mr. Harris.

That was it.

However, I got this thinking feeling as he walked away and his back was a little

hunched. There's something wrong with him too.

This one would take years to play out.

Started with his wife getting cancer.

She died.

As well as Mr. Harris died too.

It's a very sad story.

And I don't want it to be sad.

Forecasting somebody's demise, that's almost godlike.

I don't know if people are supposed to have that kind of power.

There's certain things that just should be left untouched.

I mean, I did have a dream about seeing my own death certificate.

I don't remember.

I do remember that there was an interceptor, but I don't... It did a

bit, but...

It could have been somebody else's death.

It could have been my mother's.

She passed away in 2021.

Interceptor could have been COVID intercepted her.

It's like looking at a piece of art while somebody that writes it or draws

paints it out or any other form of...

Artistic endeavor, it could mean something to them, but if it's presented

way that anybody can walk away with a different interpretation, that's how I

kind of view dreams.

I had a very short dream about my old friend Gina from college.

And I wake up, and I check that Gina just posted a recent photo.

Looking exactly like a zombie.

I had this dream this one night. I was working on this movie theater being

in my basement.

It's my old friend Paul from high school that I hadn't seen in, like, ten years.

And he's wearing, like, full construction gear like he's ready to

That's the dream.

I upload, like, a two-, three -year -old video to Facebook of the movie theater

construction, and at that same exact time, I check my inbox.

Guess who messaged me?

Paul, first message in 10 years, and you know what he says? Hey, man, really

loving these videos on Facebook.

I told him, thanks, man. I'm glad you liked the vids.

Drop a like.

Subscribe. So just now I met in 2019 on a dating app.

One of our first conversations, he did mention how he already visioned me

in his home walking around the corner, which was kind of pretty bizarre,

especially when you're...

first talking to somebody that you don't even know if you're interested in yet.

It's funny, you always hear that, too.

Oh, I knew the first day, and you're like, yeah, okay, as if, you know,

kind of rewriting history.

I don't think it was a tactic. I think what he was saying was true. I felt that

connection with him from our first conversation.

Yeah, I just went with it. I just wasn't sure if it actually is a real thing to

just dream the future or...

see these future visions.

They kept happening and happening and they were like turning out to be true.

It finally did take a turn and I started to experience them on my own.

So there was this one instance where my dog Mason got into a trash can and he

ate probably a whole pack's worth of used makeup wipes.

So I took Mason to Jesse's house before I went to the animal hospital. I let

Mason roam the house.

He had this sense to him that he was very familiar with the house. He went

straight to the living room and jumped up on the couch and laid on the arm of

the chair as if he's been there before.

When that was his first time ever being there, I did have this weird moment hit

me. I guess I would call it a deja vu.

I've seen this before.

I've felt this feeling before. I've seen Mason run across the kitchen.

Mason goes in that chair every single day and sits in that same spot.

Have you ever been half asleep and you hear a sound? Then you wake up and then

that sound happens? Because that sounds exactly like what this is.

evolution in our species where like we hear the bush rustling and we're trying

to guess what kind of predator is in the bush like is it going to kill me should

i be scared should i be excited starts to activate that fight or flight

maybe that predictive ability that foresight has extended itself a bit

before somebody gets a call from a loved one saying that so -and -so died all of

a sudden i just feel off today Like something's wrong. I have a bad feeling.

Yeah, so this past summer I had a dream where these two boys showed up to the

house. They were trespassing on the property.

They showed up with fishing poles wanting to go fish at the lake that's in

backyard.

So the next morning I wake up, real life.

I went out on the deck, and I hear voices.

They looked exactly like the kids in my dream. I mean, I think even down to the

color of their shirt, what they were wearing, everything.

Yeah, at this point, I believe it's real because I now have my own experiences.

I'm all in now.

This is real. This happens because that was my third. I would question whether

or not the story is true.

So she could say that, but do I believe her?

Is there any evidence that it took place?

People's memories get fuzzy. I don't recall a lot of things that happened in

childhood.

So it doesn't mean that it didn't exist, but it also just, a lot of things can

change in a story over time.

So while you remember it to be one way immediately, as time goes on, it may get

a little bit more gray.

If you're hearing it secondhand, it could change several times since then.

People discredit dreams and people's experiences, personal experiences, as

saying that it's not evidence that there is something more going on, but what

other evidence do we have than somebody's testimonial?

How else can we read somebody's dreams?

We have to trust the person telling us.

So once I started realizing that, like, maybe I could dream the future,

naturally I'm like, all right, how can I make money off this?

Let me go in and see if I can, I don't know, maybe get some lottery numbers for

the next day.

And so I spawned outside of this cornfield. Oh, hi, Jenny.

Hi. Okay.

Okay.

Okay. Are you going to sit in? It'll kind of be my smoking gun to prove that

this thing exists.

If you want something to appear, you can't be looking in the direction that

want it to appear. You actually have to look away and then look back.

And then it'll be there.

The numbers start swirling around. Everything's blurry.

I'm like trying to figure out which number is that. It's almost like the

is falling apart around me. It just really doesn't want me to access this

information.

All of a sudden, I'm thrust out of the dream, and I'm forced to, okay, what did

I just see?

I either grab a dream journal or record on my phone, and I quickly wrote down a

complete sequence of numbers.

I played what was a five -number sequence for what was Jersey Cash 5.

It was around, I think, a $500 ,000 prize.

I got three out of five correct.

And the other two were like a digit off.

I would equate it to like making free throws in basketball.

This was maybe my fifth or sixth time actually dreaming a set of lottery

numbers. I'm not going to make every shot.

You say I'm LeBron James of sleep.

I would not say you are the LeBron James of sleep because that would mean you

get great sleep every night and you don't.

How many home runs does someone need to get to prove that it's not luck?

Is this a baseball analogy we're using now?

Hey, you like baseball? I love baseball. I would have to see a lot of home runs.

If they're going to be good and legitimate, they have to have a good

Who does?

The precog people.

Maybe the lottery numbers is a bit too ambitious.

Let me do some stock picks.

He was on the toilet for what feels like... three hours each night.

That is not an exaggeration at all because I know he's staring at his phone

looking at finance stuff, business.

Ah, damn it.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I'm still pooping.

It's like I'm dumping and it's dumping usually.

There's this huge ball of fire.

hurtling through the sky coming crashing towards the ground in this huge burst

of flame like what the heck just happened so i run over and there's a

impact crater and in the center of this crater once the smoke

cleared was a gaming console

And I wake up, I write everything down. I actually draw the dashboard that I

saw. Not long after that, a new console released.

And wouldn't you know it, exact, perfect match to my dream description. Not only

that, but the game that shipped with that console, it's about these

titans falling and flying through the sky as if they were asteroids or meteors

and crashing into the ground.

So my dream took those two concepts.

blended them together.

People don't want to hear your goofy dreams.

So you're saying nobody's going to watch this movie?

What do you mean?

Why wouldn't they watch it? You're doing precognitive dreaming.

That's like a dream with vision. I mean, that's totally different.

What you're going to be shown is not always your choice.

You can do anything you want. You can, you know, you have choice and all that,

but...

I do understand the other side now, and I do lean more towards everything's

predestined.

I remember our old family dog, Ella, where I walked her outside one day.

around 9 or 10 years old, which is older for a lab, but usually they go into the

double digits.

I took her off the leash, and she went up ahead, stopped, turned around, and

then just sat and stared at me.

And I got this sickening gut feeling that this was going to be the last time

that I was going to see my dog.

Yeah, it was around two to three weeks later that Ella was diagnosed with

and then died within like five days.

John's 13 years old now.

I've grown up with this dog. He's been in many videos of mine. We call him

John because he just smells.

No, no, no. Lay down.

Lay down, John.

Lay down.

We were going to get another dog to play as Ella, but I think it's fitting if

John does.

Because you remember her, huh?

As bad as it sounds.

It's like, oh, wow, all I do is dream and have visions of terrible things

happening. That was actually one of the few times where I was glad it happened.

I feel like it gave me a warning.

It gave me a chance to spend some time with Ella before she might pass.

I'm going to be leaving for a while.

So be here when I get back.

Come on, John.

Let's go be Ella.

Let's go be Ella.

This specific precognitive experience is probably one of the ones that breaks my

brain.

Do I know you?

You know who I am.

Omar?

I have no clue who Omar is.

I don't know any Omar in my real life.

Yet suddenly my mouth, which I did not have control over, just spoke out loud

and said, Omar?

And then I woke up and immediately jotted it down. However, flash forward

later that night. Me and my girlfriend were doing a little Netflix and chill.

And I thought, oh, hey, look, here's a documentary about, it was a

cryptocurrency. Let me check this out. And I click on it.

It was about this exchange getting hacked.

Until I see a man's face appear onto the screen.

It was Omar.

It was the man from my dream.

That's probably the dream man.

Felt like it was all a ploy, something.

Set this all off in motion.

It's... Something that is so impossible to articulate.

It's such a huge basis on why I wanted to make this film.

How do you tell somebody or how do you show the world that I could see the

future and be completely realistic and genuine when you say that?

How do you do that?

Without everybody saying that.

He's got to be lying.

It's got to be a story.

Especially the guy who made a life story.

That's the ultimate irony.

Let's make the guy who fakes everything for videos for YouTube. Let's make him

the guy that can dream the future.

That's good.

Then here I am.

Talking about these nightmares.

Yeah. But I don't believe that you can predict the future.

Because then you're predicting choice.

And without choice, what's the point? Well, this movie is for you then,

You don't believe in anything.

Not really, no.

I believe in the things around me. I believe in people. Ex -girlfriends of

Ex -girlfriends of mine. Literally, their names. In old... Scripts that I

in weird, symbolic ways.

Man, that's coincidence. I mean, they're not really exotic names.

With Ethereum, I picked the best investment of the entire decade, but

almost like I knew. It's almost like I knew the entire run on YouTube. It's

I knew.

I wouldn't say these are facts. I would say these are your own experiences.

Because you don't care about the facts.

I think that what you're presenting is your own personal experiences. You can't

honestly say that I told you something prior.

And then it ends up happening.

I don't remember.

There's something down here that I have.

Do you have a yearbook down here?

When did you graduate?

2007.

All the younger siblings are writing to their older siblings and parents.

I think there's even something where mom and dad said something, but they're not

going to say something like what I said.

There, look. Read it. Read that.

I already know what it says.

Read it.

Jeffrey. Wow. You don't have to read it into the camera, dude.

You proved me wrong.

I'll try to live to your example, except for the buffness. Because you graduated

high school, I was surprised.

That's a joke.

Understood. Good luck.

I'll see you outside my mansion someday, your little brother, Meatball.

Did I not call that?

Literally, I was what, 14, 15, right around when I was having these other

precogs, and I said, see you outside my mansion.

And what happened? You lived in my house. You lived in the mansion with me.

don't have a mansion.

There's freaking nine bedrooms in the house.

There's three kitchens.

I was basically saying that I knew I would be successful because I knew it.

Why don't you just say that? What's it going to take for you to give me some

credit, the fact that I am actually having these experiences and that I

potentially feel something intuitively that is going to happen in the future?

Jess, I love you.

You're my little brother.

I support you in the Psycho Series and everything with YouTube and everything.

This goes past that to me because it's a very personal thing.

I understand. And it's something that is very hard to talk about because people

immediately stigmatize it. They think that it's not valid because it's my

emotional experience. I'm telling you there's something here.

I understand where you're coming from. Suddenly these things that just seem

of magical happen.

By coincidence?

You think that's coincidence?

Really?

I'm concerned over this.

Okay? I answered the questions.

It may not fit with what you want.

I don't think I can help you.

I'm sorry.

All right.

I can't promise that there will be much of you in it.

That's on you, but you wanted my honest take, and I gave you my honest take. So

whether or not it fits your agenda, that's your call.

It's not an agenda.

It's not. There's no agenda. My agenda is just to keep people open.

Actually, I'm just saying, could you at least consider an opinion outside of

your own that might break how your paradigm works in your brain? Hey, you

haven't convinced me, Jeff.

And if you want this to keep people's minds open, maybe give them all

perspectives so that maybe you don't just portray it in one way and then

everybody else just thinks the same way as you. Okay.

Fair.

We'll leave a little bit.

We'll leave a little bit of your skepticism, but Jeffrey, I think the

enough of that.

I've got a mic. Who gets that?

I give it to you, I guess.

I think Jesse's looking for the meaning of life.

I think Jesse's thinking that, you know, he wants to be ahead of the curve.

That's what Jesse's all about.

I just want to get answers. I want to go out. I want to talk to people. I want

to talk to people like me.

I want to get whatever experts exist in the space, what little probably are

there.

And I just want them to tell me what's wrong with me or what is potentially

right with me or why am I experiencing these things.

I don't want to feel like I'm crazy. I don't want to feel alone.

I don't know that Jesse will ever find any answers.

I'm hoping that he doesn't get scared to sleep.

Because if I'm going to uncover some answers and get to the truth, I'm going

need help.

I've already tried living and dealing with it on my own, and I can't say I've

been very successful.

This has been a huge toll on him for as long as I've known him, and I hope that

he finally gets the rest that he needs.

Have you ever dreamt the future?

I have dreamt the future.

Would you say you've dreamt the future? Yeah, I have.

I've dreamt the future on a number of different occasions.

I haven't dreamt the future.

But I believe I have dreamt the future.

No, can't say that I have.

But I've had this crazy recurring dream.

Yes, my name is Maria, and I have dreamt the future. I had a dream about getting

hit by a car, or nearly getting hit by a car. And literally the next day, one of

my classmates, he ends up getting hit by a car.

There was a lot of fires.

Some people were screaming, and it was really, really scary.

Nothing fatal. He ends up getting up and he talked about it the next day. Like,

yo, God, did you see what happened? Serious came to my house and took our

hostage. And that was my dream about because I saw it exactly how it was

happened. So in college, there was an incident where a professor was sick.

So they had a substitute.

I really had this strong feeling that my Instagram was going to get deleted.

Like, you ever felt something and then you're like, oh, this is going to happen

today? That's how I felt. I dreamt my grandfather's stroke.

the night before it happened. And the previous night, I dreamed of being in a

class with this substitute professor, despite me having never seen them

And the next day, I walked in, and there she was.

My brain told me in the dream that it was my father having a heart attack, but

that was really only me assuming so.

Dreamt that I was at work, and I was working in a tower, taking care of the

planes, bringing them in and out. I dreamt of this random, like, empty mall.

And I could see this man off to my side, and I look over.

Looking straight at him, he raises a gun, and he shoots me right at the

And then a few weeks later, we took a road trip and, like, ended up at that

one. And immediately, I was like...

I've been here before.

So according to the Zohar, there's never an event that manifests in the physical

world that isn't first dreamed by people.

I think every person has the ability and the talent to listen to their intuition

or... I don't know. I just control these premonitions, these dreams, so that I

can have more positive outcomes in my day -to -day life. But these are the

dreams that tend to stick out. I'm waiting for somebody to pop out.

And I'm hoping it's just a crazy dream, but I'm also scared that...

it's going to become my reality

Hey, Mike.

Let's see.

Hi.

It's been a minute.

Yep. You all right?

I know. I haven't seen you.

We're already rolling, so.

Yeah, but I thought we were going to talk off camera, Jesse.

Yeah. Well, I want to do it on because there's stuff I want to ask you. So if

were able to come inside. Look what I want to ask you. Like why your dad

me.

I didn't want to talk about that stuff.

So if we could come in, I wanted to ask you just a few questions.

We sat down to an interview. I thought you were making a documentary.

We are. We are.

Then why are we doing shots with Bridget by the door and like... We're not

talking about that. That was... We're doing cinematic stuff in addition to

real stuff as well.

I'm sorry.

Points. Excuse me.

That's Jason. We've got lighting coming in.

So we're just trying to make it look good. There's a guy who's been in my

for ten minutes. You're not supposed to address us. Hi.

What? Hi.

Hi.

What are we doing?

You still have...

The old notebook that you showed me when I first came here.

Why are you talking about that to these people?

They're just going to be, we might have to stop the movie. You got cameras, you

got boom mics.

Yeah. What is all this? You showed me a notebook when I first was here in 2016

that showed, like, predicted different things, like deaths and I think an

album or something.

Okay, this is really personal.

What are you asking questions about? What are you doing?

Yeah, but there's been things that you showed me in the book six years ago that

have come true since that time.

It's a coincidence.

Why? What is it?

It's coincidence.

That's what it's about.

About what?

Precognition. Oh, you're so deep. Like dreaming the future, having visions,

you were, I think, potentially was it free writing? I don't know if I have the

books anymore.

They're gone.

Right? You got to be kidding me.

These got to happen. These still got to happen. Oh, no, we have them.

Oh, my God.

Didn't he predict one of your family members died?

Yeah.

Don't you think that's pretty crazy to talk about? Yeah, it's definitely really

crazy, but I don't know about all these cameras. You share your whole lives with

the camera. This is a little bigger.

There it is.

What do you need this for?

Maybe we'll set you up over there.

You got kid Cheerios still over there.

Yeah, because we have kids.

Yeah. I don't like these guys. I haven't been here in three years, man.

Yeah. Is that what we're talking about?

No. Oh, actually, we do need to have you sign off on the release to be in this.

So actually, we can get that now.

It depends on there.

I'm not signing anything.

My name is Michael Green. I am a YouTuber. You might know me from the

Grandpa show.

So your dad is Angry Grandpa.

My father is Angry Grandpa, the angriest old man on the internet.

What?

I'm known as Kid Behind a Camera because I was always the guy filming the video.

You might have seen Angry Grandpa Destroyed PlayStation 4. It's got 40

views. The video where I gave him his dream car on Facebook has over 100

views. The videos are everywhere.

Kevin Hart, Shaquille O 'Neal, they were sharing a video where Dad tried to

scrub a tattoo off his back.

And we were glad for him. We came from a trailer park. And from the trailer

park, I was able to buy my father a house.

And he didn't have to worry about bills anymore until his death.

YouTube has given me everything.

Right now I have two kids and I upload daily videos with them and we're total

white trash.

That's what we are.

McJuggerNugget was my biggest competition on YouTube. One day we're

angry grandpa videos and we're the number one in the freak out genre.

Then all of a sudden there's this other guy that people are talking about. And

at the beginning, I didn't think he was a threat. I better compete or my

channel's done.

Now all of a sudden he's doing videos with his father and they're breaking

things. He took my thing.

I'm not going to let you sneak that, Daryl. But that's what happened, Jesse.

Really? Did I get any royalties?

No, you get nothing.

Jugger Nuggets and I have done a ton of videos together.

He's kidnapped my kid at one point.

It's all a blur. I don't even remember the videos.

When we first collabed, there was a notebook that you showed me in 2016.

Can you talk about that?

Whatever I write is what I write. Sometimes it's a little note. Sometimes

complete gibberish.

And sometimes what I write down has happened.

I don't even know what I'm thinking when I'm writing at the time.

All I know is I'll snap out of it and I'll look and, oh, I wrote some stuff.

then I'll turn the page and write something else.

People call our videos fake, so they're not going to believe it.

I'm ashamed of it.

Is there a certain fear you have for this specifically being called fake?

Yeah, because it's real.

Do you believe it, to be real?

Sometimes.

I just don't have an explanation for it. I don't know what it is.

This page says the love that you bring to help me the gate is a nightmare.

Do you know?

Yes, I remember this.

Because the song came out. What's the song?

The love that you bring.

That's the first line you have, yep.

Brings me home.

How's the chorus go? Do you love me? Do you need me? Do you want to believe me?

Do you think that you don't need me? Do you want to deceive me?

Yeah, that's what you have.

Pretty much.

Right. I mean, Jesse, I understand.

Do you? And sometimes I'll write fake albums.

that don't exist, that I want to, and I'll sing them to myself, and I'll

that the songs are real. Sometimes I'll go to the computer and design them.

The album's not recovered.

You have written recovered.

Look at the cover that I drew.

Oh, Jesus.

Yeah, I see a man on a road. You see the lines.

White trash party.

You have white trash party written down.

Going through changes.

You have gone through changes written down.

Jesse.

I'm going to look like some kind of weirdo right now.

Nobody's buying this.

Yep, here's another image of an Eminem album cover. A man's face as it kind of

blends in with a flag.

What are some of the tracks on that album?

Walk on Water.

Your first track, you have Water to Wine.

River. You have the river.

What's with the star?

Star indicates a thingle.

River was a thingle, yeah.

You're getting some of these verbatim, word for word.

Yeah. It was a very important album to me.

It leaked the day of Dad's funeral.

You think that's why?

Do you have a real fear of stuff that's to come? Because there was one entry you

had with an asteroid hitting the Earth in 2029.

And coming back in 2036.

I've had dreams about it.

You've also had dreams. That asteroid entry is not free -riding. I purposely

wrote that one. Jesus Christ, Mike.

You have a shooting in Vegas, 2017, says Mandalay Bay.

Yeah.

Brooklyn, Florida, the school shooting, gun violence, it's all written together.

Right, but what do I do with it?

It's not even a matter of what do you do. If I go to the police and say, hey,

there's going to be a shooting, I'm going to get arrested.

I have a page open right here. It says contagious.

Says after a bite from a bat, the world shuts down from a virus that spreads

like the plague.

The president fails to control it and suddenly we're getting delivered

and even washing them. The vaccine isn't trusted and the scientists are idiots.

Nobody wears a mask and it never goes away.

This was written before 2020.

It was written in like 2010.

Correct. Says happy birthday, dad.

Life is so good.

and I keep waiting for it to drop on my head.

I don't want to lose you, but I have a bad feeling.

Is it coming? How long? Under five years.

That is like not telling us. Look at his skin. What is the relevance with look

at his skin?

Do you have that underlined?

I kept having a feeling,

dreams where he wasn't in them for the future.

So I told him to get checked for cirrhosis of the liver because his skin

ripping really easily.

And I told him, I was like, Dad, maybe you should get checked for cirrhosis.

he told me, oh, I'm fine. I'm fine, Mike.

And he died of cirrhosis.

You have this written in 2014.

Yeah.

What does it mean?

Did you ever show him this?

No. I told him to get checked.

I asked him if he would get some blood work.

Part of me thinks he already knew.

I lived in fear my whole entire life of my father's death.

It haunted me since I was a child.

I would open the door to make sure he's still breathing when I was 10.

And then when he passed away, I never felt anything about it again.

I'm not afraid of death anymore. I'm not.

Do you think you would have listened?

Bridget, if Michael had said something about you, something was going to happen

to you, would you have listened to him?

Yeah, I would. At this point now, because you've seen enough evidence?

warned you about stuff and you don't believe it.

Would you?

Well, if it was about me, yeah.

Bridget, Grandma, much older, long way to go. And then what is his name?

Thumner. Thumner. Who is that?

That was my grandpa.

And it has written here May 2nd, 2010, 84 years. And this was written May 2nd,

2009. Did Sumner die? I don't know. Yeah. I never told her grandmother this.

They're going to hate me for it. They're not going to hate you.

He died a year later.

To the day.

It's just mind -boggling for somebody who's had this many experiences like

you've had.

What is this?

Someone please.

Every time you turn to a new page, Mike.

Did you just write this, Mike?

What does it say?

Show me, because now I'm freaking out. Jesse tries to kill himself?

What? Wife dies after a battle with cancer.

It's a movie idea.

I've seen Ashley.

I've had this.

You've dreamed of this?

No.

I've seen it in waking life. I've seen her bald.

I've seen her with cancer.

It says, they live on another plane, always around us, always watching. They

appear to us like loved ones.

Because you know we're being haunted.

Stop. You're internalizing this stuff too much, Jesse.

Like, that's a movie idea, man.

Yeah, but a lot of my video ideas have ended up coming true. And you're writing

this movie. And now that I see the name, you've mentioned this movie before. So

it's one that you've been writing for a while.

It's an idea you've had for a long time.

It's all linked because you're feeling it. You're feeling the future.

Yeah. Genuinely, I never thought about it like that. Which part?

I'm writing movie ideas about shit.

I'm thinking it's a movie idea because it's an idea that came to me, but what

it's not? What if it's something?

Yeah.

It's a movie, man.

It's a movie, man.

So we're just stuck in this.

I mean, I feel like that's the only way for it to be true, right?

Yeah. We're fucked.

Would you want to try to tap in now?

Me and you, like, one -on -one, see if we can get anything?

It's not going to work.

What if it does?

Back in 2019, Jesse had this idea that maybe we could send messages to each

other if we're standing across from each other. So I had Bridget on the phone. I

texted her the emoji for the Easter Island head.

Let's see if he guesses it.

And he guessed it.

First thing out of his mouth was Easter Island.

And the hairs on my arms stuck up, and he thought we were lying. We both cried.

How do you explain it? How did that happen?

I wasn't reading your mind. It's just that I would later get exposed to Easter

Island, and I was somehow able to see it.

So you think the loop scenario. So because you see it here, you can see it

I have some things.

I'm afraid to speak it out loud.

Because I don't want it to be wrong.

I'm also afraid it might be right, too.

Waterfall, Appalachian, like evergreen trees.

Completely off, right?

Heisenberg. Well, at the end of Breaking Bad, he was... I'll give you a prompt.

Animal. Llama?

Mm -mm.

There's nothing to it. There's nothing to the... I keep trying. Keep trying.

You keep naming animals all day.

Horse.

Hippopotamus. Are we forcing it? Well, yeah, this is definitely forcing it.

So I got a word, actually, that came to me, and the word was feline.

What are we doing here? Like a cat.

What are we doing?

Uncle Larry.

Let's do one more. Eventually, a broken clock is right twice a day.

I have no explanation.

I'll pick another.

Let me pick another one. We're done.

That's it.

That's it.

That's what we need. We want to get at least one on camera.

Fake it then.

Who else is going to? How many people do you know that has a notebook?

How many people do you know that has predicted death like that? Everything

I've written has been on my own. Everything you have seen has been on

You can't do it under, like, people staring.

This is the day that we have. We're in your house, so there's nowhere to leave.

I'll catch an Uber.

I'm going to leave and walk away. We did it once. We can do it again.

We did it once. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. I can't do this all day with

you. You agreed to let us film here.

And we've been here for seven and a half hours. I want to get one.

What is this?

I told you.

It's precognitive dream work by Eric Wargo. He also wrote this book, Time

I'm going to interview him. I think it'd be great if you were there.

Where does he live?

Washington, D .C.

No, thank you.

You want answers? You want to understand it like I do? Then, yeah, we're going

to talk to the expert who knows. And what is me being in Eric Wargo's house

going to solve on anything? If you read these books and he talks about what's in

there, you will be convinced. He's coming up with terms. He's been studying

for decades.

How much money have you spent on this?

I've invested everything into this film.

Everything, Jesse?

Oh, my God.

I still get these visions. I still get things.

I haven't gotten anything in a while.

Maybe because you've closed yourself off to it. I don't, yeah, that's exactly

what I've done. And you should too.

Can you please, can you come with me? Because I'm tired of feeling like I'm

alone in this.

I know we haven't talked in a bit.

But I thought it'd be nice to reopen that and I have somebody who's been

with me. Hey, you can write me anytime that you want.

Okay? Of course, dude.

You just gotta unblock me.

And your dad and your mom.

Have your family unblock me. We can be friends.

But this, I can't go to this guy's house. I can't.

I thought you were giving it to me.

You have money. Go order your own book. You probably won't.

I wasn't going to read it. I didn't think so.

Your own dad's death, how many times in there?

And you still can't honestly look me in the eyes and say you don't believe that

there's something here.

Look me in the eyes and tell me.

that you don't believe there's something here?

You want to know the truth?

If it's real, and I could have prevented it, I don't know how I live with

myself.

That's the truth.

If I could have said something to Dad, or I could have prevented it, I'm not

going to be able to live with myself.

It can't be real.

It can't. It can't be real.

Of all the people in this thick joke that would be having these visions, it's

just me and this guy who have faked our entire lives for the internet. You can

show them proof on this movie and they'll never believe you.

I'm sorry, man.

I'll believe you.

If you show me proof, I'll believe you. Not enough.

Gotta be.

Sorry that business stuff didn't work out with us.

I did that business because I believed it. I hope you believe in me now because

I don't have anything left. I need to figure out what this is.

God damn, I just hope people believe it.

Because if this comes out and they don't believe the stuff that we're saying,

I'm done.

I don't think I can recover from that. Just prepare yourself for the

that they will.

Yeah, we were coming from South Carolina, and then there's my fellow

He's had a lot of experiences, and then, yeah, he didn't really want to come

with, so it's just me.

Why didn't he want to come?

He's actually a bit freaked out by all of it. People are scared of the topic.

Yeah. Scared when it happens, and they don't understand.

It really makes me feel like that I'm just kind of playing all of this out,

I don't have control of anything.

maybe that's true.

I'm about to like trauma dump on you. And then made the mistake of putting my

email on the book.

It's not a mistake, but, but I've gotten a lot of emails. How do you feel when

people start telling you their dreams? I love hearing, I love hearing their

dreams because dreams are the most brilliant, brilliant things. And we're

genius artists while we're sleeping.

And that ingenuity in the way person will represent some future event in the

dream scenario.

is just, it's brilliant.

I'm Eric Wargo. I have a PhD in anthropology and I work as a science

Washington, D .C. I am the author of two books on precognition, Time Looped and

Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self.

Physicists since Einstein's time have pretty much accepted that we live in

what's called a block universe.

That is to say, we live in a space -time continuum.

What that implies is that the future already exists.

And if that cosmology, that block universe cosmology that allows something

precognition to exist because it means that there is a future that can

us now. You can get all kinds of things out of your dreams. You can get creative

insights, personal insights.

You need to get a feel for that associative language, get a feel for the

that your brain is taking real life and twisting it and transforming it.

and turning it into something symbolic.

In the ancient world, in ancient Greece, in ancient Egypt, there were temples

and caves where people would go to dream, to have healing dreams.

And there were priests that would help you interpret your dreams. And it was

believed that they could, by sleeping in caves, they could get in touch with the

dead. And the dead, because they didn't have bodies, were more in touch with the

future. And so they would ask the dead questions about the future.

Once I would get control of my dreams, I would start to query future

information. Dead family members would tell me things. It was almost like I got

control. And it started to become a very bad thing. It is a bad

thing. It is currently a bad thing.

It's like an obsession now of, like, trying to get future information, you

Because I've had relatives die that I knew would die.

And I want to stop it.

But I can't stop it.

Then why show it?

What do I do?

You know?

What is it?

It's a normal thing.

And it happens to everybody.

It doesn't feel like it's normal.

Well, it doesn't feel like it's normal because our... Culture doesn't normalize

it.

Okay, our culture, first of all, sweeps the whole topic under the rug. One of

the things that I've learned in my study of this topic is that those bad things

that you dream about, they're just a tiny fraction.

If I decide to lean into it, that this was all a real thing, that, okay, maybe

you can see a little bit into the future, well, then all of this is BS.

All of what is BS?

existence, like life.

Like, it just feels like I don't have choice, that I don't have any free will

whatsoever.

You know, I think the free will thing is partly a Western hang -up.

Einstein's discoveries showed that for any, like, any present moment in the

universe, there's a point of view from which it's already in the past. So from

that point of view, it's not freely willed.

Prophecies are always on some level self -fulfilling.

That is to say, they are part of a loop where our freely willed actions lead to

some point that we have prophesied.

And that point that we have prophesied has fed back and influenced our actions

leading to that point. It kind of created some form of magic in this world

was, I guess, nice to cling to.

And it's given you the topic of a feature film.

Here we are.

It's incredibly common for artists.

for their life to imitate their art in some uncanny way. There was an 1898

called Futility by a sea adventure writer named Morgan Robertson. And in

this novel, the largest ocean liner ever, called Titan, collides with an

on an April night.

In the North Atlantic, on a run between New York and Liverpool, and almost all

the passengers are killed because there aren't enough lifeboats.

Virtually that same scenario played out 14 years later, the Titanic disaster.

In that case, it was a mirror image of that run between Liverpool and New York.

So many people, for instance, had premonitions of 9 -11 before it

David Mandel woke up from a dream on September 11, 1996.

in which the towers in New York were crashing together.

And he painted this and then had himself photographed under the clock at his

local bank because he very frequently had premonitions, dream premonitions

came true. And a few months after that, he had another dream of planes crashing

into the towers. So as you can imagine, he was pretty stunned when the event

unfolded on 9 -11 in 2001.

You have a term for that in your book, right? Yeah, calendrical resonance.

Well, there's some way in which just the same way that you might be

unconsciously primed by an anniversary to like, you know, I'm in a bad mood

today. And you look at the calendar, it's like, oh, this is the day that my

girlfriend broke up with me two years, you know, two years ago, whatever. The

same way that we're primed that way, I think we're primed in the opposite

direction. Had you heard of this woman in Toronto?

She won $60 million in 2021 based off of...

the exact sequence of numbers that were dreamt by her husband 19 years earlier.

Wow. No, I did not know about that case.

Tried to get her an interview and talk to the lottery, and I talked to the

and they were like, she's not giving any handouts.

Right. Everybody was like, no, I just want to talk to her about the dream and

the numbers. I don't want the money, right?

To have a dream that comes true a day later, well, that's pretty mind

To have a dream that comes true decades later, like talk about... certainty that

you live in a block universe i even had one small dream where it was real basic

i just felt in the back of my mouth really sharp pain in the back near the

molars and it inspired me to be go to the dentist and there was a cavity right

there and so That dream just really helped me out there.

Freud's story is so ironic from start to finish, it's not even funny. He was

having arguably precognitive experiences throughout his life. He didn't really

dream of how he was going to die, but he dreamed about the oral cancer that he

was going to develop later in his life. Part of the dream was the symptoms in

the mouth of one of his patients, you know, nearly three decades later,

exactly what happened in his own mouth. I argue that Green was a premonition

that just went unrecognized, as most premonitions do.

Harriet Tubman had...

what we would now call very standard precognitive dreams. Dreams about a

particular family member being in danger. She would see herself flying

landscape. She would dream about women dressed in white who would help her on

her journeys to the north. When she was in her early teens, she received a very

strong blow on the head. Quite common in the biographies of people with powerful

precognitive experiences that they have some sort of physical trauma, like a

head injury. or being struck by lightning or something like that. I had

injury right around when I was the age of 21.

Do you feel like that brain injury has any relevance to this? I've had them

after the brain injury, before the brain injury. One of the most striking modern

cases of a regular precognitive dreamer is a woman named Elizabeth Krohn. In

1988, she was struck by lightning. She started having regular precognitive

dream. And one of the vivid details was that the passengers were somehow

standing on the wings. What happened was a few hours later, Chesley Sullenberger

pilots his plane to a safe landing on the Hudson. All the passengers then come

out standing on the wings waiting to be rescued by a nearby boat. And these

photos went viral on the Internet. Was it the lightning strike which somehow

jolted something loose in her brain, you know, or did it just, like, give her

this heightened awareness of death?

things that would magnetize her attention after that. You know, was it

like a trauma? Who knows? I mean, I think there's all kinds of ways in which

these kinds of experiences can change us.

Precognition is intuition by another name. It is a kind of memory. It's a

of connection to our own future, the same way memory, ordinary memory, is a

connection to our past.

Where does deja vu fall into this? Because I've had a tremendous amount,

would swear that it was a dream that I had that I didn't write down, and that's

where that familiarity came from.

Yeah, a lot of people ask that. A lot of people think that, well, deja vu must

be an aspect of this, and it could be. The trouble is there's no way to test

I remember I was in Atlantic City getting a call that one of my close

had overdosed. His name was Scott. He shows up in my dreams a lot.

I remember walking this Atlantic City street, thinking Scott had just died,

I just got this crazy deja vu. I was like, I'd lived this before.

Whoa. I just had deja vu.

What?

I just had deja vu.

Nuh -uh.

Is it odd? No, I just had deja vu.

How could that be possible?

Usually it's knowing what people are going to say.

Like I've already heard them say the phrase before they said it and I could

word for word say it. But then all of a sudden it like it does feel like it

shifts. Like once I draw attention to it, all of a sudden you lose it. Yeah.

Another thing that contributes to precognitive abilities is sort of being

to linger on that border line between waking and sleep.

Semi -awake states, it's called hypnagogia. Those are the sort of

images that you have on your way to falling asleep. Those are often rich for

precognitive material.

Thomas Edison famously got inspiration by maintaining himself in a state of

hypnagogia, and I don't know exactly what his method was. Salvador Dali, he's

the one who used a pair, like he'd hold some keys in his hand, he would have a

plate below the keys, and he would sit in a chair, and then as he...

dozed off he'd drop the keys and that would wake him up and so that's the key

accessing hypnagogic information or in dolly's case painted i mean he would

paint these very elaborate paintings of these just bizarre images that would

occur to him on the edge of sleep because can i show you something sure

come across this man before no do you look familiar at all no He's appeared

in multiple dreams of mine, and he's told me future information.

Well, dreams always personify things, and they personify abstractions. And it

sounds like your dreaming brain is personifying the idea of precognition.

an abstraction right there. And it's personifying it by attaching it to a

figure. To me, I feel...

as close to evil as you can get. Like, I don't get a good impression from him,

and when he tells me any of these details, I almost feel like he's got an

that is not for my benefit.

Isn't that how you feel about precognition in general?

Figures that appear evil in our dreams, if we encounter them in real life,

they're not evil at all. I mean, don't be afraid of this guy.

Like, he's like the last person I'm going to see.

In your life, you mean?

Yeah.

So, like, if I ever do see him, I think that'll be it.

I think that'll be the end.

I would say that you're probably wrong.

Traveled all the way across the country to Ion. This is the Institute of Noetic

Sciences. This is one of the premier research facilities on consciousness.

We're getting to talk to some of the lead researchers in this field, and

finally, I can get some answers.

Aw, I'll be damned.

He actually showed up.

Hello there, sir.

Okay.

Wow. I didn't think you'd show up, man.

Yep.

You seem like you're, like, not even sure why you're here.

I'm not sure why I'm here.

You said you had something.

Yep, the scientists are kind enough to let us in with the cameras and let us do

some experiments.

So, if you're ready, then let's do it.

I'm open to it. Hey, I wouldn't be here if I didn't trust you.

Like, bleeding for no reason.

But the one day we're all white, it was bleeding.

You nervous?

You can't be bringing the nervous energy and it'll affect the results.

Hi, Jesse. Hey, Cedric. Welcome to IONS. How are you? Thank you. Thanks for

doing this. This is Michael, too, by the way. Nice to meet you. I'm Cedric. I

thought he could be doing some of the experiments with us. Sure, of course. No

problem. Cool. Well, are you guys ready to go see the lab?

Oh, it's not here.

It's downstairs, yeah. These are the offices.

Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, we're here.

We're a little nervous, honestly.

Don't worry. You'll be safe.

So you actually believe in this stuff?

Well, I believe in the scientific method, and we do see significant

And I do believe people's subjective experiences.

But it's definitely a hard question to answer.

Yeah, very hard question, Mike.

What is this about? This is a look at a sixth sense through time, through all

the ages.

People that can heal.

This book's not even in English.

I can't read this.

Every single one of these books is on consciousness, parapsychology,

precognition. So you can't tell me there's not something here or else

wouldn't have dedicated hundreds of years of research.

Imagine writing a book this big.

I don't even want to read a book that big.

The Memoirs of a Psychic Spy. Yeah, and then they got remote viewers.

Remote viewing? Where's that at? Eric Orgo is talking about Joe McMoneagle,

Remote Viewer 001.

They'd have him pick a spot in the world.

He'd see it and draw it, photographic memory.

And then they'd reveal the location, and then they'd look at it with the

picture. It's a perfect match. Is that real?

Yeah. Yeah. This happened?

100%. This is a real thing. They ran, it was Operation Stargate. They ran it for

like 20, 30 years.

And they had success with it, and then they shut it down.

Why would they shut it down? Well, the theory is that it's still going, but

more in secret now.

Weren't there, like, CIA documents that leaked when they were really working on

this stuff? No, it's all public now.

It came out, like, five years ago.

I don't know. So you can even read it all for yourself. It's possible that's

just precognition. It's because they get exposed to the location, the future.

It just all keeps going back to it.

Exactly. It is interesting. Like, maybe everything just boils down to

precognition.

Like maybe that's love at first sight. Exactly. Maybe you just, when you feel

it, I feel like I know you. Right.

Well, you will.

That's interesting.

I'm a senior research associate at IONS. I've been here for about five years. We

have studied meditation,

altered states of consciousness, precognition, presentiment, telepathic

experiences,

remote viewing, all these phenomena that exist.

People may access information that transcends space and time, that there

more to reality than we think.

Why? I'm not saying anything.

And this goes back to decades ago with the double slit experiment.

I'm convinced.

My favorite topic is pre -sentimental precognition, mainly because I feel like

it's the easiest to control scientifically.

The easiest?

Today we're going to use this headset called the Gallia, made by OpenBCI, a

headset that...

combines VR with electrophysiology.

And so we're going to use that to study how your body may have processes that

may predict car crashes.

I'm not going to get shocked, right?

No. Have you guys done tests where it is?

Because I've seen it seems like it's more linked towards the more emotional

response of the thing that gets precognized.

We did see an increase in the occipital regions, which is the visual regions, as

if the participants were seeing something.

And that was only 130 milliseconds before the image appeared.

130 milliseconds?

Yeah, that's very, very fast.

I mean, I feel like that's proof right there, right? I mean, if you go 130

milliseconds, then what's stopping you from doing more?

What do you mean?

Let's get this thing on Jesse.

They're passively recording.

Passively? Yeah.

Dude, it looks like a jigsaw trap.

See how it looks?

Who are the players in this space?

IONS has been their leader for a long time, generating the chief scientist

that's done most of the work.

Should we act like there was an accident?

Yeah, like once every...

It's not that crazy.

Right, right.

So I don't scream and throw it off my head, right?

Yeah, kind of like you just saw. Right, okay, yeah.

It doesn't matter too much. Whatever's on your mind.

So this, like, proves what?

You can mirror activity from the future to the past. What time? Let go.

I've seen enough. There's nothing here, dude.

It's no disrespect.

I just don't. What do you want to know?

Nothing moves here.

I got to go.

Can you wait? Hold on.

Do you have anything?

I feel like I'm a burden of this. I got to go. No, no. I think it's fine.

Michael, what's your take on a drug that's commonly taken or, for example, a

COVID vaccine?

Are you convinced it is efficient?

Because you took the vaccine, right? I took the vaccine.

Yeah. I got COVID. I'm alive.

So if you look at the reports, the science that validated the Pfizer

for example, they had a confidence level of 95%. And that allowed the vaccine to

be released to the world safely.

And they had, for example... I agree. I like it. Yeah.

So the 95%. 95 % confidence.

No,

it's good. It's good. Okay. You took the vaccine, Mike.

Yeah.

Knowing it was 95%, but you're not willing to take the pre -sentiment

which was that at 95%. It's different research, Jesse.

Have you done dream -related studies?

Right. As, like, people dream, yeah, like, say, dreaming specifically, or,

visions and things?

That would be Julianne Musbridge, maybe. I haven't personally.

I mean, I could talk about the data, but honestly, it's not convincing.

You all know that I believe that this is true and that the statistics stand by

it. But let me ask you, is there any particular statistical test you would

to believe this?

Or would you prefer personal experience?

Three quarters of the audience, personal experience. These are statisticians.

Their whole job is to draw conclusions from statistics. And what personal

experience do you feel like they were looking for? They need to have it

themselves. Everyone needs to have it themselves. And that's why I'm so

passionate about lifting the stigma.

Yeah. Because probably 80 to 85 % of people have had experiences like these.

Wow. Since I was a kid, I've been having very detailed predictive dreams. And I

started to take a dream journal down. They were so detailed and clear that I

became convinced that this wasn't my unconscious mind. I was like a field

to be planted.

So people who are particularly skilled at music, we notice as their children,

and we say, hey, we're going to give you piano lessons, we're going to give you

voice lessons, you know, drum, whatever it is, right? With this kind of stuff,

there's stigma, there's concern, there's fear of the devil. So that if you're in

that top 3 % to 5%, you're more likely to shut that down. Is it a funding

Yeah, there's very little money in research.

You have to run a whole study, recruit all these participants, measure them,

analyze the data, publish a manuscript, often pressured to have an effect.

So there's a whole group of scientists and institutions that are trying to

disprove what you have been doing? There are a few.

You're not holding back?

No. Everyone's so careful because they have to be.

But I don't have to be.

Yeah, because, I mean, you're in this field. I decided to not pursue tenure

-track academic positions at Tier 1 research institutions because I was told

take this off my resume if I wanted to pursue those. You were told to take what

off? To take anything related to psychic stuff off of my resume.

Psychic stuff?

Yeah, yeah. And I said, no, thank you, because it's the most interesting stuff

do. Are you kidding me? People can predict the future, and I can show that

scientifically? Not taking that off my resume, thank you. I'll just go do that.

Is this why we're at where we're at? They laughed at me. They laughed.

When she read, oh, I'm reading her resume more closely. She's done some

interesting stuff. And then people laugh.

I've always been really skilled at noticing how people are, how they carry

themselves, how they express themselves, their tone of voice.

And so when a teacher would say something and the words were wrapped in

and there was a little bit of a nudge or a nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Those people who believe in this. Right.

That tells you there's something there. There's a sense of there's truth there.

So they have to cover up the truth because there's this unknown thing that

don't really understand.

Yeah. And that goes into shame.

So I've seen that cycle over and over again. And so you can pinpoint where in

the future there will be scientific revolutions based on where the shame is

Do you believe that precognition is real?

I've heard experiences that seem...

Far from being possible by coincidence, but I don't know. We don't know.

Well, if you had to pick a thought, like if you had to boil it down, like a yes

or no, like do you believe, like what camp do you side?

I'm in the middle. Let's see. So if time's going this way, let's pretend

linear. Ha, ha, ha.

So anyway, time's going this way in a line, and here's an event that occurs,

here's your prediction of the event, and that these are in relationship with

each other.

I'm creating the loop with the film.

Yep. It's like nature's way of making things important.

Right. And making connections that weren't there before. It's really

I think this is interwoven with the fabric of the universe, and it's

And so it just kind of lends itself to the case for meditation and being more

relaxed. Oh, shit.

Like 257. Oh, okay. All right.

Can we get a handheld?

Is that it would be really valuable to try to figure out how to harness this.

wouldn't be the first country who tried to do that. Do you think it's still

ongoing? I don't know enough to know. I don't have a security clearance right

now. Do you think this is all precursor to developing some ability to navigate

through time differently?

Why, yes, I do.

You do? Yeah. I call that informational time travel, and that's what I work on

now is how can we send ourselves a message from the future? That would be

useful. Is there anything I can do to channel that further? Yes, so

unconditional love. So self -transcended experiences where you're connected with

something larger than yourself.

Being in a state of unconditional love, I've shown in two studies now that that

actually increases accuracy in terms of receiving information from the future.

So just removing the filters.

I've got to go.

What does unconditional love do?

Unconditional love, which is really...

Loving without the need for something to change. Like loving as is.

When you love something as is, you're also loving basically the calculation

the universe has made.

You're saying this is what's true.

Is there somewhere I can go?

In here, buddy.

I come all the way to Ion.

I come all the way to Ion trying to... Get out of here.

You don't think it's at Ion?

No. But sometimes you have to go places.

Sometimes God takes you places so that you can go home.

Yeah, I gotta go

What's

with the YouTube videos that Mm -hmm. Was it like my youtube channel that the

higher -ups like to not give us enough time or The what sorry like my youtube

channel was it that like do you like why they don't give you more time with us

or we get hundreds request every day and You know, we're such a tiny, we

look like a big organization.

We're like five scientists.

It was surprising that, like, nobody else wanted to be interviewed.

Yeah, they're very, very busy people.

And it's not personal.

We have stuff currently that hasn't come true yet that we're, you know.

Anticipating. I had one hand.

Die next year.

Heart attack.

So how would it help if we had an answer?

Would it help, do you think it would help you cope with the stress of it?

Because it wouldn't prevent his death if that was going to happen.

I don't know, I told you this when my mom dreamt.

She saw a death certificate and it was in a car on a bridge in the 2020s. So

like now we're here and it's just like I'm deaf.

Do you guys do sleep studies?

We are doing one currently on lucid dreaming that's very exploratory.

I'll do whatever you guys want me to do.

Well, yeah, this one's just completed and I'm sorry. Whenever, whenever.

We'll let you know. Whenever. Sure.

Because I thought, you know, with you guys being the premier researchers, that

there'd be something more for me to solve some of the things that I've dealt

with in my life.

It's been haunting me.

That's what's driven me out here to Ion since I wanted to talk with somebody who

knew, you know, what was going on.

Scared the hell out of me knowing that, like, you guys are the premier spot and

you don't know.

You know, when his dad was going to die.

He wrote it down.

He wrote it down. And I knew people that I didn't.

Complete strangers to me when they were going to die.

I don't want to have these experiences anymore.

I've had hundreds of experiences that this film's all about.

And I just need to find out what the fuck is going on.

Well, you might talk to some of my colleagues that have better answers. I

I didn't come all this way. I live out here. It's like $25 ,000.

It's a lot of money.

Try to get something.

And I got my reputation on the line, you know.

We're trying to do something real with this documentary.

And it's hard when we're doing experiments.

Like, I thought we were going to do real experiments here. But I put the helmet

on, and there was nothing.

I told you what we were going to do.

It's hard because I want people to trust us. And, like, this is a real struggle.

And provide, like, some sort of validity to this space.

And then we come here, and you were 90 minutes late in the first day.

And you're late today.

And we try to do experiments, and we talk for months. Are you serious?

Yeah. I told you. It hurts. It hurts me. I put so much in. My supervisor gave me

three hours today for you, and I.

because you were motivated, and I believe in your cause, I give you two

And, yes, I told you you had personal emergencies going on. People come to us

for validity, and that's not what we do. So that's on you. I'm sorry.

We don't validate people's experiences. We try to understand them with our

scientific tools, and if it's not enough for you.

I'm dropping the bomb here.

That happens all the time. I didn't realize it was in

that kind of place where they think scientists can...

of their life and let them cope with death and their experiences.

If it's getting on camera that Michael's going to die in one year and it

happens, I mean, that's better proof than science to me.

Ugh, hey.

I'm sorry, but I look like a fucking idiot out there.

Hey, you keep looking, man. That's it.

Just keep looking, Jess.

This was the top.

The answers ain't here. They gotta be somewhere.

We're not alone.

There can't be just two of us in the world.

There's people.

Other people have this too, man.

Come on, man.

I love you. I appreciate you coming out here. I didn't think you'd come. I

didn't think you'd come out here.

I didn't think I was either.

But if you want to go, I understand, you know.

Bro, I'm just...

I'm glad to spend time with you, man.

No, it's been good.

You got your family.

This is my journey.

I appreciate you coming all the way. That's the answers, bro. That's all we

need. I know.

That's it. I'll go in and do whatever I need to do.

That's what I've always done.

So I appreciate you, man.

Your mom's going to be fine, man.

Don't even think about that. She's like the best person, bro.

That's the scariest part.

That's always how it works.

You already know you can change it, Jess. You already did.

I try not to use that one example, though.

Maybe you're right. I don't know.

Hi, Jesse.

Yeah?

What are you doing here?

You know, you should throw one of your LAN parties.

We don't hang out enough.

We can't hang out.

You died five years ago.

Of course we can hang out. We can hang out right now.

Play some jailbreak.

Do some tree climbing.

I hadn't seen you in like seven years.

I'm on a whim. I decided to get food. And there you were.

I'm so happy to see you.

Hoist me up off the ground.

You're always larger than life, Scott.

And later that night, you died of an overdose.

You always question everything, don't you, Jesse?

Hey there, yum yum.

Didn't think your fat uncle could catch your candy ass.

Let me stand still.

Yeah? Well, you keep pushing me with these damn videos, I'll have a heart

attack.

I can't be here.

The hell I can't.

I can be wherever I want to be, asswipe. You don't understand.

Hey, we're not as dumb as you make us out to be.

You're my nephew, Jesse. I'd do anything for you.

Oh, Jesus, don't start crying, you freaking douchebag.

You know, you almost had me with that one video where you gave your dad the

You ought to make a video from when I tried to come to the house and you were

all paranoid about getting COVID.

You died of COVID.

Yeah.

Well, we all got to go sometime, right?

Hey.

Don't leave your poor grandmother waiting too long.

What?

I'm sorry to come to the hospital.

It's okay.

I didn't know.

Yeah, I know. The dream.

A pretty thick one.

You guys are all dead.

Try not to remember.

It doesn't always have to be so bad.

Yeah, well, life hasn't been the same since you all passed.

You were my favorite person, Grandma.

I'm not your grandma.

But...

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't defeated right now. Got my tail between my legs

coming back to South Jersey.

I feel like a loser right now. So not much I can do, but maybe confront some

the old dreams of the past.

That's dope, man.

We got to be quick. We're shooting. We're shooting right now. We're shooting

right now.

Hi, Joan.

Hey, Jess.

How's it going?

How you doing? Pretty good. Been a long time.

Very long time, yeah.

You doing all right?

I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Good to see you.

You too.

It's been, uh, like ten years.

That long?

Yeah. Been kind of going back through my past, trying to get different stories.

Do you ever remember me telling you any dreams I've had?

About you?

Yes, I certainly do remember that.

What do you remember from it?

Well, I remember you came in and you said, I've got to tell you some news.

of it's good, some of it's bad.

What do you want to hear first? It must be bad.

No, I didn't think it was. No? Really? No, head -on crash, coming around the

curve, coming to work.

Then me dying.

And then you told me the good stuff, that the angel came down, picked me up,

took me upstairs.

I don't remember that part. So I'm happy. That's what you told me. You said

angel came down.

And was taking me up on that curve. I always had attention to make sure

nothing's coming head on to me.

And which way would I go? And so it was very easy. You saved my life.

You really did.

I cried. I didn't know. You know, I said, boy, it was, you know, it was that

close. It was really close. And the trucker never stopped. He just came

and called.

I noticed they're still like that. Yeah, I know. Coming around here. Yeah.

Why did you listen?

I feel like it would be crazy.

Because I believe in that kind of stuff.

I do.

I believe things like that happen, that you get warnings.

Did I ever tell you about other dreams I had?

Joe Barca.

Yeah. Do you remember what it was? Our barber in town, yeah.

Yeah, I had a dream that a man in a suit just said, your barber's going to die.

Your barber's going to die. It was literally the next day that Joe Barca

heart attack.

Yeah, but he didn't die.

From the heart attack?

I think it was a couple years later. He lived to 103.

Joe Barca.

And had COVID, and that's what took him. He died of COVID?

Yeah.

Well, that just throws everything off for me.

Well.

I've been basing all of this, we call it precognition also.

Those dreams like you were like my third or fourth one and that one was the

first one that kicked it off And I was like the next day like but you're

me he didn't die. Oh Now

I'm gonna look like I'm full The

barbershop still open yeah juniors over there Joe juniors doing the

cutting yeah

I wonder how he would react.

I know. How did you react?

Well, I told myself I better watch out for a red tractor trailer coming because

I didn't want to meet that one yet. I wasn't ready.

But I think with Joe, it might disturb him, Junior.

Yeah. Yeah, I've been thinking maybe a little too much about it.

Well, so then turn it off.

Yeah.

Easier said than done.

Seems like the more spiritual people have more of an understanding than the

scientists. As it relates to that stuff?

Yeah, the scientists, they have no idea.

So you think it would be a God thing?

Oh, definitely.

I don't think it's the devil.

You don't think the man in the suit who's in my dreams is the devil?

When you go to sleep, think about something, really good times or

that.

Or keep telling yourself, I can't keep doing this because it's going to make me

crazy, and my whole life is going to lose everything.

I feel like I already am. Oh, I know. I know. I feel like I'm losing it a little

bit. You look haunted to me.

I can see it in your eyes.

So we're at Evan Higgins' apartment right now.

He thinks we're here just to interview him for the car accident he was in many

years ago. I don't feel good about sort of stretching the truth in that regard,

but I thought there's really no easy way to say, hey, I dreamt you would be

paralyzed.

Thanks for sitting down with me, Evan.

It's probably a little weird because would you say we were friends in high

school or how would you?

I mean, I knew you. I was in a tennis team with you, and I was in, like, one

two classes. Were you JV?

I don't even know if I made JV.

We were, like, in the branch below that. Yeah.

JJV. I didn't play professionally or anything, like, competition -wise.

I wanted to talk to you because you had a traumatic brain injury. That was in

high school, right?

Yeah, I was a senior in high school.

I was driving.

An unfamiliar road, and I got T -boned when I was crossing the intersection.

They had to remove both sides of my skull.

to allow my brain to swell. I was in a coma for 24, 48 hours, around that time.

And then I had no skull bone for 12 weeks. I had to relearn every single

in my life. One plus one, eat, sleep, bathroom.

I was in a wheelchair for several months.

So the accident was over 10 years ago, yet it still affects you today.

Yeah, so brain injury is going to basically make me disabled for the rest

life. Do you feel like that the accident was always going to happen?

Um, no, I don't think that really was the case.

So... You feel like you had a choice?

Um, a choice as in what?

To not get into the accident?

Or do you feel like it just had to play itself out?

I mean, I didn't... The stop sign was, like, moved a little bit, so I wasn't

able to see it. Brett, do you wish you could go back?

So, those kind of questions kind of came initially when I was, like, in the

hospital, but...

I just figured, you know, it happened. I got to move on. I'm very glad about

where I'm at in life because I'm able to be very independent.

I have my own apartment. I work. I drive.

Everything's good, I mean, to an extent. But there are other people, there are

other parts of the brain where— Can I share something with you?

Yeah, sure.

Because I have some regrets.

That's something I haven't told you about, like, why I really wanted to come

talk to you.

I had a dream before it happened.

I was in the gymnasium at school, and I saw you in the distance, and I noticed

a light fixture in the ceiling, loose.

And suddenly it just fell.

And you were directly under it.

And it crushed you.

And I was like, Jesus, I don't think he's going to make it out of that.

And so I walked over to your body.

You were fully crushed and your legs.

The legs were pinned.

And I remember they were also flailing.

And then they were still.

When I looked at it in a dream, I thought, Evan's paralyzed.

And then I would see you walking around gym every school day.

And I thought, should I tell him about this dream?

Because up until that point, I had other dreams of people dying and they've come

true. Other crazy things.

Bad things happening, and that's what this film's really about.

Okay. I regret not telling you one of those days.

At least a few weeks, maybe a month, before the accident happened.

Then I wondered, well, if I just told Evan, maybe, as weird as it was, maybe

something in your brain would click, and for some reason, you just wouldn't have

gotten into the accident. Like a warning, a premonition.

Um... Um...

The fact that you're envisioning legs and stuff too, that's definitely

very chilling, I guess you can best say.

Have you spoken to a medical professional about that?

Yeah, this is my therapy.

Okay. I have no regrets in my life of what happened, so everything's good. I

mean, you're fine.

I'll take it. I can't really...

Imagine how you're feeling. It's a big weight on your shoulder that you have to

decide to save someone's life.

Honestly, I would not have known how I would have reacted if this happened

months prior. So I can't imagine myself living in a bubble, especially at 17,

where... I did not think it would be this hard.

These are multiple letters from Joe Barca himself, even one from us to Joe

that we never sent.

This is our most recent letter. Mr. Jesse, I would like to thank you for the

fruit and nuts gift package you presented to me. Thank you, thank you

bottom of my heart. My wife Marie is enjoying it. Also, to the utmost.

Try calling him.

My, our Lord and Savior, richly blessed for your thoughtfulness. I am feeling a

little better after my horrible accident on Willow Grove Road.

State police arrived, EMT. The utility pole landed on top of my rented car.

I've been in a lot of pain the last 18 days, not sleeping at all, many.

It has been very, very difficult, but I trust God that someday I will be healed.

I am an old man living in my 75th year on this earth. I am not well, he's

underlined. My good man, Jesse, looking forward to your filming on October 17th

at my shop along with meeting your film crew. I think, sir, you will be

impressed. I hear the TV turn off from the inside.

Somebody's clearly in there. They gave me a cell phone number. You can hear it

ring from inside the house.

The craziest thing is the day that we were to go interview Joe Barca is the

that I blacked out.

I was sick for at least a week and a half.

I ended up blacking out and falling in the bathroom floor. I had a fever of

103 degrees for four or five nights.

So I got COVID, and it was given to me by Michael at the lab in San Francisco.

I feel like it all could have been avoided, but of course not, because I

precogged it like three weeks prior.

Yeah, I had a dream a few weeks ago or something.

You got COVID.

Found it very odd, like a full circle, weird synchronicity that Barka blacks

when we're trying to interview him. And then the day we finally have him, I

black out.

For some reason, we're just stuck.

Stuck together in time.

Hi, Joe. It's Jesse Ridgway.

I came by the barbershop.

Wanted to see if you were ready to be interviewed for our film.

I was over to the house. I left you a letter. Please give me a call back.

Thanks. Bye.

Sometimes I wake at night and watch the rain fall

through the streetlight.

You're standing still in my mind, fading out,

waving goodbye.

And I wonder where you are tonight.

If the one you're with was a compromise.

You're walking light in parallel.

Hey, Pixie, how many times do we got to do this?

What do you mean?

How about so you don't care?

Of course I care. I'm sitting here by myself taking care of everything.

Sometimes I'm overcome by every choice I

couldn't outrun.

The junctions all disappear.

You can't double back to your summer years.

And I wonder where you are tonight.

If the one you're with was a compromise

to your walking life.

And I wonder where you are tonight.

If what you did was a compromise,

could our walking lives be parallel?

But we'll never be as just as well,

just as right.

And I wonder where you are tonight.

If the one you're with was a compromise.

We're walking lives in parallel.

We'll never meet.

And it's just as well.

Thank you.

Rolling. We just passed Barca. He's way in the distance.

Either he turns left to go into 40 or post office.

Probably those are the only two options that make sense.

No passing.

Fuck it.

Barca mode, baby.

Oh, is that the green car right there?

Yeah. It's leaving the post office. Oh, and there's Burroughs. And there's

Burroughs. What the fuck?

Oh.

Oh.

Joe.

Joe.

How's it going?

I want to talk to you.

Oh, he's pulling over.

Yeah, just stay in the car.

I'll walk up.

Hey, Joe. How's it going?

It's great to see you.

You doing well?

Fair. Fair, fair.

I don't think I'm interested in doing this. No?

I've thought about it and all that.

I'm not interested.

I don't want to be publicized and all that.

Is there anything I could do to... No, no, not really. I know you're having

trouble financially with the car accident and stuff. Maybe is there some

could cut you a check?

No, sir.

No, sir. I'm okay.

Because it seemed like you were down, it was like a couple weeks ago, in the

letter. You were excited to meet the crew and all that.

It was, but things have changed.

Things have changed. I just don't have the vision. I don't have the willpower.

I just don't want to do it. You put a lot of work in, man.

Yeah, thank you. You've done a lot for the community and your family.

Yeah, thank you. I hate to see you, you know, just down on yourself, you know?

I have to go.

Yeah, yeah.

Have a good day. Could I share something with you? Because I wanted to tell you

this. It was kind of weird for me. I had a dream one night that this man in the

suit.

Told me, your barber's going to die. It was later that night your dad had a

heart attack.

True, true. Yeah, how about that? That's something. Yeah, that's right.

But he didn't die from that. No, no, no, no.

He had two heart attacks.

He didn't recover from that. He recovered.

That's weird, right? The dream with the... Right, right, right, right.

I've been sitting on that for 15 years, and I didn't know what to make of that.

Have you ever had dreams?

Dreams? Yeah, occasionally at times. Yes, I do. Yes.

Has anything ever come true?

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

Any crazy ones?

Yeah, I've had a couple.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Super interesting.

Right. I have to go. Yeah, yeah. God bless you, Joe. Keep your head up, man.

Yes, I will. Keep your head up. Thank you. Bye -bye. Bye. Thank you.

Yeah, I wish it went a little differently.

View doesn't get old.

If I'm ever going to get a vision, I would imagine it would be right here.

I just don't spend enough time stopping and smelling the roses. I'm always

moving so fast.

Half the time I feel like I could just slow down.

Maybe I'd start to see more.

Definitely would start to appreciate more.

Especially if I could turn everything off.

Turn all the noise, all the voices in my head.

How are you going to ever see into the future if you can't even fully be

present?

I can't find the answers in a lab.

If I could go to a place that looks like this and try to go lucid and tap in,

that seems a better option than anything else.

Staying the night at Serenity Ridge.

It's like a retreat center, like as close to the monastery as I can get in

United States. I'm going to spend a night or two, however long it takes, and

maybe have some precognitive dreams.

I'm about to talk to this one guy named Alejandro, who's, I guess it's like

Tibetan yoga instructor, but he's actually spent a lot of time with monks,

might not be able to get the real thing. Or maybe he is one. I really don't

know.

I'm trying not to be disrespectful. I just don't know enough about this kind

culture and stuff.

I'm not religious.

I'm just a dude who's had dreams of future stuff happening. So, like, this

very weird for me.

And as you breathe in and out, allow that breath to expand your abdomen like

balloon, breathing in, breathing out, letting go.

You know, when we talk about dreams, we are less interested in

the story itself and more interested in who's dreaming.

this aspect of dreamlike world, do we recognize

that this is dreamlike too?

You know, this is... This is the dream.

It's not the dream.

It's a dream. It's a dream. This identity that we think we have, it's a

Has there been stories of the monks having visions, precognition?

When you say precognition, what do you mean?

Do they ever dream the future?

Yeah, you know, they don't talk much about it. I know, I mean, I've heard of

people having these kind of dreams, not only monks, I mean, people like you,

like others.

But then I've grappled with why am I being shown these things if I can't do

something about?

At least the way I understand in our tradition, things are not predestined.

Really? Yeah.

Things can be aligned to be going in that direction, but there are things

you can change, right?

So the philosophy is that there is a general flow to life. Like there's some

guidance, but there is some free will within that. You know, the truck is

in that direction, but you can stop it. Over the last few years, I've tried to

go lucid in a dream, and I'll see dead relatives, dead friends.

I'll ask them things about the future.

You know, what are the lottery numbers going to be?

And they actually tell you?

I've got numbers, and some of them have been pretty close.

What about asking, I mean, why are you here?

I can't say I've asked that.

You know, the more you try, the less it comes. The moment you let go...

suddenly it comes up. It's pretty hard to let go when you've got somebody

haunting you.

Right. And all these things in my past. But the moment that you notice that

fear, that kind of confronting it, and don't stay in the guy.

Come back to you.

What's happening to you?

How do you feel? Look in the mirror at myself. Yeah. You know, you go closer to

the movie becomes pixels and there's nothing, right?

Who's fearful Jesse?

Is fearful Jesse the same as, you know, producer Jesse?

And is the same as liberated Jesse?

Can fearful Jesse disappear into liberated Jesse?

I would love that.

I've been scared since I was a little kid.

Yeah.

I burned my feet across hot tar. I was in a wheelchair for a very long time.

I used to knock on my dad's door and go into his bedroom and

I'd have to hold his hand just to be able to fall asleep.

I guess I've always been scared.

And at that age was not this guy, so it was something else.

I was eight years old, and it seems like every year or so it's something new.

And this man has been haunting me 15, 16 years now.

But when you held your dad's hand, that kind of... Yeah, it brought me back

down. And I don't know what that is now, you know? There's so many ways of

grounding and feeling like, stay here and now.

What's the need of going to the future?

When I was in India, that first trip, they would tell me, dig in many holes,

then when you find the water, keep on digging. So that's the hole that I've

digging for 30 years.

Yeah, see where your water is.

Yeah, I want to keep digging deeper into this world, this dream world. Yeah.

But ask the right questions.

Ask the right questions. I think that's important.

I will.

Not that scary.

I've seen a lot scarier in my dreams.

I guess while you're there,

what are the lottery numbers going to be tomorrow?

It's going to be a market crash?

You're going to let me know next time?

How about the pandemic?

I was just a kid.

To tell me somebody's going to die and I can't stop it?

What is that?

What am I supposed to do with that?

They're staring at me, haunting me my whole life.

When will my parents die?

Please tell me that.

I don't care.

I don't care anymore.

What else do you want to know about the future?

Nothing.

Liar!

I just want to...

I've dreamt of making a movie my whole life. It's great that this dream's

true, even though I wish I had the smoking gun.

Here's how it works on a silver platter.

I'm not crazy.

You believe me now?

Having to relive all your worst nightmares and recreate them for this

been pretty miserable, actually.

I wanted the viewer to hear my experiences and be like, oh, wow, you

had stuff similar to that, and I really wanted to have something by the end of

Hannum. A lot of this was to convince myself that either I am quite crazy and

there's nothing here and it's coincidental, or when I watch everything

like, your partner's going to die.

Oh, shit.

I don't know where I ultimately land in the battle of free will versus fate, but

I definitely feel a lot better about either. It's more important that people

just feel heard in this realm. We at least got to start with that.

This whole time I've been trying to search and go on this journey for

about dreams and physical reality when the answers have been in my dreams. So

I'm going to sleep.

I'm going to write it down every night.

Just completely clear it all.

Remove the noise.

Tens of thousands of years of dreaming and this is all we have?

We have a lot of work to do.

It's just really exciting to me knowing that there's actually some real magic

out there in this world.

There's something that we've yet to discover.

So I'll be experimenting in the dream world like defamed astronauts in space.

Except I'll be going deep within.

Maybe there'll come a time where we value that more.

The real hook of it is, though, is the feeling.

It's not the man in the suit.

It's not what he says. It's not what he looks like.

It's the feeling I get when he's there.

The feeling you get when you hear a story of Joe Barca.

It's the feeling that I had when I woke up that morning.

That's what we're not accounting for in science.

That is the key.

The thing you don't see is what's inside.

That's the tether to all these precognitive experiences.

Has to trigger emotion.

That's one thing I know for sure.

You're not supposed to be out here!

I had a dream that you died.

We're not the closest, but you're a friend of mine. I woke up and realized

it was my subconscious showing me what it would be like

if this situation gets any more out of hand. All of my sort of friends will be

like, whoa, I kind of knew that guy.

So I keep fighting instead. Against this avalanche, I feel like a lava lamp. The

way that I've been totally fucked by time.

I had a dream that you died.

Somehow made it about me.

I had a dream that you died.

Somehow made it about me.

And I had a dream that...

Jump out of the water Standing on the dock It took me back to Omaha For no

reason other than the happiness I felt that so often seems lost And then I got

to thinking How recently a lot I've pondered suicide But I could never do

to my mom So I keep fighting each day Against this male storm I feel like a

pest The way my hair looks dumb And my heart is made of stone

I had a dream that you died.

I had a dream that you died.

I had a dream that you died.

Somehow they did about me. I had a dream that you died.

I had a dream that you died.

We're not the closest, but you're a friend of mine.