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live here with David Ike. Uh a big fan

of yours. I've known you for a while.

Recently though, I started going into

your work more and more. I just finished

your new uh book roadmap, which is

excellent. So much things. I mean, just

I think you finished a couple months ago

and like kind of happening right now

what you predicted. we first talked, you

know, I was a little skeptical, but

pretty much everything you said keep

being right like, you know, I was unsure

about Elon Musk. It's been very clear

that he's a puppet early on and

embarrassingly I fell for the Trump the

Trump thing during co I realized that

that was a total scam. You've been

calling him out from the very beginning.

You get a lot of things right. I'm not

going to say you get everything right

because I don't believe any human gets

everything right, but you get so many

things right. I'm just going to read a

couple of them really quick before we

start because I think it's important

people that don't know you. I didn't

even know this. I looked for some older

ones. Like you predicted the wait, this

is the wrong one. I push you got so many

things right. We're not going to read

them all, but just a few of them. Like

you named the Jimmy uh his name Seville

Proic pedophile abuser.

>> So you were calling that before which

that's pretty crazy. The the former

prime minister uh you called it satanic

rituals. I think he ended up getting

into it, right?

>> You predict

>> you predicted major terrorist attacks in

2000 between 202 which was you know the

uh 9/11 attacks. You s you you predicted

the hurricanes that were going to start

coming through. You predicted the mass

shootings that were going to plague

America before they started happening.

The um you've been talking about

microchipping for years, which are

starting to do now. The um basically all

kinds of stuff. The 2008 crash you were

predicting. Um cashless society was

saying forever.

I I could go on and on, but you've

gotten this thing right after so many

things right. So people call you some

kind of crazy quack. But you you keep

being on the point over and over when

everyone else is getting wrong. And even

the first time I talked to you was a lot

more skeptical, but then everything you

were saying since then has kind of

fallen into place. I think you talked

about Greenland. I'd never heard about

Greenland. Now sure enough, they're

they're looking at pulling Greenland.

It's just uh I guess not really a

question. It's just, you know, for

everyone calling you crazy, I want to

let out there. Go look through your

history, the amount of things you've

gotten right. And it's uh pretty

impressive.

Yeah. Well, the thing is um Jake that um

we have to have a little bit of humility

as humans

uh by realizing just how little we

actually know.

>> Yes.

>> Um you know there was a uh an ancient

Greek philosopher Socrates who's quoted

as saying that to know is to know you

know nothing. That's the secret of true

knowledge. And so what you um you look

at for instance in terms of uh reality

and the reality that we can see is that

when you look through your eyes in to a

space whatever it is people think

they're seeing everything in the space

they're looking at. They're not. They're

seeing the most ridiculously

tiny band of frequency called visible

light. and everything beyond that is in

the unseen to humans.

>> Mhm.

>> So from that um perspective alone

[snorts] to be um dogmatic in terms of I

got it now

>> um is ridiculous. And so what I've been

doing over the last 36 years now is

realizing that whatever I know or think

I know,

>> there's always more to know. Yeah,

>> there's always more to know. That that

that is something that cannot uh be

challenged. There's always more to know.

>> And what I've seen with the um the

so-called alternative media or so much

of it, not all of it, but so much of it

>> is it it gets to goes to a certain

point, which is basically the political

corporate uh banking level, and stops

and thinks, I got it now. And

[clears throat] you you've not even

begin to to to to have got it at that

level. What you're seeing is one way

fundamental way very important way we

need to know about it that this plays

out this control of humans plays out.

But it's not the origin. And um I uh

I've been watching a an interview um in

in the last well today actually clips of

the interview uh with um Tucker Carlson

and um a Dutch activist called Eva

Vaningerbrook.

>> And um she's talking about um how um

this is happening or that's happening on

a political level etc. And then he asks

but who's behind it?

what what who's basically calling the

shots in all this? Who's making it

happen? And she said, "I don't know."

The point being that if you have a

religious belief that is unquestioning,

I mean, I'm a problem of people having

religious beliefs. It's none of my

business. But if you are um

unquestioning in that belief, if you are

un it doesn't matter whether it's

Christianity or Hinduism or Judaism or

um or Islam, as long as you've got a

rigid belief that you will not waver

from, what you're doing is you're

putting yourself in a box, a perceptual

box. Because if you go beyond the box

into the infinity of possibility

and insight,

you're very quickly going to leave the

box, whatever you call yourself. And

most people don't want to do that. And

and most people rigidly believe what

they um what they uh think religiously

anyway. So no, no, that can't be true

because it's not in the Bible. And and

then you have the the political ideology

which is just another religion. It's

another box.

>> Democrat, Republican.

>> Yeah. Democrat, Republican, Labor,

>> reform, Nigel Faraj's party in this

country, conservative party in this

country. It's it's it's it's all the

kind of same [snorts] where

[clears throat]

>> you see everything in a certain light

and instead of looking at information on

the basis of is it credible or not, what

does it look like from a dispassionate

point of view, it's passing it through

the belief system filter.

>> Yes.

>> So if a Democrat says it, it must be

wrong and ridiculous to the right.

If the right says it, it must be wrong

and ridiculous to the to the left

instead of looking dispassionately at

the information and seeing if it stands

up to scrutiny or not. And my goodness

me, have we reached uh an extreme of

that um since the turn of 2026. So

>> yeah, the Trump administration's been

insane.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> They do the exact opposite of what they

ran on and then the party just goes

along with it. To me that's just

bafflings and almost the everything

opposite what he said and they're just

the cult just goes along with them and

that to me is just I never followed

politics but seeing stuff like that is

shocking you know.

>> Yeah.

>> So anyways go on

>> and and and what what you have therefore

is people putting themselves in

perceptual boxes and denying them the

infinity of possibility beyond beyond

the box. and and you know if there's a

few of you and in terms of the people in

full knowledge of what they're doing it

is a few compared with the global

population

>> Mhm.

>> then crucial to that because there's so

few of you and so many of the target

population you have to um divide and

rule. You have to get them to fight each

other and and be so focused on uh uh

battling and fighting with each other

that they're not looking up and seeing

that you're holding the strings to both

of them. Uh and that um means that once

you can get someone in a rigid

unquestioning belief system, religious

or political, whatever, cultural,

you not only um put them in a perceptual

box, and they won't go beyond it. You've

got the perfect um environment now for

dividing and ruling. And those two um

things um actually they're one thing get

people in a rigid belief system of is

how humanity has been uh controlled um

all along and what we're seeing with um

Donald Trump. Uh, I mean, I I picked

Donald Trump up the moment he he

basically came on the political scene in

2016 and and he had con man written on

his uh and fraud written on his on his

forehead. For me, I it was pretty

obvious. And you know, people would say,

"Oh, well,

he's not doing what he said he would do,

and he's doing what he said he wouldn't

do." Okay. Well, how could I say um

years and years ago that that's what you

would do for a simple reason? I have

this phrase um know the outcome and

you'll see the journey.

If you don't know the outcome where

we're being taken as a humanity into

greater and greater dystopia and control

of human perception, thought,

>> emotional response, then the world

appears to you to be random. It's

random. It's bewildering.

Why did they do that? Why did they do

that? Why don't they do it that way?

It's more obviously better. Why do they

do it this way? Why is Trump not doing

what he said he would do?

>> [snorts]

>> Well, because he never intended to. Once

you have um uh once you grasp that we're

being taken

uh to a level of AI digital dystopia

the like of which we've never seen in

known human history.

Suddenly the uh random events that

appear bewildering become very clear

stepping stones to that outcome. And uh

when you then realize as I did in the

early 1990s amid great ridicule and

>> um uh laughter

that actually

there is the level you see in the public

arena. There's the Trumps and there's

the Harrises and the Stars and all these

people. There's the um uh the Claus

Schwabs and the Bill Gates's.

But you step back into the shadows and

if really deep in the shadows, I'm sure

we'll get into uh the the the level of

um of the shadows we need to go to to

get to the origin of this. But if you

just go back into the shadows,

>> you've got a force, I call it the global

cult. It's a global network of secret

societies with an interlocking uh

mission control leadership, an inner

core. But most of the people involved in

the in the secret societies have no idea

that this core exists.

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>> I think that's important real quick

because people think, oh, there people

couldn't be in on it, but most people

aren't nit on it. They're just doing

their little their little position that

they're told. Sorry to interrupt you,

but I think it's important people

understand that.

>> You're absolutely right. uh all these

secret societies are fiercely

compartmentalized

so that I mean just look at the the

Freemasons as an example but it's the

same with all of them um the the 33rd uh

or 33 degrees of the Scottish right of

Freemasonry

um has the great majority of its members

in the bottom three levels of degree

so-called blue degrees and what are

these degrees. They're degrees of

knowledge.

So you have a selfcorrecting,

self-defending mechanism whereby each

higher level of degree has to um agree

that you can go into their level

uh and if they don't agree then you

can't. and it's uh protecting the the

the system from anyone coming into it

that and getting it to any level

>> that um may not be uh safe and may not

may may you know spill the beans etc.

And so you look at the Freemasons and

there's a small core that's actually in

the the knowledge of what that

organization is really for and really

about and most [snorts] of its

membership is not. Now, when you get

into the more um uh extreme levels of

these secret societies,

uh many of which don't have names to

make them harder to track. Um then more

of their membership will will know the

the bigger picture, but but mo most of

them are are just compartmentalized from

um

>> just doing it for for money or clout and

stuff. Yeah. Just doing what they're

told.

>> You know, you get you join the

Freemasons. You might, you know, if

you're if the the the planning guy on

the council is is in your lodge, well,

you might get a few contracts that you

wouldn't otherwise get. That kind of

thing.

>> But the real um

>> point of this cult is driving

this constant dystopia

um ultimately um involving um artificial

in intelligence. So if you um then

realize that this um this shadow level

uh that you don't see actually um works

through all political parties. It works

through um all the corporations, the

major corporations. It works through

Silicon Valley corporations and the

social media platforms. It works through

the World Health Organization, the World

Trade Organization and so on and so

forth, the um World Economic Forum and

such like [snorts] then you you know

that if you have reached a point where

you're entering political office,

whether you're left or whether you're

right,

you've got there because this cult has

either allowed it to happen because it

suits them

>> or they've [clears throat] manipulated

you knowingly and uh and uh in full

knowledge into that position. And so

when I look at the um well I mean I I've

been doing this a long time 36 years.

>> Yeah. So, um, there were times when the

Clintons

were in, uh, in government, when Bill

Clinton was the president, when Barack

Obama was the president, and I was

calling them out

>> and the Bushes Republican, I was calling

them all out. don't care what their

political doesn't matter what side

they're on is because they were

advancing this agenda this this

non-random but appears random agenda

towards more and more dystopia. So when

Trump came on the on the scene in 2016,

I was watching him with great interest

because when he started out, he had

about the best part of 20 people in the

Republican party who were seeking the

presidency.

>> Mhm.

>> And I watched um them fall away and fall

away and fall away [snorts] and

eventually he is the the chosen one. And

I thought then this guy's going to win.

This guy is selected. And he won. And

now he's come back for a second go. And

uh it's I mean because

if you look at what these people talk

about, those in the the public arena of

this uh cult, they uh talk about 2030

being a very specific

>> Yeah. of time for so much to be

introduced in this dystopia, not least

as Ray Kerszswhil at Google has talked

about this um uh AI expert as he as as

he promotes himself um that by 2030

humans are going to be uh increasingly

connected to artificial intelligence.

And in his words, artificial

intelligence will do more and more of

human thinking until human thinking is

negligible. So, um, we are in that point

now where they're rushing

full on to get to that point where

artificial intelligence basically

hijacks the human mind. That's what it's

all about.

>> Yeah.

>> And as a result of that, things get

faster and faster and faster as they get

closer and closer to their goal. And so

with Trump, um I was saying when he was

running his election campaign for the

second time that um he uh was going to a

tell people what they wanted to hear.

That's what politicians do. So they'll

get elected and then um overwhelmingly

he would not do what he said he would

do. He will do things he said he

wouldn't do. and he will facilitate

the um the the rushing forward of this

AI agenda. It took him two days, if you

remember, Jake, to um wheel out Larry

Ellison and Sam, other guy,

>> um to after he uh of his inauguration to

announce an up to$500

billion

AI data center extravaganza. and he's

gone on ever since with with documents

that that that have been published by

the White House to um to push on this um

artificial um intelligence agenda. And

that's what we're seeing. And you know,

if you if you don't see this other level

that is manipulating these apparently

different organizations, parties,

corporations in the public arena, then

um

>> then you're never going to understand uh

where it's coming from.

>> Yeah.

>> Coming from Trump and it's not coming

from Harris and it's not coming from

Star. It's not coming from Blair. It's

not coming even from Claus Schwab and

Bill Gates. They're gophers.

Yeah, they're even answering people.

People like Peter Thiel, but then

they're probably answering people as

well. But know it is scary when you see

the the Peter Thiel with the Palunteer,

they do the kill list in Palestine, I'm

sure, you know, and now they're having

lists on American citizens and he's

pushing that data. The Larry Ellison's

like you just said, the amount of power

Elon Musk had. I never realized it.

You're the one I was always kind of a

Elon supporter. Thought he was legit.

And then you pointed out all the things

like running like six companies while

he's tweeting all day, playing video

games. It's just not possible. I didn't

realize all the government contracts

he's had. So, this is putting it

together with the satellites, the um you

know, the the kill lists, the drones

they're making, the AI. I don't think we

have long. Like you said, they're trying

to push it by 2030. That's that's four

years and it does seem like it's

accelerating. Like the first Trump

presidency wasn't great, but this one's

far worse in my opinion. I mean, he went

around, he locked down our country, but

like this one he seems is completely out

of his mind. talking about you he's

already invaded Venezuela, talking about

taking Greenland, almost just went and

bombed bombed Iran, but seems like he

backed out last minute for there's

there's conflicting reasons as why. It

seemed completely completely gone mad.

Well, um, you see what one of the things

I I said that would happen in the the

Trump era

>> is that there would be diversions

all over the place because if you're a

magician, he's not a magician, he's a

gopher, but if you're a magician in the

shadows, if you're a magician on a

stage, you want people looking at your

left hand while you're doing the trick

with your right. Mhm.

>> And so, um, what we're going to see

through 2026, my god, I said this before

it's before 2026 started and my goodness

it I mean it look where we are already.

You're going to see diversions all over

the place to get people to um look in

this direction and not see the fast,

enormously fast unfolding of the AI

human fusion agenda and the digital

control agenda. The two are absolutely

connected of course and um so uh already

uh and and really if you look at Trump

he is the perfect guy for diverting

attention. I mean you you you wake up in

the morning you you put on the the the

internet and it's like what's he said

now? What's he done now? and and it's

like he's become a like a a a 24-hour

soap opera. [snorts]

>> Um and all these things that are um

taking people's attention away and I can

understand why why that that happens.

But what it's doing, it's hiding and and

obscuring this onslaught, which it is,

towards um human um AI um fusion. And

what does that mean?

you know, when there's a few of you and

you want to control the many, you have

to divide and rule and get them into

belief systems like I've I've uh I've

I've talked about. Um but um you you

also um have to um control and it's all

part of of that too but you have to

control their perception because if you

want to control someone's behavior

you've got to get their perception

because then their behavior will follow

as a result of that. So if you look at

COVID,

you um controlled perception by telling

people worldwide there was a deadly

virus and if they were going to protect

themselves and their families, they had

to do what authority told them and we're

going to impose it anyway. and that the

only way to protect yourself ongoing

from this deadly virus was um [snorts]

was a a fake vaccine, not even a vaccine

under previous criteria for which there

have been dire consequences, death and

health destruction for so many people

worldwide.

So you control perception, there's a

deadly virus

and then you control behavior. Oh, we

must um do what authority tells us to

protect ourselves. And so part of that

control of perception is to realize

where perception comes from. It comes

from the information we receive. Uh it

it might be a personal experience. It

might be the 10:00 news. It might be an

internet post. Whatever. We take these

this information and we form our

perceptions from it. especially in in in

line with our belief systems um often.

>> Um and and so you um you you then start

to look at censorship in a completely

different light because what is

censorship? They don't do it for a bit

of fun. They do it because it's

essential to control perception. Because

if you have the the free flow of

information

where all information is available to

everyone um in the same way, no shadow

banning, you you just say what you think

and it it goes out to anyone who wants

to hear it.

>> Mhm.

>> Um then you've got a real problem trying

to control perception because what you

want them to believe is what you're

telling them. But now these other people

are giving them another way of looking

at the same situation

and maybe they'll look at it and go well

actually that makes more sense than what

the authorities are telling me. You

don't want that. So censorship is about

um controlling the information that

people receive. Now what this AI human

fusion is about is going to the next

level where you don't need to control

information anymore. All you need to do

is have um the human brain,

[clears throat] mind, body connected to

artificial intelligence and it will then

do their thinking. It will then think

for them and and and that artificial

intelligence

will not be thinking

Who's running the world? To what end?

Um,

>> yeah, right.

>> What is this reality? Who am I really?

What am I doing here? It won't ask those

things. No.

>> And so, you're looking at total

perceptual control. And and don't take

my word for it. Listen to these

>> these oligarchs and these uh AI um

>> people like like Kerszsw.

Once that connection is made to

artificial intelligence, the cloud as he

calls it [snorts] um then

artificial intelligence will do more and

more of human thinking until the human

thinking is negligible. That is the

ultimate control. And what I'm saying is

while all these diversions are going on

>> um that's what's um being driven in the

background faster and faster and faster.

And you're absolutely right, Elon Musk,

Peter Teal, David [clears throat] Saxs,

who's uh uh been appointed the AISAR by

Trump, uh Mark Andre, um Larry Ellison,

all these people are uh Sam Oldman,

they're they're all um part of this

oligarchy that's pushing on this this AI

control. And if you look at um I mean

people might say, "Oh, well yeah, but

Elon Musk, he he he he bought um Twitter

X and and and and he's on our side."

Yeah. Well, that was the

>> He's already he's already shadow banning

batting guys like me and you, you know?

>> Yeah.

>> Like we took my check mark away. We're

we're being deboosted while the other

guys are being boosted. They're pushing

the schlop. And it's uh it's

disappointing for me when I realize a

lot of the other alternative media

people are are full of it. Not all of

them, but like the amount of pressure

and like favors I was offered to endorse

Trump because I wouldn't endorse Trump

before was crazy to me. All these guys

saying things they would do for me. Oh,

they'll get me this White House thing.

Connect this. Just endorse Trump. Just

endorse Trump. I couldn't believe I was

getting that pressure from other of

these free media people. So stuff like

that seeing is like I don't think this

is it didn't feel organic the amount of

people are trying to pressure me to

endorse Trump at the end last election.

>> Well, I could put that in some

perspective. what actually uh what what

actually happened there and and and why.

>> And I'm glad I'm glad I didn't endorse

him, by the way. I didn't cave and I was

being offered not money but other big

favors and stuff to do it and it was

just like no.

>> Well, that alone is very very uh

telling. So, um I I I started this uh 36

years ago uh on this this journey and um

I've gone deeper and deeper in the

rabbit hole. I'm sure we'll get there as

we go along. Um uh to to to see the

bigger and bigger picture within which

this whole thing plays out.

>> By the way, this is all it's all written

out in road mapap by the way. I don't

want to forget to plug your book a few

times. Excellent book. Just finished it.

>> Thanks. Thanks. Well, you know that I I

wrote that for a simple reason. I saw

people waking up to this or waking up to

that or waking up to that.

>> Uh and I wanted to to show how that that

and that all was all connected. And it

was actually one one enormous tapestry

of of of control which actually in the

end goes out of this dimension of

reality. I'm sure we'll get into that.

>> But [snorts] um what I what I was um

what I was saying is

once COVID happened um at the start of

COVID um enormous numbers of people just

did what they were told because they

were frightened. Fear is the great

>> conduit of control. Um, and they were uh

doing what they were told and even if

they didn't want to do what they were

told, they were frightened of the

consequences of not doing it. Okay. And

I remember in the early days of COVID

there in in Britain in England, there

was uh some protest by a few people

about the restrictions and all the

things that were going on. Um, and the

police moved in and just arrested them.

no problem. Uh by the end of COVID,

however, by the end of that whole period

of restrictions, I was walking down the

streets of London with uh maybe a

100,000 people or more uh because that's

what it had got to by then because

people were starting to realize the

scam. And the police, by the way, were

on the side of the road watching us walk

past because there's just too many

people. If only we realized that if we

put the fault lines of divide and rule

down and and and focused upon a common

threat to all of us and all our kids and

all our grandkids, then it's over. But

it's this divide and rule which is

essential to making sure that that never

happens. So then I started to see

because

the number of people I I I saw who were

starting to say,

you know, this conspiracy stuff that

there may be something in it. I mean,

how did this COVID come about? How how

did most of the world do the same thing

as everyone else? And that the people

were starting to to awaken to the fact

that the world was not like they thought

it was. And what I saw then, because if

you are this cult,

up to this point, you were pretty much

controlled perception by controlling the

mainstream media.

And uh it it's been, you know, very

straightforward. Uh you have a common uh

story narrative that goes everywhere

through the mainstream media. But what

became clear

um increasingly and would have done to

this cult during COVID is that there

were increasing numbers of people that

weren't having that anymore.

>> And uh they weren't believing the uh

mainstream media. In fact, they had

absolute contempt for it. So then you

look, you go, well,

how do we continue to control their

perception?

because they're not they're not taking

the mainstream media seriously anymore.

So, what what what where do they get

their information from? Oh, well,

they're getting it from this alternative

media that didn't exist when I started

out. And I I watched it I watched it

form and and I was delighted at that

time uh that it did.

>> But, um if you're this cult, you say,

"Well, well, we've got to have our

people in there then. We we've got to

we've got to hijack that alternative

narrative.

And what um happens if you um you follow

the the flow of research

and you know whatever I know there's

always more to know is that you

continually are expanding and expanding

your understanding because once you've

got to a certain point you think well I

think I've got that but what don't I

know? and you go deeper and deeper and

deeper in the rabbit hole and the whole

thing gets gets uh a bigger and bigger

panorama. So they don't want that. This

cult does not want that. They want um so

you look at it and you go well the

genies out of the bottle cuz all these

people now

uh are realizing that they're not being

told the truth about the world and how

it works. So what we're not going to put

them back in I mean lots of people will

just believe what they're told without

question whatever but but this expanding

number of people which is starting to

get out of hand they um will um not go

back in the box completely. So what do

we do? Well what we have to do is we

have to hold them at the playout level

of what we're doing. We have to hold

them at the political, corporate,

banking uh level of um perceptual

control that they think that is the

conspiracy and that's all it is.

>> Mhm.

>> And that is what has happened. And you

know, you don't need, there will be some

for sure, but you don't need everybody

that you um you bring in and promote and

you algorithmically promote and you

financially promote

>> to know exactly what they're doing. But

if you take someone who thinks that the

entire conspiracy is only on a political

level and that's all it is, okay, well,

that's what we want people to believe.

>> Yeah.

>> So therefore, we're going to um

algorithmically promote this guy. We're

gonna um uh fund this guy or this woman

and we're going to get them having

massive massive um numbers and they and

we're going to take over the central

part of the alternative media that most

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>> Mhm. And it's interesting, you know,

that um these some of these major

podcasters

um who have have basically become the

center of the alternative media since co

particularly

um they won't talk to me like Tucker

Carlson, Joe Rogan.

>> Seems like everyone everyone's avoiding

you it seems like which is weird because

you're you're such a massive name.

>> But they won't talk to me now. Why?

Well, I would say that it's because

I'm operating, as we'll get into as we

continue our chat, way beyond this. Um,

it's the political level and that's all

it is.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, and and that's what they don't want

people to know. And again, yeah, it's

not necessarily uh that um even people

like Rogan or um Carlson know what

they're doing in terms of the real

reason they're not having me on. But

you've talked about the pressures and

>> yeah, sometimes it's just pressure like

it's not even like maybe they're not

even manipulating do but someone's like,

"Oh, don't have him on." And like I

said, I wasn't offer money, but I was

offered some pretty big favors. I I was

kind of shocked and multiple people were

telling me this and I was wondering like

is this orchestrated? Why am I getting

so much pressure? and people offer me

things to endorse Trump. I found that I

thought that was extremely odd.

So,

>> yeah. Well, see, Trump was the chosen

one and and why he was the chosen one,

we now see. But if if if you're you see

if you're going to um get all this um

constituency of people that are starting

to see, hey, we're being lied to. Uh

we're not being told the truth. There is

a conspiracy to control humans and what

have you. If you're going to get them to

support someone,

you've got to get them to believe that

that someone

is being targeted by the quote deep

state

because

>> they did a great job of that with all

the fake arrests and uh

>> the assassination. They did an amazing

job for that. You know, for a second I'm

like, "Oh, they really are after him."

But I noticed right before the election,

the media wasn't attacking him as much

as they were. all the worst billionaires

started backing him up. That's when I'm

like, "Oh, this is all fake."

>> Yeah. [snorts] And then and of course

Musk came in and the the the AI

oligarchs came in because he was going

to be the facilitator for their agenda

uh of um AI human digital control. And

you know, one of the things I I watched

um

what it was it was kind of funny. There

was there was a a a series on um on it

was on BBC actually surprisingly, but it

was um which was basically a based

around MI5 MI6 and

>> they um

were trying to uncover not MI5 MI6 they

were doing it but but the PE some of the

the quote you know good guys in the

series

>> were trying uncover the fact that they

had technology

um which was able

to in real time

change what a CCTV camera was showing

and that was the whole basis of it. But

the reason I I I I bring this up is

because in part of the series

there was this politician

who was getting himself into various um

scandals

uh but somehow

always got out of them. And eventually

he meets the the people that have been

orchestrating his career without him

knowing. And it was a a a tech algorithm

algorithm expert. And the the the guy uh

realized that his whole career had been

steered by these people from the

background, [snorts] including him

>> even realizing [clears throat] it,

>> including the bits he thought were um

were bad for him. And he said the

obvious question. And he said, "Well, if

you've been steering my career from the

background using basically algorithmic

uh uh methods,

why have I had so many things that that

threatened to destroy my career?" And he

said, "Because that's what the

algorithms said had to happen to get you

to be the prime minister."

Um, so it doesn't necessarily mean that

everything's going to go swimmingly. It

means the algorithm decides that this

needs to happen to get you in in the um

in the top job. And I was watching um

Trump uh during the um runup to his

election

and I was seeing all these um court

cases against him

>> and all these attacks on on him uh legal

attacks and and as he got closer and

closer to the election

um including right up to almost his

inauguration,

they were going away.

Yeah, that was so I was trying to I was

like I was I was baffled by that. Like

how do they just go away?

>> They were going away and they they were

going away after they'd done their job

basically because if you remember uh

Jake after his first term when Biden

came in basically um Trump's uh uh star

was was was was fading. He was fading

into the background. [snorts] No, he was

until he started all the arrests.

>> Then came the um the raid on Mara Lago

>> to do with classified documents. And

suddenly I I watch this cuz I I I like

to observe life without um

uh having a you know a dogmatic this is

what's going on kind of thing.

>> Yeah. Uh, but I just observe life and I

watched it and I thought, well, I'm

going to be interested to see what

happens to Trump's um, popularity now.

And immediately his star started to

rise. They're starting trying to stop

Trump and this went on and on and on.

Then you had the um assassination

attempt when he miraculously was shot in

the ear, but

>> the ear didn't

>> confirm that when when he took the

bandage off after a few days. Um, and

suddenly it's like they're after Trump.

And then, as you rightly say, all these

so-called influencers,

including people like Alex Jones, who um

is now everything he once railed

against.

>> He's the globalist now.

>> It's unbelievable. [clears throat]

It's unbelievable.

>> It's insane. Whatever the globalist

talking point is, you know, Alex Jones

is going to be puppeting it now. It's

just sad.

>> Exactly. And and so you had these

influencers that were all driving this

narrative that the deep state is out to

get Trump. And I'm I'm I'm sitting

there. I'm posting things on on X and

and getting untold abuse. But I don't

mind. I don't care. I'm interested in

what's going on, not not a statue.

>> What's true is more important.

>> And I'm I'm I'm shaking my head and I'm

thinking, what what do you mean the deep

state's out to get him? He's deep state

to his DNA. Just look at his history uh

um back in the days even of business and

stuff how the the Rothschilds through

Wilbur Ross, a 24-year

um Rothschild employee um brought

together 72 banks to um save Trump from

the most monumental massive bankruptcy

in the early 90s. Um and without that he

he he would have um he would have he

would have been you know um nowhere uh

in business never mind in politics. And

then you've got you had his blatant

connections to um Jeffrey Epstein and

what um Epsteal [snorts]

about him being his best friend for 10

years or more

>> and and you know suddenly um he's he's

he's he comes on the political scene and

you know

through this I I I picked him up in

2016. I said, "This guy's a fraud." Uh,

and I think this guy's uh meant to be

the president. And he got in. But now

when he got in the second time, um, I

was looking at it and I'm thinking,

"This is a scam going on here." And and

the the the the the MAGA base is being

scammed to support him, to get him into

office. And when he gets there, he he is

going to be a very different character,

not least in pushing the AI stuff. And

that's exactly what what's happened. And

again, if you um look at Biden and

Clinton and Obama, they are controlled

by this cult. And then you've got on the

[clears throat] so-called right, you've

got your Bushes. I mean, Father George

Bush

family.

>> Um I mean, oh dear. I wrote about him in

in my books years ago. Unbelievable.

What? What? What?

>> I need to go read all I need to read all

your old books. I haven't read those.

>> Yeah.

>> Read a couple of them. But

>> And then um you've got the Republicans

controlled by the same force. So what

you know is that whoever gets into power

is going to advance that agenda, which

they all have. The the the point is

you've got

different constituencies you have to

keep relatively happy. So if you are of

the left and you're in power, then you

you have to just pay a bit of lip

service to to what you think your

natural constituency wants. And if

you're over the right, you have to do

the same. But of course, Trump may talk

about running again in 2028 and all that

stuff, but basically this is his last

term. He's got no more election to win.

And if you look at him, his cognitive um

dismantling, he he he probably won't be

around to to to run again.

>> Yeah, they probably want to trade him

with JD Vance, which something I've been

thinking, and you said that in your

book. You know, there's there's several

more things I want to talk about till we

get into the stuff that you get called

crazy for.

>> But no, the Trump stuff's really

important. Like for one, Epstein and him

said he said he was best friend. They

flew together at least seven times.

That's two guys with private private

jets that typically don't, you know,

change their schedules around. If you

have a private jet, you're usually not

flying with other people. That's a lot

of times to fly. Their connection was so

close. I I could be I'm kind of thinking

that maybe they can Trump was controlled

all along, but he's such an egoomaniac.

They also have stuff from the Epstein

files on them. And it seems like maybe

they showed him that recently, like,

hey, we have this on you. You know, he's

been accused of raping several

13-year-old girls with Epstein at the

house that was all came up. One of the

girls, I believe, was shot in the head

after, according to the Epstein's files.

They say it wasn't confirmed, but

someone reported that, you know, a girl

was raped by Epste and Trump at the

house and he was concerned she was going

to get killed and then she got shot in

the head right after that. So, these

types of things to me, it seems like

he's probably controlled, but then also

blackmailed on top of it.

>> Yeah. I mean, uh, the whole Epstein

thing was, uh, a Mossad CIA blackmail

operation. And I I've talked to a number

of um the u the women now, young

teenagers then who um were pulled into

the Epstein uh circle network and they

all tell you about the hidden

microphones and cameras. So it was a an

obvious um blackmail operation. Now this

is interesting. Um first of all uh Trump

has been um in the whole

ultraionist arena

way way back. I mean his his father was

a a a friend of Netanyahu

uh when Netanyahu was in America and um

and then um you had this this period

where he's a a close friend of Jeffrey

Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein is running

this blackmail operation and and and

Trump was clearly um compromised

then out out of nowhere in 2015 2016, he

suddenly announces he's going to run for

the presidency

>> and uh he wins

and in his first term he basically not

entirely but basically overwhelmingly

gave Israel everything it wanted. Um he

moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to um

Jerusalem. He um

recognized uh the Golden Heights as

Israel territory. There's a a thing I

think is called um Trump Heights now in

that golden area named after him as a

result of that. Um and and then he's

come in this time and it's blatantly

obvious he is controlled by Israel. It's

yeah blatantly obvious

>> and and as I've written about in my

books over the years that network that

controls Israel of which um Netanyahu is

a serious frontman

um connects into this global cult. It's

a very significant aspect of this global

cult. And uh so um when when you look at

what happened in Gaza

um you you had uh the work of absolute

extreme psychopaths

both Trump in supplying the weapons and

in Netanyahu

um you know dropping them on

Palestinians.

And so

you then look at uh what they must have

on Trump as a result of his association

and you've basically got um a jewel um a

jewel situation where he has enormous

sympathy for um Israel and this um

Netanyahu uh ring within the cult and he

also is subject to enormous blackmail.

And when when you think that um the

lengths he's gone to stop uh the

totality of these um documents coming

out regard to Epstein, then it's just

confirmation of what the hell must be in

them.

>> Yeah, it must be extreme if I mean they

released the part probably by accident

of the part of allegedly of him raping

and a girl getting killed. That was

released. So imagine what they're not

releasing. They say they've only

released 1% of them and he's, you know,

the our Congress passed a law saying he

has to release him. He's still not doing

it. Our jury, our judges have ordered it

and he's just saying no. It's it's

insanity. Anyone that's supporting Trump

after that, this guy's clearly

protecting a pedophile blackmail ring

for operation and there people are going

MAGA. Like get the [ __ ] out of here.

There becomes a point where it's just

it's just embarrassing.

>> Yeah. But the the the situation you have

is um his soft support is has

evaporated.

People that

>> he he has lost a lot of people.

>> Yeah. People that believed that he um is

uh going to uh he was going to do what

he said he'd do and not do what he said

he is doing. Um they they've drifted

away. You see that in the polls. But

what you're left with is the hardcore

people who um they have a choice. They

can look at the situation and they can

say, "Oh,

I was wrong there. I got scammed there."

Or you double down.

And the more you double down, [snorts]

as people like um Alex Jones have found

out and others, um and all the time he's

getting more extreme,

but you're now not only committed to

have supported him into office, you're

now doubling down despite what he's done

up to this point. But what are you going

to do now? say, "No, I was wrong to the

first time and I was wrong to double

down." No, people like that don't do

that. They double down, double down, no

matter what he does. And basically what

happens is they get sucked in to trying

to convince I'm seeing this with Alex

Jones all the time trying to convince

themselves

that

he he is the the person they said he was

and that they therefore disappear up

their own backsides

trying to justify things that he's doing

uh as if they are somehow um uh

just bringing the deep state down. Now,

here's the thing, Jake. Um,

>> yeah,

>> which is a a a an important point.

I watch the Alex Joneses and the um the

people like him, and there are many, you

all,

and um they talk about the fact that um

Trump is bringing down the deep state.

That's what he's doing. bringing down

the old world order. Okay, he is, but

not for the reasons they say. You know,

if you um have a status quo, whatever it

is, a political status quo, a financial

status quo, then if you want to move

that to another status quo, you want to

advance it to the next stage of your

your plan,

then

you can't do that while the status quo

exists because it's going to stop it

moving on. And so what we're seeing is

not Trump um bringing down the deep

state and the old order in the way way

that they suggest. We're seeing Trump as

a wrecking ball economically,

politically um in so many uh multi-level

areas.

He's bringing down the old order. Okay.

So you can you can go back um right into

history and see this this cult agenda

unfolding. But let's pick it up at the

First World War. Um wars are fantastic

for changing, transforming

irreversibly what existed before the

war. If you have a a a war with a

country, it's the same. If you have a

world war, then the world's never the

same again. So you had a a a preirst

world war um world then you had the

first world war and what that did was

destroy the status quo the global status

quo. [snorts] Now suddenly um when we

got to 1918 the world is a very

different place and it allowed um

through um

Rothschild dominated uh operations like

the Versail Peace Conference in 1919

to have the world redrawn.

So many uh so much of the world was

redrawn it was never the same again. You

then had the next stage of the uh

demolition

of the status quo, the preirst world war

status quo and that was the great

depression which affected you know the

the world

and then you had the second world war.

So immediately you've got the preirst

world war status quo being absolutely

slaughtered

through the first half of the 20th

century and at the end of the second

world war the world was absolutely

nothing like it was in um 1914.

>> Yeah.

>> And what did you have then? You had the

centralization of global power. Because

when you watch the um the transition of

this global um

uh operation plan, it it follows a a

very clear um uh direction, which is the

constant centralization of power.

because the more you centralize power,

the more power the fewer and fewer and

fewer have over the more and more and

more.

>> So, at the end,

>> they use wars and tragedies to get that.

That's what I've noticed. Sorry cut you

off, but I noticed that World War II,

911, how they use these trag tragedies

to get their events done.

>> Exactly.

>> You've been calling this out for years.

>> It's a a thing I I a phrase I coined in

the in the 1990s, problem, reaction,

solution. create the problem and then

offer the solution to the problem which

is to transform the world and uh advance

your agenda for more and more

centralization of power. So at the end

of um the um the second world war you

had the creation of the United Nations

after the league of nations after the

first world war had had not um worked.

uh you had the Bretton Woods agreement,

you had the creation of the World Bank,

the IMF, all these global centralization

um uh institutions and that's pretty

much what we've had up to very recent

times that that period basically

basically the period of my life. I was

born in 1952, but seven years after the

Second World War, and and and that's

been um my um my world up to very

recently, relatively recently.

But now the idea is to move to the

endgame phase they've been aiming

towards all along which is the AI

digital control phase of um hijacking

human uh cognition perception completely

through AI and controlling um people's

movement and decision making and

possibility via digital control. Now

that means

this stage

between the end of the second world war

and relatively recently has to go so

that can come in and that's what Trump

is doing. He's the wrecking ball and

there are others around the world doing

the same but he's the focal point

>> Netanyahu for this order. Now, what the

Alex Joneses of this world are doing is

saying he's bringing down the deep

state. No, no, he's not. He He's owned

by the deep state, if you want to call

it that, the global cult. And he's just

destroying the status quo so a new one

can it be introduced, which is what's

happening simultaneously.

You've got him wrecking ball the status

quo and he's circled by the AI oligarchs

to um push on to the next stage of the

the endgame which is AI digital control.

>> Yeah, I know. I And that's not far off.

So, it's scary. Uh let me ask one more

question then maybe switch over to the

stuff that people call you crazy for.

This is going to be kind of a longer

question just so we can move along or

several part question because it's like

um as we can see right now in the United

States you have Trump. He's gone

completely mad. He's talking about

stealing Greenland which this was an

idea that was pushed by Elon Musk

grandpa which I found very interesting.

Yeah.

>> You know the the the war with Venezuela

which kind of came out of nowhere. I

thought it was more bluffing that all of

a sudden he's in there kidnapping when

he pushed against wars. The war in Iran

that he's pushing that seems potentially

maybe for greater greater Israel. My dad

was actually a Green Beret and he was

stationed in Iran instead of Vietnam and

he I don't know exactly what he did.

Unfortunately, he's passed, but he was

extremely disillusioned by the United

States military. Felt like he' done some

very bad things over there and wasn't on

the right side. Unfortunately, he's not

alive. So, I can't ask him exactly what

he was doing, but he definitely felt

like he was doing bad things, not good

things for the US government as the

special forces in Iran along with the

sha I believe he was working with. So he

was over there doing, you know, and I

don't know the politics of Iran to get

enough and to say who's good, who's bad

over there, but it seems apparent that,

you know, Netanyahu's

bell hellbent on taking out Iran. And

then you have Trump who's trying to do

this. I think you were telling me a

while ago how they wanted to do this

this Americas where they've taken

Greenland part of it, potentially

Mexico, the Panama Canal, Venezuela, all

this. And it seems like that is all

being played right before our eyes.

Well, um that map you mentioned is um is

quite devastating really. Uh Elon Musk's

grandfather

uh was called Joshua Holderman and he uh

was involved in Canada although it began

in the United States uh in something

called technocracy and uh this is a form

of government that does not have elected

politicians but has appointed

technocrats and bureaucrats and um

whoever they choose to put in the

positions of power and um he uh

Holderman

um was um targeted in Canada for what he

was doing. He he was a a supporter of of

Hitler and then he moved in the 50s with

his wife to apartheid South Africa

because he uh supported apartheid

and Elon Musk was born in South Africa

um uh to to Alderman's uh daughter. Um

he then moves back into um into Canada

uh um Elon Musk and then down into

America. [snorts]

And um

Holderman um had a a map, the

technocracy that he was part of had a

map of what they wanted the the technage

as they call it to consist of. And this

is in the 1930s.

And it started um at the top of South

America with Venezuela and Colombia.

Went up through Panama and uh Central

America, through Mexico, United States,

obviously Canada

uh which Trump says he wants to make the

51st state, Cuba,

and um the top of it was Greenland.

Uh and this is in the 1930s and and he's

come in

um Trump and never mentioned this in the

election campaign and suddenly uh he's

wants all these countries. So there you

know

Trump is a gopher, right? If you talk to

anybody who has had any close

relationship with Trump, they'll say

he's a [ __ ] He's not very bright. He

does he not only doesn't he listen to

people, he doesn't read documents or or

any of it and um he is therefore a

perfect uh tool for manipulation.

Um I remember talking to um journalists

at the time of Margaret Thatcher in uh

in Britain and she was barely

one-dimensional. I mean seriously barely

one-dimensional. uh the Iron Lady. And

what they were saying is that what what

they were learning from people around

her is that all you had to do was come

up with an idea like a policy, like a

direction, and make sure that um she

thought it was her idea. Long as it was

her idea, [snorts] it's fine. it was

your idea, well, you know, you might

have more of a problem getting it

through. And when I when I look at what

is said about um Trump by people who've

had any connection to him, um if if you

praise the hell out of him and you

ulogize him to his face because he's

such an unbelievably uh narcissistic

human and if you go back to his

childhood and his upbringing with his

father and his his his mother, um he he

is still, if you look at it

psychologically, ally he's still trying

to please his father

um [clears throat]

still today. This is why so many people

have said uh the worst thing you can do

if you want uh to infuriate Trump is

call him a loser because basically that

that's what his father was was

indicating when he was younger. And so

um he's a dodle to manipulate by people

like Steven Miller and Howard Lutnik and

all these other people around him who've

got his ear. If you know how to

manipulate him and you make him think

that it's his idea and what a great idea

it is and what a great president he is

and he's the best president in history

and you know you know when you you watch

these um cabinet meetings that are that

are televised and basically they go they

go through the cabinet

>> and everyone just stops and does a

eulogy to Donald Trump. Well, [snorts]

tell me what's happening in your

department mate. Yeah,

>> but no, it's a eulogy to Donald Trump

because that's that's how you um you get

favor with Donald Trump and that's also

how you manipulate him.

>> Uh and uh so there will be people in the

background who have his ear and people

in the background behind them

>> that will be manipulating this guy to do

these things because

it's the cult agenda and it's not made

up uh as we go along. It's a long-term

thing. Hence why

>> hundreds of years hundreds of years in

advance

>> being played out.

>> Mhm. It's crazy how far ahead they plan.

It seems like like we hardly plan, you

know, a year ahead, but they have it

like hundreds of years mapped out. And

you can look up records of this. This

isn't some crazy, you know, nonsense.

You can see like the Greater Israel map.

All this stuff has been, you know,

talking taking Greenland. Been mapped

out forever. One last thing about Trump.

He's such a [ __ ] Did you see how the

Venezuelan opposition girl, I forget his

name, she won the Nobel Peace Prize and

then he like made her give it to him and

he's sitting there holding it with like

a smile. Could you imagine taking

someone else's Nobel Peace Prize and

hanging it proudly in your office? It's

just so embarrassing.

>> Well, yeah. And also and also uh uh

Jake, you see her and what she did uh

and the the the the unbelievable lack of

selfrespect that she clearly has. And

it's exactly what she did is what I've

just been describing. That's what you do

to exactly Trump.

>> So Trump Trump immediately after um uh

Maduro was was taken out, he uh made a

public statement that kind of indicated

that that lady was um was not going to u

be involved. Um she she's she's not uh

basically experienced enough. And and

basically what he was saying is I want

your Nobel Prize.

>> So she she turns up, gives it to him.

[snorts] Exactly what you do with Trump

>> and so embarrassing.

>> I'll be very interested now cuz he's

he's just been interviewed. I've just

seen it. And he said, "Oh, she's a

wonderful woman now." Well, it's a bit

different what you said before, but

sorry, you didn't have the Nobel Peace

Prize before, did you? Um he said, "Um,

she's a wonderful woman and we'll be

talking again. I'll be very interested

to see where she goes in relation to

Trump from here after um yeah

>> after um basically paying homage to um

to the living God.

>> Yeah. It'd be so embarrassing. It would

be the equivalent of let's say I had

power and I'm like I like David Ike's

books. I want you to say I read him and

came and gave it to me and I hung up my

wall. Or if you're like you know what I

want to have won some Fighting World

titles. You have to come give me your

championship belts and I went and

awarded to him and you put them up like

look at these belts I won. It's just

it's insanity. Like I don't how know how

he's not embarrassed by that to just

take someone's Nobel Prize and I think

she probably didn't deserve it to begin

with but just it's just embarrassing and

that's our president and you have MAGA

cheering this on. It's I I don't even

know what to say. I get attacked for not

supporting MAGA but

>> it's a it's a it's a it's a classic uh I

mean the the guy uh Trump is a child.

He's a child. Yeah.

>> And and it's like, you know, the the old

story of the emperor's uh new clothes

when the emperor is stark bloody naked

and everyone's saying, "Oh, where's

wonderful clothes? Oh, what lovely

clothes, Emperor." And all that stuff.

And some little child says, "Hold on,

he's naked. He got any clothes on." And

and and so you got all these people

around uh Trump eulogizing him, telling

him how wonderful he is. You've got all

these sickopants in in in MAGA. Um, a

lot of them have gone, but the the

extreme ones are left who are saying the

same. And um and and then anyone with a

brain cell on active duty is looking at

it and going, "He's a freaking child.

He's naked. Look at him." Uh, and and

once you once that penny drops,

everything starts to um starts to make

sense. And uh it was a a classic that um

uh she um paid homage to him. G gave him

a um Nobel Peace Prize. Not that that

matters if you look at some of the

people have won it.

>> Yeah. Exactly. The people that win that.

>> And um

>> I don't know why he wanted that so bad.

>> No. Um but but because he's a

narcissist, but well

>> he's been asking for that for years.

It's crazy. He's been just so badly

wanted that.

>> Yeah. Absolutely. Yes, he has Netanyahu

for it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Netanyahu. He's the

next winner, isn't he?

>> Yeah. Right. He can give Netanyahu or

Net Trump wanted Netanyahu to give it to

him. You have an wanted international

war criminal asking for because he gave

him like top Jew with the award. I don't

know what it's called, but it's a prize

just for you Jews. He's like, "Here, I

have you this award." And Trump's like,

"Well, how about the Nobel Peace Prize?"

You know, don't worry. Don't worry. It's

just so embarrassing.

>> Did you see that? um you know that guy

that that runs FIFA the the global

football organization who's who's up

Trump's backside all the time he's in

the Oval Office a number of times and uh

they actually created something called

the basically the FIFA peace prize

>> just to give it to him I mean

>> they make upwards to give to him it's

embarrassing

>> because if we eulogize him and and if we

pay homage to him, we'll get what we

want from him. That's that's that's

that's what they're all doing.

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