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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:38,734 Is yours working? 2 00:00:38,777 --> 00:00:40,388 Mm hm. 3 00:00:49,614 --> 00:00:51,877 All right, we're just gonna start easy. 4 00:00:51,921 --> 00:00:54,315 Can you give me your name, age and where you're from? 5 00:00:55,272 --> 00:00:56,404 Okay. 6 00:00:56,447 --> 00:00:58,101 My name is Dwight Nixon. 7 00:00:59,842 --> 00:01:01,191 I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. 8 00:01:01,235 --> 00:01:03,672 I'm 37 years old. 9 00:01:03,715 --> 00:01:05,065 And your wife? 10 00:01:05,108 --> 00:01:06,762 My wife's name is Emily Nixon. 11 00:01:06,805 --> 00:01:09,156 She's from Springfield, Tennessee. 12 00:01:09,199 --> 00:01:10,809 We both are livin' here now. 13 00:01:10,853 --> 00:01:12,507 Where's your wife now? 14 00:01:14,378 --> 00:01:17,381 Emily went missin' 32 days ago. 15 00:01:19,166 --> 00:01:21,211 Do you know what might've happened to her? 16 00:01:22,691 --> 00:01:25,563 No, but I plan to find out. 17 00:01:27,174 --> 00:01:28,871 Did you kill your wife? 18 00:01:37,227 --> 00:01:38,576 My name is Kaiser Whitmore. 19 00:01:39,925 --> 00:01:41,840 Me and my college classmate, Charlie Burris, 20 00:01:41,884 --> 00:01:43,973 are film students in Nashville, Tennessee. 21 00:01:44,887 --> 00:01:46,149 We read about the disappearance 22 00:01:46,193 --> 00:01:47,716 - of Emily Nixon - Emily! 23 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:49,152 and her husband Dwight's ongoing search 24 00:01:49,196 --> 00:01:51,807 for her while also remaining the primary suspect. 25 00:01:53,025 --> 00:01:54,331 We thought it interesting enough, 26 00:01:54,375 --> 00:01:56,116 so we inquired about doing this interview. 27 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,555 What we thought was gonna be a single day 28 00:02:00,598 --> 00:02:02,731 of filming turned into much more than that. 29 00:02:03,732 --> 00:02:05,516 Something more mysterious, 30 00:02:07,605 --> 00:02:08,824 more unexplainable. 31 00:02:08,867 --> 00:02:10,173 911, what's your emergency? 32 00:02:10,217 --> 00:02:11,174 More sinister. 33 00:02:12,697 --> 00:02:13,829 - Oh my God! - Oh God! 34 00:02:13,872 --> 00:02:15,222 Get outta here. 35 00:02:53,129 --> 00:02:54,696 - A few days after our initial interview, 36 00:02:54,739 --> 00:02:58,265 Dwight agreed to walk us through the day Emily disappeared. 37 00:02:58,308 --> 00:02:59,788 It happened on an 82 acre farm 38 00:02:59,831 --> 00:03:02,182 in Springfield, Tennessee called Howard's Mill. 39 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:06,186 Abandoned for nearly 50 years, 40 00:03:06,229 --> 00:03:09,058 the land consists of mostly overgrown fields, 41 00:03:09,101 --> 00:03:11,321 some small wooded areas and a large pond. 42 00:03:13,889 --> 00:03:14,759 That much stuff? 43 00:03:14,803 --> 00:03:15,934 Oh, he's here. 44 00:03:15,978 --> 00:03:17,588 - Okay, okay. - Do you need help? 45 00:03:17,632 --> 00:03:19,373 No, I'm good, I'm good. 46 00:03:21,897 --> 00:03:23,638 Hey, good to see you again. 47 00:03:23,681 --> 00:03:24,595 Hey, how you doin'? 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:25,292 Good, how are you? 49 00:03:25,335 --> 00:03:26,989 I'm all right. 50 00:03:27,032 --> 00:03:28,208 - Well, thank you so much for coming. 51 00:03:28,251 --> 00:03:32,168 Do you mind just walking us through that day, 52 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:35,650 beginning of the day up until her disappearance? 53 00:03:35,693 --> 00:03:36,912 Yeah, sure. 54 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:40,959 Emily and I got here probably about 12:15. 55 00:03:41,003 --> 00:03:42,178 Okay. 56 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:43,440 - We stopped by the nursing home. 57 00:03:43,484 --> 00:03:45,834 Emily's mom is in the nursing home. 58 00:03:45,877 --> 00:03:47,052 Oh, okay. 59 00:03:47,096 --> 00:03:49,185 - And we made sure she got her meds 60 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:51,622 and talked with her for a minute, then we drove up here. 61 00:03:51,666 --> 00:03:52,884 Yeah. 62 00:03:52,928 --> 00:03:54,016 - What were you guys doing over here again? 63 00:03:54,059 --> 00:03:55,104 Metal detector, 64 00:03:55,147 --> 00:03:55,931 - metal- - That's right. 65 00:03:55,974 --> 00:03:56,801 - Yeah. - Okay. 66 00:03:57,846 --> 00:04:00,283 So, when you did bring him in 67 00:04:00,327 --> 00:04:02,894 was there anything off about him? 68 00:04:02,938 --> 00:04:04,896 Nothin' stuck out at first. 69 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:08,770 He had a good recollection of the day. 70 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:11,033 And what were you doin' on the property? 71 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:15,167 - My wife and I are amateur treasure hunters. 72 00:04:15,211 --> 00:04:17,213 Do you ever find anything? 73 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:19,302 - No, it's just a way of spending time together. 74 00:04:19,346 --> 00:04:20,738 So, we're up here. 75 00:04:20,782 --> 00:04:23,698 We're metal detecting and then we decided, okay. 76 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:26,048 We decide we're gonna split off. 77 00:04:26,091 --> 00:04:27,049 All right? 78 00:04:27,092 --> 00:04:29,225 - So, I go- - Wait, y'all split off? 79 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:33,447 - When did you decide to go in different directions? 80 00:04:36,145 --> 00:04:37,712 We didn't. 81 00:04:37,755 --> 00:04:39,931 Well, I mean, it's what we do. 82 00:04:39,975 --> 00:04:41,716 We walk in different directions 83 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:43,848 so we're not coverin' the same area. 84 00:04:43,892 --> 00:04:48,070 - Kinda counter to spendin' time together wouldn't you say? 85 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,117 - And we always agree to meet at a certain, 86 00:04:52,161 --> 00:04:53,684 meet at a middle point. 87 00:04:53,728 --> 00:04:56,252 And so, we agreed to meet right over here, over that ridge. 88 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:58,341 Do you see way up there where that ridge is? 89 00:04:58,385 --> 00:04:59,255 - Yeah. - Okay. 90 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:00,735 That's where we agreed to meet. 91 00:05:00,778 --> 00:05:02,998 - When he started walkin' us through the routes 92 00:05:03,041 --> 00:05:04,956 that he and his wife took around the property, 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,089 that's when his story began fallin' apart. 94 00:05:07,132 --> 00:05:08,960 - So, you saw her the whole time? 95 00:05:10,397 --> 00:05:12,355 - I saw her most of the time, yeah. 96 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:15,924 - Can you show me on the map, the area you covered? 97 00:05:18,709 --> 00:05:20,755 - And if you look over this ridge here, 98 00:05:20,798 --> 00:05:22,539 you really can't see down into that. 99 00:05:22,583 --> 00:05:24,541 So, I figured that maybe she'll 100 00:05:24,585 --> 00:05:26,064 come over the hill eventually. 101 00:05:26,108 --> 00:05:29,590 So, I stop right about here in this little open space. 102 00:05:29,633 --> 00:05:33,594 - And where we found a piece of Emily's metal detector? 103 00:05:37,946 --> 00:05:39,948 - And I feel somethin' under my foot. 104 00:05:43,778 --> 00:05:44,996 Did the police come here 105 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,084 and meet you here? 106 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:47,738 Yes, yes. 107 00:05:47,782 --> 00:05:49,914 They couldn't find anything, I couldn't find anything. 108 00:05:54,092 --> 00:05:55,442 While searching the property, 109 00:05:55,485 --> 00:05:56,965 police discovered Emily's phone. 110 00:05:58,488 --> 00:05:59,663 The following footage 111 00:05:59,707 --> 00:06:01,099 was the last thing Emily recorded 112 00:06:01,143 --> 00:06:03,188 just moments before her disappearance. 113 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:06,409 - I'm gettin' a strong kick here. 114 00:06:06,453 --> 00:06:08,150 It seems to be about six inches down. 115 00:06:13,503 --> 00:06:15,810 What do we have here? 116 00:06:15,853 --> 00:06:17,855 Dwight's gonna be so mad. 117 00:06:18,943 --> 00:06:20,467 He never really finds anything. 118 00:06:21,642 --> 00:06:23,121 I'm not sure what it is right now 119 00:06:23,165 --> 00:06:25,863 but it seems kind of heavy and metallic. 120 00:06:25,907 --> 00:06:28,083 I'm gonna have to get it home to wash it off. 121 00:06:56,154 --> 00:06:58,418 Emily was born in Springfield, Tennessee. 122 00:06:58,461 --> 00:06:59,375 What are y'all posin' for? 123 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:00,985 This is a movie camera. 124 00:07:01,029 --> 00:07:04,293 Her dad died when she was six months old. 125 00:07:05,468 --> 00:07:08,036 - They can't bring no camera with you. 126 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:11,387 So, she was raised by her mom. 127 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:13,128 Just she and her mom. 128 00:07:17,741 --> 00:07:19,395 - I've known Emily since we were kids. 129 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:20,527 We grew up together. 130 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:21,702 We had lots of classes together 131 00:07:21,745 --> 00:07:23,094 and we just became best friends. 132 00:07:23,138 --> 00:07:25,227 - We've been best friends since junior high. 133 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:26,402 She was always happy. 134 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:27,969 She always had a smile. 135 00:07:28,012 --> 00:07:31,015 - She was sweet, kindhearted and hilarious. 136 00:07:31,059 --> 00:07:35,846 - Beautiful personality, liked by everyone. 137 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:38,545 - This town has always been really fun for us. 138 00:07:38,588 --> 00:07:40,503 We hung out, we got our own little places 139 00:07:40,547 --> 00:07:42,418 that we love to go and we spend a ton 140 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:45,290 of time just runnin' around and bein' goofy girls. 141 00:07:48,032 --> 00:07:50,818 Emily and I met in 2011. 142 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,777 When he got with Emily, 143 00:07:53,821 --> 00:07:55,997 it's like his whole life just changed. 144 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,564 Hi. 145 00:07:57,607 --> 00:07:58,434 Isn't she cute? 146 00:07:58,478 --> 00:07:59,348 He loved Emily. 147 00:07:59,391 --> 00:08:00,871 He'd just do anything for Emily. 148 00:08:01,829 --> 00:08:04,527 ♪ Happy birthday 149 00:08:04,571 --> 00:08:07,965 - It felt really quick, like pretty quick for her. 150 00:08:08,009 --> 00:08:09,314 I mean, that was a unique situation. 151 00:08:09,358 --> 00:08:11,491 I wasn't used to her responding so quickly. 152 00:08:11,534 --> 00:08:15,059 - It was fast, but he just fell head 153 00:08:15,103 --> 00:08:18,236 over heels in love with her. 154 00:08:23,328 --> 00:08:25,809 We got married in 2013. 155 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,861 So, Dwight just got to Springfield, Tennessee. 156 00:08:35,993 --> 00:08:38,039 You ready for your first pair of overalls? 157 00:08:39,693 --> 00:08:41,869 - What'd you think we didn't have 'em Atlanta in the 1990s? 158 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:44,915 I just hope you don't care 159 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:46,961 if I have one strap on with no shirt. 160 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:50,181 - Oo yeah! - Oh, whatever. 161 00:08:51,705 --> 00:08:53,533 Well, I think you're gonna love living here. 162 00:08:53,576 --> 00:08:55,447 It's a great place to raise a family. 163 00:08:57,319 --> 00:08:58,973 So, you're ready for a family? 164 00:09:00,844 --> 00:09:02,454 Hm, maybe. 165 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:25,260 - Robertson County was founded in 1796 166 00:09:25,303 --> 00:09:29,177 the same year the state of Tennessee was established. 167 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:34,835 It is a small town, but we do have a lot of history. 168 00:09:34,878 --> 00:09:38,665 We have tobacco, we have the whiskey industry. 169 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:40,580 It's a wonderful place to live. 170 00:09:42,451 --> 00:09:44,627 Been here all my life, so far. 171 00:09:46,934 --> 00:09:48,805 - I feel like everyone's family here. 172 00:09:55,116 --> 00:09:58,685 - That Eagle was picking up baby pigs, 173 00:09:58,728 --> 00:10:00,556 and so it had to be killed. 174 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,967 Did you ever regret moving here? 175 00:10:20,010 --> 00:10:21,490 No, not at all. 176 00:10:22,534 --> 00:10:23,405 - I don't- - Even if it means 177 00:10:23,448 --> 00:10:24,798 you never see Emily again? 178 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:29,150 - No, I don't regret moving here and I definitely 179 00:10:29,193 --> 00:10:32,414 don't blame moving here for Emily's disappearance. 180 00:10:32,457 --> 00:10:35,939 Is it possible that Emily just left on her own? 181 00:10:35,983 --> 00:10:36,810 Absolutely not. 182 00:10:37,985 --> 00:10:40,335 She wouldn't just leave. 183 00:10:46,341 --> 00:10:48,343 - There was somethin' about Emily's disappearance 184 00:10:48,386 --> 00:10:50,650 that never seemed right to me. 185 00:10:53,087 --> 00:10:54,305 The clues weren't there. 186 00:10:56,307 --> 00:10:58,266 In my experience, when somebody goes missing, 187 00:10:58,309 --> 00:10:59,267 there's always a clue. 188 00:10:59,310 --> 00:11:00,529 We had nothin' to go on. 189 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:04,664 She just flat disappeared. 190 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:07,623 He was the last person to see her. 191 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:09,451 That's going to obviously put him 192 00:11:09,494 --> 00:11:11,845 at a higher level of suspicion. 193 00:11:13,411 --> 00:11:14,282 Do you think her husband 194 00:11:14,325 --> 00:11:15,631 had something to do with it? 195 00:11:17,067 --> 00:11:19,374 - Man, I hate to speculate on stuff like that. 196 00:11:20,592 --> 00:11:23,073 - When this case with she'd been gone a month, 197 00:11:23,117 --> 00:11:24,727 I would likely expect to find 198 00:11:24,771 --> 00:11:26,511 a body instead of a living person. 199 00:11:27,991 --> 00:11:29,689 - Course everybody's got an angle. 200 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:32,126 Who you gonna believe? 201 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:42,702 Were there any problems in your marriage problems? 202 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:44,312 - No, we didn't have any problems. 203 00:11:44,355 --> 00:11:46,314 Not any different than any other couple. 204 00:11:46,357 --> 00:11:48,185 Any major fights recently? 205 00:11:49,534 --> 00:11:50,361 No. 206 00:11:51,928 --> 00:11:53,843 Why are you harassin' me? 207 00:11:53,887 --> 00:11:54,975 - Why do you think I had lunch with you? 208 00:11:55,018 --> 00:11:58,152 - Last chance. - You're crazy. 209 00:11:58,195 --> 00:12:00,458 Do you recall that argument? 210 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:03,635 Yes. 211 00:12:04,985 --> 00:12:07,727 - We were able to uncover a bit more evidence 212 00:12:07,770 --> 00:12:10,686 about the relationship between Mr and Mrs. Nixon. 213 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,166 - Sometimes people are drunk and they fight, 214 00:12:12,209 --> 00:12:14,777 and she'd spend some time with me when she felt 215 00:12:14,821 --> 00:12:17,171 like she needed to let him cool off. 216 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:19,260 He would never physically hurt her, would he? 217 00:12:19,303 --> 00:12:21,566 - Absolutely not, absolutely not. 218 00:12:22,872 --> 00:12:27,137 He was not brought up around violence at all. 219 00:12:27,181 --> 00:12:28,704 He comes from a family where 220 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:33,535 the women were very well respected 221 00:12:33,578 --> 00:12:38,322 and that's just something totally against his nature. 222 00:12:38,366 --> 00:12:40,934 - I warned her that it could possibly 223 00:12:40,977 --> 00:12:43,371 be on the verge of actually turning violent. 224 00:12:43,414 --> 00:12:46,548 - Even if you get angry with them, you walk away. 225 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:02,259 Detective Latta believes you killed your wife. 226 00:13:02,303 --> 00:13:03,739 Of course he does. 227 00:13:05,306 --> 00:13:06,829 But what you should concern yourself 228 00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:08,613 with is what he's not sayin'. 229 00:13:11,747 --> 00:13:12,966 This has happened before, 230 00:13:13,009 --> 00:13:14,619 right there on that same property. 231 00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:31,593 - People still say things happen around here all the time. 232 00:13:31,636 --> 00:13:33,160 You can ask anybody in the community 233 00:13:33,203 --> 00:13:36,816 and they've had some story or odd occurrence out here. 234 00:13:38,382 --> 00:13:41,298 It's kind of a local novelty. 235 00:13:41,342 --> 00:13:43,866 Kids talk about the place and they dare 236 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:48,871 their buddies to go over there and walk around or whatever. 237 00:13:50,351 --> 00:13:53,093 We went there one time, we'll never go back. 238 00:13:54,485 --> 00:13:57,271 - Our friend went in and he didn't come out for 15 minutes, 239 00:13:57,314 --> 00:13:59,403 and when he came out, he was crying. 240 00:13:59,447 --> 00:14:00,665 - As soon as we pulled out my truck 241 00:14:00,709 --> 00:14:02,102 just went , 242 00:14:02,145 --> 00:14:04,974 started givin' out and he said he saw somethin', 243 00:14:05,018 --> 00:14:06,280 in my headlights. 244 00:14:06,323 --> 00:14:07,672 He said he saw some woman or somethin'. 245 00:14:07,716 --> 00:14:08,935 - I'm pretty sure it's like a ghost 246 00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:10,850 because it was moving slightly. 247 00:14:12,025 --> 00:14:13,461 And I don't believe in no supernatural 248 00:14:13,504 --> 00:14:15,376 but I did run, so. 249 00:14:19,946 --> 00:14:21,295 I look up and there's like, 250 00:14:21,338 --> 00:14:25,081 just this silver thing just sittin' in the sky. 251 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:27,475 And I was like, that's kinda weird. 252 00:14:27,518 --> 00:14:28,955 Yeah, I've seen some lights. 253 00:14:28,998 --> 00:14:30,826 And all this whole area, 254 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:35,439 this whole county is known to have odd events happen. 255 00:14:35,483 --> 00:14:37,964 It could definitely be the reason you have strange events 256 00:14:38,007 --> 00:14:41,315 and occurrences on the Howard's property. 257 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:43,926 All this property was sacred hunting ground to the Indians. 258 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:47,669 So, they supposedly protected this property 259 00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:50,933 by way of blessing these rocks and the graves. 260 00:14:50,977 --> 00:14:55,068 So, incidentally I don't mess with graves out here 261 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:58,506 because I don't wanna start it again, whatever it was. 262 00:15:02,031 --> 00:15:03,467 This has happened before, 263 00:15:03,511 --> 00:15:05,208 right there on that same property. 264 00:15:06,209 --> 00:15:07,471 What do you mean? 265 00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:08,472 Who'd this happen to? 266 00:15:08,516 --> 00:15:10,039 When? 267 00:15:10,083 --> 00:15:14,870 - In 1994, a little girl named Sarah Winston disappeared. 268 00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:17,568 Just vanished right there at Howard's Mill. 269 00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:27,448 Did you feed some chips to the birds? 270 00:15:27,491 --> 00:15:28,971 Uh- 271 00:15:29,015 --> 00:15:32,496 - Yeah, did you see that blue heron? 272 00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:37,066 Want another sandwich, baby? 273 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:38,328 No, I'm cool. 274 00:15:38,372 --> 00:15:39,590 Are you saving room for cake? 275 00:15:39,634 --> 00:15:40,548 Yeah. 276 00:15:40,591 --> 00:15:41,723 I am, too. 277 00:15:41,766 --> 00:15:43,377 - Chocolate cake. - Mm, mm, mm. 278 00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:44,204 I love you, baby. 279 00:15:44,247 --> 00:15:45,205 I love you too. 280 00:15:45,248 --> 00:15:46,423 - Mwah. - You want a sandwich? 281 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:47,685 No, no thank you, I'm good. 282 00:15:47,729 --> 00:15:48,904 - You don't want- - I'm gonna go play. 283 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:50,036 - Be careful up there. - Love you, Dad. 284 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:51,254 All right, love you too. 285 00:15:51,298 --> 00:15:52,168 - You didn't like that she didn't stay. 286 00:15:52,212 --> 00:15:53,082 I don't think I do. 287 00:15:54,779 --> 00:15:55,911 Look how fast she's runnin' in those boots. 288 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:56,868 She's running now. 289 00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:00,872 Sarah? 290 00:16:00,916 --> 00:16:02,962 Sarah, are you okay? 291 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:03,919 She's playin' around. 292 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,268 I don't see her. 293 00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:06,966 Well, hold on. 294 00:16:07,009 --> 00:16:07,792 Sarah? 295 00:16:07,836 --> 00:16:09,751 Sarah? 296 00:16:09,794 --> 00:16:10,926 Honey, 297 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:14,016 - go see what happened. - Sarah? 298 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:15,061 Come on now. 299 00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:17,193 Sarah? 300 00:16:17,237 --> 00:16:18,934 Sarah? 301 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:19,979 Sarah? 302 00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:21,197 Don't see her? 303 00:16:21,241 --> 00:16:22,764 Sarah! 304 00:16:22,807 --> 00:16:23,591 Sarah? 305 00:16:23,634 --> 00:16:24,418 Sarah! 306 00:16:24,461 --> 00:16:25,419 Good Lord! 307 00:16:25,462 --> 00:16:26,376 Where'd she go? 308 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:27,290 Sarah! 309 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:28,335 Sarah? 310 00:16:28,378 --> 00:16:29,727 Sarah? 311 00:16:31,077 --> 00:16:33,209 Sarah? 312 00:16:33,253 --> 00:16:34,515 Oh my God. 313 00:16:34,558 --> 00:16:35,603 Oh my God, 314 00:16:35,646 --> 00:16:36,430 - where did she go? - Sarah? 315 00:16:36,473 --> 00:16:37,257 Sarah! 316 00:16:38,736 --> 00:16:39,563 Sarah! 317 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:42,871 Sarah! 318 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:47,397 We were able to track down 319 00:16:47,441 --> 00:16:50,270 the lead investigator from the Sarah Winston disappearance, 320 00:16:50,313 --> 00:16:52,881 retired Detective, Dan Thompson. 321 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:57,712 So, you worked the Sarah Winston case? 322 00:16:57,755 --> 00:17:00,758 - Yes, I did and it was real tragic, that one. 323 00:17:00,802 --> 00:17:03,239 - Well, what do you remember about it? 324 00:17:03,283 --> 00:17:05,807 Oh, I remember everything. 325 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:07,026 Everything. 326 00:17:07,069 --> 00:17:08,505 She went missing practically right 327 00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:12,248 in front of her parents, broad daylight. 328 00:17:12,292 --> 00:17:13,249 Hm. 329 00:17:13,293 --> 00:17:14,859 Yeah, that was a strange case. 330 00:17:14,903 --> 00:17:16,470 There was an open field. 331 00:17:16,513 --> 00:17:19,908 They were out, nobody around and next thing you know, gone. 332 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,043 Nowhere to hide, nobody anywhere around, nothin'. 333 00:17:24,086 --> 00:17:24,913 No sounds. 334 00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:26,654 Very strange. 335 00:17:28,395 --> 00:17:30,049 What do you think happened? 336 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,006 I'm not sure. 337 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,008 That case was never solved, 338 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:36,055 so never found an end to it. 339 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:39,275 We found an address for Roger Winston 340 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:41,799 just outside Bowling Green, Kentucky. 341 00:17:50,373 --> 00:17:51,679 All right. 342 00:17:51,722 --> 00:17:53,289 Ah, is that it? 343 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:54,203 Yeah, this is it. 344 00:17:54,247 --> 00:17:55,770 - Okay. - Let's go. 345 00:18:02,994 --> 00:18:04,387 It was a Saturday. 346 00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:07,216 We were celebratin' her 10th birthday 347 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:10,350 off of Old State Highway 41. 348 00:18:10,393 --> 00:18:11,699 The Howard place? 349 00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:16,747 - We just treated it like a park. 350 00:18:18,053 --> 00:18:19,272 Nobody bothered us there. 351 00:18:23,972 --> 00:18:25,278 She liked to run around. 352 00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:27,410 Did you see that blue heron? 353 00:18:27,454 --> 00:18:30,196 She was the happiest kid I ever saw. 354 00:18:31,197 --> 00:18:32,633 I love you, Dad. 355 00:18:32,676 --> 00:18:34,330 And you didn't see anyone else around? 356 00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:38,029 Nah, it's just us. 357 00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:47,691 Then after , I ran up there. 358 00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:49,737 Hey, baby, come on! 359 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:50,564 Tryin' to find her and, 360 00:18:50,607 --> 00:18:51,869 Sarah! 361 00:18:51,913 --> 00:18:53,001 See if she was okay and... 362 00:18:53,044 --> 00:18:54,524 Sarah! 363 00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:55,351 Sarah? 364 00:18:55,395 --> 00:18:56,265 Sarah? 365 00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:57,179 She wasn't there. 366 00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:00,704 Vanished. 367 00:19:00,748 --> 00:19:02,489 Just poof, she's gone. 368 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:08,234 Gone. 369 00:19:21,899 --> 00:19:25,120 - Roger, to say he went to pieces is an understatement. 370 00:19:26,991 --> 00:19:28,515 After she went missin', 371 00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:33,563 he just totally, just lost his self, lost everything. 372 00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:37,263 It was like all the life had been taken out of him. 373 00:19:38,568 --> 00:19:40,135 - He started havin' to deal with that grief 374 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,703 and the way that he chose to deal with it was an addiction. 375 00:19:42,746 --> 00:19:47,751 It ruined his family and you can't really reason 376 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:52,234 with somebody when they're in such a depression. 377 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,107 It hits you the way it hits you. 378 00:19:56,151 --> 00:19:57,544 If you think about it we're all 379 00:19:57,587 --> 00:20:00,416 one missing kid away from being a crazy person. 380 00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:06,422 - Then he started chasing all these theories. 381 00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:10,513 - He's not the person I knew back before this happened. 382 00:20:12,863 --> 00:20:17,216 - How can you say goodbye when they're still out there? 383 00:20:23,047 --> 00:20:27,356 After she was gone, I went back everyday, 384 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,532 and then every Saturday, 385 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:36,365 and then once a year on the day it happened. 386 00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:44,373 One year I went and it was 2004, 387 00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:49,335 and I got there and it was already dark out. 388 00:20:49,378 --> 00:20:52,686 It was sunset but it was dark. 389 00:20:57,212 --> 00:20:59,562 And it looked different, yeah. 390 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:07,004 Somebody put a pond in almost exactly 391 00:21:09,442 --> 00:21:11,270 on the spot where Sarah... 392 00:21:14,577 --> 00:21:15,404 Sarah! 393 00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:21,715 There was somethin' floatin' in it. 394 00:21:36,556 --> 00:21:37,992 I found this there that night. 395 00:21:42,779 --> 00:21:45,608 It was wet, but it was spotless. 396 00:21:50,613 --> 00:21:54,400 Just like the day she made it. 397 00:21:54,443 --> 00:21:57,925 There's no way this was laying in the dirt, 398 00:21:57,968 --> 00:21:59,753 floatin' in that pond for 10 years. 399 00:22:08,979 --> 00:22:11,895 So what do you think happened? 400 00:22:11,939 --> 00:22:13,810 - I think she was tryin' to come home. 401 00:22:14,855 --> 00:22:16,378 Come home from where? 402 00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:25,953 Sarah in 1994. 403 00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:28,521 Emily in 2017. 404 00:22:29,913 --> 00:22:33,830 Two disappearances so similar, but over 20 years apart. 405 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:39,314 Are they connected or just coincidental tragedies? 406 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:41,185 That's 'cause she's not dead. 407 00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:43,492 She's still out there. 408 00:22:45,015 --> 00:22:46,190 You wife might be, too. 409 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:52,849 We needed a lead to connect Emily and Sarah. 410 00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:55,374 Something real, someone. 411 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:00,727 The day that Emily went missing, 412 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:03,164 why didn't you immediately call the police? 413 00:23:03,207 --> 00:23:05,949 - I don't know, I did what anyone else would. 414 00:23:05,993 --> 00:23:07,690 I started yellin' for her. 415 00:23:07,734 --> 00:23:09,083 I called her cell phone. 416 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:12,478 That took some time. 417 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:14,305 Three hours? 418 00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:17,570 - I mean, look, it took at least 10 minutes goin' back 419 00:23:17,613 --> 00:23:19,006 and forth to the car. 420 00:23:19,049 --> 00:23:21,922 Then goin' through the woods was like another hour. 421 00:23:25,316 --> 00:23:26,405 I wasn't thinkin' about time. 422 00:23:30,365 --> 00:23:32,411 What do we have here? 423 00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:33,499 Can I show you something? 424 00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:36,589 Do you see that? 425 00:23:36,632 --> 00:23:38,068 There's someone in the background. 426 00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:45,032 Why am I just seein' this? 427 00:23:45,075 --> 00:23:46,294 Because we thought it could be you. 428 00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:49,950 That's not me. 429 00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:51,081 That's Wayne. 430 00:23:55,738 --> 00:23:56,652 For the first time 431 00:23:56,696 --> 00:23:58,480 since we began our documentary, 432 00:23:58,524 --> 00:24:00,439 we had a suspect other than Dwight. 433 00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:08,490 The Ritchie farm borders to Howard's property to the west, 434 00:24:08,534 --> 00:24:10,536 giving Wayne the most direct access 435 00:24:10,579 --> 00:24:13,147 to Howard's Mill than any of the other neighbors. 436 00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:15,236 Yeah, I know Wayne. 437 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,543 He's kinda keeps to himself. 438 00:24:17,586 --> 00:24:20,415 He doesn't do much socializing or nothin'. 439 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:23,418 - He's just one of those guys that, 440 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:25,986 he's kind of like the town eccentric. 441 00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:29,729 Just kinda odd , kinda like the rest of us. 442 00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:31,252 But anyhow. 443 00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:32,775 You see him sometimes with, 444 00:24:32,819 --> 00:24:35,299 he's got a rabbit in his hand that he got on the road. 445 00:24:35,343 --> 00:24:36,562 I don't know what he does with it. 446 00:24:36,605 --> 00:24:37,824 No. 447 00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:40,566 His job is pickin' up roadkill for the county. 448 00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:41,828 Somebody gotta do it. 449 00:24:41,871 --> 00:24:43,699 - I know when my kids were little, 450 00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:46,615 I used to go to like the food store and the toy store, 451 00:24:46,659 --> 00:24:48,965 he'd be buyin' like all this baby food. 452 00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:50,184 - Heard a story about him awhile back, 453 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:53,056 that he, he's kinda off. 454 00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:55,232 So his momma, he wanted the money from his momma 455 00:24:55,276 --> 00:24:57,452 and she told him to go rob a bank. 456 00:24:57,496 --> 00:24:58,888 Well, he goes up here and robs the bank 457 00:24:58,932 --> 00:25:00,716 and he ain't gonna hurt nobody. 458 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,631 But he said, "I'm here to get some money. 459 00:25:02,675 --> 00:25:04,677 My momma told me to come get some money from y'all. 460 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,765 I'm here to rob a bank." 461 00:25:10,639 --> 00:25:14,034 - I think Wayne's life was probably pretty tough at home. 462 00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:16,340 I think his dad was pretty rough on him 463 00:25:16,384 --> 00:25:19,692 and his dad was a no nonsense kinda guy, 464 00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:22,869 a hard workin' man, hard drinkin' guy 465 00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:25,698 and I think Wayne was scared to death of him. 466 00:25:25,741 --> 00:25:27,177 And to be honest with you, 467 00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:28,483 I probably was a little bit too. 468 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,137 Were you scared of Wayne at all? 469 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:31,138 No, no. 470 00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:32,574 I don't think he's dangerous. 471 00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:34,271 I think he's just kind of a loner. 472 00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:37,579 - Most people just leave him alone, leave him be because- 473 00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:39,450 - He'd probably run 'em off anyway. 474 00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:40,321 He probably would. 475 00:25:40,364 --> 00:25:41,235 - He was- - That's the way 476 00:25:41,278 --> 00:25:43,106 his family's always been. 477 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:46,545 - There's been a lot of kids going to that house. 478 00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,198 Like we would normally like ride four wheelers 479 00:25:48,242 --> 00:25:51,637 down our road and stuff and we never do that anymore. 480 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,163 He has threatened to kill me and my neighbor. 481 00:26:00,863 --> 00:26:02,735 - Well, he kinda takes care of it. 482 00:26:02,778 --> 00:26:05,346 Used to be a farm several years ago 483 00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:07,304 but it kinda died out. 484 00:26:07,348 --> 00:26:09,655 Now he just does some mowin' and things like that. 485 00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:11,657 - Well, I don't know why he's mowing that lawn 486 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,616 when the Howard's left decades ago. 487 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:15,835 - Why would anybody do that? - I don't know but he had, 488 00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:18,054 the Howard's ain't comin' back. 489 00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:22,755 - Before he kinda tried to kidnap a girl 490 00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:25,366 I think is the way that it turned out to be. 491 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:27,760 We all just kinda thought that he was strange. 492 00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:31,067 - He gave this girl a ride home from school. 493 00:26:31,111 --> 00:26:32,634 He didn't stop at her house. 494 00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:35,811 He just kept going and she was gone for a whole hour. 495 00:26:39,902 --> 00:26:41,425 Is Wayne a suspect? 496 00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,865 Wayne's slow. 497 00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:48,128 He's always been slow. 498 00:26:48,171 --> 00:26:52,698 He likes to keep to himself which upsets some people. 499 00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:54,264 Kidnappin'? 500 00:26:54,308 --> 00:26:55,135 No. 501 00:26:56,615 --> 00:27:00,314 Wayne Ritchie didn't kidnap anybody. 502 00:27:00,357 --> 00:27:01,750 But what about Terra Edwards? 503 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,454 Although Wayne Ritchie was nearby 504 00:27:10,498 --> 00:27:14,241 during the disappearance of Emily Nixon and Sarah Winston, 505 00:27:14,284 --> 00:27:18,375 we wrote him off as a harmless misunderstood recluse. 506 00:27:18,419 --> 00:27:20,595 But then we learned about Terra Edwards. 507 00:27:26,122 --> 00:27:28,472 Yeah, I was 14. 508 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:30,910 We all thought he was harmless. 509 00:27:30,953 --> 00:27:33,477 One day he said he'd take me home. 510 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:39,527 But he just drove right past my neighborhood. 511 00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:42,138 - Apparently Mr. Ritchie had gone to the school 512 00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:44,575 in his car and my daughter doesn't have a car to drive. 513 00:27:44,619 --> 00:27:46,403 So, offered her a ride home. 514 00:27:47,578 --> 00:27:50,669 They drove towards the house and when she said, 515 00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:51,887 "This is my house, 516 00:27:51,931 --> 00:27:54,063 just let me off in front of the house," 517 00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:55,151 he kept driving. 518 00:27:58,677 --> 00:27:59,895 Next thing I remember, 519 00:27:59,939 --> 00:28:02,768 I mean, I just started screaming, freaking out. 520 00:28:02,811 --> 00:28:06,946 Next stop sign I jump outta the car, run home, tell my dad. 521 00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:08,251 I could see right away. 522 00:28:08,295 --> 00:28:09,818 I knew somethin' was wrong. 523 00:28:10,863 --> 00:28:11,951 I called the cops. 524 00:28:20,307 --> 00:28:21,874 - Oh, I remember Wayne Ritchie very well. 525 00:28:21,917 --> 00:28:23,745 It was my second year as a teacher. 526 00:28:23,789 --> 00:28:26,356 Wayne was not a very good student 527 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,315 and his heart wasn't in it, 528 00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:31,274 never really got in a whole lot of trouble. 529 00:28:31,318 --> 00:28:33,494 He just didn't do much while he was here. 530 00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:36,976 - Obviously he has somethin' wrong. 531 00:28:38,368 --> 00:28:39,892 - It was a little awkward because he would come. 532 00:28:39,935 --> 00:28:41,502 He was not a student here, 533 00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:44,853 but he would come up and even enter the building at times. 534 00:28:44,897 --> 00:28:47,595 So we ran him off on a number of occasions. 535 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:50,163 - I didn't think taking a ride with them was a big deal, 536 00:28:50,206 --> 00:28:54,645 until he had that look that, I mean, it was just blank. 537 00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:55,908 There was nothing there. 538 00:28:57,474 --> 00:29:00,956 - I think it was just a big infatuation on his part 539 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,262 that had gotten to a point 540 00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:05,395 that it was probably not healthy anymore. 541 00:29:05,439 --> 00:29:07,963 I never thought he was capable 542 00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:12,185 of hurting someone until that day. 543 00:29:12,228 --> 00:29:14,056 His intentions weren't good. 544 00:29:15,971 --> 00:29:18,539 - Now, Wayne, he did have an uncle 545 00:29:18,582 --> 00:29:20,671 or a cousin that was on the police force, 546 00:29:20,715 --> 00:29:21,934 tried to make it look like it 547 00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:24,197 was an innocent misunderstanding. 548 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,415 Of course, it went away 549 00:29:25,459 --> 00:29:29,419 and Terra's dad was pretty upset about that. 550 00:29:29,463 --> 00:29:32,771 - What I remember what the cops did was nothing. 551 00:29:35,077 --> 00:29:37,297 I mean, with Emily and Sarah Winston 552 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,038 both missin' so close to his property, 553 00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:42,258 that's just too much of a coincidence. 554 00:29:44,739 --> 00:29:45,696 So yeah, you're damn right, 555 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,176 I wanna talk to Wayne Ritchie. 556 00:29:57,491 --> 00:29:59,754 Mr. Ritchie, do you have a minute? 557 00:30:01,712 --> 00:30:03,105 No, I got nothin' to say, so. 558 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,264 The Lopez's? 559 00:30:31,307 --> 00:30:33,483 Wait, wait, wait! 560 00:30:33,527 --> 00:30:34,615 - I can't talk right now. - No, no, just, 561 00:30:34,658 --> 00:30:36,399 I gotta go. 562 00:30:36,443 --> 00:30:38,445 Leave me alone. 563 00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:43,145 Did you get that? 564 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:47,758 Wayne's mention of the Lopez's led us 565 00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:50,413 to a third missing persons case connected 566 00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:52,372 to the Howard's property. 567 00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:55,201 In 1977 a family of migrant workers vanished, 568 00:30:55,244 --> 00:30:57,768 leaving behind their nine-year-old son, Daniel. 569 00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:00,946 My uncle cried out. 570 00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:02,425 I looked up and he was gone. 571 00:31:04,688 --> 00:31:08,867 Then my father, he fell, 572 00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:11,478 dropped straight to the ground. 573 00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:13,784 He was reachin' up for my mother's dress 574 00:31:13,828 --> 00:31:17,919 when he was goin' down and then she was gone, too. 575 00:31:33,935 --> 00:31:36,155 Are you familiar with the Lopez's? 576 00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:37,765 No, I don't believe so. 577 00:31:39,201 --> 00:31:42,944 - In the '70s they started entering migrant workers 578 00:31:42,988 --> 00:31:45,555 here to work the tobacco field 'cause they couldn't 579 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:46,861 get other people to work. 580 00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:50,778 - The Howard's had foreign farm hands 581 00:31:50,821 --> 00:31:52,693 come in before anybody else did. 582 00:31:52,736 --> 00:31:54,695 - He used a lot of 'em, Mr. Howard. 583 00:31:54,738 --> 00:31:56,827 He used a lot of 'em throughout the years. 584 00:32:00,005 --> 00:32:01,528 You remember the Lopez case? 585 00:32:01,571 --> 00:32:03,051 Mm hm, yeah. 586 00:32:04,226 --> 00:32:07,273 They left a abandoned little boy, I think. 587 00:32:07,316 --> 00:32:08,665 Left a little boy at 10 years old, 588 00:32:08,709 --> 00:32:10,232 nine years old, somethin' like that. 589 00:32:10,276 --> 00:32:12,974 - His family went missin' and we took them in for awhile 590 00:32:13,018 --> 00:32:17,196 and we were hopin' that his family would come back 591 00:32:17,239 --> 00:32:19,938 but they never did. 592 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:23,158 The county came and got him and sent him back to Illinois. 593 00:32:23,202 --> 00:32:24,551 It's really sad though, 594 00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:28,033 that his family left him like that. 595 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:29,382 - I just had a hard time believin' 596 00:32:29,425 --> 00:32:32,037 that they ever would abandon their son. 597 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,299 They were such a tight knit family. 598 00:32:33,342 --> 00:32:35,257 - Do you have a case file I could look at? 599 00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:37,825 I don't, no. 600 00:32:37,868 --> 00:32:40,132 That was Jennings case and he's passed on now. 601 00:32:40,175 --> 00:32:42,003 So, I'm sure there's something in the archive. 602 00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:42,830 We can go look it up. 603 00:32:56,626 --> 00:32:58,585 I'm Helen Jennings. 604 00:32:58,628 --> 00:33:00,717 David Jennings was my husband. 605 00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,331 What did he do? 606 00:33:05,374 --> 00:33:08,508 - He was on the police force here in Springfield. 607 00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:12,903 He was on the force, gosh, for 40 years plus 608 00:33:12,947 --> 00:33:17,169 and he was promoted to detective in '69, 1969, I think. 609 00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:21,782 Is there a lot of detective work in this town? 610 00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:23,262 It seems pretty quiet. 611 00:33:23,305 --> 00:33:25,307 - Well, it does, but you'd be surprised. 612 00:33:25,351 --> 00:33:29,485 We had a lot of crime here, including murders. 613 00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:32,314 Any cases that stood out in particular? 614 00:33:32,358 --> 00:33:33,968 Oh yes, absolutely. 615 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,275 It was the Lopez case. 616 00:33:36,318 --> 00:33:38,103 It just got under his skin more 617 00:33:38,146 --> 00:33:40,714 than anything else he ever worked on. 618 00:33:40,757 --> 00:33:43,630 They never found any trace of the family, 619 00:33:43,673 --> 00:33:45,806 they left everything behind. 620 00:33:45,849 --> 00:33:49,462 The boy even said, "They disappeared into the earth." 621 00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:51,551 Did he believe Daniel's story 622 00:33:51,594 --> 00:33:53,596 about being sucked into the earth? 623 00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:58,775 - He believed there was a logical explanation to it. 624 00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:01,213 He investigated sinkholes, earthquakes, 625 00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:03,824 anything that he could find 626 00:34:03,867 --> 00:34:06,131 that would prove the boy's story, 627 00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:10,787 but sad as it was, the Lopez family abandoned Daniel. 628 00:34:14,878 --> 00:34:17,272 We were able to track down Daniel Lopez, 629 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,579 who is now living in Raleigh, North Carolina. 630 00:34:24,453 --> 00:34:25,280 Daniel? 631 00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:26,368 - Yes. - Hey, Dwight. 632 00:34:26,412 --> 00:34:27,717 Hey, how you doin'? 633 00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:28,849 - This is Kaiser - Kaiser, nice to meet you. 634 00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:30,111 - and Charlie. - Pleasure, pleasure. 635 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,852 - How's it goin'? - You ready to talk? 636 00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:32,679 Yeah, yeah. 637 00:34:32,722 --> 00:34:33,506 Come on in. 638 00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:34,724 All right. 639 00:34:34,768 --> 00:34:35,725 Come on. 640 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:41,514 Let's start with you tellin' 641 00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:43,168 us who your parents were. 642 00:34:43,211 --> 00:34:44,821 My parents were migrants. 643 00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:46,084 We all traveled together. 644 00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:50,305 - So what brought you and your family to Howard's Mill? 645 00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:53,526 - Howard's Mill was a big tobacco farm. 646 00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:55,919 We spent many months there. 647 00:34:55,963 --> 00:34:58,052 - Do you remember a man named Wayne Ritchie? 648 00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,401 He lived nearby. 649 00:34:59,445 --> 00:35:01,186 We spent some time together. 650 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:02,839 We didn't have much in common, 651 00:35:02,883 --> 00:35:07,409 but neither of us really was around other kids. 652 00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:09,716 - Tell us about the, what you remember 653 00:35:09,759 --> 00:35:12,153 about the day your family disappeared. 654 00:35:12,197 --> 00:35:14,634 It was late afternoon. 655 00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:15,678 I was about, 656 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:20,030 20 steps from the old barn. 657 00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:25,558 My family was out in the fields, loading up the pickup truck 658 00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:26,776 with the day's crop. 659 00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:30,171 Can you describe that field? 660 00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:33,131 - It was directly behind the house. 661 00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:36,482 The ground dipped down 662 00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:40,747 and started to spring right back up into a ridge. 663 00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:44,403 They were about halfway up the hill, 664 00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:48,711 maybe about 100 to 150 yards from the house. 665 00:35:48,755 --> 00:35:50,278 My uncle cried out. 666 00:35:50,322 --> 00:35:51,888 I looked up and he was gone. 667 00:35:54,021 --> 00:35:55,979 Then my father, 668 00:35:57,285 --> 00:36:00,854 he fell, dropped straight to the ground. 669 00:36:00,897 --> 00:36:02,551 - He- - You remember it that well? 670 00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:10,255 - Yeah, you can't forget something like that. 671 00:36:12,257 --> 00:36:13,910 I got scared, so I ran. 672 00:36:15,303 --> 00:36:17,218 Went back to the last spot where I saw my family. 673 00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:21,788 After awhile, a police officer came and got me. 674 00:36:25,574 --> 00:36:27,141 I'm gonna show you something. 675 00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:30,840 This video was taken in 1994. 676 00:36:33,452 --> 00:36:34,714 I'm gonna go play. 677 00:36:34,757 --> 00:36:35,932 All right honey, love you. 678 00:36:35,976 --> 00:36:37,107 - Be careful up there. - Love you, Dad. 679 00:36:37,151 --> 00:36:38,021 All right, love you too. 680 00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:38,805 You didn't like 681 00:36:38,848 --> 00:36:39,762 that she didn't stay. 682 00:36:39,806 --> 00:36:40,676 I don't think I do. 683 00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:43,157 Look how far she's running in her boots. 684 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,114 Oh my goodness, honey. 685 00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:45,028 Birthday boots. 686 00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:46,204 - She's fast. - Whoops. 687 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,207 Yeah, yes. 688 00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:53,036 That's exactly what happened. 689 00:36:56,866 --> 00:36:58,694 Her name is Sarah Winston. 690 00:36:58,738 --> 00:37:00,479 Okay. 691 00:37:00,522 --> 00:37:02,002 Daniel, she's still missing. 692 00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:03,569 Nothing was ever found except 693 00:37:03,612 --> 00:37:04,831 for that pink and white hair bow 694 00:37:04,874 --> 00:37:07,225 that you can see in the recording. 695 00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:10,010 That same hair bow was found 10 years later, 696 00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:11,229 floating in a pond that was built 697 00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:13,013 on the site of her disappearance. 698 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:24,285 - So, Dwight is out there marking a location 699 00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:27,636 where the Lopez's were working, 700 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,511 and we're about 20 steps from the old barn, 701 00:37:32,554 --> 00:37:34,382 which would put Daniel right here. 702 00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:36,906 Hey, how's it goin' out there? 703 00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:40,867 - Well, based on Daniel's account, 704 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,261 this is the spot where the family disappeared. 705 00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:46,786 The family was gathering supplies right here 706 00:37:46,829 --> 00:37:50,311 where I'm standing and guy's, 707 00:37:50,355 --> 00:37:51,921 looking around I don't see any obstacles 708 00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:55,273 or anything that you can hop on. 709 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:57,884 So, how fast do you think it would take to get 710 00:37:57,927 --> 00:38:00,234 to the tree line right behind you? 711 00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:03,237 - Well, I mean, if you were running really fast, 712 00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:04,456 maybe 20, 30 seconds. 713 00:38:06,196 --> 00:38:07,894 So, if Daniel looked down for a second 714 00:38:07,937 --> 00:38:11,071 they could have easily ran towards those trees. 715 00:38:11,114 --> 00:38:13,421 - I mean, it's possible, but there are plenty 716 00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:15,641 of easier ways of abandoning your kid than just waiting 717 00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:18,296 for him to look down and then running to some trees. 718 00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:20,950 Yeah, he's right. 719 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:26,478 Emily disappeared here. 720 00:38:27,957 --> 00:38:31,700 - And Lopez's over there up that ridge about 100 yards. 721 00:38:33,006 --> 00:38:36,879 - Yeah, and then Sarah Winston disappeared 722 00:38:36,923 --> 00:38:38,490 over this region, near the pond. 723 00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:41,928 We're talkin' three different disappearances, 724 00:38:41,971 --> 00:38:43,625 all on the same property. 725 00:39:38,854 --> 00:39:39,986 To get a better idea 726 00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:42,684 of the geological layout of Howard's Mill, 727 00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:45,295 we visited the Robertson County Archives. 728 00:39:52,041 --> 00:39:55,088 - We've got all their names on the back side. 729 00:39:55,131 --> 00:39:56,916 - Okay. - Yes. 730 00:39:56,959 --> 00:40:01,964 Okay, so Howard's Mill should be there. 731 00:40:04,532 --> 00:40:05,968 Wow. 732 00:40:06,012 --> 00:40:10,843 - So that bounds up to Highway 11 and mile marker 42. 733 00:40:13,715 --> 00:40:15,500 Hm, that is really interesting. 734 00:40:15,543 --> 00:40:18,111 You notice it's a triangular piece of property. 735 00:40:18,154 --> 00:40:20,461 You seldom ever find triangular pieces 736 00:40:20,505 --> 00:40:23,377 of property like that one anymore. 737 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:24,465 Yeah, I see that. 738 00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:25,466 Are there any other properties 739 00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:27,903 like that here in Springfield? 740 00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:28,687 I doubt it. 741 00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:35,868 - Originally, it was Pickett's Mill. 742 00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:37,391 It was named after John Pickett 743 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:38,479 who was the man who built it. 744 00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:39,480 John was born in Virginia 745 00:40:39,524 --> 00:40:43,266 and he and Thomas Kilgore 746 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:46,444 established Cross Plains, Tennessee near the Red River. 747 00:40:46,487 --> 00:40:51,405 About three years after that, John and his wife, Hannah, 748 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:54,452 moved three miles to the east and built the mill. 749 00:40:54,495 --> 00:40:57,498 In 1971, the Howard's came into town 750 00:40:57,542 --> 00:41:00,066 from St. Louis and they bought 751 00:41:00,109 --> 00:41:02,895 the mill from one Marty Lewis. 752 00:41:02,938 --> 00:41:04,984 That's L-E-W-I-S Lewis. 753 00:41:05,027 --> 00:41:10,032 And she was a direct descendant of the Pickett family. 754 00:41:11,207 --> 00:41:12,426 Are you aware of any disappearances 755 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,472 that have happened on the property? 756 00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:16,517 You mean, Grant Pickett? 757 00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:20,913 Grant Pickett vanished in plain sight of his family. 758 00:41:20,956 --> 00:41:24,351 Story goes that he was working in his field 759 00:41:24,394 --> 00:41:27,702 and his son who was climbing a tree fell out 760 00:41:27,746 --> 00:41:30,749 of the tree and broke his arm and he started screaming. 761 00:41:30,792 --> 00:41:34,883 So, Grant goes running toward his son and his wife, Mary, 762 00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:37,059 who was in the house, goes running as well. 763 00:41:37,103 --> 00:41:38,496 Mary is closer. 764 00:41:38,539 --> 00:41:41,368 She gets to the boy first and as Grant Pickett 765 00:41:41,411 --> 00:41:46,068 is running toward his wife and screaming child, he vanished. 766 00:41:47,461 --> 00:41:48,549 Never heard from again. 767 00:41:49,768 --> 00:41:50,638 Do you believe this story? 768 00:41:56,426 --> 00:41:59,168 - So this book should contain the current deed 769 00:42:00,735 --> 00:42:02,389 for Ms. Rebecca Howard. 770 00:42:03,346 --> 00:42:04,913 All right, here we go. 771 00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:08,438 So, it is currently Rebecca Howard's property 772 00:42:08,482 --> 00:42:10,092 to do with her as she places. 773 00:42:10,136 --> 00:42:13,792 Now, I've heard a rumor that Ms. Rebecca wrote a will 774 00:42:13,835 --> 00:42:16,185 and that it says that she's given 775 00:42:16,229 --> 00:42:18,884 this land to the city at her death. 776 00:42:18,927 --> 00:42:21,626 - So, the city has no jurisdiction over the land? 777 00:42:21,669 --> 00:42:24,803 - That is owned by Rebecca Howard, period. 778 00:42:44,866 --> 00:42:45,650 You got it? 779 00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:46,520 Good. 780 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:47,434 Heck yeah. 781 00:42:47,477 --> 00:42:48,391 All right, thank you. 782 00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:57,575 Got something here. 783 00:42:57,618 --> 00:42:58,663 Be careful. 784 00:42:58,706 --> 00:42:59,751 - A lot of glass. - What is that? 785 00:42:59,794 --> 00:43:00,665 Yeah. 786 00:43:00,708 --> 00:43:02,057 It's the Howards. 787 00:43:09,369 --> 00:43:10,500 You guys see this door? 788 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:13,765 It locks from the outside. 789 00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,208 We've got some kids' clothes over here. 790 00:43:22,251 --> 00:43:25,254 I thought the Howard's didn't have any kids. 791 00:43:25,298 --> 00:43:27,343 - I thought they didn't have any kids either. 792 00:43:33,654 --> 00:43:37,789 Again, here we are. 793 00:43:37,832 --> 00:43:39,225 Same thing. 794 00:43:39,268 --> 00:43:41,619 Lock is on the outside of the door. 795 00:43:46,275 --> 00:43:47,886 Oh, God, it's a door. 796 00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:06,339 Gives me the creeps. 797 00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:29,623 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 798 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:30,450 I got somethin'. 799 00:44:30,493 --> 00:44:31,669 What? 800 00:44:35,411 --> 00:44:36,456 What is this? 801 00:44:38,197 --> 00:44:39,111 A box? 802 00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:45,334 It's like a music box. 803 00:44:47,597 --> 00:44:49,121 Then I've got a box here. 804 00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,085 Wait, wait, I got somethin'. 805 00:45:00,349 --> 00:45:03,091 - Pictures. - It's pictures. 806 00:45:03,135 --> 00:45:05,659 It's a little girl 807 00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,139 Who is she? 808 00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:08,096 I don't know. 809 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:25,200 I thought the Howard's didn't have any kids? 810 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,337 I thought they didn't have any kids either. 811 00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:35,384 - I don't remember the Howard's having any kids. 812 00:45:38,387 --> 00:45:43,392 - Yeah, I think they did have some kids, a boy I believe. 813 00:45:44,872 --> 00:45:48,615 But again, they had a lot of farm hands over there. 814 00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:51,313 So, it could've been one of them. 815 00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:55,404 - I can remember one time my old truck broke down 816 00:45:55,448 --> 00:45:57,406 out close to their farm, 817 00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:59,713 and they were nice and kind enough 818 00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:01,584 to let me use their phone 819 00:46:01,628 --> 00:46:03,543 and I think I remember a girl 820 00:46:03,586 --> 00:46:04,849 bein' there but I don't recall 821 00:46:04,892 --> 00:46:07,765 them ever mentionin' her name or anything. 822 00:46:07,808 --> 00:46:10,506 Like I said, that was back in the '70s. 823 00:46:12,508 --> 00:46:13,945 - I know I wasn't, I wasn't able to find 824 00:46:13,988 --> 00:46:16,164 any records that the Howard's had a baby. 825 00:46:16,208 --> 00:46:17,557 Given this is a rural area, 826 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,950 it's pretty common that a lot of people 827 00:46:18,993 --> 00:46:20,778 had children at home. 828 00:46:24,259 --> 00:46:26,827 After trying to reach Rebecca Howard by Phone, 829 00:46:26,871 --> 00:46:28,046 we decided to make the drive 830 00:46:28,089 --> 00:46:29,569 to St. Louis to see her in person. 831 00:46:33,965 --> 00:46:36,271 - So, the Howard's had a kid also went missin', 832 00:46:36,315 --> 00:46:38,404 or at least nobody can find him. 833 00:46:38,447 --> 00:46:39,797 So, what does that mean? 834 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,018 - I don't know what that means for Emily yet, 835 00:46:44,062 --> 00:46:46,629 but between Sarah, the Lopez's and this, 836 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,807 it makes me wonder how big this thing can get. 837 00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:01,601 After the Lopez incident, 838 00:47:02,732 --> 00:47:04,473 the house didn't feel like home anymore. 839 00:47:04,517 --> 00:47:07,476 It felt cold, soulless. 840 00:47:09,957 --> 00:47:13,439 I started feelin' like people were watchin' me. 841 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:18,270 There's been a recurrent theme 842 00:47:18,313 --> 00:47:20,794 in a lot of the sightings in the area 843 00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:24,580 from people who really have no contact with one another 844 00:47:24,624 --> 00:47:29,629 and that is of these tall, slender figures who are watching. 845 00:47:30,499 --> 00:47:31,936 They call 'em the Watchers. 846 00:47:31,979 --> 00:47:34,852 People have seen them on the perimeter of their fields. 847 00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:38,159 People have seen them in their barns, in the haylofts. 848 00:47:39,334 --> 00:47:42,120 - They were all lined up on the horizon. 849 00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:53,435 I called Glynis a miracle. 850 00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:58,397 We tried for 15 years, prayed. 851 00:47:59,877 --> 00:48:03,402 I was nearly 40 when I found out I was expecting. 852 00:48:07,536 --> 00:48:10,365 She was playin' like she always was. 853 00:48:11,976 --> 00:48:14,021 I went down to tell her supper was ready. 854 00:48:15,414 --> 00:48:17,111 It seemed like she was talkin' to someone 855 00:48:17,155 --> 00:48:19,592 but there wasn't anyone there. 856 00:48:21,637 --> 00:48:25,163 Just before I got to her, the lights went out. 857 00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:31,169 But then there was this sort of different light. 858 00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:36,261 I yelled for her. 859 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,704 They were tellin' me to leave, 860 00:48:46,358 --> 00:48:49,578 like that land was theirs, not mind. 861 00:48:52,103 --> 00:48:56,455 I thought if I did what they said, 862 00:48:56,498 --> 00:48:58,022 they'd bring her back to me. 863 00:49:04,376 --> 00:49:06,856 So in 1988, a young girl was found wandering 864 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:08,554 outside the Howard's property. 865 00:49:08,597 --> 00:49:10,077 Right. 866 00:49:10,121 --> 00:49:11,992 She was claiming that she was Glynis Howard. 867 00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:13,037 Do you remember that case? 868 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,299 I remember the case. 869 00:49:14,342 --> 00:49:16,605 Now, it wasn't my case, but I do remember it. 870 00:49:16,649 --> 00:49:18,825 It was pretty standard, really. 871 00:49:18,868 --> 00:49:20,740 A missing girl. 872 00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:24,048 It's a shame though, nobody came claimin' her. 873 00:49:34,362 --> 00:49:36,190 - No one here now was here back then 874 00:49:36,234 --> 00:49:40,325 but I was able to find a little info for you. 875 00:49:40,368 --> 00:49:43,719 We have anywhere from 10 to 15 kids here at a time. 876 00:49:43,763 --> 00:49:47,985 Glynis was here for two months. 877 00:49:49,551 --> 00:49:53,860 She came with a kind of a sad story back in 1988. 878 00:49:53,903 --> 00:49:55,818 Didn't know much about herself 879 00:49:55,862 --> 00:49:58,996 and our records show she didn't talk much. 880 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,260 Someone found her walkin' down the road barefoot 881 00:50:02,303 --> 00:50:07,308 and nobody had reported any missing children at the time 882 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,137 and nobody came forward to claim her 883 00:50:10,181 --> 00:50:13,010 and she did say her name was Glynis Howard. 884 00:50:14,098 --> 00:50:15,925 - We checked out the Howard's house. 885 00:50:15,969 --> 00:50:17,101 It was about a mile 886 00:50:17,144 --> 00:50:18,624 from where the girl was picked up at there, 887 00:50:18,667 --> 00:50:20,713 and they hadn't been there, 888 00:50:20,756 --> 00:50:22,802 I guess probably 10 years at that point. 889 00:50:22,845 --> 00:50:27,459 So, I mean, it's common enough, last name Howard, but no. 890 00:50:29,287 --> 00:50:31,854 Oh, yeah. 891 00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:33,204 Yeah, I remember that. 892 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,642 Real sad story. 893 00:50:36,685 --> 00:50:40,950 Got a call about a kid walking down the street alone, 894 00:50:40,994 --> 00:50:43,736 pulled up in my car, checked her out. 895 00:50:43,779 --> 00:50:47,783 She was in really bad shape, barefoot, unkempt hair, 896 00:50:47,827 --> 00:50:49,742 looked like she hadn't eaten in a week. 897 00:50:51,091 --> 00:50:52,310 Do you know if she was related 898 00:50:52,353 --> 00:50:53,833 to anybody in town? 899 00:50:53,876 --> 00:50:54,790 Nothing. 900 00:50:54,834 --> 00:50:56,749 Nobody reported anybody missing. 901 00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,882 Not much more I could do beyond that. 902 00:51:01,362 --> 00:51:03,886 - The last time we heard anything about Glynis, 903 00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:07,107 she had been placed with a good foster family 904 00:51:07,151 --> 00:51:09,544 and they decided to give her a permanent home. 905 00:51:09,588 --> 00:51:12,243 This story had a very happy ending. 906 00:51:14,593 --> 00:51:15,855 Well, I only can give 907 00:51:15,898 --> 00:51:18,553 you what's non-confidential information. 908 00:51:18,597 --> 00:51:22,340 She was in our care facility for a short amount of time 909 00:51:22,383 --> 00:51:23,602 and then she was placed 910 00:51:23,645 --> 00:51:25,908 with a foster family by the name of Lasseter. 911 00:51:27,562 --> 00:51:29,608 Okay, here's what we know. 912 00:51:29,651 --> 00:51:33,699 In 1979, the Howard's left Springfield 913 00:51:33,742 --> 00:51:35,657 and according to everyone who remembers, 914 00:51:35,701 --> 00:51:37,398 that house remained empty ever since. 915 00:51:37,442 --> 00:51:40,619 Then in 1988 this little girl shows up claimin' 916 00:51:40,662 --> 00:51:41,881 her last name is Howard, 917 00:51:41,924 --> 00:51:43,535 but the Howard's didn't have any kids. 918 00:51:43,578 --> 00:51:46,059 And if they did have a daughter, she would have to be what? 919 00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,192 11, 12 years old by 1988. 920 00:51:48,235 --> 00:51:49,932 So, the dates just don't add up. 921 00:51:49,976 --> 00:51:53,066 I mean, if this really is the Howard's daughter. 922 00:51:53,110 --> 00:51:55,938 - I say we find her, ask her some more questions. 923 00:51:56,896 --> 00:51:57,940 Hi. 924 00:52:01,205 --> 00:52:02,380 Look at mommy! 925 00:52:02,423 --> 00:52:04,208 Behave like a little lady. 926 00:52:04,251 --> 00:52:06,340 You are six years old. 927 00:52:06,384 --> 00:52:07,907 Stop jumping on that couch. 928 00:52:10,214 --> 00:52:12,912 So, how was she as a child? 929 00:52:12,955 --> 00:52:15,175 - Oh, she was very special child. 930 00:52:15,219 --> 00:52:18,091 Yeah, smart, funny. 931 00:52:18,135 --> 00:52:19,745 You couldn't ask for a better daughter. 932 00:52:19,788 --> 00:52:24,141 Sweet, sweet as could be, but we knew right away. 933 00:52:24,184 --> 00:52:26,969 We just knew that we were meant to be a family. 934 00:52:27,013 --> 00:52:28,710 That's all I can tell you. 935 00:52:28,754 --> 00:52:29,581 1989. 936 00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:34,238 And that's whose birthday? 937 00:52:34,281 --> 00:52:35,108 Mine. 938 00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:36,588 Yours? 939 00:52:36,631 --> 00:52:37,806 Is it your birthday? 940 00:52:39,068 --> 00:52:39,895 Huh? 941 00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:41,897 Wow. 942 00:52:41,941 --> 00:52:43,334 What have you been doing today? 943 00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:49,601 If you don't mind for the camera, 944 00:52:49,644 --> 00:52:52,647 would you tell us your full first name and last name? 945 00:52:52,691 --> 00:52:54,910 It's Glynis Williams. 946 00:52:54,954 --> 00:52:58,479 Williams is my married name, I got married last summer. 947 00:52:59,741 --> 00:53:01,134 So, tell us a little bit 948 00:53:01,178 --> 00:53:02,483 about your life growin' up. 949 00:53:05,704 --> 00:53:07,227 Well, I'm happy to tell you 950 00:53:07,271 --> 00:53:09,708 the story I told everybody else back then 951 00:53:09,751 --> 00:53:13,364 but I was little was little, 952 00:53:13,407 --> 00:53:14,452 I was really little, though. 953 00:53:14,495 --> 00:53:17,455 So, I think memories can change. 954 00:53:18,978 --> 00:53:19,805 But, 955 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,421 I was playing inside. 956 00:53:28,466 --> 00:53:30,685 I mostly only played inside, 957 00:53:30,729 --> 00:53:34,298 and somehow I ran out. 958 00:53:34,341 --> 00:53:35,995 I don't know if I was chasing something or... 959 00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:39,477 It's not really clear but I got all turned around 960 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,653 and I couldn't find my way back. 961 00:53:41,696 --> 00:53:45,091 Now it kind of feels like a dream, 962 00:53:45,134 --> 00:53:48,486 like pieces don't really fit, 963 00:53:48,529 --> 00:53:51,663 but you swear it was real. 964 00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:53,012 Swear it really happened. 965 00:53:54,274 --> 00:53:55,057 And, 966 00:53:58,191 --> 00:53:59,714 yeah, I must've walked for, 967 00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:02,326 I walked for a really long time 968 00:54:02,369 --> 00:54:04,328 and then I think someone drove by 969 00:54:04,371 --> 00:54:06,068 and they called the police. 970 00:54:07,722 --> 00:54:08,897 Glynis, do you remember why 971 00:54:08,941 --> 00:54:09,855 you said your last name was Howard? 972 00:54:09,898 --> 00:54:12,161 I thought it was. 973 00:54:12,205 --> 00:54:13,032 I thought it was. 974 00:54:15,382 --> 00:54:16,296 Even now when I hear it, 975 00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:19,560 it still sounds like my name. 976 00:54:20,909 --> 00:54:21,693 Feels natural? 977 00:54:21,736 --> 00:54:22,563 Yeah. 978 00:54:24,696 --> 00:54:26,567 Do you remember your parents? 979 00:54:29,396 --> 00:54:30,310 No, not really. 980 00:54:30,354 --> 00:54:33,357 I remember my dad. 981 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,923 I remember my dad a little bit. 982 00:54:39,406 --> 00:54:41,843 And people told me about the real Howard family, 983 00:54:45,412 --> 00:54:47,588 started to talk to me about it and told me 984 00:54:47,632 --> 00:54:50,112 that there was no way I could be their kid. 985 00:54:50,156 --> 00:54:51,375 That even if they had a kid, 986 00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:53,072 it was impossible I could even be theirs 987 00:54:53,115 --> 00:54:55,509 because of my age and the time they lived in the house, 988 00:54:55,553 --> 00:54:57,032 timelines and stuff. 989 00:54:57,076 --> 00:54:58,469 And it just, nothing that would make sense to me, 990 00:54:58,512 --> 00:55:00,079 a little kid. 991 00:55:00,122 --> 00:55:04,649 A big, big part of me always felt like I was Glynis Howard. 992 00:55:05,824 --> 00:55:09,523 And so, when I was 16 I actually looked up 993 00:55:09,567 --> 00:55:11,569 the real Howard family, called 'em up. 994 00:55:11,612 --> 00:55:13,875 And I thought if we could see each other 995 00:55:13,919 --> 00:55:15,399 it would clear everything up. 996 00:55:15,442 --> 00:55:17,052 - You know? - Yeah. 997 00:55:17,096 --> 00:55:21,230 - People would believe me, but I was wrong. 998 00:55:22,231 --> 00:55:23,624 I had never seen them before. 999 00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:28,542 I've pretty much given up on that dream. 1000 00:55:30,283 --> 00:55:35,288 I used to have this fantasy that my real parents, 1001 00:55:36,855 --> 00:55:39,727 my birth parents would come back for me. 1002 00:55:42,034 --> 00:55:43,818 Like they didn't abandon me. 1003 00:55:43,862 --> 00:55:46,343 They just, lost in an accident or somethin'. 1004 00:55:51,043 --> 00:55:52,610 I used to have a lot of fantasies back then, 1005 00:55:55,917 --> 00:55:59,443 that I was a princess or a time traveler. 1006 00:56:01,923 --> 00:56:02,707 - Yeah, to makes sense - Right there. 1007 00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:04,404 of all the... 1008 00:56:04,448 --> 00:56:05,449 - Craziness? - Very, very pretty. 1009 00:56:05,492 --> 00:56:06,754 - Yeah, make sense - Okay. 1010 00:56:06,798 --> 00:56:08,321 - of all the missing pieces. - Too close. 1011 00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:10,497 I would just... 1012 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,719 I always wanted to be somethin' special. 1013 00:56:14,762 --> 00:56:15,937 Speakin' of missing pieces, 1014 00:56:15,981 --> 00:56:17,983 I've got somethin' that I wanna show you. 1015 00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:22,988 - Do you- - I know this. 1016 00:56:23,031 --> 00:56:23,945 - You recognize that box? - Yeah. 1017 00:56:23,989 --> 00:56:24,816 I... 1018 00:56:27,732 --> 00:56:29,168 We found that in the Howard's house. 1019 00:56:29,211 --> 00:56:31,083 It was buried with some other things. 1020 00:56:34,782 --> 00:56:36,001 Yeah, I... 1021 00:56:36,044 --> 00:56:38,046 This was, I remember this. 1022 00:56:39,265 --> 00:56:42,181 I think you wind it on the bottom here. 1023 00:56:43,574 --> 00:56:44,401 Yeah. 1024 00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:51,408 Oh my gosh. 1025 00:56:59,285 --> 00:57:01,026 That's crazy. 1026 00:57:01,069 --> 00:57:01,896 I... 1027 00:57:03,898 --> 00:57:04,899 Yeah, this was... 1028 00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:12,559 This was mine. 1029 00:57:18,739 --> 00:57:21,394 Why would they bury all of her things here? 1030 00:57:24,571 --> 00:57:25,790 I don't know. 1031 00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:27,008 What do you think? 1032 00:57:27,052 --> 00:57:28,401 I don't know. 1033 00:57:33,885 --> 00:57:37,018 Is she really a lost child of the Howard's? 1034 00:57:37,062 --> 00:57:39,412 As intriguing as that theory sounds, 1035 00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:42,633 we needed to focus on the more plausible explanations. 1036 00:57:42,676 --> 00:57:44,504 Have fun on your big day. 1037 00:57:44,548 --> 00:57:46,245 Happy birthday. 1038 00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:47,725 Who, me? 1039 00:57:48,943 --> 00:57:50,336 During our investigation, 1040 00:57:50,379 --> 00:57:52,469 Dwight was called back in for questioning, 1041 00:57:52,512 --> 00:57:55,472 as more evidence of his possible involvement was discovered. 1042 00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:58,300 Do you know this man? 1043 00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:02,391 I don't believe so. 1044 00:58:02,435 --> 00:58:03,784 Edward Baker. 1045 00:58:05,612 --> 00:58:06,570 Yeah, yeah. 1046 00:58:07,788 --> 00:58:09,094 Sure, I'm sorry, yeah. 1047 00:58:09,137 --> 00:58:11,575 - Were you aware that your wife knew him? 1048 00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:14,708 - Yeah, they would hustle together. 1049 00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:18,712 Edward Baker was born 1050 00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:20,932 and raised in Springfield, Tennessee, 1051 00:58:20,975 --> 00:58:23,064 and was a close childhood friend of Emily 1052 00:58:23,108 --> 00:58:24,631 and their friendship turned into something more 1053 00:58:24,675 --> 00:58:26,677 when they dated throughout high school. 1054 00:58:29,157 --> 00:58:30,681 They were sweet together. 1055 00:58:30,724 --> 00:58:32,944 I thought they were the perfect pair. 1056 00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:34,598 They seemed pretty cute. 1057 00:58:34,641 --> 00:58:38,950 Very flirtatious around each other, high school sweetheart. 1058 00:58:38,993 --> 00:58:41,518 - Eddie was two years ahead of us. 1059 00:58:41,561 --> 00:58:43,171 Yeah, they were always together. 1060 00:58:45,609 --> 00:58:50,614 - When she went off to college, they broke up unfortunately. 1061 00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:52,964 They tried the long distance relationship, 1062 00:58:53,007 --> 00:58:54,313 but it just didn't work out. 1063 00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:55,575 So, when she came back here, 1064 00:58:55,619 --> 00:58:57,534 they started hanging out again? 1065 00:58:57,577 --> 00:58:59,144 - Yeah, I mean, he worked a few blocks away 1066 00:58:59,187 --> 00:59:02,147 in this office building over here down on Eighth 1067 00:59:02,190 --> 00:59:05,933 and he'd come by for lunch or just to visit. 1068 00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:09,981 - When Emily moved back to take care of her mom, 1069 00:59:10,024 --> 00:59:13,201 of course Edward came around and we hung out with everybody. 1070 00:59:13,245 --> 00:59:15,203 So, it wasn't unusual for him to be around. 1071 00:59:15,247 --> 00:59:16,814 - They still hang out time to time. 1072 00:59:16,857 --> 00:59:18,337 I'm not sure if Dwight knows about it, 1073 00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:20,339 but I mean, it's just a friendship. 1074 00:59:20,382 --> 00:59:23,516 Everybody knows that. 1075 00:59:24,822 --> 00:59:26,127 Dwight's not really a fan of Eddie. 1076 00:59:26,171 --> 00:59:28,521 I mean, can you blame him? 1077 00:59:28,565 --> 00:59:31,089 - Dwight just like, really did not like 1078 00:59:31,132 --> 00:59:33,395 that Edward was comin' around 1079 00:59:33,439 --> 00:59:35,223 and I think he kind of let that be known. 1080 00:59:37,791 --> 00:59:39,227 You wanna start right now? 1081 00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:42,579 No, no, no, no, no, no. 1082 00:59:42,622 --> 00:59:44,668 Let's at least get home first. 1083 00:59:48,106 --> 00:59:52,589 - Were you aware of Edward and your wife's history? 1084 01:00:03,121 --> 01:00:06,385 - Mr. Baker came forward yesterday. 1085 01:00:06,428 --> 01:00:09,518 He was a little worried, feelin' guilty. 1086 01:00:09,562 --> 01:00:10,781 Thought that this information 1087 01:00:10,824 --> 01:00:12,783 might help our investigation a little bit. 1088 01:00:16,308 --> 01:00:17,526 Emily, what the hell 1089 01:00:17,570 --> 01:00:18,658 is wrong with y'all? 1090 01:00:18,702 --> 01:00:19,877 You knew that 1091 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,921 when you moved here. 1092 01:00:20,965 --> 01:00:21,879 - you tell me about him? - You knew. 1093 01:00:21,922 --> 01:00:24,621 Mr. Nixon, I don't have a body 1094 01:00:24,664 --> 01:00:26,927 and I don't have a murder weapon 1095 01:00:26,971 --> 01:00:31,105 but what I do have is a motive. 1096 01:00:34,282 --> 01:00:36,720 ♪ Remember the free 1097 01:00:36,763 --> 01:00:41,768 ♪ Remember to hold your head high ♪ 1098 01:00:43,683 --> 01:00:46,686 ♪ Remember to smile some 1099 01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:51,648 ♪ And just listen awhile 1100 01:00:53,301 --> 01:00:55,869 ♪ Practiced enough, yeah 1101 01:00:55,913 --> 01:00:59,438 ♪ That's what I told myself 1102 01:00:59,481 --> 01:01:00,265 Look at us. 1103 01:01:00,308 --> 01:01:01,048 Mm hm. 1104 01:01:01,092 --> 01:01:02,267 Play with you. 1105 01:01:02,310 --> 01:01:05,270 ♪ Nervously asked you your name ♪ 1106 01:01:05,313 --> 01:01:10,318 ♪ And that's when the world seemed to stop ♪ 1107 01:01:11,493 --> 01:01:15,019 ♪ And I'd died when you looked up like that ♪ 1108 01:01:15,062 --> 01:01:17,369 ♪ Took my breath away 1109 01:01:17,412 --> 01:01:19,850 ♪ Knocked me flat on my back 1110 01:01:19,893 --> 01:01:22,069 ♪ I knew right then and there 1111 01:01:22,113 --> 01:01:24,898 ♪ In that first second stare 1112 01:01:24,942 --> 01:01:29,773 ♪ It would be awhile 1113 01:01:29,816 --> 01:01:34,342 ♪ And everything falls out of focus ♪ 1114 01:01:34,386 --> 01:01:37,128 ♪ You walked through the door 1115 01:01:37,171 --> 01:01:41,698 ♪ And one thing that's clear to me helplessly hopeless ♪ 1116 01:01:41,741 --> 01:01:46,659 ♪ I'm all right with that in a room full of people ♪ 1117 01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:50,445 ♪ Everything else disappears 1118 01:01:54,145 --> 01:01:57,148 We need to keep our focus on Wayne Ritchie. 1119 01:01:57,191 --> 01:01:59,672 Wayne practically grew up on the land, 1120 01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:01,369 and his house is nearby. 1121 01:02:01,413 --> 01:02:04,198 I've been lookin' at the city history, 1122 01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:06,810 old maps and things like that. 1123 01:02:07,985 --> 01:02:11,205 So, what I'm wonderin' is if this entrance 1124 01:02:11,249 --> 01:02:14,469 or this cave actually right here near Wayne's house 1125 01:02:14,513 --> 01:02:17,429 runs towards the Howard's land, or maybe even underneath. 1126 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,258 We need to check this out and see 1127 01:02:20,301 --> 01:02:23,000 if we can find any tunnels or anything like that 1128 01:02:23,043 --> 01:02:26,351 that maybe some of these people could have just fallen into. 1129 01:02:30,659 --> 01:02:32,357 - We headed out to find the cave, 1130 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,186 and see if it could answer some of our questions. 1131 01:02:35,229 --> 01:02:37,754 Not knowing the exact location of the cave, 1132 01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:40,844 we decided to split up to cover more ground. 1133 01:02:40,887 --> 01:02:43,368 Charlie and I headed directly east, 1134 01:02:43,411 --> 01:02:45,109 while Dwight headed northeast. 1135 01:02:47,938 --> 01:02:48,765 Here you go. 1136 01:02:54,945 --> 01:02:56,033 Dwight, do you copy? 1137 01:02:59,210 --> 01:03:01,865 Yes, go ahead. 1138 01:03:01,908 --> 01:03:02,866 Just testing the range. 1139 01:03:02,909 --> 01:03:03,910 Do you see anything? 1140 01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:09,307 No, nothing yet. 1141 01:03:09,350 --> 01:03:10,177 You guys? 1142 01:03:13,224 --> 01:03:14,051 Just woods. 1143 01:03:28,761 --> 01:03:30,807 Charlie, come here! 1144 01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:31,895 I found it! 1145 01:03:31,938 --> 01:03:32,765 Seriously? 1146 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:33,592 Yes! 1147 01:03:33,635 --> 01:03:34,549 It's gotta be it. 1148 01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:35,333 It's the only cave we've seen. 1149 01:03:35,376 --> 01:03:36,247 Come on, come on. 1150 01:03:36,290 --> 01:03:37,291 Dwight, do you copy? 1151 01:03:39,946 --> 01:03:40,817 Dwight? 1152 01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:43,907 He's probably out of range. 1153 01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:47,954 It probably goes down 20 feet, it's narrow. 1154 01:03:47,998 --> 01:03:50,783 Okay, I don't wanna risk the camera. 1155 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:52,480 I guess I'll shoot on my phone. 1156 01:03:52,524 --> 01:03:53,699 Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1157 01:03:53,742 --> 01:03:54,569 - let's do that. - Okay, let's go. 1158 01:03:54,613 --> 01:03:55,875 Okay. 1159 01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:56,876 Charlie, how you doin'? 1160 01:03:59,009 --> 01:03:59,923 All right, be careful. 1161 01:04:23,816 --> 01:04:25,513 Oo! 1162 01:05:25,747 --> 01:05:26,966 All right, you guys okay? 1163 01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:28,098 Yeah, we're good. 1164 01:05:28,141 --> 01:05:28,925 - You okay? - Yeah, I'm good. 1165 01:05:28,968 --> 01:05:30,665 Did you find anything? 1166 01:05:30,709 --> 01:05:32,406 - Well, we didn't make it too far in 1167 01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:33,886 before we hit a blocked part 1168 01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:36,715 but it looks like it might be a cave-in, though. 1169 01:05:36,758 --> 01:05:39,500 The rocks are wet, water ran down the walls. 1170 01:05:39,544 --> 01:05:42,068 - So maybe the cave was under the pond? 1171 01:05:46,072 --> 01:05:49,336 After exploring the cave, I think at one time 1172 01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:51,948 the cave extended past the area, which is now a pond. 1173 01:05:51,991 --> 01:05:53,471 Take a look at this. 1174 01:05:53,514 --> 01:05:56,735 Here's the cave and here's where Sarah Winston disappeared, 1175 01:05:56,778 --> 01:05:59,781 in the same spot where the pond was built six years later. 1176 01:05:59,825 --> 01:06:02,306 Emily's metal detector ring where we found it, 1177 01:06:02,349 --> 01:06:04,264 this is where the Lopez's disappeared. 1178 01:06:04,308 --> 01:06:05,744 The Howard's house. 1179 01:06:05,787 --> 01:06:07,615 It's all one line. 1180 01:06:07,659 --> 01:06:09,878 So, if the cave does run underneath all these spots, 1181 01:06:09,922 --> 01:06:11,010 this could all be connected. 1182 01:06:14,231 --> 01:06:17,451 - There are caves everywhere in Robertson County 1183 01:06:17,495 --> 01:06:21,020 and we are told that they are all connected. 1184 01:06:21,064 --> 01:06:23,980 And at Cross Plains you have Kilgore Cave 1185 01:06:24,023 --> 01:06:27,157 where Thomas Kilgore, the first white person 1186 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,941 in Robertson County spent 1187 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:31,857 the winter hiding from the Indians. 1188 01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,903 Our historical society had our annual picnic there 1189 01:06:34,947 --> 01:06:37,080 about two weeks ago. 1190 01:06:37,123 --> 01:06:38,472 If we could get a better understanding 1191 01:06:38,516 --> 01:06:40,257 of what's below the property, 1192 01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:43,086 it could help us get answers about the disappearances. 1193 01:06:43,129 --> 01:06:45,566 The Vietcong had networks 1194 01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:48,395 of tunnels that they used during the Vietnam War. 1195 01:06:48,439 --> 01:06:51,790 They could come up through one of these openings, 1196 01:06:51,833 --> 01:06:53,792 they could snatch someone out of the platoon 1197 01:06:53,835 --> 01:06:57,100 down into the tunnel, seal up the hatch, 1198 01:06:57,143 --> 01:06:58,927 and nobody would know what's going on. 1199 01:06:58,971 --> 01:07:00,799 They'd be like, "Where's Joe?" 1200 01:07:00,842 --> 01:07:02,627 Well, Joe's down in the bowels 1201 01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:04,020 of the earth somewhere. 1202 01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:12,158 - Right now they're gonna be runnin' 1203 01:07:12,202 --> 01:07:14,552 some ground penetrating radar over the top of the site. 1204 01:07:14,595 --> 01:07:16,641 They'll lay out a grid pattern first and literally, 1205 01:07:16,684 --> 01:07:17,903 it'll map out every inch, 1206 01:07:17,946 --> 01:07:20,471 it'll penetrate just like a water saw does. 1207 01:07:20,514 --> 01:07:22,299 So if we had any ground that's been disturbed recently 1208 01:07:22,342 --> 01:07:25,041 or any type of cave system underneath us, 1209 01:07:25,084 --> 01:07:26,390 it'll pick that up as well. 1210 01:07:26,433 --> 01:07:28,392 Once they identify a cave or a cavern, 1211 01:07:28,435 --> 01:07:31,264 we'll be able to identify whether it does connect 1212 01:07:31,308 --> 01:07:34,137 to any other systems on the property, includin' the pond. 1213 01:07:35,921 --> 01:07:37,488 One, two, three. 1214 01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:39,707 There you go. 1215 01:07:45,191 --> 01:07:47,367 - We're looking at the site scanning sonar, 1216 01:07:47,411 --> 01:07:49,630 which is directly underneath the boat, 1217 01:07:49,674 --> 01:07:52,111 penetrates all the way down to the bottom of the lake. 1218 01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:53,591 Okay, so if there's a body, 1219 01:07:53,634 --> 01:07:56,289 it should appear like a white blob or a white- 1220 01:07:56,333 --> 01:07:57,508 Yes, on either screen here, 1221 01:07:57,551 --> 01:07:59,684 it'll come up either white or kinda grayish. 1222 01:07:59,727 --> 01:08:01,251 It'll pick up anything that might've fallen 1223 01:08:01,294 --> 01:08:02,904 into the lake accidentally and maybe drowned, 1224 01:08:02,948 --> 01:08:04,341 such as an animal. 1225 01:08:04,384 --> 01:08:06,125 So, we don't wanna put a diver down on somethin' 1226 01:08:06,169 --> 01:08:07,431 that's not truly human remains. 1227 01:08:07,474 --> 01:08:08,606 As you come up here if you look at that 1228 01:08:08,649 --> 01:08:10,390 where the boat is right now, 1229 01:08:10,434 --> 01:08:11,913 directly underneath there, 1230 01:08:11,957 --> 01:08:15,221 you can see a black kind of indentation to the red U, 1231 01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:18,224 and that's an indication that there is an opening there. 1232 01:08:18,268 --> 01:08:21,053 - By opening deep, do you mean like a cave or- 1233 01:08:21,097 --> 01:08:22,228 - It can be a cave or it could be 1234 01:08:22,272 --> 01:08:23,273 just a really big depression 1235 01:08:23,316 --> 01:08:24,448 in the bottom of the lake 1236 01:08:24,491 --> 01:08:26,580 but that would appear to be a cave. 1237 01:08:26,624 --> 01:08:27,886 It's goin' that northerly direction, 1238 01:08:27,929 --> 01:08:30,976 almost directly where the boat is right now. 1239 01:08:31,019 --> 01:08:32,543 - So, in the same direction as the house? 1240 01:08:32,586 --> 01:08:33,805 Same direction as the house. 1241 01:08:36,938 --> 01:08:38,157 Have you guys ever found a shaft 1242 01:08:38,201 --> 01:08:39,898 that connects to a whole cave system? 1243 01:08:39,941 --> 01:08:41,160 Absolutely. 1244 01:08:41,204 --> 01:08:42,553 And that's most of the time what you do find. 1245 01:08:42,596 --> 01:08:44,685 You'll find a smaller opening that'll lead 1246 01:08:44,729 --> 01:08:47,253 into a bigger cavern or a bigger opening. 1247 01:08:47,297 --> 01:08:49,168 Diving in the shaft is extremely dangerous 1248 01:08:49,212 --> 01:08:51,475 'cause only one diver can go one at a time. 1249 01:08:51,518 --> 01:08:53,259 So, we're gonna take every precaution we can 1250 01:08:53,303 --> 01:08:54,782 to make sure the divers stay safe. 1251 01:08:54,826 --> 01:08:57,524 Which one of you are going down the shaft? 1252 01:08:57,568 --> 01:08:59,047 - T-Roy. 1253 01:08:59,091 --> 01:09:00,875 So, you've done this a few times? 1254 01:09:00,919 --> 01:09:02,094 Yes. 1255 01:09:02,138 --> 01:09:03,269 What's it like down there? 1256 01:09:04,183 --> 01:09:04,966 It's tight. 1257 01:09:09,536 --> 01:09:10,798 So, what we're seein' down 1258 01:09:10,842 --> 01:09:12,844 there right now is low visibility. 1259 01:09:14,672 --> 01:09:15,586 See by the. 1260 01:09:18,980 --> 01:09:19,764 Top side, copy. 1261 01:09:19,807 --> 01:09:20,982 Located the shaft. 1262 01:09:28,773 --> 01:09:29,774 Top side, copy. 1263 01:09:29,817 --> 01:09:31,950 Rock walled, entering the shaft. 1264 01:09:31,993 --> 01:09:33,734 Real good sign that we're in rock walls, 1265 01:09:33,778 --> 01:09:35,780 so this potentially could be a cave system. 1266 01:09:35,823 --> 01:09:37,173 The shaft should connect us down to the bottom. 1267 01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:39,349 This is not the bottom of the lake. 1268 01:09:39,392 --> 01:09:41,655 He's about 10 feet down now. 1269 01:09:58,977 --> 01:10:00,108 - What'd he just say? - Top side, copy. 1270 01:10:00,152 --> 01:10:01,109 We have remains. 1271 01:10:01,153 --> 01:10:02,589 They have remains. 1272 01:10:02,633 --> 01:10:03,808 Start to see a little on the GoPro? 1273 01:10:03,851 --> 01:10:05,288 And you have it here on the sonar. 1274 01:10:05,331 --> 01:10:06,506 You see the difference in that white-ish gray 1275 01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:07,986 we were talkin' about earlier. 1276 01:10:08,029 --> 01:10:09,466 You can start to see the remains right there. 1277 01:10:09,509 --> 01:10:11,424 - We don't know what kind of remains though, right? 1278 01:10:11,468 --> 01:10:13,470 - We don't know until he can physically 1279 01:10:13,513 --> 01:10:15,559 and visually get up on top of it. 1280 01:10:23,871 --> 01:10:25,046 Top side, copy. 1281 01:10:25,090 --> 01:10:26,700 Human remains, floatin' the buoy. 1282 01:10:35,492 --> 01:10:37,015 This is Susanna Connor reporting 1283 01:10:37,058 --> 01:10:39,278 for Channel 2 News from an abandoned piece 1284 01:10:39,322 --> 01:10:41,280 of farmland outside of Springfield, 1285 01:10:41,324 --> 01:10:45,284 where skeletal remains of a young girl have been found. 1286 01:11:26,804 --> 01:11:27,631 Yeah. 1287 01:11:28,936 --> 01:11:31,243 Okay, yeah, no, no, I appreciate it. 1288 01:11:31,287 --> 01:11:32,549 The results are in. 1289 01:11:32,592 --> 01:11:34,681 The body was identified as Sarah Winston. 1290 01:11:39,773 --> 01:11:41,775 I knew she was still out there. 1291 01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:45,779 Wait, how did Sarah end up in the pond? 1292 01:11:45,823 --> 01:11:46,998 It wasn't there in 1994. 1293 01:11:59,358 --> 01:12:02,143 - So, if the Howard's left Springfield in 1979, 1294 01:12:02,187 --> 01:12:03,928 and hadn't returned, then who built 1295 01:12:03,971 --> 01:12:05,408 that pond on that property? 1296 01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:08,367 - That big sinkhole opened up over there. 1297 01:12:08,411 --> 01:12:09,890 It was in '98. 1298 01:12:09,934 --> 01:12:11,588 It just boom, like that. 1299 01:12:11,631 --> 01:12:13,677 And that hole was massive. 1300 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,200 I went over there several times 1301 01:12:15,243 --> 01:12:17,333 to just stand there and look down into the thing. 1302 01:12:17,376 --> 01:12:18,290 It was huge. 1303 01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:19,900 With the Howard's gone, 1304 01:12:19,944 --> 01:12:21,554 nobody went up there to put any sign 1305 01:12:21,598 --> 01:12:23,817 to warn people about it. 1306 01:12:23,861 --> 01:12:25,341 A farmer's cow wandered off 1307 01:12:25,384 --> 01:12:29,780 and ended up in that sinkhole, fell right in. 1308 01:12:29,823 --> 01:12:31,042 We did get her out, though. 1309 01:12:31,085 --> 01:12:33,523 She was kinda shaken up but she's okay. 1310 01:12:33,566 --> 01:12:36,526 - Yes, Sir, because of safety purposes, 1311 01:12:36,569 --> 01:12:40,007 we agreed to fill the pond in with water. 1312 01:12:40,051 --> 01:12:41,966 Well, they went in and filled it with rock 1313 01:12:42,009 --> 01:12:45,404 and hard clay and stuff just to try 1314 01:12:45,448 --> 01:12:48,320 to build a base in it where it would retain the water. 1315 01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:49,800 Who filled up that sinkhole? 1316 01:12:49,843 --> 01:12:51,236 Wayne Ritchie. 1317 01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:53,456 - That pond was built by Wayne Ritchie. 1318 01:12:53,499 --> 01:12:54,761 Wayne Ritchie. 1319 01:12:54,805 --> 01:12:57,764 - Well, I loaned him the equipment to do it with 1320 01:12:57,808 --> 01:12:59,810 in exchange for fishin' rights of course. 1321 01:13:01,507 --> 01:13:06,512 - My first thought was that he drowned her somewhere else, 1322 01:13:07,687 --> 01:13:09,472 kept her body and then moved her back 1323 01:13:09,515 --> 01:13:11,996 to the pond once he built it. 1324 01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:13,301 Could Sarah's body have been moved 1325 01:13:13,345 --> 01:13:15,478 to the pond after she was murdered? 1326 01:13:15,521 --> 01:13:16,653 We would need to talk 1327 01:13:16,696 --> 01:13:18,437 to the forensic pathologist to find out. 1328 01:13:18,481 --> 01:13:21,005 - After we determined that the cause 1329 01:13:21,048 --> 01:13:24,051 or manner of death was not from gunshot or a stab wound, 1330 01:13:24,095 --> 01:13:27,359 we then turned our investigation towards drowning 1331 01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:30,493 since the skeleton was found in the pond. 1332 01:13:30,536 --> 01:13:35,541 We were gonna look at the presence or absence of diatoms. 1333 01:13:36,716 --> 01:13:38,109 Diatoms are photosynthesizing algae 1334 01:13:38,152 --> 01:13:40,894 that are present in every aquatic environment. 1335 01:13:40,938 --> 01:13:42,896 - When we studied the bone marrow, 1336 01:13:42,940 --> 01:13:45,812 we noticed diatoms present, 1337 01:13:45,856 --> 01:13:49,294 indicating that the cause of death was drowning. 1338 01:13:49,337 --> 01:13:51,209 Every body of water has its own unique 1339 01:13:51,252 --> 01:13:54,038 and distinct form of diatom, 1340 01:13:54,081 --> 01:13:55,431 kind of like a fingerprint. 1341 01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:59,870 - We took a sample in the pond at Howard's Mill 1342 01:13:59,913 --> 01:14:04,048 and studied the signature of the diatoms present. 1343 01:14:04,091 --> 01:14:08,661 Interestingly, it was an exact match to the diatoms present 1344 01:14:08,705 --> 01:14:10,794 in the bone marrow of Sarah Winston. 1345 01:14:10,837 --> 01:14:12,535 The presence of diatoms in the lungs 1346 01:14:12,578 --> 01:14:14,537 and bone marrow would indicate 1347 01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:18,062 that the person entered the water alive and then drowned. 1348 01:14:18,105 --> 01:14:20,804 The absence of diatoms would prove a body had been dumped 1349 01:14:20,847 --> 01:14:23,023 in the water after they were deceased. 1350 01:14:23,067 --> 01:14:25,069 - Based on these findings, the science shows 1351 01:14:25,112 --> 01:14:28,638 that Sarah Winston actually drowned in 2004. 1352 01:14:32,729 --> 01:14:35,688 - So in 1994, 10-year-old Sarah Winston disappears. 1353 01:14:35,732 --> 01:14:38,517 In 2017 the body of Sarah Winston is found 1354 01:14:38,561 --> 01:14:40,432 in the pond on Howard's Mill, 1355 01:14:41,825 --> 01:14:45,089 but the forensics report shows she drowned in 2004. 1356 01:14:45,132 --> 01:14:47,439 So, that means she should have been 20 years old 1357 01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:49,833 in 2004 when she drowned, 1358 01:14:49,876 --> 01:14:51,574 but she was still at 10 years old, 1359 01:14:51,617 --> 01:14:55,142 the same age she was in 1994 before the pond was ever built. 1360 01:14:56,883 --> 01:14:58,276 Are you confused yet? 1361 01:15:00,670 --> 01:15:03,629 - Human time travel may not be probable 1362 01:15:03,673 --> 01:15:07,851 but it is potentially possible. 1363 01:15:09,635 --> 01:15:14,074 Technically, we are all time travelers. 1364 01:15:15,685 --> 01:15:18,775 In the past 24 hours, I traveled one day in time. 1365 01:15:18,818 --> 01:15:20,603 I presume that you did too. 1366 01:15:21,604 --> 01:15:23,431 The real question is whether 1367 01:15:23,475 --> 01:15:27,435 or not different people travel faster than others. 1368 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,176 Einstein thought so. 1369 01:15:29,220 --> 01:15:31,309 In the case of Sarah Winston, 1370 01:15:31,352 --> 01:15:36,357 you have forensic proof that a 10-year-old girl disappeared 1371 01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:41,014 and then drowned at the same age 10 years later. 1372 01:15:42,973 --> 01:15:44,496 The Glynis Howard story doesn't 1373 01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:45,976 have the science to back it up, 1374 01:15:46,019 --> 01:15:49,545 but the coincidence of them both happening 1375 01:15:49,588 --> 01:15:52,591 on the same piece of bland is compelling. 1376 01:15:52,635 --> 01:15:54,114 Are you saying you believe 1377 01:15:54,158 --> 01:15:56,900 that Sarah Winston traveled 10 years into the future, 1378 01:15:56,943 --> 01:15:59,772 returning to this exact same spot she disappeared 1379 01:15:59,816 --> 01:16:02,949 where a pond had been built and then drowned? 1380 01:16:02,993 --> 01:16:04,168 You have two related cases 1381 01:16:04,211 --> 01:16:06,474 of people with age discrepancies 1382 01:16:06,518 --> 01:16:08,128 connected to the same location, 1383 01:16:08,172 --> 01:16:09,739 and one of them is still living. 1384 01:16:12,742 --> 01:16:15,527 I would ask the one that's still living. 1385 01:16:36,461 --> 01:16:37,288 Yeah. 1386 01:16:40,117 --> 01:16:41,466 It's all familiar. 1387 01:16:52,912 --> 01:16:53,739 Your old room. 1388 01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:56,307 No. 1389 01:16:57,917 --> 01:17:01,094 No, I've never been in this room before. 1390 01:17:01,138 --> 01:17:04,010 But this is the only child's room in the house. 1391 01:17:09,668 --> 01:17:11,670 I don't remember this room. 1392 01:17:13,585 --> 01:17:16,370 When I, I remember I took naps though, 1393 01:17:16,414 --> 01:17:18,068 upstairs in this room. 1394 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,645 Yeah, I took naps in here with my dad, 1395 01:17:30,776 --> 01:17:34,780 but I had my own room, was in the basement. 1396 01:17:36,956 --> 01:17:38,784 So. 1397 01:17:38,828 --> 01:17:39,742 The basement? 1398 01:17:39,785 --> 01:17:40,656 Uh huh. 1399 01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:47,184 I mean, this place is so... 1400 01:17:47,227 --> 01:17:49,708 I mean, I know I was here. 1401 01:17:49,752 --> 01:17:50,796 I know I was here. 1402 01:17:54,408 --> 01:17:56,976 It's crazy, I felt like it was bigger. 1403 01:18:01,677 --> 01:18:05,463 It was like twice this size when I was here. 1404 01:18:06,769 --> 01:18:08,509 Like this wall wasn't here 1405 01:18:09,467 --> 01:18:12,470 'cause I had like a dresser and- 1406 01:18:12,513 --> 01:18:14,080 Shine the light on here. 1407 01:18:14,124 --> 01:18:14,951 Let me see. 1408 01:18:16,343 --> 01:18:18,302 Yeah, this board is... 1409 01:18:18,345 --> 01:18:20,043 - Hold that light right there. - Okay. 1410 01:18:20,086 --> 01:18:20,870 Be careful. 1411 01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:30,401 - Got it? - Yeah, I got it. 1412 01:18:30,444 --> 01:18:31,663 Oh, oh, oh, oh. 1413 01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:33,012 Oh my God! 1414 01:18:33,056 --> 01:18:33,970 - Yeah, there's something - Yeah, yeah, 1415 01:18:34,013 --> 01:18:34,884 - in there. - yeah. 1416 01:18:34,927 --> 01:18:36,276 I knew this wall wasn't here. 1417 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,756 I knew this wall wasn't here. 1418 01:18:42,805 --> 01:18:43,631 All right? 1419 01:18:43,675 --> 01:18:45,198 Camera. 1420 01:18:46,939 --> 01:18:47,766 Got it. 1421 01:18:51,857 --> 01:18:53,032 Oh my God. 1422 01:18:53,076 --> 01:18:54,338 What are you seein', guys? 1423 01:18:54,381 --> 01:18:56,209 Oh my God, this is all my stuff. 1424 01:18:56,253 --> 01:18:57,384 These are my... 1425 01:18:57,428 --> 01:18:58,777 I remember these books. 1426 01:19:00,126 --> 01:19:02,476 It was up against this wall but... 1427 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:03,739 And this picture. 1428 01:19:05,392 --> 01:19:07,830 I mean, I looked at this picture every single day. 1429 01:19:07,873 --> 01:19:09,135 Wow. 1430 01:19:10,658 --> 01:19:11,442 It's still here. 1431 01:19:11,485 --> 01:19:12,399 Yeah, I... 1432 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:15,751 Like... 1433 01:19:16,839 --> 01:19:18,405 I'm kinda in shock right now. 1434 01:19:18,449 --> 01:19:19,842 I'm shaking. 1435 01:19:19,885 --> 01:19:21,495 This bed, this was my bed. 1436 01:19:22,845 --> 01:19:26,065 This was my bed and all my things and... 1437 01:19:27,806 --> 01:19:29,025 - Oh my God! - Oh God! 1438 01:19:29,068 --> 01:19:29,982 Get outta here! 1439 01:19:40,645 --> 01:19:42,690 For the second time in 28 days, 1440 01:19:42,734 --> 01:19:44,214 skeletal remains of a child 1441 01:19:44,257 --> 01:19:47,391 have been discovered on the abandoned Howard's Mill. 1442 01:19:47,434 --> 01:19:50,046 Police questioned a suspect, Wayne Ritchie, 1443 01:19:50,089 --> 01:19:52,744 after discovering the body of 10 year old Sarah Winston 1444 01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:55,747 who had been missing since 1994. 1445 01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:57,531 - I don't care what those scientists say. 1446 01:19:57,575 --> 01:19:59,403 I know Wayne did it. 1447 01:19:59,446 --> 01:20:02,406 - When I heard about Sarah Winston, 1448 01:20:02,449 --> 01:20:04,364 I immediately, I just got chills. 1449 01:20:06,323 --> 01:20:10,240 I mean, that could've been me. 1450 01:20:10,283 --> 01:20:11,502 I guess I'm surprised. 1451 01:20:11,545 --> 01:20:14,026 I really didn't see him as the murdering kind. 1452 01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:16,376 - Never, I'll never believe that he did that. 1453 01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:22,992 Hello? 1454 01:20:23,035 --> 01:20:26,734 Hi, yes, this is Glynis Williams. 1455 01:20:26,778 --> 01:20:31,783 I just, I was watching the news and the man, 1456 01:20:34,394 --> 01:20:38,137 Wayne Ritchie, I think they said his name was, I know him. 1457 01:20:38,181 --> 01:20:39,965 I know who that is. 1458 01:20:40,009 --> 01:20:41,793 You've met him? 1459 01:20:41,837 --> 01:20:46,537 I'm positive that that man is my father. 1460 01:21:24,531 --> 01:21:25,663 All right, what you go for me, Dan? 1461 01:21:25,706 --> 01:21:28,318 - Well, the lab results are in, brother. 1462 01:21:28,361 --> 01:21:29,754 You're not gonna believe it. 1463 01:21:31,190 --> 01:21:33,801 Wayne Ritchie and Glynis Williams are not related. 1464 01:21:33,845 --> 01:21:35,325 Okay. 1465 01:21:35,368 --> 01:21:39,155 Rebecca Howard and Glynis Williams are not related. 1466 01:21:39,198 --> 01:21:40,069 Wait, now what are you talkin'- 1467 01:21:40,112 --> 01:21:42,375 There's more. 1468 01:21:42,419 --> 01:21:47,424 Rebecca Howard and Jane Doe are related. 1469 01:21:59,740 --> 01:22:03,527 - When was the last time you saw your daughter? 1470 01:23:12,596 --> 01:23:14,119 Wayne Ritchie didn't recognize 1471 01:23:14,163 --> 01:23:16,730 the photo of the real Glynis Howard, 1472 01:23:16,774 --> 01:23:19,516 but was able to identify Glynis Williams, 1473 01:23:19,559 --> 01:23:23,346 although referring to her as Glynis Howard. 1474 01:23:23,389 --> 01:23:25,609 He seemed just as confused as everyone else. 1475 01:25:13,195 --> 01:25:14,326 This just all seems to point 1476 01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:15,893 more and more to Wayne Ritchie. 1477 01:25:15,936 --> 01:25:18,243 The fact that we have a body in the room 1478 01:25:18,287 --> 01:25:20,289 that he admits he sealed, 1479 01:25:21,768 --> 01:25:26,295 then we've got a body in a pond that he had field. 1480 01:25:26,338 --> 01:25:29,124 The question now is, where is Emily? 1481 01:25:31,561 --> 01:25:33,824 Are you happy with the arrest? 1482 01:25:38,176 --> 01:25:39,134 So, are we done? 1483 01:25:41,223 --> 01:25:42,441 No. 1484 01:25:42,485 --> 01:25:43,964 I still need to find my wife. 1485 01:26:10,034 --> 01:26:12,384 Wayne, I need your help. 1486 01:26:12,428 --> 01:26:13,603 All right. 1487 01:26:13,646 --> 01:26:15,735 I mean, I'll help however I can help. 1488 01:26:17,259 --> 01:26:18,129 All right. 1489 01:26:19,261 --> 01:26:20,436 What I'm havin' a problem wrappin' 1490 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,829 my mind around is this. 1491 01:26:22,873 --> 01:26:24,222 You admit to all these things, 1492 01:26:24,266 --> 01:26:26,181 - buildin' that wall? - Yeah. 1493 01:26:27,094 --> 01:26:28,357 Takin' that little baby, 1494 01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,621 but what about Emily? 1495 01:26:31,664 --> 01:26:34,058 What about my wife, Wayne? 1496 01:26:34,101 --> 01:26:35,625 - I told you Dwight, told you from the start, 1497 01:26:35,668 --> 01:26:37,104 I had nothin' to do with that. 1498 01:26:37,148 --> 01:26:40,978 I had nothin' to do with that. 1499 01:26:42,153 --> 01:26:43,285 Why are you in the video 1500 01:26:43,328 --> 01:26:45,287 she took right before she went missin'? 1501 01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:49,291 That's you standin' right there. 1502 01:26:50,335 --> 01:26:51,467 I don't know. 1503 01:26:52,990 --> 01:26:54,165 That wasn't me. 1504 01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:57,299 It's 'cause I go out there sometimes 1505 01:26:57,342 --> 01:26:58,909 and when I walk around I hunt. 1506 01:26:58,952 --> 01:27:00,563 That ain't a crime. 1507 01:27:00,606 --> 01:27:01,738 No, that's not a crime. 1508 01:27:01,781 --> 01:27:03,435 But you didn't notice her there 1509 01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,481 even though she was talkin' awfully loud 1510 01:27:05,524 --> 01:27:06,743 and she wasn't exactly blendin' in? 1511 01:27:06,786 --> 01:27:08,005 Well, so what? 1512 01:27:08,048 --> 01:27:10,094 If I did, it don't mean I hurt her. 1513 01:27:10,137 --> 01:27:12,444 It don't mean I done nothin' with her. 1514 01:27:12,488 --> 01:27:16,231 Sometimes I go out there and I watch people a little bit, 1515 01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:20,539 see if they disappear or whatnot. 1516 01:27:21,714 --> 01:27:22,585 - Are you sayin' you saw what happened to her? 1517 01:27:22,628 --> 01:27:23,499 Naw. 1518 01:27:23,542 --> 01:27:26,284 A dog ran off into the woods, 1519 01:27:27,459 --> 01:27:32,247 and I followed the dog into the woods. 1520 01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:34,727 I figured she went home. 1521 01:27:34,771 --> 01:27:37,382 - If you don't have anything to hide, 1522 01:27:37,426 --> 01:27:39,254 while are you always chasin' people off that property? 1523 01:27:39,297 --> 01:27:43,736 - 'Cause I wanna make sure nobody out there disappears again 1524 01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:47,436 and I wanna make sure nobody else pops up, 1525 01:27:49,089 --> 01:27:51,135 like Glynis done. 1526 01:27:51,178 --> 01:27:51,962 You were just walkin' by? 1527 01:27:52,005 --> 01:27:53,311 I was just walkin' by. 1528 01:27:53,355 --> 01:27:55,313 They took her, not me. 1529 01:27:55,357 --> 01:27:56,140 Who? 1530 01:27:56,183 --> 01:27:57,533 Who took her? 1531 01:27:57,576 --> 01:27:59,012 I had nothin' to do with this. 1532 01:27:59,056 --> 01:28:00,362 I had nothin' to do with this. 1533 01:28:00,405 --> 01:28:02,364 - I had nothin' to, - This person disappeared 1534 01:28:02,407 --> 01:28:04,627 - y'all can... - only a few weeks ago. 1535 01:28:04,670 --> 01:28:05,454 Who took her, Wayne? 1536 01:28:09,762 --> 01:28:12,374 - Now you know we've got several people out there 1537 01:28:12,417 --> 01:28:14,854 that claim they saw lights 1538 01:28:14,898 --> 01:28:18,249 but there's no proof of that so we can't go anything there. 1539 01:28:18,293 --> 01:28:19,729 And you've got the Lopez's, 1540 01:28:19,772 --> 01:28:24,299 you've got Sarah Winston and you've got Glynis Howard 1541 01:28:24,342 --> 01:28:26,866 all disappearing from the same land. 1542 01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:28,390 Sarah! 1543 01:28:28,433 --> 01:28:29,260 Sarah? 1544 01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:30,566 Sarah! 1545 01:28:30,609 --> 01:28:32,132 - Did you see where she went? - Where is she? 1546 01:28:32,176 --> 01:28:34,221 - Some people believe theoretically 1547 01:28:34,265 --> 01:28:36,049 that the potential for traveling through time, 1548 01:28:36,093 --> 01:28:38,617 forward through time is possible. 1549 01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:49,933 - 1979, Glynis Howard goes missing age six, all right? 1550 01:28:49,976 --> 01:28:51,891 She shows back up forensics report 1551 01:28:51,935 --> 01:28:56,374 that Glynis Howard's body found in a wall dead at age six. 1552 01:28:56,418 --> 01:28:57,810 Look, that's 10 years. 1553 01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:02,380 Sarah Winston, disappears at age 10, 1994. 1554 01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:06,906 10 years later forensics again says 1555 01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:09,866 she shows up drowned, dead but the same age. 1556 01:29:10,867 --> 01:29:13,565 There's also the twin paradox. 1557 01:29:13,609 --> 01:29:16,829 The idea being that if you take identical twins 1558 01:29:16,873 --> 01:29:18,353 under the right circumstances, 1559 01:29:18,396 --> 01:29:21,443 one could travel to space and returning 1560 01:29:21,486 --> 01:29:24,750 have aged slower than the one who remained on Earth. 1561 01:29:26,099 --> 01:29:26,970 Now, what's with the 10 years? 1562 01:29:27,013 --> 01:29:28,972 Now, you tell me how somebody's, 1563 01:29:29,015 --> 01:29:30,974 they disappear at a certain age, 1564 01:29:31,017 --> 01:29:32,758 their bodies are kept and then they show 1565 01:29:32,802 --> 01:29:36,371 back up dead at a certain age. 1566 01:29:36,414 --> 01:29:39,678 - So, you're sayin' that Emily will come back in 10 years? 1567 01:29:40,853 --> 01:29:43,856 - More importantly, will she show back up 1568 01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,990 in 10 years the same age as when she disappeared? 1569 01:29:52,343 --> 01:29:54,127 Maybe Roger Winston's theories 1570 01:29:54,171 --> 01:29:56,434 weren't so far fetched. 1571 01:29:56,478 --> 01:29:59,219 Maybe he's not as crazy as everyone thinks. 1572 01:30:01,918 --> 01:30:04,181 Twin Falls, Idaho, 1987, 1573 01:30:04,224 --> 01:30:06,357 this is an interview with a boy named Cole Thomas, 1574 01:30:06,401 --> 01:30:07,924 eight year old boy. 1575 01:30:07,967 --> 01:30:09,882 He claimed he'd been missin' for two days 1576 01:30:09,926 --> 01:30:12,755 and when they found him he'd only been gone, 1577 01:30:12,798 --> 01:30:14,539 he said four minutes, okay? 1578 01:30:14,583 --> 01:30:16,846 So, the only thing that he remembered 1579 01:30:16,889 --> 01:30:20,023 was the distinct feelin' of bein' watched. 1580 01:30:20,066 --> 01:30:23,200 Texarkana, Arkansas, 2001, right? 1581 01:30:23,243 --> 01:30:26,508 "I saw my sister climbing through the second floor window 1582 01:30:26,551 --> 01:30:27,813 but not really climbing. 1583 01:30:27,857 --> 01:30:29,598 It was more like she was floatin', 1584 01:30:29,641 --> 01:30:32,688 and when I got to the window, she was gone," right? 1585 01:30:32,731 --> 01:30:35,168 - And there were triangular lights 1586 01:30:35,212 --> 01:30:38,041 that appeared at the horizon. 1587 01:30:38,084 --> 01:30:41,697 - The lights comin' in the window. 1588 01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:44,351 They would rotate and move. 1589 01:30:44,395 --> 01:30:46,832 - And lights floatin' in the distance. 1590 01:30:46,876 --> 01:30:48,747 I got a lot of this stuff here 1591 01:30:48,791 --> 01:30:50,314 and it's just missin' persons 1592 01:30:50,357 --> 01:30:53,404 with no recollection of where they've been, okay? 1593 01:30:53,448 --> 01:30:56,668 Just, they all know that they've been watched. 1594 01:30:56,712 --> 01:31:01,586 - They were all lined up on the horizon, watching. 1595 01:31:09,942 --> 01:31:12,597 - The entities appear to study their subjects, 1596 01:31:12,641 --> 01:31:14,469 first as many abducted individuals 1597 01:31:14,512 --> 01:31:18,211 share the feeling of being watched. 1598 01:31:18,255 --> 01:31:19,430 All right? 1599 01:31:19,474 --> 01:31:20,910 "Sometimes months before the incident, 1600 01:31:20,953 --> 01:31:23,347 while there are numerous vivid accounts of abduction 1601 01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:27,569 there are just as many lost time incidents," all right? 1602 01:31:27,612 --> 01:31:31,398 "The victim goes missing for days, months, even years, 1603 01:31:31,442 --> 01:31:33,488 with no memory of being gone 1604 01:31:33,531 --> 01:31:35,446 and in the case of Marilyn Graham, 1605 01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:37,100 showing no signs of aging 1606 01:31:37,143 --> 01:31:39,929 despite being missing for over 10 years." 1607 01:31:39,972 --> 01:31:41,757 Okay, look at all of these, all right? 1608 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,282 And you wanna say that you don't believe? 1609 01:31:45,325 --> 01:31:48,851 - I'm lookin' at all this, but what are you sayin' here? 1610 01:31:50,287 --> 01:31:51,157 What am I saying? 1611 01:31:53,333 --> 01:31:54,160 Just read it. 1612 01:31:55,945 --> 01:31:59,601 If the 10 year time travel theory is possible, 1613 01:31:59,644 --> 01:32:01,211 could it be that Glynis Howard returned 1614 01:32:01,254 --> 01:32:03,561 to the exact same spot in the basement 1615 01:32:03,605 --> 01:32:05,041 where she disappeared only 1616 01:32:05,084 --> 01:32:08,131 to find herself trapped behind the wall Wayne built? 1617 01:32:08,174 --> 01:32:09,393 Did a starving child try to claw 1618 01:32:09,436 --> 01:32:11,656 her way out of what would become her tomb? 1619 01:32:13,092 --> 01:32:14,485 And did Sarah Winston return 1620 01:32:14,529 --> 01:32:15,965 to the same spot she disappeared 1621 01:32:16,008 --> 01:32:18,402 where upon it had been built and then drowned? 1622 01:32:20,839 --> 01:32:22,667 Did Roger Winston just miss an opportunity 1623 01:32:22,711 --> 01:32:25,322 to save his daughter from drowning 1624 01:32:25,365 --> 01:32:27,716 the night he found her bow floating in the pond? 1625 01:32:30,675 --> 01:32:32,590 I think she was trying to come home. 1626 01:32:39,641 --> 01:32:42,165 But then what about the Lopez's? 1627 01:32:42,208 --> 01:32:43,079 Where did they go? 1628 01:32:44,123 --> 01:32:45,342 And what about Glynis Williams 1629 01:32:45,385 --> 01:32:47,605 who Wayne found in the Howard's field? 1630 01:32:47,649 --> 01:32:48,867 Where did she come from? 1631 01:32:51,174 --> 01:32:54,133 And then there is a reason why we started this journey, 1632 01:32:54,177 --> 01:32:55,395 Dwight's wife, Emily. 1633 01:32:56,875 --> 01:32:58,573 Maybe it all doesn't add up perfectly 1634 01:32:58,616 --> 01:33:00,705 but something unnatural is clearly happening 1635 01:33:00,749 --> 01:33:03,882 on this abandoned piece of land called Howard's Mill. 1636 01:33:08,583 --> 01:33:10,106 No, you need to understand, 1637 01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:13,675 sometimes it takes people and sometimes it gives people. 1638 01:33:15,067 --> 01:33:16,591 Best just to stay away. 1639 01:33:19,506 --> 01:33:21,596 For the first time in my life, 1640 01:33:21,639 --> 01:33:23,293 I really don't know what to think. 1641 01:33:26,688 --> 01:33:29,647 I mean, we finally got Wayne Ritchie in jail. 1642 01:33:31,257 --> 01:33:33,608 I don't know if he did it, Kaiser. 1643 01:33:37,176 --> 01:33:40,745 You got people movin' at different speeds, 1644 01:33:40,789 --> 01:33:42,573 reappearin' and disappearin'. 1645 01:33:42,617 --> 01:33:43,748 Little girls just poppin' up 1646 01:33:43,792 --> 01:33:48,057 in rooms with no windows or doors, and Emily. 1647 01:33:49,711 --> 01:33:50,886 I can't find my wife. 1648 01:33:54,803 --> 01:33:55,717 This whole thing's crazy. 1649 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,457 It's just got my mind spinnin'. 1650 01:34:00,286 --> 01:34:01,113 I feel lost. 1651 01:34:02,637 --> 01:34:04,769 So, what are you gonna do now? 1652 01:34:04,813 --> 01:34:05,640 Keep lookin. 1653 01:34:06,902 --> 01:34:08,991 Do you think she'll come back? 1654 01:34:09,034 --> 01:34:11,602 I mean, yeah. 1655 01:34:11,646 --> 01:34:14,083 I have to believe that, 1656 01:34:14,126 --> 01:34:15,824 but if she doesn't, 1657 01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:20,611 I will be right here 10 years from now waitin' on her. 1658 01:34:23,919 --> 01:34:24,702 I just... 1659 01:34:33,755 --> 01:34:37,933 ♪ When everything falls out of focus ♪ 1660 01:34:37,976 --> 01:34:40,413 ♪ You walk through the door 1661 01:34:40,457 --> 01:34:43,155 ♪ And one thing that's clear to me ♪ 1662 01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:45,505 ♪ Helplessly hopeless 1663 01:34:45,549 --> 01:34:47,377 ♪ I'm all right with that 1664 01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:50,119 ♪ In a room full of people 1665 01:34:50,162 --> 01:34:55,167 ♪ Everything else disappears 1666 01:34:56,081 --> 01:34:59,781 ♪ Everything else disappears 1667 01:34:59,824 --> 01:35:04,437 ♪ Everything else disappears 1668 01:35:04,481 --> 01:35:07,310 ♪ Everything else 122117

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