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Is yours working?
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Mm hm.
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All right, we're
just gonna start easy.
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Can you give me your name,
age and where you're from?
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Okay.
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My name is Dwight Nixon.
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I'm from Atlanta, Georgia.
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I'm 37 years old.
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And your wife?
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My wife's name is Emily Nixon.
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She's from
Springfield, Tennessee.
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We both are livin' here now.
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Where's
your wife now?
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Emily went
missin' 32 days ago.
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Do you know what
might've happened to her?
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No, but I plan to find out.
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Did you
kill your wife?
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My name is Kaiser Whitmore.
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Me and my college
classmate, Charlie Burris,
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are film students in
Nashville, Tennessee.
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We read about the disappearance
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- of Emily Nixon
- Emily!
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and her husband
Dwight's ongoing search
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for her while also remaining
the primary suspect.
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We thought it
interesting enough,
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so we inquired about
doing this interview.
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What we thought was
gonna be a single day
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of filming turned into
much more than that.
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Something more mysterious,
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more unexplainable.
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911,
what's your emergency?
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More sinister.
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- Oh my God!
- Oh God!
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Get outta here.
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- A few days after
our initial interview,
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Dwight agreed to walk us through
the day Emily disappeared.
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It happened on an 82 acre farm
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in Springfield, Tennessee
called Howard's Mill.
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Abandoned for nearly 50 years,
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the land consists of
mostly overgrown fields,
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some small wooded
areas and a large pond.
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That much stuff?
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Oh, he's here.
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- Okay, okay.
- Do you need help?
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No,
I'm good, I'm good.
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Hey, good
to see you again.
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Hey, how you doin'?
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Good, how are you?
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I'm all right.
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- Well, thank you
so much for coming.
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Do you mind just walking
us through that day,
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beginning of the day up
until her disappearance?
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Yeah, sure.
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Emily and I got here
probably about 12:15.
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Okay.
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- We stopped by
the nursing home.
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Emily's mom is in
the nursing home.
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Oh, okay.
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- And we made sure
she got her meds
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and talked with her for a
minute, then we drove up here.
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Yeah.
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- What were you guys
doing over here again?
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Metal detector,
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- metal-
- That's right.
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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So, when you did bring him in
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was there anything
off about him?
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Nothin' stuck out at first.
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He had a good
recollection of the day.
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And what were you
doin' on the property?
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- My wife and I are
amateur treasure hunters.
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Do you ever find anything?
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- No, it's just a way of
spending time together.
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So, we're up here.
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We're metal detecting and
then we decided, okay.
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We decide we're gonna split off.
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All right?
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- So, I go-
- Wait, y'all split off?
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- When did you decide to
go in different directions?
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We didn't.
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Well, I mean, it's what we do.
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We walk in different directions
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so we're not coverin'
the same area.
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- Kinda counter to spendin'
time together wouldn't you say?
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- And we always agree
to meet at a certain,
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meet at a middle point.
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And so, we agreed to meet right
over here, over that ridge.
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Do you see way up there
where that ridge is?
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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That's where we agreed to meet.
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- When he started walkin'
us through the routes
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that he and his wife
took around the property,
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that's when his story
began fallin' apart.
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- So, you saw her
the whole time?
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- I saw her most
of the time, yeah.
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- Can you show me on the
map, the area you covered?
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- And if you look
over this ridge here,
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you really can't
see down into that.
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So, I figured that maybe she'll
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come over the hill eventually.
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So, I stop right about here
in this little open space.
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- And where we found a piece
of Emily's metal detector?
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- And I feel somethin'
under my foot.
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Did the
police come here
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and meet you here?
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Yes, yes.
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They couldn't find anything,
I couldn't find anything.
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While
searching the property,
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police discovered Emily's phone.
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The following footage
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was the last thing
Emily recorded
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just moments before
her disappearance.
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- I'm gettin' a
strong kick here.
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It seems to be about
six inches down.
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What do we have here?
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Dwight's gonna be so mad.
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He never really finds anything.
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I'm not sure what
it is right now
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but it seems kind of
heavy and metallic.
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I'm gonna have to get
it home to wash it off.
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Emily was born
in Springfield, Tennessee.
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What are
y'all posin' for?
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This is a movie camera.
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Her dad died
when she was six months old.
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- They can't bring
no camera with you.
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So, she
was raised by her mom.
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Just she and her mom.
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- I've known Emily
since we were kids.
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We grew up together.
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We had lots of classes together
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and we just became best friends.
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- We've been best friends
since junior high.
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She was always happy.
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She always had a smile.
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- She was sweet,
kindhearted and hilarious.
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- Beautiful personality,
liked by everyone.
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- This town has always
been really fun for us.
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We hung out, we got
our own little places
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that we love to go
and we spend a ton
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of time just runnin' around
and bein' goofy girls.
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Emily and I met in 2011.
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When he got with Emily,
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it's like his whole
life just changed.
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Hi.
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Isn't she cute?
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He loved Emily.
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He'd just do anything for Emily.
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♪ Happy birthday
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- It felt really quick,
like pretty quick for her.
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I mean, that was a
unique situation.
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I wasn't used to her
responding so quickly.
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- It was fast, but
he just fell head
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over heels in love with her.
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We got married in 2013.
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So, Dwight just got
to Springfield, Tennessee.
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You ready for your
first pair of overalls?
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- What'd you think we didn't
have 'em Atlanta in the 1990s?
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I just hope you don't care
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if I have one strap on
with no shirt.
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- Oo yeah!
- Oh, whatever.
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Well, I think you're
gonna love living here.
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It's a great place
to raise a family.
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So, you're ready for a family?
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Hm, maybe.
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- Robertson County
was founded in 1796
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the same year the state of
Tennessee was established.
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It is a small town, but we
do have a lot of history.
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We have tobacco, we have
the whiskey industry.
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It's a wonderful place to live.
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Been here all my life, so far.
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- I feel like
everyone's family here.
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- That Eagle was
picking up baby pigs,
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and so it had to be killed.
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Did you ever
regret moving here?
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No, not at all.
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- I don't-
- Even if it means
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you never see Emily again?
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- No, I don't regret moving
here and I definitely
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don't blame moving here
for Emily's disappearance.
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Is it possible that
Emily just left on her own?
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Absolutely not.
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She wouldn't just leave.
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- There was somethin'
about Emily's disappearance
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that never seemed right to me.
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The clues weren't there.
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In my experience, when
somebody goes missing,
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there's always a clue.
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We had nothin' to go on.
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She just
flat disappeared.
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He was the
last person to see her.
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That's going to
obviously put him
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at a higher level of suspicion.
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Do you
think her husband
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had something to do with it?
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- Man, I hate to speculate
on stuff like that.
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- When this case with
she'd been gone a month,
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I would likely expect to find
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a body instead of
a living person.
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- Course everybody's
got an angle.
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Who you gonna believe?
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Were there
any problems in your marriage problems?
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- No, we didn't
have any problems.
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Not any different
than any other couple.
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Any major fights recently?
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No.
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Why are you harassin' me?
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- Why do you think I
had lunch with you?
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- Last chance.
- You're crazy.
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Do you recall that argument?
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Yes.
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- We were able to uncover
a bit more evidence
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about the relationship
between Mr and Mrs. Nixon.
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- Sometimes people are
drunk and they fight,
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and she'd spend some time
with me when she felt
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like she needed to
let him cool off.
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He would never
physically hurt her, would he?
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- Absolutely not,
absolutely not.
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He was not brought up
around violence at all.
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He comes from a family where
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the women were
very well respected
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and that's just something
totally against his nature.
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- I warned her that
it could possibly
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be on the verge of
actually turning violent.
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- Even if you get angry
with them, you walk away.
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Detective Latta
believes you killed your wife.
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Of course he does.
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But what you should
concern yourself
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with is what he's not sayin'.
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This has happened before,
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right there on
that same property.
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- People still say things
happen around here all the time.
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You can ask anybody
in the community
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and they've had some story
or odd occurrence out here.
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It's kind of a local novelty.
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Kids talk about the
place and they dare
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their buddies to go over there
and walk around or whatever.
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We went there one
time, we'll never go back.
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- Our friend went in and he
didn't come out for 15 minutes,
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and when he came
out, he was crying.
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- As soon as we
pulled out my truck
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just went ,
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started givin' out and
he said he saw somethin',
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in my headlights.
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He said he saw some
woman or somethin'.
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- I'm pretty sure
it's like a ghost
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because it was moving slightly.
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And I don't believe
in no supernatural
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but I did run, so.
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I look up and there's like,
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just this silver thing
just sittin' in the sky.
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And I was like,
that's kinda weird.
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Yeah, I've seen some lights.
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And all this whole area,
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this whole county is known
to have odd events happen.
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It could definitely be the
reason you have strange events
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00:14:38,007 --> 00:14:41,315
and occurrences on
the Howard's property.
257
00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:43,926
All this property was sacred
hunting ground to the Indians.
258
00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:47,669
So, they supposedly
protected this property
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00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:50,933
by way of blessing these
rocks and the graves.
260
00:14:50,977 --> 00:14:55,068
So, incidentally I don't
mess with graves out here
261
00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:58,506
because I don't wanna start
it again, whatever it was.
262
00:15:02,031 --> 00:15:03,467
This has happened before,
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00:15:03,511 --> 00:15:05,208
right there on
that same property.
264
00:15:06,209 --> 00:15:07,471
What do you mean?
265
00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:08,472
Who'd this happen to?
266
00:15:08,516 --> 00:15:10,039
When?
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00:15:10,083 --> 00:15:14,870
- In 1994, a little girl named
Sarah Winston disappeared.
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00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:17,568
Just vanished right
there at Howard's Mill.
269
00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:27,448
Did you feed
some chips to the birds?
270
00:15:27,491 --> 00:15:28,971
Uh-
271
00:15:29,015 --> 00:15:32,496
- Yeah, did
you see that blue heron?
272
00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:37,066
Want another sandwich, baby?
273
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:38,328
No, I'm cool.
274
00:15:38,372 --> 00:15:39,590
Are you
saving room for cake?
275
00:15:39,634 --> 00:15:40,548
Yeah.
276
00:15:40,591 --> 00:15:41,723
I am, too.
277
00:15:41,766 --> 00:15:43,377
- Chocolate cake.
- Mm, mm, mm.
278
00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:44,204
I love you, baby.
279
00:15:44,247 --> 00:15:45,205
I love you too.
280
00:15:45,248 --> 00:15:46,423
- Mwah.
- You want a sandwich?
281
00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:47,685
No, no
thank you, I'm good.
282
00:15:47,729 --> 00:15:48,904
- You don't want-
- I'm gonna go play.
283
00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:50,036
- Be careful up there.
- Love you, Dad.
284
00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:51,254
All
right, love you too.
285
00:15:51,298 --> 00:15:52,168
- You didn't like
that she didn't stay.
286
00:15:52,212 --> 00:15:53,082
I don't think I do.
287
00:15:54,779 --> 00:15:55,911
Look how fast
she's runnin' in those boots.
288
00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:56,868
She's running now.
289
00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:00,872
Sarah?
290
00:16:00,916 --> 00:16:02,962
Sarah, are you okay?
291
00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:03,919
She's playin' around.
292
00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,268
I don't see her.
293
00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:06,966
Well, hold on.
294
00:16:07,009 --> 00:16:07,792
Sarah?
295
00:16:07,836 --> 00:16:09,751
Sarah?
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00:16:09,794 --> 00:16:10,926
Honey,
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00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:14,016
- go see what happened.
- Sarah?
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00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:15,061
Come on now.
299
00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:17,193
Sarah?
300
00:16:17,237 --> 00:16:18,934
Sarah?
301
00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:19,979
Sarah?
302
00:16:20,022 --> 00:16:21,197
Don't see her?
303
00:16:21,241 --> 00:16:22,764
Sarah!
304
00:16:22,807 --> 00:16:23,591
Sarah?
305
00:16:23,634 --> 00:16:24,418
Sarah!
306
00:16:24,461 --> 00:16:25,419
Good Lord!
307
00:16:25,462 --> 00:16:26,376
Where'd she go?
308
00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:27,290
Sarah!
309
00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:28,335
Sarah?
310
00:16:28,378 --> 00:16:29,727
Sarah?
311
00:16:31,077 --> 00:16:33,209
Sarah?
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00:16:33,253 --> 00:16:34,515
Oh my God.
313
00:16:34,558 --> 00:16:35,603
Oh my God,
314
00:16:35,646 --> 00:16:36,430
- where did she go?
- Sarah?
315
00:16:36,473 --> 00:16:37,257
Sarah!
316
00:16:38,736 --> 00:16:39,563
Sarah!
317
00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:42,871
Sarah!
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00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:47,397
We were
able to track down
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00:16:47,441 --> 00:16:50,270
the lead investigator from the
Sarah Winston disappearance,
320
00:16:50,313 --> 00:16:52,881
retired Detective, Dan Thompson.
321
00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:57,712
So, you worked
the Sarah Winston case?
322
00:16:57,755 --> 00:17:00,758
- Yes, I did and it was
real tragic, that one.
323
00:17:00,802 --> 00:17:03,239
- Well, what do you
remember about it?
324
00:17:03,283 --> 00:17:05,807
Oh, I remember everything.
325
00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:07,026
Everything.
326
00:17:07,069 --> 00:17:08,505
She went missing
practically right
327
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:12,248
in front of her
parents, broad daylight.
328
00:17:12,292 --> 00:17:13,249
Hm.
329
00:17:13,293 --> 00:17:14,859
Yeah, that was a strange case.
330
00:17:14,903 --> 00:17:16,470
There was an open field.
331
00:17:16,513 --> 00:17:19,908
They were out, nobody around
and next thing you know, gone.
332
00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,043
Nowhere to hide, nobody
anywhere around, nothin'.
333
00:17:24,086 --> 00:17:24,913
No sounds.
334
00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:26,654
Very strange.
335
00:17:28,395 --> 00:17:30,049
What do you think happened?
336
00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,006
I'm not sure.
337
00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,008
That case was never solved,
338
00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:36,055
so never found an end to it.
339
00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:39,275
We found an
address for Roger Winston
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00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:41,799
just outside Bowling
Green, Kentucky.
341
00:17:50,373 --> 00:17:51,679
All right.
342
00:17:51,722 --> 00:17:53,289
Ah, is that it?
343
00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:54,203
Yeah, this is it.
344
00:17:54,247 --> 00:17:55,770
- Okay.
- Let's go.
345
00:18:02,994 --> 00:18:04,387
It was a Saturday.
346
00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:07,216
We were celebratin'
her 10th birthday
347
00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:10,350
off of Old State Highway 41.
348
00:18:10,393 --> 00:18:11,699
The Howard place?
349
00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:16,747
- We just treated
it like a park.
350
00:18:18,053 --> 00:18:19,272
Nobody bothered us there.
351
00:18:23,972 --> 00:18:25,278
She liked to run around.
352
00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:27,410
Did you see that blue heron?
353
00:18:27,454 --> 00:18:30,196
She was the
happiest kid I ever saw.
354
00:18:31,197 --> 00:18:32,633
I love you, Dad.
355
00:18:32,676 --> 00:18:34,330
And you didn't
see anyone else around?
356
00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:38,029
Nah, it's just us.
357
00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:47,691
Then after ,
I ran up there.
358
00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:49,737
Hey, baby, come on!
359
00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:50,564
Tryin' to find her and,
360
00:18:50,607 --> 00:18:51,869
Sarah!
361
00:18:51,913 --> 00:18:53,001
See if she was okay and...
362
00:18:53,044 --> 00:18:54,524
Sarah!
363
00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:55,351
Sarah?
364
00:18:55,395 --> 00:18:56,265
Sarah?
365
00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:57,179
She wasn't there.
366
00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:00,704
Vanished.
367
00:19:00,748 --> 00:19:02,489
Just poof, she's gone.
368
00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:08,234
Gone.
369
00:19:21,899 --> 00:19:25,120
- Roger, to say he went to
pieces is an understatement.
370
00:19:26,991 --> 00:19:28,515
After she went missin',
371
00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:33,563
he just totally, just lost
his self, lost everything.
372
00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:37,263
It was like all the
life had been taken out of him.
373
00:19:38,568 --> 00:19:40,135
- He started havin' to
deal with that grief
374
00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,703
and the way that he chose to
deal with it was an addiction.
375
00:19:42,746 --> 00:19:47,751
It ruined his family and
you can't really reason
376
00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:52,234
with somebody when they're
in such a depression.
377
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,107
It hits you the way it hits you.
378
00:19:56,151 --> 00:19:57,544
If you think about it we're all
379
00:19:57,587 --> 00:20:00,416
one missing kid away from
being a crazy person.
380
00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:06,422
- Then he started chasing
all these theories.
381
00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:10,513
- He's not the person I knew
back before this happened.
382
00:20:12,863 --> 00:20:17,216
- How can you say goodbye
when they're still out there?
383
00:20:23,047 --> 00:20:27,356
After she was gone,
I went back everyday,
384
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,532
and then every Saturday,
385
00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:36,365
and then once a year
on the day it happened.
386
00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:44,373
One year I went and it was 2004,
387
00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:49,335
and I got there and it
was already dark out.
388
00:20:49,378 --> 00:20:52,686
It was sunset but it was dark.
389
00:20:57,212 --> 00:20:59,562
And it looked different, yeah.
390
00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:07,004
Somebody put a pond
in almost exactly
391
00:21:09,442 --> 00:21:11,270
on the spot where Sarah...
392
00:21:14,577 --> 00:21:15,404
Sarah!
393
00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:21,715
There was somethin'
floatin' in it.
394
00:21:36,556 --> 00:21:37,992
I found this there that night.
395
00:21:42,779 --> 00:21:45,608
It was wet, but it was spotless.
396
00:21:50,613 --> 00:21:54,400
Just like the day she made it.
397
00:21:54,443 --> 00:21:57,925
There's no way this
was laying in the dirt,
398
00:21:57,968 --> 00:21:59,753
floatin' in that
pond for 10 years.
399
00:22:08,979 --> 00:22:11,895
So what do
you think happened?
400
00:22:11,939 --> 00:22:13,810
- I think she was
tryin' to come home.
401
00:22:14,855 --> 00:22:16,378
Come home from where?
402
00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:25,953
Sarah in 1994.
403
00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:28,521
Emily in 2017.
404
00:22:29,913 --> 00:22:33,830
Two disappearances so similar,
but over 20 years apart.
405
00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:39,314
Are they connected or just
coincidental tragedies?
406
00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:41,185
That's
'cause she's not dead.
407
00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:43,492
She's still out there.
408
00:22:45,015 --> 00:22:46,190
You wife might be, too.
409
00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:52,849
We needed a lead
to connect Emily and Sarah.
410
00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:55,374
Something real, someone.
411
00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:00,727
The day that Emily went missing,
412
00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:03,164
why didn't you immediately
call the police?
413
00:23:03,207 --> 00:23:05,949
- I don't know, I did
what anyone else would.
414
00:23:05,993 --> 00:23:07,690
I started yellin' for her.
415
00:23:07,734 --> 00:23:09,083
I called her cell phone.
416
00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:12,478
That took some time.
417
00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:14,305
Three hours?
418
00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:17,570
- I mean, look, it took at
least 10 minutes goin' back
419
00:23:17,613 --> 00:23:19,006
and forth to the car.
420
00:23:19,049 --> 00:23:21,922
Then goin' through the
woods was like another hour.
421
00:23:25,316 --> 00:23:26,405
I wasn't thinkin' about time.
422
00:23:30,365 --> 00:23:32,411
What do we have here?
423
00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:33,499
Can I
show you something?
424
00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:36,589
Do you see that?
425
00:23:36,632 --> 00:23:38,068
There's someone
in the background.
426
00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:45,032
Why am I just seein' this?
427
00:23:45,075 --> 00:23:46,294
Because we
thought it could be you.
428
00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:49,950
That's not me.
429
00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:51,081
That's Wayne.
430
00:23:55,738 --> 00:23:56,652
For the first time
431
00:23:56,696 --> 00:23:58,480
since we began our documentary,
432
00:23:58,524 --> 00:24:00,439
we had a suspect
other than Dwight.
433
00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:08,490
The Ritchie farm borders to
Howard's property to the west,
434
00:24:08,534 --> 00:24:10,536
giving Wayne the
most direct access
435
00:24:10,579 --> 00:24:13,147
to Howard's Mill than any
of the other neighbors.
436
00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:15,236
Yeah, I know Wayne.
437
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,543
He's kinda keeps to himself.
438
00:24:17,586 --> 00:24:20,415
He doesn't do much
socializing or nothin'.
439
00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:23,418
- He's just one of
those guys that,
440
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:25,986
he's kind of like
the town eccentric.
441
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:29,729
Just kinda odd ,
kinda like the rest of us.
442
00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:31,252
But anyhow.
443
00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:32,775
You see him sometimes with,
444
00:24:32,819 --> 00:24:35,299
he's got a rabbit in his
hand that he got on the road.
445
00:24:35,343 --> 00:24:36,562
I don't know what
he does with it.
446
00:24:36,605 --> 00:24:37,824
No.
447
00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:40,566
His job is pickin' up
roadkill for the county.
448
00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:41,828
Somebody gotta do it.
449
00:24:41,871 --> 00:24:43,699
- I know when my
kids were little,
450
00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:46,615
I used to go to like the
food store and the toy store,
451
00:24:46,659 --> 00:24:48,965
he'd be buyin' like
all this baby food.
452
00:24:49,009 --> 00:24:50,184
- Heard a story about
him awhile back,
453
00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:53,056
that he, he's kinda off.
454
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:55,232
So his momma, he wanted
the money from his momma
455
00:24:55,276 --> 00:24:57,452
and she told him
to go rob a bank.
456
00:24:57,496 --> 00:24:58,888
Well, he goes up here
and robs the bank
457
00:24:58,932 --> 00:25:00,716
and he ain't gonna hurt nobody.
458
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,631
But he said, "I'm here
to get some money.
459
00:25:02,675 --> 00:25:04,677
My momma told me to come
get some money from y'all.
460
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,765
I'm here to rob a bank."
461
00:25:10,639 --> 00:25:14,034
- I think Wayne's life was
probably pretty tough at home.
462
00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:16,340
I think his dad was
pretty rough on him
463
00:25:16,384 --> 00:25:19,692
and his dad was a no
nonsense kinda guy,
464
00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:22,869
a hard workin' man,
hard drinkin' guy
465
00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:25,698
and I think Wayne was
scared to death of him.
466
00:25:25,741 --> 00:25:27,177
And to be honest with you,
467
00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:28,483
I probably was a little bit too.
468
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,137
Were you
scared of Wayne at all?
469
00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:31,138
No, no.
470
00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:32,574
I don't think he's dangerous.
471
00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:34,271
I think he's just
kind of a loner.
472
00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:37,579
- Most people just leave him
alone, leave him be because-
473
00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:39,450
- He'd probably
run 'em off anyway.
474
00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:40,321
He probably would.
475
00:25:40,364 --> 00:25:41,235
- He was-
- That's the way
476
00:25:41,278 --> 00:25:43,106
his family's always been.
477
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:46,545
- There's been a lot of
kids going to that house.
478
00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,198
Like we would normally
like ride four wheelers
479
00:25:48,242 --> 00:25:51,637
down our road and stuff and
we never do that anymore.
480
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,163
He has threatened to
kill me and my neighbor.
481
00:26:00,863 --> 00:26:02,735
- Well, he kinda
takes care of it.
482
00:26:02,778 --> 00:26:05,346
Used to be a farm
several years ago
483
00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:07,304
but it kinda died out.
484
00:26:07,348 --> 00:26:09,655
Now he just does some
mowin' and things like that.
485
00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:11,657
- Well, I don't know why
he's mowing that lawn
486
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,616
when the Howard's
left decades ago.
487
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:15,835
- Why would anybody do that?
- I don't know but he had,
488
00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:18,054
the Howard's ain't comin' back.
489
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:22,755
- Before he kinda
tried to kidnap a girl
490
00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:25,366
I think is the way that
it turned out to be.
491
00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:27,760
We all just kinda thought
that he was strange.
492
00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:31,067
- He gave this girl a
ride home from school.
493
00:26:31,111 --> 00:26:32,634
He didn't stop at her house.
494
00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:35,811
He just kept going and she
was gone for a whole hour.
495
00:26:39,902 --> 00:26:41,425
Is Wayne a suspect?
496
00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:45,865
Wayne's slow.
497
00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:48,128
He's always been slow.
498
00:26:48,171 --> 00:26:52,698
He likes to keep to himself
which upsets some people.
499
00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:54,264
Kidnappin'?
500
00:26:54,308 --> 00:26:55,135
No.
501
00:26:56,615 --> 00:27:00,314
Wayne Ritchie didn't
kidnap anybody.
502
00:27:00,357 --> 00:27:01,750
But what
about Terra Edwards?
503
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,454
Although Wayne
Ritchie was nearby
504
00:27:10,498 --> 00:27:14,241
during the disappearance of
Emily Nixon and Sarah Winston,
505
00:27:14,284 --> 00:27:18,375
we wrote him off as a harmless
misunderstood recluse.
506
00:27:18,419 --> 00:27:20,595
But then we learned
about Terra Edwards.
507
00:27:26,122 --> 00:27:28,472
Yeah, I was 14.
508
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:30,910
We all thought he was harmless.
509
00:27:30,953 --> 00:27:33,477
One day he said
he'd take me home.
510
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:39,527
But he just drove right
past my neighborhood.
511
00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:42,138
- Apparently Mr. Ritchie
had gone to the school
512
00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:44,575
in his car and my daughter
doesn't have a car to drive.
513
00:27:44,619 --> 00:27:46,403
So, offered her a ride home.
514
00:27:47,578 --> 00:27:50,669
They drove towards the
house and when she said,
515
00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:51,887
"This is my house,
516
00:27:51,931 --> 00:27:54,063
just let me off in
front of the house,"
517
00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:55,151
he kept driving.
518
00:27:58,677 --> 00:27:59,895
Next thing I remember,
519
00:27:59,939 --> 00:28:02,768
I mean, I just started
screaming, freaking out.
520
00:28:02,811 --> 00:28:06,946
Next stop sign I jump outta
the car, run home, tell my dad.
521
00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:08,251
I could see right away.
522
00:28:08,295 --> 00:28:09,818
I knew somethin' was wrong.
523
00:28:10,863 --> 00:28:11,951
I called the cops.
524
00:28:20,307 --> 00:28:21,874
- Oh, I remember Wayne
Ritchie very well.
525
00:28:21,917 --> 00:28:23,745
It was my second
year as a teacher.
526
00:28:23,789 --> 00:28:26,356
Wayne was not a
very good student
527
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,315
and his heart wasn't in it,
528
00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:31,274
never really got in a
whole lot of trouble.
529
00:28:31,318 --> 00:28:33,494
He just didn't do much
while he was here.
530
00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:36,976
- Obviously he has
somethin' wrong.
531
00:28:38,368 --> 00:28:39,892
- It was a little awkward
because he would come.
532
00:28:39,935 --> 00:28:41,502
He was not a student here,
533
00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:44,853
but he would come up and even
enter the building at times.
534
00:28:44,897 --> 00:28:47,595
So we ran him off on
a number of occasions.
535
00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:50,163
- I didn't think taking a
ride with them was a big deal,
536
00:28:50,206 --> 00:28:54,645
until he had that look that,
I mean, it was just blank.
537
00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:55,908
There was nothing there.
538
00:28:57,474 --> 00:29:00,956
- I think it was just a
big infatuation on his part
539
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,262
that had gotten to a point
540
00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:05,395
that it was probably
not healthy anymore.
541
00:29:05,439 --> 00:29:07,963
I never thought he was capable
542
00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:12,185
of hurting someone
until that day.
543
00:29:12,228 --> 00:29:14,056
His intentions
weren't good.
544
00:29:15,971 --> 00:29:18,539
- Now, Wayne, he
did have an uncle
545
00:29:18,582 --> 00:29:20,671
or a cousin that was
on the police force,
546
00:29:20,715 --> 00:29:21,934
tried to make it look like it
547
00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:24,197
was an innocent
misunderstanding.
548
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,415
Of course, it went away
549
00:29:25,459 --> 00:29:29,419
and Terra's dad was
pretty upset about that.
550
00:29:29,463 --> 00:29:32,771
- What I remember what
the cops did was nothing.
551
00:29:35,077 --> 00:29:37,297
I mean, with
Emily and Sarah Winston
552
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,038
both missin' so close
to his property,
553
00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:42,258
that's just too much
of a coincidence.
554
00:29:44,739 --> 00:29:45,696
So yeah, you're damn right,
555
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,176
I wanna talk to Wayne Ritchie.
556
00:29:57,491 --> 00:29:59,754
Mr. Ritchie,
do you have a minute?
557
00:30:01,712 --> 00:30:03,105
No, I got nothin' to say, so.
558
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,264
The Lopez's?
559
00:30:31,307 --> 00:30:33,483
Wait, wait, wait!
560
00:30:33,527 --> 00:30:34,615
- I can't talk right now.
- No, no, just,
561
00:30:34,658 --> 00:30:36,399
I gotta go.
562
00:30:36,443 --> 00:30:38,445
Leave me alone.
563
00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:43,145
Did you get that?
564
00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:47,758
Wayne's mention of
the Lopez's led us
565
00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:50,413
to a third missing
persons case connected
566
00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:52,372
to the Howard's property.
567
00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:55,201
In 1977 a family of
migrant workers vanished,
568
00:30:55,244 --> 00:30:57,768
leaving behind their
nine-year-old son, Daniel.
569
00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:00,946
My uncle cried out.
570
00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:02,425
I looked up and he was gone.
571
00:31:04,688 --> 00:31:08,867
Then my father, he fell,
572
00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:11,478
dropped straight to the ground.
573
00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:13,784
He was reachin' up
for my mother's dress
574
00:31:13,828 --> 00:31:17,919
when he was goin' down and
then she was gone, too.
575
00:31:33,935 --> 00:31:36,155
Are you
familiar with the Lopez's?
576
00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:37,765
No, I don't believe so.
577
00:31:39,201 --> 00:31:42,944
- In the '70s they started
entering migrant workers
578
00:31:42,988 --> 00:31:45,555
here to work the tobacco
field 'cause they couldn't
579
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:46,861
get other people to work.
580
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:50,778
- The Howard's had
foreign farm hands
581
00:31:50,821 --> 00:31:52,693
come in before anybody else did.
582
00:31:52,736 --> 00:31:54,695
- He used a lot of
'em, Mr. Howard.
583
00:31:54,738 --> 00:31:56,827
He used a lot of 'em
throughout the years.
584
00:32:00,005 --> 00:32:01,528
You remember
the Lopez case?
585
00:32:01,571 --> 00:32:03,051
Mm hm, yeah.
586
00:32:04,226 --> 00:32:07,273
They left a abandoned
little boy, I think.
587
00:32:07,316 --> 00:32:08,665
Left a little boy
at 10 years old,
588
00:32:08,709 --> 00:32:10,232
nine years old,
somethin' like that.
589
00:32:10,276 --> 00:32:12,974
- His family went missin' and
we took them in for awhile
590
00:32:13,018 --> 00:32:17,196
and we were hopin' that
his family would come back
591
00:32:17,239 --> 00:32:19,938
but they never did.
592
00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:23,158
The county came and got him
and sent him back to Illinois.
593
00:32:23,202 --> 00:32:24,551
It's really sad though,
594
00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:28,033
that his family
left him like that.
595
00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:29,382
- I just had a
hard time believin'
596
00:32:29,425 --> 00:32:32,037
that they ever would
abandon their son.
597
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,299
They were such a
tight knit family.
598
00:32:33,342 --> 00:32:35,257
- Do you have a case
file I could look at?
599
00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:37,825
I don't, no.
600
00:32:37,868 --> 00:32:40,132
That was Jennings case
and he's passed on now.
601
00:32:40,175 --> 00:32:42,003
So, I'm sure there's
something in the archive.
602
00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:42,830
We can go look it up.
603
00:32:56,626 --> 00:32:58,585
I'm Helen Jennings.
604
00:32:58,628 --> 00:33:00,717
David Jennings was my husband.
605
00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,331
What did he do?
606
00:33:05,374 --> 00:33:08,508
- He was on the police
force here in Springfield.
607
00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:12,903
He was on the force,
gosh, for 40 years plus
608
00:33:12,947 --> 00:33:17,169
and he was promoted to
detective in '69, 1969, I think.
609
00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:21,782
Is there a lot of
detective work in this town?
610
00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:23,262
It seems pretty quiet.
611
00:33:23,305 --> 00:33:25,307
- Well, it does, but
you'd be surprised.
612
00:33:25,351 --> 00:33:29,485
We had a lot of crime
here, including murders.
613
00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:32,314
Any cases that
stood out in particular?
614
00:33:32,358 --> 00:33:33,968
Oh yes, absolutely.
615
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,275
It was the Lopez case.
616
00:33:36,318 --> 00:33:38,103
It just got under his skin more
617
00:33:38,146 --> 00:33:40,714
than anything else
he ever worked on.
618
00:33:40,757 --> 00:33:43,630
They never found any
trace of the family,
619
00:33:43,673 --> 00:33:45,806
they left everything behind.
620
00:33:45,849 --> 00:33:49,462
The boy even said, "They
disappeared into the earth."
621
00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:51,551
Did he
believe Daniel's story
622
00:33:51,594 --> 00:33:53,596
about being sucked
into the earth?
623
00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:58,775
- He believed there was a
logical explanation to it.
624
00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:01,213
He investigated
sinkholes, earthquakes,
625
00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:03,824
anything that he could find
626
00:34:03,867 --> 00:34:06,131
that would prove
the boy's story,
627
00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:10,787
but sad as it was, the Lopez
family abandoned Daniel.
628
00:34:14,878 --> 00:34:17,272
We were able to
track down Daniel Lopez,
629
00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,579
who is now living in
Raleigh, North Carolina.
630
00:34:24,453 --> 00:34:25,280
Daniel?
631
00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:26,368
- Yes.
- Hey, Dwight.
632
00:34:26,412 --> 00:34:27,717
Hey, how you doin'?
633
00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:28,849
- This is Kaiser
- Kaiser, nice to meet you.
634
00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:30,111
- and Charlie.
- Pleasure, pleasure.
635
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:31,852
- How's it goin'?
- You ready to talk?
636
00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:32,679
Yeah, yeah.
637
00:34:32,722 --> 00:34:33,506
Come on in.
638
00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:34,724
All right.
639
00:34:34,768 --> 00:34:35,725
Come on.
640
00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:41,514
Let's
start with you tellin'
641
00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:43,168
us who your parents were.
642
00:34:43,211 --> 00:34:44,821
My parents were migrants.
643
00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:46,084
We all traveled together.
644
00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:50,305
- So what brought you and
your family to Howard's Mill?
645
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:53,526
- Howard's Mill was
a big tobacco farm.
646
00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:55,919
We spent many months there.
647
00:34:55,963 --> 00:34:58,052
- Do you remember a man
named Wayne Ritchie?
648
00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,401
He lived nearby.
649
00:34:59,445 --> 00:35:01,186
We spent some time together.
650
00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:02,839
We didn't have much in common,
651
00:35:02,883 --> 00:35:07,409
but neither of us really
was around other kids.
652
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:09,716
- Tell us about the,
what you remember
653
00:35:09,759 --> 00:35:12,153
about the day your
family disappeared.
654
00:35:12,197 --> 00:35:14,634
It was late afternoon.
655
00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:15,678
I was about,
656
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:20,030
20 steps from the old barn.
657
00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:25,558
My family was out in the fields,
loading up the pickup truck
658
00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:26,776
with the day's crop.
659
00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:30,171
Can you
describe that field?
660
00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:33,131
- It was directly
behind the house.
661
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:36,482
The ground dipped down
662
00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:40,747
and started to spring
right back up into a ridge.
663
00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:44,403
They were about
halfway up the hill,
664
00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:48,711
maybe about 100 to 150
yards from the house.
665
00:35:48,755 --> 00:35:50,278
My uncle cried out.
666
00:35:50,322 --> 00:35:51,888
I looked up and he was gone.
667
00:35:54,021 --> 00:35:55,979
Then my father,
668
00:35:57,285 --> 00:36:00,854
he fell, dropped
straight to the ground.
669
00:36:00,897 --> 00:36:02,551
- He-
- You remember it that well?
670
00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:10,255
- Yeah, you can't forget
something like that.
671
00:36:12,257 --> 00:36:13,910
I got scared, so I ran.
672
00:36:15,303 --> 00:36:17,218
Went back to the last spot
where I saw my family.
673
00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:21,788
After awhile, a police
officer came and got me.
674
00:36:25,574 --> 00:36:27,141
I'm gonna show you something.
675
00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:30,840
This video was taken in 1994.
676
00:36:33,452 --> 00:36:34,714
I'm gonna go play.
677
00:36:34,757 --> 00:36:35,932
All right
honey, love you.
678
00:36:35,976 --> 00:36:37,107
- Be careful up there.
- Love you, Dad.
679
00:36:37,151 --> 00:36:38,021
All
right, love you too.
680
00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:38,805
You didn't like
681
00:36:38,848 --> 00:36:39,762
that she didn't stay.
682
00:36:39,806 --> 00:36:40,676
I don't think I do.
683
00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:43,157
Look how far
she's running in her boots.
684
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,114
Oh my goodness, honey.
685
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:45,028
Birthday boots.
686
00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:46,204
- She's fast.
- Whoops.
687
00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,207
Yeah, yes.
688
00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:53,036
That's exactly what happened.
689
00:36:56,866 --> 00:36:58,694
Her name is Sarah Winston.
690
00:36:58,738 --> 00:37:00,479
Okay.
691
00:37:00,522 --> 00:37:02,002
Daniel, she's still missing.
692
00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:03,569
Nothing was ever found except
693
00:37:03,612 --> 00:37:04,831
for that pink and white hair bow
694
00:37:04,874 --> 00:37:07,225
that you can see
in the recording.
695
00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:10,010
That same hair bow was
found 10 years later,
696
00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:11,229
floating in a pond
that was built
697
00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:13,013
on the site of
her disappearance.
698
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:24,285
- So, Dwight is out
there marking a location
699
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:27,636
where the Lopez's were working,
700
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,511
and we're about 20
steps from the old barn,
701
00:37:32,554 --> 00:37:34,382
which would put
Daniel right here.
702
00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:36,906
Hey, how's it goin' out there?
703
00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:40,867
- Well, based on
Daniel's account,
704
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,261
this is the spot where
the family disappeared.
705
00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:46,786
The family was gathering
supplies right here
706
00:37:46,829 --> 00:37:50,311
where I'm standing and guy's,
707
00:37:50,355 --> 00:37:51,921
looking around I don't
see any obstacles
708
00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:55,273
or anything that you can hop on.
709
00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:57,884
So, how fast do
you think it would take to get
710
00:37:57,927 --> 00:38:00,234
to the tree line
right behind you?
711
00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:03,237
- Well, I mean, if you
were running really fast,
712
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:04,456
maybe 20, 30 seconds.
713
00:38:06,196 --> 00:38:07,894
So, if Daniel
looked down for a second
714
00:38:07,937 --> 00:38:11,071
they could have easily
ran towards those trees.
715
00:38:11,114 --> 00:38:13,421
- I mean, it's possible,
but there are plenty
716
00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:15,641
of easier ways of abandoning
your kid than just waiting
717
00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:18,296
for him to look down and
then running to some trees.
718
00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:20,950
Yeah, he's right.
719
00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:26,478
Emily
disappeared here.
720
00:38:27,957 --> 00:38:31,700
- And Lopez's over there up
that ridge about 100 yards.
721
00:38:33,006 --> 00:38:36,879
- Yeah, and then Sarah
Winston disappeared
722
00:38:36,923 --> 00:38:38,490
over this region, near the pond.
723
00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:41,928
We're talkin' three
different disappearances,
724
00:38:41,971 --> 00:38:43,625
all on the same property.
725
00:39:38,854 --> 00:39:39,986
To get a better idea
726
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:42,684
of the geological
layout of Howard's Mill,
727
00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:45,295
we visited the Robertson
County Archives.
728
00:39:52,041 --> 00:39:55,088
- We've got all their
names on the back side.
729
00:39:55,131 --> 00:39:56,916
- Okay.
- Yes.
730
00:39:56,959 --> 00:40:01,964
Okay, so Howard's
Mill should be there.
731
00:40:04,532 --> 00:40:05,968
Wow.
732
00:40:06,012 --> 00:40:10,843
- So that bounds up to
Highway 11 and mile marker 42.
733
00:40:13,715 --> 00:40:15,500
Hm, that is really interesting.
734
00:40:15,543 --> 00:40:18,111
You notice it's a triangular
piece of property.
735
00:40:18,154 --> 00:40:20,461
You seldom ever find
triangular pieces
736
00:40:20,505 --> 00:40:23,377
of property like
that one anymore.
737
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:24,465
Yeah, I see that.
738
00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:25,466
Are there any other properties
739
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:27,903
like that here in Springfield?
740
00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:28,687
I doubt it.
741
00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:35,868
- Originally, it
was Pickett's Mill.
742
00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:37,391
It was named after John Pickett
743
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:38,479
who was the man who built it.
744
00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:39,480
John was born in Virginia
745
00:40:39,524 --> 00:40:43,266
and he and Thomas Kilgore
746
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:46,444
established Cross Plains,
Tennessee near the Red River.
747
00:40:46,487 --> 00:40:51,405
About three years after that,
John and his wife, Hannah,
748
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:54,452
moved three miles to the
east and built the mill.
749
00:40:54,495 --> 00:40:57,498
In 1971, the Howard's
came into town
750
00:40:57,542 --> 00:41:00,066
from St. Louis and they bought
751
00:41:00,109 --> 00:41:02,895
the mill from one Marty Lewis.
752
00:41:02,938 --> 00:41:04,984
That's L-E-W-I-S Lewis.
753
00:41:05,027 --> 00:41:10,032
And she was a direct descendant
of the Pickett family.
754
00:41:11,207 --> 00:41:12,426
Are you aware
of any disappearances
755
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,472
that have happened
on the property?
756
00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:16,517
You mean, Grant Pickett?
757
00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:20,913
Grant Pickett vanished in
plain sight of his family.
758
00:41:20,956 --> 00:41:24,351
Story goes that he was
working in his field
759
00:41:24,394 --> 00:41:27,702
and his son who was
climbing a tree fell out
760
00:41:27,746 --> 00:41:30,749
of the tree and broke his
arm and he started screaming.
761
00:41:30,792 --> 00:41:34,883
So, Grant goes running toward
his son and his wife, Mary,
762
00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:37,059
who was in the house,
goes running as well.
763
00:41:37,103 --> 00:41:38,496
Mary is closer.
764
00:41:38,539 --> 00:41:41,368
She gets to the boy first
and as Grant Pickett
765
00:41:41,411 --> 00:41:46,068
is running toward his wife and
screaming child, he vanished.
766
00:41:47,461 --> 00:41:48,549
Never heard from again.
767
00:41:49,768 --> 00:41:50,638
Do you
believe this story?
768
00:41:56,426 --> 00:41:59,168
- So this book should
contain the current deed
769
00:42:00,735 --> 00:42:02,389
for Ms. Rebecca Howard.
770
00:42:03,346 --> 00:42:04,913
All right, here we go.
771
00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:08,438
So, it is currently
Rebecca Howard's property
772
00:42:08,482 --> 00:42:10,092
to do with her as she places.
773
00:42:10,136 --> 00:42:13,792
Now, I've heard a rumor that
Ms. Rebecca wrote a will
774
00:42:13,835 --> 00:42:16,185
and that it says
that she's given
775
00:42:16,229 --> 00:42:18,884
this land to the
city at her death.
776
00:42:18,927 --> 00:42:21,626
- So, the city has no
jurisdiction over the land?
777
00:42:21,669 --> 00:42:24,803
- That is owned by
Rebecca Howard, period.
778
00:42:44,866 --> 00:42:45,650
You got it?
779
00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:46,520
Good.
780
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:47,434
Heck yeah.
781
00:42:47,477 --> 00:42:48,391
All right, thank you.
782
00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:57,575
Got something here.
783
00:42:57,618 --> 00:42:58,663
Be careful.
784
00:42:58,706 --> 00:42:59,751
- A lot of glass.
- What is that?
785
00:42:59,794 --> 00:43:00,665
Yeah.
786
00:43:00,708 --> 00:43:02,057
It's the Howards.
787
00:43:09,369 --> 00:43:10,500
You guys see this door?
788
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:13,765
It locks from the outside.
789
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,208
We've got some kids'
clothes over here.
790
00:43:22,251 --> 00:43:25,254
I thought the
Howard's didn't have any kids.
791
00:43:25,298 --> 00:43:27,343
- I thought they didn't
have any kids either.
792
00:43:33,654 --> 00:43:37,789
Again, here we are.
793
00:43:37,832 --> 00:43:39,225
Same thing.
794
00:43:39,268 --> 00:43:41,619
Lock is on the
outside of the door.
795
00:43:46,275 --> 00:43:47,886
Oh, God, it's a door.
796
00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:06,339
Gives me the creeps.
797
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:29,623
Wait a
minute, wait a minute.
798
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:30,450
I got somethin'.
799
00:44:30,493 --> 00:44:31,669
What?
800
00:44:35,411 --> 00:44:36,456
What is this?
801
00:44:38,197 --> 00:44:39,111
A box?
802
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:45,334
It's
like a music box.
803
00:44:47,597 --> 00:44:49,121
Then I've got a box here.
804
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,085
Wait, wait, I got somethin'.
805
00:45:00,349 --> 00:45:03,091
- Pictures.
- It's pictures.
806
00:45:03,135 --> 00:45:05,659
It's a
little girl
807
00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,139
Who is she?
808
00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:08,096
I don't know.
809
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:25,200
I thought the
Howard's didn't have any kids?
810
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,337
I thought they
didn't have any kids either.
811
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:35,384
- I don't remember the
Howard's having any kids.
812
00:45:38,387 --> 00:45:43,392
- Yeah, I think they did have
some kids, a boy I believe.
813
00:45:44,872 --> 00:45:48,615
But again, they had a lot
of farm hands over there.
814
00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:51,313
So, it could've
been one of them.
815
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:55,404
- I can remember one time
my old truck broke down
816
00:45:55,448 --> 00:45:57,406
out close to their farm,
817
00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:59,713
and they were nice
and kind enough
818
00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:01,584
to let me use their phone
819
00:46:01,628 --> 00:46:03,543
and I think I remember a girl
820
00:46:03,586 --> 00:46:04,849
bein' there but I don't recall
821
00:46:04,892 --> 00:46:07,765
them ever mentionin'
her name or anything.
822
00:46:07,808 --> 00:46:10,506
Like I said, that
was back in the '70s.
823
00:46:12,508 --> 00:46:13,945
- I know I wasn't, I
wasn't able to find
824
00:46:13,988 --> 00:46:16,164
any records that the
Howard's had a baby.
825
00:46:16,208 --> 00:46:17,557
Given this is a rural area,
826
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,950
it's pretty common
that a lot of people
827
00:46:18,993 --> 00:46:20,778
had children at home.
828
00:46:24,259 --> 00:46:26,827
After trying to
reach Rebecca Howard by Phone,
829
00:46:26,871 --> 00:46:28,046
we decided to make the drive
830
00:46:28,089 --> 00:46:29,569
to St. Louis to
see her in person.
831
00:46:33,965 --> 00:46:36,271
- So, the Howard's had
a kid also went missin',
832
00:46:36,315 --> 00:46:38,404
or at least nobody can find him.
833
00:46:38,447 --> 00:46:39,797
So, what does that mean?
834
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,018
- I don't know what that
means for Emily yet,
835
00:46:44,062 --> 00:46:46,629
but between Sarah,
the Lopez's and this,
836
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,807
it makes me wonder how
big this thing can get.
837
00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:01,601
After the Lopez incident,
838
00:47:02,732 --> 00:47:04,473
the house didn't feel
like home anymore.
839
00:47:04,517 --> 00:47:07,476
It felt cold, soulless.
840
00:47:09,957 --> 00:47:13,439
I started feelin' like
people were watchin' me.
841
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:18,270
There's been a recurrent theme
842
00:47:18,313 --> 00:47:20,794
in a lot of the
sightings in the area
843
00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:24,580
from people who really have
no contact with one another
844
00:47:24,624 --> 00:47:29,629
and that is of these
tall, slender figures who are watching.
845
00:47:30,499 --> 00:47:31,936
They call 'em the Watchers.
846
00:47:31,979 --> 00:47:34,852
People have seen them on the
perimeter of their fields.
847
00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:38,159
People have seen them in
their barns, in the haylofts.
848
00:47:39,334 --> 00:47:42,120
- They were all lined
up on the horizon.
849
00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:53,435
I called Glynis a miracle.
850
00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:58,397
We tried for 15 years, prayed.
851
00:47:59,877 --> 00:48:03,402
I was nearly 40 when I
found out I was expecting.
852
00:48:07,536 --> 00:48:10,365
She was playin'
like she always was.
853
00:48:11,976 --> 00:48:14,021
I went down to tell
her supper was ready.
854
00:48:15,414 --> 00:48:17,111
It seemed like she
was talkin' to someone
855
00:48:17,155 --> 00:48:19,592
but there wasn't anyone there.
856
00:48:21,637 --> 00:48:25,163
Just before I got to
her, the lights went out.
857
00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:31,169
But then there was this
sort of different light.
858
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:36,261
I yelled for her.
859
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,704
They were tellin' me to leave,
860
00:48:46,358 --> 00:48:49,578
like that land was
theirs, not mind.
861
00:48:52,103 --> 00:48:56,455
I thought if I did
what they said,
862
00:48:56,498 --> 00:48:58,022
they'd bring her back to me.
863
00:49:04,376 --> 00:49:06,856
So in 1988, a
young girl was found wandering
864
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:08,554
outside the Howard's property.
865
00:49:08,597 --> 00:49:10,077
Right.
866
00:49:10,121 --> 00:49:11,992
She was claiming
that she was Glynis Howard.
867
00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:13,037
Do you remember that case?
868
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,299
I remember the case.
869
00:49:14,342 --> 00:49:16,605
Now, it wasn't my case,
but I do remember it.
870
00:49:16,649 --> 00:49:18,825
It was pretty standard, really.
871
00:49:18,868 --> 00:49:20,740
A missing girl.
872
00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:24,048
It's a shame though,
nobody came claimin' her.
873
00:49:34,362 --> 00:49:36,190
- No one here now
was here back then
874
00:49:36,234 --> 00:49:40,325
but I was able to find
a little info for you.
875
00:49:40,368 --> 00:49:43,719
We have anywhere from 10
to 15 kids here at a time.
876
00:49:43,763 --> 00:49:47,985
Glynis was here for two months.
877
00:49:49,551 --> 00:49:53,860
She came with a kind of
a sad story back in 1988.
878
00:49:53,903 --> 00:49:55,818
Didn't know much about herself
879
00:49:55,862 --> 00:49:58,996
and our records show
she didn't talk much.
880
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,260
Someone found her walkin'
down the road barefoot
881
00:50:02,303 --> 00:50:07,308
and nobody had reported any
missing children at the time
882
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,137
and nobody came
forward to claim her
883
00:50:10,181 --> 00:50:13,010
and she did say her
name was Glynis Howard.
884
00:50:14,098 --> 00:50:15,925
- We checked out
the Howard's house.
885
00:50:15,969 --> 00:50:17,101
It was about a mile
886
00:50:17,144 --> 00:50:18,624
from where the girl
was picked up at there,
887
00:50:18,667 --> 00:50:20,713
and they hadn't been there,
888
00:50:20,756 --> 00:50:22,802
I guess probably 10
years at that point.
889
00:50:22,845 --> 00:50:27,459
So, I mean, it's common enough,
last name Howard, but no.
890
00:50:29,287 --> 00:50:31,854
Oh, yeah.
891
00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:33,204
Yeah, I remember that.
892
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,642
Real sad story.
893
00:50:36,685 --> 00:50:40,950
Got a call about a kid
walking down the street alone,
894
00:50:40,994 --> 00:50:43,736
pulled up in my car,
checked her out.
895
00:50:43,779 --> 00:50:47,783
She was in really bad shape,
barefoot, unkempt hair,
896
00:50:47,827 --> 00:50:49,742
looked like she hadn't
eaten in a week.
897
00:50:51,091 --> 00:50:52,310
Do you know
if she was related
898
00:50:52,353 --> 00:50:53,833
to anybody in town?
899
00:50:53,876 --> 00:50:54,790
Nothing.
900
00:50:54,834 --> 00:50:56,749
Nobody reported anybody missing.
901
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,882
Not much more I
could do beyond that.
902
00:51:01,362 --> 00:51:03,886
- The last time we heard
anything about Glynis,
903
00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:07,107
she had been placed with
a good foster family
904
00:51:07,151 --> 00:51:09,544
and they decided to give
her a permanent home.
905
00:51:09,588 --> 00:51:12,243
This story had a
very happy ending.
906
00:51:14,593 --> 00:51:15,855
Well, I only can give
907
00:51:15,898 --> 00:51:18,553
you what's non-confidential
information.
908
00:51:18,597 --> 00:51:22,340
She was in our care facility
for a short amount of time
909
00:51:22,383 --> 00:51:23,602
and then she was placed
910
00:51:23,645 --> 00:51:25,908
with a foster family by
the name of Lasseter.
911
00:51:27,562 --> 00:51:29,608
Okay, here's what we know.
912
00:51:29,651 --> 00:51:33,699
In 1979, the Howard's
left Springfield
913
00:51:33,742 --> 00:51:35,657
and according to
everyone who remembers,
914
00:51:35,701 --> 00:51:37,398
that house remained
empty ever since.
915
00:51:37,442 --> 00:51:40,619
Then in 1988 this little
girl shows up claimin'
916
00:51:40,662 --> 00:51:41,881
her last name is Howard,
917
00:51:41,924 --> 00:51:43,535
but the Howard's
didn't have any kids.
918
00:51:43,578 --> 00:51:46,059
And if they did have a daughter,
she would have to be what?
919
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,192
11, 12 years old by 1988.
920
00:51:48,235 --> 00:51:49,932
So, the dates just don't add up.
921
00:51:49,976 --> 00:51:53,066
I mean, if this really
is the Howard's daughter.
922
00:51:53,110 --> 00:51:55,938
- I say we find her, ask
her some more questions.
923
00:51:56,896 --> 00:51:57,940
Hi.
924
00:52:01,205 --> 00:52:02,380
Look at mommy!
925
00:52:02,423 --> 00:52:04,208
Behave
like a little lady.
926
00:52:04,251 --> 00:52:06,340
You are six years old.
927
00:52:06,384 --> 00:52:07,907
Stop jumping on that couch.
928
00:52:10,214 --> 00:52:12,912
So, how
was she as a child?
929
00:52:12,955 --> 00:52:15,175
- Oh, she was very
special child.
930
00:52:15,219 --> 00:52:18,091
Yeah, smart, funny.
931
00:52:18,135 --> 00:52:19,745
You couldn't ask for
a better daughter.
932
00:52:19,788 --> 00:52:24,141
Sweet, sweet as could be,
but we knew right away.
933
00:52:24,184 --> 00:52:26,969
We just knew that we were
meant to be a family.
934
00:52:27,013 --> 00:52:28,710
That's all I can tell you.
935
00:52:28,754 --> 00:52:29,581
1989.
936
00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:34,238
And that's whose birthday?
937
00:52:34,281 --> 00:52:35,108
Mine.
938
00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:36,588
Yours?
939
00:52:36,631 --> 00:52:37,806
Is it your birthday?
940
00:52:39,068 --> 00:52:39,895
Huh?
941
00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:41,897
Wow.
942
00:52:41,941 --> 00:52:43,334
What have you been doing today?
943
00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:49,601
If you don't
mind for the camera,
944
00:52:49,644 --> 00:52:52,647
would you tell us your full
first name and last name?
945
00:52:52,691 --> 00:52:54,910
It's Glynis Williams.
946
00:52:54,954 --> 00:52:58,479
Williams is my married name,
I got married last summer.
947
00:52:59,741 --> 00:53:01,134
So, tell
us a little bit
948
00:53:01,178 --> 00:53:02,483
about your life growin' up.
949
00:53:05,704 --> 00:53:07,227
Well, I'm happy to tell you
950
00:53:07,271 --> 00:53:09,708
the story I told
everybody else back then
951
00:53:09,751 --> 00:53:13,364
but I was little was little,
952
00:53:13,407 --> 00:53:14,452
I was really little, though.
953
00:53:14,495 --> 00:53:17,455
So, I think memories can change.
954
00:53:18,978 --> 00:53:19,805
But,
955
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,421
I was playing inside.
956
00:53:28,466 --> 00:53:30,685
I mostly only played inside,
957
00:53:30,729 --> 00:53:34,298
and somehow I ran out.
958
00:53:34,341 --> 00:53:35,995
I don't know if I was
chasing something or...
959
00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:39,477
It's not really clear but
I got all turned around
960
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,653
and I couldn't find my way back.
961
00:53:41,696 --> 00:53:45,091
Now it kind of
feels like a dream,
962
00:53:45,134 --> 00:53:48,486
like pieces don't really fit,
963
00:53:48,529 --> 00:53:51,663
but you swear it was real.
964
00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:53,012
Swear it really happened.
965
00:53:54,274 --> 00:53:55,057
And,
966
00:53:58,191 --> 00:53:59,714
yeah, I must've walked for,
967
00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:02,326
I walked for a really long time
968
00:54:02,369 --> 00:54:04,328
and then I think
someone drove by
969
00:54:04,371 --> 00:54:06,068
and they called the police.
970
00:54:07,722 --> 00:54:08,897
Glynis,
do you remember why
971
00:54:08,941 --> 00:54:09,855
you said your last
name was Howard?
972
00:54:09,898 --> 00:54:12,161
I thought it was.
973
00:54:12,205 --> 00:54:13,032
I thought it was.
974
00:54:15,382 --> 00:54:16,296
Even now when I hear it,
975
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:19,560
it still sounds like my name.
976
00:54:20,909 --> 00:54:21,693
Feels natural?
977
00:54:21,736 --> 00:54:22,563
Yeah.
978
00:54:24,696 --> 00:54:26,567
Do you
remember your parents?
979
00:54:29,396 --> 00:54:30,310
No, not really.
980
00:54:30,354 --> 00:54:33,357
I remember my dad.
981
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,923
I remember my dad a little bit.
982
00:54:39,406 --> 00:54:41,843
And people told me about
the real Howard family,
983
00:54:45,412 --> 00:54:47,588
started to talk to me
about it and told me
984
00:54:47,632 --> 00:54:50,112
that there was no way
I could be their kid.
985
00:54:50,156 --> 00:54:51,375
That even if they had a kid,
986
00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:53,072
it was impossible I
could even be theirs
987
00:54:53,115 --> 00:54:55,509
because of my age and the
time they lived in the house,
988
00:54:55,553 --> 00:54:57,032
timelines and stuff.
989
00:54:57,076 --> 00:54:58,469
And it just, nothing that
would make sense to me,
990
00:54:58,512 --> 00:55:00,079
a little kid.
991
00:55:00,122 --> 00:55:04,649
A big, big part of me always
felt like I was Glynis Howard.
992
00:55:05,824 --> 00:55:09,523
And so, when I was 16
I actually looked up
993
00:55:09,567 --> 00:55:11,569
the real Howard
family, called 'em up.
994
00:55:11,612 --> 00:55:13,875
And I thought if we
could see each other
995
00:55:13,919 --> 00:55:15,399
it would clear everything up.
996
00:55:15,442 --> 00:55:17,052
- You know?
- Yeah.
997
00:55:17,096 --> 00:55:21,230
- People would believe
me, but I was wrong.
998
00:55:22,231 --> 00:55:23,624
I had never seen them before.
999
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:28,542
I've pretty much given
up on that dream.
1000
00:55:30,283 --> 00:55:35,288
I used to have this fantasy
that my real parents,
1001
00:55:36,855 --> 00:55:39,727
my birth parents would
come back for me.
1002
00:55:42,034 --> 00:55:43,818
Like they didn't abandon me.
1003
00:55:43,862 --> 00:55:46,343
They just, lost in an
accident or somethin'.
1004
00:55:51,043 --> 00:55:52,610
I used to have a lot
of fantasies back then,
1005
00:55:55,917 --> 00:55:59,443
that I was a princess
or a time traveler.
1006
00:56:01,923 --> 00:56:02,707
- Yeah, to makes sense
- Right there.
1007
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:04,404
of all the...
1008
00:56:04,448 --> 00:56:05,449
- Craziness?
- Very, very pretty.
1009
00:56:05,492 --> 00:56:06,754
- Yeah, make sense
- Okay.
1010
00:56:06,798 --> 00:56:08,321
- of all the missing pieces.
- Too close.
1011
00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:10,497
I would just...
1012
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,719
I always wanted to
be somethin' special.
1013
00:56:14,762 --> 00:56:15,937
Speakin'
of missing pieces,
1014
00:56:15,981 --> 00:56:17,983
I've got somethin'
that I wanna show you.
1015
00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:22,988
- Do you-
- I know this.
1016
00:56:23,031 --> 00:56:23,945
- You recognize that box?
- Yeah.
1017
00:56:23,989 --> 00:56:24,816
I...
1018
00:56:27,732 --> 00:56:29,168
We found that
in the Howard's house.
1019
00:56:29,211 --> 00:56:31,083
It was buried with
some other things.
1020
00:56:34,782 --> 00:56:36,001
Yeah, I...
1021
00:56:36,044 --> 00:56:38,046
This was, I remember this.
1022
00:56:39,265 --> 00:56:42,181
I think you wind it
on the bottom here.
1023
00:56:43,574 --> 00:56:44,401
Yeah.
1024
00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:51,408
Oh my gosh.
1025
00:56:59,285 --> 00:57:01,026
That's crazy.
1026
00:57:01,069 --> 00:57:01,896
I...
1027
00:57:03,898 --> 00:57:04,899
Yeah, this was...
1028
00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:12,559
This was mine.
1029
00:57:18,739 --> 00:57:21,394
Why would they
bury all of her things here?
1030
00:57:24,571 --> 00:57:25,790
I don't know.
1031
00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:27,008
What do you think?
1032
00:57:27,052 --> 00:57:28,401
I don't know.
1033
00:57:33,885 --> 00:57:37,018
Is she really a
lost child of the Howard's?
1034
00:57:37,062 --> 00:57:39,412
As intriguing as
that theory sounds,
1035
00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:42,633
we needed to focus on the
more plausible explanations.
1036
00:57:42,676 --> 00:57:44,504
Have fun
on your big day.
1037
00:57:44,548 --> 00:57:46,245
Happy birthday.
1038
00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:47,725
Who, me?
1039
00:57:48,943 --> 00:57:50,336
During
our investigation,
1040
00:57:50,379 --> 00:57:52,469
Dwight was called back
in for questioning,
1041
00:57:52,512 --> 00:57:55,472
as more evidence of his possible
involvement was discovered.
1042
00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:58,300
Do you know this man?
1043
00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:02,391
I don't believe so.
1044
00:58:02,435 --> 00:58:03,784
Edward Baker.
1045
00:58:05,612 --> 00:58:06,570
Yeah, yeah.
1046
00:58:07,788 --> 00:58:09,094
Sure, I'm sorry, yeah.
1047
00:58:09,137 --> 00:58:11,575
- Were you aware that
your wife knew him?
1048
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:14,708
- Yeah, they would
hustle together.
1049
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:18,712
Edward Baker was born
1050
00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:20,932
and raised in
Springfield, Tennessee,
1051
00:58:20,975 --> 00:58:23,064
and was a close
childhood friend of Emily
1052
00:58:23,108 --> 00:58:24,631
and their friendship
turned into something more
1053
00:58:24,675 --> 00:58:26,677
when they dated
throughout high school.
1054
00:58:29,157 --> 00:58:30,681
They were sweet together.
1055
00:58:30,724 --> 00:58:32,944
I thought they were
the perfect pair.
1056
00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:34,598
They seemed pretty cute.
1057
00:58:34,641 --> 00:58:38,950
Very flirtatious around each
other, high school sweetheart.
1058
00:58:38,993 --> 00:58:41,518
- Eddie was two
years ahead of us.
1059
00:58:41,561 --> 00:58:43,171
Yeah, they were always together.
1060
00:58:45,609 --> 00:58:50,614
- When she went off to college,
they broke up unfortunately.
1061
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:52,964
They tried the
long distance relationship,
1062
00:58:53,007 --> 00:58:54,313
but it just didn't work out.
1063
00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:55,575
So, when
she came back here,
1064
00:58:55,619 --> 00:58:57,534
they started hanging out again?
1065
00:58:57,577 --> 00:58:59,144
- Yeah, I mean, he
worked a few blocks away
1066
00:58:59,187 --> 00:59:02,147
in this office building
over here down on Eighth
1067
00:59:02,190 --> 00:59:05,933
and he'd come by for
lunch or just to visit.
1068
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:09,981
- When Emily moved back
to take care of her mom,
1069
00:59:10,024 --> 00:59:13,201
of course Edward came around
and we hung out with everybody.
1070
00:59:13,245 --> 00:59:15,203
So, it wasn't unusual
for him to be around.
1071
00:59:15,247 --> 00:59:16,814
- They still hang
out time to time.
1072
00:59:16,857 --> 00:59:18,337
I'm not sure if
Dwight knows about it,
1073
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:20,339
but I mean, it's
just a friendship.
1074
00:59:20,382 --> 00:59:23,516
Everybody knows that.
1075
00:59:24,822 --> 00:59:26,127
Dwight's not
really a fan of Eddie.
1076
00:59:26,171 --> 00:59:28,521
I mean, can you blame him?
1077
00:59:28,565 --> 00:59:31,089
- Dwight just like,
really did not like
1078
00:59:31,132 --> 00:59:33,395
that Edward was comin' around
1079
00:59:33,439 --> 00:59:35,223
and I think he kind
of let that be known.
1080
00:59:37,791 --> 00:59:39,227
You wanna start right now?
1081
00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:42,579
No, no, no, no,
no, no.
1082
00:59:42,622 --> 00:59:44,668
Let's at least get
home first.
1083
00:59:48,106 --> 00:59:52,589
- Were you aware of Edward
and your wife's history?
1084
01:00:03,121 --> 01:00:06,385
- Mr. Baker came
forward yesterday.
1085
01:00:06,428 --> 01:00:09,518
He was a little
worried, feelin' guilty.
1086
01:00:09,562 --> 01:00:10,781
Thought that this information
1087
01:00:10,824 --> 01:00:12,783
might help our
investigation a little bit.
1088
01:00:16,308 --> 01:00:17,526
Emily, what the hell
1089
01:00:17,570 --> 01:00:18,658
is wrong with y'all?
1090
01:00:18,702 --> 01:00:19,877
You knew that
1091
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,921
when you moved here.
1092
01:00:20,965 --> 01:00:21,879
- you tell me about him?
- You knew.
1093
01:00:21,922 --> 01:00:24,621
Mr. Nixon, I don't have a body
1094
01:00:24,664 --> 01:00:26,927
and I don't have a murder weapon
1095
01:00:26,971 --> 01:00:31,105
but what I do have is a motive.
1096
01:00:34,282 --> 01:00:36,720
♪ Remember the free
1097
01:00:36,763 --> 01:00:41,768
♪ Remember to hold
your head high ♪
1098
01:00:43,683 --> 01:00:46,686
♪ Remember to smile some
1099
01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:51,648
♪ And just listen awhile
1100
01:00:53,301 --> 01:00:55,869
♪ Practiced enough, yeah
1101
01:00:55,913 --> 01:00:59,438
♪ That's what I told myself
1102
01:00:59,481 --> 01:01:00,265
Look at us.
1103
01:01:00,308 --> 01:01:01,048
Mm hm.
1104
01:01:01,092 --> 01:01:02,267
Play with you.
1105
01:01:02,310 --> 01:01:05,270
♪ Nervously asked
you your name ♪
1106
01:01:05,313 --> 01:01:10,318
♪ And that's when the
world seemed to stop ♪
1107
01:01:11,493 --> 01:01:15,019
♪ And I'd died when you
looked up like that ♪
1108
01:01:15,062 --> 01:01:17,369
♪ Took my breath away
1109
01:01:17,412 --> 01:01:19,850
♪ Knocked me flat on my back
1110
01:01:19,893 --> 01:01:22,069
♪ I knew right then and there
1111
01:01:22,113 --> 01:01:24,898
♪ In that first second stare
1112
01:01:24,942 --> 01:01:29,773
♪ It would be awhile
1113
01:01:29,816 --> 01:01:34,342
♪ And everything
falls out of focus ♪
1114
01:01:34,386 --> 01:01:37,128
♪ You walked through the door
1115
01:01:37,171 --> 01:01:41,698
♪ And one thing that's clear
to me helplessly hopeless ♪
1116
01:01:41,741 --> 01:01:46,659
♪ I'm all right with that
in a room full of people ♪
1117
01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:50,445
♪ Everything else disappears
1118
01:01:54,145 --> 01:01:57,148
We need to keep our
focus on Wayne Ritchie.
1119
01:01:57,191 --> 01:01:59,672
Wayne practically
grew up on the land,
1120
01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:01,369
and his house is nearby.
1121
01:02:01,413 --> 01:02:04,198
I've been lookin'
at the city history,
1122
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:06,810
old maps and things like that.
1123
01:02:07,985 --> 01:02:11,205
So, what I'm wonderin'
is if this entrance
1124
01:02:11,249 --> 01:02:14,469
or this cave actually right
here near Wayne's house
1125
01:02:14,513 --> 01:02:17,429
runs towards the Howard's
land, or maybe even underneath.
1126
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,258
We need to check
this out and see
1127
01:02:20,301 --> 01:02:23,000
if we can find any tunnels
or anything like that
1128
01:02:23,043 --> 01:02:26,351
that maybe some of these people
could have just fallen into.
1129
01:02:30,659 --> 01:02:32,357
- We headed out
to find the cave,
1130
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,186
and see if it could answer
some of our questions.
1131
01:02:35,229 --> 01:02:37,754
Not knowing the exact
location of the cave,
1132
01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:40,844
we decided to split up
to cover more ground.
1133
01:02:40,887 --> 01:02:43,368
Charlie and I headed
directly east,
1134
01:02:43,411 --> 01:02:45,109
while Dwight headed northeast.
1135
01:02:47,938 --> 01:02:48,765
Here you go.
1136
01:02:54,945 --> 01:02:56,033
Dwight, do you copy?
1137
01:02:59,210 --> 01:03:01,865
Yes, go ahead.
1138
01:03:01,908 --> 01:03:02,866
Just testing the range.
1139
01:03:02,909 --> 01:03:03,910
Do you see anything?
1140
01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:09,307
No, nothing yet.
1141
01:03:09,350 --> 01:03:10,177
You guys?
1142
01:03:13,224 --> 01:03:14,051
Just woods.
1143
01:03:28,761 --> 01:03:30,807
Charlie, come here!
1144
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:31,895
I found it!
1145
01:03:31,938 --> 01:03:32,765
Seriously?
1146
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:33,592
Yes!
1147
01:03:33,635 --> 01:03:34,549
It's gotta be it.
1148
01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:35,333
It's the only cave we've seen.
1149
01:03:35,376 --> 01:03:36,247
Come on, come on.
1150
01:03:36,290 --> 01:03:37,291
Dwight, do you copy?
1151
01:03:39,946 --> 01:03:40,817
Dwight?
1152
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:43,907
He's
probably out of range.
1153
01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:47,954
It probably goes
down 20 feet, it's narrow.
1154
01:03:47,998 --> 01:03:50,783
Okay, I don't
wanna risk the camera.
1155
01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:52,480
I guess I'll shoot on my phone.
1156
01:03:52,524 --> 01:03:53,699
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1157
01:03:53,742 --> 01:03:54,569
- let's do that.
- Okay, let's go.
1158
01:03:54,613 --> 01:03:55,875
Okay.
1159
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:56,876
Charlie, how you doin'?
1160
01:03:59,009 --> 01:03:59,923
All right, be careful.
1161
01:04:23,816 --> 01:04:25,513
Oo!
1162
01:05:25,747 --> 01:05:26,966
All right, you guys okay?
1163
01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:28,098
Yeah, we're good.
1164
01:05:28,141 --> 01:05:28,925
- You okay?
- Yeah, I'm good.
1165
01:05:28,968 --> 01:05:30,665
Did you find anything?
1166
01:05:30,709 --> 01:05:32,406
- Well, we didn't
make it too far in
1167
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:33,886
before we hit a blocked part
1168
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:36,715
but it looks like it might
be a cave-in, though.
1169
01:05:36,758 --> 01:05:39,500
The rocks are wet, water
ran down the walls.
1170
01:05:39,544 --> 01:05:42,068
- So maybe the cave
was under the pond?
1171
01:05:46,072 --> 01:05:49,336
After exploring the
cave, I think at one time
1172
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:51,948
the cave extended past the
area, which is now a pond.
1173
01:05:51,991 --> 01:05:53,471
Take a look at this.
1174
01:05:53,514 --> 01:05:56,735
Here's the cave and here's
where Sarah Winston disappeared,
1175
01:05:56,778 --> 01:05:59,781
in the same spot where the
pond was built six years later.
1176
01:05:59,825 --> 01:06:02,306
Emily's metal detector
ring where we found it,
1177
01:06:02,349 --> 01:06:04,264
this is where the
Lopez's disappeared.
1178
01:06:04,308 --> 01:06:05,744
The Howard's house.
1179
01:06:05,787 --> 01:06:07,615
It's all one line.
1180
01:06:07,659 --> 01:06:09,878
So, if the cave does run
underneath all these spots,
1181
01:06:09,922 --> 01:06:11,010
this could all be connected.
1182
01:06:14,231 --> 01:06:17,451
- There are caves everywhere
in Robertson County
1183
01:06:17,495 --> 01:06:21,020
and we are told that
they are all connected.
1184
01:06:21,064 --> 01:06:23,980
And at Cross Plains
you have Kilgore Cave
1185
01:06:24,023 --> 01:06:27,157
where Thomas Kilgore,
the first white person
1186
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,941
in Robertson County spent
1187
01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:31,857
the winter hiding
from the Indians.
1188
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,903
Our historical society had
our annual picnic there
1189
01:06:34,947 --> 01:06:37,080
about two weeks ago.
1190
01:06:37,123 --> 01:06:38,472
If we could
get a better understanding
1191
01:06:38,516 --> 01:06:40,257
of what's below the property,
1192
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:43,086
it could help us get answers
about the disappearances.
1193
01:06:43,129 --> 01:06:45,566
The Vietcong had networks
1194
01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:48,395
of tunnels that they used
during the Vietnam War.
1195
01:06:48,439 --> 01:06:51,790
They could come up through
one of these openings,
1196
01:06:51,833 --> 01:06:53,792
they could snatch someone
out of the platoon
1197
01:06:53,835 --> 01:06:57,100
down into the tunnel,
seal up the hatch,
1198
01:06:57,143 --> 01:06:58,927
and nobody would
know what's going on.
1199
01:06:58,971 --> 01:07:00,799
They'd be like, "Where's Joe?"
1200
01:07:00,842 --> 01:07:02,627
Well, Joe's down in the bowels
1201
01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:04,020
of the earth somewhere.
1202
01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:12,158
- Right now they're
gonna be runnin'
1203
01:07:12,202 --> 01:07:14,552
some ground penetrating radar
over the top of the site.
1204
01:07:14,595 --> 01:07:16,641
They'll lay out a grid
pattern first and literally,
1205
01:07:16,684 --> 01:07:17,903
it'll map out every inch,
1206
01:07:17,946 --> 01:07:20,471
it'll penetrate just
like a water saw does.
1207
01:07:20,514 --> 01:07:22,299
So if we had any ground
that's been disturbed recently
1208
01:07:22,342 --> 01:07:25,041
or any type of cave
system underneath us,
1209
01:07:25,084 --> 01:07:26,390
it'll pick that up as well.
1210
01:07:26,433 --> 01:07:28,392
Once they identify
a cave or a cavern,
1211
01:07:28,435 --> 01:07:31,264
we'll be able to identify
whether it does connect
1212
01:07:31,308 --> 01:07:34,137
to any other systems on the
property, includin' the pond.
1213
01:07:35,921 --> 01:07:37,488
One, two, three.
1214
01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:39,707
There you go.
1215
01:07:45,191 --> 01:07:47,367
- We're looking at the
site scanning sonar,
1216
01:07:47,411 --> 01:07:49,630
which is directly
underneath the boat,
1217
01:07:49,674 --> 01:07:52,111
penetrates all the way down
to the bottom of the lake.
1218
01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:53,591
Okay, so if there's a body,
1219
01:07:53,634 --> 01:07:56,289
it should appear like a
white blob or a white-
1220
01:07:56,333 --> 01:07:57,508
Yes, on either screen here,
1221
01:07:57,551 --> 01:07:59,684
it'll come up either
white or kinda grayish.
1222
01:07:59,727 --> 01:08:01,251
It'll pick up anything
that might've fallen
1223
01:08:01,294 --> 01:08:02,904
into the lake accidentally
and maybe drowned,
1224
01:08:02,948 --> 01:08:04,341
such as an animal.
1225
01:08:04,384 --> 01:08:06,125
So, we don't wanna put a
diver down on somethin'
1226
01:08:06,169 --> 01:08:07,431
that's not truly human remains.
1227
01:08:07,474 --> 01:08:08,606
As you come up here
if you look at that
1228
01:08:08,649 --> 01:08:10,390
where the boat is right now,
1229
01:08:10,434 --> 01:08:11,913
directly underneath there,
1230
01:08:11,957 --> 01:08:15,221
you can see a black kind of
indentation to the red U,
1231
01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:18,224
and that's an indication that
there is an opening there.
1232
01:08:18,268 --> 01:08:21,053
- By opening deep, do
you mean like a cave or-
1233
01:08:21,097 --> 01:08:22,228
- It can be a cave
or it could be
1234
01:08:22,272 --> 01:08:23,273
just a really big depression
1235
01:08:23,316 --> 01:08:24,448
in the bottom of the lake
1236
01:08:24,491 --> 01:08:26,580
but that would
appear to be a cave.
1237
01:08:26,624 --> 01:08:27,886
It's goin' that
northerly direction,
1238
01:08:27,929 --> 01:08:30,976
almost directly where
the boat is right now.
1239
01:08:31,019 --> 01:08:32,543
- So, in the same
direction as the house?
1240
01:08:32,586 --> 01:08:33,805
Same direction as the house.
1241
01:08:36,938 --> 01:08:38,157
Have you
guys ever found a shaft
1242
01:08:38,201 --> 01:08:39,898
that connects to a
whole cave system?
1243
01:08:39,941 --> 01:08:41,160
Absolutely.
1244
01:08:41,204 --> 01:08:42,553
And that's most of the
time what you do find.
1245
01:08:42,596 --> 01:08:44,685
You'll find a smaller
opening that'll lead
1246
01:08:44,729 --> 01:08:47,253
into a bigger cavern
or a bigger opening.
1247
01:08:47,297 --> 01:08:49,168
Diving in the shaft
is extremely dangerous
1248
01:08:49,212 --> 01:08:51,475
'cause only one diver
can go one at a time.
1249
01:08:51,518 --> 01:08:53,259
So, we're gonna take
every precaution we can
1250
01:08:53,303 --> 01:08:54,782
to make sure the
divers stay safe.
1251
01:08:54,826 --> 01:08:57,524
Which one of you
are going down the shaft?
1252
01:08:57,568 --> 01:08:59,047
- T-Roy.
1253
01:08:59,091 --> 01:09:00,875
So, you've
done this a few times?
1254
01:09:00,919 --> 01:09:02,094
Yes.
1255
01:09:02,138 --> 01:09:03,269
What's
it like down there?
1256
01:09:04,183 --> 01:09:04,966
It's tight.
1257
01:09:09,536 --> 01:09:10,798
So, what we're seein' down
1258
01:09:10,842 --> 01:09:12,844
there right now
is low visibility.
1259
01:09:14,672 --> 01:09:15,586
See by the.
1260
01:09:18,980 --> 01:09:19,764
Top side, copy.
1261
01:09:19,807 --> 01:09:20,982
Located the shaft.
1262
01:09:28,773 --> 01:09:29,774
Top side, copy.
1263
01:09:29,817 --> 01:09:31,950
Rock walled, entering the shaft.
1264
01:09:31,993 --> 01:09:33,734
Real good sign that
we're in rock walls,
1265
01:09:33,778 --> 01:09:35,780
so this potentially
could be a cave system.
1266
01:09:35,823 --> 01:09:37,173
The shaft should connect
us down to the bottom.
1267
01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:39,349
This is not the
bottom of the lake.
1268
01:09:39,392 --> 01:09:41,655
He's about 10 feet down now.
1269
01:09:58,977 --> 01:10:00,108
- What'd he just say?
- Top side, copy.
1270
01:10:00,152 --> 01:10:01,109
We have remains.
1271
01:10:01,153 --> 01:10:02,589
They have remains.
1272
01:10:02,633 --> 01:10:03,808
Start to see a little on the
GoPro?
1273
01:10:03,851 --> 01:10:05,288
And you have it
here on the sonar.
1274
01:10:05,331 --> 01:10:06,506
You see the difference
in that white-ish gray
1275
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:07,986
we were talkin' about earlier.
1276
01:10:08,029 --> 01:10:09,466
You can start to see
the remains right there.
1277
01:10:09,509 --> 01:10:11,424
- We don't know what kind
of remains though, right?
1278
01:10:11,468 --> 01:10:13,470
- We don't know until
he can physically
1279
01:10:13,513 --> 01:10:15,559
and visually get
up on top of it.
1280
01:10:23,871 --> 01:10:25,046
Top side, copy.
1281
01:10:25,090 --> 01:10:26,700
Human remains,
floatin' the buoy.
1282
01:10:35,492 --> 01:10:37,015
This is
Susanna Connor reporting
1283
01:10:37,058 --> 01:10:39,278
for Channel 2 News
from an abandoned piece
1284
01:10:39,322 --> 01:10:41,280
of farmland outside
of Springfield,
1285
01:10:41,324 --> 01:10:45,284
where skeletal remains of a
young girl have been found.
1286
01:11:26,804 --> 01:11:27,631
Yeah.
1287
01:11:28,936 --> 01:11:31,243
Okay, yeah, no, no,
I appreciate it.
1288
01:11:31,287 --> 01:11:32,549
The results are in.
1289
01:11:32,592 --> 01:11:34,681
The body was identified
as Sarah Winston.
1290
01:11:39,773 --> 01:11:41,775
I knew she
was still out there.
1291
01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:45,779
Wait, how did
Sarah end up in the pond?
1292
01:11:45,823 --> 01:11:46,998
It wasn't there in 1994.
1293
01:11:59,358 --> 01:12:02,143
- So, if the Howard's
left Springfield in 1979,
1294
01:12:02,187 --> 01:12:03,928
and hadn't returned,
then who built
1295
01:12:03,971 --> 01:12:05,408
that pond on that property?
1296
01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:08,367
- That big sinkhole
opened up over there.
1297
01:12:08,411 --> 01:12:09,890
It was in '98.
1298
01:12:09,934 --> 01:12:11,588
It just boom, like that.
1299
01:12:11,631 --> 01:12:13,677
And that hole was massive.
1300
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,200
I went over there several times
1301
01:12:15,243 --> 01:12:17,333
to just stand there and
look down into the thing.
1302
01:12:17,376 --> 01:12:18,290
It was huge.
1303
01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:19,900
With the Howard's gone,
1304
01:12:19,944 --> 01:12:21,554
nobody went up there
to put any sign
1305
01:12:21,598 --> 01:12:23,817
to warn people about it.
1306
01:12:23,861 --> 01:12:25,341
A farmer's cow wandered off
1307
01:12:25,384 --> 01:12:29,780
and ended up in that
sinkhole, fell right in.
1308
01:12:29,823 --> 01:12:31,042
We did get her out, though.
1309
01:12:31,085 --> 01:12:33,523
She was kinda shaken
up but she's okay.
1310
01:12:33,566 --> 01:12:36,526
- Yes, Sir, because
of safety purposes,
1311
01:12:36,569 --> 01:12:40,007
we agreed to fill the
pond in with water.
1312
01:12:40,051 --> 01:12:41,966
Well, they went in and
filled it with rock
1313
01:12:42,009 --> 01:12:45,404
and hard clay and
stuff just to try
1314
01:12:45,448 --> 01:12:48,320
to build a base in it where
it would retain the water.
1315
01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:49,800
Who filled
up that sinkhole?
1316
01:12:49,843 --> 01:12:51,236
Wayne Ritchie.
1317
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:53,456
- That pond was built
by Wayne Ritchie.
1318
01:12:53,499 --> 01:12:54,761
Wayne Ritchie.
1319
01:12:54,805 --> 01:12:57,764
- Well, I loaned him the
equipment to do it with
1320
01:12:57,808 --> 01:12:59,810
in exchange for fishin'
rights of course.
1321
01:13:01,507 --> 01:13:06,512
- My first thought was that
he drowned her somewhere else,
1322
01:13:07,687 --> 01:13:09,472
kept her body and
then moved her back
1323
01:13:09,515 --> 01:13:11,996
to the pond once he built it.
1324
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:13,301
Could Sarah's
body have been moved
1325
01:13:13,345 --> 01:13:15,478
to the pond after
she was murdered?
1326
01:13:15,521 --> 01:13:16,653
We would need to talk
1327
01:13:16,696 --> 01:13:18,437
to the forensic
pathologist to find out.
1328
01:13:18,481 --> 01:13:21,005
- After we determined
that the cause
1329
01:13:21,048 --> 01:13:24,051
or manner of death was not
from gunshot or a stab wound,
1330
01:13:24,095 --> 01:13:27,359
we then turned our
investigation towards drowning
1331
01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:30,493
since the skeleton
was found in the pond.
1332
01:13:30,536 --> 01:13:35,541
We were gonna look at the
presence or absence of diatoms.
1333
01:13:36,716 --> 01:13:38,109
Diatoms are
photosynthesizing algae
1334
01:13:38,152 --> 01:13:40,894
that are present in every
aquatic environment.
1335
01:13:40,938 --> 01:13:42,896
- When we studied
the bone marrow,
1336
01:13:42,940 --> 01:13:45,812
we noticed diatoms present,
1337
01:13:45,856 --> 01:13:49,294
indicating that the cause
of death was drowning.
1338
01:13:49,337 --> 01:13:51,209
Every body of
water has its own unique
1339
01:13:51,252 --> 01:13:54,038
and distinct form of diatom,
1340
01:13:54,081 --> 01:13:55,431
kind of like a fingerprint.
1341
01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:59,870
- We took a sample in
the pond at Howard's Mill
1342
01:13:59,913 --> 01:14:04,048
and studied the signature
of the diatoms present.
1343
01:14:04,091 --> 01:14:08,661
Interestingly, it was an exact
match to the diatoms present
1344
01:14:08,705 --> 01:14:10,794
in the bone marrow
of Sarah Winston.
1345
01:14:10,837 --> 01:14:12,535
The presence
of diatoms in the lungs
1346
01:14:12,578 --> 01:14:14,537
and bone marrow would indicate
1347
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:18,062
that the person entered the
water alive and then drowned.
1348
01:14:18,105 --> 01:14:20,804
The absence of diatoms would
prove a body had been dumped
1349
01:14:20,847 --> 01:14:23,023
in the water after
they were deceased.
1350
01:14:23,067 --> 01:14:25,069
- Based on these findings,
the science shows
1351
01:14:25,112 --> 01:14:28,638
that Sarah Winston
actually drowned in 2004.
1352
01:14:32,729 --> 01:14:35,688
- So in 1994, 10-year-old
Sarah Winston disappears.
1353
01:14:35,732 --> 01:14:38,517
In 2017 the body of
Sarah Winston is found
1354
01:14:38,561 --> 01:14:40,432
in the pond on Howard's Mill,
1355
01:14:41,825 --> 01:14:45,089
but the forensics report
shows she drowned in 2004.
1356
01:14:45,132 --> 01:14:47,439
So, that means she should
have been 20 years old
1357
01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:49,833
in 2004 when she drowned,
1358
01:14:49,876 --> 01:14:51,574
but she was still
at 10 years old,
1359
01:14:51,617 --> 01:14:55,142
the same age she was in 1994
before the pond was ever built.
1360
01:14:56,883 --> 01:14:58,276
Are you confused yet?
1361
01:15:00,670 --> 01:15:03,629
- Human time travel
may not be probable
1362
01:15:03,673 --> 01:15:07,851
but it is potentially possible.
1363
01:15:09,635 --> 01:15:14,074
Technically, we are
all time travelers.
1364
01:15:15,685 --> 01:15:18,775
In the past 24 hours, I
traveled one day in time.
1365
01:15:18,818 --> 01:15:20,603
I presume that you did too.
1366
01:15:21,604 --> 01:15:23,431
The real question is whether
1367
01:15:23,475 --> 01:15:27,435
or not different people
travel faster than others.
1368
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,176
Einstein thought so.
1369
01:15:29,220 --> 01:15:31,309
In the case of Sarah Winston,
1370
01:15:31,352 --> 01:15:36,357
you have forensic proof that
a 10-year-old girl disappeared
1371
01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:41,014
and then drowned at the
same age 10 years later.
1372
01:15:42,973 --> 01:15:44,496
The Glynis Howard story doesn't
1373
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:45,976
have the science to back it up,
1374
01:15:46,019 --> 01:15:49,545
but the coincidence
of them both happening
1375
01:15:49,588 --> 01:15:52,591
on the same piece of
bland is compelling.
1376
01:15:52,635 --> 01:15:54,114
Are you
saying you believe
1377
01:15:54,158 --> 01:15:56,900
that Sarah Winston traveled
10 years into the future,
1378
01:15:56,943 --> 01:15:59,772
returning to this exact
same spot she disappeared
1379
01:15:59,816 --> 01:16:02,949
where a pond had been
built and then drowned?
1380
01:16:02,993 --> 01:16:04,168
You have two related cases
1381
01:16:04,211 --> 01:16:06,474
of people with age discrepancies
1382
01:16:06,518 --> 01:16:08,128
connected to the same location,
1383
01:16:08,172 --> 01:16:09,739
and one of them is still living.
1384
01:16:12,742 --> 01:16:15,527
I would ask the one
that's still living.
1385
01:16:36,461 --> 01:16:37,288
Yeah.
1386
01:16:40,117 --> 01:16:41,466
It's all familiar.
1387
01:16:52,912 --> 01:16:53,739
Your old room.
1388
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:56,307
No.
1389
01:16:57,917 --> 01:17:01,094
No, I've never been
in this room before.
1390
01:17:01,138 --> 01:17:04,010
But this is the
only child's room in the house.
1391
01:17:09,668 --> 01:17:11,670
I don't remember this room.
1392
01:17:13,585 --> 01:17:16,370
When I, I remember
I took naps though,
1393
01:17:16,414 --> 01:17:18,068
upstairs in this room.
1394
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,645
Yeah, I took naps
in here with my dad,
1395
01:17:30,776 --> 01:17:34,780
but I had my own room,
was in the basement.
1396
01:17:36,956 --> 01:17:38,784
So.
1397
01:17:38,828 --> 01:17:39,742
The basement?
1398
01:17:39,785 --> 01:17:40,656
Uh huh.
1399
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:47,184
I mean, this place is so...
1400
01:17:47,227 --> 01:17:49,708
I mean, I know I was here.
1401
01:17:49,752 --> 01:17:50,796
I know I was here.
1402
01:17:54,408 --> 01:17:56,976
It's crazy, I felt
like it was bigger.
1403
01:18:01,677 --> 01:18:05,463
It was like twice this
size when I was here.
1404
01:18:06,769 --> 01:18:08,509
Like this wall wasn't here
1405
01:18:09,467 --> 01:18:12,470
'cause I had like a dresser and-
1406
01:18:12,513 --> 01:18:14,080
Shine the light on here.
1407
01:18:14,124 --> 01:18:14,951
Let me see.
1408
01:18:16,343 --> 01:18:18,302
Yeah, this board is...
1409
01:18:18,345 --> 01:18:20,043
- Hold that light right there.
- Okay.
1410
01:18:20,086 --> 01:18:20,870
Be careful.
1411
01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:30,401
- Got it?
- Yeah, I got it.
1412
01:18:30,444 --> 01:18:31,663
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
1413
01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:33,012
Oh my God!
1414
01:18:33,056 --> 01:18:33,970
- Yeah, there's something
- Yeah, yeah,
1415
01:18:34,013 --> 01:18:34,884
- in there.
- yeah.
1416
01:18:34,927 --> 01:18:36,276
I knew this wall wasn't here.
1417
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,756
I knew this wall wasn't here.
1418
01:18:42,805 --> 01:18:43,631
All right?
1419
01:18:43,675 --> 01:18:45,198
Camera.
1420
01:18:46,939 --> 01:18:47,766
Got it.
1421
01:18:51,857 --> 01:18:53,032
Oh my God.
1422
01:18:53,076 --> 01:18:54,338
What are
you seein', guys?
1423
01:18:54,381 --> 01:18:56,209
Oh my God,
this is all my stuff.
1424
01:18:56,253 --> 01:18:57,384
These are my...
1425
01:18:57,428 --> 01:18:58,777
I remember these books.
1426
01:19:00,126 --> 01:19:02,476
It was up against
this wall but...
1427
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:03,739
And this picture.
1428
01:19:05,392 --> 01:19:07,830
I mean, I looked at this
picture every single day.
1429
01:19:07,873 --> 01:19:09,135
Wow.
1430
01:19:10,658 --> 01:19:11,442
It's still here.
1431
01:19:11,485 --> 01:19:12,399
Yeah, I...
1432
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:15,751
Like...
1433
01:19:16,839 --> 01:19:18,405
I'm kinda in shock right now.
1434
01:19:18,449 --> 01:19:19,842
I'm shaking.
1435
01:19:19,885 --> 01:19:21,495
This bed, this was my bed.
1436
01:19:22,845 --> 01:19:26,065
This was my bed and
all my things and...
1437
01:19:27,806 --> 01:19:29,025
- Oh my God!
- Oh God!
1438
01:19:29,068 --> 01:19:29,982
Get outta here!
1439
01:19:40,645 --> 01:19:42,690
For the
second time in 28 days,
1440
01:19:42,734 --> 01:19:44,214
skeletal remains of a child
1441
01:19:44,257 --> 01:19:47,391
have been discovered on the
abandoned Howard's Mill.
1442
01:19:47,434 --> 01:19:50,046
Police questioned a
suspect, Wayne Ritchie,
1443
01:19:50,089 --> 01:19:52,744
after discovering the body
of 10 year old Sarah Winston
1444
01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:55,747
who had been missing since 1994.
1445
01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:57,531
- I don't care what
those scientists say.
1446
01:19:57,575 --> 01:19:59,403
I know Wayne did it.
1447
01:19:59,446 --> 01:20:02,406
- When I heard
about Sarah Winston,
1448
01:20:02,449 --> 01:20:04,364
I immediately, I
just got chills.
1449
01:20:06,323 --> 01:20:10,240
I mean, that could've been me.
1450
01:20:10,283 --> 01:20:11,502
I guess I'm surprised.
1451
01:20:11,545 --> 01:20:14,026
I really didn't see him
as the murdering kind.
1452
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:16,376
- Never, I'll never
believe that he did that.
1453
01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:22,992
Hello?
1454
01:20:23,035 --> 01:20:26,734
Hi, yes,
this is Glynis Williams.
1455
01:20:26,778 --> 01:20:31,783
I just, I was watching
the news and the man,
1456
01:20:34,394 --> 01:20:38,137
Wayne Ritchie, I think they
said his name was, I know him.
1457
01:20:38,181 --> 01:20:39,965
I know who that is.
1458
01:20:40,009 --> 01:20:41,793
You've met him?
1459
01:20:41,837 --> 01:20:46,537
I'm positive
that that man is my father.
1460
01:21:24,531 --> 01:21:25,663
All right,
what you go for me, Dan?
1461
01:21:25,706 --> 01:21:28,318
- Well, the lab results
are in, brother.
1462
01:21:28,361 --> 01:21:29,754
You're not gonna believe it.
1463
01:21:31,190 --> 01:21:33,801
Wayne Ritchie and Glynis
Williams are not related.
1464
01:21:33,845 --> 01:21:35,325
Okay.
1465
01:21:35,368 --> 01:21:39,155
Rebecca Howard and
Glynis Williams are not related.
1466
01:21:39,198 --> 01:21:40,069
Wait, now
what are you talkin'-
1467
01:21:40,112 --> 01:21:42,375
There's more.
1468
01:21:42,419 --> 01:21:47,424
Rebecca Howard and
Jane Doe are related.
1469
01:21:59,740 --> 01:22:03,527
- When was the last time
you saw your daughter?
1470
01:23:12,596 --> 01:23:14,119
Wayne
Ritchie didn't recognize
1471
01:23:14,163 --> 01:23:16,730
the photo of the
real Glynis Howard,
1472
01:23:16,774 --> 01:23:19,516
but was able to identify
Glynis Williams,
1473
01:23:19,559 --> 01:23:23,346
although referring to
her as Glynis Howard.
1474
01:23:23,389 --> 01:23:25,609
He seemed just as
confused as everyone else.
1475
01:25:13,195 --> 01:25:14,326
This just all seems to point
1476
01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:15,893
more and more to Wayne Ritchie.
1477
01:25:15,936 --> 01:25:18,243
The fact that we have
a body in the room
1478
01:25:18,287 --> 01:25:20,289
that he admits he sealed,
1479
01:25:21,768 --> 01:25:26,295
then we've got a body in
a pond that he had field.
1480
01:25:26,338 --> 01:25:29,124
The question now
is, where is Emily?
1481
01:25:31,561 --> 01:25:33,824
Are you
happy with the arrest?
1482
01:25:38,176 --> 01:25:39,134
So, are we done?
1483
01:25:41,223 --> 01:25:42,441
No.
1484
01:25:42,485 --> 01:25:43,964
I still need to find my wife.
1485
01:26:10,034 --> 01:26:12,384
Wayne, I need your help.
1486
01:26:12,428 --> 01:26:13,603
All right.
1487
01:26:13,646 --> 01:26:15,735
I mean, I'll help
however I can help.
1488
01:26:17,259 --> 01:26:18,129
All right.
1489
01:26:19,261 --> 01:26:20,436
What I'm havin' a
problem wrappin'
1490
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,829
my mind around is this.
1491
01:26:22,873 --> 01:26:24,222
You admit to all these things,
1492
01:26:24,266 --> 01:26:26,181
- buildin' that wall?
- Yeah.
1493
01:26:27,094 --> 01:26:28,357
Takin' that little baby,
1494
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,621
but what about Emily?
1495
01:26:31,664 --> 01:26:34,058
What about my wife, Wayne?
1496
01:26:34,101 --> 01:26:35,625
- I told you Dwight,
told you from the start,
1497
01:26:35,668 --> 01:26:37,104
I had nothin' to do with that.
1498
01:26:37,148 --> 01:26:40,978
I had nothin' to do with that.
1499
01:26:42,153 --> 01:26:43,285
Why are
you in the video
1500
01:26:43,328 --> 01:26:45,287
she took right before
she went missin'?
1501
01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:49,291
That's you standin' right there.
1502
01:26:50,335 --> 01:26:51,467
I don't know.
1503
01:26:52,990 --> 01:26:54,165
That wasn't me.
1504
01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:57,299
It's 'cause I go
out there sometimes
1505
01:26:57,342 --> 01:26:58,909
and when I walk around I hunt.
1506
01:26:58,952 --> 01:27:00,563
That ain't a crime.
1507
01:27:00,606 --> 01:27:01,738
No, that's not a crime.
1508
01:27:01,781 --> 01:27:03,435
But you didn't notice her there
1509
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,481
even though she was
talkin' awfully loud
1510
01:27:05,524 --> 01:27:06,743
and she wasn't
exactly blendin' in?
1511
01:27:06,786 --> 01:27:08,005
Well, so what?
1512
01:27:08,048 --> 01:27:10,094
If I did, it don't
mean I hurt her.
1513
01:27:10,137 --> 01:27:12,444
It don't mean I done
nothin' with her.
1514
01:27:12,488 --> 01:27:16,231
Sometimes I go out there and
I watch people a little bit,
1515
01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:20,539
see if they
disappear or whatnot.
1516
01:27:21,714 --> 01:27:22,585
- Are you sayin' you saw
what happened to her?
1517
01:27:22,628 --> 01:27:23,499
Naw.
1518
01:27:23,542 --> 01:27:26,284
A dog ran off into the woods,
1519
01:27:27,459 --> 01:27:32,247
and I followed the
dog into the woods.
1520
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:34,727
I figured she went home.
1521
01:27:34,771 --> 01:27:37,382
- If you don't have
anything to hide,
1522
01:27:37,426 --> 01:27:39,254
while are you always chasin'
people off that property?
1523
01:27:39,297 --> 01:27:43,736
- 'Cause I wanna make
sure nobody out there disappears again
1524
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:47,436
and I wanna make sure
nobody else pops up,
1525
01:27:49,089 --> 01:27:51,135
like Glynis done.
1526
01:27:51,178 --> 01:27:51,962
You were just walkin' by?
1527
01:27:52,005 --> 01:27:53,311
I was just walkin' by.
1528
01:27:53,355 --> 01:27:55,313
They took her, not me.
1529
01:27:55,357 --> 01:27:56,140
Who?
1530
01:27:56,183 --> 01:27:57,533
Who took her?
1531
01:27:57,576 --> 01:27:59,012
I had nothin' to do with this.
1532
01:27:59,056 --> 01:28:00,362
I had nothin' to do with this.
1533
01:28:00,405 --> 01:28:02,364
- I had nothin' to,
- This person disappeared
1534
01:28:02,407 --> 01:28:04,627
- y'all can...
- only a few weeks ago.
1535
01:28:04,670 --> 01:28:05,454
Who took her, Wayne?
1536
01:28:09,762 --> 01:28:12,374
- Now you know we've got
several people out there
1537
01:28:12,417 --> 01:28:14,854
that claim they saw lights
1538
01:28:14,898 --> 01:28:18,249
but there's no proof of that
so we can't go anything there.
1539
01:28:18,293 --> 01:28:19,729
And you've got the Lopez's,
1540
01:28:19,772 --> 01:28:24,299
you've got Sarah Winston
and you've got Glynis Howard
1541
01:28:24,342 --> 01:28:26,866
all disappearing
from the same land.
1542
01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:28,390
Sarah!
1543
01:28:28,433 --> 01:28:29,260
Sarah?
1544
01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:30,566
Sarah!
1545
01:28:30,609 --> 01:28:32,132
- Did you see where she went?
- Where is she?
1546
01:28:32,176 --> 01:28:34,221
- Some people
believe theoretically
1547
01:28:34,265 --> 01:28:36,049
that the potential for
traveling through time,
1548
01:28:36,093 --> 01:28:38,617
forward through
time is possible.
1549
01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:49,933
- 1979, Glynis Howard goes
missing age six, all right?
1550
01:28:49,976 --> 01:28:51,891
She shows back up
forensics report
1551
01:28:51,935 --> 01:28:56,374
that Glynis Howard's body found
in a wall dead at age six.
1552
01:28:56,418 --> 01:28:57,810
Look, that's 10 years.
1553
01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:02,380
Sarah Winston, disappears
at age 10, 1994.
1554
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:06,906
10 years later
forensics again says
1555
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:09,866
she shows up drowned,
dead but the same age.
1556
01:29:10,867 --> 01:29:13,565
There's also the twin paradox.
1557
01:29:13,609 --> 01:29:16,829
The idea being that if
you take identical twins
1558
01:29:16,873 --> 01:29:18,353
under the right circumstances,
1559
01:29:18,396 --> 01:29:21,443
one could travel to
space and returning
1560
01:29:21,486 --> 01:29:24,750
have aged slower than the
one who remained on Earth.
1561
01:29:26,099 --> 01:29:26,970
Now, what's with the 10 years?
1562
01:29:27,013 --> 01:29:28,972
Now, you tell me how somebody's,
1563
01:29:29,015 --> 01:29:30,974
they disappear at a certain age,
1564
01:29:31,017 --> 01:29:32,758
their bodies are kept
and then they show
1565
01:29:32,802 --> 01:29:36,371
back up dead at a certain age.
1566
01:29:36,414 --> 01:29:39,678
- So, you're sayin' that Emily
will come back in 10 years?
1567
01:29:40,853 --> 01:29:43,856
- More importantly,
will she show back up
1568
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,990
in 10 years the same age
as when she disappeared?
1569
01:29:52,343 --> 01:29:54,127
Maybe Roger
Winston's theories
1570
01:29:54,171 --> 01:29:56,434
weren't so far fetched.
1571
01:29:56,478 --> 01:29:59,219
Maybe he's not as crazy
as everyone thinks.
1572
01:30:01,918 --> 01:30:04,181
Twin Falls, Idaho, 1987,
1573
01:30:04,224 --> 01:30:06,357
this is an interview with
a boy named Cole Thomas,
1574
01:30:06,401 --> 01:30:07,924
eight year old boy.
1575
01:30:07,967 --> 01:30:09,882
He claimed he'd been
missin' for two days
1576
01:30:09,926 --> 01:30:12,755
and when they found him
he'd only been gone,
1577
01:30:12,798 --> 01:30:14,539
he said four minutes, okay?
1578
01:30:14,583 --> 01:30:16,846
So, the only thing
that he remembered
1579
01:30:16,889 --> 01:30:20,023
was the distinct feelin'
of bein' watched.
1580
01:30:20,066 --> 01:30:23,200
Texarkana, Arkansas,
2001, right?
1581
01:30:23,243 --> 01:30:26,508
"I saw my sister climbing
through the second floor window
1582
01:30:26,551 --> 01:30:27,813
but not really climbing.
1583
01:30:27,857 --> 01:30:29,598
It was more like
she was floatin',
1584
01:30:29,641 --> 01:30:32,688
and when I got to the
window, she was gone," right?
1585
01:30:32,731 --> 01:30:35,168
- And there were
triangular lights
1586
01:30:35,212 --> 01:30:38,041
that appeared at the horizon.
1587
01:30:38,084 --> 01:30:41,697
- The lights comin'
in the window.
1588
01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:44,351
They would rotate and move.
1589
01:30:44,395 --> 01:30:46,832
- And lights floatin'
in the distance.
1590
01:30:46,876 --> 01:30:48,747
I got a lot of this stuff here
1591
01:30:48,791 --> 01:30:50,314
and it's just missin' persons
1592
01:30:50,357 --> 01:30:53,404
with no recollection of
where they've been, okay?
1593
01:30:53,448 --> 01:30:56,668
Just, they all know that
they've been watched.
1594
01:30:56,712 --> 01:31:01,586
- They were all lined up
on the horizon, watching.
1595
01:31:09,942 --> 01:31:12,597
- The entities appear
to study their subjects,
1596
01:31:12,641 --> 01:31:14,469
first as many
abducted individuals
1597
01:31:14,512 --> 01:31:18,211
share the feeling
of being watched.
1598
01:31:18,255 --> 01:31:19,430
All right?
1599
01:31:19,474 --> 01:31:20,910
"Sometimes months
before the incident,
1600
01:31:20,953 --> 01:31:23,347
while there are numerous
vivid accounts of abduction
1601
01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:27,569
there are just as many lost
time incidents," all right?
1602
01:31:27,612 --> 01:31:31,398
"The victim goes missing for
days, months, even years,
1603
01:31:31,442 --> 01:31:33,488
with no memory of being gone
1604
01:31:33,531 --> 01:31:35,446
and in the case
of Marilyn Graham,
1605
01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:37,100
showing no signs of aging
1606
01:31:37,143 --> 01:31:39,929
despite being missing
for over 10 years."
1607
01:31:39,972 --> 01:31:41,757
Okay, look at all
of these, all right?
1608
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,282
And you wanna say that
you don't believe?
1609
01:31:45,325 --> 01:31:48,851
- I'm lookin' at all this,
but what are you sayin' here?
1610
01:31:50,287 --> 01:31:51,157
What am I saying?
1611
01:31:53,333 --> 01:31:54,160
Just read it.
1612
01:31:55,945 --> 01:31:59,601
If the 10 year time
travel theory is possible,
1613
01:31:59,644 --> 01:32:01,211
could it be that
Glynis Howard returned
1614
01:32:01,254 --> 01:32:03,561
to the exact same
spot in the basement
1615
01:32:03,605 --> 01:32:05,041
where she disappeared only
1616
01:32:05,084 --> 01:32:08,131
to find herself trapped
behind the wall Wayne built?
1617
01:32:08,174 --> 01:32:09,393
Did a starving child try to claw
1618
01:32:09,436 --> 01:32:11,656
her way out of what
would become her tomb?
1619
01:32:13,092 --> 01:32:14,485
And did Sarah Winston return
1620
01:32:14,529 --> 01:32:15,965
to the same spot she disappeared
1621
01:32:16,008 --> 01:32:18,402
where upon it had been
built and then drowned?
1622
01:32:20,839 --> 01:32:22,667
Did Roger Winston just
miss an opportunity
1623
01:32:22,711 --> 01:32:25,322
to save his daughter
from drowning
1624
01:32:25,365 --> 01:32:27,716
the night he found her
bow floating in the pond?
1625
01:32:30,675 --> 01:32:32,590
I think she
was trying to come home.
1626
01:32:39,641 --> 01:32:42,165
But then
what about the Lopez's?
1627
01:32:42,208 --> 01:32:43,079
Where did they go?
1628
01:32:44,123 --> 01:32:45,342
And what about Glynis Williams
1629
01:32:45,385 --> 01:32:47,605
who Wayne found in
the Howard's field?
1630
01:32:47,649 --> 01:32:48,867
Where did she come from?
1631
01:32:51,174 --> 01:32:54,133
And then there is a reason
why we started this journey,
1632
01:32:54,177 --> 01:32:55,395
Dwight's wife, Emily.
1633
01:32:56,875 --> 01:32:58,573
Maybe it all doesn't
add up perfectly
1634
01:32:58,616 --> 01:33:00,705
but something unnatural
is clearly happening
1635
01:33:00,749 --> 01:33:03,882
on this abandoned piece of
land called Howard's Mill.
1636
01:33:08,583 --> 01:33:10,106
No, you
need to understand,
1637
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:13,675
sometimes it takes people and
sometimes it gives people.
1638
01:33:15,067 --> 01:33:16,591
Best just to stay away.
1639
01:33:19,506 --> 01:33:21,596
For the first time in my life,
1640
01:33:21,639 --> 01:33:23,293
I really don't
know what to think.
1641
01:33:26,688 --> 01:33:29,647
I mean, we finally got
Wayne Ritchie in jail.
1642
01:33:31,257 --> 01:33:33,608
I don't know if
he did it, Kaiser.
1643
01:33:37,176 --> 01:33:40,745
You got people movin'
at different speeds,
1644
01:33:40,789 --> 01:33:42,573
reappearin' and disappearin'.
1645
01:33:42,617 --> 01:33:43,748
Little girls just poppin' up
1646
01:33:43,792 --> 01:33:48,057
in rooms with no windows
or doors, and Emily.
1647
01:33:49,711 --> 01:33:50,886
I can't find my wife.
1648
01:33:54,803 --> 01:33:55,717
This whole thing's crazy.
1649
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,457
It's just got my mind spinnin'.
1650
01:34:00,286 --> 01:34:01,113
I feel lost.
1651
01:34:02,637 --> 01:34:04,769
So, what
are you gonna do now?
1652
01:34:04,813 --> 01:34:05,640
Keep lookin.
1653
01:34:06,902 --> 01:34:08,991
Do you
think she'll come back?
1654
01:34:09,034 --> 01:34:11,602
I mean, yeah.
1655
01:34:11,646 --> 01:34:14,083
I have to believe that,
1656
01:34:14,126 --> 01:34:15,824
but if she doesn't,
1657
01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:20,611
I will be right here 10 years
from now waitin' on her.
1658
01:34:23,919 --> 01:34:24,702
I just...
1659
01:34:33,755 --> 01:34:37,933
♪ When everything
falls out of focus ♪
1660
01:34:37,976 --> 01:34:40,413
♪ You walk through the door
1661
01:34:40,457 --> 01:34:43,155
♪ And one thing
that's clear to me ♪
1662
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:45,505
♪ Helplessly hopeless
1663
01:34:45,549 --> 01:34:47,377
♪ I'm all right with that
1664
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:50,119
♪ In a room full of people
1665
01:34:50,162 --> 01:34:55,167
♪ Everything else disappears
1666
01:34:56,081 --> 01:34:59,781
♪ Everything else disappears
1667
01:34:59,824 --> 01:35:04,437
♪ Everything else disappears
1668
01:35:04,481 --> 01:35:07,310
♪ Everything else
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