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Joe is a Traitor.
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And that's because
on the night I tried to raise
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the idea that Joe was a Traitor,
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I came very close
to being banished, myself.
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This programme
contains some strong language.
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You have chosen
to own the game. Why?
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I am...
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and have always been...
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a Traitor.
Oh, fuck.
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I'm so sorry.
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It's been tearing me apart.
I'm so sorry.
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You did brilliantly.
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You did. You did brilliant.
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It's a game.
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You did absolutely brilliant.
That was amazing.
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Hello, and welcome to
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The Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked
grand finale.
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I'm Ed Gamble, and we're going
to be unpacking everything from
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that jaw-dropping last episode with
all our finalists.
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We're here at the BBC Radio Theatre
with a studio audience full of our
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all-star cast of celebrity Faithful
and Traitors.
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And how amazing do they all look?
You look incredible.
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Coming up, Claudia Winkleman
is here to finally discuss the show
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she usually has to avoid talking
about.
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Cat, Joe, David and Nick
will be on this stage
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to decompress from
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that unbelievably stressful
final day,
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and our winner, Alan,
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will be joining us to tell us
what it takes to go all the way.
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Get yourself comfy
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because this is The Celebrity
Traitors Uncloaked finale.
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What a final episode. I mean, I was
so stressed that I am... Well,
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let's just say Celia would have
been proud.
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We're going to be speaking to
the finalists shortly.
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But first off, I am joined by
the
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fingerless-glove-wearing legend
that is Claudia Winkleman.
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Hello. Claudia, welcome. Welcome
back to Uncloaked.
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You've just seen that very,
very tense finale.
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How did you feel watching it back?
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Um, quite emotional.
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Can I just show everybody
my T-shirt?
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Absolutely. There he is.
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Um, because even
though obviously I was there...
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Um, yes. Just watching it back,
because I don't
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watch the other ones back...
So, yeah, it was a lot.
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And it's just amazing
that our cast are here.
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The atmosphere
in this room was electric. Yeah.
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I mean, I'm not a football fan,
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but I'd imagine this is
what it feels
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like to watch England score a big
goal.
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You see? It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah.
What was it like
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at the time, though?
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Obviously watching it back is
a different experience.
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What was it like when you
were in the room for that endgame?
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Well, unbelievable. I mean,
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my knees were knocking
because I'm incredibly nervous.
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And, um, it is, without sounding
like a total tool, it is an absolute
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privilege to always be in those, uh,
at those Round Tables.
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But, yeah,
the endgame was quite something.
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And when the third green pouch went
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in and I realised
what was happening...
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People have seen this now.
I imagine there's already
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videos going up online of pubs,
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people watching it,
and pints just flying in the air.
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It was because you feel,
I feel, so protective of them all.
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You feel for them individually.
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I love Nick because
all he could just say was, "Joe!"
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And Joe was utterly brilliant.
You know, that moment he went,
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"I've worked out who they are."
It was like a pull focus.
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I was like, "Watch him go."
And then Cat,
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who was extraordinary throughout,
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was so brilliant in the Turret,
and the fact they caught...
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You know, the whole thing
was sort of highly emotional.
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You gave a speech
to them quite early on
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in the game about how people lie
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to them all of the time,
because they're celebrities. Always.
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I loved that speech.
Do you think that sort of
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thing makes the game harder
for celebrities?
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Um, I don't know
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whether it makes it harder for them,
but I felt there were two things.
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One, the Traitors were utterly
brilliant,
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and two, there was only
so much they could do.
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Um, but it is a hard game. You know,
the absolute
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star of this whole thing is
the game is addictive.
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It takes over. It's hard for anyone.
But what I also love is
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because people watch
at home sometimes
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and sometimes people will say to me,
"How do they not know?"
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You don't know. It's very easy
when you're watching at home,
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but when you're sitting there, it is
almost impossible.
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Now, I know you're very fond of
everyone who played the game,
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but I know you had a particular
fondness for one player.
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I'm talking about the national
treasure that is Celia Imrie.
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Oh, my gosh. What is it in
particular that draws you to Celia?
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She is so twinkly.
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I've never met anybody that twinkly.
I've always loved Celia.
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So when they said, "Celia's
taking part,"
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I was like, "Are you joking?
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"The actual or like a tribute?"
"No, the actual."
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And I'm not allowed -
I have to be like Cruella de Vil,
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which I find difficult
because I just wanted to go,
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"Oh, I love your song,
and you're brilliant."
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And so I'm not allowed.
I'm just, like,
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strict and fluorescent orange.
And there was one point
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when I was standing next to Celia
and just out the corner of my mouth,
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I thought the producers
wouldn't hear it,
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so I just went, "Obsessed."
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And she was like, "Thank you."
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Celia, it's wonderful
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to hear, you know, how
much Claudia loves you.
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But we want to know,
have you got any better at snooping?
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No. Not really.
Really not. Um, I'm just...
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Um, the thing is
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that you said you were obsessed
after I'd admitted I was two-faced.
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That's why we were all obsessed
by you.
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Because Celia...
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My other favourite thing
that Celia did is she would say,
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"You are dazzling,"
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and then write their name on
the board.
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It was so compelling.
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Someone else
who didn't make the final,
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Niko, unfortunately,
you went out quite early.
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But how was it watching that back?
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Do you think there
was some good gameplay in there?
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Um, yeah, I mean, Joe,
I was very impressed with.
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I just can't believe it was
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bottled at the end at the final,
in the final moment.
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But, yeah, it's a very tough game.
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I do feel
in a way like I made it to the final
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because I have the same name
as Nick.
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So... You were there. Yeah.
So, yeah. Almost won.
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Now, we're going to be hearing
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from our finalists
and our winner quite soon.
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But first, Claudia, you
were the hostess with the mostest,
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and thank you so much
for entertaining us week after week.
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And I know you hate this bit. I
hate...
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I know you hate the compliments.
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Well, you're going
to hate this bit even more
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because let's have a look
at your best bits.
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Tiny word of warning.
Don't relax too much.
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Tomorrow, the killing spree begins.
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This isn't personal,
but it is tradition. Oh!
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I know you're thinking it,
so I'm going to say it.
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They've just dug their own graves.
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Nothing like the sound
of screaming celebrities.
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Stephen Fry's in the water.
I can't...
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Faithful, you are breaking my heart.
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You are famous.
People lie to you all the time.
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I love that show.
It's a great jacket.
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I listened to
that particular podcast twice.
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What just happened?
I just farted, Claudia.
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But I always own up.
I always own up, too.
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Well done.
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We'll get you out with the others, shortly.
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No immediate rush.
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Come to me. Come on!
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Quick, quick, quick!
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We did it!
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That was better than my wedding day.
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Thank you, Claudia. Thank you.
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Iconic as ever. Thank you, Claudia.
We'll be talking to our winner,
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Alan, soon. But with me now,
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I'm thrilled
to welcome our four runners-up,
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Cat, Joe, David and Nick!
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Well, we're very excited to have you
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with us here
for this very special finale.
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Cat, let's talk about
that final Round Table,
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because going into it, you and Alan
were very confident. Yeah.
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I mean, erring on cocky,
would you say? You were sort of
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very sure that Joe was on your side.
Yeah, we were.
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You know, I was hoodwinked by Joe.
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Um, I did think... I did think
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that you were going to be
the deciding vote,
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because I was like... I knew Nick
was going to vote for me.
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And then I knew realistically,
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David would vote for me too.
So then I was like,
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it's going to be Joe.
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And I did think
that you were going to go for David.
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And then it was
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when the conversation on
the Round Table, it was varied,
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but then towards the end of
the conversation,
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I was like, um, I feel like Joe's
going to vote for me,
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and you couldn't look me in the eye.
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So that's when I was like, yeah,
my time's done,
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I had a good run,
and then I got dashed.
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But even when we were
in Scotland speaking,
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I think you were still
under the impression
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that Joe changed his
mind last minute.
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How does it feel watching it back
and knowing
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that was pretty much Joe's plan
all along?
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I think it's just fabulous
television.
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I just think it's so funny that me
and Alan are like,
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"Yeah, yeah, we've got this,
we've got this."
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And Joe's like, "I know it's them
two and I'm going to get them out."
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I just think it's great telly.
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At what point did you start
to suspect Cat?
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Because I think from our perspective
as a viewer,
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you were sort of
sniffing around some Traitors.
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But then in that episode eight,
you were like,
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"It's Alan and Cat,"
and just blew everyone away.
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Yeah, I think I worked it out on day
one that it was Jonathan,
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Cat and Alan, but I
was having so much fun in there.
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Yeah. Um, no...
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the shield cock-ups from
Jonathan and Alan,
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they were the sort of giveaways
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for me that I was like, "Hmm,
I like shields,
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"you don't seem to like them as much
as me."
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Now, Nick, you
were suspicious of Cat from,
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I think, episode five. Yeah.
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But you decided to keep
that to yourself.
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Yeah. Which is a very clever plan.
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But how do you feel about how
the plan played out in the end?
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Oh, I think I thought I
was being clever,
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and then it
all just backfired a little bit.
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I think as soon as you...
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There was one Round Table
where you voted for David
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that felt just...
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just didn't ring true,
for some reason.
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And I thought...
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And at first I thought it
was you and Lucy,
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I remember thinking it was you,
Lucy and Jonathan. Yeah.
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And I thought you and Lucy were
in cahoots.
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But that was wrong.
I mean, I was wrong
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pretty much every single step of
the way, in every episode, I think.
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I don't think that's true at all.
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I think there were people
that were more wrong than you.
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OK. And I'm naming no names.
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David, next question for you...
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What do you think it was
about Cat's game
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that meant
that so few people suspected
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her right up until the end?
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Well, I think a number of people
did suspect Cat,
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but we did this thing where we would
suspect somebody, have
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a conversation with one other person
and then totally forget
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that at the Round Table.
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We just kept doing
the same thing.
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We'd, you know...
I think we had a conversation,
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I think, episode five, about Cat.
And then we both voted
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for somebody else at
the Round Table.
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So there was not much...
I think you voted for me. Yeah.
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I was, yeah. That's what I meant
by "somebody else".
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Cat, the night you go into
the Turret
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to meet your fellow Traitors and
you see it's Alan and Jonathan,
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how confident are you at that point
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that you can move through the game
as a group of Traitors?
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I just found it so funny when it
was Alan, I couldn't hold it in.
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I think... I was really confident
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because I just thought it was quite
a rogue trio.
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Like,
I really didn't expect it to be me.
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And then when Claudia tapped me,
I was like,
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"Oh, my God, what the heck?"
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So when I saw it was Alan,
I was like...
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when I saw it was Alan
and Jonathan, I was like,
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"I feel like we can get pretty far
because Jonathan's a great talker."
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As we could see. He got through
so many Round Tables. And then Alan,
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all he had to do was go...
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and everyone just went,
"Oh, it's not him."
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So it was a fabulous trio.
Well, yeah,
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one of the big dogs is out
the kennel.
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Jonathan is with us here.
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You seemed very pleased that Cat
and Alan were your comrades,
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Jonathan. Do you think it's the
difference in personalities
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that made you confident about
the group?
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I think I was just, I mean,
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I was just happy to see someone else
up there with me.
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I mean, but, I mean,
I know Cat a little bit,
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and I knew how calm she is,
and I know how she presents
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as being very calm,
so I thought that would be useful.
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And when Alan came in,
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I just think, you know,
he's so much fun to spend time with.
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I mean, looking back now,
Alan played a far more kind
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of tactical game than I thought
he was at the time.
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He was far cleverer with it,
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and I knew you were very tactical
as well.
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A lot of the time, I mean, a lot of
the time
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we'd go up there and I'd
say,
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"I think we should kill so-and-so."
And they both talked me round,
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and we wound up killing someone
who I really thought
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we shouldn't kill. But they had
a better grasp of the game, I think,
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really. Are you happy
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that it was a Traitors' win
in the end?
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Oh, yeah.
That's all I really wanted.
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I mean, you know, and that's what I
think is probably different
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about this version of
the game to the regular version,
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is that it does become more like
the two teams against each other,
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but I really wanted to see one of
them, or ideally two of them,
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get through to the end.
And you did, of course.
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But having watched last
week's episode,
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there's no way I thought either of
you were going to survive.
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And for that,
I think we do need to thank Nick.
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You're very welcome.
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JOE: Let's thank him, shall we?
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I cannot, I cannot believe...
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We'll get to it, Joe.
Don't worry, we'll get to it.
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You will have your chance to have
a say.
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The handy p collapse!
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It's amazing being in
the room with your stare.
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It really is unsettling, Joe.
My stare? Your stare, yeah.
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Oh, yeah, the stare.
Yeah, the stare.
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What is the stare? It's your face!
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Thank you. How did it feel watching
the final back? Yeah, it was fine.
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No issues whatsoever.
Um, me and Nick are
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all right. Me and David are all
right. Uh,
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just struggle to make eye contact
with them from now on.
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I mean, I was sitting in the row
in front of you watching that,
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and when you saw you get banished,
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you did shout "scumbags" at them.
Did I?
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No, I didn't mean that.
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I didn't mean that, I was...
I just couldn't work out...
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I still... I don't think until we
spoke... I said, "What was it?"
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And it was
because I was, like you just said,
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being polite and saying...
I wasn't saying sorry to Cat
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because I was Judas-ing her like
you did me... I was so convinced.
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I was saying sorry to Cat
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because I really liked her
and enjoyed my time together.
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Sorry, mate. You know... When Joe...
What happened?
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When Joe and I text each other
after we got out of the castle,
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he continually refers to me as
Judas,
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and then occasionally replaces
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the U with a heart,
which is quite nice.
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You were arguably, Joe,
the most accurate Traitor hunter.
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Mm-hm. Because you got
Cat and Alan correct.
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I mean, you were more on
a Traitor safari.
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You didn't actually
hunt all of the Traitors.
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And, of course, you were
the leader of the big dog theory.
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I mean, how did you do it?
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Because you seemed to have
all these brilliant theories,
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but you couldn't quite convince
everyone of them.
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Well, yeah.
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They were sort of stolen theories,
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the majority. I was like,
"Oh, that sounds good. That...
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"Yeah. Yeah, we'll go with that one
and then amalgamate one."
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And then trying to convince the rest
of the players to get round it
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was a lot harder than I thought.
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Kate, why do you think people
latched on to the big dog theory
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and not other theories, for example,
the sun-dried tomato theory?
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I can't... I can't imagine.
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I'm genuinely flabbergasted
that they didn't go with...
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I mean, the sun-dried tomato -
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it's very, very common
in criminal law,
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the sun-dried tomato theory.
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So, yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
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David, I want to ask you about
that final Round Table,
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because obviously it came
to two apiece for you and Cat.
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You'd obviously had a lot of
suspicion on you... Yeah.
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Throughout the game,
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including that incredibly tense
Round Table with Mark. Yeah.
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Yeah, I remember.
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Did you think that
this was it for you?
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Did you think your luck
had finally run out?
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I was mainly thinking that this
was our kind of last chance
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to try to get a Traitor.
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I wasn't really thinking
about me getting voted out,
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and I had come round to that point
by talking to Nick in particular,
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thinking it was Cat.
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So I was mainly focused on -
can we get a Traitor?
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Joe's grand plan went up
in flames, sadly. Sorry, Joe.
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How did it feel in that moment
when David and Nick voted for you?
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Cos you seemed genuinely
surprised.
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I think you'd been amazing
throughout the game of putting on
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a face and really,
really sort of psyching people out
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a little bit
and maintaining this character.
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And you're doing it to me now,
and I know what you're doing, Joe.
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But in that moment,
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you seemed to drop everything,
and you were genuinely surprised.
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I was...
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It was a combination of,
like, gutted.
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I was like, "Oh, no, I really...
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"Like, this has backfired, massively.
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"What have I got wrong?"
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And then I just wanted...
I was desperate to get out
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and go, "Right, where's Cat?
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"I need, like, to see you."
I knew you were a Traitor,
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but I was like,
"I just need to see you."
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I'm sorry I voted you.
Even though it was a Traitor,
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it was... Yeah, it was a surprise.
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But there's no hard feelings
at all cos, ultimately,
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it was just a really,
really big, fun game.
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You'd said you had
some suspicions over Alan.
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I did.
And then you didn't vote for him.
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You didn't vote to carry
on the game.
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I didn't vote...
I didn't vote for Alan once
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in the whole show, I think.
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But going into that endgame,
you were like,
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"I've got some suspicion."
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And the way the game works is that
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if no-one's saying whether
they're Traitor or Faithful,
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the safe thing
to do would be to carry the game on.
388
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Yeah. But you didn't.
You didn't do that.
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Can you talk us through
the thought process?
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I just don't know
what I was thinking.
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I feel like...
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Alan's just very...
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Alan is incredibly persuasive
because he is so relaxed
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and he is so Alan and he's so...
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He was just so convincing throughout
the whole game.
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And I just was like,
"You know what? I think...
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"I think we've got it.
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"I think we've now just got
that final Traitor,"
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which I believed to be Joe
at that point.
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How did it feel watching
the final back?
401
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It was... I mean,
I was sat behind you, so...
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I was just an absolute wreck.
403
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,199
It's so great.
It's such great telly.
404
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,479
Can I...? Big shout-out.
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I don't know the name
of who composes the score,
406
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but the score is absolutely
phenomenal. Yes! Yeah.
407
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,959
Because it is... It is so...
408
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It feels like you're watching
a Marvel movie or something.
409
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It is just cliff-hanger, suspense,
release, suspension, tense...
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It is all the emotions,
and that last, yeah,
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that last 15, 20 minutes,
412
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I was just clinging
on to Joe and shouting at Cat.
413
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It was brilliant, Nick.
414
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,759
Me and Nick bumped into each other
in town the other day
415
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and he dragged me down a dark alley.
416
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It was very Traitors-esque.
417
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He dragged me down a dark alley
and went,
418
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"Everyone's going to hate me."
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But we don't hate him, do we,
at all? No!
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That wasn't everyone. OK.
421
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Was about 30%. God!
422
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And then came the time
to reveal your identities.
423
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But before we discuss
that with our winner, Alan,
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I have my own reveal to do.
425
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I've been teasing on Uncloaked
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about my secret cameo
in the main show,
427
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,319
and have been telling you at home
to watch out for my Easter Ed.
428
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,719
Did you spot me?
429
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,520
Well, I can now exclusively reveal
where I was hiding.
430
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,519
For me, the only time I saw you
ever intimidated in the game,
431
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,799
Joe, do you remember
the mission in the cabin?
432
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,479
Mmm. So as you approach,
there's druids lining the path.
433
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Yes. And then
there's one druid in the middle.
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They swing your door open
435
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and pull you out of the car.
Pulled me out the car.
436
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,399
You seemed very scared by that guy.
437
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,439
My adrenaline did spike. Yeah.
438
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,679
And I was like,
"I'm going for this one."
439
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,999
From what I could tell, the druid
wasn't scared of you at all.
440
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,919
And he did...
He did really, really well.
441
00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,239
He did do really well. Yeah.
442
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,159
Even though
he's not normally a druid.
443
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,199
What's that f... What...
444
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,479
Would you like to tell me...
445
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,759
Yes... who was that druid?
446
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,919
Me. I was the druid.
447
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,479
You were that druid?!
I was that druid, yeah.
448
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,799
Are you taking...
449
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,359
Are you taking the mick?
450
00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:13,679
I was the druid.
451
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,280
I was ready to fill you in.
452
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,639
Cos you kept going...
You kept going,
453
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,999
"Oh, you're just going
to touch me, are you?"
454
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,520
This is so good!
455
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,999
Yes. I wasn't the drummer
from episode eight.
456
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,679
I was, in fact, a druid.
457
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,199
Nick, you were the other person
I dragged from the Land Rover there.
458
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,399
Yeah. Yep. Do you want to...?
I mean, we did tell you,
459
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,999
we did film a reveal. Do you want
to tell everyone what happened
460
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,879
when I revealed to you
that I was the druid?
461
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,759
Well, from memory, I mean,
462
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,479
I knew that it was you
right from the start
463
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,959
cos I could see your eyes.
464
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,199
And Ed and I were at uni together.
465
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,479
I was slightly after him.
466
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,759
And so I've known Ed for ages.
467
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,159
I was like, "Well, that's Ed."
468
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,759
I was gutted when you told me.
469
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,239
I was so excited
to reveal it to you.
470
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,319
And it was a... There was a real,
actually, sense of relief.
471
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,279
I was like,
"Oh, one of my friends is here!"
472
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,479
It was really...
It was really nice.
473
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,319
But, yeah, I mean,
I knew it was you instantly.
474
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,719
Well, now's the time
you've all been waiting for.
475
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,999
After sweating and worrying
he'd be worse than Linda
476
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,919
to cold-bloodedly killing
his friends,
477
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,919
our winner, Alan,
is about to join me.
478
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,399
But first, here's the moment
he spoke to me in the castle
479
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,359
just after he pulled
the charity prize money
480
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,440
from underneath
Nick and David's noses.
481
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,439
Here he is.
482
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,559
Hello. How are you? Oh, the winner!
483
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,720
The winner. You! Oh.
484
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,399
Welcome to Uncloaked, Alan.
485
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,039
Oh, thanks for having me, Ed.
486
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,639
Congratulations, the winner.
487
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,519
I know, it still hasn't sunk in.
488
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,479
It's insane, isn't it? It is insane.
489
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,319
When Claudia initially
selected you as a Traitor,
490
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,679
did you ever in your wildest dreams
see yourself at that endgame
491
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,599
and winning the whole of the show?
492
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,279
No, no, no, no, no. I did not even
think I would get this far.
493
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,999
My agent,
this is a little exclusive,
494
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,079
had actually booked in things
for the second week...
495
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,799
because he said,
496
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,839
"Alan," he said,
"with your poker face,
497
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,919
"you'll be out two days in."
498
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,279
And I actually believed him.
499
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,719
And that's even before you knew
500
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,679
whether you were
a Traitor or a Faithful,
501
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,239
you'd just assumed,
whichever you were,
502
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,959
you were going to go out early.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
503
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,679
I mean, I'm like
that when I go through customs -
504
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,279
I start sweating. You know,
when I go into a newsagent's
505
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,839
and it says, "No shoplifting,"
506
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,999
I'm like, "Oh," like that. You know?
507
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,919
It's just... I just feel
like I'm guilty,
508
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,639
and I've got the worst
poker face going.
509
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,919
I mean, it's like
a tug-of-war with my face.
510
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,119
That endgame, as well,
felt like the first time
511
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,279
that we saw serious Alan
in the game. Yeah.
512
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,359
Yeah. Was that a challenge?
513
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,479
Did you suddenly feel different
at that endgame?
514
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,999
I did feel different.
515
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,839
And it's that weird irony -
516
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,679
the more missions you do,
517
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,319
the more you spend time with people,
518
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,599
you are like a family,
and that's cheesy and bleurgh!
519
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,479
But it is true because when you see
the money behind, I mean,
520
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,999
£87,500 for a charity,
521
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,559
that's when, yeah,
"Come on, Alan, stop giggling."
522
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,279
Celia said something lovely to me
before I murdered her.
523
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,439
She said...
524
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,879
She said,
"Alan, you're surprising.
525
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,799
"You surprised me
the way you ran across that bridge."
526
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,519
And I thought,
527
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,479
"Well, that's the best you can
do, is surprise yourself."
528
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,079
So, yeah. Alan, are you proud of
how well you played the game?
529
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,279
So proud. Really, really proud.
530
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,479
I found out about myself -
531
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,479
I can be a chameleon,
532
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,479
I can chat to people,
I can lie, I can...
533
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,279
When the pressure's on, I can do it.
534
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,279
When Stephen Fry talks
or David talks,
535
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,479
I go quiet.
536
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,479
I'm not worthy,
I'm not intelligent.
537
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,199
But maybe sometimes
you do need to question,
538
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,839
stand up for yourself and go,
539
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,799
"Actually, I think this."
540
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,479
Yeah. So, yeah, yeah.
541
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,639
I think, well, I think you winning
has absolutely proved that.
542
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,079
Yeah. Idiots can do well.
543
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,399
The winner of the first
UK Celebrity Traitors,
544
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,079
it's Alan Carr!
545
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,520
There it is.
546
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,959
Alan, congratulations again.
547
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,319
What a huge triumph.
548
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,879
Is it fair to say
that no-one is more shocked than you
549
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,239
that you managed to pull this off?
550
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,479
I am so shocked.
And it is true what I said.
551
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,239
I had to ring up my... the woman
who was dog-sitting my dogs
552
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,239
because I thought
I'd be back after two days.
553
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,039
And I said, "You've got them
for another week."
554
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,479
And it just kept getting more
and more and more.
555
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,999
Completely surprised.
556
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,479
I don't know how this happened!
557
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,399
I really don't.
558
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,119
Look, and when we were
watching it back,
559
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,759
you got a big standing ovation
right at the end there.
560
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,839
Oh, I know, I know. It's so amazing.
561
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,759
I feel... I do feel bad
for doing it,
562
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,359
but I mean, what can you do?
563
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,479
It's... You know, I mean, I felt
bad. Yeah!
564
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,719
But you played the game and you were
incredible at it. I know.
565
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,359
I know, I know. I know.
566
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,679
How did it feel watching
the endgame back?
567
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,319
Oh, God. So emotional.
568
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,199
I mean, me crying as well!
569
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,479
I mean,
cos I couldn't remember how -
570
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,759
cos Joe was onto us,
571
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,199
and I couldn't
remember how you got voted out,
572
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,239
but then I lied and said you'd told
us all to vote for David,
573
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,439
and I'd forgotten I'd lied!
574
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,919
What have I become?
575
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,679
You did quite a lot of lying,
actually, Alan.
576
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,679
I did loads of lying!
And I started loving it.
577
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,799
I just hope there's not,
like, a murder in my street.
578
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,319
You know what I mean?
I open the door. "Hello, officer."
579
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,480
"I didn't see anything."
580
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,839
So, yeah. I mean, it just comes
really naturally to me.
581
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,679
I mean, yeah.
582
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,159
Can we talk...
Can we talk about your journey
583
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,239
from sweaty Alan
to serial killer Alan?
584
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,639
Yes, please.
585
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,159
What was the moment
that you dried out and thought,
586
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,639
"I can do this"?
587
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,519
Well, it was when I...
588
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,039
When I killed Paloma...
589
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,039
I... Give me a break!
590
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,519
Because the thing is,
when I killed Paloma, yeah,
591
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399
I felt sick inside.
592
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,959
And you've got to remember,
593
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,799
it was such a cruel twist
to touch someone's face.
594
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,319
Now you're the only... Maybe...
And Jonathan was a Traitor.
595
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,399
I couldn't do it. I mean, if I
touched any of these other faces,
596
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,879
I'd be sent to HR, you know?
597
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,639
"Oh, Ruth. Hello!"
598
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,839
You know, I can't, so...
599
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,759
And then when she came down for
breakfast the next day,
600
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,759
I went, "Oh."
Cos I felt so sick, I thought,
601
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,599
"Oh, good,
she hasn't been murdered."
602
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,439
I was so pleased. "Lovely."
603
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,719
And then we go outside,
604
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,119
you're dressed as Queen Victoria.
605
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,919
We then go to a funeral.
606
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,559
I then see one of
my best friends put in a coffin
607
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,319
and sent off.
I went, "This is not going well.
608
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,399
"This is not what I wanted."
You know?
609
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,279
But then I got a taste for it.
610
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,559
I couldn't stop. Yeah.
611
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,599
And then after I killed Paloma,
then I got all the gays getting...
612
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,319
Because of when we killed Tom Daley.
613
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,079
"Oh, great, Alan,
614
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,799
"killing off all the eye candy."
I'm like, "Hello?"
615
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,999
And...
616
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,479
And then...
617
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,239
And then I saw him in the shower
soaping himself up. Yeah.
618
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,879
And I thought,
"Argh! I killed too soon."
619
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,000
"Maybe one more week,
maybe one more week."
620
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,600
But then, you go...
621
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,319
I think it's fair to say
there are a few moments
622
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,919
throughout your time on the show
where we might have thought,
623
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,079
as viewers, "I'm not sure
if Alan can pull this off."
624
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,119
One of them was certainly
when you had to say,
625
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,479
"I am a Faithful," to everyone...
Oh, my God.
626
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,719
And laughed halfway through.
627
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,479
How do you adjust your
game plan after things like that?
628
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,799
And do you adjust your game plan?
629
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,079
Well, I thought I was finished then.
630
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,399
I thought I was finished
631
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,359
when I went, "I'm... Faithful!"
632
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:49,759
I thought, "Oh, that's it."
633
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,839
And then Joe was onto me.
634
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,479
And, yeah,
I just sort of gave up, really.
635
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,199
But I'm... But that's one thing
I found out about myself.
636
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,479
I am like a bit of a pushover.
637
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,199
But when Joe is onto me,
638
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,399
I'm like one of those cats
you get in Greece.
639
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,119
You know, those ones that are
like... You go, "Oh, hello."
640
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,199
You know, you go, "Oh, hello!
You look quite cu..."
641
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,479
Claudia, did you ever doubt
Alan's ability to pull this off?
642
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,879
Yeah.
643
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,679
Erm...
644
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,479
No, erm, I can say...
645
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,119
I hope you don't mind this.
646
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,119
But Alan started as Linda
and ended as Harry. Mmm.
647
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,399
He had an extraordinary -
because at the beginning,
648
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,759
when you came up to me,
649
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,719
"I'm... I can't do it."
650
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,279
And he was like, "I'm sweating,
I can't keep a straight face."
651
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,199
But he was absolutely...
652
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,839
A, you're utterly brilliant,
653
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,479
incredibly clever
and totally consistent.
654
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,279
So Alan was Alan. And if you didn't
suspect him from day one, it's Alan.
655
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,679
He can't say, "I'm a Faithful,"
656
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,199
he's forgotten he's had a shield.
657
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,199
My favourite Alan moment, almost,
was you talking to Celia.
658
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,839
And Celia said, "Can I trust you?"
659
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,999
And you went, "You can trust me."
660
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,679
And you had snakes
all over your top!
661
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,999
And I was like,
"It's right there, guys."
662
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,479
But it's interesting.
663
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,119
I thought, I'm quite happy,
at the beginning, to be a Faithful.
664
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,159
And then, of course,
when you're sitting there
665
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,039
and you've got the blindfold on
and you pick...
666
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,599
I mean, I don't know
what shoes you're wearing,
667
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,159
but you sounded like a shire horse.
668
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,399
I get a bit flamenco.
669
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,959
And then when you went round
and didn't touch me,
670
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,679
there was a little bit like,
671
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,999
"Oh, OK, I'm going to be
a Faithful. That's fine."
672
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,039
So I realised deep inside,
I probably did want to be a Traitor.
673
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,559
And then of course,
you come around again
674
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,799
and then when you squeezed my
shoulders I was like, "Oh, my God."
675
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,079
But you were so sweet.
676
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,879
Cos those chats
I have with everyone,
677
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,319
they're much longer than you see.
678
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,799
And as I said, there are some people
who just don't even...
679
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,319
Mark, like,
"I only want to be a Faithful."
680
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,159
Erm, and many others.
681
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,919
And then, you going,
"Did you really say that?"
682
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,679
I was like... That, literally,
word for word is what you said.
683
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,279
Erm... And you said,
"Yeah, I want to be a Traitor."
684
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,639
And then burst out laughing
and we were like, "Oh, yeah, fun."
685
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,599
I think if I did have a strategy,
I think it was... Look at me now,
686
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,799
now I've won, I've got a strategy!
687
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,119
I think what I did
was I picked one...
688
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,879
I mean, if I was pushed to do
a strategy, like with Clare,
689
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,279
I wouldn't let her go
about the lever.
690
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,679
Yes. And then with Mark, you know
when you get all Braveheart -
691
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,519
"I want to win!" - like that?
692
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,759
I said, "Why are you
being all like this?"
693
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,359
And then poor old Kate,
I was making out she was
694
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,799
Goldie Hawn, this dizzy blonde.
695
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,199
I just kept saying to people,
"Why? Why? You know,
696
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,399
"she's a broadcaster. She's live
on the telly every morning. Why?"
697
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,679
That's what I was doing. I mean,
698
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,999
have you seen that brilliant thing
on social media -
699
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,119
Kate Garraway repeats everything -
have you seen it?
700
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,559
"Someone's been recruited."
"Someone's been recruited!"
701
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,639
"Sun-dried tomatoes."
"Sun-dried tomatoes!"
702
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,399
But, I mean, I think if I had a
strategy, I just picked one thing
703
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,519
and really went,
"Oh, I don't know about them.
704
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,639
"They give me the heebie-jeebies."
I mean,
705
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,839
I hate to bang on too much about
the Trojan Horse mission,
706
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,559
but I do want to chat to you
a little bit, Clare.
707
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,079
Are you still...
Are you still kicking yourself
708
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,639
for pulling the lever? Oh, God, yes,
709
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,679
and will do for a very long time.
It was awful. As Alice, my wife,
710
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,439
said to me, "For God's sake, there
would have been no-one left onstage!
711
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,279
"26?! What were you thinking?!"
I was like,
712
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,119
well, I just thought,
start high and come down,
713
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,239
because we'll get more chances.
They're working it out,
714
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,039
Mark and Stephen are working it out,
715
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,079
and I'll just start trying.
716
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,879
And I was conscious of time.
By the way,
717
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,799
it makes total sense. Yeah.
It makes total sense.
718
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,999
Normally... You're very sweet.
No, but when you see
719
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,919
those kinds of locks -
you know, like a padlock? -
720
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,239
you have a couple of goes.
That's what you did... Yeah.
721
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,999
On the train, in fact.
So it made total sense to me. No,
722
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,399
I still feel really bad about it.
And then I sort of shrank.
723
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,279
But somebody talked to me
the other day about it,
724
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,319
and he's a legal advocate,
and he said,
725
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,279
"Although you made the mistake,
at least you did put your hand up
726
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,879
"straight away and go,
'Oh, my God, I am so sorry.'"
727
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,039
And then Charlotte gave her
shield up straight away,
728
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,679
for which she didn't get
enough credit,
729
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,319
so I'm giving her credit now. Yes.
730
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,799
And we carried on
and we still won the mission.
731
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,879
So actually, it didn't cost, it
didn't cost us anything money-wise.
732
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,359
Yeah. I just looked a major tit,
733
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,359
so I'm happy to take that for the
team. I'll just take the idiot,
734
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,799
you know, mantle. No, you weren't.
No-one thinks that, Clare.
735
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,799
Mark, I've just noticed
you're wearing a T-shirt, though.
736
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,839
Will you tell us what
the T-shirt says?
737
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,919
It says, "Jonathan Fucking Ross".
738
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,039
I... I would like to say
I have given him one too...
739
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,839
Oh, right, OK, good! ..as his early
740
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,359
Christmas present. That's brilliant!
741
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,759
We have to talk about
that final mission,
742
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,279
because that was amazing.
It looked incredible.
743
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,919
The explosion at the end. Cat,
744
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,959
how much did you enjoy
that final mission?
745
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,719
Your one last chance
to get money for the pot.
746
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,319
It was really fun. I mean,
747
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,079
if I'm being honest, I really
probably didn't do anything.
748
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,999
It was mainly Joe. As I was
to, like, grab something,
749
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,999
then I saw the, like, having to
take off the thing off the coffin,
750
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,279
and I was like, "Oh, that's
going to hurt my hands!"
751
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,479
That's why you did it.
752
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,279
You just sort of did everything
and I was like, "Oh, yay! The boys
753
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,519
"are doing things." What about...?
754
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,279
I think my favourite moment
of that mission, though,
755
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,919
was Nick dropping the lid on
Joe's head... Oh!
756
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,199
Repeatedly, and I just hope
757
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,959
you are friends now.
NICK: It was a precursor of
758
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,399
what was to come, really, I think.
Yeah. I should have known then.
759
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,439
Three times, mate! Three times.
760
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,159
It sounds really loud
when you watch it back as well.
761
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,239
Oh, it was. I mean, it literally
was a wooden lid
762
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,799
dropping on his head repeatedly...
763
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,559
Yeah... while we were basically
watching the new Chuckle Brothers!
764
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,159
Incredible!
765
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,919
Alan, you forgot you had a shield
and, obviously, Joe,
766
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,799
Joe picked up on this. Mm.
767
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,359
Joe, why do you think no-one else
got on board with this?
768
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,399
Because it seemed to be one of
the clearest bits of evidence
769
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,279
you had that Alan was a Traitor.
770
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,359
Again, a combination of not really
backing myself to convince everyone,
771
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,439
but also, I was madly in love with
Alan as well. Yeah.
772
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,319
Like, even when I went after him
773
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,119
and he came back at me
like the Greek cat,
774
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,799
I then was like,
775
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,759
"Oh, bless!"
776
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,519
I was like, "Mm, OK, fair enough."
777
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,479
So, yeah, I think there might
have been something inside me
778
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,879
that was like, "I quite like Alan
still being in the game."
779
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,919
Because we were duped, weren't we?
He was being
780
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,639
really friendly to us, weren't he?
Yeah. And we were like, we couldn't
781
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,039
believe our luck, because Joe was
coming and sitting with us, going,
782
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,839
"I think it's Nick and David."
We thought we'd won.
783
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,479
And we're like, "Yeah, Joe, yeah!"
Yeah. High-fiving and all that.
784
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,759
And then... That bit where you went,
"Oh, bless him!" as I walked off -
785
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,239
and I've only just seen that -
I went, "Oh, OK. I see."
786
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:35,599
But then when you put Cat
on the sleigh,
787
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,599
I couldn't... I mean, that was like
788
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,239
a punch in the stomach. Yeah. Mm.
789
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:42,719
That was... I was like, "Don't leave
me here! Don't leave me here!"
790
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,599
Nick and David, obviously,
neither of you
791
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,399
went for Alan in the end.
What is it about Alan Carr
792
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,359
that made you eventually
decide he was a Faithful?
793
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,999
Alan could have come down
to breakfast
794
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,919
in a green cloak
and I still wouldn't have thought
795
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,199
he was a Traitor!
796
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,999
I... I just thought someone
who was a Traitor
797
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,919
would look a bit less guilty
the whole time. And you just...
798
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,079
Alan was being himself. And also,
it's, you know, it's the thing,
799
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,719
you just made me laugh
the whole time.
800
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,719
Aw, that's very sweet! Yeah.
I was too busy laughing...
801
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,159
Aw! ..to be suspicious.
802
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,359
NICK: I think it's something that...
803
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,599
I think it's something... I think
it's something that Tom said,
804
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,479
actually, really, really
early on, was that
805
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,519
comedians, or some of the stand-ups,
806
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,479
could sort of slightly deflect
by just making you laugh...
807
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,759
CAT: I said that.
Was it you said that?
808
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,919
Yeah. Sorry, Cat. I apologise.
And it's so true.
809
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,479
And actually, Alan was just
810
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,519
being Alan and is so hilarious,
like, inherently hilarious,
811
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,279
that it just completely threw us off
812
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,959
at every single point.
Were you worried about
813
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,679
the way Alan was acting, though,
Cat? Because we saw loads of
814
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,719
moments where you just had to
tell him to be quiet!
815
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,879
Yeah, but... Even at the last, even
on the last episode, just going,
816
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,999
"Please, don't, don't shout." I was
shocked when I was cutting up
817
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,199
that lemon and I watched it
on the telly. Yeah.
818
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,279
"WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, CAT?!"
819
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,719
I didn't think I was that loud.
I feel like after a few days in,
820
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,159
or a few episodes in, I was
kind of like, the best, like,
821
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,959
exactly what I said to Nick,
comedians, the best way
822
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,639
to disarm people is make them laugh.
So people would be suspicious
823
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,559
of Alan and then say something to
him and he'd just make them laugh,
824
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,359
and then they'd go, "Oh, ha-ha!
Never mind!" So I was like,
825
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,559
Alan's never going to get caught,
because no-one
826
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,879
could think that he could do it.
I mean, even with Jonathan, I went,
827
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,479
"I did it."
828
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,199
Yeah! Yeah! Yes. By the fire pit.
"I did it." Yeah. Yeah.
829
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,519
Jonathan said,
830
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,199
"I'm going to have to have
a word with him about that."
831
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,319
Alan, that final...
that final Round Table,
832
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,039
when you saw that Joe
had switched the vote
833
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,919
that you thought he was going to do
and he voted for Cat,
834
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,440
what are you feeling in that moment?
835
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,359
Oh, I mean, yeah, I was shocked.
Like I said, I thought
836
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,479
he was... I thought
we'd really got him.
837
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,719
And then, yeah, and then I did...
838
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,559
It was like a punch in the stomach.
I felt physically sick.
839
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,479
And then I felt so alone
840
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,439
because, you know, we were a great
team together. Mm. So,
841
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,879
yeah. Yeah, it was... Really,
842
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,119
you did pull the rug from...
And he'd been so sweet,
843
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,639
so lovely and all that.
But did you think you were, like...?
844
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,519
Did you think Nick was then going
to vote against you as well, then?
845
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,879
Or did you think...?
I didn't really...
846
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,799
You know,
I just didn't really think.
847
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,479
I don't...
848
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,759
I don't know. It was quite emotional
for you at the end, though.
849
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,679
We saw you go quiet. Oh, well,
all the lying and all that,
850
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,119
it all just came bubbling up
and it was, er...
851
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,119
Yeah, and then, I think,
you know, about getting...
852
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,239
But, you know, the charity
I picked... I mean, I'm not...
853
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:31,199
I don't want to...
But, you know, listen,
854
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,719
the charity I picked is
a really great charity
855
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,599
and I know that that money is
going to do them so much good.
856
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,639
Yeah. So that was there.
I was thinking about
857
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,079
all the lovely people I'd murdered.
858
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,319
I felt bad,
and then it all came up.
859
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,159
And then when I saw that green
come up, I was like,
860
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,479
"Oh, my God!" And then I
got the choke, like that.
861
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,479
And then I thought, "Oh, God!"
And then... I mean,
862
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,159
your reactions when it came out.
Let's remind
863
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,800
ourselves of that emotional moment.
864
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,999
Oh... It's
been tearing me apart.
865
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,520
I'm so sorry.
866
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,599
DAVID: You did brilliantly, Alan.
867
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,959
You did brilliant.
You did brilliant.
868
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,079
You did brilliant. It's a game,
869
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,279
and you played it brilliantly.
You did brilliant. It's a game.
870
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,839
So... What you didn't...
871
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,359
What you didn't see, I turned into
that Greek cat and bit him!
872
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,159
Alan, you said there
it was tearing you apart. It was.
873
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,919
Cat, can I ask you -
as someone who watched Alan
874
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,159
write the murdered player's name
every single night on the scroll -
875
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,719
did you feel like it was
tearing him apart?
876
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,959
No. Honestly, like,
walking around that castle,
877
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,199
seeing how stressed Alan was
all the time,
878
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,319
I was like, how does nobody
see that it's this man?
879
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,119
The only one that could kind of see
was Clare. Yeah. And I was like,
880
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,199
if I was a Faithful, I would have
gone to Clare quite early on
881
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,319
and gone, "I think the same thing
as you, but let's not
882
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,799
"say anything until a bit later.
883
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,679
"Let's round up some numbers." And
I think that's why you ended up,
884
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,959
like, going. But I just...
885
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,199
He was so nervous throughout.
886
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,279
So when, like, when I saw you cry,
I just started crying...
887
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,479
Oh! ..because I was just like,
"Oh, Alan!"
888
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,079
I mean, I just wanted to climb
inside that suit of armour
889
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,839
that's in the hallway.
890
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,639
Just close the thing down and
just... Do you know what I mean?
891
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,519
Just leave me alone, everyone! What
about you, David? In that moment
892
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,359
that Alan got emotional,
you ran over to comfort him.
893
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,759
How are you feeling? Well,
it was such a genuine moment.
894
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,119
It just poured out of Alan.
895
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,839
And it was... It snapped us
out of that thing. You know,
896
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,399
this is a game. And the genuine
nature of Alan's response
897
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,799
just made us... You know, the
obvious, the human thing to do
898
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,079
was to, you know, give him a hug
and say, "It's a game and you won.
899
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,599
"You did brilliantly."
Now, Alan, before we go,
900
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,279
there's a bit of
"unfinished business",
901
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,919
to quote you. We've heard
from Paloma on Uncloaked,
902
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,479
but we want to hear - how was it,
murdering your good friend?
903
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,319
It was...
904
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,039
Oh, God!
905
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,359
He can't even do it!
It was so awful.
906
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,599
It was so awful. And it was weird
because, you know, I love, you know,
907
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,679
I'm a fan of her music,
I've been a fan of hers for ages,
908
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,399
you know, we are friends,
we go on each other's podcasts.
909
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,479
So, yeah,
it absolutely really hurt.
910
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,319
It really did. Now, with the nation
watching, do you think it's time
911
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,679
for an apology? I mean,
Paloma's sat right there.
912
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,839
I am so sorry.
913
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,399
You know I am.
And I want to tell everyone
914
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,559
that I'm the father of her child.
915
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,599
It was great...
We had... We had a make-up hug.
916
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,519
One thing led to another!
917
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,839
I have been known to turn people,
918
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,639
and it was an enjoyable experience
for both of us, I hope.
919
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,319
But I just also want to say that
I think observing tonight
920
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,119
and going through my whole
plethora of hormonal emotions,
921
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,679
I feel that the reason
why Alan won
922
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,479
and the reason why I was so sad
was because
923
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,439
we all love him so much.
924
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,159
Oh. And I... I love you so much,
and I'm so happy that you won
925
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,599
because it was bloody
worth it, then. Yeah.
926
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,759
But I think that most people didn't
vote for you because they're like,
927
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,999
how can we vote someone
that's so lovable?
928
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,359
And it really concludes that thing,
that you won it,
929
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,199
you hurt me and I loved you,
930
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,759
but... Only love can hurt
like that, though! Yeah.
931
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,639
Only love can hurt like this, and...
932
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,439
Yeah, and I just think he won it
because everyone loves him,
933
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,799
and the nation loves him, and
I'm just really happy that he won.
934
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,559
Sorry for rubbing it in by putting
your head on the coffin,
935
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,359
by the way. It doesn't look
anything like me.
936
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,119
On reflection,
937
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,519
how do you think the experience
has changed you?
938
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,399
Oh, my God, I absolutely loved it!
939
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,359
I absolutely loved it. We spent
the whole time, didn't we, laughing?
940
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,919
And it was absolutely joyous.
941
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,359
And honestly... Would I do it again?
Of course I'd do it again!
942
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,399
I think people would know
if I turned up again!
943
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,039
"Cooee!" I don't think that act...
944
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,159
"Oh, hello. Don't mind me.
What am I like?!"
945
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,639
I don't think it would work...
946
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,559
No... a second time! You would be
out before the first Round Table.
947
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,479
I know, I know, I know! There is
no way that's working again.
948
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,319
I know, but it was wonderful.
I loved it.
949
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,199
And the response
has just been amazing.
950
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,239
I'm cracking up at all the memes.
And it's just weird,
951
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,639
I've never... Of all the shows
I've done, I've never
952
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,759
had anything like this.
You know, people going past
953
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,799
on a bike, "Traitor!
Who are you murdering now?!"
954
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,559
So it has been absolutely amazing.
I recommend it, it's wonderful.
955
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,119
Well, look, you've been incredible.
We've had iconic line
956
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,279
after iconic line.
Particular favourites,
957
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,719
"Kate Gone-away.
I'm worse than Linda.
958
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,519
"You can't suspect someone
just because they've got
959
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,999
"a better vocabulary than you.
960
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,399
"What's a knighthood
when you're dead?"
961
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,119
Oh, God!
962
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,159
And of course,
and this is my favourite,
963
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,359
"If Kate doesn't come down for
breakfast, people will just think
964
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,799
"she's gone into a broom cupboard
by mistake!"
965
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,200
KATE: You're so right!
966
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,159
And, Alan, I'm giving you an
opportunity now to right a wrong,
967
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,359
to pull something off properly.
968
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,159
Can you look us all in the eye
969
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,840
and tell us that
you're a Faithful, please?
970
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,679
Ha-ha-ha!
971
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,719
Ha!
972
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,159
I'm a Faithful! Yes!
973
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Alan Carr!
974
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,680
Thank you so much.
975
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,999
Thanks to all of you.
976
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,439
You've brought us so much
entertainment this series.
977
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,719
You've been incredible. The first
series of Celebrity Traitors
978
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,479
was absolutely epic. A massive
round of applause, please,
979
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,719
for our finalists, Claudia
980
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,719
and the Faithful and Traitors
from this series!
981
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,919
The chat continues in your
982
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,399
BBC Sounds bonus episode,
983
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,839
where I'll be chatting more
to Claudia, Alan, Cat,
984
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,439
Joe, David and Nick. We'll be
hearing about the most surprising
985
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,999
friendships in the castle,
the players' favourite missions
986
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,919
and which celebrities were the most
different from what they expected.
987
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,159
That's in your
BBC Sounds app right now.
988
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,559
Scan the QR code on-screen
989
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,599
to get your final
Celebrity Traitors fix.
990
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,799
If you've watched this and
thought you'd be better at
991
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,119
catching the Traitors -
let's be honest, not difficult -
992
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,159
good news, casting for
Series Five is open.
993
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,679
Head to bbc.co.uk/takepart to apply.
994
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,239
So, there it is,
the end of the first series
995
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,359
of Celebrity Traitors. 19 celebs,
two murders in plain sight,
996
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,959
a lot of screaming down a well,
997
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,239
one mysterious druid
and a fart heard around the world!
998
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,599
Thank you for watching
this series of Uncloaked.
999
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,319
We'll be back before you know it
for Traitors Series Four.
1000
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,279
But for now, I'm Ed Gamble.
Stay faithful!
1001
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,000
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