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Hello and welcome to another episode
of Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked.

I'm Ed Gamble and this is the
official visualised

companion podcast where we'll be
picking apart every twist,

turn and betrayal from episode six.

Quick warning -
if you haven't watched yet,

this podcast will be packed
with spoilers,

so go and catch up on iPlayer,
then come back and join us.

Here's what we have coming up.

The big dog Faithful himself,
Stephen Fry, will be here

in the studio to break down his time
in the castle.

Mark Bonnar will be joining me
to discuss

that dramatic double deadlock.

We'll also hear from Joe Wilkinson
after he left the game,

and bring you the exclusive moment
I reveal to them all

who the Traitors are.

And helping me solve the mystery of
what on earth we've just seen,

it's Jaz from series two.

Yes, Jazatha Christie will be here!

This programme contains some
strong language

Welcome, Jaz. Look, what a night.

What a night. We've lost three more
Faithful, suspicions are climbing,

and the Traitors are,
to quote Celia,

"Playing a very clever game."

They're unbelievable. I don't know
how they're doing so well.

The Faithfuls should be able
to ring someone up,

just so that that person just

answers and gives them a helping
hand.

Just a bit of a steer
in the right direction.

See, I love watching them flail,

I'll be honest.
I think I'm a Traitor at heart.

Look, we've got a lot
to get through tonight

because we need to unpack the
chessboard mission...

Oh, my God, yeah... Nick and Joe
Marler's sabotage of that mission,

and this is exciting for you, Jaz,
and for me,

Sir Stephen Fry will be joining us
on the sofa in just a minute.

Oh, my days.
Let's rewind to Scotland,

where I caught up with him moments
after his dramatic exit

from the castle, and I revealed
exactly who the Traitors are.

Oh! Ed Gamble, how nice to see you.

Welcome. Welcome to Uncloaked.

Thank you. Grab a seat.

Oh, good gracious. Freedom.

Welcome to Uncloaked, Stephen.
Thank you, Ed.

Nice to be here, in a way.

Yeah. Sorry it's under banishment
circumstances. Yeah.

How are you feeling post banishment?

I'm fine. It was inevitable.

Um, as the footage will show,
I was expecting it.

Let's talk about this
big dog theory.

Yes. Because that was the theory
that it could be you,

it could be Jonathan.
Because Claudia would pick one of

these big dog/national treasures.
Yeah.

If by that you mean sort of
household name status

or whatever else,
it's all a bit embarrassing.

But, yeah, we sort of know
what's meant.

In that case, there's only Jonathan
and Alan left, really.

So it's possible they're Traitors.

I hadn't really thought either
of them were, but I...

I lost all faith in whatever
judgment I thought I had anyway.

You know what's about to happen now.

I do. You're about to find out
who the Traitors are.

I am.
We're going to hold off slightly.

I'm going to tease you
a little bit longer,

because I want to ask you
who you think the Traitors are.

Prepare to scoff loudly.

I'm going to say Joe Marler,

David Olusoga and Cat Burns.

OK. Why Joe Marler?

You know, first he presented
as quite shy and silent,

but with the odd,
amazingly, surprisingly good joke.

But he's become so...

And he started to have moments
in the Round Tables where he,

he really steers and pushes
and makes things known.

Cat I just suspect because she keeps
so quietly in the background.

And David, I...

Because he's so smart,
so in control, and I can see him

just coolly working out
the right person to murder.

OK. The moment's here, Stephen. Oh!

Here we go. I'm going to pass you
the scroll.

One at a time. Here we go.
All right.

Break the seal.

Jonathan.

FFS!

I mean...

Oh, he played a blinder.

We knew he was a superfan.

We knew he knew better than any
of us how the game works.

But he convinced me he wanted to be
a Faithful

and then be "recwuited,"
as he put it.

Can I unfold the next one?
You can unfold.

Yes, Cat! I knew it, I knew it!

I am so pleased about that.
I really am.

And I got it for a good reason,
as well as an instinct,

which was the sleepiness.
Yeah.

Oh, well, that's something.

And you're one of the very few
so far.

Yeah. She's got a free pass.

Every time her name comes up,
"Oh, I don't think it's Cat."

This time...

Ah.

Alan!

What will Paloma say?

Wow! Does he just want to end
the relationship?

Alan Carr!

"I don't believe that!"

Two big dogs! Two big dogs.
And one small Cat.

Wow.

And Stephen is with us now!

Stephen... Absolutely incredible.
Welcome to Uncloaked.

We're delighted to have you here.

Hello, Ed, and hello, Jaz.
Nice to see you.

Lovely to see you.
It's the big dog.

Have you ever been called
a big dog before?

I don't think I ever have. From now
on, I'm happy to accept

that that's what I am.

Whether it's a Great Dane
or some smelly mongrel with mange,

I'm not sure.

What made you sign up for the show
in the first place, Stephen?

Watching it.
I watched the second series

and I was just immediately hooked
by the human, the human drama of it.

So when, amazingly, the phone rang
I found myself saying yes.

I've been in television for 40
years, but I don't think I've ever

done anything that's had such an
instant effect.

Every building site and bus shelter
I go in, every taxi ride,

every shop I go into,
people are saying,

"Oh, yeah, so who are you going to,
who are you going to vote off?

"Who are you going to banish,
Stephen?"

Or they're going to say,
"Can't you see that it's Alan?

"Surely you can see that it's Alan."

I'd say, "No, I couldn't!"

And, you know, the public
consciousness

has been truly excited by this.

Of all the places that you spend
time, Stephen, I wouldn't expect you

to shout-out building sites
and bus shelters first.

I walk past them, you know.

Did the reality of being in there,

did it differ from
what you were expecting?

Yes. You can't really prepare
yourself for it, can you?

It's an extraordinary feeling.

I think you said a one-liner right
in the first episode,

which I just thought, it described

the whole Traitors experience
so perfectly.

You went, "So we're about
to enter a blizzard of horror."

And I was just thinking,

that is exactly
what you're about to enter.

Well, this is why on the first
episode of Uncloaked,

there were a few things you said
in that initial episode

that you reminded me of some teenage
goths I used to hang out with.

It was "a blizzard of horror,"
and then it was looking at all

of the portraits and everyone
was really excited,

and you said, "Well, they'll be
covered in red crosses soon."

Let's talk about the missions.
How did you find doing the missions?

Did you have
any particular favourites?

I have been worried that they would
all be a bit like the Trojan Horse

and involve a huge amount of effort,
because it was a bit knackering.

Although I was stupidly proud of the
fact that I was next

to a loosehead prop who played
for England at rugby football,

and he was as exhausted as I was.

And his whole job as a loosehead
prop is to do that,

is to push and go like that,
and grab people's testicles

and all the other things
that rugby players do.

But, but... And kindly,
he didn't do that to me.

But so I, you know, but I didn't
want all them to be too physical.

Yeah. It's traitorous behaviour,

grabbing someone's nuts
during a mission.

You really threw yourself into
the missions.

I did. Yeah, yeah.

There's that moment where Claudia
suddenly gets worried.

"Oh, no. Stephen Fry's just dipping
his head under the water,"

and you're just, like, shoving your
head right in the water.

It was fantastic.

Yes, I kind of surprised myself, really.

Because I don't really like physical
challenges very much, as a rule.

At school, I'd do anything.

I'd give myself asthma attacks
to get out.

Get out of doing any sport
or anything like it.

We've just watched the chess
mission. Now, there was quite a lot

going on in this mission,
with last-minute team changes

and acts of sabotage. That's right,

and Nick had a most peculiar
interchange with Joe.

That's right, swapping. And I
couldn't quite understand that.

It was clear that Nick was
presenting as someone

who was fiercely trying to trap
a Traitor somehow by doing this,

but I couldn't quite see
his working in it.

You came under a little bit
of suspicion

in the team swap thing there,
Stephen, as well, for seeming

a little bit grumpy about having
to swap.

I was grumpy!

I was, I was grumpy.

I was so convinced I was going to be
murdered that night.

I don't know why. I just had this
feeling that my time was up.

And you know,
I'm not grumpy, exactly,

but I was like, ooh, yeah,
a bit put out.

Reflecting on your experience now,
Stephen,

if you had to choose again, would
you ever choose to be a Traitor?

I'd like to see if I could do it.

I suppose that's one of the things
about Traitors,

and I'm sure many viewers
watching would love to participate.

Not because they want
to be famous on television,

but because they want to see
if they can do it.

I think that's the key to the game,

that people just want
to play the game.

They really want to. Assuming it was
the first thing you checked

when you left the castle,

did you find out how
many deaths there were

in Romeo And Juliet
and Hamlet combined?

I forgot to check, actually.

I'm still going through.
Tybalt, Mercutio, Paris.

I think you said 13. Oh, 13.
When you were in.

You're right. 13. Yes.

It's actually 14.14! It's 14.

So, yeah, six in Romeo And Juliet,
and eight in Hamlet, apparently.

And if you ask me
any follow-up questions,

I have nothing to give you.

Now, still to come, we'll hear from
poor murdered Joe Wilkinson.

But before that, Mark will be
joining me in the studio,

fresh from
that dramatic double deadlock.

Here's the moment I caught up with
him in the Highlands

to tell him face-to-face
who those pesky Traitors are.

Come in. Hello.
Welcome to Uncloaked. Thank you, Ed.

Grab a seat. Thanks for joining us.
Merci.

Thanks so much for joining us.

Sorry it's in, you know,
banishment circumstances.

Well, you know, hey-ho. That's the
game.

As an actor, do you think that gives
you an advantage in the game?

No, I think there was a few people
that thought that.

I think that it actually might be
a disadvantage.

It's not about how good an actor you
are or what kind of actor you are.

It's about the person you are
and your ability to,

you know, maintain
a huge amount of subterfuge.

You know, and I just didn't.
I didn't want to do it

and I didn't think I could
or would be very good at it.

And in terms of subterfuge,
you sort of weren't even keeping

the fact you were looking
at other people, to yourself.

Thinking back on that,
I don't know...

I just... I wanted
to see everybody's face.

But, yeah, in hindsight,
I should have done that more subtly.

I think it was the funeral
in particular, when I saw you...

I know, I know.

Edging away from people and going...

And then the full head like that.
I know!

And I was just thinking, Mark,
can you not just look sideways?

Just do that with your eyes.

But you have the full head tilt
like an owl.

I know, that was a bit,
not performative,

but I thought it would...

Maybe somewhere at the back
of my head,

I thought it would do me good,
you know, for people to know

that I'm looking, you know?

I'm a Faithful
and I'm looking at you.

Trying to play the game. I know.

This is a big moment. I know.

You're going to find out
who the Traitors are.

Before I do reveal it to you,

I'm going to ask you
who you think they are, first.

Last night, I thought possibly
Joe Marler,

Nick, possibly Alan,

and one of either Stephen
or Jonathan.

Talk us through those, then.
So, Joe Marler.

He is so inscrutable.

Whether he is joking or not,
you can never quite tell.

And Nick was another one
you thought.

He's very careful with what
he says,

and the way that he says it.

He's been in and out of my kind
of peripheral vision

as far as Traitors are concerned,
as has Alan.

I find Alan...

Alan and Stephen have a very good,

a very strong sort of persona.

That persona kind of would be
a very effective shield

to stop people getting in.

And Jonathan
for the kind of same reason.

Jonathan is very kind of languid.
It's just anything.

It's anything we can possibly
grab... Yeah.

To hang our hats on.

So who are your definite Faithfuls?

I would probably say Joe.

I'd probably say David.

I'd probably say Cat.

Well, this is the moment, Mark.
You're going to find out.

I can't believe it.
I'm so nervous.

We'll go one by one.
OK. Here we go. OK.

I knew it.

Read the name out for us.

Jonathan fucking Ross.

Right. Wow. Well played, man.
Well played, though.

He's really good at it.
Yeah, he's doing very well.

I need to see who else is in that
turret with him. Can I look now?

That was, that... Yeah.

Man, she's good.
It's Cat, by the way.

Just in case you didn't know.

Because when you said that,
when you said,

"I'd like to hear from Cat,"

I was like, hello.
He might be on to her here.

Ah, no, I wasn't.

No, I wasn't, I actually...

Well I said just just now,
I thought she was 100% Faithful.

She was one of your definite
Faithfuls, yeah.

This is exhausting.

Oh.

It's Alan.

"I've got a theory about you."

Well played, though.
Do you know what?

On our walk out from the
Traitor choice table,

I was beside him,
and I glanced at him,

and he was like that,

and I thought, "Oh."

And I've never mentioned it again.

Oh, man.

And Mark joins us now.

Welcome, Mark.

Watching that back, I don't think
I've got as much joy

out of a Traitor reveal so far
this series.

I am loving every single second
of that. Oh, my God.

And I think it's how invested you
are and the intensity

that you put into the game.

Yeah. And it's maintained when you
found out who the Traitors were.

Yeah. If I've learned anything
from doing this,

it's that I can't really sit back
and be cool.

I am kind of like a bunny
or a horse on heat...

Not a horse on heat.

Whatever. I'm just kind of giddying
up for it.

Oestrous mare. Yeah.

It was obviously a very
stressful final Round Table for you.

Joe Marler came at you. Yes.

Alan challenged you on wanting to be
a Faithful.

Yes. And then it went
to this deadlock situation

for the first time in UK
Traitors history. Yes.

Before we talk about
that dramatic moment,

we're just going to remind ourselves
of what happened.

David and Mark, whoever received

the shield will be protected
from tonight's banishing.

So to both of you then,

please open the chest
in front of you in five...

four...

three...

two...

one.

Well done, man.

I mean, it's obviously a huge moment
in Traitors history

and incredible to be part of
that moment,

but a gutting way to go.

Yeah, really...

I mean, to go by chance is... Yeah.

I mean, although it was
a Traitors first.

It was the gods.
It was the gods.

Yes, it was the gods!

What was the tension like
in that room?

Oh, it was really...
You could cut it

with a Black and Decker
tension cutter.

It was extraordinarily tense.

And some people will be watching
and they think,

"Oh, for heaven's sake,
you're grown-ups.

"It's a game. What on earth...?

"You looked as if, you know, you
were about to face a firing squad."

I really did.

Yeah. That is the feeling you get
in there.

When people are gunning
for you, especially,

it feels personal.
It feels personal.

It's hard not to take things
personally in that game.

Yeah. And you think, "Oh,
it's just a game," you know?

But you naturally will do, like,

as you mentioned before with Joe,
you know,

bringing your name up
and he's saying

that because you're
an actor you'd be a great Traitor.

But at the same time, that's someone
that you're naturally close with...

Yeah... and you're going to take
that personally.

But I feel like Joe is playing it
perfectly at the moment.

He is.

Joe Marler was watching Line Of Duty
on his time off.

Do you think that had a bad effect
on his opinion of you? Yes!

Yes. That would have done.

Yes! He said in the group chat
as much, you know,

he said, "Sorry, Mark, I think I was
just watching...

"Confusing you
with Dryden too much."

I was like, "What?" And I said
that to him

when we were sitting on the bench
in the garden,

I said, "Whatever you do,
don't confuse me with Dryden."

Yeah. You know, but he did.

It's time now to hear
from our latest

murdered player, Joe Wilkinson.

He couldn't be here today,

but I caught up with him right
after he was murdered,

to hear his first reactions
and to reveal who the Traitors are.

Oh, dear!

He's been murdered. Hello.

You look well. You too.
Grab a seat.

Thanks for coming.

Ah, well, I had to, contractually
obliged.

Welcome to Uncloaked, Joe.
Cheers, Ed.

Look, it's great to have you here,

sorry that you've been murdered.

That's all right.
Don't worry about it.

Joe Marler, you seemed to developed
quite a friendship with him in there.

I got really lucky having Joe
in there

because he's so much fun
and such a lovely man.

But he kept going to me,

"If you are a Traitor, I'm going to
be so hurt."

And I'm like, "What if I am?"
I can't go...

"Sorry, guys.
I'm going to have to tell Joe."

Do you think being a comedian
in the game

makes it easier or harder?

I just think we're slightly bigger
prats. That's all.

I was really looking forward to...

I think it really made me laugh
when people started to read into

what I was doing, because I wasn't
doing anything.

When I would throw up,

like I'd throw up an opinion,
I'd go,

I was expecting, like, a real shock
as I'd go...

"OK, gather round...

"I've got a strong suspicion it's
Jonathan Ross, for this reason."

And I thought everyone
would be like...

but what would happen,
people would go,

"All right, anyway, how's your mum?

"How's your mum? She all right?"

Like, nothing went in!

Cos like...

I'd affected nothing
for days upon days upon days.

Why is that, do you think?

Well, Cat Burns said that I spoke
like every letter was lowercase.

And so it just doesn't
have any impact.

Yeah. And she's spot on.

She said, "You just don't
have any impact."

Were you expecting to have
as much impact as Sir Stephen Fry?

Um, I wouldn't... put myself

in the upper echelons
of Stephen Fry, but I thought...

people would absorb some, something.

Yeah, but when Stephen Fry makes a
speech and then you say something,

you essentially seem like a man
in a betting shop.

Well, the only reason I'm not in
a betting shop is because I'm here.

You're about to find out
who the Traitors are.

You don't have to tell me.

Do you know, I'm going to wait
for the telly show.

Before I show you,

I do want to know your theories
as to who the Traitors are.

I think it's Jonathan.

Why Jonathan?

Because I just think he...

would have been a, quite a loud
voice...

in the turret. Mh-hm.

I think Cat. Mm-hm.

Only because one of the last
things we talked about

is thinking about
the last person you think.

So I think Cat, and I'm
really hoping this one's true,

I really hope it's Celia. Yeah.

Because she kept saying...

"These Traitors are very clever.

"They're very, very clever."

And that would be her basically
saying, "I'm very, very clever."

Who are your definite Faithfuls,
Joe?

Joe Marler.

Nick, Lucy...

and Kate Garraway. OK.

There's a name per fold.
We'll do them one by one.

Sure.

Jonathan, Cat and Alan.

Yeah. You've just gone through
them all.

Yeah. You've taken them in?
Yeah.

You were correct about Jonathan.
Mm-hm.

You were correct about Cat. Mh-hm.

And who was the last one there,
for me?

It was Alan.

So you didn't mention Alan
as a Traitor,

but you didn't have him
down as a definite Faithful either.

Uh, no.

The one thing I didn't think was...

I think Alan is the only
one I'm like,

"He's playing an amazing game."

Yeah. Fair enough.

You got two out of three,
it's very impressive.

Yeah, it is. It is. If only...

If only anyone listened to you at
the Round Table.

Exactly. If I didn't speak
in lowercase,

this would have been...

This would be done in a couple
of days.

Could have all had a couple
of weeks off.

Not the most dramatic Traitor reveal

we've done all series,
I've got to say.

Very funny. But everyone seemed
very affected by Joe's murder.

How big a loss was Joe to the group,
do you think?

There were those
who were very close.

Joe liked him
and they were very close.

The Joe-mance, we call it here.
Yeah, were very close.

I think Nick and he
were very fond of each other, too.

And they were a bit kind of angry
at the Traitors.

Sometimes you do feel angry

about the Traitors' choice,
don't you?

Yeah, yeah. Why? That is...
They are mean!

Look, we're very sad
that Joe couldn't be with us today.

I mean, I'm acting
as if he's actually been murdered.

He just couldn't make
it, schedule-wise,

but he has apparently sent us
a little message

for everyone at Uncloaked

and answered
a few of our burning questions.

Hello, um, Ed and the audience of
Uncloaked.

I'm sorry I couldn't
be there tonight.

Um. Absolutely gutted.

Love, I love Uncloaked,
I think it's brilliant.

And I think Ed is brilliant.

He's a brilliant presenter
and I don't tell him enough.

Um, but anyway,
I'm sorry I can't be there.

I'm involved in a quite

a large boot sale at the moment.
LAUGHTER

Um, not just selling,

but also I'm involved with

taking the money at the gate.

And it's quite a big

commitment this end.

So, um, apologies.

"Has anything surprised me now
that I've seen the episodes?"

Yeah. I'll tell you
what has surprised me.

Which, I'll be honest,
has bugged me,

is you hardly ever see the room
with the snooker table in it.

"What's it like watching

"conversations you weren't there
for?"

Ooh, I love it. I love having a
listen to the other

conversations because it's
like being invisible, isn't it?

You go, "I can hear
what you're saying.

"I can hear you gossiping."

I'm not a Traitor. I'm not...

See? It's just the way I carry
myself.

"Would you have preferred
to be a Traitor

"or still a Faithful?"

Ooh. Well, I've said from day one

I wanted to see the turret.

I wanted to have
a little mooch about the turret,

hang out with Claudia...

scheme.

Just basically have
more turret time.

I just wanted a bit of turret time.

I hope you have a lovely evening.
Bye.

Well, there we are.
There's only one Joe Wilkinson.

There is.

There's never been
a player quite like Joe, has there?

That did look like the, um,

your Ring doorbell vagrant
that you didn't want.

"I'm calling the police now."

"Go away! I am recording this."

Now, before we finish, there's a few

more things we need to talk about.

Mark, what did you make
of Nick and Joe's

secret sabotage of the chess
mission?

Um, I'm not sure.

What might not have been smart

was Nick revealing it at
the Round Table. Yes.

I thought that was quite surprising
that he did that.

Another pivotal moment

in this episode was Alan forgetting
he had a shield.

Let's have a look. Oh, my God.

I mean, I am really picky.

I feel after my cock-up with Mark,
just feels... Yeah.

And also the Traitors murder people

who stick their head
above the parapet.

But they didn't murder you
overnight, did they?

They also won't murder you tonight.

What?

You've got a shield.

Oh, yeah! Got a shield!

I give up, I give up.

Well, it's a huge moment.
That's really interesting.

Why didn't we pile on him more?
I know, I know. Crazy.

Joe's on the money again.

Yeah. But with Alan,
everyone just seems to be going.

"Oh, that's Alan." Yeah.

He just puts
his hand in front of his mouth

and goes like that and takes his
glasses off

and blinks and puts them on again.

And there you are.
And that's Alan!

Now, if you had to
pick who to murder next

out of Kate, Lucy or Nick,

who do you think you would murder
if you were in the Traitors' shoes?

Well, I'd see Nick
as the biggest threat.

Nick's the biggest threat, definitely.

And Lucy did say that, "Forget the
double bluff

"and the triple bluff
and everything else.

"It's Jonathan. Look at him."

Yeah, that was an amazing moment
where Lucy finally twigs.

"What if it's just the most
obvious answer?"

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Kate's had heat on her a few times

throughout the show so far,
so I think that's quite a useful

thing for them to have still around.
Yes.

Do you think the heat on Kate's
sort of worn off a bit now?

Now people realise that
is just genuinely her personality?

There is an openness about her,

and I think we certainly see now
that the things

that made her suspicious
to begin with, to some,

you know, the slight over-the-top
big laugh and everything

is just her character.
Her character.

We've got used to that.

I love that moment in the
chess mission where

she's voted as weakest player,
and she's delighted.

She's like, "My weakness has become
my strength." Yes!

Stephen, Mark and Jaz, it's been a
pleasure having you on Uncloaked.

Thank you so much for being here.

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over to BBC Sounds

for the bonus episode,
where we get into

what it's really like stepping into

The Traitors game,
and spill even more

of those castle secrets
with Stephen, Mark and Jaz.

It's in your
BBC Sounds app right now.

Just scan the QR code
on your screen.

And if you reckon you've got
what it takes to be a Traitor

or a Faithful next series,
head to...

to apply.

We'll be back after episode seven
for more Uncloaked.

But until then, I'm Ed Gamble.
Stay Faithful.

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