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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,039 Hello and welcome along to the Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,479 your official visualized companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,799 Now you know the drill. Make sure you've watched episode five 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,319 before you dive into this, because there are spoilers galore. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,719 Coming up... 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,199 Charlotte Church chats to me, fresh from murder, 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,559 and I reveal the identity of our Traitors. 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,479 Her reactions are priceless. 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,959 We'll be hearing from another dearly departed Faithful. 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,559 It's king of the side-eye, Tom Daley. 11 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,079 Plus, it's two for one on Faithful finalists 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,999 as Alexander and Leanne return from series three! 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,399 Alexander and Leanne, such a delight to have you on Uncloaked. 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,559 We were hoping to have Helen Mirren as well, but I'm too young 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,319 to know who she is, sadly. OK. Yeah. Not a clue! 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,119 And was it Julie Dench? No idea. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,239 I am Gen Z. 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,599 Look, we've got another packed episode to feast on. 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,999 We've got Charlotte Church. She's coming up, mere minutes. 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,519 But first of all, the mother of all cliffhangers. 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,999 The Round Table vote is a tie. 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,719 Players, it is still a draw. 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,160 Therefore, we will now leave this banishment to the hands of fate. 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,039 It's a double deadlock. This has never happened before. 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,079 This has never happened before in the history of UK Traitors. 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,359 Yeah. So this is absolutely huge, so tense. 27 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,079 Obviously you guys did not go through this, 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,959 leaving up a banishment to fate. 29 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:26,039 But do you have any sense of how they might be feeling? 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,439 You obviously know how tense the Round Tables are anyway, 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,319 but with that on top of it, how are those guys feeling? 32 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:34,319 I mean, it's a lot, isn't it? Because if you're voted out, 33 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:36,879 that's one thing, you say, well, I played the game the best I could 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,720 and unfortunately I got voted out. I kind of know how that feels. 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,359 But it's an honest exit, right? You did what you could, 36 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,799 but you didn't make it. Yeah. That's fine. But I think it's different 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,119 being thrown out with chance. You'd always look back and say, 38 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,959 well, if only the coin had fallen differently, or whatever they use. 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,359 I hope it's really theatrical. 40 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,759 Well, it is the Traitors. Yes. Um, so... Because we don't know 41 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,679 what it means yet. We don't know how their fates are decided. 42 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,639 Well, it's just going to be a bit disappointing for whoever goes out, 43 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,319 isn't it? Rock, paper, scissors? 44 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,439 Yeah, I think that sounds reasonable. 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,159 Yeah. Or maybe an arm wrestle, maybe we just go, spin the bottle, 46 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,719 or something like that. Spin the bottle might be a different game. 47 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,879 It ends differently, doesn't it, spin the bottle, yeah? 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,319 How would you feel if you were in that situation, Leanne? 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,759 Oh, horrible. Not the spin the bottle thing, I mean... 50 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,439 Oh, that? Well, then... 51 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,399 I think we should move on! 52 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,159 Oh, honestly, I think, you know, 53 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,039 because it would be such a sinking feeling. 54 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,159 Like Alexander just said, they hadn't been voted out. 55 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,279 Yeah. You know, it's literally left to chance. 56 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,799 We don't know how yet, but, you know, 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,399 if I left the game from a toss of a coin, 58 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,559 say, for example, I'd be devastated. 59 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,239 Yeah. What a cliffhanger. Well, look, whether it's David or Mark 60 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,519 that gets banished, one of them is going to be 61 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,359 with me tomorrow night on Uncloaked, telling me everything. 62 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,519 Now, though, we have another murdered player. 63 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,079 And to everyone's shock, it was Charlotte Church. 64 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,519 Straight after she was offed by a banshee, Charlotte sat down with me 65 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,960 in Scotland as I revealed who the Traitors are. 66 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,679 Hi, Charlotte. Hi! Welcome to Uncloaked. 67 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,199 Thank you so much! It's so good to be here! 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,719 Thanks so much for joining us. Happy to be here. Have a seat. 69 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,680 Join me by the fire. Wonderful. 70 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,999 Very excited to have you here. 71 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,039 Of course, the circumstances could be happier. 72 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,439 Yes. You are no longer in the Traitors game. 73 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,519 No. But I think you had a pretty good stint. 74 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,399 Are you happy with the time you got there? 75 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,159 I'm happy with the time I got there. 76 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,839 I feel like I had an experience of most things. 77 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,719 I'm sad that I didn't get to experience getting out a Traitor. 78 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,399 Mmm. Um, but I also think 79 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,239 that I would have found the intensification - is that a word? - 80 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,999 but the intense nature of the game 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,159 and that becoming progressively more pronounced, 82 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,559 that would have been quite difficult for my little sensitive self. 83 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,519 Let's talk about the missions. Yeah. 84 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,039 Because you got stuck in straight away, that first mission 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,239 before you'd even been in the castle... Yes. 86 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,239 Digging through the grave, looking for a shield? Yes! 87 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,599 Were the missions something you were looking forward to? 88 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,559 Yes, absolutely. I think that that was a big part of why I wanted 89 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,799 to come in, to have a challenge, have an adventure. 90 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,239 And, you know, those ones which are enormous, 91 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,319 like the Trojan horse was, I mean, 92 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,999 it was just so brilliant to be part of that. 93 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,199 But, yeah, the first one, as soon as those Land Rovers - bjoom! - 94 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,719 sped out, I was like, hang on a minute! 95 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,439 All is not quite as it seems. And, yeah, 96 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,759 I mean, being in the soil is one of my favourite things to do. 97 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,839 And so I had no problem with digging my own grave. 98 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,159 Now, you were very sure you were going to be murdered. 99 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,479 Yes. You were bang right. Yes, I was. 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,519 Why did you think that? 101 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,759 Why did you feel like you were going to be offed? 102 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:54,879 I feel like probably because I was so vocally a Faithful, 103 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,759 and then I was, I think, good at representing myself as a Faithful, 104 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,119 then I don't, I think that the Traitors couldn't use me 105 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,959 as sort of a diversionary tactic in terms of trying to frame me 106 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,799 as a Traitor. And so, then, what use was I to them, actually, 107 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,759 where, um, hopefully, 108 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,639 hopefully I might have become, 109 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,559 you know, more discerning as the game would have gone on. 110 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,599 Um... and, yeah, so I think that I would have been a threat 111 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,719 to the Traitors, had I stayed. 112 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,639 And, then, yeah, I couldn't... 113 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,759 it would have been difficult for them to really frame me 114 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,279 as a Traitor. And maybe a couple of them did vote for me 115 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,479 at the Round Table, potentially, and it wasn't really sticking, 116 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,559 so they thought, she's of no use to us, 117 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,679 let's pop her off. 118 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,159 Rather excitingly, we are going to tell you who the Traitors are. 119 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,239 You're going to find out for yourself. 120 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,719 I'm going to hand you a scroll. It's right here. OK. 121 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,399 But before I do that... Chomping at the bit. 122 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,759 I'm going to make you wait, I'm going to make you wait. OK! 123 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,199 Because I want to know who you think the Traitors are. 124 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,559 So, by the end of my time, 125 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,839 I think my suspicions were on Mark, 126 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:09,279 Jonathan and Celia. OK. 127 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:12,199 Those are your top three. They were my top three. 128 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,919 Why Mark? Mark, because he seemed to be... 129 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,079 I could feel him acting at the Round Table. 130 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,279 Also, how hard he went for Tameka. 131 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,999 And then with Jonathan, I think that again, 132 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,359 he was becoming more and more of a patriarch, 133 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,239 and he didn't seem to be driving himself as mad as everybody else. 134 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,119 OK. And who are your definite Faithfuls? 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Oh! I don't think anybody! 136 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,719 Maybe Nick, maybe Kate... 137 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,599 maybe Cat. 138 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,159 But that's it. OK. It's the moment, Charlotte... Oh, my God! 139 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,159 I'm going to hand you this. The names of the Traitors are on here. 140 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,759 We'll go one by one. OK. There you are. 141 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,839 Oh, my gosh, this is so exciting. 142 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,199 Oh! 143 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,879 Oh, goodness me! 144 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,599 Oh! 145 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,199 Jonathan. 146 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,599 Jonathan! And you said Jonathan. I did. 147 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,359 You're one for one so far. One for one. 148 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,839 Cat! 149 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,879 So she's one of your close to 100% Faithful? 150 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,399 She is. Oh, my gosh, she's playing an exquisite game! 151 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,959 I really wanted to believe that she was Faithful, as well. 152 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,079 Here we go. 153 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,519 Alan! 154 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,199 Didn't cross your radar at all, seemingly. 155 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,999 Oh, my good gosh. 156 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,759 Oh, my days! 157 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,359 Alan, you sleaky little Alan! 158 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,279 Oh, gosh, Paloma, she must have been fuming! 159 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,439 Oh, my days. 160 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,599 I think that Jonathan is... has probably not got long. 161 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,159 But I think that Cat and Alan, wooo! 162 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,720 That is going to be tough. Wow. Wow. 163 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,039 Great reflections from Charlotte there. 164 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,919 Charlotte hasn't been without heat at the Round Table. Mm. Yeah. 165 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,879 But these Traitors don't seem to care about that? 166 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,559 They don't seem to want to just leave people to be banished. 167 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:44,159 But I do think Charlotte would have been a threat to the Traitors. 168 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,399 I think she's a very, very clever woman. Yeah. 169 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,119 I think she's all the right things, right? 170 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,399 She wasn't too Faithful, in my view. 171 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,319 She had some heat on her. She wasn't too sort of dodgy as a Traitor. 172 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,879 So it wasn't obvious to banish her. 173 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,799 She was right in the middle, which is where you want to be. 174 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,239 And she was good at the missions. So I think she got unlucky. 175 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,639 I think she played it really well. Well, some time's passed, we were 176 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,039 desperate to catch up with Charlotte again, 177 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,679 but she's sadly unavailable today. 178 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,239 So she sent us a video message and started by telling us 179 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,999 what it's like watching the show go out. 180 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,799 It's been great watching the show go out so far. 181 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,359 I mean, I enjoy Traitors anyway. 182 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,079 I hardly watch any telly at all, but I do enjoy Traitors. 183 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,559 And so, yeah, it's just so juicy and everybody's so interesting. 184 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:32,439 You know, you've got some really amazing people and characters 185 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,639 and brains and experience in that cast. 186 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,999 So, it's been really great to watch. 187 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,399 And I, like I think most of the nation, 188 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,319 have fallen madly in love with Celia Imrie. 189 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,479 I'm getting lots of love from my friends and family, 190 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,879 and I've been having a lot of people coming up to me 191 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,159 in the street. The postman the other day was like, 192 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,439 trying to get some information out of me, trying to catch me off-guard. 193 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,599 When I phoned for a doctor's appointment the other day, 194 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,479 even they mentioned it, making reference to "my girls", 195 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,159 and, uh... 196 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,239 that was a little bit awkward! 197 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,959 I think my favourite moment of the series 198 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,039 was probably Celia's parp. 199 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,439 Which was just amazing! Just because she's so cheeky 200 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,879 and mischievous and like, 201 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,759 yeah, she's, um... 202 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,839 oh, she's just so regal and fabulous as well. 203 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:38,039 And also, I just love farting. I love farting in in all of its forms. 204 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,799 I think we should all be doing more fluffing. 205 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,839 Great value, as always. From Charlotte, 206 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,279 Leanne and Alexander, what are you going to miss most about Charlotte 207 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,199 from the game? Oh, her energy. 208 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,039 She's so... she's got so stuck in. 209 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,119 In the missions, she's not holding back. 210 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,079 Her head was straight in that water. I'm not sure 211 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,639 my head would have been in that water as fast as hers, 212 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,919 I can't lie. Now, we saw in Charlotte's castle chat 213 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,559 that she also suspected Mark. So, there's so much suspicion for him, 214 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,039 if Charlotte had still been in, it wouldn't have been deadlock, 215 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,679 because I think she would have gone for Mark as well. What do we think 216 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:13,479 Mark can do, if he escapes this banishment, 217 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,879 what do we think he can do to bat suspicion away from him? 218 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,879 I think I always had a sort of plan. 219 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,519 I had notes on how I would push suspicion away. First absorb 220 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,919 and say, "You know, yeah, look, that's a fair point, 221 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,999 "And I can see what you're saying. It's this and it's this, 222 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,759 "and you make a good point on that." But I would also say, 223 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,159 and then you lay out your defence, but you do it quickly, right? 224 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,919 You just want as little time on you as possible. And that's where 225 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,279 the third thing comes in that you say, actually, 226 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,239 "Have you thought about David?" 227 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,679 Because what I'd be looking for is somebody 228 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:43,759 who has been quiet for a while, or whatever it is that they've done, 229 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,039 it doesn't really matter what they've done, 230 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,039 you just need a principle and then make them stick 231 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,959 to that principle and then move it on. 232 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,239 Somebody who's really starting to find his voice is Nick. 233 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,959 Now, Nick is obviously very suspicious of Cat, 234 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,719 but his gameplay around this is fascinating. 235 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,159 Cat has been playing an absolutely brilliant game, 236 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,199 and there was something in the fact that, you know, 237 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,919 she had the shield, but we chose to not tell everyone 238 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,359 that she had the shield. 239 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,799 I didn't buy that. And I do think she's slipping 240 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,119 under the radar in the most brilliant way. 241 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,919 But I don't think I'm going to name her at this point, 242 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 because I think it's safer to ally myself with her. 243 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,759 How do we rate Nick's strategy here? Do you know what, 244 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,639 it can go one way or the other. It could be a really good idea, 245 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,959 you know, to build an alliance with Cat, 246 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,999 because obviously she's a Traitor. But we could have another season two 247 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,479 Jaz, where he might leave it too late, 248 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,319 and then no-one's going to listen to him at the end, 249 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:38,759 and then he's lost it. 250 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,159 He's playing his own little game, is Nick. Personally, I love it. 251 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,959 I think this is great gameplay. 252 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,039 Find a Traitor, sit close to them, and then ride it a little bit 253 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,199 towards the end of the game and then turn. Yeah. 254 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,159 I think that maintaining your behaviour is so important... Yeah. 255 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,439 In the game. In the first couple of episodes, 256 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,719 as we've seen, if you do something that stands out, 257 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,879 you run risk of just being banished for that. 258 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,919 Yeah. But if people see you keep doing it, 259 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,599 like, Alan has sort of kept his behaviour pretty much the same. 260 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,479 Kate Garraway under pressure earlier, because she was 261 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,879 sort of loudly repeating things 262 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,319 that other people said, which I love! 263 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,599 And then she keeps doing it. And eventually people just say, "Oh, 264 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,719 "that's just Kate", or, "That's just Alan." Yeah. 265 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,239 And then you sort of baseline to a different, different thing. 266 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,199 And everyone just accepts you as you are. 267 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,439 And at that point, you're much, much safer. 268 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,679 So let's talk about Alan's growth as a Traitor. 269 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,439 To be sitting there and outwitting Stephen Fry, I mean, 270 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,159 it's like beating Albert Einstein in chess or Cluedo or something. 271 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,599 I just started stuffing cheese 272 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,279 in my mouth because I can't stop grinning. 273 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,919 Isn't it funny? I was so nervous when Claudia 274 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,159 squeezed my shoulder blade, and now I just love being a Traitor. 275 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,799 Do we think he's in danger of getting too cocky? 276 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,959 If anyone can get away with it, Alan can. 277 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,239 Yeah. He's very... he's very scatty, 278 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,999 he's very giggly, very sweaty. 279 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,439 But also, from the beginning, he's been throwing names out there. 280 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,479 He's been calling people out left, right and centre, 281 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,039 and he's just getting away with it. Also, he can get away with saying 282 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,199 really horrible stuff to people, because he's so charming. 283 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,879 Yeah. It's just Alan! If Alan accused me of being a Traitor 284 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,199 and was horrible about something I did, I'd be like, "Oh, Alan! 285 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,319 "What a joy it is to be roasted by you." I think it's one to watch. 286 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,519 I sort of saw him as a ticking time bomb. 287 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,159 Now I think of him as a sort of evil genius. Yes. And then the next phase 288 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,039 is sort of some sort of karma. So let's see. Exploded time bomb. 289 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,159 Exploded time bomb, yeah! Well, look, we've had a lot of memes 290 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,399 based on Alan's first few episodes as a Traitor, in the cloak, 291 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,479 walking around with a lantern. Oh, it's great, those. 292 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,439 Going to put the bins out, etc. 293 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,079 And some of Alan's deflections have already become quite legendary 294 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,999 as well. Let's not forget this from episode two. 295 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,919 "Oh, my gosh, I'm flabbergasted!" Who uses that word. 296 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,159 You can't... just call someone a Traitor 297 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,359 because they have a better vocabulary than you. 298 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,919 And that is as good a moment as any to bring in the wonderful 299 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,639 Tom Daley from LA! 300 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,519 Hellooo! Hey! Tom, welcome to Uncloaked. 301 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,759 How many times have you used the word flabbergasted 302 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,879 in everyday conversation since leaving the castle? 303 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,599 Flabbergasted is like, one thing, right? I genuinely was like, 304 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,719 "Who still uses that word?" It's like saying whoopsie-daisy. 305 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,919 It's like saying discombobulated. At least, like in 2025, 306 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,479 you've got to be flabby-geeed, or like... 307 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,039 Flabby-geed! 308 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,719 You got to have your flabbers gasted at some point, you know? 309 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,839 But flab... I don't know, it was, it just caught me off-guard. 310 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,559 Bless. But I do love Kate, though. I feel really bad 311 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,839 that like, it's come out and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, 312 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,399 "like, why is she using that word?" But she's really sweet, bless her. 313 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,399 This is what I love about Traitors is that you can go in and start 314 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,719 watching the series - we had no idea that the word flabbergasted 315 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,999 would take the nation by storm, such as it has. 316 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,239 Who knew? And it's weird, because I'm in LA, I don't have the... 317 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,119 I'm not, like, involved in, like, all of the UK chat as much, 318 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,159 so now, whenever I see anyone British, or any time I post anything 319 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,479 on social media, everyone's like, "Oh, flabbergasting! 320 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,039 "Oh, I'm so flabbergasted!" And I'm like, 321 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,719 "Oh, my gosh, like, is this...?" And I'm like, I feel like 322 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,039 at some point I need to knit a flabbergasted jumper. 323 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,399 I think that's my next thing. 324 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:05,679 I think you absolutely should. 325 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,959 Have you been enjoying all of the memes from the, from the side-eye 326 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,759 as well? Yeah! Well, I had no idea that my side-eye was that obvious. 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,039 Well, like, I knew that I gave a little side-eye, like, 328 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,639 "Oh, God, here we go." But I didn't realise that my face literally 329 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,479 looked like I was gurning into some kind of side-eyed monster. 330 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,239 But, you know, it's... I mean, it is what it is. 331 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,599 It was so much fun. I wish I could have stayed longer. 332 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,239 I can't believe that, you know, when I was about to, 333 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,599 you know, when I didn't come to breakfast, 334 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,159 I was so gutted because I was so excited about all of the missions 335 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,559 to come and all of that stuff, but, you know, 336 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,559 it is what it is. 337 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,319 You definitely went way too early. 338 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,519 I mean, I'll bring in Alexandra and Leanne here, 339 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,799 but I think Tom was going to prove himself 340 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,039 to be quite the useful Faithful? Oh, 100%. 341 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,119 You are such a huge loss, Tom. I'm devastated. 342 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,199 You brought so many iconic moments. 343 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,999 You've brought flabbergasted back into existence. 344 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,119 If you didn't pick up on that, I don't think it would have ever 345 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,159 been picked up on. Tom, during our chat 346 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,319 up in the Highlands after you left the game, 347 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,599 you were absolutely desperate to know how Paloma 348 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,479 had been murdered in plain sight. 349 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,719 Yes. You really wanted to know. You asked me a lot. 350 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,839 I was under strict instructions to not tell you. 351 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,439 Now that you've finally seen Alan touching Paloma's face, 352 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,639 what did you make of it? Yeah, I mean, 353 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,879 I would never have known. I mean, I found myself trying to be 354 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,759 as observant as possible with, like, 355 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,359 with things like the black lily and the things like 356 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:31,519 what animals are up on shelves and where are things placed? 357 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,199 Because I was like, you never know when that's going to be a question 358 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,719 in a mission. You never know if that's going to be something 359 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,039 that's going to be used to murder someone. But, you know, 360 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,999 I didn't pick up on the black lily at all. So... 361 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,879 It felt like you were a kind of great sort of Traitor hunter. 362 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,679 And your time was cut a bit short. You were super observant. 363 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,039 You watched everybody, you watched everything. 364 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,839 And you were certainly sort of picking up all of the information. 365 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,399 Yeah. I think that's something that, as, you know, 366 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,759 as an athlete, you become quite a high-perceptive, 367 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,359 so when I'm spinning around and twisting and turning as a diver, 368 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,799 I have to see every single thing when I'm spinning, to know 369 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,359 where I am in the air. So you learn to pick up on these little things, 370 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,479 to be able to keep self-centred and be able to be like, 371 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,679 keep yourself safe. So for me, walking into a room, 372 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,759 doing the mission, and looking at the gates 373 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,039 and trying to pick up on all the little bits 374 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,559 I felt were quite important, um, but I think obviously the Traitors, um, 375 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,679 saw that as something that maybe if they slipped up, 376 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,079 I might be someone that might have been able... Yeah. 377 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,319 To sway people to banish them. Yeah, definitely. 378 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,799 Tom, I'd just be super interested to know how it was for you, 379 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,159 the difference between what you expected, having seen a few series, 380 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,439 and actually, what it was like being on it, 381 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,639 was it the same thing, was it different? 382 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,399 Yeah. I mean, it was terrifying. Like, especially going into 383 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,319 that Round Table. The only Round Table that I was at, 384 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,279 people started coming for me 385 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,279 and I was like, "Oh, my gosh, what am I going to say here?" 386 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,959 And it was kind of, like, surreal to see it all play out. 387 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,239 And, you know, when you go into it 388 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,599 thinking one thing, and then everybody has those discussions, 389 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,759 and then you end up being like, "Oh, wait, maybe I've got it wrong." 390 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,399 And then you start doubting yourself and you start thinking, 391 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,199 OK, my name's come up. 392 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,639 Niko's names also come up and I feel like more people 393 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,759 are going to vote for Niko. And then you find yourself, like, 394 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,679 voting to try and save yourself, 395 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,879 but not necessarily who you believe is actually a Traitor. 396 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,599 Tom, you were quite outspoken with some of your suspicions 397 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,879 in the game, which was a lot of fun to watch. 398 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,039 Obviously, you were suspicious of Kate being flabbergasted, 399 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,439 but you also had your doubts about Clare, after she messed up 400 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,999 the Trojan horse mission. 401 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,439 You've known Clare since you were a wee lad. 402 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,759 Did you not believe her when she was so remorseful about the mission? 403 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,279 You know, looking back on it, of course, like, it makes sense. 404 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,039 But knowing that the Traitors met, 405 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,239 I knew that they were up to something that day. 406 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,359 Like, who knew what it was going to be, whether it was going to be... 407 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,479 It ended up being a murder in plain sight. 408 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,399 Were they trying to sabotage the mission? And something like that, 409 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,839 yeah, it looks like an honest mistake. But in this game, 410 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,719 honest mistakes can cost you your life. 411 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,919 So it's... Yeah, instantly I was like, "Hmm." 412 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,759 Have you spoken to Claire since the show started going out? 413 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,759 I mean, we've got the WhatsApp group. 414 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,839 Of course. The WhatsApp group pops off. 415 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,279 Honestly, I wake up to about 30 messages 416 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,439 and I can't keep up. 417 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,519 It's like going... 418 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,519 It's like the school WhatsApp groups with the parents. 419 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,079 You're like, "Oh!" 420 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,519 And Tameka is the voice-note queen 421 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,559 of 2.5-minute-long voice notes. 422 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,759 I can imagine. And they are played on fast forward, 423 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,319 even though they're already kind of in fast forward. 424 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,799 Um, so it's... Yeah, it's lovely though, 425 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,399 because Tameka reaches out to me all the time, 426 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,959 because obviously she was banished in the same episode. 427 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,639 So it's... Yeah, it's a... It's fun. 428 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,759 It's really sweet. Everybody is really, 429 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,399 like, excited and watching it back together, 430 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,239 it feels like we've all been on this journey together. 431 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,719 So, at the Round Table, Niko voted for you. 432 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,239 And Joe Wilkinson was also suspicious 433 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,159 and voted for you. Did you worry 434 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,840 that their votes might start to give the other players ideas? 435 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,399 Yeah, I thought 436 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,799 that I was going to be banished in the next Round Table, 437 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,679 which is why I was surprised to be murdered, 438 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,239 because I thought, well, my name's going to come up again 439 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,719 and I'm going to have to try and defend myself. 440 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,359 But, yeah, 441 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,879 it's really kind of quite scary when your name does come up, 442 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,359 it takes you aback and you think, 443 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,959 "What did I do other than try and win as much money 444 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,639 "in the mission as possible? Running back, trying to get... 445 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,399 "and trying to throw ideas out there for who to banish." 446 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,639 Because in the beginning, 447 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,919 you've got nothing to go on whatsoever. 448 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,679 Like you say, just have to survive. 449 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,039 So if you come up in the first Round Table, 450 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,279 you try to do anything to, you know, 451 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,719 make sure that you're still there the next day. 452 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,959 Now, I should say this, Tom, I don't want to grass her up, 453 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,079 but we had Paloma on Uncloaked the other night, 454 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,679 and she was very suspicious of you for a quite specific reason. 455 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,079 Have a listen to this. 456 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,679 I did have Tom in my head. 457 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,399 I just felt like his outfit at the funeral 458 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,040 was very serial killer-y. 459 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,519 And that's... Like American Psycho 460 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,959 with the buttons done all the way down. 461 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,559 I was like, "Oh, my God! He's a psychopath." 462 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,319 Well, the thing is, Paloma - 463 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,319 she was like wearing "I love me" the first day, like so... 464 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,279 So who's the real psychopath there? 465 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,279 No, I love Paloma. 466 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,119 I think she's, I think she's great. 467 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,359 And I was like, you know, everyone has been messaging me like, 468 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:28,719 "Oh, my gosh, that's the most inappropriate outfit for a funeral." 469 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,239 That's like, "I can't believe he showed so much chest." 470 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,559 I was like, "You do know it was a game, 471 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,959 "and nobody actually died?" 472 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,159 Yeah, you wouldn't wear that to a normal funeral, Tom. 473 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,999 Thank you. No! Well, no. 474 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,559 Well, maybe I would. You know, 475 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,439 some people appreciate the jubblies out, 476 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,639 but I don't know, not everyone. 477 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,439 Look, if she thought that shirt was revealing, 478 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,719 she should see what you wear for diving, you know? 479 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,039 Exactly. There's not many people 480 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,439 that wear more clothes to bed than they do to work. 481 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,599 You could have gone 482 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,559 in your little, your little demure black trunks. 483 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,079 That would have been very respectful. 484 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,759 Exactly. Yeah, exactly. 485 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,559 It's probably the most respectful. 486 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,519 You know, I felt like I did dress quite conservatively 487 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,759 my time there. I was... You know, I wore a suit on day one. 488 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,719 Yeah. And you looked smashing. Thank you. 489 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,119 Tom, if you hadn't been murdered, 490 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,479 you said you thought you might be banished. 491 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,479 Did you have any idea of what you might say 492 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,319 at the next Round Table to prevent that banishment? 493 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,359 You know, at that point, 494 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,079 you never know what you are going to say. 495 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,119 And I think being able to like, if you were 496 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,479 to plan something going into a Round Table, 497 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,919 it's always going to look rehearsed and it's always going 498 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,839 to look like you're a Traitor if you've rehearsed something. 499 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,719 So I feel like you have to really listen, 500 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,759 really be in the moment 501 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,399 and bounce off of what other people are saying. 502 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,719 But I think the whole time, 503 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,719 if I was going into that as a Faithful, like I was, 504 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,159 I would have just had to explain exactly my 505 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,879 reasonings behind everything. 506 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,439 And also give the understanding of why someone might think that I was 507 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,639 a Traitor, so that they feel heard, but then also tell them why I'm not. 508 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,999 And then you just have to wish for the best, 509 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,999 because people are either going to believe you or not. 510 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,719 Leanne and Alexander, from an audience perspective, 511 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,079 who do we think is closest to catching a Traitor 512 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,159 in there at the moment? 513 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,239 I mean, Clare Balding 514 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,479 was really close to catching Jonathan. 515 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,359 Also, Joe Marler was really close to going for Jonathan, 516 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,599 but he just completely switched at the Round Table. 517 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,119 I feel like Joe has lots of good ideas, 518 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,399 but nobody really listens to him all that much, 519 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,799 and then he gets swayed by lots of people. 520 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,399 And I think the way that they were looking straight away at David, 521 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,079 because he all of a sudden voiced an opinion, when that's 522 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,119 all they've been asking everyone to do. 523 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,919 Yeah. It's hard to tell who might be close to catching. 524 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,719 I still can't believe that nobody has caught on to Alan, 525 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,199 because at every turn I'm just like, "Come on! 526 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,559 "Someone's got to see it sometime soon." 527 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,919 Watching it back, it's almost embarrassing, 528 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,479 isn't it, why not. But, yeah. Yeah! 529 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,359 I completely agree, when you're in there, 530 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:48,799 it looks like he's just being Alan, 531 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,039 so it makes sense. Yeah. 532 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,479 They're currently on the wrong track with Mark. 533 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,759 What did you make of Mark? 534 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,079 There was obviously a lot of talk about his looking 535 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,519 at everyone at the funeral, 536 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,399 standing aside and staring at everyone, 537 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,119 whereas he should have used your technique 538 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,119 of just flicking his eyes to the side. 539 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,519 That's all he needed to do to look at people. 540 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,599 Yeah, I mean, exactly. You just look to one side, 541 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,439 you can see everything. 542 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,639 Yeah. I mean, 543 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,559 it wasn't so much that Mark did the... 544 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,319 I think what people had a problem with 545 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,039 and why they thought he was a Traitor, 546 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,199 it wasn't that he just kind of like, turned and, like, 547 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,839 did like a, "Oh, I'm just going to see how people are reacting." 548 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,399 He made a real point when we were there, 549 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,679 he really stepped and really made sure everyone saw that 550 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,679 he did the whole peer around the corner thing. 551 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,159 So I think sometimes if you're doing it to be like, 552 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,759 "Look, I'm being Faithful, I'm really looking," 553 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,559 it makes you look suspicious. You just have to... 554 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,879 I always think you always have to... 555 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,759 If I was going to do it again, 556 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,519 I would imagine I was a Traitor and - what would I do 557 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,999 in order to make people think I was a Faithful? - 558 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,919 rather than just acting in a way that you are truly Faithful. 559 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,599 Because that way you end up being more suspicious... 560 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,439 Yeah. That's so clever... because you start overcompensating. 561 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,399 Yeah. Also, David's up against Mark in this banishment 562 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,679 that's left to fate. 563 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119 What did you make of David when you were in there? 564 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,439 Oh, he's an incredibly smart person. 565 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,999 He's somebody that is incredibly... 566 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,759 He just... But he does sit back and he just does observe. 567 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,919 But, I do see why it might be suspicious 568 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,279 that all of a sudden... 569 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,959 He's not really throwing anything out 570 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,399 and then all of a sudden he has an opinion of who it might be. 571 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,199 Do you have a sense of who you might have voted 572 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,239 for at that banishment tie-breaker, between David and Mark? 573 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,479 Yeah, I probably would have said Mark, 574 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,039 because I feel like David would not be banished from the Round Table. 575 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,559 So I feel like he would be someone 576 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,439 that would get murdered rather than banished, 577 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,519 whereas Mark is somebody that was going to get banished. 578 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,119 So towards the end, 579 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,199 if you want to survive as a Faithful, 580 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,239 you want to keep people in the game that are going to get banished at 581 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,919 the Round Table, and leave the ones that are likely to get murdered. 582 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,919 But again, these Traitors are doing things 583 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,719 that you just never would have even thought to do. 584 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,279 Now, we're almost out of time, but I've mentioned already 585 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,279 on Uncloaked that I'm actually hidden 586 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,519 in this series of the Celebrity Traitors somewhere, 587 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,999 on one episode, I'm hidden. 588 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,159 Any ideas? I'm not going to reveal, 589 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,959 but, all three of you, do you have a guess of 590 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,400 where I might be popping up or have popped up? 591 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,559 I think, what were they called in the mission? Sirens? 592 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,919 The banshees. The banshees. Yeah, I think you're a banshee. 593 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,599 You think I'm a banshee? Well, thank you very much. 594 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,879 You're welcome. 595 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,879 I'm kind of hoping you were in the choir in the funeral? 596 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,919 Yeah. Maybe I'm just projecting here. 597 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,359 You want to be in the choir. I'd love to see you behind the mask. 598 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,919 I didn't see you in the... I didn't see you in the choir. 599 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,159 You must have been - one of those people that were, like, 600 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,599 pulling people out of the car, fully masked and cloaked. 601 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,879 Interesting. What, for the chained-up mission? 602 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,879 Yeah. Episode three. 603 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,679 All interesting. Are any of us close? Was I in the choir? 604 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,999 I'm not going to tell you. 605 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,279 What an awful reveal that would be! 606 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,679 When are we going to find out? 607 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,399 Is it for the finale reveal? 608 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,359 Yeah. We're keeping it until the finale, I think. 609 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,759 Imagine if one of you was close 610 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,359 and I went, "Yeah, you're right. 611 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:51,840 "Anyway..." 612 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,599 Obviously, if you've got guesses at home, 613 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,119 comment on socials, and tell me where you think I am. 614 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,959 That's an interesting sentence. 615 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,999 Meanwhile, the chat continues over on BBC Sounds. 616 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,359 I'll ask Tom how he'd play the game as a Traitor, 617 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,679 and what his husband thinks of his time on the show. 618 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,839 That's in your bonus episode of Uncloaked. 619 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,559 Just scan the QR code on your screen 620 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,239 and then listen straight away, as you get into your jimjams. 621 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,559 I'm back tomorrow night, 622 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,439 and I'll be joined by whoever gets banished. 623 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,079 It's either David or Mark, 624 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,039 so one of them will get to find out who the Traitors are. 625 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,799 Plus, we'll have any other murdered or banished players. 626 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,159 Thanks for now to Leanne, Alexander and Tom. 627 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,279 And to you for watching. I'm Ed Gamble, 628 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,680 stay Faithful. 629 00:29:01,470 --> 00:29:05,470 https://ko-fi.com/TheArmory 54574

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