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Hello there and welcome to The Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked,

the official visualised podcast, hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

The wait is finally over.

19 celebrities have entered the game

to try and win as much money as they can for charity,

all while the Faithful amongst them attempt to catch the Traitors

who are working to stab them in the back.

And things on Uncloaked will remain mostly the same,

but with some added fun.

I got to go up to The Traitors Castle in Scotland

and exclusively reveal to the banished and murdered Faithful

who the Traitors are, straight after they left the game.

Now, before I go any further,

I think it's time for a spoiler warning.

If you haven't watched the first episode of The Celebrity Traitors,

then get your eyeballs onto BBC iPlayer right now.

So what's coming up in our very first episode?

I'll be joined by three Traitor stars

from games gone past.

Wilf from season one,

Harry from season two

and Minah from season three.

We'll discuss grave digging,

Trojan horses and that all-important Traitors pick.

Plus, we'll get stuck into that cliff-hanger -

who did Alan Carr choose to murder in plain sight?

Not a sentence I ever thought I'd say.

Wilf... Yes... Harry, Minah... Hello... welcome to the show.

Straight away, I need a one-word reaction from all of you

for that first episode.

Minah, you first, please. Impactful.

Wilf.

Meme-able.

Meme-able. Is that an actual word? I don't know.

But meme-able. I'm going for that.

I feel like if you want to coin a new term on Uncloaked, that's...

There you go. Meme-able. Meme-able. Harry. Insane.

Insane. Insane. Right, OK. Insane. Impactful. Meme-able.

Now, in future episodes, we will, of course, be joined by

all the murdered and banished celebs who leave the castle.

And even though we didn't get a murder or a banishment tonight,

there's still loads to discuss.

So let's start with the Traitors pick

where Claudia selected Cat, Alan and Jonathan,

and I think the tone was perhaps set best by Alan.

I want to be a Traitor.

Oh, God, Alan. Oh, no.

You will have to stab people in the back.

They'd do it to me. They're showbiz people.

I'll do it to them.

You know what celebrities are like. They're two-faced.

I love him. I mean...

I love him so much. So let's start with Alan.

Minah, he clearly wants the job,

but do we think he'll be any good at it?

You know what? Sometimes in life,

you really want things that probably aren't best for you.

I imagine, like,

if you've got... If you can't have dairy,

you may still want cheese on your burger.

Yeah. And I feel like that's what we've just watched.

So you're saying Alan is

the Traitors equivalent of lactose intolerant? Yes.

Yes.

But I love it. I just, I love the way he said...

well, Claudia asked him, "Do you want to be a Traitor?"

and he said, "Yes," and he just went...

I just think that was brilliant.

He says that celebs are two-faced,

but he's got one face and it's sweating and giggling.

Like, if you're looking for changes of behaviour, Harry,

do you think you would have spotted that if you were at the Round Table?

Do you think, if you were a Traitor with Alan, you would have

immediately known even before you had the first conclave?

I don't know, cos everyone will expect him,

like, "That's too obvious."

You know, he's already sweating at asking what he's had for dinner

or, like, "Do you want my glass of rose?"

He's already sweating cos he doesn't know what to do.

Yeah. So I think it's a perfect cover-up.

I also think Alan Carr would have been the same

regardless if he was a Traitor or not. Yeah.

I do think your personality is your personality,

so I think he would have been nervous at the thought of

"who are the Traitors?" if he was a was Faithful,

so he would have been sweating regardless.

Yeah, and that's what I mean. And to add on to that,

it's like he's the perfect choice

because he has that open book about him.

You know, like, what you see is what you get with him.

He's going to make the jokes.

You're not going to know whether to trust him or believe him,

cos he'll make all of them jokes either way.

You know like when he's joking about

being on Clare's side and, like, he doesn't want to get rid of her yet,

like he would never,

it's like people are just going to see him as being him.

Yeah. And then so it's easier for him to keep

that secret that he actually is a Traitor.

But you saying this, right, but I'm imagining Kate Garraway,

if she did what she did to Cat Burns

and held the hands and go, "Are you a Traitor?"

I can't imagine him reacting in a way

where she wouldn't believe he's a Traitor.

Yeah. Well, he'd laugh and sweat, right? Yeah.

But then everyone will think that's just him.

That's what I'm saying. That's why it's genius.

Yeah, but I think Minah's point is that he would do that

whether he was a Traitor or not. Do you reckon? Yeah. Hmm.

And people... I think people expect Alan Carr to be a laugh

and to giggle throughout everything. Yeah. Yeah.

So I think it would have been worse if he'd gone suddenly serious.

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see how it goes for Alan.

Jonathan Ross was also picked.

Another huge personality.

Wilf, talk us through how you think the dynamic will play out

between the Traitors.

Is it good to have two loud voices in the Traitors?

No. I think Jonathan's going to take lead.

Cat's going to let him take the lead

and let him think that he's in the lead.

And Alan's going to be,

like, the first person to throw under the bus if they need to.

Hence why they said, "You pick the flower.

"It's more obvious that, like, you could touch people's faces."

Yeah. I think Jonathan Ross as well,

he's doing the job that he's done for so long.

He knows people. He probably knows a lot of them

more than other people know each other. Mm-hm.

So I think he's going to... he's going to lead the pack.

What about Cat Burns, though? Cos, obviously...

Yeah, she's going to be amazing. She's going to be sick.

Cat is in there with two big personalities...

Yeah. Yeah. And is obviously slightly quieter

but is clearly thinking about the game

and clearly has a game plan. Yeah.

And Cat is a massive fan of the show.

Yeah. She's a massive... Being a massive Traitors fan,

I think, in itself is an advantage because you've watched it,

you've tried to analyse it.

And I don't think you have to be loud to be a Traitor.

If anything, being quiet is a good thing.

Well, Harry, you were like the quieter one out of your Traitors...

Yeah... cos you had Paul and Ash...

I was going to say, like, it was kind of, um...

Cos I never had seen The Traitors when I went on the show,

so I thought that was my advantage.

I didn't really know what was going on.

So half the time I was a bit like, "Oh, just let these two do it,"

you know, like, I didn't know what was going on.

But at the same time, I was also very much like her - quiet -

because, like she said, the loud ones are what attracts you to them.

But then not being too quiet.

I think she's going to get that perfect balance,

and that's the hardest thing with the game

is you have to be quiet but not too quiet,

and then you have to be loud but not too loud.

So you need to find that perfect balance in the middle,

which I think she's going to find.

So prior to Claudia's picks,

were these the three that you were expecting to see as Traitors,

or was there anyone you thought

might have been better in the Turret?

I thought Tom Daley would have... Yeah, we were saying that. Yeah.

I mean, he's straight into the game, isn't he, Tom? Yeah.

Like, you can tell he wants to get involved. Yeah.

Really wanted to see Niko as well, cos obviously he's a prankster

and it would have been fun to see him playing pranks on people,

I guess, like during the Turrets. That would have been cool.

I think during it, when we... Before we watched it,

we all thought we wanted Cat Burns to be...

We all agreed, we was like,

we really want Cat Burns to be a Traitor.

And then, when we seen Alan's interview,

we were all like, "He has to be a Traitor!

"He has to be one! It's going to be the best!"

And when he got tapped,

we all started screaming, cos he got tapped -

we're like, "Yes! This is going to be the best!"

It's very exciting that Alan's a Traitor. It's so good.

That's where you want to see him.

Alan floundering is the funniest Alan.

So a few words from each of you, then, on Jonathan, Cat and Alan.

Out of ten, how strong a Traitors team is this?

Wilf, let's start with you.

I'm going to say...

ten, just for the fact that everybody brings

something different to the table

and Alan's a good sacrificial lamb, for now.

I know it sounds really bad, but if time came...

If you needed to, you'd be able to crumble him.

You'd have so much evidence. I'm... Yeah.

What about you, Minah?

I feel like ten was a really high number

but now I also want to give them a ten.

I'm going to go with a nine.

I think they are going to work together.

I don't see anyone throwing anyone under the bus any time soon.

I think Alan's going to be a great Traitor.

He reminds me of a girl in the American one

who also was a little bit, like, flustered and all over the shop.

She made it to the final.

So I feel like they're going to work well together.

I think they will recruit

before any one of the three of them is banished.

And Harry. I would give it a strong eight.

I think eight is, for one, my favourite number, actually,

by the way - fun fact.

And two, I just think they're an amazing team

and they all seem to have taken their place.

And they're going to be a strong team who works as, like you said,

Jonathan Ross will be that leader, Cat Burns is the chilled one,

so they're not going to be fighting for, like, a position.

I just don't think... What would have made it a ten for me is

that maybe there's a fourth Traitor in there,

or someone who's going to be the backstabber.

I want to see someone getting rid of the Traitors inside of the Traitors.

You know, the Traitors... It's early on, though. It's all about...

It's all about backstabbing

but I don't see any of them backstabbing each other. No.

Now, there are, of course, 16 other players in the game,

all with different skill sets and talents,

and Stephen Fry was able to pick out one person in particular

when they first arrived in the castle.

Cos you're famous for barging into places

and pretending to be things you aren't.

How do you know that?

Oh, I... I have a sticky memory.

Wow. Yeah.

Stephen Fry knows who I am.

The one thing which I wanted was to be kind of unknown to everyone.

Now everyone's going to see me as a conniving prankster.

A tricky thing for Niko, cos I think he was really relying on

people not knowing who he was in there. Yeah.

But it turns out Stephen Fry loves YouTube.

We're going to see him popping up in a MrBeast video.

Let me just say, describing your memory as,

"I've got a sticky memory." Yeah, keep it clean, Stephen.

Yeah. I was like, "OK, mate."

Brilliant. But, yeah, Niko,

I think he's going to really surprise us.

I think he's going to be a really good Faithful.

When we first went... started speaking,

just before we started watching the show, we was like,

he's going to cause havoc cos that's just who he is.

But I think he's going to really surprise people

just for the fact of

he is where he is because he's super intelligent as well. Yeah.

He's mad intelligent. I don't think anybody should dumb that down

just because he does pranks.

But I think he's going to surprise people and be quite a good Faithful,

and get evidence and put it together.

I think he's going to... That's going to be a surprise.

We'll see the true him, which will be nice to see.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you think...?

Do you think he's coming across as trustworthy so far?

100%. Oh, yeah, 100%. It's kind of weird seeing him

not his, like, energetic, pranky self. Yeah, yeah.

Or trying to get something out of someone. Yeah.

I think the whole situation has sort of taken him aback.

And now he knows he's not a Traitor, he needs to sort of be like,

"OK, I'm in this game now to try and find out who it is."

So we've got a few comedians in the group.

We've got Lucy Beaumont, Joe Wilkinson, Nick Mohammed

and, of course, Traitor Alan.

Minah, do you think humour plays an important part

in disarming people in there?

Yeah, I think being funny,

making people laugh in the hardest moments,

really helps you form those relationships.

Nick is my favourite person ever.

Yeah, he's lovely. When he was doing the mission,

that little puzzle, it was the sexiest thing I've ever seen.

He was just... He was working so... It was like...

And then the key just appeared. I said to these two...

Minah was blown away.

That was the sexiest thing I've ever seen in my life.

It's brilliant. Brilliant.

Well, I'll let Nick know next time I see him.

Also, the humour thing, right? You talk about the humour.

Well, Alan Carr, when he goes,

"Oh, it must have took her back to the Vegas days,

"pulling that lever like that,"

you know, and made everyone laugh. Yeah.

It's such a good way to cover up...

Do you think that puts people off thinking you're a Traitor?

Yeah. 100%. And also, like, for us,

it's good cos we know how long you're there for and, like,

you're connecting with people and the connections you build.

Obviously, they might have connections

that they built outside of it, which is different to us.

But when you're in there and it's so intense and it's

so high pressure on your shoulders and everyone's stressed,

the people who make you laugh

are the people you want there by your side... Yeah.

Because they give you an escape of what's actually going on.

And, OK, like, "I don't have to stress for a bit,"

or, "This pressure's gone because they're making me laugh."

So they're the people that people will want around them.

So then that really helps, being the funny one.

There's loads of actors in the group, too.

We've got Ruth, Tameka, Mark, Celia.

Wilf, do you think the ability to mask your true thoughts and feelings

is of use, or is being genuine a bit more of an effective strategy?

I just think trying to be as genuine as possible,

it's going to go further.

I remember Maddy, as soon as we found out she was an actress,

we were like, "Yep, she's acting the whole thing."

Yeah. "She's not a real person."

So I think if they try to become a character,

like, they're going to know, aren't they?

I think it's just best trying to be as genuine as possible.

Yeah. I think we had an actor

but she didn't know she was an actor.

Charlotte, do you remember?

She said she was Welsh and she wasn't.

That's acting. That's acting. Yeah.

Let's go back to the start of the episode

when the celebs were chauffeured up to The Traitors Castle,

but, when they arrived, Claudia decided to do something

a little bit different to kick things off.

So, players, good luck.

It's time to save yourselves.

In three, two, one.

Dig!

ALAN: I was like a T-rex or a kangaroo.

But then I tipped forward and I was like that.

Right, Celia, I'm going to help you first.

Why? Nick, did you find your own Shield?

No.

So Shields in this game can be a help or a hindrance.

Do they bring unwanted attention sometimes?

Yeah. If you give it up like Charlotte did and now people

think she's potentially a Traitor because she's... Yeah.

Like, it's just insane.

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't with this game.

I would always try for a Shield.

Whether you're a Traitor or a Faithful, always try for a Shield.

It's just, it's how you play it, isn't it? Yeah.

It can always be a double bluff,

just like everything in this game. Yeah. Yeah.

A Shield can be the best thing, but also the worst thing,

depending on how you play it.

You know, if you give it up straight away

then all it takes is someone to say, "Well, that's odd,"

but if you win it, it's like,

well, we need to go for it cos I don't want to be murdered tonight.

Also six Shields.

Six is a lot. I was going to say, when they said six Shields,

I was like, "Wow, that's a lot of Shields." Six Shields

and then a murder in plain sight,

so not only are you trying to find someone to murder in plain sight,

you've got to have in your head that...

Who has...? Six of them you have to avoid, yeah.

Yeah, but one of them is a Traitor. Yes. That's true.

And Charlotte's gave hers back.

So really, we're down to four now. There's only four left. Yeah.

Celia, by the way, I would be so scared of her if I was there.

No, same. Because I remember Nanny McPhee, right?

That was like the scariest thing when I was growing up as a kid.

I remember I used to have nightmares

cos she was the stepmum, who was nasty stepmum.

She's sort of like someone you want on your side,

because I feel like, if she's got a hunch

or she's going for someone, they're going down.

Yeah. So I would be best mates with her, 100%.

Also, she's just got that rebellious quality,

where she will do the opposite of what everyone else does

just cos she feels like it. Yeah. Which is dangerous.

Definitely. Harry, though, to your point,

I don't know if I'd want to be friends with her.

My bestie Nick was helping her dig up a Shield

and then she was like, "Sus"!

They hadn't even got to the castle, but she was like...

No-one has even been a Traitor yet! She was like, "I don't trust him."

I was like, "Wow, OK."

Nick selflessly came to help me

in my grave before he'd even looked for his Shield.

And I'm thinking,

he's absolutely adorable

or... is he up to something?

I just love him.

We know what you think, Minah.

I think he thought she deserves one for whatever reason,

so he's thought, "Let me help you," but then I think, in doing that,

she's now got this thing in the back of her head where,

"Why HAVE you done that?

"Why you and not the other people?" Yes. Yeah.

So sometimes being nice, isn't...

It doesn't work out. But then also it might.

I think creating alliances is definitely what you need.

I always say this - like, one of the best pieces of advice going into

The Traitors is you have to trust someone,

just hopefully not the wrong person.

Because building alliances is what you need

because, if you're there alone,

when you have thoughts of who it is, there's no-one to back you,

there's no-one to jump on your bandwagon.

But also if you come under fire,

if you have no team around you, you're a goner.

The strategy when we went in was we seen groups forming,

it was just like murder someone from the group.

Like, just get rid of the alliances.

If you're Faithfuls and the Traitors are watching you create

this alliance, they're like, "Oh, just break it up." Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Just get rid of it.

I think the added complication of the Celebrity Traitors

is a lot of the players know each other already. Yes.

Minah, do you think this is going to make things

harder for the Traitors?

100%.

If you already know somebody,

I think in your head you're like, "I'll know when they act different."

So you're going to second guess people.

And I think the Faithful will actually knock each other out

without realising because of that.

I mean, one thing it does rule out

is any secret relationships that are going to be revealed. Yeah. Yeah.

You say that... If it turns out Alan Carr's Stephen Fry's son...

That would be amazing. Imagine that!

I think it'd be... I'd just murder

my closest allies straight away. Yeah.

If I was a Traitor and I was friends with people in there,

get rid of them.

Can I move couches? No, no!

Like, you would, because then it just takes the... People are like,

"Would he really just get rid of his really good friend?"

See, I'm against it.

You guys are so different from me. I know, just cos I think, like...

Oh, here he is, the greatest Traitor of the world.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying,

though, like... like,

that's when... When you leave people in who are random,

that's when they start throwing out random accusations,

and if they don't know you, they could wake up one day and go,

"Oh, I think it's him," and create a lie about you.

And then it's like, well, if you have someone in there who knows you,

it's like, "You know I wouldn't do that to you.

"You know, like, we can work together through this."

So if you have friends in there, I would keep them close.

But keep your enemies closer.

But, like, I would keep my friends in there for a bit

cos it's so early on. Yeah. Just get rid of people

who are random who you don't really have a connection to,

cos they won't try and notice the change.

Now, Jonathan Ross is obviously a very famous

interviewer and broadcaster.

Do you think, Wilf, that his interview skills

and his listening skills are going to help him in the game?

I think he, that's what he hopes.

He did say that as well, didn't he?

That when you're interviewing people,

it's a lot of listening, right?

But will he share that information with the others?

That's what makes me think... is going to be his strength,

is being able to take, extract things from people,

like you do when you interview.

But is he going to share that with the other Traitors?

If he gets bits of knowledge here that, they're looking at

maybe Cat Burns, someone mentions her and he gets that out of someone,

does he go back to the Traitor and tell them? I'm not sure he will.

Alan said that he'd have no problem backstabbing people,

even, you know, people that he knows, obviously, in there.

Is it difficult, Harry, to remove emotion from the gameplay?

Not really. It's a game. The game's the game.

They're all there for a reason, and that's to play the game.

For us, it would have been a lot easier, don't get me wrong,

cos we didn't actually know each other.

Yes. So it was very easy to take the emotion away from it,

cos it's like, "I've known these people

"for however long we've been playing the game

"when there's people at home who love me."

You know, like, I'm here for them.

I personally found it quite hard, as the weeks got on,

to remove the emotion from it,

because, as much as Harry, heartless Harry over here,

is saying, "I've got people at home, these people mean nothing to me,"

those people became my family. So then it got a bit harder

to kind of separate the game and the emotions.

But then, also, you don't know how they feel,

cos Claudia has so much aura about her and sets the scene

that, like, for us, it's like, when you go there,

"Oh, this is cool, it's like... TV show," whatever.

And then, as soon as she walks into the room,

it's like, "Oh, it's actually going down." Here we go, yeah.

And I think that's what's going to happen to them.

Obviously, we've just seen episode one

and they think, "This is a bit of a laugh,

"like, we're on The Traitors, blah, blah, blah."

As soon as someone's murdered,

someone gets banished and they have their first Round Table,

that will all change. It gets real. Oh, it's going to be so good!

Stop it! I'm getting excited!

That's the thing that Claudia brings to the game.

That's when you're going to see the real switch. Yeah, yeah.

That's when... We're here after episode one -

we've seen a lot but we haven't seen enough.

So when the first Round Table happens,

the first breakfast and pretending...

Alan Carr pretending he hasn't murdered someone.

Oh, God! It's going to be amazing, right? But that part is

where you're really going to be able to go,

"Actually, Alan's great," or, "Alan's bad," or this or that.

That's where you're going to be able to do it from -

the first breakfast is going to be

the first sort of sign of how they're going to go.

So at the end of tonight's episode,

the Traitors were tasked with murdering their first Faithful,

but with a twist.

It had to be in plain sight.

Oh, no.

Oh, God.

What is this?

OK.

"Traitors...

"Tonight you must murder in plain sight.

"To do this, you must find the poisoned black lily

"somewhere in the castle.

"You must find this deadly flower...

"Rub your hands with the poisoned pollen...

"And touch the face of the Faithful you want to murder."

Wilf and Harry, you were both involved in murders in plain sight.

What's going to be going through their heads

as they build up to do this?

Ours was a kiss of death.

So... And ours was, like, in the middle of the series, I think.

So for me it was like, I've not kissed one person.

So all of a sudden I'm going to kiss someone?

Yeah. It's not for me.

Like, so me and Amanda were like, "Look, you do it.

"It's just more... If I do it, it's a bit more sus."

And I didn't want the responsibility of doing it! Like, so,

yeah, I just pushed it on to Amanda.

Amanda murdered Amos and that was it, mate.

The funniest thing about it all, though, is like...

we, for example, understand the paranoia.

It's actually like... Cos you think everyone knows what's going on.

Yeah, but they don't!

As soon as you walk in and you see that letter, like Alan did,

it's like, "Oh, gosh, what's going on here?"

Yeah. And then when they come out,

I can only imagine how they're feeling.

Like, you're so paranoid that everyone knows what you're up to.

Yeah. That's why they're pacing up and down.

But actually, someone seeing you is like...

they're just seeing you like normal. Walking.

But you don't see it from that point of view. Yeah.

They are getting harder as well. Yeah. Oh, 100%!

Touching someone's face. How do you even build up to that? Yeah!

It's like you go up to Celia Imrie and go, "I've got your nose."

Is that...? Yeah. That's a good idea, though,

cos no-one would think that's a bit weird, until she loses her nose.

They would definitely think that was weird.

Yeah. Yeah, or just go up to Clare Balding and go, "Boop!"

It's a really hard one. Yeah, it's a difficult one.

Like I said earlier, I do think they have got it lucky

that it's right at the start of the game.

Even though there's so many people in the castle, it's like,

for Alan, for example, he's doing it now,

so he's sort of taking the hit now.

And it makes sense, like we've said,

like, he would be the one out of all three to do something like that.

And because he's doing it so early on,

that could help him in the future,

because he can then say to the other two,

"I've done my bit. Now it's down to you two."

And it's only going to get harder from here.

Do you think the decision is going to be impacted by who Alan knows,

or...? Because obviously there are relationships within the castle.

This is obviously... It has to be a crime of opportunity, doesn't it?

Yeah. I think this is the time where Wilf's killing-your-friends thing

makes sense because that's the only person

that I think you can get away with this so early doors. 100%, yeah.

So it's going to have to be, whether he wants to or not,

somebody that he knows,

somebody that he's met before or worked with or interviewed.

And it's just going to have to be them. That's it.

But also shout out to Jonathan as well,

cos he didn't just let him do it.

You know, Cat sort of took a back...

He went and took, like, the lid off and stuff.

And that was perfect cos, again,

he's not doing too much but not doing too little.

So he's freed up the opportunity for him to go in and rub a leaf.

But again, if someone saw you doing that,

you'd have to spend the rest of the time in the castle,

just, like, rubbing everything.

I never thought I'd... That's what I'm saying - to shout out Jonathan

cos he got everyone out of the way.

He even opened the lid, so he like set the pathway for him to do it,

instead of just being like, "You've got to do it."

Yeah, he was helpful, yeah. I never thought this morning

when I woke up that I would come here and be talking about Alan Carr

touching other celebrities' faces.

That is just such a random... That's The Traitors for you.

Let's talk about the mission. It was epic in its scale,

as you might expect from The Traitors.

But it wasn't able to pass without causing some drama.

Right. Well, we can start trying.

Mercutio.

Tybalt. Tybalt.

Romeo. No. Oh, shit. I've locked it in and I didn't mean to.

No! What? Why?

I didn't realise I locked it in.

Sorry!

I thought, "Oh, we can guess lots of numbers,

"so while they're working that out, I'll just stick a number in,"

thinking it was like a combination lock

and you can start trying lots of numbers.

Anyway, that was it

because the lever didn't go back up again.

WILF: I feel so sorry... I feel so bad for her.

I mean, it's very... This is a TV exclusive -

Clare Balding doing something wrong.

Oh, honestly.

So Tom Daley, Joe Marler and Clare Balding -

obviously, all from the world of sport,

deeply competitive people.

Harry, is competitiveness something that you think you need in the game?

Definitely. I think it's something you need in life.

You should want to go there and want to win.

And obviously them being athletes

and, like, world-class athletes as well - an Olympian -

is what's going to make them really competitive and want to win.

But that also brings in the teamwork, too.

And, like you've seen in that mission, they all took a lead

in a certain different type of role in that mission.

And, again, that's going to help, because Tom Daley,

for example, being a Faithful, you know, any of them being...

They're all Faithfuls - that will help because, as a Traitor,

if you see that, Tom Daley running all the way back to...

If I'm a Traitor, I can't be arsed to do that,

so I'm going to keep him in so he can do that every mission. Yeah.

Yeah. Early on through the missions,

the only way to save yourself is to be the best at the missions.

Be useful. That's how people feel at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah.

Later on's different, but at the beginning...

Do you think it puts you in the spotlight a bit, though, as well,

being competitive? I think

being a bit too competitive, as Clare displayed in that mission,

is also the downfall of some people.

Yeah, stressed me out. So she was obviously so, like,

excited and desperate for the team to get to the end

of that mission that she didn't even read the little plaque

that was in front of her.

She pulled that, which locked in the answer,

which then meant somebody had to

sacrifice a Shield for them to proceed.

Automatically, people are like, "That's Traitor behaviour."

And it was so innocent because she was doing it to help,

but I think she was just too competitive in that moment. Mmm.

It's like that whole, again, are you doing too much?

The whole way through The Traitors,

whether it's about being a Traitor, being a Faithful, being competitive,

trying to take the lead, you've got to find that perfect balance,

and it's the same with the competitiveness.

If you're doing too much, people realise that and use it against you.

Yeah. If you're doing too little, you're not doing enough.

Wilf, do you think this could be a problem for her?

Yes. We... call it invisible biscuits, in my life.

People look for... What? So basically, people are looking

for crumbs of evidence that don't actually exist.

Right? So... It doesn't exist -

there is no evidence at the beginning of the game, really. Mmm.

So any little thing that happens,

people jump on it and it becomes that herd mentality thing.

So someone will go, "Oh, yeah, Clare did..."

"Yeah, yeah." Because they've got no other evidence on anything else.

So they will just go on whatever they can possibly find. Love that.

Do you mind if we use invisible biscuits

on Uncloaked moving forward?

You can use that. Yeah.

So, look, this is a big question so early on,

but do we have any predictions on who might make the final?

Harry, let's start with you. I'm going against the grain.

My man Alan Carr. Yeah.

Yeah, I just think he's going to be so bad, he's good.

And great. And I will happily pass him the crown if he does it.

What about you, Minah?

I think Tom Daley.

I think Tom's going to get recruited as a Traitor.

Well, I hope he does, cos I think he would be really good

at transitioning from Faithful to Traitor,

like Charlotte last year.

I think Cat's going to make it to the final.

I think my boy Nick's going to make it to the final.

Are you saying Traitors or Faithful?

Oh, Traitors, every day, yeah.

What about you, Wilf? Who do you think is going to make the final?

Nick. I think he's got...

He seems like he's got a really calm, nice persona,

and he'll be really good in missions.

It seems he's got quite a high IQ,

but that's not known to everybody.

Apart from doing that puzzle.

But, like, everybody's threatened by Stephen Fry

because he's mad intelligent.

Does anyone else think that Stephen Fry

is coming across like a teenage goth? A teenage...?

I see what you mean.

Cos, in the car, everything he says is just...

I know the game's about death,

but, like, they're in the car and they're like,

"Oh, it's so impressive..." "Oh, look, the castle!"

And then he went,

"But what awaits us is a blizzard of horror."

And then they're looking at the portraits being like,

"Oh, I'm so excited to be here."

He's like, "It's a pity they'll all

"be covered in red crosses soon." Yes! Yes!

He is basically narrating the show as we go along.

He really is. He's very good at that. He's the narrator. Yeah.

Picking up books off the shelf, going,

"Diseases of the chest."

And the thing is, they went back from the mission,

everyone's looking for Traitors and he's like,

"I want to see how many people died in Hamlet."

Yes! Yeah. Outstanding. He was not sleeping

until he knew that number.

Well, we've run out of time here but don't worry -

the chat will continue on BBC Sounds in our extra bonus episode.

We're going to learn more about post-castle life

with Minah, Harry and Wilf, and the three of them will also be

temporarily taking over Traitor duties

and will decide who to befriend, who to kill and who to recruit.

It's all in the bonus episode of The Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked

in your BBC Sounds app right now.

Find that in your app store,

or you can scan the QR code below if you're one of the cool kids.

And here's something fun for the new season -

I'm in it.

Not just on Uncloaked, but I actually feature in this series

of The Celebrity Traitors as a fun Easter egg -

or Easter Ed, if you like.

See if you can spot me.

We'll be back again tomorrow night after episode two,

where some of our celebrity cast will be joining me

to unpack all the latest goings-on in The Celebrity Traitors Castle.

A massive thanks to Wilf, Harry and Minah for joining in the fun.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.

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