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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:47,940 --> 00:00:50,704 All the people that say the movement, the revolution is over. 2 00:00:50,776 --> 00:00:54,644 They ought to see what's going on right here, 'cause it doesn't look over to me. 3 00:00:54,714 --> 00:00:56,011 This is like a dream, 4 00:00:56,082 --> 00:00:58,949 seeing 15,000 people in one place 5 00:00:59,018 --> 00:01:01,043 demanding freedom for John Sinclair. 6 00:01:03,956 --> 00:01:06,015 I was sentenced to 91/2-10 years 7 00:01:06,092 --> 00:01:08,322 in July of 1969 8 00:01:08,394 --> 00:01:12,091 for giving two joints to an undercover policewoman. 9 00:01:12,164 --> 00:01:15,861 All this time that John Sinclair has been in jail 10 00:01:15,935 --> 00:01:18,199 because of his opposition to the government, 11 00:01:18,271 --> 00:01:24,369 that government has dropped 21/2 Hiroshimas a week 12 00:01:24,443 --> 00:01:30,871 every week since July 1969, when John was imprisoned. 13 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:32,713 And all that time, 14 00:01:32,785 --> 00:01:38,849 Richard Nixon was trumpeting, "The war is winding down." 15 00:01:38,925 --> 00:01:40,222 We had this concert, 16 00:01:40,293 --> 00:01:41,726 and it was broadcast all over the state. 17 00:01:41,794 --> 00:01:43,955 It was the biggest thing that ever happened in Michigan. 18 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:46,021 Stevie Wonder, Bob Seger, 19 00:01:46,098 --> 00:01:48,293 Rennie Davis, Jerry Rubin, 20 00:01:48,367 --> 00:01:50,130 Bobby Seale of the Black Panthers. 21 00:01:50,202 --> 00:01:51,726 All power to the people. 22 00:01:51,804 --> 00:01:53,567 Thank you very much. Right on. 23 00:01:53,639 --> 00:01:55,197 Power to the people. 24 00:01:55,274 --> 00:01:58,732 The stage was set to make a big impact. 25 00:01:58,811 --> 00:02:02,269 "If we can make this concert be huge..." 26 00:02:02,348 --> 00:02:06,512 And then Jerry Rubin talked John Lennon and Yoko Ono 27 00:02:06,585 --> 00:02:08,883 into coming and playing at our concert. 28 00:02:33,512 --> 00:02:36,606 We had no idea that there were FBI agents 29 00:02:36,682 --> 00:02:38,946 writing down the lyrics in the audience. 30 00:02:39,018 --> 00:02:41,714 That's when the FBI began to see 31 00:02:41,787 --> 00:02:46,121 the beginning of the power of John and Yoko. 32 00:02:46,192 --> 00:02:49,286 The power structure, especially during the Nixon administration, 33 00:02:49,362 --> 00:02:52,820 which began in 1968, was extremely paranoid 34 00:02:52,898 --> 00:02:56,800 about anyone who they perceived to be counter-culture, 35 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:59,133 counter-administration, antiwar, 36 00:02:59,205 --> 00:03:02,140 and, of course, John Lennon fell squarely in that arena. 37 00:03:02,208 --> 00:03:04,642 When somebody in show business 38 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:08,476 comes and participates in a political rally, 39 00:03:08,547 --> 00:03:12,313 he or she is doing something 40 00:03:12,385 --> 00:03:16,651 that is a very great personal sacrifice, 41 00:03:16,722 --> 00:03:18,212 and even a personal risk. 42 00:03:19,892 --> 00:03:26,627 Certainly, they feared what a figure like John Lennon represented. 43 00:03:26,699 --> 00:03:31,136 Anybody who sings about love and harmony and life 44 00:03:31,203 --> 00:03:34,661 is dangerous to somebody who's singing about death 45 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:38,836 and killing and subduing. 46 00:03:38,911 --> 00:03:41,345 He was making friends 47 00:03:41,414 --> 00:03:44,850 with a lot of people that our government 48 00:03:44,917 --> 00:03:46,350 wanted to put in jail. 49 00:03:46,419 --> 00:03:49,513 He was a high-profile figure, 50 00:03:49,588 --> 00:03:52,580 so his activities were being monitored. 51 00:03:56,929 --> 00:03:58,863 I think they wanted me to know to scare me, 52 00:03:58,931 --> 00:04:00,762 and I was scared, paranoid. 53 00:04:03,102 --> 00:04:06,765 He believed all of his telephone conversations were being monitored. 54 00:04:06,839 --> 00:04:10,206 "He believed that he was being followed around New York City. 55 00:04:10,276 --> 00:04:13,211 He believed that friends that he had thought were friends 56 00:04:13,279 --> 00:04:16,715 were secret informants for different intelligence communities. 57 00:04:16,782 --> 00:04:18,374 We were just shocked, 58 00:04:18,451 --> 00:04:20,385 and we were really scared. 59 00:04:22,121 --> 00:04:24,885 Another effect of the Sinclair thing 60 00:04:24,957 --> 00:04:28,518 was it probably further alerted the FBI, 61 00:04:28,594 --> 00:04:30,926 John Mitchell, Haldeman, 62 00:04:30,996 --> 00:04:35,194 Ehrlichman, and Nixon as to this threat to them, 63 00:04:35,267 --> 00:04:38,065 that something needed to be done 64 00:04:38,137 --> 00:04:40,503 to neutralize John Lennon. 65 00:05:27,019 --> 00:05:31,285 Childhood was something that, um... 66 00:05:31,357 --> 00:05:32,790 he couldn't shake it. 67 00:05:32,858 --> 00:05:34,655 It was there all the time. 68 00:05:34,727 --> 00:05:37,127 And at night when we were in bed, 69 00:05:37,196 --> 00:05:40,290 he would be talking about it, his mother... 70 00:05:40,366 --> 00:05:42,766 Especially his mother. 71 00:05:42,835 --> 00:05:44,803 He was an orphan, really. 72 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:46,633 He was abandoned by his father, 73 00:05:46,705 --> 00:05:48,138 and to all intents and purposes, 74 00:05:48,207 --> 00:05:49,367 abandoned by his mother. 75 00:05:49,441 --> 00:05:51,966 Can you imagine growing up 76 00:05:52,044 --> 00:05:54,137 and realizing that neither your mother nor your father 77 00:05:54,213 --> 00:05:55,475 really wanted you? 78 00:05:55,548 --> 00:05:58,483 So it's no wonder he turned out a rebel. 79 00:05:58,551 --> 00:06:00,985 Being born working class, it was a natural... 80 00:06:01,053 --> 00:06:04,318 I knew... I was taught to hate and fear the police, 81 00:06:04,390 --> 00:06:06,153 hate and fear the establishment, 82 00:06:06,225 --> 00:06:08,318 and to fight it. 83 00:06:08,394 --> 00:06:11,386 He had a chip on his shoulder for anybody who would tell him 84 00:06:11,463 --> 00:06:14,489 how to live his life and what to do 85 00:06:14,567 --> 00:06:16,899 and when to talk and when not to talk. 86 00:06:16,969 --> 00:06:18,163 I was always in trouble. 87 00:06:18,237 --> 00:06:20,671 Every school I went to, I was thrown out. 88 00:06:20,739 --> 00:06:23,503 Everything I got involved in, I was always in trouble, 89 00:06:23,576 --> 00:06:26,067 so I was always against the wall. 90 00:06:53,305 --> 00:06:55,034 This is Doug Layton and Tommy Charles 91 00:06:55,107 --> 00:06:58,907 reminding you that our fantastic Beatle boycott is still in effect. 92 00:06:58,978 --> 00:07:01,446 We have not forgotten what The Beatles said. 93 00:07:01,513 --> 00:07:04,038 The Beatles made a statement in all the newspapers 94 00:07:04,116 --> 00:07:07,677 that they're getting more better than, uh, Jesus Himself. 95 00:07:07,753 --> 00:07:09,050 Originally, I was... 96 00:07:09,121 --> 00:07:12,716 I pointed out that fact in reference to England, 97 00:07:12,791 --> 00:07:15,885 that we meant more to kids than Jesus did 98 00:07:15,961 --> 00:07:18,054 or religion at that time. 99 00:07:18,130 --> 00:07:19,529 I wasn't knocking it or putting it down. 100 00:07:19,598 --> 00:07:20,860 I was just saying it. 101 00:07:20,933 --> 00:07:25,063 I think simply on the basis of statistics and fact, 102 00:07:25,137 --> 00:07:26,900 his statement is untrue. 103 00:07:26,972 --> 00:07:29,133 No one is more popular than Jesus. 104 00:07:29,208 --> 00:07:32,075 I just didn't mean what everybody thinks I meant. 105 00:07:32,144 --> 00:07:34,578 I'm not anti-Christ or anti-religion 106 00:07:34,647 --> 00:07:35,807 or anti-God. 107 00:07:35,881 --> 00:07:40,250 So many people have built buildings in the name of Christ, 108 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:42,412 and what have people done for The Beatles? 109 00:07:42,488 --> 00:07:43,785 What have they done for us? 110 00:07:43,856 --> 00:07:46,416 I'm not saying that we're better or greater 111 00:07:46,492 --> 00:07:49,586 or comparing us with Jesus Christ as a person, 112 00:07:49,662 --> 00:07:51,755 or God as a thing or whatever it is. 113 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:54,264 I just said what I said and it was wrong 114 00:07:54,333 --> 00:07:55,425 or it was taken wrong, 115 00:07:55,501 --> 00:07:56,593 and now it's all this. 116 00:07:56,669 --> 00:07:58,762 We urge you to take your Beatle records, 117 00:07:58,837 --> 00:08:00,099 pictures, and souvenirs 118 00:08:00,172 --> 00:08:02,436 to the pickup points about to be named, 119 00:08:02,508 --> 00:08:04,601 and on the night of the Beatles' appearance in Memphis, 120 00:08:04,677 --> 00:08:06,110 August 19, 121 00:08:06,178 --> 00:08:08,908 they will be destroyed in a huge public bonfire 122 00:08:08,981 --> 00:08:10,312 at a place to be named soon. 123 00:08:30,035 --> 00:08:32,299 It doesn't matter about people not liking our records 124 00:08:32,371 --> 00:08:35,465 or not liking the way we look or what we say. 125 00:08:35,541 --> 00:08:37,133 They're entitled to not like us, 126 00:08:37,209 --> 00:08:40,474 and we're entitled not to have anything to do with them if we don't want to, 127 00:08:40,546 --> 00:08:42,810 or not to regard them. 128 00:08:42,881 --> 00:08:44,678 We've all got our rights, you know? 129 00:08:44,750 --> 00:08:47,878 Clearly, Lennon already was thinking about 130 00:08:47,953 --> 00:08:50,581 this thing of being the lovable mop tops 131 00:08:50,656 --> 00:08:53,147 is not really their goal in life anymore. 132 00:08:53,225 --> 00:08:56,058 Lennon in particular is more willing 133 00:08:56,128 --> 00:08:58,995 to take on a critical stance, 134 00:08:59,064 --> 00:09:00,531 a rebellious stance. 135 00:09:00,599 --> 00:09:02,999 This, I think, is the beginning, 136 00:09:03,068 --> 00:09:05,502 where Lennon sets out on the path 137 00:09:05,571 --> 00:09:08,005 that's going to bring him into direct conflict 138 00:09:08,073 --> 00:09:10,906 with the Nixon administration six years later. 139 00:09:31,029 --> 00:09:32,360 The thing the '60s did 140 00:09:32,431 --> 00:09:37,164 was show us the possibility and the responsibility that we all had. 141 00:09:37,236 --> 00:09:38,396 It wasn't the answer. 142 00:09:38,470 --> 00:09:41,871 It just have us a glimpse of the possibility. 143 00:09:52,785 --> 00:09:56,619 We intend to convince the communists 144 00:09:56,688 --> 00:10:02,183 that we cannot be defeated by force of arms 145 00:10:02,261 --> 00:10:04,252 or by superior power. 146 00:10:04,329 --> 00:10:06,263 I have today ordered to Vietnam 147 00:10:06,331 --> 00:10:09,732 the Air Mobile Division and certain other forces 148 00:10:09,802 --> 00:10:11,736 which will raise our fighting strength 149 00:10:11,804 --> 00:10:17,970 from 75,000 to 125,000 men almost immediately. 150 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:27,744 I joined the Marine Corps out of high school 151 00:10:27,820 --> 00:10:30,414 in September of 1964, 152 00:10:30,489 --> 00:10:33,652 and I volunteered to go to Vietnam. 153 00:10:33,725 --> 00:10:38,594 They could not have sent someone more dedicated. 154 00:10:38,664 --> 00:10:41,599 They could not have sent someone who was willing 155 00:10:41,667 --> 00:10:44,465 to follow their policy more than myself. 156 00:10:44,536 --> 00:10:48,097 While leading my squad across an open area, 157 00:10:48,173 --> 00:10:51,267 I was shot to the right shoulder. 158 00:10:51,343 --> 00:10:53,777 It went through my right lung, collapsed my lung, 159 00:10:53,846 --> 00:10:57,782 hit my spine, and severed my spinal cord, 160 00:10:57,850 --> 00:11:02,116 paralyzing me from my mid-chest down. 161 00:11:16,368 --> 00:11:22,000 Vietnam was not an easily accepted war on the part of the population. 162 00:11:22,074 --> 00:11:24,975 It didn't have a 9/11 that we had. 163 00:11:25,043 --> 00:11:26,806 It didn't have a Pearl Harbor. 164 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:30,474 It didn't have the motivating factors 165 00:11:30,549 --> 00:11:34,485 that would have encouraged a high degree of patriotism. 166 00:11:34,553 --> 00:11:36,714 So it was an unpopular war, 167 00:11:36,788 --> 00:11:40,315 and got to be more and more unpopular as it lingered 168 00:11:40,392 --> 00:11:42,155 and as people doubted more and more 169 00:11:42,227 --> 00:11:43,717 that it had any real purpose. 170 00:11:43,795 --> 00:11:48,255 Some 2 million Vietnamese died in that conflict. 171 00:11:48,333 --> 00:11:52,326 That did not show life, liberty, 172 00:11:52,404 --> 00:11:56,067 and the pursuit of happiness at its best. 173 00:11:57,409 --> 00:11:59,172 ...2, 3, 4! 174 00:11:59,244 --> 00:12:00,802 We don't want to fight your war! 175 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:01,868 1, 2, 3, 4! 176 00:12:03,248 --> 00:12:04,681 We don't want to fight your war! 177 00:12:04,750 --> 00:12:07,310 The ferment was considerable, 178 00:12:07,386 --> 00:12:09,684 with a leading role played by young people throughout. 179 00:12:09,755 --> 00:12:12,349 People who were normally supposed to be apathetic 180 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:14,358 and obedient and passive 181 00:12:14,426 --> 00:12:17,156 were actually entering the political arena 182 00:12:17,229 --> 00:12:20,926 to press their own demands and organizing to do something about it. 183 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,192 In this age of protest, 184 00:12:23,268 --> 00:12:25,862 one of the most recent finds 4,000 Londoners 185 00:12:25,938 --> 00:12:29,101 decrying British support for U.S. Action in Vietnam. 186 00:12:31,443 --> 00:12:34,037 There were a few minor scuffles, but no arrests. 187 00:12:34,112 --> 00:12:36,205 The demonstrators were stopped from approaching 188 00:12:36,281 --> 00:12:38,772 Prime Minister Wilson's Downing Street home. 189 00:12:41,620 --> 00:12:46,216 The whole culture had become radicalized, 190 00:12:46,291 --> 00:12:51,888 and it's in this atmosphere that The Beatles 191 00:12:51,964 --> 00:12:54,762 were being forced to engage with the world. 192 00:12:54,833 --> 00:12:56,323 Do you mind being asked questions? 193 00:12:56,401 --> 00:12:58,733 For example, in America people keep asking you questions about Vietnam. 194 00:12:58,804 --> 00:12:59,896 Does this seem useful? 195 00:12:59,972 --> 00:13:02,907 It seems a bit silly to be in America and for none of them to mention Vietnam 196 00:13:02,975 --> 00:13:04,237 as if nothing was happening. 197 00:13:04,309 --> 00:13:06,243 But why should they ask you about it? You're successful entertainers. 198 00:13:06,311 --> 00:13:07,608 That is the thing... 199 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,079 It's because Americans always ask showbiz people 200 00:13:10,148 --> 00:13:11,410 what they think about this sort of... 201 00:13:11,483 --> 00:13:12,415 The British, you know... 202 00:13:12,484 --> 00:13:14,247 "Showbiz," you know how it is. 203 00:13:14,319 --> 00:13:15,445 But, I mean, you've got to... 204 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,919 You can't just keep quiet about anything 205 00:13:16,989 --> 00:13:19,924 that's going on in the world unless you're a monk. 206 00:13:19,992 --> 00:13:21,425 Sorry, monks, I didn't mean it. 207 00:13:21,493 --> 00:13:22,585 I meant, actually... 208 00:13:22,661 --> 00:13:24,458 The thing you have to understand, 209 00:13:24,529 --> 00:13:27,589 which people don't understand necessarily about John, 210 00:13:27,666 --> 00:13:31,602 is that his thought processes were shifting. 211 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:34,138 He was in a process of evolution. 212 00:13:34,206 --> 00:13:37,767 Our society is run by insane people 213 00:13:37,843 --> 00:13:39,777 for insane objectives. 214 00:13:39,845 --> 00:13:41,472 If anybody can put on paper 215 00:13:41,546 --> 00:13:44,276 what our government and the American government, 216 00:13:44,349 --> 00:13:46,943 et cetera, and the Russian, Chinese... 217 00:13:47,019 --> 00:13:49,783 What they are actually trying to do 218 00:13:49,855 --> 00:13:52,119 and how with what they think they're doing, 219 00:13:52,190 --> 00:13:54,283 I'd be very pleased to know what they think they're doing. 220 00:13:54,359 --> 00:13:57,123 I think they're all insane. 221 00:13:57,195 --> 00:14:01,291 I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that, 222 00:14:01,366 --> 00:14:02,799 that's what's insane about it. 223 00:14:02,868 --> 00:14:04,631 He was engaged with the world, 224 00:14:04,703 --> 00:14:07,638 and what was happening in the world would change him. 225 00:14:07,706 --> 00:14:08,798 And then, you know, 226 00:14:08,874 --> 00:14:10,774 something quite dramatic happened. 227 00:14:22,387 --> 00:14:25,652 It's sort of hard to describe Yoko because she's completely unique. 228 00:14:25,724 --> 00:14:28,318 She had developed quite a good reputation 229 00:14:28,393 --> 00:14:29,758 as a conceptual artist. 230 00:14:29,828 --> 00:14:33,889 In fact, she used to call her stuff "Music of the Mind." 231 00:14:43,575 --> 00:14:46,339 With my presentation of performance art, 232 00:14:46,411 --> 00:14:49,175 I was always aware that I wanted to inspire people 233 00:14:49,247 --> 00:14:52,444 and stir people so that they can wake up. 234 00:14:52,517 --> 00:14:53,745 She once told me, like, 235 00:14:53,819 --> 00:14:57,118 "If half the people don't get up and leave, I haven't done it right," 236 00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:58,747 because she wanted to really affect people, 237 00:14:58,824 --> 00:15:01,190 and affecting people sometimes gets them very upset 238 00:15:01,259 --> 00:15:04,524 if they're not used to being aware of their feelings. 239 00:15:04,596 --> 00:15:07,030 She suddenly makes them feel something, they get angry, 240 00:15:07,099 --> 00:15:09,363 and they get angry at her for making them feel something. 241 00:15:09,434 --> 00:15:12,198 I always had this dream of meeting an artist woman, you know, 242 00:15:12,270 --> 00:15:13,965 that I would fall in love with and all that, 243 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:15,199 even from art school, you know? 244 00:15:15,273 --> 00:15:17,537 And then we met and we were talking and that, 245 00:15:17,609 --> 00:15:19,042 and then I don't know how it happened. 246 00:15:19,111 --> 00:15:21,045 You just realize that she knew everything I knew 247 00:15:21,113 --> 00:15:22,375 and more, probably, 248 00:15:22,447 --> 00:15:25,382 and it was coming out of a woman's head. 249 00:15:25,450 --> 00:15:28,544 It just sort of bowled me over. 250 00:15:28,620 --> 00:15:30,679 I believe that when he met Yoko 251 00:15:30,756 --> 00:15:33,623 he found the rest of his voice. 252 00:15:41,133 --> 00:15:44,068 Yoko gave John this sense 253 00:15:44,136 --> 00:15:46,570 or belief that he could say and do anything 254 00:15:46,638 --> 00:15:49,232 he wanted to say and do without apology. 255 00:15:49,307 --> 00:15:51,571 We crossed over into each other's fields, 256 00:15:51,643 --> 00:15:53,907 like people do from country to pop. 257 00:15:53,979 --> 00:15:56,914 We did it from avant-garde left field 258 00:15:56,982 --> 00:15:58,950 to rock and roll left field. 259 00:15:59,017 --> 00:16:02,077 We tried to find a ground there that was interesting to both of us, 260 00:16:02,154 --> 00:16:04,418 and we both got excited and stimulated 261 00:16:04,489 --> 00:16:06,923 by each other's experiences. 262 00:16:06,992 --> 00:16:09,984 We came from totally different backgrounds, 263 00:16:10,061 --> 00:16:13,087 but we were very, very similar 264 00:16:13,165 --> 00:16:14,928 in a sense that we were totally, 265 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,764 fiercely rebellious people. 266 00:16:29,514 --> 00:16:31,311 What are they doing? 267 00:16:31,383 --> 00:16:34,284 This Japanese witch has made him crazy 268 00:16:34,352 --> 00:16:35,910 and he's gone bananas. 269 00:16:35,987 --> 00:16:38,217 But all she did was take the bananas part of me 270 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:40,281 out of the closet more. 271 00:16:40,358 --> 00:16:42,292 It was a complete relief to meet somebody else 272 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,191 who was as far out as I was, you know? 273 00:16:44,262 --> 00:16:45,194 That was the real thing. 274 00:16:45,263 --> 00:16:46,958 Would you come out? 275 00:16:47,032 --> 00:16:48,124 No. 276 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,462 Why not? 277 00:16:49,534 --> 00:16:50,967 Because this is a bag event... 278 00:16:51,036 --> 00:16:53,197 Total communication. 279 00:16:53,271 --> 00:16:56,104 Don't you think it's a little bit out of fashion, what you do? 280 00:16:56,174 --> 00:16:58,768 Do you think it's a fashion to stay in a bag? 281 00:16:58,844 --> 00:17:00,311 What is it? 282 00:17:00,378 --> 00:17:01,811 It's total communication. 283 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,472 What is total communication? 284 00:17:03,548 --> 00:17:06,312 An invention of John Lennon and Yoko Ono, or is it... 285 00:17:06,384 --> 00:17:07,510 No. No, it exists. 286 00:17:07,586 --> 00:17:10,987 We're showing you one example whereby... 287 00:17:11,056 --> 00:17:13,354 - Total immersion? - Well, that's your version. 288 00:17:13,425 --> 00:17:15,916 If a black man goes for a job in a bag... 289 00:17:15,994 --> 00:17:19,760 If everybody had to go in a bag for a job, there'd be no prejudice. 290 00:17:19,831 --> 00:17:23,028 You'd have to judge people on their quality within. 291 00:17:23,101 --> 00:17:24,500 And we call it total communication. 292 00:17:24,569 --> 00:17:26,469 When we went to Austria to show it, 293 00:17:26,538 --> 00:17:28,836 we did a press conference there in a bag, 294 00:17:28,907 --> 00:17:31,842 and it was great because all the press came in, 295 00:17:31,910 --> 00:17:33,502 and they never saw us. 296 00:17:33,578 --> 00:17:35,170 We were just both in a bag. 297 00:17:35,247 --> 00:17:36,839 And they interviewed the bag and they're saying, 298 00:17:36,915 --> 00:17:39,349 "Is it really you?" And "What are you wearing?" 299 00:17:39,417 --> 00:17:41,681 And "Will you sing a song?" And that. 300 00:17:41,753 --> 00:17:42,685 "Why us?" 301 00:17:42,754 --> 00:17:44,016 And they said, "What is this?" 302 00:17:44,089 --> 00:17:45,147 I said, "It's total communication." 303 00:17:45,223 --> 00:17:47,248 They said, "But why did you pick on us? 304 00:17:47,325 --> 00:17:48,587 We've never seen a Beatle." 305 00:18:11,116 --> 00:18:15,348 Somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. 306 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:19,379 Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. 307 00:18:19,457 --> 00:18:23,553 Somewhere I read of the freedom of press. 308 00:18:23,628 --> 00:18:27,724 Somewhere I read that the greatness of America 309 00:18:27,799 --> 00:18:30,734 is the right to protest for right. 310 00:18:32,938 --> 00:18:35,236 It was another kind of atmosphere. 311 00:18:35,307 --> 00:18:39,243 You have to imagine and understand that we the Black Panther party, 312 00:18:39,311 --> 00:18:42,474 we popped up right in the middle 313 00:18:42,547 --> 00:18:46,039 of an already ongoing nationwide protest movement. 314 00:18:46,117 --> 00:18:48,244 Let me tell you something. 315 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,083 Brothers and sisters, 316 00:18:50,155 --> 00:18:52,248 if you wind up on a poverty gig 317 00:18:52,324 --> 00:18:54,417 and you don't save half that money 318 00:18:54,492 --> 00:18:56,084 to buy a gun a week, 319 00:18:56,161 --> 00:18:57,093 then you laggin'. 320 00:18:57,162 --> 00:18:58,789 You jivin'. 321 00:18:58,863 --> 00:19:01,593 I think the Black Panther party probably was dangerous, 322 00:19:01,666 --> 00:19:03,600 but not dangerous in the way 323 00:19:03,668 --> 00:19:06,262 that most people assume it might have been. 324 00:19:06,338 --> 00:19:08,829 Not dangerous because people had guns, 325 00:19:08,907 --> 00:19:12,934 but dangerous because of its ability 326 00:19:13,011 --> 00:19:16,174 to provide an example of the possibility 327 00:19:16,247 --> 00:19:18,647 of standing up to power. 328 00:19:43,341 --> 00:19:44,808 You have to be more politically aware 329 00:19:44,876 --> 00:19:46,639 in a day and age like this. 330 00:19:46,711 --> 00:19:49,373 It's almost impossible to close your eyes to it. 331 00:19:49,447 --> 00:19:51,813 And they're afraid of us because we are... 332 00:19:51,883 --> 00:19:55,319 we are not only a cultural and political threat, 333 00:19:55,387 --> 00:19:59,323 we are a military threat to those generals 334 00:19:59,391 --> 00:20:00,619 that are running that war 335 00:20:00,692 --> 00:20:03,160 and controlling young kids' minds over there. 336 00:20:03,228 --> 00:20:04,661 We're a military threat. 337 00:20:04,729 --> 00:20:07,823 When it gets down to having to use violence, 338 00:20:07,899 --> 00:20:09,662 then you're playing the system's game. 339 00:20:09,734 --> 00:20:11,668 The establishment will irritate you, 340 00:20:11,736 --> 00:20:13,328 pull your beard and flick your face, 341 00:20:13,405 --> 00:20:15,168 to make you fight. 342 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,333 Because once they've got you violent, 343 00:20:17,409 --> 00:20:19,001 then they know how to handle you. 344 00:20:56,514 --> 00:21:00,211 The Vietnam War divided this country 345 00:21:00,285 --> 00:21:03,846 as it had not been divided since the Civil War. 346 00:21:03,922 --> 00:21:05,719 Fuck you, L.B.J.! 347 00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:07,553 Fuck you, L.B. J! 348 00:21:07,625 --> 00:21:09,388 Fuck you, L.B. J! 349 00:21:09,461 --> 00:21:10,723 Fuck you... 350 00:21:10,795 --> 00:21:13,764 I was with several paralyzed veterans 351 00:21:13,832 --> 00:21:17,393 in a room at the Bronx Veterans Hospital 352 00:21:17,469 --> 00:21:19,232 on the paraplegic ward. 353 00:21:19,304 --> 00:21:21,534 And I remember we were watching the convention. 354 00:21:21,606 --> 00:21:23,574 Mr. Chairman, 355 00:21:23,641 --> 00:21:25,404 most delegates to this convention 356 00:21:25,477 --> 00:21:28,241 do not know that thousands of young people 357 00:21:28,313 --> 00:21:31,749 are being beaten in the streets of Chicago. 358 00:21:40,658 --> 00:21:43,855 Perhaps John Lennon saw the clubs coming down 359 00:21:43,928 --> 00:21:46,761 on top of the heads of the peaceful demonstrators. 360 00:21:46,831 --> 00:21:50,096 Perhaps John Lennon heard the chants 361 00:21:50,168 --> 00:21:52,102 of "The whole world is watching. 362 00:21:52,170 --> 00:21:53,364 The whole world is watching." 363 00:21:53,438 --> 00:21:55,429 The whole world is watching! 364 00:21:55,507 --> 00:21:57,134 The whole world is watching! 365 00:21:57,208 --> 00:21:58,607 And perhaps John Lennon 366 00:21:58,676 --> 00:22:00,940 had tears streaming down his face that night 367 00:22:01,012 --> 00:22:02,502 as I did, too. 368 00:22:21,065 --> 00:22:25,968 I did note the transformation of The Beatles 369 00:22:26,037 --> 00:22:30,201 when their song "Revolution" came out. 370 00:22:40,351 --> 00:22:44,151 When I hear the song "Revolution," even now, 371 00:22:44,222 --> 00:22:45,553 it just chokes me up, 372 00:22:45,623 --> 00:22:47,989 because I remember that... 373 00:22:48,059 --> 00:22:51,153 how hard it was for both of us at the time. 374 00:22:51,229 --> 00:22:53,663 We were both ostracized by the world 375 00:22:53,731 --> 00:22:57,497 and by the fans, too, that we were together, 376 00:22:57,569 --> 00:23:00,595 and also John was daring to speak out. 377 00:23:21,626 --> 00:23:25,323 When John Lennon argued 378 00:23:25,396 --> 00:23:27,523 that revolution was necessary, 379 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,193 but that it should come about through peaceful means, 380 00:23:30,268 --> 00:23:34,534 I don't think that he contradicted 381 00:23:34,606 --> 00:23:38,235 what many activists felt during that period. 382 00:23:38,309 --> 00:23:39,867 It's a mistake, I think, 383 00:23:39,944 --> 00:23:45,007 to assume that revolutions must be violent. 384 00:23:45,083 --> 00:23:47,381 If I'm a revolutionary, or we're revolutionaries, 385 00:23:47,452 --> 00:23:50,046 we're revolutionary artists, not gunmen. 386 00:23:50,121 --> 00:23:53,056 I believe in the Black Panther original statement, 387 00:23:53,124 --> 00:23:55,388 the ten-point program, which is not violent, 388 00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:59,897 which says to defend yourself against attack, 389 00:23:59,964 --> 00:24:02,558 I might consider that, 390 00:24:02,634 --> 00:24:05,228 but anything else I don't consider. 391 00:24:05,303 --> 00:24:08,067 So I'm still for peace, a peaceful revolutionary, 392 00:24:08,139 --> 00:24:10,903 but I'm an artist first and a politician second. 393 00:24:10,975 --> 00:24:12,840 He always believed we had to go about it 394 00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:15,071 in the way that Gandhi did, for instance. 395 00:24:15,146 --> 00:24:19,378 It was very effective, he felt, and we could do it that way. 396 00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:20,940 Stay in bed. 397 00:24:21,019 --> 00:24:22,577 Grow your hair. 398 00:24:22,654 --> 00:24:25,214 - Bed peace. - Hair peace. 399 00:24:25,323 --> 00:24:26,347 Hair peace, bed peace. 400 00:24:48,012 --> 00:24:50,572 They were actually trying to come up with an idea 401 00:24:50,648 --> 00:24:52,775 to have a honeymoon like most people, 402 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:55,444 a secret, romantic place to go to, 403 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,115 but realizing that they were part of the world media 404 00:24:59,190 --> 00:25:01,522 and that wherever they went the media would want to go. 405 00:25:19,911 --> 00:25:21,970 We're going to stay in bed for seven days. 406 00:25:22,046 --> 00:25:24,640 Instead of having a private honeymoon 407 00:25:24,716 --> 00:25:26,149 it's a private protest... 408 00:25:26,217 --> 00:25:28,981 For the violence that's going in the world. 409 00:25:29,053 --> 00:25:30,315 To say... 410 00:25:30,388 --> 00:25:31,821 We feel that instead of making war, 411 00:25:31,889 --> 00:25:34,323 it's better to just... Let's stay in bed for... 412 00:25:34,392 --> 00:25:35,654 And grow your hair. 413 00:25:35,727 --> 00:25:36,989 For peace? 414 00:25:37,061 --> 00:25:39,291 Let it grow till peace comes. 415 00:25:39,364 --> 00:25:40,831 What the press really wants 416 00:25:40,898 --> 00:25:43,196 is a picture of John and Yoko in bed on their honeymoon. 417 00:25:43,267 --> 00:25:45,667 And then they turned it around and said, 418 00:25:45,737 --> 00:25:47,830 "In that case, let them have a picture 419 00:25:47,905 --> 00:25:51,341 "of John and Yoko in bed on their honeymoon, but put the word 'peace' in it." 420 00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:54,105 They all thought we were going to make love in bed, see? 421 00:25:54,178 --> 00:25:56,339 And all the press from all around the world came, 422 00:25:56,414 --> 00:25:58,143 and we opened the... Helpers opened the door 423 00:25:58,216 --> 00:26:01,515 and they're fighting to get in like this with their cameras. 424 00:26:01,586 --> 00:26:02,848 Then their faces dropped. 425 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,014 We're sitting like angels saying, "Hello. Peace, brother." 426 00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:08,183 All their faces dropped and we were just in bed. 427 00:26:08,259 --> 00:26:10,750 - You were wearing... - We thought it was a great practical joke 428 00:26:10,828 --> 00:26:12,523 that most of the world's headline newspapers, 429 00:26:12,597 --> 00:26:14,531 especially the European and British was: 430 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:16,066 "Married Couple Are In Bed." 431 00:26:16,134 --> 00:26:18,193 There had never been anything like it. 432 00:26:18,269 --> 00:26:21,705 It was completely original, 433 00:26:21,773 --> 00:26:24,037 the conscious use of one's myth 434 00:26:24,108 --> 00:26:27,669 to project a political and social poetic goal. 435 00:26:27,745 --> 00:26:29,212 It had never happened before. 436 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,875 Up to then, people who were promoting world peace 437 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:35,714 were kind of like intellectual, 438 00:26:35,787 --> 00:26:37,550 anemic kind of people, 439 00:26:37,622 --> 00:26:40,386 just sort of passing out pamphlets 440 00:26:40,458 --> 00:26:43,120 that nobody wants to read. 441 00:26:43,194 --> 00:26:44,559 John was saying, "No, no." 442 00:26:44,629 --> 00:26:47,564 That's why we wanted to do it this way. 443 00:26:47,632 --> 00:26:50,396 And I think we did a great job. 444 00:26:55,139 --> 00:26:58,233 "Please stop this nonsense. 445 00:26:58,309 --> 00:27:00,903 "Go home. We don't like people like you. 446 00:27:00,978 --> 00:27:02,741 Go to a doctor to be normal." 447 00:27:02,814 --> 00:27:03,906 Are you getting this? 448 00:27:03,981 --> 00:27:06,074 It's great. 449 00:27:06,150 --> 00:27:08,084 Go to the doctor. Be normal. 450 00:27:08,152 --> 00:27:09,744 We're seeing a psychiatrist today, 451 00:27:09,821 --> 00:27:12,255 so maybe he'll fix us up, then. 452 00:27:12,323 --> 00:27:13,915 Bloody marvelous. 453 00:27:13,991 --> 00:27:16,050 When people are creative geniuses, 454 00:27:16,127 --> 00:27:17,754 you have to cut them some slack. 455 00:27:17,829 --> 00:27:22,266 You really have to cut 'em some slack. 456 00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:26,963 England isn't good at cutting slack for working-class boys. 457 00:27:27,038 --> 00:27:28,938 If it works, it is right. 458 00:27:29,006 --> 00:27:30,439 If it doesn't work, it is wrong. 459 00:27:30,508 --> 00:27:33,944 Nobody's ever given it a chance before, have they? 460 00:27:34,011 --> 00:27:35,774 Nobody's ever given peace a complete chance. 461 00:27:35,847 --> 00:27:37,610 Gandhi tried it, Martin Luther King tried it, 462 00:27:37,682 --> 00:27:38,774 but they were shot. 463 00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:40,112 But nobody's... 464 00:27:40,184 --> 00:27:43,119 But you can't get peace in a king-size divan 465 00:27:43,187 --> 00:27:45,121 on floor 802 of the... 466 00:27:45,189 --> 00:27:46,451 We don't expect to. 467 00:27:46,524 --> 00:27:49,288 We're talking mainly to the revolutionaries who think they can get it overnight 468 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,294 by breaking the sy... Breaking down the buildings. 469 00:27:51,362 --> 00:27:53,455 - They can't get it either. - They can't get it. 470 00:27:53,531 --> 00:27:54,964 We thought about this for months. 471 00:27:55,032 --> 00:27:58,627 This is the best possible, most functional and effective way 472 00:27:58,703 --> 00:28:00,796 of promoting and protesting against violence 473 00:28:00,872 --> 00:28:03,705 that our minds combined could think of. 474 00:28:03,774 --> 00:28:07,972 That someone of his caliber had decided, 475 00:28:08,045 --> 00:28:12,141 "Hell, I'm not just going to stand still and do nothing 476 00:28:12,216 --> 00:28:14,150 "while the world around me is in flames. 477 00:28:14,218 --> 00:28:15,412 I'm going to do something." 478 00:28:15,486 --> 00:28:18,284 That action that he and Yoko did, 479 00:28:18,356 --> 00:28:20,483 it was of course attacked and mocked, 480 00:28:20,558 --> 00:28:23,618 and there were contemptuous articles written about them, 481 00:28:23,694 --> 00:28:26,993 but on our generation it had a fantastic effect. 482 00:28:27,064 --> 00:28:30,158 I remember being absolutely thrilled and saying, "At last! 483 00:28:30,234 --> 00:28:32,566 Well done! Great!" 484 00:28:32,637 --> 00:28:37,665 We didn't think of it as we made an incredible success in Amsterdam. 485 00:28:37,742 --> 00:28:41,838 We were totally accused of doing a silly thing, as you know, 486 00:28:41,913 --> 00:28:46,350 and the press, they attacked us, they slashed us, you know? 487 00:28:46,417 --> 00:28:49,409 But this was our mission and we had to do it. 488 00:28:56,594 --> 00:28:59,188 We did it again. We tried to do it in New York, 489 00:28:59,263 --> 00:29:01,026 but the American government wouldn't let us in. 490 00:29:01,098 --> 00:29:03,157 They knew we'd done it in Amsterdam. 491 00:29:03,234 --> 00:29:05,031 They didn't want any peaceniks here, 492 00:29:05,102 --> 00:29:08,503 which is what we heard the department of whoever controls that said. 493 00:29:08,573 --> 00:29:11,440 We ended up doing it in Montreal instead 494 00:29:11,509 --> 00:29:14,205 and broadcasting across the border. 495 00:29:19,283 --> 00:29:20,750 It's a bed-in, folks. 496 00:29:25,489 --> 00:29:28,822 I think they might think I'm going to hot up the revolution. 497 00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:30,383 I want to cool it down. 498 00:29:30,461 --> 00:29:32,053 If we make people laugh, that's enough. 499 00:29:32,129 --> 00:29:34,461 Happiness is a good vibe for peace. 500 00:29:34,532 --> 00:29:36,898 Make love, not war, that's all we're saying. 501 00:29:36,968 --> 00:29:37,900 Just remember that. 502 00:29:37,969 --> 00:29:39,163 Peace, peace, peace, peace, 503 00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:40,897 peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace. 504 00:29:40,972 --> 00:29:43,065 Peace in your mind, peace on Earth, 505 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:45,973 peace at work, peace at home, peace in the world. 506 00:29:46,043 --> 00:29:47,908 We're selling it like soap, you know? 507 00:29:47,979 --> 00:29:51,415 You've got to sell and sell until the housewife thinks, 508 00:29:51,482 --> 00:29:54,417 Oh, well, it's peace or war. That's the two products. 509 00:29:54,485 --> 00:29:58,751 I remember being invited up to the Bed-in For Peace. 510 00:29:58,823 --> 00:30:01,257 The Smothers Brothers were fairly visible at the time 511 00:30:01,325 --> 00:30:04,556 as anti-establishment spokesmen. 512 00:30:04,629 --> 00:30:07,257 I went up there and had these long conversations. 513 00:30:07,331 --> 00:30:11,267 You don't realize the state and the control 514 00:30:11,335 --> 00:30:13,428 that exists in the United States 515 00:30:13,504 --> 00:30:15,938 in the expression of what you want to say, 516 00:30:16,007 --> 00:30:18,271 to the mildest form of dissent. 517 00:30:18,342 --> 00:30:20,435 There's no space for... 518 00:30:20,511 --> 00:30:22,945 No space or no time for negative thoughts. 519 00:30:23,014 --> 00:30:25,107 We just have to say, "Listen, we're going to make it." 520 00:30:25,182 --> 00:30:27,446 That's all. 521 00:30:27,518 --> 00:30:29,042 We have to make it. 522 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,611 What would you say to people like Richard Nixon? 523 00:30:31,689 --> 00:30:33,782 I'd say, "Do something positive about it 524 00:30:33,858 --> 00:30:37,453 "and it really is economical to have peace, Mr. Nixon, 525 00:30:37,528 --> 00:30:40,463 and you would be really popular if you did." 526 00:30:40,531 --> 00:30:41,793 What should he do? 527 00:30:41,866 --> 00:30:44,892 He should just declare peace. 528 00:30:44,969 --> 00:30:49,633 He reduced it to these very fundamental, 529 00:30:49,707 --> 00:30:51,971 easy-to-grasp concepts 530 00:30:52,043 --> 00:30:55,444 that some people thought were Utopian and naive. 531 00:30:55,513 --> 00:30:58,812 I believe sincerely as soon as people want peace 532 00:30:58,883 --> 00:31:00,475 and are aware that they can have it, 533 00:31:00,551 --> 00:31:01,950 they will have it. 534 00:31:02,019 --> 00:31:04,487 The only trouble is they're not aware that they can get it. 535 00:31:04,555 --> 00:31:06,648 Is it naive to wish for peace? 536 00:31:06,724 --> 00:31:09,318 Is it naive to think that we can change the world? 537 00:31:09,393 --> 00:31:10,826 Sure, probably. 538 00:31:10,895 --> 00:31:12,590 But it's certainly worthy 539 00:31:12,663 --> 00:31:15,632 of the thought process and the art that comes out of it. 540 00:31:41,092 --> 00:31:44,357 That's all I'm saying. 541 00:31:52,203 --> 00:31:53,397 John once said to me, 542 00:31:53,471 --> 00:31:56,872 "When I sing 'I Wanna Hold Your Hand', 543 00:31:56,941 --> 00:31:59,705 hundreds of millions of people hear that. 544 00:31:59,777 --> 00:32:04,043 Why don't I sing 'Give Peace a Chance'? 545 00:32:04,115 --> 00:32:07,380 Because hundreds of millions of people would hear that as well." 546 00:32:15,793 --> 00:32:18,921 All I'm saying! 547 00:32:18,996 --> 00:32:23,228 I thought that was a great phrase. 548 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:24,562 That's the one that went, 549 00:32:24,635 --> 00:32:30,403 "All we are saying is give peace a chance." 550 00:32:30,474 --> 00:32:32,408 They'd repeat that over and over again. 551 00:32:32,476 --> 00:32:34,569 I thought it was wonderful. 552 00:32:34,645 --> 00:32:37,637 Give peace a chance. Who can be opposed to that? 553 00:32:38,649 --> 00:32:40,810 The administration was. 554 00:32:40,885 --> 00:32:43,649 All right, everybody now! 555 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,090 Keep strong! 556 00:33:03,674 --> 00:33:06,768 They scare people into fighting wars 557 00:33:06,844 --> 00:33:11,440 which we need not fight, should not fight... 558 00:33:11,515 --> 00:33:12,607 sometimes must fight, 559 00:33:12,683 --> 00:33:15,447 but by and large not. 560 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,454 Why not go the other way? 561 00:33:18,522 --> 00:33:21,787 Sing about human community, 562 00:33:21,859 --> 00:33:26,455 sing about love and about peace. 563 00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:29,624 And suddenly that is a frightening voice 564 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,966 for people who want to hear "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" over and over again, 565 00:33:34,038 --> 00:33:37,201 and "Their eyes have seen the coming of the glory of the Lord." 566 00:33:38,209 --> 00:33:39,767 Yes, again. 567 00:33:50,054 --> 00:33:51,487 Okay, beautiful. 568 00:33:51,555 --> 00:33:52,487 Yeah! 569 00:33:58,562 --> 00:33:59,494 You made it! 570 00:33:59,563 --> 00:34:00,552 Woo-hoo! 571 00:34:33,898 --> 00:34:37,026 The highlight of the Bed-in for me 572 00:34:37,101 --> 00:34:42,368 was the fact that after all the reporters left 573 00:34:42,439 --> 00:34:43,872 and there was a beautiful moon 574 00:34:43,941 --> 00:34:47,308 that was like a full moon, 575 00:34:47,378 --> 00:34:51,542 and from our bed we can see this beautiful full moon 576 00:34:51,615 --> 00:34:53,378 and not one cloud there. 577 00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:55,884 It was a beautiful sky, 578 00:34:55,953 --> 00:34:58,649 and John was saying, "Is this great?" and all that. 579 00:34:58,722 --> 00:35:00,519 And he was saying that, you know, 580 00:35:00,591 --> 00:35:04,391 "We're just going to go on communicating the world together, 581 00:35:04,461 --> 00:35:08,056 "and our song is going to be played all over the world, 582 00:35:08,132 --> 00:35:11,067 and that's how it's going to be." 583 00:35:11,135 --> 00:35:12,898 He was very, very happy about that, 584 00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:19,068 about the fact that we are promoting world peace and love 585 00:35:19,143 --> 00:35:21,611 and we have both. 586 00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:48,104 It seems now more certain than ever 587 00:35:48,172 --> 00:35:50,606 that the bloody experience of Vietnam 588 00:35:50,674 --> 00:35:52,938 is to end in a stalemate. 589 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:55,444 This summer's almost certain stand-off 590 00:35:55,512 --> 00:35:59,278 will either end in real give-and-take negotiations 591 00:35:59,350 --> 00:36:01,284 or terrible escalation. 592 00:36:01,352 --> 00:36:04,116 And for every means we have to escalate, 593 00:36:04,188 --> 00:36:05,780 the enemy can match us, 594 00:36:05,856 --> 00:36:08,290 and that applies to invasion of the North, 595 00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:10,293 the use of nuclear weapons, 596 00:36:10,361 --> 00:36:14,388 or the mere commitment of 100 or 200 or 300,000 597 00:36:14,465 --> 00:36:16,626 more American troops to the battle. 598 00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,292 And with each escalation, 599 00:36:18,369 --> 00:36:22,237 the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster. 600 00:36:22,306 --> 00:36:25,969 You see, the war was such a great mistake. 601 00:36:26,043 --> 00:36:31,481 We went into Vietnam in order to preserve a democracy 602 00:36:31,548 --> 00:36:33,311 which did not exist. 603 00:36:33,384 --> 00:36:37,821 The fact of the matter was South Vietnam was a monarchy, 604 00:36:37,888 --> 00:36:39,617 and a rather cruel one. 605 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:43,319 We were fighting for an already lost cause 606 00:36:43,394 --> 00:36:47,831 before we ever put the first foot into the country. 607 00:36:47,898 --> 00:36:49,866 Never has so much power been used 608 00:36:49,933 --> 00:36:52,333 so ineffectively as in Vietnam. 609 00:36:52,403 --> 00:36:55,133 Lf, after all of this time and all of this sacrifice 610 00:36:55,205 --> 00:36:56,672 and all of this support, 611 00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:58,674 there is still no end in sight, 612 00:36:58,742 --> 00:37:00,505 then I say the time has come 613 00:37:00,577 --> 00:37:03,512 for the American people to turn to new leadership 614 00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:06,481 not tied to the policies and mistakes of the past. 615 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:11,419 I pledge to you, we shall have an honorable end to the war in Vietnam. 616 00:37:12,423 --> 00:37:16,860 He did run with the promise that he had a secret plan 617 00:37:16,927 --> 00:37:18,519 that he was going to unveil 618 00:37:18,595 --> 00:37:21,029 after the election to end the war. 619 00:37:21,098 --> 00:37:24,761 The war was enough to drive you crazy. 620 00:37:24,835 --> 00:37:26,393 People were being drafted. 621 00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:28,597 50,000 American soldiers were killed. 622 00:37:28,672 --> 00:37:30,572 50,000. 623 00:37:30,641 --> 00:37:34,702 40% of all the young Americans who died in Vietnam 624 00:37:34,778 --> 00:37:37,042 died during those four years 625 00:37:37,114 --> 00:37:41,016 after Nixon was elected in 1968. 626 00:37:57,101 --> 00:37:59,069 We have adopted a plan 627 00:37:59,136 --> 00:38:02,902 which we have worked out in cooperation with the South Vietnamese 628 00:38:02,973 --> 00:38:04,406 for the complete withdrawal 629 00:38:04,475 --> 00:38:07,740 of all U.S. Combat ground forces. 630 00:38:07,811 --> 00:38:10,905 As South Vietnamese forces become stronger, 631 00:38:10,981 --> 00:38:15,247 the rate of American withdrawal can become greater. 632 00:38:15,319 --> 00:38:17,082 I have not and do not intend 633 00:38:17,154 --> 00:38:19,748 to announce the timetable for our program. 634 00:38:23,827 --> 00:38:28,594 We meet today to reaffirm those ageless values 635 00:38:28,665 --> 00:38:29,893 that gave us birth, 636 00:38:29,967 --> 00:38:33,494 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. 637 00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:36,004 And we meet to declare peace, 638 00:38:36,073 --> 00:38:40,942 to put an end to war not in some distant future, 639 00:38:41,011 --> 00:38:43,241 but to put an end to it now. 640 00:38:43,313 --> 00:38:45,281 I like to be liked. 641 00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:48,477 I don't like to say things that everybody doesn't agree with. 642 00:38:48,552 --> 00:38:51,146 When peace marchers come to Washington, 643 00:38:51,221 --> 00:38:53,781 it would be very easy to say, "I agree with them. 644 00:38:53,857 --> 00:38:55,290 I will do what they want." 645 00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:58,453 But a President has to do what he considers to be right, 646 00:38:58,529 --> 00:39:00,963 because I believe that sometimes it is necessary 647 00:39:01,031 --> 00:39:03,295 to draw the line clearly, 648 00:39:03,367 --> 00:39:06,803 not to have enmity against those who disagree, 649 00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:09,634 but to make it clear that there can be no compromise 650 00:39:09,706 --> 00:39:12,300 where such great issues as self-determination 651 00:39:12,376 --> 00:39:14,708 and freedom and a just peace are involved. 652 00:39:14,778 --> 00:39:20,739 I recall approaching the Treasury Building one evening, 653 00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:24,480 and there were just streams of them coming down the street 654 00:39:24,555 --> 00:39:25,817 and they all had candles. 655 00:39:25,889 --> 00:39:29,825 Some sort of symbolism that they were using. 656 00:39:29,893 --> 00:39:33,829 Back in those days I smoked cigars, 657 00:39:33,897 --> 00:39:36,388 and I recall just walking up to one of them, 658 00:39:36,466 --> 00:39:40,334 grabbing his wrist and taking the candle 659 00:39:40,404 --> 00:39:41,666 and lighting my cigar with it. 660 00:39:41,738 --> 00:39:43,672 And I looked him in the eye and said, 661 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:45,002 "There, you have a use... 662 00:39:45,075 --> 00:39:47,009 You're useful for some purpose," 663 00:39:47,077 --> 00:39:48,169 and then went on by. 664 00:39:48,245 --> 00:39:50,008 That was our attitude toward them. 665 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,345 Nixon would put out the line during these demonstrations 666 00:39:53,417 --> 00:39:54,850 that he was watching a football game 667 00:39:54,918 --> 00:39:56,078 or something like that. 668 00:39:56,153 --> 00:39:58,451 He was very concerned with the demonstrations. 669 00:39:58,522 --> 00:40:00,888 They were making a definite impact inside the White House. 670 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:12,159 Are you listening, Nixon? 671 00:40:14,605 --> 00:40:16,368 Are you listening, Agnew? 672 00:40:18,942 --> 00:40:21,103 Are you listening in the Pentagon? 673 00:40:31,588 --> 00:40:33,215 Well, "Give Peace a Chance," 674 00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:36,555 I remember photographing a million people 675 00:40:36,627 --> 00:40:37,889 at an antiwar demonstration 676 00:40:37,961 --> 00:40:39,861 singing it with their hands up. 677 00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:42,763 That song became the national anthem 678 00:40:42,833 --> 00:40:44,232 of the antiwar movement 679 00:40:44,301 --> 00:40:46,565 in a way that the folk song "We Shall Overcome" 680 00:40:46,637 --> 00:40:50,733 became the national anthem of the Civil Rights movement before that. 681 00:40:50,807 --> 00:40:52,240 Sing it home! 682 00:41:01,818 --> 00:41:04,252 War is over if you want it. 683 00:41:04,321 --> 00:41:06,016 Peace. 684 00:41:37,454 --> 00:41:39,615 With "War Is Over If You Want lt," 685 00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:42,784 I said, "Okay, let's do posters." 686 00:41:42,859 --> 00:41:44,952 And then John said, 687 00:41:45,028 --> 00:41:46,620 "No, let's do billboards as well, 688 00:41:46,697 --> 00:41:48,995 in all different cities in the world." 689 00:41:49,066 --> 00:41:50,931 Wow. 690 00:41:51,001 --> 00:41:54,300 He was like that because his arena of communication 691 00:41:54,371 --> 00:41:55,804 was much larger than mine. 692 00:41:55,872 --> 00:41:57,305 So he thought of that. 693 00:41:57,374 --> 00:41:59,808 It's in 11 cities throughout the world. 694 00:41:59,876 --> 00:42:01,138 That's New York, L.A., 695 00:42:01,211 --> 00:42:02,974 Montreal, Toronto, 696 00:42:03,046 --> 00:42:05,139 Paris, Berlin, Rome, 697 00:42:05,215 --> 00:42:07,479 London, Athens, and Tokyo. 698 00:42:07,551 --> 00:42:09,485 And with a bit of luck, 699 00:42:09,553 --> 00:42:12,488 Port of Spain in the Caribbean. 700 00:42:12,556 --> 00:42:15,116 We met a friend there who said he'd fix it. 701 00:42:17,894 --> 00:42:19,361 Where is the money coming from 702 00:42:19,429 --> 00:42:21,488 for the posters you've got now and the billboards? 703 00:42:21,565 --> 00:42:24,659 It's coming out of our pocket at the moment, 704 00:42:24,735 --> 00:42:26,999 but we've had a few offers to help. 705 00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:28,833 People said, "How much is it?" 706 00:42:28,905 --> 00:42:31,203 I don't know, but it's cheaper than somebody's life. 707 00:42:31,274 --> 00:42:33,333 He was using the fact that the media 708 00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:35,173 had an obsessive affair with him. 709 00:42:35,245 --> 00:42:37,839 Whatever he did, they had to pay attention. 710 00:42:37,914 --> 00:42:42,681 But that doesn't actually mean that you got a coherent idea 711 00:42:42,753 --> 00:42:44,345 of what they were trying to say, 712 00:42:44,421 --> 00:42:47,185 because obviously the media didn't really understand it, 713 00:42:47,257 --> 00:42:49,657 and to the extent they understand it, they didn't like it. 714 00:42:49,726 --> 00:42:52,194 I'm someone who admired you very much. 715 00:42:52,262 --> 00:42:54,355 Well, I'm sorry you liked the old mop tops, dear, 716 00:42:54,431 --> 00:42:55,864 and you thought I was very satirical... 717 00:42:55,932 --> 00:42:57,695 But talking about cashing in on the Beatle... 718 00:42:57,768 --> 00:42:59,360 and you liked "Hard Day's Night," love, 719 00:42:59,436 --> 00:43:01,370 but I've grown up. But you obviously haven't. 720 00:43:01,438 --> 00:43:03,531 - Have you? - Yes, folks. 721 00:43:03,607 --> 00:43:05,700 - What have you grown up to? - I'm now 29. 722 00:43:05,776 --> 00:43:07,209 John was no dummy. 723 00:43:07,277 --> 00:43:09,871 He knew that people would regard him as being a nutcase. 724 00:43:09,946 --> 00:43:11,538 He didn't care. 725 00:43:11,615 --> 00:43:14,709 He thought that whatever people thought about him 726 00:43:14,785 --> 00:43:18,084 was unimportant compared to the cause he was promoting. 727 00:43:18,155 --> 00:43:19,713 If I'm going to get on the front page, 728 00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:22,224 I might as well get on the front page with the word "peace." 729 00:43:22,292 --> 00:43:24,226 But you've made yourself ridiculous! 730 00:43:24,294 --> 00:43:25,886 To some people. I don't care... 731 00:43:25,962 --> 00:43:27,486 You're too good for what you're doing! 732 00:43:27,564 --> 00:43:28,758 If it saves lives... 733 00:43:28,832 --> 00:43:30,060 You don't think you... 734 00:43:30,133 --> 00:43:31,225 Oh, my dear boy, 735 00:43:31,301 --> 00:43:32,563 you're living in a never-never land. 736 00:43:32,636 --> 00:43:33,898 Well, you talk to the... 737 00:43:33,970 --> 00:43:35,733 You don't think you've saved a single life? 738 00:43:35,806 --> 00:43:37,364 Listen, will you tell me, 739 00:43:37,441 --> 00:43:39,739 what were they singing at the moratorium? 740 00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:41,402 Which... Which... - I mean, the moratorium? 741 00:43:41,478 --> 00:43:42,570 Washington. 742 00:43:42,646 --> 00:43:43,578 The one here. 743 00:43:43,647 --> 00:43:44,909 The recent big one. 744 00:43:44,981 --> 00:43:46,915 They were singing "Give Peace a Chance." 745 00:43:46,983 --> 00:43:49,417 - A song of yours, probably. - Well, yes, and it was written... 746 00:43:49,486 --> 00:43:51,078 I knew you'd bring that up. 747 00:43:51,154 --> 00:43:52,746 So they sang one of your songs. 748 00:43:52,823 --> 00:43:53,755 Well, if you... 749 00:43:53,824 --> 00:43:54,916 Great song, sure, 750 00:43:54,991 --> 00:43:56,754 but is that all you can say about that? 751 00:43:56,827 --> 00:43:57,759 The moratorium? 752 00:43:57,828 --> 00:43:59,090 You were saying that in America 753 00:43:59,162 --> 00:44:01,096 they're so serious about the protest movement. 754 00:44:01,164 --> 00:44:02,096 Yes, they are. 755 00:44:02,165 --> 00:44:04,565 But they were so flippant that they were singing a happy-go-lucky song 756 00:44:04,634 --> 00:44:06,261 which happens to be one I wrote. 757 00:44:06,336 --> 00:44:07,769 And I'm glad they sang it. 758 00:44:07,838 --> 00:44:10,170 And when I get there, I'll sing it with them. 759 00:44:37,033 --> 00:44:42,801 April 1970, Nixon invaded Cambodia, 760 00:44:42,873 --> 00:44:45,171 and at that point, the country practically blew up. 761 00:45:10,734 --> 00:45:14,670 Four students on May 4, 1970, 762 00:45:14,738 --> 00:45:17,172 were killed by National Guardsmen 763 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,834 at Kent State University for protesting. 764 00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:22,674 They were protesting against the war. 765 00:45:22,746 --> 00:45:25,579 Okay, you had 18-year-old college kids 766 00:45:25,649 --> 00:45:29,176 without the sense God gave a goose 767 00:45:29,252 --> 00:45:33,188 going around challenging 18-year-old kids 768 00:45:33,256 --> 00:45:36,851 with.30-06 semiautomatic rifles... 769 00:45:36,927 --> 00:45:39,361 Yes, they were in uniform. They were National Guard... 770 00:45:39,429 --> 00:45:41,590 Very little training. 771 00:45:41,665 --> 00:45:44,532 They felt threatened, they were armed. 772 00:45:44,601 --> 00:45:46,762 What did you think was going to happen? 773 00:45:46,836 --> 00:45:48,895 [Bell clangs] 774 00:47:32,375 --> 00:47:35,936 Somehow I thought that this was an irresistible tide 775 00:47:36,012 --> 00:47:38,913 that was going to carry the whole of America with it, 776 00:47:38,982 --> 00:47:41,143 and we didn't quite see the backlash 777 00:47:41,217 --> 00:47:43,481 that was actually already brewing 778 00:47:43,553 --> 00:47:48,991 and quite evident if you were just willing to open your eyes. 779 00:47:49,059 --> 00:47:52,995 Each of the special agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation 780 00:47:53,063 --> 00:47:57,329 must be ready and capable to meet any challenge. 781 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,666 The security of our nation or the life of a loved one 782 00:48:01,738 --> 00:48:04,332 may depend upon him. 783 00:48:04,407 --> 00:48:07,171 Hoover was a man who had 784 00:48:07,243 --> 00:48:11,509 a slightly different version of democracy 785 00:48:11,581 --> 00:48:13,048 than the rest of us did. 786 00:48:13,116 --> 00:48:15,175 The FBI under J. Edgar Hoover, 787 00:48:15,251 --> 00:48:17,344 as documents now make clear... 788 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:20,014 I don't think there's any real debate about it anymore... 789 00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:22,684 Used the FBI as an instrument, 790 00:48:22,759 --> 00:48:26,160 almost as a political police force. 791 00:48:26,229 --> 00:48:30,359 Anyone who was off message became susceptible 792 00:48:30,433 --> 00:48:32,731 to an FBI probe. 793 00:48:32,802 --> 00:48:35,532 They say sometimes that Mr. Hoover is controversial. 794 00:48:35,605 --> 00:48:38,039 Let me tell you something. Anybody who's strong, 795 00:48:38,108 --> 00:48:41,373 anybody who fights for what he believes in, 796 00:48:41,444 --> 00:48:43,537 anybody who stands up when it's tough 797 00:48:43,613 --> 00:48:45,080 is bound to be controversial. 798 00:48:45,148 --> 00:48:46,706 Back in those days, 799 00:48:46,783 --> 00:48:49,547 the FBI would operate affirmatively. 800 00:48:49,619 --> 00:48:52,679 They would not just gather intelligence, 801 00:48:52,756 --> 00:48:54,724 but it perceived as its mission 802 00:48:54,791 --> 00:48:57,851 the disruption of the other side. 803 00:48:57,927 --> 00:49:01,886 Anyone who was involved at that time in any movement 804 00:49:01,965 --> 00:49:05,059 that challenged the government in any way 805 00:49:05,135 --> 00:49:08,866 was aware of the extent to which the FBI 806 00:49:08,938 --> 00:49:10,906 tapped peoples' phones, 807 00:49:10,974 --> 00:49:14,740 engaged in widespread surveillance, 808 00:49:14,811 --> 00:49:18,247 engaged in harassment, framed people up, 809 00:49:18,314 --> 00:49:19,713 used the legal system. 810 00:49:19,783 --> 00:49:22,081 Ours is a just cause. 811 00:49:22,152 --> 00:49:24,245 If we have faith in humanity, 812 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,914 if we seek God's divine guidance, 813 00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:29,754 if we summon the courage of our forefathers, 814 00:49:29,826 --> 00:49:33,091 our heritage of freedom will be preserved. 815 00:49:33,163 --> 00:49:39,932 Yeah, looking back, it was horrible what we did. 816 00:49:43,006 --> 00:49:46,271 The, uh... We were being used by the government 817 00:49:46,342 --> 00:49:49,573 to stop dissent, just... plain and simple. 818 00:49:49,646 --> 00:49:51,113 It was very serious. 819 00:49:51,181 --> 00:49:53,308 It reached as far as political assassination... 820 00:49:53,383 --> 00:49:57,615 Gestapo-style assassination of a leading black organizer 821 00:49:57,687 --> 00:49:59,086 in Chicago, Fred Hampton. 822 00:50:06,362 --> 00:50:08,956 It was what Hoover liked. 823 00:50:09,032 --> 00:50:11,796 It was what Hoover wanted to hear, 824 00:50:11,868 --> 00:50:16,464 that agents were neutralizing these different organizations. 825 00:50:16,539 --> 00:50:18,131 So there wasn't a question 826 00:50:18,208 --> 00:50:21,473 of whether it was right or wrong, 827 00:50:21,544 --> 00:50:24,308 illegal, ethical, 828 00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:26,905 immoral or whatever, as long as it was effective. 829 00:50:26,983 --> 00:50:30,146 America has no place for those timid souls 830 00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:32,984 who urge appeasement at any price, 831 00:50:33,056 --> 00:50:34,648 nor those who chant 832 00:50:34,724 --> 00:50:37,989 the "better Red than dead" slogan. 833 00:50:38,061 --> 00:50:42,998 We need men and women with a capacity for moral indignation, 834 00:50:43,066 --> 00:50:45,000 men and women of faith, 835 00:50:45,068 --> 00:50:47,161 men and women of conviction, 836 00:50:47,237 --> 00:50:50,832 men and women with the God-given strength and determination 837 00:50:50,907 --> 00:50:53,375 to uphold the cause of democracy. 838 00:51:09,292 --> 00:51:13,023 When we went to New York we were so elated. 839 00:51:13,096 --> 00:51:16,031 John was in love with New York City to begin with, 840 00:51:16,099 --> 00:51:17,691 and I, for me, of course, 841 00:51:17,767 --> 00:51:20,361 it was almost like my hometown. 842 00:51:20,436 --> 00:51:22,529 And we met all the artists 843 00:51:22,605 --> 00:51:25,369 and all the sort of underground politicians and everything. 844 00:51:25,441 --> 00:51:26,533 It was just so exciting. 845 00:51:26,609 --> 00:51:29,077 So we started to feel that we should stay. 846 00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:46,223 I just sort of felt at home here 847 00:51:46,296 --> 00:51:48,560 as soon as I relaxed and got over the fact 848 00:51:48,631 --> 00:51:52,067 that I wasn't, you know, in England, 849 00:51:52,135 --> 00:51:53,898 and that I was living somewhere else. 850 00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:57,064 Fortunately, or unfortunately, 851 00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:59,574 they speak English, so I just fitted in. 852 00:51:59,642 --> 00:52:02,236 At that point I think John said it felt like 853 00:52:02,312 --> 00:52:05,804 the center of the creative world 854 00:52:05,882 --> 00:52:08,578 and that in the time of Rome you'd want to be in Rome. 855 00:52:08,651 --> 00:52:10,414 You wouldn't want to be in the suburbs. 856 00:52:10,486 --> 00:52:13,922 In the time of the '70s, you'd want to be in New York. 857 00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:17,426 John wanted to live right here. He didn't want any hassles, 858 00:52:17,493 --> 00:52:19,358 but he came into a cauldron. 859 00:52:19,429 --> 00:52:21,590 He put himself right in the middle of a political firestorm, 860 00:52:21,664 --> 00:52:23,461 and he got singed by it. 861 00:52:23,533 --> 00:52:27,094 The problem with John Lennon was not his music, 862 00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:29,263 but it was with some of the friends 863 00:52:29,339 --> 00:52:32,968 that he began to develop. 864 00:52:35,345 --> 00:52:36,778 They make it so that the Chinese, 865 00:52:36,846 --> 00:52:38,108 they make it so that the Vietnamese, 866 00:52:38,181 --> 00:52:39,773 they make it so the Viet Cong, they're enemies. 867 00:52:39,849 --> 00:52:41,942 But they're my brothers, not the enemies, you see? 868 00:52:42,018 --> 00:52:43,144 Dig it. 869 00:52:43,219 --> 00:52:46,120 We are at war with that empire 870 00:52:46,189 --> 00:52:48,783 that pollutes and tries to destroy the world 871 00:52:48,858 --> 00:52:50,120 and its own young people. 872 00:52:50,193 --> 00:52:51,490 We are at war, Nixon. 873 00:52:51,561 --> 00:52:52,721 Remember that. 874 00:52:52,795 --> 00:52:57,095 Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin were very highly evolved political activists. 875 00:52:57,166 --> 00:52:59,566 They, I hasten to add, 876 00:52:59,635 --> 00:53:00,966 had a sweetness to them, too, 877 00:53:01,037 --> 00:53:03,938 but they were much more hardened by the wars 878 00:53:04,007 --> 00:53:06,475 that they had been fighting now for several years 879 00:53:06,542 --> 00:53:08,442 in a very public environment. 880 00:53:08,511 --> 00:53:10,502 We met them, and we were both very nervous about it. 881 00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:11,604 Yes. 882 00:53:11,681 --> 00:53:13,911 And I thought, I don't want... I want to be careful. 883 00:53:13,983 --> 00:53:16,816 I don't want to meet any bomb-throwing freaks and all that jazz. 884 00:53:16,886 --> 00:53:19,821 And we finally met him. We were very nervous. 885 00:53:19,889 --> 00:53:21,652 And we were both pleasantly surprised 886 00:53:21,724 --> 00:53:23,988 by how they both were not at all like their image, 887 00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:26,494 as we aren't like our image. 888 00:53:26,562 --> 00:53:30,157 And many other people I've met, I believed the newspaper image about them, 889 00:53:30,233 --> 00:53:31,700 although I should know better, 890 00:53:31,768 --> 00:53:34,328 because I've seen a lot of rubbish written about myself that isn't true. 891 00:53:34,404 --> 00:53:35,666 So we met and we found... 892 00:53:35,738 --> 00:53:38,332 We found something in them that was artistic. 893 00:53:38,408 --> 00:53:39,841 Very sensitive. 894 00:53:39,909 --> 00:53:42,173 The first thing we said to them was, "Hey, you're like artists. 895 00:53:42,245 --> 00:53:44,907 "You're writing these books. You're performing theater. 896 00:53:44,981 --> 00:53:45,913 You're like artists." 897 00:53:45,982 --> 00:53:48,177 They said, "Well, you two artists are more like revolutionaries to us." 898 00:53:49,252 --> 00:53:50,844 When they met Hoffman and Rubin, 899 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,514 they were absolutely instruments 900 00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:56,615 in the hands of two political masters. 901 00:53:56,692 --> 00:53:58,683 When John and Yoko came, you know, 902 00:53:58,761 --> 00:53:59,693 "Give peace a chance." 903 00:53:59,762 --> 00:54:01,024 They were going... 904 00:54:01,097 --> 00:54:03,224 "Now I have another weapon to use against the state." 905 00:54:03,299 --> 00:54:06,530 The knife lying on a table is not a threat to anybody. 906 00:54:06,602 --> 00:54:09,537 It requires human responsible agency 907 00:54:09,605 --> 00:54:12,233 to take the knife and use it to cut somebody's throat. 908 00:54:12,308 --> 00:54:16,369 He would be looked upon as a tool. 909 00:54:16,446 --> 00:54:19,381 In this instance, he was being manipulated 910 00:54:19,449 --> 00:54:23,886 in a way that harmed the effort of the United States 911 00:54:23,953 --> 00:54:26,547 to win the war in Vietnam 912 00:54:26,622 --> 00:54:29,557 and to have order and stability here at home. 913 00:54:29,625 --> 00:54:33,061 Yoko and I were lucky enough to meet this man 914 00:54:33,129 --> 00:54:36,394 a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago, 915 00:54:36,466 --> 00:54:38,229 and we found he was a beautiful guy 916 00:54:38,301 --> 00:54:40,235 and he had a lot to say. 917 00:54:40,303 --> 00:54:43,568 He was doing a lot that was not what I had read in the paper about him. 918 00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:45,231 We came straight from England. 919 00:54:45,308 --> 00:54:47,242 There were a lot of these things at the foundation... 920 00:54:47,310 --> 00:54:48,572 Giving food to people, 921 00:54:48,644 --> 00:54:50,737 the programs of education. 922 00:54:50,813 --> 00:54:54,408 We thought, "Well, let's see that side of these people." 923 00:54:54,484 --> 00:54:55,917 The man we're going to introduce 924 00:54:55,985 --> 00:54:57,577 is a good friend of ours, 925 00:54:57,653 --> 00:54:59,416 and also of yours, I hope. 926 00:54:59,489 --> 00:55:03,289 The man is Bobby Seale, the chairman of the Black Panther party, and here he is. 927 00:55:06,662 --> 00:55:09,426 What Bobby Seale added to this equation 928 00:55:09,499 --> 00:55:12,263 was a far more dangerous aspect, 929 00:55:12,335 --> 00:55:15,463 a far more immediate, physical kind of threat. 930 00:55:15,538 --> 00:55:18,530 He was much more foreboding and menacing than the other guys. 931 00:55:18,608 --> 00:55:22,442 We can speak of pollution 932 00:55:22,512 --> 00:55:26,448 in terms of the historical pollution of fascism, 933 00:55:26,516 --> 00:55:28,609 the historical pollution of war, 934 00:55:28,684 --> 00:55:31,448 the historical pollution of hunger in the world, 935 00:55:31,521 --> 00:55:33,955 the historical pollution of murder, 936 00:55:34,023 --> 00:55:37,117 the historical pollution that we people, 937 00:55:37,193 --> 00:55:39,457 poor, oppressed people in this world all over 938 00:55:39,529 --> 00:55:42,327 have been subjected to for too many years. 939 00:55:42,398 --> 00:55:45,799 That pollution is the basis of the pollution of the nature, 940 00:55:45,868 --> 00:55:47,130 the world, the universe. 941 00:55:47,203 --> 00:55:49,637 The only solution to pollution 942 00:55:49,705 --> 00:55:51,764 is a people's humane revolution. 943 00:55:55,244 --> 00:55:58,975 Both John and I felt that he was a very, very intelligent guy. 944 00:55:59,048 --> 00:56:03,985 And we communicated on that level. 945 00:56:04,053 --> 00:56:06,317 This is one of those 946 00:56:06,389 --> 00:56:09,654 personalized kind of coalitions. 947 00:56:09,725 --> 00:56:11,488 He was telling me up front, 948 00:56:11,561 --> 00:56:12,823 he says, "I want to help. 949 00:56:12,895 --> 00:56:14,556 "I want to get some money and donate, 950 00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:16,689 "and do whatever we can to help the cause, 951 00:56:16,766 --> 00:56:18,165 because what you're doing"... 952 00:56:18,234 --> 00:56:20,828 He saw what we were about 953 00:56:20,903 --> 00:56:22,837 through me rapping with him and talking to him 954 00:56:22,905 --> 00:56:24,338 and telling him those stories and stuff 955 00:56:24,407 --> 00:56:25,601 and all the things we did. 956 00:56:25,675 --> 00:56:27,506 What is the policy of the Black Panther party? 957 00:56:27,577 --> 00:56:29,272 - Because a lot of people don't know... - Policy? 958 00:56:29,345 --> 00:56:31,336 Maybe you'd like me to talk about philosophy. 959 00:56:31,414 --> 00:56:32,642 Philosophy. 960 00:56:32,715 --> 00:56:34,376 Our philosophy is basically what we call intercommunalism. 961 00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:35,849 We're not nationalists. 962 00:56:35,918 --> 00:56:37,351 We don't believe in nationalism. 963 00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:40,184 Nationalism or nationhood and all it's hooked up with 964 00:56:40,256 --> 00:56:43,692 is akin to superiority, is akin to racism, 965 00:56:43,759 --> 00:56:45,852 - is akin to sectarianism... - That's what I said in my song. 966 00:56:45,928 --> 00:56:48,556 - So we're not that... - "lmagine no countries." 967 00:56:48,631 --> 00:56:51,964 I guess at that point we had evolved to really be friends, you know what I mean? 968 00:56:52,034 --> 00:56:54,059 We liked each other. I liked John, you know? 969 00:56:54,136 --> 00:56:57,697 This guy was defending 970 00:56:57,773 --> 00:57:03,370 something that I thought was necessary and relevant 971 00:57:03,446 --> 00:57:06,313 about those protest movement times. 972 00:57:06,382 --> 00:57:09,510 You know when you put Bobby Seale on the team 973 00:57:09,585 --> 00:57:11,450 that every cop's gonna hate you, 974 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,183 that every law enforcement person on Earth is going to oppose you 975 00:57:15,258 --> 00:57:18,386 and characterize everything you do in the context 976 00:57:18,461 --> 00:57:20,793 of a true enemy of the state. 977 00:57:20,863 --> 00:57:24,390 He could have stayed in music, stayed away from drugs, 978 00:57:24,467 --> 00:57:27,925 kept his mouth shut about what he liked or disliked 979 00:57:28,004 --> 00:57:29,232 about the United States. 980 00:57:29,305 --> 00:57:30,897 "Don't get involved in any politics. 981 00:57:30,973 --> 00:57:33,908 Just sing your songs and keep quiet." 982 00:57:33,976 --> 00:57:35,000 Everything would have been fine. 983 00:57:35,077 --> 00:57:38,808 But when he starts financing the people 984 00:57:38,881 --> 00:57:40,576 that we're trying to put in jail, 985 00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:42,618 then that gets kind of serious. 986 00:57:45,488 --> 00:57:49,925 I mean, the notion that the world's largest, 987 00:57:49,992 --> 00:57:53,257 most powerful imperial nation, 988 00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:55,092 the United States of America, 989 00:57:55,164 --> 00:58:01,592 could be seriously threatened by a writer, an intellectual, 990 00:58:01,671 --> 00:58:05,607 a singer, a painter is laughable. 991 00:58:05,675 --> 00:58:08,269 I mean, it's just a joke, 992 00:58:08,344 --> 00:58:11,279 but it indicates how nervous they were. 993 00:58:11,347 --> 00:58:13,144 The authorities were terrified of him 994 00:58:13,215 --> 00:58:15,775 because he just had so much sway. 995 00:58:15,851 --> 00:58:17,250 Terrified. 996 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,288 See, they weren't frightened of people like Mick Jagger. 997 00:58:19,355 --> 00:58:21,949 That was musicians and silly long-haired gits misbehaving with too much money. 998 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,623 Trouble with John is he... 999 00:58:25,695 --> 00:58:30,359 There was some intellectual force behind the argument. 1000 00:58:32,368 --> 00:58:35,132 Anyone who didn't like this country 1001 00:58:35,204 --> 00:58:38,139 could either shut up or leave. 1002 00:58:38,207 --> 00:58:41,608 And that was the way I think all of us felt. 1003 00:58:41,677 --> 00:58:43,645 That's what they would say. 1004 00:58:43,713 --> 00:58:46,273 "What is this foreigner doing over here 1005 00:58:46,349 --> 00:58:51,480 with his dirty songs criticizing us and our war?" 1006 00:58:51,554 --> 00:58:55,149 Patriotism is, as we know, the last refuge of the scoundrel. 1007 00:58:55,224 --> 00:58:58,159 Now, we're talking about real scoundrels, like Nixon. 1008 00:58:58,227 --> 00:59:01,321 And some present-day people do play the same number. 1009 00:59:01,397 --> 00:59:02,830 "Oh, it's unpatriotic. 1010 00:59:02,898 --> 00:59:04,058 Unpatriotic." 1011 00:59:10,539 --> 00:59:13,565 John Lennon! Yoko Ono! 1012 00:59:19,582 --> 00:59:22,847 We came here not only to help John 1013 00:59:22,918 --> 00:59:25,853 and to spotlight what's going on, 1014 00:59:25,921 --> 00:59:28,822 but also to show and to say to all of you 1015 00:59:28,891 --> 00:59:34,693 that apathy isn't it and that we can do something. 1016 00:59:34,764 --> 00:59:37,358 Okay, so "flower power" didn't work. So what? 1017 00:59:37,433 --> 00:59:39,526 We start again. 1018 00:59:39,602 --> 00:59:41,968 This song I wrote for John Sinclair. 1019 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,240 I became a cultural activist... community activist 1020 00:59:48,310 --> 00:59:50,039 in Detroit 40 years ago. 1021 00:59:50,112 --> 00:59:53,206 We wanted to say that they should end the war 1022 00:59:53,282 --> 00:59:56,683 and that people should love each other. 1023 00:59:56,752 --> 00:59:59,050 So then we started proselytizing 1024 00:59:59,121 --> 01:00:01,555 for marijuana legalization 1025 01:00:01,624 --> 01:00:03,717 while smoking great quantities, 1026 01:00:03,793 --> 01:00:09,060 which was not really the wisest decision. 1027 01:00:09,131 --> 01:00:11,224 You should kind of do one or the other, you know, 1028 01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:13,359 if you want to be successful at either. 1029 01:00:13,436 --> 01:00:18,066 I kept getting arrested for marijuana possession, 1030 01:00:18,140 --> 01:00:22,406 and then for giving two joints to an undercover policewoman. 1031 01:00:22,478 --> 01:00:27,074 He's been in jail 21/2 years for smoking two joints! 1032 01:00:27,149 --> 01:00:29,913 There's such a thing as the solidarity of saliva. 1033 01:00:29,985 --> 01:00:31,850 When one pot smoker is in jail, 1034 01:00:31,921 --> 01:00:33,354 every one of us is in jail! 1035 01:00:33,422 --> 01:00:38,223 I was sentenced to 91/2-10 years in July of 1969, 1036 01:00:38,294 --> 01:00:40,489 and sent to prison 1037 01:00:40,563 --> 01:00:42,758 and kept under maximum security, 1038 01:00:42,832 --> 01:00:46,928 and I was actually declared a threat to society 1039 01:00:47,002 --> 01:00:48,594 by the Michigan Court of Appeals. 1040 01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:53,434 Okay, "John Sinclair." Nice and easy now. 1041 01:00:53,509 --> 01:00:55,101 Sneaky. 1042 01:00:55,177 --> 01:00:58,112 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4. 1043 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,660 It was a 12-hour concert. 1044 01:01:46,729 --> 01:01:48,788 It was broadcast live all over the state. 1045 01:01:48,864 --> 01:01:51,332 The day before that concert, 1046 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,334 John Sinclair was denied appeal bond. 1047 01:01:53,402 --> 01:01:55,802 The Michigan Supreme Court wouldn't let him out. 1048 01:02:34,276 --> 01:02:36,210 And then... 1049 01:02:36,278 --> 01:02:38,212 everything just skyrocketed, 1050 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,875 and the tide of public opinion 1051 01:02:41,951 --> 01:02:47,389 turned in my favor almost 180 degrees, 1052 01:02:47,456 --> 01:02:50,391 because regular people thought, 1053 01:02:50,459 --> 01:02:52,051 "Gee, this guy from The Beatles 1054 01:02:52,127 --> 01:02:54,061 "is coming to sing about this guy's case. 1055 01:02:54,129 --> 01:02:55,562 There must be something wrong with it." 1056 01:02:55,631 --> 01:02:57,394 On Monday morning 1057 01:02:57,466 --> 01:02:59,058 the Michigan Supreme Court reversed itself 1058 01:02:59,134 --> 01:03:02,262 and let Sinclair out, let him free. 1059 01:03:29,832 --> 01:03:33,996 That's when the FBI began to see the beginning 1060 01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:36,936 of the power of John and Yoko, 1061 01:03:37,006 --> 01:03:39,600 especially John Lennon. 1062 01:03:39,675 --> 01:03:42,610 We are certifying the 26th Amendment 1063 01:03:42,678 --> 01:03:44,305 to the Constitution of the United States. 1064 01:03:44,380 --> 01:03:46,780 That amendment, as you know, 1065 01:03:46,849 --> 01:03:49,784 provides for the right to vote 1066 01:03:49,852 --> 01:03:53,788 of all of our young people between 18 and 21. 1067 01:03:53,856 --> 01:03:56,290 11 million new voters as a result of this amendment 1068 01:03:56,358 --> 01:04:00,260 that you now will see certified by the GSA administrator. 1069 01:04:00,329 --> 01:04:03,298 So Nixon now is facing a huge electorate 1070 01:04:03,365 --> 01:04:04,798 that he has never faced before, 1071 01:04:04,867 --> 01:04:07,802 this 18- to 21-year-old demographic, 1072 01:04:07,870 --> 01:04:11,636 the heart and soul of John's fans. 1073 01:04:11,707 --> 01:04:13,800 See, there was a fear that John could stir, 1074 01:04:13,876 --> 01:04:15,867 that John could affect, 1075 01:04:15,944 --> 01:04:19,141 that John could imperil the political existence of Richard Nixon. 1076 01:04:20,349 --> 01:04:25,184 Well, I suppose, if you want to kind of list your enemies 1077 01:04:25,254 --> 01:04:28,815 and decide who is most dangerous, 1078 01:04:28,891 --> 01:04:33,919 if I were Nixon, I would put Lennon up near the top. 1079 01:04:33,996 --> 01:04:37,488 A few years ago you would have said, "Let's not vote. Voting's irrelevant." 1080 01:04:37,566 --> 01:04:40,660 I had that feeling, too. I never did vote in my life. 1081 01:04:40,736 --> 01:04:44,001 But now I've met you and a lot of people and you're all saying register to vote. 1082 01:04:44,073 --> 01:04:45,665 That doesn't seem very radical to me. 1083 01:04:45,741 --> 01:04:47,174 What's the change in... 1084 01:04:47,242 --> 01:04:49,972 Two years ago, you would say, "Don't vote," and now you say, "Vote." 1085 01:04:50,045 --> 01:04:52,513 This time, since there's 18-year-old vote... 1086 01:04:52,581 --> 01:04:55,015 It ought to be reduced to 12. 1087 01:04:55,084 --> 01:04:57,985 We think that all young people should vote as a block, 1088 01:04:58,053 --> 01:04:59,680 and we shouldn't vote for any candidate 1089 01:04:59,755 --> 01:05:02,349 that doesn't automatically withdraw everything from Vietnam, 1090 01:05:02,424 --> 01:05:04,016 and we ought to go to both conventions 1091 01:05:04,093 --> 01:05:06,618 in Miami and San Diego and nonviolently make our presence felt 1092 01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:08,128 and stand on the issues. 1093 01:05:08,197 --> 01:05:10,188 They were so heady from the success 1094 01:05:10,265 --> 01:05:13,359 of getting Sinclair out of jail from that concert 1095 01:05:13,435 --> 01:05:16,529 that there were quite a few meetings, as I recall, 1096 01:05:16,605 --> 01:05:19,039 in New York, where they were really planning a tour... 1097 01:05:19,108 --> 01:05:20,097 Quite a large tour. 1098 01:05:20,175 --> 01:05:22,200 We talked about, you know, 1099 01:05:22,277 --> 01:05:26,043 how could we stage a tour, basically, 1100 01:05:26,115 --> 01:05:30,051 that would follow Richard Nixon around America 1101 01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:33,919 during the presidential campaign of 1972. 1102 01:05:33,989 --> 01:05:36,389 Our job now is to tell them 1103 01:05:36,458 --> 01:05:37,550 that there is still hope 1104 01:05:37,626 --> 01:05:39,218 and we still have things to do, 1105 01:05:39,294 --> 01:05:41,387 and we must get out there and change their heads, 1106 01:05:41,463 --> 01:05:42,555 and tell them it's okay. 1107 01:05:42,631 --> 01:05:44,258 We can change it. 1108 01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:46,062 It isn't over just because "flower power" didn't work. 1109 01:05:46,135 --> 01:05:47,397 It's only the beginning. 1110 01:05:47,469 --> 01:05:49,403 We're just in the inception of revolution. 1111 01:05:49,471 --> 01:05:51,063 We're just at the beginning of change. 1112 01:05:51,140 --> 01:05:53,404 And they're apathetic because they're young, 1113 01:05:53,475 --> 01:05:56,467 and they think, "Oh, it didn't work today, so it's all over." 1114 01:05:56,545 --> 01:05:58,945 We must get them excited about what we can do again, 1115 01:05:59,014 --> 01:06:00,879 and that's why we're gonna go on the road... 1116 01:06:00,949 --> 01:06:05,079 And we were going to end up with a free three-day rock festival 1117 01:06:05,154 --> 01:06:07,622 outside the Republican National Convention. 1118 01:06:07,689 --> 01:06:09,987 From America it will spread to the rest of the world. 1119 01:06:10,993 --> 01:06:13,928 Viva la revoluci�n. 1120 01:06:13,996 --> 01:06:15,759 It was our perspective of Lennon 1121 01:06:15,831 --> 01:06:18,425 that most of the time he was walking around stoned, 1122 01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:19,933 whacked out of his mind. 1123 01:06:20,002 --> 01:06:25,099 But he was a high-profile figure, 1124 01:06:25,174 --> 01:06:30,578 and so his activities were being monitored. 1125 01:06:30,646 --> 01:06:33,615 They knew for a fact that they didn't want hundreds, thousands, 1126 01:06:33,682 --> 01:06:38,813 millions of young people attending a counter-convention, 1127 01:06:38,887 --> 01:06:41,117 especially where John Lennon would perform. 1128 01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:47,595 I don't think he realized the strength of the American political establishment 1129 01:06:47,663 --> 01:06:52,464 and how much power it could exert onto him 1130 01:06:52,534 --> 01:06:55,128 with regard to silencing him, 1131 01:06:55,204 --> 01:07:01,803 or covert ways in which they might follow his activities. 1132 01:07:01,877 --> 01:07:04,141 We were certain the phones were all tapped, 1133 01:07:04,213 --> 01:07:06,477 and it was... 1134 01:07:06,548 --> 01:07:10,484 Like most things, our wildest dreams did not begin to touch 1135 01:07:10,552 --> 01:07:13,043 what they were actually doing against us. 1136 01:07:13,121 --> 01:07:15,612 Do you think that they are kind of picking on you, John? 1137 01:07:15,691 --> 01:07:17,659 Oh, yeah, they picked on me. I'm telling you, 1138 01:07:17,726 --> 01:07:21,162 when it first started I was followed in a car 1139 01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:22,322 and my phone was tapped. 1140 01:07:22,397 --> 01:07:24,627 I think they wanted me to know to scare me, 1141 01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:26,327 and I was scared, paranoid. 1142 01:07:26,401 --> 01:07:29,336 People thought I was crazy then. 1143 01:07:29,404 --> 01:07:31,497 I mean, they do anyway, but, I mean, more so. 1144 01:07:31,573 --> 01:07:34,167 You know, "Lennon, you big-headed maniac. 1145 01:07:34,243 --> 01:07:36,837 Who's going to follow you around? What do they want?" 1146 01:07:36,912 --> 01:07:39,176 That's what I'm saying. What do they want? 1147 01:07:39,248 --> 01:07:41,409 I'm not going to cause them any problem. 1148 01:07:41,483 --> 01:07:45,010 It surprised me when I heard that Lennon had been under surveillance, 1149 01:07:45,087 --> 01:07:48,022 that he'd been wiretapped, just as it did when I heard 1150 01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:49,887 that Martin Luther King had been. 1151 01:07:49,958 --> 01:07:53,689 These sort of things that came out of the FBI 1152 01:07:53,762 --> 01:07:57,198 really caught me as being so unnecessary 1153 01:07:57,266 --> 01:07:59,291 and so risky, and why? 1154 01:07:59,368 --> 01:08:01,029 I can't prove it. 1155 01:08:01,103 --> 01:08:04,698 I just know there's a lot of repairs going on in the cellar. 1156 01:08:04,773 --> 01:08:07,867 I know the difference between the phone being normal when I pick it up 1157 01:08:07,943 --> 01:08:10,878 and when every time I pick it up there's a lot of noises. 1158 01:08:10,946 --> 01:08:12,709 I'd open the door and there'd be guys 1159 01:08:12,781 --> 01:08:14,339 standing on the other side of the street. 1160 01:08:14,416 --> 01:08:17,044 I'd get in the car and they'd be following me in a car 1161 01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:18,381 and not hiding, you see? 1162 01:08:18,453 --> 01:08:20,546 That's why I got a bit paranoid, as well. 1163 01:08:20,622 --> 01:08:23,216 They wanted me to see I was being followed. 1164 01:08:23,292 --> 01:08:25,226 Suddenly I realized this was serious. 1165 01:08:25,294 --> 01:08:27,387 They were coming for me one way or the other. 1166 01:08:27,462 --> 01:08:28,895 They were harassing me. 1167 01:08:28,964 --> 01:08:32,900 I remember John said to me at one point, 1168 01:08:32,968 --> 01:08:34,902 "If anything happens to Yoko and me, 1169 01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:36,665 it was not an accident." 1170 01:08:36,738 --> 01:08:39,070 When we found out 1171 01:08:39,141 --> 01:08:44,579 that they were specifically interested in stopping our plans, 1172 01:08:44,646 --> 01:08:50,380 that's when we realized that it wasn't just the usual surveillance, 1173 01:08:50,452 --> 01:08:56,152 but that they were going to take aggressive steps against us. 1174 01:08:56,224 --> 01:08:57,919 This story begins, 1175 01:08:57,993 --> 01:09:00,757 at least from the White House perspective, 1176 01:09:00,829 --> 01:09:04,731 with a letter that Senator Strom Thurmond wrote. 1177 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,769 The Congress is long overdue 1178 01:09:07,836 --> 01:09:10,430 in investigating the radical left 1179 01:09:10,505 --> 01:09:13,440 for the purpose of devising new legislation 1180 01:09:13,508 --> 01:09:15,942 to protect the security of our nation 1181 01:09:16,011 --> 01:09:18,605 from enemy subversive efforts. 1182 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,616 He was a major figure on the right 1183 01:09:22,684 --> 01:09:26,120 as the right became much more of a dominant force 1184 01:09:26,188 --> 01:09:29,021 in our politics in this country in the '70s. 1185 01:09:29,091 --> 01:09:31,616 Strom Thurmond was a Republican senator 1186 01:09:31,693 --> 01:09:34,025 on the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, 1187 01:09:34,096 --> 01:09:35,791 and he had been given the information 1188 01:09:35,864 --> 01:09:39,800 about the plans that Lennon was making with Jerry Rubin, 1189 01:09:39,868 --> 01:09:44,134 Abbie Hoffman, and other people for this national concert tour. 1190 01:09:44,206 --> 01:09:46,436 This is what Strom Thurmond wrote the White House about. 1191 01:09:46,508 --> 01:09:49,807 And this is where Strom Thurmond 1192 01:09:49,878 --> 01:09:53,006 came up with a proposal to stop this. 1193 01:09:53,081 --> 01:09:55,379 Strom Thurmond's memo to the White House ends, 1194 01:09:55,450 --> 01:10:00,387 "If Lennon's visa were terminated, it would be a strategic counter-measure." 1195 01:10:02,391 --> 01:10:05,485 One day somebody knocked at the door, 1196 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,994 and we didn't open the door. We said, "Who is it?" 1197 01:10:08,063 --> 01:10:09,496 "Lmmigration." 1198 01:10:09,564 --> 01:10:14,160 And the person just slipped a paper underneath the door, 1199 01:10:14,236 --> 01:10:15,999 because we didn't open the door. 1200 01:10:16,071 --> 01:10:17,163 Maybe that's why. 1201 01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:20,174 We looked at it and it was a notice... 1202 01:10:20,242 --> 01:10:22,506 A deportation notice. 1203 01:10:22,577 --> 01:10:24,841 We just looked at each other. 1204 01:10:24,913 --> 01:10:27,347 "What are we going to do?" 1205 01:10:27,416 --> 01:10:30,180 It was a very frightening moment. 1206 01:11:15,464 --> 01:11:17,227 John, what did you say? 1207 01:11:17,299 --> 01:11:19,392 You said you felt it was shocking? 1208 01:11:19,468 --> 01:11:21,527 Well, yeah, we're a bit shocked. 1209 01:11:21,603 --> 01:11:23,571 Do you think that you will be deported? 1210 01:11:23,638 --> 01:11:26,129 I've no idea. Maybe it's just a process. I don't know. 1211 01:11:26,208 --> 01:11:27,732 We better go in. We're late. 1212 01:11:27,809 --> 01:11:29,572 We'll see you when we come out if you want. 1213 01:11:29,644 --> 01:11:31,236 Can we talk to you when you come out? 1214 01:11:31,313 --> 01:11:34,248 We have a number of matters that we have to take care of. 1215 01:11:34,316 --> 01:11:36,079 The lmmigration and Naturalization Service 1216 01:11:36,151 --> 01:11:39,917 was planning to stage a huge show trial 1217 01:11:39,988 --> 01:11:42,923 and basically get John Lennon 1218 01:11:42,991 --> 01:11:44,424 in a very, very public way. 1219 01:11:44,493 --> 01:11:47,257 They were going to try and show that he was an undesirable alien 1220 01:11:47,329 --> 01:11:49,593 because of his lifestyle, because of his friends, 1221 01:11:49,664 --> 01:11:50,926 and because of his politics. 1222 01:11:50,999 --> 01:11:53,297 Then they were going to take some of the lyrics 1223 01:11:53,368 --> 01:11:56,098 from some of his songs and play them. 1224 01:11:56,171 --> 01:11:58,935 And a lot of the songs were very antagonistic 1225 01:11:59,007 --> 01:12:00,565 to the Nixon administration. 1226 01:12:00,642 --> 01:12:03,611 What do the proceedings make you feel just on a purely emotional level? 1227 01:12:03,678 --> 01:12:05,771 Well, I feel like I'm back in school again. 1228 01:12:05,847 --> 01:12:08,179 I've been in trouble all my life one way or the other, 1229 01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:09,945 and I'm back to see the Head. 1230 01:12:10,018 --> 01:12:11,610 This time they don't cane me, that's all. 1231 01:12:11,686 --> 01:12:13,210 They don't beat me anymore. 1232 01:12:13,288 --> 01:12:15,256 There are two reasons the trial didn't happen. 1233 01:12:15,323 --> 01:12:18,292 One is that the investigator, who was the only sober-thinking person in all this, 1234 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,294 felt that it was going to alienate 1235 01:12:20,362 --> 01:12:22,387 all the youth in America if they did it. 1236 01:12:22,464 --> 01:12:24,955 And secondly, it was a big waste of time and money, 1237 01:12:25,033 --> 01:12:27,467 because they already had the ability 1238 01:12:27,536 --> 01:12:29,299 to get Lennon thrown out of the country. 1239 01:12:29,371 --> 01:12:34,138 In the late '60s, there was a head-hunting cop 1240 01:12:34,209 --> 01:12:38,475 who was not very high up in the drug department in London, 1241 01:12:38,547 --> 01:12:39,809 which was pretty new anyway. 1242 01:12:39,881 --> 01:12:42,315 They had two dogs for the whole department. 1243 01:12:42,384 --> 01:12:46,980 He went round and bust every pop star he could get his hands on. 1244 01:12:47,055 --> 01:12:48,647 Then he got famous. 1245 01:12:48,723 --> 01:12:51,658 Some of the pop stars had dope in the house, 1246 01:12:51,726 --> 01:12:53,216 and some of them didn't. 1247 01:12:53,295 --> 01:12:54,819 It didn't matter to him. 1248 01:12:54,896 --> 01:12:57,160 He planted it or did whatever. 1249 01:12:57,232 --> 01:12:59,996 Later on... That's what he did to me, 1250 01:13:00,068 --> 01:13:02,229 because at that time I didn't have any drugs. 1251 01:13:02,304 --> 01:13:06,832 We had no idea that it would come back to haunt us, 1252 01:13:06,908 --> 01:13:08,375 in a very big way, too. 1253 01:13:08,443 --> 01:13:10,172 I was convicted of possession in England 1254 01:13:10,245 --> 01:13:12,679 and fined $100... I mean, 100 pounds. 1255 01:13:12,747 --> 01:13:15,011 - Is this an obstacle? - That is the obstacle. 1256 01:13:15,083 --> 01:13:16,209 ...rather than get into trouble. 1257 01:13:16,284 --> 01:13:18,149 - Is that the obstacle to your staying? - Yeah. 1258 01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:20,620 His problem seems to be the marijuana conviction. 1259 01:13:22,691 --> 01:13:25,353 While that stands, there's no form of relief 1260 01:13:25,427 --> 01:13:27,019 that's possible in his case. 1261 01:13:27,095 --> 01:13:32,226 If he had four speeding tickets or if he had... 1262 01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:35,565 I could make up all the offenses he could have done were he an American citizen, 1263 01:13:35,637 --> 01:13:37,867 they would have tried to find a way, 1264 01:13:37,939 --> 01:13:40,373 his vulnerable spot, his Achilles' heel, 1265 01:13:40,442 --> 01:13:41,875 and that's what that was. 1266 01:13:41,943 --> 01:13:45,037 All it was was it gave John Mitchell and that crowd 1267 01:13:45,113 --> 01:13:47,604 an opening through which to attack him. 1268 01:13:47,682 --> 01:13:49,877 John, why are you being deported? 1269 01:13:49,951 --> 01:13:51,714 Well, the sort of official reason 1270 01:13:51,786 --> 01:13:56,416 is something about that I was bust in England for pot. 1271 01:13:56,491 --> 01:14:00,086 And the real reason is because I'm a peacenik. 1272 01:14:00,161 --> 01:14:01,719 You don't think that there's any possibility 1273 01:14:01,796 --> 01:14:03,889 that the government is trying to harass the Lennons. 1274 01:14:03,965 --> 01:14:05,398 Absolutely not. 1275 01:14:05,467 --> 01:14:07,731 This is the kind of treatment we would dish out 1276 01:14:07,802 --> 01:14:11,568 to anybody convicted of a narcotics offense. 1277 01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,074 Our lawyer's name is Leon Wildes, and he's... 1278 01:14:14,142 --> 01:14:16,736 He's not a radical lawyer. He's not a William Kunstler. 1279 01:14:16,811 --> 01:14:18,904 Nothing like that. We went to an immigration lawyer 1280 01:14:18,980 --> 01:14:20,072 who knew about immigration, 1281 01:14:20,148 --> 01:14:21,911 and he has really been surprised 1282 01:14:21,983 --> 01:14:23,814 because he worked in immigration 15 years. 1283 01:14:23,885 --> 01:14:24,943 He's really been surprised 1284 01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:27,113 by some of the things that have gone on. 1285 01:14:27,188 --> 01:14:29,383 I took the case because it was a challenge, 1286 01:14:29,457 --> 01:14:34,622 first of all, because I was impressed with these extraordinary people, 1287 01:14:34,696 --> 01:14:37,256 and second, because these were issues 1288 01:14:37,332 --> 01:14:40,597 which had never been previously ruled on 1289 01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:44,264 in their present form in American courts. 1290 01:14:44,339 --> 01:14:47,274 You say you've been in trouble all your life. Why is that? 1291 01:14:47,342 --> 01:14:49,276 I've just one of those faces. 1292 01:14:49,344 --> 01:14:52,108 - People never liked my face. - Oh, is that why? 1293 01:14:52,180 --> 01:14:53,841 Teachers used to get furious about it. 1294 01:14:53,915 --> 01:14:55,940 Is it because you're anti-establishment? 1295 01:14:56,017 --> 01:14:58,679 I guess it must show on the face. 1296 01:14:58,753 --> 01:15:01,779 My original comment to them about the case 1297 01:15:01,856 --> 01:15:03,380 was that I thought it was a loser. 1298 01:15:03,458 --> 01:15:06,291 Why? Because most of my clients 1299 01:15:06,361 --> 01:15:10,127 end up in a deportation proceeding, 1300 01:15:10,198 --> 01:15:12,792 and if they lose, that's the end of it. 1301 01:15:12,867 --> 01:15:15,461 If they appeal that decision, 1302 01:15:15,537 --> 01:15:17,971 they go to the Board of lmmigration Appeals, 1303 01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:21,770 and that is hardly ever successful. 1304 01:15:21,843 --> 01:15:23,970 With Leon, 1305 01:15:24,045 --> 01:15:29,677 he was always kind of suggesting, 1306 01:15:29,751 --> 01:15:31,378 hopelessly, 1307 01:15:31,453 --> 01:15:33,444 "Maybe you guys should be 1308 01:15:33,521 --> 01:15:35,455 a little bit gentler or something." 1309 01:15:35,523 --> 01:15:38,356 "We announce the birth of a conceptual country, 1310 01:15:38,426 --> 01:15:39,654 "Newtopia. 1311 01:15:39,728 --> 01:15:41,662 "Citizenship of the country can be obtained 1312 01:15:41,730 --> 01:15:44,722 "by declaration of your awareness of Newtopia. 1313 01:15:44,799 --> 01:15:47,324 "Newtopia has no land, no boundaries, 1314 01:15:47,402 --> 01:15:49,199 "no passports, only people. 1315 01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:52,671 Newtopia has no laws other than cosmic." 1316 01:15:52,741 --> 01:15:55,676 "All people of Newtopia are ambassadors of the country. 1317 01:15:55,744 --> 01:15:57,837 "As two ambassadors of Newtopia, 1318 01:15:57,912 --> 01:16:00,244 "we ask for diplomatic immunity 1319 01:16:00,315 --> 01:16:01,907 "and recognition in the United Nations 1320 01:16:01,983 --> 01:16:04,008 for our country and its people"... 1321 01:16:04,085 --> 01:16:06,883 Newtopian Embassy, 1 White Street, New York, New York. 1322 01:16:06,955 --> 01:16:10,356 Yoko apologized to me afterwards and said, 1323 01:16:10,425 --> 01:16:12,120 "You have to understand. 1324 01:16:12,193 --> 01:16:14,559 When you represent artists, we're not always predictable." 1325 01:16:14,629 --> 01:16:18,531 I said, "Maybe not always predictable, but always enjoyable." 1326 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:19,965 What does the flag mean? 1327 01:16:20,034 --> 01:16:21,160 What does the flag mean? 1328 01:16:21,236 --> 01:16:22,760 Surrender and submission. 1329 01:16:22,837 --> 01:16:24,964 It became clear to me 1330 01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:28,634 that he was a guy of major principle, 1331 01:16:28,710 --> 01:16:33,272 and he understood that what was being done to him was wrong. 1332 01:16:33,348 --> 01:16:35,441 It was an abuse of the law, 1333 01:16:35,517 --> 01:16:38,042 and he was willing to stand up 1334 01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:41,577 and try to show it, to shine the big light on it. 1335 01:16:41,656 --> 01:16:45,092 They're even sort of changing their own rules to get us, you know? 1336 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,650 Just because we're peaceniks, really. 1337 01:16:46,728 --> 01:16:48,821 Do you think it's because of your antiwar action 1338 01:16:48,897 --> 01:16:50,558 and not your marijuana conviction, then? 1339 01:16:50,632 --> 01:16:53,567 Well, let's say that a few friends of ours in the pop business 1340 01:16:53,635 --> 01:16:55,227 have exactly the same conviction as me 1341 01:16:55,303 --> 01:16:57,567 and are allowed to come and go as free as they like. 1342 01:16:57,639 --> 01:17:01,075 They don't happen to have the same point of view as me, or they don't state it. 1343 01:17:01,142 --> 01:17:03,906 Will you now stop speaking out against the war because of this? 1344 01:17:03,978 --> 01:17:05,240 Nothing will stop me, 1345 01:17:05,313 --> 01:17:07,406 and whether I'm here or wherever I may be, 1346 01:17:07,482 --> 01:17:10,280 I'll always have the same feelings and say what I feel. 1347 01:17:10,351 --> 01:17:11,579 The world is one big family. 1348 01:17:11,753 --> 01:17:16,156 We loved him for who he was, 1349 01:17:16,224 --> 01:17:18,784 and who he was to become during that period, 1350 01:17:18,860 --> 01:17:22,091 and he marched with us, he walked with us. 1351 01:17:22,163 --> 01:17:25,155 He went up against this powerful government 1352 01:17:25,233 --> 01:17:27,394 that was terribly wrong, 1353 01:17:27,469 --> 01:17:31,166 that had misled us into a deeply immoral war. 1354 01:17:32,941 --> 01:17:37,207 He did not back down. 1355 01:17:38,446 --> 01:17:40,937 It's great that you came in the rain. 1356 01:17:41,015 --> 01:17:43,950 I read somewhere that the war movement was over. 1357 01:17:47,856 --> 01:17:50,620 We're here to bring the boys home, 1358 01:17:50,692 --> 01:17:53,058 but let's not forget the machines. 1359 01:17:53,127 --> 01:17:54,822 Bring the machines home, 1360 01:17:54,896 --> 01:17:56,523 and then we'll really get somewhere. 1361 01:17:56,598 --> 01:17:58,395 Bring our boys home! 1362 01:17:58,466 --> 01:18:00,297 ...the only people that can do it. 1363 01:18:00,368 --> 01:18:02,029 It wasn't so much 1364 01:18:02,103 --> 01:18:06,301 that Lennon was being critical of U.S. Policy. 1365 01:18:06,374 --> 01:18:11,641 It's that he was over here enjoying all the benefits 1366 01:18:11,713 --> 01:18:13,977 of the success that we were giving him, 1367 01:18:14,048 --> 01:18:17,643 the wealth, the... And all the rest of it, 1368 01:18:17,719 --> 01:18:21,052 and bad-mouthing us here. 1369 01:18:21,122 --> 01:18:23,317 Our attitude was, "You want to do that? 1370 01:18:23,391 --> 01:18:24,323 "Go back to London. 1371 01:18:24,392 --> 01:18:25,825 Go back to Liverpool." 1372 01:18:25,894 --> 01:18:28,454 I like to be here because this is where the music came from. 1373 01:18:28,530 --> 01:18:29,997 This is what influenced my whole life 1374 01:18:30,064 --> 01:18:32,328 and got me where I am today, as it were. 1375 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,664 And I love the place. I'd like to be here. 1376 01:18:34,736 --> 01:18:36,169 I've got a lot of friends here, 1377 01:18:36,237 --> 01:18:38,831 and this is where I want to be, you know? 1378 01:18:38,907 --> 01:18:41,341 Statue of Liberty... Welcome. 1379 01:18:41,409 --> 01:18:43,536 I even brought my own cash. 1380 01:18:43,611 --> 01:18:44,839 He was under an order 1381 01:18:44,913 --> 01:18:47,677 to leave the country within 60 days 1382 01:18:47,749 --> 01:18:51,879 for pretty much all of 1972 and on into 1973. 1383 01:18:51,953 --> 01:18:57,016 Our reaction to the government's action taken last week 1384 01:18:57,091 --> 01:19:04,361 I believe has been very, very succinctly put by The Wall Street Journal 1385 01:19:04,432 --> 01:19:09,199 in an editorial of March 28, 1973. 1386 01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:13,536 It states, "We find it more than a little hard to believe 1387 01:19:13,608 --> 01:19:16,202 "that authorities could find no legal way 1388 01:19:16,277 --> 01:19:18,871 "to resolve what is, after all, 1389 01:19:18,947 --> 01:19:21,745 "a highly unusual set of circumstances. 1390 01:19:21,816 --> 01:19:26,719 "Further, we submit if the law does not reflect the human equities, 1391 01:19:26,788 --> 01:19:29,518 it is a law that needs to be changed." 1392 01:19:29,591 --> 01:19:32,424 Yes, the case was very difficult at that point, 1393 01:19:32,493 --> 01:19:37,556 and what he did was to just keep on extending our stay, 1394 01:19:37,632 --> 01:19:39,725 which I thought was very wise, 1395 01:19:39,801 --> 01:19:42,292 a very wise tactic. 1396 01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:45,396 I don't understand law, as it were, 1397 01:19:45,473 --> 01:19:47,236 because it is finite. 1398 01:19:47,308 --> 01:19:51,574 And I don't really go, sort of... 1399 01:19:51,646 --> 01:19:53,580 I can't express... Dig that scene, you know? 1400 01:19:53,648 --> 01:19:54,979 I don't know. 1401 01:19:55,049 --> 01:19:57,745 It seems just like to me as somebody once said, 1402 01:19:57,819 --> 01:19:59,753 "Kafka-esque." It's just bureaucracy, 1403 01:19:59,821 --> 01:20:03,416 and they get going and then what can they do? 1404 01:20:03,491 --> 01:20:05,083 They don't know where to turn, I suppose. 1405 01:20:05,159 --> 01:20:07,593 The game's started, and we have to play it out. 1406 01:20:07,662 --> 01:20:09,254 When I talked to Jerry Rubin 1407 01:20:09,330 --> 01:20:13,130 and Abbie Hoffman about this period, 1408 01:20:13,201 --> 01:20:16,762 they told me they wanted to try something new, 1409 01:20:16,838 --> 01:20:20,137 something they thought would maybe be more effective in stopping the war. 1410 01:20:20,208 --> 01:20:22,142 Jerry Rubin was talking about 1411 01:20:22,210 --> 01:20:23,939 what he called a political Woodstock 1412 01:20:24,012 --> 01:20:27,448 that they would hold outside the Republican National Convention. 1413 01:20:27,515 --> 01:20:31,144 They really tried to make us go to Miami, 1414 01:20:31,219 --> 01:20:34,120 and we kept saying we're not gonna do it, 1415 01:20:34,188 --> 01:20:36,952 but Jerry, for political reasons, 1416 01:20:37,025 --> 01:20:38,856 just announced that we're gonna be there. 1417 01:20:38,926 --> 01:20:41,053 They think we're going to San Diego or Miami. 1418 01:20:41,129 --> 01:20:43,620 We've never said we're going. We ain't going. 1419 01:20:43,698 --> 01:20:45,791 They'll be no big jam with us and Dylan 1420 01:20:45,867 --> 01:20:47,300 because there's too much going on. 1421 01:20:47,368 --> 01:20:49,495 We never said we were going. That's it. 1422 01:20:49,570 --> 01:20:51,128 By then John and I realized 1423 01:20:51,205 --> 01:20:53,935 that it would have been very, very dangerous for us. 1424 01:20:54,008 --> 01:20:57,136 We had a very distinct, clear feeling 1425 01:20:57,211 --> 01:21:01,147 that if we had gone to the Republican convention, 1426 01:21:01,215 --> 01:21:03,877 we would have been in danger of our lives. 1427 01:21:33,548 --> 01:21:35,175 You know, he said, 1428 01:21:35,249 --> 01:21:39,845 "The only thing I ever really wanted to do in my life 1429 01:21:39,921 --> 01:21:43,687 was to play in a rock and roll band." 1430 01:21:43,758 --> 01:21:45,350 And then he said, 1431 01:21:45,426 --> 01:21:50,693 "I can't let them take that away from me." 1432 01:21:50,765 --> 01:21:54,861 The very core of his existence was threatened 1433 01:21:54,936 --> 01:21:59,703 by what they were trying to do to him. 1434 01:22:34,308 --> 01:22:38,404 It is now clear that Richard Nixon is the winner of this election. 1435 01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,242 That's what our trend now indicates, 1436 01:22:40,314 --> 01:22:44,114 the President reelected by a landslide. 1437 01:23:11,179 --> 01:23:13,613 The fact that McGovern lost, 1438 01:23:13,681 --> 01:23:16,479 the fact that Nixon was reelected again 1439 01:23:16,551 --> 01:23:18,109 and all that really upset us, 1440 01:23:18,186 --> 01:23:21,952 because in the big picture the United States... 1441 01:23:22,023 --> 01:23:24,116 the policy of the United States 1442 01:23:24,192 --> 01:23:25,625 would affect the whole world. 1443 01:23:25,693 --> 01:23:29,254 And from that big picture, we were very depressed. 1444 01:23:30,531 --> 01:23:32,123 Once Nixon is reelected, 1445 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,293 the FBI loses interest in Lennon, 1446 01:23:34,368 --> 01:23:37,201 says, "We're closing our file." 1447 01:23:37,271 --> 01:23:39,899 The immigration service, though, is a good bureaucracy. 1448 01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:42,801 When they're given a job, 1449 01:23:42,877 --> 01:23:43,969 they do their job. 1450 01:23:44,045 --> 01:23:45,979 And they kept doing their job. 1451 01:23:46,047 --> 01:23:48,481 They kept doing it to Lennon 1452 01:23:48,549 --> 01:23:51,109 for another year and a half, two years. 1453 01:23:51,185 --> 01:23:52,812 The situation is I'm still appealing. 1454 01:23:52,887 --> 01:23:54,650 Every now and then they'll say, 1455 01:23:54,722 --> 01:23:56,314 "You got 30 days to get out," 1456 01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:57,652 and then my lawyer will appeal 1457 01:23:57,725 --> 01:23:59,818 and we'll go up to another court or something like that. 1458 01:23:59,894 --> 01:24:01,156 It will just go on forever. 1459 01:24:01,229 --> 01:24:02,491 Terry Southern put it well. 1460 01:24:02,563 --> 01:24:04,997 He says it keeps the conservatives happy 1461 01:24:05,066 --> 01:24:08,502 that they're doing something about me and what I represent. 1462 01:24:08,569 --> 01:24:09,831 And it keeps the liberals happy 1463 01:24:09,904 --> 01:24:11,337 because I haven't actually been thrown out. 1464 01:24:11,405 --> 01:24:13,066 So everybody's happy. 1465 01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:15,506 The easy thing to do would have been 1466 01:24:15,576 --> 01:24:18,170 just slink away and go back to England, 1467 01:24:18,246 --> 01:24:20,840 but he chose to stand on his rights 1468 01:24:20,915 --> 01:24:23,247 and I'm glad that he did. 1469 01:24:23,317 --> 01:24:26,184 Lennon and his legal team went on the offensive 1470 01:24:26,254 --> 01:24:29,348 and filed a couple of very interesting lawsuits. 1471 01:24:29,423 --> 01:24:34,019 I sued the Attorney General, Mitchell, 1472 01:24:34,095 --> 01:24:35,528 and a whole slew of other people 1473 01:24:37,164 --> 01:24:39,860 who I claimed were involved in a conspiracy 1474 01:24:39,934 --> 01:24:44,530 to deny John and Yoko's case 1475 01:24:44,605 --> 01:24:47,267 and get them out of the United States improperly. 1476 01:24:47,341 --> 01:24:50,037 What do you think your chances are of remaining in this country? 1477 01:24:50,111 --> 01:24:53,046 - 99-1. - For or against? 1478 01:24:53,114 --> 01:24:54,877 - For. - Why is that? 1479 01:24:54,949 --> 01:24:56,883 Because I'm overconfident, as usual. 1480 01:24:56,951 --> 01:25:01,718 We ultimately were able to examine the records in the case. 1481 01:25:01,789 --> 01:25:05,384 And lo and behold, deep in John's immigration file, 1482 01:25:05,459 --> 01:25:08,553 which was a high security file, 1483 01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:14,067 were documents reaching all the way up to President Nixon 1484 01:25:14,135 --> 01:25:17,730 showing improper interference in an immigration case 1485 01:25:17,805 --> 01:25:19,295 and prejudgment. 1486 01:25:19,373 --> 01:25:22,740 Probably the most important documents in the Lennon FBI file 1487 01:25:22,810 --> 01:25:26,746 are reports addressed to the White House 1488 01:25:26,814 --> 01:25:28,247 signed by J. Edgar Hoover. 1489 01:25:28,316 --> 01:25:31,080 These were not sent directly to Richard Nixon. 1490 01:25:31,152 --> 01:25:33,086 They're addressed to H.R. Haldeman, 1491 01:25:33,154 --> 01:25:34,746 Assistant to the President. 1492 01:25:34,822 --> 01:25:39,088 Now, Haldeman was the most important person in the White House 1493 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:40,593 if you wanted to get to Nixon. 1494 01:25:40,661 --> 01:25:43,926 So when Hoover sends something to Haldeman saying, 1495 01:25:43,998 --> 01:25:45,761 "Here's our report on our progress 1496 01:25:45,833 --> 01:25:47,630 in trying to kick Lennon out of the country," 1497 01:25:47,702 --> 01:25:49,431 the reason that he's doing that 1498 01:25:49,503 --> 01:25:51,437 is that Nixon wants to know. 1499 01:25:51,505 --> 01:25:54,770 I would not say that it was integral to the politics 1500 01:25:54,842 --> 01:25:56,776 of the Nixon administration 1501 01:25:56,844 --> 01:26:01,281 to keep John Lennon from having residence in this country. 1502 01:26:01,349 --> 01:26:03,909 I think it was of a piece 1503 01:26:03,985 --> 01:26:08,217 with the general nastiness of the Nixon administration. 1504 01:26:23,904 --> 01:26:28,705 I had no prior knowledge of the Watergate break-in. 1505 01:26:28,776 --> 01:26:31,142 You had the President of the United States, Richard Nixon, 1506 01:26:31,212 --> 01:26:34,147 who was running a rogue presidency, 1507 01:26:34,215 --> 01:26:35,773 a criminal presidency. 1508 01:26:35,850 --> 01:26:39,650 We do know, from Mr. Nixon's long statement of May the 22nd 1509 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,312 that he did approve much earlier 1510 01:26:41,389 --> 01:26:44,153 a program of wiretapping and even burglary 1511 01:26:44,225 --> 01:26:45,658 in national security matters. 1512 01:26:45,726 --> 01:26:48,320 Did other presidents break the law, 1513 01:26:48,396 --> 01:26:50,159 bend the law occasionally? 1514 01:26:50,231 --> 01:26:51,664 I'm sure they did. 1515 01:26:51,732 --> 01:26:53,825 Was there wholesale criminality 1516 01:26:53,901 --> 01:26:55,528 in any other presidency in our history? 1517 01:26:55,603 --> 01:26:56,535 No. 1518 01:26:56,604 --> 01:26:57,832 For God sakes, 1519 01:26:57,905 --> 01:26:59,497 they committed a burglary, and then they destroyed 1520 01:26:59,573 --> 01:27:02,167 the government of the United States, covering it up. 1521 01:27:02,243 --> 01:27:07,340 That is the context in which you have to determine and judge 1522 01:27:07,415 --> 01:27:10,646 and value what they did to John Lennon. 1523 01:27:10,718 --> 01:27:14,518 The case against John Lennon by the FBI 1524 01:27:14,588 --> 01:27:17,853 and the lmmigration and Naturalization Service 1525 01:27:17,925 --> 01:27:20,359 and by President Nixon and all his people 1526 01:27:20,428 --> 01:27:23,363 was that John Lennon was disloyal 1527 01:27:23,431 --> 01:27:25,023 to the United States of America 1528 01:27:25,099 --> 01:27:26,225 and what it stood for. 1529 01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:30,202 The real disloyalty was Nixon's, 1530 01:27:30,271 --> 01:27:32,705 Hoover's, the INS, 1531 01:27:32,773 --> 01:27:35,037 and all the people who were implicated 1532 01:27:35,109 --> 01:27:38,374 in the FBI and the INS and wherever else, 1533 01:27:38,446 --> 01:27:42,041 because their perversion, 1534 01:27:42,116 --> 01:27:45,381 distortion of the Constitution, 1535 01:27:45,453 --> 01:27:47,717 their violation of the basic principles, 1536 01:27:47,788 --> 01:27:50,416 that was the greatest disloyalty to this country. 1537 01:27:50,491 --> 01:27:54,552 Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency 1538 01:27:54,628 --> 01:27:57,722 effective at noon tomorrow. 1539 01:27:57,798 --> 01:28:02,064 Vice President Ford will be sworn in as President 1540 01:28:02,136 --> 01:28:04,570 at that hour in this office. 1541 01:28:28,996 --> 01:28:32,261 Lennon was somebody who was a born enemy 1542 01:28:32,333 --> 01:28:34,767 of those who governed the United States. 1543 01:28:34,835 --> 01:28:36,928 He was everything they hated. 1544 01:28:37,004 --> 01:28:41,441 So I just say that he represented life, and is admirable. 1545 01:28:41,509 --> 01:28:42,999 And Mr. Nixon... 1546 01:28:44,678 --> 01:28:47,943 and Mr. Bush represent death, 1547 01:28:48,015 --> 01:28:49,915 and that is a bad thing. 1548 01:28:53,354 --> 01:28:55,117 I have to tell you one little story 1549 01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:59,785 about the end of the case. 1550 01:28:59,860 --> 01:29:02,294 I got a call from someone in the Court of Appeals, 1551 01:29:02,363 --> 01:29:05,298 and he said, "Look, the decision just came in. 1552 01:29:05,366 --> 01:29:08,802 You won your Lennon case." 1553 01:29:08,869 --> 01:29:11,133 And I called John, and he said, 1554 01:29:11,205 --> 01:29:12,638 "Wait, what do you mean we won? 1555 01:29:12,706 --> 01:29:14,640 You told us that it was a loser." 1556 01:29:14,708 --> 01:29:18,303 I said, "Yes, because I didn't want to build up your hopes too much." 1557 01:29:18,379 --> 01:29:21,974 And he said, "Leon, I'm just going over to New York Hospital 1558 01:29:22,049 --> 01:29:25,143 "because Yoko is giving birth any minute. 1559 01:29:25,219 --> 01:29:26,652 I'll call you from there." 1560 01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,315 At about 5:30... I was bleary when he called. 1561 01:29:30,391 --> 01:29:33,485 And he said, "This is John." 1562 01:29:33,561 --> 01:29:35,654 I said, "John who?" 1563 01:29:35,729 --> 01:29:41,497 And he said, "John Lennon, and I have a beautiful boy." 1564 01:29:41,569 --> 01:29:45,335 That day was his birthday, his new son's birthday, 1565 01:29:45,406 --> 01:29:48,170 and he won his case. 1566 01:29:48,242 --> 01:29:51,336 I remember John's face. 1567 01:29:51,412 --> 01:29:54,677 I remember how he was when we got that news 1568 01:29:54,748 --> 01:29:56,181 and when it was his birthday 1569 01:29:56,250 --> 01:29:58,184 and when he got the baby as well, 1570 01:29:58,252 --> 01:30:00,015 and it was incredible. 1571 01:30:00,087 --> 01:30:01,679 I've never seen him like that. 1572 01:30:01,755 --> 01:30:06,021 He was like a little boy looking so happy. 1573 01:30:07,094 --> 01:30:09,028 - Hi. - Hi. 1574 01:30:09,096 --> 01:30:10,529 - I need... - Okay. 1575 01:30:10,598 --> 01:30:13,192 John Lennon was finally presented with his green alien card, 1576 01:30:13,267 --> 01:30:14,529 which is actually blue, 1577 01:30:14,602 --> 01:30:16,365 in the offices of the Assistant Director, 1578 01:30:16,437 --> 01:30:18,371 and he talked to the press. 1579 01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,270 And this was what it was all about. 1580 01:30:20,341 --> 01:30:23,037 Finally, after four and a half long years of struggle, 1581 01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:25,874 John Lennon got his card, a green card, 1582 01:30:25,946 --> 01:30:30,883 saying that he is now a permanent resident of the United States. 1583 01:30:30,951 --> 01:30:33,647 Right on, brother. 1584 01:30:33,721 --> 01:30:35,018 To come out in court 1585 01:30:35,089 --> 01:30:37,057 on the steps of the federal courthouse, 1586 01:30:37,124 --> 01:30:38,716 and there he is, and my goodness, 1587 01:30:38,792 --> 01:30:41,420 he has defeated John Mitchell and the forces of evil, 1588 01:30:41,495 --> 01:30:43,395 and he's gonna be able to stay in the country. 1589 01:30:43,464 --> 01:30:44,556 I take this opportunity 1590 01:30:44,632 --> 01:30:46,566 to thank all the kids and the fans 1591 01:30:46,634 --> 01:30:47,999 who wrote to all their senators 1592 01:30:48,068 --> 01:30:50,400 and their petitions and all the rest of it, 1593 01:30:50,471 --> 01:30:52,905 that were working behind the scenes for five years 1594 01:30:52,973 --> 01:30:55,567 with no pay or no nothing, actually. 1595 01:30:55,643 --> 01:30:56,940 Just a smile. 1596 01:30:57,011 --> 01:30:58,376 - What? - Do you bear any grudge 1597 01:30:58,445 --> 01:31:00,208 against the Strom Thurmonds and the John Mitchells 1598 01:31:00,281 --> 01:31:02,078 for putting you through this all these years? 1599 01:31:02,149 --> 01:31:03,810 No, I believe time wounds all heels. 1600 01:31:17,665 --> 01:31:20,600 John was so proud of Sean, 1601 01:31:20,668 --> 01:31:24,934 and there was such an incredible 1602 01:31:25,005 --> 01:31:29,101 warm and close relationship between them. 1603 01:31:31,512 --> 01:31:35,710 And it was a beautiful time. 1604 01:31:44,358 --> 01:31:48,454 I see that you're having your diaper changed. 1605 01:31:49,530 --> 01:31:52,465 Is this an enjoyable experience? 1606 01:31:52,533 --> 01:31:55,468 Because I do believe some people pay to have this done. 1607 01:31:56,704 --> 01:31:58,638 Exactly. 1608 01:31:58,706 --> 01:32:01,470 And where did you get that outfit from, may I ask? 1609 01:32:04,211 --> 01:32:05,974 I agree entirely. Yes. 1610 01:32:07,715 --> 01:32:10,912 It is exciting, isn't it? 1611 01:32:19,727 --> 01:32:22,821 John, Sean, and I started to have 1612 01:32:22,896 --> 01:32:28,994 such a fantastically sweet and wonderful life together. 1613 01:32:29,069 --> 01:32:31,503 There was that feeling of closeness 1614 01:32:31,572 --> 01:32:33,665 between all three of us, 1615 01:32:33,741 --> 01:32:38,007 and almost a kind of urgency about it, 1616 01:32:38,078 --> 01:32:42,674 that every day we wanted to really spend together kind of thing. 1617 01:32:42,750 --> 01:32:43,842 And we did. 1618 01:33:12,946 --> 01:33:14,379 From Washington, 1619 01:33:14,448 --> 01:33:18,145 this is the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite. 1620 01:33:18,218 --> 01:33:20,209 Good evening. 1621 01:33:20,287 --> 01:33:23,051 The death of a man who sang and played the guitar 1622 01:33:23,123 --> 01:33:26,718 overshadows the news from Poland, Iran, and Washington tonight. 1623 01:33:26,794 --> 01:33:29,058 Former Beatle John Lennon, who was 40, 1624 01:33:29,129 --> 01:33:30,562 was shot and killed last night 1625 01:33:30,631 --> 01:33:32,724 outside his luxury apartment in New York. 1626 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,394 The alleged killer is an unemployed security guard 1627 01:33:35,469 --> 01:33:37,733 and printer who had lived in Hawaii. 1628 01:33:37,805 --> 01:33:40,069 News of Lennon's death touched off a wave 1629 01:33:40,140 --> 01:33:42,199 of shock and mourning around the world. 1630 01:33:56,256 --> 01:34:02,092 I think the vigil was a very good thing that we did. 1631 01:34:05,165 --> 01:34:11,934 It was all of us around the world... 1632 01:34:12,005 --> 01:34:14,940 came together in a way. 1633 01:34:15,008 --> 01:34:18,444 So we made a ring around the world together. 1634 01:34:18,512 --> 01:34:20,343 It was a very strong ring. 1635 01:34:47,174 --> 01:34:50,632 Well, I suppose they tried to kill John... 1636 01:34:53,881 --> 01:34:59,547 but they couldn't, because his message is still alive. 1637 01:35:21,608 --> 01:35:23,508 Everybody now. Come on! 1638 01:35:26,914 --> 01:35:29,007 We can get it tomorrow or today! 1639 01:35:32,252 --> 01:35:34,846 Loud! Say it loud! 1640 01:35:44,598 --> 01:35:46,361 Yes, again! 1641 01:35:55,776 --> 01:35:57,209 Okay, beautiful. 1642 01:35:57,277 --> 01:35:58,539 Yeah! 1643 01:36:08,956 --> 01:36:11,891 Subtitled By J.R. Media Services, Inc. Burbank, CA 129673

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