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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:01,338 --> 00:01:02,568 - still... 2 00:01:02,570 --> 00:01:03,734 We are at war. 3 00:01:05,251 --> 00:01:08,222 I'm responsible for the deployment of thousands 4 00:01:08,223 --> 00:01:12,730 Of young americans, to battle in a distant land. 5 00:01:12,731 --> 00:01:14,434 And some will kill. 6 00:01:14,435 --> 00:01:16,895 And some will be killed. 7 00:01:16,896 --> 00:01:19,451 And so I come here with an acute sense 8 00:01:19,453 --> 00:01:22,168 Of the costs of armed conflict. 9 00:01:23,207 --> 00:01:24,475 Filled with difficult questions about 10 00:01:24,476 --> 00:01:27,091 The relationship between war and peace, 11 00:01:27,092 --> 00:01:31,158 And our effort to replace one with the other. 12 00:01:31,161 --> 00:01:33,306 - okay crib we copy that. 13 00:01:33,307 --> 00:01:35,926 We've got tv pictures again. 14 00:01:35,927 --> 00:01:39,455 - hefty, black control systems. 15 00:02:54,511 --> 00:02:56,716 - they were five months into world war I, 16 00:02:56,721 --> 00:02:58,835 Both sides were in trenches. 17 00:02:58,836 --> 00:03:01,607 They were just mass slaughter across the landscape. 18 00:03:01,613 --> 00:03:03,446 Men were standing up sleeping. 19 00:03:03,447 --> 00:03:05,336 They were in their own feces, and their 20 00:03:05,338 --> 00:03:07,731 Dead comrades were sitting there in no man's land. 21 00:03:07,736 --> 00:03:09,212 They couldn't even get them and 22 00:03:09,219 --> 00:03:11,806 Bring them back for burial. 23 00:03:11,807 --> 00:03:13,955 It was christmas eve and the german high command 24 00:03:13,956 --> 00:03:15,873 Had sent little christmas trees. 25 00:03:15,878 --> 00:03:17,522 It was like a stage set, all of a sudden 26 00:03:17,523 --> 00:03:18,806 Across the german front, you saw 27 00:03:18,814 --> 00:03:20,639 These little christmas trees lighting up, 28 00:03:20,644 --> 00:03:23,326 And then the allies heard silent night 29 00:03:23,327 --> 00:03:25,314 Being sung by the germans. 30 00:03:25,316 --> 00:03:27,397 And they started applauding. 31 00:03:29,292 --> 00:03:30,872 And then all of a sudden a couple of guys 32 00:03:30,873 --> 00:03:32,980 On both sides get out of the trenches 33 00:03:32,985 --> 00:03:35,473 And start walking toward each other. 34 00:03:35,478 --> 00:03:37,020 - And expecting any moment to fall flat 35 00:03:37,023 --> 00:03:39,256 Through the machine guns opening up. 36 00:03:39,265 --> 00:03:40,778 And nothing happened. 37 00:03:41,851 --> 00:03:44,376 And within two hours we were walking about, 38 00:03:44,377 --> 00:03:45,853 And laughing and talking and there 39 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:48,131 Was nothing from the german lines. 40 00:03:48,133 --> 00:03:49,798 - hundreds get out of the trenches. 41 00:03:49,805 --> 00:03:52,227 Then thousands get out of the trenches, 42 00:03:52,235 --> 00:03:56,020 And they embraced each other, 100,000 men. 43 00:03:56,023 --> 00:03:58,738 - All no man's land as far as we could see. 44 00:03:58,739 --> 00:04:00,346 It was grey and cocky. 45 00:04:00,347 --> 00:04:02,362 The early were smoking and talking. 46 00:04:02,366 --> 00:04:05,015 Shaking hands, exchanging names and 47 00:04:05,017 --> 00:04:07,912 Addresses for after the war, to write to one another. 48 00:04:22,469 --> 00:04:24,967 - everybody back in your trenches, you know. 49 00:04:24,968 --> 00:04:28,500 And shouting, the generals behind must have seen it, 50 00:04:28,501 --> 00:04:30,040 And got a bit suspicious. 51 00:04:30,044 --> 00:04:32,409 So what they did, they gave orders 52 00:04:32,411 --> 00:04:35,502 For a battery of guns behind us to fire. 53 00:04:35,503 --> 00:04:39,985 And officers fired their revolvers at the gerry's, you know. 54 00:04:39,986 --> 00:04:42,285 Course that started the war again. 55 00:04:42,289 --> 00:04:45,184 Woah we were crushing 'em to hell. 56 00:04:48,917 --> 00:04:53,208 - this was a war to end all wars. 57 00:04:53,209 --> 00:04:57,211 This was the war to make the world safe for democracy. 58 00:04:58,541 --> 00:05:02,741 At least 21,000 new millionaires were made in the u.S. 59 00:05:03,811 --> 00:05:07,501 Billions and billions of dollars would be piled up by a few. 60 00:05:08,955 --> 00:05:12,550 Munition makers, ship builders, meat packers. 61 00:05:14,194 --> 00:05:15,963 And let us not forget the bankers, 62 00:05:15,964 --> 00:05:19,907 Who financed the great war, who turned blood into gold. 63 00:05:22,525 --> 00:05:26,754 And their profits were as secret as they were immense. 64 00:05:26,756 --> 00:05:30,379 All of them are looking ahead to war. 65 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:42,373 - I stand before you tonight 66 00:05:42,379 --> 00:05:45,444 In my red star chiffon evening gown... 67 00:05:54,971 --> 00:05:58,982 My face softly made up, and my fair hair gently waved. 68 00:06:03,649 --> 00:06:06,610 The iron lady of the western world. 69 00:06:08,415 --> 00:06:10,051 - the al-yamamah deal was this 70 00:06:10,056 --> 00:06:12,137 Extraordinary deal between the united kingdom 71 00:06:12,139 --> 00:06:15,487 And saudi arabia, in which ronald regean wanted to 72 00:06:15,488 --> 00:06:17,783 Sell the saudis billions and billions 73 00:06:17,788 --> 00:06:20,470 Dollars worth of equipment. 74 00:06:20,471 --> 00:06:22,429 But the israeli lobby stopped it. 75 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:24,035 And congress wouldn't approve it, 76 00:06:24,036 --> 00:06:27,223 Because they feared arming saudi would threaten israel. 77 00:06:27,224 --> 00:06:30,280 So ronald reagan handed the deal over, effectively, 78 00:06:30,286 --> 00:06:32,877 To his political soul mate, margaret thatcher. 79 00:06:32,878 --> 00:06:34,577 - You ain't seen nothing yet. 80 00:06:36,345 --> 00:06:38,360 - You are a very tough act to follow. 81 00:06:49,914 --> 00:06:52,752 - When we stumbled on the saudi arms deal, 82 00:06:52,756 --> 00:06:55,622 The al-yamamah arms deal, we really started 83 00:06:55,628 --> 00:06:59,446 To stumble on a central feature of british politics, 84 00:06:59,447 --> 00:07:01,178 Over the last 30 years. 85 00:07:01,183 --> 00:07:03,425 - His royal highness, prince bandar, 86 00:07:03,426 --> 00:07:05,950 Has been at the heart of many of the great world 87 00:07:05,951 --> 00:07:08,030 Events of the past 30 years. 88 00:07:09,767 --> 00:07:13,201 I was always pleased to see him when I was prime minister, 89 00:07:13,207 --> 00:07:14,778 Because he brought me extraordinary 90 00:07:14,785 --> 00:07:17,245 Insights and bold proposals. 91 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,248 - she informed us, she considered 92 00:07:24,252 --> 00:07:26,712 Saudi arabia as a strong friend, and would 93 00:07:26,714 --> 00:07:28,358 Be willing to support the kingdom 94 00:07:28,359 --> 00:07:29,774 With whatever the kingdom needs. 95 00:07:29,775 --> 00:07:31,345 End of discussion, from there on everything 96 00:07:31,353 --> 00:07:33,434 Else was technical. 97 00:07:33,436 --> 00:07:35,007 - He explained to mrs. Thatcher that 98 00:07:35,014 --> 00:07:36,906 This was a deal with saudi arabia, 99 00:07:36,908 --> 00:07:40,248 And therefore things would end differently. 100 00:07:41,989 --> 00:07:46,085 They wanted 43 billion pounds worth of weaponry. 101 00:07:46,092 --> 00:07:49,592 That was 6 billion pounds in commissions. 102 00:07:51,583 --> 00:07:56,124 The vast majority, or what most people understand as bribes. 103 00:07:58,022 --> 00:08:00,917 - We will continue to work together against the terrorists, 104 00:08:00,926 --> 00:08:04,710 Who threaten the way of life of our citizens. 105 00:08:07,301 --> 00:08:11,302 Was a man called eddy cunningham, actually. 106 00:08:11,309 --> 00:08:14,809 He said, "I've been working for a travel company, 107 00:08:14,812 --> 00:08:17,707 "and we had a kind of slush fund, we use 108 00:08:17,716 --> 00:08:20,116 "to distribute to saudis and other arabs 109 00:08:20,117 --> 00:08:22,507 "when they came to britain, for bae, 110 00:08:22,513 --> 00:08:25,445 "all to help the path of arms deals along." 111 00:08:29,266 --> 00:08:33,210 When saudi military officers would come along, 112 00:08:33,211 --> 00:08:36,021 He would present them with canteens of cutlery, 113 00:08:36,022 --> 00:08:37,948 That was something that they liked. 114 00:08:37,949 --> 00:08:40,055 Another thing they liked was girls, 115 00:08:40,060 --> 00:08:42,084 So he would take them out on the town, 116 00:08:42,085 --> 00:08:43,621 And get them girls. 117 00:08:44,886 --> 00:08:47,563 - To be honest, it seemed like quite small beer. 118 00:08:47,570 --> 00:08:49,017 Payments made, some of them for 119 00:08:49,021 --> 00:08:51,159 Rather un-islamic activities. 120 00:08:52,239 --> 00:08:55,578 Gaming chips, there were talks about call girls, 121 00:08:55,585 --> 00:08:59,719 - There's only two things that count in business my friend. 122 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:00,845 Money and sex. 123 00:09:00,856 --> 00:09:04,101 The rest, you can write as much as you like, 124 00:09:04,106 --> 00:09:06,220 Is absolute garbage. 125 00:09:06,221 --> 00:09:10,222 You can make a weapon beautiful, depends on your secretary. 126 00:09:11,995 --> 00:09:13,982 Because, they are more distracted 127 00:09:13,985 --> 00:09:15,593 Looking at your secretary's ass 128 00:09:15,594 --> 00:09:18,366 Than thinking what the hell you're talking about. 129 00:09:18,371 --> 00:09:22,061 And that is, sometimes, all the edge you need. 130 00:09:26,260 --> 00:09:29,694 I had to use an escort agency called blue orchids, 131 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:31,592 Because of the special taste of 132 00:09:31,594 --> 00:09:33,107 The chief of staff of the army, 133 00:09:33,108 --> 00:09:36,637 Who liked blondes with silicone tits. 134 00:09:36,644 --> 00:09:38,592 We had their secretary of the embassy 135 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,555 Come and review the photos. 136 00:09:40,556 --> 00:09:42,231 And he said, "I want this one, I want this one, 137 00:09:42,232 --> 00:09:44,310 "I want this one, I want this one." 138 00:09:44,312 --> 00:09:46,931 I had the girls I arrived with one day before. 139 00:09:46,932 --> 00:09:48,757 And I said, girls, I know you've all been paid 140 00:09:48,762 --> 00:09:50,900 Handsomely for this but, do me a favor, 141 00:09:50,908 --> 00:09:52,930 If you get any pillow talk that is relevant 142 00:09:52,931 --> 00:09:55,605 Please bring it across because I could use it. 143 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:57,692 And for each, interesting information, 144 00:09:57,694 --> 00:10:00,210 I will give another 3,000 year bonus. 145 00:10:00,218 --> 00:10:03,179 So with 60 grand, I signed a contract worth three million. 146 00:10:03,185 --> 00:10:04,983 So it wasn't bad deal. 147 00:10:05,739 --> 00:10:07,603 - And then my phone rang again, 148 00:10:07,604 --> 00:10:10,535 And it was another whistle blower and he said, 149 00:10:10,538 --> 00:10:14,549 "you have no idea what it is that you're getting into here." 150 00:10:16,185 --> 00:10:17,983 And he said, "this slush fund is much, much 151 00:10:17,985 --> 00:10:22,999 Our job was to look after the really high level people. 152 00:10:23,003 --> 00:10:24,734 Those who used to come to England, 153 00:10:24,739 --> 00:10:27,634 Who were being bribed, essentially, by bae, 154 00:10:27,643 --> 00:10:28,995 Were people of the level of the head of 155 00:10:28,999 --> 00:10:33,190 The saudi air force, who was a royal prince. 156 00:10:33,197 --> 00:10:34,956 We would fly them to los angeles, 157 00:10:34,964 --> 00:10:37,300 And they would buy cars and dresses, 158 00:10:37,301 --> 00:10:39,795 And it wasn't shopping like you and I would think. 159 00:10:39,796 --> 00:10:41,930 In the end, when they gathered together all 160 00:10:41,938 --> 00:10:44,899 Their shopping, we would charter an entire jumbo jet 161 00:10:44,905 --> 00:10:48,249 To fly it all back to saudi arabia. 162 00:10:48,250 --> 00:10:50,738 - It was an attempt to try and trace through 163 00:10:50,742 --> 00:10:54,119 The bank accounts who the ultimate beneficiaries are 164 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,052 That the case became really very serious, 165 00:10:57,055 --> 00:10:58,976 As the trail appeared to lead towards 166 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:02,074 Senior members of the saudi royal family. 167 00:11:03,776 --> 00:11:07,595 - the most outrageous example was that bae, 168 00:11:07,596 --> 00:11:11,219 In order to smooth the way with prince bandar, 169 00:11:11,226 --> 00:11:13,997 At one point made him a president of a huge 170 00:11:14,003 --> 00:11:16,718 Commercial airliner, all of his very own. 171 00:11:16,719 --> 00:11:18,827 Which he promptly had painted in the grey 172 00:11:18,832 --> 00:11:21,007 And silver colors of the dallas cowboys, 173 00:11:21,009 --> 00:11:23,526 Who were his favorite american team. 174 00:11:23,534 --> 00:11:26,429 And he used to fly around in that, quite cheerfully. 175 00:11:29,404 --> 00:11:32,117 - The case centered on establishing the 176 00:11:32,118 --> 00:11:35,902 Ultimate beneficiaries of exceptionally 177 00:11:35,906 --> 00:11:39,757 Large amounts of money paid by british aerospace 178 00:11:40,576 --> 00:11:42,591 For consultancy services. 179 00:11:45,246 --> 00:11:46,627 - there's evidence that mark thatcher, 180 00:11:46,636 --> 00:11:49,815 Mrs. Thatcher's son, got 12 million in cash 181 00:11:49,824 --> 00:11:51,905 For his work as a fixer. 182 00:12:02,133 --> 00:12:04,403 - This is a fire nine mill. 183 00:12:05,194 --> 00:12:07,245 It's okay, it's not loaded. 184 00:12:07,246 --> 00:12:08,854 Don't worry. 185 00:12:08,855 --> 00:12:11,192 It's a very beautiful weapon, it's austrian made. 186 00:12:11,193 --> 00:12:12,799 If you want to sell on the market, 187 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,016 And you're looking probably at about 3,500 euros. 188 00:12:16,019 --> 00:12:17,628 - and why do you keep it in the house? 189 00:12:17,628 --> 00:12:20,050 - because I'm a soldier. 190 00:12:20,059 --> 00:12:22,518 - and you can do that legally? 191 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,115 - Yes and no, but yeah, more or less you can. 192 00:12:26,118 --> 00:12:28,672 As long as it's in the house. 193 00:12:29,809 --> 00:12:32,650 And you don't shoot the cat of the neighbor. 194 00:12:32,651 --> 00:12:34,572 I got nothing against money, I don't mind paying 195 00:12:34,576 --> 00:12:37,509 Bribes to politicians, it's part of the deal. 196 00:12:37,512 --> 00:12:39,300 The thing about politicians is that 197 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:41,041 They're very much like prostitutes, 198 00:12:41,046 --> 00:12:43,004 But only more expensive. 199 00:12:45,147 --> 00:12:48,808 The politics is dictated by the whims of the arms industry. 200 00:12:48,809 --> 00:12:52,432 Politicians are nothing more than sales reps my dear friend. 201 00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:54,178 They have as much power as a middle 202 00:12:54,179 --> 00:12:56,568 Ranking executive in lockheed martin. 203 00:12:56,573 --> 00:13:00,234 At the end of the day they do what they're told. 204 00:13:04,904 --> 00:13:06,985 - when an executive goes to bribe 205 00:13:06,988 --> 00:13:09,389 A foreign official, he says to himself, 206 00:13:09,390 --> 00:13:11,590 Look I've taken a lot of risk to take this 207 00:13:11,595 --> 00:13:12,825 Five million dollars, that I'm 208 00:13:12,826 --> 00:13:16,297 Paying to the prime minister of xyz. 209 00:13:16,298 --> 00:13:20,179 He makes an arrangement with prime minister of xyz. 210 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:22,704 I'll hand over the five million, 211 00:13:22,705 --> 00:13:24,436 But you take half of that five million, 212 00:13:24,441 --> 00:13:25,794 And you send it to the following 213 00:13:25,798 --> 00:13:27,718 Bank account in switzerland. 214 00:13:27,723 --> 00:13:29,804 We'll share in this largess. 215 00:13:31,383 --> 00:13:33,559 The first time an executive does that, 216 00:13:33,562 --> 00:13:36,338 And he collects 2.5 million dollars, 217 00:13:36,339 --> 00:13:39,678 He says, "wow, this is a good business to be in." 218 00:13:39,684 --> 00:13:41,917 And within moments of that realization, 219 00:13:41,925 --> 00:13:45,491 He is now no longer in the business of selling airplanes, 220 00:13:45,492 --> 00:13:47,573 He's in the business of selling bribes. 221 00:13:47,575 --> 00:13:49,117 And he's now scouring the world 222 00:13:49,121 --> 00:13:51,363 For somebody to find to bribe. 223 00:13:59,218 --> 00:14:00,702 # regrets 224 00:14:00,703 --> 00:14:03,574 # and I've had a few 225 00:14:03,575 --> 00:14:06,158 # but then again 226 00:14:06,163 --> 00:14:09,380 # too few to mention 227 00:14:09,383 --> 00:14:11,237 # I did 228 00:14:11,244 --> 00:14:14,082 # what I had to do 229 00:14:14,085 --> 00:14:17,177 # and saw it through 230 00:14:17,178 --> 00:14:20,517 # without exemption 231 00:14:20,523 --> 00:14:22,447 # I planned 232 00:14:22,448 --> 00:14:25,161 # each chartered course 233 00:14:25,162 --> 00:14:28,000 # each careful step 234 00:14:28,003 --> 00:14:31,158 # along the by-way 235 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,146 # and more 236 00:14:33,147 --> 00:14:35,796 # much more than this 237 00:14:35,798 --> 00:14:38,286 # I did it 238 00:14:38,291 --> 00:14:41,470 # my way 239 00:14:41,479 --> 00:14:43,494 - And then the phone rang again. 240 00:14:43,499 --> 00:14:45,892 And this was somebody who said, "you have 241 00:14:45,897 --> 00:14:48,196 "no idea what you're getting into." 242 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,793 He said, "this whole bae thing is much, 243 00:14:50,794 --> 00:14:53,750 "much bigger, goes right to the very top." 244 00:14:53,755 --> 00:14:55,494 What he had was something that you 245 00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:57,223 Never see as a journalist. 246 00:14:57,227 --> 00:15:01,171 Swiss bank records of international covert payments, 247 00:15:01,172 --> 00:15:02,686 Going all over the world. 248 00:15:02,687 --> 00:15:05,936 He showed me how bae had set up a whole system 249 00:15:05,937 --> 00:15:08,142 With lloyds bank, under which they channeled 250 00:15:08,146 --> 00:15:11,420 Secret payments into the british virgin islands 251 00:15:11,429 --> 00:15:14,295 Offshore company called red diamond. 252 00:15:14,301 --> 00:15:16,600 And from red diamond the money went into 253 00:15:16,605 --> 00:15:18,648 This guy's swiss bank account, and he 254 00:15:18,656 --> 00:15:22,221 Then used it to distribute to the local politicians, 255 00:15:22,222 --> 00:15:24,370 Taking a big chunk for himself of course. 256 00:15:24,371 --> 00:15:26,704 - I mean I can certainly assure you, 257 00:15:26,705 --> 00:15:28,879 I mean that we, and I believe most companies 258 00:15:28,881 --> 00:15:31,312 Are not in the business of making payments 259 00:15:31,313 --> 00:15:33,620 Passing, as you suggest, large sums of money 260 00:15:33,621 --> 00:15:39,007 I mean it is just not the way me business is done. 261 00:15:40,809 --> 00:15:42,134 - We were actually able to publish 262 00:15:42,136 --> 00:15:45,040 What was our most dangerous story, that prince bandar 263 00:15:45,041 --> 00:15:47,468 Had been given not just a plane, 264 00:15:47,469 --> 00:15:50,970 But over the years, a total of one billion pounds. 265 00:15:50,973 --> 00:15:52,543 - We did not invent 266 00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:55,515 Corruption. 267 00:15:55,517 --> 00:15:57,189 I mean adam and eve were in heaven, 268 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:58,382 And they had hanky-panky and they had to 269 00:15:58,388 --> 00:15:59,845 Go down to earth, so... 270 00:15:59,846 --> 00:16:01,826 And this is human nature. 271 00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:04,505 - I salute a prince, a statesman, 272 00:16:05,709 --> 00:16:07,762 And a friend. 273 00:16:09,558 --> 00:16:11,483 - What is greed? 274 00:16:11,484 --> 00:16:12,581 Of course none of us are greedy, 275 00:16:12,588 --> 00:16:14,196 It's only the other fella who's greedy. 276 00:16:15,933 --> 00:16:16,813 This... 277 00:16:16,817 --> 00:16:18,993 The world runs on individual's 278 00:16:18,995 --> 00:16:21,738 Pursuing their separate interests. 279 00:16:22,748 --> 00:16:24,866 - All those people who believe that greed, 280 00:16:24,867 --> 00:16:26,596 Violence, et cetera, these primal, 281 00:16:26,601 --> 00:16:30,347 So called primal instincts, are the real instincts, 282 00:16:30,356 --> 00:16:32,466 And everything else is a social construction, 283 00:16:32,471 --> 00:16:34,331 They've lost their mind. 284 00:16:34,332 --> 00:16:37,076 And for the last 50 years, at least, 285 00:16:37,078 --> 00:16:40,171 Policy has been made based on the assumption of greed. 286 00:16:40,172 --> 00:16:41,778 And it's ruined the world. 287 00:16:41,779 --> 00:16:42,631 - Alright. 288 00:16:43,481 --> 00:16:45,279 - Mr. Reagan, if you would. 289 00:16:45,281 --> 00:16:49,382 - Patronites believe there is no nature of society, 290 00:16:49,383 --> 00:16:51,626 So we have to nurture individualism. 291 00:16:51,627 --> 00:16:53,138 I don't accept that at all. 292 00:16:53,139 --> 00:16:55,788 I think there are very many, good public 293 00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:58,912 Policy initiatives for creating society. 294 00:17:00,429 --> 00:17:01,432 Welcome to beirut. 295 00:17:01,439 --> 00:17:02,668 They are saying hello to you. 296 00:17:03,963 --> 00:17:06,452 There's a combination ak-47 kalashnikov. 297 00:17:08,634 --> 00:17:10,394 A society that decides that the bulk 298 00:17:10,401 --> 00:17:13,958 Of it's budget is going to go to arms manufacturing, 299 00:17:13,968 --> 00:17:15,633 Building up a military, et cetera, 300 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,759 They have made a moral decision. 301 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,403 That militarism is more important 302 00:17:20,405 --> 00:17:24,161 Than the creation of well-being for the population. 303 00:17:28,358 --> 00:17:30,156 It's not the world I want to live in. 304 00:17:30,157 --> 00:17:31,954 I want to live in the real world. 305 00:17:31,955 --> 00:17:34,481 And the real world is people by real emotions. 306 00:17:34,482 --> 00:17:36,720 Including love and generosity. 307 00:17:36,721 --> 00:17:39,493 - My god, if you want, is freedom. 308 00:17:39,499 --> 00:17:41,710 The freedom of human beings, of individuals, 309 00:17:41,711 --> 00:17:43,379 To pursue their own values. 310 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:44,383 - I think what the term freedom 311 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:47,008 Means is economic license. 312 00:17:47,009 --> 00:17:48,967 And it's the economic license of those 313 00:17:48,968 --> 00:17:51,709 Who control property, and those who control capital, 314 00:17:51,711 --> 00:17:54,775 Has in fact been a threat, not only to equality, 315 00:17:54,776 --> 00:17:56,541 But a threat to the freedom of peoples 316 00:17:56,542 --> 00:17:58,526 All over the world, and not only in europe 317 00:17:58,528 --> 00:18:00,420 And the united states, but in africa, 318 00:18:00,422 --> 00:18:03,293 In asia, and in latin america. 319 00:18:03,294 --> 00:18:04,931 - I want you to name me any society 320 00:18:04,935 --> 00:18:07,111 In which you've had any large measure of that freedom. 321 00:18:07,113 --> 00:18:08,570 Where capitalism and free enterprise 322 00:18:08,571 --> 00:18:10,901 Has not been the predominate mechanism. 323 00:18:10,902 --> 00:18:12,130 - The free enterprise system 324 00:18:12,131 --> 00:18:13,985 Has spread through the force of arms, 325 00:18:13,992 --> 00:18:16,197 And those arms were wielded by governments. 326 00:18:16,201 --> 00:18:17,687 That was government intervention, 327 00:18:17,688 --> 00:18:20,144 Under the name of the free enterprise system, 328 00:18:20,146 --> 00:18:21,537 But a government intervention which destroyed 329 00:18:21,538 --> 00:18:23,172 The freedoms of many people. 330 00:18:23,176 --> 00:18:26,175 Not least of which are the people of chile. 331 00:18:42,965 --> 00:18:46,029 - From the 1950's, all the way through the 1970's, 332 00:18:46,030 --> 00:18:48,609 The cia and the u.S. Military were engaged 333 00:18:48,615 --> 00:18:51,490 In covert actions throughout central and latin america. 334 00:18:51,491 --> 00:18:53,445 Throughout africa, really throughout the world. 335 00:18:53,446 --> 00:18:56,348 Where they were assassinating populist leaders, 336 00:18:56,349 --> 00:18:58,835 They were backing up right-wing military juntas, 337 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:00,826 Funding and arming death squads, like the 338 00:19:00,828 --> 00:19:05,119 Contras in nicaragua, or battalion 316 in honduras. 339 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:06,984 And there were these spate of assassinations 340 00:19:06,985 --> 00:19:08,590 Across the globe. 341 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,197 - In countries like mine, people have 342 00:19:13,198 --> 00:19:15,156 Been killed to be quiet. 343 00:19:16,195 --> 00:19:18,720 To know that any day, any time you're going to 344 00:19:18,721 --> 00:19:21,871 Be killed, you don't know how, but it's coming. 345 00:19:25,631 --> 00:19:27,872 We were fighting an oligarch, and still 346 00:19:27,873 --> 00:19:30,616 We are fighting, you know, oligarchs. 347 00:19:30,618 --> 00:19:33,931 Minds that don't want to work on inclusiveness, 348 00:19:33,932 --> 00:19:35,947 But just extraction. 349 00:19:35,952 --> 00:19:37,654 It's not only about taking from the earth, 350 00:19:37,655 --> 00:19:39,235 But taking from the people. 351 00:19:42,042 --> 00:19:44,568 Even your dreams get colonized. 352 00:19:45,828 --> 00:19:49,111 - The last half of what is called the cold war, 353 00:19:49,112 --> 00:19:51,004 Turned out to be a very hot war for 354 00:19:51,006 --> 00:19:52,954 Many parts of the world. 355 00:19:54,097 --> 00:19:56,879 From the standpoint of what iqbal lamet calls 356 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,577 The victims of, what I will think of really as, 357 00:20:01,578 --> 00:20:05,022 Of people trying to make their own futures. 358 00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:08,294 There was an attempt in the global south 359 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:12,141 To create an alternative imagination for people. 360 00:20:13,253 --> 00:20:16,943 But in the early 1970's, this attempt was destroyed. 361 00:20:16,946 --> 00:20:20,570 And it was stopped through a real, genuine attempt, 362 00:20:20,576 --> 00:20:22,374 By the global law to take over the 363 00:20:22,375 --> 00:20:24,333 Institutions of the world, including 364 00:20:24,334 --> 00:20:26,223 The world bank, the imf. 365 00:20:27,897 --> 00:20:30,015 So, it's not simply that the people 366 00:20:30,016 --> 00:20:32,528 Of the south were incapable of carrying 367 00:20:32,537 --> 00:20:34,050 Forward their dreams. 368 00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:42,128 I use a very strong word. 369 00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:44,495 These dreams were assassinated. 370 00:20:44,497 --> 00:20:47,021 It's not just the one off killings, 371 00:20:47,022 --> 00:20:49,255 The coup here, the coup there. 372 00:20:51,786 --> 00:20:55,674 It's the entire dream that had to be killed. 373 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:25,559 - The joint hearings of the house select 374 00:22:25,564 --> 00:22:27,428 Committee to investigate covert arms 375 00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:29,413 Transaction with iran. 376 00:22:33,738 --> 00:22:35,980 And the select committee on secret military 377 00:22:35,981 --> 00:22:39,763 Assistance to iran and the nicaraguan opposition. 378 00:22:39,767 --> 00:22:41,470 We will come to order. 379 00:22:41,470 --> 00:22:43,325 - Congress began to address what they perceived 380 00:22:43,332 --> 00:22:45,726 To be an insanely out of control series of covert 381 00:22:45,730 --> 00:22:49,136 Actions with little to no congressional oversight. 382 00:22:49,139 --> 00:22:51,351 - We have been supplying lethal weapons 383 00:22:51,352 --> 00:22:54,724 To terrorist nations, involving the u.S. Government 384 00:22:54,725 --> 00:22:58,916 In military activities in direct contravention of the law. 385 00:22:58,923 --> 00:23:01,155 And lying to the congress. 386 00:23:01,164 --> 00:23:04,319 Now I believe that democracy cannot survive 387 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,089 That kind of abuse. 388 00:23:09,147 --> 00:23:11,767 - And people like dick cheney, and donald rumsfeld, 389 00:23:11,768 --> 00:23:13,726 Who were relatively new to government at the time, 390 00:23:13,727 --> 00:23:15,682 Did not like when congress said we need 391 00:23:15,683 --> 00:23:18,585 To step in and confront the national security state. 392 00:23:18,586 --> 00:23:22,084 And what's become a very out of control kill program. 393 00:23:22,087 --> 00:23:24,357 Cheney then went on, during the reagan years in the 80's 394 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,103 To serve in congress, and when the iran-contra 395 00:23:27,104 --> 00:23:29,971 Scandal broke out into the open, 396 00:23:29,977 --> 00:23:32,436 Cheney did not like congress being involved 397 00:23:32,438 --> 00:23:34,680 With anything that the executive branch was doing. 398 00:23:36,762 --> 00:23:38,371 And you had this utter scandal that 399 00:23:38,372 --> 00:23:41,304 Emanated from the highest echelons of power. 400 00:23:41,307 --> 00:23:43,161 And the reagan administration was acting 401 00:23:43,169 --> 00:23:45,023 As though it had nothing to do with it. 402 00:23:45,031 --> 00:23:47,017 - I've told you all that I know. 403 00:23:47,019 --> 00:23:48,590 And you know, the truth of the matter is, 404 00:23:48,597 --> 00:23:50,650 For quite some long time, all that you knew 405 00:23:50,651 --> 00:23:51,941 Is what I told you. 406 00:23:51,942 --> 00:23:53,768 - did they deceive you? 407 00:23:53,773 --> 00:23:56,261 You didn't answer whether they deceived you. 408 00:23:56,265 --> 00:23:58,158 Mr. President! 409 00:23:59,262 --> 00:24:02,857 - Our witness this morning is mr. Robert mcfarlane, 410 00:24:02,861 --> 00:24:07,090 The former national security advisor to the president. 411 00:24:07,091 --> 00:24:08,765 Mr. Mcfarlane we welcome you to the 412 00:24:08,766 --> 00:24:12,330 Committee and we look forward to your testimony. 413 00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:17,093 - Mr. Mcfarlane, did you have any 414 00:24:17,095 --> 00:24:19,488 Discussion about the possibility 415 00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:25,773 Of, in effect, farming out the whole contra support 416 00:24:25,774 --> 00:24:29,497 Operations in nicaragua to another country, 417 00:24:29,498 --> 00:24:31,608 Which we'll call country one? 418 00:24:31,613 --> 00:24:33,505 - Yes that's correct. 419 00:24:33,506 --> 00:24:37,063 - and did you, in fact, succeed in obtaining 420 00:24:37,073 --> 00:24:40,318 Money from another country, 421 00:24:40,323 --> 00:24:43,578 Which we'll call country two? 422 00:24:45,593 --> 00:24:47,456 - That's correct. 423 00:24:48,592 --> 00:24:51,463 I had the practice of meeting periodically 424 00:24:51,464 --> 00:24:54,302 With the official from country two, 425 00:24:55,408 --> 00:24:57,896 About assistance we could provide. 426 00:24:57,901 --> 00:24:59,860 In some cases arm sales. 427 00:25:01,782 --> 00:25:04,771 And he intended to provide a contribution 428 00:25:04,781 --> 00:25:08,527 Of a million dollars per month, to the contras, 429 00:25:08,537 --> 00:25:11,025 Through the end of the year. 430 00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:12,855 - you have no problems working with the cia? 431 00:25:12,861 --> 00:25:14,053 - We have no problem working with the 432 00:25:14,059 --> 00:25:15,889 United states government, and unless 433 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:17,621 The cia does not work for the United States 434 00:25:17,626 --> 00:25:19,582 Government, then I think we have a bigger problem. 435 00:25:19,583 --> 00:25:21,444 - There have been occasions where some americans 436 00:25:21,445 --> 00:25:22,608 Have questioned that, as you know. 437 00:25:23,748 --> 00:25:24,883 - Well thank heavens those occasions 438 00:25:24,884 --> 00:25:27,211 Was not in connection with saudi arabia. 439 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:42,620 - I think that there was a substantial 440 00:25:42,621 --> 00:25:45,492 Shadow government, trying to run 441 00:25:45,493 --> 00:25:48,142 Foreign affairs for the United States. 442 00:25:48,143 --> 00:25:49,913 - These events have been characterized 443 00:25:49,914 --> 00:25:51,774 By some pretty strong statements. 444 00:25:51,775 --> 00:25:54,109 We've heard talk of a grave constitutional crisis, 445 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:56,880 And even been treated to talk about 446 00:25:56,886 --> 00:25:58,810 A coup in the white house. 447 00:25:58,811 --> 00:26:00,514 - Not only does cheney, sort of, defend 448 00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:03,665 Iran-contra, but he argues that iran-contra 449 00:26:03,670 --> 00:26:05,562 Is actually a model for how the u.S. 450 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,998 Should be conducting it's national security policy. 451 00:26:09,004 --> 00:26:11,625 He is a radical subscriber to this notion 452 00:26:11,626 --> 00:26:13,484 Of the unitary executive. 453 00:26:13,485 --> 00:26:14,715 Effectively what you're doing is saying 454 00:26:14,716 --> 00:26:16,542 On certain parts of american policy 455 00:26:16,547 --> 00:26:20,359 We don't have a democracy, we have a dictatorship. 456 00:26:20,366 --> 00:26:21,283 - As a matter of fact I was... 457 00:26:22,575 --> 00:26:25,006 Very definitely involved in the decisions 458 00:26:25,007 --> 00:26:27,900 About support to the freedom fighters. 459 00:26:27,908 --> 00:26:29,706 My idea to begin with. 460 00:26:31,031 --> 00:26:32,829 - In my opinion there's no justification 461 00:26:32,831 --> 00:26:34,505 For further restrictions on the power 462 00:26:34,506 --> 00:26:36,679 And flexibility of future presidents. 463 00:26:43,875 --> 00:26:45,963 - The national security league today is mostly 464 00:26:45,964 --> 00:26:48,135 Composed of people who hit the revolving 465 00:26:48,137 --> 00:26:50,720 Door multiple times during their life. 466 00:26:50,725 --> 00:26:52,012 - the nomination of richard b. Cheney 467 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:54,611 To be secretary of defense is confirmed. 468 00:26:54,612 --> 00:26:56,623 - they make a name for themselves in the private 469 00:26:56,628 --> 00:27:00,288 Industry, and then they come into the government. 470 00:27:00,289 --> 00:27:03,136 This revolving door keeps the national security league 471 00:27:03,137 --> 00:27:06,091 Very small, and very wealthy. 472 00:27:06,096 --> 00:27:08,715 And increasing it's wealth as it goes up the chain. 473 00:27:08,716 --> 00:27:10,674 To the extent that then, when you get to the top 474 00:27:10,675 --> 00:27:12,564 As cheney did, then you can become 475 00:27:12,566 --> 00:27:16,037 A member of the plutocracy, that runs the country too. 476 00:27:16,038 --> 00:27:17,239 - This is an impressive crowd. 477 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,845 The have's. 478 00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:19,792 And the have more's. 479 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,044 - Cheney commissioned a study, by halliburton, 480 00:27:24,053 --> 00:27:27,370 To find out how much more of the defense department 481 00:27:27,371 --> 00:27:28,559 Could be privatized. 482 00:27:28,565 --> 00:27:29,454 - halliburton. 483 00:27:29,455 --> 00:27:31,246 Proud to serve our troops. 484 00:27:31,247 --> 00:27:33,678 - Halliburton was elated to get this million 485 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:36,355 Dollar contract, and of course returned 486 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,820 A verdict that, "oh, mr. Secretary, 487 00:27:38,822 --> 00:27:41,811 "lots more of it can be privatized." 488 00:27:46,741 --> 00:27:48,501 - Dick cheney leaves the defense department 489 00:27:48,509 --> 00:27:50,307 And goes and heads halliburton himself. 490 00:27:50,307 --> 00:27:52,351 And he spends the entire 1990's, building 491 00:27:52,358 --> 00:27:55,159 Up the halliburton war empire. 492 00:27:55,167 --> 00:27:57,598 - Well, if we're gonna talk about star wars, 493 00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,527 We might as well invite darth vader. 494 00:28:07,348 --> 00:28:09,524 I'm happy to accept. 495 00:28:09,527 --> 00:28:12,053 - Then he comes back into power as vice president, 496 00:28:12,054 --> 00:28:14,672 And then they start hiring halliburton to... 497 00:28:14,673 --> 00:28:17,452 In advance even of u.S. Troops going in to iraq, 498 00:28:17,453 --> 00:28:19,369 Halliburton personnel and equipment was 499 00:28:19,374 --> 00:28:20,670 Being deployed to the gulf. 500 00:28:20,671 --> 00:28:22,399 It's hard to look at this and not say, 501 00:28:22,404 --> 00:28:24,703 These guys had a very long term plan 502 00:28:24,708 --> 00:28:26,978 For how they were going to increase 503 00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:30,896 The powerful infrastructure of private companies. 504 00:28:32,659 --> 00:28:35,052 What we've essentially done is to create 505 00:28:35,058 --> 00:28:38,558 A network of corporations that have the 506 00:28:38,561 --> 00:28:41,558 Fire power of small nation-states. 507 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,302 That could, you know, overthrow some 508 00:28:44,304 --> 00:28:47,142 Small governments around the world. 509 00:28:48,217 --> 00:28:50,241 - In essence, we in the United States 510 00:28:50,242 --> 00:28:54,022 Have privatized the ultimate public function, war. 511 00:29:04,344 --> 00:29:07,939 - You know bombs have got a time limit, they're like food. 512 00:29:07,942 --> 00:29:11,821 You know munitions has got, you know, sell-by dates. 513 00:29:11,825 --> 00:29:12,988 You gotta get rid of it. 514 00:29:31,295 --> 00:29:34,351 In iraq, the f-16s and f-18s were firing 515 00:29:34,357 --> 00:29:36,476 Six million dollars within seconds, 516 00:29:36,477 --> 00:29:40,038 Coming back, re-arming and going up again. 517 00:29:51,683 --> 00:29:53,641 - there's no hope of ending war, 518 00:29:53,642 --> 00:29:55,276 Because there's always a small cobble 519 00:29:55,281 --> 00:29:59,103 Of people for whom war is really, really good business. 520 00:30:00,708 --> 00:30:03,829 It doesn't matter that we're losing the war in afghanistan. 521 00:30:03,833 --> 00:30:05,757 Halliburton could care less. 522 00:30:05,758 --> 00:30:08,909 It's good for them, good for profit. 523 00:30:56,035 --> 00:30:57,521 Well we've undergone a corporate 524 00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,790 Coup d'etat, in slow motion. 525 00:30:59,792 --> 00:31:01,873 To quote john ralston saul. 526 00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:04,335 35,000 lobbyists in washington, they write 527 00:31:04,337 --> 00:31:07,487 The legislation, they write the bills. 528 00:31:07,493 --> 00:31:10,047 - All it takes is one phone call, 529 00:31:10,049 --> 00:31:11,875 From somebody on the hill, to someone 530 00:31:11,879 --> 00:31:14,878 In the pentagon, saying, "hey, turn on the dogs, 531 00:31:14,879 --> 00:31:16,419 "the hill's out to get our program. 532 00:31:16,423 --> 00:31:18,315 "the guy's in the senate aren't on board, 533 00:31:18,317 --> 00:31:20,171 "we need you to turn on the gucci shoe guys 534 00:31:20,179 --> 00:31:21,541 "to straighten this thing out." 535 00:31:21,542 --> 00:31:24,373 The gucci shoe guys being the lobbyists. 536 00:31:24,376 --> 00:31:26,363 And what this does is just lock the system up, 537 00:31:26,365 --> 00:31:27,443 And that's the whole name of the game. 538 00:31:27,444 --> 00:31:29,954 It's called political engineering. 539 00:31:29,962 --> 00:31:33,775 And unlike political science, political engineering is real. 540 00:31:35,674 --> 00:31:37,849 One of the most important things to understand, 541 00:31:37,852 --> 00:31:40,340 It essentially creates what we call 542 00:31:40,345 --> 00:31:42,965 A self-licking ice-cream cone. 543 00:31:43,942 --> 00:31:45,900 And it's like a perpetual motion machine 544 00:31:45,901 --> 00:31:48,926 For getting ever increasing defense budgets. 545 00:31:48,929 --> 00:31:51,162 The way we do it is by downplaying the 546 00:31:51,170 --> 00:31:53,761 Future consequences to start a new weapon. 547 00:31:53,762 --> 00:31:55,584 We over promise it's performance, 548 00:31:55,589 --> 00:31:57,670 Under promise it's cost. 549 00:31:57,672 --> 00:32:00,510 We then, systematically spread dollars, jobs 550 00:32:00,513 --> 00:32:03,190 And profits to as many congressional districts 551 00:32:03,196 --> 00:32:05,183 As quickly as possible, so that everybody 552 00:32:05,185 --> 00:32:06,916 Has skin in the game. 553 00:32:10,138 --> 00:32:12,634 - The people who are invested in this stage, 554 00:32:12,635 --> 00:32:15,470 Are people like the largest defense contractor in the world. 555 00:32:15,472 --> 00:32:17,017 Lockheed martin. 556 00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:20,329 They will die before they see it go. 557 00:32:20,332 --> 00:32:22,007 - and while we don't know what's 558 00:32:22,008 --> 00:32:24,341 Going to change the world next, 559 00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:28,531 We're probably already working on it. 560 00:32:31,472 --> 00:32:33,204 - Lockheed martin basically gets in 561 00:32:33,209 --> 00:32:35,990 Like an octopus, and lifts it's tentacles, 562 00:32:35,991 --> 00:32:38,418 You know, in all branches of the government. 563 00:32:38,419 --> 00:32:40,366 And then they hold them. 564 00:32:41,856 --> 00:32:44,539 And that's how they operate. 565 00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:48,674 They make the mafia look like a bunch of schoolboys. 566 00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:52,430 - Fiscal year 1999, 2.3 trillion missing. 567 00:32:52,431 --> 00:32:55,931 Fiscal year 2000, 1.1 trillion missing. 568 00:32:55,934 --> 00:32:58,015 The pentagon has claimed, year after year, 569 00:32:58,017 --> 00:32:59,909 That the reason it can't account for the money 570 00:32:59,911 --> 00:33:01,926 Is because it's computers don't communicate 571 00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:03,697 With each other. 572 00:33:03,698 --> 00:33:05,429 - one trillion, one dollar bills, 573 00:33:05,434 --> 00:33:09,407 Stacked high would reach nearly 68,000 miles into space. 574 00:33:09,411 --> 00:33:12,277 One third of the way to the moon. 575 00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:15,748 - I got a phone call from the fbi 576 00:33:15,754 --> 00:33:18,877 Saying that I was a target of a death threat. 577 00:33:18,878 --> 00:33:21,679 And that's what happens when you go against 578 00:33:21,687 --> 00:33:22,756 The big boys. 579 00:33:23,706 --> 00:33:26,325 Who has the contracts today, to make 580 00:33:26,326 --> 00:33:28,502 Those systems communicate with each other? 581 00:33:28,504 --> 00:33:31,437 And how much have the tax payers paid for them? 582 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,038 - There are times that corporations 583 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:35,319 Do things they should not do, in which case 584 00:33:35,321 --> 00:33:37,781 They tend to be suspended for some period. 585 00:33:37,783 --> 00:33:39,419 There are times then that corporations 586 00:33:39,424 --> 00:33:40,994 Can get out of the penalty box, if you will... 587 00:33:41,002 --> 00:33:43,877 - This company was never in the penalty box. 588 00:33:43,878 --> 00:33:46,400 If you could proceed to my second question please. 589 00:33:46,401 --> 00:33:48,509 - The second question... 590 00:33:53,973 --> 00:33:57,700 I've forgotten what the second question was. 591 00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:04,670 - Individuals operating in the shadows, 592 00:34:04,671 --> 00:34:07,131 And never having their names called, 593 00:34:07,133 --> 00:34:10,822 Are able to leverage the power of the military 594 00:34:10,825 --> 00:34:13,124 And the foreign policy apparatus for 595 00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:15,872 Their own personal pecuniary ends. 596 00:34:18,461 --> 00:34:19,502 - What now? 597 00:34:19,504 --> 00:34:23,164 How do we justify all this tanks, 598 00:34:23,165 --> 00:34:25,379 All this planes, all this bullshit? 599 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:28,269 What better new enemy than an hypothetical 600 00:34:28,277 --> 00:34:31,778 Invisible enemy called the war on terror? 601 00:36:22,948 --> 00:36:24,556 - I think at the most basic level, 602 00:36:24,558 --> 00:36:27,434 When we realize how we've entered into 603 00:36:28,723 --> 00:36:31,145 A permanent state of war, like what 604 00:36:31,155 --> 00:36:33,737 Often proponents of 605 00:36:34,815 --> 00:36:36,016 Counter-terrorism on a global scale, 606 00:36:36,017 --> 00:36:37,783 Think of as a long war, but a war 607 00:36:37,784 --> 00:36:40,648 Without end, something like that. 608 00:36:44,819 --> 00:36:48,064 And I think that what we've accepted 609 00:36:48,070 --> 00:36:50,937 Is a political regime 610 00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:53,087 That is sustained by fear. 611 00:36:53,088 --> 00:36:54,791 This is a very old... 612 00:36:54,792 --> 00:36:56,750 It's a very old political tactic. 613 00:36:56,751 --> 00:37:00,182 I mean, machiavelli asks in the prince, 614 00:37:00,188 --> 00:37:02,610 "is it better for the prince to be feared or loved?" 615 00:37:02,618 --> 00:37:06,184 And his conclusion is, because the locus 616 00:37:06,185 --> 00:37:09,340 Of fear, the source of fear resides in him, 617 00:37:09,341 --> 00:37:12,812 In the prince, it can be constant for his rule. 618 00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:16,057 Whereas the locus of love, resides in the people. 619 00:37:16,063 --> 00:37:17,633 It's in their power. 620 00:37:17,641 --> 00:37:21,332 And so for them could be constant, and long lasting. 621 00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:23,443 So machiavelli already opens a question that 622 00:37:23,448 --> 00:37:26,039 He probably doesn't provide us the answer with, 623 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,997 What would it mean to have our social arrangement, 624 00:37:29,003 --> 00:37:31,812 Like the basis of our social choices, 625 00:37:33,105 --> 00:37:34,647 Be founded on love? 626 00:37:37,491 --> 00:37:39,440 - I don't think one has to justify the cost 627 00:37:39,449 --> 00:37:41,587 And nature of the national security state, 628 00:37:41,594 --> 00:37:44,470 One just has to keep the people fearful enough 629 00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,075 To support it. 630 00:37:46,075 --> 00:37:47,523 - But what I want to bring to your attention today 631 00:37:47,527 --> 00:37:50,554 Is the potentially much more sinister nexus 632 00:37:50,557 --> 00:37:54,369 Between iraq and the al-qaeda terrorist network. 633 00:37:54,376 --> 00:37:57,365 - Every word in that speech was gone over by 634 00:37:57,374 --> 00:37:59,992 The director of central intelligence, 635 00:37:59,993 --> 00:38:01,356 And his deputy director. 636 00:38:01,357 --> 00:38:03,904 So there's nothing that I made up. 637 00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:05,798 There was nothing that I stuck in there. 638 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,474 And in fact, some people tried to stick 639 00:38:07,475 --> 00:38:09,648 Extra things in there, that the intelligence 640 00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:12,394 Community wouldn't verify with multi-sourcing. 641 00:38:12,396 --> 00:38:13,562 And I said no. 642 00:38:13,563 --> 00:38:16,363 - Powell grabbed me, physically, 643 00:38:16,372 --> 00:38:20,118 Which was unlike him, and drug me into a space 644 00:38:20,127 --> 00:38:23,155 At the cia, at langely, and said, 645 00:38:23,157 --> 00:38:26,628 "throw all the material in my presentation 646 00:38:26,629 --> 00:38:29,401 "about terrorism out, cut it out." 647 00:38:29,407 --> 00:38:30,722 - About this amount, this is just about... 648 00:38:30,732 --> 00:38:33,438 - Within an hour, george tenet, the director 649 00:38:33,446 --> 00:38:36,880 Of central intelligence, made a spectacular 650 00:38:36,886 --> 00:38:39,062 Bombshell presentation. 651 00:38:39,064 --> 00:38:40,861 We have just learned from a high level 652 00:38:40,862 --> 00:38:43,733 Al-qaeda operative, under interrogation, 653 00:38:43,734 --> 00:38:46,478 About significant contacts between 654 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,289 Baghdad's mukhabarat, and al-qaeda. 655 00:38:51,338 --> 00:38:53,230 This was devastating. 656 00:38:54,116 --> 00:38:56,357 Here's a director of central intelligence 657 00:38:56,358 --> 00:38:58,755 Telling the secretary of state 658 00:38:58,756 --> 00:39:01,753 That he has interrogated evidence. 659 00:39:01,754 --> 00:39:03,419 Well the secretary turned to me and said, 660 00:39:03,427 --> 00:39:05,375 "put it back in." 661 00:39:05,383 --> 00:39:07,689 - al-qaeda continues to have a deep interest 662 00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:10,402 In acquiring weapons of mass destruction. 663 00:39:10,403 --> 00:39:13,078 As with the story of zarqawi and his network, 664 00:39:13,084 --> 00:39:16,593 I can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative 665 00:39:16,594 --> 00:39:19,141 Telling how iraq provided training 666 00:39:19,143 --> 00:39:21,631 In these weapons to al-qaeda. 667 00:39:21,636 --> 00:39:23,499 - Later I learn that was sheikh al libi. 668 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,052 That it hadn't just instantly happened. 669 00:39:26,053 --> 00:39:28,103 It had happened months before. 670 00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:31,226 That he'd been water-boarded in egypt, when he did this. 671 00:39:31,229 --> 00:39:33,689 No u.S. Personnel were present. 672 00:39:33,691 --> 00:39:36,491 And he had recanted within a couple of weeks, 673 00:39:36,499 --> 00:39:38,609 And we never were told about that. 674 00:39:38,614 --> 00:39:40,317 - Every statement I make today is backed 675 00:39:40,318 --> 00:39:42,809 Up by sources, solid sources. 676 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:44,570 These are not assertions. 677 00:39:44,577 --> 00:39:46,592 What we're giving you are facts and conclusions 678 00:39:46,597 --> 00:39:49,057 Based on solid intelligence. 679 00:39:50,005 --> 00:39:53,070 - We were, indisputably, we were lied to. 680 00:39:54,549 --> 00:39:56,498 - at this hour, american and coalition 681 00:39:56,507 --> 00:39:59,723 Forces are in the early stages of military operations, 682 00:39:59,726 --> 00:40:02,214 To disarm iraq, to free it's people, 683 00:40:02,219 --> 00:40:04,432 And to defend the world from grave danger. 684 00:40:04,433 --> 00:40:07,862 - As karl rove famously said to this reporter, 685 00:40:07,867 --> 00:40:10,897 "now you guys are reality based communities. 686 00:40:10,898 --> 00:40:12,061 "we make reality. 687 00:40:12,065 --> 00:40:13,834 "by the time you figured out, you know, 688 00:40:13,835 --> 00:40:15,374 "what's wrong with our reality, 689 00:40:15,378 --> 00:40:17,431 "we've moved on to the creation of another reality." 690 00:40:17,432 --> 00:40:20,267 - Did you sell or cause to come into the possession 691 00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:22,985 Of saddam hussein weapons of mass destruction? 692 00:40:22,986 --> 00:40:27,184 - Did the United States sell to him, absolutely not. 693 00:40:29,832 --> 00:40:31,980 - Iran-iraq was on such a scale, and I was 694 00:40:31,981 --> 00:40:34,844 On the iranian side, and I went down to the battle point. 695 00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:37,432 I was actually given a gas kit. 696 00:40:37,438 --> 00:40:39,236 And so they let me take the train back, 697 00:40:39,236 --> 00:40:40,532 Right all the way up to tehran. 698 00:40:40,533 --> 00:40:43,179 And the carriages were crammed with iranian 699 00:40:43,181 --> 00:40:44,790 Soldiers who'd been gassed. 700 00:40:44,791 --> 00:40:46,465 Some were just coughing, retching it. 701 00:40:46,466 --> 00:40:48,705 And one man was reading the quran, 702 00:40:48,706 --> 00:40:50,435 And he would sort of put a handkerchief 703 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,834 And wipe the blood off his lips. 704 00:40:53,784 --> 00:40:55,713 Gradually the corridors became permeated 705 00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:57,536 With a sort of very sick smell. 706 00:40:57,541 --> 00:40:59,055 And I realized it was the smell of 707 00:40:59,056 --> 00:41:00,853 The gas that they were coughing up from their lungs, 708 00:41:00,854 --> 00:41:02,055 And I was going along the corridors, 709 00:41:02,056 --> 00:41:03,945 Opening all the windows in the night air, 710 00:41:03,946 --> 00:41:05,838 Trying to clean the train out of this smell 711 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,612 Of, obviously, chemical warfare. 712 00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:14,265 After 2003 I was being attacked on radio shows, 713 00:41:14,267 --> 00:41:15,844 Especially from america. 714 00:41:15,845 --> 00:41:17,104 Well you're complaining about the american invasion, 715 00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:20,002 And I said, excuse me I was on the train 716 00:41:20,011 --> 00:41:23,387 Of iranians gassed by the iraqis. 717 00:41:23,388 --> 00:41:25,696 And the chemical components came from the United States. 718 00:41:25,697 --> 00:41:29,693 At the very time that your rumsfeld was meeting saddam. 719 00:41:30,741 --> 00:41:33,257 - You were meeting with saddam hussein. 720 00:41:33,266 --> 00:41:34,931 I think we have some video of that. 721 00:41:34,939 --> 00:41:36,295 Of that meeting. 722 00:41:36,296 --> 00:41:39,039 Tell me what was going on during this meeting. 723 00:41:39,041 --> 00:41:41,567 - Where did you get this video, from the iraqi television... 724 00:41:41,568 --> 00:41:44,470 - When did they give it to you, recently, or back then? 725 00:41:44,471 --> 00:41:46,550 - We've dug this out of the cnn library. 726 00:41:46,552 --> 00:41:48,318 - I see. 727 00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,174 Isn't that interesting. 728 00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:51,915 There I am. 729 00:42:08,235 --> 00:42:10,978 - our war on terror, 730 00:42:10,981 --> 00:42:12,656 Begins with al-qaeda. 731 00:42:13,694 --> 00:42:14,801 But it does not end there. 732 00:42:17,987 --> 00:42:19,596 - This very phrase, war on terror, 733 00:42:19,597 --> 00:42:21,678 Is irrational. 734 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,592 It's like saying, a war on war. 735 00:42:25,593 --> 00:42:28,242 A war on violence, a war that... 736 00:42:28,244 --> 00:42:29,786 It's nonsense. 737 00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,077 You're stepping into this possibility of, kind 738 00:42:31,084 --> 00:42:32,759 Of, perpetual war. 739 00:42:33,703 --> 00:42:36,512 - Good morning darling, how are you? 740 00:42:37,648 --> 00:42:39,388 - They lack at reassuring us, 741 00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:41,750 And we kept believing him, because 742 00:42:41,751 --> 00:42:43,388 You don't want to think your prime minister 743 00:42:43,393 --> 00:42:45,190 Is deceiving you in the route to a war, 744 00:42:45,191 --> 00:42:47,745 There's nothing more serious. 745 00:42:48,345 --> 00:42:51,912 # we can change the world 746 00:42:51,914 --> 00:42:53,739 - When the serious fraud office launched 747 00:42:53,744 --> 00:42:55,977 It's investigation into all the crimes 748 00:42:55,985 --> 00:42:58,473 That we were uncovering, it turned out 749 00:42:58,478 --> 00:43:00,115 That many of these arms deals had 750 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,364 Been forced through by tony blair, personally. 751 00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:05,196 - He's a dedicated arms salesman. 752 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,717 Whatever that was at his feet, ever, in government, 753 00:43:07,725 --> 00:43:10,119 He always backed the arms sale. 754 00:43:10,123 --> 00:43:12,649 - the serious fraud office got to the brink 755 00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:15,799 Of uncovering the secret swiss bank accounts, 756 00:43:15,804 --> 00:43:19,588 By which bae was funneling money to the saudi royal family. 757 00:43:19,592 --> 00:43:21,077 The swiss said we're gonna notify 758 00:43:21,078 --> 00:43:22,901 The bank account holders. 759 00:43:22,906 --> 00:43:26,851 Bandar flew to london and blair swung into action. 760 00:43:30,101 --> 00:43:32,022 He ordered the serious fraud office 761 00:43:32,027 --> 00:43:33,540 To close down their investigation. 762 00:43:33,541 --> 00:43:36,095 # we can change the world 763 00:43:36,097 --> 00:43:39,408 - Prince bandar said if the investigation continued, 764 00:43:39,411 --> 00:43:43,129 They would withdraw national security cooperation. 765 00:43:43,136 --> 00:43:45,785 Which would lead, in the words of prince bandar, 766 00:43:45,786 --> 00:43:48,691 "to blood on the streets of london." 767 00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:53,261 - the story we've been banging away at, 768 00:43:53,267 --> 00:43:55,565 For more than five years, suddenly everybody woke up to it, 769 00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:57,434 Because everybody could see it was a huge 770 00:43:57,435 --> 00:43:59,192 Cover-up scandal. 771 00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,053 The spectacle of a british prime minister 772 00:44:01,061 --> 00:44:03,558 Closing down a criminal investigation for 773 00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:04,717 His own reasons. 774 00:44:04,721 --> 00:44:05,856 - were you aware that your 775 00:44:05,857 --> 00:44:07,844 Government was approving payments to a friend 776 00:44:07,846 --> 00:44:10,239 Of president bush's, as part of a 777 00:44:10,244 --> 00:44:12,448 British aerospace's kick back system? 778 00:44:12,453 --> 00:44:15,821 Is that why you suspended a fraud inquiry? 779 00:44:17,061 --> 00:44:18,953 - When tony blair started talking about 780 00:44:18,955 --> 00:44:21,509 National security interest, that's supposed to be 781 00:44:21,511 --> 00:44:23,403 A card that trumps all others. 782 00:44:23,405 --> 00:44:24,604 - I don't believe the investigation 783 00:44:24,605 --> 00:44:25,805 Incidentally would have led anywhere, 784 00:44:25,806 --> 00:44:27,628 Except to the complete wreckage 785 00:44:27,633 --> 00:44:31,606 Of a vital, strategic relationship for our country. 786 00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:33,880 In terms of fighting terrorism, in terms 787 00:44:33,882 --> 00:44:38,139 Of the middle east, in terms of british interest there. 788 00:44:38,143 --> 00:44:39,789 - So this thing's absolutely stunning. 789 00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:42,651 It seems to be a very expensive way 790 00:44:42,656 --> 00:44:45,400 Of organizing bribe payment. 791 00:44:45,402 --> 00:44:49,337 Out the military equipment, and just hand out the money. 792 00:44:54,395 --> 00:44:56,225 # we can change the world 793 00:44:56,226 --> 00:44:58,780 - blair came to south africa, specifically 794 00:44:58,782 --> 00:45:02,595 To lobby the bae, the british weapons manufacturer, 795 00:45:02,601 --> 00:45:06,347 Who won the biggest contract on our arms deal. 796 00:45:06,357 --> 00:45:07,965 # our time has come 797 00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:13,109 - And the option that they presented 798 00:45:13,111 --> 00:45:15,816 Was two and half times more expensive 799 00:45:15,825 --> 00:45:18,351 Than the plane that the south african air force 800 00:45:18,352 --> 00:45:20,305 Actually wanted. 801 00:45:20,306 --> 00:45:22,293 - bae systems. 802 00:45:22,294 --> 00:45:23,401 Real performance. 803 00:45:23,402 --> 00:45:24,657 Real advantage. 804 00:45:29,363 --> 00:45:31,880 - As mandela was about to step down 805 00:45:31,888 --> 00:45:35,675 From public life, his successor, thabo mbeki, 806 00:45:35,676 --> 00:45:39,678 Made the decision to spend around 10 billion dollars, 807 00:45:40,693 --> 00:45:43,501 What were quite scarce public resources, 808 00:45:43,502 --> 00:45:47,131 On this weaponry that we didn't need. 809 00:45:47,132 --> 00:45:50,603 Rather than provide life saving medication, 810 00:45:50,604 --> 00:45:53,092 For the almost 6 million south africans 811 00:45:53,097 --> 00:45:57,135 Who were then living with hiv, or aids. 812 00:45:57,136 --> 00:45:58,745 The primary reason for those deals, 813 00:45:58,745 --> 00:46:02,564 Was that around 300 million dollars in bribes 814 00:46:02,565 --> 00:46:05,147 Were paid to senior politicians, 815 00:46:07,549 --> 00:46:10,074 And sadly to the african national congress, 816 00:46:10,075 --> 00:46:11,872 The anc, my own party. 817 00:46:15,534 --> 00:46:18,182 I was called in by a senior member of the anc's 818 00:46:18,185 --> 00:46:19,954 National executive council. 819 00:46:19,955 --> 00:46:22,440 He said to me, "look andrew, this is a battle 820 00:46:22,445 --> 00:46:26,674 "you cannot win, because this money, the bribes, 821 00:46:26,675 --> 00:46:30,240 "we used to fund our 1999 election." 822 00:46:30,241 --> 00:46:32,417 And almost immediately I'm asked to make 823 00:46:32,419 --> 00:46:34,311 A statement to the press that says 824 00:46:34,313 --> 00:46:37,246 There's nothing to investigate. 825 00:46:37,248 --> 00:46:38,857 So it's all over. 826 00:46:40,055 --> 00:46:43,839 And I looked at him and I said, no it's not. 827 00:46:43,844 --> 00:46:46,739 I won't be able to live with myself, 828 00:46:48,292 --> 00:46:50,468 If I stop this investigation. 829 00:46:50,471 --> 00:46:53,120 But at the same time, I'm also realizing, 830 00:46:53,122 --> 00:46:56,471 That this is the end of my political career. 831 00:46:59,717 --> 00:47:02,707 The heads of government are the sales people in chief 832 00:47:02,715 --> 00:47:05,807 Of their country's large arms contractors. 833 00:47:05,808 --> 00:47:07,889 And this is the template used by large 834 00:47:07,891 --> 00:47:11,069 Defense contractors around the world. 835 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:20,514 - Companies like bae are not only, sort of, 836 00:47:20,515 --> 00:47:21,868 Effectively part of the government, 837 00:47:21,872 --> 00:47:23,989 But they're effectively above the law. 838 00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:26,635 - Corruption is not merely a dirty little detail 839 00:47:26,637 --> 00:47:29,286 On top of the arms trade, it's actually, 840 00:47:29,288 --> 00:47:32,825 In a lot of cases, what drives the international arms trade. 841 00:47:32,826 --> 00:47:35,850 Many of these deals would not happen if they did not 842 00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:39,640 Provide opportunities for personal enrichment. 843 00:47:39,641 --> 00:47:42,347 - I would be offended if I thought 844 00:47:44,311 --> 00:47:47,054 We had the monopoly on corruption. 845 00:48:01,417 --> 00:48:03,243 - As I was being dragged out I thought, 846 00:48:03,249 --> 00:48:05,204 Right at the last second I'm gonna still say, 847 00:48:05,205 --> 00:48:07,164 Remind everyone that this guy is a war criminal. 848 00:48:07,165 --> 00:48:09,338 - Can I just say, actually, on the record, 849 00:48:09,339 --> 00:48:11,676 What he said about iraq and jp morgan 850 00:48:11,677 --> 00:48:13,501 Is completely and totally untrue. 851 00:48:13,506 --> 00:48:14,866 I have never had a discussion with them. 852 00:48:14,867 --> 00:48:16,281 - Now I'm not suggesting that there was a phone 853 00:48:16,282 --> 00:48:17,862 Call between jp morgan and blair, 854 00:48:17,863 --> 00:48:19,336 It was actually what happened was, 855 00:48:19,344 --> 00:48:21,075 Jp morgan and a consortium of other banks 856 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,201 Did, in fact, prop up the whole iraq economy 857 00:48:24,204 --> 00:48:27,137 To the tune of about 2.5 billion, not 20 billion, 858 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,032 I was a bit nervous that day. 859 00:48:29,034 --> 00:48:30,831 Then six months after he left office, 860 00:48:30,832 --> 00:48:32,790 Blair suddenly signed by jp morgan, 861 00:48:32,791 --> 00:48:35,343 For five million dollars every year. 862 00:48:35,345 --> 00:48:37,300 I was just trying to enlighten the public 863 00:48:37,301 --> 00:48:38,493 That there was corruption involved, 864 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,148 And not just bad decision making. 865 00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:44,234 - I'd like to find out how this gentlemen 866 00:48:45,662 --> 00:48:47,989 Managed to access the court. 867 00:48:47,998 --> 00:48:49,190 - There must be a back door in, 868 00:48:49,197 --> 00:48:50,775 Because they'd all gone out for tea at the time. 869 00:48:50,776 --> 00:48:51,882 And there was a courtroom, directly 870 00:48:51,883 --> 00:48:54,272 Underneath the courtroom that blair was in, 871 00:48:54,277 --> 00:48:55,725 And it was left unlocked. 872 00:48:55,728 --> 00:48:57,649 So I went through that one, up two floors 873 00:48:57,654 --> 00:48:59,952 Via the fire escape, and then to the door 874 00:48:59,957 --> 00:49:03,041 By this time my heart was pounding, like... 875 00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:05,188 You know, I was really going mad. 876 00:49:05,195 --> 00:49:07,182 And I actually lost my courage for the moment. 877 00:49:07,184 --> 00:49:08,782 So I went and sat down in a bathroom, 878 00:49:08,793 --> 00:49:10,931 I found a gentleman's toilet there, 879 00:49:10,938 --> 00:49:12,641 I did actually ring my mother, 880 00:49:12,642 --> 00:49:14,307 And I said, listen, I'm here, what shall I do? 881 00:49:14,315 --> 00:49:15,450 Do you think I should still go in? 882 00:49:15,451 --> 00:49:16,492 And my mum said, "yeah, go on, you 883 00:49:16,493 --> 00:49:18,063 "won't get another chance." 884 00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:19,177 And I thought, that's it, I'm in. 885 00:49:19,178 --> 00:49:21,890 The man is a war criminal! 886 00:49:28,548 --> 00:49:31,225 - augustine said, "that hope has 887 00:49:31,231 --> 00:49:34,921 "two beautiful daughters, anger and courage. 888 00:49:34,924 --> 00:49:37,100 "anger at the way things are, and courage 889 00:49:37,102 --> 00:49:39,211 "to see that they don't remain the way they are." 890 00:49:46,001 --> 00:49:47,704 You conserve two sets of principles, 891 00:49:47,705 --> 00:49:50,165 Privilege and power, or justice and truth. 892 00:49:50,167 --> 00:49:52,248 The more you make compromises with those 893 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:54,208 Who serve privilege and power, 894 00:49:54,209 --> 00:49:58,781 The more you diminish the capacity for justice and truth. 895 00:49:58,782 --> 00:50:01,526 And, I think that 896 00:50:02,758 --> 00:50:06,579 The rebel seeks to keep those who have power, fearful. 897 00:51:02,948 --> 00:51:04,518 - Peace, that's what we want. 898 00:51:04,527 --> 00:51:05,823 Freedom and peace. 899 00:52:26,879 --> 00:52:30,530 - So what if the guy threw a shoe at me? 900 00:53:02,577 --> 00:53:03,523 - I'm gonna read you the 901 00:53:03,525 --> 00:53:05,577 Sourcing, of the la times report, 902 00:53:05,578 --> 00:53:07,401 Paragraph one, u.S. Authorities say, 903 00:53:07,406 --> 00:53:10,206 Column one, still u.S. Officials said. 904 00:53:10,215 --> 00:53:13,154 Said one u.S. Justice department counter-terrorism 905 00:53:13,155 --> 00:53:15,260 Official, column two, officials said, 906 00:53:15,265 --> 00:53:18,481 U.S. Authorities say, u.S. Officials said, 907 00:53:18,484 --> 00:53:20,877 Those officials said, the officials confirmed. 908 00:53:20,882 --> 00:53:23,690 American officials complained, they said, 909 00:53:23,691 --> 00:53:28,203 U.S. Officials stressed, column three. 910 00:53:28,204 --> 00:53:31,231 U.S. Authorities said, jordanian officials said... 911 00:53:32,118 --> 00:53:33,877 We got a slight... 912 00:53:33,885 --> 00:53:35,172 No laughter please, we haven't finished yet. 913 00:53:35,179 --> 00:53:36,882 Several u.S. Officials said. 914 00:53:36,883 --> 00:53:39,626 Column four, u.S. Officials said. 915 00:53:39,628 --> 00:53:41,331 Several american officials said. 916 00:53:41,332 --> 00:53:43,224 Officials say, say u.S. Officials. 917 00:53:43,226 --> 00:53:45,496 But u.S. Officials said, one u.S. Counter-terrorism 918 00:53:45,498 --> 00:53:46,889 Official said, I'm not joking. 919 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:48,051 There it is. 920 00:53:48,055 --> 00:53:50,266 That is the journalism you're getting fed. 921 00:53:50,267 --> 00:53:51,739 And I sometimes think the la times 922 00:53:51,747 --> 00:53:53,223 And the new york times, should be called 923 00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:54,687 American officials say. 924 00:53:56,575 --> 00:54:00,330 - I denounced the call to invade iraq publicly. 925 00:54:00,331 --> 00:54:04,433 The new york times issued me a formal written reprimand, 926 00:54:04,434 --> 00:54:06,894 Which is what you get before you're fired, 927 00:54:06,895 --> 00:54:10,272 Under union rules, to stop speaking out against the war. 928 00:54:10,273 --> 00:54:11,853 I'd been the middle east bureau chief. 929 00:54:11,854 --> 00:54:14,528 I'd been in iraq, spent seven years in the middle east. 930 00:54:20,687 --> 00:54:24,216 How can you come out of gaza and not be angry? 931 00:54:24,223 --> 00:54:25,765 What's being done to those people. 932 00:54:25,768 --> 00:54:28,890 How can you come out of the sudan, 933 00:54:28,893 --> 00:54:31,703 El salvador, you know, dozens of other places 934 00:54:31,704 --> 00:54:34,162 I've been, and not be angry? 935 00:54:36,246 --> 00:54:39,970 I've seen the bodies of a lot of children. 936 00:54:39,971 --> 00:54:41,513 Which I can't forget. 937 00:54:48,682 --> 00:54:53,128 20 years, it, you know, fucks you up. 938 00:55:05,535 --> 00:55:08,307 Dostoevsky said, "hell is the inability to love, 939 00:55:08,314 --> 00:55:11,374 "and that's what kills people." 940 00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:14,402 I fully get why people blow their brains out. 941 00:55:14,405 --> 00:55:16,013 It's really hell. 942 00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:20,555 And, I don't use love as a kind of hallmark, 943 00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,927 Schmaltzy, you know, we all gotta love each other. 944 00:55:23,936 --> 00:55:26,642 I'm saying that the only way you're healed 945 00:55:26,650 --> 00:55:29,261 From those experiences is by re-establishing 946 00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:32,269 A connection with that kind of power. 947 00:55:33,245 --> 00:55:34,532 With another human being. 948 00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:37,851 And if you can't do that, you don't survive. 949 00:55:37,854 --> 00:55:40,125 And I have friends who couldn't do it, 950 00:55:40,126 --> 00:55:42,463 And they're not here anymore. 951 00:55:48,457 --> 00:55:51,929 It's the, you know, the power of love 952 00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:53,216 To transcend time. 953 00:57:05,442 --> 00:57:09,892 - That looks like a gaub 2-alpha 38 954 00:57:09,893 --> 00:57:12,731 That we used to have on our loches. 955 00:57:12,734 --> 00:57:15,667 A mini-gun that fired 4,000 rounds per minute. 956 00:57:15,669 --> 00:57:18,280 One of the manifestations of the national security state, 957 00:57:18,289 --> 00:57:22,234 Especially in the, sort of, apogee it's arrived at today, 958 00:57:23,811 --> 00:57:25,862 Is that it destroys diplomacy. 959 00:57:25,863 --> 00:57:28,795 It destroys the will to diplomacy, and it destroys 960 00:57:28,798 --> 00:57:30,757 The skill for diplomacy. 961 00:57:43,821 --> 00:57:45,619 - If you're a small state, like we were for 962 00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:48,865 150 years, in essence, vis-a-vis Spain, France, 963 00:57:48,871 --> 00:57:52,153 England, and even russia, you've got to be 964 00:57:52,154 --> 00:57:54,547 Exquisitely good at diplomacy. 965 00:57:54,552 --> 00:57:56,065 You've got to be able to talk yourself 966 00:57:56,066 --> 00:57:58,242 Out of lots of things, and make deals 967 00:57:58,244 --> 00:58:00,070 And compromises and so forth. 968 00:58:00,075 --> 00:58:01,248 But if you're the world's hedge men 969 00:58:01,249 --> 00:58:03,796 You don't deal with anybody, you smack 'em. 970 00:58:03,798 --> 00:58:05,624 You use your military and you smack 'em. 971 00:58:07,617 --> 00:58:12,281 - On may 3rd of 2003, the ambassador of switzerland 972 00:58:12,289 --> 00:58:16,224 To tehran, delivers a letter from iran to the United States. 973 00:58:17,936 --> 00:58:20,235 In that letter, the iranians essentially 974 00:58:20,241 --> 00:58:23,585 Offer negotiations to open up the nuclear 975 00:58:23,586 --> 00:58:26,519 Program for full transparency. 976 00:58:26,521 --> 00:58:28,477 The proposal came in. 977 00:58:28,478 --> 00:58:30,871 I happened to see it, because a copy 978 00:58:30,876 --> 00:58:32,390 Was also given to a member of congress 979 00:58:32,391 --> 00:58:34,788 That I worked for at the time. 980 00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:38,638 He sent it over to the white house and karl rove. 981 00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:40,436 Karl rove called back. 982 00:58:40,437 --> 00:58:42,547 He said that he found the proposal intriguing. 983 00:58:42,552 --> 00:58:44,784 He wanted to know if it was genuine. 984 00:58:44,793 --> 00:58:47,413 And he promised to put it in front of the president. 985 00:58:47,414 --> 00:58:50,383 - I would call karl rove a dear friend. 986 00:58:51,924 --> 00:58:53,948 - I've seen a man of farsighted courage. 987 00:58:53,949 --> 00:58:56,083 Put america on a war footing. 988 00:58:57,067 --> 00:58:59,309 And protect us against a brutal enemy, 989 00:58:59,310 --> 00:59:02,214 In a dangerous conflict that will shape this new century. 990 00:59:02,215 --> 00:59:06,025 - No form of response was given to the iranians at all. 991 00:59:06,032 --> 00:59:10,346 - I'm grateful to have been a witness to history. 992 00:59:10,356 --> 00:59:13,251 - And the argument was, that whatever could 993 00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:16,003 Come out of a negotiation with the iranians, 994 00:59:16,005 --> 00:59:18,493 Even more could be achieved by simply 995 00:59:18,498 --> 00:59:21,336 Removing the regime in iran. 996 00:59:21,339 --> 00:59:23,420 In a way to sum up the argument, however, 997 00:59:23,422 --> 00:59:27,366 The principle in the bush administration said 998 00:59:27,367 --> 00:59:30,205 That we simply do not talk to evil. 999 00:59:31,626 --> 00:59:33,831 - And as tony zini said, former central command commander, 1000 00:59:33,836 --> 00:59:36,920 "if you like to rock, you'll love iran." 1001 00:59:36,929 --> 00:59:40,240 That is a 10 to 14 year, 1002 00:59:40,243 --> 00:59:42,069 Three to four trillion dollar 1003 00:59:42,073 --> 00:59:45,195 Invasion, at the end of which the world, 1004 00:59:45,198 --> 00:59:48,850 Western asia, will look not much different 1005 00:59:48,859 --> 00:59:50,780 Than it does right now. 1006 00:59:50,784 --> 00:59:53,026 It'll still be in turmoil, still be in chaos, 1007 00:59:53,027 --> 00:59:57,216 And 70 plus million iranians will hate our living guts. 1008 00:59:59,084 --> 01:00:02,775 Went in to see the under-secretary of defense, 1009 01:00:02,776 --> 01:00:04,980 The ideas that wolfowitz shared with me, 1010 01:00:04,985 --> 01:00:08,769 He and secretary cheney in 91, 92, packaged them, 1011 01:00:08,773 --> 01:00:10,599 Re-tooled them, thought about them, 1012 01:00:10,603 --> 01:00:11,578 Went to the white house. 1013 01:00:11,582 --> 01:00:13,436 Briefed people like presidents. 1014 01:00:13,443 --> 01:00:17,198 America needs a new strategy, or forceable regime change. 1015 01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:21,049 So here this idea springs back up again in 2001. 1016 01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:24,772 I went through the pentagon, in November of 2001, 1017 01:00:24,773 --> 01:00:26,693 And one of the generals said, "sir I got this memo 1018 01:00:26,698 --> 01:00:28,717 "on my desk, it's... 1019 01:00:28,718 --> 01:00:32,530 "we're gonna go after seven countries in five years." 1020 01:00:34,902 --> 01:00:36,822 I said is that a classified memo? 1021 01:00:36,828 --> 01:00:38,972 He said, "yes sir! 1022 01:00:38,973 --> 01:00:40,326 "we're gonna start with iraq, and then we're 1023 01:00:40,330 --> 01:00:42,884 "gonna move to syria, lebanon, libya, 1024 01:00:42,886 --> 01:00:44,901 "somalia, sudan, and iran." 1025 01:00:53,994 --> 01:00:55,849 - I think it's highly probable the administration 1026 01:00:55,856 --> 01:00:59,035 Has already made the decision to go to war against iran. 1027 01:00:59,044 --> 01:01:02,790 There are already u.S. Troops inside iran. 1028 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,370 I wanna repeat that. 1029 01:01:04,378 --> 01:01:07,785 There are already u.S. Troops inside iran. 1030 01:01:07,786 --> 01:01:09,518 - The u.S. Has long had it's eyes set 1031 01:01:09,522 --> 01:01:12,171 On trying to impact regime change in iran. 1032 01:01:12,173 --> 01:01:14,065 And much of what you've seen the u.S. Doing, 1033 01:01:14,067 --> 01:01:17,056 With regards to iran, has been on a covert level. 1034 01:01:17,065 --> 01:01:18,796 - We've seen a report in the new yorker, 1035 01:01:18,801 --> 01:01:22,585 By seymour hersh, that a u.S. Source told him 1036 01:01:22,589 --> 01:01:24,736 That u.S. Marines were operating in the balochi, 1037 01:01:24,737 --> 01:01:28,300 Mazareh, and kurdish regions of iran. 1038 01:01:28,301 --> 01:01:30,477 Have you ever heard of that report? 1039 01:01:30,478 --> 01:01:32,058 - I've never heard of the report, I've never read the 1040 01:01:32,059 --> 01:01:34,297 Article, nor do I intend to. 1041 01:01:34,298 --> 01:01:36,786 - do you have any interest as to whether or not, 1042 01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:38,739 As the u.S. Ambassador? 1043 01:01:38,747 --> 01:01:40,229 - I don't... 1044 01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:44,964 U.S. Marines are actually operating in iran right now? 1045 01:01:44,965 --> 01:01:47,169 - I said I had not heard of the report, 1046 01:01:47,174 --> 01:01:50,958 And I didn't intend to read the article in the new yorker. 1047 01:01:50,962 --> 01:01:52,314 - if I gave you this article right now, 1048 01:01:52,318 --> 01:01:53,860 Walked it over, would you look at it? 1049 01:01:53,864 --> 01:01:55,756 - I don't think so honestly, congressman, 1050 01:01:55,758 --> 01:01:59,760 'cause I don't have the time to read much fiction. 1051 01:02:02,162 --> 01:02:05,095 - we have teams inside iran and these include 1052 01:02:05,099 --> 01:02:07,152 Joint special operation force, of our most 1053 01:02:07,153 --> 01:02:08,815 Elite commando unit. 1054 01:02:08,822 --> 01:02:11,055 It has been given executive authority by the president 1055 01:02:11,064 --> 01:02:13,079 In as many as 12 countries, to go in 1056 01:02:13,083 --> 01:02:17,217 And kill, we're talking about high value targets. 1057 01:02:17,218 --> 01:02:18,543 They're operating now, and they go into 1058 01:02:18,544 --> 01:02:21,070 Countries outside of the war zone, outside 1059 01:02:21,071 --> 01:02:23,244 Of afghanistan and outside of iraq, 1060 01:02:23,246 --> 01:02:25,082 Without telling the american cia station chief, 1061 01:02:25,083 --> 01:02:26,837 Or the american ambassador, they go in 1062 01:02:26,844 --> 01:02:28,509 Sterile and they kill people. 1063 01:02:30,694 --> 01:02:32,643 - We have to worry about the sort of dark side 1064 01:02:32,651 --> 01:02:34,959 If you will, when I spend time in the shadows, 1065 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,574 In the intelligence world. 1066 01:02:37,575 --> 01:02:42,151 Will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, 1067 01:02:42,152 --> 01:02:44,044 Using sources and methods that are 1068 01:02:44,046 --> 01:02:46,382 Available to our intelligence agencies. 1069 01:03:02,130 --> 01:03:04,968 - The doctrine that has endured from bush to obama 1070 01:03:04,971 --> 01:03:06,863 Is that the world is a battlefield. 1071 01:03:06,865 --> 01:03:08,757 And that the united states has the right 1072 01:03:08,759 --> 01:03:10,557 To go into any country around the world 1073 01:03:10,558 --> 01:03:12,513 To conduct, what they call, kinetic operations, 1074 01:03:12,514 --> 01:03:13,744 Lethal operations, regardless of 1075 01:03:13,745 --> 01:03:16,204 What international law says. 1076 01:03:17,531 --> 01:03:19,328 What is president obama's response to that? 1077 01:03:19,330 --> 01:03:21,222 How is he going to deal with it? 1078 01:03:21,224 --> 01:03:24,790 He embraced the very covert shadow forces 1079 01:03:24,791 --> 01:03:26,806 That a decade earlier had only been 1080 01:03:26,810 --> 01:03:28,833 Talked about in hushed tones in the pentagon. 1081 01:03:28,834 --> 01:03:32,046 Not just as the implementors of a policy that said 1082 01:03:32,049 --> 01:03:34,225 We should decapitate terror networks, 1083 01:03:34,227 --> 01:03:36,119 And engage in preemptive strikes, but they 1084 01:03:36,121 --> 01:03:38,325 Became the policy itself. 1085 01:03:43,632 --> 01:03:44,891 President obama's administration have built 1086 01:03:44,894 --> 01:03:46,947 Up something called the disposition matrix. 1087 01:03:46,948 --> 01:03:48,554 It's like an algorithm for determining 1088 01:03:48,554 --> 01:03:49,406 Who should be killed, or who should 1089 01:03:49,407 --> 01:03:51,043 We seek to capture. 1090 01:03:51,047 --> 01:03:52,313 And one of the more, sort of, grotesque aspects 1091 01:03:52,314 --> 01:03:54,107 Of this, is that there were actually meetings 1092 01:03:54,108 --> 01:03:55,716 On tuesdays, in the white house, 1093 01:03:55,717 --> 01:03:57,732 That have been nicknamed terror Tuesday meetings. 1094 01:03:57,737 --> 01:03:59,780 Where they're going through rosters of names 1095 01:03:59,788 --> 01:04:01,712 To put on, or take off the list. 1096 01:04:01,713 --> 01:04:02,999 Maybe someone within that group has been 1097 01:04:03,007 --> 01:04:05,523 In contact with someone that the u.S. Is watching. 1098 01:04:05,532 --> 01:04:07,386 They went to the same mosque as someone. 1099 01:04:07,393 --> 01:04:09,286 They keep ordering pizza from the same place 1100 01:04:09,287 --> 01:04:10,640 As a taliban leader. 1101 01:04:10,644 --> 01:04:12,441 And you decide, these guys are probably up 1102 01:04:12,442 --> 01:04:15,120 To no good, and so, on this particular day, 1103 01:04:15,125 --> 01:04:17,547 We're gonna remove them from planet earth. 1104 01:04:17,556 --> 01:04:19,599 - So now we're getting into minority report. 1105 01:04:19,607 --> 01:04:21,915 Into this sort of sci-fi world of pk dick. 1106 01:04:21,916 --> 01:04:25,221 Where it's justifiable homicide. 1107 01:04:25,224 --> 01:04:26,577 Even though it's for an act that might 1108 01:04:26,581 --> 01:04:28,879 Take place in the future. 1109 01:04:28,884 --> 01:04:30,965 It's okay to kill from a distance, 1110 01:04:30,967 --> 01:04:34,785 Without a warrant, without a trial, without a jury. 1111 01:04:34,786 --> 01:04:37,908 And the execution takes place off screen. 1112 01:04:52,082 --> 01:04:56,027 - Where appropriate, we will bring terrorists to justice. 1113 01:04:57,762 --> 01:04:58,614 - When... 1114 01:04:59,750 --> 01:05:01,320 - When we... 1115 01:05:01,329 --> 01:05:02,332 - We went... 1116 01:05:05,083 --> 01:05:07,173 - He went on to... 1117 01:05:08,649 --> 01:05:09,917 - We went on... 1118 01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:21,400 - We're addressing that ma'am. 1119 01:05:24,966 --> 01:05:28,693 - The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to. 1120 01:05:28,694 --> 01:05:32,509 Obviously I do not agree with much of what she said. 1121 01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:34,838 - The president is not implementing policies that 1122 01:05:34,846 --> 01:05:37,306 We need to see change, for example that he 1123 01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:39,862 Would stop the authorization of signature strikes. 1124 01:05:39,864 --> 01:05:41,378 Which means killing people only on the basis 1125 01:05:41,378 --> 01:05:44,344 Of suspicious behavior, that's led to the 1126 01:05:44,345 --> 01:05:45,982 Killing of many innocent people... 1127 01:05:45,987 --> 01:05:48,672 - You know I post the question on my facebook page, 1128 01:05:48,673 --> 01:05:51,507 And asked them what they wanted to ask you. 1129 01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:52,646 And a lot of them said that you were 1130 01:05:52,646 --> 01:05:55,328 Hurting your own cause, because, one, 1131 01:05:55,329 --> 01:05:58,139 You appeared rude to the president of the United States, 1132 01:05:58,140 --> 01:06:02,140 And two, you just seemed a little crazy. 1133 01:06:03,124 --> 01:06:04,921 - Well I think killing innocent people 1134 01:06:04,923 --> 01:06:06,405 With drones is rude. 1135 01:06:06,406 --> 01:06:08,450 I think not apologizing to the families 1136 01:06:08,457 --> 01:06:11,163 Of innocent people who are killed is rude. 1137 01:06:11,171 --> 01:06:13,536 There are a lot of rude things about our policies. 1138 01:06:13,538 --> 01:06:15,109 - I want to make sure the people understand, 1139 01:06:15,116 --> 01:06:16,346 Actually drones have not caused 1140 01:06:16,347 --> 01:06:18,428 A huge number of civilian causalities. 1141 01:06:18,430 --> 01:06:19,944 For the most part they have been very 1142 01:06:19,945 --> 01:06:22,811 Precise, precision strikes against al-qaeda. 1143 01:06:22,817 --> 01:06:24,775 - How do you expect the people of pakistan 1144 01:06:24,776 --> 01:06:27,205 Not to have anti-american sentiments 1145 01:06:27,206 --> 01:06:30,136 When day in, and day out, we hear about drone attacks 1146 01:06:30,139 --> 01:06:33,483 That kill more innocent people than militants? 1147 01:06:33,484 --> 01:06:35,064 How do you explain that? 1148 01:06:35,065 --> 01:06:38,154 - Well I do not believe that there is any 1149 01:06:38,155 --> 01:06:41,049 Basis for your comment. 1150 01:07:24,171 --> 01:07:27,037 - Lockheed martin, boeing, dyncorp international, 1151 01:07:27,044 --> 01:07:30,412 Computer sciences corporation, and aerovironment, 1152 01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:32,531 All told eric, about 70 companies 1153 01:07:32,536 --> 01:07:34,929 Are interested in this one billion dollar contract. 1154 01:07:34,934 --> 01:07:37,829 - As we look out three, five, seven, 10 years, 1155 01:07:37,837 --> 01:07:41,337 This market remains a very much a growth market. 1156 01:08:32,535 --> 01:08:35,060 - It's the disease of permanent war that destroyed 1157 01:08:35,061 --> 01:08:36,511 The middle east. 1158 01:08:36,512 --> 01:08:39,284 It's not islamic fundamentalism. 1159 01:08:40,866 --> 01:08:44,591 It empower all of those who profit from permanent war. 1160 01:08:44,592 --> 01:08:47,685 Politically, economically and militarily. 1161 01:08:48,725 --> 01:08:50,683 - Make no mistake, a nuclear armed iran 1162 01:08:50,684 --> 01:08:53,331 Is not a challenge that can be contained. 1163 01:08:53,333 --> 01:08:55,481 It would threaten the elimination of israel. 1164 01:08:55,482 --> 01:08:57,900 The security of gulf nations. 1165 01:08:57,909 --> 01:09:01,059 And the stability of the global economy. 1166 01:09:01,065 --> 01:09:02,768 It risks triggering a nuclear arms race 1167 01:09:02,769 --> 01:09:04,755 In the region, and the unraveling of the 1168 01:09:04,757 --> 01:09:06,772 Non-proliferation treaty. 1169 01:09:07,627 --> 01:09:10,465 - And how close is iran to getting it? 1170 01:09:10,469 --> 01:09:12,393 Well let me show you. 1171 01:09:12,394 --> 01:09:14,476 I brought a diagram for you. 1172 01:09:16,307 --> 01:09:18,076 Here's the diagram. 1173 01:09:21,576 --> 01:09:23,470 This is a bomb. 1174 01:09:23,471 --> 01:09:24,729 This is a fuse. 1175 01:09:25,616 --> 01:09:28,646 Where should a red line be drawn? 1176 01:09:28,647 --> 01:09:31,892 A red line should be drawn right here. 1177 01:09:33,947 --> 01:09:36,822 - The threat from iran is a political football. 1178 01:09:36,823 --> 01:09:38,902 What was interesting was that many israelis, 1179 01:09:38,904 --> 01:09:41,676 Including people from the military said, 1180 01:09:41,681 --> 01:09:45,522 As long as there is an existential threat, 1181 01:09:45,531 --> 01:09:49,316 Somewhere, somehow, that it is certainly helping 1182 01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,127 Us expand our budgets, in ways that 1183 01:09:52,128 --> 01:09:55,089 Is not possible to do in the absence 1184 01:09:55,095 --> 01:09:58,973 On anything that can be defined as such a threat. 1185 01:09:58,977 --> 01:10:00,898 - If you were iran what would you do? 1186 01:10:00,902 --> 01:10:04,626 I mean, israel has what, three to 400 nuclear weapons. 1187 01:10:04,627 --> 01:10:06,263 They're the ones who started the damn arms race 1188 01:10:06,268 --> 01:10:07,593 In the middle east anyway. 1189 01:10:07,594 --> 01:10:09,864 They didn't sign a non-proliferation treaty. 1190 01:10:09,866 --> 01:10:12,136 They built this program in secret. 1191 01:10:12,138 --> 01:10:15,675 India and pakistan then went on to do the same thing, 1192 01:10:15,676 --> 01:10:17,566 And iran, which did sign the nuclear 1193 01:10:17,567 --> 01:10:20,470 Non-proliferation treaty, looked around 1194 01:10:20,471 --> 01:10:22,363 And realized they'd gotten screwed. 1195 01:10:22,365 --> 01:10:24,285 - the obama administration wants to sell bunker 1196 01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:25,926 Buster bombs which can penetrate 1197 01:10:25,931 --> 01:10:28,834 20 feet of solid concrete to the uae. 1198 01:10:28,835 --> 01:10:30,254 The deal is the latest u.S. Arms sale 1199 01:10:30,254 --> 01:10:32,686 To members of the gulf cooperation council, 1200 01:10:32,687 --> 01:10:34,577 Six nations that neighbor iran. 1201 01:10:39,343 --> 01:10:42,209 - War has become a commodity for several reasons. 1202 01:10:42,216 --> 01:10:43,815 One is because you need somebody to 1203 01:10:43,825 --> 01:10:46,058 Buy the stuff you produce. 1204 01:10:46,066 --> 01:10:47,164 - another u.S. Arms deal 1205 01:10:47,170 --> 01:10:49,573 With saudi arabia is in the pipeline. 1206 01:10:49,574 --> 01:10:51,394 The biggest in history. 1207 01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:53,707 This deal alone surpasses the entire global 1208 01:10:53,708 --> 01:10:56,664 Arms sale already 57 billion dollars. 1209 01:10:58,152 --> 01:10:59,353 - saudi arabia does this enormous service 1210 01:10:59,354 --> 01:11:01,811 Of recycling the arms trade. 1211 01:11:03,010 --> 01:11:04,997 But war is also a business in another sense. 1212 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,808 There is a business that uses war to 1213 01:11:07,809 --> 01:11:09,852 Get it's ends established. 1214 01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:12,376 This is george orwell's 1984. 1215 01:11:13,456 --> 01:11:15,443 Two powers are always going to be in battle 1216 01:11:15,446 --> 01:11:17,272 And guess who's making out really well? 1217 01:11:17,276 --> 01:11:21,278 Of course the weapons dealers, and the people in power. 1218 01:11:24,565 --> 01:11:27,347 - Well the ultimate manifestation of the national 1219 01:11:27,348 --> 01:11:30,182 Security state is that it, not only 1220 01:11:31,131 --> 01:11:33,529 Seeks a perpetual state of war, 1221 01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:36,491 It will even go to all ends to create 1222 01:11:36,497 --> 01:11:38,894 That perpetual state of war. 1223 01:11:38,895 --> 01:11:41,638 - I am always reminded of a book 1224 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,074 I read a long time ago, called invisible man. 1225 01:11:46,341 --> 01:11:49,179 And that book has a beautiful sentence, 1226 01:11:50,444 --> 01:11:52,336 "I am an invisible man. 1227 01:11:52,339 --> 01:11:54,862 "not because I don't exist, but 1228 01:11:54,863 --> 01:11:57,134 "because you choose not to see me." 1229 01:11:57,136 --> 01:11:59,850 - Prince bandar do you know the bin laden family? 1230 01:11:59,851 --> 01:12:03,606 - This is ironic, in the mid 80's, if you remember 1231 01:12:03,607 --> 01:12:08,620 Supporting the mujahideen to liberate afghanistan 1232 01:12:09,601 --> 01:12:11,210 From the soviets. 1233 01:12:12,631 --> 01:12:16,008 Bin laden came to thank me for my efforts 1234 01:12:16,009 --> 01:12:18,346 To bring the americans, our friends, 1235 01:12:18,347 --> 01:12:22,099 To help us against the atheist, he said, the communist. 1236 01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:26,197 - When I last saw bin laden, in this camp 1237 01:12:26,203 --> 01:12:28,530 High in the mountains of afghanistan, 1238 01:12:28,539 --> 01:12:30,961 With an air raid shelter built into the living 1239 01:12:30,969 --> 01:12:34,129 Rock of the mountain, 25, 30 feet high, 1240 01:12:35,071 --> 01:12:37,501 That camp was built by the cia. 1241 01:12:37,502 --> 01:12:39,584 Later they tried to fire cruise missiles at it, 1242 01:12:39,586 --> 01:12:40,598 Of course they knew where it was. 1243 01:12:40,599 --> 01:12:41,759 They built it. 1244 01:12:43,623 --> 01:12:46,337 No wonder bin laden kept smiling at me. 1245 01:12:46,338 --> 01:12:47,946 No wonder he did. 1246 01:12:50,313 --> 01:12:53,974 - The american saudi arabia put one billion dollars each 1247 01:12:53,975 --> 01:12:57,097 To give them arms, training, equipment, 1248 01:12:58,550 --> 01:13:00,632 We are the ones who cleared all those people to go. 1249 01:13:00,634 --> 01:13:01,741 We and you. 1250 01:13:06,124 --> 01:13:08,395 - There must be something wrong with the way we think. 1251 01:13:08,397 --> 01:13:10,346 That we can't say that the grammar 1252 01:13:10,354 --> 01:13:12,936 Of the past, is operating today. 1253 01:13:14,140 --> 01:13:16,665 - We have been pumping money, a great deal of money, 1254 01:13:16,666 --> 01:13:17,801 Without congressional authority, 1255 01:13:17,802 --> 01:13:20,101 Without any congressional oversight. 1256 01:13:20,105 --> 01:13:21,749 Prince bandar of saudi arabia is putting 1257 01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:24,367 Up some of this money for covert operations 1258 01:13:24,368 --> 01:13:26,315 In many areas of the middle east where we want 1259 01:13:26,323 --> 01:13:28,120 To stop the shiite influence; they 1260 01:13:28,121 --> 01:13:29,881 Call it the shiite crescent. 1261 01:13:29,888 --> 01:13:31,487 - Thank you... 1262 01:13:31,497 --> 01:13:32,850 - the arabic word is fitna, civil war. 1263 01:13:32,854 --> 01:13:34,746 We're in a business right now of creating, 1264 01:13:34,748 --> 01:13:37,179 In some places, sectarian violence. 1265 01:13:39,356 --> 01:13:40,557 - it's an odd situation because 1266 01:13:40,558 --> 01:13:42,889 We are trying to destroy and liquidate 1267 01:13:42,890 --> 01:13:44,404 Al-qaeda and marlie, but trying to give 1268 01:13:44,405 --> 01:13:47,839 Arms training to them in northern syria. 1269 01:13:49,738 --> 01:13:51,403 It really is a world gone mad, 1270 01:13:51,411 --> 01:13:52,981 But oddly enough, you have to be in syria 1271 01:13:52,989 --> 01:13:55,136 To realize how mad it is. 1272 01:13:57,060 --> 01:13:58,602 When you actually are traveling around syria, 1273 01:13:58,605 --> 01:14:00,185 And you listen to the news coming out 1274 01:14:00,186 --> 01:14:02,927 Of washington, it's like americans are 1275 01:14:02,929 --> 01:14:04,376 Living in this kind of fantasy world 1276 01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:06,896 That bears no relation to planet earth, 1277 01:14:06,905 --> 01:14:08,929 Where I'm trying to report. 1278 01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:39,984 - Today there are good terrorists, and bad terrorists. 1279 01:14:39,985 --> 01:14:42,062 The bad terrorists are those in yemen, 1280 01:14:42,064 --> 01:14:44,523 Who the United States deems to be a threat. 1281 01:14:44,525 --> 01:14:46,956 The good terrorists are those who are in syria. 1282 01:14:46,957 --> 01:14:50,332 The joke here is we've been there before. 1283 01:14:50,333 --> 01:14:53,265 I mean, if you consider the afghanistan story, 1284 01:14:53,268 --> 01:14:55,037 They've learned nothing. 1285 01:15:02,105 --> 01:15:06,207 Today if I say that the saudis are giving money 1286 01:15:06,208 --> 01:15:09,046 To groups that are in syria, that are not only 1287 01:15:09,049 --> 01:15:12,180 Al-nusra, but also the isis. 1288 01:15:13,214 --> 01:15:14,406 People will say you are a conspiracy theorist, 1289 01:15:14,414 --> 01:15:15,956 But what I'm just trying to say is 1290 01:15:15,959 --> 01:15:18,447 In the moment of the contemporary, 1291 01:15:18,452 --> 01:15:22,302 This grammar of dangerous politics 1292 01:15:22,868 --> 01:15:24,609 Sounds insane. 1293 01:15:33,916 --> 01:15:37,734 So what appears to have been a conspiracy at the time, 1294 01:15:37,735 --> 01:15:41,453 When documents appear, turns out to be true. 1295 01:15:43,067 --> 01:15:45,432 - We must address the cycle of conflict, 1296 01:15:45,435 --> 01:15:48,235 Especially sectarian conflict, that 1297 01:15:48,243 --> 01:15:51,233 Creates the conditions that terrorists prey upon. 1298 01:15:51,241 --> 01:15:54,617 - in public they say, we have to end terrorism. 1299 01:15:54,618 --> 01:15:57,806 Meanwhile, this private work of getting involved 1300 01:15:57,807 --> 01:16:02,003 In conflicts stirs the pot, which produces 1301 01:16:02,004 --> 01:16:05,948 Characters that appear to become terrorists. 1302 01:16:05,949 --> 01:16:08,820 Which reinforces the public narrative, 1303 01:16:08,821 --> 01:16:12,416 And then makes things like intervention okay. 1304 01:16:13,143 --> 01:16:15,754 - Good morning everybody. 1305 01:16:15,764 --> 01:16:18,564 Last night on my orders, america's armed forces 1306 01:16:18,573 --> 01:16:21,884 Began strikes against isil targets in syria. 1307 01:16:29,555 --> 01:16:30,974 - just ahead of air strikes in syria, 1308 01:16:30,976 --> 01:16:34,571 Defense firms, lockheed martin, northrop, raytheon, 1309 01:16:34,574 --> 01:16:36,778 And general dynamics corporation all set 1310 01:16:36,782 --> 01:16:38,359 Stock price records. 1311 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,063 Their shareholders are making money off 1312 01:16:40,064 --> 01:16:44,709 The unusually large number of conflicts around the world. 1313 01:16:51,457 --> 01:16:52,715 - every two years or so, the israeli military 1314 01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:55,207 Attacks the gaza strip and right after 1315 01:16:55,212 --> 01:16:57,132 There is a trade show, in which israeli 1316 01:16:57,137 --> 01:16:59,313 Weapon companies show their technologies. 1317 01:17:00,829 --> 01:17:04,140 Which are becoming an increasingly important 1318 01:17:04,143 --> 01:17:05,808 And very significant part of the israeli 1319 01:17:05,816 --> 01:17:08,687 Economy depend on those wars. 1320 01:17:08,688 --> 01:17:11,715 They try to market, "we've already used 1321 01:17:11,718 --> 01:17:14,210 "that on actual human beings." 1322 01:17:14,211 --> 01:17:16,292 By making that claim they're able to compete 1323 01:17:16,294 --> 01:17:19,765 With weapon manufacturers from other countries. 1324 01:17:19,766 --> 01:17:20,929 The United States is the biggest 1325 01:17:20,933 --> 01:17:23,773 Supplier of military aid to israel. 1326 01:17:23,774 --> 01:17:25,477 This attack on gaza is also a trade show 1327 01:17:25,478 --> 01:17:28,382 For the united states arms industry. 1328 01:17:47,602 --> 01:17:49,296 - Iran and isis are competing for the 1329 01:17:49,306 --> 01:17:51,983 Crown of militant islam. 1330 01:17:51,989 --> 01:17:54,955 One calls itself the islamic republic. 1331 01:17:54,956 --> 01:17:57,858 The other calls itself the islamic state. 1332 01:17:57,859 --> 01:18:00,792 Both want to impose a militant islamic empire. 1333 01:18:00,795 --> 01:18:02,561 First in the region. 1334 01:18:02,562 --> 01:18:04,802 And then on the entire world. 1335 01:18:04,803 --> 01:18:06,506 They just disagree among themselves 1336 01:18:06,507 --> 01:18:10,167 Who will be the ruler of that empire. 1337 01:18:10,168 --> 01:18:13,034 In this deadly game of thrones, there's 1338 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,816 No place for america, or for israel. 1339 01:18:15,817 --> 01:18:18,814 - Today, after two years of negotiations, 1340 01:18:18,815 --> 01:18:22,126 The United States, together with our international partners, 1341 01:18:22,129 --> 01:18:23,520 Has achieved something that decades 1342 01:18:23,521 --> 01:18:25,410 Of animosity has not. 1343 01:18:26,389 --> 01:18:29,189 A comprehensive long-term deal with iran, 1344 01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:32,254 That will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon. 1345 01:18:32,260 --> 01:18:34,029 - This was a very difficult negotiations, 1346 01:18:34,030 --> 01:18:36,835 And part of it is because of this 1347 01:18:36,836 --> 01:18:39,674 Entrenched and compounded mistrust 1348 01:18:39,677 --> 01:18:41,730 That we have built between ourselves mutually 1349 01:18:41,731 --> 01:18:44,310 For the last three, four decades. 1350 01:18:44,316 --> 01:18:46,454 But I'm happy that, we simply write, 1351 01:18:46,462 --> 01:18:49,900 Diplomacy pre-write, that people exercised 1352 01:18:49,901 --> 01:18:52,143 A great deal of restraint and patience, 1353 01:18:52,144 --> 01:18:54,820 And wisdom, and we are where we are, 1354 01:18:54,825 --> 01:18:58,335 And I hope this will be a good beginning. 1355 01:19:00,347 --> 01:19:02,276 - as this nuclear deal goes through 1356 01:19:02,277 --> 01:19:03,787 We're still dealing with the problem 1357 01:19:03,788 --> 01:19:06,815 That the states of this region are collapsing. 1358 01:19:06,818 --> 01:19:08,521 And the void that they will fill, 1359 01:19:08,522 --> 01:19:12,466 You will see more violence and you will see more weapons. 1360 01:19:12,467 --> 01:19:13,697 It is important to understand 1361 01:19:13,698 --> 01:19:16,536 That that's not a result of this deal. 1362 01:19:16,538 --> 01:19:19,376 That is a result of the paradigm not shifting 1363 01:19:19,379 --> 01:19:21,300 Towards de-militarization, and collective 1364 01:19:21,304 --> 01:19:23,102 Security, soon enough. 1365 01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:26,513 - The saudis and the israelis are on the same page. 1366 01:19:26,514 --> 01:19:27,863 They worry about iran... 1367 01:19:27,867 --> 01:19:30,610 - And that's not new, they've been worried for a long... 1368 01:19:30,612 --> 01:19:31,785 - but can they do anything about it? 1369 01:19:31,786 --> 01:19:35,440 - Well they can get their own weapons. 1370 01:19:35,441 --> 01:19:36,983 - this is a region that has more arms 1371 01:19:36,987 --> 01:19:40,174 Per capita than any other region in the world. 1372 01:19:40,175 --> 01:19:42,038 Much thanks to the defense industry, 1373 01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:43,900 Israel and some of the arab states are 1374 01:19:43,901 --> 01:19:45,819 Going to be able to buy more weapons, 1375 01:19:45,823 --> 01:19:48,315 And more advanced weapons. 1376 01:19:48,316 --> 01:19:51,466 If the nuclear threat from iran is decreasing, 1377 01:19:51,472 --> 01:19:53,269 Why should these other countries 1378 01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:56,489 Get a chance to actually arm themselves more? 1379 01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:58,287 - Pakistan is a friend of saudi arabia. 1380 01:19:58,288 --> 01:20:00,085 Pakistan has nuclear weapons. 1381 01:20:00,087 --> 01:20:02,169 Are you in discussions with pakistan about, 1382 01:20:02,171 --> 01:20:05,989 Perhaps, getting a nuclear bomb from pakistan? 1383 01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:07,976 - But wolf we've known each other for 25 years, 1384 01:20:07,978 --> 01:20:11,384 You don't really expect me to answer this question. 1385 01:20:15,551 --> 01:20:17,282 - we're not going to have a truly 1386 01:20:17,288 --> 01:20:20,883 De-militarization in the region, unless 1387 01:20:20,886 --> 01:20:24,130 Israel's nuclear arsenal also is addressed. 1388 01:20:25,366 --> 01:20:26,596 The significant of this peace deal 1389 01:20:26,598 --> 01:20:28,679 Is that it is a game changer in the region. 1390 01:20:28,681 --> 01:20:30,507 And it's gonna be a question about the 1391 01:20:30,511 --> 01:20:32,375 Political willingness of leaders 1392 01:20:32,376 --> 01:20:35,050 To whether they will pursue these opportunities, 1393 01:20:35,056 --> 01:20:38,310 Or whether they will fall into the patterns of the past. 1394 01:20:58,790 --> 01:21:00,682 - Once you start a war, 1395 01:21:03,744 --> 01:21:06,109 You open a kind of pandora's box. 1396 01:21:06,112 --> 01:21:09,177 You don't control it, it controls you. 1397 01:21:10,875 --> 01:21:13,778 The use of that kind of violence has 1398 01:21:13,779 --> 01:21:16,740 Unforeseen consequences, that no one can predict. 1399 01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:20,280 And it propels you in directions 1400 01:21:20,281 --> 01:21:21,823 You never thought you'd go. 1401 01:21:21,827 --> 01:21:23,662 That's what war does. 1402 01:21:28,802 --> 01:21:33,466 So, the images of war are very carefully controlled 1403 01:21:33,473 --> 01:21:36,564 And countered by the lives that have 1404 01:21:36,565 --> 01:21:40,131 Been disseminated through every institution 1405 01:21:40,132 --> 01:21:43,508 In society, schools, government, 1406 01:21:43,509 --> 01:21:46,319 Entertainment, the press. 1407 01:21:47,957 --> 01:21:49,972 When you shatter the myth, 1408 01:21:49,978 --> 01:21:51,558 And when you understand, especially 1409 01:21:51,559 --> 01:21:53,826 What techno-war, industrial war is about, 1410 01:21:53,828 --> 01:21:56,761 Which is really about murder, about slaughter, 1411 01:21:56,764 --> 01:21:58,438 People would be so repulsed. 1412 01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,180 It would be very hard to wage war. 111352

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