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- still...
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We are at war.
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I'm responsible for the
deployment of thousands
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Of young americans, to
battle in a distant land.
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And some will kill.
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And some will be killed.
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And so I come here
with an acute sense
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Of the costs of armed conflict.
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Filled with difficult
questions about
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The relationship
between war and peace,
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And our effort to replace
one with the other.
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- okay
crib we copy that.
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We've got tv pictures again.
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- hefty,
black control systems.
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- they were five
months into world war I,
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Both sides were in trenches.
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They were just mass slaughter
across the landscape.
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Men were standing up sleeping.
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They were in their
own feces, and their
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Dead comrades were sitting
there in no man's land.
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They couldn't even get them and
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Bring them back for burial.
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It was christmas eve and
the german high command
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Had sent little christmas trees.
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It was like a stage
set, all of a sudden
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Across the german front, you saw
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These little christmas
trees lighting up,
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And then the allies
heard silent night
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Being sung by the germans.
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And they started applauding.
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And then all of a
sudden a couple of guys
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On both sides get
out of the trenches
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And start walking
toward each other.
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- And expecting any
moment to fall flat
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Through the machine
guns opening up.
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And nothing happened.
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And within two hours
we were walking about,
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And laughing and
talking and there
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Was nothing from
the german lines.
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- hundreds get
out of the trenches.
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Then thousands get
out of the trenches,
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And they embraced each
other, 100,000 men.
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- All no man's land as
far as we could see.
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It was grey and cocky.
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The early were
smoking and talking.
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Shaking hands,
exchanging names and
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Addresses for after the war,
to write to one another.
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- everybody back
in your trenches, you know.
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And shouting, the generals
behind must have seen it,
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And got a bit suspicious.
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So what they did,
they gave orders
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For a battery of guns
behind us to fire.
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And officers fired
their revolvers at
the gerry's, you know.
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Course that started
the war again.
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Woah we were
crushing 'em to hell.
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- this was a
war to end all wars.
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This was the war to make the
world safe for democracy.
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At least 21,000 new millionaires
were made in the u.S.
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Billions and billions of dollars
would be piled up by a few.
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Munition makers, ship
builders, meat packers.
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And let us not
forget the bankers,
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Who financed the great war,
who turned blood into gold.
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And their profits were as
secret as they were immense.
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All of them are
looking ahead to war.
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- I stand before you tonight
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In my red star chiffon
evening gown...
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My face softly made up, and
my fair hair gently waved.
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The iron lady of
the western world.
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- the
al-yamamah deal was this
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Extraordinary deal
between the united kingdom
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And saudi arabia, in which
ronald regean wanted to
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Sell the saudis
billions and billions
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Dollars worth of equipment.
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But the israeli
lobby stopped it.
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And congress
wouldn't approve it,
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Because they feared arming
saudi would threaten israel.
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So ronald reagan handed
the deal over, effectively,
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To his political soul
mate, margaret thatcher.
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- You ain't seen nothing yet.
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- You are a very
tough act to follow.
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- When we stumbled on
the saudi arms deal,
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The al-yamamah arms
deal, we really started
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To stumble on a central
feature of british politics,
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Over the last 30 years.
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- His royal highness,
prince bandar,
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Has been at the heart of
many of the great world
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Events of the past 30 years.
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I was always pleased to see
him when I was prime minister,
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Because he brought
me extraordinary
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Insights and bold proposals.
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- she informed
us, she considered
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Saudi arabia as a
strong friend, and would
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Be willing to
support the kingdom
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With whatever the kingdom needs.
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End of discussion, from
there on everything
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Else was technical.
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- He explained to
mrs. Thatcher that
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This was a deal
with saudi arabia,
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And therefore things
would end differently.
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They wanted 43 billion
pounds worth of weaponry.
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That was 6 billion
pounds in commissions.
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The vast majority, or what most
people understand as bribes.
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- We will continue to work
together against the terrorists,
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Who threaten the way of
life of our citizens.
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Was a man called eddy
cunningham, actually.
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He said, "I've been working
for a travel company,
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"and we had a kind
of slush fund, we use
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"to distribute to
saudis and other arabs
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"when they came to
britain, for bae,
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"all to help the path
of arms deals along."
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When saudi military
officers would come along,
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He would present them
with canteens of cutlery,
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That was something
that they liked.
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Another thing they
liked was girls,
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So he would take
them out on the town,
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And get them girls.
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- To be honest, it seemed
like quite small beer.
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Payments made, some of them for
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Rather un-islamic activities.
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Gaming chips, there were
talks about call girls,
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- There's only two things that
count in business my friend.
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Money and sex.
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The rest, you can write
as much as you like,
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Is absolute garbage.
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You can make a weapon beautiful,
depends on your secretary.
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Because, they are
more distracted
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Looking at your secretary's ass
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Than thinking what the
hell you're talking about.
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And that is, sometimes,
all the edge you need.
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I had to use an escort
agency called blue orchids,
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Because of the special taste of
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The chief of staff of the army,
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Who liked blondes
with silicone tits.
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We had their secretary
of the embassy
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Come and review the photos.
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And he said, "I want this
one, I want this one,
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"I want this one,
I want this one."
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I had the girls I arrived
with one day before.
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And I said, girls, I
know you've all been paid
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Handsomely for this
but, do me a favor,
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If you get any pillow
talk that is relevant
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Please bring it across
because I could use it.
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And for each,
interesting information,
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I will give another
3,000 year bonus.
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So with 60 grand, I signed a
contract worth three million.
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So it wasn't bad deal.
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- And then my phone rang again,
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And it was another whistle
blower and he said,
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"you have no idea what it is
that you're getting into here."
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And he said, "this
slush fund is much, much
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Our job was to look after
the really high level people.
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Those who used to
come to England,
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Who were being bribed,
essentially, by bae,
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Were people of the
level of the head of
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The saudi air force,
who was a royal prince.
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We would fly them
to los angeles,
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And they would buy
cars and dresses,
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And it wasn't shopping
like you and I would think.
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In the end, when they
gathered together all
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Their shopping, we would
charter an entire jumbo jet
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To fly it all back
to saudi arabia.
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- It was an attempt to
try and trace through
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The bank accounts who the
ultimate beneficiaries are
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That the case became
really very serious,
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As the trail appeared
to lead towards
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Senior members of the
saudi royal family.
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- the most outrageous
example was that bae,
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In order to smooth the
way with prince bandar,
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At one point made him
a president of a huge
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Commercial airliner,
all of his very own.
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Which he promptly had
painted in the grey
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And silver colors of
the dallas cowboys,
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Who were his favorite
american team.
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And he used to fly around
in that, quite cheerfully.
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- The case centered
on establishing the
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Ultimate beneficiaries
of exceptionally
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Large amounts of money
paid by british aerospace
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For consultancy services.
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- there's evidence
that mark thatcher,
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Mrs. Thatcher's son,
got 12 million in cash
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For his work as a fixer.
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- This is a fire nine mill.
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It's okay, it's not loaded.
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Don't worry.
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It's a very beautiful
weapon, it's austrian made.
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If you want to
sell on the market,
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And you're looking probably
at about 3,500 euros.
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- and why do
you keep it in the house?
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- because
I'm a soldier.
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- and you
can do that legally?
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- Yes and no, but yeah,
more or less you can.
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As long as it's in the house.
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And you don't shoot the
cat of the neighbor.
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I got nothing against
money, I don't mind paying
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Bribes to politicians,
it's part of the deal.
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The thing about
politicians is that
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They're very much
like prostitutes,
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But only more expensive.
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The politics is dictated by
the whims of the arms industry.
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Politicians are nothing more
than sales reps my dear friend.
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They have as much
power as a middle
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Ranking executive
in lockheed martin.
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At the end of the day
they do what they're told.
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- when an
executive goes to bribe
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A foreign official,
he says to himself,
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Look I've taken a lot
of risk to take this
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Five million dollars, that I'm
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Paying to the prime
minister of xyz.
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He makes an arrangement
with prime minister of xyz.
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I'll hand over the five million,
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But you take half of
that five million,
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And you send it to the following
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Bank account in switzerland.
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We'll share in this largess.
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The first time an
executive does that,
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And he collects 2.5
million dollars,
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He says, "wow, this is a
good business to be in."
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And within moments
of that realization,
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He is now no longer in the
business of selling airplanes,
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He's in the business
of selling bribes.
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And he's now scouring the world
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For somebody to find to bribe.
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# regrets
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# and I've had a few
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# but then again
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# too few to mention
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# I did
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# what I had to do
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# and saw it through
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# without exemption
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# I planned
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# each chartered course
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# each careful step
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# along the by-way
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# and more
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# much more than this
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# I did it
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# my way
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- And then the phone rang again.
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And this was somebody
who said, "you have
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"no idea what you're
getting into."
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He said, "this whole
bae thing is much,
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"much bigger, goes
right to the very top."
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What he had was
something that you
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Never see as a journalist.
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Swiss bank records of
international covert payments,
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Going all over the world.
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He showed me how bae had
set up a whole system
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With lloyds bank, under
which they channeled
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Secret payments into the
british virgin islands
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Offshore company
called red diamond.
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And from red diamond
the money went into
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This guy's swiss
bank account, and he
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Then used it to distribute
to the local politicians,
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Taking a big chunk
for himself of course.
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- I mean I can
certainly assure you,
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I mean that we, and I
believe most companies
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Are not in the business
of making payments
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Passing, as you suggest,
large sums of money
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I mean it is just not the
way me business is done.
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- We were actually
able to publish
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What was our most dangerous
story, that prince bandar
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Had been given not just a plane,
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But over the years, a total
of one billion pounds.
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- We did not invent
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Corruption.
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I mean adam and
eve were in heaven,
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And they had hanky-panky
and they had to
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Go down to earth, so...
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And this is human nature.
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- I salute a
prince, a statesman,
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And a friend.
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- What is greed?
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Of course none of us are greedy,
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It's only the other
fella who's greedy.
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This...
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The world runs on individual's
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Pursuing their
separate interests.
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- All those people who
believe that greed,
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Violence, et cetera,
these primal,
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So called primal instincts,
are the real instincts,
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And everything else is
a social construction,
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They've lost their mind.
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And for the last
50 years, at least,
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Policy has been made based
on the assumption of greed.
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And it's ruined the world.
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- Alright.
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- Mr. Reagan, if you would.
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- Patronites believe there
is no nature of society,
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So we have to nurture
individualism.
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I don't accept that at all.
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I think there are
very many, good public
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Policy initiatives
for creating society.
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Welcome to beirut.
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They are saying hello to you.
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There's a combination
ak-47 kalashnikov.
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A society that
decides that the bulk
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Of it's budget is going to
go to arms manufacturing,
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Building up a
military, et cetera,
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They have made a moral decision.
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That militarism
is more important
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Than the creation of
well-being for the population.
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It's not the world
I want to live in.
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I want to live in
the real world.
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And the real world is
people by real emotions.
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Including love and generosity.
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- My god, if you
want, is freedom.
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The freedom of human
beings, of individuals,
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To pursue their own values.
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- I think what the term freedom
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Means is economic license.
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And it's the economic
license of those
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Who control property, and
those who control capital,
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Has in fact been a threat,
not only to equality,
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But a threat to the
freedom of peoples
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All over the world,
and not only in europe
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And the united
states, but in africa,
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In asia, and in latin america.
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- I want you to
name me any society
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In which you've had any large
measure of that freedom.
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Where capitalism
and free enterprise
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Has not been the
predominate mechanism.
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- The free enterprise system
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Has spread through
the force of arms,
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And those arms were
wielded by governments.
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That was government
intervention,
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Under the name of the
free enterprise system,
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But a government
intervention which destroyed
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The freedoms of many people.
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Not least of which are
the people of chile.
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- From the 1950's, all the
way through the 1970's,
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The cia and the u.S.
Military were engaged
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In covert actions throughout
central and latin america.
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Throughout africa, really
throughout the world.
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Where they were assassinating
populist leaders,
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They were backing up
right-wing military juntas,
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Funding and arming
death squads, like the
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Contras in nicaragua, or
battalion 316 in honduras.
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And there were these
spate of assassinations
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Across the globe.
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- In countries like
mine, people have
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Been killed to be quiet.
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To know that any day,
any time you're going to
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Be killed, you don't know
how, but it's coming.
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We were fighting an
oligarch, and still
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We are fighting,
you know, oligarchs.
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Minds that don't want to
work on inclusiveness,
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But just extraction.
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It's not only about
taking from the earth,
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But taking from the people.
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Even your dreams get colonized.
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- The last half of what
is called the cold war,
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Turned out to be
a very hot war for
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Many parts of the world.
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From the standpoint of
what iqbal lamet calls
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The victims of, what I
will think of really as,
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Of people trying to
make their own futures.
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There was an attempt
in the global south
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To create an alternative
imagination for people.
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But in the early 1970's,
this attempt was destroyed.
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And it was stopped through
a real, genuine attempt,
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By the global law
to take over the
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Institutions of the
world, including
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The world bank, the imf.
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So, it's not simply
that the people
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Of the south were
incapable of carrying
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Forward their dreams.
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I use a very strong word.
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These dreams were assassinated.
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It's not just the
one off killings,
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The coup here, the coup there.
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It's the entire dream
that had to be killed.
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- The joint hearings
of the house select
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Committee to
investigate covert arms
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Transaction with iran.
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And the select committee
on secret military
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Assistance to iran and
the nicaraguan opposition.
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We will come to order.
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- Congress began to
address what they perceived
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To be an insanely out of
control series of covert
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Actions with little to no
congressional oversight.
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- We have been
supplying lethal weapons
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To terrorist nations,
involving the u.S. Government
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In military activities in
direct contravention of the law.
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And lying to the congress.
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Now I believe that
democracy cannot survive
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That kind of abuse.
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- And people like dick
cheney, and donald rumsfeld,
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Who were relatively new
to government at the time,
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Did not like when
congress said we need
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To step in and confront the
national security state.
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And what's become a very
out of control kill program.
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Cheney then went on, during
the reagan years in the 80's
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To serve in congress,
and when the iran-contra
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Scandal broke out into the open,
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Cheney did not like
congress being involved
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With anything that the
executive branch was doing.
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And you had this
utter scandal that
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Emanated from the highest
echelons of power.
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And the reagan
administration was acting
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As though it had
nothing to do with it.
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- I've told you all that I know.
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And you know, the
truth of the matter is,
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For quite some long
time, all that you knew
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Is what I told you.
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- did
they deceive you?
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You didn't answer whether
they deceived you.
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Mr. President!
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- Our witness this morning
is mr. Robert mcfarlane,
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The former national security
advisor to the president.
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Mr. Mcfarlane we
welcome you to the
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Committee and we look
forward to your testimony.
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- Mr. Mcfarlane,
did you have any
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Discussion about the possibility
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Of, in effect, farming out
the whole contra support
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Operations in nicaragua
to another country,
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Which we'll call country one?
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- Yes that's correct.
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- and did you,
in fact, succeed in obtaining
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Money from another country,
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Which we'll call country two?
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- That's correct.
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I had the practice of
meeting periodically
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With the official
from country two,
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About assistance
we could provide.
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In some cases arm sales.
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And he intended to
provide a contribution
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Of a million dollars per
month, to the contras,
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Through the end of the year.
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- you have no
problems working with the cia?
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00:25:12,861 --> 00:25:14,053
- We have no problem
working with the
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United states
government, and unless
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The cia does not work
for the United States
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Government, then I think
we have a bigger problem.
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00:25:19,583 --> 00:25:21,444
- There have been occasions
where some americans
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Have questioned
that, as you know.
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- Well thank heavens
those occasions
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Was not in connection
with saudi arabia.
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00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:42,620
- I think that there
was a substantial
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Shadow government, trying to run
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Foreign affairs for
the United States.
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00:25:48,143 --> 00:25:49,913
- These events have
been characterized
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By some pretty
strong statements.
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We've heard talk of a grave
constitutional crisis,
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00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:56,880
And even been
treated to talk about
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00:25:56,886 --> 00:25:58,810
A coup in the white house.
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00:25:58,811 --> 00:26:00,514
- Not only does
cheney, sort of, defend
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00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:03,665
Iran-contra, but he
argues that iran-contra
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Is actually a model
for how the u.S.
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00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,998
Should be conducting it's
national security policy.
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He is a radical
subscriber to this notion
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00:26:11,626 --> 00:26:13,484
Of the unitary executive.
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00:26:13,485 --> 00:26:14,715
Effectively what
you're doing is saying
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On certain parts
of american policy
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We don't have a democracy,
we have a dictatorship.
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00:26:20,366 --> 00:26:21,283
- As a matter of fact I was...
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00:26:22,575 --> 00:26:25,006
Very definitely involved
in the decisions
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About support to the
freedom fighters.
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My idea to begin with.
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- In my opinion there's
no justification
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00:26:32,831 --> 00:26:34,505
For further restrictions
on the power
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And flexibility of
future presidents.
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00:26:43,875 --> 00:26:45,963
- The national security
league today is mostly
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Composed of people
who hit the revolving
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00:26:48,137 --> 00:26:50,720
Door multiple times
during their life.
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00:26:50,725 --> 00:26:52,012
- the nomination
of richard b. Cheney
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To be secretary of
defense is confirmed.
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00:26:54,612 --> 00:26:56,623
- they make a name
for themselves in the private
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Industry, and then they
come into the government.
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This revolving door keeps
the national security league
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00:27:03,137 --> 00:27:06,091
Very small, and very wealthy.
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00:27:06,096 --> 00:27:08,715
And increasing it's wealth
as it goes up the chain.
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00:27:08,716 --> 00:27:10,674
To the extent that then,
when you get to the top
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00:27:10,675 --> 00:27:12,564
As cheney did,
then you can become
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A member of the plutocracy,
that runs the country too.
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00:27:16,038 --> 00:27:17,239
- This is an impressive crowd.
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00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,845
The have's.
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And the have more's.
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- Cheney commissioned a
study, by halliburton,
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To find out how much more
of the defense department
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00:27:27,371 --> 00:27:28,559
Could be privatized.
482
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- halliburton.
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00:27:29,455 --> 00:27:31,246
Proud to serve our troops.
484
00:27:31,247 --> 00:27:33,678
- Halliburton was elated
to get this million
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00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:36,355
Dollar contract, and
of course returned
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00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,820
A verdict that,
"oh, mr. Secretary,
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00:27:38,822 --> 00:27:41,811
"lots more of it
can be privatized."
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00:27:46,741 --> 00:27:48,501
- Dick cheney leaves
the defense department
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00:27:48,509 --> 00:27:50,307
And goes and heads
halliburton himself.
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00:27:50,307 --> 00:27:52,351
And he spends the
entire 1990's, building
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00:27:52,358 --> 00:27:55,159
Up the halliburton war empire.
492
00:27:55,167 --> 00:27:57,598
- Well, if we're gonna
talk about star wars,
493
00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,527
We might as well
invite darth vader.
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00:28:07,348 --> 00:28:09,524
I'm happy to accept.
495
00:28:09,527 --> 00:28:12,053
- Then he comes back into
power as vice president,
496
00:28:12,054 --> 00:28:14,672
And then they start
hiring halliburton to...
497
00:28:14,673 --> 00:28:17,452
In advance even of u.S.
Troops going in to iraq,
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00:28:17,453 --> 00:28:19,369
Halliburton personnel
and equipment was
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00:28:19,374 --> 00:28:20,670
Being deployed to the gulf.
500
00:28:20,671 --> 00:28:22,399
It's hard to look
at this and not say,
501
00:28:22,404 --> 00:28:24,703
These guys had a
very long term plan
502
00:28:24,708 --> 00:28:26,978
For how they were
going to increase
503
00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:30,896
The powerful infrastructure
of private companies.
504
00:28:32,659 --> 00:28:35,052
What we've essentially
done is to create
505
00:28:35,058 --> 00:28:38,558
A network of corporations
that have the
506
00:28:38,561 --> 00:28:41,558
Fire power of small
nation-states.
507
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,302
That could, you
know, overthrow some
508
00:28:44,304 --> 00:28:47,142
Small governments
around the world.
509
00:28:48,217 --> 00:28:50,241
- In essence, we in
the United States
510
00:28:50,242 --> 00:28:54,022
Have privatized the ultimate
public function, war.
511
00:29:04,344 --> 00:29:07,939
- You know bombs have got a
time limit, they're like food.
512
00:29:07,942 --> 00:29:11,821
You know munitions has got,
you know, sell-by dates.
513
00:29:11,825 --> 00:29:12,988
You gotta get rid of it.
514
00:29:31,295 --> 00:29:34,351
In iraq, the f-16s
and f-18s were firing
515
00:29:34,357 --> 00:29:36,476
Six million dollars
within seconds,
516
00:29:36,477 --> 00:29:40,038
Coming back, re-arming
and going up again.
517
00:29:51,683 --> 00:29:53,641
- there's no
hope of ending war,
518
00:29:53,642 --> 00:29:55,276
Because there's
always a small cobble
519
00:29:55,281 --> 00:29:59,103
Of people for whom war is
really, really good business.
520
00:30:00,708 --> 00:30:03,829
It doesn't matter that we're
losing the war in afghanistan.
521
00:30:03,833 --> 00:30:05,757
Halliburton could care less.
522
00:30:05,758 --> 00:30:08,909
It's good for them,
good for profit.
523
00:30:56,035 --> 00:30:57,521
Well we've undergone a corporate
524
00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:59,790
Coup d'etat, in slow motion.
525
00:30:59,792 --> 00:31:01,873
To quote john ralston saul.
526
00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:04,335
35,000 lobbyists in
washington, they write
527
00:31:04,337 --> 00:31:07,487
The legislation,
they write the bills.
528
00:31:07,493 --> 00:31:10,047
- All it takes is
one phone call,
529
00:31:10,049 --> 00:31:11,875
From somebody on
the hill, to someone
530
00:31:11,879 --> 00:31:14,878
In the pentagon, saying,
"hey, turn on the dogs,
531
00:31:14,879 --> 00:31:16,419
"the hill's out to
get our program.
532
00:31:16,423 --> 00:31:18,315
"the guy's in the
senate aren't on board,
533
00:31:18,317 --> 00:31:20,171
"we need you to turn
on the gucci shoe guys
534
00:31:20,179 --> 00:31:21,541
"to straighten this thing out."
535
00:31:21,542 --> 00:31:24,373
The gucci shoe guys
being the lobbyists.
536
00:31:24,376 --> 00:31:26,363
And what this does is
just lock the system up,
537
00:31:26,365 --> 00:31:27,443
And that's the whole
name of the game.
538
00:31:27,444 --> 00:31:29,954
It's called political
engineering.
539
00:31:29,962 --> 00:31:33,775
And unlike political science,
political engineering is real.
540
00:31:35,674 --> 00:31:37,849
One of the most important
things to understand,
541
00:31:37,852 --> 00:31:40,340
It essentially
creates what we call
542
00:31:40,345 --> 00:31:42,965
A self-licking ice-cream cone.
543
00:31:43,942 --> 00:31:45,900
And it's like a
perpetual motion machine
544
00:31:45,901 --> 00:31:48,926
For getting ever
increasing defense budgets.
545
00:31:48,929 --> 00:31:51,162
The way we do it is
by downplaying the
546
00:31:51,170 --> 00:31:53,761
Future consequences
to start a new weapon.
547
00:31:53,762 --> 00:31:55,584
We over promise
it's performance,
548
00:31:55,589 --> 00:31:57,670
Under promise it's cost.
549
00:31:57,672 --> 00:32:00,510
We then, systematically
spread dollars, jobs
550
00:32:00,513 --> 00:32:03,190
And profits to as many
congressional districts
551
00:32:03,196 --> 00:32:05,183
As quickly as possible,
so that everybody
552
00:32:05,185 --> 00:32:06,916
Has skin in the game.
553
00:32:10,138 --> 00:32:12,634
- The people who are
invested in this stage,
554
00:32:12,635 --> 00:32:15,470
Are people like the largest
defense contractor in the world.
555
00:32:15,472 --> 00:32:17,017
Lockheed martin.
556
00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:20,329
They will die before
they see it go.
557
00:32:20,332 --> 00:32:22,007
- and while
we don't know what's
558
00:32:22,008 --> 00:32:24,341
Going to change the world next,
559
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:28,531
We're probably
already working on it.
560
00:32:31,472 --> 00:32:33,204
- Lockheed martin
basically gets in
561
00:32:33,209 --> 00:32:35,990
Like an octopus, and
lifts it's tentacles,
562
00:32:35,991 --> 00:32:38,418
You know, in all branches
of the government.
563
00:32:38,419 --> 00:32:40,366
And then they hold them.
564
00:32:41,856 --> 00:32:44,539
And that's how they operate.
565
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:48,674
They make the mafia look
like a bunch of schoolboys.
566
00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:52,430
- Fiscal year 1999,
2.3 trillion missing.
567
00:32:52,431 --> 00:32:55,931
Fiscal year 2000,
1.1 trillion missing.
568
00:32:55,934 --> 00:32:58,015
The pentagon has
claimed, year after year,
569
00:32:58,017 --> 00:32:59,909
That the reason it can't
account for the money
570
00:32:59,911 --> 00:33:01,926
Is because it's computers
don't communicate
571
00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:03,697
With each other.
572
00:33:03,698 --> 00:33:05,429
- one
trillion, one dollar bills,
573
00:33:05,434 --> 00:33:09,407
Stacked high would reach
nearly 68,000 miles into space.
574
00:33:09,411 --> 00:33:12,277
One third of the
way to the moon.
575
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:15,748
- I got a
phone call from the fbi
576
00:33:15,754 --> 00:33:18,877
Saying that I was a
target of a death threat.
577
00:33:18,878 --> 00:33:21,679
And that's what happens
when you go against
578
00:33:21,687 --> 00:33:22,756
The big boys.
579
00:33:23,706 --> 00:33:26,325
Who has the contracts
today, to make
580
00:33:26,326 --> 00:33:28,502
Those systems communicate
with each other?
581
00:33:28,504 --> 00:33:31,437
And how much have the
tax payers paid for them?
582
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,038
- There are times
that corporations
583
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:35,319
Do things they should
not do, in which case
584
00:33:35,321 --> 00:33:37,781
They tend to be suspended
for some period.
585
00:33:37,783 --> 00:33:39,419
There are times then
that corporations
586
00:33:39,424 --> 00:33:40,994
Can get out of the penalty
box, if you will...
587
00:33:41,002 --> 00:33:43,877
- This company was never
in the penalty box.
588
00:33:43,878 --> 00:33:46,400
If you could proceed to
my second question please.
589
00:33:46,401 --> 00:33:48,509
- The second question...
590
00:33:53,973 --> 00:33:57,700
I've forgotten what the
second question was.
591
00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:04,670
- Individuals operating
in the shadows,
592
00:34:04,671 --> 00:34:07,131
And never having
their names called,
593
00:34:07,133 --> 00:34:10,822
Are able to leverage the
power of the military
594
00:34:10,825 --> 00:34:13,124
And the foreign
policy apparatus for
595
00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:15,872
Their own personal
pecuniary ends.
596
00:34:18,461 --> 00:34:19,502
- What now?
597
00:34:19,504 --> 00:34:23,164
How do we justify
all this tanks,
598
00:34:23,165 --> 00:34:25,379
All this planes,
all this bullshit?
599
00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:28,269
What better new enemy
than an hypothetical
600
00:34:28,277 --> 00:34:31,778
Invisible enemy called
the war on terror?
601
00:36:22,948 --> 00:36:24,556
- I think at the
most basic level,
602
00:36:24,558 --> 00:36:27,434
When we realize how
we've entered into
603
00:36:28,723 --> 00:36:31,145
A permanent state
of war, like what
604
00:36:31,155 --> 00:36:33,737
Often proponents of
605
00:36:34,815 --> 00:36:36,016
Counter-terrorism
on a global scale,
606
00:36:36,017 --> 00:36:37,783
Think of as a long
war, but a war
607
00:36:37,784 --> 00:36:40,648
Without end,
something like that.
608
00:36:44,819 --> 00:36:48,064
And I think that
what we've accepted
609
00:36:48,070 --> 00:36:50,937
Is a political regime
610
00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:53,087
That is sustained by fear.
611
00:36:53,088 --> 00:36:54,791
This is a very old...
612
00:36:54,792 --> 00:36:56,750
It's a very old
political tactic.
613
00:36:56,751 --> 00:37:00,182
I mean, machiavelli
asks in the prince,
614
00:37:00,188 --> 00:37:02,610
"is it better for the prince
to be feared or loved?"
615
00:37:02,618 --> 00:37:06,184
And his conclusion
is, because the locus
616
00:37:06,185 --> 00:37:09,340
Of fear, the source of
fear resides in him,
617
00:37:09,341 --> 00:37:12,812
In the prince, it can be
constant for his rule.
618
00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:16,057
Whereas the locus of love,
resides in the people.
619
00:37:16,063 --> 00:37:17,633
It's in their power.
620
00:37:17,641 --> 00:37:21,332
And so for them could be
constant, and long lasting.
621
00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:23,443
So machiavelli already
opens a question that
622
00:37:23,448 --> 00:37:26,039
He probably doesn't
provide us the answer with,
623
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,997
What would it mean to have
our social arrangement,
624
00:37:29,003 --> 00:37:31,812
Like the basis of
our social choices,
625
00:37:33,105 --> 00:37:34,647
Be founded on love?
626
00:37:37,491 --> 00:37:39,440
- I don't think one
has to justify the cost
627
00:37:39,449 --> 00:37:41,587
And nature of the
national security state,
628
00:37:41,594 --> 00:37:44,470
One just has to keep the
people fearful enough
629
00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,075
To support it.
630
00:37:46,075 --> 00:37:47,523
- But what I want to bring
to your attention today
631
00:37:47,527 --> 00:37:50,554
Is the potentially much
more sinister nexus
632
00:37:50,557 --> 00:37:54,369
Between iraq and the
al-qaeda terrorist network.
633
00:37:54,376 --> 00:37:57,365
- Every word in that
speech was gone over by
634
00:37:57,374 --> 00:37:59,992
The director of
central intelligence,
635
00:37:59,993 --> 00:38:01,356
And his deputy director.
636
00:38:01,357 --> 00:38:03,904
So there's nothing
that I made up.
637
00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:05,798
There was nothing
that I stuck in there.
638
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,474
And in fact, some
people tried to stick
639
00:38:07,475 --> 00:38:09,648
Extra things in there,
that the intelligence
640
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:12,394
Community wouldn't verify
with multi-sourcing.
641
00:38:12,396 --> 00:38:13,562
And I said no.
642
00:38:13,563 --> 00:38:16,363
- Powell grabbed me, physically,
643
00:38:16,372 --> 00:38:20,118
Which was unlike him,
and drug me into a space
644
00:38:20,127 --> 00:38:23,155
At the cia, at
langely, and said,
645
00:38:23,157 --> 00:38:26,628
"throw all the material
in my presentation
646
00:38:26,629 --> 00:38:29,401
"about terrorism
out, cut it out."
647
00:38:29,407 --> 00:38:30,722
- About this amount,
this is just about...
648
00:38:30,732 --> 00:38:33,438
- Within an hour, george
tenet, the director
649
00:38:33,446 --> 00:38:36,880
Of central intelligence,
made a spectacular
650
00:38:36,886 --> 00:38:39,062
Bombshell presentation.
651
00:38:39,064 --> 00:38:40,861
We have just learned
from a high level
652
00:38:40,862 --> 00:38:43,733
Al-qaeda operative,
under interrogation,
653
00:38:43,734 --> 00:38:46,478
About significant
contacts between
654
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,289
Baghdad's mukhabarat,
and al-qaeda.
655
00:38:51,338 --> 00:38:53,230
This was devastating.
656
00:38:54,116 --> 00:38:56,357
Here's a director of
central intelligence
657
00:38:56,358 --> 00:38:58,755
Telling the secretary of state
658
00:38:58,756 --> 00:39:01,753
That he has
interrogated evidence.
659
00:39:01,754 --> 00:39:03,419
Well the secretary
turned to me and said,
660
00:39:03,427 --> 00:39:05,375
"put it back in."
661
00:39:05,383 --> 00:39:07,689
- al-qaeda continues
to have a deep interest
662
00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:10,402
In acquiring weapons
of mass destruction.
663
00:39:10,403 --> 00:39:13,078
As with the story of
zarqawi and his network,
664
00:39:13,084 --> 00:39:16,593
I can trace the story of a
senior terrorist operative
665
00:39:16,594 --> 00:39:19,141
Telling how iraq
provided training
666
00:39:19,143 --> 00:39:21,631
In these weapons to al-qaeda.
667
00:39:21,636 --> 00:39:23,499
- Later I learn that
was sheikh al libi.
668
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,052
That it hadn't just
instantly happened.
669
00:39:26,053 --> 00:39:28,103
It had happened months before.
670
00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:31,226
That he'd been water-boarded
in egypt, when he did this.
671
00:39:31,229 --> 00:39:33,689
No u.S. Personnel were present.
672
00:39:33,691 --> 00:39:36,491
And he had recanted
within a couple of weeks,
673
00:39:36,499 --> 00:39:38,609
And we never were
told about that.
674
00:39:38,614 --> 00:39:40,317
- Every statement I
make today is backed
675
00:39:40,318 --> 00:39:42,809
Up by sources, solid sources.
676
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:44,570
These are not assertions.
677
00:39:44,577 --> 00:39:46,592
What we're giving you
are facts and conclusions
678
00:39:46,597 --> 00:39:49,057
Based on solid intelligence.
679
00:39:50,005 --> 00:39:53,070
- We were, indisputably,
we were lied to.
680
00:39:54,549 --> 00:39:56,498
- at this hour,
american and coalition
681
00:39:56,507 --> 00:39:59,723
Forces are in the early
stages of military operations,
682
00:39:59,726 --> 00:40:02,214
To disarm iraq, to
free it's people,
683
00:40:02,219 --> 00:40:04,432
And to defend the world
from grave danger.
684
00:40:04,433 --> 00:40:07,862
- As karl rove famously
said to this reporter,
685
00:40:07,867 --> 00:40:10,897
"now you guys are reality
based communities.
686
00:40:10,898 --> 00:40:12,061
"we make reality.
687
00:40:12,065 --> 00:40:13,834
"by the time you
figured out, you know,
688
00:40:13,835 --> 00:40:15,374
"what's wrong with our reality,
689
00:40:15,378 --> 00:40:17,431
"we've moved on to the
creation of another reality."
690
00:40:17,432 --> 00:40:20,267
- Did you sell or cause to
come into the possession
691
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:22,985
Of saddam hussein weapons
of mass destruction?
692
00:40:22,986 --> 00:40:27,184
- Did the United States
sell to him, absolutely not.
693
00:40:29,832 --> 00:40:31,980
- Iran-iraq was on
such a scale, and I was
694
00:40:31,981 --> 00:40:34,844
On the iranian side, and I
went down to the battle point.
695
00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:37,432
I was actually given a gas kit.
696
00:40:37,438 --> 00:40:39,236
And so they let me
take the train back,
697
00:40:39,236 --> 00:40:40,532
Right all the way up to tehran.
698
00:40:40,533 --> 00:40:43,179
And the carriages were
crammed with iranian
699
00:40:43,181 --> 00:40:44,790
Soldiers who'd been gassed.
700
00:40:44,791 --> 00:40:46,465
Some were just
coughing, retching it.
701
00:40:46,466 --> 00:40:48,705
And one man was
reading the quran,
702
00:40:48,706 --> 00:40:50,435
And he would sort of
put a handkerchief
703
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,834
And wipe the blood off his lips.
704
00:40:53,784 --> 00:40:55,713
Gradually the corridors
became permeated
705
00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:57,536
With a sort of very sick smell.
706
00:40:57,541 --> 00:40:59,055
And I realized it
was the smell of
707
00:40:59,056 --> 00:41:00,853
The gas that they were
coughing up from their lungs,
708
00:41:00,854 --> 00:41:02,055
And I was going
along the corridors,
709
00:41:02,056 --> 00:41:03,945
Opening all the windows
in the night air,
710
00:41:03,946 --> 00:41:05,838
Trying to clean the
train out of this smell
711
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,612
Of, obviously, chemical warfare.
712
00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:14,265
After 2003 I was being
attacked on radio shows,
713
00:41:14,267 --> 00:41:15,844
Especially from america.
714
00:41:15,845 --> 00:41:17,104
Well you're complaining
about the american invasion,
715
00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:20,002
And I said, excuse
me I was on the train
716
00:41:20,011 --> 00:41:23,387
Of iranians gassed
by the iraqis.
717
00:41:23,388 --> 00:41:25,696
And the chemical components
came from the United States.
718
00:41:25,697 --> 00:41:29,693
At the very time that your
rumsfeld was meeting saddam.
719
00:41:30,741 --> 00:41:33,257
- You were meeting
with saddam hussein.
720
00:41:33,266 --> 00:41:34,931
I think we have
some video of that.
721
00:41:34,939 --> 00:41:36,295
Of that meeting.
722
00:41:36,296 --> 00:41:39,039
Tell me what was going
on during this meeting.
723
00:41:39,041 --> 00:41:41,567
- Where did you get this video,
from the iraqi television...
724
00:41:41,568 --> 00:41:44,470
- When did they give it to
you, recently, or back then?
725
00:41:44,471 --> 00:41:46,550
- We've dug this out
of the cnn library.
726
00:41:46,552 --> 00:41:48,318
- I see.
727
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,174
Isn't that interesting.
728
00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:51,915
There I am.
729
00:42:08,235 --> 00:42:10,978
- our war on terror,
730
00:42:10,981 --> 00:42:12,656
Begins with al-qaeda.
731
00:42:13,694 --> 00:42:14,801
But it does not end there.
732
00:42:17,987 --> 00:42:19,596
- This very phrase,
war on terror,
733
00:42:19,597 --> 00:42:21,678
Is irrational.
734
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,592
It's like saying, a war on war.
735
00:42:25,593 --> 00:42:28,242
A war on violence, a war that...
736
00:42:28,244 --> 00:42:29,786
It's nonsense.
737
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:31,077
You're stepping into
this possibility of, kind
738
00:42:31,084 --> 00:42:32,759
Of, perpetual war.
739
00:42:33,703 --> 00:42:36,512
- Good morning
darling, how are you?
740
00:42:37,648 --> 00:42:39,388
- They lack at reassuring us,
741
00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:41,750
And we kept believing
him, because
742
00:42:41,751 --> 00:42:43,388
You don't want to think
your prime minister
743
00:42:43,393 --> 00:42:45,190
Is deceiving you in
the route to a war,
744
00:42:45,191 --> 00:42:47,745
There's nothing more serious.
745
00:42:48,345 --> 00:42:51,912
# we can change the world
746
00:42:51,914 --> 00:42:53,739
- When the serious
fraud office launched
747
00:42:53,744 --> 00:42:55,977
It's investigation
into all the crimes
748
00:42:55,985 --> 00:42:58,473
That we were uncovering,
it turned out
749
00:42:58,478 --> 00:43:00,115
That many of these
arms deals had
750
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,364
Been forced through by
tony blair, personally.
751
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:05,196
- He's a dedicated
arms salesman.
752
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,717
Whatever that was at his
feet, ever, in government,
753
00:43:07,725 --> 00:43:10,119
He always backed the arms sale.
754
00:43:10,123 --> 00:43:12,649
- the serious fraud
office got to the brink
755
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:15,799
Of uncovering the secret
swiss bank accounts,
756
00:43:15,804 --> 00:43:19,588
By which bae was funneling
money to the saudi royal family.
757
00:43:19,592 --> 00:43:21,077
The swiss said
we're gonna notify
758
00:43:21,078 --> 00:43:22,901
The bank account holders.
759
00:43:22,906 --> 00:43:26,851
Bandar flew to london and
blair swung into action.
760
00:43:30,101 --> 00:43:32,022
He ordered the
serious fraud office
761
00:43:32,027 --> 00:43:33,540
To close down their
investigation.
762
00:43:33,541 --> 00:43:36,095
# we can change the world
763
00:43:36,097 --> 00:43:39,408
- Prince bandar said if the
investigation continued,
764
00:43:39,411 --> 00:43:43,129
They would withdraw national
security cooperation.
765
00:43:43,136 --> 00:43:45,785
Which would lead, in the
words of prince bandar,
766
00:43:45,786 --> 00:43:48,691
"to blood on the
streets of london."
767
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:53,261
- the story we've
been banging away at,
768
00:43:53,267 --> 00:43:55,565
For more than five
years, suddenly
everybody woke up to it,
769
00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:57,434
Because everybody
could see it was a huge
770
00:43:57,435 --> 00:43:59,192
Cover-up scandal.
771
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,053
The spectacle of a
british prime minister
772
00:44:01,061 --> 00:44:03,558
Closing down a criminal
investigation for
773
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:04,717
His own reasons.
774
00:44:04,721 --> 00:44:05,856
- were
you aware that your
775
00:44:05,857 --> 00:44:07,844
Government was approving
payments to a friend
776
00:44:07,846 --> 00:44:10,239
Of president
bush's, as part of a
777
00:44:10,244 --> 00:44:12,448
British aerospace's
kick back system?
778
00:44:12,453 --> 00:44:15,821
Is that why you suspended
a fraud inquiry?
779
00:44:17,061 --> 00:44:18,953
- When tony blair
started talking about
780
00:44:18,955 --> 00:44:21,509
National security interest,
that's supposed to be
781
00:44:21,511 --> 00:44:23,403
A card that trumps all others.
782
00:44:23,405 --> 00:44:24,604
- I don't believe
the investigation
783
00:44:24,605 --> 00:44:25,805
Incidentally would
have led anywhere,
784
00:44:25,806 --> 00:44:27,628
Except to the complete wreckage
785
00:44:27,633 --> 00:44:31,606
Of a vital, strategic
relationship for our country.
786
00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:33,880
In terms of fighting
terrorism, in terms
787
00:44:33,882 --> 00:44:38,139
Of the middle east, in terms
of british interest there.
788
00:44:38,143 --> 00:44:39,789
- So this thing's
absolutely stunning.
789
00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:42,651
It seems to be a
very expensive way
790
00:44:42,656 --> 00:44:45,400
Of organizing bribe payment.
791
00:44:45,402 --> 00:44:49,337
Out the military equipment,
and just hand out the money.
792
00:44:54,395 --> 00:44:56,225
# we can change the world
793
00:44:56,226 --> 00:44:58,780
- blair came to
south africa, specifically
794
00:44:58,782 --> 00:45:02,595
To lobby the bae, the
british weapons manufacturer,
795
00:45:02,601 --> 00:45:06,347
Who won the biggest
contract on our arms deal.
796
00:45:06,357 --> 00:45:07,965
# our time has come
797
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:13,109
- And the option
that they presented
798
00:45:13,111 --> 00:45:15,816
Was two and half
times more expensive
799
00:45:15,825 --> 00:45:18,351
Than the plane that the
south african air force
800
00:45:18,352 --> 00:45:20,305
Actually wanted.
801
00:45:20,306 --> 00:45:22,293
- bae systems.
802
00:45:22,294 --> 00:45:23,401
Real performance.
803
00:45:23,402 --> 00:45:24,657
Real advantage.
804
00:45:29,363 --> 00:45:31,880
- As mandela was
about to step down
805
00:45:31,888 --> 00:45:35,675
From public life, his
successor, thabo mbeki,
806
00:45:35,676 --> 00:45:39,678
Made the decision to spend
around 10 billion dollars,
807
00:45:40,693 --> 00:45:43,501
What were quite scarce
public resources,
808
00:45:43,502 --> 00:45:47,131
On this weaponry
that we didn't need.
809
00:45:47,132 --> 00:45:50,603
Rather than provide
life saving medication,
810
00:45:50,604 --> 00:45:53,092
For the almost 6
million south africans
811
00:45:53,097 --> 00:45:57,135
Who were then living
with hiv, or aids.
812
00:45:57,136 --> 00:45:58,745
The primary reason
for those deals,
813
00:45:58,745 --> 00:46:02,564
Was that around 300
million dollars in bribes
814
00:46:02,565 --> 00:46:05,147
Were paid to senior politicians,
815
00:46:07,549 --> 00:46:10,074
And sadly to the african
national congress,
816
00:46:10,075 --> 00:46:11,872
The anc, my own party.
817
00:46:15,534 --> 00:46:18,182
I was called in by a
senior member of the anc's
818
00:46:18,185 --> 00:46:19,954
National executive council.
819
00:46:19,955 --> 00:46:22,440
He said to me, "look
andrew, this is a battle
820
00:46:22,445 --> 00:46:26,674
"you cannot win, because
this money, the bribes,
821
00:46:26,675 --> 00:46:30,240
"we used to fund
our 1999 election."
822
00:46:30,241 --> 00:46:32,417
And almost immediately
I'm asked to make
823
00:46:32,419 --> 00:46:34,311
A statement to the
press that says
824
00:46:34,313 --> 00:46:37,246
There's nothing to investigate.
825
00:46:37,248 --> 00:46:38,857
So it's all over.
826
00:46:40,055 --> 00:46:43,839
And I looked at him and
I said, no it's not.
827
00:46:43,844 --> 00:46:46,739
I won't be able to
live with myself,
828
00:46:48,292 --> 00:46:50,468
If I stop this investigation.
829
00:46:50,471 --> 00:46:53,120
But at the same time,
I'm also realizing,
830
00:46:53,122 --> 00:46:56,471
That this is the end
of my political career.
831
00:46:59,717 --> 00:47:02,707
The heads of government are
the sales people in chief
832
00:47:02,715 --> 00:47:05,807
Of their country's
large arms contractors.
833
00:47:05,808 --> 00:47:07,889
And this is the
template used by large
834
00:47:07,891 --> 00:47:11,069
Defense contractors
around the world.
835
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:20,514
- Companies like bae
are not only, sort of,
836
00:47:20,515 --> 00:47:21,868
Effectively part
of the government,
837
00:47:21,872 --> 00:47:23,989
But they're effectively
above the law.
838
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:26,635
- Corruption is not merely
a dirty little detail
839
00:47:26,637 --> 00:47:29,286
On top of the arms
trade, it's actually,
840
00:47:29,288 --> 00:47:32,825
In a lot of cases, what drives
the international arms trade.
841
00:47:32,826 --> 00:47:35,850
Many of these deals would
not happen if they did not
842
00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:39,640
Provide opportunities
for personal enrichment.
843
00:47:39,641 --> 00:47:42,347
- I would be
offended if I thought
844
00:47:44,311 --> 00:47:47,054
We had the monopoly
on corruption.
845
00:48:01,417 --> 00:48:03,243
- As I was being
dragged out I thought,
846
00:48:03,249 --> 00:48:05,204
Right at the last second
I'm gonna still say,
847
00:48:05,205 --> 00:48:07,164
Remind everyone that this
guy is a war criminal.
848
00:48:07,165 --> 00:48:09,338
- Can I just say,
actually, on the record,
849
00:48:09,339 --> 00:48:11,676
What he said about
iraq and jp morgan
850
00:48:11,677 --> 00:48:13,501
Is completely and
totally untrue.
851
00:48:13,506 --> 00:48:14,866
I have never had a
discussion with them.
852
00:48:14,867 --> 00:48:16,281
- Now I'm not suggesting
that there was a phone
853
00:48:16,282 --> 00:48:17,862
Call between jp
morgan and blair,
854
00:48:17,863 --> 00:48:19,336
It was actually
what happened was,
855
00:48:19,344 --> 00:48:21,075
Jp morgan and a
consortium of other banks
856
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,201
Did, in fact, prop up
the whole iraq economy
857
00:48:24,204 --> 00:48:27,137
To the tune of about 2.5
billion, not 20 billion,
858
00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,032
I was a bit nervous that day.
859
00:48:29,034 --> 00:48:30,831
Then six months
after he left office,
860
00:48:30,832 --> 00:48:32,790
Blair suddenly
signed by jp morgan,
861
00:48:32,791 --> 00:48:35,343
For five million
dollars every year.
862
00:48:35,345 --> 00:48:37,300
I was just trying to
enlighten the public
863
00:48:37,301 --> 00:48:38,493
That there was
corruption involved,
864
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,148
And not just bad
decision making.
865
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:44,234
- I'd like to find
out how this gentlemen
866
00:48:45,662 --> 00:48:47,989
Managed to access the court.
867
00:48:47,998 --> 00:48:49,190
- There must be a back door in,
868
00:48:49,197 --> 00:48:50,775
Because they'd all gone
out for tea at the time.
869
00:48:50,776 --> 00:48:51,882
And there was a
courtroom, directly
870
00:48:51,883 --> 00:48:54,272
Underneath the courtroom
that blair was in,
871
00:48:54,277 --> 00:48:55,725
And it was left unlocked.
872
00:48:55,728 --> 00:48:57,649
So I went through that
one, up two floors
873
00:48:57,654 --> 00:48:59,952
Via the fire escape,
and then to the door
874
00:48:59,957 --> 00:49:03,041
By this time my heart
was pounding, like...
875
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:05,188
You know, I was
really going mad.
876
00:49:05,195 --> 00:49:07,182
And I actually lost my
courage for the moment.
877
00:49:07,184 --> 00:49:08,782
So I went and sat
down in a bathroom,
878
00:49:08,793 --> 00:49:10,931
I found a gentleman's
toilet there,
879
00:49:10,938 --> 00:49:12,641
I did actually ring my mother,
880
00:49:12,642 --> 00:49:14,307
And I said, listen, I'm
here, what shall I do?
881
00:49:14,315 --> 00:49:15,450
Do you think I
should still go in?
882
00:49:15,451 --> 00:49:16,492
And my mum said,
"yeah, go on, you
883
00:49:16,493 --> 00:49:18,063
"won't get another chance."
884
00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:19,177
And I thought,
that's it, I'm in.
885
00:49:19,178 --> 00:49:21,890
The man is a war criminal!
886
00:49:28,548 --> 00:49:31,225
- augustine
said, "that hope has
887
00:49:31,231 --> 00:49:34,921
"two beautiful daughters,
anger and courage.
888
00:49:34,924 --> 00:49:37,100
"anger at the way
things are, and courage
889
00:49:37,102 --> 00:49:39,211
"to see that they don't
remain the way they are."
890
00:49:46,001 --> 00:49:47,704
You conserve two
sets of principles,
891
00:49:47,705 --> 00:49:50,165
Privilege and power,
or justice and truth.
892
00:49:50,167 --> 00:49:52,248
The more you make
compromises with those
893
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:54,208
Who serve privilege and power,
894
00:49:54,209 --> 00:49:58,781
The more you diminish the
capacity for justice and truth.
895
00:49:58,782 --> 00:50:01,526
And, I think that
896
00:50:02,758 --> 00:50:06,579
The rebel seeks to keep those
who have power, fearful.
897
00:51:02,948 --> 00:51:04,518
- Peace, that's what we want.
898
00:51:04,527 --> 00:51:05,823
Freedom and peace.
899
00:52:26,879 --> 00:52:30,530
- So what if the guy
threw a shoe at me?
900
00:53:02,577 --> 00:53:03,523
- I'm gonna read you the
901
00:53:03,525 --> 00:53:05,577
Sourcing, of the
la times report,
902
00:53:05,578 --> 00:53:07,401
Paragraph one, u.S.
Authorities say,
903
00:53:07,406 --> 00:53:10,206
Column one, still
u.S. Officials said.
904
00:53:10,215 --> 00:53:13,154
Said one u.S. Justice
department counter-terrorism
905
00:53:13,155 --> 00:53:15,260
Official, column
two, officials said,
906
00:53:15,265 --> 00:53:18,481
U.S. Authorities say,
u.S. Officials said,
907
00:53:18,484 --> 00:53:20,877
Those officials said,
the officials confirmed.
908
00:53:20,882 --> 00:53:23,690
American officials
complained, they said,
909
00:53:23,691 --> 00:53:28,203
U.S. Officials
stressed, column three.
910
00:53:28,204 --> 00:53:31,231
U.S. Authorities said,
jordanian officials said...
911
00:53:32,118 --> 00:53:33,877
We got a slight...
912
00:53:33,885 --> 00:53:35,172
No laughter please, we
haven't finished yet.
913
00:53:35,179 --> 00:53:36,882
Several u.S. Officials said.
914
00:53:36,883 --> 00:53:39,626
Column four, u.S.
Officials said.
915
00:53:39,628 --> 00:53:41,331
Several american officials said.
916
00:53:41,332 --> 00:53:43,224
Officials say, say
u.S. Officials.
917
00:53:43,226 --> 00:53:45,496
But u.S. Officials said,
one u.S. Counter-terrorism
918
00:53:45,498 --> 00:53:46,889
Official said, I'm not joking.
919
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:48,051
There it is.
920
00:53:48,055 --> 00:53:50,266
That is the journalism
you're getting fed.
921
00:53:50,267 --> 00:53:51,739
And I sometimes
think the la times
922
00:53:51,747 --> 00:53:53,223
And the new york
times, should be called
923
00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:54,687
American officials say.
924
00:53:56,575 --> 00:54:00,330
- I denounced the call
to invade iraq publicly.
925
00:54:00,331 --> 00:54:04,433
The new york times issued me
a formal written reprimand,
926
00:54:04,434 --> 00:54:06,894
Which is what you get
before you're fired,
927
00:54:06,895 --> 00:54:10,272
Under union rules, to stop
speaking out against the war.
928
00:54:10,273 --> 00:54:11,853
I'd been the middle
east bureau chief.
929
00:54:11,854 --> 00:54:14,528
I'd been in iraq, spent seven
years in the middle east.
930
00:54:20,687 --> 00:54:24,216
How can you come out of
gaza and not be angry?
931
00:54:24,223 --> 00:54:25,765
What's being done
to those people.
932
00:54:25,768 --> 00:54:28,890
How can you come
out of the sudan,
933
00:54:28,893 --> 00:54:31,703
El salvador, you know,
dozens of other places
934
00:54:31,704 --> 00:54:34,162
I've been, and not be angry?
935
00:54:36,246 --> 00:54:39,970
I've seen the bodies
of a lot of children.
936
00:54:39,971 --> 00:54:41,513
Which I can't forget.
937
00:54:48,682 --> 00:54:53,128
20 years, it, you
know, fucks you up.
938
00:55:05,535 --> 00:55:08,307
Dostoevsky said, "hell
is the inability to love,
939
00:55:08,314 --> 00:55:11,374
"and that's what kills people."
940
00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:14,402
I fully get why people
blow their brains out.
941
00:55:14,405 --> 00:55:16,013
It's really hell.
942
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:20,555
And, I don't use love
as a kind of hallmark,
943
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,927
Schmaltzy, you know, we
all gotta love each other.
944
00:55:23,936 --> 00:55:26,642
I'm saying that the
only way you're healed
945
00:55:26,650 --> 00:55:29,261
From those experiences
is by re-establishing
946
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:32,269
A connection with
that kind of power.
947
00:55:33,245 --> 00:55:34,532
With another human being.
948
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:37,851
And if you can't do
that, you don't survive.
949
00:55:37,854 --> 00:55:40,125
And I have friends
who couldn't do it,
950
00:55:40,126 --> 00:55:42,463
And they're not here anymore.
951
00:55:48,457 --> 00:55:51,929
It's the, you know,
the power of love
952
00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:53,216
To transcend time.
953
00:57:05,442 --> 00:57:09,892
- That looks like
a gaub 2-alpha 38
954
00:57:09,893 --> 00:57:12,731
That we used to
have on our loches.
955
00:57:12,734 --> 00:57:15,667
A mini-gun that fired
4,000 rounds per minute.
956
00:57:15,669 --> 00:57:18,280
One of the manifestations of
the national security state,
957
00:57:18,289 --> 00:57:22,234
Especially in the, sort of,
apogee it's arrived at today,
958
00:57:23,811 --> 00:57:25,862
Is that it destroys diplomacy.
959
00:57:25,863 --> 00:57:28,795
It destroys the will to
diplomacy, and it destroys
960
00:57:28,798 --> 00:57:30,757
The skill for diplomacy.
961
00:57:43,821 --> 00:57:45,619
- If you're a small
state, like we were for
962
00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:48,865
150 years, in essence,
vis-a-vis Spain, France,
963
00:57:48,871 --> 00:57:52,153
England, and even
russia, you've got to be
964
00:57:52,154 --> 00:57:54,547
Exquisitely good at diplomacy.
965
00:57:54,552 --> 00:57:56,065
You've got to be
able to talk yourself
966
00:57:56,066 --> 00:57:58,242
Out of lots of
things, and make deals
967
00:57:58,244 --> 00:58:00,070
And compromises and so forth.
968
00:58:00,075 --> 00:58:01,248
But if you're the
world's hedge men
969
00:58:01,249 --> 00:58:03,796
You don't deal with
anybody, you smack 'em.
970
00:58:03,798 --> 00:58:05,624
You use your military
and you smack 'em.
971
00:58:07,617 --> 00:58:12,281
- On may 3rd of 2003, the
ambassador of switzerland
972
00:58:12,289 --> 00:58:16,224
To tehran, delivers a letter
from iran to the United States.
973
00:58:17,936 --> 00:58:20,235
In that letter, the
iranians essentially
974
00:58:20,241 --> 00:58:23,585
Offer negotiations to
open up the nuclear
975
00:58:23,586 --> 00:58:26,519
Program for full transparency.
976
00:58:26,521 --> 00:58:28,477
The proposal came in.
977
00:58:28,478 --> 00:58:30,871
I happened to see
it, because a copy
978
00:58:30,876 --> 00:58:32,390
Was also given to a
member of congress
979
00:58:32,391 --> 00:58:34,788
That I worked for at the time.
980
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:38,638
He sent it over to the
white house and karl rove.
981
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:40,436
Karl rove called back.
982
00:58:40,437 --> 00:58:42,547
He said that he found
the proposal intriguing.
983
00:58:42,552 --> 00:58:44,784
He wanted to know
if it was genuine.
984
00:58:44,793 --> 00:58:47,413
And he promised to put it
in front of the president.
985
00:58:47,414 --> 00:58:50,383
- I would call karl
rove a dear friend.
986
00:58:51,924 --> 00:58:53,948
- I've seen a man of
farsighted courage.
987
00:58:53,949 --> 00:58:56,083
Put america on a war footing.
988
00:58:57,067 --> 00:58:59,309
And protect us against
a brutal enemy,
989
00:58:59,310 --> 00:59:02,214
In a dangerous conflict that
will shape this new century.
990
00:59:02,215 --> 00:59:06,025
- No form of response was
given to the iranians at all.
991
00:59:06,032 --> 00:59:10,346
- I'm grateful to have
been a witness to history.
992
00:59:10,356 --> 00:59:13,251
- And the argument was,
that whatever could
993
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:16,003
Come out of a negotiation
with the iranians,
994
00:59:16,005 --> 00:59:18,493
Even more could be
achieved by simply
995
00:59:18,498 --> 00:59:21,336
Removing the regime in iran.
996
00:59:21,339 --> 00:59:23,420
In a way to sum up
the argument, however,
997
00:59:23,422 --> 00:59:27,366
The principle in the
bush administration said
998
00:59:27,367 --> 00:59:30,205
That we simply do
not talk to evil.
999
00:59:31,626 --> 00:59:33,831
- And as tony zini said, former
central command commander,
1000
00:59:33,836 --> 00:59:36,920
"if you like to rock,
you'll love iran."
1001
00:59:36,929 --> 00:59:40,240
That is a 10 to 14 year,
1002
00:59:40,243 --> 00:59:42,069
Three to four trillion dollar
1003
00:59:42,073 --> 00:59:45,195
Invasion, at the end
of which the world,
1004
00:59:45,198 --> 00:59:48,850
Western asia, will
look not much different
1005
00:59:48,859 --> 00:59:50,780
Than it does right now.
1006
00:59:50,784 --> 00:59:53,026
It'll still be in turmoil,
still be in chaos,
1007
00:59:53,027 --> 00:59:57,216
And 70 plus million iranians
will hate our living guts.
1008
00:59:59,084 --> 01:00:02,775
Went in to see the
under-secretary of defense,
1009
01:00:02,776 --> 01:00:04,980
The ideas that wolfowitz
shared with me,
1010
01:00:04,985 --> 01:00:08,769
He and secretary cheney
in 91, 92, packaged them,
1011
01:00:08,773 --> 01:00:10,599
Re-tooled them,
thought about them,
1012
01:00:10,603 --> 01:00:11,578
Went to the white house.
1013
01:00:11,582 --> 01:00:13,436
Briefed people like presidents.
1014
01:00:13,443 --> 01:00:17,198
America needs a new strategy,
or forceable regime change.
1015
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:21,049
So here this idea springs
back up again in 2001.
1016
01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:24,772
I went through the pentagon,
in November of 2001,
1017
01:00:24,773 --> 01:00:26,693
And one of the generals
said, "sir I got this memo
1018
01:00:26,698 --> 01:00:28,717
"on my desk, it's...
1019
01:00:28,718 --> 01:00:32,530
"we're gonna go after seven
countries in five years."
1020
01:00:34,902 --> 01:00:36,822
I said is that a
classified memo?
1021
01:00:36,828 --> 01:00:38,972
He said, "yes sir!
1022
01:00:38,973 --> 01:00:40,326
"we're gonna start with
iraq, and then we're
1023
01:00:40,330 --> 01:00:42,884
"gonna move to syria,
lebanon, libya,
1024
01:00:42,886 --> 01:00:44,901
"somalia, sudan, and iran."
1025
01:00:53,994 --> 01:00:55,849
- I think it's highly
probable the administration
1026
01:00:55,856 --> 01:00:59,035
Has already made the decision
to go to war against iran.
1027
01:00:59,044 --> 01:01:02,790
There are already u.S.
Troops inside iran.
1028
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,370
I wanna repeat that.
1029
01:01:04,378 --> 01:01:07,785
There are already u.S.
Troops inside iran.
1030
01:01:07,786 --> 01:01:09,518
- The u.S. Has long
had it's eyes set
1031
01:01:09,522 --> 01:01:12,171
On trying to impact
regime change in iran.
1032
01:01:12,173 --> 01:01:14,065
And much of what you've
seen the u.S. Doing,
1033
01:01:14,067 --> 01:01:17,056
With regards to iran, has
been on a covert level.
1034
01:01:17,065 --> 01:01:18,796
- We've seen a report
in the new yorker,
1035
01:01:18,801 --> 01:01:22,585
By seymour hersh, that
a u.S. Source told him
1036
01:01:22,589 --> 01:01:24,736
That u.S. Marines were
operating in the balochi,
1037
01:01:24,737 --> 01:01:28,300
Mazareh, and kurdish
regions of iran.
1038
01:01:28,301 --> 01:01:30,477
Have you ever heard
of that report?
1039
01:01:30,478 --> 01:01:32,058
- I've never heard of the
report, I've never read the
1040
01:01:32,059 --> 01:01:34,297
Article, nor do I intend to.
1041
01:01:34,298 --> 01:01:36,786
- do you have any
interest as to whether or not,
1042
01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:38,739
As the u.S. Ambassador?
1043
01:01:38,747 --> 01:01:40,229
- I don't...
1044
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:44,964
U.S. Marines are actually
operating in iran right now?
1045
01:01:44,965 --> 01:01:47,169
- I said I had not
heard of the report,
1046
01:01:47,174 --> 01:01:50,958
And I didn't intend to read
the article in the new yorker.
1047
01:01:50,962 --> 01:01:52,314
- if I gave you
this article right now,
1048
01:01:52,318 --> 01:01:53,860
Walked it over,
would you look at it?
1049
01:01:53,864 --> 01:01:55,756
- I don't think so
honestly, congressman,
1050
01:01:55,758 --> 01:01:59,760
'cause I don't have the
time to read much fiction.
1051
01:02:02,162 --> 01:02:05,095
- we have teams
inside iran and these include
1052
01:02:05,099 --> 01:02:07,152
Joint special operation
force, of our most
1053
01:02:07,153 --> 01:02:08,815
Elite commando unit.
1054
01:02:08,822 --> 01:02:11,055
It has been given executive
authority by the president
1055
01:02:11,064 --> 01:02:13,079
In as many as 12
countries, to go in
1056
01:02:13,083 --> 01:02:17,217
And kill, we're talking
about high value targets.
1057
01:02:17,218 --> 01:02:18,543
They're operating
now, and they go into
1058
01:02:18,544 --> 01:02:21,070
Countries outside of
the war zone, outside
1059
01:02:21,071 --> 01:02:23,244
Of afghanistan and
outside of iraq,
1060
01:02:23,246 --> 01:02:25,082
Without telling the
american cia station chief,
1061
01:02:25,083 --> 01:02:26,837
Or the american
ambassador, they go in
1062
01:02:26,844 --> 01:02:28,509
Sterile and they kill people.
1063
01:02:30,694 --> 01:02:32,643
- We have to worry about
the sort of dark side
1064
01:02:32,651 --> 01:02:34,959
If you will, when I spend
time in the shadows,
1065
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,574
In the intelligence world.
1066
01:02:37,575 --> 01:02:42,151
Will have to be done quietly,
without any discussion,
1067
01:02:42,152 --> 01:02:44,044
Using sources and
methods that are
1068
01:02:44,046 --> 01:02:46,382
Available to our
intelligence agencies.
1069
01:03:02,130 --> 01:03:04,968
- The doctrine that has
endured from bush to obama
1070
01:03:04,971 --> 01:03:06,863
Is that the world
is a battlefield.
1071
01:03:06,865 --> 01:03:08,757
And that the united
states has the right
1072
01:03:08,759 --> 01:03:10,557
To go into any country
around the world
1073
01:03:10,558 --> 01:03:12,513
To conduct, what they
call, kinetic operations,
1074
01:03:12,514 --> 01:03:13,744
Lethal operations, regardless of
1075
01:03:13,745 --> 01:03:16,204
What international law says.
1076
01:03:17,531 --> 01:03:19,328
What is president
obama's response to that?
1077
01:03:19,330 --> 01:03:21,222
How is he going to deal with it?
1078
01:03:21,224 --> 01:03:24,790
He embraced the very
covert shadow forces
1079
01:03:24,791 --> 01:03:26,806
That a decade
earlier had only been
1080
01:03:26,810 --> 01:03:28,833
Talked about in hushed
tones in the pentagon.
1081
01:03:28,834 --> 01:03:32,046
Not just as the implementors
of a policy that said
1082
01:03:32,049 --> 01:03:34,225
We should decapitate
terror networks,
1083
01:03:34,227 --> 01:03:36,119
And engage in preemptive
strikes, but they
1084
01:03:36,121 --> 01:03:38,325
Became the policy itself.
1085
01:03:43,632 --> 01:03:44,891
President obama's
administration have built
1086
01:03:44,894 --> 01:03:46,947
Up something called
the disposition matrix.
1087
01:03:46,948 --> 01:03:48,554
It's like an algorithm
for determining
1088
01:03:48,554 --> 01:03:49,406
Who should be
killed, or who should
1089
01:03:49,407 --> 01:03:51,043
We seek to capture.
1090
01:03:51,047 --> 01:03:52,313
And one of the more, sort
of, grotesque aspects
1091
01:03:52,314 --> 01:03:54,107
Of this, is that there
were actually meetings
1092
01:03:54,108 --> 01:03:55,716
On tuesdays, in the white house,
1093
01:03:55,717 --> 01:03:57,732
That have been nicknamed
terror Tuesday meetings.
1094
01:03:57,737 --> 01:03:59,780
Where they're going
through rosters of names
1095
01:03:59,788 --> 01:04:01,712
To put on, or take off the list.
1096
01:04:01,713 --> 01:04:02,999
Maybe someone within
that group has been
1097
01:04:03,007 --> 01:04:05,523
In contact with someone
that the u.S. Is watching.
1098
01:04:05,532 --> 01:04:07,386
They went to the same
mosque as someone.
1099
01:04:07,393 --> 01:04:09,286
They keep ordering pizza
from the same place
1100
01:04:09,287 --> 01:04:10,640
As a taliban leader.
1101
01:04:10,644 --> 01:04:12,441
And you decide, these
guys are probably up
1102
01:04:12,442 --> 01:04:15,120
To no good, and so, on
this particular day,
1103
01:04:15,125 --> 01:04:17,547
We're gonna remove
them from planet earth.
1104
01:04:17,556 --> 01:04:19,599
- So now we're getting
into minority report.
1105
01:04:19,607 --> 01:04:21,915
Into this sort of
sci-fi world of pk dick.
1106
01:04:21,916 --> 01:04:25,221
Where it's justifiable homicide.
1107
01:04:25,224 --> 01:04:26,577
Even though it's for
an act that might
1108
01:04:26,581 --> 01:04:28,879
Take place in the future.
1109
01:04:28,884 --> 01:04:30,965
It's okay to kill
from a distance,
1110
01:04:30,967 --> 01:04:34,785
Without a warrant, without
a trial, without a jury.
1111
01:04:34,786 --> 01:04:37,908
And the execution
takes place off screen.
1112
01:04:52,082 --> 01:04:56,027
- Where appropriate, we will
bring terrorists to justice.
1113
01:04:57,762 --> 01:04:58,614
- When...
1114
01:04:59,750 --> 01:05:01,320
- When we...
1115
01:05:01,329 --> 01:05:02,332
- We went...
1116
01:05:05,083 --> 01:05:07,173
- He went on to...
1117
01:05:08,649 --> 01:05:09,917
- We went on...
1118
01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:21,400
- We're addressing that ma'am.
1119
01:05:24,966 --> 01:05:28,693
- The voice of that woman is
worth paying attention to.
1120
01:05:28,694 --> 01:05:32,509
Obviously I do not agree
with much of what she said.
1121
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:34,838
- The president is not
implementing policies that
1122
01:05:34,846 --> 01:05:37,306
We need to see change,
for example that he
1123
01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:39,862
Would stop the authorization
of signature strikes.
1124
01:05:39,864 --> 01:05:41,378
Which means killing
people only on the basis
1125
01:05:41,378 --> 01:05:44,344
Of suspicious behavior,
that's led to the
1126
01:05:44,345 --> 01:05:45,982
Killing of many
innocent people...
1127
01:05:45,987 --> 01:05:48,672
- You know I post the
question on my facebook page,
1128
01:05:48,673 --> 01:05:51,507
And asked them what
they wanted to ask you.
1129
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:52,646
And a lot of them
said that you were
1130
01:05:52,646 --> 01:05:55,328
Hurting your own
cause, because, one,
1131
01:05:55,329 --> 01:05:58,139
You appeared rude to the
president of the United States,
1132
01:05:58,140 --> 01:06:02,140
And two, you just
seemed a little crazy.
1133
01:06:03,124 --> 01:06:04,921
- Well I think killing
innocent people
1134
01:06:04,923 --> 01:06:06,405
With drones is rude.
1135
01:06:06,406 --> 01:06:08,450
I think not apologizing
to the families
1136
01:06:08,457 --> 01:06:11,163
Of innocent people who
are killed is rude.
1137
01:06:11,171 --> 01:06:13,536
There are a lot of rude
things about our policies.
1138
01:06:13,538 --> 01:06:15,109
- I want to make sure
the people understand,
1139
01:06:15,116 --> 01:06:16,346
Actually drones have not caused
1140
01:06:16,347 --> 01:06:18,428
A huge number of
civilian causalities.
1141
01:06:18,430 --> 01:06:19,944
For the most part
they have been very
1142
01:06:19,945 --> 01:06:22,811
Precise, precision
strikes against al-qaeda.
1143
01:06:22,817 --> 01:06:24,775
- How do you expect
the people of pakistan
1144
01:06:24,776 --> 01:06:27,205
Not to have
anti-american sentiments
1145
01:06:27,206 --> 01:06:30,136
When day in, and day out,
we hear about drone attacks
1146
01:06:30,139 --> 01:06:33,483
That kill more innocent
people than militants?
1147
01:06:33,484 --> 01:06:35,064
How do you explain that?
1148
01:06:35,065 --> 01:06:38,154
- Well I do not believe
that there is any
1149
01:06:38,155 --> 01:06:41,049
Basis for your comment.
1150
01:07:24,171 --> 01:07:27,037
- Lockheed martin, boeing,
dyncorp international,
1151
01:07:27,044 --> 01:07:30,412
Computer sciences corporation,
and aerovironment,
1152
01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:32,531
All told eric,
about 70 companies
1153
01:07:32,536 --> 01:07:34,929
Are interested in this one
billion dollar contract.
1154
01:07:34,934 --> 01:07:37,829
- As we look out three,
five, seven, 10 years,
1155
01:07:37,837 --> 01:07:41,337
This market remains a
very much a growth market.
1156
01:08:32,535 --> 01:08:35,060
- It's the disease of
permanent war that destroyed
1157
01:08:35,061 --> 01:08:36,511
The middle east.
1158
01:08:36,512 --> 01:08:39,284
It's not islamic fundamentalism.
1159
01:08:40,866 --> 01:08:44,591
It empower all of those who
profit from permanent war.
1160
01:08:44,592 --> 01:08:47,685
Politically, economically
and militarily.
1161
01:08:48,725 --> 01:08:50,683
- Make no mistake,
a nuclear armed iran
1162
01:08:50,684 --> 01:08:53,331
Is not a challenge
that can be contained.
1163
01:08:53,333 --> 01:08:55,481
It would threaten the
elimination of israel.
1164
01:08:55,482 --> 01:08:57,900
The security of gulf nations.
1165
01:08:57,909 --> 01:09:01,059
And the stability of
the global economy.
1166
01:09:01,065 --> 01:09:02,768
It risks triggering
a nuclear arms race
1167
01:09:02,769 --> 01:09:04,755
In the region, and
the unraveling of the
1168
01:09:04,757 --> 01:09:06,772
Non-proliferation treaty.
1169
01:09:07,627 --> 01:09:10,465
- And how close is
iran to getting it?
1170
01:09:10,469 --> 01:09:12,393
Well let me show you.
1171
01:09:12,394 --> 01:09:14,476
I brought a diagram for you.
1172
01:09:16,307 --> 01:09:18,076
Here's the diagram.
1173
01:09:21,576 --> 01:09:23,470
This is a bomb.
1174
01:09:23,471 --> 01:09:24,729
This is a fuse.
1175
01:09:25,616 --> 01:09:28,646
Where should a
red line be drawn?
1176
01:09:28,647 --> 01:09:31,892
A red line should
be drawn right here.
1177
01:09:33,947 --> 01:09:36,822
- The threat from iran
is a political football.
1178
01:09:36,823 --> 01:09:38,902
What was interesting
was that many israelis,
1179
01:09:38,904 --> 01:09:41,676
Including people from
the military said,
1180
01:09:41,681 --> 01:09:45,522
As long as there is
an existential threat,
1181
01:09:45,531 --> 01:09:49,316
Somewhere, somehow, that
it is certainly helping
1182
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,127
Us expand our
budgets, in ways that
1183
01:09:52,128 --> 01:09:55,089
Is not possible to
do in the absence
1184
01:09:55,095 --> 01:09:58,973
On anything that can be
defined as such a threat.
1185
01:09:58,977 --> 01:10:00,898
- If you were iran
what would you do?
1186
01:10:00,902 --> 01:10:04,626
I mean, israel has what,
three to 400 nuclear weapons.
1187
01:10:04,627 --> 01:10:06,263
They're the ones who
started the damn arms race
1188
01:10:06,268 --> 01:10:07,593
In the middle east anyway.
1189
01:10:07,594 --> 01:10:09,864
They didn't sign a
non-proliferation treaty.
1190
01:10:09,866 --> 01:10:12,136
They built this
program in secret.
1191
01:10:12,138 --> 01:10:15,675
India and pakistan then went
on to do the same thing,
1192
01:10:15,676 --> 01:10:17,566
And iran, which did
sign the nuclear
1193
01:10:17,567 --> 01:10:20,470
Non-proliferation
treaty, looked around
1194
01:10:20,471 --> 01:10:22,363
And realized they'd
gotten screwed.
1195
01:10:22,365 --> 01:10:24,285
- the
obama administration
wants to sell bunker
1196
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:25,926
Buster bombs which can penetrate
1197
01:10:25,931 --> 01:10:28,834
20 feet of solid
concrete to the uae.
1198
01:10:28,835 --> 01:10:30,254
The deal is the
latest u.S. Arms sale
1199
01:10:30,254 --> 01:10:32,686
To members of the gulf
cooperation council,
1200
01:10:32,687 --> 01:10:34,577
Six nations that neighbor iran.
1201
01:10:39,343 --> 01:10:42,209
- War has become a commodity
for several reasons.
1202
01:10:42,216 --> 01:10:43,815
One is because you
need somebody to
1203
01:10:43,825 --> 01:10:46,058
Buy the stuff you produce.
1204
01:10:46,066 --> 01:10:47,164
- another
u.S. Arms deal
1205
01:10:47,170 --> 01:10:49,573
With saudi arabia
is in the pipeline.
1206
01:10:49,574 --> 01:10:51,394
The biggest in history.
1207
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:53,707
This deal alone surpasses
the entire global
1208
01:10:53,708 --> 01:10:56,664
Arms sale already
57 billion dollars.
1209
01:10:58,152 --> 01:10:59,353
- saudi arabia
does this enormous service
1210
01:10:59,354 --> 01:11:01,811
Of recycling the arms trade.
1211
01:11:03,010 --> 01:11:04,997
But war is also a
business in another sense.
1212
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,808
There is a business
that uses war to
1213
01:11:07,809 --> 01:11:09,852
Get it's ends established.
1214
01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:12,376
This is george orwell's 1984.
1215
01:11:13,456 --> 01:11:15,443
Two powers are always
going to be in battle
1216
01:11:15,446 --> 01:11:17,272
And guess who's making
out really well?
1217
01:11:17,276 --> 01:11:21,278
Of course the weapons dealers,
and the people in power.
1218
01:11:24,565 --> 01:11:27,347
- Well the ultimate
manifestation of the national
1219
01:11:27,348 --> 01:11:30,182
Security state is
that it, not only
1220
01:11:31,131 --> 01:11:33,529
Seeks a perpetual state of war,
1221
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:36,491
It will even go to
all ends to create
1222
01:11:36,497 --> 01:11:38,894
That perpetual state of war.
1223
01:11:38,895 --> 01:11:41,638
- I am always reminded of a book
1224
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,074
I read a long time ago,
called invisible man.
1225
01:11:46,341 --> 01:11:49,179
And that book has a
beautiful sentence,
1226
01:11:50,444 --> 01:11:52,336
"I am an invisible man.
1227
01:11:52,339 --> 01:11:54,862
"not because I don't exist, but
1228
01:11:54,863 --> 01:11:57,134
"because you choose
not to see me."
1229
01:11:57,136 --> 01:11:59,850
- Prince bandar do you
know the bin laden family?
1230
01:11:59,851 --> 01:12:03,606
- This is ironic, in the
mid 80's, if you remember
1231
01:12:03,607 --> 01:12:08,620
Supporting the mujahideen
to liberate afghanistan
1232
01:12:09,601 --> 01:12:11,210
From the soviets.
1233
01:12:12,631 --> 01:12:16,008
Bin laden came to
thank me for my efforts
1234
01:12:16,009 --> 01:12:18,346
To bring the
americans, our friends,
1235
01:12:18,347 --> 01:12:22,099
To help us against the atheist,
he said, the communist.
1236
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:26,197
- When I last saw bin
laden, in this camp
1237
01:12:26,203 --> 01:12:28,530
High in the mountains
of afghanistan,
1238
01:12:28,539 --> 01:12:30,961
With an air raid shelter
built into the living
1239
01:12:30,969 --> 01:12:34,129
Rock of the mountain,
25, 30 feet high,
1240
01:12:35,071 --> 01:12:37,501
That camp was built by the cia.
1241
01:12:37,502 --> 01:12:39,584
Later they tried to fire
cruise missiles at it,
1242
01:12:39,586 --> 01:12:40,598
Of course they
knew where it was.
1243
01:12:40,599 --> 01:12:41,759
They built it.
1244
01:12:43,623 --> 01:12:46,337
No wonder bin laden
kept smiling at me.
1245
01:12:46,338 --> 01:12:47,946
No wonder he did.
1246
01:12:50,313 --> 01:12:53,974
- The american saudi arabia
put one billion dollars each
1247
01:12:53,975 --> 01:12:57,097
To give them arms,
training, equipment,
1248
01:12:58,550 --> 01:13:00,632
We are the ones who cleared
all those people to go.
1249
01:13:00,634 --> 01:13:01,741
We and you.
1250
01:13:06,124 --> 01:13:08,395
- There must be something
wrong with the way we think.
1251
01:13:08,397 --> 01:13:10,346
That we can't say
that the grammar
1252
01:13:10,354 --> 01:13:12,936
Of the past, is operating today.
1253
01:13:14,140 --> 01:13:16,665
- We have been pumping
money, a great deal of money,
1254
01:13:16,666 --> 01:13:17,801
Without congressional authority,
1255
01:13:17,802 --> 01:13:20,101
Without any
congressional oversight.
1256
01:13:20,105 --> 01:13:21,749
Prince bandar of saudi
arabia is putting
1257
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:24,367
Up some of this money
for covert operations
1258
01:13:24,368 --> 01:13:26,315
In many areas of the
middle east where we want
1259
01:13:26,323 --> 01:13:28,120
To stop the shiite
influence; they
1260
01:13:28,121 --> 01:13:29,881
Call it the shiite crescent.
1261
01:13:29,888 --> 01:13:31,487
- Thank you...
1262
01:13:31,497 --> 01:13:32,850
- the arabic
word is fitna, civil war.
1263
01:13:32,854 --> 01:13:34,746
We're in a business
right now of creating,
1264
01:13:34,748 --> 01:13:37,179
In some places,
sectarian violence.
1265
01:13:39,356 --> 01:13:40,557
- it's an odd
situation because
1266
01:13:40,558 --> 01:13:42,889
We are trying to
destroy and liquidate
1267
01:13:42,890 --> 01:13:44,404
Al-qaeda and marlie,
but trying to give
1268
01:13:44,405 --> 01:13:47,839
Arms training to them
in northern syria.
1269
01:13:49,738 --> 01:13:51,403
It really is a world gone mad,
1270
01:13:51,411 --> 01:13:52,981
But oddly enough, you
have to be in syria
1271
01:13:52,989 --> 01:13:55,136
To realize how mad it is.
1272
01:13:57,060 --> 01:13:58,602
When you actually are
traveling around syria,
1273
01:13:58,605 --> 01:14:00,185
And you listen to
the news coming out
1274
01:14:00,186 --> 01:14:02,927
Of washington, it's
like americans are
1275
01:14:02,929 --> 01:14:04,376
Living in this kind
of fantasy world
1276
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:06,896
That bears no relation
to planet earth,
1277
01:14:06,905 --> 01:14:08,929
Where I'm trying to report.
1278
01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:39,984
- Today there are good
terrorists, and bad terrorists.
1279
01:14:39,985 --> 01:14:42,062
The bad terrorists
are those in yemen,
1280
01:14:42,064 --> 01:14:44,523
Who the United States
deems to be a threat.
1281
01:14:44,525 --> 01:14:46,956
The good terrorists are
those who are in syria.
1282
01:14:46,957 --> 01:14:50,332
The joke here is we've
been there before.
1283
01:14:50,333 --> 01:14:53,265
I mean, if you consider
the afghanistan story,
1284
01:14:53,268 --> 01:14:55,037
They've learned nothing.
1285
01:15:02,105 --> 01:15:06,207
Today if I say that the
saudis are giving money
1286
01:15:06,208 --> 01:15:09,046
To groups that are in
syria, that are not only
1287
01:15:09,049 --> 01:15:12,180
Al-nusra, but also the isis.
1288
01:15:13,214 --> 01:15:14,406
People will say you are
a conspiracy theorist,
1289
01:15:14,414 --> 01:15:15,956
But what I'm just
trying to say is
1290
01:15:15,959 --> 01:15:18,447
In the moment of
the contemporary,
1291
01:15:18,452 --> 01:15:22,302
This grammar of
dangerous politics
1292
01:15:22,868 --> 01:15:24,609
Sounds insane.
1293
01:15:33,916 --> 01:15:37,734
So what appears to have been
a conspiracy at the time,
1294
01:15:37,735 --> 01:15:41,453
When documents appear,
turns out to be true.
1295
01:15:43,067 --> 01:15:45,432
- We must address the
cycle of conflict,
1296
01:15:45,435 --> 01:15:48,235
Especially sectarian
conflict, that
1297
01:15:48,243 --> 01:15:51,233
Creates the conditions
that terrorists prey upon.
1298
01:15:51,241 --> 01:15:54,617
- in public they
say, we have to end terrorism.
1299
01:15:54,618 --> 01:15:57,806
Meanwhile, this private
work of getting involved
1300
01:15:57,807 --> 01:16:02,003
In conflicts stirs the
pot, which produces
1301
01:16:02,004 --> 01:16:05,948
Characters that appear
to become terrorists.
1302
01:16:05,949 --> 01:16:08,820
Which reinforces the
public narrative,
1303
01:16:08,821 --> 01:16:12,416
And then makes things
like intervention okay.
1304
01:16:13,143 --> 01:16:15,754
- Good morning everybody.
1305
01:16:15,764 --> 01:16:18,564
Last night on my orders,
america's armed forces
1306
01:16:18,573 --> 01:16:21,884
Began strikes against
isil targets in syria.
1307
01:16:29,555 --> 01:16:30,974
- just ahead
of air strikes in syria,
1308
01:16:30,976 --> 01:16:34,571
Defense firms, lockheed
martin, northrop, raytheon,
1309
01:16:34,574 --> 01:16:36,778
And general dynamics
corporation all set
1310
01:16:36,782 --> 01:16:38,359
Stock price records.
1311
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,063
Their shareholders
are making money off
1312
01:16:40,064 --> 01:16:44,709
The unusually large number of
conflicts around the world.
1313
01:16:51,457 --> 01:16:52,715
- every two years
or so, the israeli military
1314
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:55,207
Attacks the gaza
strip and right after
1315
01:16:55,212 --> 01:16:57,132
There is a trade
show, in which israeli
1316
01:16:57,137 --> 01:16:59,313
Weapon companies show
their technologies.
1317
01:17:00,829 --> 01:17:04,140
Which are becoming an
increasingly important
1318
01:17:04,143 --> 01:17:05,808
And very significant
part of the israeli
1319
01:17:05,816 --> 01:17:08,687
Economy depend on those wars.
1320
01:17:08,688 --> 01:17:11,715
They try to market,
"we've already used
1321
01:17:11,718 --> 01:17:14,210
"that on actual human beings."
1322
01:17:14,211 --> 01:17:16,292
By making that claim
they're able to compete
1323
01:17:16,294 --> 01:17:19,765
With weapon manufacturers
from other countries.
1324
01:17:19,766 --> 01:17:20,929
The United States is the biggest
1325
01:17:20,933 --> 01:17:23,773
Supplier of military
aid to israel.
1326
01:17:23,774 --> 01:17:25,477
This attack on gaza
is also a trade show
1327
01:17:25,478 --> 01:17:28,382
For the united
states arms industry.
1328
01:17:47,602 --> 01:17:49,296
- Iran and isis are
competing for the
1329
01:17:49,306 --> 01:17:51,983
Crown of militant islam.
1330
01:17:51,989 --> 01:17:54,955
One calls itself the
islamic republic.
1331
01:17:54,956 --> 01:17:57,858
The other calls itself
the islamic state.
1332
01:17:57,859 --> 01:18:00,792
Both want to impose a
militant islamic empire.
1333
01:18:00,795 --> 01:18:02,561
First in the region.
1334
01:18:02,562 --> 01:18:04,802
And then on the entire world.
1335
01:18:04,803 --> 01:18:06,506
They just disagree
among themselves
1336
01:18:06,507 --> 01:18:10,167
Who will be the
ruler of that empire.
1337
01:18:10,168 --> 01:18:13,034
In this deadly game
of thrones, there's
1338
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,816
No place for america,
or for israel.
1339
01:18:15,817 --> 01:18:18,814
- Today, after two
years of negotiations,
1340
01:18:18,815 --> 01:18:22,126
The United States, together
with our international partners,
1341
01:18:22,129 --> 01:18:23,520
Has achieved
something that decades
1342
01:18:23,521 --> 01:18:25,410
Of animosity has not.
1343
01:18:26,389 --> 01:18:29,189
A comprehensive
long-term deal with iran,
1344
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:32,254
That will prevent it from
obtaining a nuclear weapon.
1345
01:18:32,260 --> 01:18:34,029
- This was a very
difficult negotiations,
1346
01:18:34,030 --> 01:18:36,835
And part of it is
because of this
1347
01:18:36,836 --> 01:18:39,674
Entrenched and
compounded mistrust
1348
01:18:39,677 --> 01:18:41,730
That we have built
between ourselves mutually
1349
01:18:41,731 --> 01:18:44,310
For the last three,
four decades.
1350
01:18:44,316 --> 01:18:46,454
But I'm happy that,
we simply write,
1351
01:18:46,462 --> 01:18:49,900
Diplomacy pre-write,
that people exercised
1352
01:18:49,901 --> 01:18:52,143
A great deal of
restraint and patience,
1353
01:18:52,144 --> 01:18:54,820
And wisdom, and we
are where we are,
1354
01:18:54,825 --> 01:18:58,335
And I hope this will
be a good beginning.
1355
01:19:00,347 --> 01:19:02,276
- as this
nuclear deal goes through
1356
01:19:02,277 --> 01:19:03,787
We're still dealing
with the problem
1357
01:19:03,788 --> 01:19:06,815
That the states of this
region are collapsing.
1358
01:19:06,818 --> 01:19:08,521
And the void that
they will fill,
1359
01:19:08,522 --> 01:19:12,466
You will see more violence
and you will see more weapons.
1360
01:19:12,467 --> 01:19:13,697
It is important to understand
1361
01:19:13,698 --> 01:19:16,536
That that's not a
result of this deal.
1362
01:19:16,538 --> 01:19:19,376
That is a result of the
paradigm not shifting
1363
01:19:19,379 --> 01:19:21,300
Towards de-militarization,
and collective
1364
01:19:21,304 --> 01:19:23,102
Security, soon enough.
1365
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:26,513
- The saudis and the israelis
are on the same page.
1366
01:19:26,514 --> 01:19:27,863
They worry about iran...
1367
01:19:27,867 --> 01:19:30,610
- And that's not new, they've
been worried for a long...
1368
01:19:30,612 --> 01:19:31,785
- but can
they do anything about it?
1369
01:19:31,786 --> 01:19:35,440
- Well they can get
their own weapons.
1370
01:19:35,441 --> 01:19:36,983
- this is a
region that has more arms
1371
01:19:36,987 --> 01:19:40,174
Per capita than any other
region in the world.
1372
01:19:40,175 --> 01:19:42,038
Much thanks to the
defense industry,
1373
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:43,900
Israel and some of
the arab states are
1374
01:19:43,901 --> 01:19:45,819
Going to be able to
buy more weapons,
1375
01:19:45,823 --> 01:19:48,315
And more advanced weapons.
1376
01:19:48,316 --> 01:19:51,466
If the nuclear threat
from iran is decreasing,
1377
01:19:51,472 --> 01:19:53,269
Why should these other countries
1378
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:56,489
Get a chance to actually
arm themselves more?
1379
01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:58,287
- Pakistan is a friend
of saudi arabia.
1380
01:19:58,288 --> 01:20:00,085
Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
1381
01:20:00,087 --> 01:20:02,169
Are you in discussions
with pakistan about,
1382
01:20:02,171 --> 01:20:05,989
Perhaps, getting a nuclear
bomb from pakistan?
1383
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:07,976
- But wolf we've known
each other for 25 years,
1384
01:20:07,978 --> 01:20:11,384
You don't really expect me
to answer this question.
1385
01:20:15,551 --> 01:20:17,282
- we're not
going to have a truly
1386
01:20:17,288 --> 01:20:20,883
De-militarization in
the region, unless
1387
01:20:20,886 --> 01:20:24,130
Israel's nuclear arsenal
also is addressed.
1388
01:20:25,366 --> 01:20:26,596
The significant
of this peace deal
1389
01:20:26,598 --> 01:20:28,679
Is that it is a game
changer in the region.
1390
01:20:28,681 --> 01:20:30,507
And it's gonna be a
question about the
1391
01:20:30,511 --> 01:20:32,375
Political willingness of leaders
1392
01:20:32,376 --> 01:20:35,050
To whether they will
pursue these opportunities,
1393
01:20:35,056 --> 01:20:38,310
Or whether they will fall
into the patterns of the past.
1394
01:20:58,790 --> 01:21:00,682
- Once you start a war,
1395
01:21:03,744 --> 01:21:06,109
You open a kind
of pandora's box.
1396
01:21:06,112 --> 01:21:09,177
You don't control
it, it controls you.
1397
01:21:10,875 --> 01:21:13,778
The use of that
kind of violence has
1398
01:21:13,779 --> 01:21:16,740
Unforeseen consequences,
that no one can predict.
1399
01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:20,280
And it propels you in directions
1400
01:21:20,281 --> 01:21:21,823
You never thought you'd go.
1401
01:21:21,827 --> 01:21:23,662
That's what war does.
1402
01:21:28,802 --> 01:21:33,466
So, the images of war are
very carefully controlled
1403
01:21:33,473 --> 01:21:36,564
And countered by
the lives that have
1404
01:21:36,565 --> 01:21:40,131
Been disseminated
through every institution
1405
01:21:40,132 --> 01:21:43,508
In society, schools, government,
1406
01:21:43,509 --> 01:21:46,319
Entertainment, the press.
1407
01:21:47,957 --> 01:21:49,972
When you shatter the myth,
1408
01:21:49,978 --> 01:21:51,558
And when you
understand, especially
1409
01:21:51,559 --> 01:21:53,826
What techno-war,
industrial war is about,
1410
01:21:53,828 --> 01:21:56,761
Which is really about
murder, about slaughter,
1411
01:21:56,764 --> 01:21:58,438
People would be so repulsed.
1412
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,180
It would be very
hard to wage war.
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