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The Jews of Hebron are heroes.
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There are 500 of them, surrounded by 120
,000 very, very
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hostile Muslims.
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The settlers in Hebron are illegally
being there.
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What's wrong with Jews living in Hebron?
Why is that illegal?
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This is our land and the Arabs know that
and they have Mecca and they have
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Medina. This is our holy city and we're
going to stay there.
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There's no place under the occupation
that I hate more than Hebron.
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There's no place in the occupation that
I hate more to go and visit than Hebron.
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And I'm doing my best to be there as
little as possible.
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Because in Hebron you get really the
occupation in its most brutal, cruel,
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insane, crazy expression.
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It is really the plate of evil.
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We are from the place where the settlers
lived in Ketel Irmaida, here, from
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1982.
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We live here, our house is here on the
right, the settlers live here on the
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left. We used to pass through this
street, and we would bring our planes to
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enter, and my plane would stop at the
door of the house here.
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This is the settlement of my plane, and
I am not allowed to enter my plane.
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. .
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. . .
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We were here, there was no network here.
It was all dark and dark.
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And when the fire broke out, they put us
under control. Every house we have has
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a network. If the fire breaks out
anywhere, we have to stay there. If the
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breaks out anywhere, we have to stay
there. We have to stay there. We have to
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stay there.
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Thank you very much.
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Timi Chavron is being a pioneer like in
the beginning of
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the State of Israel.
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There are different types of swamps that
people have to deal with. Then there
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were swamps and malaria.
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Now there are security problems and
people who question our right
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to living here. And by living here,
we're stating a fact, and the fact is
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Chavron... is the heart of the Jewish
country.
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And it's where it all began.
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And we just want to have natural Jewish
life here.
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Where did
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he
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fall?
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Today,
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in this situation in Israel, in Israel
land, there are many, many questions.
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are we here? Or may we give anything to
our enemies?
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We are in the middle of a war, even if
we're not saying it loudly.
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And I think that in Hebron, there are
not questions.
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There are only answers. We're here
because of our patriarch, that God
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them that the land belongs to us.
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You can say this is the
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essence. The hard core of the
occupation.
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Because there are settlers living inside
the middle, the kasbah, the center of a
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Palestinian city.
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And you have the Palestinians there. And
they are very extreme.
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And there is an army that's protecting
them and protecting the Palestinians
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against the settlers.
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So you have all the elements for a Greek
drama, you know. This is the essence of
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the occupation.
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You know it's a provocation. You know
it's a provocation. You came to do a
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provocation. It's a private area, by the
way. You came to film. Very nicely.
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You came here, Arabs, who are forbidden
to film.
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Very, very, very.
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After that, you'll come to film our
parts, too. We love you from the bottom
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our hearts.
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We love you.
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We love you. We love you. We love you.
We love you.
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We love you.
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I think the camera is protecting me. I
can be in situations that without
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will be much more hard to bear.
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And with the settlers, you're seeing
stuff here and sometimes thinking, these
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people, what can we do with them?
Because it's so crazy.
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I wish they had a normal life. Let's
hate. Because they hate. All the time
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hate. You see it in their eyes.
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You see in the body language, they're
full of hate.
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We are living in a liberal democracy
with a free press and all of the other
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things that we take for granted in a
democracy. And yet the reality in the
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occupied territories is very, very
different.
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And surprisingly, in spite of the free
press, in spite of the fact that you
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hundreds of journalists.
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covering the situation, it remains the
case that the Israeli public really
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doesn't know what is taking place in the
occupied territories.
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And I think they don't know because they
choose not to know.
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There was a war in 1948,
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a very long war, a very cruel war in
which Israel
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gained 78 % of the country of Palestine
as it existed before.
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There was another war in 1967 in which
Israel conquered the rest
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of Palestine.
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And the moment this war was finished and
we saw this huge territory which we had
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conquered, there was a natural desire
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by some people, to annex it to Israel.
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And after a few weeks and a few months
passed by and we suddenly saw there's no
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pressure at all on Israel to give back
these territories, then slowly
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some people said, why not?
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Why shouldn't we get there and put our
settlements there?
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The idea was to annex these territories.
Wherever there is a settlement, the
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idea is to annex.
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The obstacle is that there is a
Palestinian people living there.
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Then the question arises, how do you
annex all these territories with 2 .5
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million or 3 million Arabs, Palestinians
in them?
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And there are some people who say, just
take these 2 .5 million Palestinians
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and... pushed them out of Palestine, as
we did to half the Palestinian people in
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1948. So these are the settlers. These
are the extreme settlers.
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And the most extreme are in Hebron.
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They throw it at us, at the people
crossing the street.
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That's why they put it there, as a
protection for us.
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Because the stones don't come down on
us, they throw water at us. They throw
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dirty things at us, that come down from
the network, that can cross the network.
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Dirty water from the washing machine.
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Dirty water that has chemical substances
in it. They throw it at people.
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The army eats in plates. They send their
leaders to them in plates.
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They eat in their hearts and throw them
at people.
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What do we want to say? If you want to
talk, we will talk in newspapers.
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We will talk in newspapers.
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It's probably the only city in the West
Bank and Gaza, the occupied Palestinian
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territory, to have settlements that are
implanted at the heart of the city. And
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really the result of that is the slow
death of the Palestinian population
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for the benefit of the expansion of
these settlements.
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You can see this as a trend since 2000,
since the beginning of the recent
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intifada with the closures.
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of all entry points into the old city.
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What we have since 2000 is closed areas
where no Palestinian vehicle movement
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is allowed.
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Another area where Palestinians are not
allowed to go through and no presence of
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Palestinians is allowed.
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And then you have closed shops.
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You can't pass freely. You can't go
freely to your hospital, to your home.
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You can't go freely to another village,
to another city.
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You can't go to your university.
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More and more Palestinians are leaving.
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They are not allowed to open their
shops.
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They are not allowed to access their
homes.
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Even inhabitants are searched whenever
they go in and out.
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They are doing everything possible to
pressure people, to make them
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leave the old city.
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so that settlers can take control.
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This is
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a
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supermarket. This is a studio.
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This is a bakery.
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All the shops were open here.
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People are living here.
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400 people live here.
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They closed the country.
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Living here is really coming back to the
Jewish roots.
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It's the first Jewish city.
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We know that Abraham and Sarah and Isaac
and Rebecca and Jacob and Leah are
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buried here. And according to Jewish
tradition, even Adam and Eve are buried
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here. So it's bringing up a Jewish
family in the place of the Jewish roots,
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the basis of the Jewish people.
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Countries in the world, they would be
defined as fascists, if not worse.
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There are a bunch of 500 or so people
whose aim in life is
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to drive out 160 ,000 Palestinians whom
they consider as strangers.
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These people who have come 30 or 40 or
50 years ago from Europe.
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I believe it's important for everyone to
come and see what's going on here and
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not just have their impression from the
news, because the news is very slanted.
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When people come, they show that this is
a place where people can walk around
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and visit and feel normal in, and it's
not what they see on the
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news, where they think it's just a
military zone.
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I think, you know, a lot of soldiers
come here, and in the beginning they
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you know,
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this is like an army base.
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And then they realize that this is not
an army base, this is a place where
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Jewish people live.
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I remember in the year 2000, 2001 and
2002 and 2003, the whole 30
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,000 inhabitants of the old city of
Hebron were under curfew, 200 days
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in the year. That lasted for two to
three years.
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This caused Palestinian police to shift
from the old city outside.
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I served in Hebron in two different
periods of time. I came first as a
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in the end of 2001 till middle of 2002.
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Then I came back as a commander in March
2003 till like around December.
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And the first two, three weeks that we
came to Hebron, when we went down to the
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city, you were all shocked.
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You know, you're sent to wheeled shops
and doors of Palestinians' houses.
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You see sterilized streets where
Palestinians are forbidden to walk and
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Jews are allowed to walk there. You have
to force curfews all the time, invade
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houses on a daily basis.
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You go and walk in the streets and you
find yourself in front of graffiti
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probably in Germany.
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It sounds familiar, better than to us.
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Such as Arabs to the gas chambers, gas
the Arabs, Arabs out with the stars of
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David and Hebrew in the middle.
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And there was a group of Michael Platoon
in the beginning.
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We were shocked.
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We didn't believe what's going on.
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You come to a place that we have two
sets of law by definition, that the
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are that you have to protect the
settlers, and if you see them attacking
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Palestinians, you're not allowed to
arrest them.
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Of course, there are many military
people who are being sent there and come
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from there full of hatred against the
settlers.
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because the settlers are treating these
military people as servants.
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They treat the military as a kind of
personal security detachment whose job
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to obey and serve the settlers.
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But the Israeli army has been
infiltrated for many years now by the
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and in Hebron this is very obvious. The
army is a part of the settlement. The
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settlement is closely connected with the
army.
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The security presence in Hebron is
heavy.
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Unfortunately, there are people who are
trying to kill us.
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Many of the terrorists that wander
around trying to blow themselves up
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from Be 'er Sheva up to Haifa have come
out of Hebron.
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And the military presence here is to
protect us, but it's also to try to weed
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out these terrorists and sit to it that
they don't get to Tel Aviv and blow
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themselves up.
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Although legally they are there to
protect everyone, to impose the law on
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everyone, the actual soldier stationed
there understands his job as protecting
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the settlers and stopping Palestinian
terror.
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Okay, so we will start.
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Probably will be guided by...
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David Wilder, to the left, and Ofel.
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David is the spokesman for foreign press
of the settlement of Hebron, and Ofel
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is documenting our work.
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I just offered them to speak with you
guys, to give their point of view, and
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they refused because they say they don't
cooperate with traitors during the
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wartime like today, traitors like me.
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So you will get only one perspective
today, and I'm sorry for that.
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I don't call him military.
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Yudas Shaul, who leads the group, in any
other normal country, they would put
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him on trial for treason and hang him.
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But unfortunately, Israel hasn't reached
that level yet of justice.
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People express their opinions.
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Some people are put in jail when they
express their opinions because it's
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incitement and whatever.
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He does what he does.
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That's considered to be legitimate.
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However... I don't relate to them too
much importance.
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Around the beginning of 2004, when I was
in a platoon sergeant, I started to sit
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down and try to imagine my life as a
civilian.
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And for me, that moment, I don't know
how you can call it, but I find it
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difficult in Hebrew to describe it, and
for sure in English, but maybe you can
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call it an enlightenment moment.
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For me, this moment of trying to think
as a civilian, stop thinking as a
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professional combat soldier.
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It's like, I don't know, you wake up
every morning in front of the mirror,
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brush your hair, you brush your teeth,
you see your face, you smile to
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That morning you wake up, you stand in
front of the mirror and suddenly you see
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horns on your head.
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You realize that you're a monster. You
realize, you know, that in the past two
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years and ten months it was the helmet,
gun, and uniform acting something else,
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that it's not Judah.
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But when you think of it one second, you
realize that it is you, that it's not
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the uniform that we're acting without a
person.
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It's you, and you can't take it away.
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You start to realize that something mad
went on.
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And for me, when I realized that, I felt
that I can't continue my life without
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doing something with it.
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And the best way to do it is to bring
people to the field, to let them to
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to touch, to smell, to see.
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And to confront the society with the
moral price of that situation.
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When you love somebody very, very much,
and you love something very much, by
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nature, you stare at that person, you
stare at that thing, you can't keep your
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eyes off of that person or place or
thing.
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And you know, God created the whole
world, but his headquarters is Eretz
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Yisrael. There are many Jewish
communities, and not only Jewish
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which understand the importance of
Hebron to the Jewish people.
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the significance of Hebron, the
significance of Jews living here.
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And people are able to express that
support in different ways.
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Some people come to visit, some people
send letters, some people wish to donate
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some of their money.
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And I think that that proves, without
any doubt, that people understand the
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importance of a Jewish community here in
Hebron.
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Our next stop, we'll go to a museum and
learn about 1929.
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Welcome everyone to Beit HaNassim.
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1929, my friends.
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The Jewish community here lives in a
disillusion that they actually have
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peaceful coexistence with the Arab
neighbors.
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And they feel that here they're safe.
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Here nothing bad will happen to them.
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Here the Arabs would never dare attack
or make problems.
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Here you can see a little bit the people
that were killed and murdered.
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67.
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And remember, in 1929 there was no West
Bank.
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We're not settlers, we're not settlers,
we're not the Galapagos.
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And look what they did to us back then.
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This is just a little flavor of what
they wanted to do to us today.
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During that year in August of 1929,
there were riots throughout Israel.
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Those riots climaxed in Hebron itself
here, where 67 Jews were murdered and
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another 70 were wounded.
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And the people who survived were
expelled. They were thrown out by the
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who were then ruling here.
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And as a result of that, basically, the
Jewish community came to an abrupt end.
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So it's something that I try to stress,
which people have a difficult time
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accepting, but what can you do? It's the
truth.
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When we came to Hebron in 1967, we
didn't occupy a foreign city. We came
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home. We came back to the first Jewish
city in the land of Israel.
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Why don't you look at the faces of those
Jews who were killed?
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Sanctify God's goodness.
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The narrative of the settlement, their
claim starts from, we are a continuation
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to the Jewish community who lived there,
was deported from there by the
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massacre.
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And that's not the truth.
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Of course, there are some people who
come from families who lived there that
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agree with the settlement.
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But there are lots.
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who come from the Jewish community of
Hebron, who are against, you know,
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fundamentally against the settlement of
Hebron, fundamentally against the idea
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that 650 people can, you know, have all
their rights in the back of 150 ,000
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people.
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Shana Azub, Shana Taimzayim, Shana Oz.
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It's a memory, it's a shayta part, a
testimony of what our rabbis said,
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there is no Oz in the Torah.
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It also includes the simple fact that
there is no Oz in the Torah.
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And the inner Oz is a special point that
was
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here in Hebron.
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Usually in Jewish holidays or weekends,
a lot of people come, a lot of settlers
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from Kiryat Alba, a lot of people,
visitors from Jerusalem, from outside.
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And one of the biggest fears of the IDF
was his, that some of the Palestinian
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snipers will sit down here, I don't
know, one of the houses in Abu Sinan,
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will just slot everyone, all the prayers
will walk around the streets.
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So how do you deal with it?
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For sure, weekends or in holidays, you
post curfew on the Palestinians.
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Friday morning, you divide all the
Palestinian neighborhoods around the
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settlement.
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You go, you search all the houses, you
finish your own round, take a rest in
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of the houses, you lock the family in
one room, you put observers on, go to
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sleep. After three hours you wake up,
it's time for the second round.
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And again, that's another aspect of what
it was to live here.
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When they come to check the house, they
ask me to collect all of the family, put
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them in the kitchen or in one room. They
take off all of the clothes, the bags,
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the bed, all of that.
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And many times they come to the house,
they said all of the family outside.
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But I said, I don't care.
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I remember one night we stay.
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from one o 'clock after midnight until
four o 'clock four o 'clock and it was
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raining over our head and they said they
want to check the house and they know
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nothing at the house and they had never
found anything in the house because we
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have nothing 1968
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but after the six -day war and the great
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military victory that God gave to us.
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The Israeli government already back then
wasn't sure, what are we going to do
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with the areas we've liberated in 67?
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Let Jews stay, let Jews move there,
don't let Jews move there.
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And at that time, Ramosha Levinga and
his rabbits in Mirim Levinga get
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and they advertise in the Israeli
newspapers, come spend Pesach downtown
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Hawk Hotel.
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And no sauna, and no swimming pool, and
no great musical entertainers.
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Glacier had a one -star hotel, windows
provided if you pay extra money, 30
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families registered for the Passover
service.
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They were there in this hotel.
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Then the government decided to take them
out of there and put them into the
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military government building, which was
an old British police fortress.
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And then they multiplied, and really the
military government could not function
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anymore. They just turned the military
government building into a private
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settlement. So the government decided,
let them take out of Hebron, let's put
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them into a new settlement called Kiryat
Arba. In 1970, Golda Meir came along,
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said, I got the solution, and that
solution is called Kiryat Arba. And she
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this beautiful, beautiful suburb with
low -interest mortgages, cheap housing,
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Olympic -sized swimming pool, really,
thrown a jacuzzi, tennis court.
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It became a big fascist -dominated
settlement, the center of all fascist
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elements in Israel.
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And then they started from Kiryat Arba
to infiltrate again back into Hebron. So
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slowly, little step after little step
after little step after little step,
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occupied this part of Hebron, where, as
you know, even in this part, the
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settlers are a small minority and they
terrorize.
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the Arab majority into this quarter of
Hebron.
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From the time of the uprising, they
closed down the main door that we used
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get out of.
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We still have a little bit left to go to
Khafif, to steal from the settlers.
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But it's been four years since they took
us from Marra.
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Now we're going to go to the neighbors'
house. We're going to go to the
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neighbors' house, and we're going to
bear the difficulties and suffering, and
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the slums and the walls, so we don't
leave our house for the Jews and the
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settlers to take.
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This is a settlement.
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This is a settlement.
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This is a settlement. This is a
settlement. This is a settlement.
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This is a settlement.
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This is a settlement.
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Even if we don't go out, we want to stay
at home.
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We want to stay at home comfortably. But
we don't know how to cross the door of
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our house.
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Most people stay here.
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We don't know how to live here.
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We don't know how to live here. We don't
know how to live here.
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I have no doubt that if today another
200 ,000 Jews moved into Judea and
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Samaria, a lot of the Arabs who were
here would pick up and leave.
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We don't have to throw them out. I don't
know that today I favor that. I'm not
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looking for forced expulsions of
everybody.
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But I have a feeling that if they see
masses of people coming over, not to
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their homes away from them, just to
settle in the lands here, a lot of them
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just leave.
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Any normal human being have a specific
set that was beyond
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this point. I cannot take it anymore.
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My children cannot take it anymore.
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So I'm going to have to leave.
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So this is my fear. My fear is that the
migration of the Palestinian population
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is going to continue and that the
Israelis...
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The Jewish settlers are going to attain
their goal to transform the old city
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into a Jewish enclave or a Jewish ghetto
that no Palestinians are allowed to go
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through it or live in it.
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Basically, it is a fight about land.
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As I wrote it two weeks ago, a fight
about real estate.
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And the territory is the main core. I'm
not among those who think that this
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dispute in the Middle East is a
religious one.
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It is a nationalistic one. And the main
dispute is about land.
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Look even at the transfer.
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There was a real transfer in Hebron.
Nobody talks about it.
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There are something about 15, 20, 25
,000 people who had to leave their
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It is just because those crazy people
tyrannized their neighbors until they
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had to leave.
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Now, the Chordastri that we're just
walking on used to be the main part of
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Hebron market.
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Try to imagine in your head an oriental
market of a city of 150 ,000 people.
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Since 1994, it's closed down. In the
beginning of the Second Intifada, the
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Shohada Street was announced as a
sterilized street, meaning Palestinians
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prevented even to walk here, not only
drive, not only open the shop, even to
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walk.
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The Palestinians have many, Arab states
with huge territories, if they want a
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Palestinian Muslim government, they can
have that in Saudi Arabia, in Syria, in
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Iraq, in Iran, in Morocco, all those
places where the Arabs live, in Egypt,
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Jordan. We believe in the divine promise
to this country, to the Jewish people,
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people who would like to live as...
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As guests here, they're invited, but to
think that they can run the country,
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that's not possible.
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There's enough states to the Arabs.
There is not Palestinian nation.
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There is not. There was not a nation
before we came here, and they are not
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today. They came from many, many lands
and states.
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They were Bedouin.
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That's what they was.
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There was not Arabs here before we came
here. There was only some hundreds.
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100 ,000? This is not what we are
talking today.
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And we have to look at the eye and
everyone in the world and say, that's
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their land.
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The settlers in Hebron and people like
them have a clear -cut solution
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for the conflict. That is ethnic
cleansing.
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Pure and simple. All the Arabs.
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All the Palestinians have to leave
Palestine.
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If you want on the book of Joshua in the
Bible, God commanded Joshua to kill
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every non -Israeli in the country.
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And after 3 ,000 years or so, they stick
to it. At dawn in the cave
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of the patriarch, sacred to both Arabs
and Jews.
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Baruch Goldstein opened fire with an
automatic rifle. Entered the mosque in
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army uniform and opened fire. A settler
opened fire in a crowded mosque in the
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West Bank town of Hebron. At least 40
Palestinians were killed, scores more
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wounded. Minutes earlier, these people
had been praying, celebrating the Arab
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fast of Ramadan.
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They were mercilessly gunned down by an
Israeli settler. It is one of the most
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militant settlements on the West Bank,
and he was among its most militant
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members. I must remind you that
Goldstein not only killed so many
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00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:06,900
he is directly responsible to all this
wave of suicide bombers who
436
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,440
started only after his massacre.
437
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:11,880
Would I be a Palestinian?
438
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:18,300
I can tell you when you see Hebron and
you see what's happening to them, you
439
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:19,460
only come to one conclusion.
440
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,520
that the Palestinians are one of the
most tolerant people in the world.
441
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:29,260
Even, I would say, one of the less
violent people in the world.
442
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:36,680
Because any people would explode if
people would have done what they are
443
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,680
there.
444
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,600
My name, Asma Dandesh.
445
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:54,830
I am the owner of this house.
446
00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:58,930
I am with my family, and we used to live
here since 50 years.
447
00:39:59,470 --> 00:40:03,410
So it was occupied by... It's now
occupied by 20 people.
448
00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:06,210
Up there? Up there. They are staying
there.
449
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:11,310
But I needed to know... We've heard that
they have taken another house. Which
450
00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:13,030
house? This house. My neighbor.
451
00:40:13,350 --> 00:40:16,890
Who? What's his name? His name is
Shaarawi. He's my neighbor. He was
452
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:20,230
inside this house, and then he go
outside to this land.
453
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:28,580
outside the cities to stay a few weeks
as in summer usually, they come in.
454
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,180
And when we talked to the army, he said,
okay, okay. Then he closed this door to
455
00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:39,900
us and opened that door for the
settlers. This is what did by the
456
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:41,360
government of the army.
457
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:49,220
Well, if they are still going to be
thinking that they are God's chosen
458
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,540
well, we do not believe that God is a
real estate agent saying, okay, this
459
00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:56,100
is for you guys and this land is for
you.
460
00:40:56,620 --> 00:41:02,160
For me specifically, if there's going to
be a God, one of his most important
461
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,180
merits is that he's going to be just,
that he's going to be fair.
462
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,120
He's not going to be saying, okay, these
are my people and the rest of the
463
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,120
people is trash.
464
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,780
This is something that it's not just us
as Palestinians.
465
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:19,180
No other people will accept that, that
treat us as less than human.
466
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,500
And not only that, you're going to take
our land and deprive us of all of our
467
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,880
rights. Nobody, nobody will accept that.
468
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,060
We're going now to visit one of our
friends, Al -Azhar family, Ashim Al
469
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,200
who lives in Tel Romeda.
470
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,880
For sure, the main and the right way to
go to Tel Romeda would be probably up
471
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,880
the hill in the junction.
472
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,920
Take a left, but there are settlement
and the Palestinians can't walk there in
473
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,480
front of the settlement They're only way
in and out out through the way that
474
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,120
will go down
475
00:41:51,120 --> 00:42:01,560
You
476
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:08,380
see this is the part of
477
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:13,000
court of a school as you see from here
And you see the girls, the girls here,
478
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,560
they are waiting for the children until
they come from here.
479
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,740
And as they said, as you see, kill all
of the Arabs.
480
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:23,840
They said in Arabic, kill all of the
Arabs.
481
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,400
This is what they said. And this is
Israel. Israel, there is no Palestine.
482
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,540
is the land of Israel.
483
00:42:56,890 --> 00:43:03,610
The Jewish citizen's child learns from
his first steps how he hates
484
00:43:03,610 --> 00:43:04,610
Arabs.
485
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:11,130
He is reprimanded for hating Arabs to
the extent that the first word he says
486
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:13,070
that he hates every Arab.
487
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:18,990
He knows that their attack is clear, so
we film the attacks that take place. We
488
00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:21,730
film them in the video, and we send them
the video that they are the ones who
489
00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:24,510
are being attacked, and we are the ones
who are being attacked.
490
00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:27,830
They will come to our house and they
will be on our side as well.
491
00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:29,650
And we are the victims and we are the
ones who are being arrested.
492
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,120
We can't just say this is a crazy group
and we have nothing to do with it.
493
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,400
We Israelis, we all carry responsibility
to what is happening in Hebron.
494
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:12,540
And therefore so many times I feel
myself deeply ashamed to be Israeli when
495
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:13,540
see those things.
496
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,160
Because it's on my behalf.
497
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,000
Those people are there under my
government, under my state.
498
00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:24,980
And I'm part of it and each of us
Israelis are part of it. And each of us
499
00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:26,220
Israelis are paying the price.
500
00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:44,250
Life is not easy in Hebron, but we get
much more.
501
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:46,090
We get meaning.
502
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:50,390
We get the knowledge that we are doing
something important.
503
00:44:50,970 --> 00:44:57,490
Of course, for the Jewish people, for
the Jewish history, for the world of
504
00:44:57,730 --> 00:45:03,950
but not only, because we are doing
something very important to the whole
505
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:08,190
Now the whole world tries to find a way
how to...
506
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:12,750
to stand against the terror, against the
Islamic terrorism.
507
00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:19,470
And we show a way, we show the way to
say terror should stop.
508
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:21,110
And it should stop here.
509
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:26,730
Look, please, will you stop them instead
of... Will you please stop?
510
00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:29,530
Will you please use some brains?
511
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:32,610
They are the ones who are attacking.
512
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:41,650
That one hit me.
513
00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:43,310
Sorry, you didn't speak.
514
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:50,090
Beating, hitting, insulting is one of
settler practices of their daily life on
515
00:45:50,090 --> 00:45:55,230
daily basis. And that, again, reflected
in a number of attacks that took place
516
00:45:55,230 --> 00:46:00,690
against internationals who will come in
and they are outraged by the way that
517
00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:01,850
these settlers are behaving.
518
00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:07,900
and they try to reduce to the least
number of incidents of beatings against
519
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:13,100
Palestinians, and they are seen by the
settlers as misrepresenting history, and
520
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:17,200
that it's a given fact that we are the
chosen people, and you as international
521
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,160
are supposed to be actually siding by us
against Arabs and Palestinians, because
522
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,620
this is what God has said.
523
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:30,200
As a Black South African, I can't
comprehend what Israel is trying to do
524
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,200
Palestinians.
525
00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:34,870
You know, they were trying to compare
the two scenarios.
526
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:37,530
But for me, they're incomparable.
527
00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:40,250
We didn't have high walls.
528
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:44,010
We never had a single exit and entry
point.
529
00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:49,930
We never had a street that was per se
only for the other group of people. But
530
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:54,170
could, one way or the other, go to the
same town, enter the same shops.
531
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,060
But here, it's not comparable.
532
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,100
You know, they usually call it
apartheid, but for me, it's
533
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,160
This, for me, is very distrustful.
534
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,960
Hey, Nazi!
535
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,980
I'm old enough to remember what a Nazi
is.
536
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,360
Nazi!
537
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:27,310
We do school patrols at all the schools
at the other end of town.
538
00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:34,310
But there is another organization, the
Ecumenical Accompanyers in Palestine.
539
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:39,070
Their volunteers concentrate on
patrolling here.
540
00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:43,810
And they stay for the morning at the
school and then make sure that the
541
00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:44,810
come home again.
542
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:50,890
And every time there are international
people, they've got no problem with the
543
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:51,890
schedule?
544
00:47:52,799 --> 00:47:55,480
Oh, yes, they had problems with the
second school, yes.
545
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:22,360
Of course we oppose these groups being
here.
546
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,340
For them to come from where they're
coming from, it would be if I walked
547
00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:33,080
hospital and walked into an operating
room and said, I'm here, let me help.
548
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:37,340
The doctor's got the patient open and
you've got five doctors working and the
549
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:41,880
anesthesiologist and the nurses. And
here I am, I'm all set, give me a knife.
550
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,380
They'd look at me and say, but you don't
know anything.
551
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,480
You're going to kill him.
552
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:52,330
And the kids know this as well as we do.
553
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:59,150
You and your fucking Jesus can kiss my
ass, okay?
554
00:48:59,490 --> 00:49:00,448
Go away.
555
00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:01,450
Screw you.
556
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:06,170
Don't camera.
557
00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:07,250
No camera.
558
00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:10,050
I break your camera. Don't take picture.
559
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:13,370
Okay? Screw you, you Nazi.
560
00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:15,010
You fuck.
561
00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:18,390
Don't take camera. I break your camera.
Don't take picture.
562
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:21,500
No picture.
563
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,760
We don't want picture.
564
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,660
You can't come in here. This is not your
house.
565
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:37,820
I would like to see the international
community support us and
566
00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:44,540
give us backing in this activity and to
understand that their
567
00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:48,880
homes are now in danger. You see, the
Islamic terrorism...
568
00:49:49,210 --> 00:49:50,850
attack the whole world now.
569
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:58,750
And if we do not put an end, put a wall
against this terror, all Europe is in
570
00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:01,590
danger. All the Western society.
571
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:05,470
This is my land. This is not your land.
It belongs to these families.
572
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:07,090
You son of a bitch.
573
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:09,090
I'm going to kill you and the person.
574
00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:12,170
You son of a shit.
575
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:14,930
This is my house. This is my land.
576
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:16,510
God gave it to me.
577
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:18,210
And fuck you.
578
00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:27,150
Most of the Israelis have not a
slightest idea what's going on in
579
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:30,310
media hardly shows them. Nobody wants
them to know.
580
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:37,270
And we became a society which cares only
about itself, and even this,
581
00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:38,510
less and less.
582
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:44,290
And all the rest, we have this wonderful
excuse of security.
583
00:50:45,350 --> 00:50:48,890
If this doesn't work, we can always
bring up the Holocaust.
584
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:56,930
citing the late Golda Meir who said that
after the Holocaust the Jews have the
585
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:58,210
right to do whatever they want.
586
00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:00,990
And that's the way of thinking.
587
00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:07,890
And human rights is really something for
Europeans alone, but not for our
588
00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:12,250
reality. We are not dealing with it. We
deal only with our faith.
589
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:17,390
He created the world and he gave Israel
to the Jews.
590
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:24,770
And Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are my
forefathers. Do you dispute that?
591
00:51:26,370 --> 00:51:30,370
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are my
forefathers. Are you disputing that?
592
00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:31,570
What is your children?
593
00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:34,430
I first want to speak truth.
594
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:36,990
I first want to speak about children.
No, no.
595
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:41,010
Just realize that this is the heart
geographically and spiritually of the
596
00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:44,630
people. This is where it all began.
597
00:51:45,070 --> 00:51:47,270
The whole world knows the Bible.
598
00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:54,680
And the Bible, has a lot, a lot of
promises that were promised to
599
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,260
the Jewish people. A lot of them were
promised in Hebron or about Hebron.
600
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:04,220
So I just believe the world has to go
back to the Bible and then they can
601
00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:07,960
understand what Hebron's all about. Tell
your children not to hurt these
602
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,860
children. That's all I have to say to
you. You pardon me. I'm living here. I
603
00:52:11,860 --> 00:52:15,820
know what goes on here. I live here too.
I know what goes on here. I'm living
604
00:52:15,820 --> 00:52:17,520
here for over...
605
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:21,560
30 years, and I know exactly what's
going on here.
606
00:52:21,940 --> 00:52:28,680
And the problem is that we have a Bible,
and
607
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,580
our Bible was stolen, was plagiarized.
608
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,960
I find it very hard to understand how
they can feel like that.
609
00:52:40,780 --> 00:52:46,520
And equating us with Nazis and what
we're doing with the Holocaust,
610
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:53,290
Seems to me a quite extraordinary
reading of what's gone on in the last
611
00:52:53,290 --> 00:52:54,650
60 years.
612
00:52:54,870 --> 00:53:01,350
I was a child in Britain during the
Second World War when the entire
613
00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:06,310
efforts of the whole nation were devoted
to defeating
614
00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:09,310
Nazism and Hitler.
615
00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:16,270
Where we welcomed and cheered on as a
young woman the foundation of the state
616
00:53:16,270 --> 00:53:23,130
Israel, it seemed, faced with the
horrific discovery of
617
00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:28,230
the extent of what had gone on in the
Holocaust, that for the Jewish people to
618
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:34,510
have a land of their own seemed so
entirely right.
619
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:40,430
And, of course, I didn't understand that
this was going to be at the expense of
620
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:41,430
the existing.
621
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,080
You're swimming in hypocrisy, all of
you. You're all a bunch of anti
622
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,600
And you want to see the end of the Jews.
623
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,160
And because of that, you think you use
the Arabs. You use the Arabs.
624
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:07,100
Who beat him then? Who beat him?
625
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,760
Who? Who beat him?
626
00:54:10,340 --> 00:54:11,680
Who beat the boy?
627
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:38,030
I don't know. I don't know.
628
00:54:48,990 --> 00:54:52,290
I don't know.
629
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:30,490
Thank you.
630
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Oh,
631
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:51,620
this is disgusting.
632
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:22,590
There is an imminent corruption process,
moral corruption process, that is part
633
00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:23,590
of occupation.
634
00:56:24,070 --> 00:56:28,850
When you take an 18 -year -old man, you
dress him with uniform, you give him a
635
00:56:28,850 --> 00:56:31,090
gun and the power to control people,
it's like a mask equation.
636
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:34,830
One plus one is two, that's it.
637
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,640
Abusing Palestinians, destroying their
property, looting, shooting against the
638
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,380
orders, or west orders and hurting
innocent people.
639
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,780
It's something that you can't avoid when
you're there.
640
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,700
Because when your mission is to
blindfold and uncap some Palestinians on
641
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:57,300
side, and you see thousands of these
around you every day, every day you know
642
00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:00,900
couple, dozens of them, you can't really
try to see them.
643
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,800
As human beings, you can't really even
have the thoughts, what they think now,
644
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,120
what they feel now, what's going on.
645
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,600
This kid is sitting here 14 hours,
blinded, handcuffed. What's going on
646
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,220
him? He's not a kid anymore.
647
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,640
And it becomes more and more difficult
because the relationship between the
648
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,960
and the settlers doesn't only stay on
this level in the field of, you know,
649
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,120
trusting settlers more because settlers
are on our side.
650
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,040
The real story is the political power
that the settlers have. It's the power
651
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,060
influence the commanders, the brigade
officers.
652
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:38,760
You know, he's the sheriff of Hebron,
right? He controls everything.
653
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,260
He sneezes, all Hebron feels it.
654
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:51,100
And every brigade commander of Hebron
knows that he will confront the settlers
655
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:52,340
and finish his army career.
656
00:57:56,010 --> 00:58:02,030
That's a soldier truck, right? That's
not good, is it?
657
00:58:46,839 --> 00:58:51,320
When I came here in 2001, this building
was still full. This building, so like
658
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,900
around three, four Palestinian families
used to still live here.
659
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:57,280
They were the only one who were allowed
to walk in this road and through the
660
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,280
gate.
661
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:04,020
Today you can see this building is
totally empty. This building has like
662
00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:05,300
or four family left inside.
663
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,040
This building is a very actual story,
this building.
664
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,400
You can see how it's blocked now.
665
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:19,680
The settlers invaded here in the
beginning of February.
666
00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:24,500
And according to Israeli law, if someone
invades, to a property that doesn't
667
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:30,420
earn it, if you don't take him out in
the first 30 days, the only way to take
668
00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:32,820
him out is through a very long legal
procedure.
669
00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:39,120
And during all the history of this
place, every time when they invaded,
670
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,920
were never taken out in the first 30
days.
671
00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:47,880
This time, it was the first incident in
all the history of the settlement there
672
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,900
in Hebron that law was enforced really
in time.
673
00:59:57,930 --> 01:00:01,890
On the one hand, you have massive
investments to set up communities there.
674
01:00:01,890 --> 01:00:06,930
mean, what look like permanent towns and
villages of Jews living in the occupied
675
01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:11,410
territories, but the West Bank has not
been annexed. Military law continues to
676
01:00:11,410 --> 01:00:17,970
apply. So it's quite ambivalent in that
sense. What is the future of those
677
01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:22,530
territories? I mean, in some cases,
Israel maybe is operating contrary to
678
01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:23,530
long -term interests.
679
01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:27,520
that areas that now the government is
talking about pulling out of. I mean, we
680
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,800
have invested a lot of money there. It
will now take a lot of money to uproot
681
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,800
those people.
682
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:11,380
We are
683
01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:26,140
faithful
684
01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:28,120
to God's word.
685
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,640
to the Bible and to the truth, not to
this politician or to others.
686
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,480
You know, in the Israeli history, in the
Jewish history, in the Bible, there
687
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,480
were many kings.
688
01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:40,500
Many of them were evildoers.
689
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:41,900
Many of them were sinners.
690
01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:47,020
And the Bible doesn't say a good word
about them. And the prophet said, you
691
01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:48,020
know, a liar.
692
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,200
He said to the king, Ahab, you are a
murderer.
693
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:57,320
So to be a good Jew is to be faithful to
justice and to truth.
694
01:01:58,050 --> 01:01:59,870
not to a political regime.
695
01:02:00,430 --> 01:02:03,450
It can be a king, it can be a prime
minister, never mind.
696
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:08,430
And this is what I would like to see,
all the moral people in the world that
697
01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:14,630
don't obey to a criminal and corrupted
regime.
698
01:02:38,839 --> 01:02:45,760
I'm not talking to you. Are you pulling
the people
699
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:46,678
out?
700
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:47,680
I'm talking to people.
701
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:50,420
Listen, I'll talk to you next week. I'll
have coffee in Jerusalem.
702
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,400
You're crazy!
703
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:09,090
My fear today, my problem that I have
today isn't with Hebron. My problem
704
01:03:09,090 --> 01:03:12,270
is with the continued existence of the
Jewish people here in the state of
705
01:03:12,270 --> 01:03:15,970
Israel. Because we're committing
suicide. We're virtually committing
706
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:17,850
And this is what we have to stop.
707
01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:23,310
Could it happen? Could an Israeli
government decide to pick us up and
708
01:03:23,310 --> 01:03:24,870
out of our homes in Hebron? Yeah, it
could.
709
01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:28,440
And it could happen anywhere today.
710
01:03:28,820 --> 01:03:33,400
However, if that happens, I think that
we're dealing with a potential threat to
711
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,400
the state of Israel.
712
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,820
And it has to be stopped.
713
01:03:53,740 --> 01:03:58,120
Without returning the whole West Bank,
there will not be a just peace.
714
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,260
There will not be a lasting peace. There
will not be peace.
715
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:09,140
And, you know, time is running out, and
with 250 ,000 settlers in the West Bank,
716
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:15,700
it's becoming almost too late, maybe too
late already, because it will not be
717
01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:19,700
very easy to evacuate them. But without
this...
718
01:04:20,990 --> 01:04:24,390
nothing will move, and we will go just
from one wall to the other.
719
01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:30,970
From
720
01:04:30,970 --> 01:04:41,750
the
721
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:44,610
international law perspective, all
settlements are illegal.
722
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:50,040
The Israeli citizens should not be
living in Hebron. It is occupied
723
01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:54,820
You cannot have the occupier's people
living in that territory.
724
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,240
But when you compound that with the
reality of Hebron, I mean, you have a
725
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,780
hundred settlers, tens of thousands of
Palestinians, and the Palestinians are
726
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:08,960
paying a very severe price in
restrictions on movement, in being
727
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,640
violence, in all of this harassment and
suffering.
728
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,880
as a result of a very small settler
population.
729
01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:20,340
So if we are calling for all the
settlements to be dismantled, it's clear
730
01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:22,940
Hebron has to be first as far as we are
concerned.
731
01:05:51,470 --> 01:05:53,770
It's their policy. They want to push us
to leave.
732
01:05:54,270 --> 01:05:55,430
They attack us.
733
01:05:56,090 --> 01:05:58,670
They want to make us suffering in our
life.
734
01:05:59,390 --> 01:06:02,610
Also, destroy our economic situation.
735
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:09,450
When I have a tree, when I have a life,
I will protect it. I'll try to live in
736
01:06:09,450 --> 01:06:14,190
it. But when I lose everything, they
think that I will leave.
737
01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:21,930
But one day I told them that if I see my
kids, my family dead
738
01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:25,450
body, I will never leave this house.
739
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:30,210
Because my father, he was dead body and
not leave this house.
740
01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:31,910
And I am the same.
741
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:43,870
Look,
742
01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:46,530
look, man.
743
01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:51,669
You are welcome.
744
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:57,250
Come to my house. This is our land here.
745
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:58,650
This is my land.
746
01:06:59,210 --> 01:07:00,750
No, this is my land here.
747
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:26,850
There's no real debate about this in
Israel.
748
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:33,370
The ordinary Israeli has no idea what's
happening there. He does not know. He
749
01:07:33,370 --> 01:07:34,490
does not want to know.
750
01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:40,310
We see here something which we have
known in the darkest day of our history,
751
01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:47,510
namely that after it was finished,
everybody said, I didn't
752
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:48,510
know.
753
01:07:48,569 --> 01:07:52,030
No one told me. I did not know. I did
not know. I did not know. Of course they
754
01:07:52,030 --> 01:07:54,050
did not know because they did not want
to know.
755
01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:56,390
My
756
01:07:56,390 --> 01:08:14,130
main
757
01:08:14,130 --> 01:08:16,450
complaint
758
01:08:17,370 --> 01:08:24,210
My main scream, my main anger is toward
the government who enables all this.
759
01:08:24,729 --> 01:08:31,290
Because you see crazy extremists,
fundamentalists, you have in every
760
01:08:31,729 --> 01:08:37,790
The problem is how much power do they
have and how much freedom do they have
761
01:08:37,790 --> 01:08:42,630
implement their crazy ideas, their
violent ideas, their vicious ideas.
762
01:09:04,569 --> 01:09:10,770
During all the human being history, a
lot of disasters human beings did.
763
01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:13,069
Much worse things than the occupation.
764
01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:14,710
Even in Hebron.
765
01:09:15,790 --> 01:09:17,890
But still very few people did it.
766
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:22,990
A bit more people benefited from it.
767
01:09:23,950 --> 01:09:28,569
But a majority of human beings in the
world were silent with it.
768
01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:29,770
And this is the problem.
769
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:35,910
People must understand that in this
situation you have only two camps.
770
01:09:36,850 --> 01:09:39,010
Either you're for it or against it.
771
01:09:39,270 --> 01:09:41,149
Being silent is being for it.
772
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,920
Not everyone has to, you know, to live a
life of resistance.
773
01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:50,500
But everyone is obligated to stop being
silent.
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