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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,960 The Jews of Hebron are heroes. 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,260 There are 500 of them, surrounded by 120 ,000 very, very 3 00:00:36,260 --> 00:00:37,640 hostile Muslims. 4 00:00:38,620 --> 00:00:42,640 The settlers in Hebron are illegally being there. 5 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,160 What's wrong with Jews living in Hebron? Why is that illegal? 6 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,040 This is our land and the Arabs know that and they have Mecca and they have 7 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,920 Medina. This is our holy city and we're going to stay there. 8 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:22,530 There's no place under the occupation that I hate more than Hebron. 9 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:28,650 There's no place in the occupation that I hate more to go and visit than Hebron. 10 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:33,190 And I'm doing my best to be there as little as possible. 11 00:01:33,910 --> 00:01:40,170 Because in Hebron you get really the occupation in its most brutal, cruel, 12 00:01:40,630 --> 00:01:44,410 insane, crazy expression. 13 00:01:45,450 --> 00:01:48,730 It is really the plate of evil. 14 00:02:23,850 --> 00:02:26,990 We are from the place where the settlers lived in Ketel Irmaida, here, from 15 00:02:26,990 --> 00:02:27,990 1982. 16 00:02:28,610 --> 00:02:32,130 We live here, our house is here on the right, the settlers live here on the 17 00:02:32,130 --> 00:02:36,370 left. We used to pass through this street, and we would bring our planes to 18 00:02:36,370 --> 00:02:38,290 enter, and my plane would stop at the door of the house here. 19 00:02:38,690 --> 00:02:41,330 This is the settlement of my plane, and I am not allowed to enter my plane. 20 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:04,430 . . 21 00:03:04,430 --> 00:03:10,670 . . . 22 00:03:25,290 --> 00:03:30,450 We were here, there was no network here. It was all dark and dark. 23 00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:37,410 And when the fire broke out, they put us under control. Every house we have has 24 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:41,910 a network. If the fire breaks out anywhere, we have to stay there. If the 25 00:03:41,910 --> 00:03:48,390 breaks out anywhere, we have to stay there. We have to stay there. We have to 26 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:49,390 stay there. 27 00:03:54,620 --> 00:04:00,460 Thank you very much. 28 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Timi Chavron is being a pioneer like in the beginning of 29 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,440 the State of Israel. 30 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,540 There are different types of swamps that people have to deal with. Then there 31 00:04:57,540 --> 00:04:58,540 were swamps and malaria. 32 00:04:59,180 --> 00:05:06,120 Now there are security problems and people who question our right 33 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:12,580 to living here. And by living here, we're stating a fact, and the fact is 34 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:15,760 Chavron... is the heart of the Jewish country. 35 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,100 And it's where it all began. 36 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,920 And we just want to have natural Jewish life here. 37 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,440 Where did 38 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:14,940 he 39 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:15,940 fall? 40 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,600 Today, 41 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,480 in this situation in Israel, in Israel land, there are many, many questions. 42 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,540 are we here? Or may we give anything to our enemies? 43 00:06:55,370 --> 00:07:00,090 We are in the middle of a war, even if we're not saying it loudly. 44 00:07:01,470 --> 00:07:03,650 And I think that in Hebron, there are not questions. 45 00:07:03,910 --> 00:07:10,150 There are only answers. We're here because of our patriarch, that God 46 00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:12,190 them that the land belongs to us. 47 00:07:16,990 --> 00:07:23,850 You can say this is the 48 00:07:23,850 --> 00:07:26,880 essence. The hard core of the occupation. 49 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:33,360 Because there are settlers living inside the middle, the kasbah, the center of a 50 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,360 Palestinian city. 51 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,800 And you have the Palestinians there. And they are very extreme. 52 00:07:38,020 --> 00:07:41,540 And there is an army that's protecting them and protecting the Palestinians 53 00:07:41,540 --> 00:07:42,600 against the settlers. 54 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,160 So you have all the elements for a Greek drama, you know. This is the essence of 55 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,160 the occupation. 56 00:07:54,460 --> 00:07:57,480 You know it's a provocation. You know it's a provocation. You came to do a 57 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,120 provocation. It's a private area, by the way. You came to film. Very nicely. 58 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:03,080 You came here, Arabs, who are forbidden to film. 59 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:04,980 Very, very, very. 60 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,680 After that, you'll come to film our parts, too. We love you from the bottom 61 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,040 our hearts. 62 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:11,500 We love you. 63 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,080 We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. 64 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:15,700 We love you. 65 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:29,490 I think the camera is protecting me. I can be in situations that without 66 00:08:29,490 --> 00:08:31,110 will be much more hard to bear. 67 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:38,270 And with the settlers, you're seeing stuff here and sometimes thinking, these 68 00:08:38,270 --> 00:08:41,809 people, what can we do with them? Because it's so crazy. 69 00:08:42,289 --> 00:08:45,810 I wish they had a normal life. Let's hate. Because they hate. All the time 70 00:08:45,810 --> 00:08:46,870 hate. You see it in their eyes. 71 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:50,160 You see in the body language, they're full of hate. 72 00:08:53,140 --> 00:08:59,040 We are living in a liberal democracy with a free press and all of the other 73 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,700 things that we take for granted in a democracy. And yet the reality in the 74 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:04,600 occupied territories is very, very different. 75 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:09,560 And surprisingly, in spite of the free press, in spite of the fact that you 76 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:10,560 hundreds of journalists. 77 00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:14,880 covering the situation, it remains the case that the Israeli public really 78 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,820 doesn't know what is taking place in the occupied territories. 79 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,180 And I think they don't know because they choose not to know. 80 00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:32,100 There was a war in 1948, 81 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:40,060 a very long war, a very cruel war in which Israel 82 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:46,920 gained 78 % of the country of Palestine as it existed before. 83 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:54,940 There was another war in 1967 in which Israel conquered the rest 84 00:09:54,940 --> 00:09:55,940 of Palestine. 85 00:09:56,380 --> 00:10:03,100 And the moment this war was finished and we saw this huge territory which we had 86 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:08,100 conquered, there was a natural desire 87 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,840 by some people, to annex it to Israel. 88 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:22,140 And after a few weeks and a few months passed by and we suddenly saw there's no 89 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:28,940 pressure at all on Israel to give back these territories, then slowly 90 00:10:28,940 --> 00:10:30,400 some people said, why not? 91 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,500 Why shouldn't we get there and put our settlements there? 92 00:10:34,090 --> 00:10:37,910 The idea was to annex these territories. Wherever there is a settlement, the 93 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:38,930 idea is to annex. 94 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:46,130 The obstacle is that there is a Palestinian people living there. 95 00:10:46,550 --> 00:10:52,710 Then the question arises, how do you annex all these territories with 2 .5 96 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:56,130 million or 3 million Arabs, Palestinians in them? 97 00:10:56,530 --> 00:11:02,250 And there are some people who say, just take these 2 .5 million Palestinians 98 00:11:02,250 --> 00:11:07,420 and... pushed them out of Palestine, as we did to half the Palestinian people in 99 00:11:07,420 --> 00:11:13,680 1948. So these are the settlers. These are the extreme settlers. 100 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:16,540 And the most extreme are in Hebron. 101 00:11:30,990 --> 00:11:34,610 They throw it at us, at the people crossing the street. 102 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:37,450 That's why they put it there, as a protection for us. 103 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:43,410 Because the stones don't come down on us, they throw water at us. They throw 104 00:11:43,410 --> 00:11:47,490 dirty things at us, that come down from the network, that can cross the network. 105 00:11:50,850 --> 00:11:52,490 Dirty water from the washing machine. 106 00:11:52,910 --> 00:11:56,110 Dirty water that has chemical substances in it. They throw it at people. 107 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:03,060 The army eats in plates. They send their leaders to them in plates. 108 00:12:03,260 --> 00:12:05,520 They eat in their hearts and throw them at people. 109 00:12:08,460 --> 00:12:12,060 What do we want to say? If you want to talk, we will talk in newspapers. 110 00:12:13,660 --> 00:12:14,840 We will talk in newspapers. 111 00:12:22,650 --> 00:12:26,730 It's probably the only city in the West Bank and Gaza, the occupied Palestinian 112 00:12:26,730 --> 00:12:33,490 territory, to have settlements that are implanted at the heart of the city. And 113 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:39,570 really the result of that is the slow death of the Palestinian population 114 00:12:39,570 --> 00:12:43,690 for the benefit of the expansion of these settlements. 115 00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:48,710 You can see this as a trend since 2000, since the beginning of the recent 116 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:50,750 intifada with the closures. 117 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,320 of all entry points into the old city. 118 00:12:53,940 --> 00:13:00,620 What we have since 2000 is closed areas where no Palestinian vehicle movement 119 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:01,620 is allowed. 120 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,980 Another area where Palestinians are not allowed to go through and no presence of 121 00:13:06,980 --> 00:13:07,980 Palestinians is allowed. 122 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,300 And then you have closed shops. 123 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,540 You can't pass freely. You can't go freely to your hospital, to your home. 124 00:13:21,070 --> 00:13:24,070 You can't go freely to another village, to another city. 125 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:26,490 You can't go to your university. 126 00:13:26,970 --> 00:13:28,870 More and more Palestinians are leaving. 127 00:13:29,090 --> 00:13:30,870 They are not allowed to open their shops. 128 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:33,310 They are not allowed to access their homes. 129 00:13:33,950 --> 00:13:38,690 Even inhabitants are searched whenever they go in and out. 130 00:13:39,170 --> 00:13:45,530 They are doing everything possible to pressure people, to make them 131 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:47,370 leave the old city. 132 00:13:48,140 --> 00:13:50,600 so that settlers can take control. 133 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:18,210 This is 134 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:25,310 a 135 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:27,530 supermarket. This is a studio. 136 00:14:27,930 --> 00:14:29,390 This is a bakery. 137 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:32,090 All the shops were open here. 138 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:33,730 People are living here. 139 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:37,550 400 people live here. 140 00:14:37,770 --> 00:14:38,790 They closed the country. 141 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:53,880 Living here is really coming back to the Jewish roots. 142 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:55,700 It's the first Jewish city. 143 00:14:56,220 --> 00:15:02,680 We know that Abraham and Sarah and Isaac and Rebecca and Jacob and Leah are 144 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,720 buried here. And according to Jewish tradition, even Adam and Eve are buried 145 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:12,720 here. So it's bringing up a Jewish family in the place of the Jewish roots, 146 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,200 the basis of the Jewish people. 147 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:33,840 Countries in the world, they would be defined as fascists, if not worse. 148 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:41,020 There are a bunch of 500 or so people whose aim in life is 149 00:15:41,020 --> 00:15:47,600 to drive out 160 ,000 Palestinians whom they consider as strangers. 150 00:15:48,780 --> 00:15:55,380 These people who have come 30 or 40 or 50 years ago from Europe. 151 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,860 I believe it's important for everyone to come and see what's going on here and 152 00:16:17,860 --> 00:16:22,640 not just have their impression from the news, because the news is very slanted. 153 00:16:24,270 --> 00:16:29,330 When people come, they show that this is a place where people can walk around 154 00:16:29,330 --> 00:16:36,050 and visit and feel normal in, and it's not what they see on the 155 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:38,650 news, where they think it's just a military zone. 156 00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:42,130 I think, you know, a lot of soldiers come here, and in the beginning they 157 00:16:42,190 --> 00:16:43,190 you know, 158 00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:46,270 this is like an army base. 159 00:16:46,590 --> 00:16:49,670 And then they realize that this is not an army base, this is a place where 160 00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:50,670 Jewish people live. 161 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:08,900 I remember in the year 2000, 2001 and 2002 and 2003, the whole 30 162 00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:15,180 ,000 inhabitants of the old city of Hebron were under curfew, 200 days 163 00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:18,880 in the year. That lasted for two to three years. 164 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:24,359 This caused Palestinian police to shift from the old city outside. 165 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,260 I served in Hebron in two different periods of time. I came first as a 166 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:46,020 in the end of 2001 till middle of 2002. 167 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:50,240 Then I came back as a commander in March 2003 till like around December. 168 00:17:51,380 --> 00:17:54,700 And the first two, three weeks that we came to Hebron, when we went down to the 169 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,320 city, you were all shocked. 170 00:17:58,540 --> 00:18:03,940 You know, you're sent to wheeled shops and doors of Palestinians' houses. 171 00:18:04,780 --> 00:18:08,520 You see sterilized streets where Palestinians are forbidden to walk and 172 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,860 Jews are allowed to walk there. You have to force curfews all the time, invade 173 00:18:12,860 --> 00:18:14,160 houses on a daily basis. 174 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,320 You go and walk in the streets and you find yourself in front of graffiti 175 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,320 probably in Germany. 176 00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:22,440 It sounds familiar, better than to us. 177 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:27,680 Such as Arabs to the gas chambers, gas the Arabs, Arabs out with the stars of 178 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,800 David and Hebrew in the middle. 179 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,180 And there was a group of Michael Platoon in the beginning. 180 00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:35,670 We were shocked. 181 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:38,270 We didn't believe what's going on. 182 00:18:39,010 --> 00:18:44,790 You come to a place that we have two sets of law by definition, that the 183 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:47,310 are that you have to protect the settlers, and if you see them attacking 184 00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:49,330 Palestinians, you're not allowed to arrest them. 185 00:18:52,030 --> 00:18:57,950 Of course, there are many military people who are being sent there and come 186 00:18:57,950 --> 00:19:03,070 from there full of hatred against the settlers. 187 00:19:03,820 --> 00:19:07,060 because the settlers are treating these military people as servants. 188 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:14,280 They treat the military as a kind of personal security detachment whose job 189 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,660 to obey and serve the settlers. 190 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:23,280 But the Israeli army has been infiltrated for many years now by the 191 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:28,880 and in Hebron this is very obvious. The army is a part of the settlement. The 192 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,160 settlement is closely connected with the army. 193 00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:03,130 The security presence in Hebron is heavy. 194 00:20:03,630 --> 00:20:05,870 Unfortunately, there are people who are trying to kill us. 195 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:10,230 Many of the terrorists that wander around trying to blow themselves up 196 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:14,730 from Be 'er Sheva up to Haifa have come out of Hebron. 197 00:20:14,970 --> 00:20:20,290 And the military presence here is to protect us, but it's also to try to weed 198 00:20:20,290 --> 00:20:23,470 out these terrorists and sit to it that they don't get to Tel Aviv and blow 199 00:20:23,470 --> 00:20:24,470 themselves up. 200 00:20:30,860 --> 00:20:35,540 Although legally they are there to protect everyone, to impose the law on 201 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:41,860 everyone, the actual soldier stationed there understands his job as protecting 202 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:45,740 the settlers and stopping Palestinian terror. 203 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:55,680 Okay, so we will start. 204 00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:58,240 Probably will be guided by... 205 00:20:59,580 --> 00:21:02,380 David Wilder, to the left, and Ofel. 206 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:08,060 David is the spokesman for foreign press of the settlement of Hebron, and Ofel 207 00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:09,240 is documenting our work. 208 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,480 I just offered them to speak with you guys, to give their point of view, and 209 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,580 they refused because they say they don't cooperate with traitors during the 210 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:20,700 wartime like today, traitors like me. 211 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,680 So you will get only one perspective today, and I'm sorry for that. 212 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,220 I don't call him military. 213 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,700 Yudas Shaul, who leads the group, in any other normal country, they would put 214 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:36,240 him on trial for treason and hang him. 215 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:42,680 But unfortunately, Israel hasn't reached that level yet of justice. 216 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:45,740 People express their opinions. 217 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,780 Some people are put in jail when they express their opinions because it's 218 00:21:49,780 --> 00:21:50,840 incitement and whatever. 219 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:52,340 He does what he does. 220 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,300 That's considered to be legitimate. 221 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:57,890 However... I don't relate to them too much importance. 222 00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:08,890 Around the beginning of 2004, when I was in a platoon sergeant, I started to sit 223 00:22:08,890 --> 00:22:10,890 down and try to imagine my life as a civilian. 224 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:17,950 And for me, that moment, I don't know how you can call it, but I find it 225 00:22:17,950 --> 00:22:22,130 difficult in Hebrew to describe it, and for sure in English, but maybe you can 226 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:23,590 call it an enlightenment moment. 227 00:22:24,060 --> 00:22:27,440 For me, this moment of trying to think as a civilian, stop thinking as a 228 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,760 professional combat soldier. 229 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,380 It's like, I don't know, you wake up every morning in front of the mirror, 230 00:22:32,380 --> 00:22:35,020 brush your hair, you brush your teeth, you see your face, you smile to 231 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,480 That morning you wake up, you stand in front of the mirror and suddenly you see 232 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,480 horns on your head. 233 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,820 You realize that you're a monster. You realize, you know, that in the past two 234 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:47,200 years and ten months it was the helmet, gun, and uniform acting something else, 235 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,200 that it's not Judah. 236 00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:52,330 But when you think of it one second, you realize that it is you, that it's not 237 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:54,130 the uniform that we're acting without a person. 238 00:22:54,550 --> 00:22:56,130 It's you, and you can't take it away. 239 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:59,070 You start to realize that something mad went on. 240 00:23:00,190 --> 00:23:03,810 And for me, when I realized that, I felt that I can't continue my life without 241 00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:04,910 doing something with it. 242 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:09,430 And the best way to do it is to bring people to the field, to let them to 243 00:23:09,530 --> 00:23:11,710 to touch, to smell, to see. 244 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:17,350 And to confront the society with the moral price of that situation. 245 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,680 When you love somebody very, very much, and you love something very much, by 246 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:34,520 nature, you stare at that person, you stare at that thing, you can't keep your 247 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,140 eyes off of that person or place or thing. 248 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,460 And you know, God created the whole world, but his headquarters is Eretz 249 00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:46,800 Yisrael. There are many Jewish communities, and not only Jewish 250 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,620 which understand the importance of Hebron to the Jewish people. 251 00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:55,520 the significance of Hebron, the significance of Jews living here. 252 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:59,400 And people are able to express that support in different ways. 253 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,400 Some people come to visit, some people send letters, some people wish to donate 254 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,400 some of their money. 255 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:10,120 And I think that that proves, without any doubt, that people understand the 256 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,140 importance of a Jewish community here in Hebron. 257 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,620 Our next stop, we'll go to a museum and learn about 1929. 258 00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:21,280 Welcome everyone to Beit HaNassim. 259 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,080 1929, my friends. 260 00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:45,440 The Jewish community here lives in a disillusion that they actually have 261 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,420 peaceful coexistence with the Arab neighbors. 262 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,760 And they feel that here they're safe. 263 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:51,900 Here nothing bad will happen to them. 264 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,080 Here the Arabs would never dare attack or make problems. 265 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,580 Here you can see a little bit the people that were killed and murdered. 266 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,600 67. 267 00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:06,300 And remember, in 1929 there was no West Bank. 268 00:25:07,139 --> 00:25:10,100 We're not settlers, we're not settlers, we're not the Galapagos. 269 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,980 And look what they did to us back then. 270 00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:16,280 This is just a little flavor of what they wanted to do to us today. 271 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:22,000 During that year in August of 1929, there were riots throughout Israel. 272 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:28,920 Those riots climaxed in Hebron itself here, where 67 Jews were murdered and 273 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,320 another 70 were wounded. 274 00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:33,880 And the people who survived were expelled. They were thrown out by the 275 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,880 who were then ruling here. 276 00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:39,850 And as a result of that, basically, the Jewish community came to an abrupt end. 277 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:44,510 So it's something that I try to stress, which people have a difficult time 278 00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:47,370 accepting, but what can you do? It's the truth. 279 00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:53,450 When we came to Hebron in 1967, we didn't occupy a foreign city. We came 280 00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:56,710 home. We came back to the first Jewish city in the land of Israel. 281 00:25:57,070 --> 00:26:01,610 Why don't you look at the faces of those Jews who were killed? 282 00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:03,890 Sanctify God's goodness. 283 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:13,130 The narrative of the settlement, their claim starts from, we are a continuation 284 00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:18,150 to the Jewish community who lived there, was deported from there by the 285 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:19,150 massacre. 286 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:22,610 And that's not the truth. 287 00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:30,530 Of course, there are some people who come from families who lived there that 288 00:26:30,530 --> 00:26:31,530 agree with the settlement. 289 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:33,610 But there are lots. 290 00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:39,190 who come from the Jewish community of Hebron, who are against, you know, 291 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:43,650 fundamentally against the settlement of Hebron, fundamentally against the idea 292 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:49,650 that 650 people can, you know, have all their rights in the back of 150 ,000 293 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:50,650 people. 294 00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:07,340 Shana Azub, Shana Taimzayim, Shana Oz. 295 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:15,540 It's a memory, it's a shayta part, a testimony of what our rabbis said, 296 00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:16,940 there is no Oz in the Torah. 297 00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:22,380 It also includes the simple fact that there is no Oz in the Torah. 298 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:29,540 And the inner Oz is a special point that was 299 00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:31,140 here in Hebron. 300 00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:36,830 Usually in Jewish holidays or weekends, a lot of people come, a lot of settlers 301 00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:39,450 from Kiryat Alba, a lot of people, visitors from Jerusalem, from outside. 302 00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:46,530 And one of the biggest fears of the IDF was his, that some of the Palestinian 303 00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:49,670 snipers will sit down here, I don't know, one of the houses in Abu Sinan, 304 00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:52,550 will just slot everyone, all the prayers will walk around the streets. 305 00:27:53,490 --> 00:27:54,670 So how do you deal with it? 306 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:59,330 For sure, weekends or in holidays, you post curfew on the Palestinians. 307 00:28:01,139 --> 00:28:04,860 Friday morning, you divide all the Palestinian neighborhoods around the 308 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:05,860 settlement. 309 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,300 You go, you search all the houses, you finish your own round, take a rest in 310 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:14,340 of the houses, you lock the family in one room, you put observers on, go to 311 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:17,660 sleep. After three hours you wake up, it's time for the second round. 312 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,220 And again, that's another aspect of what it was to live here. 313 00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:35,750 When they come to check the house, they ask me to collect all of the family, put 314 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:40,890 them in the kitchen or in one room. They take off all of the clothes, the bags, 315 00:28:41,050 --> 00:28:43,250 the bed, all of that. 316 00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:49,270 And many times they come to the house, they said all of the family outside. 317 00:28:49,570 --> 00:28:51,910 But I said, I don't care. 318 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:55,610 I remember one night we stay. 319 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,380 from one o 'clock after midnight until four o 'clock four o 'clock and it was 320 00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:07,400 raining over our head and they said they want to check the house and they know 321 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,260 nothing at the house and they had never found anything in the house because we 322 00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:19,100 have nothing 1968 323 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:22,640 but after the six -day war and the great 324 00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:25,760 military victory that God gave to us. 325 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:29,800 The Israeli government already back then wasn't sure, what are we going to do 326 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,380 with the areas we've liberated in 67? 327 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,920 Let Jews stay, let Jews move there, don't let Jews move there. 328 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,660 And at that time, Ramosha Levinga and his rabbits in Mirim Levinga get 329 00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:44,200 and they advertise in the Israeli newspapers, come spend Pesach downtown 330 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:45,260 Hawk Hotel. 331 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,200 And no sauna, and no swimming pool, and no great musical entertainers. 332 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:57,990 Glacier had a one -star hotel, windows provided if you pay extra money, 30 333 00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:59,830 families registered for the Passover service. 334 00:30:00,090 --> 00:30:01,850 They were there in this hotel. 335 00:30:02,150 --> 00:30:07,090 Then the government decided to take them out of there and put them into the 336 00:30:07,090 --> 00:30:13,530 military government building, which was an old British police fortress. 337 00:30:14,770 --> 00:30:20,770 And then they multiplied, and really the military government could not function 338 00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:25,140 anymore. They just turned the military government building into a private 339 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:29,680 settlement. So the government decided, let them take out of Hebron, let's put 340 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,560 them into a new settlement called Kiryat Arba. In 1970, Golda Meir came along, 341 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,800 said, I got the solution, and that solution is called Kiryat Arba. And she 342 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,240 this beautiful, beautiful suburb with low -interest mortgages, cheap housing, 343 00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:50,840 Olympic -sized swimming pool, really, thrown a jacuzzi, tennis court. 344 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,340 It became a big fascist -dominated settlement, the center of all fascist 345 00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:58,340 elements in Israel. 346 00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:05,880 And then they started from Kiryat Arba to infiltrate again back into Hebron. So 347 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,580 slowly, little step after little step after little step after little step, 348 00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:16,400 occupied this part of Hebron, where, as you know, even in this part, the 349 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,380 settlers are a small minority and they terrorize. 350 00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:22,760 the Arab majority into this quarter of Hebron. 351 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,820 From the time of the uprising, they closed down the main door that we used 352 00:31:51,820 --> 00:31:52,739 get out of. 353 00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:57,060 We still have a little bit left to go to Khafif, to steal from the settlers. 354 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,880 But it's been four years since they took us from Marra. 355 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,460 Now we're going to go to the neighbors' house. We're going to go to the 356 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:09,180 neighbors' house, and we're going to bear the difficulties and suffering, and 357 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:14,480 the slums and the walls, so we don't leave our house for the Jews and the 358 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,780 settlers to take. 359 00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:19,350 This is a settlement. 360 00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:21,750 This is a settlement. 361 00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:24,670 This is a settlement. This is a settlement. This is a settlement. 362 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:26,490 This is a settlement. 363 00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:28,970 This is a settlement. 364 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:46,210 Even if we don't go out, we want to stay at home. 365 00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:51,570 We want to stay at home comfortably. But we don't know how to cross the door of 366 00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:52,570 our house. 367 00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:54,810 Most people stay here. 368 00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:58,590 We don't know how to live here. 369 00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:03,270 We don't know how to live here. We don't know how to live here. 370 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,480 I have no doubt that if today another 200 ,000 Jews moved into Judea and 371 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,780 Samaria, a lot of the Arabs who were here would pick up and leave. 372 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,660 We don't have to throw them out. I don't know that today I favor that. I'm not 373 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:32,360 looking for forced expulsions of everybody. 374 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:38,300 But I have a feeling that if they see masses of people coming over, not to 375 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:42,420 their homes away from them, just to settle in the lands here, a lot of them 376 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:43,420 just leave. 377 00:33:50,290 --> 00:33:56,090 Any normal human being have a specific set that was beyond 378 00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:59,030 this point. I cannot take it anymore. 379 00:33:59,270 --> 00:34:00,850 My children cannot take it anymore. 380 00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:03,510 So I'm going to have to leave. 381 00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:10,310 So this is my fear. My fear is that the migration of the Palestinian population 382 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:13,010 is going to continue and that the Israelis... 383 00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:18,790 The Jewish settlers are going to attain their goal to transform the old city 384 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:24,330 into a Jewish enclave or a Jewish ghetto that no Palestinians are allowed to go 385 00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:25,510 through it or live in it. 386 00:34:33,489 --> 00:34:36,870 Basically, it is a fight about land. 387 00:34:37,929 --> 00:34:40,909 As I wrote it two weeks ago, a fight about real estate. 388 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,920 And the territory is the main core. I'm not among those who think that this 389 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,000 dispute in the Middle East is a religious one. 390 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,480 It is a nationalistic one. And the main dispute is about land. 391 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,540 Look even at the transfer. 392 00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:05,380 There was a real transfer in Hebron. Nobody talks about it. 393 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:11,420 There are something about 15, 20, 25 ,000 people who had to leave their 394 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:19,400 It is just because those crazy people tyrannized their neighbors until they 395 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,400 had to leave. 396 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:31,540 Now, the Chordastri that we're just walking on used to be the main part of 397 00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:32,538 Hebron market. 398 00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:39,540 Try to imagine in your head an oriental market of a city of 150 ,000 people. 399 00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:43,950 Since 1994, it's closed down. In the beginning of the Second Intifada, the 400 00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:47,590 Shohada Street was announced as a sterilized street, meaning Palestinians 401 00:35:47,590 --> 00:35:53,950 prevented even to walk here, not only drive, not only open the shop, even to 402 00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:54,950 walk. 403 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:14,610 The Palestinians have many, Arab states with huge territories, if they want a 404 00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:19,950 Palestinian Muslim government, they can have that in Saudi Arabia, in Syria, in 405 00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:25,670 Iraq, in Iran, in Morocco, all those places where the Arabs live, in Egypt, 406 00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:32,050 Jordan. We believe in the divine promise to this country, to the Jewish people, 407 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,950 people who would like to live as... 408 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:40,400 As guests here, they're invited, but to think that they can run the country, 409 00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:42,160 that's not possible. 410 00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:14,260 There's enough states to the Arabs. There is not Palestinian nation. 411 00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:19,960 There is not. There was not a nation before we came here, and they are not 412 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,100 today. They came from many, many lands and states. 413 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:25,560 They were Bedouin. 414 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,760 That's what they was. 415 00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:32,800 There was not Arabs here before we came here. There was only some hundreds. 416 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,640 100 ,000? This is not what we are talking today. 417 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,960 And we have to look at the eye and everyone in the world and say, that's 418 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,180 their land. 419 00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:56,960 The settlers in Hebron and people like them have a clear -cut solution 420 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,020 for the conflict. That is ethnic cleansing. 421 00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:02,820 Pure and simple. All the Arabs. 422 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:06,300 All the Palestinians have to leave Palestine. 423 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,740 If you want on the book of Joshua in the Bible, God commanded Joshua to kill 424 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:16,620 every non -Israeli in the country. 425 00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:23,840 And after 3 ,000 years or so, they stick to it. At dawn in the cave 426 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,840 of the patriarch, sacred to both Arabs and Jews. 427 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:31,240 Baruch Goldstein opened fire with an automatic rifle. Entered the mosque in 428 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,900 army uniform and opened fire. A settler opened fire in a crowded mosque in the 429 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:40,460 West Bank town of Hebron. At least 40 Palestinians were killed, scores more 430 00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:44,800 wounded. Minutes earlier, these people had been praying, celebrating the Arab 431 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,800 fast of Ramadan. 432 00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:50,020 They were mercilessly gunned down by an Israeli settler. It is one of the most 433 00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:53,600 militant settlements on the West Bank, and he was among its most militant 434 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:59,700 members. I must remind you that Goldstein not only killed so many 435 00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:06,900 he is directly responsible to all this wave of suicide bombers who 436 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,440 started only after his massacre. 437 00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:11,880 Would I be a Palestinian? 438 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:18,300 I can tell you when you see Hebron and you see what's happening to them, you 439 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:19,460 only come to one conclusion. 440 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,520 that the Palestinians are one of the most tolerant people in the world. 441 00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:29,260 Even, I would say, one of the less violent people in the world. 442 00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:36,680 Because any people would explode if people would have done what they are 443 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,680 there. 444 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,600 My name, Asma Dandesh. 445 00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:54,830 I am the owner of this house. 446 00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:58,930 I am with my family, and we used to live here since 50 years. 447 00:39:59,470 --> 00:40:03,410 So it was occupied by... It's now occupied by 20 people. 448 00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:06,210 Up there? Up there. They are staying there. 449 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:11,310 But I needed to know... We've heard that they have taken another house. Which 450 00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:13,030 house? This house. My neighbor. 451 00:40:13,350 --> 00:40:16,890 Who? What's his name? His name is Shaarawi. He's my neighbor. He was 452 00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:20,230 inside this house, and then he go outside to this land. 453 00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:28,580 outside the cities to stay a few weeks as in summer usually, they come in. 454 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,180 And when we talked to the army, he said, okay, okay. Then he closed this door to 455 00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:39,900 us and opened that door for the settlers. This is what did by the 456 00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:41,360 government of the army. 457 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:49,220 Well, if they are still going to be thinking that they are God's chosen 458 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,540 well, we do not believe that God is a real estate agent saying, okay, this 459 00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:56,100 is for you guys and this land is for you. 460 00:40:56,620 --> 00:41:02,160 For me specifically, if there's going to be a God, one of his most important 461 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,180 merits is that he's going to be just, that he's going to be fair. 462 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,120 He's not going to be saying, okay, these are my people and the rest of the 463 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,120 people is trash. 464 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,780 This is something that it's not just us as Palestinians. 465 00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:19,180 No other people will accept that, that treat us as less than human. 466 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,500 And not only that, you're going to take our land and deprive us of all of our 467 00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,880 rights. Nobody, nobody will accept that. 468 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,060 We're going now to visit one of our friends, Al -Azhar family, Ashim Al 469 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,200 who lives in Tel Romeda. 470 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,880 For sure, the main and the right way to go to Tel Romeda would be probably up 471 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,880 the hill in the junction. 472 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,920 Take a left, but there are settlement and the Palestinians can't walk there in 473 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,480 front of the settlement They're only way in and out out through the way that 474 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,120 will go down 475 00:41:51,120 --> 00:42:01,560 You 476 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:08,380 see this is the part of 477 00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:13,000 court of a school as you see from here And you see the girls, the girls here, 478 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,560 they are waiting for the children until they come from here. 479 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,740 And as they said, as you see, kill all of the Arabs. 480 00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:23,840 They said in Arabic, kill all of the Arabs. 481 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,400 This is what they said. And this is Israel. Israel, there is no Palestine. 482 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,540 is the land of Israel. 483 00:42:56,890 --> 00:43:03,610 The Jewish citizen's child learns from his first steps how he hates 484 00:43:03,610 --> 00:43:04,610 Arabs. 485 00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:11,130 He is reprimanded for hating Arabs to the extent that the first word he says 486 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:13,070 that he hates every Arab. 487 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:18,990 He knows that their attack is clear, so we film the attacks that take place. We 488 00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:21,730 film them in the video, and we send them the video that they are the ones who 489 00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:24,510 are being attacked, and we are the ones who are being attacked. 490 00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:27,830 They will come to our house and they will be on our side as well. 491 00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:29,650 And we are the victims and we are the ones who are being arrested. 492 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,120 We can't just say this is a crazy group and we have nothing to do with it. 493 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,400 We Israelis, we all carry responsibility to what is happening in Hebron. 494 00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:12,540 And therefore so many times I feel myself deeply ashamed to be Israeli when 495 00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:13,540 see those things. 496 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,160 Because it's on my behalf. 497 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,000 Those people are there under my government, under my state. 498 00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:24,980 And I'm part of it and each of us Israelis are part of it. And each of us 499 00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:26,220 Israelis are paying the price. 500 00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:44,250 Life is not easy in Hebron, but we get much more. 501 00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:46,090 We get meaning. 502 00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:50,390 We get the knowledge that we are doing something important. 503 00:44:50,970 --> 00:44:57,490 Of course, for the Jewish people, for the Jewish history, for the world of 504 00:44:57,730 --> 00:45:03,950 but not only, because we are doing something very important to the whole 505 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:08,190 Now the whole world tries to find a way how to... 506 00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:12,750 to stand against the terror, against the Islamic terrorism. 507 00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:19,470 And we show a way, we show the way to say terror should stop. 508 00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:21,110 And it should stop here. 509 00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:26,730 Look, please, will you stop them instead of... Will you please stop? 510 00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:29,530 Will you please use some brains? 511 00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:32,610 They are the ones who are attacking. 512 00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:41,650 That one hit me. 513 00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:43,310 Sorry, you didn't speak. 514 00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:50,090 Beating, hitting, insulting is one of settler practices of their daily life on 515 00:45:50,090 --> 00:45:55,230 daily basis. And that, again, reflected in a number of attacks that took place 516 00:45:55,230 --> 00:46:00,690 against internationals who will come in and they are outraged by the way that 517 00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:01,850 these settlers are behaving. 518 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:07,900 and they try to reduce to the least number of incidents of beatings against 519 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:13,100 Palestinians, and they are seen by the settlers as misrepresenting history, and 520 00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:17,200 that it's a given fact that we are the chosen people, and you as international 521 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,160 are supposed to be actually siding by us against Arabs and Palestinians, because 522 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,620 this is what God has said. 523 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:30,200 As a Black South African, I can't comprehend what Israel is trying to do 524 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,200 Palestinians. 525 00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:34,870 You know, they were trying to compare the two scenarios. 526 00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:37,530 But for me, they're incomparable. 527 00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:40,250 We didn't have high walls. 528 00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:44,010 We never had a single exit and entry point. 529 00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:49,930 We never had a street that was per se only for the other group of people. But 530 00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:54,170 could, one way or the other, go to the same town, enter the same shops. 531 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,060 But here, it's not comparable. 532 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,100 You know, they usually call it apartheid, but for me, it's 533 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,160 This, for me, is very distrustful. 534 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,960 Hey, Nazi! 535 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,980 I'm old enough to remember what a Nazi is. 536 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,360 Nazi! 537 00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:27,310 We do school patrols at all the schools at the other end of town. 538 00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:34,310 But there is another organization, the Ecumenical Accompanyers in Palestine. 539 00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:39,070 Their volunteers concentrate on patrolling here. 540 00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:43,810 And they stay for the morning at the school and then make sure that the 541 00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:44,810 come home again. 542 00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:50,890 And every time there are international people, they've got no problem with the 543 00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:51,890 schedule? 544 00:47:52,799 --> 00:47:55,480 Oh, yes, they had problems with the second school, yes. 545 00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:22,360 Of course we oppose these groups being here. 546 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,340 For them to come from where they're coming from, it would be if I walked 547 00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:33,080 hospital and walked into an operating room and said, I'm here, let me help. 548 00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:37,340 The doctor's got the patient open and you've got five doctors working and the 549 00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:41,880 anesthesiologist and the nurses. And here I am, I'm all set, give me a knife. 550 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,380 They'd look at me and say, but you don't know anything. 551 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,480 You're going to kill him. 552 00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:52,330 And the kids know this as well as we do. 553 00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:59,150 You and your fucking Jesus can kiss my ass, okay? 554 00:48:59,490 --> 00:49:00,448 Go away. 555 00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:01,450 Screw you. 556 00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:06,170 Don't camera. 557 00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:07,250 No camera. 558 00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:10,050 I break your camera. Don't take picture. 559 00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:13,370 Okay? Screw you, you Nazi. 560 00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:15,010 You fuck. 561 00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:18,390 Don't take camera. I break your camera. Don't take picture. 562 00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:21,500 No picture. 563 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,760 We don't want picture. 564 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,660 You can't come in here. This is not your house. 565 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:37,820 I would like to see the international community support us and 566 00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:44,540 give us backing in this activity and to understand that their 567 00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:48,880 homes are now in danger. You see, the Islamic terrorism... 568 00:49:49,210 --> 00:49:50,850 attack the whole world now. 569 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:58,750 And if we do not put an end, put a wall against this terror, all Europe is in 570 00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:01,590 danger. All the Western society. 571 00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:05,470 This is my land. This is not your land. It belongs to these families. 572 00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:07,090 You son of a bitch. 573 00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:09,090 I'm going to kill you and the person. 574 00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:12,170 You son of a shit. 575 00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:14,930 This is my house. This is my land. 576 00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:16,510 God gave it to me. 577 00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:18,210 And fuck you. 578 00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:27,150 Most of the Israelis have not a slightest idea what's going on in 579 00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:30,310 media hardly shows them. Nobody wants them to know. 580 00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:37,270 And we became a society which cares only about itself, and even this, 581 00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:38,510 less and less. 582 00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:44,290 And all the rest, we have this wonderful excuse of security. 583 00:50:45,350 --> 00:50:48,890 If this doesn't work, we can always bring up the Holocaust. 584 00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:56,930 citing the late Golda Meir who said that after the Holocaust the Jews have the 585 00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:58,210 right to do whatever they want. 586 00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:00,990 And that's the way of thinking. 587 00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:07,890 And human rights is really something for Europeans alone, but not for our 588 00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:12,250 reality. We are not dealing with it. We deal only with our faith. 589 00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:17,390 He created the world and he gave Israel to the Jews. 590 00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:24,770 And Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are my forefathers. Do you dispute that? 591 00:51:26,370 --> 00:51:30,370 Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are my forefathers. Are you disputing that? 592 00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:31,570 What is your children? 593 00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:34,430 I first want to speak truth. 594 00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:36,990 I first want to speak about children. No, no. 595 00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:41,010 Just realize that this is the heart geographically and spiritually of the 596 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:44,630 people. This is where it all began. 597 00:51:45,070 --> 00:51:47,270 The whole world knows the Bible. 598 00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:54,680 And the Bible, has a lot, a lot of promises that were promised to 599 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,260 the Jewish people. A lot of them were promised in Hebron or about Hebron. 600 00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:04,220 So I just believe the world has to go back to the Bible and then they can 601 00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:07,960 understand what Hebron's all about. Tell your children not to hurt these 602 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,860 children. That's all I have to say to you. You pardon me. I'm living here. I 603 00:52:11,860 --> 00:52:15,820 know what goes on here. I live here too. I know what goes on here. I'm living 604 00:52:15,820 --> 00:52:17,520 here for over... 605 00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:21,560 30 years, and I know exactly what's going on here. 606 00:52:21,940 --> 00:52:28,680 And the problem is that we have a Bible, and 607 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,580 our Bible was stolen, was plagiarized. 608 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,960 I find it very hard to understand how they can feel like that. 609 00:52:40,780 --> 00:52:46,520 And equating us with Nazis and what we're doing with the Holocaust, 610 00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:53,290 Seems to me a quite extraordinary reading of what's gone on in the last 611 00:52:53,290 --> 00:52:54,650 60 years. 612 00:52:54,870 --> 00:53:01,350 I was a child in Britain during the Second World War when the entire 613 00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:06,310 efforts of the whole nation were devoted to defeating 614 00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:09,310 Nazism and Hitler. 615 00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:16,270 Where we welcomed and cheered on as a young woman the foundation of the state 616 00:53:16,270 --> 00:53:23,130 Israel, it seemed, faced with the horrific discovery of 617 00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:28,230 the extent of what had gone on in the Holocaust, that for the Jewish people to 618 00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:34,510 have a land of their own seemed so entirely right. 619 00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:40,430 And, of course, I didn't understand that this was going to be at the expense of 620 00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:41,430 the existing. 621 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,080 You're swimming in hypocrisy, all of you. You're all a bunch of anti 622 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,600 And you want to see the end of the Jews. 623 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,160 And because of that, you think you use the Arabs. You use the Arabs. 624 00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:07,100 Who beat him then? Who beat him? 625 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,760 Who? Who beat him? 626 00:54:10,340 --> 00:54:11,680 Who beat the boy? 627 00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:38,030 I don't know. I don't know. 628 00:54:48,990 --> 00:54:52,290 I don't know. 629 00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:30,490 Thank you. 630 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,960 Oh, 631 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:51,620 this is disgusting. 632 00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:22,590 There is an imminent corruption process, moral corruption process, that is part 633 00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:23,590 of occupation. 634 00:56:24,070 --> 00:56:28,850 When you take an 18 -year -old man, you dress him with uniform, you give him a 635 00:56:28,850 --> 00:56:31,090 gun and the power to control people, it's like a mask equation. 636 00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:34,830 One plus one is two, that's it. 637 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,640 Abusing Palestinians, destroying their property, looting, shooting against the 638 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,380 orders, or west orders and hurting innocent people. 639 00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,780 It's something that you can't avoid when you're there. 640 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,700 Because when your mission is to blindfold and uncap some Palestinians on 641 00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:57,300 side, and you see thousands of these around you every day, every day you know 642 00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:00,900 couple, dozens of them, you can't really try to see them. 643 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,800 As human beings, you can't really even have the thoughts, what they think now, 644 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,120 what they feel now, what's going on. 645 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,600 This kid is sitting here 14 hours, blinded, handcuffed. What's going on 646 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,220 him? He's not a kid anymore. 647 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,640 And it becomes more and more difficult because the relationship between the 648 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,960 and the settlers doesn't only stay on this level in the field of, you know, 649 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,120 trusting settlers more because settlers are on our side. 650 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,040 The real story is the political power that the settlers have. It's the power 651 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,060 influence the commanders, the brigade officers. 652 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:38,760 You know, he's the sheriff of Hebron, right? He controls everything. 653 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,260 He sneezes, all Hebron feels it. 654 00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:51,100 And every brigade commander of Hebron knows that he will confront the settlers 655 00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:52,340 and finish his army career. 656 00:57:56,010 --> 00:58:02,030 That's a soldier truck, right? That's not good, is it? 657 00:58:46,839 --> 00:58:51,320 When I came here in 2001, this building was still full. This building, so like 658 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,900 around three, four Palestinian families used to still live here. 659 00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:57,280 They were the only one who were allowed to walk in this road and through the 660 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,280 gate. 661 00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:04,020 Today you can see this building is totally empty. This building has like 662 00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:05,300 or four family left inside. 663 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,040 This building is a very actual story, this building. 664 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,400 You can see how it's blocked now. 665 00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:19,680 The settlers invaded here in the beginning of February. 666 00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:24,500 And according to Israeli law, if someone invades, to a property that doesn't 667 00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:30,420 earn it, if you don't take him out in the first 30 days, the only way to take 668 00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:32,820 him out is through a very long legal procedure. 669 00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:39,120 And during all the history of this place, every time when they invaded, 670 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,920 were never taken out in the first 30 days. 671 00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:47,880 This time, it was the first incident in all the history of the settlement there 672 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,900 in Hebron that law was enforced really in time. 673 00:59:57,930 --> 01:00:01,890 On the one hand, you have massive investments to set up communities there. 674 01:00:01,890 --> 01:00:06,930 mean, what look like permanent towns and villages of Jews living in the occupied 675 01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:11,410 territories, but the West Bank has not been annexed. Military law continues to 676 01:00:11,410 --> 01:00:17,970 apply. So it's quite ambivalent in that sense. What is the future of those 677 01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:22,530 territories? I mean, in some cases, Israel maybe is operating contrary to 678 01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:23,530 long -term interests. 679 01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:27,520 that areas that now the government is talking about pulling out of. I mean, we 680 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,800 have invested a lot of money there. It will now take a lot of money to uproot 681 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,800 those people. 682 01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:11,380 We are 683 01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:26,140 faithful 684 01:01:26,140 --> 01:01:28,120 to God's word. 685 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,640 to the Bible and to the truth, not to this politician or to others. 686 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,480 You know, in the Israeli history, in the Jewish history, in the Bible, there 687 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,480 were many kings. 688 01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:40,500 Many of them were evildoers. 689 01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:41,900 Many of them were sinners. 690 01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:47,020 And the Bible doesn't say a good word about them. And the prophet said, you 691 01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:48,020 know, a liar. 692 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,200 He said to the king, Ahab, you are a murderer. 693 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:57,320 So to be a good Jew is to be faithful to justice and to truth. 694 01:01:58,050 --> 01:01:59,870 not to a political regime. 695 01:02:00,430 --> 01:02:03,450 It can be a king, it can be a prime minister, never mind. 696 01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:08,430 And this is what I would like to see, all the moral people in the world that 697 01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:14,630 don't obey to a criminal and corrupted regime. 698 01:02:38,839 --> 01:02:45,760 I'm not talking to you. Are you pulling the people 699 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:46,678 out? 700 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:47,680 I'm talking to people. 701 01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:50,420 Listen, I'll talk to you next week. I'll have coffee in Jerusalem. 702 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,400 You're crazy! 703 01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:09,090 My fear today, my problem that I have today isn't with Hebron. My problem 704 01:03:09,090 --> 01:03:12,270 is with the continued existence of the Jewish people here in the state of 705 01:03:12,270 --> 01:03:15,970 Israel. Because we're committing suicide. We're virtually committing 706 01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:17,850 And this is what we have to stop. 707 01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:23,310 Could it happen? Could an Israeli government decide to pick us up and 708 01:03:23,310 --> 01:03:24,870 out of our homes in Hebron? Yeah, it could. 709 01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:28,440 And it could happen anywhere today. 710 01:03:28,820 --> 01:03:33,400 However, if that happens, I think that we're dealing with a potential threat to 711 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,400 the state of Israel. 712 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,820 And it has to be stopped. 713 01:03:53,740 --> 01:03:58,120 Without returning the whole West Bank, there will not be a just peace. 714 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,260 There will not be a lasting peace. There will not be peace. 715 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:09,140 And, you know, time is running out, and with 250 ,000 settlers in the West Bank, 716 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:15,700 it's becoming almost too late, maybe too late already, because it will not be 717 01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:19,700 very easy to evacuate them. But without this... 718 01:04:20,990 --> 01:04:24,390 nothing will move, and we will go just from one wall to the other. 719 01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:30,970 From 720 01:04:30,970 --> 01:04:41,750 the 721 01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:44,610 international law perspective, all settlements are illegal. 722 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:50,040 The Israeli citizens should not be living in Hebron. It is occupied 723 01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:54,820 You cannot have the occupier's people living in that territory. 724 01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,240 But when you compound that with the reality of Hebron, I mean, you have a 725 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,780 hundred settlers, tens of thousands of Palestinians, and the Palestinians are 726 01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:08,960 paying a very severe price in restrictions on movement, in being 727 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,640 violence, in all of this harassment and suffering. 728 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,880 as a result of a very small settler population. 729 01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:20,340 So if we are calling for all the settlements to be dismantled, it's clear 730 01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:22,940 Hebron has to be first as far as we are concerned. 731 01:05:51,470 --> 01:05:53,770 It's their policy. They want to push us to leave. 732 01:05:54,270 --> 01:05:55,430 They attack us. 733 01:05:56,090 --> 01:05:58,670 They want to make us suffering in our life. 734 01:05:59,390 --> 01:06:02,610 Also, destroy our economic situation. 735 01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:09,450 When I have a tree, when I have a life, I will protect it. I'll try to live in 736 01:06:09,450 --> 01:06:14,190 it. But when I lose everything, they think that I will leave. 737 01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:21,930 But one day I told them that if I see my kids, my family dead 738 01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:25,450 body, I will never leave this house. 739 01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:30,210 Because my father, he was dead body and not leave this house. 740 01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:31,910 And I am the same. 741 01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:43,870 Look, 742 01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:46,530 look, man. 743 01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:51,669 You are welcome. 744 01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:57,250 Come to my house. This is our land here. 745 01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:58,650 This is my land. 746 01:06:59,210 --> 01:07:00,750 No, this is my land here. 747 01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:26,850 There's no real debate about this in Israel. 748 01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:33,370 The ordinary Israeli has no idea what's happening there. He does not know. He 749 01:07:33,370 --> 01:07:34,490 does not want to know. 750 01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:40,310 We see here something which we have known in the darkest day of our history, 751 01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:47,510 namely that after it was finished, everybody said, I didn't 752 01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:48,510 know. 753 01:07:48,569 --> 01:07:52,030 No one told me. I did not know. I did not know. I did not know. Of course they 754 01:07:52,030 --> 01:07:54,050 did not know because they did not want to know. 755 01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:56,390 My 756 01:07:56,390 --> 01:08:14,130 main 757 01:08:14,130 --> 01:08:16,450 complaint 758 01:08:17,370 --> 01:08:24,210 My main scream, my main anger is toward the government who enables all this. 759 01:08:24,729 --> 01:08:31,290 Because you see crazy extremists, fundamentalists, you have in every 760 01:08:31,729 --> 01:08:37,790 The problem is how much power do they have and how much freedom do they have 761 01:08:37,790 --> 01:08:42,630 implement their crazy ideas, their violent ideas, their vicious ideas. 762 01:09:04,569 --> 01:09:10,770 During all the human being history, a lot of disasters human beings did. 763 01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:13,069 Much worse things than the occupation. 764 01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:14,710 Even in Hebron. 765 01:09:15,790 --> 01:09:17,890 But still very few people did it. 766 01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:22,990 A bit more people benefited from it. 767 01:09:23,950 --> 01:09:28,569 But a majority of human beings in the world were silent with it. 768 01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:29,770 And this is the problem. 769 01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:35,910 People must understand that in this situation you have only two camps. 770 01:09:36,850 --> 01:09:39,010 Either you're for it or against it. 771 01:09:39,270 --> 01:09:41,149 Being silent is being for it. 772 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,920 Not everyone has to, you know, to live a life of resistance. 773 01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:50,500 But everyone is obligated to stop being silent. 67414

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