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it's a remarkable piece of footage if

it's a hoax it's very well done if it's

um if it's not then I would say it's

probably revolutionary

it's a fake

you need to ask questions that are out

of bounds I won't hesitate to terminate

this interview

this is powerful because this is not a

staged event this is real

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oh

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interesting UFOs and Area 51 is that an

all-time high last year highly rated TV

special and best-selling home video

purported to show an actual autopsy of

an alien being from the famous Roswell

New Mexico crash of 1947.

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many people and even some experts

believe that autopsy footage was genuine

if that was indeed the body of an alien

being from another world could the

footage in this program be the world's

first hard Visual Evidence of an actual

living and breathing alien being

an alien being communicating in an

interview with a highly covert arm of

the U.S government

if the footage we're about to show you

is genuine then this could very well be

the most important video in the history

of mankind

proving once and for all

that we are not alone

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within Nevada's Nellis Air Force range

protected by the tightest Security in

the world is the Groom Lake test site

AKA Dreamland AKA Area 51 an

installation so secret the government

cryptically acknowledges its existence

only as an operating location until

recently the military flat out denied

the presence of such a base

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it has served as the testing ground for

many secret research and development

projects such as the U2 and SR-71

blackbirds biplanes the f-117a stealth

fighter and now the sr-75 penetrator the

super secret replacement for the SR-71

every morning a select group of

Specialists with high security

clearances some reportedly as high as 38

levels Above Top Secret arrive at

McCarran airport in Las Vegas to be

flown to Area 51 aboard a Boeing 737

from the time they leave the ground

until they return to Las Vegas at the

end of each working day they enter a

world no Outsider can ever truly know

except through rumor and the occasional

shocking revelation

in 1989 a physicist named Robert Lazar

went public with the stunning claim that

the United States government was

testifying dish-shaped aircraft of

extraterrestrial origin at area 51.

interviewed in silhouette by a Las Vegas

TV reporter Lazar calling himself Dennis

claimed to be employed at a site on the

outskirts of Area 51 known as S4

well he was part of a team attempting to

back engineer the saucers to discover

the secret of their Advanced propulsion

system

a very Sleek thin looking

oh what's up there

absolutely alien crafts there's no

question about it

well first of all

information stating that they were alien

craft

along with Robert Lazar rocket scientist

David Adair is one of the few

individuals who will go on record

concerning his personal experiences with

alien technology at area 51. it was not

of our origin they shouldn't let me see

that and then in the results of it they

um locked me in a room and the reason

they locked me up in a room was because

I wouldn't tell them anymore about how

the engine would function and they

started getting a little bit more

perturbed about that a former consultant

to NASA and top aerospace companies

Adair claims that in 1971 he was brought

in to study the engine of a downed

Flying Saucer what I was looking at was

a

technological Marvel of its time and it

was a magnificent thing to see the

setting there and

the whole situation just trying to

really get me more

angry than anything because

the fact that they could set on such a

hunk of technology and not tell us about

it here we are using liquid fuel engines

and Rockets at Nasa and here they've got

an engine that's probably uh in theory

that we know of could be uh a speed of

light and engine capable speed of light

or even faster

ufologist and lecturer Sean David Morton

has appeared on sightings strange

universe and hard copy he offers his own

perspective on lazar's stunning claim

and the super secret area 51.

Area 51 is approximately 135 miles north

this is like a number of flying saucers

it is out of Area 51 that the tape we

are about to show you was supposedly

smuggled

Monday July 26 1996 the offices of

Rocket pictures of producer distributor

of Motion Pictures and television

programs received a phone call a male

voice identifying himself only as Victor

claimed to be in possession of a

videotaped interview with an

extraterrestrial being Tom Coleman

president of Rocket pictures was

intrigued enough to take the call

I of course thought this was some hoax

in fact I thought it might have been my

brother at one point but as as we spoke

this was someone who seemed to be very

serious we

went back and forth on this and I

basically decided that you know this is

a little bit too weird for me thank you

and goodbye

um

as I hung up

uh I had a very strange feeling

that maybe just maybe there was

something here

he said he had a tape of a space alien

an E.T

that was being held in a

military installation in Nevada

I'm not sure as a prisoner or guest

um

and he had this on tape

as we've already heard from Sean Morton

and others this is not the first time

allegations have surfaced that the US

government is playing host to

extraterrestrial biological entities or

ebes the first and most famous alleged

contact was the Roswell Flying Saucer

crash of 1947. this is the incident from

which the alien autopsy footage

supposedly originated but there have

been persistent rumors that not all of

the aliens retrieved from the Roswell

crash were dead the final fate of the

survivors if any is unknown

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two years later however in 1949 another

alien is reported to have survived a

saucer crash and this being known as

ebe1 was taken into custody and kept at

a safe house

ebe-1 supposedly suffered from chronic

health problems which the doctors of the

time were helpless to treat

according to a controversial possibly

fraudulent briefing document dating from

the Jimmy Carter Administration

ebe1 was interviewed by means of

pictographs from which it was learned

that he came from The Zeta reticula star

system

can we eliminate one or more of these

categories from discussion

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the laborious process of developing a

set of symbols that could be used and

understood by both human and alien

amounted to the creation of a new

language

if such an effort was made it represents

the greatest achievement in linguistics

since the deciphering of the Rosetta

Stone foreign

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that such an achievement would be kept

secret illustrates the hysterical

paranoia of the time as the Cold War

intensified under the threat of nuclear

Annihilation

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the so-called Carter Aquarius briefing

document states that ebe-1 died of

unknown causes on June 18 1952.

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Skeptics who doubt the authenticity of

the Carter Aquarius document find it

unbelievable that highly Advanced alien

beings would allow one of their own to

die under the Primitive medical care of

a species that had barely begun to

conquer its own diseases

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but as we will hear there are those who

claim that to the aliens death is not a

final end to be feared but a mere

transition

it was in the late 40s and early 50s

that the U.S government's policy toward

UFOs was formulated

publicly there was Project Blue Book

which made a great show of gathering

data on all the major UFO sightings

finally declaring them all to be hoaxes

Mass hysteria or swamp gas

but secretly there may have been another

policy at work

over the years several documents have

come to light which seemingly confirmed

that a clandestine group operation

Majestic 12 group AKA mj-12

was formed by special classified

presidential order on September 24 1947.

for the express purpose of gathering

information on UFOs and

extraterrestrials while at the same time

keeping such information not only from

unfriendly Powers but from the American

public as well

if indeed Area 51 has become the

nation's repository for alien technology

and possibly alien visitors

then the extra constitutional

justifications for such secrecy were

developed in the mj-12 groups planning

sessions

James V Forrestal Secretary of Defense

under President Harry Truman is widely

accused of being The Mastermind behind

the creation of mj-12

once created Majestic may have expanded

its mandate beyond what Forrestal had

intended

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whatever Secrets Forrestal may have

known concerning flying sauces and alien

visitors

that knowledge died with him when in

1949 he mysteriously plunged to his

death from a window at Bethesda naval

hospital

though he was being treated for

depression

many UFO researchers doubt that his

death was a suicide

and point to the Sinister workings of

the possibly mythical mj-12

which in their hypothesis may have been

protecting its secrecy from a man who

had come to believe the people had a

right to know

as late as 1989 according to Bob Lazar

the identification badges at Area 51

read Madge for Majestic

in December 1994 a document purporting

to be the Majestic 12 group special

operations manual was leaked to a noted

UFO researcher

it contains the following directive

Under The Heading isolation and custody

ebes will be detained by whatever means

are necessary

and removed to a secure location as soon

as possible

there follows this disturbing

amplification

although it is preferable to maintain

the physical well-being of any entity

the loss of Ebe life is considered

acceptable if conditions or delays to

preserve that life in any way compromise

the security of the operations

from the beginning of the UFO age it

seems secrecy was always the

government's prime directive

in 1988 another anonymous government

Source codenamed Falcon claimed that a

second extraterrestrial biological

entity ebe2 voluntarily became a guest

of our government allowing himself to be

examined and interviewed

in this scenario Area 51 became for a

time at least a sort of extraterrestrial

Embassy the setting for Mankind's first

attempt at diplomacy with beings from

another world

different sources disagree as to how

communication was established

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there is universal agreement that the

ebes are incapable or unwilling to speak

human language in addition to the

pictographs used by ebe1 it has been

reported by Falcon that in the early

1950s ebe2 was fitted with some sort of

artificial voice box allowing him to

speak words and that he learned the

English language very rapidly

other sources doubt this story however

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do you mean we Americans

what has been reported most persistently

is that the aliens communicate via

thought projection or telepathy it would

have been tortured made to give up their

secrets instead of question in this

friendly manner

we cannot be forced to communicate has

it been tried not by us we speak to

who's ever willing to listen

the idea of telepathic communication

with alien beings carries with it the

same doubts and controversy attached to

telepathy itself do the practitioners of

this ancient art really have the ability

to read minds or are they crafty

charlatans who simply tell the listener

what he or she wants to hear

if the cynics are right then the

self-proclaimed telepaths recruited by

the government in the 1950s were playing

an astoundingly daring hoax by claiming

to speak for the mute visitors from the

Stars

Defenders of telepathy call this notion

Preposterous and point to the long

history of government-funded research

into mind reading as proof that their

science has Merit

in the last four decades there have been

persistent often contradictory rumors

and even eyewitness accounts of other

alien visitors meeting secretly with

military or government officials but

what about today

the tester Corporation has recently come

out with a model kit of gray the

extraterrestrial life form

and a scale model of the so-called sport

model the UFO Bob Lazar says he studied

at area 51.

this UFO kit has quickly become one of

the most successful model kits in the

history of the company

if the military is in fact conducting

tests of extraterrestrial spacecraft at

Area 51 then where are the alien

creators of these crafts

in his first TV appearance under the

pseudonym Dennis

Bob Lazar was asked if there are living

aliens at Area 51.

clearly nervous he evaded the question

by saying quote I really want to steer

away from that right now unquote

in subsequent interviews however

he admitted catching a glimpse of two

scientists talking to a strange short

figure with long arms

he also reported seeing several

documents that seemed to contain

first-hand information on alien

civilizations

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Lazar is skeptical of a claim made by

Falcon that a group of ebes have been

given complete control of a separate

base within Dreamland but he does admit

having read a report of a tragic

misunderstanding between military

personnel and alien beings in the late

70s

Lazar states that it had to do with

bullets the MPS were carrying

that the bullets might explode possibly

due to a field the aliens had generated

in that area

this encounter supposedly resulted in

the deaths of all the humans involved by

head wounds

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but if there was ever a large-scale

alien Presence at Area 51 Lazar saw no

evidence of it doing his work at S4 in

the late 80s

is it possible that the deadly

misunderstanding of 10 years earlier

brought human alien cooperation to an

end

in his September 21st 1987 speech to the

UN General Assembly President Reagan

himself did little to dispel the notion

that this deadly misunderstanding

brought human alien cooperation to an

end

in our obsession with antagonisms at the

moment

we often forget how much unites all the

members of humanity

perhaps we need some outside Universal

threat

to make us recognize this common bound

I occasionally think how quickly our

difference is worldwide would vanish if

we were facing an alien threat from

outside this world

are the inconsistencies between various

Tales coming out of Area 51 evidence

that these stories are lies

or the discrepancies the result of an

intentional campaign of disinformation

designed to discredit any elements of

truth that may be reaching the public

if so how does Victor fit into the

jigsaw puzzle of questionable witnesses

to the alien Presence at area 51. is he

a hoaxster a government dupe or a

frightened whistleblower with the hard

evidence to back up his story

very clear to Victor that his

credibility was the entire issue here

and that everybody's going to think this

is a hoax and that how are they going to

possibly verify this

what he said was you can do anything you

want in terms of verified any type of

due diligence he will answer whatever

questions put forward we can do whatever

type of checking we could bring in

experts we can have the tape tested we

could

in fact he encouraged

all of these

aspects he just did not want his face

and his real name revealed

at Coleman's insistence Victor agreed

reluctantly to appear on camera but only

in Disguise in Shadow and with his voice

electronically altered

the questions were agreed upon in

advance but during the actual interview

the discussion occasionally deviated

from Victor's approved questions

what is your occupation at Area 51 I

won't answer that I've had reason to be

present at Area 51 but I'm not going to

clarify whether or not I was there as an

employee are you saying you were there

as a visitor

I'm not going to specify why or in what

capacity I was there only that I was

there

can you tell us how many times you were

there

when I agreed to this my fundamental

ground rule was that I would not be

asked to divulge personal data that

might help pinpoint my identity if you

continue to ask questions that are out

of bounds I won't hesitate to terminate

this interview are you saying that the

number of times you were present at Area

51 is enough to pinpoint your identity

any specifics will narrow the field of

suspects of course I could lie let's say

I've been there 47 times or anyway more

than once let's turn to the tape itself

the copy you've supplied is not the

original tape no

was the original at Area 51 when you

copied it that's out of balance is it

fair to assume that the copying of tapes

at Area 51 is heavily restricted you can

assume anything you like I would say

that's a fair assumption that's obvious

I will say that this tape was copied

under special circumstances otherwise

copying it would have been impossible

can you be more specific

more specific

okay I'm sure they figured this much out

already

recently there was a wholesale transfer

of video documentation from analog tape

to digital disk storage in a couple of

instances this allowed data to leak from

a highest security system to a less high

security system

even so this particular tape was the

only

I think that's about all I'll say about

that was there something about this

particular clip that made it more

accessible to be copied not necessarily

no was there something about the content

that caused them to file it differently

or give it special handling

this interview was terminated the

interview resumed only after a

discussion of the ground rules

have you personally seen the alien being

that appears in the tape yes I have but

I stress I was not necessarily present

at the interview session that appears on

the tape I'm not going to be specific I

may have encountered the being at

another time what can you tell us about

the alien interview we're about to see

this one is rather reason very late in

the series

the interview process has been ongoing

since the being arrived which was in

1989. approximately twice a month they

sit it down for a session that generally

lasts from three to five hours

if they try to go longer than that or if

they schedule the sessions more

frequently to being becomes unresponsive

there's a fair amount of infighting

among the scientists from different

disciplines to get their questions asked

what is the alien revealed

various minor technical details of the

saucers the physicists and Engineers are

frankly frustrated they feel the meaning

is withholding information

possibly concepts are getting lost

because all the information has to come

through a telepath but also it may be

that the bulk of their scientific

acknowledges just too advanced to be

translated into our primitive conceptual

framework

it's analogous to if a human scientist

were to try to translate quantum

mechanics into the grunts and screeches

of a chimpanzee it's not a very

flattering comparison

frankly there's a high attrition rate

for scientists in the program you'd

think they'd be energized by the

challenge

but a lot of them take the ego deflation

very hard when they find out not only

how much they don't know but how much

they aren't even capable of

understanding what else has the alien

communicated

oddly enough the being seems to have a

much easier time communicating spiritual

Concepts

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the human body

is a vehicle um

a vessel

The Vessel must be maintained

to serve this

spirit

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with maximum efficiency

but a broken

vessel can be replaced

human Spirit or the soul

can have many vessels

is the process natural or technological

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both are

both are one

technology is a

natural expressions

of humanity

technology is a

process

The Vessel uses to perfect itself

so this transference of the soul from

vessel to vessel did your kind create

the mechanics of it or is it a a natural

did it predate the intellectual creation

for understanding

must-come acceptance

and it's not technological

well I think what he's trying to say is

that the question is meaningless the

soul can travel from vessel to vessel

reincarnation Transfiguration whatever

it's real

what I'm getting at is because you know

how it's done

Victor uses the term vessels to refer to

the aliens conception of the body as a

disposable vehicle for the soul

the UFO cult known as Heaven's Gate used

the term containers in a similar context

the mass suicide of the heavensgate

cultists illustrates the Dark Side of

accepting such ideas at face value

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doe the heavens Gate cult leader

preached that humans can pass from

container to container the mysterious

Victor on the other hand Harbors no such

belief in his interview recorded months

before the Rancho Santa Fe tragedy

Victor made his attachment to his own

Earthly vessel abundantly clear let me

just State here publicly to head off any

clever ideas anyone might be having

I have never been am not now and never

will be suicidal

but how would the public know if

something happened to you since we don't

know who you are

I'm taking care of that trust me

if something happens to me if I die

people will know who I am

do you think it's a reassuring sign that

these aliens can communicate with us on

a spiritual plane it would be nice to

think so but I'm not sure if it's really

such an achievement considering a

mismatch between our intellects I mean

you're not going to have much luck

making your dog understand calculus but

if you pet him on the head and say good

dog aren't you communicating spiritually

and doesn't the Animal control officer

saying good dog when he comes to put

some horse straight asleep doesn't the

vet try to reassure the animal just

before he spays it

when you're dealing with beings whose

intellect is so far beyond your own I

don't think it's safe to assume they

have your best interests at heart

what about the content of the tape

segment you brought

as I said this is late in the series in

fact it's quite close to the end

because of his unwillingness to reveal

his own identity Victor's story stands

or falls on The credibility of the tape

he supplied here exclusively for the

first time anywhere is the uncut

uninterrupted alien interview tape shown

in its entirety in real time

foreign

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foreign

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foreign

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foreign

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you removed the soundtrack from the tape

before you turned it over to this

program that's correct I can't allow the

voices of the project Personnel to be

heard by the General Public

there's a very good chance their family

or friends on the outside might

recognize them is it your purpose in

releasing this tape to expose Area 51 to

the world my purpose is to expose the

existence of the aliens not compromise

these individuals I made the decision to

come forward I'm taking precautions to

protect my own identity and I don't

think it's fair for me to put these

others in danger of exposure in any case

the interview on the tape went nowhere

it was interrupted as you'll see

can you describe for us what we're

seeing

all right we're looking at the interview

suite at S4

uh it's kept dark for the comfort of the

aliens

the figure who is just barely visible in

the left foreground is the telepath and

behind the camera is a right seating

area for observers although in this case

I believe the only other person

our present was a military aid

the alien is seated behind a glass

partition in a biocontainment area which

is maintained that biosafety level 2 the

lowest designation

that's primarily for the protection of

the aliens not us the theory is that if

they were going to infect us with an

alien bug it would have happened 50

years ago

on exact uh all the indications are the

aliens eliminated microbial and viral

life from their own ecosystem long ago

they aren't susceptible to our diseases

directly but it has been shown that

microbes can reproduce and form colonies

within their respiratory systems which

tends to exacerbate the abilities they

seem to suffer anyway in our environment

in fact you can see here

the alien is beginning to flag

the interview was not going well

the telepath was trying to clarify some

points from a previous interview but he

wasn't receiving coherent responses

as you can see the being is in real

distress

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at this point the telepath is uh

sending out a message to the medical

staff

is trying to communicate with the alien

but he's getting no response

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very little he can do there's no direct

connection between

his space and the biocontaminary that's

the aid stepping in on the right

uh the medical staff should be there by

now they're they're slow in responding

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there they are I have to say the medical

personnel with S4 are less than first

raid they tend to be selected for their

willingness to keep secrets rather than

their medical competence

by the way he's not shining that light

into the eyes it looks that way but in

fact he's checking for hemorrhaging

around the eye sockets and uh in the

nasal cavity

I'm sorry

it's very hard for me to watch this

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foreign

foreign

you're asking me if I think this is real

that I've have I finally seen a space

alien

um

you know I don't know but I do know this

I know that this is not a tricked up uh

version like the alien autopsy

it doesn't attempt to distract you away

from the alien doesn't have that Cinema

verite black and white

it doesn't go to Great Lengths to try to

fool the audience straight ahead

it's an alien on tape pretty much the

way you'd probably film it

the point is this what if it is real

in evaluating the authenticity of the

alien interview tape the logical place

to begin is with the videotape itself

what can the technical details of this

recording tell us about its origin

rocket pictures sent Victor's original

tape to the Phoenix laboratory of

renowned image analyst Jim delatoso

using the most up-to-date digital

technology de la toso tried to determine

the tape's authenticity I've been

exploring looking at different aspects

of the image itself

to develop questions

for a matrix on is it real or is it fake

I grabbed a frame in the computer

and we're outputting it now in digital

format and you can see that we have an

absolutely solid picture

done is

taken the picture

and moved it over so that we can look at

the information that's in between the

frames now

when we look at the motion video we can

see that it still is not bad

and when we have this little indicator

down here it tells me that

the original image was transferred

using some kind of time-based corrector

these are video screens up here

television video monitors and they're

all set an angle if this was shot using

a video camera with lines on it we would

see more a patterns up there and we

don't see the more a patterns so there's

a probability that this was shot

originally on film possibly a film stock

like 72 52 or 7247 depending on the

lighting the idea that these images may

have originated on film is in direct

contradiction to Victor's statement that

the interview was shot on video

closer inspection de la toso decided the

images could indeed have been recorded

by a video camera under certain specific

conditions

in this case I get the the sense of it

that this was originally created using

um

either film

transferred telecenti to Beta but then

this is the third generation or it was

taped under very low light conditions

with the video gain boosted probably 12

DB even the emotionless analysis of a

computer cannot provide a definitive

answer de latoso's efforts yield

tantalizing hints but in the end they

only increase the mystery

one of the key things about this

creature

are its eyes

like the other experts video analyst Jim

delatoso was emotionally affected by

what he saw he took the tape very

seriously and offered this personal

opinion if someone faked this

I don't like these people I think it's a

bad thing for people to do because

extraterrestrials come here it's an

incredibly important thing to understand

who they are and why are they coming

here

if this is not faked

I think we've got a glimpse here in the

sense of of communication with someone

who came from a long distance away

when asked his opinion of the alien

interview Adair was careful to answer

only in terms of his own experiences

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he referring to the film where

his aliens being interrogated Area 51

I don't know I've never seen a UFO in my

life I've never seen aliens pickled in a

jar or anything like that but I know I

saw an engine that wasn't from our

terrestrial technology if you look at an

engine like that it came out of a craft

if it come out of a craft then that

craft has occupants so

it's very logical to assume then that

those occupants could still be here and

they could be interrogating them or they

could have downed another craft since

1971.

makeup artist John Criswell has provided

special effects creatures for many

Hollywood Motion Pictures and television

shows such as spaced Invaders and

Babylon 5 hired by rocket pictures to

create the aliens for the recreation

segments of this program Criswell was

very interested to finally see the real

thing

by Hollywood standards I would say this

is It's a pretty decent puppet

well to be honest with you I would love

to buy this being real but it's probably

a hoax well I think this is a really

cool design and it's a great concept

but I think I could have done better

whoever did this I mean they could have

a job in Hollywood in a minute um

no problem this one has a much creepier

quality than the than the alien autopsy

tape I think

um

that one that one I definitely didn't

buy just because of the

of the weight laid on the table there's

a couple of things this actually whoever

did this was or if someone did this they

were very clever because it you know it

it hides a lot of stuff so that's what

makes me kind of disbelieve it a little

bit but you know who knows

Criswell thought the alien exhibited

movements that would be difficult to

fake

there are there are moments when

this looks very real and and I don't

know how they did certain little things

about this

um so right right when I would say that

it's definitely a puppet he

he moves a certain way or he'll or he'll

lift up in the frame and all that and

all these little things are important to

the you know

to the character

Academy Award winner Rick Baker is one

of Hollywood's reigning masters of

makeup effects he transformed Eddie

Murphy into a 300 pound man for the

Nutty Professor and has created monsters

for countless films including An

American Werewolf in London and the UFO

related Men In Black Baker dismissed the

tape as a fake

yeah this this doesn't fool me I don't

buy this I think this is a puppet and

we've got a table in the foregrounds

hiding the rest of his body got some

kind of whatever that instrument is in

the foreground I mean it's also lit very

mysteriously I think you're going to

record this alien you would want to see

it and you wouldn't want to hide it

behind a table and you would lie to me

in a way that it was show up much more

than this

this particular book of this

head-jerking movement here especially

looks very publicly looks a little

overdone and very much like a guy with

his hand inside his thing

was supposed to be deal here it's like

what's going on I uh

it it just looks like they went to a

great deal of effort to hide

as much of the anatomy other than the

head on this on this puppet and I just I

just don't buy it I would be willing to

stake my reputation on the fact that I

think this is a

folks it's very interesting to see them

in baker's opinion there was no

controversy at all

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it's a fake Humanity

we could build better we have built

better

UFO expert Robert Dean on the other hand

had no doubt whatsoever that the tape

was authentic this is powerful because

this is not a staged event this is real

in the 1960s Robert o Dean served as an

Army intelligence Analyst at NATO

headquarters in Europe where he claims

to have seen first-hand evidence of

alien beings and their artifacts retired

from the Army he is now a highly

regarded UFO researcher and analyst

Dean was asked to view the tape and

offer his expert opinion

treating him like a piece of livestock

wiping his lips calling on his own

first-hand experience for comparison

Robert Dean was stunned and moved by

what he saw that breaks my heart

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you've got yourself

a piece of legitimate footage here and I

think you've got your hands on some

pretty sensitive material

I don't know how the hell you got this

I don't know who you got it from and

frankly I don't want to know who you got

it from

but you've got yourself a tiger by the

tail with this footage

I would say and I know that that's one

of the things you ask of me is that

you've got yourself some legitimate

footage of one of the little guys being

interrogated filmed

and there's a reality to it and there's

a sensitivity to it that literally

breaks my heart but I tell you very much

very strongly you've got something here

that's

he's very sensitive

well I know at the level of

classification on this kind of a thing

is so far damned Above Top Secret that

you won't even

you can't imagine

how sensitive this kind of thing is

and how delicate it is and how tightly

the government sits on anything like

this Sean Morton looked for Clues to the

tape's authenticity in the technical

details of the interview setting okay

there's a couple of interesting things

about the tape right off the bat Morton

tried to decipher the time code at the

bottom of the screen

first off what you're looking at in the

time code is dni's Department of Naval

intelligence so Department of Naval

intelligence this would this would

probably be a file number 27 it could be

a security level however

because security levels are supposedly

go up to Q

36 or the highest ones we know about the

first interesting thing about that is

that I'm noticing uh what looks like a

medical Monitor and look at how slowly

and erratic the heartbeat is the

heartbeat is literally one two

it's very very erratic and it looks as

though the the heartbeat being as radic

as it is is only about

from counting that it looks like it's

about 30 a minute or so

Martin suggested an alternate

explanation for the video's dim lighting

one of the unusual things about the

about most of these particular race of

aliens is they are very very sensitive

to light so a lot of these interviews

are conducted in um uh uh in very

darkened rooms

to Morton's eye many features of this

alien dovetailed with accounts of other

first-hand contactees another strange

thing about the physiognomy of these

creatures is as well is if you will

notice that that the neck itself is not

at the back of the head like a human

being is the neck is actually in the

center of the head which is what

actually gives gives it problems uh

holding its head and it's in its neck up

um

whatever this is it's being taken the

interview is actually being done through

a piece of glass

uh uh which is probably something

somebody fake faking the photo

photographs probably wouldn't think

about right there we see that the the

creature appears to be choking

the the dark eyes in many cases are

actually a form of lens

that guards the creature against un

towards sunlight it's a

it's a remarkable piece of footage I

mean it's very very very interesting if

it's a if it's a hoax it's

um it's it's very well done if it's um

if it's not then I would say it's

probably revolutionary

another expert who was asked to examine

the tape was Michael hesseman one of

Europe's leading UFO researchers and

author of The International bestseller

Beyond Roswell

when I got the first information about

the alien interview footage and when I

saw the first picture I said there might

be a connection to a real incident

hesserman was intrigued both by the

aliens appearance and by Victor's claim

that the being arrived at Area 51 in

1989. it is authentic it might be the

most significant film ever published

ever sown on television

for several years now hesseman has been

investigating reports that the South

African Air Force shot down a flying

saucer in the Kalahari Desert in 1989.

according to hesseman's sources two

survivors were retrieved from the down

saucer one was sent to write Patterson

Air Force Base in Ohio and the other to

area 51.

the Extraterrestrial in Victor's tape

Bears a striking resemblance to

descriptions of the Kalahari ET and the

timing of its appearance at Area 51 is

consistent with the South African

incident if you see the draw on behalf

of the Kalahari alien and the

descriptions we have it seems to be the

same being in the Kalahari incident puts

the alien interview footage into a

context and gives it at least a

probability that it might be real it

might be the real stuff you just don't

know

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Whitley streber best-selling author of

communion claims to have had numerous

personal contacts with alien beings he

has become the de facto spokesman for

the growing number of people who claim

to have been abducted by

extraterrestrials the nationally

syndicated television program strange

Universe asked Streeper and several

other abductees to view the alien

interview tape what streamers saw left

him profoundly shaken

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Heber would not agree to be interviewed

on camera for this program but on

strange Universe he had this to say

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on May 23 1997 Victor gave a radio

interview on the nationally syndicated

show Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell

speaking by telephone from an unknown

location Victor answered questions from

host Art Bell and his guest UFO expert

Sean Morton from the kingdom of nine

Coast to Coast AM continues with Art

Bell it is going to be a very

interesting morning let's see if we've

got Victor on the line Victor are you

there I'm here welcome to the program

Victor afterwards this is what bell and

Morton had to say about Victor's

credibility what a hell of an interview

huh boy oh boy talk about making history

on the radio it was as far as I could

tell he answered every question properly

as far as exactly where the locations

are to the you know descriptions of the

you know the transports the 737s the uh

to the cts-43s

um the retinal scans the five levels at

S4

a veteran of countless controversial

interviews Art Bell still found himself

impressed by his encounter with Victor

in the first

um I think half hour I sensed that I was

uh getting a kind of a run around or

that I was not satisfied with the

quality of the answers that I was being

given

but as the interview progressed

and Victor to some degree began to relax

I began to get a different sense and

that was that um

he was telling me the truth

I think Victor was scared I think Victor

really is scared

and so I my judgment of the interview

after about the first oh maybe 20

minutes half hour

is that we began to get some real

information it was as significant a

milestone

now there's no question about that

in Broadcasting

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if the government has really been in

contact with Superior aliens

wouldn't we see some evidence of it for

instance amazing new scientific

discoveries

Limitless free energy a cure for cancer

we might if the government's motive or

the betterment of mankind the

government's motive is control

and just as much as they crave control

they fear loss of control

knowledge is power but power does not

necessarily control competence the

people at the top of this program are

intellectually very average

they're not capable of making proper use

of what's been handed to them but they

have no intention of letting anyone else

ever get a chance to solve the puzzle

and let's not forget there's also the

real possibility that the government is

being manipulated by the

extraterrestrials for their own purposes

you could have released this tape to the

news media but you insisted on being

paid for it doesn't that cast doubt on

your own motives yes and I was aware of

that going in but that's a cross I'm

prepared to bear

I find it disgusting that the most

important event in human history is

being kept secret simply because certain

unimaginative officials have the power

to do so

but at the same time I do see the irony

in my own actions all I can say is had I

had the choice I would not have insisted

on profiting for this Revelation but

since by lifting this Veil I've

endangered not only my career but

possibly my life

I felt the need for some small measure

of monetary freedom to deal with any

eventualities

and let me say I could have demanded

significantly more money than I did if I

had been willing to compromise my

anonymity

there have been other whistleblowers who

jumped at the chance to become

celebrities which I think casts even

more doubt on their motives than some

people may be casting on mine do you

believe your life is in danger as a

result of making this tape public

I would hope not

I would like to think my government is a

little more civilized than that

but at the same time I don't intend to

give them the chance to prove me wrong

at any rate to a certain extent I'm

counting on being disbelieved obviously

they would like me to be perceived as a

hopester

if something were to happen to me if I

should die suddenly in a freak accident

it would obviously lend Credence to my

story and I assume they understand that

and will act or not act accordingly why

should anyone believe this tape is

authentic

use your own judgment that's all any of

us can do

there's been so much secrecy and

disinformation over the last 50 years

that it's become impossible to prove

anything in the face of official denial

of course the flip side is nobody really

believes anything the government says

Robert Dean heads a growing movement

lobbying Congress to release former NASA

intelligence and military officials from

their security Oaths so they can talk

openly about U.S involvement with UFOs

and aliens as early as 49 your

government knew we were dealing with

extraterrestrial intelligence

and then it sort of

blew up more and more every year there

were more

or discoveries more conclusions more

contacts

and as you probably know we have indeed

retrieved crashed Hardware

and we have reverse engineered it

and we have indeed been flying some of

that Hardware

in this base not too too many miles

outside of Nellis

near Las Vegas

Dean believes the time has come for the

government to tell the people what it

knows the truth has got to come out

where over 30 years too late the people

not only have a right to know they have

a need to know

and damn it that's I stand in this

belief and I will stay say this and

stand by this till the day I die

Congress has the responsibility

Congress has the obligation

to the people

to the Constitution

and to the nation

did this alien die

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I can't answer that with certainty

I do know the interviews came to an end

whether the being died or was retired

and I don't mean that in the spiral or

sense of having it killed and being

retired from the interview process

I just don't know

I'm totally certain I didn't go home at

least not in the physical sense

but these beings they don't seem to be

very concerned about dying or avoiding

death why do you think that is

maybe they know what comes after death

with more confidence than we do maybe

there's another vessel waiting for them

on the other side

the other side yes which may in fact be

where they come from in the first place

I've heard the claims that they come

from Zeta reticula or the Pleiades but

it hasn't been established that they

come from out there at all your saucers

may not travel through space as we know

it

they may fold in From Another Dimension

another reality you make them sound

almost Supernatural like Angels or

devils

Supernatural is just a term for aspects

of nature we don't understand

for many people they certainly do serve

the functions of both angels and Devils

forces

forces we can't comprehend

have you had enough of me I think I've

earned my money

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thank you

is seeing believing

can the images on this little tape

really be what Victor claims

to even take the question seriously

requires a belief in the possibility of

wonder

a willingness to accept an almost

unimaginable truth

it's far easier and safer to label it a

hoax

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I'm standing on Nevada Highway 375.

America's official extraterrestrial

Highway

redesignated last year by the

legislature an acknowledgment of the

worldwide Fame that has become attached

to this desolate spot

Beyond those mountains is area 51. the

most widely discussed secret place on

Earth

whether as a hoax or a mind expanding

revelation

this alien interview is now a part of

the area 51 Legend

there will come a day when the secrecy

at Area 51 ends when that day comes

then we will know whether this tape was

real

and what the true motive was for its

sudden appearance

until then

we can only speculate

investigate

and Hope

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