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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:18,908 --> 00:01:23,121 {\an2}[Miguel] When I looked around, it was a mess; it was very bloody in there. 2 00:01:24,664 --> 00:01:26,916 {\an2}There were people laying all over the place. 3 00:01:29,544 --> 00:01:34,174 {\an2}The first... group of people that I encountered... 4 00:01:34,591 --> 00:01:35,884 {\an2}look like a family... 5 00:01:36,676 --> 00:01:40,138 {\an2}three people, a family, mom and dad, and an infant. 6 00:01:42,473 --> 00:01:45,685 {\an2}One of the parents was face down the other parent was face up... 7 00:01:45,768 --> 00:01:48,897 {\an2}and the infant was wedged right between them. 8 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:50,315 {\an2}They were obviously dead. 9 00:01:51,065 --> 00:01:52,859 {\an2}Some people online were down. 10 00:01:52,984 --> 00:01:54,527 {\an2}The suspect was down. 11 00:01:56,029 --> 00:02:01,576 {\an2}As I turned to look at the main dining area, there were bodies all over the place. 12 00:02:01,910 --> 00:02:08,458 {\an2}About that time, a lieutenant came in and started having people exit the restaurant... 13 00:02:09,334 --> 00:02:10,627 {\an2}which at that time, I... 14 00:02:11,461 --> 00:02:12,504 {\an2}I... 15 00:02:13,338 --> 00:02:18,259 {\an2}it was great, because I needed to get out of there, and I did. 16 00:02:34,859 --> 00:02:40,448 {\an2}[Albert] Yes, I worked in the back, supplies and storage, and as a cook as well... 17 00:02:40,532 --> 00:02:44,118 {\an2}different roles and responsibilities depending on what time the day it is. 18 00:02:44,202 --> 00:02:47,705 {\an2}I was just learning the job, the first job I ever had, pretty much. 19 00:02:49,582 --> 00:02:50,583 {\an2}Correct. 20 00:02:50,708 --> 00:02:55,004 {\an2}I wasn't gonna go in, my friends were going to the beach that day in the summer time... 21 00:02:55,129 --> 00:02:58,216 {\an2}and they invited me to go with them, and I woke up, I'm like... 22 00:02:58,341 --> 00:03:00,635 {\an2}keep fighting it, should I go, should I not go? 23 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,431 {\an2}Something kept telling me not to go in to work, but I wasn't brought up that way... 24 00:03:05,515 --> 00:03:07,350 {\an2}where you just call in sick and lie. 25 00:03:10,979 --> 00:03:12,021 {\an2}Three months. 26 00:03:15,108 --> 00:03:16,693 {\an2}[Wendy] Yeah, very busy. 27 00:03:17,569 --> 00:03:21,239 {\an2}Lot of children, because there were a lot of children in that community... 28 00:03:21,322 --> 00:03:23,825 {\an2}and they'd all come to play in our playground... 29 00:03:23,908 --> 00:03:27,745 {\an2}not really eat, but they occupied the playground area. 30 00:03:47,932 --> 00:03:50,393 {\an2}[Charlie] This is the apartment complex. 31 00:03:50,768 --> 00:03:52,145 {\an2}It has since been renamed. 32 00:03:52,854 --> 00:03:56,941 {\an2}This is exactly where the shooter lives, he still owns the apartment, No.9. 33 00:03:57,692 --> 00:03:59,152 {\an2}I'm about to show you now... 34 00:03:59,277 --> 00:04:04,324 {\an2}how close he lived to that MacDonald's where he changed many lives. 35 00:04:04,908 --> 00:04:10,038 {\an2}Okay, we're living the apartment complex now of where the shooter lived... 36 00:04:10,121 --> 00:04:13,958 {\an2}and gonna drive to the site of the tragedy. 37 00:04:14,501 --> 00:04:18,379 {\an2}I'm gonna say it's maybe 200 feet, half a block. 38 00:04:18,505 --> 00:04:21,966 {\an2}This is how close the shooter lived to the MacDonald's. 39 00:04:22,383 --> 00:04:25,303 {\an2}As a matter of fact, that the Yum Yum Donuts is still there. 40 00:04:25,428 --> 00:04:27,555 {\an2}And the post office is still here as well. 41 00:04:27,889 --> 00:04:28,973 {\an2}We're already here. 42 00:04:29,098 --> 00:04:35,647 {\an2}This is how long it took to go from his apartment complex to the MacDonald's. 43 00:04:50,078 --> 00:04:52,872 {\an2}I did not see him walk in. 44 00:04:52,956 --> 00:04:59,003 {\an2}The first idea I had of anything going on is he fired the first shot. 45 00:04:59,087 --> 00:05:00,171 {\an2}Bang! 46 00:05:02,173 --> 00:05:08,346 {\an2}Everything happened so fast, so I really don't know exactly what happened... 47 00:05:08,471 --> 00:05:15,395 {\an2}but I know that one girl she got shot and I saw the body fly, and then I knew... 48 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,063 {\an2}everybody start screaming... 49 00:05:18,565 --> 00:05:20,984 {\an2}yeah, running, screaming. 50 00:05:24,821 --> 00:05:26,531 {\an2}The manager, Neva. 51 00:05:36,749 --> 00:05:41,171 {\an2}Yes, I did. I saw him coming in. I saw him tell everybody to get to the floor. 52 00:05:41,337 --> 00:05:44,090 {\an2}Then he started shooting at everyone. 53 00:05:44,174 --> 00:05:48,678 {\an2}People tried to get out, tried to run out of the MacDonald's, he started shooting at them. 54 00:06:32,305 --> 00:06:34,724 {\an2}We were sitting in the back of the restaurant... 55 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:37,894 {\an2}kind of by the play area. 56 00:06:38,186 --> 00:06:39,812 {\an2}[Keith] We got under the table. 57 00:06:40,313 --> 00:06:44,150 {\an2}I got shot, but I didn't realize that I'd been shot both arms. 58 00:06:44,317 --> 00:06:48,988 {\an2}I didn't really feel it, just the heat, that's all I felt, the heat from the bullet. 59 00:06:50,031 --> 00:06:52,450 {\an2}[call]just occurred. [illegible] 60 00:06:52,534 --> 00:06:56,496 {\an2}at 400 west San Ysidro three quarter of a 245 shooting... 61 00:06:56,579 --> 00:07:00,625 {\an2}the victim is a small child, a little girl being take into the first hospital... 62 00:07:00,708 --> 00:07:02,669 {\an2}across the MacDonald's at 4:40. 63 00:07:05,713 --> 00:07:08,258 {\an2}The call came out originally as I can remember... 64 00:07:09,634 --> 00:07:12,679 {\an2}some type of disturbance where a little girl had been shot. 65 00:07:13,721 --> 00:07:17,392 {\an2}I had no clue what I was about to enter into. 66 00:07:18,017 --> 00:07:24,983 {\an2}I could only imagine maybe she got into a little, some type of disturbance and was shot... 67 00:07:25,358 --> 00:07:28,069 {\an2}whether accidentally or on purpose, I had no clue. 68 00:07:34,284 --> 00:07:38,288 {\an2}Uh... what happened was, there were two MacDonald's, one on the west side... 69 00:07:38,371 --> 00:07:39,539 {\an2}one on the east side. 70 00:07:39,789 --> 00:07:45,336 {\an2}Originally when the call came in, I was dispatched to the MacDonald's on the east side. 71 00:07:46,421 --> 00:07:50,884 {\an2}About a block away, I was called again and I was corrected. 72 00:07:54,554 --> 00:07:56,139 {\an2}Probably a couple of minutes. 73 00:07:57,807 --> 00:07:59,976 {\an2}Two, three, four minutes, at most. 74 00:08:04,147 --> 00:08:07,066 {\an2}[Wendy] I heard the French fries machine kept going off... 75 00:08:07,192 --> 00:08:09,611 {\an2}because somebody has put French fries and then... 76 00:08:09,694 --> 00:08:12,530 {\an2}we weren't there to take them when the time went off... 77 00:08:12,614 --> 00:08:17,035 {\an2}so I know that all the alarms started going off right away. 78 00:08:23,124 --> 00:08:27,629 {\an2}I couldn't really make out a lot of things he said, but he had a radio. 79 00:08:27,837 --> 00:08:30,757 {\an2}At first, I thought maybe he was trying to hear himself... 80 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,967 {\an2}like they are reporting on him or whatever. 81 00:08:33,051 --> 00:08:37,555 {\an2}But he was playing music, he wasn't trying to find people talking, he was playing music. 82 00:08:38,264 --> 00:08:41,976 {\an2}I just remember seeing the shooter's legs and boots... 83 00:08:42,477 --> 00:08:43,895 {\an2}when I was under the table. 84 00:08:51,069 --> 00:08:55,990 {\an2}Ronald's blocking my... I was on the inside, he was on the outside of the booth... 85 00:08:57,116 --> 00:09:00,245 {\an2}at one point I got shot... 86 00:09:01,037 --> 00:09:04,123 {\an2}and he kept asking me not to move. 87 00:09:04,624 --> 00:09:07,919 {\an2}[Keith] I didn't really realize what was going on at the time... 88 00:09:08,044 --> 00:09:11,297 {\an2}what I kind of did is the fact that he saved my life... 89 00:09:12,715 --> 00:09:15,176 {\an2}and he took seven shots for me. 90 00:09:15,552 --> 00:09:19,639 {\an2}Had he not done done that, I probably wouldn't be here today. 91 00:09:24,352 --> 00:09:27,856 {\an2}[Joshua] Me and my two friends Omarr and David went to Yum Yum Donuts... 92 00:09:27,939 --> 00:09:29,566 {\an2}to have some donuts in there... 93 00:09:29,649 --> 00:09:31,860 {\an2}and we think we want sundaes or something... 94 00:09:31,985 --> 00:09:35,572 {\an2}so we walked and pushed our bikes cross the parking lot to MacDonald's. 95 00:09:35,655 --> 00:09:37,949 {\an2}Somebody acrossed the street called us. 96 00:09:38,032 --> 00:09:41,661 {\an2}He tried to warn us, I guess, I don't know, we couldn't really hear him... 97 00:09:41,744 --> 00:09:45,623 {\an2}so I turned partially around, and got hit on my right side. 98 00:09:45,707 --> 00:09:49,210 {\an2}My friend, Omarr, turned all the way around, got shot on the back... 99 00:09:49,294 --> 00:09:52,088 {\an2}and David never turned around, he got shot in the chest. 100 00:09:53,339 --> 00:09:58,011 {\an2}So we all went down, and there is blood springing out of my arm I didn't know what happened... 101 00:09:58,094 --> 00:10:02,098 {\an2}the last thing you could think of is you got shot, I dropped on my knees... 102 00:10:02,223 --> 00:10:06,269 {\an2}and he kept shooting at me, he kept shooting the car windows out next to me... 103 00:10:07,437 --> 00:10:10,940 {\an2}I long started to collapse, I couldn't breath, like I was suffocating. 104 00:10:16,946 --> 00:10:18,740 {\an2}[Carlos] This was not television... 105 00:10:18,823 --> 00:10:21,492 {\an2}this was a real thing happening right in front of me. 106 00:10:21,576 --> 00:10:24,704 {\an2}I was capturing it all with my eyes and my emotions... 107 00:10:24,787 --> 00:10:27,290 {\an2}and trying to make sense of what was going on... 108 00:10:27,415 --> 00:10:30,460 {\an2}trying to figure out how in the world was I gonna cover this. 109 00:10:30,543 --> 00:10:34,464 {\an2}Before I could even realize, I heard the whistles of the gunshots pass my head. 110 00:10:34,589 --> 00:10:37,884 {\an2}I hit the ground, I hit the ground so hard I thought I'd been shot. 111 00:10:38,009 --> 00:10:41,095 {\an2}because when I came up, I had blood on my face and on my hands. 112 00:10:41,179 --> 00:10:43,097 {\an2}I actually hit my nose on the pavement. 113 00:12:40,131 --> 00:12:44,677 {\an2}[Miguel] When I arrived, I parked at one of the driveways of the post office... 114 00:12:44,761 --> 00:12:46,721 {\an2}right next to the MacDonald's. 115 00:12:46,971 --> 00:12:52,018 {\an2}The last updated information I received was that the little girl was being carried into... 116 00:12:52,101 --> 00:12:53,102 {\an2}the post office... 117 00:12:53,728 --> 00:12:57,106 {\an2}that's where my focus was. I had no idea about the MacDonald's. 118 00:12:58,650 --> 00:13:02,612 {\an2}I never saw the girl, never met the girl. 119 00:13:02,862 --> 00:13:07,158 {\an2}Walking to the post office, it's when I first noticed something was wrong... 120 00:13:07,283 --> 00:13:11,162 {\an2}people were hiding behind cars, and they were looking towards the MacDonald's. 121 00:13:11,246 --> 00:13:15,792 {\an2}And, I was right in the middle of a lot and I looked over... 122 00:13:16,459 --> 00:13:18,253 {\an2}I locked out, I really locked out... 123 00:13:18,336 --> 00:13:19,879 {\an2}because when I looked over... 124 00:13:20,839 --> 00:13:26,886 {\an2}the suspect was just coming out of the side door by the drive through... 125 00:13:27,595 --> 00:13:29,848 {\an2}and that's the first time I saw him. 126 00:13:30,265 --> 00:13:37,105 {\an2}What got my attention was he had the long barrel Uzi held across his chest like this. 127 00:13:37,272 --> 00:13:39,190 {\an2}He spotted me and shot at me. 128 00:13:39,899 --> 00:13:42,193 {\an2}I would've been justified and shooting back... 129 00:13:42,485 --> 00:13:47,073 {\an2}but I was completely out of gun, I had a 38 Caliber handgun. 130 00:13:47,115 --> 00:13:49,617 {\an2}The best I could do was to take cover. 131 00:13:49,701 --> 00:13:50,869 {\an2}I got behind a truck. 132 00:13:51,244 --> 00:13:52,912 {\an2}He did his best to shoot... 133 00:13:53,872 --> 00:13:56,624 {\an2}through the truck, around the truck, over the truck. 134 00:13:57,083 --> 00:13:59,878 {\an2}[speaking over the phone] 135 00:13:59,919 --> 00:14:02,088 {\an2}[speaking over the phone] 136 00:14:03,089 --> 00:14:05,091 {\an2}Where are you now? 137 00:14:05,508 --> 00:14:08,386 {\an2}I'm east of the MacDonald's. 138 00:14:08,678 --> 00:14:13,850 {\an2}Sent for the east of the MacDonald's at 4:10 p.m. 139 00:14:13,892 --> 00:14:16,352 {\an2}[illegible] 140 00:14:17,812 --> 00:14:20,398 {\an2}Yeah, I was scared, but I wasn't scared panicky. 141 00:14:20,481 --> 00:14:23,443 {\an2}I could feel the urgency, I could feel the danger. 142 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:26,613 {\an2}But my mind was working, because I had a job to do. 143 00:14:27,238 --> 00:14:33,745 {\an2}I think I even thought about feeling a little bit sad. 144 00:14:33,912 --> 00:14:36,998 {\an2}Because my mom was gonna find out that I was killed. 145 00:14:38,124 --> 00:14:43,171 {\an2}As fast as I thought came in, it was gone... 146 00:14:43,254 --> 00:14:45,798 {\an2}and I was thinking what I had to do. 147 00:14:54,265 --> 00:14:56,809 {\an2}No, I wanted to do that, but there was just no way. 148 00:14:57,185 --> 00:15:00,813 {\an2}When you have someone that's armed the way he was, there is just no way. 149 00:15:00,939 --> 00:15:05,026 {\an2}It's not like in the movies where you're fast enough you could jump, but we're not . 150 00:15:05,109 --> 00:15:06,152 {\an2}There's just no way. 151 00:15:06,152 --> 00:15:10,615 {\an2}I would take peeks and I would look up and I would see him go up to people and shoot them. 152 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:14,786 {\an2}and then I would duck down, because, again, not only was he firing at the people... 153 00:15:14,911 --> 00:15:17,413 {\an2}but he kept shooting all inside of the building. 154 00:15:17,539 --> 00:15:19,624 {\an2}Again, it's all made of stainless steel... 155 00:15:19,707 --> 00:15:23,169 {\an2}so when he was firing. I'd look up and see what he was doing. 156 00:15:23,253 --> 00:15:26,923 {\an2}and I'd duck down, because I just didn't want to get hit by a bullet. 157 00:15:27,173 --> 00:15:28,800 {\an2}He'd go and reload, right? 158 00:15:28,925 --> 00:15:30,385 {\an2}He waited a few minutes... 159 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:32,011 {\an2}five minutes, ten minutes... 160 00:15:32,136 --> 00:15:35,265 {\an2}and he'd go back up to people and start shooting them some more. 161 00:15:35,390 --> 00:15:39,185 {\an2}Some people that were laying there, I don't know if they were playing dead... 162 00:15:39,310 --> 00:15:40,770 {\an2}or they were dead already... 163 00:15:40,854 --> 00:15:44,649 {\an2}but he'd go up to people that weren't moving at all and shoot them some more. 164 00:16:25,481 --> 00:16:31,112 {\an2}We need somebody at the Yum Yum Donuts, we have three children that have been shot. 165 00:16:31,237 --> 00:16:36,284 {\an2}But from what I understand is the suspects are inside of the MacDonald's restaurant. 166 00:16:45,376 --> 00:16:49,380 {\an2}I am just trying to stay alive at that point, I'm just thinking about breathing... 167 00:16:49,547 --> 00:16:52,217 {\an2}because it was tough to breath, that's all I remember. 168 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:55,887 {\an2}I needed air, I couldn't get enough. 169 00:16:56,137 --> 00:16:58,014 {\an2}So I had to take short quick breath. 170 00:17:01,017 --> 00:17:04,521 {\an2}But that's all I can think of at the time, I didn't want to die. 171 00:17:05,813 --> 00:17:09,317 {\an2}[Joshua] David, when he got shot, he was pretty much down right away. 172 00:17:12,237 --> 00:17:16,199 {\an2}Omarr was crying for his mom, I remember him screaming for his mom. 173 00:17:27,043 --> 00:17:30,213 {\an2}It's something you don't forget when you see life leave the body. 174 00:17:30,338 --> 00:17:35,134 {\an2}because they go into these convulsions and like hovering the crossy ground, it's crazy. 175 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:40,515 {\an2}Yeah, Omarr was vomiting. David died right away. 176 00:17:40,557 --> 00:17:45,478 {\an2}Omarr took a few minutes, and he did his little death rows and he started vomiting. 177 00:17:46,187 --> 00:17:49,190 {\an2}And then he was still, I knew that was it, I knew it was over. 178 00:18:03,454 --> 00:18:08,209 {\an2}I saw the elderly lady go open the door and he shot her. 179 00:18:08,793 --> 00:18:11,796 {\an2}And then... I don't know where he shot her... 180 00:18:12,046 --> 00:18:14,632 {\an2}I was laying down and looking down the walkway. 181 00:18:15,341 --> 00:18:18,511 {\an2}She went down and her husband came over kneeling over her body... 182 00:18:18,595 --> 00:18:20,763 {\an2}and he looked up at him and he shot him. 183 00:18:23,516 --> 00:18:24,726 {\an2}A mad house. 184 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:26,352 {\an2}Quiet frankly. 185 00:18:26,436 --> 00:18:30,440 {\an2}I don't think anybody had fully realized exactly what they had on their hands. 186 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:32,358 {\an2}They saw dead children. 187 00:18:32,859 --> 00:18:37,197 {\an2}That should've told them right there, they had a real problem. 188 00:18:38,031 --> 00:18:41,367 {\an2}You wanted to tell yourself you weren't seeing what you were seeing. 189 00:18:41,451 --> 00:18:45,580 {\an2}I keep going back to what I initially saw, it was just a dead child 190 00:18:45,663 --> 00:18:47,123 {\an2}laying on his bicycle. 191 00:18:47,999 --> 00:18:49,542 {\an2}I see him till this day. 192 00:18:51,127 --> 00:18:52,337 {\an2}Yeah. 193 00:18:52,962 --> 00:18:56,591 {\an2}It was pretty easy to tell even from a little distance that he was dead. 194 00:18:57,717 --> 00:19:01,513 {\an2}My mission was, in my mind, was to get into a tactical position... 195 00:19:02,138 --> 00:19:07,060 {\an2}to prevent all the suspects from escaping. 196 00:19:07,435 --> 00:19:13,107 {\an2}I ended to in a prone position behind a palm tree, pretty thick palm tree. 197 00:19:13,441 --> 00:19:17,820 {\an2}And at one point he came still inside the restaurant... 198 00:19:18,821 --> 00:19:22,242 {\an2}came by one of the doors, one of the side doors by the drive through. 199 00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:24,744 {\an2}I could see him through the window. 200 00:19:24,911 --> 00:19:27,205 {\an2}I had him in my sights for a couple of seconds. 201 00:19:27,914 --> 00:19:33,211 {\an2}The shot wasn't taken because at that point I didn't know whether there was more than one... 202 00:19:33,711 --> 00:19:36,256 {\an2}whether this was a hostage type of situation. 203 00:19:44,013 --> 00:19:46,808 {\an2}I can understand why he wouldn't want to take the shot. 204 00:19:46,891 --> 00:19:49,227 {\an2}The MacDonald's windows are reasonably thick. 205 00:19:52,355 --> 00:19:57,443 {\an2}Who knows whether it's gonna deflect it and only wound him and make him even madder... 206 00:19:57,902 --> 00:19:59,362 {\an2}or missing completely. 207 00:20:02,407 --> 00:20:03,616 {\an2}I would think so, yeah. 208 00:20:05,827 --> 00:20:07,078 {\an2}He could have tried it. 209 00:20:08,204 --> 00:20:09,789 {\an2}But he might not have worked. 210 00:20:11,082 --> 00:20:13,918 {\an2}[Miguel] I really had to think about what made sense here. 211 00:20:14,043 --> 00:20:16,963 {\an2}It didn't make sense to me that this guy would be alone. 212 00:20:17,213 --> 00:20:21,843 {\an2}I shoot him, and his buddies started to executing people. 213 00:20:27,724 --> 00:20:28,892 {\an2}I thought about that. 214 00:20:29,767 --> 00:20:33,062 {\an2}I remember coming to the conclusion in my mind... 215 00:20:34,898 --> 00:20:39,235 {\an2}without the information that I had at the moment, I made the right call. 216 00:20:40,403 --> 00:20:42,071 {\an2}I'm very comfortable with that. 217 00:20:43,114 --> 00:20:44,157 {\an2}Yeah. 218 00:20:46,284 --> 00:20:48,369 {\an2}No guilt, no. 219 00:20:48,494 --> 00:20:53,791 {\an2}No guilt, because you can't... I mean you could, if you want to beat yourself up over that... 220 00:20:53,875 --> 00:20:54,959 {\an2}you can. 221 00:20:56,503 --> 00:21:02,634 {\an2}I think that's one of the reasons I'd been able to... move on with my life... 222 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,137 {\an2}without being traumatized in my mind... 223 00:21:06,596 --> 00:21:10,808 {\an2}it's because I didn't allow myself to go there... 224 00:21:11,476 --> 00:21:12,936 {\an2}and to second guess myself... 225 00:21:13,978 --> 00:21:16,898 {\an2}and I'm good with that. 226 00:21:27,492 --> 00:21:30,495 {\an2}[people speaking on the phone] 227 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:33,623 {\an2}Are there any victims we can get through at this point? 228 00:21:34,249 --> 00:21:35,583 {\an2}Negative. 229 00:21:36,459 --> 00:21:40,046 {\an2}When I was in there, I was wondering, where are the police... 230 00:21:40,129 --> 00:21:44,551 {\an2}where are the police, it keeps going on and on, I know that's not okay... 231 00:21:44,634 --> 00:21:49,806 {\an2}he's still shooting, it's been ongoing, he's killing more people... 232 00:21:50,056 --> 00:21:53,101 {\an2}and the police aren't coming in shoot him, shoot him. 233 00:21:53,476 --> 00:21:56,187 {\an2}We thought they weren't there. 234 00:21:56,312 --> 00:22:03,278 {\an2}We could hear the sirens coming, but nobody came in, nobody stops him, he kept shooting... 235 00:22:03,361 --> 00:22:09,576 {\an2}and shooting, people screaming, and then it got quiet, he just kept shooting... 236 00:22:09,617 --> 00:22:11,786 {\an2}I was like, what is he shooting at now? 237 00:22:14,581 --> 00:22:18,918 {\an2}I counted about 125 bullets before I lost count. 238 00:22:19,043 --> 00:22:22,547 {\an2}So he fired a lot of rounds inside that place, it was very loud. 239 00:22:22,714 --> 00:22:25,884 {\an2}A lot of the rounds are off the stainless steel. 240 00:22:26,009 --> 00:22:29,929 {\an2}When he was close by reloading I could hear the clicking and the magazines... 241 00:22:30,013 --> 00:22:35,977 {\an2}I had rings in my ears from the bullets, from the muzzle fire. 242 00:23:32,742 --> 00:23:36,329 {\an2}We were trying to keep calm and quiet so he didn't hear us... 243 00:23:36,871 --> 00:23:40,083 {\an2}while we were hiding and hunching down between a couple of isles. 244 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:41,876 {\an2}And eventually he hears us. 245 00:23:44,337 --> 00:23:50,301 {\an2}No, the female that were with me were crying and we were trying to keep them quiet... 246 00:23:50,426 --> 00:23:51,845 {\an2}because we were very scared. 247 00:23:51,970 --> 00:23:53,555 {\an2}I think eventually he hears us. 248 00:23:53,638 --> 00:23:56,391 {\an2}I'd say about 35 to 40 minutes later... 249 00:23:56,474 --> 00:24:00,186 {\an2}it's when he found us hiding and hunched down between a couple of isles. 250 00:24:01,271 --> 00:24:03,189 {\an2}He started shooting at us, right away. 251 00:24:10,071 --> 00:24:15,326 {\an2}I remember Maggie pushing me telling me run, run, she grabbed my arm... 252 00:24:15,994 --> 00:24:20,957 {\an2}I never looked at her, I just shook my arm down and kept running... 253 00:24:21,082 --> 00:24:23,501 {\an2}and I got out of the way of the bullets... 254 00:24:23,543 --> 00:24:26,421 {\an2}and... 255 00:24:26,921 --> 00:24:30,049 {\an2}she didn't, she stayed there. 256 00:24:34,387 --> 00:24:35,638 {\an2}I ran to the closet. 257 00:24:35,722 --> 00:24:36,848 {\an2}You ran to the closet. 258 00:24:36,931 --> 00:24:40,518 {\an2}I run to go to the emergency exit, but that was locked. 259 00:24:42,437 --> 00:24:43,479 {\an2}Yeah. 260 00:24:43,646 --> 00:24:46,774 {\an2}[Wendy] So everyone in that closet with me had the same idea... 261 00:24:46,858 --> 00:24:50,445 {\an2}we all run for the emergency exit, we were trying to go into the closet. 262 00:24:52,030 --> 00:24:54,199 {\an2}They were afraid we were gonna steal food. 263 00:24:58,828 --> 00:25:00,663 {\an2}Um... six? 264 00:25:00,914 --> 00:25:03,249 {\an2}-Wow. -Yeah. 265 00:25:04,292 --> 00:25:05,335 {\an2}And a baby. 266 00:25:08,838 --> 00:25:09,839 {\an2}Yes. 267 00:25:12,884 --> 00:25:17,555 {\an2}No, he ended up running out of ammunition after he killed my coworkers... 268 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,601 {\an2}he shot me, he ran out of ammunition on me, and he went to the front to reload. 269 00:25:21,976 --> 00:25:26,314 {\an2}When he went back to the front to reload, I tried to get up to try to get out of there. 270 00:25:26,439 --> 00:25:32,070 {\an2}I fell on my face because I was shot in my leg and I couldn't walk, so I ended up crawling... 271 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,949 {\an2}out of the main floor downstairs into a closet. 272 00:25:45,416 --> 00:25:48,461 {\an2}It's just the will to get out of there, to try to stay alive. 273 00:25:58,096 --> 00:26:00,557 {\an2}I don't know, you know when... 274 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,310 {\an2}when you are under such stress, and you just want to live and survive... 275 00:26:04,352 --> 00:26:05,937 {\an2}you can do whatever it takes. 276 00:26:06,104 --> 00:26:10,233 {\an2}I wasn't really thinking, I was just wanting to leave and get out of that area. 277 00:26:10,275 --> 00:26:14,279 {\an2}Because I knew that he was gonna come back and finish me off. I never looked back. 278 00:26:14,362 --> 00:26:18,157 {\an2}I just crawled and crawled and crawled, just hoping that he didn't see me... 279 00:26:18,157 --> 00:26:21,578 {\an2}and hear me as I made my way downstairs into the closet. 280 00:26:21,953 --> 00:26:27,166 {\an2}He came, well, we were locked in that, we could only hear, we didn't know who it was... 281 00:26:27,250 --> 00:26:30,920 {\an2}he slid against the door, saying, please let me in. 282 00:26:31,421 --> 00:26:33,256 {\an2}And we said, it's Albert. 283 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:35,800 {\an2}They opened the door, they dragged him in. 284 00:26:36,634 --> 00:26:40,638 {\an2}And then, he fell amongst us... 285 00:26:40,972 --> 00:26:42,473 {\an2}there was no room in there... 286 00:26:42,557 --> 00:26:48,771 {\an2}and he collapsed at first, but he was in so much pain... 287 00:26:49,647 --> 00:26:53,401 {\an2}and shot all over the place, it was just horrible... 288 00:26:53,526 --> 00:26:55,069 {\an2}he couldn't make any sounds. 289 00:26:56,321 --> 00:27:00,450 {\an2}He couldn't even cry, because that would jeopardize our safety here. 290 00:27:07,999 --> 00:27:11,836 {\an2}[Albert] When I was down in the closet, I took the shoelaces off my shoes... 291 00:27:11,878 --> 00:27:18,218 {\an2}and I used one on my right leg to control the bleeding, trying to get my left arm... 292 00:27:18,301 --> 00:27:19,969 {\an2}because it was bleeding heavily. 293 00:27:20,053 --> 00:27:21,971 {\an2}Then I grabbed a cloth and bit on it. 294 00:27:25,725 --> 00:27:27,018 {\an2}Yes, I am. 295 00:27:32,565 --> 00:27:37,779 {\an2}I arrived at the shopping center adjacent to the MacDonald's... 296 00:27:38,071 --> 00:27:41,074 {\an2}at about 4:40 p.m.? 297 00:27:41,449 --> 00:27:45,828 {\an2}I got up on top of the roof along with my spotter... 298 00:27:46,037 --> 00:27:49,082 {\an2}at about 5:02 p.m.. 299 00:27:49,332 --> 00:27:56,047 {\an2}Once I got up on to the post office's roof, I could look down upon the MacDonald's. 300 00:27:56,464 --> 00:28:00,927 {\an2}I could see a few bodies lying inside the restaurant. 301 00:28:01,803 --> 00:28:08,601 {\an2}I could see sometimes when the shooter was firing out towards the street... 302 00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:10,311 {\an2}and towards the fire trucks. 303 00:28:10,854 --> 00:28:12,856 {\an2}I could see the ricochets of the rounds. 304 00:28:13,398 --> 00:28:19,612 {\an2}The shooter within the MacDonald's had a lot of advantages where he was at. 305 00:28:19,696 --> 00:28:23,575 {\an2}He had a clear feel to fire of outside because of the parking lots. 306 00:28:23,992 --> 00:28:29,831 {\an2}Other officers told me that they tried to advance over to the MacDonald's... 307 00:28:29,956 --> 00:28:32,917 {\an2}to give aid to the kids that was shot outside the door. 308 00:28:33,418 --> 00:28:35,295 {\an2}They were driven back by gunfire. 309 00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:39,674 {\an2}There was no cover for them to protect themselves. 310 00:28:40,842 --> 00:28:43,803 {\an2}The windows of the MacDonald's... 311 00:28:44,262 --> 00:28:45,471 {\an2}were tainted... 312 00:28:46,306 --> 00:28:49,809 {\an2}I believe, was laminated glass. 313 00:28:50,185 --> 00:28:54,355 {\an2}there were bullet holes through the glass, but the glass did not shatter. 314 00:28:54,647 --> 00:28:58,359 {\an2}It was impossible to see inside the MacDonald's... 315 00:28:58,359 --> 00:28:59,652 {\an2}through those windows... 316 00:29:01,696 --> 00:29:07,619 {\an2}I didn't get a chance to see him at all until, just before, shooting in. 317 00:29:07,952 --> 00:29:11,623 {\an2}The only reason I could see inside was that his gunshots... 318 00:29:11,831 --> 00:29:16,586 {\an2}shattered a double door of safety glass. 319 00:29:17,045 --> 00:29:20,590 {\an2}He was sitting on the counter where you would order food... 320 00:29:21,007 --> 00:29:26,262 {\an2}had his legs dangling off it, I could see him basically from the five down... 321 00:29:26,679 --> 00:29:29,224 {\an2}he appeared to be reloading one of his magazines. 322 00:29:29,641 --> 00:29:32,185 {\an2}I waited until he hopped off the counter... 323 00:29:32,268 --> 00:29:35,480 {\an2}and then he walked towards the door with the broken glass... 324 00:29:35,563 --> 00:29:42,487 {\an2}and then stopped to where the top of the door frame covered his head and neck... 325 00:29:43,112 --> 00:29:46,366 {\an2}that I had a clear view of his chest and torso... 326 00:29:47,492 --> 00:29:49,369 {\an2}so then I shot him through his heart. 327 00:29:49,452 --> 00:29:50,495 {\an2}Bang! 328 00:29:57,836 --> 00:29:59,462 {\an2}[people speaking on the phone] 329 00:29:59,629 --> 00:30:06,594 {\an2}[illegible] 330 00:30:06,678 --> 00:30:10,265 {\an2}[illegible] 331 00:30:18,273 --> 00:30:21,818 {\an2}Everybody was glad, it was apparently over. 332 00:30:22,777 --> 00:30:29,200 {\an2}But buried in mind, nobody yet had realized the full scene. 333 00:30:29,993 --> 00:30:32,912 {\an2}Nobody knew how many people were dead in that restaurant. 334 00:30:33,788 --> 00:30:36,124 {\an2}Nobody knew there was an infant shot to death. 335 00:30:42,422 --> 00:30:44,007 {\an2}Apparently, when I got there... 336 00:30:44,132 --> 00:30:49,429 {\an2}the shot I believe had already been fired and had knocked down the suspect. 337 00:30:49,470 --> 00:30:55,143 {\an2}I just saw a lot of chaos going on, people everywhere, trying to watch and see what was going on. 338 00:30:55,268 --> 00:30:59,397 {\an2}All police officers were still trying to contain the scene, set traffic post. 339 00:31:09,866 --> 00:31:15,955 {\an2}Not nearly the amount of carnage was suspected that ultimately was found... 340 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,083 {\an2}people were saying there was a couple of people shot outside. 341 00:31:19,167 --> 00:31:22,170 {\an2}because we were getting it from different vantage points. 342 00:31:36,684 --> 00:31:39,479 {\an2}Because people didn't want to come to the police... 343 00:31:39,729 --> 00:31:42,857 {\an2}they were looking for the loved ones even if they were wounded. 344 00:31:42,941 --> 00:31:45,068 {\an2}They were trying to get people they knew. 345 00:31:55,537 --> 00:31:59,916 {\an2}Information is of the utmost at that time, if you have another suspect took off... 346 00:31:59,999 --> 00:32:05,672 {\an2}or another could come out with hostages, could beat up one of the hostages... 347 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,466 {\an2}People went up all through the house all around here. 348 00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:11,261 {\an2}There was bullets and ricocheting all over the place. 349 00:32:11,845 --> 00:32:15,098 {\an2}I didn't get a chance to see him but real scary... 350 00:32:15,765 --> 00:32:16,850 {\an2}real scary. 351 00:32:17,016 --> 00:32:21,354 {\an2}He was just shooting at anything it was just so such gunfire, it was terrible. 352 00:32:22,188 --> 00:32:23,815 {\an2}Are you scared? Really scared? 353 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:27,861 {\an2}I was scared, but at the same time, I was more scared at the people inside. 354 00:32:32,115 --> 00:32:34,951 {\an2}One of the first persons come out was Guadalupe. 355 00:32:35,076 --> 00:32:39,664 {\an2}And I noticed that she had some blood on her dress... 356 00:32:40,164 --> 00:32:42,584 {\an2}and at that point I asked her if she's okay... 357 00:32:43,126 --> 00:32:46,462 {\an2}and she said, yes. I said, are you sure? 358 00:32:46,504 --> 00:32:49,966 {\an2}She said yes, she did not realize that she had been shot at that time. 359 00:32:50,049 --> 00:32:52,677 {\an2}She saw the blood but she didn't think it was hurt. 360 00:32:52,802 --> 00:32:57,891 {\an2}I didn't want to have her panic, so I walked over the ambulance, and they treated her from there. 361 00:33:48,233 --> 00:33:49,526 {\an2}[alarm sirens] 362 00:33:49,651 --> 00:33:51,653 {\an2}[Wendy] In the end, the alarm went off... 363 00:33:51,736 --> 00:33:55,365 {\an2}and that's why we couldn't hear when the police came into the building. 364 00:33:55,573 --> 00:34:00,286 {\an2}We didn't know and then we hear someone at the closet, they were yelling something... 365 00:34:01,329 --> 00:34:03,665 {\an2}and they threw the closet door open... 366 00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:08,503 {\an2}and they put all their guns on us and they were trying to figure out who we were... 367 00:34:08,545 --> 00:34:11,464 {\an2}because they didn't know, I guess they were telling us... 368 00:34:11,548 --> 00:34:16,010 {\an2}that they were in there come out if you need help or whatever, we didn't hear any of that. 369 00:34:22,350 --> 00:34:26,312 {\an2}He was hunched up and I just grabbed his legs and tried to wake him up... 370 00:34:26,396 --> 00:34:28,314 {\an2}I thought he was asleep like I was... 371 00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:34,112 {\an2}I didn't think it was really registered that he was dead. 372 00:34:35,363 --> 00:34:38,741 {\an2}I don't think I really realized that, I was in a lot of shock. 373 00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:44,497 {\an2}So... I don't think I realized that till later. 374 00:34:48,126 --> 00:34:54,174 {\an2}[crowd talking] 375 00:35:51,898 --> 00:35:56,402 {\an2}Somebody ran up to my car and said the baby's been shot, so I placed the woman... 376 00:35:57,237 --> 00:36:01,699 {\an2}who was in the car with me, she didn't speak English, she kept saying, it's not my baby. 377 00:36:01,783 --> 00:36:05,745 {\an2}I said it's okay, she was holding the head wound, I was holding the back wound... 378 00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:07,539 {\an2}that was on the back of the baby. 379 00:36:07,664 --> 00:36:11,292 {\an2}I drove with one hand, and I ministered the baby as I drove the hospital. 380 00:36:24,806 --> 00:36:26,599 {\an2}I don't know the exact number. 381 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:29,269 {\an2}I have a few scars in my back. 382 00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:35,441 {\an2}My mom and I have the same scar in the stomach. 383 00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:38,236 {\an2}Yes. 384 00:36:39,112 --> 00:36:44,242 {\an2}A lot of people obviously were involved with me surviving, so I'm very thankful. 385 00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:50,832 {\an2}The nurse, the police that were holding my wound... 386 00:36:50,957 --> 00:36:54,210 {\an2}the stranger that took me. 387 00:37:23,531 --> 00:37:25,742 {\an2}[Charlie] Her left eye is a fake eye. 388 00:39:31,367 --> 00:39:34,871 {\an2}I saw the videotape and I think for a long time I was the only one... 389 00:39:34,954 --> 00:39:39,292 {\an2}who did the police department video crew who I've been working with earlier that day... 390 00:39:39,834 --> 00:39:41,669 {\an2}went in and... 391 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,674 {\an2}and shot the after math scene... 392 00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:48,843 {\an2}before the bodies were taken out... 393 00:39:50,261 --> 00:39:52,847 {\an2}I saw that tape. 394 00:39:53,723 --> 00:39:54,974 {\an2}I wish I hadn't. 395 00:40:01,105 --> 00:40:03,399 {\an2}We're viewing the body... 396 00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:06,444 {\an2}of a male Mexican... 397 00:40:06,528 --> 00:40:08,363 {\an2}approximately ten years old... 398 00:40:08,988 --> 00:40:12,242 {\an2}he's wearing brown shorts and a camouflage shirt. 399 00:40:14,035 --> 00:40:19,874 {\an2}He is located on the west side walk on the patio area at the MacDonald's restaurant. 400 00:40:23,378 --> 00:40:28,007 {\an2}We're now viewing the body of a male Mexican, approximately ten years old... 401 00:40:28,633 --> 00:40:31,261 {\an2}wearing brown shorts and a green T-shirt... 402 00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:33,555 {\an2}he's lying on his stomach... 403 00:40:34,347 --> 00:40:36,182 {\an2}with a large amount of vomit... 404 00:40:36,641 --> 00:40:38,643 {\an2}in front of his face. 405 00:40:42,939 --> 00:40:48,820 {\an2}We now view the remains of a female Mexican lying on her stomach... 406 00:40:49,362 --> 00:40:53,116 {\an2}she is wearing a pair of white pants and a white blouse. 407 00:40:54,701 --> 00:41:01,583 {\an2}Now we're viewing the remains of a male Mexican wearing blue shorts and a blue shirt. 408 00:41:03,793 --> 00:41:10,758 {\an2}He's also lying on the west walk way right outside the double doors of the restaurant area. 409 00:41:16,431 --> 00:41:18,433 {\an2}They have a pathway over through here? 410 00:41:20,268 --> 00:41:21,394 {\an2}Okay. 411 00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:02,769 {\an2}[man mumbles] 412 00:44:18,696 --> 00:44:22,200 {\an2}I looked over and I saw MacDonald uniform. 413 00:44:22,283 --> 00:44:28,790 {\an2}Then I'm assuming that was Maggie where she fell and got shot a bunch of times there... 414 00:44:28,873 --> 00:44:34,003 {\an2}that was the worst part... 415 00:44:34,879 --> 00:44:36,714 {\an2}of everything in seeing her. 416 00:44:39,092 --> 00:44:42,595 {\an2}I'll never forget what she looked like. 417 00:45:14,043 --> 00:45:18,298 {\an2}I was the lieutenant and SWAT Commander in San Ysidro in July, 1984. 418 00:45:20,341 --> 00:45:23,845 {\an2}If you had to do it all over again, would you do anything differently? 419 00:45:24,262 --> 00:45:28,516 {\an2}You have the worst case scenario you could possible come up in San Diego... 420 00:45:29,058 --> 00:45:31,644 {\an2}you've got it in right at the border... 421 00:45:31,895 --> 00:45:33,396 {\an2}in rush hour traffic... 422 00:45:34,272 --> 00:45:38,818 {\an2}when the lights on those window, so you can't see through when you have a mad man firing... 423 00:45:38,943 --> 00:45:43,239 {\an2}251 rounds out through there at those police officers the whole time... 424 00:45:43,531 --> 00:45:48,161 {\an2}the windows had all been spidered by all the gunfire that he did or already done... 425 00:45:48,286 --> 00:45:51,039 {\an2}you couldn't see in the building because of the sun. 426 00:45:51,164 --> 00:45:56,002 {\an2}You've got victims all around the perimeter of the restaurant and inside the restaurant. 427 00:45:56,127 --> 00:45:58,338 {\an2}I don't know what you could do differently. 428 00:45:58,379 --> 00:46:01,299 {\an2}According to the Union-Tribune, your beeper wasn't working. 429 00:46:05,303 --> 00:46:11,976 {\an2}It is, the top brass on the police department was having a work shop and mission bay. 430 00:46:12,352 --> 00:46:14,229 {\an2}I was facilitating that. 431 00:46:14,729 --> 00:46:17,273 {\an2}I didn't know my beeper never went off. 432 00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:21,194 {\an2}At some point, a couple of other beepers went off in the room... 433 00:46:21,319 --> 00:46:24,656 {\an2}and they told me I need to get on the radio and respond immediately. 434 00:46:26,783 --> 00:46:31,287 {\an2}I don't know, this is 1984, we're not talking about the technology we have now. 435 00:46:38,837 --> 00:46:40,463 {\an2}No, it's not fair to say that. 436 00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:52,642 {\an2}I learned more that day about disasters than what I have learned in everything since. 437 00:46:52,725 --> 00:46:59,524 {\an2}No matter how well you perform, when 21 people died, there's simply no way to say I'm sorry. 438 00:47:07,156 --> 00:47:08,283 {\an2}-Keys? -Yes. 439 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:09,826 {\an2}I don't know that. 440 00:47:18,042 --> 00:47:21,462 {\an2}I would think Daniel Munoz man-made that up... 441 00:47:21,546 --> 00:47:24,132 {\an2}I don't know that, I've never heard of that before. 442 00:47:24,841 --> 00:47:28,178 {\an2}They printed some articles when I was running for protocol office... 443 00:47:28,344 --> 00:47:32,390 {\an2}they were obviously hit articles that weren't based on fact or based on emotion... 444 00:47:32,473 --> 00:47:34,517 {\an2}or just what they want it to be based on. 445 00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:41,774 {\an2}Well, I don't have a clue. 446 00:47:41,816 --> 00:47:45,111 {\an2}What exactly was that social function you were at? 447 00:47:45,195 --> 00:47:47,989 {\an2}I was told that it might've even been a mini-party... 448 00:47:52,118 --> 00:47:56,456 {\an2}I know, so it was a workshop that the chiefs put on... 449 00:47:56,497 --> 00:48:00,960 {\an2}I was asked to help facilitate it because I was a lieutenant in field operation... 450 00:48:01,044 --> 00:48:02,337 {\an2}also the SWAT Commander. 451 00:48:02,795 --> 00:48:05,590 {\an2}There were some type of strategic planning going on... 452 00:48:05,673 --> 00:48:07,675 {\an2}it certainly wasn't a party of any type. 453 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,804 {\an2}I would imagine we held those probably two to three times a year... 454 00:48:11,888 --> 00:48:13,973 {\an2}and you don't drink during the work day. 455 00:48:15,767 --> 00:48:16,768 {\an2}Not that I'd recall. 456 00:48:16,893 --> 00:48:17,977 {\an2}Were you drinking? 457 00:48:18,061 --> 00:48:20,438 {\an2}As a lieutenant, you don't drink around anybody. 458 00:48:20,605 --> 00:48:25,151 {\an2}and in fact, I never drank when I was in a position of authority on the police department. 459 00:48:26,611 --> 00:48:29,197 {\an2}I got on scene a little bit after 5 o'clock. 460 00:48:29,656 --> 00:48:36,621 {\an2}I think I got my notification about 4:34, 4:35, jump right on the freeway... 461 00:48:36,746 --> 00:48:38,498 {\an2}but it was rush hour traffic. 462 00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:43,545 {\an2}At the end of the day, you'd have to say there was some mistakes made. 463 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,089 {\an2}I don't think they were deliberately made. 464 00:48:50,009 --> 00:48:56,724 {\an2}Jerry Sanders, I think, would admit that it was probably a mistake... 465 00:48:57,016 --> 00:49:02,397 {\an2}to have called off the "green light", allowing sniper to go ahead and take a shot. 466 00:49:02,522 --> 00:49:05,024 {\an2}But he was far away, he didn't know what he had... 467 00:49:05,108 --> 00:49:07,861 {\an2}and as a SWAT Commander, he needed to know what he had. 468 00:49:20,748 --> 00:49:23,084 {\an2}The "green light" is simply a term of art... 469 00:49:23,168 --> 00:49:25,753 {\an2}and I don't think a lot of people understood that. 470 00:49:25,795 --> 00:49:28,965 {\an2}With the red light, it simply means you can't take a shot... 471 00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:31,509 {\an2}if the person is not presenting any danger... 472 00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:34,345 {\an2}wanted to make sure we had an accurate description... 473 00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:38,183 {\an2}that we knew how many suspects were inside before we told people to shoot. 474 00:49:38,766 --> 00:49:42,854 {\an2}Foster said he knew all along he could've shot any time he saw and he would have. 475 00:49:43,563 --> 00:49:46,816 {\an2}[Foster] Not having the "green light" doesn't mean I can't fire... 476 00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:53,907 {\an2}it's just that the suspect would have to be showing an immediate threat to another officer... 477 00:49:54,032 --> 00:49:56,534 {\an2}or myself, or to another person. 478 00:49:57,368 --> 00:50:03,166 {\an2}After that incident, we stopped using those code words and just went to plain language. 479 00:50:07,545 --> 00:50:08,630 {\an2}You bet. 480 00:50:08,755 --> 00:50:09,797 {\an2}You bet. 481 00:50:09,964 --> 00:50:16,888 {\an2}You bet, nobody knew this guy was just by himself... 482 00:50:17,013 --> 00:50:21,226 {\an2}and just arbitrarily shooting people. 483 00:50:26,272 --> 00:50:27,524 {\an2}That's to my knowledge. 484 00:50:31,277 --> 00:50:34,364 {\an2}You could see him moving around you could see the shadow... 485 00:50:34,489 --> 00:50:37,492 {\an2}we figured and we actually saw him moving and reloading... 486 00:50:37,575 --> 00:50:39,994 {\an2}and firing into the people and firing outside... 487 00:50:45,625 --> 00:50:47,919 {\an2}No, we knew that people were being shot. 488 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:51,714 {\an2}We knew people had been shot. There were some on the perimeter. 489 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,385 {\an2}There were also people who were alive on the perimeter crouched down... 490 00:50:55,677 --> 00:50:59,597 {\an2}which meant the officers couldn't rush it and couldn't fire right back in there. 491 00:51:02,892 --> 00:51:05,478 {\an2}Yeah, I saw several people get shot. 492 00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:10,441 {\an2}We arrived shortly after the incident began the scene was one of to absolute confusion. 493 00:51:10,525 --> 00:51:13,570 {\an2}Shots were ringing out, the nightmare was unfolding. 494 00:51:13,903 --> 00:51:18,616 {\an2}I saw one old woman carrying, look like a child, get shot in the back. 495 00:51:19,325 --> 00:51:26,249 {\an2}The woman and the child fall and he started to shoot into, look like a lot of people. 496 00:51:26,332 --> 00:51:31,546 {\an2}but all I could see was window and some signs, MacDonald's arches... 497 00:51:31,671 --> 00:51:35,925 {\an2}it was really tough to see through the glass, but it was clear what was going on there. 498 00:51:37,635 --> 00:51:38,970 {\an2}Inside, inside. 499 00:51:39,762 --> 00:51:42,807 {\an2}[Jerry] You couldn't see in the building because of the sun. 500 00:51:42,932 --> 00:51:46,686 {\an2}They couldn't see anyone in there and they also didn't know who was in there. 501 00:51:46,769 --> 00:51:50,023 {\an2}I don't believe it was in anybody's mind, certainly not my own... 502 00:51:50,106 --> 00:51:55,486 {\an2}that anything else happened rather other than possibly a robbery gone bad. 503 00:51:56,154 --> 00:52:01,326 {\an2}And for some reason, the shooter was still inside and shooting at the cops... 504 00:52:01,576 --> 00:52:02,952 {\an2}shooting at the fireman... 505 00:52:03,244 --> 00:52:07,248 {\an2}but not killing off anybody inside that he could. 506 00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:11,544 {\an2}What's the greater risk here, intervening and killing innocent people... 507 00:52:11,628 --> 00:52:13,630 {\an2}or having some mad man just firing away? 508 00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:18,009 {\an2}I simply don't know how you would do it differently not having accurate descriptions... 509 00:52:18,301 --> 00:52:21,012 {\an2}having someone firing in three different weapons... 510 00:52:21,095 --> 00:52:23,556 {\an2}so you think there were three different suspects. 511 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,477 {\an2}You have to have a plan before you go in so you don't get more people killed. 512 00:52:29,145 --> 00:52:31,439 {\an2}[Foster] At the beginning of the incident... 513 00:52:31,564 --> 00:52:35,985 {\an2}we'd gotten at least three different suspect descriptions... 514 00:52:36,486 --> 00:52:38,696 {\an2}of possible shooters inside. 515 00:52:39,113 --> 00:52:44,911 {\an2}Just shooting one might anger any additional suspects inside... 516 00:52:45,578 --> 00:52:47,664 {\an2}till them shoot hostages. 517 00:52:47,872 --> 00:52:52,710 {\an2}And then we got information that brought it down to just one suspect. 518 00:52:53,294 --> 00:52:57,298 {\an2}And once that was done, and we were once again given a "green light". 519 00:52:59,676 --> 00:53:04,264 {\an2}The suspect, heavily armed, immediately started shooting everybody. 520 00:53:04,514 --> 00:53:10,979 {\an2}The customers that were inside the restaurant had absolutely no chance to escape. 521 00:53:19,404 --> 00:53:22,365 {\an2}The fact of the matter is, I don't know if you know this... 522 00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:26,786 {\an2}the majority of the people that were killed would be killed in the first couple minutes. 523 00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:31,249 {\an2}I said the majority. 524 00:53:37,505 --> 00:53:38,798 {\an2}No, that never happened. 525 00:53:42,927 --> 00:53:44,262 {\an2}I can't speak for them. 526 00:53:45,597 --> 00:53:52,395 {\an2}When Albert got shot, he was hiding and got discovered that wasn't until half-way into it. 527 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,483 {\an2}And he was with three or four other people, they all run, and couple of them died... 528 00:53:57,609 --> 00:54:01,946 {\an2}and other ones got shot, so that wasn't the first ten minutes. 529 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,515 {\an2}No, I think they did shoot a lot of people in the beginning... 530 00:54:28,973 --> 00:54:33,561 {\an2}but I don't think that the majority is killed in the first ten minutes... 531 00:54:33,686 --> 00:54:35,647 {\an2}some of them were shot and not dead... 532 00:54:36,064 --> 00:54:39,192 {\an2}EMT could came in and save them. 533 00:54:39,275 --> 00:54:45,448 {\an2}if they'd have access to some in to the building, so they laid there and he would get bored... 534 00:54:45,532 --> 00:54:48,576 {\an2}he would re-shoot people. 535 00:54:56,209 --> 00:54:57,919 {\an2}He should be angry at this day. 536 00:54:58,044 --> 00:54:59,504 {\an2}I would be angry also. 537 00:54:59,629 --> 00:55:05,552 {\an2}Once again, I want to tell you that being a victim inside for 77 minutes... 538 00:55:05,635 --> 00:55:08,221 {\an2}is much different than trying to plan the response. 539 00:55:18,273 --> 00:55:22,277 {\an2}I believe that from the witness statements and from the things people told us... 540 00:55:22,694 --> 00:55:27,407 {\an2}that his initial firing, he walked around, he shot people. 541 00:55:27,824 --> 00:55:30,451 {\an2}People had already gone down, he shot them again. 542 00:55:31,411 --> 00:55:37,375 {\an2}I believe he shot people for a period of time there for ten maybe fifteen minutes. 543 00:55:37,667 --> 00:55:43,673 {\an2}But beyond that point, he was concentrating his firing and his efforts on police officers. 544 00:55:47,468 --> 00:55:53,391 {\an2}According to the quarters office, 13 of the deceased victims inside... 545 00:55:53,474 --> 00:55:57,061 {\an2}would have died almost immediately when they were shot. 546 00:56:01,524 --> 00:56:04,194 {\an2}Several others could've survived for a few minutes... 547 00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:11,201 {\an2}but probably not a long time, so again, who knows? It's pure speculation at this point. 548 00:56:15,997 --> 00:56:19,375 {\an2}The policy at the time to immediately handcuff the suspect... 549 00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:21,503 {\an2}They felt that he was dead... 550 00:56:21,586 --> 00:56:27,467 {\an2}they checked him, but they had many other wounded people in there that needed help... 551 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,639 {\an2}so that was their first thought was to save life and protect life. 552 00:56:39,354 --> 00:56:41,105 {\an2}How did you ID some of the bodies? 553 00:56:42,023 --> 00:56:47,403 {\an2}When I identify, it was the second day, because this was a long investigation... 554 00:56:47,487 --> 00:56:49,572 {\an2}the bodies were there for quite some time. 555 00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:56,037 {\an2}The [illegible] people took Polaroids of all of the victims that were there. 556 00:56:56,204 --> 00:57:00,667 {\an2}And we set up an auditorium with a short distance away from MacDonald's. 557 00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:04,754 {\an2}This was probably one of the most difficult things I've ever done in my career. 558 00:57:05,171 --> 00:57:09,884 {\an2}I had Polaroid pictures of kids that had been murdered. 559 00:57:10,385 --> 00:57:12,971 {\an2}And I had to show these pictures to the audience... 560 00:57:13,096 --> 00:57:18,017 {\an2}because obviously these kids don't carry ID in their pocket as an adult would. 561 00:57:18,101 --> 00:57:21,896 {\an2}So when I held these photographs up and my partner did... 562 00:57:22,021 --> 00:57:25,441 {\an2}we would see people that would immediately be effected in the crowd... 563 00:57:25,567 --> 00:57:28,236 {\an2}that would recognize that was one of their loved ones. 564 00:57:28,236 --> 00:57:32,323 {\an2}We would have to contact that either person, individual or groups... 565 00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:38,037 {\an2}and they would be crying and emotional and we would get crying... 566 00:57:39,914 --> 00:57:41,416 {\an2}and emotional ourselves. 567 00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:44,085 {\an2}And we would have to get the information. 568 00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:52,135 {\an2}That probably is the most outstanding thing in my mind of this whole situation... 569 00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:58,224 {\an2}other than the sorrow and the heartbreak that took place to all the people in the community. 570 00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:16,201 {\an2}We really did have a whole lot of violence there. 571 00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:21,206 {\an2}A lot of Mexican families, a little bit of poverty, but nice community. 572 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:27,587 {\an2}What it was known for was the heroin because of the proximity to the border. 573 00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:29,130 {\an2}That's what kept us busy. 574 00:58:29,631 --> 00:58:32,926 {\an2}Other than that, peaceful and a very pleasant place to work. 575 00:58:34,802 --> 00:58:37,180 {\an2}I never had a bad experience in San Ysidro. 576 00:58:37,305 --> 00:58:42,352 {\an2}But I know from crime statistics that it can be an edgy place... 577 00:58:43,645 --> 00:58:45,355 {\an2}anything south of interstate aid... 578 00:58:45,563 --> 00:58:48,066 {\an2}that's kind of that profile and varying respects. 579 00:58:48,608 --> 00:58:51,486 {\an2}It's the busiest border crossing in the world. 580 00:58:51,569 --> 00:58:56,324 {\an2}Imagine the millions of stories that can be told, good, bad and different... 581 00:58:57,033 --> 00:59:00,620 {\an2}San Ysidro is the [illegible] within the city of San Diego. 582 00:59:00,703 --> 00:59:03,540 {\an2}The city of San Diego found a strange way to annex it... 583 00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:07,919 {\an2}so that the San Diego police could control that part... 584 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,088 {\an2}of the border area... 585 00:59:10,755 --> 00:59:13,550 {\an2}because it can be so dangerous, it can be so fluid. 586 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,303 {\an2}The city of San Diego, the city of fathers made a conscious decision... 587 00:59:17,428 --> 00:59:19,097 {\an2}that we need to be on top of that. 588 00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:25,937 {\an2}That needs to be within the in-cooperated jurisdiction that we can govern, police and serve. 589 00:59:26,187 --> 00:59:31,317 {\an2}San Ysidro is a wonderful area, but it's been forgotten in margin lies... 590 00:59:31,401 --> 00:59:33,903 {\an2}and is unrepresented forever. 591 00:59:33,945 --> 00:59:36,489 {\an2}They don't think San Ysidro gets it to do. 592 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,908 {\an2}They just wanted the border area. 593 00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:41,911 {\an2}So they annexed the city. San Diego annexed it. 594 00:59:41,995 --> 00:59:44,956 {\an2}But the community's misunderstood and under-served. 595 00:59:51,963 --> 00:59:53,006 {\an2}Hmm. 596 01:00:05,894 --> 01:00:08,229 {\an2}Yes, I do. 597 01:00:08,229 --> 01:00:14,485 {\an2}I think the thing is when I said it, it wasn't because we didn't do our job... 598 01:00:14,694 --> 01:00:16,946 {\an2}it was because we didn't have enough tools... 599 01:00:17,238 --> 01:00:19,949 {\an2}we didn't have the intelligence of what was going on. 600 01:00:20,033 --> 01:00:23,036 {\an2}We didn't have the training of today like they do now. 601 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:28,458 {\an2}Things police officer do now are totally different from what we did back then. 602 01:00:46,809 --> 01:00:49,187 {\an2}I think the biggest thing over the years is... 603 01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:52,023 {\an2}that it made us aware of the actual shooter situation... 604 01:00:52,106 --> 01:00:56,194 {\an2}no longer we're just gonna surround and contain, we need to get in there... 605 01:00:56,277 --> 01:00:59,948 {\an2}or a police officer needs to get in there and take some kind of action... 606 01:01:00,031 --> 01:01:02,200 {\an2}when there is an active shooter going on. 607 01:01:02,283 --> 01:01:04,953 {\an2}You get paid to save life, that's what you gotta do. 608 01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:08,456 {\an2}Police officers know that they are gonna risk their lives sometimes. 609 01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:13,253 {\an2}I remember being a little bit pissed off about being armed with a 38... 610 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,673 {\an2}and have this guy armed with a Uzi. 611 01:01:17,090 --> 01:01:20,927 {\an2}It made me aware of the weaponry that's out there... 612 01:01:21,886 --> 01:01:24,347 {\an2}and the dangers the police officers face... 613 01:01:24,472 --> 01:01:25,640 {\an2}and the public as well. 614 01:01:26,099 --> 01:01:27,767 {\an2}Obviously the model has changed. 615 01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:31,271 {\an2}Now when we have active shooters, we'd respond and go inside... 616 01:01:31,396 --> 01:01:35,191 {\an2}go wherever the active shooter is and until he put the threat down. 617 01:01:35,650 --> 01:01:37,277 {\an2}That's how we do business now. 618 01:01:37,443 --> 01:01:42,407 {\an2}Because we have so many mass shootings all over the world apart to the United States. 619 01:01:42,615 --> 01:01:45,410 {\an2}And I'm proud of what it's evolved to. 620 01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:56,212 {\an2}We expand the training, we went to a full-time SWAT team, it's called SRT. 621 01:01:56,296 --> 01:01:57,797 {\an2}All they did was SWAT duties. 622 01:01:57,922 --> 01:02:01,551 {\an2}They have take-on vehicles, they were completely prepared all the time. 623 01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:03,720 {\an2}We learn from all these incidents. 624 01:02:03,845 --> 01:02:09,100 {\an2}Better tactics, newer tactics, things like the robots... 625 01:02:09,809 --> 01:02:11,811 {\an2}We know hover on fleet of helicopters... 626 01:02:12,103 --> 01:02:16,399 {\an2}have different frequency just for SWAT, different radios... 627 01:02:16,774 --> 01:02:19,444 {\an2}much better capabilities and all of that. 628 01:02:19,861 --> 01:02:23,281 {\an2}I think the training picked up fairly dramatically after that. 629 01:02:24,407 --> 01:02:28,578 {\an2}So why do the shootings still continue today and are there any preventive measures? 630 01:02:29,287 --> 01:02:32,707 {\an2}Well, we still have deranged people. 631 01:02:32,790 --> 01:02:37,128 {\an2}Somebody who has mental instability as family said he did... 632 01:02:37,212 --> 01:02:40,673 {\an2}and he told them he's gone out to hunt people and nobody calls us. 633 01:02:45,970 --> 01:02:52,101 {\an2}In the morning of the following day, I get a phone call from the shooter's wife. 634 01:02:53,478 --> 01:02:55,522 {\an2}She asked for me by name. 635 01:02:56,272 --> 01:02:58,399 {\an2}In the newsroom, call the newsroom. 636 01:02:58,942 --> 01:03:01,569 {\an2}When I picked up the phone, I didn't know who it was. 637 01:03:02,237 --> 01:03:04,697 {\an2}I just answered the phone, and I said, "hello"... 638 01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:09,661 {\an2}she goes, "hi, this is the shooter's wife", she says, "I need to tell my story". 639 01:03:10,203 --> 01:03:11,913 {\an2}I sat down with her... 640 01:03:12,872 --> 01:03:18,336 {\an2}and she told me about his propensity to shoot weapons in their basement... 641 01:03:20,421 --> 01:03:24,801 {\an2}tell me about what was going on in his head just the days prior to the shooting. 642 01:03:25,176 --> 01:03:30,640 {\an2}And how he was very calm about everything else, but he was very much anti-immigrant. 643 01:03:38,106 --> 01:03:39,774 {\an2}He really did not like immigrants. 644 01:03:39,899 --> 01:03:42,443 {\an2}He hated immigrants, especially Mexican immigrants. 645 01:03:44,946 --> 01:03:46,990 {\an2}The wife told me this in the interview. 646 01:03:53,663 --> 01:03:55,957 {\an2}On the morning of the San Ysidro shooting... 647 01:03:56,416 --> 01:04:02,255 {\an2}had about 180 to 200 people for minor traffic violations... 648 01:04:02,922 --> 01:04:06,176 {\an2}His check in time was 8 a.m.. 649 01:04:06,759 --> 01:04:11,890 {\an2}He probably came in sometime between 8 and 8:30 that morning. 650 01:04:12,265 --> 01:04:15,935 {\an2}He came up and gave me a fairly substantial story. 651 01:04:16,019 --> 01:04:19,856 {\an2}I was pretty hard nose about reducing fines. 652 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,236 {\an2}He indicated us that he was from Ohio and only been here for a couple of months... 653 01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:27,447 {\an2}didn't realize that there was a violation. 654 01:04:27,488 --> 01:04:30,658 {\an2}I can't even tell you what the violation was, but it was minor. 655 01:04:31,117 --> 01:04:33,828 {\an2}I ended up suspending him a 75-dollar fine. 656 01:04:34,245 --> 01:04:35,622 {\an2}He exited the courtroom... 657 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,957 {\an2}had his wife and daughter with him. 658 01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:45,548 {\an2}He was pleasant, articular, showed no stress, showed no anger. 659 01:04:45,757 --> 01:04:48,635 {\an2}He was the last person out of the courtroom that morning. 660 01:04:55,308 --> 01:04:59,229 {\an2}Certainly, with this play of guilty, with the exclamation... 661 01:04:59,354 --> 01:05:01,314 {\an2}he had the patience to wait all morning. 662 01:05:01,731 --> 01:05:06,861 {\an2}He didn't, even with that three and a half hour wait, between signing in... 663 01:05:07,362 --> 01:05:10,240 {\an2}appearance and making the exclamation... 664 01:05:10,365 --> 01:05:12,367 {\an2}he didn't appear the least bit of upset. 665 01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:16,329 {\an2}They left there, they went to a MacDonald's restaurant... 666 01:05:16,412 --> 01:05:20,667 {\an2}it's basically right across the street from the court house, and had a meal. 667 01:05:21,376 --> 01:05:26,798 {\an2}And then on the way back to San Ysidro, he made a snap decision to go to the zoo. 668 01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:32,011 {\an2}They went to the zoo and they were walking around, looking at the exhibits... 669 01:05:32,095 --> 01:05:36,724 {\an2}the suspect said to his wife, "Well, society had his chance". 670 01:05:37,267 --> 01:05:43,523 {\an2}She thought that was a little loud, but she took it as one of his often... 671 01:05:43,565 --> 01:05:45,483 {\an2}irrational statements that he made. 672 01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:48,403 {\an2}When they got back to the apartment, she was tired... 673 01:05:48,486 --> 01:05:52,198 {\an2}she said she's going in and lay down and take a rest. 674 01:05:52,323 --> 01:05:54,450 {\an2}He came in some time later... 675 01:05:54,534 --> 01:05:59,956 {\an2}and he said to her, "I'm going hunting, I'm going hunting people". 676 01:06:00,164 --> 01:06:03,918 {\an2}A lot of people have told me that this was an attack on Mexican people... 677 01:06:04,711 --> 01:06:08,590 {\an2}would you agree with that? Why didn't he commit the act in Claremont? 678 01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:10,300 {\an2}Why didn't he do it at the zoo? 679 01:06:10,592 --> 01:06:14,554 {\an2}He didn't kill his family, so he knew exactly who he was firing at. 680 01:06:15,221 --> 01:06:16,806 {\an2}Well, I don't know. 681 01:06:17,140 --> 01:06:19,851 {\an2}I think, more likely... 682 01:06:19,934 --> 01:06:24,063 {\an2}first of all, he didn't have these weapons with him when he went to court... 683 01:06:24,147 --> 01:06:27,609 {\an2}when he went to the MacDonald's in Claremont. 684 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:32,280 {\an2}He may have gone in there, seen a lot of people in that restaurant... 685 01:06:32,655 --> 01:06:35,491 {\an2}maybe this helped set him off. 686 01:07:03,436 --> 01:07:05,355 {\an2}I think that might be a good thing... 687 01:07:05,438 --> 01:07:10,735 {\an2}because they're looking for fame and go down in history as the mass murderer, whatever. 688 01:07:10,818 --> 01:07:13,404 {\an2}I respect you for not putting their name in there. 689 01:07:17,825 --> 01:07:21,162 {\an2}Yes, this was one of the main reasons why I became a police officer. 690 01:07:22,914 --> 01:07:26,292 {\an2}After I survived the massacre, I was recovering. 691 01:07:26,417 --> 01:07:31,673 {\an2}I had some sleeping problems where I had nightmares. 692 01:07:31,714 --> 01:07:36,135 {\an2}And the nightmares were that I couldn't save the people inside of the MacDonald's. 693 01:07:36,511 --> 01:07:39,013 {\an2}I couldn't save the baby, the woman, the children. 694 01:07:39,138 --> 01:07:42,183 {\an2}It took me a long time to little by little work through that. 695 01:07:42,308 --> 01:07:46,896 {\an2}After I became a police officer, I was driving down the roadway about 2:30 in the morning... 696 01:07:47,021 --> 01:07:51,609 {\an2}and I came upon a burning vehicle, I just thought it was a burning vehicle... 697 01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:55,530 {\an2}I didn't think anyone was inside the vehicle, it was about two in the morning. 698 01:07:55,655 --> 01:07:57,198 {\an2}nobody was out on the freeway. 699 01:07:57,282 --> 01:08:02,120 {\an2}I pulled over, when I got to the vehicle, I heard someone yelling and screaming from the vehicle. 700 01:08:02,245 --> 01:08:07,083 {\an2}So I approached the vehicle completely engulfed and I just went into action... 701 01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:11,212 {\an2}I broke the window, I reached him, I grabbed him, I yanked him out of the vehicle. 702 01:08:11,296 --> 01:08:15,466 {\an2}I was able to save his life, even though he was burnt about 70 percent of his body. 703 01:08:15,550 --> 01:08:20,054 {\an2}He ended up falling asleep behind the vehicle after working roughly 18 hours as a painter. 704 01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:23,349 {\an2}His vehicle rolled over a couple of times and caught fire. 705 01:08:23,641 --> 01:08:27,228 {\an2}He was trapped in vehicle, I just happened to come at the right time... 706 01:08:27,312 --> 01:08:31,482 {\an2}I just thought I saved someone's life, I had a second chance. 707 01:08:31,566 --> 01:08:35,111 {\an2}That is the reason why I'm here, the reason why I'm a police officer... 708 01:08:35,195 --> 01:08:38,156 {\an2}God gave me that opportunity where I didn't freeze... 709 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,159 {\an2}and I was finally able to come through and save someone. 710 01:08:50,376 --> 01:08:53,296 {\an2}Yes, I think we should do more stories on the victims. 711 01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:57,342 {\an2}One way or another, their names and who they are should be out there. 712 01:08:57,467 --> 01:09:02,555 {\an2}More stories should be done of them instead of the actual shooter... 713 01:09:02,805 --> 01:09:06,100 {\an2}and his issues and his problems and his family and their problems. 714 01:09:08,478 --> 01:09:09,479 {\an2}Right. 715 01:13:29,364 --> 01:13:30,698 {\an2}My mom has an album... 716 01:13:32,617 --> 01:13:39,541 {\an2}of all the cards that people sent her... 717 01:13:39,874 --> 01:13:41,000 {\an2}about me... 718 01:13:41,501 --> 01:13:43,503 {\an2}like, get well... 719 01:13:43,586 --> 01:13:46,089 {\an2}She has checks that people sent. 720 01:13:46,256 --> 01:13:47,507 {\an2}But she never cashed. 721 01:13:48,216 --> 01:13:54,430 {\an2}But they were small checks, like ten dollars, five dollars she has. 722 01:13:54,514 --> 01:13:56,975 {\an2}People supported us a lot. 723 01:13:57,934 --> 01:13:59,227 {\an2}We appreciate that. 724 01:13:59,519 --> 01:14:00,937 {\an2}I read every card. 725 01:14:05,984 --> 01:14:07,110 {\an2}Why? 726 01:14:07,902 --> 01:14:09,153 {\an2}What were you thinking? 727 01:19:00,236 --> 01:19:03,198 {\an2}We'd always ride our bikes all over San Ysidro at the time. 728 01:19:03,323 --> 01:19:05,116 {\an2}It's back when you can do that. 729 01:19:07,619 --> 01:19:10,872 {\an2}So we get on our bikes and ride, mostly we did that after school. 730 01:19:13,458 --> 01:19:17,587 {\an2}I came back from work at 5:00 or 5:30, I didn't know anything about it. 731 01:19:17,712 --> 01:19:21,716 {\an2}They said, "did you hear about San Ysidro", I turned on and I was in total shock. 732 01:19:21,841 --> 01:19:25,512 {\an2}I was glued to the television, about an hour or so later... 733 01:19:25,803 --> 01:19:28,097 {\an2}the principle called just heard about Omarr. 734 01:19:29,182 --> 01:19:33,186 {\an2}All kinds of feelings that made my mind through, my goodness, feeling guilty... 735 01:19:33,311 --> 01:19:35,939 {\an2}I can't sit in here like they're alive... 736 01:19:36,064 --> 01:19:38,149 {\an2}so I did go right down the next morning... 737 01:19:38,233 --> 01:19:42,028 {\an2}just saying sorry to his mom, I just felt I had to, I couldn't stay at home. 738 01:21:21,836 --> 01:21:27,550 {\an2}A lot of people told me that the shooter hated Mexican people, what do you think of that? 739 01:22:06,214 --> 01:22:07,257 {\an2}It was our 9/11. 740 01:22:08,216 --> 01:22:13,680 {\an2}I remember the days after, people were stunned and shocked. 741 01:22:13,805 --> 01:22:16,391 {\an2}We treated each other more respectfully. 742 01:22:16,766 --> 01:22:21,312 {\an2}Everybody held doors for each other, people merge on the roads. 743 01:22:21,521 --> 01:22:26,901 {\an2}I think the Southwestern College perhaps was a little bit of redemption for our community. 744 01:22:27,026 --> 01:22:32,323 {\an2}People maybe turn a horrific thing into something positive. 745 01:22:34,784 --> 01:22:39,706 {\an2}I had something inside of me that was telling me... 746 01:22:40,415 --> 01:22:42,542 {\an2}Many times, I had premonition of that... 747 01:22:43,209 --> 01:22:44,711 {\an2}many times I would... 748 01:22:45,378 --> 01:22:47,130 {\an2}wonder what my brother did... 749 01:22:47,881 --> 01:22:48,965 {\an2}and I would. 750 01:22:49,215 --> 01:22:52,677 {\an2}And I would go to his bed and sleep next to him. 751 01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:55,680 {\an2}and he would wake up. 752 01:22:56,222 --> 01:22:58,766 {\an2}he would say, "Hey, what are you doing in my bed?" 753 01:22:58,892 --> 01:23:00,602 {\an2}Honestly, I was ready for it. 754 01:23:01,853 --> 01:23:03,605 {\an2}I'm scared of those premonition now. 755 01:23:04,022 --> 01:23:05,273 {\an2}I would just hold him... 756 01:23:05,607 --> 01:23:06,649 {\an2}hold him... 757 01:23:06,816 --> 01:23:08,193 {\an2}when he was sleeping... 758 01:23:08,359 --> 01:23:09,652 {\an2}so he wouldn't wake up. 759 01:23:10,737 --> 01:23:13,948 {\an2}So when it did happen, mentally I was ready. 760 01:23:14,324 --> 01:23:17,994 {\an2}But yeah, we've spoken in our dreams, in my dreams as well as in his... 761 01:23:18,119 --> 01:23:21,039 {\an2}he's okay, he's with my uncle and my grandparents... 762 01:23:21,414 --> 01:23:22,707 {\an2}saying it's good. 763 01:23:23,374 --> 01:23:26,002 {\an2}you've not come here yet, you will eventually, but... 764 01:23:26,127 --> 01:23:27,754 {\an2}save me a spot in Heaven. 765 01:23:34,135 --> 01:23:39,641 {\an2}Every time I step on the campus, I remember the day that I was sitting in my living room... 766 01:23:40,099 --> 01:23:44,395 {\an2}watching the events of this attack unfold. 767 01:23:44,854 --> 01:23:51,444 {\an2}What I have to do is push myself through these doors up into that classroom... 768 01:23:52,445 --> 01:23:59,202 {\an2}into that forum where I can hopefully turn that sentiment into a positivity. 769 01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:12,340 {\an2}Before the incident, I was a good kid. 770 01:24:12,423 --> 01:24:17,762 {\an2}I was happy, and afterward, I was a different kid. 771 01:24:18,221 --> 01:24:22,267 {\an2}You know, I didn't want to hang out with my friends any more. 772 01:24:22,392 --> 01:24:25,186 {\an2}I became very aggressive. 773 01:24:35,738 --> 01:24:38,700 {\an2}I was very unhappy and carried guilt. 774 01:24:40,577 --> 01:24:43,663 {\an2}I didn't realize it, but I carry guilt. 775 01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:49,502 {\an2}Ronald Carrio're also critically hurt from this was taken to the trauma center... 776 01:24:49,586 --> 01:24:50,837 {\an2}for initial evaluation. 777 01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:13,193 {\an2}I think about what he would be like today... 778 01:25:13,276 --> 01:25:15,737 {\an2}and what our relationship would be like today. 779 01:25:16,154 --> 01:25:20,450 {\an2}Matteo was a lot like Blyth and Ron... 780 01:25:20,575 --> 01:25:23,745 {\an2}in fact, he was just gentle and kind. 781 01:25:24,454 --> 01:25:25,914 {\an2}He was a really good artist. 782 01:25:26,414 --> 01:25:29,083 {\an2}We just had this connection. 783 01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:32,712 {\an2}We love the same things, we lover Star Wars. 784 01:25:33,171 --> 01:25:38,718 {\an2}We loved music. I used to be just mesmerized by his ability to draw. 785 01:25:40,595 --> 01:25:44,307 {\an2}People would say, "God, it was ready to take him home"... 786 01:25:45,308 --> 01:25:50,313 {\an2}I love god, I trust god, but I don't always understand God. 787 01:25:50,772 --> 01:25:52,815 {\an2}I don't really understand what happened. 788 01:25:53,900 --> 01:25:55,276 {\an2}And why they are gone. 789 01:26:00,698 --> 01:26:02,867 {\an2}No, no. 790 01:26:03,660 --> 01:26:07,038 {\an2}I wouldn't be able to live. When I used to think about it everyday... 791 01:26:07,121 --> 01:26:08,540 {\an2}it hindered my entire life. 792 01:26:09,165 --> 01:26:12,377 {\an2}What I saw, where I went, how I acted and everything... 793 01:26:12,794 --> 01:26:15,380 {\an2}it was all around that, like my safety. 794 01:26:15,463 --> 01:26:22,387 {\an2}I was so intimidated by loud noises or abrupt people or screaming crowds... 795 01:26:22,679 --> 01:26:27,100 {\an2}just so many ways that it gets you. 796 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,522 {\an2}My name is Adriana Wright, I lost my sister at the San Ysidro Massacre... 797 01:26:32,605 --> 01:26:35,608 {\an2}Jackie Reyes and my nephew Carlos. 798 01:26:35,608 --> 01:26:38,111 {\an2}Jackie was 18 and Carlos was eight months. 799 01:26:39,487 --> 01:26:43,074 {\an2}I think it was just a month before she had just bathtubbed Carlos... 800 01:26:43,116 --> 01:26:45,118 {\an2}she probably would have had 12 kids... 801 01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:46,452 {\an2}because Jackie love kids. 802 01:26:46,661 --> 01:26:52,208 {\an2}Jackie was full of life. Jackie wanted more kids and that was her main intention. 803 01:26:52,208 --> 01:26:55,545 {\an2}Carlos, we put him in his little suit of baptism. 804 01:26:56,087 --> 01:27:00,967 {\an2}Jackie, we were gonna dress her in her pink dress she had, but we couldn't... 805 01:27:01,092 --> 01:27:05,763 {\an2}because she was all destroyed, she had no more neck or anything... 806 01:27:10,059 --> 01:27:15,648 {\an2}The baby looked like he was asleep, so we were wondering if he was dead or not... 807 01:27:15,773 --> 01:27:19,027 {\an2}because we would hold him from his right hand and it was cold. 808 01:27:19,027 --> 01:27:20,820 {\an2}But his left hand was really warm... 809 01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:23,031 {\an2}because he received one bullet in his heart. 810 01:27:29,537 --> 01:27:33,541 {\an2}I never knew Jackie had gotten so many bullets, I knew she protected my niece... 811 01:27:33,625 --> 01:27:39,255 {\an2}All I know is that she was doing what her instincts were to protect... 812 01:27:39,547 --> 01:27:41,549 {\an2}like she was protecting her child too... 813 01:27:42,425 --> 01:27:45,011 {\an2}but with so many bullets... 814 01:27:45,553 --> 01:27:47,430 {\an2}she lost the strength. 815 01:27:54,145 --> 01:27:57,732 {\an2}Imelda, too, she was holding her little sister... 816 01:27:57,899 --> 01:28:00,902 {\an2}her little sister's head exploded in her arms. 817 01:28:02,153 --> 01:28:04,822 {\an2}But she prayed a lot for God to give her strength. 818 01:28:13,164 --> 01:28:17,544 {\an2}That I know she is my angel, I know she's with me. 819 01:28:18,044 --> 01:28:20,839 {\an2}Even though I can't see her, I know she's here with me. 820 01:28:20,922 --> 01:28:25,927 {\an2}I can feel her. It's hard to explain, but I know she's with me. 821 01:28:33,643 --> 01:28:39,274 {\an2}Because of the physical location of southern division and San Ysidro... 822 01:28:39,607 --> 01:28:41,317 {\an2}compare to the rest of the city... 823 01:28:41,401 --> 01:28:46,281 {\an2}there was a time delay in getting a lot of the officers here... 824 01:28:46,364 --> 01:28:53,329 {\an2}within the first 19 minutes containment, which means we got it surrounded... 825 01:28:53,413 --> 01:28:58,001 {\an2}we were controlling the situation inside the restaurant. 826 01:28:58,418 --> 01:29:03,673 {\an2}Within 19 minutes, that was accomplished with officers' present, okay? 827 01:29:03,673 --> 01:29:06,885 {\an2}The people, by the time you guys got there, you guys shot him... 828 01:29:06,968 --> 01:29:08,761 {\an2}you guys went in to try to save her. 829 01:29:08,845 --> 01:29:13,057 {\an2}They were all bled to death, because the people that did survive, they came to us... 830 01:29:13,141 --> 01:29:16,227 {\an2}they told us they were still alive but they were bled to death. 831 01:29:16,311 --> 01:29:19,314 {\an2}You can bleed to death in seconds or minutes or hours... 832 01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,649 {\an2}it depends on the wounds and the injuries... 833 01:29:21,733 --> 01:29:26,404 {\an2}The people that have survived obviously were able to do that and still bleed. 834 01:29:26,696 --> 01:29:29,616 {\an2}But I think that if they would have been there sooner... 835 01:29:29,699 --> 01:29:32,660 {\an2}or if they would've gone in sooner, or killed him sooner... 836 01:29:32,827 --> 01:29:34,996 {\an2}then people would've survived. 837 01:29:35,163 --> 01:29:37,957 {\an2}I disagree with it, under the circumstances of this... 838 01:29:38,041 --> 01:29:40,835 {\an2}the officers didn't know how many people were in there... 839 01:29:40,919 --> 01:29:42,754 {\an2}and how many people were shooting... 840 01:29:42,837 --> 01:29:45,465 {\an2}because I heard three separate weapons being fired. 841 01:29:46,299 --> 01:29:52,388 {\an2}They didn't know they were dealing with one suspect at the time. 842 01:29:52,931 --> 01:29:56,643 {\an2}Questions always come up were why didn't we put gas in there... 843 01:29:57,018 --> 01:30:01,147 {\an2}what would happen if you threw a tear gas grenade in... 844 01:30:01,231 --> 01:30:05,151 {\an2}with a bunch of people that were still alive, and there's victims... 845 01:30:06,694 --> 01:30:08,905 {\an2}probably would be in total panic... 846 01:30:08,988 --> 01:30:10,615 {\an2}probably jump up and run around. 847 01:30:10,657 --> 01:30:13,493 {\an2}They would end up as additional victims... 848 01:30:13,618 --> 01:30:18,331 {\an2}because they would be putting themselves in harmed way. 849 01:30:20,875 --> 01:30:23,002 {\an2}I've learned that time doesn't stop. 850 01:30:23,211 --> 01:30:28,132 {\an2}Because if you don't keep moving and you don't keep healing... 851 01:30:28,675 --> 01:30:33,429 {\an2}you're always gonna be bitter, you're always gonna be upset, you're always gonna try to hide. 852 01:30:33,513 --> 01:30:34,556 {\an2}And I'm not. 853 01:30:34,764 --> 01:30:37,308 {\an2}I have to move forward. 854 01:30:37,392 --> 01:30:40,353 {\an2}And I have to value things now differently... 855 01:30:40,979 --> 01:30:42,939 {\an2}and move on, move on with my life. 856 01:30:47,235 --> 01:30:50,488 {\an2}I only think about it when someone else brings it up. 857 01:30:51,364 --> 01:30:56,160 {\an2}My youngest daughter found some information relating to it in my book case... 858 01:30:56,244 --> 01:30:59,038 {\an2}and asked me about it about a month ago. 859 01:30:59,122 --> 01:31:01,833 {\an2}And I probably hadn't thought about it for years since. 860 01:31:13,011 --> 01:31:14,762 {\an2}Do I feel I got away with something? 861 01:31:32,363 --> 01:31:36,284 {\an2}No, I think the police department did the best job they possibly could... 862 01:31:36,367 --> 01:31:37,785 {\an2}given the circumstances. 863 01:31:41,789 --> 01:31:44,667 {\an2}The SWAT team and the police showed great guts that day. 864 01:31:46,794 --> 01:31:51,799 {\an2}They were under fire constantly, they didn't indiscriminately start sprang the building... 865 01:31:52,258 --> 01:31:54,427 {\an2}which would be then stinged a lot of people. 866 01:31:54,552 --> 01:31:58,181 {\an2}They withheld their fire five rounds that were fired by police officers... 867 01:31:58,306 --> 01:32:01,100 {\an2}none of them injured anybody. 868 01:32:21,412 --> 01:32:24,791 {\an2}I'll tell you how you look at it, bad shit happens and that's it. 869 01:32:25,834 --> 01:32:28,002 {\an2}And there's not always a normal reason... 870 01:32:28,086 --> 01:32:31,089 {\an2}you do the best you possible can under the circumstances... 871 01:32:31,297 --> 01:32:33,132 {\an2}and you feel bad for survivors. 872 01:32:43,685 --> 01:32:46,354 {\an2}I would just give them the advice that... 873 01:32:50,066 --> 01:32:52,819 {\an2}give your troubles to God. 874 01:32:55,196 --> 01:33:00,368 {\an2}And he will help you get through it, he'll always give you more than you can take. 875 01:33:01,786 --> 01:33:02,787 {\an2}I know that. 876 01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,003 {\an2}I'm sorry. 877 01:33:11,796 --> 01:33:12,839 {\an2}I couldn't help. 82337