All language subtitles for Lucy Letby Murder or Mistake S1E1

If you're a doctor called to see a baby who's not very well at birth, not moving, not breathing,

and within a few minutes of resuscitation you hear this very annoyed cry.

It's brilliant, and eventually they go home and when they return for a routine review,

now being well developed, two big eyes, big smile, that's very, very satisfying.

Most babies who receive care in a neonatal unit not only survive, but survive and become healthy adults.

Nursing staff in neonatal units are crucial. You rely on your nurses completely.

What Lucy Lethby did is beyond understanding. It's utterly, incredibly shocking.

Is she evil?

Yes, she's evil. And I have no idea why anyone thinks that she's anything but guilty.

It's just a message of fear.

It appears as if she's left in an illness.

It's a message. It's a message.

You know, when I first went to see her, on my first visit, she was very wary of me.

She doesn't know who I am.

Why is it you're here?

She wanted to know.

Why me? To which I said, because I believe you're innocent, and she started to cry.

Our criminal justice system has failed, has fundamentally failed.

She's not innocent.

The evidence was compelling, overwhelming, consistent.

I'm astonished with what her current barrister is doing.

I think it's been absolutely disgraceful.

Behind these children are parents that are suffering.

And what they will want, I am sure, at the end of the day, is the truth.

The truth is the truth.

The box I hate.

The box is normally shoved in a cupboard.

The box just gives you a horrible feeling in your stomach.

We cried, didn't we, when we heard the verdict,

because it was the verdict that we wanted.

So we thought that she would get punished for what she'd done

and we were able to then move on.

But obviously it's not really worked like that.

It's hard because obviously it's on the news and the radio most days.

Even now?

Even now.

Yeah.

I'm Commandant Sheborn and Brad.

I'm Camarlandshire born and bred.

My parents had a dairy farm just five miles away from where I now live.

If you look back to the 1970s, the care of premature babies was very, very limited.

So I set about developing a newborn service more or less from scratch.

So I've got over 30 years of hands-on experience looking after sick babies.

I heard about concerns regarding deaths of babies in Chester by chance from a Sunday newspaper.

By that time, I'd prepared dozens of reports for police authorities as an expert witness.

And on this particular occasion, I was exchanging emails about a completely unrelated case.

And I sort of added and said, by the way, I've heard about this case where there are concerns regarding babies dying.

And just added, it sounds like my kind of case.

When I first met Chester police, they didn't know, nor did I, that they were investigating a crime at that time.

They were just looking at a number of deaths on a year in Italy.

There was a need for somebody from my background to find out what had led to these babies dying.

So I said, let's look at a window of two years, 2015 and 2016, get me the clinical notes.

I wanted to see all of them.

What I discovered was that there were events where a baby would suddenly collapse, with most failing to respond to resuscitation.

So all of this was very, very peculiar because babies on neonatal units don't suddenly deteriorate and die.

It just doesn't happen suddenly.

I identified a time and a date where there's somebody hurting these babies.

This is not some sort of accident.

This is not incompetence.

Something deliberate has happened here.

Intentional harm.

What I said to the police was that they should look at the shift systems

and find out who's on duty for all of these collapses.

And in looking at all of these cases, all of these events occurred when these babies were in the care

of one particular nurse, quite often in the sole care of one particular nurse.

Hello Lucy, is it?

Yeah.

Hello, it's mine from Chesterfield.

So I did step in two seconds.

Oh yes.

Yeah, thank you.

So you're probably in the back seat over here.

At the beginning, we didn't know that much about her, but we knew, you know,

she was this blonde-haired, blue-eyed, pretty nurse that was the face of the hospital's fundraising campaign.

There was nothing unusual about her.

She was kind of this typical girl next door, I suppose.

Everyone was shocked.

I really don't think people could quite believe that a nurse could be responsible for something so horrendous.

Within the space of a year, unusually, 15 babies died on the neonatal unit.

And doctors noticed a common factor, Lucy Letby.

The nurse had been on shift for all of the unexplained collapses.

They told me that there would be a lot more deaths and that I've been linked to somebody that's there for a lot of them.

Did you have any concerns that there was a rise in the mortality rate?

Yes.

OK, so tell me about that. What concerns did you have?

Lucy Letby was born in Hereford, grew up there, went to school there, had dreams of becoming a child nurse.

She had been working at the hospital since graduating from the University of Chester.

She would go on holiday with friends that she worked with, attended salsa dance classes.

All these things sound very normal. They don't sound like someone who was able to carry out such heinous crimes.

Searches of her home in Chester and her parents' house in Hereford uncovered patient records and handwritten notes

in which she says, I am evil. I did this.

I don't deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I am not good enough. I am a horrible person.

Dr Dowie Evans was the lead prosecution expert. It was his job to explain to the jury how these babies came to be murdered by Lucy Letby.

She poisoned some with insulin, some she injected with excessive air, and others she simply physically assaulted.

Her denials kept coming.

I was in court as Lucy Letby gave evidence. She said all of this was a conspiracy against her, that she did nothing wrong.

We can now report that Lucy Letby has been found guilty of the murder of seven babies.

Do you feel as though justice has been served?

Yes, I do. Yes, I do.

Lucy Letby has now exhausted all her attempts to overturn these convictions.

So she's now facing 15 life orders in prison.

She will die in prison.

You know, I grew up in a very rough council estate in Birmingham.

I saw on a daily basis injustice.

I started working on miscarriage justice cases actually when I was at university.

And I wanted to help those who have been wrongly convicted of crimes.

I wasn't always a criminal defence barrister. I spent 14 years in the National Health Service working as an operating theatre assistant.

So my whole background has been NHS and an understanding of the difficulties of working under pressure with lack of resources.

I have a client that says, I have a client that says that they're innocent.

I have a conviction for murder.

If they are innocent, then something went wrong.

During the trial, the tsunami of media attention on her, of guilt, it all came from a specific perspective.

And that perspective was all very one sided.

I need to turn that around.

I need to change the narrative.

Hi there.

Hi.

How's it doing, Miss?

We'll now let these planning a fresh appeal.

I'm joined by Mark McDonald, her new barrister.

Mark, thank you so much for joining us.

Look, she was convicted in two separate trials in the last year, wasn't she?

Is there really a strong case here that she's innocent?

Absolutely, there is.

I'm right at the start of this process.

There are thousands of pages I need to read and get my head around.

This is the Lucy Letby story.

And certainly, this story really doesn't seem to be going away, Owen, does it?

No, it really doesn't.

It just seems to me that if you write down, I did it, I'm an evil person, that you're pretty much,

I mean, Lucy Letby is sort of pretty much buying the rights here.

Can I ask you finally, Mark McDonald, this is the first time some of these families are speaking publicly.

And this article starts with them saying, we want to say, shame on you all.

That's the message from those who are calling for the release of Lucy Letby.

Lucy was convicted of seven counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder.

It's always a pattern in these cases and that pattern is that nurse is on duty.

Then you have a number of unexplained deaths.

And then in hindsight, it's always because that nurse did something.

It's happened a number of times.

There are four nurses currently in prison serving life for this type of event.

Being armed and having the knowledge that I have of the nurse cases,

from the moment she was arrested, I knew how it was going to play out.

I could have written the prosecution's speech.

It was textbook.

I start right back from the beginning.

Right back as if Lucy had just been arrested and she knocked on my door and she said, help me.

I'm going to try and focus on six areas.

So we know that she's been convicted and just recently her appeals have failed in the Court of Appeal.

So there's only one option.

The Criminal Cases Review Commission.

This is a body set up to see whether or not the matter should be sent back to the Court of Appeal based upon new evidence.

So that's the body I've got to deal with.

That's what I've got to do.

I've got to make an application based upon anything I can discover from going through these six main points.

That's really my main focus of attention.

If you're going to the Criminal Cases Review Commission, public pressure around a conviction

will play upon the mind of those people.

It will.

Inevitably so.

Now, you don't overturn a conviction because there's an article in the Times about it.

The only way to overturn this conviction is to not just question the evidence that was put before the jury,

but demolish it.

I've been involved in court cases for over 30 years.

And where my report was supportive of the prosecution, I've not lost a case.

So, on the whole, I think my track record is very satisfactory.

People seem to have forgotten that the victims are the babies.

The victims are the families.

The only people that know is our close friends and family.

We've never gone public at all.

It's nice to be able to tell our story because so many people have an opinion,

but they weren't actually there and they didn't deal with her.

Our son was born in the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2015.

He was full-time and healthy.

He'd been healthy all the way through the pregnancy, up to that point.

He was taken away somewhere.

They just said, oh, it's okay.

He just needs a little bit of help breathing.

We were taken back to the room where I'd been in labour and we were just left there on our own,

not really knowing what was going on.

We were obviously worried when we were there a couple of hours, wasn't we?

It seemed to last forever, didn't it?

Then a nurse came in with the box.

She came straight up to us.

I didn't really see her.

I just saw the box and I burst into tears.

I remember saying to her something like, oh my God, is he dead?

And she just laughed.

She was laughing when she thought that we thought the worst had happened.

And she said, no, we just give these boxes out to all the parents of babies who've been really poorly.

When she offered to take us to go and see him, Dr Breary was there.

And he just explained that he didn't know what was really the issue.

Three times he'd been resuscitated.

They couldn't explain why.

I was very upset. I was frightened.

I just felt confused and just didn't make any sense.

Dr Breary told us that he felt that with his condition, our son would be better cared for

if he was sent to Liverpool Women's Hospital.

Personally, I think he would have stayed at Chester. I think he'd have died.

That decision is what saved him, I think.

Yeah, and we'll always be grateful to that doctor for that, won't we?

Mm-hmm.

So away from Chester, we picked up really quickly and then we were sent back home again.

It was only when we saw her face in the newspaper later on that we both recognised her straight away.

And the nurse that gave us the box was Lucy Latbey.

A lot of people ask me whether I think she's guilty or not.

And I said the honest answer is I don't know.

I just don't think she had a fair trial.

I'm Dr Phil Hammond. I was an NHS doctor for 35 years.

And alongside that, throughout my career, I've worked as an investigative journalist for Private Eye.

The first big story I covered was the Bristol Heart scandal, which at the time morphed into the

largest public inquiry in British history.

I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the trial of Lucy Latbey, but when the verdict came out,

I initially wrote a column supporting it.

And then my inbox filled up with emails from really eminent people,

including some of the most senior people in these fields, saying,

actually, no, I think you're wrong.

And that really started to worry me, so that's when I stopped sleeping.

I knew it was going to be tough and difficult, but there was no alternative other than to investigate.

The bottom line for me is, does the evidence stack up?

This is the trial of Lucy Latbey.

Today we'll be bringing you everything that happened.

In the end, the jury decided that Lucy Latbey was guilty.

But I think all of us that were sat there in that courtroom

understood why they'd come to that decision.

It was multiple strands of evidence.

The medical evidence was obviously important,

but there was lots of different pieces of the jigsaw that came together.

One of the most incriminating pieces of evidence was the green post-it note

on which she'd written,

I am evil. I did this.

And I killed them on purpose.

I think the police couldn't quite believe it, that they'd found something so significant

when they'd raided her house.

I think the confession notes matter.

And I think they were highly convincing to the jury.

What the jury didn't hear is that she was encouraged to write them by her counsellor.

It's all the difficult emotions and feelings going to your mind.

I want you to write them down.

She also wrote slander, discrimination, why me?

I haven't done anything wrong.

It was a counselling exercise.

The police uncovered 250 handover notes,

most of which were in a bag under her bed.

Those notes are supposed to go in the confidential waste bin.

They aren't ever supposed to go home with staff.

The prosecution said this was evidence that Lucy Letby was keeping trophies of her crimes.

Loads of nurses have said to me that they commonly take handover notes home with them by mistake.

They've got them there and it just happens because you're so busy at the end of the day.

They discovered that she'd done hundreds and hundreds of Facebook searches,

often for the parents of the babies that she murdered and harmed.

Some of the searches took place at very odd times, late on Christmas Day.

The nurse who I interviewed said, yeah, we do Facebook searches.

We keep in touch with people.

It's only seen as suspicious through the context of someone you think is a mass murderer.

So after a trial lasting for over 10 months and more than 110 hours of painstaking deliberation,

it was the sum total.

You can't take one piece of evidence and say that proves she's innocent or guilty.

It was almost entirely circumstantial.

It was a very proficient and aggressive prosecution case.

But when you actually said, where's the evidence?

It just wasn't there.

It's right, isn't it, not to say, as many people have said, that the health of many of these babies was very poor.

Um, and that many, um, and that many, and that many, that, you see, that is, that is incorrect.

That is incorrect.

I've been involved in that.

Well, well, they were in a high dependency unit, weren't they?

At the time, none of these deaths were seen to be deliberate actions.

There were a number of post-mortems on the babies that found that they had died of natural causes.

And once the police got involved, they contact a senior coroner.

She goes back and she says, there's nothing suspicious here.

But they don't listen to that.

And they carry on with the investigation.

Then, fallen into their lap, appears Dr. Darry Evans.

Dr. Darry Evans jumps in a car, drives up to the police station.

They give him a set of notes of one of the patients to which Lucy Letby had been looking after.

And he says, within 10 minutes, I knew that deliberate harm had been caused to this baby.

There were other medical experts in this case for the prosecution.

And there was a neonatologist called.

She was only brought in to peer review what Darry Evans had said.

He's the one that was there right at the beginning.

That the whole thing rests upon him.

If he is wrong, then like a pack of cards, the whole case falls apart.

Since the trial, I can't find another neonatal expert who's prepared to back up his ideas.

Find me one.

I've said to Darry Evans, you must know people who prepare to back you up.

He said, oh, I'm out of touch with everyone now.

I can't find anyone.

That's extraordinary to me.

At the trial of Lucy Letby, the question was, did she do it?

Now, the start of the public inquiry.

Set up to answer different questions about what happened at this hospital.

But with growing speculation about this case in recent weeks,

with more questions about the verdicts,

the chair of the inquiry began this morning by saying this.

In the months since the Court of Appeal handed down its judgment,

there has been a huge outpouring of comment from a variety of quarters

on the validity of the convictions.

So far as I'm aware, it has come entirely from people who were not at the trial.

I think the inquiry is looking at all events leading up to the deaths of these babies.

It's not looking at whether Lucy Letby is guilty or not.

That's been agreed in a court, so there's no question about her guilt.

What is astonishing is the noise from people who feel that they can make outrageous comments

comments through scientific papers such as Private Eye.

The most hysterical support for Lucy Letby has come from the great metropolitan elite,

which people who have been told, or what I call them, God's most entitled.

In Wales, you know, we've been told for the past 700 years,

you know, that we're not good enough.

Ever since the Lucy Letby case came up on my radar, I haven't really slept.

I'm thinking about it every single night.

I'm waking up in the middle of the night thinking, have we got this right?

Are we going wrong?

I think what worries me most about this is, you know, hundreds of babies die avoidably

in the UK, in the NHS, every year because they don't get superb care.

And Chester clearly had problems with staffing.

In the middle of the deaths, one of the consultants wrote to the manager and said,

we're seriously understaffed, we don't have enough incubators, the whole thing's fallen to pieces.

And if you don't sort it out, babies are going to keep dying.

There was clearly serious problems.

So if there are plausible alternative explanations to this that aren't murder, such as suboptimal

care, and Mark McDonnell can show that in a few cases, then all of the cases may fall.

I think it would be good to do it face to face with him.

I've now been approached by two neonatologists.

Both of them seem to be incredibly experienced, and both of them are willing to help.

They've got access to the medical records, and they are working on it.

I've been working as a consultant in a tertiary neonatal unit for just over 25 years now.

My role as a medical expert witness is to go through the evidence in detail, and to try to reveal the truth of what has happened to these babies.

The first report that we looked at was on baby O.

Today, in this episode, we're focusing on the 15th baby in the case,

who the prosecution say Lucy let be murdered during her first shift back at work,

after her holiday to Ibiza at the end of June 2016.

Baby O was a baby that was one of three identical triplets,

and when Lucy let be came on to shift, there were no concerns about baby O's health,

but a few hours later, he collapsed and started to deteriorate.

He then collapsed a second time, and then passed away.

The doctors could find no medical explanation for this,

other than Lucy let be was around at the time of his collapse.

I saw pictures of the autopsy.

There were incredible abnormalities in the liver.

The pathology opinion was that the liver abnormalities were so severe

that they looked like what you'd get in a road traffic accident.

I had concluded that this baby had suffered from trauma to the liver,

but as well as that, this baby was the victim of air injected into the bloodstream.

You've both put together a joint report on baby O.

And for the purpose of this discussion,

baby O is the one said by the prosecution

that Lucy let be somehow damaged the liver by some blunt trauma.

Is there a reason for his collapse?

I think the overall conclusion that we came to is that there are justifiable medical explanations

which led to the collapse of baby O and the first signs of a change happened around about midnight.

We can see in those charts changes in temperature, changes in heart rate

and some gradual increase in abdominal distention that was noticed by the nursing staff.

He had two medical reviews and neither picked up on the changes.

This had happened overnight.

I mean, is that surprising? Is that something that you would expect?

I think that's not desirable.

It should have been picked up.

It should have been picked up.

Yes.

Yes.

It was then at 2.40...

I can see there was the emergency call.

Why do you think this trial did not respond to the resuscitation?

I was instantly struck by the use of these extreme high ventilator pressures.

During the resuscitation?

During the resuscitation.

It meant that the lungs were pushing right down on the diaphragm

At a late point in the resuscitation, one of the consultants who was there

decided to put a needle into the abdomen to decompress it.

Would that have been a cause of action you would have chosen to have done?

Absolutely not.

So the most likely consequence of that is that as you put the needle in,

there would be some bleeding and you would cause damage to the liver.

This cannula insertion into the liver have caused that amount of bleeding.

Yes, we believe there is good evidence to suggest that it did so.

Without a doubt, this is not a query.

This is what happened.

It is obvious.

Okay.

All right.

Well, thank you for that.

That's very helpful.

I think it's now my turn to get this to the Criminal Cases Review Commissioners as soon as I can.

I have never read a more detailed report than the report that they repaid.

The two experts say that no crime was committed.

If they are all right, then Lucy Letby did not harm his child.

When Lucy Letby came in and gave me the box, I opened it.

There's a wrist strap.

There's a baby hat.

There's a blanket.

There's a blanket.

And then we had the notepad, which she told me, oh, you can keep that as a diary.

I think if something like the box would be given later on or after we'd seen him or after they'd explained something,

it might have been different, but at that point in time, to come in and laugh, it's just not normal, is it?

I just think he's done something.

Obviously, there's no concrete evidence.

We don't have a magic ball that we can go back and look at, but it's just too much.

He was fine when he was smaller, wasn't he?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It wasn't until he was about five years old when we started having serious issues with him.

He is delayed at school by about two years from where he should be.

He still can't write very well.

And he's had really bad seizures where they've not stopped for 15, 20 minutes.

The first one was horrific, wasn't it?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, just come out of nowhere, didn't it?

Occasionally, he'll ask us, if he has a fit, will he die?

And that, I find, the most scary thing.

All weekend, he kept saying to me, I wish I was normal.

I wish I was normal.

And it's so sad, because I keep trying to say to him, well, you are normal for you.

Like, we love you how you are.

But he just wants to be like everyone else.

The day that she was given a sentence, obviously, it was all over the news.

He'd seen it on the telly.

And he saw our reactions.

Yeah.

And obviously he wanted to know why Mummy and Daddy were upset.

He was always crying, wasn't he?

Mm.

And he was asking, he was saying, is that who I think it is?

He said, that's the nurse, isn't it?

That's the naughty nurse that tried to kill me.

She's not guilty.

You're sure of that?

Yes.

Yes.

Listen, I'm working night and day on this case.

If I thought for the moment that she was guilty, I wouldn't be doing this.

My argument is, and I now have expert evidence from leading neonatologists.

Well, let's have a look at it.

If they've got the evidence, publish it.

Send me a copy.

Let's see where we go to.

Yeah.

He's a barrister.

Well, it may be said by one expert, but I am other experts that have a completely contradictory view.

None of that argument regarding miscarriage of justice applies in any of these cases.

These were stable babies.

They were vulnerable babies because of their prematurity, but their prospects of survival was excellent.

Now, this is a kind of chart that was used in Chester to monitor a baby's well-being.

This one is for illustrative purposes only to avoid any difficulties with confidentiality.

It shows a heart rate, which is nice and normal.

All of these are indications of a baby being well, but despite all of this, what happened here?

Well, Lucy Letby arrived.

The little baby was assaulted, and he died as a consequence.

The babies that collapsed all had records similar to this.

Letby appears, and suddenly one has a baby who is on death's door.

When those believing in her guilt say, well, she was on duty for so many of these deaths,

the answer is, of course she was, because if she hadn't been, she couldn't have had the finger pointed at her.

My name is Peter Elston.

I've spent most of my career in the financial industry applying statistics as an investment manager for 35 or so years.

When it comes to these sorts of criminal cases, many of them can be appraised using statistics.

There were a lot more than just the seven deaths that Letby was being charged with.

There were 17 in total.

So what was going on there?

Was there another serial killer?

When the verdicts were announced, I wrote about it on my blog saying that

I think anybody can see from that roster chart with this uninterrupted line of X's.

That would have been extremely convincing.

But frankly, this was deeply, deeply flawed indeed,

and I don't think any statistician would give it any credence whatsoever.

The actual rota evidence that every time a baby died it was Lucy and only Lucy who was there,

is just plain wrong, because you only included the babies who died while she was there.

Statistics did not play a part in Letby's conviction.

Whilst statisticians said, well, what about the babies who died who are not on the spreadsheet?

And, of course, my answer was, well, their deaths were not suspicious.

You know, or there was an explanation for the deaths.

I suppose I found myself, after the trial, really at the centre of this network.

Statisticians, doctors, scientists.

Many of us are working quite closely with Mark McDonald, the lawyer.

Before the retrial, it became apparent that that swipe data was actually incorrect.

Have I been to see Lucy? No.

I think she knows that I exist.

I think she knows that there are a number of people who are working hard to get her out.

So, one of the members of this growing network is a computer scientist who's actually based in the US.

Hi there.

Hi, Stephen. Good to see you.

Hi, Peter. Good seeing you.

Stephen's been doing some really detailed research by reading through the transcripts,

looking into one particular case, the case of Baby C.

Maybe we should just go through this, Baby C, guys, because this is, like,

one of the most unbelievable things I've seen.

Lucy Letby wasn't the designated nurse for Baby C, but she was on duty,

and, in fact, she was around a lot of the time when he was sadly passing away.

The prosecution alleged that she injected air into his tummy via his feeding tube,

and this caused his tummy to inflate like a balloon and his diaphragm to splint,

which eventually caused him to suffocate.

Basically, what happened is they identified the attack that took place on Baby C

as taking place on the 12th of June.

All of the experts, like Dr. Evans, agreed that this attack took place on the 12th of June.

They developed a theory, and that theory revolved around an x-ray taken on the 12th of June,

and they said it had too much air, and the explanation was that it was an injection of air.

During the trial, they realized Letby wasn't there, and they're now saying the attack happened on the 13th.

Right. But they're still trying to take the evidence from the 12th.

Right.

But what is in evidence is sworn witness testimony saying she wasn't there.

Yes.

And at what point did the prosecution council realize that there was this mistake, do you think?

So the prosecution circulated a draft of their opening speech to the media before they gave it.

So in their draft, they said their radiologist identified this harm on the 12th.

But when they talked to the juries, when they actually gave the speech in the transcript, there's no mention of the day.

Yeah.

So they kept what the radiologist said, and just removed the day, because the day was wrong.

It's kind of, it's quite brazen, what they did there.

Well, you've uncovered something quite remarkable here. What, what do you plan to do with all this?

I've been working with a number of journalists. Hopefully it should make a splash.

Using this method. But during the trial, it transpired that Lucy Letby wasn't working on the 12th of June, when the X-ray was taken.

There's just been a really good Radio 4 documentary. It transpired that Lucy Letby wasn't on duty.

And it's possibly one of the reasons that the lead prosecution expert, Dr Dowie Evans, appears to have changed his mind.

And in my email exchange with him, he says he now believes that the babies were only destabilized by having air injected into the stomach and weren't killed.

Now, to me, that's really serious, because that means the jury was misdirected. They were told this was the cause of death and it was something else.

The thing I find extraordinary is that Dowie Evans is now saying he's only just finished the final report, well over a year after the trial ended.

So that suggests he still hasn't quite got to grips with the case, and there may be significant doubt as to how BBC died.

Dr Dowie Evans says he's drafted a new report. So out there is a new report from an expert who's changed his mind.

On a murder case, I have never known anything like this to happen.

They thought she was there. They made a mistake. She wasn't there.

She wasn't there.

Today is a bit of a game changer.

Mark McDonald managed to get the best experts in the world.

The report demolished the case against her.

People were speechless.

The families are devastated.

I could not believe what I read. They're hopeless.

They're hopeless.

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